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Hello! Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer. I'm Koelle and I'm Kenna.
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I'm excited! I want to know who it is. Who it is? Or who it is?

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Or where it is? What? That's such a time traveler thing to say.

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Okay, buckle in folks. It's going to be a lengthy one. Today we're going to be talking about the Cecil Hotel in LA.

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Oh my god, I definitely have heard of podcasts on this story.

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The Cecil Hotel was originally built in 1924 by William H. Hanner, Charles L. Dix, and Robert H. Shops.

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So it was built in the heart of downtown Los Angeles on May between 6th and 7th.

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At the time it cost over $1 million to make, but today it will be the equivalent because I know you like exchange rates.

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It would be $21 million today. So it was built with 700 rooms.

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So 300 of them were rooms that were running at about $1.50. But these didn't have a bathroom inside of it.

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So it's kind of like that hotel that we stayed at in New York. Like ours had a bathroom inside of it, but they have like those communal bathrooms in the hallways.

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So those were running for $1.50. Then the next set of rooms, it was about $200 of them, and they went for $2 with one private toilet in the room.

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And then of course another $200 would be $250 with a full bathroom.

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So the Cecil Hotel would open on December 20th of 1924 and would be advertised as a 14 story.

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I thought this was interesting because on the flyer it says quote, absolutely fireproof, which I thought was really interesting.

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So I'm wondering if it was like one of the first hotels that actually had like steel and concrete and stuff, you know what I mean?

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Instead of it just being wood or something.

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So the Cecil Hotel was actually built keeping in mind for like travelers and business people.

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This is also around the time when the railroad work was a really big thing like industrialism.

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So a lot of jobs were available in a lot of the major cities that were developing.

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So a lot of people were traveling for work and whatnot.

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So hotels around this time were popping up all over the place.

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So you can imagine that this gave way for a lot of employment opportunities.

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The hotel was absolutely gorgeous.

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The lobby was made almost completely out of marble.

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The windows were stained glass and there were like lush palm trees in like every corner and tons of alabaster statuaries everywhere.

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So it was just really like luxurious hotel.

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It was some fancy shit.

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Sounds like the orgyle.

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Yeah.

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Unfortunately, just a few years later, the US would experience the biggest economic fallout of its history, which was the Great Depression.

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It lasted from 1929 to 1939.

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And just to give everyone an idea of how economically devastating this was, we're all sort of old enough to know,

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or most of us are old enough to know, the Great Recession.

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That was from 2008 to 2009.

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We saw a decrease in the market value by 1% in that year, 08 to 09.

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The Great Depression saw it drop of 15%.

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Oh my gosh.

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It gives you an idea of how absolutely devastating this was to our system.

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So international trade was actually cut off by 50% and the US unemployment rate rose 23%.

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So on top of the financial fallout working against the Cecil Hotel, it was also placed next to Skid Row.

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So these are some facts about Skid Row.

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If nobody knows what that is or the history behind it.

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Los Angeles was actually the end of the Transcontinental Railway line in 1876.

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Many times displaced veterans and transient people would hop on the trains and get from state to state,

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but oftentimes they would end their travels at the end of the line, which was LA.

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And there were also many work opportunities at the time, like we talked about earlier.

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However, it was really difficult to house such an influx of people.

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A lot of the time, men would congregate in a specific area called Hobo Corner at the end of an area called Hell's Half Acre.

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Some of them could afford hotel rooms, but most would just stay on the street and they would just wait for word of new work around the area.

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Since a lot of these men were on the streets, they would choose to spend a lot of their time in and out of bars and other establishments that were open just to get out from the elements.

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After about 30 years of this going on, communities started to somewhat thrive on their own.

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There were people that started to become infamous within these communities like preachers, teachers, and they even began to govern themselves.

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So it was like a small community.

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Society means rules.

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Yeah, of course.

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So not everything was capiche, though.

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Not capiche.

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Capiche.

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Not everything was all good, though.

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Men were often arrested for various things like public drunkenness and decency or violence.

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Fights would break out.

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They would be arrested and then released back onto the streets where they came from, which was around Skid Row area.

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Other than this, there was nothing really done to correct the overpopulation issue.

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I think it's because the city knew that they were being hired for work and usually city work.

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Either way, it was like we have to deal with these people because they're also building our stuff.

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They were really thought of as cheap labor.

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So in the early 1900s, street lights had begun to be installed and a lot of petitions from local residents were to essentially push the boundary of where these homeless people or transient people could be.

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So essentially, if there was any street lights, essentially you couldn't be around that area because it was a nice enough area.

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So you're not allowed to see in the dark?

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I guess not.

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This is our light.

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So by the 1920s, the line between the transient community and the rest of LA rusted right on Skid Row.

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So if you look at Skid Row, it's actually like a rhombus kind of.

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So it's not actually like when you're on Skid Row, it's like when you're in Skid Row.

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So the Cecil actually sits on the border of Skid Row.

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So let's fast forward again during the Great Depression.

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So this went back through the history of Skid Row.

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Now we're going back to the Great Depression.

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Because of the state of everything in the whole country was in dire straits, hotels in the local area were actually forced to open their doors to provide low income options for people to be housed.

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So when Skid Row was, because Skid Row is so close, the hotel's clientele changed dramatically within just a few years of it being open.

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So drugs, sex workers and violence took a hold of the hotel very quickly.

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And it began to gain like a seedy reputation.

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So the Cecil Hotel had all of the makings for this negativity and almost like in the word of Zach Bagan sits up portal to hell.

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So I want to go ahead and give a very broad content warning.

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We're going to be talking about all throughout this episode.

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We're going to be talking about mostly self-harms, suicide, things like that.

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So if anybody is sensitive to those kinds of things, I was thinking about putting a timestamp on it.

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But let's be honest, it's pretty much going to be the entire podcast.

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So again, if somebody is sensitive to that, or at any time you just want to fast forward, I'm going to be going through quickly, be going through the years that were to follow after the Great Depression and all that with the Cecil Hotel.

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So we're going to talk about the history of the Cecil, as it pertains to people.

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The first known recorded death at the Cecil Hotel was a 52 year old man.

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His name was Percy Ormond Cook.

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Percy had been going through marital issues and his wife had left with her child a few months before.

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January 22nd, 1927, Percy took his own life by a self-inflicted gunshot to the head.

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The man left a note detailing that he, in an attempt to buy happiness, had spent nearly $40,000.

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Yeah, could you imagine how much money he had in the 20s?

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Do the math.

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I just looked up the conversion rate for that, it's $682,000.

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That's ridiculous.

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So much money and this is just a few months.

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So his wife and his child had left.

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He was a successful real estate agent and he was originally from Rhode Island.

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But I guess, I don't know what marital problems they had, but wife and baby left and in an effort to buy happiness, he spent that much money in just a few months.

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She's the weasel.

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I've never even seen that much money.

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I've never even seen 40,000.

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Percy was transported to the hospital where he later succumbed to his injuries.

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How he ended up at the Cecil is kind of unknown.

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Like I said, he had paperwork from Rhode Island, so they knew he was from Rhode Island.

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But maybe he just wanted to get as far away from the situation as possible, because he was in Rhode Island and this is LA.

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Another few years later, a man checked into a hotel room by the name of James Willis, hailing from Chicago.

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This man would stay just one week before being found dead in his hotel room by a maid on November 19th, 1931.

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Mystery surrounds his death, as his name was in fact not James Willis, but 46-year-old W.K. Norton.

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And it seemed that he had poisoned himself as poison capsules were found in his...capsules.

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Poison capsules were found in his vest pocket.

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This is unusual given that it's a male individual and it statistically less likely that a man would poison himself, right?

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So, that was interesting.

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Sometime in September of 1934, a 25-year-old man named Benjamin Dodditch checked into the Cecil.

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Just a few short hours after checking in, Benjamin shot himself in his hotel room.

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He was found by a maid after investigating where the gunfire had come from.

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Benjamin did not leave a note.

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Just a few hours.

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Like, he checked in with the intent of doing that.

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Oh, I see.

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You know what I mean?

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I thought it was like, the hotel made him.

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Maybe.

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That's kind of what we're talking about.

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Hey, y'all, it's Halloween, okay?

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On July 26, 1937, former Army Medical Corps officer Sergeant Louise D. Borden checked into the Cecil.

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The sergeant had been in poor health for some time and he had decided that he did not want to suffer any longer.

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Sergeant Borden was found in his hotel room with a box of razors next to his body.

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He had slit his own throat in an effort to make it a quick death to which it was.

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There were tons of fair well-known notes thrown about the hotel room, but most notably one that stated, quote,

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Ms. Edna Hassener of PO Box 664, Edmunds, Washington, to be my sole beneficiary of whatever little I leave, end quote.

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I just can't get past the fact that he slit his own throat. That is brutal.

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That's brutal.

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How would your, like, I feel like your body wouldn't allow you to do that.

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Don't really have a box of razors.

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Like, multiple choices.

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How many times are you going to do it?

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I don't know.

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It's very, very brutal.

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In March of 1938, Grace E. Margo, age 25, would fall nine stories to her death.

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Her body being tangled up in phone lines on her way down.

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It is unclear whether this was intentional or an accident at that point.

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They don't know.

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In January of 1939, Roy Thomas, a 35-year-old Marine firefighter, jumped from the 14th floor, landing on a nearby building.

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He did not leave a note or a reason as to why he decided to commit suicide.

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His family was in Port Arthur, Texas, and it was, the family was notified on the next day.

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Damn.

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On May 27, 1939, Edwin Neblett checked into the Cecil Hotel.

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Three days later, he was found in his room after ingesting poison capsules.

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Like, where are they getting these poison capsules from, huh?

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So now it's like multiple deaths that have been similar.

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There's now two gunshots to the inflicted, self-inflicted.

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There is now two people that have jumped to their deaths, and now there's been two poisonings.

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What the hell?

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He was a Navy man, Edwin was.

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He was a Navy man who had served on the USS Wright.

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One note was addressed to Satin Island, New York.

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He was 34 years old.

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See, what's really interesting too is that a lot of people are like from Chicago, or like,

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New York, not from LA.

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In January of 1940, a woman checked into the hotel underneath the name Evelyn Brent.

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A few days later, on January 10th, the woman was found after ingesting poison.

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Later identified as Dorothy Seeger, she was a schoolteacher.

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She would not recover from the poisoning and pass on the 12th.

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How come all these people have aliases too?

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That's strange to me too.

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They're checking in under different names.

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And obviously they're not the only people checking in.

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There's been people in and out of the hotel this entire time that don't have this issue.

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They're not coming into this, you know, suicide thing.

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It's not like every person that walks through the door is doing this.

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But it's also very interesting.

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Do you think it's similar to that, like, that forest in Japan where, like, people go to kill themselves?

