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Yeah.
Are jandals like Jesus sandals?
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Okay. Yeah, because that's definitely what they look like.
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It gets warm in here really quick.
Well, I hope everyone is ready.
I'm sure that you know who we're going to be talking about if you clicked on this episode,
because it says it in the title.
But as per usual, Coelle does not know who I'm talking about.
And this is going to be a fucking doozy.
Like I said that earlier, but I am being real real with it.
I want to throw a huge content warning over this episode.
I'll put it in the show notes as well.
But this is a lot of victims that we have.
And it's going to probably be about 30, good 30 minutes of me just listing victims back to back to back.
So I know that is a lot of content.
We will do our best to kind of insert some chatter here and there.
So it's not just, you know, all of that for an hour.
But it does get a little heavy as far as the amount of victims.
And it's not super graphic with the MO or anything like that, but it's just a lot of victims and a lot of content.
Okay.
So just let everyone know.
Now I'm curious.
I know.
Like who else could it be?
All right. So without further ado, we are going to get right into the case.
Today we are going to be talking about Gary Leon Ridgway, a.k.a. the Green River Killer.
Oh, Green River.
Okay. Not who I thought you were going to be bringing.
Oh, really?
I'm still excited.
So we talk about Green River a lot.
I feel like he's come up on a lot of episodes.
You're like, was that Green River?
No, was that Green River?
Like I don't remember what he did.
So I'm going to tell you what he did because this guy is a fucking monster.
And it's a lot.
Again, just so that everyone knows.
Is there any other aliases?
Not that I read.
Okay.
He doesn't have a list of cool nicknames.
I like the following.
How about you?
Oh my God.
That's one of my favorites.
So Gary Leon Ridgway was born on February 18, 1949 in Salt Lake City, Utah to Thomas Newton Ridgway and Mary Rita Ridgway.
He was the second of three boys, his older brother being Gregory Ridgway born in 1948 and younger brother being Thomas Edward Ridgway born in 1951.
Got to love a middle child syndrome.
Oh yeah.
Already like doomed.
His father Thomas was a bus driver while his mother Mary was a sales clerk at JCPenney.
Oh.
The boys unfortunately had a less than perfect childhood with their parents frequently arguing in front of them and his mother being described as domineering by multiple relatives.
Interesting.
So she wore the pants.
In the 50s.
She wore the pants.
Okay.
I see.
Yeah.
It was noted that all three of the boys and the father alike suffered verbal, physical and sexual abuse at the hands of Mary.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Really domineering.
Oh no. How far apart were the boys? I'm sorry.
All within a year.
All within a year of each other. It was like 1948, 1949 and then 1951.
Okay.
So they're all really close in age.
The only reason I ask is because after Menendez they were pretty, well I wouldn't say very close in age.
Well they were about three, two, three years apart.
Just how much you can like want to lean on one another if you're all experiencing the same thing.
Absolutely.
Now it's not clear if all of them suffered all types of this abuse, but she was noted as being the alpha of the family and just really taking advantage of again her sons and her husband alike.
Since the father Thomas was a bus driver, he would be around town most of the day.
And a young Gary remembers him frequently complaining about the presence of sex workers in the area that they lived.
He would complain like there's a lot of people on the streets and there's sex workers.
And he would say some really ugly things about their lifestyle and how they make money and all that stuff.
So when Gary was 11, the family moved to C-Tac, Washington where they would spend most of the kids time growing up.
Oh, that doesn't make sense.
I guess it kind of made sense when I wrote it weird.
Wait, what did you want to read again?
Where they would spend most of the kids time growing up.
I mean it makes sense kind of, but I shouldn't.
Where the kids would spend most of their time growing up.
Yeah, most of the kids time.
Most of the kids time.
And constantly slitter warning throughout.
Slitter warning throughout.
I listened to that the other day too.
So funny.
When Gary was 11, the family moved to C-Tac, Washington and Washington.
I say it.
C-Tac, Washington.
Like you have a vendetta against Washington.
Like I had to like, I was like reporting that.
Washington.
This is where the kids would spend most of their time growing up.
Okay, let's just leave it at that.
I'm not going to say it again.
Now we've talked about the McDonald's Triad a lot.
One of the three criterion, Gary had a problem with bedwetting as a child and up until he was 13 years old.
Wow.
Now, if anyone hasn't listened to that episode about that, the McDonald's Triad again is three things that will suggest that someone will be a serial offender later in life.
And it is bedwetting past a certain age.
And if it's later than the age of 10, it's usually a sign of either sexual abuse or this McDonald's Triad.
Which in this case, it's kind of both.
It's both.
Unfortunately.
What are the other two?
The other two are animal abuse and arson.
Like setting small fires.
Are we getting there?
Yes, we are actually.
Content warning for this next part.
This does have to do with sexual abuse on a child.
Gary would later relay that whenever he would wet the bed, his mother would punish him by putting him in a cold bath.
And she would also force him to let her wash his genitals for him until the age of 13.
13?
Pretty gross.
That's so old.
Yeah, that's really old for that.
I mean, obviously it's a baby.
They can't do it themselves, but it's so ugly.
Due to this abuse by his mother, Gary developed conflicting feelings of anger and sexual attraction to his mother at a young age.
Even showing signs of an edipus complex.
But also he would fantasize about killing her because she was quote a big problem.
Because she was just so hostile.
He was just conflicted because he's experiencing this sexual abuse, but also this anger and verbal abuse.
He's like, it's terrible.
And those are like formative years for them.
You know, Gary attended Chinook Junior High School and Tai Yi High School in SITAC, where he was known for being socially well adapted by his classmates.
Those are weird words.
Yeah, all of those words.
Tai Yi High School in SITAC.
Content warning.
It is known that during this time, he also experimented with arson and was also noted as killing a cat by trapping it in a freezer.
I know.
That's awful.
But already he's meeting the full criterion for the McDonald's Triad.
You can see where this is going.
I mean, it's not called diagnosing a divorce.
Yeah, it's not called diagnosing a divorce.
It's also not diagnosing this child that eventually sought help and then everything was hunky dory.
Happily ever after.
That's terrible.
And it sucks because like he had it, I mean, as we see with most of the people that we talk about, they had it really fucking shitty growing up.
So yeah, I mean, it's not on the child to seek help.
Yeah, of course.
But everybody else, you know, be standing up and saying something at this point.
Although he was a troubled kid on the inside, his classmates described him as the opposite of whatever we would hear, social, nice and well-liked.
Gary was not the brightest student, however, and his older brother Gregory was actually widely regarded as the most accomplished sibling outshining Gary.
I love that.
Do you remember Robert Bridella's dad, like, idolized his older son and he like wanted to disown his other son that he named after himself?
Like, he's like, I know I named you after me like Robert Jr., but like, your other son's, my other son's better than you.
But he's like so much better.
What the hell?
By like miles.
God.
Gary actually had an IQ of 82.
So that's like, right?
The average was 100.
So it's lower than average.
Yeah, I think the, it's like 75, I think is considered a need of assistance.
He actually reported suffering from dyslexia, paving the way for him to be held back a year in high school.
In high school, I feel like that's so late to be diagnosed with dyslexia.
That's usually something that happens in like elementary school.
When you start to read and write.
Yeah, exactly.
So I'm not sure maybe it just like, he had it, it was undiagnosed and then it just like really was affecting him.
I'm sure nobody paid attention to his homework.
Oh, of course not.
So content warning.
At the age of 16, Gary came across a six year old boy that was dressed up as a cowboy and playing with a stick in a wooded area near his home.
Gary asked the young boy if he wanted to go build a fort and moments later, Gary stabbed the boy with a folding knife in his abdomen, puncturing through his ribs and into his liver.
Well, that escalated quickly.
Yeah, he's 16.
Again, already met the McDonald Triad, so he's clearly been having these thoughts and the frustration towards his mother, not making it okay.
But at 16.
And he just, he happened upon this kid, he said playing in a wooded area.
It's just not like in the front yard or anything.
No, but it's just a neighborhood kid.
Like see me like one of his neighbors.
He was walking around with that knife on purpose.
Oh, of course.
He's either going to kill a person or an animal.
Or an animal.
Yeah, exactly.
Maybe that's why he went to the woods to find an animal.
Yeah.
The six year old boy was noted as saying, quote, why did you kill me as blood rushed into his cowboy boots?
No.
Gary walked away laughing as the boy bled out, later admitting, quote, I always wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone.
The six year old boy suffered serious injuries, but ultimately survived the attack.
Oh, gosh.
I know.
Let's see if I can take a deep breath.
That's so awful though.
That is awful.
Having to be a six year old having to say, why did you kill me?
Like he has no concept of what that really means.
Right.
So awful.
Around this same time, Gary was noted as sexually assaulting a girl at school, but he was never suspected for or arrested for either of these crimes, the stabbing or the sexual assault.
Wow.
This is like the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this case.
Like it is going to be a heavy case.
I'm still warning everyone.
16.
Yeah.
It took me a month to research this because I kept having to stop.
I was like, okay, I can't keep going with this.
Throughout high school, Gary was still the same socially acceptable, charming, quote unquote, normal kid, even having no trouble finding dates or girlfriends.
Okay, Bundy.
Right.
