1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,000 Hello! 2 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Hello! 3 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Welcome to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer Mental Breakdown Edition. 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Woohoo! 5 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:08,000 I'm Koelle. 6 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,000 I'm Kenna. 7 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Welcome back, y'all! 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,000 I am so excited. 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,800 Kenna's really excited. 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,800 Everybody has been requesting a new episode of a mental breakdown, so we are brolling 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,560 you one or two or three or more. 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,720 Oh yes, I'm really excited to get back into these. 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,440 I think that we got really excited about the cases and we started doing that, and then 14 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,160 we got really long cases, which I really like. 15 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:55,400 I know people have been really enjoying those, but it's nice to kind of go back to the psychology 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:56,400 part of the podcast. 17 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,560 I know we've kind of been really heavy on true crimes, and now we're going to go a little 18 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,720 bit back, but don't worry, we're still going to have those true crime cases coming out every 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:04,840 week like they have been. 20 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,480 We're just going to pepper in some mental breakdowns every once in a while. 21 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:09,480 Pepper in. 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:10,480 Just a pepper in. 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:11,480 Pepper Bay. 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:17,040 So before we begin, I do want to just read a very sweet Instagram comment that we got. 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,480 I'm not going to put this person's name in because I'm not sure if they're comfortable, 26 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,680 but I did that thing where I was trying to get some followers, some more activity on 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:31,520 our Instagram, and so I followed some people that follow similar true crime podcasts and 28 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:32,520 stuff. 29 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,920 And then a very wonderful person messaged and said, hi, you guys randomly sent me a 30 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,240 follow request a few weeks back, and I looked up the podcast and I'm hooked. 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,120 I just wanted to drop in and say thank you, smiley face. 32 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,680 I love listening to the mental breakdown episodes, especially. 33 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,520 So I'm excited that we're bringing another mental breakdown. 34 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,040 Thank you for that nice post. 35 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,520 Of course, I responded to that, so you got that message, but I like hearing things like 36 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:56,520 that. 37 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,400 It's nice that people are really enjoying that content and they want more of it. 38 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:00,400 Yeah, of course. 39 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,280 And we enjoy doing it. 40 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,160 We were kind of self-conscious about it, I think. 41 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,720 We were like, does anybody really like listen to it or are they that interested? 42 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:14,800 Because some of the content can be very, just like science heavy. 43 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,400 Yeah, very textbook. 44 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:17,400 Right. 45 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,400 So yeah. 46 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,400 But I also asked, I think it was Macy. 47 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,320 I was hanging out with her recently and I said, oh, do you like the mental breakdowns? 48 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:25,680 And I think she was the one that brought it up. 49 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,720 She's like, you haven't had a mental breakdown in a while. 50 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:28,720 What's up with that? 51 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:29,720 And I was like, did you like those? 52 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,720 And she was like, yes, oh my God, I love those. 53 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,400 So we'll go ahead and bring more. 54 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,720 I think it was, I want to say it was Michael when we were hanging out like the other night 55 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,520 and you were all talking about the podcast and stuff and he turned to somebody who hadn't 56 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,640 listened to it and was like, oh, and they do these things called mental breakdowns. 57 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:47,520 I was like, okay, like people really like it. 58 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,320 Yeah, like that was the thing he remembered. 59 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:50,320 Right. 60 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:51,320 Without being prompted to ask. 61 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:52,600 Like we're asking. 62 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,000 I would like to just thank everybody. 63 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,720 I don't know if we said it on the last podcast or not that we have hit 10,000 downloads. 64 00:02:58,720 --> 00:02:59,720 Yes. 65 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:05,040 So thank you guys again for listening and all of your support and all of the activity, 66 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:10,480 you know, you guys do on the social media and emails or comments or just spreading awareness 67 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:11,480 in general. 68 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:12,480 So thank you. 69 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:13,480 Yeah, absolutely. 70 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,320 I think word of mouth was one of our biggest things in the very beginning especially. 71 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:23,640 And I would say on the analytics in the last 30 days, we've had like 1500 almost 2000 downloads 72 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:24,760 just in like the last month. 73 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:25,760 So that's really cool. 74 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:26,760 So yeah. 75 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:27,760 Thank you guys so much. 76 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,680 And if you want to continue to check us out on social media, we do have of course at diagnosing 77 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:38,000 a killer as all of our handles with the exception of Twitter, which is at killer diagnosis. 78 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,840 And then we do have a Patreon, patreon.com slash diagnosing a killer. 79 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,720 If you want to donate to the Patreon, we are getting some, I think we're going to do more 80 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,760 stickers or maybe the patches or pins from our moderators. 81 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,920 Like we talked about a couple episodes ago. 82 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,520 So we'll keep you posted on that for sure. 83 00:03:54,520 --> 00:04:01,920 We're still finagling that because it's a very, it's sublimination is what Saxon said. 84 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:02,920 Sublimination patches. 85 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:08,280 So they actually press the ink into the patch and it can be very tricky if you don't get 86 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:13,960 like the proper, like we were going to try to do a QR code or something. 87 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,760 If there's one little hiccup on it, they'll be worthless. 88 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,800 So we might do our little puzzle piece head guy. 89 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:20,800 Yeah. 90 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:21,800 And that we do. 91 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,200 Even if it doesn't say like the words in the middle, just like the symbol is. 92 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,200 Yeah. 93 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:26,200 It just has to come out super clear. 