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Richard David Falco was born June 1st, 1953 in Brooklyn, New York.

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His mother was Betty Broder.

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Richard was the product of an affair.

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His father was actually a married man named Joseph Kleinman.

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Betty herself was also married with one daughter at the time of Richard's birth.

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However, she was separated from her estranged husband, Tony Falco.

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Betty and Tony were happily married at one point and even owned a small business together.

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The finances had become tight and Tony left the family, like in the area entirely.

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He was like, hey, take care of this baby and goodbye, like the daughter, right?

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Bye.

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So when Betty found out that she was pregnant, she knew it was Kleinman's not Tony's.

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Because Tony had already left, but she was still legally married.

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When Betty suggested that they can finally be together now and that she wished for Richard

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to have Joseph Kleinman's last name, he threatened to never speak to her again, nor help her

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and her daughter out financially if she kept the baby.

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Well, she just knows how to pick him.

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It's off to a great start for Richard here.

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Two amazing guys.

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Betty then decided to name the baby after her then still husband, Tony Falco.

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Furthermore, Betty decided to give up the baby for adoption when Richard was just a

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Oh no.

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A baby baby.

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Richard's adoptive parents were a couple by the name of Pearl and Nathan Berkowitz.

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I didn't mean to shriek into the microphone.

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Are you sure?

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It's not who I thought you were doing.

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But I do not know as much about this case as you probably think I do.

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I'm excited too.

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Oh, I've even really wanted to do this one.

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I think he's on my list and I need to delete him now.

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Delete him.

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So the baby's name was David Richard Berkowitz.

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So they kind of just made it their own by switching David and Richard, which was his

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middle name and yeah.

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So Richard David Berkowitz.

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The couple lived in the South View section of the Bronx and were local hardware shop

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owners.

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Pearl and Nathan were unable to have children of their own and for them having children

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was kind of now or never just due to their age, they were getting much older.

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God, I bet they felt so fucking bad later in life.

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I mean, maybe I always wonder about that, you know, like who's Manson's parents?

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Well, his mom sold him for a loaf of bread.

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That's true.

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Yeah, she was a sex worker.

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Oh, not a loaf of bread.

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I think she sold him for a case of beer.

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Something.

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That's really sad.

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It's yeast.

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And the Berkowitz didn't acquire any more children after David.

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David was their only one.

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David's at home life was pretty normal.

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However, apparently there was an instance or two that Nathan, his adoptive father, actually

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showered with David when he was younger.

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And I didn't specify what age.

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I think it was maybe on David's account that he had some of that or something.

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But other than that.

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The age is like it kind of matters.

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I think so.

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Because it's a little sketch.

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Reason why you should shower with your, I mean, unless it's like a baby baby.

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You know what I mean?

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Because like the skin to skin contact can be very beneficial for like a newborn, like

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a little baby.

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That's weird.

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I think it's weird.

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You know, everyone's family is different.

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Everybody's family is different.

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There's like some people that, you know, talk about like their mom walking around naked

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until they were like eight or something.

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That's weird.

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But I think that's weird.

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No one needs to see your bush, Barbara.

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Barbara bush.

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I didn't even remember that.

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No one needs to see that bush, Barbara.

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Barbara bush.

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I had to say it before you said it because you were thinking the same thing.

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True.

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You gave me this look like, why does that sound so familiar?

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I'm gonna make a joke.

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Oh God.

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David was pretty bright as you see, right?

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He did well enough in school and would oftentimes get bored of school because he was pretty

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intelligent.

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David also seemed to be unusually hyperactive around this time and he was also made fun of

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for being kind of like a bigger kid.

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Like he just like his stature was just all around like.

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Cause that's his fault.

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He was like a shit brick house.

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Like he was, you know, he was, he was thick.

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He had broad shoulders and stuff.

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He's a brick.

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He probably looked like he could play football at age like six, you know?

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Wow.

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Pearl, his mother would often take him to the local YMCA where they would play and like

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have fun just swimming and playground stuff or whatever.

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She probably thought nothing of it at the time because David was so young, but she would

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actually take David into the women's locker rooms to shower.

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And a lot of the time the women in their would be nude.

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I'm sorry.

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How, and how old is he at this point?

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I mean he's elementary school age, probably like five, six, seven.

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Five, six, seven.

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That is a way old, too old for that.

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It's way too old.

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That is, see I don't know if it was like, I mean some of the women would probably be walking

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around like nude or like with a towel on, but I think it was just like maybe the overall

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theme of sexuality.

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You know what I mean?

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No, that's inappropriate.

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There's like adult women.

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In front of you that are naked.

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That's not inappropriate.

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Well, I mean, is he going to shower with the naked women or is he going to shower with

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his dad?

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I mean, come on.

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I mean, much later in life, David would recall this.

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So clearly it had some type of an effect.

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Like he remembered that.

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David would later recall when he was about five or six that when he was at the local

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YMCA, he actually witnessed a man walk into the women's locker room and David said that

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he kind of reveled in the noises of disgust that the women made at like this man walking

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into the locker room.

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Ew.

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Like a noise like that.

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Ew.

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Ew.

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Oh my God.

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David also recalls an instance where his mother slapped him for allowing a young schoolgirl

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to dump sand over his head, saying that he shouldn't allow girls to treat him that way.

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You got to stand up to women and make yourself known as Mike.

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It's dying this Michaelis moment of irony.

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Oh my God.

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The mom telling him that too.

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And slapping him and saying like, don't allow women to treat you that way.

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What?

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As she's treating him that way.

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What the fuck?

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As a woman is actively treating him.

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Pearl.

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Also, when David was about five, it was revealed to him that he was adopted but that his mother

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had actually died during childbirth, which was untrue.

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Clearly false.

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You know, like a lie.

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It's a liar.

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It's like a liar.

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Like a liar.

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So essentially Pearl and Nathan, I guess like to say that, it's essentially they kind of

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ensured that he wouldn't go looking for his biological mom, which I've heard of adopted

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parents doing that, which is horrific.

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He's like Dexter.

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So of course, you know, that was Betty Falco.

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When David was six, he was actually hit by a car and received a pretty severe concussion

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from the incident.

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Oh, he's six.

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Like who the fuck isn't watching him?

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Like he just fell off a roof.

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It's like it's like Angel or something.

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He just fell off a roof.

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Just fell off a roof.

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He was freaking born.

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Like as soon as he was born.

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Just a few months after this, he actually slammed into a brick wall, like ran into a

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brick wall causing another concussion.

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And when he was eight, he was actually hit over the head with a pipe receiving a four

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inch gash to his head.

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Oh my god.

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First of all, this is really sad.

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Like I'm not trying to make a funny out of this, but it reminds me of your scene, not

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another teen movie.

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When the football player, like it's like a number of concussions he has.

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It's like how many times can you get hit over the head and like, I mean clearly it has some

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sort of a effect.

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Like clearly that's fucking terrible.

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And over the span of four years, like your head never gets a chance to recover.

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It is like Angel Resonades.

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It is.

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Or we saw that too in Raymond Fernandez.

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When it happened to Raymond Fernandez too on the ship.

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Oh yeah.

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We see that a lot in these.

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Well, severe head trauma damages the, you know, the frontal lobe and that's like exactly

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where all of that shit happens, like it comes from.

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So eventually David would turn to more rebellious behavior, who could have seen it, to cure his

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boredom, right?

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Because he's also very bored in school as well.

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By the time he was in middle school, David began to commit small robberies and set small

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fires.

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Did he went to bed?

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It didn't specify.

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He probably did.

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I'm sure he did.

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Probably did.

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He probably got slapped for it too.

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True.

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David would often play in neighborhood baseball with the other local kids, but many people

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in the neighborhood considered David to be spoiled and at times bully younger, smaller

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kids.

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Because of his stature.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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And it's like that whole thing is like you get made fun of for being big.

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Well then you use your size to like intimidate people.

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His parents, concerned about his behavior, contacted a psychotherapist.

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Okay.

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Good for them.

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David was to go once a week for two years, but it didn't yield any long term results.

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Interesting.

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Which is interesting, right?

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Either way, David's parents reasoned with themselves that David had yet to be arrested

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for any crimes.

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Oh, so he must be fine.

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Noor had any sort of concerning behavior documented in school and they thought that maybe he

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would just grow out of it.

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It's a phase.

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It's a phase.

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David said about this time that he started isolating himself, enjoying hiding under his

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bed for hours during these long depressive times and recollecting that he realized he

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didn't want to be around people.

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Okay.

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So he's just like becoming a recluse.

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He's just like hermit.

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Yeah.

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And this is like middle school.

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Middle school, early high school.

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It is sad.

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He would actually sneak out at night because he said that he would rather be surrounded

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by darkness instead of like being out during the day.

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And he didn't like being around people.

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So he thought that like being in the, you know, being out at night when there's not

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so many people that appealed to him.

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He said he would often scale buildings or bridges and then imagine that he would jump

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off of them.

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Oh, that's sad.

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And he was so young.

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He was like 12 or 13 at this point.

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Geez.

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So David actually began to abuse animals at this point as well.

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It first started by stomping on like bugs or burning them with magnifying glasses, which

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can seem pretty normal for a kid, a young boy at that age when they're learning about,

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you know, death and whatever.

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However, David would actually collect dead bugs, worms, beetles and so on and so forth,

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make them home and then dip them in glue to encase them and essentially preserving them

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in that moment of death, which is like not normal.

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Four-shadowing.

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Which is like not normal.

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Oh my God.

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I just never heard of that.

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I had heard like some people that take pictures of stuff to preserve the moment of death,

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but to dip it in things like that.

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Yeah, that's interesting.

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By the time that David turned 14, Pearl, his adoptive mother, would break some very alarming

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news to David.

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Pearl had been suffering from breast cancer since before his adoption.

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And now the prognosis was not good.

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Pearl ended up passing away late in the year of 1967.

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Oh my gosh.

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David felt very cheated by this because he never knew.

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Like if he had known, he might have had more time to come to terms with it.

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David credited his mother for his ability to be compassionate towards people and now

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after her passing, it was like, nope.

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Fuck you, bitch.

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Well, now he feels like, okay, my biological mother is dead.

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Now my adopted mother is dead.

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His father worked long hours and was rarely home, so David didn't really have a connection

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to Nathan at that time.

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And at this point, he felt like the world had just kind of collapsed around him.

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And especially since he didn't get the opportunity to spend the time that he wanted to with his

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mother not knowing that she was sick.

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After his mother's passing, David's father began to date another woman within a year

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of her passing.

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So David was not happy about that at all.

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This began to create a big rift between David and Nathan's new girlfriend and further harming

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the relationship between David and his father, which was already strained at this point.

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Nathan would remarry in 1971 and David, again, not happy.

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As soon as he graduated high school with a 3.3 GPA, he enlisted into the Army.

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David underwent competency tests to determine where he would best be suited and passed both

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of his psychological and physical assessments.

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David did do well in a routine in the Army that the Army provided, and he was described

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as an excellent marksman.

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Later in the year 1971, David would be stationed in South Korea.

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David found this as an opportunity to experiment with drugs while he walked the streets of

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South Korea.

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Cute, right?

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He would actually lose his virginity to a Korean sex worker and would contract an unspecified

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venereal disease.

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It was probably Chlamydia.

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David would say during this time in the military that he began to question his Jewish faith

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and he began to attend Baptist Church and even get baptized.

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So again, yeah, I think it's really interesting.

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So dead biomem, dead adopted mom, first experience with a woman disease.

