Hello!
Welcome to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer Mental Breakdown Edition.
Woohoo!
I'm Koelle.
I'm Kenna.
Welcome back, y'all!
I am so excited.
Kenna's really excited.
Everybody has been requesting a new episode of a mental breakdown, so we are brolling
you one or two or three or more.
Oh yes, I'm really excited to get back into these.
I think that we got really excited about the cases and we started doing that, and then
we got really long cases, which I really like.
I know people have been really enjoying those, but it's nice to kind of go back to the psychology
part of the podcast.
I know we've kind of been really heavy on true crimes, and now we're going to go a little
bit back, but don't worry, we're still going to have those true crime cases coming out every
week like they have been.
We're just going to pepper in some mental breakdowns every once in a while.
Pepper in.
Just a pepper in.
Pepper Bay.
So before we begin, I do want to just read a very sweet Instagram comment that we got.
I'm not going to put this person's name in because I'm not sure if they're comfortable,
but I did that thing where I was trying to get some followers, some more activity on
our Instagram, and so I followed some people that follow similar true crime podcasts and
stuff.
And then a very wonderful person messaged and said, hi, you guys randomly sent me a
follow request a few weeks back, and I looked up the podcast and I'm hooked.
I just wanted to drop in and say thank you, smiley face.
I love listening to the mental breakdown episodes, especially.
So I'm excited that we're bringing another mental breakdown.
Thank you for that nice post.
Of course, I responded to that, so you got that message, but I like hearing things like
that.
It's nice that people are really enjoying that content and they want more of it.
Yeah, of course.
And we enjoy doing it.
We were kind of self-conscious about it, I think.
We were like, does anybody really like listen to it or are they that interested?
Because some of the content can be very, just like science heavy.
Yeah, very textbook.
Right.
So yeah.
But I also asked, I think it was Macy.
I was hanging out with her recently and I said, oh, do you like the mental breakdowns?
And I think she was the one that brought it up.
She's like, you haven't had a mental breakdown in a while.
What's up with that?
And I was like, did you like those?
And she was like, yes, oh my God, I love those.
So we'll go ahead and bring more.
I think it was, I want to say it was Michael when we were hanging out like the other night
and you were all talking about the podcast and stuff and he turned to somebody who hadn't
listened to it and was like, oh, and they do these things called mental breakdowns.
I was like, okay, like people really like it.
Yeah, like that was the thing he remembered.
Right.
Without being prompted to ask.
Like we're asking.
I would like to just thank everybody.
I don't know if we said it on the last podcast or not that we have hit 10,000 downloads.
Yes.
So thank you guys again for listening and all of your support and all of the activity,
you know, you guys do on the social media and emails or comments or just spreading awareness
in general.
So thank you.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think word of mouth was one of our biggest things in the very beginning especially.
And I would say on the analytics in the last 30 days, we've had like 1500 almost 2000 downloads
just in like the last month.
So that's really cool.
So yeah.
Thank you guys so much.
And if you want to continue to check us out on social media, we do have of course at diagnosing
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And then we do have a Patreon, patreon.com slash diagnosing a killer.
If you want to donate to the Patreon, we are getting some, I think we're going to do more
stickers or maybe the patches or pins from our moderators.
Like we talked about a couple episodes ago.
So we'll keep you posted on that for sure.
We're still finagling that because it's a very, it's sublimination is what Saxon said.
Sublimination patches.
So they actually press the ink into the patch and it can be very tricky if you don't get
like the proper, like we were going to try to do a QR code or something.
If there's one little hiccup on it, they'll be worthless.
So we might do our little puzzle piece head guy.
Yeah.
And that we do.
Even if it doesn't say like the words in the middle, just like the symbol is.
Yeah.
It just has to come out super clear.
Oh yeah.
No, for sure.
I was actually going to look through that recently or soon and go ahead and send them
a file of that or whatever.
But yeah, I guess let's get right into it.
I'm excited to hear about your mental breakdown.
So I thought about this briefly before I came up with it.
I was like, you know what would be something that I think that my mind always goes back
to when I think about previous cases that we've done and how often it comes up in certain
cases and that is narcissistic personality disorder.