94 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,200 Oh yeah. 95 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,200 No, for sure. 96 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,000 I was actually going to look through that recently or soon and go ahead and send them 97 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,080 a file of that or whatever. 98 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,120 But yeah, I guess let's get right into it. 99 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,680 I'm excited to hear about your mental breakdown. 100 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,960 So I thought about this briefly before I came up with it. 101 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:49,520 I was like, you know what would be something that I think that my mind always goes back 102 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:55,560 to when I think about previous cases that we've done and how often it comes up in certain 103 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,920 cases and that is narcissistic personality disorder. 104 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,920 It's got Peterson. 105 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:01,920 This one's for you. 106 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:02,920 Oh my God. 107 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:03,920 Okay. 108 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,600 We definitely hear about this all the time. 109 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:06,600 You're completely right. 110 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,320 I feel like, I mean, who was it that we did recently? 111 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,960 It was John Wayne Gacy, like so narcissistic. 112 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,160 Like he doesn't think, he's like, Oh, give me the polygraph test. 113 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:16,160 Like, you know, I could pass that. 114 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,160 I could pass that. 115 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,160 It's just a dumb machine. 116 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,160 You know, it's like a robot. 117 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,640 God, it's like, yeah. 118 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,440 So this is a really interesting one. 119 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:25,440 I feel like you're right. 120 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,320 A lot of people we have covered have had this or at least suspected to have this. 121 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:35,960 So the diagnostic criteria for narcissistic personality disorder is a persuasive pattern 122 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:42,360 of grandiosity in fantasy or behavior, need for attention and a lack of empathy, beginning 123 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:47,040 in early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts as indicated by five or more of 124 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,040 the following. 125 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,640 So I love when we do these like the booboo, literally outlines it. 126 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,120 So I'm just going to read it as follows in the DSM five. 127 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,320 Number one has a grandiose sense of self importance. 128 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:06,120 An example exaggerates achievements and talents and expects to be recognized as superior without 129 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,760 commensurate achievements. 130 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,120 That sounds like you need to call me the colonel. 131 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,120 Yeah. 132 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,880 Go to colonel's house. 133 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,880 Number two is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty 134 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,360 or ideal love. 135 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,560 That sounds like Raven Fernandez. 136 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:25,560 Who? 137 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,000 I don't know that case. 138 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Did we do that one? 139 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,560 That sounds like Raven Fernandez. 140 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:31,560 Yes, it does. 141 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:36,080 I don't know what my mouth got like stuck together. 142 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,160 Maybe I made an innate. 143 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,760 Yes, it does sound like a... 144 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:48,040 Number three believes that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by or 145 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,760 should associate with other special or high status people or institutions. 146 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:53,760 BTK. 147 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:54,760 BTK. 148 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,000 No, John Wayne Gacy with the politics thing. 149 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,000 Yeah. 150 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,960 And he was also part of that... 151 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:01,960 The Waterloo Jaysies. 152 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:02,960 Yeah. 153 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:03,960 Which was in Iowa by the way. 154 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,680 I kept saying Illinois and I'm... 155 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,480 Sounds silly but it's in Iowa. 156 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,080 Well then it made me feel better because I was like, wait a minute, wasn't he here? 157 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,080 And you were like, I don't know. 158 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:16,600 I was like, well then I thought I looked it up and I was like, oh that's close enough. 159 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,560 People will know what we mean. 160 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,640 Number four requires excessive admiration. 161 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,680 Number five has a sense of entitlement. 162 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:31,080 An example, unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic 163 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,600 compliance with his or her expectations. 164 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:35,600 Like you need to do what I say. 165 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:36,600 Yeah. 166 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:37,600 You need to call me the colonel. 167 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:38,600 You need to call me the colonel. 168 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:39,600 Like you just have to. 169 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,600 Number six is inner personally exploitative. 170 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:43,600 Okay. 171 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:48,800 An example, takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends. 172 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,800 Number seven, lacks empathy. 173 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,040 Is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others. 174 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,680 That's obvious. 175 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,880 Number eight is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or 176 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:01,880 her. 177 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:07,640 Nine, shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes. 178 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:08,640 Is that the last one? 179 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,280 Because it sounded like there was more. 180 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,960 Well, didn't you say there was five? 181 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,040 Essentially it would be five or more of the following. 182 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,400 Oh, I see. 183 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:23,880 The essential feature of narcissistic personality disorder is a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, 184 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:29,800 need for admiration and lack of empathy that begins by an early and at early adulthood 185 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,680 and is present in a variety of different contexts. 186 00:08:32,680 --> 00:08:35,800 So it kind of comes on around the same time as like schizophrenia would present itself 187 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:36,800 early 20s. 188 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:41,880 Sure, and I'm sure that people think that like narcissistic personality disorder would 189 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,680 kind of always be in the background or there, which I guess, you know, certain other disorders 190 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:50,480 as well, but they become more apparent when you're able to make like life choices for 191 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:51,480 yourself. 