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You know what I mean?

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He definitely hates women.

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Yeah, it's getting there.

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We can see where this is going.

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He also around this time began to escalate his fire starting.

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He kept a diary of every fire he had ever set up until this point as well.

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So like even from when he did it when he was younger.

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That seems tedious.

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That does seem like a lot of work, right?

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So he's now showing two of the three McDonald's triad things that say that he's going to

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be a serial offender later in life with the exception of bedwetting, but we don't know

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that he didn't do that.

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We just don't know if he did.

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It's true.

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Interesting.

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Yeah, I did find that really interesting that he preserved the bugs and then now he's preserving

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the fires by writing about him.

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He wants to keep those memories.

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David began to be tardy and defiant towards his superiors in the army and he was even

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declared AWOL once when he was late to catch a bus back to base one evening.

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But I feel like you have to be gone for quite a while to be declared AWOL.

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It's not like five minutes late.

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AWOL!

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I don't think it's five minutes late.

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I think it might have been like, well, it didn't catch the bus and made no effort to

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try to get back on the base.

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That's probably what it was.

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Plus, at this point, clearly he's known to be doing drugs and sleeping with sex workers

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and being late and being in subordinate or whatever.

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Even with all of these infractions, David was honorably discharged in 1974.

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Now back home, David enrolled in Bronx Community College and began working as a security guard.

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David continued to set fires at this time, again and again, keeping note of every single

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one.

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It was revealed to David at some point in this year, 1974, by his father Nathan that

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his biological mother was in fact not dead and that her name was Betty Falco and that

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his original birth name was Richard Falco.

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Oh my god.

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Imagine finding that at home to see like what, 20?

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He would have been about 20 or 21.

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Yeah.

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That's, imagine that.

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That's like when you can really like understand those feelings and emotions and stuff like

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that's why.

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Okay, not only did you rob me of like getting to spend more time with my adoptive mother

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before she died, you robbed me of my entire life not knowing who my biological mother

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was.

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Yeah, that she was alive this whole time.

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How do you not feel pissed off?

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I would be so fucking livid.

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I would be too.

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Almost as soon as David heard this, he began to try to find his biological mother, right?

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Next logical step.

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He was successful in 1975 when he found Betty's address, first reaching out with a Mother's

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Day card, which I thought was really nice.

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Oh, that's sweet.

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Betty invited David to come out and visit and even stay with her and David's half-sister,

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Rosalind.

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While staying with Betty, David did pretty well.

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He was working as a taxi driver and he was pretty happy, finally feeling like a part

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of a really core group of like family members.

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While staying with Betty, however, David would find out the true nature of his conception

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and furthermore to come to find out that Joseph Kleinman, his biological father, had already

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died as well.

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Oh my gosh, he's just being let down, like after let down.

437
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Right?

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This threw David into a tailspin, of course.

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This would actually become the height of his fire setting career.

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So when David's new found knowledge and his spiraling, David began to slowly drift away

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from Betty and Rosalind and eventually they would lose all contact with each other.

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David moved back into the New Rochelle area, which is kind of north from where he grew

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up in the Bronx.

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David started writing to his father, who is now living in Florida, and he had begun to

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become very depressed and he had said that to his father, that he had become increasingly

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depressed after the fallout with Betty and that he started to hear voices and become

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increasingly paranoid.

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And guess what, he's at the exact age where schizophrenia presents itself in men.

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Age 20.

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Age 22.

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This is a quote from a letter that he wrote to Nathan.

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It's cold and gloomy here in New York, but that's okay because the weather fits my mood.

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Gloomy.

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Dad, the world is getting so dark now.

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I can feel it more and more.

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The people, they are developing hatred for me.

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You wouldn't believe how much some people hate me.

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Many of them want to kill me.

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I don't even know these people, but they still hate me.

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Most of them are young.

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I can walk down the street and they spit and kick at me.

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The girls call me ugly and they bother me the most.

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The guys just laugh.

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Anyhow, things will soon change for the better.

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End quote.

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Eryus fuck.

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Honestly, like a huge cry for help.

468
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Yeah.

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Do you think that like the girls spitting and kicking at him and the guys laughing, do

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you think that was really happening or do you think that was a hallucination that he

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just thought was happening?

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I don't know if he thought it was a hallucination, but I think it's more like metaphorical.

473
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Yeah, I think that the everyone hates me and they want to kill me.

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I think that was a hallucination or that was like a false narrative in his mind.

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Yeah.

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And it clearly like he isolates enough that I know the way that my mind is when I'm by

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myself for a long time.

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So I'm wondering if it's not like he's gone to a bar or a restaurant or like tried to

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strike up a conversation with a woman or something and then her just being like, ugh.

480
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You know, and that's like one person rejects him and he just this whole cloud of.

481
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Yeah, maybe.

482
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Yeah.

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After living in New Rochelle for just a few months, David moved back to the Bronx area

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determined to leave the voices that he accused of haunting him behind.

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This move, however, did not relieve David of any paranoia or voices.

486
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Because it wasn't the place he was in.

487
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Right.

488
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It was his brain.

489
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It's his brain.

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He wrote on his walls during a manic episode once quote, in this whole lives the wicked

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king end quote, quote, kill for my master end quote, and quote, I turn children into

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killers end quote.

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Oh my God.

494
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That's so scary.

495
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It's really, really creepy.

496
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I just got like the heaves and the jeeps.

497
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You're not getting your deposit back, David.

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David would set his last fire around this time ending his arsonist career.

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He had set close to 1400 fires.

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1400 fires.

501
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1400.

502
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He never got like 1488 fires to be exact.

503
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,280
No, he was never caught.

504
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,280
Jesus Christ.

505
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,880
But according to his parents, that's all you need, right?

506
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:00,880
Yeah.

507
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He's not been arrested.

508
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,480
Yeah, but he's not been arrested and he's never been written up.

509
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:04,480
He's fine.

510
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:05,480
He's good.

511
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,480
He's a good boy.

512
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,240
This was not enough to keep David's voices and demons at bay, however.

513
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:16,600
David then stayed confined inside of his apartment after this last fire for nearly a month, only

514
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,480
leaving to get food from down the street and then come back.

515
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,080
That's going to be bad for like anybody's mental health, especially someone that's clearly

516
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,840
struggling with undiagnosed schizophrenia.

517
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,520
Eventually the noise in his head became too much for him to bear.

518
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:36,960
And on Christmas Eve, 1975, David got into his car with a large hunting knife and began

519
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,200
to patrol the streets of the Bronx in his car.

520
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:46,640
David had allowed the demons to take control of his body and mind and said that the demon

521
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:52,280
would tell him when his first victim, when he'd happened upon his first victim.

522
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:57,680
An unknown and still to this day, an identified Hispanic woman was to be David's first

523
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,180
attack.

524
00:22:59,180 --> 00:23:03,840
Jumping out of his car, he tried to stab the woman, however the woman immediately screamed

525
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,240
and began to fight, breaking free almost instantly.

526
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,480
She was not seriously hurt and she never filed a complaint about it.

527
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:11,480
Why not?

528
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:12,480
I don't know.

529
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,480
She's never dead.

530
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,760
Oh my gosh.

531
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:21,240
David hopped back into his car after being shooken because he was like, oh shit.

532
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,360
But again, the demons did not stop.

533
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:29,560
He was driving around the co-op area, which is northeast of the Bronx.

534
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,720
There he saw 15 year old Michelle Foreman walking down Drizor Loop.

535
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,000
It's like this, it's just a little, it's almost like a half cul-de-sac.

536
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,000
Wait, this is the same night?

537
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,960
This is like right after the first attack.

538
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,520
David pulled over his car and attacked the young girl, first stabbing her in the head,

539
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:51,720
and then five more times about her body, only stopping after Michelle pushed away from him

540
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,320
and began to run and scream to the nearest apartment complex.

541
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,080
She did survive the attack, but after being in the hospital for a week.

542
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,080
15?

543
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,080
15 years old.

544
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,800
And she just like walking, like just trying to get home or something.

545
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,040
Michelle was unable to provide police with any real description of her attacker.

546
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:15,560
After the attack, David decided that if he were to ever want to attack or kill someone,

547
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,480
he would actually need a different kind of a weapon because stabbing clearly didn't work.

548
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,480
Just like not my thing.

549
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,480
It's just not my thing.

550
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,000
Like I tried it and I just kind of wasn't into it.

551
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,000
I don't know if it's for me.

552
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,000
I don't know.

553
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,400
It's terrible.

554
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,480
It was around this time that he purchased a 44 caliber bulldog handgun.

555
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,000
Oh no.

556
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,800
David almost immediately moved away from where he was living at at the time just because

557
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,080
he got freaked out.

558
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,080
And he moved to Yonkers.

559
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,080
Yonkers.

560
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,080
Yonkers.

561
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:49,240
There he found a two bedroom house for rent under owners Jack and Nan Kassara.

562
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:55,760
He began renting from the couple who had also lived on the property and had a German shepherd.

563
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,760
Which becomes a thing.

564
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,080
David could not stay on this dog as it would howl at all hours of the night and day.

565
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,240
David became increasingly convinced that the howling was no coincidence.

566
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,080
He believed that the howling was directly correlated to the voices and demons in his

567
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,880
mind.

568
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,520
He believed that the demons were using the howling to communicate with him, consistently

569
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,840
seeking a blood sacrifice.

570
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:19,840
Oh my god.

571
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,600
This is like the most common knowledge thing about David Berkowitz is that he talked to

572
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,880
the neighbor's dog, told him to kill.

573
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,720
He's Dr. Dolittle.

574
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,360
It's like next level shit.

575
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:37,280
Like that's how scary, how scared do you think he was in that moment?

576
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,080
Like I can't get this out of my head.

577
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,400
They're telling me they're controlling me.

578
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,200
Like he truly believes that.

579
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,960
You can tell he truly believes that.

580
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:45,960
That's so sad.

581
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,320
And if like, if his first of all, did his dad ever fucking say anything about that letter

582
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,560
that he wrote him because.

583
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:52,560
No bitch.

584
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,960
He's living in California or Florida with his new wife.

585
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,840
Fuck apparently like that's so terrible.

586
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,560
It is awful.

587
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,160
He just needed someone to fucking be there for him like it has been the early life and

588
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,320
he needed someone to fucking make sure he didn't get hit by a fucking moving vehicle and then

589
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,320
run into a brick wall.

590
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,320
Jump off a vehicle.

591
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,320
God.

592
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,320
That's.

593
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,560
He just didn't have a fucking chance from the start.

594
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,360
That's so awful.

595
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:19,040
David said about this time quote, I'd come home to Collegne Avenue at like 6 30 in the

596
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,040
morning.

597
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,040
This is verbatim.

598
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,360
It would begin then the howling on my days off.

599
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:26,120
I heard it all night too.

600
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:27,280
It made me scream.

601
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,440
I used to scream out begging for the noise to stop and it never did.

602
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,880
The demons never stopped.

603
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,160
I couldn't sleep.

604
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,760
I had no strength to fight.

605
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,640
I could barely drive.

606
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,840
Coming home from work one night.

607
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,720
I almost killed myself in the car.

608
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,120
I needed to sleep and the demons wouldn't give me any peace.

609
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:45,120
End quote.

610
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:47,840
That is so fucking sad.

611
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,560
You can hear how manic it sounds like, like, you know, like he can't guarantee that dog

612
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,440
was not howling at all hours of the night.

613
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,440
I'm sure it wasn't.

