1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Hello! 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,000 Hello! 3 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer. 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,000 My name is Kenna. 5 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:08,000 I'm Koelle. 6 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Kena, I like lost my breath when I said that. 7 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Kena! 8 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,000 It's me, Kena! 9 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,000 It's just me. 10 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,000 Hi, Kena! 11 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,000 What was it? 12 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,000 Kena Crystal Milk. 13 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Kena Crystal Milk! 14 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Kena Crystal Milk in the house! 15 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:45,000 I just hit my elbow really hard. 16 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:51,000 I hit the table at the same time. 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,000 How was everyone's Valentine's Day? 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,000 I didn't do anything at all. 19 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,000 It was good. 20 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,280 I told Kasey, I was like, okay, because we usually go out to dinner on the 15th, which 21 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,000 is actually the day that we're recording this, so I'm excited to go to dinner. 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,000 But we don't get gifts or anything. 23 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,320 And so yesterday we had come off of a five day, like we went out of town for the weekend 24 00:01:09,320 --> 00:01:11,000 and we had a bunch of stuff going on. 25 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,000 So yesterday I was like, I am physically going to sleep as much as I can. 26 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,000 And I slept, literally slept until like four. 27 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,000 I just laid in bed for the rest of the night. 28 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,400 And it was a very relaxing day. 29 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,000 I didn't do anything, but it's kind of nice to not do anything when you've done so much, 30 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,000 you know, the last couple of days. 31 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,000 That was cool. 32 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,000 And a little rest. 33 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,000 I'm all energized again. 34 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:36,000 Yeah, it was just, you know, it's kind of nice just to relax and not have to do much. 35 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,000 And I got to help my kiddo with all of his little goodie baggies. 36 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,000 We had the best Valentine's too. 37 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,000 I know. 38 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,000 So you got a lot of stuff? 39 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Yeah. 40 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Well, I don't know. 41 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,000 You know, he has his parents too. 42 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:54,000 So it was kind of like this collaboration and I had this idea about these rubber duckies. 43 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,000 And so I got a bunch of rubber duckies and then we did pencils and stamps and stickers and whatever. 44 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,000 And yeah, he had the best Valentine's out of all the kids. 45 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,000 I'm sure he did. 46 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,000 He's a pro. 47 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 As long as he's happy. 48 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Cool. 49 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:14,000 Well, just wanted to start off by saying really quick, like, thank you so much for everyone that's been continuously commenting. 50 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:19,000 We've gotten a lot of really nice Instagram comments and posts and I will go out, you know, mention them. 51 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:26,000 We've had some suggestions, but I'll mention them once we do those cases because I really am excited to research this one that was suggested to us. 52 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,000 So we're going to get to that at some point. 53 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:35,000 I'm definitely going to research it, but I definitely have a couple more in my pipeline that I've had research in my mind. 54 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,000 But yeah, I'm just like going for it. 55 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,000 I'm already like, I think the next five lined up in my mind of like what I want to do. 56 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,000 It's all in order. 57 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,000 I'm excited for a potential collaboration. 58 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,000 Yes. 59 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,000 That's coming up maybe in March. 60 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,000 Maybe. 61 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,000 We'll see. 62 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,000 Stay tuned. 63 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,000 Yeah, you'll have to listen for that. 64 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,000 We'll obviously make it known when that's happening, if and when. 65 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,000 Yeah, so we're going to get right into this episode today. 66 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:04,000 I did something really, really different and I always say that was always something different. 67 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,000 But the MO for this case is completely different than anything else we've ever done. 68 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,000 And this is actually a Canadian case too. 69 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,000 So I chose to do it outside of United States and then something different MO-wise. 70 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Before we do get started, just to let everyone know, this episode will contain graphic content having to do with alcohol abuse. 71 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,000 There is physical and sexual assault mentioned as well. 72 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Your mental health is extremely important to me and Ka'well. 73 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:33,000 And if this content is not something that you're comfortable listening to, by all means, please feel free to listen to another one of our episodes. 74 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,000 And we will see you next time. 75 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,000 But we're going to get right into this episode. 76 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Canadians, huh? 77 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,000 Milk and bags. 78 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Did you know that they have milk and bags? 79 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,000 I did know that. 80 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,000 And that's like, I mean, no offense to any of our Canadian listeners, but that's just odd to me. 81 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,000 I've never seen that before. 82 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:56,000 Is it just because maybe the plastic cartons maybe are more costly or they take up more room? 83 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000 I'm not sure why that is. 84 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Canadian listeners, let us know because I know we have listeners in Canada. 