192 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:52,480 Yeah. 193 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,080 And when you don't have, you know, we always talk about routine, when you don't, you're 194 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,560 maybe not living with your parents anymore or you're off to college and you're relying 195 00:08:59,560 --> 00:09:01,160 upon yourself and your brain. 196 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:02,160 That's true. 197 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,560 You know, that more of these signs would be present. 198 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:06,560 That's true. 199 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:10,440 Individuals with this disorder can have a grandiose sense of self-self-importance, which 200 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,160 is the criterion one. 201 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:17,520 They routinely overestimate their abilities and inflate their accomplishments, often appearing 202 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,840 boastful and pretentious. 203 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,480 They may blithely assume that others attribute the same value to their efforts and may be 204 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,640 surprised when the praise they expected and felt that they deserved was not forthcoming. 205 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,440 It's like, um, you're not giving me enough attention or telling me that I'm good enough. 206 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,040 Like, you're not telling me enough times that I'm amazing. 207 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,040 Exactly. 208 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,040 Yes. 209 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:45,160 They feel like their praise doesn't equate to their successes, if that makes any sense. 210 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:46,160 But like, they're perceived successes. 211 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:51,120 I was going to say the successes are usually not there or they're not as like amazing as 212 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,120 they think they are. 213 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,120 Right. 214 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:58,200 Often implicit in the inflated judgments of their own accomplishments is an overestimation 215 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,320 or a devaluation of the contributions of others. 216 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,680 Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder are often preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited 217 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:12,880 success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love, which was criterion two. 218 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:19,040 They may ruminate about long overdue admiration and privilege and compare themselves favorably 219 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,200 with famous or privileged people. 220 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:23,200 Individuals with narcissistic... 221 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,200 Sorry. 222 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,200 It's not... 223 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,520 Okay, so I want to be clear. 224 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,360 I'm not laughing at someone that has the diagnosis. 225 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:37,840 It's just in the sense of the people that we talk about, I'm remembering when they acted 226 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:38,840 like that. 227 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:39,840 Of course we laugh. 228 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:40,840 Yes. 229 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:46,280 It's not everyone that has this diagnosis, of course, is going to be on our podcast. 230 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,960 Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder believe that they are superior, special, or 231 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,680 unique and expect others to recognize them as such criterion three. 232 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:59,240 They may feel like they can only be understood by and should be associated with other people 233 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:05,520 who are special or of high status and may attribute uniqueness, perfect, or gifted qualities 234 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,680 to those whom they associate with. 235 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:12,920 That makes sense as to why we see a lot of these guys searching for a high power position. 236 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,000 They have to be the best at what they do because they want to surround themselves with the 237 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000 best. 238 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,040 Right, exactly. 239 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,760 Individuals with this disorder believe that their needs are special and that they are beyond 240 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,840 the ken of ordinary people. 241 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,560 Their own self-esteem is enhanced or mirrored by the idolized value that they assign to 242 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:31,960 those whom they associate. 243 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,840 They are likely to insist on having only the top person, like a doctor, lawyer, hairdresser, 244 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:42,640 instructor, or be affiliated with the best institutions, but may devalue the credentials 245 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,520 of those who disappoint them. 246 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:50,760 Individuals with this disorder generally require excessive admiration, criterion four. 247 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,240 Their self-esteem is almost invariably very fragile. 248 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,120 They may be preoccupied with how well they are doing and how favourably they are going 249 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,040 to be regarded by others. 250 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,080 This often takes the form of a need for constant attention and admiration. 251 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,600 They may expect their arrival to be greeted with a great fanfare and are astonished if 252 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,400 people do not convey their possessions. 253 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:17,360 It's me, the colonel! 254 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:22,040 It's me, Todd Craves! 255 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:30,440 They may consistently fish for compliments, often with great charm. 256 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:35,120 A sense of entitlement is evident in these individuals' unreasonable expectations of 257 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,440 especially favourable treatment. 258 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:42,680 They expect to be catered to and are puzzled or furious when this does not happen. 259 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:43,680 Puzzled. 260 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:44,680 Puzzled. 261 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:45,680 Confused. 262 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:47,680 I'm just so confused. 263 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:48,680 What? 264 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:53,160 They must not like me, but who could not like me? 265 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,000 For example, they may assume that they do not have to wait in line and that their priorities 266 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,800 are so important that others should just defer to them and then get irritated when others 267 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,120 fail to assist in their very important work. 268 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,440 This sense of entitlement, combined with a lack of sensitivity to the wants and needs 269 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:14,920 of others, may result in a conscious or unwilling exploitation of others' criterion six. 270 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:19,200 They expect to be given whatever they want or feel that they need, no matter what it 271 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,080 might mean for someone else. 272 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,600 For example, these individuals may expect great dedication from others and may overwork 273 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,480 them without regard for the impact on their lives. 274 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:30,480 Geez. 275 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:37,320 It's interesting because the diagnosis, it's so specific and it's so detailed that 276 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:43,360 it's like literally the people in our podcast episodes, they're like this to a T. I know 277 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:48,320 that there's other people in the world that have been diagnosed with narcissistic personality 278 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,320 disorder and they're taking the proper steps with treatment and medication and this is 279 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:58,480 not the case, but it seems like this is just so specific and so much that goes into this 280 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,040 diagnosis that you have to really check a lot of boxes to get diagnosed with this, 281 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:08,120 which is really interesting that explains why a lot of these people have not been diagnosed 282 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,640 with things like that because it's not something that you can just look at someone and be like, 283 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,120 they have one of those behaviors and you have to have all of them consistently. 