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Hello! Hello!

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Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer. My name is Kenna.

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I'm Koelle.

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And... get... fukin' ready.

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This is gonna be a doozy.

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A doozy. It's a doozy. It's a doozy.

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First off, I just want to shout everyone out lately that's been messaging us and emailing us.

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And, you know, just sending us texts and stuff if y'all have our personal contact.

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We've been getting a lot of really cool messages and stuff, especially on Instagram.

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We've heard from, you know, a couple different podcasts that have reached out to us, which is really cool.

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And Brady from MoveVacation, the podcast that we've plugged a couple of times ago,

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messaged and said that he was glad that you put the rocky comment in the Son of Sam episode,

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because he was like, I didn't know anyone else knew that.

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Like, that's a really cool, you know, addition to the show and everything like that.

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So I got to chat with him for a minute.

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But thank you guys so much for continuously reaching out and downloading and donating to the Patreon and all that good stuff.

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Again, just to remind everyone, all of our handles are at Diagnosing a Killer,

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with the exception of Twitter, which is at Killer Diagnosis.

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Email is the same thing at Diagnosing a Killer and then patreon.com.

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Just to remind everybody, our sponsor links are going to be in the description below.

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So if anybody wants to get some good Valentine's Day goodies, or if you want to be a sponsor, just email us.

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And yeah, we'll talk about it.

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Did you take your sandals back?

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No, there's two pairs. I gave you my extra pair.

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Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm wearing shoes right now.

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With socks.

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Jandals with socks.

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Jandals with socks.

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Are jandals like Jesus sandals?

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Yeah.

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Okay. Yeah, because that's definitely what they look like.

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These are my favorite.

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Dang, I was like really cold and I sat down and now I'm hot.

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It gets warm in here really quick.

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Well, I hope everyone is ready.

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I'm sure that you know who we're going to be talking about if you clicked on this episode,

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because it says it in the title.

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But as per usual, Coelle does not know who I'm talking about.

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And this is going to be a fucking doozy.

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Like I said that earlier, but I am being real real with it.

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I want to throw a huge content warning over this episode.

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I'll put it in the show notes as well.

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But this is a lot of victims that we have.

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And it's going to probably be about 30, good 30 minutes of me just listing victims back to back to back.

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So I know that is a lot of content.

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We will do our best to kind of insert some chatter here and there.

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So it's not just, you know, all of that for an hour.

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But it does get a little heavy as far as the amount of victims.

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And it's not super graphic with the MO or anything like that, but it's just a lot of victims and a lot of content.

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Okay.

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So just let everyone know.

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Now I'm curious.

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I know.

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Like who else could it be?

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All right. So without further ado, we are going to get right into the case.

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Today we are going to be talking about Gary Leon Ridgway, a.k.a. the Green River Killer.

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Oh, Green River.

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Okay. Not who I thought you were going to be bringing.

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Oh, really?

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I'm still excited.

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So we talk about Green River a lot.

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I feel like he's come up on a lot of episodes.

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You're like, was that Green River?

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No, was that Green River?

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Like I don't remember what he did.

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So I'm going to tell you what he did because this guy is a fucking monster.

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And it's a lot.

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Again, just so that everyone knows.

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Is there any other aliases?

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Not that I read.

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He doesn't have a list of cool nicknames.

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I like the following.

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How about you?

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Oh my God.

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That's one of my favorites.

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So Gary Leon Ridgway was born on February 18, 1949 in Salt Lake City, Utah to Thomas Newton Ridgway and Mary Rita Ridgway.

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He was the second of three boys, his older brother being Gregory Ridgway born in 1948 and younger brother being Thomas Edward Ridgway born in 1951.

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Got to love a middle child syndrome.

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Already like doomed.

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His father Thomas was a bus driver while his mother Mary was a sales clerk at JCPenney.

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The boys unfortunately had a less than perfect childhood with their parents frequently arguing in front of them and his mother being described as domineering by multiple relatives.

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So she wore the pants.

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In the 50s.

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In the 50s.

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She wore the pants.

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It was noted that all three of the boys and the father alike suffered verbal, physical and sexual abuse at the hands of Mary.

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Really domineering.

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Oh no. How far apart were the boys? I'm sorry.

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All within a year of each other. It was like 1948, 1949 and then 1951.

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So they're all really close in age.

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The only reason I ask is because after Menendez they were pretty, well I wouldn't say very close in age.

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Well they were about three, two, three years apart.

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Just how much you can like want to lean on one another if you're all experiencing the same thing.

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Now it's not clear if all of them suffered all types of this abuse, but she was noted as being the alpha of the family and just really taking advantage of again her sons and her husband alike.

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Since the father Thomas was a bus driver, he would be around town most of the day.

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And a young Gary remembers him frequently complaining about the presence of sex workers in the area that they lived.

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He would complain like there's a lot of people on the streets and there's sex workers.

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And he would say some really ugly things about their lifestyle and how they make money and all that stuff.

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So when Gary was 11, the family moved to C-Tac, Washington where they would spend most of the kids time growing up.

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Oh, that doesn't make sense.

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I guess it kind of made sense when I wrote it weird.

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Wait, what did you want to read again?

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Where they would spend most of the kids time growing up.

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I mean it makes sense kind of, but I shouldn't.

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Where the kids would spend most of their time growing up.

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Yeah, most of the kids time.

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Most of the kids time.

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And constantly slitter warning throughout.

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Slitter warning throughout.

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I listened to that the other day too.

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So funny.

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When Gary was 11, the family moved to C-Tac, Washington and Washington.

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I say it.

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C-Tac, Washington.

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Like you have a vendetta against Washington.

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Like I had to like, I was like reporting that.

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Washington.

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This is where the kids would spend most of their time growing up.

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I'm not going to say it again.

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Now we've talked about the McDonald's Triad a lot.

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One of the three criterion, Gary had a problem with bedwetting as a child and up until he was 13 years old.

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Wow.

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Now, if anyone hasn't listened to that episode about that, the McDonald's Triad again is three things that will suggest that someone will be a serial offender later in life.

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And it is bedwetting past a certain age.

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And if it's later than the age of 10, it's usually a sign of either sexual abuse or this McDonald's Triad.

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Which in this case, it's kind of both.

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It's both.

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Unfortunately.

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What are the other two?

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The other two are animal abuse and arson.

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Like setting small fires.

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Are we getting there?

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Yes, we are actually.

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Content warning for this next part.

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This does have to do with sexual abuse on a child.

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Gary would later relay that whenever he would wet the bed, his mother would punish him by putting him in a cold bath.

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And she would also force him to let her wash his genitals for him until the age of 13.

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That's so old.

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Yeah, that's really old for that.

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I mean, obviously it's a baby.

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They can't do it themselves, but it's so ugly.

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Due to this abuse by his mother, Gary developed conflicting feelings of anger and sexual attraction to his mother at a young age.

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Even showing signs of an edipus complex.

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But also he would fantasize about killing her because she was quote a big problem.

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Because she was just so hostile.

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He was just conflicted because he's experiencing this sexual abuse, but also this anger and verbal abuse.

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He's like, it's terrible.

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And those are like formative years for them.

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You know, Gary attended Chinook Junior High School and Tai Yi High School in SITAC, where he was known for being socially well adapted by his classmates.

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Those are weird words.

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Yeah, all of those words.

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Tai Yi High School in SITAC.

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Content warning.

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It is known that during this time, he also experimented with arson and was also noted as killing a cat by trapping it in a freezer.

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I know.

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That's awful.

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But already he's meeting the full criterion for the McDonald's Triad.

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You can see where this is going.

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I mean, it's not called diagnosing a divorce.

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Yeah, it's not called diagnosing a divorce.

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It's also not diagnosing this child that eventually sought help and then everything was hunky dory.

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Happily ever after.

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Happily ever after.

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That's terrible.

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And it sucks because like he had it, I mean, as we see with most of the people that we talk about, they had it really fucking shitty growing up.

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So yeah, I mean, it's not on the child to seek help.

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Yeah, of course.

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But everybody else, you know, be standing up and saying something at this point.

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Although he was a troubled kid on the inside, his classmates described him as the opposite of whatever we would hear, social, nice and well-liked.

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Gary was not the brightest student, however, and his older brother Gregory was actually widely regarded as the most accomplished sibling outshining Gary.

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I love that.

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Do you remember Robert Bridella's dad, like, idolized his older son and he like wanted to disown his other son that he named after himself?

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Like, he's like, I know I named you after me like Robert Jr., but like, your other son's, my other son's better than you.

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But he's like so much better.

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What the hell?

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By like miles.

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Gary actually had an IQ of 82.

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So that's like, right?

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The average was 100.

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So it's lower than average.

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Yeah, I think the, it's like 75, I think is considered a need of assistance.

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He actually reported suffering from dyslexia, paving the way for him to be held back a year in high school.

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In high school, I feel like that's so late to be diagnosed with dyslexia.

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That's usually something that happens in like elementary school.

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When you start to read and write.

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So I'm not sure maybe it just like, he had it, it was undiagnosed and then it just like really was affecting him.

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I'm sure nobody paid attention to his homework.

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So content warning.

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At the age of 16, Gary came across a six year old boy that was dressed up as a cowboy and playing with a stick in a wooded area near his home.

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Gary asked the young boy if he wanted to go build a fort and moments later, Gary stabbed the boy with a folding knife in his abdomen, puncturing through his ribs and into his liver.

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Well, that escalated quickly.

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Yeah, he's 16.

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Again, already met the McDonald Triad, so he's clearly been having these thoughts and the frustration towards his mother, not making it okay.

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But at 16.

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And he just, he happened upon this kid, he said playing in a wooded area.

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It's just not like in the front yard or anything.

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No, but it's just a neighborhood kid.

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Like see me like one of his neighbors.

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He was walking around with that knife on purpose.

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Oh, of course.

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He's either going to kill a person or an animal.

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Or an animal.

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Maybe that's why he went to the woods to find an animal.

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The six year old boy was noted as saying, quote, why did you kill me as blood rushed into his cowboy boots?

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Gary walked away laughing as the boy bled out, later admitting, quote, I always wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone.

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The six year old boy suffered serious injuries, but ultimately survived the attack.

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Let's see if I can take a deep breath.

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That's so awful though.

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That is awful.

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Having to be a six year old having to say, why did you kill me?

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Like he has no concept of what that really means.

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So awful.

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Around this same time, Gary was noted as sexually assaulting a girl at school, but he was never suspected for or arrested for either of these crimes, the stabbing or the sexual assault.

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This is like the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this case.

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Like it is going to be a heavy case.

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I'm still warning everyone.

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16.

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Yeah.

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It took me a month to research this because I kept having to stop.

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I was like, okay, I can't keep going with this.

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Throughout high school, Gary was still the same socially acceptable, charming, quote unquote, normal kid, even having no trouble finding dates or girlfriends.

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Okay, Bundy.

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Right.

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Gary graduated from high school in 1969 at 20 years old and married his high school sweetheart, 19 year old Claudia Craig shortly after graduating.

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There it is.

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There it is.

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It's always the quick marriage.

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I know.

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But he graduated, okay, so he graduated two years late.

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Essentially.

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I think he was just an older kid because he was only held back one year and then he just had like 20.

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Oh, I see.

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Okay.

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I just can't believe being the like, like I'm the only 20 year old.

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Like, I don't know.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then he just met, he met homegirl at high school.

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Yeah.

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And just straight up married her.

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Married her to us.

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All right.

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Well, scooped her right on up.

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And what was her name?

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Claudia Craig.

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Okay, Claudia.

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I see you, Claudia.

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You always say it like it's their fault.

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All right, Claudia, we see you.

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We see you, Claudia.

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Where's the poop, Claudia?

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Shortly after getting married, Gary was drafted to the United States Army and left for Vietnam,

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where he served on board a supply ship and witnessed intense combat.

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That's totally healthy for somebody who's already experiencing this shit.

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It's totally healthy.

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During the two years he was in the military, Gary was known to have had sex with multiple sex workers

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and ultimately contracted gonorrhea because of his antics.

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Who does that sound like?

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Percovitz.

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Yeah.

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I was thinking that too.

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I was like, oh my God.

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Oh, Burke.

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God, that's awful.

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And the fact that he's utilizing sex workers for this, it's like, whoa, your dad said that

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sex workers were like, you know, not good.

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He's all angry about them.

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So the fact that he's like participating in that is interesting to me.

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Right.

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Well, you know, I think about that sometimes too when it's like the pendulum swings the

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other way and it's like, well, what's so bad about this?

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I need to figure it out on my own.

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And it's true.

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Kind of the same way with, I mean, people that abuse drugs.

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Sometimes people that are drug addicts are people that grew up with parents that were

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like completely straight, you know, things like that.

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That's like put everybody in a bucket.

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But what I'm saying is that sometimes the temptation is what kind of makes you want

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to do it because you've been told no your whole life and you're like, well, what's so

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wrong with that?

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Yeah, let me figure it out.

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I figured this out.

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I figured this out on my own.

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Get gonorrhea.

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Get gonorrhea.

