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Hello. Hello. How's it going? Hi. My name is Kenna. I'm Koelle. Why don't you have your headset on?

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My hair is wet and I don't want headset hair.

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So it's underneath my neck. So I can hear literally everything else that's going on in this room right now, but you can't.

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Yeah, you're wearing like noise-canceling headsets. And you can't hear yourself. And I can't hear myself.

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Yeah. Yeah. I can't I can't even hear. I mean I can hear you clearly when you're talking to me,

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but I don't have no idea what it's gonna sound like.

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All right. Well, it sounds fine because I can hear it in my head.

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Welcome back to Diagnosing a Killer. We're really excited about this case.

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I'm super excited. So excited.

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I'm gonna do something a little bit different. Okay. I know we've talked about we're gonna do some pretty big names.

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However, I'm going to put in the title Mystery Killer because I don't want it to be given away.

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So it's a mystery to me and the listeners. Okay. All at once. Let's get started. This is gonna be a very long episode.

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I'm excited for a very long episode though. We're not gonna do a two-parter for this. We're just gonna give it all to you.

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So it's probably gonna end up being close to an hour and a half, maybe two hours. But obviously if you need to take a pee break, it could pause us.

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We won't be though. We're gonna sit here in these tiny chairs until our asses fall asleep. Absolutely.

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All right. January 19th, 1991. Dolores Davis, a 62-year-old woman who was retired and living alone in her home in Sedwick County, Kansas, was getting ready for bed.

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Any of those dates or names or states? Not yet. Just January and I was hoping it was a birthday because I'd be like, Capricorn.

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No. It's not a birthday. This is very much the opposite. Oh no.

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It was a very cold night, so she locked up, got cozy in bed, and eventually fell into a deep sleep.

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After she had been asleep for a little while, Dolores awoke to a very loud noise coming from the side of her house.

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Thinking a car had run off the road and into her home, she arrived that loud. Oh my gosh.

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She arrived by the glass side door to see that in fact a cinder block had been thrown in through it in a break-in attempt.

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Into her sliding glass door? Oh that's creepy. Oh gosh. Oh no. This is like a purge. Oh yeah, literally.

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Dolores quickly realized that this attempt had been successful and she'd locked eyes with her intruder.

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I literally have goosebumps. The man explained that he was a criminal that was on the run and he was in need of food, money, warmth, and a car.

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The man also explained that while he was acquiring these items, he was going to tie her up in order to make sure she didn't try to escape.

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Sound familiar yet? No. Dolores complied and went to grab the keys to her vehicle, the man making small talk with her calmly the entire time.

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Eww. Creepy.

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After the man had the car keys, he handcuffed Dolores to a chair in her room and went about the house, seemingly making some food for himself even and gathering things he needed for his escape.

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Okay, that does sound a little familiar but okay, alright. I'm like making all these faces, like do not do not do that.

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After a while, the man walked out to the car to put the things in it and it seemed as though he was leaving.

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Unfortunately, this was his plan and he knew the entire time that he would return to Dolores and that she was not going to be left unharmed.

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What? So he took- wait, okay. Alright. Oh wait, oh wait.

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So he went to her house, told her this was his plan, but he didn't just have a change of heart before he left, he knew that he wasn't going to leave her unharmed the entire time but he just told her something different.

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So he left in the car?

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He went out to the car to put the things he had gathered in it and it seemed as though he was also leaving but then he returns.

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Content warning. The man returned to Dolores' bedroom and after rummaging through her things for a bit, he had come across a pair of her pantyhose.

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The man used the pantyhose and wrapped them around Dolores' neck, ultimately strangling her to death.

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After the man was sure that Dolores had passed, he wrapped her in a blanket and drug her body to her own car and placed her in the trunk of it.

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At this point, the man had, quote, snap back to re- snap back to reality.

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Oh my god. Jesus. That's hilarious.

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So at this point, the man had snapped back to reality and remembered that he actually had a prior commitment that he had left in order to commit this murder.

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So he knew he needed to return soon or risk being noticed as absent.

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He was like, oh, look at the time.

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After taking off from the house, the man dumped Dolores' body by a lake near Park City where he hid her body and the other evidence under some trees and headed back to her home to put her vehicle back.

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Every time you say something, I feel like that's a specific emo, but I also feel like in my mind, their emo is from different killers for some reason.