614
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,160
Maybe every once in a while, but he just heard it.

615
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,160
Yeah.

616
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,160
All the time.

617
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,160
It was just more prevalent when the dog would, right?

618
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,160
Yeah.

619
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,720
And then you just hear it echoing for forever.

620
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,040
It reminds me of that H.H. Holmes, the episode where we did where he said that his buddy

621
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,600
committed suicide like later on and he left note that said I couldn't sleep.

622
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:12,600
I just couldn't sleep.

623
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,600
That's so sad.

624
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:14,600
It is.

625
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,120
It is really sad.

626
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,960
Like all you want is fucking peace and quiet.

627
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,800
After seemingly being tortured by the neighborhood dogs and the relationship with his landlords

628
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,880
dwindling due to David's strange behavior, David decided to move yet again.

629
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,880
He said then quote, when I moved to the caseras, they seemed very nice and quiet, but they

630
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:33,960
tricked me.

631
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:34,960
They lied.

632
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,440
I thought that they were members of the human race, but they weren't.

633
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,400
Suddenly the caseras began to show up with demons.

634
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,640
They began to howl and cry out blood and death.

635
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,760
They called out names of the masters, the blood monster, John Wheaties, General Jack

636
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,180
Cosmo, end quote.

637
00:27:52,180 --> 00:27:56,000
So David around this time, he began to believe that Jack Cicera, who was the owner of the

638
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,320
house, was in cahoots with dog demons and that he became their chief and believed that

639
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,440
Jack was purposely wrangling up stray dogs in the neighborhoods just to torment him.

640
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,120
Oh my gosh, what a concept.

641
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:09,280
What a thought pattern.

642
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,280
Right?

643
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:16,640
I mean, it's almost like it almost sounds like it would be like a Stephen King novel.

644
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,640
You know what I mean?

645
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,640
Yeah.

646
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:24,200
It's like it's so far-fetched, mind the pun.

647
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,160
But it's also so linear that it's kind of believable.

648
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,720
Like, that somebody would believe that.

649
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,720
You know what I mean?

650
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,280
God, that's so sad.

651
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,440
I can't even imagine that.

652
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,760
I don't even think that...

653
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,000
The brain is so crazy that the fact that it has the capability to make someone believe

654
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,000
something like that is just insane.

655
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,520
Yeah, it convents you.

656
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,640
It's just intense.

657
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:47,640
Yeah.

658
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,240
Needless to say, of course, you know, he moved out.

659
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,080
So he moved to a one-bedroom apartment.

660
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,520
I think it was kind of like a duplex-y type thing.

661
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,960
But of course, this area also had dogs.

662
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,280
And of course, most notably, David's neighbor was one Sam Carr.

663
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:08,160
Sam had a dog named Harvey and David felt especially targeted by this dog specifically.

664
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:13,720
He also believed that Sam, the owner, was a demon in human skin and the most powerful

665
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:19,560
demon that worked for General Jack Cosmo, his previous neighbor or owner.

666
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:25,080
On one occasion, David attempted to throw a Maltov cocktail in Sam Carr's yard in an

667
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,080
effort to kill the dog, but was unsuccessful.

668
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,080
It got snuffed out.

669
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,080
Well, his fire-setting career was not over, then.

670
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,640
Well, he didn't set the fire because it went out.

671
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,640
Okay, well, he tried.

672
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,640
But he did like fire, I guess, though.

673
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,720
That's so awful.

674
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:47,400
In late July, 1976, Donna Laria and her girlfriend, Judy Valenti, decided to go out for a night

675
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,000
of dancing at a local dance club.

676
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,840
Leaving the club around 1 a.m., Jodi parked her car outside of Donna's house while the

677
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,000
two chatted and laughed about the night that they had just had.

678
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,840
After the conversation ended and Donna and Jodi said their goodnight, Donna opened up

679
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,320
the car door.

680
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,960
As she opened up the door, she noticed a man walking directly towards her in a rushed manner

681
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,440
with rage on his face.

682
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,160
As soon as the words, now what is this, left Donna's mouth, the man crouched down, getting

683
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,880
down on one knee, bracing his elbow on his knee and fired one shot, striking Donna and

684
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,080
killing her instantly.

685
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,600
Oh my gosh.

686
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,320
Jodi was not totally sure of what was going on and was shocked when the man walked up to

687
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,800
the passenger door and, without taking aim, shot once into the car, striking the 19-year-old

688
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,120
in the hip.

689
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:38,280
Turning to leave, the man shot once more towards the young women but didn't hit either of them.

690
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,880
Donna was pronounced dead at the scene and she was just 18.

691
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,040
Oh my god.

692
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,960
Jodi was rushed to the hospital.

693
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,760
She was able to tell detectives that she didn't recognize the man as someone that she might

694
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,760
know.

695
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,720
Police do feel like this was a targeted attack by someone that they knew, though.

696
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,280
Jodi was able to give a description of the attacker.

697
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,480
She said that the man stood at about 5'8", about 200 pounds, 30 years of age, dark curly

698
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,200
hair cut in a mod-style cut.

699
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,000
She also described seeing a yellow car leaving the scene after the shooting.

700
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,320
This was also corroborated by Donna's own father, who had earlier in the day witnessed

701
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:17,480
a man matching the description, sitting in a yellow car on their street.

702
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,720
Even neighbors said that they did see the car patrolling the streets the last day or

703
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,720
two.

704
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,280
David felt like he had done well and that he had made Sam proud.

705
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,480
Sam had told David that he would find David a wife.

706
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,240
He told him that the woman he was to kill would be risen again and married to David when she

707
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,520
would eventually rise from the dead.

708
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,880
This is obviously Sam did not say this.

709
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,720
No, this is in his brain.

710
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:46,560
That Sam had told him, kind of like when the demons were telling him, I'll let you know

711
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,720
when you find your victim kind of a thing.

712
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,920
It's the same thing, but it was like the woman that you're about to kill will be your wife.

713
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,920
So he's trying to find an attractive woman to kill.

714
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,880
Sure, yeah.

715
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,880
So that's what David thinks.

716
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:05,880
On October 23rd, 1976, Carl DiNaro, aged 20, and a group of friends got together to

717
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,320
throw him a going away party at a local bar.

718
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,440
Carl was actually due to leave for the military in just a few short days.

719
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,240
Rosemary Keenan, who was 18 at the time, was a friend of Carl's and who was at attendance

720
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,240
at this party.

721
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:23,640
And after the bar began to close down around 2.30, Rosemary offered to drive Carl home.

722
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,000
The two stopped along the way and fleshing Queens near Brown Park.

723
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,240
They chatted for a bit or whatever 21 year olds do in a car at night outside of a park

724
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,240
at 2.30 in the morning.

725
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,640
Smokes a little bit of weed.

726
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,040
Kissing would have you.

727
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,560
All of a sudden, the glass of the windows shattered around them.

728
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:43,080
Startled in not knowing what was transpiring, Rosemary started the car and sped off.

729
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,680
When they were able to assess themselves, they both realized that Carl had actually

730
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,560
been shot in the head, but was conscious at the time.

731
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,200
Until learning that fact, essentially.

732
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,960
I mean, once you realize that.

733
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:54,960
Yeah, shock.

734
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:55,960
Yeah.

735
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,600
He woke up just a few hours later in the hospital.

736
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,760
Carl had undergone emergency surgery, including these of metal plates for the extensive damage

737
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,440
done to his skull.

738
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,040
Rosemary was unharmed by the would be killer, just minor scrapes and scratches from the

739
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,760
shattered glass.

740
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,280
Neither Rosemary nor Kyle could give a good description of the suspect.

741
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,480
However, investigators would not leave so empty handed from this scene.

742
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,040
They were actually able to obtain a near perfect bullet from the shell of the car and were

743
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,280
able to determine that the bullet was a.44 caliber.

744
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,720
Although it was not determined at the time what kind of gun was used because it still

745
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,680
suffered some damage.

746
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,640
Carl's father was actually a 20 year New York City police veteran at the time of the

747
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,640
shooting.

748
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,920
So of course, the department took this very seriously.

749
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,760
The shooting had yet to be linked to Donna and Jodi's shooting since they were being

750
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,560
investigated by two different boroughs because this happened in two different boroughs.

751
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,480
It would be revealed later that due to Carl's long hair at the time, the killer likely believed

752
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,280
that there were two women in the car.

753
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,840
About a month later, 16 year old Donna DeMassie and 18 year old Joanne Lomino decided to go

754
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,240
see a late night movie.

755
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,160
They took the bus to get back to Joanne's family home where the two were supposed to

756
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,800
be staying the night.

757
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,200
Once they reached the porch of the home, they noticed that they had been followed by a man

758
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,240
and military fatigues.

759
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:22,160
The man began to speak in a high pitched voice, as if to ask the girls for directions while

760
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,880
attempting to manipulate his voice at the same time.

761
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,760
When all of a sudden the man pulled a gun from his coat pocket and began firing at them.

762
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,800
He struck each of the girls once in capacitating them and then he turned to run away and when

763
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:42,680
he did he fired several more shots in their direction but they weren't hit a second time.

764
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,840
He's like really chaotic with this gun.

765
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:45,840
It's weird.

766
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,400
Okay but remember when they had said that he was a really good Mark Smith?

767
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:51,400
Yeah.

768
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,520
Mark Smith, Mark Smith.

769
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,920
When he was in the army.

770
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,440
So why is he missing all the time?

771
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,440
Exactly.

772
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:05,120
He was actually hitting each of them once and then turning to run and going, can't catch

773
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,120
me.

774
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,120
Yeah, that is weird.

775
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,120
It's weird.

776
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,920
As the suspect ran away, a neighbor who had heard the shots ran to the sidewalk to see

777
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,360
what the noise was.

778
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,600
At that moment the suspect ran right past the neighbor who noticed the man had a revolver

779
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,100
in his hand.

780
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:22,640
This neighbor was able to provide a description of the man, although the neighbor swore that

781
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,000
the suspect had blonde hair, not deep brown or black like Berkowitz did.

782
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,320
So I witnessed testimony is not very reliable.

783
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,680
Donna DeMassie would be struck in the neck by gunfire but she would ultimately survive

784
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:35,920
the attack.

785
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:41,520
Joanne Lomino who also survived the attack, she actually would never walk again.

786
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,720
The bullet pierced her or did enough damage to her spinal cord.

787
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:45,720
She would never walk again.

788
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:47,280
And she was like 20 years old.

789
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,280
Fucking dickhead.

790
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,280
Or 18.

791
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,280
I think she might have been 18.

792
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,280
Yeah.

793
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,280
18.

794
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,320
So sad.

795
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,400
At this point these three shootings have yet to be connected as only one bullet was

796
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,920
not completely destroyed and that was the scene from Carl and Rosemary's shooting.

797
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:07,600
On January 30th, 1977, Christine Fruend and her fiance John Dial decided to go see the

798
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:08,960
hottest new movie.

799
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,160
It was just released a couple of months prior.

800
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,160
Guess it.

801
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,160
1977.

802
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,160
The biggest movie.

803
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,160
Greece?

804
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:22,000
Well it was technically 1976 because it had come out like November.

805
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,000
No.

806
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,000
I don't know.

807
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,000
Adrian.

808
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000
Adrian.

809
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,000
Rain Man?

810
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,000
Rocky.

811
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,000
Oh, Rocky.

812
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,000
That's not the first letter I read.

813
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,000
Rain Man.

814
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,000
Oh no.

815
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,000
Oh no.

816
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,000
Oh no.