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Although Gary was angered by the fact that he had contracted this STD, he continued to

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have unprotected sex with many different women.

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And before he returned home, him and Claudia would divorce.

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So she, I guess he like told her she found out or something.

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No, he, he left.

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She was at home.

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He left.

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He got it.

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He left her like via the phone or writing or whatever.

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Well, he was still over in Vietnam.

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Yeah.

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Oh, okay.

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So before he would return home, she would be like gone pretty much.

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Probably because of the gonorrhea.

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Probably so, I would imagine.

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After returning home, some time had passed with Gary working as a truck painter, but

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ultimately falling into another quick marriage with a woman named Marcia Lorraine Brown in

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1973.

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All right.

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Claudia's off the hook, but Marcia.

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Yeah.

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I see you, girl.

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I see you, girl.

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We see you.

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A few years into their marriage in 1975, the couple would offer, would offer a baby boy.

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Why I said offer?

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Offer up their baby boy to the gonorrhea gods to get rid of it.

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They would welcome a baby boy.

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I don't know where the term offer came from.

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They had a baby boy named Matthew.

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Matthew Richie.

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God, in 1975.

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Okay.

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The birth of his son showed Gary a new way of looking at the world, and he was noted

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as becoming devoutly religious around the same time.

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We've heard that before too.

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He was known to go door to door reading the word to anyone who would listen.

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He would read the Bible aloud at work and at home, and he was also very insistent that

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Marcia become as involved as he was in his faith.

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Presumed.

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Yeah.

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So she wants her to like, it gives you a call me the kernel, like she wants her to be as

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religious as he gets.

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You have to call him Jesus Christ.

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Gary was also known to frequently cry after sermons or reading the Bible and would follow

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the strict teachings of his pastor to a T.

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Oh, I could not hang.

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I could not.

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I couldn't.

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Like, bro, don't shove your shit down my throat.

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I'm sorry.

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I could not hang that way, no.

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Despite his extreme religious beliefs, Gary was also continuing to solicit sex workers

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during this time.

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And even tried to encourage Marcia to participate in sex in public and inappropriate places.

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What?

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I am the best Christian in the world.

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Let me hire a sex worker.

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Yeah.

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Did anybody talk to you about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ just hanging out the door?

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That's disgusting.

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Yeah.

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Oh my.

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This is kind of gross.

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It was later.

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It hasn't been gross yet, but go ahead.

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It's all gross.

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None of this is gross yet.

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He even offered up his baby.

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It was later.

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No, this is actually kind of morbid, sorry.

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It was later discovered that some of these places that he wanted to do the deed with

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his wife were in the same places his future victims would be found.

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Yeah.

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Like he had a favorite park bench or I don't know if he like knew when he was going to

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have victims and put them there later or if he was like, I remember this spot.

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My wife wouldn't have chosen me here.

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Let me just do this here.

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You know, the real world.

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It's the real world.

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Like, I don't know.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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But either way, you like these maybe because they were secluded locations.

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Yeah.

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I think I found them to be quite serene perhaps.

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Terrible deed for the serene area.

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No, of course.

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Along with all of his other bizarre behaviors, Marcia claimed that Gary also put her in

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a chokehold at one point during this same time period, like in an argument seemingly.

403
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Oh my gosh.

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Or during sex.

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Yeah.

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Well, funny you say that because according to the women in his life, Gary had an aggressively

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insatiable sexual appetite.

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His past wives and girlfriends would later tell forces that he demanded sex from them

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multiple times a day, often in public areas or in the woods.

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Hmm.

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Gross.

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Gary later admitted that he had a strange fixation with sex workers, but he also had

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a love-hate relationship with them because I guess his father out of the-

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And the gonorrhea.

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And the gonorrhea.

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Yeah.

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He would frequently complain about their presence in his neighborhood, similarly to his father,

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but often seek out their services as well.

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Gary, you're the one that's-

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Like, you're the one that's-

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Gary, you're inviting them into the neighborhood, bro.

422
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,160
What are you talking about?

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They're there for you.

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They're there for you.

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They're looking for you.

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He would later claim that he did not want anything to do with the sex-working community,

427
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but some people believe that he was simply torn between his sexual urges and his religious

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beliefs, causing him to retract his statements like all the time.

429
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Oh, baby.

430
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:29,720
I know.

431
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:30,720
He's just so torn.

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He just doesn't know who he is.

433
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:32,720
I don't know what to do.

434
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I want to be good, but I can't.

435
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,720
I want to be good, but I can't.

436
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:42,280
All these prostitutes in my neighborhood, I don't know what to do.

437
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,280
I went to Tai-E High School.

438
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:52,320
I went to Tai-E High School, and she got a goodoo.

439
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Stop paying them, Gary.

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They won't come around.

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For real.

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So, the next several years are kind of like a blank spot in Gary's life, but it is believed

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that he just laid low and worked the same job during this time.

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We're now going to be into 1970.

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00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,720
So it's believed that Gary Ridgway could have committed his heinous crimes as early as 1970,

446
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,760
but there is no concrete evidence to support that idea.

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00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:21,760
However, in 1980, Gary was arrested for allegedly choking a prostitute, but no charges were

448
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,440
filed after he claimed that the woman had bit him and it was self-defense.

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I'm sorry.

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00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:27,440
Yeah, like that.

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00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,400
Montt, and then you're just like, for real.

452
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,320
You punch somebody at a self-defense.

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You don't hit them with something.

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00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,640
You don't strangle them.

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00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,080
That's weird.

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Eight years into their marriage in 1981, Marcia had had enough of Gary's bizarre behavior,

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and she filed for divorce.

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Go for you, Marcia.

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Newly single, lonely, and angry, Gary began to change focus from religion to crime.

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In 1982, Gary was arrested and charged with soliciting sex work, but it seems like he

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00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,400
was able to make bail or got off on small charges because he didn't serve any time,

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like jail time for this offense at all.

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After being released, Gary began what would become nearly a decade-long killing spree,

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totaling at least 71 victims during this time.

465
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Oh my gosh.

466
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:21,520
That's a lot.

467
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That's a lot.

468
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That's why I said this episode, the fucking lot.

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With his anger towards sex workers and his rage inside, Gary decided that he would take

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out his anger on the sex work community.

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We've heard this before.

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He figured they were vulnerable members of society who were often avoiding the police

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due to how they made a living.

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But Gary did not just want to engage in rough sex with them.

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He wanted to kill as many as he could.

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00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,520
He went in with that idea, like, I'm not just going to hire these people, and it was an

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impulsive decision.

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He's like, I'm going to kill these people.

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It's all premeditated.

480
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Yeah.

481
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,240
Exactly.

482
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Now, this is where I'm going to start listening to victims.

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Again, this is a lot of content back to back, so bear with me.

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We'll take short breaks in between, but just to let everyone know.

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Content warning.

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Also, another content warning.

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The youngest victim is as young as 14, just to let everyone know.

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14 and up.

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Gary's first confirmed victim was 16-year-old Wendy Lee Cofield, who was living in foster

490
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,000
care at the time of her murder and engaging in sex work.

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In July 1982, Wendy had run away from her foster home and was on the streets when Gary

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picked her up off of State Route 99 in King County, Washington.

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She's a child.

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His emo remained the same throughout his entire murder career.

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He would sometimes show victims a photo of his son to make himself appear harmless and

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then trick them into trusting him.

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What an ass.

498
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So fucking disgusting that you would use your child to murder people.

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00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,560
It gets worse.

500
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,640
It was even noted that he would pick up the girls sometimes after picking up his son from

501
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:02,400
school and engage in sex with them in the car while Matthew was there.

502
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,760
What the fuck?

503
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,280
When he was a baby.

504
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,880
It's noted, I saw it in two different sources, that one source said it happened once, other

505
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,880
sources said it happened multiple times, but either fucking way, that's disgusting.

506
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,400
Yeah, it doesn't matter if it happens once or ten times.

507
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,400
It's just awful.

508
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,760
They're like, oh, look at my cute son in the back.

509
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,760
We're just a harmless, you know, father, son duo.

510
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,360
He's just a mush head, don't worry about him.

511
00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:31,200
Oh, he used to call my son a mush head when he was little, little, like, because they're

512
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,760
just like little mushy sponges.

513
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:33,760
Yeah.

514
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,760
So they're just so squishy.

515
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,520
Yeah, so I used to call him a mush head.

516
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,520
It's a little mush head.

517
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,680
That's funny.

518
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,760
But they're still capable of retaining memory.

519
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,080
No, yeah, for sure.

520
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,080
And this is absolutely awful.

521
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,840
I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna throw another content warning out here since we broke the

522
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,520
ice a little bit there.

523
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,400
He would then either bring them back to his house or engage in sexual activity elsewhere,

524
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,760
where he would initiate sex with them while himself being behind the woman.

525
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,720
Like that was like the way that he kind of got the upper hand, if you will.

526
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,360
After several minutes of intercourse, Gary would reach forward and wrap his forearm around

527
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:14,200
the woman's neck, using the other arm to pull it backwards as hard as he could, strangling

528
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,080
them in the process.

529
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,080
And killing them?

530
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,080
That's terrifying.

531
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,080
Yeah.

532
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,080
Yeah.

533
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,080
Oh, God.

534
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:28,240
It is suspected that this is the same fate that Wendy met during her time with him.

535
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,960
Wendy was found on July 15th, floating in the Green River, completely nude with her clothes

536
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,800
wrapped tightly around her neck.

537
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,640
Gary's second victim, Giselle and Lowvorn, disappeared just two days after Wendy's body

538
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,840
was found, her body being discovered similarly to Wendy's.

539
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:52,520
Deborah Lynn Bonner, 22, went missing in late July of 1982, shortly after these two girls

540
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,120
were killed, and she was also discovered in the Green River.

541
00:25:56,120 --> 00:26:01,280
A total of five victims were found in the Green River, and they were actually named as the

542
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,840
Green River Murders, but when they realized that he was killing more, they dubbed him

543
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,840
the Green River Killer.

544
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:08,840
Okay, yeah.

545
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:09,840
So it wasn't...

546
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:15,560
So they thought it might have been like, oh, these five women and then no more, but

547
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,240
he's an active killer now, so they call him a killer.

548
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,680
And I'm sure that we've already noticed a bunch of dates and stuff.

549
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,680
Every victim that I've listed, I listed the date that they went missing and then the date

550
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,680
that they were found, so I'll be as clear as I can, but just to let everyone know, there's

551
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,360
going to be a lot of dates thrown around.

552
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,280
Yeah, it's going to be kind of overlapping.

553
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,280
Yeah, kind of.

554
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:40,360
Because it's really telling how long it took them to be found.

555
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:41,880
That's why I wanted to include that.

556
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,520
Yeah, that was from July to September on one of those.

557
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,240
Yeah.

558
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,400
And just to let everyone know as well, I know I've said content warning a bunch of times,

559
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,040
but this next part is fucking disgusting, like out of a horror book, so just to let everyone

560
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,520
know.

561
00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:00,040
The difference in these two murders from Wendy's, however, was that they were not just strangled

562
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:05,720
and dumped, but they actually had rocks placed inside of their genitals.

563
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,880
Gary later confessed that he did this because he would come back to the deceased bodies

564
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,840
and sexually defile them multiple times after dumping them.

565
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,200
It's like Ted Bundy.

566
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,400
It's fucking gross.

567
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,400
It's disgusting.

568
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,280
It's just, I literally can't even fucking imagine the smell.

569
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,840
Do you, yeah, just, I don't understand.

570
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,840
I don't understand.

571
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:29,840
The shock.

572
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:30,840
Yeah.

573
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,920
Yeah.

574
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,320
He also later explained that he did not find necrophilia more sexually satisfying

575
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:41,320
than regular sex, but that having sex with the deceased reduced his need to obtain a

576
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,320
living victim, thus limiting his risk of being caught.

577
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,840
Oh, so he's a fucking hero.

578
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:46,840
Yeah.

579
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:47,840
He's a fucking hero.

580
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,340
At least I'm not taking like a live people.

581
00:27:49,340 --> 00:27:50,340
Another life.

582
00:27:50,340 --> 00:27:51,340
Yeah.

583
00:27:51,340 --> 00:27:55,400
Like I'm just defiling the bodies of my previous victims.

584
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,400
Yeah.

585
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,400
That's disgusting.

586
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,400
Oh my God.

587
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,400
That is so gross.

588
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:00,400
I know.

589
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,400
It's really, it's really awful.

590
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:03,400
Yeah.

591
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,800
This guy is a mess.

592
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,080
On top of taking this precaution, he would also frequently leave cigarette butts and

593
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:16,120
gum at the sites of his victims, even though he didn't smoke, just to throw detectives

594
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:17,120
off of his trail.

595
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,120
Oh, we're looking for a smoker.

596
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,520
He's like, I don't smoke.

597
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,240
And I don't chew gum.

598
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,640
I came here to smoke cigarettes and chew gum.

599
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,640
I'm a lot of gum.

600
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,000
God, silly.

601
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,440
It's so dumb.

602
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,640
He would sometimes move bodies from their original sites as well in order to confuse

603
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:41,440
investigators because they would maybe find like some sort of remains somewhere than like

604
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,440
others elsewhere.