It's got Peterson.
This one's for you.
Oh my God.
Okay.
We definitely hear about this all the time.
You're completely right.
I feel like, I mean, who was it that we did recently?
It was John Wayne Gacy, like so narcissistic.
Like he doesn't think, he's like, Oh, give me the polygraph test.
Like, you know, I could pass that.
I could pass that.
It's just a dumb machine.
You know, it's like a robot.
God, it's like, yeah.
So this is a really interesting one.
I feel like you're right.
A lot of people we have covered have had this or at least suspected to have this.
So the diagnostic criteria for narcissistic personality disorder is a persuasive pattern
of grandiosity in fantasy or behavior, need for attention and a lack of empathy, beginning
in early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts as indicated by five or more of
the following.
So I love when we do these like the booboo, literally outlines it.
So I'm just going to read it as follows in the DSM five.
Number one has a grandiose sense of self importance.
An example exaggerates achievements and talents and expects to be recognized as superior without
commensurate achievements.
That sounds like you need to call me the colonel.
Yeah.
Go to colonel's house.
Number two is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty
or ideal love.
That sounds like Raven Fernandez.
Who?
I don't know that case.
Did we do that one?
That sounds like Raven Fernandez.
Yes, it does.
I don't know what my mouth got like stuck together.
Maybe I made an innate.
Yes, it does sound like a...
Number three believes that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by or
should associate with other special or high status people or institutions.
BTK.
No, John Wayne Gacy with the politics thing.
Yeah.
And he was also part of that...
The Waterloo Jaysies.
Yeah.
Which was in Iowa by the way.
I kept saying Illinois and I'm...
Sounds silly but it's in Iowa.
Well then it made me feel better because I was like, wait a minute, wasn't he here?
And you were like, I don't know.
I was like, well then I thought I looked it up and I was like, oh that's close enough.
People will know what we mean.
Number four requires excessive admiration.
Number five has a sense of entitlement.
An example, unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic
compliance with his or her expectations.
Like you need to do what I say.
Yeah.
You need to call me the colonel.
Like you just have to.
Number six is inner personally exploitative.
Okay.
An example, takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends.
Number seven, lacks empathy.
Is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
That's obvious.
Number eight is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or
her.
Nine, shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.
Is that the last one?
Because it sounded like there was more.
Well, didn't you say there was five?
Essentially it would be five or more of the following.
Oh, I see.
The essential feature of narcissistic personality disorder is a pervasive pattern of grandiosity,
need for admiration and lack of empathy that begins by an early and at early adulthood
and is present in a variety of different contexts.
So it kind of comes on around the same time as like schizophrenia would present itself
early 20s.
Sure, and I'm sure that people think that like narcissistic personality disorder would
kind of always be in the background or there, which I guess, you know, certain other disorders
as well, but they become more apparent when you're able to make like life choices for
yourself.
Yeah.
And when you don't have, you know, we always talk about routine, when you don't, you're
maybe not living with your parents anymore or you're off to college and you're relying
upon yourself and your brain.
That's true.
You know, that more of these signs would be present.
That's true.
Individuals with this disorder can have a grandiose sense of self-self-importance, which
is the criterion one.
They routinely overestimate their abilities and inflate their accomplishments, often appearing
boastful and pretentious.
They may blithely assume that others attribute the same value to their efforts and may be
surprised when the praise they expected and felt that they deserved was not forthcoming.
It's like, um, you're not giving me enough attention or telling me that I'm good enough.
Like, you're not telling me enough times that I'm amazing.
Exactly.
Yes.
They feel like their praise doesn't equate to their successes, if that makes any sense.
But like, they're perceived successes.
I was going to say the successes are usually not there or they're not as like amazing as
they think they are.
Right.
Often implicit in the inflated judgments of their own accomplishments is an overestimation
or a devaluation of the contributions of others.
Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder are often preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited
success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love, which was criterion two.
They may ruminate about long overdue admiration and privilege and compare themselves favorably
with famous or privileged people.
Individuals with narcissistic...
Sorry.
It's not...
Okay, so I want to be clear.
I'm not laughing at someone that has the diagnosis.