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Like, do you think it's like a...

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becoming one of those things where people are like, okay, if you want to kill yourself, you go to the Cecil?

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Yeah, and I think also with the name change thing, it's probably because they didn't want to shame their family.

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So, like, if it was written in the paper, it would be written in the paper as this person.

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They're registered under that.

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And suicide was not something you did, you know.

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It's not as...

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It was shameful.

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Talked about as it is today.

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Like, there was no awareness about it.

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And, you know, not only that, but it goes against God and the Bible and all this stuff.

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And, like, that could be a shameful thing for a family to experience.

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I guess with the name change.

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Dorothy Jean Purcell was 19 years old when she checked into the hotel with her boyfriend, Ben Levin.

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Ben was a hardworking man.

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He was a shoe salesman.

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So hardworking.

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I don't know.

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He could have gone door to door.

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But he worked a lot of hours.

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One evening when the couple was sleeping, Dorothy awoke with painful stomach cramps.

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Riding in pain, she didn't want to wake up her boyfriend.

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So she went to the shared bathrooms in the hallway.

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There, Dorothy noticed that she was bleeding and, on the other hand, she was pregnant.

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So there in the showers, she gave birth to a baby boy.

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Dorothy would later testify that she believed that the child was deceased at the time of birth.

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Although an Emmy would testify for the prosecution, stating that the baby was in fact alive when Dorothy decided to do what she did next.

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I think I know what happens.

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She found a window from the 13th floor.

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Dorothy would throw her newborn from the window to its death.

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Not what I thought was gonna happen.

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Landing on a nearby roof.

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Oh my god.

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For some reason, I thought that she put it in one of the walls or something.

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What?

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Maybe that was a movie.

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She hid it in the pillowcase.

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That's terrible.

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Yeah, isn't that awful?

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Oh my gosh.

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So how heinous.

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Dorothy and I, kind of, testified that they believed that Dorothy was dealing with some kind of postpartum psychosis.

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And she would be found not guilty by reason of insanity.

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Where was the boyfriend?

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Asleep.

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She didn't want to wake up her boyfriend.

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That's why she was like, oh, he's a hard-working guy.

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I don't know, maybe he got mad at her in the past for waking him up.

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She had a baby in the bathtub and then proceeded to throw it out the window all the while he was asleep.

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In the showers.

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In the showers, but yeah.

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Oh, you're right, because they didn't have the bathroom in the room.

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That makes sense.

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Okay, I was like, what?

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Yeah, she didn't want to wake him up, so she was like, and she was writhing in pain, so

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she was like, maybe a hot shower or something.

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She noticed that she was bleeding and then she gave birth to a baby in the hallway bathroom.

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That is so weird.

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Like, that's just an odd story.

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That's awful.

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Isn't that terrible?

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She was just like, oh no.

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Oh my gosh.

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Like, can't have this.

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But like, that's what I'm saying.

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Like, that's why I think the psychiatrist found her to be insane at the time of the event.

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Because, like, why wouldn't you go to your boyfriend and be like, I didn't have a baby.

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Why wouldn't you just leave the baby in the bathroom someone else could have found him?

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It's true.

256
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No, she threw that baby out of a window.

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That is so sick.

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In November, 1947, a man by the name of Robert Smith jumped to his death from the seventh floor.

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He was 35 years old.

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Helen Gurney checked into the hotel around the third week of October in 1954.

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But by the 22nd, she would throw herself from the seventh-story hotel room, landing on the Cecil Hotel's marquee sign.

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She had registered under the name Margaret Brown, but police later identified her as Helen Gurney by the items that they found in her purse.

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One bystander was actually taken to the hospital, not because he was injured, but the man was so shocked by what he saw he needed psychiatric evaluations.

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I don't fucking blame him.

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It's incredible.

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I can't even imagine being in that situation, like being next to someone, like when that happens around you.

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But I've heard it is...

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It's traumatizing.

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It's frightening.

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That's horrible.

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Yeah, this was really awful because a lot of people had began to gather outside.

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They said that there was up to like 100-150 people that were watching because they had to bring in a fire truck to get her off.

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So she was just out there.

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Oh my god, that's so sick.

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It's heartbreaking.

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So I've noticed it's interesting that the people that have been jumping to their deaths have all been on different floors.

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It seems like there's only been two off of the seventh floor, but every other one are different.

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So if this is some sort of like, whatever, it's not really like located in one spot.

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It's always on the 13th floor or the fourth floor or whatever.

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The Cecil has no MO other than the poisoning and the jumping.

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Well then we have shootings and throat splitting as well, so that's not the same.

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Julia Francis Moore was a woman who traveled from St. Louis to LA for unknown reasons.

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On February 11th, 1962, she left from the eighth floor and landed on the second floor roof.

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She had 59 cents in her purse, but a bank book suggested that she had close to $2,000 in her bank.

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So maybe not financial issues.

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Yeah.

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She left no note and the police gave this information to the press hoping that the woman's relatives would eventually reach out to find her.

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No follow-up on whether or not the family was ever actually located.

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Wow.

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October 12th of 1962, Pauline Aten was staying at the Cecil when her estranged husband came to meet her in the room to discuss the state of their relationship.

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The conversation did not go well and when her husband Dewey left the room in anger, Pauline jumped from her ninth-story room.

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However, she would accidentally claim the life of George Giannini when she fell on top of the man killing him instantly.

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Killing the both of them instantly.

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Not even kidding.

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Oh my gosh.

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Isn't that horrible?

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Like what terrible luck.

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Literally.

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Literally.

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That is like...

301
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I don't even know what to say.

302
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That's wild.

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The police believed that they both had left from the building but when it was discovered that George still had his shoes on which is indicative of somebody jumping,

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it's usually they fly off or on impact they come off.

305
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Oh.

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And his hands were actually still tucked into his pockets.

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That's when they knew that he was just an innocent bystander.

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Oh my gosh, he was just a bystander?

309
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Yeah.

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I was thinking that you were trying to say that people always take their shoes off before they jump to their death.

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Sounds like a why.

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Superstition.

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Yeah.

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He was, it was literally wrong place, wrong time.

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That's awful.

316
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And like, how, like what are the odds of that?

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That's like a person sized like spot that you have to stand in.

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It was just like the perfect size.

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It was like tiny.

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Like I'm sure she was smaller than him.

321
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Oh my gosh.

322
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So Pigeon Goldie Osgood, her name was Goldie Osgood but she went by Pigeon.

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She was known throughout the community as a very kind woman.

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She gained her nickname because every day she would walk down six to get to Pershing Square and feed the birds.

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Notably wearing her favorite baseball hat, which was a daughter's hat.

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The 65 year old woman had lived at the Cecil for close to six years and had never caused problems.

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On Thursday, June 4th, 1964, friends came over to Goldie's place to chat and just visit.

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Her friends left for the evening, however, just moments later, a door-to-door phone book salesman would find Goldie's door ajar.

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When he pushed open the door, he saw the figure laying face down in a pool of blood and it was Goldie.

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She had been beaten, raped, stabbed, um, to death.

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Oh my gosh.

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Police recognized the MO from two other murder scenes of women who were known to feed birds in the park nearby.

333
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So these had occurred in the last two weeks or so.

334
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Yeah.

335
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Um, yeah.

336
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So that's not a suicide?

337
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No, it's not.

338
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It's our first murder.

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After Goldie's body was found, Jock Elinger was seen walking through Pershing Square covered in blood.

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Police arrested him for the murder of Goldie Osgood.

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However, after intense interviews and interrogations, Jock Elinger would be released.

342
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Goldie's murder would never be solved.

343
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The end.

344
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What?

345
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That's the end of that.

346
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Yeah.

347
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So who- why was this guy covered in blood?

348
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I don't know.

349
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They didn't specify that.

350
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I tried to Google that.

351
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Interesting.

352
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And maybe that's something that's, uh, typical of Skid Row, is for people to walk around with like, bloody clothes.

353
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Honestly, I don't doubt that.

354
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I don't doubt that either.

355
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Especially with like, how hard labor was like, back in the day.

356
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Like, I was actually listening to an episode of a podcast about, uh, Jack the Ripper recently.

357
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And the part of London that he was like, prevalent in.

358
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And that part of London was like, really, really bad, like really poor.

359
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And there was frequently men walking around covered in blood because they would either get in like, fights or there are butchers and they had like, animal blood on them.

360
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And it was like, not uncommon to see people walking around, um, like that.

361
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It's really interesting, yeah.

362
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Which is probably why he got away with what he got away with, and he was never found.

363
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Right.

364
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And he was like, oh no, just the local bircher.

365
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Yeah, honestly.

366
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Yeah.

367
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They didn't know how right they were.

368
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Dexter.

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A woman fell to her death, December 20th, 1975.

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The woman who checked in was under the name of Alison Lowell, but had no identifying items on her.

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She was described as having brown hair, scars on her wrists, wearing a blue sweater, blue pants, blue coat, black shoes, and a bus ticket in her pocket stamped for December 15th, 1975 from Bakersville, California.

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Her identity has never been found.

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Damn.

374
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That's crazy, right?

375
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On September 1st, 1992.

376
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What?

377
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Yeah.

378
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It's been like, 70 years.

379
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A man, well not since the last one, 75 to 92.

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Oh, since the beginning of the-

381
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Oh yeah.

382
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So these are very far in between.

383
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Yeah.

384
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They're not like every other week.

385
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Yeah.

386
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There's like a murder or whatever.

387
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I see.

388
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It's just the overall history of it.

389
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So on September 1st, 1992, a young man about 20 to 30 years old was found behind the hotel in an alleyway.

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Given the trauma to his body, he had either jumped or had fallen to his death.

391
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The boy has never been positively identified.

392
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Oh my gosh.

393
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So at this point, we're going to take a break from all this Cecil action happening, okay?

394
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We're going to switch gears because again, after all, this is a true crime podcast, and

395
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we have yet to talk about a serial killer.

396
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Let's talk about a serial killer.

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All right, let's do it.

398
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All right.

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Ricardo Leiva Muñoz Ramirez, or Richard Ramirez.

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No.

401
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Yeah.

402
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Was born February 29th, 1960.

403
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You son of a bitch.

404
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You made me think that we were doing a fucking spooky episode about this hotel.

405
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I didn't even know we were going to be talking about like a serial killer, and now I'm like, let's go.

406
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So he's a leap year baby.

407
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That's kind of unique to be born on February 29th.

408
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Yeah.

409
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I mean, he's not cool.

410
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So.

411
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He was actually born in El Paso, Texas.

412
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He's a Texan.

413
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Yeah.

414
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I wouldn't give him that much credit.

415
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His parents were Julian and Mercedes Ramirez.

416
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He was the youngest of five.

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His father was an established man back in Mexico where he was actually a police officer.