605
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,440
Yeah.

606
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,360
On August 15th, 1982, three more bodies were found.

607
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:53,960
17-year-old Cynthia Jean Hines was found naked in the shallow water along with the body

608
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,800
of 31-year-old Marcia Faye Chapman.

609
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,800
But not his ex-wife.

610
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,920
Not his ex-wife, but still.

611
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:01,920
Okay.

612
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,280
But yeah, that's, wow, what a weird connection.

613
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:10,920
Nearby in the undergrowth lay the body of Opal Charmaine Mills, 16, with blue shorts

614
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:17,400
knotted around her neck, her breasts exposed, and with bruises on her arms and legs.

615
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,160
Detective David Reichert was one of the first to arrive on the scene.

616
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,680
Now let's remember that name because he comes back way later, but he is one of the first

617
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,160
to arrive on this scene and he follows this guy through the entire process.

618
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,560
I already forgot what his name was.

619
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:31,560
David Reichert.

620
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,560
David Reichert?

621
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,560
Yeah.

622
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,560
David Reichert.

623
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,560
David Reichert.

624
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:41,680
The following day, August 16th, the King County Sheriff's Office set up the Green River Task

625
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,280
Force to investigate the killings.

626
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,800
Now they were already serious about it.

627
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,800
Oh yeah.

628
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,120
And the body count continued to rise.

629
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,640
More victims being discovered along the river and in the areas around the Seattle Tacoma

630
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,800
International Airport.

631
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,440
So he has now two common dump sites, if you will.

632
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,440
Okay.

633
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,440
So why aren't they patrolling him?

634
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,440
Right.

635
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,440
I don't know.

636
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,800
I guess along the river I guess that can be like anywhere along the river.

637
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,480
That's why Dadaways loves that.

638
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:12,200
Oh, we're gonna hit up this place that's known to be a crack then and it's like, well,

639
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,320
if it's a known crack then, why aren't you doing anything about it?

640
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,320
Exactly.

641
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,320
It's a known drug house.

642
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,240
Oh shit.

643
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,640
Along with David Reichert, Robert Keppel was also lead on this task force and the two

644
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,440
put together made an amazing team.

645
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,160
Unfortunately, the team could only do so much and Gary Ridgway was able to keep killing

646
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,640
for many years, his victim count reaching nearly 40 at this point.

647
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,640
What?

648
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,840
Reichert said about the findings of the bodies, quote, every time you found a body, it was

649
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,360
like being hit on the head with a baseball bat.

650
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,940
Now I'm gonna continue with the victims.

651
00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:52,300
On August 29th, 1982, Terri Renee Milligan, 16, disappeared.

652
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:55,560
She was living with a boyfriend at the time of her disappearance and was last seen near

653
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,160
South 144th Street and Pacific Highway South.

654
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,840
Her body was found on April 1st of 84, so two years later.

655
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,480
The victim of a homicide at the hands of Gary.

656
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:13,040
On September 15th, 1982, 18 year old Mary Bridget Mehan was on a walk when she was picked

657
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,120
up by Gary, never to be seen again.

658
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:22,240
The remains were found a year and two months after her disappearance near Tai Yi golf course.

659
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:28,240
On September 20th, so just five days later, Deborah Lorraine Estes, 15, had run away from

660
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,320
home when she was picked up by Gary Ridgeway.

661
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,440
Her body was found in June of 88, so six years later.

662
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,200
And she left behind a younger sister.

663
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:43,280
She also had an older brother named Luther that had died in an auto accident before she

664
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,280
ran away.

665
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,280
What?

666
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,280
That's so sad.

667
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,400
So their parents lost two babies, I know.

668
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,640
Like within a year.

669
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,320
Yeah, I mean she disappeared.

670
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,920
Her body wasn't found for six years, but she was gone.

671
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,720
Oh my gosh, I know.

672
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,920
Do you think there's a reason that he's seeking out specifically these younger people, other

673
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,680
than there was a 31 year old victim, but other than that they're all-

674
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,680
Oh, teenage runaways.

675
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,120
He doesn't think anyone's going to come looking for them.

676
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,120
That's true.

677
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,240
Do you think he asks first how old they are?

678
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,440
I don't think, I think he just liked younger looking people maybe.

679
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,280
But what is the connection do you think for him?

680
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,680
High school sucked, so he likes that era?

681
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,400
I think he hated women because his mom.

682
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,400
Yeah.

683
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,840
I think maybe because he was young at the time that she was still assaulting him, maybe

684
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,920
that's why he targeted young people.

685
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,360
He didn't like sex workers because of his dad.

686
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:39,280
Or maybe he was uncomfortable with himself enjoying the company of sex workers and so

687
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,600
he killed them so that no one else found out that he was doing it.

688
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,600
That's true.

689
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:44,600
There's a bunch of different reasons.

690
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:45,600
There's clearly a pedophile too, so.

691
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:46,600
Yeah, of course.

692
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,520
But yeah, no, I find that really interesting because there's always that-

693
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,320
It's always one of those things, I don't necessarily trust somebody that doesn't have

694
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,000
people their own age that they hang out with.

695
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,000
Yeah, of course.

696
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,240
And so it's kind of just one of those things.

697
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,440
There's definitely somebody that I used to know that only hangs out with people that

698
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,880
are 18, 19, 20.

699
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,040
That's so gross.

700
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,840
I don't hang out with those age people.

701
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:12,840
Yeah.

702
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:13,840
And he's in his 30s.

703
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,400
It's like, you know, it just shows your maturity level is what I'm saying.

704
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,400
Of course.

705
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,400
Yeah.

706
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,400
I think so too.

707
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,920
Yeah, but clearly he's not in it for long term relationship.

708
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,520
I'm just saying, you know, that Gary seems like it just-

709
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,440
What I'm saying is that it's trying to recapture something, but I just kind of wish that I

710
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,720
knew a little bit more about like why.

711
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,080
Yeah, well his psyche is very odd again, but he has that low IQ.

712
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,640
Maybe that's the people that he can relate to the most because his brain is not as developed

713
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:44,640
as someone his age.

714
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,640
That's a very good point.

715
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:46,640
You know?

716
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,640
He was probably a very angry kid in high school too.

717
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:48,640
Oh, for sure.

718
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,760
Yeah, that might be another thing too.

719
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:51,760
Yeah.

720
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:52,760
Interesting.

721
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:58,680
Now on September 26th, 1982, Linda Jane Rule, or Janie, was last seen.

722
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,640
Her body was found in January of 83, so a couple months later, on the campus of Northwest

723
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,440
Hospital.

724
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:11,320
October 8th, 1982, 23-year-old Denise Darcel Bush was last seen, and her remains would not

725
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,760
be found until February of 1990.

726
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,160
Whoa, that's a long time later.

727
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,920
And if we really think about it, I know I'm saying a lot of dates, but like that was September

728
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,800
26th and then October 8th, where two girls went missing.

729
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,840
Like that's less than two weeks in between.

730
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:27,840
Yeah.

731
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,120
And he's kidnapping another person.

732
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,320
Investigators later discovered that some of Denise's remains had been found five years

733
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:42,280
prior in a different location, but they did not find the remainder of her body until 1990.

734
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,960
I said earlier that he would move some of his victims so they could confuse them.

735
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,800
Well, maybe not dismemberment, but after a certain amount of decomposition maybe.

736
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,400
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, because I don't think he dismembered his victims at

737
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,400
all.

738
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,040
Yeah, it doesn't seem like that's a goal of his.

739
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:05,440
The next day, October 9th, 1982, Shonda Lee Summers, 17, was last seen along Pacific Highway

740
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,120
South near 144th.

741
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,080
That was where another girl was last seen recently.

742
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,720
It took nearly a month for her to be reported as a missing person, and her body was found

743
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:19,240
about 10 months later just north of C-TAC airport.

744
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:23,520
Not sure why it took her longer than others to be reported, but again, these are potential

745
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,520
runaways.

746
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,920
Their sex workers are probably not checking in every day at home.

747
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:28,920
That's true.

748
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,040
And not just checking in every day at home, but it could be like, I'm going to go stay

749
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,560
with my friend for a few weeks.

750
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:33,560
Yeah, exactly.

751
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,760
And they think the other parents think they're safe or whatever, and in reality they've run

752
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:38,760
away.

753
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:39,760
Yeah.

754
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:45,240
Sometime between October 20th and 22nd, 18-year-old Shirley Marie Sherrill was last seen after

755
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:48,920
having lunch with a friend in Seattle's International District.

756
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:54,840
Her remains were found nearly two years later in June of 1984 alongside those of Denise

757
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:55,840
Bush.

758
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,280
Okay, so twice.

759
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:03,280
There's been already multiple sites that have had multiple victims as well.

760
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,880
But since they were found so much longer in the future, who knows what kind of remains

761
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,840
they were.

762
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,480
On December 3rd, 1982, 20-year-old mother Rebecca Becky Marrero disappeared around

763
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,000
South 216th and Pacific Highway South.

764
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,520
Her remains were found next to another victim.

765
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,520
She was reportedly friends with previous victim Deborah Estes.

766
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,360
So I don't know if he knew that or not, but...

767
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,840
I think that was Andre Cicatillo, right?

768
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,760
He kidnapped a girl and then kidnapped her friend later, too.

769
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,920
Yeah, I remember that.

770
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:45,760
December 24th, 1982, Christmas Eve, Colleen Renee Brockman, 15, and Sandra Denise Major,

771
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,360
20, were both reported missing in two separate calls to police.

772
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,760
It is unclear whether these girls knew each other or not, but it seems as if they didn't

773
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:54,760
know each other.

774
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,200
They just happened to be reported missing on the same day.

775
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,200
Okay.

776
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,200
15-year-old Colleen had run away from home where she lived with her father and brother

777
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,080
and was currently living on the streets at the time of her disappearance.

778
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:11,680
Unfortunately, she met Gary Ridgway and she became his 15th victim.

779
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,000
Her remains were found on May 26th, 1984, so a couple years later.

780
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:22,600
20-year-old Sandra Denise Major was last seen getting into a truck near North 90th Street

781
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,800
and Aurora Avenue North.

782
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,400
Her body was found down a steep embankment on the outskirts of Mountain View Cemetery

783
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:37,240
in Auburn on December 30th, 1985, so three years after her disappearance.

784
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:38,240
Everyone take a deep breath.

785
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:41,080
I know, it's a lot.

786
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:46,320
Dolores Laverne Williams, 17, is known to have disappeared around 2 p.m. on February

787
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:52,640
6th, 1983 at Rainier Avenue South and South Ferdinand Street at a bus stop outside the

788
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:53,640
red line.

789
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:54,800
There's a lot of information about that one.

790
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,600
Oh my gosh, a lot of information.

791
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:02,040
Her remains were found on March 31st, 1984, so about a year later, alongside three other

792
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,720
victims near Star Lake Road in South King County.

793
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:08,520
He's just doubling up, tripling up.

794
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,280
I guarantee you, he's like, well no one's found this body yet, let me just dump this

795
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,760
one in the same spot.

796
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:13,760
It makes sense.

797
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,800
But then it's like, okay, if somebody finds one, then they're gonna find all.

798
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:17,800
Yeah.

799
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,800
Which is a little stupid.

800
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,640
But they didn't find them for years after this, so it's like he's long gone at that

801
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,080
point.

802
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:29,360
She was identified via dental records, actually, after Gary confessed to her murder in 2003.

803
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,960
Oh, it's a little bit of a hint, huh?

804
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,040
We'll get to that.

805
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:39,640
On March 3rd, 1983, 18-year-old Alma Ann Smith was last seen on Pacific Highway South

806
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,000
when she ran into the infamous killer.

807
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,800
Gary later admitted taking Alma to his home and strangling her there, unfortunately ending

808
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,120
her life.

809
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:53,520
He left her body in the woods that same evening, and she was found on April 2nd, 1984.

810
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,200
So about a year later.

811
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:01,760
On April 10th, 1983, 23-year-old Gail Lynn Matthews was last seen entering a truck along

812
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,000
a highway, and her body was discovered in September of that same year.

813
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,040
But it wasn't identified to be her until two years later.

814
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:16,880
Four days later, on April 14th, 1983, Andrea Marion Childers, 19, was reported missing.

815
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,720
Her body would not be discovered until many years later, in October of 89.

816
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:23,560
I know, it's wild.

817
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,880
We're still in 83 currently, but I keep talking about dates that they're discovered.

818
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,160
I know that everyone's, hopefully I'm not confusing anyone.

819
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,320
Oh, it's just like, it's just overwhelming.

820
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:40,320
On April 17th, 1983, Sandra K. Gabbert, 17, and Kimmy Kye, or Mimi, Pitzer, 16, were

821
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,200
both reported missing by their families.

822
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,760
Sandra was last seen off of Pacific Highway South near South 142nd Street, and her remains

823
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,000
were found a year later at the Star Lake Road area, a wooded, isolated spot.

824
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,760
Sandra was known by many to be a free spirit and a friendly person to all.