Gary graduated from high school in 1969 at 20 years old and married his high school sweetheart, 19 year old Claudia Craig shortly after graduating.
There it is.
It's always the quick marriage.
I know.
But he graduated, okay, so he graduated two years late.
Essentially.
I think he was just an older kid because he was only held back one year and then he just had like 20.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
I just can't believe being the like, like I'm the only 20 year old.
Like, I don't know.
Yeah.
And then he just met, he met homegirl at high school.
Yeah.
And just straight up married her.
Married her to us.
All right.
Well, scooped her right on up.
And what was her name?
Claudia Craig.
Okay, Claudia.
I see you, Claudia.
You always say it like it's their fault.
All right, Claudia, we see you.
We see you, Claudia.
Where's the poop, Claudia?
Shortly after getting married, Gary was drafted to the United States Army and left for Vietnam,
where he served on board a supply ship and witnessed intense combat.
That's totally healthy for somebody who's already experiencing this shit.
It's totally healthy.
During the two years he was in the military, Gary was known to have had sex with multiple sex workers
and ultimately contracted gonorrhea because of his antics.
Who does that sound like?
Percovitz.
Yeah.
I was thinking that too.
I was like, oh my God.
Oh, Burke.
God, that's awful.
And the fact that he's utilizing sex workers for this, it's like, whoa, your dad said that
sex workers were like, you know, not good.
He's all angry about them.
So the fact that he's like participating in that is interesting to me.
Right.
Well, you know, I think about that sometimes too when it's like the pendulum swings the
other way and it's like, well, what's so bad about this?
I need to figure it out on my own.
And it's true.
Kind of the same way with, I mean, people that abuse drugs.
Sometimes people that are drug addicts are people that grew up with parents that were
like completely straight, you know, things like that.
That's like put everybody in a bucket.
But what I'm saying is that sometimes the temptation is what kind of makes you want
to do it because you've been told no your whole life and you're like, well, what's so
wrong with that?
Yeah, let me figure it out.
I figured this out.
I figured this out on my own.
Get gonorrhea.
Although Gary was angered by the fact that he had contracted this STD, he continued to
have unprotected sex with many different women.
And before he returned home, him and Claudia would divorce.
So she, I guess he like told her she found out or something.
No, he, he left.
She was at home.
He left.
He got it.
He left her like via the phone or writing or whatever.
Well, he was still over in Vietnam.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
So before he would return home, she would be like gone pretty much.
Probably because of the gonorrhea.
Probably so, I would imagine.
After returning home, some time had passed with Gary working as a truck painter, but
ultimately falling into another quick marriage with a woman named Marcia Lorraine Brown in
1973.
All right.
Claudia's off the hook, but Marcia.
Yeah.
I see you, girl.
We see you.
A few years into their marriage in 1975, the couple would offer, would offer a baby boy.
Why I said offer?
Offer up their baby boy to the gonorrhea gods to get rid of it.
They would welcome a baby boy.
I don't know where the term offer came from.
They had a baby boy named Matthew.
Matthew Richie.
God, in 1975.
Okay.
The birth of his son showed Gary a new way of looking at the world, and he was noted
as becoming devoutly religious around the same time.
We've heard that before too.
He was known to go door to door reading the word to anyone who would listen.
He would read the Bible aloud at work and at home, and he was also very insistent that
Marcia become as involved as he was in his faith.
Presumed.
Yeah.
So she wants her to like, it gives you a call me the kernel, like she wants her to be as
religious as he gets.
You have to call him Jesus Christ.
Gary was also known to frequently cry after sermons or reading the Bible and would follow
the strict teachings of his pastor to a T.
Oh, I could not hang.
I could not.
I couldn't.
Like, bro, don't shove your shit down my throat.
I'm sorry.
I could not hang that way, no.
Despite his extreme religious beliefs, Gary was also continuing to solicit sex workers
during this time.
And even tried to encourage Marcia to participate in sex in public and inappropriate places.
What?
I am the best Christian in the world.
Let me hire a sex worker.
Yeah.
Did anybody talk to you about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ just hanging out the door?
That's disgusting.
Yeah.
Oh my.
This is kind of gross.
It was later.
It hasn't been gross yet, but go ahead.
It's all gross.
None of this is gross yet.
He even offered up his baby.
It was later.
No, this is actually kind of morbid, sorry.
It was later discovered that some of these places that he wanted to do the deed with
his wife were in the same places his future victims would be found.
Yeah.
Like he had a favorite park bench or I don't know if he like knew when he was going to
have victims and put them there later or if he was like, I remember this spot.
My wife wouldn't have chosen me here.
Let me just do this here.
You know, the real world.
It's the real world.
Like, I don't know.
Okay.
Yeah.
But either way, you like these maybe because they were secluded locations.
Yeah.
I think I found them to be quite serene perhaps.
Terrible deed for the serene area.
No, of course.
Along with all of his other bizarre behaviors, Marcia claimed that Gary also put her in
a chokehold at one point during this same time period, like in an argument seemingly.
Oh my gosh.
Or during sex.
Yeah.
Well, funny you say that because according to the women in his life, Gary had an aggressively
insatiable sexual appetite.
His past wives and girlfriends would later tell forces that he demanded sex from them
multiple times a day, often in public areas or in the woods.
Hmm.
Gross.
Gary later admitted that he had a strange fixation with sex workers, but he also had
a love-hate relationship with them because I guess his father out of the-
And the gonorrhea.
Yeah.
He would frequently complain about their presence in his neighborhood, similarly to his father,
but often seek out their services as well.
Gary, you're the one that's-
Like, you're the one that's-
Gary, you're inviting them into the neighborhood, bro.
What are you talking about?
They're there for you.
They're looking for you.
He would later claim that he did not want anything to do with the sex-working community,
but some people believe that he was simply torn between his sexual urges and his religious
beliefs, causing him to retract his statements like all the time.
Oh, baby.
I know.
He's just so torn.
He just doesn't know who he is.
I don't know what to do.
I want to be good, but I can't.
All these prostitutes in my neighborhood, I don't know what to do.
I went to Tai-E High School.
I went to Tai-E High School, and she got a goodoo.
Stop paying them, Gary.
They won't come around.
For real.
So, the next several years are kind of like a blank spot in Gary's life, but it is believed
that he just laid low and worked the same job during this time.
We're now going to be into 1970.
So it's believed that Gary Ridgway could have committed his heinous crimes as early as 1970,
but there is no concrete evidence to support that idea.
However, in 1980, Gary was arrested for allegedly choking a prostitute, but no charges were
filed after he claimed that the woman had bit him and it was self-defense.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, like that.
Montt, and then you're just like, for real.
You punch somebody at a self-defense.
You don't hit them with something.
You don't strangle them.
That's weird.
Eight years into their marriage in 1981, Marcia had had enough of Gary's bizarre behavior,
and she filed for divorce.
Go for you, Marcia.
Newly single, lonely, and angry, Gary began to change focus from religion to crime.
In 1982, Gary was arrested and charged with soliciting sex work, but it seems like he
was able to make bail or got off on small charges because he didn't serve any time,
like jail time for this offense at all.
After being released, Gary began what would become nearly a decade-long killing spree,
totaling at least 71 victims during this time.
Oh my gosh.
That's a lot.
That's why I said this episode, the fucking lot.
With his anger towards sex workers and his rage inside, Gary decided that he would take
out his anger on the sex work community.
We've heard this before.
He figured they were vulnerable members of society who were often avoiding the police
due to how they made a living.
But Gary did not just want to engage in rough sex with them.
He wanted to kill as many as he could.
He went in with that idea, like, I'm not just going to hire these people, and it was an
impulsive decision.
He's like, I'm going to kill these people.
It's all premeditated.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Now, this is where I'm going to start listening to victims.
Again, this is a lot of content back to back, so bear with me.
We'll take short breaks in between, but just to let everyone know.
Content warning.
Also, another content warning.
The youngest victim is as young as 14, just to let everyone know.
14 and up.
Gary's first confirmed victim was 16-year-old Wendy Lee Cofield, who was living in foster
care at the time of her murder and engaging in sex work.
In July 1982, Wendy had run away from her foster home and was on the streets when Gary
picked her up off of State Route 99 in King County, Washington.
She's a child.
His emo remained the same throughout his entire murder career.
He would sometimes show victims a photo of his son to make himself appear harmless and
then trick them into trusting him.
What an ass.
So fucking disgusting that you would use your child to murder people.
It gets worse.
It was even noted that he would pick up the girls sometimes after picking up his son from
school and engage in sex with them in the car while Matthew was there.
What the fuck?
When he was a baby.
It's noted, I saw it in two different sources, that one source said it happened once, other
sources said it happened multiple times, but either fucking way, that's disgusting.
Yeah, it doesn't matter if it happens once or ten times.
It's just awful.
They're like, oh, look at my cute son in the back.
We're just a harmless, you know, father, son duo.
He's just a mush head, don't worry about him.
Oh, he used to call my son a mush head when he was little, little, like, because they're
just like little mushy sponges.
Yeah.
So they're just so squishy.
Yeah, so I used to call him a mush head.
It's a little mush head.
That's funny.
But they're still capable of retaining memory.
No, yeah, for sure.
And this is absolutely awful.
I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna throw another content warning out here since we broke the
ice a little bit there.