418
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Julian was.

419
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However, it was really hard for him to find work in the States, and eventually he settled

420
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in the railroad business, which I thought was kind of interesting.

421
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Richard's father was actually an alcoholic. He would verbally and sometimes physically abuse the wife and children.

422
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Oh, man.

423
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So Richard actually started drinking and smoking weed by age 10.

424
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Richard was extremely close to his cousin Miguel, who he called Mike.

425
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Mike was a decorated green beret, and while serving in the Vietnam War, Mike had committed tons of like atrocities that Richard found fascinating.

426
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Like he would love to listen to Mike talk about all these brutalities that this guy had done, right?

427
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In fact, when Richard was 12, Mike showed him photographs of women that he had beaten, raped, murdered, and even decapitated.

428
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,000
What?

429
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,000
When he was 12.

430
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At 12?

431
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At 12.

432
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That is absolutely ridiculous.

433
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This is a complete side note, but I meant to say it earlier, and I just forgot.

434
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When we did the BTK episode and I was talking about how he was in the Air Force base, I kept saying Air Force base, and I know that it's Air Force base,

435
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and I was like super self-conscious about that when I was editing, so I want to make sure everyone knows.

436
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I know it's Air Force base, not Air Force base, but I just kept saying it wrong for some reason.

437
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I think a lot of the times I feel like I'm pronouncing something correctly, but it's with the headsets, and then the like slight echo,

438
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and then listening to us, and then everything else.

439
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Sometimes I feel like I don't, like when I'm listening back, I definitely pronounce things strange, but it's just because...

440
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It's like Tito's and Vodka.

441
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You don't realize you're saying something wrong because it sounds right.

442
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I want to Tito's and Vodka.

443
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Anyway, back to the story.

444
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That was just like...

445
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That's wild, though.

446
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At 12 years old, that's absolutely terrifying, and I would go so far as to say that I kind of maybe blamed this Mike guy.

447
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Maybe blamed this Mike guy for Richard's future.

448
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For cultivating all that?

449
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Yeah, Richard would say, thinking back about that moment, he said that the images excited him and didn't repulse him.

450
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He was really fascinated by it.

451
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Awesome.

452
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At 12.

453
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So Mike would tell Richard stories of sneaking in and out of camps or villages in the night to commit these acts, like these horrible acts.

454
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To like, make people, like, keep people on their toes, and like, surprise, doesn't it sound familiar a little bit?

455
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If anybody knows a little bit about Richard Ramirez.

456
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Yeah.

457
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Sounds a little familiar.

458
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He's like, here's how to get away with this.

459
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He's just giving you all the tools.

460
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Sneaking in there, he's like, just to keep...

461
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:55,000
I mean, his intent was either to rape the women, murder the men, whatever it was.

462
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,000
Yeah.

463
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,000
I feel like a lot of people got away with a lot of shit in Vietnam.

464
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,000
That's awful.

465
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,000
So Richard, of course, at this time is still living at home.

466
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,000
He's 12, 13 years old, but he became increasingly angered by his father's behavior, of course.

467
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:14,000
Oftentimes, he would escape the house and sleep in a nearby cemetery just to escape.

468
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,000
That's terrible.

469
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000
But a little creepy.

470
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000
At 13.

471
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:27,000
On May 4th, 1973, Mike shot and killed his wife in front of Richard during an argument, a domestic dispute.

472
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,000
What?

473
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,000
He's like, hey Richard, watch this.

474
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,000
Like, I don't know if it was like, watch this.

475
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,000
I think it was just...

476
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,000
He like, didn't fucking care.

477
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,000
He didn't care who was there, he was gonna kill his wife.

478
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,000
Yeah.

479
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,000
Oh my god.

480
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,000
Richard is 13.

481
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,000
How did I not know this?

482
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,000
It's incredible.

483
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:53,000
Mike would actually be found not guilty by reason of insanity, given his obvious PTSD.

484
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,000
The guy has PTSD.

485
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,000
Like, come on.

486
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,000
The guy has PTSD.

487
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,000
He caused his own PTSD by doing that heinous shit over in Vietnam.

488
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:04,000
Well, if you're like, exposed to something like that over and over again, like he's exposing Richard.

489
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Like he's saying...

490
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,000
This is okay.

491
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,000
Like this guy's doing it, like everything.

492
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,000
It's fine.

493
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,000
Like this is what is okay to do.

494
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,000
Mike is so desensitized to it because of all the things that he probably witnessed and

495
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,000
saw and then eventually participated in.

496
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,000
That's like what he was experiencing.

497
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,000
Like you're gonna be the odd man out.

498
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,000
I don't know if you've ever seen what was a full metal jacket.

499
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,000
Yeah, I have.

500
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,000
Like full metal jacket, right?

501
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,000
Isn't that the one where he's like, he asked that guy to shoot that girl or whatever and

502
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,000
he wasn't gonna do it.

503
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,000
I think so, yeah.

504
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000
So, stuff like that.

505
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,000
And I think platoon was like that too.

506
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,000
But yeah, it's like you're the odd person out.

507
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,500
If you don't participate, then it becomes a part of that culture, like the culture of

508
00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:50,000
the men that you're serving with.

509
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,000
So anyways, like I said, it's kind of that same, what is that like the abuse pattern?

510
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,000
Well, just the cycle of abuse, right?

511
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:03,000
It's like you're abused by somebody and then you tend to abuse somebody else.

512
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,000
So it's kind of like that, but just with highlighted to capitate.

513
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,000
Yeah, like heightened.

514
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,000
So actually Mike would be admitted into the Texas State Mental Hospital.

515
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:20,000
So that's where he was after he was let off for murdering his wife in front of a 13 year old.

516
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:25,000
He should have at least gotten, well, I guess if it's reason of insanity then he wouldn't

517
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,000
be convicted for anything, but at least child endangerment.

518
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,000
So after the shooting, Richard went to live with his sister Ruth and her husband, Roberto.

519
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,000
Roberto turned out to be a total fucking creep.

520
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,000
Oh, great.

521
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,000
It's okay.

522
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,000
It's not nice.

523
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,000
He was actually an avid peeping Tom.

524
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,000
Doesn't help the case.

525
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,000
That's like the lamest crime to ever be accused of.

526
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000
That's not true.

527
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000
That's like, that's creepy.

528
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,000
It's terrifying.

529
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,000
I'm just saying like.

530
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,000
They're saying it's so 1950s.

531
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,000
It's so childish.

532
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000
Childish.

533
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,000
Yeah.

534
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,000
Childish.

535
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,000
Like.

536
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,000
Oh, oh, oh, oh.

537
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,000
Sweet.

538
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,000
Yeah.

539
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,000
Oh, oh, oh.

540
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,000
Sorry.

541
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,000
Got an ankle.

542
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,000
Um, he would actually take Richard sometimes on these little walkabouts.

543
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,000
So.

544
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,000
Panier.

545
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,000
Yep.

546
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,000
So Dennis Panierater.

547
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,000
It's so funny.

548
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,000
I didn't even realize that that was like a pun until I edited the episode.

549
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,000
I was like, oh my God, that was so much funnier than I like responded.

550
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,000
I figured because you only went, haha.

551
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,000
Like, so if anybody has listened to the BTK episode yet or will probably by this point.

552
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,000
Yeah.

553
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,000
When I say that line, just I'm sure you left your reaction in there.

554
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,000
Oh, I did.

555
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,000
For sure.

556
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,000
You're just, haha.

557
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,000
Yeah.

558
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,000
I was like, oh, haha.

559
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,000
Oh, haha.

560
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,000
Anyway.

561
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,000
No, I definitely did not get that enough credit.

562
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,000
That was hilarious.

563
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,000
Thanks.

564
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,000
I'm kind of funny.

565
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:52,000
Anyway, so Richard and Roberto, they would walk around peeping Tommy things or whatever.

566
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000
And peeping Tommy peeping Tommy.

567
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,000
It's a verb.

568
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,000
It's a peeping Tommy.

569
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,000
Peep Tommy.

570
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,000
Peep Tommy.

571
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,000
They would walk around peep Tommy.

572
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:08,000
Anyway, I don't know what would be the verb of that.

573
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,000
Peeping.

574
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,000
Oh, okay.

575
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,000
So they'd walk around the neighborhood peeping.

576
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,000
It sounds peeping.

577
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,000
If you say peeping, that doesn't really.

578
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,000
Yeah, that sounds bad.

579
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,000
You could just be peering, not necessarily peeping.

580
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,000
That's true.

581
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Tommy.

582
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,000
So coinciding with this, Richard and Roberto would bond over their use of LSD.

583
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,000
How old is Richard?

584
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,000
14.

585
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,000
No.

586
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,000
He's 14 and he's abusing LSD with his smuggle.

587
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,000
So he's melting his brain that's not even fully developed yet.

588
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:46,000
By the time 1977 rolled around, Mike was released from the mental hospital and began to join

589
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,000
the two on their walks around the neighborhood, spying on unsuspecting women.

590
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,000
What a great couple of guys.

591
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Just real standup dude.

592
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000
Honorable as fuck trio.

593
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,000
So the more that Richard's LSD usage became more and more severe, he began to read things

594
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000
about Satanism and the occult.

595
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,000
So he was just like, Satan is the best.

596
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,000
I'm Satanist.

597
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,000
Okay.

598
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:14,000
Richard's violent tendencies began to grow and while still in high school, he began

599
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000
working at a local hotel.

600
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:23,000
Richard would use this key cards to gain access to travelers rooms and rob them in the night,

601
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:29,000
which is awful, but kind of a funny image in my head that he's using the key cards and

602
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,000
it's like dark as fuck and he's just crawling on the ground and stealing things from people

603
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,000
and then crawling out.

604
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,000
It's literally like that episode of SpongeBob where they go on a panty raid.

605
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,000
I'm telling you.

606
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,000
They go on a panty raid in SpongeBob.

607
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,000
In SpongeBob.

608
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,000
They still miss his puffs underwear in one episode.

609
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,000
Can you believe that shit?

610
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,000
No.

611
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,000
The 90s.

612
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,000
That's a cream of Richard Ramirez.

613
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:57,000
Well, it's interesting because of the connection that Mike would make with, like he was making

614
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,000
with Mike's experiences like where he would like sneak into the villages or camps.

615
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,000
Isn't that creepy?

616
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,000
So that's what it starts.

617
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,000
So he's not original at all.

618
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,000
No, he's not OG.

619
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,000
He learned this.

620
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,000
So his crimes began to escalate pretty quickly working here at this hotel.

621
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:21,000
He had actually inappropriately touched two children in an elevator, but it was never reported

622
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,000
by the children.

623
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,000
What the fuck?

624
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,000
He just admitted to it like much later.

625
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,000
On one occasion, he tried to rape a woman while she slept.