825
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,120
Mimi was last seen in downtown Seattle, and her remains were found nine months later outside

826
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:08,160
of Mountain View Cemetery near two other victims.

827
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,040
I'm almost like done listing victims, and then we're going to get back into some other

828
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,680
stuff and then I'm going to go back to victims.

829
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:20,000
On April 30th, 1983, 18-year-old Mary Jane, or Marie M. Malver, was last seen by her boyfriend

830
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:25,040
getting into a paint-patched pickup with a dark-haired man about 30 to 40 years old off

831
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,520
of Pacific Highway South.

832
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,880
So the pickup is consistent at this point.

833
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,280
Marie's boyfriend attempted to follow the truck, sensing that something may be wrong,

834
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,120
but he lost him at an intersection.

835
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,280
Four days later, her boyfriend reported the incident to police, who found the truck parked

836
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,320
less than a half mile away at a house.

837
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:50,080
This house belonged to Gary Ridgway.

838
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,560
Police questioned Gary at his home about his knowledge of Marie, and he stated that he

839
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,320
did not know her or have any information as to whereabouts.

840
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:03,800
Police saw no for the reason to investigate Gary.

841
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:09,640
Marie's remains would not be found for nearly 30 years, next to another victim after Gary

842
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,200
confessed to her murder.

843
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,880
Oh my god, that's...

844
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:15,880
Ugh.

845
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,640
I got that boyfriend felt so bad.

846
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:18,640
Yeah, I know.

847
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:19,640
Isn't that awful?

848
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,080
He followed- he tried to follow the truck and then he lost him.

849
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,080
I know, it's terrible.

850
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:29,040
Okay, this is literally like four days later, and Gary is like already back at it.

851
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,880
Like the police just fucking questioned you.

852
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,480
He's like, oh, got away with it.

853
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:39,360
On May 3rd, 1983, 21-year-old Carol Ann Holman Christensen was last seen after lunch when

854
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,960
she walked out of the Barn Door Tavern on Pacific Avenue South.

855
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,440
We've heard that street name before.

856
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,000
She had been planning on returning later that evening as she was a waitress there and she

857
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,240
had a shift that night.

858
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:55,640
Carol was a young mother separated from her husband, and she was an extremely hard worker,

859
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,640
wanting to give her and her daughter a good life.

860
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:03,080
On Mother's Day, only five days after her disappearance, a family was hunting for some

861
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:08,400
mushrooms in a wooded section of Maple Valley and came across her body, dunked in water

862
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:09,400
and re-clothed backwards.

863
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,400
Which is really interesting.

864
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,400
That's strange.

865
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,400
It is strange.

866
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:19,400
Also underrated heroes, mushroom farmers or whatever, mushroom hunters.

867
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:20,400
Mushroom hunting.

868
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,400
Because it was also when Andre took Attila 2, which is funny that it's like twice in

869
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,400
one episode.

870
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,400
Yeah, it was mushroom hunters that discovered one of the bodies.

871
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,400
Interesting.

872
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,400
Yeah, or they had seen it.

873
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,120
Was it, I don't remember if it's the people that had witnessed him covered in blood or

874
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,120
something.

875
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,360
They had gone into the woods to mushroom hunt.

876
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,640
It's just such a unique thing.

877
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:43,640
It's so innocent.

878
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,040
Yeah, exactly.

879
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,720
Along with her being re-clothed backwards and in the water, she actually had one shoe

880
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,120
on the wrong foot and the other shoe was actually never found.

881
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,440
That's really interesting that he would re-clothe her body.

882
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,960
Yeah, very interesting considering his other victims have been nude.

883
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:03,080
She also had a bag placed over her head.

884
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,680
In addition to this, two cleaned fish were laid across her body.

885
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,400
She had raw sausage wrapped around her and a wine bottle in her hand.

886
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,400
What?

887
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,480
A very interesting scene.

888
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,840
And she was a sex worker?

889
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,160
She wasn't like a, it just, she wasn't the same right?

890
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,720
I don't think, no, she wasn't.

891
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:21,720
She was a waitress.

892
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:26,080
So do you think that maybe it's like, you know what I mean?

893
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,080
You know what I think?

894
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,480
I think that he had just gotten questioned by the fucking police and he couldn't control

895
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,400
this urge and so he had to make it look like it wasn't consistent with his other victims

896
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,400
because they were onto him or whatever.

897
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,640
Yeah, it's because he's so smart.

898
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,840
Yeah, exactly.

899
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,120
I don't think she was a sex worker.

900
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,600
I mean, I said she was a waitress so definitely doesn't fit the MO.

901
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:46,600
Yeah, right?

902
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:47,600
But that's what I was wondering.

903
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,960
I was like, did he treat her body differently because she wasn't a sex worker?

904
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:51,960
Oh, I see what you're saying.

905
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:52,960
Interesting.

906
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:53,960
I'm not sure.

907
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:54,960
That's all I said about her.

908
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,760
But he's got these urges.

909
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:03,360
On May 15th, 18 year old Martina Teresa Otherly was last seen.

910
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,960
Martina was born in Fürth, West Germany while her father was stationed with the US Army.

911
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,000
I don't know if I said that right so I'm sorry.

912
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,000
Anybody listening in Germany?

913
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,000
I think Fürth.

914
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,000
Yes.

915
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,000
Yes.

916
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:19,240
The family lived in Germany from 1965 to 1968 and then they returned to the States and

917
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,240
settled in Washington.

918
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:23,480
Washington.

919
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,840
Martina went to Bethel High School and joined the Army National Guard while she was actually

920
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:28,840
still in high school.

921
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,040
Oh, wow.

922
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,680
She was actually medically discharged before her six-week training was up.

923
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,360
She enjoyed roller skating, basketball, baseball, and absolutely loved swimming.

924
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,120
Oh, so she was super active.

925
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,120
Yeah, for sure.

926
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,120
I love hearing that.

927
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,840
After she was reported as missing, Martina would become unfortunately the 28th victim

928
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,880
of the Green River Killer.

929
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:54,200
The next day on May 23rd, 1983, Cheryl Lee Wimms was last seen in the Central District

930
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:59,640
in Seattle the same day as her 19th birthday.

931
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,520
This was not the first time that her mother Ruth, who was a nurse, unfortunately would

932
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,640
live through this terrible tragedy.

933
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:06,640
No.

934
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:13,080
Cheryl's older sister, Deborah, would disappear under eerily similar circumstances years later.

935
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,320
Was it ever confirmed if it was him?

936
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:20,440
Cheryl's skeletal remains were found just north of Seattle Tacoma International Airport

937
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,520
in 1984.

938
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,920
Deborah was last seen on October 25th, 1990, when she left her apartment to go to a supermarket

939
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,680
on Pacific Highway South.

940
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:35,880
After her disappearance, her car was found abandoned at a Safeway store at South 216

941
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,920
in Pacific Highway.

942
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,440
Deborah was a sex worker and had a substantial criminal record dating back to the 70s for

943
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,920
crimes including auto theft, grand larceny, and prostitution.

944
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,440
Of course, when she was reported missing, Gary Ridgway was listed as a suspect after

945
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,160
he was identified as being at the scene of the victim's last known location.

946
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:01,000
Deborah was never found and Gary has never admitted to being involved in her disappearance.

947
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,440
This case is still cold to this day.

948
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:10,080
Do you think that, because he clearly confesses later, do you think that maybe he just doesn't

949
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,520
remember her, or do you think that he really didn't?

950
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:21,280
I mean, it has to be one or the other, because he was willing to admit to however many ones

951
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,280
that he admitted to.

952
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,280
Right.

953
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,280
Because even, I don't know.

954
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,160
It's like, Gacy kind of did that too, where it was like, oh yeah, that one, I forgot about

955
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,160
that one.

956
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,160
Yeah, I forgot that guy's name.

957
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,120
Yeah, but he pretty much confessed to everything that he could.

958
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,800
Yeah, I think it, I mean, I don't know.

959
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,440
That really is really unfortunate though, because like, her mom's never going to get

960
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:39,440
that justice.

961
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,440
That closure.

962
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:41,440
Yeah.

963
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,440
Gosh, that's crazy.

964
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:43,440
I know.

965
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,600
I feel bad for the mother.

966
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,720
I know me too.

967
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:53,040
On May 31st, Yvonne Shelley Antosh 19 was last seen at the Ben Carroll Motel.

968
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,920
Yvonne came to Washington from Vancouver, British Columbia.

969
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:02,200
There is not much else known about her, however, her body was found just off of Highway 18,

970
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,400
near I-90 about a year later.

971
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,960
Carrie Ann Rios 15 went missing.

972
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,400
Carrie had lived in multiple group homes and was reported to have gotten along well with

973
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,660
others.

974
00:47:13,660 --> 00:47:18,520
She had dreams of becoming a model and played the flute in her high school marching band.

975
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:24,600
Carrie seemingly vanished around May or June of 1983, but since she was not living at home,

976
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,320
there's not an exact date on when she went missing.

977
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:32,880
A lot of these victims, it's just really sad that they never got the opportunity to like,

978
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,320
live on their own and like, even become adults, honestly.

979
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:43,040
Because sure, like, they're running away from a bad home life or because they want to live

980
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,160
on their own and they think they're adults, you know, whatever the circumstances might

981
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:54,040
be, but for them to be like, when some of them were living in foster or, you know, halfway

982
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:59,040
homes or shelters and it's like, they're just trying to get their shit together.

983
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,040
Exactly.

984
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,040
It's really sad.

985
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,840
Or didn't have the opportunity to, you know, in some cases.

986
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,880
Yeah, no, that's absolutely horrible.

987
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,440
Like, they go out thinking that they're going to have like this amazing, like, better life

988
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:11,440
for themselves.

989
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,920
Everything's going to be okay once I'm by myself and on my own and then this piece of

990
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,040
shit, you know, takes advantage of that.

991
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,880
Carrie, unfortunately, became a victim of Gary Ridgway and her remains were found nearly

992
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,840
two years after she disappeared near five other victims in the Star Lake neighborhood.

993
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,200
Oh my gosh, this guy.

994
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:34,040
On June 8th, 1983, Constance Elizabeth Neon, 20, was last heard from by her boyfriend,

995
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,800
saying she was picking up her check at her place of work and would see him in 20 minutes.

996
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,800
Unfortunately, she was never seen or heard from again after this interaction.

997
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:49,360
Constance's car was later found parked on South 188th Street and Pacific Highway South.

998
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:54,760
Her remains were found four months later just south of CETAC Airport near three other victims.

999
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,760
I know.

1000
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:02,000
On July 18th, 1983, 22-year-old Kelly Marine Ware was last seen in the Central District

1001
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,320
of Seattle.

1002
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,680
Her remains were found three months later by the airport near three other victims as well.

1003
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:14,080
Only one week later, on July 25th, 22-year-old Tina Marie Thompson was last seen near South

1004
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,160
144th Street and Pacific Highway South.

1005
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,440
Her remains were found nine months later near the intersection on Highway 18 and I-90 near

1006
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,560
two other victims.

1007
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,560
Okay.

1008
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,920
Ready for the next one?

1009
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,560
This one's going to be a little bit longer.

1010
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:30,560
Yes.

1011
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:35,360
In early 1983, 14-year-old Wendy Stevens ran away from home.

1012
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,200
Several years before she ran away, Wendy was living with her mother Cecile and stepfather

1013
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,520
Allen in a Denver suburb.

1014
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,920
Cecile stated about Wendy, quote, people weren't strangers to her.

1015
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,200
Everyone was a potential friend.

1016
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,320
I was always afraid for her because she was that way.

1017
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,760
It's like, ugh.

1018
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,520
Like, it sucks that you have to be fucking worried about your kid because they're outgoing

1019
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:57,520
and personal.

1020
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:02,040
Yeah, and they have the- they don't- they don't have low social meters.

1021
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,040
Yeah.

1022
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,480
Cecile began to worry when Wendy started acting out of the ordinary.

1023
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,000
She stated, quote, she was going through those rebellious ages.

1024
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,120
She would just take off sometimes for weeks and there would be no forethought.

1025
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,480
She would leave in the winter without a coat.

1026
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:18,640
End quote.

1027
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,400
At one point, Wendy left home and was gone for a month and when she came back, her mother

1028
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,440
stated, quote, it was just really strange because Wendy acted like, quote, nothing was

1029
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,560
wrong, nothing had taken place.

1030
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,680
She hadn't been absent.

1031
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,280
So essentially she showed up one day, like she had never left.

1032
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,840
Like, it was just like no time had passed.

1033
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,040
Yeah, that's pretty strange after being gone for 30 days.

1034
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,680
Yeah, exactly.

1035
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:47,840
Almost immediately after this conversation, in August of 1983, Wendy ran away from home

1036
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,320
and unfortunately this would be the last time her family would see her alive.

1037
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:57,040
Her mother remembers, quote, I was really afraid for her because she was so gregarious

1038
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,520
and because she had become so undependable.

1039
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,000
I didn't know what to make of any of it.

1040
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:09,080
Wendy Stevens remains were found on March 21st, 1984, but she remained unidentified

1041
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:20,680
until October of 2020 when police showed up at Cecile's house in 2020.