817
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:48,640
Hey guys, while we're on the topic of movies, we definitely want to shout out one of our

818
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819
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,400
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820
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,400
all time.

821
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,600
Whether it's Blockbuster Hips or B-List Flicks, these guys have all the information and spoilers

822
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,120
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823
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:11,640
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824
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,400
Did you know, okay, so just a little tidbit about Rocky, you know, like everybody thinks

825
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,960
I have the tiger when they think Rocky.

826
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:18,960
That's actually Rocky III.

827
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,920
It's not even Rocky, like the first Rocky.

828
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:21,920
Right?

829
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,440
It's the Amadougan.

830
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,720
So while the couple sat in the car of the theater parking lot, they were considering

831
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,760
which dance hall that they wanted to attend for that night.

832
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,200
Shops began to ring out.

833
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,840
The car was struck several times by gunfire.

834
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,480
John only suffered minor entries from the glass shattering, however, Christine was struck

835
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,520
twice in the head.

836
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,360
After John tried to drive from the scene and wave down passing motorists for help, neighbors

837
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,200
called police.

838
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,200
Christine would eventually succumb to her injuries in the hospital.

839
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,200
It's so sad.

840
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,200
It's really sad.

841
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,080
Can you imagine like you're fucking fiancee and you're just trying to have a date night?

842
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,200
I was actually going to go to the drive-in movies tonight.

843
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,680
I'm glad we're not now.

844
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,920
Listening to John, like, because there's like an actual interview and he was like, when

845
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:10,760
she went to like tuck her head, she was like leaning into his chest and then she was shot.

846
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:16,160
I think she was like leaning towards John for like cover and he was trying to hold her

847
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,000
and she was shot like while.

848
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,920
So it was like after she was shot and she was already gone, he was like he lifted her

849
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,920
back up and notice like that she wasn't responding.

850
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,400
Oh my God, I can't imagine that shit.

851
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,280
It's so sad.

852
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,840
It's a really sad interview.

853
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,480
Neither one would be able to give a description of the assailant, of course.

854
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,120
Bullets that were recovered from the scene matched a.44 caliber gun.

855
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,880
Police at this time looking at certain circumstances of each crime determined that these four shootings

856
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:52,360
were all linked somehow, specifically that most of the targets seemed to be long, dark-haired

857
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,280
women and young.

858
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,440
After this finding, the.44 caliber killer case would be taken over by Captain Borelli.

859
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,520
Under Borelli's watch, it was proven that the specific.44 caliber gun they would be

860
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,440
looking for was a Bulldog revolver, which is a very unusual gun.

861
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,160
Police would compare the composites that Jodi Valenti provided and the one from the Joanne

862
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:19,120
Lomino and Donna DeMassie case and determine that there must be more than one suspect,

863
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,200
because these sketches didn't make any sense.

864
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:28,840
On March 8, 1977, Virginia Vosketsian was walking home from a Columbia University campus when

865
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,240
she noticed a man walking up directly towards her.

866
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:36,840
As the man raised his gun, Virginia tried to shield herself with her own textbooks, but

867
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,880
was ultimately shot and killed at this point.

868
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:39,880
Oh my God.

869
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:40,880
It's so sad.

870
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,120
Just at fucking school.

871
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,120
Yep.

872
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,800
She was at night, but still.

873
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,600
But she's walking home.

874
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,840
Probably from studying or something.

875
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,520
Bullets that were recovered from the scene were that of a.44 caliber Bulldog.

876
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,320
At this time, police released the information to the public that the killer was using a

877
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,000
.44 caliber weapon.

878
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,720
Fucking dumbasses.

879
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:04,800
And to call in with any information of anyone knowing anyone in possession of one.

880
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,840
Yeah, they're gonna fucking just let you know.

881
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,840
Hey, I have one of those.

882
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,680
In the height of New York.

883
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,400
Yeah, what the hell?

884
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,120
Also during around this time, like New York's crime rate was just insane.

885
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,960
So it was like anybody could have a fucking.44.

886
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,160
So the killer was of course dubbed the.44 caliber killer.

887
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,800
Panic gripped the surrounding area of the crimes, keeping in mind that although New York

888
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,600
was really, really rough at this time, the neighborhoods where Berkowitz was striking

889
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,760
were actually known to be very quiet areas.

890
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,760
Yeah.

891
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,560
April 10th, Sam Carr receives an anonymous letter from the neighbor, complaining that

892
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,040
his dog Harley was a menace and was too loud.

893
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,960
This person threatened to get the city involved if he couldn't shut the dog up.

894
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:50,080
This poor fucking guy named Sam, because of what happens later.

895
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,720
This poor guy probably feels so bad and he didn't even do anything wrong.

896
00:40:54,720 --> 00:41:00,960
On April 17th, 1977, Valentia Siriani, who was an aspiring actress and her boyfriend,

897
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,680
college student Alexander Estelle, borrowed Alex's brother's car to go out together for

898
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,320
that night.

899
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,000
After returning home around 3 a.m., the couple began to kiss and such inside the car, parked

900
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,280
a block away from Valentina's home.

901
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,400
A neighbor heard four shots ring out and then immediately called police.

902
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,680
When the police arrived, they found Valentina, who was just 18, and had died from a single

903
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,880
bullet wound.

904
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,360
Alexander was taken to the hospital with two gunshot wounds to the head and would pass away

905
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,360
several hours later.

906
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,360
Oh my gosh.

907
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,560
He was only 20.

908
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,560
And like, no one can fucking identify him because they either don't survive or they

909
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,400
can't see him and they don't even know what's happening until they get shot.

910
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,800
Alex had been unconscious since the moment he had been shot, therefore, was unable to

911
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,120
communicate with officers who may have done the shooting.

912
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,000
Bullets that were recovered from the scene were consistent with other bullets left at

913
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,960
other crime scenes.

914
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,760
This was not all investigators would find, however.

915
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,200
Near the car, police would find a letter addressed to Captain Varelli.

916
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,240
No.

917
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:03,760
The note stated this.

918
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:10,440
Quote, Mr. Joe Barelli, Queen's Homicide, I am deeply hurt by you calling me a weemon

919
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,440
hater.

920
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,440
W-E-M-O-N, a weemon hater.

921
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,440
What is that?

922
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,440
A wife?

923
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,440
Woman?

924
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,440
Yes.

925
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,440
Oh no.

926
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:20,440
It's like BTK all over again.

927
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,440
A weyomin.

928
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,720
I am not, but I am a monster.

929
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,400
I am the son of Sam.

930
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,280
I am a little brat.

931
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,840
When father Sam gets drunk, he gets mean.

932
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,000
He beats his family.

933
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,640
Sometimes he ties me up to the back of the house.

934
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,800
Other times he locks me in the garage.

935
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,560
Sam loves to drink blood.

936
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,400
Go out and kill, commands father Sam.

937
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,520
Behind our house, some rest.

938
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,040
Mostly young, raped and slaughtered.

939
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,760
Their blood drained, just bones now.

940
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,480
Papa Sam keeps me locked in the attic, too.

941
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,960
I can't get out, but I look out the attic window and watch the world go by.

942
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,600
I feel like an outsider.

943
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,480
I am on a different wavelength than everybody else.

944
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,480
Programmed to kill.

945
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,040
However, to stop me, you must kill me.

946
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,920
Attention all police.

947
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,280
Shoot me first.

948
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,120
Shoot to kill or else.

949
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,320
Keep out of my way or you will die.

950
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,000
Papa Sam is old now.

951
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,400
He needs some blood to preserve his youth.

952
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,400
He has had too many heart attacks.

953
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,400
Too many heart attacks.

954
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,240
Ugh, me art, it hurts, sunny boy.

955
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:25,720
I miss my pretty princess most of all.

956
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:29,200
She is resting in our lady's house, but I will see her soon.

957
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,880
I am the monster, Beelzebub, the chubby behemoth.

958
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,720
I love to hunt, prowling the streets looking for game, tasty meat.

959
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:41,720
The weemon of Queens are a zeepardiest of all.

960
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:43,880
I must be the water they drink.

961
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,560
I live for the hunt, my life.

962
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,680
Blood for Papa, Mr. Barely, sir.

963
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,120
I don't want to kill anyone, no, sir.

964
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,760
No more, but I must honor thy father.

965
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,520
I want to make love to the world.

966
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,600
I love people.

967
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,560
I don't belong on earth.

968
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,920
Return me to YAHOOS, to the people of Queens.

969
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,120
I love you.

970
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,160
And I want to wish all of you a happy Easter.

971
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,120
May God bless you in his life and in the next.

972
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,600
And for now, I say goodbye and good night.

973
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,400
Police, let me haunt you with these words.

974
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,480
I'll be back.

975
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,960
I'll be back.

976
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,320
To be interpreted as bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

977
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,000
Ugh, yours and murder.

978
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,120
Mr. Monster.

979
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,120
End quote.

980
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,200
OK, ugh, I'm sweating.

981
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,120
First of all, he contradicted himself like 30 fucking times

982
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,440
in that whole letter.

983
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,960
He's like, I love the women, but I'm going to kill them all.

984
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,720
You must kill me, but stay away from me or I'll suck at you.

985
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:47,240
OK, and all of that is a farce, clearly, except for the part

986
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:49,320
that he's going to keep killing.

987
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,640
Imagine getting that letter.

988
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,760
Like, does this guy really think that someone

989
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,520
is locked in an attic and is being forced to kill?

990
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,880
Or does he think that he is suffering from some sort

991
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,520
of disorder?

992
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:00,280
So I don't know.

993
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,800
OK, so it can be interpreted like a few different ways,

994
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:03,300
right?

995
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:04,560
That's so much.

996
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,080
Like, we know that the dogs are talking to him, right?

997
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:14,200
So I'm wondering if Sam, like when he says Sam is getting old,

998
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,840
he's like this demon that needs to feast on blood

999
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,680
to remain young.

1000
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,080
But is it trapped in a bait, trapped in the attic?

1001
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,080
Is it like he feels like he's trapped in the attic

1002
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,760
until Sam the demon uses him?

1003
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:28,920
You know what I mean?

1004
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,360
He's watching the world kind of pass by while he's not

1005
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,600
being used by Sam.

1006
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:33,440
You know what I mean?

1007
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,600
But he's also like very intelligent.

1008
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,040
So maybe he's just trying to throw them off

1009
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,600
and make it seem like he is being held captive

1010
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:41,800
and being forced to do this.

1011
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,600
And he's not just like, because as far as I'm concerned,

1012
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,280
him and Sam don't even know each other.

1013
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,920
Like, Sam has no idea who this guy is, pretty much.

1014
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,680
And so it's not like he's actually

1015
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,120
having conversations with Sam and misinterpreting them

1016
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,680
or just interpreting them differently.

1017
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,200
He's just pretending.

1018
00:45:59,200 --> 00:45:59,920
We're not pretending.

1019
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,320
But he's being told by his hallucinations

1020
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,520
that this is what's happening.

1021
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,960
Or he's like pushing the narrative just to be unnerving.

1022
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,040
You know what I mean?

1023
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,840
Like, he's saying things that don't make sense

1024
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,160
because it sounds like it's out of the mind of a crazy person.

1025
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:13,800
Yeah.

1026
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:14,480
You know what I mean?

1027
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,920
But so detectives have some theories

1028
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,560
as to what the letter meant.

1029
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,360
One theory is that the writer struggled

1030
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,720
with the death of a parent.

1031
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:24,960
That's why he calls himself son.