626
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,000
Her husband entered the room and found Richard on top of her.

627
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,000
The husband beat Richard violently at the scene, LOL.

628
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:43,000
The couple would actually drop charges, however, because they weren't from El Paso.

629
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,000
They were just, they were travelers.

630
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,000
They didn't live here.

631
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000
They did not want to come back to the state just to confront this fucker.

632
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,000
I don't blame them.

633
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,000
Yeah, I don't either.

634
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,000
As long as, especially since he didn't like succeed in anything that he was really doing.

635
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,000
True.

636
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,000
Of course, he was fired from his drop.

637
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,000
Was he?

638
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,000
Oh, was he?

639
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,000
Great.

640
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,000
So that was all throughout high school, okay?

641
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,000
So Richard dropped out of high school in the ninth grade.

642
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,000
Actually, he wasn't all in high school.

643
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,000
He was only like 15 at this point?

644
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,000
Ew.

645
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:16,000
It wouldn't be until age 22 that he would actually move to California permanently.

646
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,000
At this time, Richard began using cocaine regularly.

647
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,000
He would burglarize homes and apartments to support his habit.

648
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:29,000
His first known victim, meaning murder victim, was a nine-year-old girl.

649
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,000
What?

650
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
She was lured into a basement away from her brother.

651
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000
They were walking down the street.

652
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,000
Lured into the basement probably like, I got candy or something.

653
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,000
Or it was something like she was looking for her dog or looking for something.

654
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,000
And he was like, oh, it's down here.

655
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Just follow me.

656
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,000
Yeah.

657
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:51,000
Took her into the basement and then she was actually assaulted before he stabbed her to death.

658
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000
Oh my god.

659
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,000
With a pocket knife.

660
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,000
Oh my god.

661
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,000
Which is awful.

662
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,000
Which is brutal.

663
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:03,000
But this would be his first victim in a one-year-long spree.

664
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,000
One year.

665
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,000
Oh my god.

666
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000
So we're going to go over the next year, y'all.

667
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Damn.

668
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,000
His next victim was 73-year-old Jeannie Venkow.

669
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,000
She was found stabbed to death in her apartment.

670
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,000
A fingerprint was actually left behind on the window that Richard used to access the apartment.

671
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,000
Fucking dumbass.

672
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,000
So this was June of 1984.

673
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,000
That one was.

674
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:32,000
In March of 1985, so almost a year, Ramirez followed 22-year-old Maria Hernandez into her

675
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000
garage as she parked her car.

676
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,000
Ramirez fired a 22-it Maria, striking her in the face.

677
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,000
Oh my god.

678
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000
However, Maria did not die.

679
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,000
When she had lifted her hands to defend herself, the bullet actually ricocheted off of her

680
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000
car keys and it saved her life.

681
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Oh my god.

682
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,000
Although she was hit by the bullet.

683
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:57,000
She laid there and she played dead in the garage and Ramirez walked past her to access the home.

684
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:02,000
Maria's roommate, Dale Okazaki, had actually heard the shot in the garage and went to investigate.

685
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,000
And when she came around the corner into the kitchen area, she saw Ramirez entering the

686
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,000
residence.

687
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,000
So she ducked behind a countertop in the kitchen so she could remain out of sight.

688
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,000
So she stayed there for a while and she didn't really hear anything.

689
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,000
So Dale decided to peek up over the countertop to see if Richard was still in the kitchen.

690
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,000
When she lifted her head, Ramirez had already taken aim, shooting Dale into the forehead

691
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,000
and she died instantly.

692
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,000
Isn't that like the creepiest fucking scenario you've ever heard?

693
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000
He was like, so quiet.

694
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,000
And he literally just stood there and waited for her to look and he was right.

695
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000
That is so fucking scary.

696
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Isn't that terrifying?

697
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,000
Like he waited.

698
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,000
He had all the time in the world.

699
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,000
He didn't care.

700
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000
That is so fucking scary.

701
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,000
Oh my gosh.

702
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,000
It's terrifying.

703
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,000
I can't get that out of my head.

704
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,000
Yeah.

705
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000
Like imagine that.

706
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,000
You think he's gone because it's so quiet and you just peek your head up and then you're

707
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,000
just gone.

708
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,000
Like lights the fuck out.

709
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,500
After ransacking the house and fleeing the scene, Ramirez happened upon 30 year old Sai

710
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:07,000
Lian Wu waiting at a stoplight.

711
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,000
He pulled her from her car, shot her twice and then fled the scene.

712
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:18,000
Pulled her from her car, shot her twice and then fled the scene.

713
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,000
On foot.

714
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,000
Idiot.

715
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,000
Like why wouldn't he just take her car?

716
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,000
Yeah, what the fuck?

717
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,240
Well do you think that the whole point of pulling her out of her car and then like shooting

718
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:30,000
her is to steal the car but no he just ran?

719
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,000
Like there's no point.

720
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,000
He just wanted a killer.

721
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,000
He just wanted a killer.

722
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,000
What the fuck?

723
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Sai Lian unfortunately would not survive that attack.

724
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,340
Word got around that these two crimes were related essentially because of the proximity

725
00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:46,500
of the crime scenes and the police with the media had said to be on the lookout for the

726
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:51,300
attacker described by Maria because she did survive.

727
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:57,440
So Maria described the attacker as a man with curly hair, bulging eyes and with wide spaced

728
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,440
rotting teeth.

729
00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,940
Oh yeah he had halitosis.

730
00:38:59,940 --> 00:39:00,940
Did you know that?

731
00:39:00,940 --> 00:39:01,940
No I didn't.

732
00:39:01,940 --> 00:39:03,960
He's a fucking disgusting fuck.

733
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,800
If anyone doesn't know what halitosis is, it's chronic bad breath.

734
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,480
His breath always fucking stank.

735
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,920
I'm sure he never like was taught how to brush his fucking teeth.

736
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,200
You know what is he like 12 right now?

737
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,520
He's the fucking disgusting.

738
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,520
It's just ugh.

739
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,240
He looks dirty.

740
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:26,040
That image though because when I read it and it said like wide spaced rotting teeth.

741
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,040
It's awful.

742
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,920
It's just I don't know.

743
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,800
One of my biggest creepy things is facial distortion.

744
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,520
So to think of somebody with a really big smile is like ugh.

745
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:37,880
It's fucking creepy.

746
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,120
It's creepy.

747
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,120
So he was dubbed the walk-in killer and the Valley intruder.

748
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,120
The walk-in killer?

749
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,120
The walk-in killer.

750
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,640
Just because you just walked in.

751
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:47,640
Just walking in.

752
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:48,640
Just walking in at places.

753
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:49,640
Killing.

754
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:50,640
Just walked in.

755
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:51,640
I don't know.

756
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,640
The walk-in killer.

757
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,560
I wonder if it's just because it was just at the garage and then the kitchen was attached

758
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,080
to the garage so it's like right there.

759
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,080
Just walked in.

760
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,080
I wonder if it's just walked in.

761
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,080
But then what about the lady of the car?

762
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,080
I don't know.

763
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,120
He just walked, I mean he walked away after that.

764
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,120
The Valley intruder.

765
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,120
It's the asphyxiation.

766
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,400
It's nothing like the asphyxiator though.

767
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,400
The asphyxiator.

768
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,000
That's so the Valley intruder?

769
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:18,360
The Valley intruder or the walk-in killer was what he was dubbed by the media.

770
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:24,640
So ten days later on March 27th, 1985, Ramirez planned to enter a house that he had robbed

771
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,120
one year prior.

772
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,200
He immediately shot and killed 64-year-old Vincent Zazzara.

773
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,800
When his wife Maxine awoke from the noise, Ramirez bound her hands together and demanded

774
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:40,160
that she tell him where all the valuables were in the house.

775
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:46,640
As he was ransacking the house, Maxine actually freed herself from the restraints and received

776
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,760
a shotgun from underneath the bed.

777
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,760
Extra bad bitch alert.

778
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:52,760
Okay.

779
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:53,760
Okay.

780
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,440
Hearing all this commotion from the other room, Ramirez returned to the room only to

781
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,760
be met by the business end of a shotgun.

782
00:40:58,760 --> 00:40:59,760
Let's go.

783
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,240
However, the gun was not loaded.

784
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:07,680
Out of sheer anger, he shot Maxine several times before mutilating her body.

785
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:08,840
He was that mad at her.

786
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,320
Did she try to pull the trigger and he found out it wasn't?

787
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,520
Oh my god, that's so scary.

788
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,080
Imagine like having a weapon and then pulling the trigger and it doesn't work for you.

789
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,640
That is so scary.

790
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:25,480
He was so mad that he took her eyes out of her head, put them in a jewelry box, which

791
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,280
he kept as a trophy.

792
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,280
Yeah.

793
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,280
Her eyeballs.

794
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,280
Her eyeballs.

795
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,920
What does that have to do with her putting it?

796
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:36,920
It's just cruel.

797
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,520
Her trying to defend herself made you mad.

798
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:40,520
Yeah.

799
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:41,520
Hmm.

800
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:42,520
That's weird.

801
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,600
And then she was putting her husband and tying her up and breaking into her house made her

802
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,160
pretty fucking mad.

803
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,160
Yeah.

804
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,280
At least this is all postmortem, honestly.

805
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,280
Jesus.

806
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,480
That's awful.

807
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,680
So unfortunately, Peter, the couple's son, was the one to find them to cease the next

808
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,160
day, which is the most heartbreaking part, I think.

809
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,280
The police were able to collect a shoe print from the front yard's flower bed and it was

810
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,120
determined that it was an Avia sneaker, an Avia brand.

811
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,640
They also matched some of the bullets at the crime scene to the two other crime scenes,

812
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,680
the Maria's crime scene and then Cy Leone.

813
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,480
Ramirez's next victims were Bill and Lillian Doi.

814
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:27,000
On May 14th, 1985, Ramirez broke into their home in the middle of the night and after

815
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,080
shooting her husband, Lillian was cuffed, raped, and beaten.

816
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,080
She would survive the attack, but unfortunately Bill would not.

817
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:40,640
On May 29th, Mabel, Belle, and Florence Lange, who were two sisters, aged 83 and 81, they

818
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,160
were sleeping in their shared house.

819
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:48,000
Ramirez found a hammer in the house and bludgeoned Florence as she slept.

820
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,160
After the beating, he did the same to Mabel and actually electrocuted her with a nearby

821
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,960
exposed wire.

822
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:54,960
What the fuck?

823
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:55,960
Isn't that incredible?

824
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,520
Like I said, he's just a monster.

825
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,640
He just thinks of things and does them.

826
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:03,640
He actually-

827
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,720
Sorry, that is so sick.