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You know, like the eating thing, like eating out of the fridge reminds me of the guy with the plates.

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Is it the guy with the plates?

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I think that's Golden State, but it's not him.

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Okay. Because he's the one that did couples.

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I think that's either Golden State or that's Kemper or something.

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It wasn't Kemper. It was the guy with the plate. You know how he had the balance plates and he would eat, make sandwiches.

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Okay, that's, I think that.

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But then I think the under the tree thing, I think like kind of like Andre Cicatillo where he would like leave bodies by rivers usually in parks and under trees.

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Well, he's already done him.

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No, I know. I know it's not him, but I'm just, I'm rocking my brain.

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So he returns back to Dolores' home in her vehicle.

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So this gets a little confusing.

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He had dumped her body with her own vehicle and brings it back.

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He had parked his own vehicle down the street in order to not be noticed.

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So he went back to his vehicle.

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And then he was going to return to her again to move the body to a final location.

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I think he was just trying to get her out without using his car out of the house and then he was going to use his car to...

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It's like, okay, first things first, like it's like a, like a priority list, right?

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Like get her out of the car so I can return the car to get back to my car.

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So my car is not noticed.

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And then go back and move her to a different location or cover her up somehow.

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So while he was getting all of the things he had stolen in the process into his vehicle,

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he realized that he was actually missing one of his guns and he didn't remember where it was.

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Dummy.

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The man realized that he must have dropped it in the process of this whole endeavor.

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Dummy.

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Where he found his gun lying on the floor by the back door where he had broken it.

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Dummy.

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Dummy.

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Now that it was really time for him to leave, he wiped the vehicle down for fingerprints,

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her vehicle, and threw the keys onto the roof of the house to get rid of them or just throw

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someone off if they tried to find it.

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Yeah. Literally. Literally. It was an accident.

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Yeah. So he returned to his own car again and then drove back to where he dumped Dolores'

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body in order to move it to the final location.

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Upon arriving at the body, he put her back into the trunk this time his own vehicle and

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drove to a secluded place under a bridge in Sedwick County where he dumped her body for good.

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Now I mentioned that this man had a prior commitment that he was needing to return to.

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The man left the scene and headed back to where he was needing to go, changing his clothes in the

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process. Where was he going, you ask? This is where you're going to find out who it is because

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I know you know this. Well, this man was returning to a Boy Scout camp where he was the troop leader.

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On top of this, he was also a husband, father, community asset, and even president of his church

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Okay, I know who it is.

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That's right. We're going to be talking about the infamous Dennis Raider, aka BTK.

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All of the goosebumps.

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I'm excited. I'm so excited now.

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Everyone take a deep breath.

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This is going to be a doozy.

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This is going to be a doozy.

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So I wanted to lie kind of lie out his last murder. So that was in detail his last murder,

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but we're going to go all the way back to when Dennis Lynn Raider was born.

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Dennis Lynn Raider was born on March 9th, 1945 in Pittsburgh, Kansas to William Eleven Raider

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and Dorothea May Cook. Dennis was the oldest of four sons, his younger brothers being Paul Raider,

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born in 1947, William Bill Raider, born in 1949, and Jeff Raider, born in 1955.

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Although he was born in Pittsburgh, Dennis and his brothers were raised in Wichita, Kansas.

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Wichita. Wichita. I love that name.

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Their father, William, was a member of the US Marine Corps, who later worked for the

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electricity utility KG and E after World War II, seemingly when they moved to Wichita.

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I actually couldn't find what his mom did for a living, but it did state that both of his parents

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worked very often, resulting in Dennis feeling neglected and ignored by them, especially his

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mother. And we'll definitely see that he ended up resenting her a lot for not being around a lot

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when he was a kid.

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What's the age difference between the brothers, I'm sorry?

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So he was born in 45, his youngest brother was born in 55. So it's like two to four year gaps

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between the age. So Dennis was said to have joined the Boy Scouts in his youth. Weird.

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And he attended Riverview Elementary School. He was also known to have participated in

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group activities in the local Lutheran Church because they were regulars. Although he had his

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extracurricular activities, Dennis was considered an average to below average student and extremely

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introverted. He was noted as being a withdrawn child in school. And it really doesn't surprise me

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due to the lack of attention he was getting at home. Kind of seems as though he was just used to

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being ignored. So he just like shut down, like on his own.