1032
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,240
And that maybe his father, his real father,

1033
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:31,720
had suffered a heart attack because he made that notion

1034
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:33,160
of like he's had so many heart attacks.

1035
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,240
He's had so many heart attacks.

1036
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:37,200
Yeah, but his adoptive dad is alive and well.

1037
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,640
And his bio dad, how did he die?

1038
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,560
Right, but this is just the detectives theory

1039
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,000
of like who they might be looking for.

1040
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:42,880
I see.

1041
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,640
Donna and Jodi, which were the first two shooting victims,

1042
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,080
they were also nursing students.

1043
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,680
So they were like, oh, maybe he's attacking young,

1044
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,480
like Florence Nightingale type people.

1045
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:53,480
You know what I mean?

1046
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,320
Son of Sam could also be in reference to the military,

1047
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,640
meaning the son of Uncle Sam.

1048
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,800
So they were like, maybe he's a military man.

1049
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,040
And again, at one point in the letter,

1050
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,120
there's kind of references to this Scott English accent.

1051
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,560
Like when I was like, oh, meow, it's sunny boy.

1052
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,720
You know, it's sunny boy.

1053
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:15,640
So detectives thought that maybe the writer might be close

1054
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,720
to heritage or something like that.

1055
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:18,720
Okay.

1056
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:20,240
And again, this is all just speculation.

1057
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:21,800
They don't fucking know.

1058
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,440
Either way, the letter was addressed specifically

1059
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,000
to a police officer, especially to the head

1060
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,080
of the investigation, and it was really unnerving.

1061
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,720
And when did he leave that letter?

1062
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:32,560
Because neighbors called police immediately

1063
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:33,680
after the shots were fired.

1064
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,840
So how did he like run by like tossing?

1065
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,280
Unless he left it there and then did the shooting.

1066
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,320
You know what I mean?

1067
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,120
He walked by them first and left it there.

1068
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:41,960
I don't think he walked by.

1069
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,080
I think he just put it there and then he shot, you know?

1070
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,720
But if neighbors heard the shots,

1071
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:49,160
wouldn't they have seen him like when they called police?

1072
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,000
Like they looked at the scene.

1073
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:50,840
Not three in the morning.

1074
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:51,680
No, that's three in the morning.

1075
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,080
It's not like it's noon.

1076
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,840
Most killers enjoy playing cat and mouse.

1077
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:55,680
Everybody knows that.

1078
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,440
But the letters seemed to just be a little different.

1079
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,680
It really didn't, it wasn't like, come find me.

1080
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,560
You know, it was just, it was just taunting, you know?

1081
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,440
It was like, shoot me if you must, but stay away.

1082
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:07,280
Well, if you do that.

1083
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,240
Yes, stay away or else.

1084
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:13,560
So the investigators were absolutely convinced

1085
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,320
that this individual was suffering

1086
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,480
from some type of schizophrenia

1087
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,880
and that they were sure that this person did believe

1088
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,760
that they were possessed by it even.

1089
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:22,600
Okay.

1090
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,320
On May 19th, Sam Carr received another letter

1091
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,160
regarding his dog Harley.

1092
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,800
The letter stated, quote,

1093
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,600
I have asked you kindly to stop that dog

1094
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,000
from howling all day long, yet he continues to do so.

1095
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:34,920
I pleaded with you.

1096
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,360
I told you how this could destroy my family.

1097
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,760
We have no peace, no rest.

1098
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,480
Now I know what kind of a person you are

1099
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,280
and what kind of a family you are.

1100
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,080
You are cruel and inconsiderate.

1101
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,320
You have no love for any other human beings.

1102
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,040
You're selfish, Mr. Carr.

1103
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,400
My life is destroyed now

1104
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,240
and I have nothing to lose anymore.

1105
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,680
I can see that there shall be no peace in my life

1106
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,200
or my family's life until I end yours.

1107
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,000
Immediately know I would move so fucking fast.

1108
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,720
I would be like, I'm the fuck out of here.

1109
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:03,880
You give that dog away.

1110
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,760
Damn it, you give that dog away.

1111
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,040
Or I will end your life.

1112
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:08,880
You woke up to sleep.

1113
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,280
That's why I put you to sleep.

1114
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,440
You're terrifying.

1115
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,080
That is, imagine getting that letter.

1116
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,120
I think it's worse.

1117
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:15,960
Oh no.

1118
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,720
On May 29th, Sam Carr's dog, Harley,

1119
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:20,880
was shot in the middle of the night.

1120
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,440
Harley would be rushed to a vet

1121
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,120
and ultimately would survive.

1122
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:24,960
Oh my gosh.

1123
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,160
Could you imagine?

1124
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,000
Like getting that letter

1125
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,600
and then someone following through

1126
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,880
on what they said they were gonna do.

1127
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,280
Right?

1128
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,840
He probably was like, oh, these damn kids.

1129
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,840
Like imagine what it's like for Berkowitz

1130
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,880
and be like thinking that that dog is like a god

1131
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,720
or something because you shot it.

1132
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:44,520
Like you've already killed people with the same gun

1133
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,600
and you've like shot this dog with a 44 and it survives.

1134
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,240
When the dog is, you know what I mean?

1135
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:53,160
For the schizophrenia spectrum, can't be good.

1136
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:54,000
Can't be good.

1137
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:54,840
It's probably like, oh my god.

1138
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:55,680
It's a god.

1139
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,520
It's protected.

1140
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:58,360
Oh no.

1141
00:49:59,080 --> 00:49:59,920
Oh no.

1142
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,080
Did you hear that demon come out of my voice?

1143
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:03,920
Just now it's like.

1144
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:04,760
Eww.

1145
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:05,600
Eww.

1146
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:10,600
On May 30th, 1977, so the next day,

1147
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,840
the Daily News received a letter addressed to Jimmy Breslin.

1148
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,800
Jimmy by this time was a well-known figure

1149
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,160
in American journalism.

1150
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,280
Jimmy had recently put out an article detailing

1151
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,000
some of the crimes that the son of Sam had committed

1152
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,800
and almost taunted him,

1153
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,560
told the killer to turn himself in

1154
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,520
since it was the only clear civil outcome

1155
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:28,520
for this whole thing.

1156
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,960
The son of Sam did not like this.

1157
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:32,800
Yeah.

1158
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,320
The envelope containing the letter

1159
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,200
said nothing on the front, but the back read, quote,

1160
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:42,200
blood and family, darkness and death, absolute depravity, 44.

1161
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:43,760
End quote.

1162
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,520
The letter stated this, quote,

1163
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,520
hello from the gutters of NYC,

1164
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,720
which are filled with dog manure, vomit,

1165
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:55,000
stale wine, urine and blood.

1166
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,280
Hello from the sewers of NYC,

1167
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,120
which swallow up these delicacies

1168
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,200
as they are washed away by the sweeper trucks.

1169
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,160
Hello from the cracks of the sidewalks

1170
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,680
of NYC and from the ants that dwell in these cracks

1171
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,160
and feed on the dried blood of the dead

1172
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,280
that has settled into these cracks.

1173
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,120
JB, I'm just dropping you a line to let you know

1174
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,480
that I appreciate your interest

1175
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,240
in those recent and horrendous 44 killings.

1176
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:21,640
I also wanna tell you that I read your column daily

1177
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,640
and I find it quite informative.

1178
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,080
Tell me, Jim, what will you have for July 29th?

1179
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,720
You can forget about me if you'd like

1180
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:30,840
because I don't care for publicity.

1181
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,160
However, you must not forget Donaloria.

1182
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,400
You cannot let the people forget about her either.

1183
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,360
She was a very, very sweet girl,

1184
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,480
but Sam's a thirsty lad and he won't let me stop killing

1185
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,240
until he gets his fill of blood.

1186
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:46,360
Mr. Breslin, sir, don't think that because you haven't heard

1187
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,640
from me in a while that I went to sleep.

1188
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,780
No, rather, I am still here.

1189
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,520
Like a spirit roaming the night,

1190
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,480
thirsty, hungry, seldom stopping to rest,

1191
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,760
anxious to please Sam.

1192
00:51:58,760 --> 00:51:59,840
I love my work.

1193
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,560
Now the void has been filled.

1194
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,920
Perhaps we shall meet face to face some day

1195
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,120
or perhaps I will be blown away by cops with smoking 38s.

1196
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,240
Whatever, if I shall be fortunate enough to meet you,

1197
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:13,320
I will tell you all about Sam if you'd like

1198
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,160
and I will introduce you to him.

1199
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,560
His name is Sam the Terrible.

1200
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,940
Not knowing what the future holds, I shall say farewell

1201
00:52:20,940 --> 00:52:22,900
and I will see you at my next job.

1202
00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:26,160
Or should I say you will see my handy work at the next job.

1203
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,680
Remember Miss Loria, thank you,

1204
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,840
in their blood from the gutters.

1205
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,680
Sam's creation, 44.

1206
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,320
Here are some names to help you along.

1207
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,720
Forward them to the inspector for use by NCIC,

1208
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:43,800
the Duke of Death.

1209
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,640
No, shut up.

1210
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,040
The Wicked King Wicker.

1211
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,040
No, he did not.

1212
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:48,880
No, he did not.

1213
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,560
The 22 Disciples of Hell.

1214
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:54,400
What?

1215
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,800
That's not even a name.

1216
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:56,920
John Wheaties.

1217
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,760
John.

1218
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,240
Rapist and suffocator of young girls.

1219
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:05,120
That's not, that's like too much, that's a mouthful.

1220
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,680
PS, JB, please inform all the detectives working the case

1221
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,520
that I wish them the best of luck.

1222
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,640
Keep them digging, drive on, think positive,

1223
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,160
get off your butts, knock on coffins, et cetera.

1224
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,680
Upon my capture, I promised to buy all the guys

1225
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,280
working the case a new pair of shoes

1226
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,880
if I can come up with the money.

1227
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,440
Signed as a son of Sam.

1228
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,240
Okay, that is so all over the place.

1229
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:30,120
Isn't it?

1230
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,640
All over the place.

1231
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,840
Like it sounds really creepy and ominous at the beginning.

1232
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,000
It sounds like Rorschach, like Watchman.

1233
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,240
It's like the gooders of NYC.

1234
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:41,280
You know, it's so, I don't know.

1235
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,640
Also with the English terms, he says inspector

1236
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,320
and then he says detectives.

1237
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,800
That's like contradicting itself already.

1238
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,200
It's interesting.

1239
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,360
So what did Jimmy do with this letter?

1240
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:54,200
No.

1241
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:55,760
Why he printed it in the newspaper, of course.

1242
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:56,600
No, he did not.

1243
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,320
Yes, he did.

1244
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,160
Oh, hell no.

1245
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:00,560
He's like, help me come up with one of the names

1246
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:01,400
for this guy.

1247
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:02,720
That's the best one.

1248
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:03,800
We're taking a poll.

1249
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,240
I like the Wicked Wicker Man or whatever.

1250
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:08,960
What was the first one?

1251
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,480
It was the Duke of Death.

1252
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,800
The Duke of Death.

1253
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:14,960
Why is there the Derby Kid?

1254
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,560
The Wicked King, the Derby Kid.

1255
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,520
The Derby Kid.

1256
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,440
The Wicked King Wicker, the 22 disciples of hell.

1257
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:24,920
That doesn't even make sense.

1258
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,840
John Wheaties, the suffocator.

1259
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,480
The Duke of Death.

1260
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,320
The Duke of Death.