It's just in the sense of the people that we talk about, I'm remembering when they acted
like that.
Of course we laugh.
Yes.
It's not everyone that has this diagnosis, of course, is going to be on our podcast.
Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder believe that they are superior, special, or
unique and expect others to recognize them as such criterion three.
They may feel like they can only be understood by and should be associated with other people
who are special or of high status and may attribute uniqueness, perfect, or gifted qualities
to those whom they associate with.
That makes sense as to why we see a lot of these guys searching for a high power position.
They have to be the best at what they do because they want to surround themselves with the
best.
Right, exactly.
Individuals with this disorder believe that their needs are special and that they are beyond
the ken of ordinary people.
Their own self-esteem is enhanced or mirrored by the idolized value that they assign to
those whom they associate.
They are likely to insist on having only the top person, like a doctor, lawyer, hairdresser,
instructor, or be affiliated with the best institutions, but may devalue the credentials
of those who disappoint them.
Individuals with this disorder generally require excessive admiration, criterion four.
Their self-esteem is almost invariably very fragile.
They may be preoccupied with how well they are doing and how favourably they are going
to be regarded by others.
This often takes the form of a need for constant attention and admiration.
They may expect their arrival to be greeted with a great fanfare and are astonished if
people do not convey their possessions.
It's me, the colonel!
It's me, Todd Craves!
They may consistently fish for compliments, often with great charm.
A sense of entitlement is evident in these individuals' unreasonable expectations of
especially favourable treatment.
They expect to be catered to and are puzzled or furious when this does not happen.
Puzzled.
Confused.
I'm just so confused.
What?
They must not like me, but who could not like me?
For example, they may assume that they do not have to wait in line and that their priorities
are so important that others should just defer to them and then get irritated when others
fail to assist in their very important work.
This sense of entitlement, combined with a lack of sensitivity to the wants and needs
of others, may result in a conscious or unwilling exploitation of others' criterion six.
They expect to be given whatever they want or feel that they need, no matter what it
might mean for someone else.
For example, these individuals may expect great dedication from others and may overwork
them without regard for the impact on their lives.
Geez.
It's interesting because the diagnosis, it's so specific and it's so detailed that
it's like literally the people in our podcast episodes, they're like this to a T. I know
that there's other people in the world that have been diagnosed with narcissistic personality
disorder and they're taking the proper steps with treatment and medication and this is
not the case, but it seems like this is just so specific and so much that goes into this
diagnosis that you have to really check a lot of boxes to get diagnosed with this,
which is really interesting that explains why a lot of these people have not been diagnosed
with things like that because it's not something that you can just look at someone and be like,
they have one of those behaviors and you have to have all of them consistently.
Right?
And just interesting.
There's a lot.
From the outside as well, I feel like people that could be diagnosed with narcissistic
personality disorder have been praised and have been like, wow, they're a really hard
worker.
Wow, they dedicate themselves.
Wow.
And somewhere along the line, they were told so many times they were brilliant that they
were made for big things and then you have people that are actors that are narcissistic
or politicians or whatever, which we'll get into of course.
But yeah, how often it would go undiagnosed, people would think that they're just really
hard workers.
Yeah, because realistically, especially if it's someone that's not in their inner circle
or very close to them, that might be the only symptom that that person sees.
So they don't realize that that is a laundry list of other things that need to be checked
off to be diagnosed with this.
All they see is the praise.
Right.
And all they see is the good thing like, oh, they're a hard worker, all that stuff.
Sure.
And how many people are flying under the radar that are radar that are internet influencers
or TikTok famous or whatever, because all they're doing is getting their ego fed or
that disorder fed by strangers.
And that feels good to them.
And everybody else that's in their inner circle is like, no, that person has a problem.
Well, also, there's a lot of people that I'm sure even their close friends or family don't
recognize that there is a problem.
And unfortunately, those are the kind of people that are going to go undiagnosed forever.
And unfortunately, again, that sometimes leads them to doing really shitty stuff.
And so it's just, it's hard because it's like the actions that you're describing and
the things that you're saying that meet the criteria are things that like, you know, I
even will say myself, like I would be like turned off by, I'd be like, oh my God, like
that person's annoying or that person's too much or whatever.