He would then either bring them back to his house or engage in sexual activity elsewhere,
where he would initiate sex with them while himself being behind the woman.
Like that was like the way that he kind of got the upper hand, if you will.
After several minutes of intercourse, Gary would reach forward and wrap his forearm around
the woman's neck, using the other arm to pull it backwards as hard as he could, strangling
them in the process.
And killing them?
That's terrifying.
Yeah.
Oh, God.
It is suspected that this is the same fate that Wendy met during her time with him.
Wendy was found on July 15th, floating in the Green River, completely nude with her clothes
wrapped tightly around her neck.
Gary's second victim, Giselle and Lowvorn, disappeared just two days after Wendy's body
was found, her body being discovered similarly to Wendy's.
Deborah Lynn Bonner, 22, went missing in late July of 1982, shortly after these two girls
were killed, and she was also discovered in the Green River.
A total of five victims were found in the Green River, and they were actually named as the
Green River Murders, but when they realized that he was killing more, they dubbed him
the Green River Killer.
Okay, yeah.
So it wasn't...
So they thought it might have been like, oh, these five women and then no more, but
he's an active killer now, so they call him a killer.
And I'm sure that we've already noticed a bunch of dates and stuff.
Every victim that I've listed, I listed the date that they went missing and then the date
that they were found, so I'll be as clear as I can, but just to let everyone know, there's
going to be a lot of dates thrown around.
Yeah, it's going to be kind of overlapping.
Yeah, kind of.
Because it's really telling how long it took them to be found.
That's why I wanted to include that.
Yeah, that was from July to September on one of those.
Yeah.
And just to let everyone know as well, I know I've said content warning a bunch of times,
but this next part is fucking disgusting, like out of a horror book, so just to let everyone
know.
The difference in these two murders from Wendy's, however, was that they were not just strangled
and dumped, but they actually had rocks placed inside of their genitals.
Gary later confessed that he did this because he would come back to the deceased bodies
and sexually defile them multiple times after dumping them.
It's like Ted Bundy.
It's fucking gross.
It's disgusting.
It's just, I literally can't even fucking imagine the smell.
Do you, yeah, just, I don't understand.
I don't understand.
The shock.
Yeah.
He also later explained that he did not find necrophilia more sexually satisfying
than regular sex, but that having sex with the deceased reduced his need to obtain a
living victim, thus limiting his risk of being caught.
Oh, so he's a fucking hero.
Yeah.
He's a fucking hero.
At least I'm not taking like a live people.
Another life.
Yeah.
Like I'm just defiling the bodies of my previous victims.
Yeah.
That's disgusting.
Oh my God.
That is so gross.
I know.
It's really, it's really awful.
Yeah.
This guy is a mess.
On top of taking this precaution, he would also frequently leave cigarette butts and
gum at the sites of his victims, even though he didn't smoke, just to throw detectives
off of his trail.
Oh, we're looking for a smoker.
He's like, I don't smoke.
And I don't chew gum.
I came here to smoke cigarettes and chew gum.
I'm a lot of gum.
God, silly.
It's so dumb.
He would sometimes move bodies from their original sites as well in order to confuse
investigators because they would maybe find like some sort of remains somewhere than like
others elsewhere.
Yeah.
On August 15th, 1982, three more bodies were found.
17-year-old Cynthia Jean Hines was found naked in the shallow water along with the body
of 31-year-old Marcia Faye Chapman.
But not his ex-wife.
Not his ex-wife, but still.
Okay.
But yeah, that's, wow, what a weird connection.
Nearby in the undergrowth lay the body of Opal Charmaine Mills, 16, with blue shorts
knotted around her neck, her breasts exposed, and with bruises on her arms and legs.
Detective David Reichert was one of the first to arrive on the scene.
Now let's remember that name because he comes back way later, but he is one of the first
to arrive on this scene and he follows this guy through the entire process.
I already forgot what his name was.
David Reichert.
David Reichert?
Yeah.
David Reichert.
The following day, August 16th, the King County Sheriff's Office set up the Green River Task
Force to investigate the killings.
Now they were already serious about it.
Oh yeah.
And the body count continued to rise.
More victims being discovered along the river and in the areas around the Seattle Tacoma
International Airport.
So he has now two common dump sites, if you will.
Okay.
So why aren't they patrolling him?
Right.
I don't know.
I guess along the river I guess that can be like anywhere along the river.
That's why Dadaways loves that.
Oh, we're gonna hit up this place that's known to be a crack then and it's like, well,
if it's a known crack then, why aren't you doing anything about it?
Exactly.
It's a known drug house.
Oh shit.
Along with David Reichert, Robert Keppel was also lead on this task force and the two
put together made an amazing team.
Unfortunately, the team could only do so much and Gary Ridgway was able to keep killing
for many years, his victim count reaching nearly 40 at this point.
What?
Reichert said about the findings of the bodies, quote, every time you found a body, it was
like being hit on the head with a baseball bat.
Now I'm gonna continue with the victims.
On August 29th, 1982, Terri Renee Milligan, 16, disappeared.
She was living with a boyfriend at the time of her disappearance and was last seen near
South 144th Street and Pacific Highway South.
Her body was found on April 1st of 84, so two years later.
The victim of a homicide at the hands of Gary.
On September 15th, 1982, 18 year old Mary Bridget Mehan was on a walk when she was picked
up by Gary, never to be seen again.
The remains were found a year and two months after her disappearance near Tai Yi golf course.
On September 20th, so just five days later, Deborah Lorraine Estes, 15, had run away from
home when she was picked up by Gary Ridgeway.
Her body was found in June of 88, so six years later.
And she left behind a younger sister.
She also had an older brother named Luther that had died in an auto accident before she
ran away.
What?
That's so sad.
So their parents lost two babies, I know.
Like within a year.
Yeah, I mean she disappeared.
Her body wasn't found for six years, but she was gone.
Oh my gosh, I know.
Do you think there's a reason that he's seeking out specifically these younger people, other
than there was a 31 year old victim, but other than that they're all-
Oh, teenage runaways.
He doesn't think anyone's going to come looking for them.
That's true.
Do you think he asks first how old they are?
I don't think, I think he just liked younger looking people maybe.
But what is the connection do you think for him?
High school sucked, so he likes that era?
I think he hated women because his mom.
Yeah.
I think maybe because he was young at the time that she was still assaulting him, maybe
that's why he targeted young people.
He didn't like sex workers because of his dad.
Or maybe he was uncomfortable with himself enjoying the company of sex workers and so
he killed them so that no one else found out that he was doing it.
That's true.
There's a bunch of different reasons.
There's clearly a pedophile too, so.
Yeah, of course.
But yeah, no, I find that really interesting because there's always that-
It's always one of those things, I don't necessarily trust somebody that doesn't have
people their own age that they hang out with.
Yeah, of course.
And so it's kind of just one of those things.
There's definitely somebody that I used to know that only hangs out with people that
are 18, 19, 20.
That's so gross.
I don't hang out with those age people.
Yeah.
And he's in his 30s.
It's like, you know, it just shows your maturity level is what I'm saying.
Of course.
Yeah.
I think so too.
Yeah, but clearly he's not in it for long term relationship.
I'm just saying, you know, that Gary seems like it just-
What I'm saying is that it's trying to recapture something, but I just kind of wish that I
knew a little bit more about like why.
Yeah, well his psyche is very odd again, but he has that low IQ.
Maybe that's the people that he can relate to the most because his brain is not as developed
as someone his age.
That's a very good point.
You know?
He was probably a very angry kid in high school too.
Oh, for sure.
Yeah, that might be another thing too.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Now on September 26th, 1982, Linda Jane Rule, or Janie, was last seen.
Her body was found in January of 83, so a couple months later, on the campus of Northwest
Hospital.
October 8th, 1982, 23-year-old Denise Darcel Bush was last seen, and her remains would not
be found until February of 1990.
Whoa, that's a long time later.
And if we really think about it, I know I'm saying a lot of dates, but like that was September
26th and then October 8th, where two girls went missing.
Like that's less than two weeks in between.
Yeah.
And he's kidnapping another person.
Investigators later discovered that some of Denise's remains had been found five years
prior in a different location, but they did not find the remainder of her body until 1990.
I said earlier that he would move some of his victims so they could confuse them.
Well, maybe not dismemberment, but after a certain amount of decomposition maybe.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, because I don't think he dismembered his victims at
all.
Yeah, it doesn't seem like that's a goal of his.
The next day, October 9th, 1982, Shonda Lee Summers, 17, was last seen along Pacific Highway
South near 144th.
That was where another girl was last seen recently.
It took nearly a month for her to be reported as a missing person, and her body was found
about 10 months later just north of C-TAC airport.
Not sure why it took her longer than others to be reported, but again, these are potential
runaways.
Their sex workers are probably not checking in every day at home.
That's true.
And not just checking in every day at home, but it could be like, I'm going to go stay
with my friend for a few weeks.
Yeah, exactly.
And they think the other parents think they're safe or whatever, and in reality they've run
away.
Yeah.
Sometime between October 20th and 22nd, 18-year-old Shirley Marie Sherrill was last seen after
having lunch with a friend in Seattle's International District.
Her remains were found nearly two years later in June of 1984 alongside those of Denise
Bush.