85 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,000 Yeah. 86 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:07,000 Okay, so we are going to get started and you definitely don't know this one. 87 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,000 I mean, hopefully you don't know this one. 88 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Okay. 89 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,000 Now we're going to be talking about Gilbert Paul Jordan. 90 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,000 I know this guy. 91 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,000 Shut up. 92 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,000 No, you don't. 93 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,000 You don't. 94 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,000 Shut up. 95 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,000 AKA The Boozing Barber. 96 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,000 What? 97 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,000 A Tweet Street? 98 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,000 The Boozing Barber. 99 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000 So that's his nickname. 100 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,000 Wow. 101 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,000 Yeah. 102 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,000 So, sorry, I know you don't know this. 103 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,000 I know you don't know this. 104 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:45,000 Now Gilbert Paul Elsie was born on December 12, 1931 in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada to Jack and Winifred Elsie. 105 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,000 Winifred. 106 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Oh, like, Hocus Pocus. 107 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,000 I guess. 108 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,000 I've never seen that movie. 109 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,000 I'm going to get so much hate for that. 110 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,000 I've never seen a lot of movies, apparently. 111 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,000 She's never even seen Titanic. 112 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,000 I have, actually. 113 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:03,000 I watched it for the first time probably like four or five months ago and I actually am really disappointed in myself because I loved it. 114 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:08,000 And I could watch it like over and over again and I'm sad that I waited until I was 27 to watch it. 115 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,000 It's a staple. 116 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,000 You know when it came out in the 90s, it came with two VHS tapes. 117 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000 Yeah, you had to change them. 118 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,000 I remember that. 119 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,000 Yeah, it faded. 120 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,000 And then I think it was right around the time that they were having sex in the car. 121 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,000 So it's like, okay, perfect time to like change the scene. 122 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,000 And then you would have to be like, change to tape too. 123 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Yeah. 124 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:33,000 Now Gilbert was the second of two children the couple shared, his older brother being Bud Gilbert. 125 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,000 Bud Gilbert. 126 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,000 Wait, isn't he the Boosie? 127 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,000 That's not his name? 128 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Oh, Bud Gilbert is because his brother's name is Gilbert. 129 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,000 His brother's name is Bud. 130 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,000 It's Gilbert Gilbert. 131 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Is his name Gilbert Gilbert? 132 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,000 His older brother is Bud Elsie. 133 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,000 I don't know if Bud Gilbert is a type of... 134 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Oh gosh, this is going swimmingly so far. 135 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,000 They're both alcoholics. 136 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:01,000 When the boys were young, their parents actually divorced and they were sent to live with their father. 137 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,000 How young? 138 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,000 It actually didn't say. 139 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,000 But pretty young, like before 10. 140 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,000 I see. 141 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,000 So it is known that the divorce was pretty amicable on both sides. 142 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,000 So they did live with their father full time, but they did split time with both their parents. 143 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,000 They saw their mom pretty often. 144 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:24,000 So Gilbert actually had a seemingly easygoing childhood, you know, with the comparison of other people we've talked about. 145 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Yeah, especially with split parents. 146 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Yeah, with no reports of trauma or abuse growing up. 147 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,000 Again, not to say they didn't happen, but there's just no reports of it. 148 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:39,000 He maintained a great relationship with his mother while living with his father and had a seemingly normal home life as well on both sides. 149 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Despite all of the quote unquote average things he was raised with, Gilbert was an abnormal child. 150 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,000 This is a quote. 151 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,000 He was very strange and often misunderstood. 152 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:55,000 The only thing that I can maybe think of is that his older brother got more like attention than he did, maybe? 153 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:03,000 It wasn't really clear why he was kind of like, you know, it's like two kids raised in the same household. 154 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,000 What's the difference in the way that they're, you know, feeling growing up? 155 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,000 Amy Bishop, yeah. 156 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,000 Yeah, exactly. 157 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,000 But he kind of just shut down. 158 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Like he wasn't really a very outgoing child, you know, kind of was in the background. 159 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:26,000 Throughout his childhood, he again kept to himself and it kind of seems like a lot of his internal thought was really doing a lot of damage in his own mind, but he wasn't outwardly expressing it. 160 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,000 So he was just kind of like holding everything in? 161 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Yeah. 162 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:36,000 He was, however, very interested in cutting hair, becoming a barber, and actually taught himself to do so in his free time. 163 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,000 At like the age of 13. 