284 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,120 Right? 285 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,120 And just interesting. 286 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,120 There's a lot. 287 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,960 From the outside as well, I feel like people that could be diagnosed with narcissistic 288 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:27,080 personality disorder have been praised and have been like, wow, they're a really hard 289 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,080 worker. 290 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:29,760 Wow, they dedicate themselves. 291 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:30,760 Wow. 292 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:36,800 And somewhere along the line, they were told so many times they were brilliant that they 293 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:43,520 were made for big things and then you have people that are actors that are narcissistic 294 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:50,400 or politicians or whatever, which we'll get into of course. 295 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:55,800 But yeah, how often it would go undiagnosed, people would think that they're just really 296 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:56,800 hard workers. 297 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:02,240 Yeah, because realistically, especially if it's someone that's not in their inner circle 298 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:08,120 or very close to them, that might be the only symptom that that person sees. 299 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:15,440 So they don't realize that that is a laundry list of other things that need to be checked 300 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:16,800 off to be diagnosed with this. 301 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:17,800 All they see is the praise. 302 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:18,800 Right. 303 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,360 And all they see is the good thing like, oh, they're a hard worker, all that stuff. 304 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:22,360 Sure. 305 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:27,520 And how many people are flying under the radar that are radar that are internet influencers 306 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:35,600 or TikTok famous or whatever, because all they're doing is getting their ego fed or 307 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,760 that disorder fed by strangers. 308 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,600 And that feels good to them. 309 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:45,560 And everybody else that's in their inner circle is like, no, that person has a problem. 310 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:51,880 Well, also, there's a lot of people that I'm sure even their close friends or family don't 311 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,600 recognize that there is a problem. 312 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,480 And unfortunately, those are the kind of people that are going to go undiagnosed forever. 313 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:03,440 And unfortunately, again, that sometimes leads them to doing really shitty stuff. 314 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,920 And so it's just, it's hard because it's like the actions that you're describing and 315 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,480 the things that you're saying that meet the criteria are things that like, you know, I 316 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,920 even will say myself, like I would be like turned off by, I'd be like, oh my God, like 317 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,560 that person's annoying or that person's too much or whatever. 318 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,600 But when you really think about it, it's like, does that person need treatment, you know, 319 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:23,600 and diagnosis? 320 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:24,600 For sure. 321 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,360 And unfortunately, I think that they're probably the only people that can really recognize 322 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:28,680 that and see treatment. 323 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:29,680 Exactly. 324 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:34,240 They tend to form relationships or romantic relationships only if the other person seems 325 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:39,880 likely to advance their purpose or otherwise enhance their self-esteem, like trophy-wise. 326 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,680 That sounds like Raven Fernandez. 327 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:42,680 Yes, right. 328 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:48,080 They often usurp special privileges and extra resources that they believe they deserve because 329 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,320 they are so special. 330 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,600 Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder, disor... disor... 331 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:54,600 Dissol. 332 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:55,600 Dissol. 333 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:01,760 Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder generally have a lack of empathy and have 334 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:07,040 difficulty recognizing the desires, objective experiences, and feelings of others' criteria 335 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,040 in seven. 336 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,240 So it's the lack of empathy as well as the narcissistic. 337 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:15,080 They don't realize that, like, this empathy is not there, so they can't understand that 338 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,760 they're maybe affecting people. 339 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,480 Yeah, exactly. 340 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,840 They assume that others are totally concerned about their welfare. 341 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:27,400 They tend to discuss their own concerns in inappropriate and lengthy details while failing 342 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,280 to recognize that others also have feelings and needs. 343 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:31,280 Yeah. 344 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,320 Wow, that sounds like somebody I know. 345 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,680 Have you seen that one guy on TikTok? 346 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:37,680 I don't know his name. 347 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,960 I think his name is Cameron, and he does the different POVs. 348 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,880 He has the wigs or whatever, and he always does the mom that's jealous of her kid or 349 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,880 the friend that only talks about themselves. 350 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:48,960 Is he the orange-haired guy or the red-headed guy? 351 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:49,960 He has a bunch of different wigs. 352 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,520 Sometimes they'll have a short blonde wig or a long... 353 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,520 I'm thinking of a guy that has a red beard, white guy. 354 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:56,520 No, he has another beard. 355 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,120 Okay, he looks like he would be Scottish or something. 356 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:00,240 Anyway, so he does those... 357 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,320 The friend that says things in inappropriate time or the friend that tries to one-up you 358 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:08,040 on your tragedy or whatever, and this person's like, oh my god, my grandpa died. 359 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,120 He's like, oh my god, my grandpa died five years ago, so I don't know. 360 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:12,120 Get over it. 361 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:13,120 Yeah, that kind of thing. 362 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:16,600 That's what it means, inappropriate, making it about themselves. 363 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,360 You know what it's not. 364 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:22,680 Yeah, so I ended up finding the TikTok because I really like this guy. 365 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:30,160 His name is Cameron Perez and his ad is atoutpig with two T's, O-U-T-T, P-G. 366 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,480 Everyone probably knows, not everyone, but a lot of people probably know who he is, but 367 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:40,080 still, I don't know. 368 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,520 Shopping for your pet has never been easier. 