Okay, so twice.
There's been already multiple sites that have had multiple victims as well.
But since they were found so much longer in the future, who knows what kind of remains
they were.
On December 3rd, 1982, 20-year-old mother Rebecca Becky Marrero disappeared around
South 216th and Pacific Highway South.
Her remains were found next to another victim.
She was reportedly friends with previous victim Deborah Estes.
So I don't know if he knew that or not, but...
I think that was Andre Cicatillo, right?
He kidnapped a girl and then kidnapped her friend later, too.
Yeah, I remember that.
December 24th, 1982, Christmas Eve, Colleen Renee Brockman, 15, and Sandra Denise Major,
20, were both reported missing in two separate calls to police.
It is unclear whether these girls knew each other or not, but it seems as if they didn't
know each other.
They just happened to be reported missing on the same day.
Okay.
15-year-old Colleen had run away from home where she lived with her father and brother
and was currently living on the streets at the time of her disappearance.
Unfortunately, she met Gary Ridgway and she became his 15th victim.
Her remains were found on May 26th, 1984, so a couple years later.
20-year-old Sandra Denise Major was last seen getting into a truck near North 90th Street
and Aurora Avenue North.
Her body was found down a steep embankment on the outskirts of Mountain View Cemetery
in Auburn on December 30th, 1985, so three years after her disappearance.
Everyone take a deep breath.
I know, it's a lot.
Dolores Laverne Williams, 17, is known to have disappeared around 2 p.m. on February
6th, 1983 at Rainier Avenue South and South Ferdinand Street at a bus stop outside the
red line.
There's a lot of information about that one.
Oh my gosh, a lot of information.
Her remains were found on March 31st, 1984, so about a year later, alongside three other
victims near Star Lake Road in South King County.
He's just doubling up, tripling up.
I guarantee you, he's like, well no one's found this body yet, let me just dump this
one in the same spot.
It makes sense.
But then it's like, okay, if somebody finds one, then they're gonna find all.
Yeah.
Which is a little stupid.
But they didn't find them for years after this, so it's like he's long gone at that
point.
She was identified via dental records, actually, after Gary confessed to her murder in 2003.
Oh, it's a little bit of a hint, huh?
We'll get to that.
On March 3rd, 1983, 18-year-old Alma Ann Smith was last seen on Pacific Highway South
when she ran into the infamous killer.
Gary later admitted taking Alma to his home and strangling her there, unfortunately ending
her life.
He left her body in the woods that same evening, and she was found on April 2nd, 1984.
So about a year later.
On April 10th, 1983, 23-year-old Gail Lynn Matthews was last seen entering a truck along
a highway, and her body was discovered in September of that same year.
But it wasn't identified to be her until two years later.
Four days later, on April 14th, 1983, Andrea Marion Childers, 19, was reported missing.
Her body would not be discovered until many years later, in October of 89.
I know, it's wild.
We're still in 83 currently, but I keep talking about dates that they're discovered.
I know that everyone's, hopefully I'm not confusing anyone.
Oh, it's just like, it's just overwhelming.
On April 17th, 1983, Sandra K. Gabbert, 17, and Kimmy Kye, or Mimi, Pitzer, 16, were
both reported missing by their families.
Sandra was last seen off of Pacific Highway South near South 142nd Street, and her remains
were found a year later at the Star Lake Road area, a wooded, isolated spot.
Sandra was known by many to be a free spirit and a friendly person to all.
Mimi was last seen in downtown Seattle, and her remains were found nine months later outside
of Mountain View Cemetery near two other victims.
I'm almost like done listing victims, and then we're going to get back into some other
stuff and then I'm going to go back to victims.
On April 30th, 1983, 18-year-old Mary Jane, or Marie M. Malver, was last seen by her boyfriend
getting into a paint-patched pickup with a dark-haired man about 30 to 40 years old off
of Pacific Highway South.
So the pickup is consistent at this point.
Marie's boyfriend attempted to follow the truck, sensing that something may be wrong,
but he lost him at an intersection.
Four days later, her boyfriend reported the incident to police, who found the truck parked
less than a half mile away at a house.
This house belonged to Gary Ridgway.
Police questioned Gary at his home about his knowledge of Marie, and he stated that he
did not know her or have any information as to whereabouts.
Police saw no for the reason to investigate Gary.
Marie's remains would not be found for nearly 30 years, next to another victim after Gary
confessed to her murder.
Oh my god, that's...
Ugh.
I got that boyfriend felt so bad.
Yeah, I know.
Isn't that awful?
He followed- he tried to follow the truck and then he lost him.
I know, it's terrible.
Okay, this is literally like four days later, and Gary is like already back at it.
Like the police just fucking questioned you.
He's like, oh, got away with it.
On May 3rd, 1983, 21-year-old Carol Ann Holman Christensen was last seen after lunch when
she walked out of the Barn Door Tavern on Pacific Avenue South.
We've heard that street name before.
She had been planning on returning later that evening as she was a waitress there and she
had a shift that night.
Carol was a young mother separated from her husband, and she was an extremely hard worker,
wanting to give her and her daughter a good life.
On Mother's Day, only five days after her disappearance, a family was hunting for some
mushrooms in a wooded section of Maple Valley and came across her body, dunked in water
and re-clothed backwards.
Which is really interesting.
That's strange.
It is strange.
Also underrated heroes, mushroom farmers or whatever, mushroom hunters.
Mushroom hunting.
Because it was also when Andre took Attila 2, which is funny that it's like twice in
one episode.
Yeah, it was mushroom hunters that discovered one of the bodies.
Interesting.
Yeah, or they had seen it.
Was it, I don't remember if it's the people that had witnessed him covered in blood or
something.
They had gone into the woods to mushroom hunt.
It's just such a unique thing.
It's so innocent.
Yeah, exactly.
Along with her being re-clothed backwards and in the water, she actually had one shoe
on the wrong foot and the other shoe was actually never found.
That's really interesting that he would re-clothe her body.
Yeah, very interesting considering his other victims have been nude.
She also had a bag placed over her head.
In addition to this, two cleaned fish were laid across her body.
She had raw sausage wrapped around her and a wine bottle in her hand.
What?
A very interesting scene.
And she was a sex worker?
She wasn't like a, it just, she wasn't the same right?
I don't think, no, she wasn't.
She was a waitress.
So do you think that maybe it's like, you know what I mean?
You know what I think?
I think that he had just gotten questioned by the fucking police and he couldn't control
this urge and so he had to make it look like it wasn't consistent with his other victims
because they were onto him or whatever.
Yeah, it's because he's so smart.
Yeah, exactly.
I don't think she was a sex worker.
I mean, I said she was a waitress so definitely doesn't fit the MO.
Yeah, right?
But that's what I was wondering.
I was like, did he treat her body differently because she wasn't a sex worker?
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Interesting.
I'm not sure.
That's all I said about her.
But he's got these urges.
On May 15th, 18 year old Martina Teresa Otherly was last seen.
Martina was born in Fürth, West Germany while her father was stationed with the US Army.
I don't know if I said that right so I'm sorry.
Anybody listening in Germany?
I think Fürth.
Yes.
The family lived in Germany from 1965 to 1968 and then they returned to the States and
settled in Washington.
Washington.
Martina went to Bethel High School and joined the Army National Guard while she was actually
still in high school.
Oh, wow.
She was actually medically discharged before her six-week training was up.
She enjoyed roller skating, basketball, baseball, and absolutely loved swimming.
Oh, so she was super active.
Yeah, for sure.
I love hearing that.
After she was reported as missing, Martina would become unfortunately the 28th victim
of the Green River Killer.
The next day on May 23rd, 1983, Cheryl Lee Wimms was last seen in the Central District
in Seattle the same day as her 19th birthday.
This was not the first time that her mother Ruth, who was a nurse, unfortunately would
live through this terrible tragedy.
No.
Cheryl's older sister, Deborah, would disappear under eerily similar circumstances years later.
Was it ever confirmed if it was him?
Cheryl's skeletal remains were found just north of Seattle Tacoma International Airport
in 1984.
Deborah was last seen on October 25th, 1990, when she left her apartment to go to a supermarket
on Pacific Highway South.
After her disappearance, her car was found abandoned at a Safeway store at South 216
in Pacific Highway.
Deborah was a sex worker and had a substantial criminal record dating back to the 70s for
crimes including auto theft, grand larceny, and prostitution.
Of course, when she was reported missing, Gary Ridgway was listed as a suspect after
he was identified as being at the scene of the victim's last known location.
Deborah was never found and Gary has never admitted to being involved in her disappearance.
This case is still cold to this day.
Do you think that, because he clearly confesses later, do you think that maybe he just doesn't
remember her, or do you think that he really didn't?
I mean, it has to be one or the other, because he was willing to admit to however many ones
that he admitted to.
Right.
Because even, I don't know.
It's like, Gacy kind of did that too, where it was like, oh yeah, that one, I forgot about
that one.
Yeah, I forgot that guy's name.
Yeah, but he pretty much confessed to everything that he could.
Yeah, I think it, I mean, I don't know.
That really is really unfortunate though, because like, her mom's never going to get
that justice.
That closure.
Yeah.
Gosh, that's crazy.
I know.
I feel bad for the mother.
I know me too.