828
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:09,760
He grabbed one of the ladies' lipsticks and would draw pentagrams on their bodies and

829
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,720
on the walls before leaving the house.

830
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,760
The women were found two days later, alive.

831
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:16,760
What?

832
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,560
You want to talk about a bad bitch alert.

833
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,560
What?

834
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,560
Yep.

835
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,800
Mabel and Florence, they're the heroes.

836
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:24,800
Both of them?

837
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:25,800
Both of them.

838
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,800
In their 80s.

839
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:27,800
Found alive two days later.

840
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:28,800
After being bludgeoned.

841
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:29,800
Yeah.

842
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:30,800
Electrocuted.

843
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:36,600
Electrocuted and like oh my gosh, bad bitches alert.

844
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,600
Seriously.

845
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:42,360
However, unfortunately Mabel would eventually subcum to her injuries.

846
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,240
Her injuries were too severe.

847
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:45,240
But that's just incredible.

848
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:46,960
Like she survived maybe-

849
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:47,960
For two days.

850
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,600
Like a week, honestly, because it's like days later that she passed in the hospital.

851
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,600
That's insane.

852
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,160
Imagine living like 80 years on this fucking planet and then some dickhead decides that

853
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,160
it's your time to go.

854
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,000
Like fuck you.

855
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,800
The day after the women were beaten, Ramirez drove to the home of Carol Kyle where her

856
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,240
and her 11 year old son lived.

857
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:11,960
He broke into the house, bound the two, put her child in a closet and proceeded to sexually

858
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,480
assault her.

859
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,720
He told her many times during the attack to not look at him and if she continued to,

860
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:21,400
he would quote cut her eyes out and take them with him.

861
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,560
Which we know he's done.

862
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:23,560
Yeah.

863
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,960
So I don't think it's an idle threat.

864
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,160
When he was done with the assault, he tied the mother and son together and then fled

865
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,800
the scene.

866
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,000
So he beat her up a little bit but he didn't murder either of them.

867
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,160
Especially not the kid.

868
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:40,520
That's odd that he like will go in and murder two people for no reason and not sexually

869
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,240
assault them and then sometimes he'll sexually assault someone and just dip.

870
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:44,240
Yeah.

871
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:45,600
Or sometimes he'll just murder someone and dip.

872
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,880
Well he's clearly not above murdering a nine year old.

873
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:48,880
Yeah.

874
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,760
So like to leave a 12 year old completely unharmed, it's just unusual.

875
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,400
It's very strange.

876
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,480
Maybe it has to deal with the fact that he's a boy.

877
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:56,840
Maybe he identifies with that.

878
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:57,840
Yeah.

879
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:58,840
You know?

880
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,160
Then he entered the home of 75 year old Mary Louie Cannon.

881
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,840
She was beaten and stabbed to death with her own kitchen knife.

882
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:12,120
On July 5th 1985, Ramirez broke into a home and began to bludgeon and beat a 16 year old

883
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,160
girl named Whitney Bennett with a tire iron.

884
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:23,280
When he looked for another weapon to finish the attack, specifically a knife, he grabbed

885
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:28,760
a telephone cable and to his surprise after wrapping it around her neck and attempting

886
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:34,480
to strangle her, the wire actually began to spark while it was around her neck.

887
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,000
The fact that Whitney seemed to have found even more strength and start to fight back

888
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:43,800
at this point, Ramirez fled the scene believing that Jesus had intervened and saved Whitney

889
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,400
from dying.

890
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,400
What?

891
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,160
Like essentially he thought that he like she couldn't be killed.

892
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,600
Yeah.

893
00:45:54,600 --> 00:46:01,000
So although Whitney would survive the attack, she did require 478 stitches to her head from

894
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,160
the tire iron.

895
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,160
Holy shit.

896
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,280
Isn't that incredible?

897
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,280
478.

898
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,280
But she survived.

899
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,280
Damn.

900
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,560
Because she's, yeah, bad bitch.

901
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,320
She fucking fought back.

902
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,760
Ramirez broke into 60 year old Joyce Nelson's house on July 7th 1985.

903
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,760
Just like two days later.

904
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,800
Oh, these are like bam, bam, bam, bam.

905
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,240
You would talk about bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

906
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:23,880
These are bam, bam, bam, bam.

907
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,080
So yeah, this is two days later.

908
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,640
I think it's like, yeah, if you're listening to the dates, it's like two days, two days,

909
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,000
two days, sometimes in the same day.

910
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,120
This is kind of brutal.

911
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,520
He actually kicked Joyce Nelson to death, literally.

912
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,080
Like stomped on her to death.

913
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,960
Oh my God.

914
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,240
But then they matched the shoe prints.

915
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:47,200
They had shoe prints on her body that would match an Avia shoe.

916
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,400
Actually not satisfied with this, Ramirez started looking for another victim on the same

917
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,440
day.

918
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,560
He broke into the house of 63 year old Sophie Dickman.

919
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,040
He bound her, beat her, sexually assaulted her, but he didn't kill her.

920
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,320
He made her swear on Satan that she had told him where all of her valuables were in the

921
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,320
house and then fled.

922
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,280
It's kind of odd.

923
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,280
Swear on Satan.

924
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:13,760
July 20th 1985, Ramirez purchased a machete before deciding on the house of Maxon and

925
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,360
Leela Knitting, an elderly couple that lived in Glendale.

926
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,680
He slashed at them with the machete and eventually shot both of them.

927
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,200
He did continue to mediate the bodies even after death.

928
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,160
Once again not satisfied with this, at approximately 4.15am he entered another home.

929
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,480
This is like the three in the same day now.

930
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,480
Yeah.

931
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:34,960
Well within 24 hours for sure.

932
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:40,880
This home belonged to Chanarag Kanavanath, some kid Kanavanath and their 8 year old

933
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,040
son.

934
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:47,240
After shooting Chanarang, killing him instantly, he repeatedly beat and raped Sam Kim, but

935
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:49,360
eventually stole valuables and then left.

936
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,240
He did not harm the child.

937
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:54,320
Both mother and son would survive.

938
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,720
On August 6th, Ramirez entered the home of Kris and Virginia Peterson, where he shot Virginia

939
00:47:58,720 --> 00:47:59,720
in the head.

940
00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:04,020
However, when he went to shoot Kris, Kris was struck by a bullet in the neck but managed

941
00:48:04,020 --> 00:48:07,120
to dodge two more shots while fighting off the attacker.

942
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,120
Dodge?

943
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,120
Dodge.

944
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,480
I mean I'm sure it's like, you know, just struggling and whatever.

945
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,280
So eventually, I guess it's two more shots went off, but neither of them managed to hit

946
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,080
Kris because of the fight.

947
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,200
Ramirez would flee the scene and fortunately the couple were able to survive.

948
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,200
Both of them?

949
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:25,200
Yes.

950
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,200
Wow.

951
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:31,520
The next victims that were attacked just two days later on August 8th were Elias Abouath

952
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,680
and Sekita Abouath and their 3 year old who was sleeping.

953
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,560
When Ramirez entered their home, you know, they were all asleep.

954
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,960
He shot the father and similar to his other attacks, he assaulted Sekita but left her

955
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,200
and her child alive.

956
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:52,000
Just 18th, Ramirez attacked a sleeping couple, Peter 66 and Barbara 62 Pan.

957
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,840
What was their last name?

958
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,040
Peter Pan.

959
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,640
Peter was shot first and would not survive the attack.

960
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,200
Barbara was shot but she did survive.

961
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:06,520
At this crime scene, police located another set of footprints that matched all the other

962
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:07,520
prints.

963
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:13,200
So we've known for a while like, we've been detailing these crimes, I've been detailing

964
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,440
these crimes and we really haven't talked much about the investigation but at this point

965
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,920
in the background with all this stuff going on, detectives know that they have a serial

966
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,160
killer and they are hot on Ramirez's trail.

967
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,140
They do know his description and they know the size of shoe he was wearing and what kind

968
00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:30,140
of shoes he was wearing.

969
00:49:30,140 --> 00:49:35,080
They had actually determined at this point that there were only a few locations locally

970
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,840
that carried that specific shoe in that specific size.

971
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,080
So they were already kind of...

972
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,080
Narrowing.

973
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,680
Yeah, they're coming up on this.

974
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,360
Not only that but they were also in constant communication with the media so they figured

975
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,480
that Ramirez was probably watching so Ramirez also knows these things.

976
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:55,680
On August 24th, 13 year old James Romero was up late in his house.

977
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,720
Probably normal teenager stuff.

978
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:01,600
Walking around the house, probably eating snacks, watching TV.

979
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,240
He went to the family car to retrieve something from it and while he was out there he heard

980
00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:07,240
rustling in the bushes nearby the house.

981
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:10,040
Oh my god, that is so terrifying.

982
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:15,640
Thinking this was an animal he went to investigate but he saw nothing when he checked the bush.

983
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:21,920
Checking the car door handle again he realized the car was locked so he headed back inside.

984
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,520
Whether or not he decided to not go back outside because he was like creeped out or like maybe

985
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,600
he was like oh whatever I'll just get the thing tomorrow.

986
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,040
Either way he didn't go back outside.

987
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,040
While inside for a while though he heard something else outside.

988
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:40,320
He went to go look through his bedroom window, he saw Ramirez standing in the yard.

989
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,320
Oh my gosh.

990
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,720
I thought you were going to say that he was like standing on like the second story roof.

991
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:50,720
Like inside his wall.

992
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:52,440
Ding, ding, ding, ding.

993
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,320
Oh my gosh.

994
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,040
James immediately notified his parents saying that there was a parlor outside looking to

995
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,040
break in is what he thought.

996
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,480
His parents quickly got up and scared off Ramirez by making a bunch of noise or shouting

997
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,480
out the windows and stuff.

998
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:12,000
But not before James actually chased him, 13 year old, chased him like within a certain

999
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,000
distance.

1000
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,000
You don't want to fuck with this guy bro.

1001
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Right.

1002
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,320
So he chased him but he mostly to take note of the man's description, his clothing, the

1003
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,000
make and model of the car as well as the license plate number.

1004
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,000
What a badass.

1005
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,000
I know at 13.

1006
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,000
That's awesome.

1007
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,320
He saved his whole fucking family bro.

1008
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,960
Oh like a hella fucking like just doing the damn thing.

1009
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:30,960
James or Miro.

1010
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,160
Hella proactive.

1011
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,200
So we all know Richard at this point right?

1012
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,440
We know he's not afraid to commit multiple crimes in one night.

1013
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:37,440
Yeah what the fuck.

1014
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,360
And in fact it's kind of part of his MO at certain times.

1015
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:45,440
So Richard entered the home of Bill Karnas and his fiance, Inez Erickson.

1016
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,760
He shot Bill three times while he slept.

1017
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:54,000
He told Inez, I am the night stalker swear to Satan that you love him.