369 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,640 From crates and carriers to collars and leashes, dog.com is your one-stop shop for all of your 370 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:48,960 dog's supply needs. 371 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:54,160 Dog.com not only offers a varied assortment of products and accessories for your pet, 372 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,040 but they also sponsor a donations program to help pets in need. 373 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,560 With dog.com, you will easily find everything you need for your furry best friend. 374 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:11,560 Click the link in the show notes below for up to 30% off your first online order. 375 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,520 They are often the contemptuous and impatient with others who talk about their own problems 376 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:16,880 and concerns. 377 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,880 These individuals may be oblivious to the hurt their remarks may inflict. 378 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,800 IG, EG, whatever an example. 379 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:30,040 Exuberantly telling a former lover that quote, I am now in the relationship of a lifetime. 380 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,040 End quote. 381 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,080 Like no one fucking cares. 382 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,800 Boasting in health in front of someone who is sick, like, oh, I feel great. 383 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:39,800 Yeah. 384 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,800 That was literally me this morning. 385 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,720 Casey was all hungover and I was like, I feel fine. 386 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:46,960 I could go on a run. 387 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,720 I would feel great right now. 388 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:49,720 Do I have to? 389 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:50,720 That's awful. 390 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,720 No, I did say that though. 391 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,280 I feel really bad for me. 392 00:19:55,280 --> 00:20:00,880 When recognized, the needs, desires, or feelings of others are likely to be viewed as disparagingly 393 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,440 as signs of weakness or vulnerability. 394 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,840 Okay, because people get sick. 395 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,840 Because you're sick, pussy. 396 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,840 Fucking, ugh, irks me. 397 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:16,320 And I know that not everyone with this is like that, but it's like, oh, that just bugs 398 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,320 me. 399 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,800 Okay, so this might be like, okay, so like a microaggression, right? 400 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,680 But definitely if somebody is like, should have taken that echinacea. 401 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:23,680 Yeah. 402 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:24,680 You know what I mean? 403 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:25,680 I hate that. 404 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:26,680 Me too. 405 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:27,680 Oh, thanks, Karen. 406 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:28,680 Shit, I could have watered. 407 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:29,680 Yeah, exactly. 408 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:30,680 Yep. 409 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:31,680 Oh, God. 410 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,240 Get out of my face with your echinacea, Karen. 411 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,200 Those who relate to the individual are, well, I, we, we, we, we, we, we, we. 412 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,600 Those who relate to individuals with narcissistic personality disorder typically find an emotional 413 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,560 coldness and lack of reciprocal interests. 414 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:47,760 Duh. 415 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:53,040 These individuals are often envious of others or believe that others are envious of them. 416 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,040 Criterion eight. 417 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:58,120 They may begrudge others their successes or possessions, feeling that they better deserve 418 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:00,960 those achievements, admiration or privileges. 419 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:06,200 They may harshly devalue the contributions of others, particularly when those individuals 420 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,640 have received acknowledgement or praise for their accomplishments. 421 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,360 Errigan, haughty behaviors characterize these individuals. 422 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:18,640 They often display snobbish, disdainful or patronizing attitudes. 423 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:19,880 Criterion nine. 424 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:25,200 For example, an individual with this do disorder may complain about a clumsy waiter's rudeness 425 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:32,640 or stupidity or conclude a medical evaluation with a condescending evaluation of the physician. 426 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,920 Like they're going to tell a doctor that they're wrong. 427 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:35,920 Yeah. 428 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,480 They're going to tell you what they're going to say, but like that guy's a liar, you know? 429 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,480 Where did you get your medical degrees? 430 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:42,640 Stupid college? 431 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:43,640 Yeah. 432 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:44,640 Literally though. 433 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,040 And it's like, it's, oh, it's like the polygraph thing. 434 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,680 Go ahead and polygraph me. 435 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,680 Yeah. 436 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:50,960 Well, the polygrapher was obviously wrong. 437 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:51,960 He doesn't know how to read a polygraph. 438 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,120 Yeah, exactly. 439 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:55,120 He didn't ask the right questions. 440 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:56,120 Exactly. 441 00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:57,720 Oh, that happens all the time, doesn't it? 442 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,200 Everyone else's fault. 443 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,280 Anybody who's ever seen a fucking Mari episode knows. 444 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,280 Yeah, literally. 445 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,080 So it's like, no, it's a lie, it's a lie, there's no way. 446 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,440 But it's like, no, it's a, it's a truth telling thing. 447 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:10,440 Machine. 448 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,760 Vulnerability and self-esteem makes individuals with narcissistic personality disorder very 449 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,840 sensitive to injury from criticism or defeat. 450 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,080 Oh yeah, they can give it, but they can't take it. 451 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,920 Although they might not show it outwardly, criticism may haunt these individuals and 452 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,640 leave them feeling humiliated, degraded, hollow and empty. 453 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,600 Well that makes sense because the people that we've talked about on like podcasts have 454 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,600 had that criticism when they were younger and then they harbor those feelings and then 455 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,040 it comes out later in rage. 456 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,040 It's true. 457 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:43,200 They may react with disdain, rage or defiant counter attacks. 458 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:48,880 Such experiences often lead to a social withdrawal or an appearance of humility that may mask 459 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,560 and protect the grandiosity. 460 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:59,640 Because the social withdrawal would maybe resemble like taking a step back and like settling 461 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,960 for a moment and then people are like, I'm so sorry. 