On May 31st, Yvonne Shelley Antosh 19 was last seen at the Ben Carroll Motel.
Yvonne came to Washington from Vancouver, British Columbia.
There is not much else known about her, however, her body was found just off of Highway 18,
near I-90 about a year later.
Carrie Ann Rios 15 went missing.
Carrie had lived in multiple group homes and was reported to have gotten along well with
others.
She had dreams of becoming a model and played the flute in her high school marching band.
Carrie seemingly vanished around May or June of 1983, but since she was not living at home,
there's not an exact date on when she went missing.
A lot of these victims, it's just really sad that they never got the opportunity to like,
live on their own and like, even become adults, honestly.
Because sure, like, they're running away from a bad home life or because they want to live
on their own and they think they're adults, you know, whatever the circumstances might
be, but for them to be like, when some of them were living in foster or, you know, halfway
homes or shelters and it's like, they're just trying to get their shit together.
Exactly.
It's really sad.
Or didn't have the opportunity to, you know, in some cases.
Yeah, no, that's absolutely horrible.
Like, they go out thinking that they're going to have like this amazing, like, better life
for themselves.
Everything's going to be okay once I'm by myself and on my own and then this piece of
shit, you know, takes advantage of that.
Carrie, unfortunately, became a victim of Gary Ridgway and her remains were found nearly
two years after she disappeared near five other victims in the Star Lake neighborhood.
Oh my gosh, this guy.
On June 8th, 1983, Constance Elizabeth Neon, 20, was last heard from by her boyfriend,
saying she was picking up her check at her place of work and would see him in 20 minutes.
Unfortunately, she was never seen or heard from again after this interaction.
Constance's car was later found parked on South 188th Street and Pacific Highway South.
Her remains were found four months later just south of CETAC Airport near three other victims.
I know.
On July 18th, 1983, 22-year-old Kelly Marine Ware was last seen in the Central District
of Seattle.
Her remains were found three months later by the airport near three other victims as well.
Only one week later, on July 25th, 22-year-old Tina Marie Thompson was last seen near South
144th Street and Pacific Highway South.
Her remains were found nine months later near the intersection on Highway 18 and I-90 near
two other victims.
Okay.
Ready for the next one?
This one's going to be a little bit longer.
Yes.
In early 1983, 14-year-old Wendy Stevens ran away from home.
Several years before she ran away, Wendy was living with her mother Cecile and stepfather
Allen in a Denver suburb.
Cecile stated about Wendy, quote, people weren't strangers to her.
Everyone was a potential friend.
I was always afraid for her because she was that way.
It's like, ugh.
Like, it sucks that you have to be fucking worried about your kid because they're outgoing
and personal.
Yeah, and they have the- they don't- they don't have low social meters.
Yeah.
Cecile began to worry when Wendy started acting out of the ordinary.
She stated, quote, she was going through those rebellious ages.
She would just take off sometimes for weeks and there would be no forethought.
She would leave in the winter without a coat.
End quote.
At one point, Wendy left home and was gone for a month and when she came back, her mother
stated, quote, it was just really strange because Wendy acted like, quote, nothing was
wrong, nothing had taken place.
She hadn't been absent.
So essentially she showed up one day, like she had never left.
Like, it was just like no time had passed.
Yeah, that's pretty strange after being gone for 30 days.
Yeah, exactly.
Almost immediately after this conversation, in August of 1983, Wendy ran away from home
and unfortunately this would be the last time her family would see her alive.
Her mother remembers, quote, I was really afraid for her because she was so gregarious
and because she had become so undependable.
I didn't know what to make of any of it.
Wendy Stevens remains were found on March 21st, 1984, but she remained unidentified
until October of 2020 when police showed up at Cecile's house in 2020.
Showed up at Cecile's house to deliver the news that they had identified her, I'm assuming
through DNA or something.
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
Wendy's father, Carlos, her bio dad had passed away in 2014, never getting to know what happened
to his daughter 30 years prior.
Wendy would be known to be the youngest victim of Gary Ridgway.
She was 14.
That is so fucking sad.
2020.
They waited almost 40 years to hear.
I mean, the smallest bit of a silver lining is that Cecile knows.
Yeah, she didn't pass without knowing.
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On August 18th, 1983, April Dawn of Butram 17 disappeared.
She had moved from Spokane to Seattle and she was last seen when police spoke to her
in the 7300 block of Rainer Avenue South.
Her remains would be found later that same year.
26 year old Debbie Mae Apernaathy had moved from Texas to Seattle just weeks prior to
her disappearance on September 5th, 1983.
Her goal in moving was to have a fresh start with her boyfriend and her son, but unfortunately
she would become a victim of the Green River killer after her disappearance.
On September 12th, 1983, 17 days before her 20th birthday, Tracy Ann Winston disappeared.
Tracy was a known athlete playing Little League as a kid and was on the high school basketball
team.
She was last seen around 6pm at the Northgate Mall.
Her body would be found in 1986 in Cottonwood Park at South 238th Street.
Maureen Sue Feeney, 19, was last seen on September 28th, 1983, just 7 days before her
20th birthday.
Maureen was raised with 8 siblings and she was actually planning on moving out of the
family home a month after she would go missing.
Maureen had a love for animals and nature and hoped to someday work with children.
Her sister eventually would write a book about Maureen.
Her sister would eventually write a book about Maureen and the effects her murder had on
the family entitled, quote, the 39th victim of memoir.
Maureen's remains were found in May of 1986.
Now back to the current, on October 11th, 1983, Mary Sue Bellow was last seen, 5 weeks
before her 26th birthday.
This is definitely a coincidence, but very interesting.
She was known as a treasure to her family and was well liked by all that knew her.
Her remains were found one year and one day later, a victim of Gary Ridgway.
Pammy Annette Avent, 16, was last seen on October 26th.
Her remains would not be found for nearly 20 years and she was identified via dental
records.
We're almost done.
22 year old Denise Louise Plager, or Misty, was last seen on October 30th, 1983 at a bus
stop in the South Seattle suburbs.
She had a brother and two young children, her youngest being only 2 years old when she
went missing.
Her remains were found the following February, a victim of Gary Ridgway.
Alright, everyone take a deep breath, we're done with that for a second.
That's like zombifying.
I know, like you just don't out listening to it because it's so much.
It's terrible.
Thanks for hanging in there with us guys.
I know, I feel like I can't come up with any other additive than like, that's so sad.
Oh my gosh, that's so sad.
But it's just hard like to try to like, compute like in your brain.
No, for sure.
There are many victims there are and yeah, just a lot.
They each had lives and they each had families and they each have their own set of special
circumstances that brought them to that moment.
And I mean, the main research that I did, it was like giant gaps in between, but I definitely
didn't want to like leave any victims out because of course they deserve to be talked
about, you know, at least a sentence or two about them.
So that's why I wanted to put all that info in there.
In November, police once again spoke to Gary about the murders when he failed to kill a
hitchhiker that he picked up.
Let's hear about this.
Gary claimed to have choked the woman after she attacked him the same story as before.
She bit me.
Police tried to get him to admit anything, but he denied any knowledge of the victims
and authorities lacked any solid evidence that he was the perpetrator.
Gary later admitted that when he was questioned the first time about Marie's disappearance,
in order to conceal scratch marks that she had given him on his arms, he leaned up against
a fence and put his hand behind his back so that the police wouldn't see.
He would later admit like, oh shit, like the first time you talked to me like about this
girl, she gave me those scratch marks.
He also admitted that once the police left, he burned his arm with battery acid to disguise
the marks.
What?
Ow.
With fucking battery acid?
Like you realize those were heal, right?
Like they're self-on fucking fire.
Like I guess he was thinking like, okay, if they come back, like I'm not going to be
in the same situation, I might as well get rid of these now.
Right.
Like, oh my god.
Battery acid.
Fucking psycho.
You can just like draw it all over your arm with like Sharpie or something, but like
oh, I was bored.
Yeah.
This, no, I'm just practicing special effects.
Like what?
Like what happened with the, what was the story with the hitchhiker though?
So it was pretty much the same story as before.
They had said that he choked her and then he was like, well, she attacked me and it
was self-defense and the police didn't have any solid evidence.
They were like, okay.
And she didn't, I guess, press charges or anything or whatever.
Oh, it was like unidentified.
Like it wasn't like a giant story.
Now you guessed it, Gary continued to kill after this and on December 23rd, 1983, he
would come across his next victim, Lisa Lorraine Yates.
So there's not a lot of information on Lisa.
Some sources stated that she was either 18 or 19 at the time of her disappearance, but
Gary did admit to her later, her murder later on.
On February 6th, 1984, Gary picked up 16 year old Mary Xeta West.
Xeta.
I don't know how to say that little name.
It's a really cool name though.
EXZ.
Yeah.
This was actually a month shy of her 17th birthday when she went missing.
Her remains were found in September of 85, the following year in Seward Park at the base
of a tree.
On March 21st, 1984, Cindy Ann Smith was last seen hitchhiking along Pacific Highway South.
Her remains were found nearly three years later when three boys stumbled across partially
buried skeletal remains in a ravine behind the Green River Community College.
Hell no.
She was 17.
No.
Not as, no.
Like as a kid.
I know.
I still have to witness that.
Yeah, that's terrible.
Get this.