But when you really think about it, it's like, does that person need treatment, you know,
and diagnosis?
For sure.
And unfortunately, I think that they're probably the only people that can really recognize
that and see treatment.
Exactly.
They tend to form relationships or romantic relationships only if the other person seems
likely to advance their purpose or otherwise enhance their self-esteem, like trophy-wise.
That sounds like Raven Fernandez.
Yes, right.
They often usurp special privileges and extra resources that they believe they deserve because
they are so special.
Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder, disor... disor...
Dissol.
Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder generally have a lack of empathy and have
difficulty recognizing the desires, objective experiences, and feelings of others' criteria
in seven.
So it's the lack of empathy as well as the narcissistic.
They don't realize that, like, this empathy is not there, so they can't understand that
they're maybe affecting people.
Yeah, exactly.
They assume that others are totally concerned about their welfare.
They tend to discuss their own concerns in inappropriate and lengthy details while failing
to recognize that others also have feelings and needs.
Yeah.
Wow, that sounds like somebody I know.
Have you seen that one guy on TikTok?
I don't know his name.
I think his name is Cameron, and he does the different POVs.
He has the wigs or whatever, and he always does the mom that's jealous of her kid or
the friend that only talks about themselves.
Is he the orange-haired guy or the red-headed guy?
He has a bunch of different wigs.
Sometimes they'll have a short blonde wig or a long...
I'm thinking of a guy that has a red beard, white guy.
No, he has another beard.
Okay, he looks like he would be Scottish or something.
Anyway, so he does those...
The friend that says things in inappropriate time or the friend that tries to one-up you
on your tragedy or whatever, and this person's like, oh my god, my grandpa died.
He's like, oh my god, my grandpa died five years ago, so I don't know.
Get over it.
Yeah, that kind of thing.
That's what it means, inappropriate, making it about themselves.
You know what it's not.
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They are often the contemptuous and impatient with others who talk about their own problems
and concerns.
These individuals may be oblivious to the hurt their remarks may inflict.
IG, EG, whatever an example.
Exuberantly telling a former lover that quote, I am now in the relationship of a lifetime.
End quote.
Like no one fucking cares.
Boasting in health in front of someone who is sick, like, oh, I feel great.
Yeah.
That was literally me this morning.
Casey was all hungover and I was like, I feel fine.
I could go on a run.
I would feel great right now.
Do I have to?
That's awful.
No, I did say that though.
I feel really bad for me.
When recognized, the needs, desires, or feelings of others are likely to be viewed as disparagingly
as signs of weakness or vulnerability.
Okay, because people get sick.
Because you're sick, pussy.
Fucking, ugh, irks me.
And I know that not everyone with this is like that, but it's like, oh, that just bugs
me.
Okay, so this might be like, okay, so like a microaggression, right?
But definitely if somebody is like, should have taken that echinacea.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
I hate that.
Me too.
Oh, thanks, Karen.
Shit, I could have watered.
Yeah, exactly.
Yep.
Oh, God.
Get out of my face with your echinacea, Karen.
Those who relate to the individual are, well, I, we, we, we, we, we, we, we.
Those who relate to individuals with narcissistic personality disorder typically find an emotional
coldness and lack of reciprocal interests.
Duh.
These individuals are often envious of others or believe that others are envious of them.
Criterion eight.
They may begrudge others their successes or possessions, feeling that they better deserve
those achievements, admiration or privileges.
They may harshly devalue the contributions of others, particularly when those individuals
have received acknowledgement or praise for their accomplishments.
Errigan, haughty behaviors characterize these individuals.
They often display snobbish, disdainful or patronizing attitudes.
Criterion nine.
For example, an individual with this do disorder may complain about a clumsy waiter's rudeness
or stupidity or conclude a medical evaluation with a condescending evaluation of the physician.
Like they're going to tell a doctor that they're wrong.
Yeah.
They're going to tell you what they're going to say, but like that guy's a liar, you know?
Where did you get your medical degrees?
Stupid college?
Yeah.
Literally though.
And it's like, it's, oh, it's like the polygraph thing.