1261
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,320
Damn, that's crazy.

1262
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,520
So to this day, the Daily News, that article

1263
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,120
was the top selling newspaper of all time,

1264
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,960
like of the Daily News history.

1265
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:44,800
Oh my God.

1266
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:45,640
Of course it was.

1267
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,000
It sold over 1.1 million copies.

1268
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,480
To this day, it is the most anybody's bought

1269
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,920
a Daily News article or edition, I guess.

1270
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,640
To this point, people know that there's a serial murderer

1271
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:57,600
on the loose.

1272
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,160
But with this came complications from the public.

1273
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,920
Thousands and thousands of false leads

1274
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,440
were fed to the investigation.

1275
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,080
Not only that, but fear became rampant.

1276
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,600
Women began to dye their hair, cut their hair,

1277
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,920
or wear their hair under bandanas or head wraps

1278
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,080
to cover the color of their hair.

1279
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,920
At night, the streets were all barren.

1280
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,200
Girlfriends and boyfriends opted to stay inside

1281
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,520
or to kiss goodnight on the porch instead.

1282
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,560
Within the letter, the date July 29th,

1283
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,080
references the one year anniversary of the shooting

1284
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:28,640
that Donna Laurier was killed in.

1285
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,600
The text on the page was also very different

1286
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,800
than the first letter that was written to Borelli.

1287
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,000
The text almost looked like comic book text,

1288
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:35,840
you know what I mean?

1289
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,000
Where it's like all caps.

1290
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,600
So much so that the investigators actually interviewed

1291
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,800
several writers for DC Comics.

1292
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:43,640
Really?

1293
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,360
Yeah, you know like the Batman people.

1294
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:46,200
Yeah.

1295
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,480
If somebody doesn't know.

1296
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,480
It was very super neat to read.

1297
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,280
Like it was placed, the spacing was very nice.

1298
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,880
The original letter, if you look at the first one,

1299
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,040
it's all over the place.

1300
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,640
It's like really choppy, doesn't make any sense.

1301
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,320
This one's like very...

1302
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:05,360
You can trick it.

1303
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,080
Well, it's just very specific looking.

1304
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,080
So the text also thought that they were dealing

1305
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,080
with someone who had done calligraphy before or something.

1306
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,800
Not only that, but this letter was the first time

1307
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,360
that the son of Sam had drawn a picture

1308
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,960
towards the bottom and it had like,

1309
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,440
it was like a circle with like,

1310
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,480
I don't wanna say, not like the Zodiac one

1311
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,680
because it also had like triangles on it or something.

1312
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,520
It's really interesting if anybody wants to look at it,

1313
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,480
if you go to Murderpedia,

1314
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,280
they have pictures of all the letters.

1315
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,800
So this is the first time that they've like,

1316
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,360
detectives were like, oh, there's like a riddle

1317
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:36,360
in picture form.

1318
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,720
Detectives also thought that some of the references

1319
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:41,320
to the Wicked King Wicker was actually in reference

1320
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,920
to the Wicker Man, the movie.

1321
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,440
So they actually arranged a screening of the movie

1322
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,480
for detectives to like sit in the theater

1323
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:49,800
and like watch the whole movie

1324
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,560
to see if there was any clues.

1325
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,720
Interesting. Isn't that interesting?

1326
00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:55,640
I love that movies were brought up like twice.

1327
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,120
Yeah. We talked about Rocky and then Wicker Man.

1328
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:59,600
Wicker Man was like four years old

1329
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:00,840
at this point though, I think.

1330
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,560
So does this guy, Sam, like the real Sam,

1331
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,800
not make the correlation of like,

1332
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,040
now there's this new killer that says he's son of Sam

1333
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,040
and I'm getting these odd letters in the mail?

1334
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,360
I would be like, I'm Sam.

1335
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,040
Wouldn't you? And there's like these odd letters

1336
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,400
coming to my house.

1337
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:20,240
I don't know.

1338
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,040
You're not the only Sam in Brooklyn or Bronx.

1339
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,720
But I'm sure not the other Sam's

1340
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,040
are probably not getting these weird letters

1341
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,920
or their dog getting shot with the same type of gun

1342
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,360
that the...

1343
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,600
So there was another kind of letter

1344
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:35,760
and I didn't get to see the ones

1345
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,360
that were addressed to Sam Carr

1346
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,840
but there was another player in all of this.

1347
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,640
And I think he was a sheriff, not a sheriff

1348
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,960
or like a chief, not a chief.

1349
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:47,920
What am I trying to say?

1350
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,080
He was just like a police officer

1351
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,760
and I think he was like one of his neighbors or something.

1352
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,040
But when he addressed the letters to this other guy,

1353
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,480
he was writing in like this really beautiful cursive.

1354
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,000
And so if you see these letters

1355
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,040
that are being run in the newspaper now at this point,

1356
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,840
they don't look the same at all.

1357
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,280
But still, I mean, I don't know.

1358
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,120
That's just very odd that his dog got killed

1359
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,840
by like the same type of gun.

1360
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,920
But he also, but son of Sam,

1361
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,080
not killed but shot, I mean.

1362
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,040
He hasn't referenced dogs at all

1363
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,800
in his letters that are publicly known.

1364
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,720
And you know what I'm saying?

1365
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,160
And that the letters that Sam was getting,

1366
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,160
Sam Carr was getting, were just like,

1367
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:28,640
could you shut that fucking dog up?

1368
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:29,480
You know what I mean?

1369
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,120
Like it didn't have anything to do with demons

1370
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,400
or being in an attic or any of that stuff.

1371
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:34,240
You're my father.

1372
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,320
Or you're my father.

1373
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,640
My long lost daddy.

1374
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:43,360
On June 26, 1977, Salvatore Lupo and Judy Placido

1375
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,120
were sitting in Sal's car after a night

1376
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,840
of dancing at a club.

1377
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,040
The two laughed about how they shouldn't be sitting alone

1378
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,360
together in a parked car at night,

1379
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:55,080
given the recent strings of attacks on couples and cars.

1380
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,480
With the timeframe, like being the way that it is,

1381
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,240
like it's what the 70s, like late 70s,

1382
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,960
like that was very common, of course, for teenagers

1383
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,080
to do that because then they couldn't spend time together

1384
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:04,920
after they went home, right?

1385
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:05,760
In their houses.

1386
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,480
And so I get like the want to continue to do that.

1387
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,400
But also with the news, like, I'm not victim blaming at all.

1388
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,160
But, you know, it's just unfortunate that he was

1389
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,760
targeting people that were just being innocent, you know?

1390
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:17,920
Just kids having fun.

1391
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:18,760
Yeah.

1392
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:19,600
But it's everything that he hated.

1393
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:20,760
He hated it because he never got that.

1394
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:21,840
Yeah, exactly.

1395
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,960
Moments later, shots ripped through the car,

1396
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,280
striking Judy three times in the neck, back, and head.

1397
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:28,440
Oh my gosh.

1398
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,680
Sal or receive a bullet to the arm.

1399
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,280
Both would survive the attack,

1400
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,000
although neither would be able to describe the assailant.

1401
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:35,840
Oh my God.

1402
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,160
Witnesses believed that they saw a man with dark hair

1403
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,560
running from the scene, hopping into a car,

1404
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,240
and were able to obtain a partial plate from that car.

1405
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:44,440
Oh.

1406
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,800
This attack reminded everyone that the ominous letter

1407
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,520
that Son of Sam had written mentioned July 29th,

1408
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,280
the anniversary of Donna Lauria's murder.

1409
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,560
This was not, this was in June, but still.

1410
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,640
It's like gaining like momentum.

1411
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,880
The city felt a lot of very real fear

1412
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,080
building up as the date got closer.

1413
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,240
Police were canvassing streets the week

1414
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:08,840
leading up to that date.

1415
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,920
And they even posed as couples in cars late at night

1416
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,120
in like neighborhood parks.

1417
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,360
Bro, I would be like, I'm sorry, give this assignment

1418
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:16,200
to someone else.

1419
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:17,040
Something else, right?

1420
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:17,880
Oh my gosh.

1421
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:18,720
That's crazy.

1422
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:19,960
But I mean, they're literally putting themselves

1423
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:20,800
in harm's way.

1424
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:21,640
They are.

1425
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,360
Unless they have bulletproof glass on their doors,

1426
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,480
like you could literally get shot

1427
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,000
and not even realize what was happening.

1428
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:27,880
It's really scary.

1429
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,400
Well, yeah, I mean, that's what happened to Carl.

1430
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:30,560
He didn't even realize he was shot.

1431
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:31,400
Yeah, exactly.

1432
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,120
He just thought that like a rock had been thrown

1433
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:34,960
through the window or something.

1434
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,120
But the date came and went and no new murders

1435
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:39,720
from the 44 caliber killer.

1436
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:40,560
What?

1437
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,200
However, on July 31st, the son of Sam

1438
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,440
would claim another victim in Brooklyn.

1439
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,360
So southeast of like Queens Bronx area,

1440
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,040
Stacey Moskowitz and Robert Violante

1441
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,160
went out on their very first date together.

1442
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:56,280
Oh no.

1443
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:57,880
Robert before leaving for the night

1444
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,800
told his parents that he intended to stay

1445
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,400
in the Brooklyn area for the date

1446
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,720
to ensure that the two were safe.

1447
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,240
After a night of dancing and enjoying the night together,

1448
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,000
they parked their car outside of a park

1449
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,440
and began to kiss and such.

1450
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,720
When the couple pulled away from each other for a moment,

1451
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,040
Robert noticed that there was a man standing

1452
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,840
three feet away from Stacey's window.

1453
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:20,680
Oh, hell no.

1454
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,720
The man raised his hand and began firing into the car.

1455
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,800
Robert would be struck in the head twice.

1456
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,120
He would lose an eye and almost all of his vision

1457
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,680
in his right eye.

1458
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,360
Stacey was struck twice in the head

1459
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:35,880
and would be rushed to the hospital,

1460
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:37,800
but ultimately would not survive.

1461
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:38,960
She was just 20.

1462
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,840
And she would also be Son of Sam's only

1463
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,640
blonde hair to victim as well.

1464
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:45,480
That's interesting.

1465
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:46,320
Right?

1466
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,760
Witnesses would say that a man with light colored hair

1467
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,920
ran from the scene once the shots had ceased.

1468
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,280
Another witness said that they saw

1469
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,640
a yellow car fleeing the area.

1470
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,560
Given the fact that Stacey was blonde

1471
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:59,520
and that her and Robert were shot in Brooklyn

1472
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,520
and not the usual Son of Sam,

1473
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,680
it's not the usual Son of Sam area,

1474
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,000
police were relieved when they actually found

1475
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,600
that the bullets from the scene were that

1476
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,640
of the 44 caliber killer and not that of a copycat.

1477
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:11,960
Oh yeah, for sure.

1478
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,720
One officer was quoted in saying, quote,

1479
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,360
it's hard enough to catch one of them.

1480
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,000
Could you imagine if there were two?

1481
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,560
I mean, that sounds kind of bad, but it's true.

1482
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,280
Four days later, Cecilia Davis contacted police

1483
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,240
regarding the night that Stacey Moskowitz was murdered.

1484
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,120
She said that she was out walking her dog

1485
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,680
when she saw a patrol officer ticketing park cars

1486
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:31,920
around the park.

1487
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,800
On her way back to her apartment,

1488
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,960
she noticed that a man who was visibly upset

1489
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,240
was by his car because he had been ticketed

1490
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,880
for being too close to a fire hydrant.