462 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:04,960 You know what I mean? 463 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:05,960 Yeah, that's true. 464 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:06,960 You ever feel like that with somebody? 465 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,920 Like, where you feel like they, like they recoil? 466 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:16,840 But it's not because they're apologetic or they feel like humility. 467 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:23,200 It's because they're so, they're so defeated. 468 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,960 Interpersonal relations are typically impaired because of the problems derived from the entitlement, 469 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:33,440 the need for admiration and the relative disregard for the sensitivity of others. 470 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,840 Though overweening ambition and confidence may lead to high achievement, performance 471 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,000 may be disrupted because of an intolerance of criticism or defeat. 472 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,240 So like there's no real room for growth, right? 473 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,240 Yeah, exactly. 474 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:50,240 Like, again, what we were saying earlier, it looks like someone is a really hard worker 475 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:56,320 or whatever it is, which looks great, but the fact that they can't take criticism, they're 476 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,520 not really growing in any kind of a real way. 477 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:06,000 Sometimes vocational functioning can be very low, reflecting an unwillingness to take a 478 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,920 risk in competitive or other situations in which defeat might be possible. 479 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:10,920 Oh, wow. 480 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,160 And that's like kind of like that perfectionism. 481 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:19,800 I was called a perfectionist when I was like 19 or 20 years old and I was like, what do 482 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:20,800 you mean a perfectionist? 483 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,720 Like, I don't go to school, I don't have a job. 484 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,960 I'm like, what do you mean perfectionist? 485 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,040 And they're like, you're afraid to fail. 486 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,320 That's why you don't push yourself. 487 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,320 Push yourself and fail, you know? 488 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,320 Yeah. 489 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,640 Sustained feelings of shame or humiliation and the attendant self-criticism may be associated 490 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:44,840 with social withdrawal, depressed mood, and persistent depressive disorder, or major depressive 491 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:45,840 disorder. 492 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:52,880 In contrast, sustained periods of grandiosity may be associated with a hypnomanic mood. 493 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,800 Narcissistic personality disorder is also associated with anorexia nervosa and substance 494 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,520 use disorders, especially related to cocaine. 495 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,320 Well that makes sense, comorbidity of substance use, but I didn't see anorexia being a part 496 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,320 of that. 497 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,320 Me neither. 498 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,840 But I guess like with the pressure to be perfect. 499 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:10,840 Be perfect. 500 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:11,840 Yeah, that's true. 501 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,520 Or somebody's idea of perfect. 502 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,960 Hystronic, borderline, antisocial, and paranoid personality disorders may be associated with 503 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,720 the narcissistic personality disorder. 504 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:28,120 Prevalence estimates for narcissistic personality disorder based on the DSM-5 definitions range 505 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:32,240 from 0% to 6.2% in community samples. 506 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,240 0%. 507 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,440 I guess it means like 0.2 or 0.1. 508 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,440 Yeah, interesting. 509 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,080 I guess, I don't know. 510 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,640 That's a really low prevalence though. 511 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,120 I feel like it. 512 00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:43,920 Yeah, 6.2. 513 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,560 But that's also prevalence considering the amount of people that have been diagnosed. 514 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,880 That doesn't include people that are undiagnosed and how all these symptoms. 515 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,600 That's true. 516 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,000 Narcissistic traits may be particularly common in adolescence and do not necessarily indicate 517 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,640 that the individual will go on to have narcissistic personality disorder. 518 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,720 Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder may have special difficulties adjusting 519 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,400 to the onset of physical and occupational limitations that are inherent in the aging 520 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,560 process. 521 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:17,720 So like when one gets older, they might have difficulty accepting that like their body 522 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,720 gives them limitations. 523 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,680 Yeah, and they like it's changes and stuff like physically. 524 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,680 Things that they can't probably control. 525 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,120 That's awful. 526 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:32,320 Of those diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder, 50% to 75% are male. 527 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,320 Really? 528 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,320 That's a lot. 529 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,320 That's a high number. 530 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,320 That's interesting. 531 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,320 That's a high number. 532 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,200 Other personality disorders may be confused with narcissistic personality disorder because 533 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,080 they have certain features in common. 534 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,040 It is therefore important to distinguish among these disorders based on the differences in 535 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,960 their characteristic features. 536 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,400 However, if an individual has personality features that meet criteria for one or more 537 00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:00,960 personality disorders in addition to narcissistic personality disorder, all can be diagnosed. 538 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,960 Oh wow. 539 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:02,960 That's kind of interesting. 540 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,080 That is interesting because usually it's like the most forward presenting illness is 541 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,080 the diagnosis. 542 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,080 Right. 543 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,240 But I feel like usually people don't get diagnosed with more than one personality disorder. 544 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,240 Maybe they do. 545 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,240 I don't know. 546 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:20,160 The most useful feature in discriminating narcissistic personality disorder from historonic, antisocial, 547 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:25,120 and borderline personality disorders in which the interactive styles are callous and needy, 548 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:30,080 respectively, is the grandiosity of characteristics in narcissistic personality disorder. 549 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,080 Yep. 550 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,320 Well, that makes sense because borderline, the person is not full of themselves. 551 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,040 It's quite the opposite. 552 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:42,480 Antisocial, they don't want to speak to anybody else in a nutshell, so they don't get that 553 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,480 praise. 554 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,240 Then historonic is like hysteria. 