1042
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:26,080
Showed up at Cecile's house to deliver the news that they had identified her, I'm assuming

1043
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,480
through DNA or something.

1044
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:28,480
Oh my gosh.

1045
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:29,480
Yes.

1046
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:35,720
Wendy's father, Carlos, her bio dad had passed away in 2014, never getting to know what happened

1047
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:39,760
to his daughter 30 years prior.

1048
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,160
Wendy would be known to be the youngest victim of Gary Ridgway.

1049
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:44,160
She was 14.

1050
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,120
That is so fucking sad.

1051
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,000
2020.

1052
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,040
They waited almost 40 years to hear.

1053
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:58,480
I mean, the smallest bit of a silver lining is that Cecile knows.

1054
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:07,120
Yeah, she didn't pass without knowing.

1055
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,880
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1056
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,760
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1057
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1058
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,360
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1059
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1060
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:29,400
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1061
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,440
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1062
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,840
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1063
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:43,320
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1064
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:48,780
On August 18th, 1983, April Dawn of Butram 17 disappeared.

1065
00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:52,960
She had moved from Spokane to Seattle and she was last seen when police spoke to her

1066
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:59,440
in the 7300 block of Rainer Avenue South.

1067
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,120
Her remains would be found later that same year.

1068
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:08,960
26 year old Debbie Mae Apernaathy had moved from Texas to Seattle just weeks prior to

1069
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,040
her disappearance on September 5th, 1983.

1070
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:18,480
Her goal in moving was to have a fresh start with her boyfriend and her son, but unfortunately

1071
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:25,480
she would become a victim of the Green River killer after her disappearance.

1072
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:33,240
On September 12th, 1983, 17 days before her 20th birthday, Tracy Ann Winston disappeared.

1073
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:37,440
Tracy was a known athlete playing Little League as a kid and was on the high school basketball

1074
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:38,440
team.

1075
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,800
She was last seen around 6pm at the Northgate Mall.

1076
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:50,600
Her body would be found in 1986 in Cottonwood Park at South 238th Street.

1077
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:57,000
Maureen Sue Feeney, 19, was last seen on September 28th, 1983, just 7 days before her

1078
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,320
20th birthday.

1079
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,320
Maureen was raised with 8 siblings and she was actually planning on moving out of the

1080
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:08,480
family home a month after she would go missing.

1081
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:13,760
Maureen had a love for animals and nature and hoped to someday work with children.

1082
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:19,040
Her sister eventually would write a book about Maureen.

1083
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,920
Her sister would eventually write a book about Maureen and the effects her murder had on

1084
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:28,360
the family entitled, quote, the 39th victim of memoir.

1085
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,000
Maureen's remains were found in May of 1986.

1086
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:39,080
Now back to the current, on October 11th, 1983, Mary Sue Bellow was last seen, 5 weeks

1087
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,720
before her 26th birthday.

1088
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:45,760
This is definitely a coincidence, but very interesting.

1089
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:50,680
She was known as a treasure to her family and was well liked by all that knew her.

1090
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:56,080
Her remains were found one year and one day later, a victim of Gary Ridgway.

1091
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,440
Pammy Annette Avent, 16, was last seen on October 26th.

1092
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,520
Her remains would not be found for nearly 20 years and she was identified via dental

1093
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:05,520
records.

1094
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,320
We're almost done.

1095
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:13,360
22 year old Denise Louise Plager, or Misty, was last seen on October 30th, 1983 at a bus

1096
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,920
stop in the South Seattle suburbs.

1097
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,200
She had a brother and two young children, her youngest being only 2 years old when she

1098
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,440
went missing.

1099
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,920
Her remains were found the following February, a victim of Gary Ridgway.

1100
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:33,160
Alright, everyone take a deep breath, we're done with that for a second.

1101
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:34,160
That's like zombifying.

1102
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,920
I know, like you just don't out listening to it because it's so much.

1103
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,840
It's terrible.

1104
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,280
Thanks for hanging in there with us guys.

1105
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:47,760
I know, I feel like I can't come up with any other additive than like, that's so sad.

1106
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,760
Oh my gosh, that's so sad.

1107
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:55,040
But it's just hard like to try to like, compute like in your brain.

1108
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,040
No, for sure.

1109
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,120
There are many victims there are and yeah, just a lot.

1110
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:03,520
They each had lives and they each had families and they each have their own set of special

1111
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,280
circumstances that brought them to that moment.

1112
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:12,680
And I mean, the main research that I did, it was like giant gaps in between, but I definitely

1113
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,680
didn't want to like leave any victims out because of course they deserve to be talked

1114
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,600
about, you know, at least a sentence or two about them.

1115
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,920
So that's why I wanted to put all that info in there.

1116
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,720
In November, police once again spoke to Gary about the murders when he failed to kill a

1117
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:30,800
hitchhiker that he picked up.

1118
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,600
Let's hear about this.

1119
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:37,440
Gary claimed to have choked the woman after she attacked him the same story as before.

1120
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,240
She bit me.

1121
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:43,240
Police tried to get him to admit anything, but he denied any knowledge of the victims

1122
00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:47,800
and authorities lacked any solid evidence that he was the perpetrator.

1123
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,520
Gary later admitted that when he was questioned the first time about Marie's disappearance,

1124
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:57,240
in order to conceal scratch marks that she had given him on his arms, he leaned up against

1125
00:56:57,240 --> 00:57:01,560
a fence and put his hand behind his back so that the police wouldn't see.

1126
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,360
He would later admit like, oh shit, like the first time you talked to me like about this

1127
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,160
girl, she gave me those scratch marks.

1128
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:15,440
He also admitted that once the police left, he burned his arm with battery acid to disguise

1129
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:16,440
the marks.

1130
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:17,440
What?

1131
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:18,440
Ow.

1132
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,920
With fucking battery acid?

1133
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,480
Like you realize those were heal, right?

1134
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,000
Like they're self-on fucking fire.

1135
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,600
Like I guess he was thinking like, okay, if they come back, like I'm not going to be

1136
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,080
in the same situation, I might as well get rid of these now.

1137
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:33,080
Right.

1138
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,080
Like, oh my god.

1139
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:35,080
Battery acid.

1140
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,080
Fucking psycho.

1141
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,080
You can just like draw it all over your arm with like Sharpie or something, but like

1142
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,080
oh, I was bored.

1143
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:42,080
Yeah.

1144
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,040
This, no, I'm just practicing special effects.

1145
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,040
Like what?

1146
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:50,200
Like what happened with the, what was the story with the hitchhiker though?

1147
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,520
So it was pretty much the same story as before.

1148
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,880
They had said that he choked her and then he was like, well, she attacked me and it

1149
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,320
was self-defense and the police didn't have any solid evidence.

1150
00:57:58,320 --> 00:57:59,320
They were like, okay.

1151
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,680
And she didn't, I guess, press charges or anything or whatever.

1152
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,120
Oh, it was like unidentified.

1153
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,200
Like it wasn't like a giant story.

1154
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:12,320
Now you guessed it, Gary continued to kill after this and on December 23rd, 1983, he

1155
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:16,640
would come across his next victim, Lisa Lorraine Yates.

1156
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,680
So there's not a lot of information on Lisa.

1157
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:22,800
Some sources stated that she was either 18 or 19 at the time of her disappearance, but

1158
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,160
Gary did admit to her later, her murder later on.

1159
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:33,320
On February 6th, 1984, Gary picked up 16 year old Mary Xeta West.

1160
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:34,320
Xeta.

1161
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,760
I don't know how to say that little name.

1162
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,160
It's a really cool name though.

1163
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,160
EXZ.

1164
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,160
Yeah.

1165
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:41,160
Yeah.

1166
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:45,520
This was actually a month shy of her 17th birthday when she went missing.

1167
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:50,160
Her remains were found in September of 85, the following year in Seward Park at the base

1168
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,520
of a tree.

1169
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:59,040
On March 21st, 1984, Cindy Ann Smith was last seen hitchhiking along Pacific Highway South.

1170
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:03,760
Her remains were found nearly three years later when three boys stumbled across partially

1171
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:08,640
buried skeletal remains in a ravine behind the Green River Community College.

1172
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:09,720
Hell no.

1173
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:10,720
She was 17.

1174
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:11,720
No.

1175
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:12,720
Not as, no.

1176
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:13,720
Like as a kid.

1177
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:14,720
I know.

1178
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,480
I still have to witness that.

1179
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,240
Yeah, that's terrible.

1180
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,240
Get this.

1181
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:24,800
In May of 1984, Gary, still being considered a person of interest in the case due to his

1182
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:30,480
history with prostitution, called police and offered to assist them in their search by

1183
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,240
performing a polygraph test.

1184
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,840
Oh my God.

1185
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,960
Suggesting he could be ruled out upon passing it.

1186
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:38,960
Oh my God.

1187
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,480
Why are they like this?

1188
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:41,800
It's just a stupid machine.

1189
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:42,800
It's just a machine.

1190
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,960
I'm smarter than a machine.

1191
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:46,960
Get this.

1192
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,400
He fucking passed it.

1193
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:49,400
No he didn't.

1194
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,640
And he was let go as a suspect.

1195
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,960
He fucking passed it.

1196
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,240
Because he's such a dummy.

1197
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,760
I'm not trying to be rude, but like with an 82 IQ, how the fuck did you do that?

1198
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,520
It's probably because it's a lack of empathy.

1199
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,040
He doesn't have any emotion.

1200
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,040
There's no emotion.

1201
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,040
He doesn't, he doesn't get scared.

1202
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,040
He doesn't get anxious.

1203
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,040
He doesn't get anxious.

1204
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,040
Oh, that's fucking.

1205
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,400
He passed it.

1206
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,160
And now they're like, we have no choice but to rule him out as a suspect.

1207
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,000
Like obviously like, polygraph tests aren't super reliable back then.

1208
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,040
That's like pretty much all they had to go on.

1209
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,040
Yeah, exactly.

1210
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,040
Oh my God.

1211
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,040
What?

1212
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,040
I know.

1213
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,640
Stupid machine.

1214
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:28,400
By 1985, seemingly because he was still under suspicion from police, women actually stopped

1215
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:29,560
disappearing.

1216
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,880
And Gary seemed to have stopped murdering altogether.

1217
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:33,880
Did he get married?

1218
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:34,880
He got married?

1219
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:35,880
Oh.

1220
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:36,880
Sorry.

1221
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:37,880
He got married.

1222
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:45,840
It was also around the same time that Gary met a woman by the name of Judith Lorraine

1223
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,600
Lynch, also recorded as Judith Mawson.

1224
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,040
And the couple married three years later in 1988.

1225
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,280
So yeah, he got married.

1226
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:54,920
Oh my God.

1227
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:55,920
Okay.

1228
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,720
Hey, but it's predictable.

1229
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,960
But at least he got him to stop fucking murdering or not wrong.

1230
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:02,960
Not really because we're going to keep going.

1231
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:03,960
What was her name?

1232
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:04,960
Judith.

1233
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:05,960
Okay, Judith.

1234
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:06,960
I see you, Judith.

1235
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,680
Number three.

1236
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:09,680
Another one.

1237
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:15,240
On October 11th, 1986, so this is one year into his relationship with Judith, they're

1238
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:19,360
not married yet, but this has also been a year since the last murder.

1239
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,080
Patricia or Patty Michelle Barzak went missing.

1240
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,880
But since the disappearances have stopped for nearly two years at this point, this was

1241
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,400
not immediately thought to be the Green River killer.

1242
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,160
Patty was 19 at the time of her disappearance and her remains were found in February of

1243
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:38,800
1993 on Highway 18 near the Seattle International Raceway.

1244
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:44,160
They initially didn't think it was him, but she was also found by all of his other bodies.

1245
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:45,160
Yeah, exactly.

1246
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,600
Although police, well, they didn't find her till 93 though.

1247
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:48,600
Yeah.

1248
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,120
Although police thought the killings had slowed or stopped, they were not giving up on their

1249
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,720
search for the infamous Green River killer.

1250
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,960
And detectives, Reichart and Keppel, were looking in a new direction for information,

1251
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,160
the same guys from earlier.

1252
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:06,160
They began interviewing incarcerated killers for any suggestions or advice on what this

1253
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,160
guy was probably like.

1254
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:08,160
You know, you did it.

1255
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,480
We'll see what this guy's about.

1256
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,360
During the time they were interviewing these people, they received a letter in the mail

1257
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:17,480
from an inmate that was pretty famous at the time.

1258
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:23,080
Keppel remembers the first time he heard that the inmate was reaching out to him saying,

1259
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:28,400
quote, it was a letter from a wannabe consultant and the most unlikely person I ever expected

1260
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,760
to be of assistance in the Green River murders.

1261
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,600
The letter came from a cell on death row in Florida.

1262
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,480
The sender was Theodore Robert Bundy.

1263
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:39,480
I was stunned.

1264
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:40,480
It eaves.

1265
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:41,480
Head of the West.

1266
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:42,480
Head of the West.

1267
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:43,480
Dead.

1268
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:44,480
Dead.