Go ahead and polygraph me.
Yeah.
Well, the polygrapher was obviously wrong.
He doesn't know how to read a polygraph.
Yeah, exactly.
He didn't ask the right questions.
Exactly.
Oh, that happens all the time, doesn't it?
Everyone else's fault.
Anybody who's ever seen a fucking Mari episode knows.
Yeah, literally.
So it's like, no, it's a lie, it's a lie, there's no way.
But it's like, no, it's a, it's a truth telling thing.
Machine.
Vulnerability and self-esteem makes individuals with narcissistic personality disorder very
sensitive to injury from criticism or defeat.
Oh yeah, they can give it, but they can't take it.
Although they might not show it outwardly, criticism may haunt these individuals and
leave them feeling humiliated, degraded, hollow and empty.
Well that makes sense because the people that we've talked about on like podcasts have
had that criticism when they were younger and then they harbor those feelings and then
it comes out later in rage.
It's true.
They may react with disdain, rage or defiant counter attacks.
Such experiences often lead to a social withdrawal or an appearance of humility that may mask
and protect the grandiosity.
Because the social withdrawal would maybe resemble like taking a step back and like settling
for a moment and then people are like, I'm so sorry.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, that's true.
You ever feel like that with somebody?
Like, where you feel like they, like they recoil?
But it's not because they're apologetic or they feel like humility.
It's because they're so, they're so defeated.
Interpersonal relations are typically impaired because of the problems derived from the entitlement,
the need for admiration and the relative disregard for the sensitivity of others.
Though overweening ambition and confidence may lead to high achievement, performance
may be disrupted because of an intolerance of criticism or defeat.
So like there's no real room for growth, right?
Yeah, exactly.
Like, again, what we were saying earlier, it looks like someone is a really hard worker
or whatever it is, which looks great, but the fact that they can't take criticism, they're
not really growing in any kind of a real way.
Sometimes vocational functioning can be very low, reflecting an unwillingness to take a
risk in competitive or other situations in which defeat might be possible.
Oh, wow.
And that's like kind of like that perfectionism.
I was called a perfectionist when I was like 19 or 20 years old and I was like, what do
you mean a perfectionist?
Like, I don't go to school, I don't have a job.
I'm like, what do you mean perfectionist?
And they're like, you're afraid to fail.
That's why you don't push yourself.
Push yourself and fail, you know?
Yeah.
Sustained feelings of shame or humiliation and the attendant self-criticism may be associated
with social withdrawal, depressed mood, and persistent depressive disorder, or major depressive
disorder.
In contrast, sustained periods of grandiosity may be associated with a hypnomanic mood.
Narcissistic personality disorder is also associated with anorexia nervosa and substance
use disorders, especially related to cocaine.
Well that makes sense, comorbidity of substance use, but I didn't see anorexia being a part
of that.
Me neither.
But I guess like with the pressure to be perfect.
Be perfect.
Yeah, that's true.
Or somebody's idea of perfect.
Hystronic, borderline, antisocial, and paranoid personality disorders may be associated with
the narcissistic personality disorder.
Prevalence estimates for narcissistic personality disorder based on the DSM-5 definitions range
from 0% to 6.2% in community samples.
0%.
I guess it means like 0.2 or 0.1.
Yeah, interesting.
I guess, I don't know.
That's a really low prevalence though.
I feel like it.
Yeah, 6.2.
But that's also prevalence considering the amount of people that have been diagnosed.
That doesn't include people that are undiagnosed and how all these symptoms.
That's true.
Narcissistic traits may be particularly common in adolescence and do not necessarily indicate
that the individual will go on to have narcissistic personality disorder.
Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder may have special difficulties adjusting
to the onset of physical and occupational limitations that are inherent in the aging
process.
So like when one gets older, they might have difficulty accepting that like their body
gives them limitations.
Yeah, and they like it's changes and stuff like physically.
Things that they can't probably control.
That's awful.
Of those diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder, 50% to 75% are male.
Really?
That's a lot.
That's a high number.
That's interesting.
That's a high number.
Other personality disorders may be confused with narcissistic personality disorder because
they have certain features in common.