555 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,120 So that's kind of personalized rather than outward. 556 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:55,280 The relative sustainability of self-image as well as the relative lack of self-destructiveness, 557 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,800 impulsivity, and abandonment concerns have also helped distinguish narcissistic personality 558 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,720 disorder from borderline personality disorder. 559 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,600 Excessive pride and achievements as relative lack of emotional display and disdain for other 560 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,480 sensitivities can help distinguish narcissistic personality disorder from historonic personality 561 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,480 disorder. 562 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,000 So I guess we're going to explain it a little bit. 563 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,600 I know I'm looking exactly what I just said. 564 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,840 Although individuals with borderline, historonic, and narcissistic personality disorder may require 565 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:29,360 much attention, those with narcissistic personality disorder specifically need that attention to 566 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,800 be admiring of them. 567 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,120 That makes sense. 568 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,920 Individuals with antisocial and narcissistic personality disorder share a tendency to be 569 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:44,160 tough-minded, glib, superficial, exploitative, and unempathetic, like Kristin Gilbert. 570 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,120 I think she was anti. 571 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,560 However, narcissistic personality disorder does not necessarily include characteristics 572 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,360 of impulsivity, aggression, and deceit, like Kristin Gilbert. 573 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,960 In addition, individuals with antisocial personality disorder may not be as needy of 574 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:05,320 the admiration and envy of others, and persons with narcissistic personality disorder usually 575 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:13,240 lack the history of conduct disorder in childhood or criminal behavior as an adulthood. 576 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,840 In both narcissistic personality disorder and obsessive compulsive personality disorder, 577 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:24,000 the individual may profess a commitment to perfectionism and believe that others cannot 578 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,520 do things as well as they can. 579 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,200 Why are you going to call me out like that? 580 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,920 In contrast to the accompanying self-criticism of those with obsessive compulsive personality 581 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,520 disorder, individuals with narcissistic personality disorder are more likely to believe that they 582 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,360 have achieved perfection. 583 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,480 Dignities and social withdrawal usually distinguish those with schizotypal or paranoid personality 584 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,160 disorder from those with narcissistic personality disorder. 585 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,280 That's so interesting, like the differences and just the word, like it's a completely 586 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,280 different diagnosis. 587 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,280 Exactly. 588 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,960 But you kind of just think it's all personality personality, you know, that it might be the 589 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,520 same, but it's these little tiny bits and grabs that are different. 590 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,960 People lump personality disorders together all the time. 591 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:08,960 Right. 592 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:09,960 Like they're the same. 593 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,280 But with type of and paranoid personality disorder, when these qualities are present 594 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:19,080 in individuals with narcissistic personality disorder, they derive primarily from fears 595 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:24,160 of having imperfections or flaws, which is also really interesting. 596 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:29,160 I was going to say with OCPD, like, yeah, you better believe that I never have thought 597 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,480 that I've achieved perfection. 598 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,960 That's like the complete opposite of my mindset all the time. 599 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,920 Many highly successful individuals display personality traits that might be considered 600 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:45,080 to be narcissistic, only when these traits are inflexible, maladapted and persisting 601 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,920 and causing significant functional impairment or subjective distress. 602 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,240 Do they constitute as narcissistic personality disorder? 603 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,240 Okay. 604 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:59,840 Grandiosity may emerge as a part of a manic or hypomanic episode, but the association with 605 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,240 mood change or functional impairments helps distinguish these episodes from narcissistic 606 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,680 personality disorder. 607 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,520 Narcissistic personality disorder must also be distinguished from symptoms that may develop 608 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,320 in association with persistent substance abuse. 609 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:23,040 Because you can have that grandiose sense of self because of the use of cocaine or methamphetamines. 610 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,120 It can go comorbidity hand in hand. 611 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,120 PCP. 612 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,120 Yeah, exactly. 613 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,120 I'm invincible. 614 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,760 I'm the strongest person in the world. 615 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,920 No one else is stronger than me. 616 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,840 I only want to hang out with people that are as strong as me. 617 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,160 Well, that's really interesting. 618 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,560 I'm glad that you did that one. 619 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,560 Do you want to listen to some celebrities? 620 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,040 Of course I do. 621 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:51,000 So these are my famous people that may or may not suffer from narcissistic personality 622 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,000 disorder. 623 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,640 You be the judge. 624 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:54,640 Donald Trump. 625 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,720 Not to be mean. 626 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,160 Not to be mean. 627 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,400 Psychologists have actually weighed in on why the man might be experiencing narcissistic 628 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,600 personality disorder, mainly that he boasts and exaggerates his successes and that he seemingly 629 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,720 tears down other people with words with little to no understanding of the power of the accusation 630 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,080 or remorse for what he said. 631 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,120 He does kind of say things without caring about backlash. 632 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,120 Right. 633 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,120 I will say that. 634 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,120 Yeah. 635 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,120 Mark Zuckerberg. 636 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,600 Labeled as a productive narcissist, Zuckerberg is notorious for his cutthroat approach when 637 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,520 it comes to business being described as aggressive and competitive and rarely follows the perceived 638 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,000 rules or courtesy when it comes to business deals. 639 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,240 I haven't really seen much about him other than he may be a robot. 640 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,240 Yeah. 641 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,160 That's all I really know about him. 642 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,160 Tiger Woods. 