1269
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:45,480
Dead.

1270
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,480
Dead.

1271
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:47,480
Dead.

1272
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:48,480
Dead.

1273
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:49,480
Dead.

1274
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,480
Oh, it's coming in clutch.

1275
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:52,480
Clutch.

1276
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:53,480
Dead.

1277
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:54,480
Dead.

1278
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:55,480
Cut.

1279
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,480
That's awful.

1280
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,400
But yeah, so they were like, okay, we're going to interview like serial killers and Bundy

1281
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,840
was like, yo, I have about being some assistance.

1282
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,480
Can I get down on that?

1283
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:11,320
Yeah, let me just write you a letter like, well, at this point, of course, if we all know

1284
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:16,040
Ted Bundy, he had already been in prison for several years and he was awaiting his execution

1285
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,600
date that was set for 1989.

1286
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,760
So this is like five years before he's supposed to get the chair.

1287
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:22,760
Yeah, the chair.

1288
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:23,760
Get the chair.

1289
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,320
Get the lobotomy.

1290
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:31,040
Being a similar M.O. as the Green River Killer made way for Bundy to be a real big asset

1291
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,720
in this case because he did the necrophilia of learning as well.

1292
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:34,720
It's kind of gross.

1293
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:35,720
He did.

1294
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:39,800
He actually became a regular interviewee of Keppel and Riker and even offered his opinion

1295
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:45,640
on the psychology of the still active killer as well as his motivations and behaviors.

1296
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:50,080
According to Riker, Ted also shared several things in common with Gary, especially in

1297
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,160
regard to mindset.

1298
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,360
Riker stated, quote, first off, there's no remorse.

1299
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,720
He doesn't have feelings towards anybody, his family included.

1300
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:03,000
And that's what I saw in Bundy and what I saw in Ridgway.

1301
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:08,800
He also later explained, quote, like Mr. Bundy, Mr. Ridgway craved attention and control

1302
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,600
and was prideful when discussing his killings.

1303
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:16,320
When detectives presented him with an unsolved murder to see if he would confess it, he told

1304
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:20,520
them, why, if it isn't mine, because I have pride in what I do.

1305
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,560
I don't want to take it from anybody else.

1306
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,560
Obviously, these are quotes that came out after they realized who he was.

1307
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:26,560
But isn't that interesting?

1308
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,440
He's like, you want to confess to this?

1309
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:29,920
And he's like, no, I didn't do that.

1310
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,160
I take pride in what I do.

1311
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,160
That guy's sloppy.

1312
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:33,160
Exactly.

1313
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:34,160
And who else said that?

1314
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:35,160
Somebody else said that.

1315
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:36,160
It was fucking Patrick Kearney.

1316
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:37,160
Oh, Kearney.

1317
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:38,160
Yeah.

1318
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,800
They were showing him Randy Kravstviktans and he was like, that wasn't me, but I admire

1319
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:41,800
his work.

1320
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,200
So he said, I admire his work.

1321
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:46,200
He does good work.

1322
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:47,200
Oh, my God.

1323
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,200
It runs well.

1324
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:49,200
Oh, my God.

1325
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,200
He's kind.

1326
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,400
When BTK stole the radio, runs good.

1327
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:53,400
Oh, my God.

1328
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:54,400
It's so bumbly.

1329
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:55,400
Bumbly.

1330
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,400
It's a bumbly hoe.

1331
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:05,240
Now, during one interview, Bundy suggested that the Green River killer was most likely

1332
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:09,680
revisiting his dump sites to perform necrophilia on the corpses.

1333
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,840
He advised investigators that if they found a fresh grave, they should stake it out and

1334
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,000
wait for the killer to return.

1335
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,520
Why did they fucking think of that earlier?

1336
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:18,520
Okay.

1337
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:19,520
Thank you.

1338
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:20,520
Teddy.

1339
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,280
So Bundy's theories were absolutely correct and police were able to use them to collect

1340
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,880
samples and provide evidence for an arrest warrant.

1341
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,120
But they don't know who he is yet.

1342
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:31,120
They just have DNA.

1343
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:32,120
Right.

1344
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:36,480
Police continued to work on the case and found out that Gary Ridgway was last seen with two

1345
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,320
of the victims before they disappeared.

1346
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,360
As a matter of fact, Gary had a more recent victim than the police knew about.

1347
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:50,760
Roberta Joseph or Bobby Joe Hayes, age 20, went missing on February 7th, 1987, after

1348
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,400
she was released from the custody of the Portland, Oregon police department.

1349
01:05:55,400 --> 01:06:00,880
She had like gotten arrested and then she got out and then it was believed she was returning

1350
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:04,720
back to Seattle when she went missing, which is where he found her.

1351
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,680
Her remains were discovered over four years later when a Washington State Park employee

1352
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,360
came across skeletal remains at the end of a dead-end road.

1353
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:16,280
She would become the 43rd victim of Gary Ridgway.

1354
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:20,480
Because Gary was the last person allegedly seen with two of the victims, police were

1355
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:26,480
able to get a warrant to search his home and vehicles on April 7th, 1987.

1356
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:31,720
It was at this time that they also requested a hair and saliva sample and Gary cooperated

1357
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,040
because he passed the polygraph.

1358
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:34,040
So what are you going to do?

1359
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:35,840
So I can beat science too.

1360
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:40,440
Well, unfortunately, due to insufficient DNA testing at this time, they were unable to

1361
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,680
use this to arrest him because all they could do was collect the sample.

1362
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:44,680
They couldn't test it yet.

1363
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,080
The technology was not out yet.

1364
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,080
So where's Judith?

1365
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:51,080
Where's she going?

1366
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:52,080
Yeah, Judith.

1367
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,080
They're going to get on you, Judith.

1368
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,080
Go now, Judith.

1369
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,080
Go now, Judith.

1370
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,080
Judith.

1371
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:00,080
Judith.

1372
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:04,920
Well, it's now 1987 and him and Judith have been dating for two years.

1373
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:09,440
Judith later agreed to a TV interview way later on when she stated that when she moved

1374
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:13,320
into Gary's home, there was no carpet.

1375
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:17,240
Investigators later suggested to her that they believed there was no carpet because he must

1376
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,520
have used it to wrap up a body.

1377
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,080
He like ripped it up to use it.

1378
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:26,520
I have no carpet in my house because I use it to bury bodies.

1379
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,600
In the same interview, Judith also described that Gary would leave for work super early

1380
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:34,080
in the morning, seemingly to take advantage of overtime pay.

1381
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:37,840
But then she conducted the dots that he most likely was killing during the time he was

1382
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,240
out of the home, even in the morning.

1383
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,880
She also claimed that she had not suspected Gary to be the perpetrator when he began to

1384
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:45,380
be questioned.

1385
01:07:45,380 --> 01:07:47,840
Even when they were questioning him, she's like, that's definitely not him.

1386
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,400
She didn't even know who the Green River killer was because she didn't keep up with any news

1387
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,200
outlets or media or anything.

1388
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:58,040
Although he was on the police's radar, again, they had no way of testing the DNA and Gary

1389
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:03,120
was able to remain a free man for many years.

1390
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:07,520
This is also around the time that his murders were very sporadic, seemingly because he didn't

1391
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,120
want to risk getting caught by killing anyone.

1392
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:14,160
But it was also very clear that he gave into his impulses every once in a while because

1393
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,600
that was not his last victim.

1394
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:22,040
Marta Kallis Reeves was born in Hungary in 1953 and made her way to the United States

1395
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,320
and to Seattle in her adult life.

1396
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:29,600
She was last seen on March 5th, 1990, along Pacific Highway South, and unfortunately she

1397
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,280
would become a victim of Gary.

1398
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,040
Marta was either 36 or 37 at the time of her murder.

1399
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:41,840
I get that you can't be everywhere all the time, like 100%, but if he's a suspect, then

1400
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,200
why isn't he being tailed?

1401
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:44,200
Exactly.

1402
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:50,120
I guarantee you they just couldn't get in the warrant to do that.

1403
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:53,160
Yeah, because it's extra police money.

1404
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,160
Yeah, and it's circumstantial.

1405
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,400
Yeah, but I don't know.

1406
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:58,640
And he passed the polygraph, don't forget.

1407
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:03,000
Don't forget, he's smarter than the average bear.

1408
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:09,040
Her body was found later off of Highway 410, which is interesting because that is weird,

1409
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:10,040
right?

1410
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:11,040
But we have a loop 410.

1411
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:12,040
Yeah, that's true.

1412
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:13,040
We don't have a highway 410.

1413
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,360
Gary managed to keep from killing for many years after this, and it wasn't until January

1414
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:21,280
of 1998 that 38-year-old Patricia Yellowrobe was last seen.

1415
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:26,000
Now, keep in mind, he's sporadic, he's taken a bunch of years off, and these last two victims

1416
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,880
have been in their 30s, completely different than his other MO, because you know why?

1417
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:31,400
Because he's trying not to get fucking caught.

1418
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:32,400
Yeah.

1419
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,920
He's trying to get a little bit, but he's trying not to get caught, so he's trying to

1420
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:35,920
switch it up or whatever.

1421
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,640
It's just an impulse.

1422
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,560
The location of her disappearance is unknown, and her body was found on the morning of August

1423
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,760
6, 1998.

1424
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,600
She had been found in South Seattle just off of Des Mois Way South.

1425
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:52,640
Her death was actually ruled as an accidental overdose, and she was never listed as a victim

1426
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:57,400
of the Green River Killer until he confessed to her murder in 2003.

1427
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:58,880
Whoa.

1428
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,680
Two more women are listed as being victims of the Green River Killer, but they are both

1429
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,200
unidentified to this day.

1430
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:10,920
One girl who has been identified as Jane Doe, B-17, was between the ages of 14 and 18,

1431
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:16,520
and is known to have gone missing between December 1980 and January 1984.

1432
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,720
Her remains were found on January 2nd of 1986, but again, never identified.

1433
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,320
They don't even know when she was last seen.

1434
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:24,320
Yeah.

1435
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:25,320
Four years.

1436
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:26,320
Between, yeah.

1437
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:30,200
It could be 1980 to 1984, she was last seen.

1438
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:31,200
Yeah, exactly.

1439
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:32,200
Oh my gosh.

1440
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:37,120
The other girl known as Jane Doe, B-20, was between the ages of 13 to 24, and is thought

1441
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,440
to have gone missing between 1973 and 1993.

1442
01:10:40,440 --> 01:10:41,440
20 year gap.

1443
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:43,440
So a 20 year gap.

1444
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:44,840
They have no idea.

1445
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:49,920
Her remains were found on August 21st, 2003, and she has never been identified either.

1446
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:54,600
So that being said, if anybody has any information, call your local authorities.

1447
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:59,400
Gary Ridgway is suspected of, but not charged with, murdering six more victims attributed

1448
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,360
to the Green River Killer.

1449
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:06,040
In each case, Gary either did not confess to the victim's death, or authorities have

1450
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:10,080
not been able to corroborate their suspicion with substantial evidence.

1451
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:16,040
The first of these victims is Amina Agishif, 35, who disappeared on July 7th in 1982, and

1452
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,920
was located on April 20th of 1984.

1453
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:24,560
Gary denied killing her, and she again doesn't fit the profile of any of his first such

1454
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:28,840
of victims, considering her age, and the fact that she was not a sex worker.

1455
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:34,120
However, there's a bunch of people later in the years that were older.

1456
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:38,080
Other sources stated that she was in fact Gary's first victim, which explains the lack

1457
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,840
of similarity with his other victims, because it was in 1982.

1458
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,520
She was known to be a part of the Green River murders because the first five victims were

1459
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,440
found in the Green River in Kent, Washington.

1460
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:53,960
Amina was a mother of two children, a Montessori school teacher and a waitress.

1461
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:59,280
Cassie Ann Lee, 16, was reported missing on August 28th, 1982, and her remains were never

1462
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:00,440
discovered.

1463
01:12:00,440 --> 01:12:05,600
Although he has never been charged with her murder, Gary did confess to killing Cassie.

1464
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,520
She was married to her pimp, and they had actually only been married for four months

1465
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,680
when she disappeared off of Pacific Highway South.

1466
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:17,040
Gary stated that he strangled her in 1982 and left her body near a drive-in theater off

1467
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,080
of the SeaTac Strip.

1468
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:22,600
Law enforcement has been unable to locate her remains, so he was never charged with

1469
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,720
her murder.

1470
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:25,720
Even though he confessed to her.

1471
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,720
Even though he'd been in the heat because there's no body.

1472
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:33,840
16-year-old Tammy Charlene Lyles went missing on June 9th, 1983, and was discovered in April

1473
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:35,640
of 1985.

1474
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,600
She was identified via dental records, but it is unclear why Gary was not charged with

1475
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:40,600
her murder.

1476
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,040
Probably lack of sufficient evidence, like I said earlier.

1477
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:48,040
Nothing like DNA to connect or any of that stuff too, right?

1478
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:53,120
Kelly K. McGinnis was last seen on June 29th, 1983, standing by the street in the area of

1479
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,960
the Three Bears Motel off Pacific Highway South.