1018
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,040
That you love Satan or that you love the night stalker?

1019
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,560
That you love Satan.

1020
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,680
He dragged her throughout the house collecting valuables and assaulting her before leaving

1021
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,160
the residence he said quote, tell them I'm the night stalker and I was here.

1022
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,160
End quote.

1023
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,760
He's so fucking narcissistic.

1024
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,040
He's like BTK all over again.

1025
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,400
He's a list of the names you can call me.

1026
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,440
I am the night stalker.

1027
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,200
Tell them that the night stalker was here.

1028
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:19,200
I am the night stalker.

1029
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,200
Fuck you.

1030
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:21,200
I'm not gonna tell them shit.

1031
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,000
The couple would survive by the way.

1032
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,680
Tell them some pussy ass bitch was here.

1033
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,160
Tell them the night stalker was here.

1034
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:33,360
So Inez was actually able to give a very detailed description of Ramirez and based on the proximity

1035
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,320
to the Ramirez house because it happened in the same night, they knew that the night

1036
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,160
stalker had to be in the area like then.

1037
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,400
Do we call him the night stalker?

1038
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:42,400
Do we give him that?

1039
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:43,400
I don't think we should give him that.

1040
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:44,400
Okay we won't give him that.

1041
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,600
We should call him the halitosis hangman.

1042
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:47,600
Halitosis.

1043
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:57,520
She's called him the bad breath burglar.

1044
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,600
The Tums and Frooters.

1045
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:01,840
Oh god.

1046
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:07,080
The car Ramirez used in the Romero and the Carnes Ericsson case was actually found abandoned

1047
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,080
nearby.

1048
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:09,720
So like police knew that they were around.

1049
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:10,720
Right they're closing in.

1050
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:14,720
So all of the breath of trail of the bad breath.

1051
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:16,920
Yeah he's close.

1052
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:17,920
The stinky strangler.

1053
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:18,920
The stinky staffer.

1054
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:19,920
That's what it was.

1055
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:20,920
The stinky staffer.

1056
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:21,920
The stinky strangler.

1057
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:33,160
That's what it was.

1058
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,320
So police were actually able to retrieve a fingerprint from the car.

1059
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,000
Let me tell you a man in car.

1060
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,000
What?

1061
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,000
I'm gonna give another one.

1062
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,840
Bad breath burglar triple B.

1063
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:43,840
Call me BBB.

1064
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,360
Call me triple B.

1065
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:47,360
B cubed.

1066
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,360
I don't know why I thought of that.

1067
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:57,240
So police were able to retrieve a fingerprint from the car, the stolen car that was used

1068
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:58,240
in the crimes.

1069
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:01,720
Oh and did they have a fingerprint from the window right?

1070
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:03,720
Yes they sure did.

1071
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:08,920
So using this print police were actually able to match it out of Texas at this point because

1072
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,520
new technology had come out in just the last few months.

1073
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,480
So they could match it to any state.

1074
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:18,160
So now this is yeah that was a nationwide database that they had just come up with.

1075
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,600
So police were able to match it out of Texas to Richard Ramirez.

1076
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:23,960
Oh interesting.

1077
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,960
So at this time I don't know what he was doing.

1078
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:26,960
Wait but that's not the killer.

1079
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:27,960
The killer's name is the Night Stalker.

1080
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,720
Oh wait it's Compositely the Him.

1081
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:35,200
For those of you that have been doing the math on the years, Richard is just 25 years

1082
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,000
old at this point.

1083
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,000
Oh my god.

1084
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,280
Like he's a kid literally.

1085
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,360
So it just so happened that the fingerprint print, it just so happened that the fingerprint

1086
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:54,080
database was the whole like for keeping records of like children's records or even criminal

1087
00:54:54,080 --> 00:55:01,080
records that that process hadn't started until 1960, January of 1960.

1088
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,160
So literally just like two months before Richard was born.

1089
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,160
Wow.

1090
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:06,160
Isn't that incredible?

1091
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,520
So like that's how they have like his, it's just, it's crazy that that's when it was

1092
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:11,520
established.

1093
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,240
It just so happened to be that his whole life it's always pretty much been a thing.

1094
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:17,440
But like they would keep fingerprints.

1095
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:22,720
The criminal database is actually updated recently to include not only that like nationwide

1096
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:27,520
searches but the computer generated auto searches instead of just everything by hand where it

1097
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:28,640
takes forever.

1098
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,120
So literally they got these results within a few days.

1099
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,160
So they knew it was Richard Ramirez.

1100
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,520
So of course they blasted all over like media.

1101
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,720
Like there's like this is this dude.

1102
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:41,640
If you see this dude he's highly dangerous you know all this shit.

1103
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:42,640
So he stinks.

1104
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:43,640
He stinks.

1105
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,400
He's got a weird ass smile.

1106
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,840
He really never smiled.

1107
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:53,400
So anyways spotted just a few days later after the car was found.

1108
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,960
Ramirez was essentially evading police.

1109
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,480
Like somebody thought that they saw him.

1110
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,200
The police came to that area.

1111
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,200
He was already fleeing.

1112
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:03,200
Yeah.

1113
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:04,200
All this stuff.

1114
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:11,680
Anyways, just through that commotion alone, citizens started literally seeing him down

1115
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:12,680
the street.

1116
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:13,680
Like that guy.

1117
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:14,680
That's that guy.

1118
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:15,680
Yeah.

1119
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:16,680
That's that guy.

1120
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:17,680
Recognizable as fuck.

1121
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,120
And so people were essentially chasing after him down the street.

1122
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:25,200
Like he's Frankenstein's monster and everybody has like pitchforks and like torches.

1123
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:30,960
And so they're chasing after him and eventually when he was caught by these citizens they

1124
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:31,960
held him down.

1125
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:32,960
They beat the shit out of him.

1126
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:33,960
Hell yeah.

1127
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,360
Somebody hit him over the head with a pipe.

1128
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:36,360
Good.

1129
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,360
Like just nutsness.

1130
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,000
And so they held him until the police came to get him.

1131
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,000
Right.

1132
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,000
Taking his eyeballs.

1133
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,520
It's pretty interesting story.

1134
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,400
Police arrived and took him into custody.

1135
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:49,960
I won't go into the court proceedings.

1136
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,240
It's pretty cut and dry.

1137
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,760
He admitted to a lot of these murders and incidents.

1138
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:02,000
So he was convicted, found guilty of 13 counts of murder, five counts of attempted murder,

1139
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,400
11 counts of sexual assault, and 14 counts of burglary.

1140
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,680
I didn't realize his killings was in such a short amount of time.

1141
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:10,680
Yeah.

1142
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:11,680
I didn't realize it was only a year.

1143
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,160
It was like a few, like at least three.

1144
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:14,160
Yeah.

1145
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:15,160
Something like that.

1146
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,440
I didn't realize it was literally from 94 to 95.

1147
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,880
He was sentenced to 19 counts of the death sentence.

1148
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:22,880
Wow.

1149
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:23,880
Yeah.

1150
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:24,880
Which is kind of like...

1151
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:25,880
I'm gonna kill you 19 times.

1152
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:26,880
Yeah.

1153
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:33,200
So a psychiatric evaluation concluded that Ramirez had a schizoid personality disorder

1154
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:39,240
because he had been knocked out, literally knocked unconscious several times before the

1155
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:44,200
age of six, that that contributed to his aggression and his hypersexuality.

1156
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,200
And that's all.

1157
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:46,200
I mean...

1158
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,200
It's to Julian.

1159
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:48,200
Yeah.

1160
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,200
Makes sense.

1161
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,200
Thanks, dad.

1162
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:51,200
For real.

1163
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:52,200
Richard would never see his execution day, however.

1164
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:58,480
On June 7th, 2013, Richard Ramirez died of complications with lymphoma and hep C.

1165
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,080
He had halitosis.

1166
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,440
I'm telling you, probably made him sick.

1167
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:03,440
He probably did.

1168
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:09,200
He probably had a bunch of fucking abscesses or like fucking, um, like bacterial infections.

1169
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,200
In his mouth, you know.

1170
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,200
Yeah.

1171
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,200
Like gingivitis and shit.

1172
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,040
So, that's the story of Richard Ramirez.

1173
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,040
I mean...

1174
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,440
Have you forgotten about the Cecil yet?

1175
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,400
Yeah, I have, actually.

1176
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,120
So why is this tied to Richard Ramirez?

1177
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:26,400
Yeah, what the hell?

1178
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,760
Because during the entire time that Richard Ramirez was committing these alpha murders,

1179
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,040
he called the Cecil home.

1180
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,520
No.

1181
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,840
That's where he would rest his head at night.

1182
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,360
Wow.

1183
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,000
So that's...

1184
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:47,000
He's just in the middle of all this carnage and this is in his place.

1185
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,000
Oh my gosh.

1186
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,920
So, oftentimes tenants would complain to staff because Richard would return to the Cecil

1187
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,400
covered in blood.

1188
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,640
Tenants and staff would recollect him walking around in his underwear and socks because he

1189
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:05,280
would walk down to the dumpsters, throw his clothes in it, and then walk upstairs.

1190
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,080
Sometimes naked as well.

1191
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,960
And they were like, cool?

1192
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:15,240
He lived on the 14th floor and he paid $14 a night.

1193
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,280
That is so crazy that that ties together.

1194
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:18,280
I was totally...

1195
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,280
I wasn't even thinking about that anymore.

1196
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,280
You're right.

1197
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,280
I was like, oh, Richard Ramirez!

1198
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:23,280
Wow.

1199
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,840
So, believe it or not, this would not be the only serial killer to grace the Cecil with

1200
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:28,840
their presence.

1201
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:29,840
Hmm.

1202
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:34,920
Jack Unterweger was an Austrian killer who came to L.A. as a writer for an Austrian paper

1203
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,960
at the time that he was working.

1204
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:42,960
He had already killed seven women back home and his MO was strangling sex work victims

1205
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,680
with their own bras.

1206
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,040
Oh my god.

1207
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:50,920
He came to L.A. to write about the difference in U.S. crime rates versus Austrian crime rates,

1208
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:51,920
which is interesting.

1209
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,840
He's like adding to it.

1210
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,640
So he wanted the best research as possible, so that's why he checked into the Cecil.

1211
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:03,360
There he would kill three sex workers over the time that he stayed there, each garaded

1212
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,560
with their own bras.

1213
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:05,560
Jesus.

1214
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,720
So, Unterweger would eventually be caught and he was extradited back to Austria, where

1215
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,920
he would be found guilty of a total of 11 murders.

1216
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:13,920
Wow.

1217
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,720
The night of his sentencing, however, Jack took his own life and his jail cell.

1218
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:18,720
He hung himself.