164 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,000 He began cutting hair. 165 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Cameron used to cut my hair when she, well, the first time she cut my hair was when she was like 12. 166 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Yeah, I remember. 167 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000 She was like, I'm really good. 168 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Yeah. 169 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,000 And I was like 16 and she knew how to do all the emo cuts. 170 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,000 You're like, let's go. 171 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:59,000 Well, also in his free time again at the young age of 13, Gilbert began to deal with his internal thoughts and feelings by consuming alcohol very heavily. 172 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,000 At what age? 173 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,000 13. 174 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,000 Oh my gosh. 175 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:07,000 And by the age of 16, he actually referred to himself as a full blown alcoholic. 176 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Allegedly during this time, he was drinking three bottles of vodka a day. 177 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,000 What? 178 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,000 I don't know if it was like a fifth or like a handle. 179 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,000 Only a fifth. 180 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Probably a fifth. 181 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,000 But still, that's a lot. 182 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,000 This is also the time that he dropped out of school and he did not return after this. 183 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,000 So he dropped out of school at 16. 184 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:31,000 Around this time as well, he was beginning to spend a lot of time with the sex work community and began a regular routine of doing so. 185 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,000 So he would hang, I'm sorry, so you said he was hanging out with the community. 186 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Would he like engage with like sex workers? 187 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Yeah, he just became like a regular of sorts. 188 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,000 Oh, I see. Okay. Just in the area and stuff too. 189 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,000 Yeah. Okay. 190 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:49,000 Starting in 1952, now he is now 21, he got in trouble with the law constantly. 191 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:58,000 He quickly racked up a lengthy criminal record with a number of serious charges including theft, assault, car theft, and possession of heroin. 192 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,000 Oh my gosh. 193 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,000 Escalates kind of quickly, right? 194 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,000 Yeah. 195 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,000 Well, I guess not. 196 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,000 He was 16. 197 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,000 Over the course of five years. 198 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,000 But still, he's still very young. 199 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,000 Yeah, absolutely. 200 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Now, of course, he's on his own completely now and he was also completely out of control with drinking, he would say. 201 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:20,000 He would consistently hang out with other people that he called alcoholics as well stating about them, quote, 202 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,000 sober people wouldn't go out with me, so I didn't have much of an option. 203 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,000 I didn't want to drink in my room all by myself. 204 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,000 So, Ms. Ray loves company. 205 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,000 He was trying to, yeah, he was just trying to fight because he didn't want to be sober. 206 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,000 So, he was like, let me just hang out with other people that don't want to be sober, right? 207 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,000 Yeah, we'll just drink together. 208 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,000 God, can you imagine the mess? 209 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:45,000 Because every once in a while, right, you go to a party or you go out to a bar and one of your girlfriends gets really shitty, 210 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,000 and then you have to take care of her. 211 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,000 Could you imagine if all six of you were shitty? 212 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,000 Yeah. 213 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,000 That would suck. 214 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:56,000 Well, honestly too, don't get me wrong, I love a stiff drink as much as the next person. 215 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:01,000 But there comes a time, like yesterday, per example, I was like, I literally cannot drink anymore. 216 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Like the last five days, I need to stop. 217 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,000 So, I just took a whole day and I didn't drink. 218 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,000 And that's like, I feel like I drink more than the average person. 219 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,000 So, imagine like this, it's like all day, every day, you know? 220 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:18,000 And that's really sad because it's like, you get to the point where your body like needs that and craves it and you literally get sick without it. 221 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Right, exactly. 222 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,000 Well, that's the dependency. 223 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:26,000 But yeah, all I was saying was just like he only hangs out with other apollics. 224 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,000 It's like the anti-AA. 225 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Yeah, pretty much. 226 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:38,000 Now, during this time, he was continuously engaging in constant sex with prostitutes. 227 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:45,000 He claimed later that around this time, he would have sex with up to 200 women per year. 228 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Okay. 229 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,000 And sought out his companions in the slums and dive bars of Vancouver. 230 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,000 That's a quote. 231 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,000 So, it's like every other day. 232 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000 Yeah. 233 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Yeah. 234 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,000 It was like frequent. 235 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:01,000 He did this for many years, of course, racking up those charges for various crimes and- 236 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,000 I think you could say racking up those numbers. 237 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,000 I mean, also. 238 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,000 And in 1961, he actually had a interesting run-in with police. 239 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,000 This is kind of like fuzzy, but I'll explain it the best I can. 240 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,000 Police found a five-year-old girl in his vehicle. 241 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:23,000 And although he was charged with abduction, he was never convicted. 