In May of 1984, Gary, still being considered a person of interest in the case due to his
history with prostitution, called police and offered to assist them in their search by
performing a polygraph test.
Oh my God.
Suggesting he could be ruled out upon passing it.
Oh my God.
Why are they like this?
It's just a stupid machine.
It's just a machine.
I'm smarter than a machine.
Get this.
He fucking passed it.
No he didn't.
And he was let go as a suspect.
He fucking passed it.
Because he's such a dummy.
I'm not trying to be rude, but like with an 82 IQ, how the fuck did you do that?
It's probably because it's a lack of empathy.
He doesn't have any emotion.
There's no emotion.
He doesn't, he doesn't get scared.
He doesn't get anxious.
Oh, that's fucking.
He passed it.
And now they're like, we have no choice but to rule him out as a suspect.
Like obviously like, polygraph tests aren't super reliable back then.
That's like pretty much all they had to go on.
Yeah, exactly.
Oh my God.
What?
I know.
Stupid machine.
By 1985, seemingly because he was still under suspicion from police, women actually stopped
disappearing.
And Gary seemed to have stopped murdering altogether.
Did he get married?
He got married?
Oh.
Sorry.
He got married.
It was also around the same time that Gary met a woman by the name of Judith Lorraine
Lynch, also recorded as Judith Mawson.
And the couple married three years later in 1988.
So yeah, he got married.
Oh my God.
Okay.
Hey, but it's predictable.
But at least he got him to stop fucking murdering or not wrong.
Not really because we're going to keep going.
What was her name?
Judith.
Okay, Judith.
I see you, Judith.
Number three.
Another one.
On October 11th, 1986, so this is one year into his relationship with Judith, they're
not married yet, but this has also been a year since the last murder.
Patricia or Patty Michelle Barzak went missing.
But since the disappearances have stopped for nearly two years at this point, this was
not immediately thought to be the Green River killer.
Patty was 19 at the time of her disappearance and her remains were found in February of
1993 on Highway 18 near the Seattle International Raceway.
They initially didn't think it was him, but she was also found by all of his other bodies.
Yeah, exactly.
Although police, well, they didn't find her till 93 though.
Yeah.
Although police thought the killings had slowed or stopped, they were not giving up on their
search for the infamous Green River killer.
And detectives, Reichart and Keppel, were looking in a new direction for information,
the same guys from earlier.
They began interviewing incarcerated killers for any suggestions or advice on what this
guy was probably like.
You know, you did it.
We'll see what this guy's about.
During the time they were interviewing these people, they received a letter in the mail
from an inmate that was pretty famous at the time.
Keppel remembers the first time he heard that the inmate was reaching out to him saying,
quote, it was a letter from a wannabe consultant and the most unlikely person I ever expected
to be of assistance in the Green River murders.
The letter came from a cell on death row in Florida.
The sender was Theodore Robert Bundy.
I was stunned.
It eaves.
Head of the West.
Dead.
Oh, it's coming in clutch.
Clutch.
Dead.
Cut.
That's awful.
But yeah, so they were like, okay, we're going to interview like serial killers and Bundy
was like, yo, I have about being some assistance.
Can I get down on that?
Yeah, let me just write you a letter like, well, at this point, of course, if we all know
Ted Bundy, he had already been in prison for several years and he was awaiting his execution
date that was set for 1989.
So this is like five years before he's supposed to get the chair.
Yeah, the chair.
Get the chair.
Get the lobotomy.
Being a similar M.O. as the Green River Killer made way for Bundy to be a real big asset
in this case because he did the necrophilia of learning as well.
It's kind of gross.
He did.
He actually became a regular interviewee of Keppel and Riker and even offered his opinion
on the psychology of the still active killer as well as his motivations and behaviors.
According to Riker, Ted also shared several things in common with Gary, especially in
regard to mindset.
Riker stated, quote, first off, there's no remorse.
He doesn't have feelings towards anybody, his family included.
And that's what I saw in Bundy and what I saw in Ridgway.
He also later explained, quote, like Mr. Bundy, Mr. Ridgway craved attention and control
and was prideful when discussing his killings.
When detectives presented him with an unsolved murder to see if he would confess it, he told
them, why, if it isn't mine, because I have pride in what I do.
I don't want to take it from anybody else.
Obviously, these are quotes that came out after they realized who he was.
But isn't that interesting?
He's like, you want to confess to this?
And he's like, no, I didn't do that.
I take pride in what I do.
That guy's sloppy.
Exactly.
And who else said that?
Somebody else said that.
It was fucking Patrick Kearney.
Oh, Kearney.
Yeah.
They were showing him Randy Kravstviktans and he was like, that wasn't me, but I admire
his work.
So he said, I admire his work.
He does good work.
Oh, my God.
It runs well.
Oh, my God.
He's kind.
When BTK stole the radio, runs good.
Oh, my God.
It's so bumbly.
Bumbly.
It's a bumbly hoe.
Now, during one interview, Bundy suggested that the Green River killer was most likely
revisiting his dump sites to perform necrophilia on the corpses.
He advised investigators that if they found a fresh grave, they should stake it out and
wait for the killer to return.
Why did they fucking think of that earlier?
Okay.
Thank you.
Teddy.
So Bundy's theories were absolutely correct and police were able to use them to collect
samples and provide evidence for an arrest warrant.
But they don't know who he is yet.
They just have DNA.
Right.
Police continued to work on the case and found out that Gary Ridgway was last seen with two
of the victims before they disappeared.
As a matter of fact, Gary had a more recent victim than the police knew about.
Roberta Joseph or Bobby Joe Hayes, age 20, went missing on February 7th, 1987, after
she was released from the custody of the Portland, Oregon police department.
She had like gotten arrested and then she got out and then it was believed she was returning
back to Seattle when she went missing, which is where he found her.
Her remains were discovered over four years later when a Washington State Park employee
came across skeletal remains at the end of a dead-end road.
She would become the 43rd victim of Gary Ridgway.
Because Gary was the last person allegedly seen with two of the victims, police were
able to get a warrant to search his home and vehicles on April 7th, 1987.
It was at this time that they also requested a hair and saliva sample and Gary cooperated
because he passed the polygraph.
So what are you going to do?
So I can beat science too.
Well, unfortunately, due to insufficient DNA testing at this time, they were unable to
use this to arrest him because all they could do was collect the sample.
They couldn't test it yet.
The technology was not out yet.
So where's Judith?
Where's she going?
Yeah, Judith.
They're going to get on you, Judith.
Go now, Judith.
Judith.
Well, it's now 1987 and him and Judith have been dating for two years.
Judith later agreed to a TV interview way later on when she stated that when she moved
into Gary's home, there was no carpet.
Investigators later suggested to her that they believed there was no carpet because he must
have used it to wrap up a body.
He like ripped it up to use it.
I have no carpet in my house because I use it to bury bodies.
In the same interview, Judith also described that Gary would leave for work super early
in the morning, seemingly to take advantage of overtime pay.
But then she conducted the dots that he most likely was killing during the time he was
out of the home, even in the morning.
She also claimed that she had not suspected Gary to be the perpetrator when he began to
be questioned.
Even when they were questioning him, she's like, that's definitely not him.
She didn't even know who the Green River killer was because she didn't keep up with any news
outlets or media or anything.
Although he was on the police's radar, again, they had no way of testing the DNA and Gary
was able to remain a free man for many years.
This is also around the time that his murders were very sporadic, seemingly because he didn't
want to risk getting caught by killing anyone.
But it was also very clear that he gave into his impulses every once in a while because
that was not his last victim.
Marta Kallis Reeves was born in Hungary in 1953 and made her way to the United States
and to Seattle in her adult life.
She was last seen on March 5th, 1990, along Pacific Highway South, and unfortunately she
would become a victim of Gary.
Marta was either 36 or 37 at the time of her murder.
I get that you can't be everywhere all the time, like 100%, but if he's a suspect, then
why isn't he being tailed?
Exactly.
I guarantee you they just couldn't get in the warrant to do that.
Yeah, because it's extra police money.
Yeah, and it's circumstantial.
Yeah, but I don't know.
And he passed the polygraph, don't forget.
Don't forget, he's smarter than the average bear.
Her body was found later off of Highway 410, which is interesting because that is weird,
right?
But we have a loop 410.
Yeah, that's true.
We don't have a highway 410.
Gary managed to keep from killing for many years after this, and it wasn't until January
of 1998 that 38-year-old Patricia Yellowrobe was last seen.
Now, keep in mind, he's sporadic, he's taken a bunch of years off, and these last two victims
have been in their 30s, completely different than his other MO, because you know why?
Because he's trying not to get fucking caught.
Yeah.
He's trying to get a little bit, but he's trying not to get caught, so he's trying to
switch it up or whatever.
It's just an impulse.
The location of her disappearance is unknown, and her body was found on the morning of August
6, 1998.
She had been found in South Seattle just off of Des Mois Way South.
Her death was actually ruled as an accidental overdose, and she was never listed as a victim
of the Green River Killer until he confessed to her murder in 2003.
Whoa.
Two more women are listed as being victims of the Green River Killer, but they are both
unidentified to this day.
One girl who has been identified as Jane Doe, B-17, was between the ages of 14 and 18,
and is known to have gone missing between December 1980 and January 1984.