It is therefore important to distinguish among these disorders based on the differences in
their characteristic features.
However, if an individual has personality features that meet criteria for one or more
personality disorders in addition to narcissistic personality disorder, all can be diagnosed.
Oh wow.
That's kind of interesting.
That is interesting because usually it's like the most forward presenting illness is
the diagnosis.
Right.
But I feel like usually people don't get diagnosed with more than one personality disorder.
Maybe they do.
I don't know.
The most useful feature in discriminating narcissistic personality disorder from historonic, antisocial,
and borderline personality disorders in which the interactive styles are callous and needy,
respectively, is the grandiosity of characteristics in narcissistic personality disorder.
Yep.
Well, that makes sense because borderline, the person is not full of themselves.
It's quite the opposite.
Antisocial, they don't want to speak to anybody else in a nutshell, so they don't get that
praise.
Then historonic is like hysteria.
So that's kind of personalized rather than outward.
The relative sustainability of self-image as well as the relative lack of self-destructiveness,
impulsivity, and abandonment concerns have also helped distinguish narcissistic personality
disorder from borderline personality disorder.
Excessive pride and achievements as relative lack of emotional display and disdain for other
sensitivities can help distinguish narcissistic personality disorder from historonic personality
disorder.
So I guess we're going to explain it a little bit.
I know I'm looking exactly what I just said.
Although individuals with borderline, historonic, and narcissistic personality disorder may require
much attention, those with narcissistic personality disorder specifically need that attention to
be admiring of them.
That makes sense.
Individuals with antisocial and narcissistic personality disorder share a tendency to be
tough-minded, glib, superficial, exploitative, and unempathetic, like Kristin Gilbert.
I think she was anti.
However, narcissistic personality disorder does not necessarily include characteristics
of impulsivity, aggression, and deceit, like Kristin Gilbert.
In addition, individuals with antisocial personality disorder may not be as needy of
the admiration and envy of others, and persons with narcissistic personality disorder usually
lack the history of conduct disorder in childhood or criminal behavior as an adulthood.
In both narcissistic personality disorder and obsessive compulsive personality disorder,
the individual may profess a commitment to perfectionism and believe that others cannot
do things as well as they can.
Why are you going to call me out like that?
In contrast to the accompanying self-criticism of those with obsessive compulsive personality
disorder, individuals with narcissistic personality disorder are more likely to believe that they
have achieved perfection.
Dignities and social withdrawal usually distinguish those with schizotypal or paranoid personality
disorder from those with narcissistic personality disorder.
That's so interesting, like the differences and just the word, like it's a completely
different diagnosis.
Exactly.
But you kind of just think it's all personality personality, you know, that it might be the
same, but it's these little tiny bits and grabs that are different.
People lump personality disorders together all the time.
Right.
Like they're the same.
But with type of and paranoid personality disorder, when these qualities are present
in individuals with narcissistic personality disorder, they derive primarily from fears
of having imperfections or flaws, which is also really interesting.
I was going to say with OCPD, like, yeah, you better believe that I never have thought
that I've achieved perfection.
That's like the complete opposite of my mindset all the time.
Many highly successful individuals display personality traits that might be considered
to be narcissistic, only when these traits are inflexible, maladapted and persisting
and causing significant functional impairment or subjective distress.
Do they constitute as narcissistic personality disorder?
Okay.
Grandiosity may emerge as a part of a manic or hypomanic episode, but the association with
mood change or functional impairments helps distinguish these episodes from narcissistic
personality disorder.
Narcissistic personality disorder must also be distinguished from symptoms that may develop
in association with persistent substance abuse.
Because you can have that grandiose sense of self because of the use of cocaine or methamphetamines.
It can go comorbidity hand in hand.
PCP.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm invincible.
I'm the strongest person in the world.
No one else is stronger than me.
I only want to hang out with people that are as strong as me.
Well, that's really interesting.
I'm glad that you did that one.
Do you want to listen to some celebrities?
Of course I do.
So these are my famous people that may or may not suffer from narcissistic personality
disorder.
You be the judge.
Donald Trump.
Not to be mean.