242 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:28,000 So, there was no evidence of any type of assault or anything like that. 243 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,000 We don't know where this little girl came from. 244 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,000 Exactly. 245 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,000 Didn't really explain how he knew her or why she was with him. 246 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,000 He got charged with abduction, but again, never convicted. 247 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,000 So, maybe it was a misunderstanding and it was like, let me charge you, but then the parents 248 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,000 didn't want to press charges or whoever it went. 249 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,000 That's really all it said about that. 250 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,000 I wonder if they weren't acquainted or- 251 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Or maybe it was one of his friends' children. 252 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,000 Right. 253 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,000 One of the workers- 254 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Yeah. 255 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Yeah. 256 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000 I don't know. 257 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:01,000 One of the workers' daughters and then she- the girl went missing and then maybe she reported it. 258 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,000 Didn't realize that it was with somebody- her daughter was with somebody she knew. 259 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,000 Yeah. 260 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:12,000 So, it was a little strange that Case ended in the day of proceedings in May of 1961. 261 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,000 Hmm. 262 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,000 61. 263 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,000 Oh my gosh, okay. 264 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,000 So, he's like 30 at this point. 265 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Now, shortly after Christmas Day, so that was like earlier in the year that happened, 266 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:27,000 I guess he had been having a very hard time and a very inebriated Gilbert tried to jump off of the 267 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,000 Lionsgate Bridge. 268 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Oh my gosh. 269 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,000 This is his words. 270 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:35,000 Traffic was actually stopped until he gave up the attempt and was eventually talked down. 271 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,000 He like was going to and then got talked down. 272 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,000 But like caused a scene? 273 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Yeah. 274 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,000 Wow. 275 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Yeah. 276 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,000 That's gotta be really powerful for someone, you know? 277 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:52,000 Honestly, like to feel like you don't have worth and for all these people to stop and help you. 278 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,000 Yeah. 279 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,000 That's gotta be like a really impactful moment. 280 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,000 Honestly. 281 00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:00,000 It's like, okay, all these strangers are like caring about my safety, my well-being. 282 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Right. 283 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,000 This is gonna get kind of like, what the fuck? 284 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,000 So, just bear with me. 285 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Okay. 286 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Now, soon afterward, he was arrested yet again and found in contempt of court in North Vancouver 287 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,000 for saluting Nazi style in the courtroom. 288 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Oh no. 289 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,000 Like, why? 290 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,000 What are you doing? 291 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,000 You know what it's illegal to do in Germany? 292 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,000 I don't fucking doubt it. 293 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,000 Yeah. 294 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,000 It's illegal in Germany. 295 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,000 You can't do it. 296 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,000 That's like, heard. 297 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,000 I don't know. 298 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Somebody Google it. 299 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,000 They're like, how do you plead? 300 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,000 He's like, it's not funny at all. 301 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,000 It's not funny at all. 302 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,000 Yes. 303 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,000 And Gilbert in the front. 304 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,000 Yeah. 305 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,000 Oh, you're not raising your hand. 306 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,000 Sir, you have a question? 307 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,000 Yeah. 308 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:43,000 So, he was not given any time for this charge or anything was yet get again back on the 309 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,000 streets. 310 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:49,880 Now, in 1963, so the next year, Gilbert lured two women into his car with an invitation 311 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:50,880 to drink. 312 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,000 That's like his thing, right? 313 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,000 Yeah. 314 00:13:54,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Now, while inside the vehicle, he assaulted the two women sexually who then went to police. 315 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,000 And subsequently Gilbert was charged with rape and theft. 316 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,000 Okay. 317 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Not sure if he stole something. 318 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,000 I mean, he obviously stole something from them. 319 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:12,000 Now, for some reason, he was convicted on the theft charge, but acquitted of rape. 320 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,000 Charge, but acquitted of the rape charge. 321 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,200 Is it because they were sex workers? 322 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,680 I'm sure it didn't have really any other information. 323 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:19,680 Yeah. 324 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:20,680 That's disgusting. 325 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:21,680 Yeah. 326 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,000 So, it's like already lengthy criminal, just let him get away with it. 327 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,000 Yeah. 328 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,000 Just let him keep doing whatever he's doing. 329 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:34,920 So yeah, it's almost like why, like it's like they're not really caring about the community 330 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,000 enough to like prosecute him for doing anything. 