643 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,160 Oh. 644 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,160 It's been said that every relationship that he has is purely transactional. 645 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,120 If you don't have something that he wants or he feels like he can't gain something from 646 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,720 you, he won't deal with you. 647 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,720 Wow. 648 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,120 Well, he was also like forced into that perfectionism role as a child as well. 649 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,120 Oh yeah. 650 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,120 Kanye West. 651 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:04,080 Madonna, she claimed that she and her husband Guy Ritchie were able to develop a... 652 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,080 What happened to Kanye? 653 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,320 What do you mean, didn't happen to Kanye? 654 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,320 Do I need to explain it? 655 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,320 There's no explanation there. 656 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,320 I've put it in there. 657 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,320 I've put it in there. 658 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,680 There's no explanation needed. 659 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,600 The man thinks he's God. 660 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,600 Come on. 661 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,600 Madonna. 662 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,960 Madonna had actually claimed recently that her and her husband Guy Ritchie were able 663 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:30,440 to develop a quote, cabala water, end quote, and that is used to neutralize radiation, 664 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:37,360 saying that they would clean up Ukraine lakes with this mystical magical liquid. 665 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,840 That would be cool. 666 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,440 This is a quote from Madonna. 667 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,960 According to science, we aren't going to have a planet in about 50 years at the rate 668 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,280 we're going with nuclear waste. 669 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:52,400 I can write the greatest songs and make the most fabulous films and be a fashion icon 670 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,400 and conquer the world. 671 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,280 But if there isn't a world to conquer, what's the point? 672 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,280 Oh. 673 00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,280 End quote. 674 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:00,280 That sounds slightly narcissistic. 675 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,280 Just a little bit. 676 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,280 Yeah. 677 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,760 She made magical cabala water that she's going to bless the lakes with and therefore 678 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,760 will take out the radiation of the water. 679 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,760 Okay. 680 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:11,760 Cool. 681 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:12,960 So that's my list of celebrities. 682 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,000 If you want to look up your own list, there's about a thousand of them. 683 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,000 Really? 684 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,000 If not a million. 685 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000 And yes. 686 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,000 That's wild. 687 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:27,120 And we talked about how if somebody is displaying these types of behaviors that they could get 688 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:32,400 a lot of praise for having certain types of behaviors or characteristics and they just 689 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,760 continue to go with it. 690 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,760 That's true. 691 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,760 Yeah. 692 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:41,720 There's probably been a billion people as many as that I've said no have said yes and 693 00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:43,920 have supported. 694 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,360 Everybody knows that Brittany is going through something, right? 695 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,880 But how many people have told her yes, go, go, go, you're perfect, you're perfect, you're 696 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,000 perfect, you're perfect, you're perfect and how much that can weigh on somebody? 697 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,000 I mean she's just an example. 698 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,720 I'm not saying that she has narcissistic personality disorder or anything like that. 699 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:05,880 But how much that must feed into someone's ego or reality is no longer a thing. 700 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:06,880 Exactly. 701 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:07,880 Like Kanye West. 702 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:08,880 Yeah. 703 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,120 That's really interesting and I think you're right. 704 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,040 Like a lot of people that are famous, they probably got there because of narcissistic 705 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:20,000 tendencies, maybe they don't meet all of the criteria to be diagnosed with it but there 706 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,720 must be at least one or two of those things in there for a lot of people that are very 707 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:24,720 successful. 708 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,320 But it makes sense. 709 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,600 I mean hardworking up to the top, like a lot of people that we've talked about on the podcast 710 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:36,400 have had very nice jobs and shit, fucking John Wayne Gacy had special privileges with 711 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,400 the Secret Service. 712 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,400 Yeah. 713 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,400 Like how did she do that? 714 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,400 It's true. 715 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,760 She was murdered in that role, not only that but they can honestly be praised for being 716 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:51,280 so cutthroat because without the emotion there, they can be this perfect little corporate 717 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,280 robot or whatever that a lot of people like. 718 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,800 I mean businesses like, not people. 719 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:56,800 Yeah. 720 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,800 That's true. 721 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:58,800 Well that was a good one. 722 00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,800 I'm glad you brought that. 723 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:00,800 Thanks for the topic today. 724 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,800 I hope that you guys are excited that we have another mental breakdown that we're obviously 725 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,960 happy that we can do this and we wanted to get back into these as well. 726 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:14,320 So we're not going to let it affect our episodes, the true crime cases and all that good stuff. 727 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,640 We're just going to kind of pepper these in every once in a while when we have a little 728 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:18,640 bit of a break. 729 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,800 But yeah, thank you guys for listening and we will see you soon with another case. 730 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:24,800 Yes. 731 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,800 And I'm excited. 732 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,360 I'm almost out with my research and so are you. 733 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,360 Yes. 734 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:29,600 And we've talked about how we're getting super close. 735 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,320 So that's awesome. 736 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,320 Email us. 737 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,480 Let us know what you guys want to hear even if it is a mental breakdown topic. 738 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,040 Let us know if you guys want to hear more about it. 739 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,080 We're happy to do the research and get all that good content out there for you. 740 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,080 But yeah, anything else? 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