Psychologists have actually weighed in on why the man might be experiencing narcissistic
personality disorder, mainly that he boasts and exaggerates his successes and that he seemingly
tears down other people with words with little to no understanding of the power of the accusation
or remorse for what he said.
He does kind of say things without caring about backlash.
Right.
I will say that.
Yeah.
Mark Zuckerberg.
Labeled as a productive narcissist, Zuckerberg is notorious for his cutthroat approach when
it comes to business being described as aggressive and competitive and rarely follows the perceived
rules or courtesy when it comes to business deals.
I haven't really seen much about him other than he may be a robot.
Yeah.
That's all I really know about him.
Tiger Woods.
Oh.
It's been said that every relationship that he has is purely transactional.
If you don't have something that he wants or he feels like he can't gain something from
you, he won't deal with you.
Wow.
Well, he was also like forced into that perfectionism role as a child as well.
Oh yeah.
Kanye West.
Madonna, she claimed that she and her husband Guy Ritchie were able to develop a...
What happened to Kanye?
What do you mean, didn't happen to Kanye?
Do I need to explain it?
There's no explanation there.
I've put it in there.
There's no explanation needed.
The man thinks he's God.
Come on.
Madonna.
Madonna had actually claimed recently that her and her husband Guy Ritchie were able
to develop a quote, cabala water, end quote, and that is used to neutralize radiation,
saying that they would clean up Ukraine lakes with this mystical magical liquid.
That would be cool.
This is a quote from Madonna.
According to science, we aren't going to have a planet in about 50 years at the rate
we're going with nuclear waste.
I can write the greatest songs and make the most fabulous films and be a fashion icon
and conquer the world.
But if there isn't a world to conquer, what's the point?
Oh.
End quote.
That sounds slightly narcissistic.
Just a little bit.
Yeah.
She made magical cabala water that she's going to bless the lakes with and therefore
will take out the radiation of the water.
Okay.
Cool.
So that's my list of celebrities.
If you want to look up your own list, there's about a thousand of them.
Really?
If not a million.
And yes.
That's wild.
And we talked about how if somebody is displaying these types of behaviors that they could get
a lot of praise for having certain types of behaviors or characteristics and they just
continue to go with it.
That's true.
Yeah.
There's probably been a billion people as many as that I've said no have said yes and
have supported.
Everybody knows that Brittany is going through something, right?
But how many people have told her yes, go, go, go, you're perfect, you're perfect, you're
perfect, you're perfect, you're perfect and how much that can weigh on somebody?
I mean she's just an example.
I'm not saying that she has narcissistic personality disorder or anything like that.
But how much that must feed into someone's ego or reality is no longer a thing.
Exactly.
Like Kanye West.
Yeah.
That's really interesting and I think you're right.
Like a lot of people that are famous, they probably got there because of narcissistic
tendencies, maybe they don't meet all of the criteria to be diagnosed with it but there
must be at least one or two of those things in there for a lot of people that are very
successful.
But it makes sense.
I mean hardworking up to the top, like a lot of people that we've talked about on the podcast
have had very nice jobs and shit, fucking John Wayne Gacy had special privileges with
the Secret Service.
Yeah.
Like how did she do that?
It's true.
She was murdered in that role, not only that but they can honestly be praised for being
so cutthroat because without the emotion there, they can be this perfect little corporate
robot or whatever that a lot of people like.
I mean businesses like, not people.
Yeah.
That's true.
Well that was a good one.
I'm glad you brought that.
Thanks for the topic today.
I hope that you guys are excited that we have another mental breakdown that we're obviously
happy that we can do this and we wanted to get back into these as well.
So we're not going to let it affect our episodes, the true crime cases and all that good stuff.
We're just going to kind of pepper these in every once in a while when we have a little
bit of a break.
But yeah, thank you guys for listening and we will see you soon with another case.
Yes.
And I'm excited.
I'm almost out with my research and so are you.
Yes.
And we've talked about how we're getting super close.
So that's awesome.
Email us.
Let us know what you guys want to hear even if it is a mental breakdown topic.
Let us know if you guys want to hear more about it.
We're happy to do the research and get all that good content out there for you.
But yeah, anything else?
No, that's it.
All right.
Love you.
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