1480
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:02,560
Kelly had two children, a boy she gave up for adoption and a four-month-old baby girl.

1481
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:07,120
Kelly's remains have never been located, and she was 18 at the time of her disappearance.

1482
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:12,800
18-year-old Angela Marie Gurdner was reported missing in July of 1983, and her remains were

1483
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,840
discovered on April 22nd, 1985.

1484
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:20,040
Gary is a suspect in Angela's murder, but was never officially charged.

1485
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:25,560
Patricia Ann Osborn, 19, went missing on October 20th, 1983, and her remains have never been

1486
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,360
found, although Gary did confess to her murder in 2003.

1487
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:33,560
Gary Ridgway has been considered a suspect in the disappearances or murders of several

1488
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:37,560
other women not attributed at the time to the Green River Killer.

1489
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,240
Charges have never been filed for these crimes.

1490
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:45,120
An unidentified black female, possibly named Michelle, disappeared in December of 1980.

1491
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,120
Her body was never discovered.

1492
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:51,480
Christy Lynn Vorak, 13, disappeared on Halloween night, 1982.

1493
01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:53,480
Her body was never discovered, either.

1494
01:13:53,480 --> 01:13:58,680
15-year-old Patricia Ann LeBlanc went missing on August 12th, 1983, and her remains have

1495
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,600
never been found.

1496
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:06,560
Rose-Marie Currin, 16, was last seen on August 26th, 1987, and her body was discovered just

1497
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,320
five days later on August 31st.

1498
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,880
Gary was never charged with her murder due to lack of evidence.

1499
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:18,400
On April 24th, 1990, 16-year-old Darcy Wade went missing, and her body was never recovered.

1500
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:23,760
And lastly, 22-year-old Cora McGurrick was last seen on July 12th, 1991, and her body

1501
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,040
was never recovered.

1502
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:27,040
That is all the victims.

1503
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:28,040
That is so much.

1504
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:32,760
If I want to take a deep breath, so much.

1505
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:37,280
I just wanted to give everybody a little line in there, you know, because they all deserve

1506
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,920
to be talked about, even if they were never discovered.

1507
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:40,920
That's so awful.

1508
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,920
I mean, his murdering career spans decades.

1509
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,920
Yeah, it does.

1510
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:46,920
It's wild.

1511
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:54,400
And then I was just thinking about even tying up some of these remains being connected to

1512
01:14:54,400 --> 01:15:02,520
him or not, or that was still going on, and most weren't even known about or found or

1513
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,920
had been confessed to until 2000.

1514
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:06,480
That's insane.

1515
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:07,480
Insane.

1516
01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:11,960
Now, although these murders were connected to or seemingly connected to Gary, it is known

1517
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:16,280
that his killings went down significantly after him and Judith got married.

1518
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,840
He later admitted during an interview in prison that while he was in the relationship with

1519
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:24,320
Judith, his kill rate went way down and he truly loved her.

1520
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:30,880
Of his 49 known victims, only three were killed after he married Judith.

1521
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:35,720
Judith later told reporters, quote, I feel like I have saved lives by being his wife

1522
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:37,720
and making him happy.

1523
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:38,720
It's true.

1524
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:45,480
Sad to think about too, that she feels this, not like survivor's guilt, but what would

1525
01:15:45,480 --> 01:15:47,360
be the opposite of that.

1526
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,440
Almost, yeah.

1527
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:54,200
Gary managed to lay low until the early 2000s and due to DNA testing coming a long way,

1528
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:58,600
the samples were finally able to be tested, but it was not as cut and dry as authorities

1529
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,440
would have liked it to be.

1530
01:16:00,440 --> 01:16:04,840
In March of 2001, investigators reexamined evidence from across the years the killer

1531
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,440
had been active.

1532
01:16:06,440 --> 01:16:11,000
Beverly Himmick, a Washington State Patrol crime laboratory forensic scientist, told

1533
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,400
the New York Times, quote, it was a last ditch effort.

1534
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:18,680
We didn't have a lot to work with, but we went through a lot of evidence again.

1535
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:22,760
We rinsed all the fingernails to look for trace evidence and swabbed the ligatures for

1536
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,640
cellular material.

1537
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:30,400
With one girl, we were able to find a few sperm clinging to her pubic hair, end quote.

1538
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:34,520
New DNA profiles from three victims were compared with a DNA taken from Gary Ridgway

1539
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:39,440
back in 1987, and it was a perfect match in all three cases.

1540
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:45,080
On November 30, 2001, nearly two decades after the first murder, Gary was at the Kenworth

1541
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:50,320
truck factory where he worked as a spray painter when police arrived to arrest him.

1542
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:55,200
Gary was arrested in suspicion to the murders of Marsha Chapman, Opal Mills, Cynthia Hines,

1543
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,920
and Carol Ann Christensen.

1544
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,880
Three more victims, Wendy Cofield, Deborah Bonner, and Deborah Estes were added to the

1545
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:07,040
indictment after forensic scientists identified microscopic spray paint smears as a specific

1546
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:11,760
brand and composition of paint used at the factory during the time frame when they were

1547
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:12,760
killed.

1548
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:13,760
Interesting.

1549
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,320
I know there's a lot to say, but yeah.

1550
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:19,120
Gary was still married to Judith at the time of his arrest, and she was absolutely shocked

1551
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:24,160
when she heard about her husband's long record of rape, murder, and necrophilia.

1552
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:28,600
Judith stated that Gary was the quote, perfect husband, and had always treated her, quote,

1553
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,440
like a newlywed.

1554
01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:32,800
And 17 years into their marriage.

1555
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:33,800
Wow.

1556
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:35,520
He seems like he really did love her.

1557
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,400
I mean, he stopped doing these things.

1558
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:39,600
He probably felt pretty fulfilled.

1559
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,440
Although he stated that he truly loved Judith and being with her made him stop his horrendous

1560
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:48,080
crimes, he also admitted that he had been tempted to kill her at one point, but he decided

1561
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:51,800
not to because it might have increased his chances of getting caught.

1562
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:52,800
Ew!

1563
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:53,800
What?

1564
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:55,800
Take back what you said.

1565
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:57,800
My bad, Judith.

1566
01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:58,800
Sorry.

1567
01:17:58,800 --> 01:17:59,800
Oh no.

1568
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:04,920
Gary awaited trial in jail because after his arrest, he was denied bail due to evidence

1569
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,040
being sufficient enough to not allow it.

1570
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:08,040
Oh well.

1571
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:11,760
Upon his arrest, David Riker, the law enforcement official that had been the one on the case

1572
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:16,400
for over 20 years at this point, released a statement saying, quote, we don't know if

1573
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,640
Ridgway is responsible for the deaths of any more women.

1574
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:24,320
However, we will continue to investigate all unsolved homicides that may be linked to him

1575
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,560
or to any other suspects.

1576
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:27,680
End quote.

1577
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:32,040
He also stated, quote, we have a lot of work to do to investigate these other cases to

1578
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,720
ensure we have the person who's responsible for those bodies.

1579
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,680
We may have some copycats.

1580
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:38,680
End quote.

1581
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:39,680
Thankfully they didn't.

1582
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:40,680
That's good.

1583
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:42,680
Oh god, that reminds me of a pergwitz.

1584
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:43,680
I know.

1585
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:44,680
I know.

1586
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:46,200
It's like we're having a tough enough time catching one of them.

1587
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:47,400
Could you imagine if there were two?

1588
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:48,400
I know.

1589
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:49,400
Oh!

1590
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:55,640
Early in August 2003, Seattle TV News reported that Gary had been moved from a maximum security

1591
01:18:55,640 --> 01:19:00,280
cell at King County Jail to an undisclosed location.

1592
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:04,160
Other news reports stated that his lawyers, led by Anthony Savage, were closing a plea

1593
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:08,280
bargain that would spare him the death penalty and return for his confession to a number

1594
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:09,280
of murders.

1595
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:14,520
Now, it was almost two years later to the date on November 5th, 2003, when Gary's case

1596
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:15,880
finally went to trial.

1597
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:17,480
So he just rotted for like two years.

1598
01:19:17,480 --> 01:19:18,480
Two years.

1599
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:19,480
Good.

1600
01:19:19,480 --> 01:19:22,280
Although he claimed his innocence when he was arrested, Gary Ridgway pleaded guilty

1601
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:27,400
to 48 charges of aggravated first degree murder, although he admitted to killing as

1602
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,040
many as 71 in total.

1603
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:31,040
What?

1604
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,040
He just, 48.

1605
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,480
48 counts of first degree murder.

1606
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:36,320
That trial, could you imagine?

1607
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:37,320
How long it took?

1608
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:38,320
Yeah.

1609
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:42,520
And as part of the plea bargain, actually, this would spare him execution and exchange

1610
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:46,760
for his cooperation in locating the remains of his victims and providing other details.

1611
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:50,600
So that's why they were able to find all those victims.

1612
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,680
Also included in his plea, his agreement to plead guilty to any future cases where his

1613
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,360
confession could be substantiated by evidence.

1614
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,880
So they found any other victims, he'd be like, oh yeah, by the way, I did that.

1615
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:00,880
Yeah.

1616
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:06,120
In his statement accompanying, in his statement accompanying, accompanying, whoa, how do you

1617
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:07,120
say that word?

1618
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:10,480
How do you say that word?

1619
01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:12,200
I hate when that happens to me.

1620
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:13,200
Accompanying.

1621
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:14,200
Accompanying.

1622
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:15,200
No, dammit.

1623
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:16,200
No, I can't think of it.

1624
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:17,200
Accompanying.

1625
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:18,200
Accompanying.

1626
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:19,200
In his statement with his plea.

1627
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:20,200
Accompanying.

1628
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:21,200
It's fine.

1629
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:22,200
Accompanying.

1630
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:23,200
Accompanying.

1631
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:24,200
Everyone knows what I'm trying to say.

1632
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:25,200
Accompanying.

1633
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:29,680
With his plea, Gary stated that all of his victims had been killed inside King County,

1634
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:34,280
Washington, and that he had transported and dumped the remains of two women near Portland

1635
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,680
to confuse the police.

1636
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:41,560
Gary also said in this statement, quote, I killed so many women, I have a hard time

1637
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,520
keeping them straight, end quote.

1638
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:45,520
Figured.

1639
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:49,680
He also admitted that he killed most of his victims in his house or truck before disposing

1640
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:54,720
of the bodies, adding that in most cases, he didn't even know the victims' names.

1641
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:58,200
So do you think that's another reason, like when Judith came to live with him, he couldn't

1642
01:20:58,200 --> 01:20:59,880
really kill Ennis home anymore?

1643
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:00,880
Yeah.

1644
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:01,880
So then maybe that's why.

1645
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:02,880
Probably.

1646
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:07,680
I mean, he just rather be safe than sorry, you know?

1647
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:12,440
He also added, quote, most of the time I killed them the first time I met them and I do not

1648
01:21:12,440 --> 01:21:15,200
have a good memory for their faces.

1649
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:16,360
Like fuck you.

1650
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:17,360
They're just objects.

1651
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,360
That's why they're just objects to him.

1652
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,320
He doesn't care.

1653
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:25,800
Explaining why he chose women he thought to be prostitutes, Gary said they, quote, were

1654
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,120
easy to pick up without being noticed.

1655
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:32,760
I knew they would not be reported missing right away and might never be reported missing.

1656
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,560
I picked up prostitutes because I thought I could kill as many of them as I wanted without

1657
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,320
getting caught, end quote.

1658
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:40,320
I hate that fucking logic.

1659
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,440
This guy does not have a soul.

1660
01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:43,440
I hate that fucking logic.

1661
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:46,280
That doesn't make any fucking sense.

1662
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:51,280
Sexy prosecutor Jeffrey Baird noted in court that the deal contained, quote, the names

1663
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:56,200
of 41 victims who would not be the subject of state versus Ridgway if it were not for

1664
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:57,960
the plea agreement.

1665
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:02,080
Is that him trying to like justify not having him on the death row?

1666
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:03,080
Like the death penalty?

1667
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:04,080
Yeah.

1668
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:08,520
It's like we got all of these confessions because we'd spare to them death penalty.

1669
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:14,000
King County prosecuting attorney Norm Mayling explained his decision to make the deal, quote,

1670
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,520
he could have gone forward with seven counts, but that is all we could have ever hoped to

1671
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:18,520
solve.

1672
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:22,000
At the end of that trial, whatever the outcome, there would have been lingering doubts about

1673
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:23,720
the rest of these crimes.

1674
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,160
This agreement was the avenue to the truth.

1675
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:30,520
And in the end, the search for the truth is still why we have a criminal justice system.

1676
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,840
Gary Ridgway does not deserve our mercy.

1677
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:34,640
He does not deserve to live.

1678
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:39,520
The mercy provided by today's resolution is not, is directed not at Ridgway, but towards

1679
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,080
the families who have suffered so much.

1680
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:48,960
Do you think that like if, if you were in a similar set of circumstances that you would,

1681
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:54,760
for your own like sake of moving on, that you would need a piece of paper that said

1682
01:22:54,760 --> 01:23:01,560
this man has been convicted of killing that person that you loved, like a loved one?