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Do you think like doing extracurricular activities kind of helped garden a little bit more attention

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for himself? Probably. Yeah. Like he was thinking, you know, the more I, the more active I am,

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the more people are going to notice. Yeah, probably. Now Dennis would later admit that he

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actually began developing fantasies about domination, bondage, and torture at a very early age in

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grade school. So I have no idea where this, like it seemingly comes out of nowhere.

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Control maybe? Oh, probably. Yeah, definitely. Well, duh. But I mean, you know what I mean? Like,

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but at a young age, right? You would feel like you have to be exposed to that.

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Yes. But now, if we think about it, there was, we know there was neglect in the household,

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but there's also three other very young boys living in that home who didn't develop these

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feelings and ideas. So why was he special? Well, they didn't become kidding me.

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They didn't become BTK. Upon his later arrest, Dr. Tony Rourke, a forensic psychologist,

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evaluated Dennis and commented on why he believes something happened really early on in Dennis's

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life that quote spawned the BTK killer. His statement said quote, if Raider was completely

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honest, which he is not, I am sure that we would find some sort of childhood event that Raider

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immediately associated with feelings of sexuality. Somehow very early on, Raider encountered an event

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where he immediately linked sexual pleasure with watching a living creature suffer and die.

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And after that first encounter, Raider probably began to work very hard to nurture those feelings.

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Like in Boy Scouts or probably hunting had anything to do with it or camping.

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but it's also a lot of nature. He probably already had some skewed psyche that those things

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caused him to kind of go to bed. Because obviously not all Boy Scouts turn out to be

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chill. No, of course. Yeah, exactly. Like you said, but maybe he already had certain types of

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feelings like maybe some type of eroticism or something like that in his head. And then when

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he's surrounded by boys and they're doing hunting and things like that, maybe something clicked or

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something. Yeah, because I'm not saying that all young boys do that. My boy is a sweetheart.

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He would never. He would never. But it's like ants in a magnifying glass. You know what I mean?

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Things like that. At a certain age though, we've talked about this before that people grow out of

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that feeling of like when they finally realize that they're actually hurting a living creature,

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they stop. And some people don't. And some people that don't are killers later in life. It's just

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you know, a fact. Yeah, whether or not you develop that emotion or that empathy or whatever.

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to develop these horrific fantasies, it's unknown because he's just never admitted to anything like

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that happening. Dr. Ruark was not the only psychologist to evaluate and comment on Dennis's

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younger years. Dr. Terrence G. Leary, who helps lead the largest non-governmental serial killer

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database in the world, it's actually called Radford slash FGCU Serial Killer Research.

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Dr. Leary made several comments on what he thinks of Dennis's childhood, making him into the infamous

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BTK killer. In an interview about the subject, Leary stated that Dennis's method of torture

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and murder are a sign of someone who was regularly exposed to quote, horrific abuse.

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Hmm. Leary went on to say quote, Dennis Rader has been an enigma to many of us in the field,

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because I don't think the people who claim to be experts are regarding Dennis. And I'll tell you why.

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They say he was the squeaky clean oldest of four boys, very traditional parents, traditional family,

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went to school, did the right things, etc. So there were no clues. According to Leary,

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there actually were clues that others had not seen. He stated that even if no one knew about his

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animal cruelty as a kid, he still showed plenty signs of antisocial behavior. So that is the

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that is the clue. So content warning, this next part has to do with animals. Dennis would later

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admit that he had a history of animal abuse as a child, and he decided to act out these horrific

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fantasies on them first. He would frequently kill cats and dogs via hanging, which seemed to be

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his favorite way of torture and control as a child. It's awful. Once Dennis reached his pubic years,

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he began fantasizing about tying up girls and having his way with them. He would say that his

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fantasies were quote, almost like a picture show, and that he wanted to direct and produce them in

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real life. It's terrifying. Like snuffles? Yeah. In fact, he recalled that the mousekeeper Annette

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Funicello from the original Mickey Mouse Club was one of his favorite subjects for imaginary

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bondage. What? Gross. If I was her, I'd be like, like, I don't know that, right? I know that.

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Was he also the one that was, no, who was about Jodie Foster? Somebody else was really about Jodie

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Foster. I don't know. I think it was Chapman, the one that killed John Lennon. I'm pretty sure it was.