Her remains were found on January 2nd of 1986, but again, never identified.
They don't even know when she was last seen.
Yeah.
Four years.
Between, yeah.
It could be 1980 to 1984, she was last seen.
Yeah, exactly.
Oh my gosh.
The other girl known as Jane Doe, B-20, was between the ages of 13 to 24, and is thought
to have gone missing between 1973 and 1993.
20 year gap.
So a 20 year gap.
They have no idea.
Her remains were found on August 21st, 2003, and she has never been identified either.
So that being said, if anybody has any information, call your local authorities.
Gary Ridgway is suspected of, but not charged with, murdering six more victims attributed
to the Green River Killer.
In each case, Gary either did not confess to the victim's death, or authorities have
not been able to corroborate their suspicion with substantial evidence.
The first of these victims is Amina Agishif, 35, who disappeared on July 7th in 1982, and
was located on April 20th of 1984.
Gary denied killing her, and she again doesn't fit the profile of any of his first such
of victims, considering her age, and the fact that she was not a sex worker.
However, there's a bunch of people later in the years that were older.
Other sources stated that she was in fact Gary's first victim, which explains the lack
of similarity with his other victims, because it was in 1982.
She was known to be a part of the Green River murders because the first five victims were
found in the Green River in Kent, Washington.
Amina was a mother of two children, a Montessori school teacher and a waitress.
Cassie Ann Lee, 16, was reported missing on August 28th, 1982, and her remains were never
discovered.
Although he has never been charged with her murder, Gary did confess to killing Cassie.
She was married to her pimp, and they had actually only been married for four months
when she disappeared off of Pacific Highway South.
Gary stated that he strangled her in 1982 and left her body near a drive-in theater off
of the SeaTac Strip.
Law enforcement has been unable to locate her remains, so he was never charged with
her murder.
Even though he confessed to her.
Even though he'd been in the heat because there's no body.
16-year-old Tammy Charlene Lyles went missing on June 9th, 1983, and was discovered in April
of 1985.
She was identified via dental records, but it is unclear why Gary was not charged with
her murder.
Probably lack of sufficient evidence, like I said earlier.
Nothing like DNA to connect or any of that stuff too, right?
Kelly K. McGinnis was last seen on June 29th, 1983, standing by the street in the area of
the Three Bears Motel off Pacific Highway South.
Kelly had two children, a boy she gave up for adoption and a four-month-old baby girl.
Kelly's remains have never been located, and she was 18 at the time of her disappearance.
18-year-old Angela Marie Gurdner was reported missing in July of 1983, and her remains were
discovered on April 22nd, 1985.
Gary is a suspect in Angela's murder, but was never officially charged.
Patricia Ann Osborn, 19, went missing on October 20th, 1983, and her remains have never been
found, although Gary did confess to her murder in 2003.
Gary Ridgway has been considered a suspect in the disappearances or murders of several
other women not attributed at the time to the Green River Killer.
Charges have never been filed for these crimes.
An unidentified black female, possibly named Michelle, disappeared in December of 1980.
Her body was never discovered.
Christy Lynn Vorak, 13, disappeared on Halloween night, 1982.
Her body was never discovered, either.
15-year-old Patricia Ann LeBlanc went missing on August 12th, 1983, and her remains have
never been found.
Rose-Marie Currin, 16, was last seen on August 26th, 1987, and her body was discovered just
five days later on August 31st.
Gary was never charged with her murder due to lack of evidence.
On April 24th, 1990, 16-year-old Darcy Wade went missing, and her body was never recovered.
And lastly, 22-year-old Cora McGurrick was last seen on July 12th, 1991, and her body
was never recovered.
That is all the victims.
That is so much.
If I want to take a deep breath, so much.
I just wanted to give everybody a little line in there, you know, because they all deserve
to be talked about, even if they were never discovered.
That's so awful.
I mean, his murdering career spans decades.
Yeah, it does.
It's wild.
And then I was just thinking about even tying up some of these remains being connected to
him or not, or that was still going on, and most weren't even known about or found or
had been confessed to until 2000.
That's insane.
Insane.
Now, although these murders were connected to or seemingly connected to Gary, it is known
that his killings went down significantly after him and Judith got married.
He later admitted during an interview in prison that while he was in the relationship with
Judith, his kill rate went way down and he truly loved her.
Of his 49 known victims, only three were killed after he married Judith.
Judith later told reporters, quote, I feel like I have saved lives by being his wife
and making him happy.
It's true.
Sad to think about too, that she feels this, not like survivor's guilt, but what would
be the opposite of that.
Almost, yeah.
Gary managed to lay low until the early 2000s and due to DNA testing coming a long way,
the samples were finally able to be tested, but it was not as cut and dry as authorities
would have liked it to be.
In March of 2001, investigators reexamined evidence from across the years the killer
had been active.
Beverly Himmick, a Washington State Patrol crime laboratory forensic scientist, told
the New York Times, quote, it was a last ditch effort.
We didn't have a lot to work with, but we went through a lot of evidence again.
We rinsed all the fingernails to look for trace evidence and swabbed the ligatures for
cellular material.
With one girl, we were able to find a few sperm clinging to her pubic hair, end quote.
New DNA profiles from three victims were compared with a DNA taken from Gary Ridgway
back in 1987, and it was a perfect match in all three cases.
On November 30, 2001, nearly two decades after the first murder, Gary was at the Kenworth
truck factory where he worked as a spray painter when police arrived to arrest him.
Gary was arrested in suspicion to the murders of Marsha Chapman, Opal Mills, Cynthia Hines,
and Carol Ann Christensen.
Three more victims, Wendy Cofield, Deborah Bonner, and Deborah Estes were added to the
indictment after forensic scientists identified microscopic spray paint smears as a specific
brand and composition of paint used at the factory during the time frame when they were
killed.
Interesting.
I know there's a lot to say, but yeah.
Gary was still married to Judith at the time of his arrest, and she was absolutely shocked
when she heard about her husband's long record of rape, murder, and necrophilia.
Judith stated that Gary was the quote, perfect husband, and had always treated her, quote,
like a newlywed.
And 17 years into their marriage.
Wow.
He seems like he really did love her.
I mean, he stopped doing these things.
He probably felt pretty fulfilled.
Although he stated that he truly loved Judith and being with her made him stop his horrendous
crimes, he also admitted that he had been tempted to kill her at one point, but he decided
not to because it might have increased his chances of getting caught.
Ew!
What?
Take back what you said.
My bad, Judith.
Sorry.
Oh no.
Gary awaited trial in jail because after his arrest, he was denied bail due to evidence
being sufficient enough to not allow it.
Oh well.
Upon his arrest, David Riker, the law enforcement official that had been the one on the case
for over 20 years at this point, released a statement saying, quote, we don't know if
Ridgway is responsible for the deaths of any more women.
However, we will continue to investigate all unsolved homicides that may be linked to him
or to any other suspects.
End quote.
He also stated, quote, we have a lot of work to do to investigate these other cases to
ensure we have the person who's responsible for those bodies.
We may have some copycats.
End quote.
Thankfully they didn't.
That's good.
Oh god, that reminds me of a pergwitz.
I know.
It's like we're having a tough enough time catching one of them.
Could you imagine if there were two?
I know.
Oh!
Early in August 2003, Seattle TV News reported that Gary had been moved from a maximum security
cell at King County Jail to an undisclosed location.
Other news reports stated that his lawyers, led by Anthony Savage, were closing a plea
bargain that would spare him the death penalty and return for his confession to a number
of murders.
Now, it was almost two years later to the date on November 5th, 2003, when Gary's case
finally went to trial.
So he just rotted for like two years.
Two years.
Good.
Although he claimed his innocence when he was arrested, Gary Ridgway pleaded guilty
to 48 charges of aggravated first degree murder, although he admitted to killing as
many as 71 in total.
What?
He just, 48.
48 counts of first degree murder.
That trial, could you imagine?
How long it took?
Yeah.
And as part of the plea bargain, actually, this would spare him execution and exchange
for his cooperation in locating the remains of his victims and providing other details.
So that's why they were able to find all those victims.
Also included in his plea, his agreement to plead guilty to any future cases where his
confession could be substantiated by evidence.
So they found any other victims, he'd be like, oh yeah, by the way, I did that.
Yeah.
In his statement accompanying, in his statement accompanying, accompanying, whoa, how do you
say that word?
How do you say that word?
I hate when that happens to me.
Accompanying.
No, dammit.
No, I can't think of it.
Accompanying.
In his statement with his plea.
Accompanying.
It's fine.
Accompanying.
Everyone knows what I'm trying to say.
Accompanying.
With his plea, Gary stated that all of his victims had been killed inside King County,
Washington, and that he had transported and dumped the remains of two women near Portland
to confuse the police.
Gary also said in this statement, quote, I killed so many women, I have a hard time
keeping them straight, end quote.
Figured.
He also admitted that he killed most of his victims in his house or truck before disposing
of the bodies, adding that in most cases, he didn't even know the victims' names.
So do you think that's another reason, like when Judith came to live with him, he couldn't
really kill Ennis home anymore?
Yeah.
So then maybe that's why.
Probably.
I mean, he just rather be safe than sorry, you know?