1491
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,960
The car was described as a 1970 yellow Ford Galaxy.

1492
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,040
He drives like the most obvious car too.

1493
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:47,880
It's so yellow.

1494
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:48,720
Yeah.

1495
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,400
Well, I think he bought it because remember earlier,

1496
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,680
like it said that he was a taxi driver for a little bit.

1497
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,120
And I wonder if he just didn't buy it

1498
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:55,200
because it was yellow.

1499
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:56,440
It looks like a taxi, yeah.

1500
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,800
She said she watched the man become frustrated

1501
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,600
saying something to himself under his breath

1502
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,280
as he walked away from the vehicle

1503
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,440
with something dark colored in his hand.

1504
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:05,560
I don't know.

1505
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,040
When Cecilia turned to walk back to her apartment,

1506
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:09,960
she heard shots ring out.

1507
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,320
She did not give a reason as to why she waited

1508
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,240
on that information, because this was like four days later.

1509
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:16,080
Yeah.

1510
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:17,640
But maybe she was just scared.

1511
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,480
Either way, police took this information

1512
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,160
and retrieved the ticket log for that night.

1513
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,960
The yellow Ford Galaxy was registered to David Berkowitz.

1514
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,160
And it had the same partial plate as the recent victim

1515
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,280
or the recent witness said.

1516
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,720
On August 9th, Detective James Justice

1517
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,400
put his efforts into locating David Berkowitz.

1518
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,760
When Justice called the Yonkers precinct

1519
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:43,480
to schedule a few officers to go look for David Berkowitz,

1520
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,040
a young woman by the name of Wheat Carr answered the phone.

1521
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,160
When Justice brought up the name David Berkowitz,

1522
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:55,040
Wheat was shocked as David was her family's neighbor.

1523
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,040
This is pretty unusual, because it's a pretty unusual name,

1524
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:57,880
right?

1525
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:58,720
Yeah.

1526
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,920
She had two brothers who were also lived in the home,

1527
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,360
John and Michael.

1528
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:07,080
It clicked in the officer's head that in both of the Son-O-Sam

1529
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:11,520
letters, one to Burrelly and one to Daily News,

1530
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,840
he references a John Wheaties.

1531
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,240
Interesting.

1532
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,320
I just got that as soon as you were about to say it.

1533
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,640
Wheat told Justice that she and her family

1534
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,120
were convinced that David was responsible for the shooting

1535
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,480
of their dog and just described him as a disturbed person

1536
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,920
who all the neighbors were really kind of weirded out about.

1537
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,040
He lived in kind of a nice area.

1538
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,760
So through this conversation, Justice

1539
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,400
was easily able to locate Berkowitz's house.

1540
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,120
The next day, while police staked out David Berkowitz's

1541
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,680
residence, they peaked inside of his car, the galaxy,

1542
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:46,840
and noticed that there was a butt of a 44 caliber pistol

1543
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,400
underneath, like in the back seat.

1544
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:49,240
Interesting.

1545
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:50,240
This is a coincidence.

1546
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,560
The police were waiting to obtain a search warrant

1547
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,360
for the apartment when David came out suddenly from his home

1548
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,960
and he exited and began to walk to the car.

1549
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,640
And as soon as he reached for the door handle,

1550
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,560
police feared that once he got a hold of the gun,

1551
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,760
it would be a bad situation.

1552
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,000
So they literally pulled out their guns

1553
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,800
and they were just like, get on the ground.

1554
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,520
So they arrest him.

1555
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:13,520
On what, though?

1556
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:14,400
Suspicion?

1557
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:18,000
Suspicion, probably, or holding or whatever.

1558
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,960
They have right to hold him for some reason.

1559
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,480
Well, if he was, he is the person

1560
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,280
that was in the car that got taken and that shot fired.

1561
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:28,680
He could be held as a material witness.

1562
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:29,520
As a witness.

1563
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:30,960
Yeah, of course.

1564
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,560
So again, 44 caliber bulldog that they found.

1565
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,400
David with his hands in the air stated, quote,

1566
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,520
well, you got me, end quote.

1567
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:40,360
Oh, hell no.

1568
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,480
Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.

1569
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,120
I'd be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1570
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,480
Detective Fela Tico, who was the arresting officer,

1571
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,240
said, quote, God who?

1572
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:50,560
Who have I got?

1573
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:51,680
You know.

1574
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:52,680
No, I don't.

1575
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,040
Tell me.

1576
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:55,160
I'm Sam.

1577
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:56,200
You're Sam.

1578
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:57,320
Sam who?

1579
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:58,200
Sam.

1580
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,080
David Berkowitz.

1581
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,160
Located inside the car was another letter

1582
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,960
written similarly to the other letters

1583
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,560
talking about plans to shoot inside of a busy club,

1584
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,280
like a discotheque, like within the next week or so.

1585
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,080
Oh my gosh.

1586
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:13,080
Could you imagine, though?

1587
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,360
Now it's like we can imagine mass shootings.

1588
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:15,720
Yeah.

1589
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:20,800
But like in 70, like late 70s, maybe not so much.

1590
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,080
But could you imagine?

1591
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:25,120
He's just really scary.

1592
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,760
He just like, he's like, well, you got me.

1593
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:28,960
He's just like, you got me.

1594
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:29,680
Cappals.

1595
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:30,680
Like, nothing gave up.

1596
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,040
It sounds bad, but he just surrendered immediately.

1597
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,120
Berkowitz was taken to the Yonkers precinct

1598
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:36,600
and held until they could officially

1599
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,320
take a statement from him.

1600
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,920
Confident in the arrest, police had held a press conference

1601
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:42,560
where the mayor was state, quote,

1602
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,920
the people of the city of New York can rest easy today

1603
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,640
because of the fact that police have captured a man who they

1604
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:49,120
believed to be the son of Sam.

1605
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:50,560
Oh, wow.

1606
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,680
In the early morning hours of April 11,

1607
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,920
David Berkowitz confessed to all his crimes

1608
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,440
he had committed over the last year and a half.

1609
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,400
And he had expressed his intention of pleading guilty

1610
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:00,920
to every single one of them.

1611
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,520
He continued to maintain that he was in fact possessed

1612
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,840
by several demons, and that he did believe

1613
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,560
that he was being controlled by the neighborhood dogs who had

1614
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,760
only been silenced by blood sacrifices.

1615
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,600
The public was shocked to find out what David looked like,

1616
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,640
this unassuming, broad-statured man who was a taxi driver

1617
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:18,880
and post-office worker.

1618
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:19,440
Yeah.

1619
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,560
He seemed mild-mannered and was described by some

1620
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,560
to be just quiet, and he was living in a nice area,

1621
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,360
and some neighbors had never problem with him at all.

1622
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,440
It didn't sit well with some people,

1623
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:30,960
not to mention that he looked nothing

1624
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,360
like the composite sketches.

1625
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:33,160
Wow.

1626
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,200
Initial psychiatric tests concluded

1627
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,960
that Berkowitz was competent enough to stand trial.

1628
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,800
And against the advice of his defense lawyers to plead not.

1629
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:42,840
Does he find for himself?

1630
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,000
Well, the defense lawyers were like, you should plead guilty

1631
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,240
by reason of insanity.

1632
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:47,960
And Berkowitz said, absolutely not.

1633
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:49,440
He maintained his guilty plea.

1634
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:50,440
Wow.

1635
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,360
On September 19, 1977, David Berkowitz

1636
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,240
was allowed to release a statement regarding the charges.

1637
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,680
In this statement, Berkowitz says, quote,

1638
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:00,320
there are other sons out there.

1639
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,360
God help the world, end quote.

1640
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:03,160
Doubt it.

1641
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,080
Alluding to the fact that he did not work alone.

1642
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,960
David Berkowitz was found guilty on all six counts

1643
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,720
of secondary murder and all counts of attempted murder.

1644
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,840
At his sentencing hearing just two weeks later,

1645
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,200
Berkowitz tried to jump out of the courtroom window

1646
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,360
in an effort to unalive himself.

1647
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:20,200
Oh my god.

1648
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:21,920
He was on the seventh floor.

1649
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,560
When he was detained, he began to yell, quote,

1650
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:25,600
Stacy was a whore.

1651
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:26,880
She deserved to die.

1652
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:28,040
I'd kill her again.

1653
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,880
I'd kill them all again, end quote.

1654
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,560
Once the courtroom calms and David was evaluated,

1655
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,600
evaluated once more to.

1656
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:39,040
I'll fucking say, he should have been evaluated after that shit.

1657
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:39,880
Let me reevaluate again.

1658
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:41,720
Let me just make sure that you're good.

1659
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:42,440
Yeah.

1660
01:08:42,440 --> 01:08:44,520
So he was evaluated again just to make sure that he was

1661
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,760
seen enough to be at his sentencing.

1662
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,320
Berkowitz was sentenced to six 25 to life sentences

1663
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:52,320
to run consecutively.

1664
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,400
And I like when they say that, run consecutively.

1665
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,000
Like they're going to give you a break in between?

1666
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:57,320
Yeah.

1667
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,000
No, no, no, no.

1668
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,920
Berkowitz bounced around from psychiatric facility

1669
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,160
to psychiatric facility for the first year or so

1670
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,920
that he was sentenced before landing in Attica for almost

1671
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,400
10 years.

1672
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,200
Within this first year at Attica,

1673
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,320
another inmate tried to kill Berkowitz by slashing at him.

1674
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:14,160
Oh no.

1675
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:16,760
Berkowitz, what?

1676
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,280
Sentenced to sarcastic.

1677
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:19,200
Oh no.

1678
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:20,280
I was being genuine.

1679
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,280
I just didn't come out like.

1680
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:26,040
Berkowitz actually received 50 stitches to his neck

1681
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,680
and was able to recover.

1682
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,280
Berkowitz described Attica as a nightmare, but like good.

1683
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:33,240
How many?

1684
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:33,600
Sorry.

1685
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,920
How many stitches would it take to stitch your whole head back

1686
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:37,120
on?

1687
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,360
Because I feel like 50 is a lot.

1688
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,280
50 is a lot, right?

1689
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,040
We could have some inside too.

1690
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:42,680
You know what I mean?

1691
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:43,440
Yeah, I don't know.

1692
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:45,000
Jeez, that's scary.

1693
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,840
That's horrible.

1694
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,680
Berkowitz said about the slashing that he deserved it,

1695
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,440
but that the experience also gave him a new perspective

1696
01:09:52,440 --> 01:09:54,200
and he was grateful to the inmate,

1697
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,720
never revealing who the culprit actually was.

1698
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,040
Like he knew who it was.

1699
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:00,160
He's like, he never gave him up.

1700
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:01,360
Respect.

1701
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,400
It was at this time that David decided

1702
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,800
to turn his life over to God.

1703
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:06,680
OK.

1704
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:11,640
He says in his testimony about his conversion to evangelism.

1705
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,640
And quote.

1706
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:19,800
The whole thing has been a quote thus far.

1707
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:21,800
End quote.

1708
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,520
It's just him breathing.

1709
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:28,560
Quote, at one time I almost lost my life when another inmate

1710
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:29,800
cut my throat.

1711
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,840
Yet all through this, and I did not realize until later,

1712
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,280
God had his loving hands on me.

1713
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,000
10 years into my prison sentence and feeling despondent

1714
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,240
without any hope, another inmate came up to me one day

1715
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:45,680
as I was walking the prison yard on a cold winter's night.