1219
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,920
Oh, poor baby.

1220
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,280
You got time for one more?

1221
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:24,280
Yeah.

1222
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:25,960
It's kind of like ghost stories.

1223
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:31,240
A 21-year-old, Elisa Lam, was traveling as a Canadian student.

1224
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,440
She was the daughter of Hong Kong immigrants.

1225
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:39,960
In 2012, Elisa had begun to post on her blog that she was struggling with mental illnesses,

1226
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:47,200
saying that she and her mind had recently, quote-unquote, relapsed, not relapsed mentally,

1227
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,320
and that she felt, quote, utterly directionless and lost, end quote.

1228
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:56,160
She was also posting things like, quote, you always feel haunted by the idea that you're

1229
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,160
wasting your life, end quote.

1230
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,960
So this is in 2012.

1231
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:03,320
Elisa had dropped several classes because of her struggles with her depression and she

1232
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,840
was looking to do something a little different before getting back into school for the new

1233
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:07,840
year.

1234
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,080
During this time, however, she fell into a really deep depression and started experiencing

1235
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,720
hallucinations in which she would often hide under her bed out of fear.

1236
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:15,920
Oh, my gosh.

1237
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:16,920
Which is awful.

1238
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,160
I can't imagine that.

1239
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:23,640
After these episodes, several of these episodes, she was actually sent to a hospital where

1240
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,280
she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder as well as depression.

1241
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,720
She was prescribed medication and it seemed to be working for her pretty well.

1242
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,760
She decided to take a trip before heading back to school for spring.

1243
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,520
So she decided to travel to San Diego and the California area.

1244
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:44,640
She visited the San Diego Zoo, blogging about her experience the whole way throughout this

1245
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:45,640
time.

1246
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:51,120
On January 26th of 2013, she arrived in LA and two days later, she would check into

1247
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:52,120
the Cecil.

1248
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:53,120
Oh, no.

1249
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:57,160
At this time, there was a student program going on that would house several students

1250
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:01,240
in one room, kind of like a hostel, and then they would have those shared bathrooms and

1251
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,240
things like that.

1252
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,440
And it was also for a cheaper price.

1253
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,840
Alisa was assigned to one of these rooms with many people, like a few other people.

1254
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:14,000
However, her roommates would begin to complain about Alisa's strange and erratic behavior.

1255
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:19,320
Alisa would lock the room when everybody would leave and then she would refuse to open the

1256
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,800
door to anybody that didn't.

1257
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:27,280
She would ask them random questions or they would have to have a password, like a child.

1258
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,880
Like, what's the password?

1259
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,600
And they're like, okay, it's kind of funny, but all my shit's in there, can I get in my

1260
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,100
room?

1261
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:36,520
And then I wonder what the questions were.

1262
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,000
I wonder if it was a vetting thing.

1263
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,720
She didn't trust who was coming in another room.

1264
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:44,200
She didn't trust that it was one of her roommates.

1265
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:50,680
She would also leave, Alisa would, leave odd notes in their belongings or on their beds,

1266
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,760
saying things like, go home or go away.

1267
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:55,760
So very strange her out of here.

1268
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,760
That sounds like schizophrenia.

1269
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:58,760
Right, doesn't it?

1270
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:03,560
And keep in mind, she's only 21 right now, so that might be what was happening.

1271
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,560
After two days of this, Alisa was actually moved to a private room by herself because

1272
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,360
of the complaints.

1273
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:15,440
Another few days later, she was actually escorted and removed from a live taping of a show where

1274
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,680
she was an audience member and she caused such a disturbance that they actually had

1275
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,280
to remove her from the premises.

1276
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,120
So this was just a few days after she got her own private room.

1277
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,720
Alisa typically called her parents in British Columbia every day since she had began her

1278
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,480
vacation in California as she was traveling alone.

1279
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,760
However, her parents didn't hear anything from her on January 31st.

1280
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,240
This is 2013.

1281
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:42,440
By the next day, which was February 1st, her parents had called LAPD to report that their

1282
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,080
daughter was missing.

1283
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,880
They then made the trip from British Columbia to LA to aid in the search of their daughter

1284
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,600
because they knew it was very unusual for her not to call.

1285
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,200
At this point, she hadn't checked out of her hotel room either.

1286
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,360
She was supposed to check out February 1st morning and they checked and all of her things

1287
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:58,560
were in the room.

1288
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,840
So they're like, okay, clearly she's missing.

1289
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,520
She's not here.

1290
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:03,680
She hasn't called.

1291
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,480
She's not checked out.

1292
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,280
So it was a problem.

1293
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:12,080
So police and family members started canvassing the local area and there was actually a local

1294
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:17,400
bookstore owner that remembers seeing Alisa in her store the day of January 31st.

1295
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:21,600
The shop owner remembered her because she said Alisa was very enthusiastic about purchasing

1296
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,600
gifts for her family and that she couldn't wait to get back home to show off all the

1297
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,040
goodies that she got.

1298
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:32,200
So of course, it's something to remember her by, like, oh, you're from British Columbia.

1299
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:33,200
Wow, that's pretty far.

1300
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:34,200
What are you doing out here?

1301
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:35,560
Things like that.

1302
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,560
So she really remembered Alisa.

1303
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,840
Search dogs were called into the hotel, but little was found.

1304
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:46,360
There'd be kind of trails and then nothing and then kind of trails and then nothing.

1305
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:51,440
Sergeant Rudy Lopez said that there wasn't much that they could do about the search unless

1306
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,160
a dog had indicated that they could go into the hotel room.

1307
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,120
So when asked by media, oh, did you search every room?

1308
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:03,800
He's like, well, no, because that's people's private areas and unless a dog essentially

1309
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:08,240
marks or indicates, I guess, there wouldn't be probable cause.

1310
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:12,000
So plus this is 700 rooms.

1311
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,840
So at this point, almost a week had gone by and Alisa's family and local authorities

1312
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:22,440
started outsourcing to the media and produced missing persons flyers around the neighborhood.

1313
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:27,880
After a few weeks since Alisa's disappearance, LAPD released footage of the last no moments

1314
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:28,880
of Alisa.

1315
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:29,880
Do you remember this?

1316
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,760
No, I don't think so.

1317
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,240
Oh, wait, hold on.

1318
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:36,240
In the elevator?

1319
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,320
Oh yeah, I remember this.

1320
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:43,720
It was a video taken from an elevator in which we see Alisa displaying very strange and

1321
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,560
bizarre behavior.

1322
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:47,720
The elevator doors open.

1323
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,360
Alisa walks in casually into the elevator.

1324
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,840
She bends over and gets extremely close to the elevator buttons.

1325
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:58,680
She begins at first to hit a few buttons and then begins to hit all of them in order.

1326
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:03,380
The elevator door tries to close, but maybe only about an inch before staying open.

1327
01:06:03,380 --> 01:06:08,500
It hangs open for another five seconds before Alisa approaches the open doorway, quickly

1328
01:06:08,500 --> 01:06:11,480
sticks out her head and looks left and right.

1329
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,320
Then she goes back into the elevator.

1330
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:19,160
She then backs into the corner of the elevator like she's hiding from someone or something.

1331
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,880
She waits another few seconds before approaching the door again.

1332
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:27,240
This time she almost hops out into the hallway as if to startle someone.

1333
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:32,720
She does a four square movement after this, takes one step to the left, one step backwards

1334
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:39,960
almost back into the elevator, a step to the right, and then a step forward out of the elevator

1335
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,200
once again.

1336
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:47,520
At this point she shuffles all the way to the left of the elevator, so you can't really

1337
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:48,520
see her.

1338
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,200
She's kind of out of frame.

1339
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:54,320
She then begins to raise her hands over her head, possibly resting her hands on the back

1340
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:55,960
of her head.

1341
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,960
She stands there for another few seconds.

1342
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:03,840
Keep in mind that the elevator door has not shut, which is very unusual.

1343
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:04,840
Because there's nobody in it.

1344
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:05,840
There's nobody in it.

1345
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:06,840
There's nobody in the doorway.

1346
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,640
She's outside of the elevator at this point.

1347
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,440
The door remains open.

1348
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:12,840
Not only that, but she hit all the buttons.

1349
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,440
Shouldn't it be going somewhere?

1350
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,520
So she gets back in the elevator, she has her hands up.

1351
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,360
She then begins to hit the buttons again, all in order one more time.

1352
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:27,720
She steps outside of the elevator once more, and at this time she begins kind of manipulating

1353
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:32,480
her hands and her arms as if she's talking to someone or pleading with someone.

1354
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,440
But she's definitely moving her hands around like she's expressing herself in some way

1355
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,800
to someone.

1356
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,680
It looks like a full on conversation.

1357
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,120
This lasts for a solid 40 seconds.

1358
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:46,920
So if you time 40 seconds at your head, it's pretty long.

1359
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,400
Alisa walks out of frame at this point.

1360
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:54,800
Another 30 seconds goes by with her nowhere near the door until the elevator door actually

1361
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,600
starts to finally close slowly.

1362
01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:58,600
After 30 seconds?

1363
01:07:58,600 --> 01:07:59,600
30 seconds.

1364
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:04,040
Like 30 full on seconds, not including the 40 seconds where she's already off of the

1365
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,920
elevator, expressing her waving her hands.

1366
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:11,320
So that's like over a minute and a half long that this door has just been open.

1367
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:17,280
15 seconds later, the elevator door slowly opens to no one.

1368
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,760
10 seconds later, it closes once more.

1369
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:21,640
It intervals like this once more.

1370
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:29,800
10 seconds open, 10 seconds closed, until the video ends.

1371
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:35,280
So assuming that the end of the video is the elevator going to each floor, you can't see

1372
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,680
it moving up and down obviously because the camera's inside of it.

1373
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,720
So it's opening on each floor.

1374
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:41,080
I didn't even think about that.

1375
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,040
Opening, closing, and then going down open or whatever.

1376
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,040
It's not just at a standstill.

1377
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:47,040
That makes no sense.

1378
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,040
Opening and closing.

1379
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,040
I feel like a dummy.

1380
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,000
It's funny, I didn't even think about that because that's the whole thing is that you

1381
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,760
think that this door is like, oh my god you're so smart.

1382
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,320
Internet sleuths, did you just hear it kind of crack the case?

1383
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:03,600
Well because another thing they won't talk about is what floor she was on.

1384
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,800
They won't release that information.

1385
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:10,960
And she seemingly is talking to someone but you don't ever see anyone else.

1386
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,880
She's clearly startled or uncomfortable or uneasy at some point.

1387
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:15,880
The video is really eerie.

1388
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:16,880
It is.

1389
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,960
And it's out there, the whole video is out there.

1390
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:20,960
It's like the ring shit.

1391
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,760
It's like if you don't share this in seven days you will die.