331 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Yeah. 332 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:44,160 And that's why I asked if they were sex workers because, you know, I mean, that's the same 333 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,720 shit with like kind of Eileen Warnows, honestly. 334 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:53,560 Like I feel like she got away with a lot for a long time because of her job, but not only 335 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:59,000 that, I think that a lot of the crimes that she committed weren't, like I said, just weren't 336 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,640 paid attention to. 337 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:06,000 And they tried to make those men seem like, like not shed heads, honestly. 338 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,000 Yeah. 339 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,440 And I know they're just, they're loving men and husbands and fathers and all that shit. 340 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:12,720 Sorry, I derailed. 341 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:13,720 Yeah. 342 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:14,720 No, it's okay. 343 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,360 Now, during one of his many incarcerations, because of course during this time he has 344 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:23,040 been convicted of certain things, Gilbert got back into his interest of cutting hair 345 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,920 and learned how to become a barber while in prison. 346 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,040 Oh. 347 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,880 When he was released, he decided to open up his own barber shop. 348 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,720 He named the Slow Can Barber Shop in Vancouver's downtown Eastside. 349 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,920 He also somehow inherited a small amount of money at this point, maybe one of his parents 350 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:44,160 had passed and invested in the stock market, which actually quickly gained him a lot of 351 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,160 profit. 352 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:46,160 Hmm. 353 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,640 Now with this money, he was able to maintain the barber shop, afford all of the booze he 354 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,440 wanted, and also get a really good lawyer. 355 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:53,440 Oh, great. 356 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:54,440 You're going to need it. 357 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:55,440 Yeah. 358 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,720 Now, unfortunately, all of these things that he was able to afford are just what he needed 359 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,760 to escalate his crimes from what he was doing to murder. 360 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:10,160 Now in 1965, a switchboard operator named Ivy Rose Doreen Oswald accompanied Gilbert 361 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,440 on one of his drinking binges. 362 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:13,440 That's a mouthful. 363 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:14,440 I know. 364 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:20,160 The next day, April 28th, 1965, Ivy Rose's nude body was found in a Vancouver hotel room 365 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,200 with a blood alcohol level of 0.51. 366 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:24,200 What? 367 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,200 Now, if y'all don't know. 368 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,200 If y'all just don't know. 369 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,200 If y'all just don't know. 370 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:28,200 If y'all just don't know. 371 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,200 If y'all just don't know. 372 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:30,200 If 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know. 539 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:50,200 If y'all just don't know. 540 00:44:50,200 --> 00:45:00,200 If y'all just don't know. 541 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:10,200 If y'all just don't know. 542 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:20,200 If y'all just don't know. 543 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:30,200 If y'all just don't know. 544 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:40,200 If y'all just don't know. 545 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:50,200 If y'all just don't know. 546 00:45:50,200 --> 00:46:00,200 If y'all just don't know. 547 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:10,200 If y'all just don't know. 548 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:20,200 If y'all just don't know. 549 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:30,200 If y'all just don't know. 550 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:40,200 If y'all just don't know. 551 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:50,200 If y'all just don't know. 552 00:46:50,200 --> 00:47:00,200 If y'all just don't know. 553 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:10,200 If y'all just don't know. 554 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:20,200 If y'all just don't know. 555 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:30,200 If y'all just don't know. 556 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:40,200 If y'all just don't know. 557 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:50,200 If y'all just don't know. 558 00:47:50,200 --> 00:48:00,200 If y'all just don't know. 559 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:10,200 If y'all just don't know. 560 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:20,200 If y'all just don't know. 561 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:30,200 If y'all just don't know. 562 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:40,200 If y'all just don't know. 563 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:50,200 If y'all just don't know. 564 00:48:50,200 --> 00:49:00,200 If y'all just don't know. 565 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:10,200 If y'all just don't know. 566 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:20,200 If y'all just don't know. 567 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:30,200 If y'all just don't know. 568 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:40,200 If y'all just don't know. 569 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:50,200 If y'all just don't know. 570 00:49:50,200 --> 00:50:00,200 If y'all just don't know. 571 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:10,200 If y'all just don't know. 572 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:20,200 If y'all just don't know. 573 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:30,200 If y'all just don't know. 574 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:40,200 If y'all just don't know. 575 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:50,200 If y'all just don't know. 576 00:50:50,200 --> 00:51:00,200 If y'all just don't know. 577 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:10,200 If y'all just don't know. 578 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:20,200 If y'all just don't know. 579 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:30,200 If y'all just don't know. 580 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:40,200 If y'all just don't know. 581 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:50,200 If y'all just don't know. 582 00:51:50,200 --> 00:52:00,200 If y'all just don't know. 583 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:10,200 If y'all just don't know. 584 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:20,200 If y'all just don't know. 585 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:30,200 If y'all just don't know. 586 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:40,200 If y'all just don't know.