1716
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,840
He introduced himself to me and began to tell me

1717
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,000
that Jesus Christ loved me and he wanted to forgive me.

1718
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,400
Although I knew he meant well, I mocked him

1719
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:56,040
because I did not think that God would ever forgive me

1720
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,160
or that he would want anything to do with me.

1721
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,240
Still this man persisted and then we became friends.

1722
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,280
His name was Rick and we would walk the yard together.

1723
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,200
Little by little, he would share with me about his life

1724
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,920
and what he believed Jesus had done for him.

1725
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,440
He kept reminding me that no matter what a person did,

1726
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:16,440
Christ stood ready to forgive if that individual would be

1727
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:19,600
willing to turn from bad things that they were doing

1728
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,480
and put their faith and trust in Jesus Christ.

1729
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:26,480
And he did on the cross by dying for our sins.

1730
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:28,360
He gave me a Gideon's pocket testament

1731
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,040
and asked me to read Psalms.

1732
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,040
I did.

1733
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,600
Every night I would read them and it was at this time

1734
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,520
that the Lord was quietly melting my stone cold heart.

1735
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:37,360
And quote.

1736
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:38,560
Jesus, that's heavy.

1737
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,080
It's really heavy, right?

1738
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:41,440
Berkowitz has written many things

1739
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:43,560
about his spiritual experiences and growth.

1740
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,240
And though many have been published,

1741
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,760
he has never taken any royalties.

1742
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,560
He started a prison ministry and insists on going by the Son

1743
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,440
of Hope instead of his aforementioned name.

1744
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:55,880
Berkowitz has skipped or refused every opportunity

1745
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,440
to have his conviction appealed or overturned saying,

1746
01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:01,160
quote, in all honesty, I believe I deserve to be in prison

1747
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:02,440
for the rest of my life.

1748
01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:05,120
I have, with God's help, long ago come to terms

1749
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:09,200
with my situation and have accepted my punishments, end quote.

1750
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,960
In 2002, Berkowitz sued a previous lawyer

1751
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,120
who had actually sold the Son of Sam letters

1752
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,280
in the name of memorabilia.

1753
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:18,120
It was just fucking gross.

1754
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,080
That is so gross.

1755
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,200
Berkowitz stated he would only drop the suit

1756
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,800
if the profits made from the sales of the letters

1757
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,720
were given to the victim's families,

1758
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,200
to which the two came to an agreement out of court.

1759
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:31,840
Isn't that intense?

1760
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:33,920
It's like he's a different person.

1761
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,200
But routine, we always talk about routine.

1762
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:37,200
It's true.

1763
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,320
And who knows what kind of medication he might be onto.

1764
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:40,560
Yeah.

1765
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,320
Helpful medication, exactly.

1766
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,720
In 1993, Berkowitz made several claims

1767
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,320
that he did not work alone, but actually with a group

1768
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:48,720
of satanic assailants.

1769
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,320
I don't know if I believe that.

1770
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,760
Out of fear of risking the lives of friends and family,

1771
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:56,880
David kept the names of the supposed suspects to himself.

1772
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,120
The only two accomplices that Berkowitz ever named

1773
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,400
were John and Michael Carr.

1774
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,520
Have you heard about this?

1775
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,440
These accusations would never be confirmed or denied

1776
01:13:08,440 --> 01:13:12,800
by the two men, since both were already dead by this point.

1777
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,960
A year after David's arrest, John, whose middle name was

1778
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,760
Weed as well, he actually died in a shooting that

1779
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:22,120
was ruled a suicide, but only after a thorough investigation

1780
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,840
since the scene was so bizarre.

1781
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:26,720
I didn't go into the scene.

1782
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:31,480
Essentially, he is by himself, from what I can remember,

1783
01:13:31,480 --> 01:13:36,920
by himself in this specific place.

1784
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:38,160
It's out in the middle of nowhere.

1785
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:39,080
It's snowing.

1786
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,560
You could only get to this place if you drove there.

1787
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:45,920
He's by himself, just him, with a gun.

1788
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:47,360
But that's it.

1789
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:48,360
How did he get there?

1790
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:49,760
Exactly.

1791
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:51,920
Within a year of John's death, Michael

1792
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,920
would actually die in a car accident,

1793
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:58,120
where it was like he slammed into this single car accident.

1794
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,000
Very sus.

1795
01:13:59,000 --> 01:13:59,720
Very sus.

1796
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:01,160
Very sus.

1797
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,360
Both men were also very involved in the Church of Scientology

1798
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:05,640
at the time.

1799
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,720
And it has been speculated that this may be the clue

1800
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,400
in revealing the true story of the real sons of Sam.

1801
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:13,240
Wow.

1802
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,120
Ooh, I just got chills.

1803
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:18,240
David Berkowitz resides in Schwungham Correctional Facility,

1804
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:19,880
and he is 69 years old.

1805
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:20,520
He's still alive.

1806
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:21,080
He's still alive.

1807
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:22,680
Oh, damn.

1808
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:23,440
That's wild.

1809
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:24,680
Isn't that wild?

1810
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,800
And what about this actual Sam guy?

1811
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,600
Like, he had nothing to do with anything?

1812
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:30,480
I don't know.

1813
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:32,360
Clearly, his sons were kind of involved.

1814
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,360
The fact that John Wheaties.

1815
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,080
That's so bizarre.

1816
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,320
If you ever look up a picture of John Carr,

1817
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,880
he is a taller, thinner, blond man.

1818
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,880
Oh, and some of the suspects said that they thought.

1819
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:47,640
Like the composites.

1820
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,120
Some of the witnesses said that he.

1821
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:51,120
He looks like the composites.

1822
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,680
Kind of blond hair.

1823
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:53,760
Interesting.

1824
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,600
And that's why it always seemed to be like these different

1825
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,640
composites of different people.

1826
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:03,120
And that's what David was saying, that he was saying that it's

1827
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:04,760
not just him.

1828
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,760
So he later on, even after converting and everything,

1829
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:12,040
said that he did admit to killing three people.

1830
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:13,040
Not the original six.

1831
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:14,680
But he took the fall for everyone.

1832
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,120
Then, yeah.

1833
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,280
But could you imagine if you were totally brainwashed?

1834
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,160
It's like, for the great old good.

1835
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,960
And it was like the Satanic cult thing or something,

1836
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,600
where everybody had to take a turn shooting someone.

1837
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,200
I was going to say, but they all used the same gun.

1838
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,200
But they all used the same gun.

1839
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,600
So they're just passing the gun around.

1840
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:36,840
Essentially.

1841
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:38,240
That's interesting.

1842
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:39,440
I actually didn't know.

1843
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:40,880
I say this after like every case.

1844
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:42,840
I actually didn't know a lot about that case.

1845
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,280
I think that when people talk about Son of Sam,

1846
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,120
all that they say is like, yeah, the neighbor's dog told them

1847
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:50,120
to kill people.

1848
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:51,640
It's like, vague.

1849
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,080
Like the way that they say it.

1850
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,960
That's not exactly what happened.

1851
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,840
So it's cool to kind of hear like the whole story.

1852
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:00,920
And I mean, he's still alive.

1853
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:01,800
Shit.

1854
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:03,720
So I didn't include this in my notes,

1855
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:07,200
but I will read it verbatim from the Wikipedia page

1856
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:08,560
of Son of Sam.

1857
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,840
Nisa Moskowitz, who is Stacey's mother,

1858
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,960
who had previously not hidden her hatred for Birkowitz,

1859
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:18,280
wrote him a letter shortly before her own death in 2006

1860
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,840
for giving him for killing her daughter Stacey.

1861
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,080
Moskowitz had actually lost all of her children

1862
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:24,400
at very young ages.

1863
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,720
Jody was just age nine and a possible suicide

1864
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:28,560
and she lost her in 1968.

1865
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:29,560
Oh my God.

1866
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:34,640
Stacey, which was 77, and then Ricky, who was 37, and 99,

1867
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:35,920
and he was sick.

1868
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,120
She had no survivors except according to the New York

1869
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,400
Post, her daughter's murderer.

1870
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,240
And that's why she chose to forgive him.

1871
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:44,080
Yeah.

1872
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,840
That's intense.

1873
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:46,680
It's really sad.

1874
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:48,400
What a good woman though.

1875
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:49,240
Seriously.

1876
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:53,960
And there's tons of writings from David Birkowitz,

1877
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:55,560
mostly all that have been published

1878
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,800
are going to be nothing but spiritual things.

1879
01:16:58,800 --> 01:16:59,920
But it's really interesting.

1880
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:02,800
I don't think that we've ever really seen a case where

1881
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,280
I feel like somebody transitioned so thoroughly,

1882
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:07,280
you know what I mean?

1883
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:11,480
And this rehabilitation and stuff.

1884
01:17:11,480 --> 01:17:14,040
So I thought that was really interesting and I had no idea.

1885
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:15,040
That is really interesting.

1886
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:15,880
Well, thanks for bringing that.

1887
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:17,480
I thought you were going to do the Zodiac Killer.

1888
01:17:17,480 --> 01:17:18,280
That's who I thought.

1889
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:18,880
Oh, really?

1890
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:19,400
Yeah.

1891
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,600
And that's kind of funny that I mentioned that his picture

1892
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:24,440
was almost like Zodiac.

1893
01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:26,440
Or he was on a similar wavelength.

1894
01:17:26,440 --> 01:17:27,240
Yeah.

1895
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:28,720
The Zodiac would be interesting.

1896
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,800
Thank you guys for joining us.

1897
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,640
I was actually talking to a couple of listeners

1898
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,320
and they said that they really enjoyed the mental breakdowns

1899
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:37,120
and they were wondering what we weren't doing them.

1900
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,000
So we're definitely going to just throw a couple in there

1901
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:39,680
here now.

1902
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,680
I think we just wanted to really focus on some big cases

1903
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:43,960
and we've done just that.

1904
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,680
So I think we'll be having a couple mental breakdowns come

1905
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,080
out pretty soon.

1906
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,920
Of course, we're not going to stop the content with the cases

1907
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:52,080
and everything like that.

1908
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:55,360
But we did our handles in the beginning of the podcast.

1909
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,160
But definitely send us an email.

1910
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:58,400
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1911
01:17:58,400 --> 01:17:58,880
Follow us.

1912
01:17:58,880 --> 01:17:59,640
Sponsor us.

1913
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,600
But you can just go to our Patreon.

1914
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:03,680
I would like to get some local businesses for sure.

1915
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:06,040
Small businesses, independent businesses for sure.

1916
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,720
To, you know, we'll talk about it.

1917
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:09,800
Email us for sure.

1918
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:10,640
Yeah, absolutely.

1919
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:14,040
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1920
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:15,440
Go ahead and subscribe to their podcast.

1921
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:17,600
They're great guys and they do everything over Discord.

1922
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,080
So it's really cool that they're like super into what they do

1923
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:21,360
because they're able to do it from home

1924
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,080
and still kind of have a great time.

1925
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:24,160
They just shoot the shit.

1926
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:25,600
But it's also really fun to listen to.

1927
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:26,480
It's a lot of fun.

1928
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:27,920
I love listening to their opinions

1929
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,240
because they crack me up.

1930
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,840
Well, that is all we have for you guys today.

1931
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,000
All right.

1932
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:35,880
Bye.

1933
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:36,320
Love you.

1934
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:36,820
Bye.

1935
01:18:36,820 --> 01:18:37,320
Love you.

1936
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:37,820
Bye.

1937
01:18:37,820 --> 01:19:06,200
Ooh woo.