1392
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,280
It's really creepy.

1393
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:26,800
It's super unnerving.

1394
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:31,940
So the hotel meanwhile is still in operation through all this time searching for Alisa.

1395
01:09:31,940 --> 01:09:35,240
So within this time frame tenants are actually becoming increasingly concerned about some

1396
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:39,120
issues they were experiencing with the tap water in the building.

1397
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:44,240
So some had complained of weak water pressure, others had complained about odd tastes, odors

1398
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:45,240
or smells.

1399
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,640
Odors and smells are the same thing.

1400
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,840
The color as well, that the color was off.

1401
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:55,640
On February 19th, three weeks after Alisa's disappearance, a maintenance worker climbed

1402
01:09:55,640 --> 01:10:00,680
the ladder to the roof in order to inspect the water tank because of these complaints.

1403
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:05,600
This water tank provides water for all residents, the kitchen and the coffee shop that is attached

1404
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,360
to the hotel.

1405
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:11,360
Inside the water tank, the maintenance worker found Alisa Lam's body.

1406
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:15,120
She had been there for three weeks at this point since the police could confirm that

1407
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,520
she was wearing the exact same clothes as the video in the elevator.

1408
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:22,680
The Emmy reported that there was no signs of trauma to the body, no sexual assault and

1409
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,000
no obvious signs of suicide.

1410
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:29,400
Tox reports confirmed that Alisa had minimal amounts of prescription drugs in her system,

1411
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:33,600
but those were consistent with her normal doses of medication.

1412
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:38,240
She did have at least one alcoholic drink, maybe two sometime during the day, as her

1413
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:43,920
blood alcohol content was.02, so way underneath the legal limit, but she clearly did have

1414
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,800
some alcohol.

1415
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:49,760
Investigators did however say that the prescription medication amount was so small that it might

1416
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:55,000
have been undercutting her medication, so she probably wasn't taking the full dose.

1417
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,520
The Emmy report would reflect that Alisa had died from drowning.

1418
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,720
So how did she get up there?

1419
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:05,480
All doors and stairways that could have accessed the roof, you only can access them with a

1420
01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:08,440
key card or a password.

1421
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:13,680
Forcing any of those doors would cause an emergency alarm to go off for a fire exit.

1422
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:18,000
But at this time, you can actually access the outside fire escape without triggering

1423
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,280
any alarms through a window.

1424
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:26,000
A dog had found Alisa's scent at the end of this specific hallway, but the dog did not

1425
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,960
alert the fire escape itself.

1426
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,320
Don't really know how sniffing dogs work, maybe it was wind or maybe she wasn't there

1427
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:36,600
long enough to really get a scent, and it is on the side of a fucking building.

1428
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:41,000
So this may be how she got access to the roof, but how did she get in there?

1429
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,520
Because surely the water tanks that supply all of the water for the hotel would have

1430
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:49,040
a pretty heavy lid on it, just to keep the water protected from bird shit or whatever

1431
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:50,120
it is.

1432
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:54,520
But according to Google Maps, accessed while the search for Alisa was still going on,

1433
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:58,840
you could clearly see that water tank lids were open on two of the four tanks.

1434
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:03,240
This is the Google Maps area, and this is before Alisa was found.

1435
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:08,480
So somebody was doing just like an aerial view, and it just so happened that these little

1436
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:11,440
snippets or screenshots or whatever had tanks open.

1437
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:16,720
So clearly they had their tanks open, which was gross, because yeah.

1438
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,880
Wasn't she found with the lid completely closed then?

1439
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:20,880
That was a rumor.

1440
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:22,400
Yeah, that was apparently a rumor.

1441
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,520
The maintenance worker said that when he found her, he just looked in.

1442
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,160
There wasn't a cover over it.

1443
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:28,880
So she might have fallen in.

1444
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,120
How she actually got in there though is still a mystery, because even the maintenance worker

1445
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,800
required a ladder in order to get up there to look in.

1446
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:39,720
So how she got in there is still kind of a mystery.

1447
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,880
Although the ME had determined that Alisa's cause of death was drowning, police and detectives

1448
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,280
have not officially closed her case.

1449
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:50,040
Because Alisa was in such a deep state of decomposition, they haven't ruled out foul

1450
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,040
play completely.

1451
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,960
Police's family decided to sue the Cecil Hotel for failing to protect Alisa by allowing

1452
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,880
access to the fire escape.

1453
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,680
The Cecil denied any wrongdoing saying they couldn't possibly predict the circumstances

1454
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,640
and the likelihood that someone would be able to access the tank in normal circumstances

1455
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,400
are very slim.

1456
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,640
Which is kind of true.

1457
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,880
The case was eventually dismissed.

1458
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:17,680
On June 13th, 2015, a 28-year-old man was found outside the hotel.

1459
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,520
Another person had either fallen or jumped to their death.

1460
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,400
He has not been identified and the case is still open.

1461
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:27,560
In 2011, the Cecil in an effort to distance themselves from their past would change their

1462
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:32,120
name to the stay on Maine, although the original marquee still remains.

1463
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:33,560
Happy Halloween!

1464
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:34,560
That's crazy.

1465
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:39,960
That's my story, y'all.

1466
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:46,040
Wow, I definitely was not expecting any of that to come full circle like it did.

1467
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:49,400
The Cecil, I knew a little bit about it, not a lot.

1468
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,280
I've definitely heard that Alisa's story told on another podcast.

1469
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:56,400
But yeah, definitely cool to hear it from another perspective as well, because that

1470
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:57,400
video is very eerie.

1471
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:02,640
So if you haven't seen that video, you can definitely Google the elevator video.

1472
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:03,640
It's pretty crazy.

1473
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:07,600
Just definitely look at it and try to decipher it for yourself.

1474
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,000
Yeah, but it's very unnerving to watch.

1475
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:14,360
I just think what's really interesting about this whole case in general about the Cecil

1476
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:20,440
Hotel is that so many different kinds of people from different places, it's almost like when

1477
01:14:20,440 --> 01:14:25,880
you read it like that, it's almost like what makes people so drawn to this place?

1478
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:26,880
Yeah, exactly.

1479
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:27,880
Is it because it's kind of seedier?

1480
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,400
Is it because, you know what I mean?

1481
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,640
Is it the overall depressive nature of it?

1482
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,440
It's like vintage or whatever.

1483
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:39,720
Even American Horror Story Hotel is based off Cecil.

1484
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:46,040
I mean, and it's got this very like just a creepy feel, you know?

1485
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:51,360
So I don't know, is it that that makes people kind of go insane or feel more depressed or

1486
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,880
is it just a fucking portal to hell?

1487
01:14:53,880 --> 01:15:02,960
Yeah, so I definitely wanted to tie in some of that haunted house kind of story-ish spookiness,

1488
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:06,560
plus also serial killers, because that's what we do.

1489
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:13,440
And then just talking about like honestly people's mental states because I mean especially,

1490
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:18,840
you know, I get Great Depression, Doug's in the name, but people were so desperate during

1491
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,560
that time and it's just like that's when it kind of kicked off and then it just kind

1492
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:22,560
of never stopped.

1493
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:23,960
It's just really interesting.

1494
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:24,960
Definitely.

1495
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:30,880
And about Richard Ramirez, like I think that it had everything to do with what he was exposed

1496
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,560
to as a child, like how he turned out.

1497
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,640
That's absolutely awful that he was exposed to all of that as a kid.

1498
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:40,800
Definitely not excusing what he did as an adult with his cousin and then with when he

1499
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,160
went with his aunt and then she had her husband or whatever and even his dad.

1500
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:49,720
Like he just had like the really, really shittiest end of the stick coming to like how he was

1501
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,280
being raised and stuff.

1502
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:52,280
So that was awful.

1503
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,840
But again, I didn't know that his crimes were so short and I definitely didn't know how

1504
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,240
young he was when he was caught and all that stuff.

1505
01:15:58,240 --> 01:15:59,240
Yeah.

1506
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,960
Definitely also just want to pepper this in as well since we did Taco Bell.

1507
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,840
Self-harm and suicide earlier in the episode.

1508
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:09,280
It's always in our synopsis of the episode, but I just want to put it here.

1509
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:14,680
You can actually call a new suicide in crisis line that they've recently put into place

1510
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,720
to a national suicide lifeline.

1511
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,800
And the number is 988 rather than dialing 911.

1512
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:21,320
You would dial 988.

1513
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,080
That's actually able to be texted as well.

1514
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:28,120
And there's also like an instant chat option as well online.

1515
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:34,040
If you'd rather message or text someone about it, but definitely share that with your friends.

1516
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:35,560
Definitely know you're not alone.

1517
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,840
And of course we put the Trevor Project and the National Suicide Hotline number in our

1518
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,360
info every time.

1519
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,720
But yeah, that was an awesome case.

1520
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:44,720
Thank you for bringing that.

1521
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:45,720
I was really excited.

1522
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,520
I'm glad that we're doing these like longer, like more in-depth cases.

1523
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:49,920
I already know what I'm going to do next.

1524
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:51,360
So I'm really excited about that.

1525
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:52,360
I'm excited.

1526
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,000
You guys definitely have been awesome.

1527
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,840
You know, keeping up with the downloads of the episodes and we've been really excited

1528
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:58,840
about those.

1529
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,680
And we've definitely been seeing like a trend that people listen to us all over the world,

1530
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,600
which is pretty cool.

1531
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,760
So thanks for all the support, y'all.

1532
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,200
And we'll definitely just keep getting these episodes out for you.

1533
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:10,520
We'll just keep going back and forth.

1534
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,640
Again, we've been focusing a lot more on cases rather than mental breakdowns.

1535
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:17,560
I think we're going to keep that trend to see because it's been working for us.

1536
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:18,560
Happy Halloween.

1537
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:19,560
Happy Halloween.

1538
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:24,840
You can definitely follow us on Instagram at Diagnosing a Killer, Twitter at KillerDiagnosis.

1539
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:28,960
We have patreon.com slash Diagnosing a Killer if you want to support us that way.

1540
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,240
We're on anywhere you listen to podcasts.

1541
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:35,680
We also have a TikTok Diagnosing a Killer and you can email us at Diagnosing a Killer

1542
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:36,680
at gmail.com.

1543
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:42,080
If you have any suggestions now that we're doing these like more well-known cases, definitely

1544
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:43,080
shout us out.

1545
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:44,080
Give us a shout.

1546
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,000
Tell us who you want to hear about and that rhymed.

1547
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:48,560
All right.

1548
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:49,960
I think we're good.

1549
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:50,960
Yeah.

1550
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:51,960
Okay.

1551
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:52,960
We'll see you guys later.

1552
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:53,960
Love you.

1553
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:54,960
Bye.

1554
01:17:54,960 --> 01:18:23,960
Bye.