He also added, quote, most of the time I killed them the first time I met them and I do not
have a good memory for their faces.
Like fuck you.
They're just objects.
That's why they're just objects to him.
He doesn't care.
Explaining why he chose women he thought to be prostitutes, Gary said they, quote, were
easy to pick up without being noticed.
I knew they would not be reported missing right away and might never be reported missing.
I picked up prostitutes because I thought I could kill as many of them as I wanted without
getting caught, end quote.
I hate that fucking logic.
This guy does not have a soul.
I hate that fucking logic.
That doesn't make any fucking sense.
Sexy prosecutor Jeffrey Baird noted in court that the deal contained, quote, the names
of 41 victims who would not be the subject of state versus Ridgway if it were not for
the plea agreement.
Is that him trying to like justify not having him on the death row?
Like the death penalty?
Yeah.
It's like we got all of these confessions because we'd spare to them death penalty.
King County prosecuting attorney Norm Mayling explained his decision to make the deal, quote,
he could have gone forward with seven counts, but that is all we could have ever hoped to
solve.
At the end of that trial, whatever the outcome, there would have been lingering doubts about
the rest of these crimes.
This agreement was the avenue to the truth.
And in the end, the search for the truth is still why we have a criminal justice system.
Gary Ridgway does not deserve our mercy.
He does not deserve to live.
The mercy provided by today's resolution is not, is directed not at Ridgway, but towards
the families who have suffered so much.
Do you think that like if, if you were in a similar set of circumstances that you would,
for your own like sake of moving on, that you would need a piece of paper that said
this man has been convicted of killing that person that you loved, like a loved one?
I don't know.
I don't know how it would feel.
I feel like if I heard that he admitted, if he confessed to killing someone and then
they put him on the, on death row, then I would be probably just to satisfy, but that's
just me, you know?
I don't need like it legally to be in the fucking system.
I mean, person's gone either way.
Right.
That sounds really bad, but that's just my personal opinion.
Like you can't do anything about the fact that person's not here.
Right.
But like for me, I feel like I, I would need that.
You would.
I would need either for him to confess or for them to link through DNA or something like
that.
I would just let it be a cold case.
That would bother me.
No, right.
But what I'm saying is that there are so many victims that have either gone unidentified
or not found or, you know, what have you that weren't a part of the trial.
And I feel like my loved one not having their name on that piece of paper would bother me.
It would bother me too.
I see what you're saying.
Yeah, I agree with you.
On December 18th, 2003, King County Superior Court Judge Richard Jones sentenced Gary Ridgeway
to 48 life sentences with no possibility of parole and one life sentence to be served
consecutively.
He was also sentenced to an additional 10 years for tampering with evidence for each
of the 48 victims, adding 480 years to his 48 life sentences.
Better start working on a fountain of youth there.
Gary was able to lead investigators to 48 victims, including some that were not originally
linked to the Green River killer.
Gary Ridgeway confessed to more confirmed murders than any other American serial killer
at the time.
Whoa.
Samuel Little surpassed him.
Over a period of five months of police and prosecutor interviews, he confessed to 48 murders,
42 of which were on the police's list of probable Green River killer victims.
In one taped interview, he told investigators initially that he was responsible for the
deaths of 65 women.
But in another taped interview with David Reichert on December 31, 2003, Gary claimed
to have murdered 71 victims and confessed to having had sex with them prior to killing
them, a detail which he did not reveal until after his sentencing.
In his confession, he acknowledged that he targeted prostitutes.
In his confession, he acknowledged that he targeted prostitutes because they were quote
easy to pick up and that he hated most of them.
I don't know why he's saying unquote.
He also confessed that he had sex with his victims' bodies after he murdered them, but
claimed he began burying the later victims so that he could resist the urge to commit
necrophilia.
You have to do something to prevent yourself from committing necrophilia?
Damn.
That sucks.
It's fucking savage.
Lastly, Gary suggested that he talk to and tried to make his victims comfortable before
he committed the murders.
In his own words, he stated quote, I would talk to her and get her mind off the sex,
anything she was nervous about and think, you know, she thinks, oh, this guy cares,
which I didn't.
I just wanted to get her in the vehicle and eventually kill her.
And quote.
What the fuck?
Gary called his horrible count of murders his real career.
Oh, that's what he called it.
After his sentencing, Gary Ridgway was placed in solitary confinement at the Washington
State Penitentiary in Walla Walla, Washington in January of 2004.
In 2001, an additional body was found and linked to Gary, the body of Rebecca Becky
Marrero, his 14th victim.
After Gary entered a guilty plea for this murder and agreement from his original plea,
Becky's sister Mary told Superior Court Judge Mary E. Roberts that the family had agonized
for 29 years wondering what happened to her sister.
She stated quote, I don't agree with this plea deal to spare his pathetic life.
Unquote, unquote.
At this point, Gary turned in his chair to face her and the two other family members.
Mary continued without a fucking beat.
Hell yeah.
Quote, he makes me sick to my stomach that he beat the system.
She then told the judge quote, if I had one thing to ask today, it would be to kill him.
Gary then rose and began to apologize to the family but was cut off by a man in the audience
that said quote, shut your mouth.
That bitch.
Shut your mouth motherfucker.
Shut your mouth.
Judge Roberts responded quote, I'm sorry you had to wait this long for some truth and
some justice.
She then told Gary that in his case quote, I can find no compassion and added an additional
life sentence to his charges for this crime.
In 2013, Gary claimed in an interview with news media outlet that the number of women
he killed was more like 75 to 80 but this was not taken as truthful by a lot of people
because he was probably just seeking attention.
This is 10 years after he was sentenced.
It's probably like, oh I have more information, continue to talk to me.
Yeah, exactly.
So I'm sure you're wondering or maybe you're not about his son because remember he had
a baby.
He did have a baby.
Yes.
Matthew Ridgeway was 26 years old when his father was arrested but he was actually not
home at the time as he was serving for the Marines in San Diego at the time of Gary's
arrest.
Today he is in his late 40s and tends to stay out of the public eye.
Good for him.
Gary Leon Ridgeway will be 74 on February 18th and is still serving out his days in solitary
confinement and walla walla being let out of his cell for one hour a day for four days
a week.
Not even all seven.
While Gary was never seen for mental illness or diagnosed with anything due to the fact
that he frequently engaged in necrophilia, this suggests that he is a sexual serial
killer.
We've talked about that before.
It's also thought by many that he had had undiagnosed antisocial personality disorder
but I would have to disagree with this just because of his great long term relationship
with Judith.
Gary was in fact a compulsive liar who was always trying to make everything up and make
it how exactly how he wanted.
He was very good at manipulation and was especially good at lying considered he passed
the polygraph.
That's really fucking weird because he doesn't own any feelings.
Exactly.
Lastly, he has also been labeled as a psychopath due to his lack of empathy.
Just like you said, that term is outdated as we know.
But yeah, that's the story.
That is intense.
I know.
There is so many.
I'm so glad I don't have to fucking think about him anymore.
How many lives he affected?
Dude, 71 victims at minimum.
Every one of those people has two parents and siblings.
God's awful.
I'm so young.
Thank you guys for bearing with us in this long episode.
That was a lot of harsh content and a lot of hard things to listen to.
Again, I always stand by the fact that I want to include every victim because they deserve
to have their stories told.
I don't think that your phrasing was appropriate as well.
We try to be respectful with things like that.
I want to say something really ugly.
Still, it's a lot of stuff.
It's hard to listen to, especially when it's back to back like that.
I think the last one that I had that was back to back like that was Patrick Kearney.
At one point, you were like, God, are we done with this?
I know.
I was like, I know.
That was a two-parter and you stopped at the last victim, I think, because there was
still an hour.
It was still an hour.
Yeah, it was an hour, hour and some change.
Yeah, but I don't know.
He had a terrible childhood.
Don't get me wrong.
But he also had an older brother and we always say that.
It's like, why is one person the rotten apple and the other one's not?
They both had terrible childhoods and it's so unfortunate, but you can't feel bad for
the adult that made these decisions.
He literally said, I want to kill prostitutes and that's what I'm going to do.
And then that's what he did.
He didn't just self-defense one day and then killed it kind of like Eileen Warnows and
then realized he liked it.
It was like his intention going into it.
God, it's awful.
I don't know about his psyche.
I mean, it's definitely, I think it's definitely a lot of nurture on this end.
Yeah, I think it's a lot of nurture too.
I feel like, yeah.
And again, you know, and I know that I joked at the beginning about middle child syndrome,
but I mean, if...
Oh yeah, he had a younger brother too.
Yeah, but you know, these other kids are probably, I don't know, maybe he thought that they were
experiencing something or from his perspective, he was experiencing something different than
his other two siblings.
Yeah.
And then he realized why he felt the need to act out more.
Yeah, definitely.
I don't know.
Well, man, it was fun hanging out with you, my butt's asleep.
Mine too.
That was a doozy.
I'm starving.
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Whether you're looking for a personalized pillow or a meaningful photo collage, CanvasPrince
offers artist quality at affordable prices.
With easy to use design tools and state of the art printing capabilities, they help you
create masterpieces that will last a lifetime without breaking the budget.
To make the memories, CanvasPrince will help you keep them.
Click the link in the show notes below for free shipping on orders of $49 or more between
now and February 5th.