1683
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:02,560
I don't know.

1684
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:03,560
I don't know how it would feel.

1685
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:08,480
I feel like if I heard that he admitted, if he confessed to killing someone and then

1686
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:12,680
they put him on the, on death row, then I would be probably just to satisfy, but that's

1687
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:14,640
just me, you know?

1688
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,560
I don't need like it legally to be in the fucking system.

1689
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,320
I mean, person's gone either way.

1690
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:20,320
Right.

1691
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,800
That sounds really bad, but that's just my personal opinion.

1692
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:26,320
Like you can't do anything about the fact that person's not here.

1693
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:27,320
Right.

1694
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:30,400
But like for me, I feel like I, I would need that.

1695
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:31,400
You would.

1696
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:36,560
I would need either for him to confess or for them to link through DNA or something like

1697
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:37,560
that.

1698
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:38,560
I would just let it be a cold case.

1699
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:39,560
That would bother me.

1700
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:40,560
No, right.

1701
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:44,320
But what I'm saying is that there are so many victims that have either gone unidentified

1702
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:51,680
or not found or, you know, what have you that weren't a part of the trial.

1703
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:56,440
And I feel like my loved one not having their name on that piece of paper would bother me.

1704
01:23:56,440 --> 01:23:57,440
It would bother me too.

1705
01:23:57,440 --> 01:23:58,440
I see what you're saying.

1706
01:23:58,440 --> 01:24:00,480
Yeah, I agree with you.

1707
01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:06,680
On December 18th, 2003, King County Superior Court Judge Richard Jones sentenced Gary Ridgeway

1708
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:13,320
to 48 life sentences with no possibility of parole and one life sentence to be served

1709
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,080
consecutively.

1710
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:20,040
He was also sentenced to an additional 10 years for tampering with evidence for each

1711
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:24,920
of the 48 victims, adding 480 years to his 48 life sentences.

1712
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,600
Better start working on a fountain of youth there.

1713
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:33,120
Gary was able to lead investigators to 48 victims, including some that were not originally

1714
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,560
linked to the Green River killer.

1715
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:39,560
Gary Ridgeway confessed to more confirmed murders than any other American serial killer

1716
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:40,560
at the time.

1717
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:41,560
Whoa.

1718
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,760
Samuel Little surpassed him.

1719
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:48,520
Over a period of five months of police and prosecutor interviews, he confessed to 48 murders,

1720
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:54,480
42 of which were on the police's list of probable Green River killer victims.

1721
01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:58,640
In one taped interview, he told investigators initially that he was responsible for the

1722
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:00,800
deaths of 65 women.

1723
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:06,160
But in another taped interview with David Reichert on December 31, 2003, Gary claimed

1724
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:11,160
to have murdered 71 victims and confessed to having had sex with them prior to killing

1725
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:16,000
them, a detail which he did not reveal until after his sentencing.

1726
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:23,880
In his confession, he acknowledged that he targeted prostitutes.

1727
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:27,720
In his confession, he acknowledged that he targeted prostitutes because they were quote

1728
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:31,760
easy to pick up and that he hated most of them.

1729
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:34,320
I don't know why he's saying unquote.

1730
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:38,000
He also confessed that he had sex with his victims' bodies after he murdered them, but

1731
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:42,640
claimed he began burying the later victims so that he could resist the urge to commit

1732
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,480
necrophilia.

1733
01:25:45,480 --> 01:25:49,160
You have to do something to prevent yourself from committing necrophilia?

1734
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:50,160
Damn.

1735
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:51,160
That sucks.

1736
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:52,560
It's fucking savage.

1737
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:56,720
Lastly, Gary suggested that he talk to and tried to make his victims comfortable before

1738
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:58,680
he committed the murders.

1739
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:03,920
In his own words, he stated quote, I would talk to her and get her mind off the sex,

1740
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:09,040
anything she was nervous about and think, you know, she thinks, oh, this guy cares,

1741
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:10,040
which I didn't.

1742
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:15,120
I just wanted to get her in the vehicle and eventually kill her.

1743
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:16,440
And quote.

1744
01:26:16,440 --> 01:26:18,120
What the fuck?

1745
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:23,200
Gary called his horrible count of murders his real career.

1746
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,640
Oh, that's what he called it.

1747
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:30,760
After his sentencing, Gary Ridgway was placed in solitary confinement at the Washington

1748
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:36,760
State Penitentiary in Walla Walla, Washington in January of 2004.

1749
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:42,640
In 2001, an additional body was found and linked to Gary, the body of Rebecca Becky

1750
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,600
Marrero, his 14th victim.

1751
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:49,360
After Gary entered a guilty plea for this murder and agreement from his original plea,

1752
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:54,520
Becky's sister Mary told Superior Court Judge Mary E. Roberts that the family had agonized

1753
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:58,760
for 29 years wondering what happened to her sister.

1754
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:03,200
She stated quote, I don't agree with this plea deal to spare his pathetic life.

1755
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:05,400
Unquote, unquote.

1756
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:10,760
At this point, Gary turned in his chair to face her and the two other family members.

1757
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,120
Mary continued without a fucking beat.

1758
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:14,120
Hell yeah.

1759
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:17,740
Quote, he makes me sick to my stomach that he beat the system.

1760
01:27:17,740 --> 01:27:23,200
She then told the judge quote, if I had one thing to ask today, it would be to kill him.

1761
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:28,440
Gary then rose and began to apologize to the family but was cut off by a man in the audience

1762
01:27:28,440 --> 01:27:30,840
that said quote, shut your mouth.

1763
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:31,840
That bitch.

1764
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:32,840
Shut your mouth motherfucker.

1765
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,520
Shut your mouth.

1766
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:39,600
Judge Roberts responded quote, I'm sorry you had to wait this long for some truth and

1767
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,040
some justice.

1768
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:45,960
She then told Gary that in his case quote, I can find no compassion and added an additional

1769
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:49,400
life sentence to his charges for this crime.

1770
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:53,800
In 2013, Gary claimed in an interview with news media outlet that the number of women

1771
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:58,800
he killed was more like 75 to 80 but this was not taken as truthful by a lot of people

1772
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,840
because he was probably just seeking attention.

1773
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:02,800
This is 10 years after he was sentenced.

1774
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:06,720
It's probably like, oh I have more information, continue to talk to me.

1775
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:07,720
Yeah, exactly.

1776
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:12,320
So I'm sure you're wondering or maybe you're not about his son because remember he had

1777
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:13,320
a baby.

1778
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:14,320
He did have a baby.

1779
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:15,320
Yes.

1780
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:19,280
Matthew Ridgeway was 26 years old when his father was arrested but he was actually not

1781
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:23,840
home at the time as he was serving for the Marines in San Diego at the time of Gary's

1782
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:24,840
arrest.

1783
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:28,480
Today he is in his late 40s and tends to stay out of the public eye.

1784
01:28:28,480 --> 01:28:29,640
Good for him.

1785
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:35,960
Gary Leon Ridgeway will be 74 on February 18th and is still serving out his days in solitary

1786
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:40,680
confinement and walla walla being let out of his cell for one hour a day for four days

1787
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:41,680
a week.

1788
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:44,120
Not even all seven.

1789
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:48,520
While Gary was never seen for mental illness or diagnosed with anything due to the fact

1790
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:52,280
that he frequently engaged in necrophilia, this suggests that he is a sexual serial

1791
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:53,280
killer.

1792
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:54,280
We've talked about that before.

1793
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:58,680
It's also thought by many that he had had undiagnosed antisocial personality disorder

1794
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,520
but I would have to disagree with this just because of his great long term relationship

1795
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:04,520
with Judith.

1796
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:08,920
Gary was in fact a compulsive liar who was always trying to make everything up and make

1797
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:10,280
it how exactly how he wanted.

1798
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:14,520
He was very good at manipulation and was especially good at lying considered he passed

1799
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:15,520
the polygraph.

1800
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:19,120
That's really fucking weird because he doesn't own any feelings.

1801
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:20,120
Exactly.

1802
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:23,520
Lastly, he has also been labeled as a psychopath due to his lack of empathy.

1803
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,240
Just like you said, that term is outdated as we know.

1804
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:27,960
But yeah, that's the story.

1805
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:28,960
That is intense.

1806
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:29,960
I know.

1807
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:30,960
There is so many.

1808
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,720
I'm so glad I don't have to fucking think about him anymore.

1809
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:35,920
How many lives he affected?

1810
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:39,760
Dude, 71 victims at minimum.

1811
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,720
Every one of those people has two parents and siblings.

1812
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,720
God's awful.

1813
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:46,720
I'm so young.

1814
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:49,960
Thank you guys for bearing with us in this long episode.

1815
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:56,680
That was a lot of harsh content and a lot of hard things to listen to.

1816
01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:02,600
Again, I always stand by the fact that I want to include every victim because they deserve

1817
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:04,000
to have their stories told.

1818
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:08,080
I don't think that your phrasing was appropriate as well.

1819
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:09,600
We try to be respectful with things like that.

1820
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,440
I want to say something really ugly.

1821
01:30:12,440 --> 01:30:13,960
Still, it's a lot of stuff.

1822
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:16,040
It's hard to listen to, especially when it's back to back like that.

1823
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:19,040
I think the last one that I had that was back to back like that was Patrick Kearney.

1824
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,600
At one point, you were like, God, are we done with this?

1825
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:22,600
I know.

1826
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:23,600
I was like, I know.

1827
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:28,000
That was a two-parter and you stopped at the last victim, I think, because there was

1828
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:29,000
still an hour.

1829
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:30,000
It was still an hour.

1830
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,560
Yeah, it was an hour, hour and some change.

1831
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:35,120
Yeah, but I don't know.

1832
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,040
He had a terrible childhood.

1833
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,920
Don't get me wrong.

1834
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:43,000
But he also had an older brother and we always say that.

1835
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:46,160
It's like, why is one person the rotten apple and the other one's not?

1836
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:50,720
They both had terrible childhoods and it's so unfortunate, but you can't feel bad for

1837
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:52,960
the adult that made these decisions.

1838
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:56,960
He literally said, I want to kill prostitutes and that's what I'm going to do.

1839
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:57,960
And then that's what he did.

1840
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:02,360
He didn't just self-defense one day and then killed it kind of like Eileen Warnows and

1841
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:03,600
then realized he liked it.

1842
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:05,960
It was like his intention going into it.

1843
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:08,200
God, it's awful.

1844
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:09,200
I don't know about his psyche.

1845
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:14,080
I mean, it's definitely, I think it's definitely a lot of nurture on this end.

1846
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:15,960
Yeah, I think it's a lot of nurture too.

1847
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,080
I feel like, yeah.

1848
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:21,640
And again, you know, and I know that I joked at the beginning about middle child syndrome,

1849
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:23,040
but I mean, if...

1850
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,480
Oh yeah, he had a younger brother too.

1851
01:31:25,480 --> 01:31:31,240
Yeah, but you know, these other kids are probably, I don't know, maybe he thought that they were

1852
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:35,520
experiencing something or from his perspective, he was experiencing something different than

1853
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:36,520
his other two siblings.

1854
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:37,520
Yeah.

1855
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,400
And then he realized why he felt the need to act out more.

1856
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:41,400
Yeah, definitely.

1857
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:42,400
I don't know.

1858
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,720
Well, man, it was fun hanging out with you, my butt's asleep.

1859
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:46,720
Mine too.

1860
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:47,720
That was a doozy.

1861
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:48,720
I'm starving.

1862
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:49,720
Absolutely.

1863
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:50,720
Thank you guys for joining us again.

1864
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:52,000
We hope you're enjoying the mental breakdowns as well.

1865
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:55,480
We had one come out Monday and then this case will be out, you know, when it comes out.

1866
01:31:55,480 --> 01:31:57,840
And we're just going to keep doing it.

1867
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,840
I have a couple of already cases that are already like research, I'm ready to record

1868
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:02,440
and just put this all out there.

1869
01:32:02,440 --> 01:32:09,400
So I just started looking into the case that I want to do and we say this every time, we're

1870
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:10,520
going to do something a little different.

1871
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,320
Like it's going to be different than the other ones.

1872
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,440
My next one's going to be really different.

1873
01:32:14,440 --> 01:32:19,600
So I'm really excited for the upcoming cases.

1874
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:21,680
And yeah, just thank you guys so much for listening to us again.

1875
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:27,080
All of our Instagram handles are diagnosing a killer except for Twitter, which is at killer

1876
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:28,080
diagnosis.

1877
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:29,880
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1878
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:32,880
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01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,840
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01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:39,880
Click the link in our show notes if you are interested in anything that we have to offer.

1881
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:43,680
Those do not expire unless we say otherwise on the ad.

1882
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:46,600
But that is all I have.

1883
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:47,600
I am starving.

1884
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:48,600
Me too.

1885
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:49,600
We're going to go eat dinner.

1886
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:50,600
All right.

1887
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:51,600
Okay.

1888
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:52,600
Love you.

1889
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:53,600
Bye.

1890
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:54,600
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