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I don't know. He thought that Jodie Foster had told him to kill John Lennon.

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I'm sorry, I don't know. Listeners, if you remember, I'm pretty sure it was John Chapman.

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Yeah, actually, I think there's a family guy skit about that, actually, that I think about.

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Yeah, like he thought Jodie, like I said, that Jodie Foster told him to kill John Lennon. That's

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weird. That's like schizophrenia, I think. Yeah, for sure. On top of the obvious antisocial behavior

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in Strange Fantasies, of course, remember he has a resentment for his mom. A forensic scientist by

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the name of Dr. Catherine Ramsland was able to interview Dennis for an episode of a TV show,

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and Dennis admitted some things to her as well. According to this interview, Dennis told Ramsland,

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quote, I got along real well with dad, but mom wasn't always so happy. I've always loved her.

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I still love her greatly. But I did have a little, a little bit of a grudge against mama.

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That's a quote. A little bit of a grudge against her.

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Ramsland went on to tell a story of Dennis's that he believes may have contributed to his

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future terrorism of women. Ramsland stated, quote, when he was young, his mother's

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mother. His mother. His mother. His mother. Quote, when he was young, his mother's ring

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got caught on a couch spring, and she couldn't get her hand out. She apparently was terrified and

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told him to go get help. And he felt the first stirrings of a rousal over this. It was exciting

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to him to see a woman helpless. And it was the beginning of his ideas about women that he wanted

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from them was to keep them trapped and helpless and looking to him in terror. That became imprinted

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in his mind and became the image he was always after. Well, looking to him like help for help and

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attention, like you have the power. Yeah, you have no other choice but to look at me for attention

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and help. Yeah. Lastly, Dr. Leary stated that if Dennis was ignored as a child, it may have led to

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this need for attention. Just like you said, are you a doctor? I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. I'm the

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doctor. Quote, he is also narcissistic. The very, very strong need to be recognized. The other

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factor here is in family situations, he was the oldest and the oldest is the guinea pig.

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Can you attest to that? Yes, absolutely. That is 100% accurate. You can ask Trish to.

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Quote, the parents could have behaved very differently towards him than they did the others.

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I've seen that in cases and the other kids are spared some of the discipline and hard

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behavior apparently sometimes. That's true. So like I said, around pubic age, Dennis began

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thinking about acting at his fantasies on young women. It was at this time that he also started

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cutting out female pictures from magazines and would draw ropes and gags on the pictures and

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actually pasted them onto index cards that he would carry around with him in his pockets.

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What? That is so gross. I feel like what the fuck you got there, Den? I'm laughing at the

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ridiculousness. Yeah. And how old was he at this point? This was probably 14, 15. Dennis also

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admitted that he would get sexually aroused when he was spanked as a child and when he would see

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chickens waiting to get slaughtered. Where was he hanging out? Maybe they had chickens at their

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house. Yeah, they had the chickens. I mean they're in Kansas. That's true. He was also sexually

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excited when reading about notorious serial killers and he would frequently read his father's

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book about the lonely hearts killers, Raymond Fernandez and Martha Beck. Damn. We've talked

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about them. If you haven't listened to that episode, listen to it because we've talked about them and

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it's wild that that connected. Yeah. It was a wild case to research for sure. Definitely. It was an

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interesting story. He even admitted to masturbating while reading this book. Gross. What? He's

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masturbating because of their crimes and like she's not a good looking lady. He definitely wasn't

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a good looking lady. She was laughing. She was from people. He looked like she was from

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being nine of the light living dead. No, literally. He was terrible. Yeah. He was creepy, sleazy looking.

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He looked like the wolf cartoon from like tech savory. Oh my god. It was like that one.

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On top of these things, he would fantasize about tying women to train tracks and engaged in

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autoerotic asphyxiation, also spying on his female neighbors. It's incredibly dangerous. He was also

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known to dress himself in women's clothing and bind things around his neck in order to increase

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the reality of the fantasy. This occurred throughout his middle school experience and into high school

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as well. Oh my god. It gets worse. It gets worse. It was also at this time that Dennis recalled

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first referring to his penis as Sparky, which is disgusting. It's so gross. Why give it a dog's name?

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When he would orgasm, do you want to know what he called it? What? Sparky big time.

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Sparky big time. So gross. That is so disgusting. Why give it a dog's name?

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I guess you couldn't call it Douglas. I don't know. Douglas big time.

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Douglas big time. His name is Charles. Charles big time. Charles big time, you know?

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All right. Jesus. Okay. He's just such like an anomaly. Like he's a bumbling idiot.

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He is. He's a dummy. He's proven it. Classmates that knew him per...

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He said it so seriously. Classmates that knew him personally would describe him as quiet and

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polite, but he preferred to keep to himself. One friend of his stated that he completely

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lacked a sense of humor and was studious and focused. Yeah, that's called lack of empathy.

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That's dangerous. Yeah. He was also described as a person who thought through his words before

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speaking and he would also give you his full attention as you spoke. Very stoic. That's kind

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of... Well, I don't say that's kind of creepy. I mean, whatever. That's nice. Yeah. Dennis graduated

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from Wichita High School in 1963 and quickly got a job at a grocery store. It wasn't until

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two years later in 1965 that Dennis got accepted to Kansas Westland College in Salina, which was

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far enough away from Wichita to move out of the family home. However, he only lasted two semesters

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there and in the summer of 1966, at the age of 21, Dennis decided to join the Air Force.

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Dennis was sent to Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas. Shut up. I swear to God.

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Shut up. I swear to God. Shut up right now. For basic training. No. He was here. He was here.

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And so were mom and dad. They were both here at that time too. Well, dad was probably in Corpus,

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but still. What year? 66. Yeah, he was in Corpus. Mom was here though.

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No. He was only 16. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He spent some time at Shepherd Air Force Base in Wichita

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Falls, Texas after this and did technical training there. In early 1967, Dennis was stationed at

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Berkeley Air Force Base in Mobile, Alabama. And there was so that's so mobile. And he was there

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until around January of 1968. This is when he was sent to Caden Air Force Base in Okinawa,

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West Pacific, where he remained for six months. In July of 1968, he was moved to mainland Japan,

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stationed at the Tachikawa Air Base near Tokyo, where he remained there until the end of his

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service in 1970. According to Dennis, he also spent time in Korea, Greece, and Turkey while in

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the Air Force. He was like down surrounding the whole world. He could have done something cool

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with it. I know. During his four years in the Air Force, Dennis attained the rank of sergeant

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and worked in the installation of antenna systems and repairing wires. He was known as just one of

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the guys and sort of blended in. He also received the Air Force Good Conduct Medal, the Small Arms

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Expert Marksmanship Ribbon, and the National Defense Service Medal. He also later confessed to

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peeking through blinds to watch women undress and even breaking into some homes to steal their

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undergarments on occasion during the entire time he was in the military. Surprise, surprise. So it's

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like all these great things. And then he, oh by the way, he confessed to all this. He's such a great guy.

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Yeah. But he feels panty. He's a panty raider. He's a panty raider. Dennis panty raider.

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He was discharged from active service in 1970 and returned home to Wichita, Kansas, where he

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spent two more years in the reserves. Once back home, he moved to a suburb in Park City, just seven

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miles north of Wichita. Here he got a job in a meat department at the local IGA. During this time,

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Dennis also reconnected with a girl from high school by the name of Paula Dietz, a fellow church

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goer and bookkeeper at the IGA. At this point, Dennis was 26 years old and Paula was 23. The two

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would marry on May 22nd of 1971, like six months after they reconnected. What? In 1972, Dennis left

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the grocery store and went to work at the Coleman Company, a manufacturer of camping supplies.

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He lasted 13 months at this job. And during this time, Dennis decided it best for him to return to

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college. So he enrolled in Butler Community College in El Dorado and actually earned his

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associate's degree in electronics in 1973. He also got a job at Cessna for a small period of time,

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but he was let go during the same year and fell back into his old ways and dark thoughts. So he's

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has like all these different work experiences not lasting for very long. Seems like a very quick guy.

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What was his beard's name? His beard. Sparky big time. Oh, his wife. Paula. Paula, okay. We're

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Paula. All right. We're gonna root for Paula. Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. All right. Somehow, he got his

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head on straight and enrolled at Wichita State University in the same fall with dreams of becoming

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a police officer. Later that year, on November 30th, 1973, the couple welcomed their first child,

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Brian. A couple of months later in January of 1974, Dennis was still in between jobs and getting bored.

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Paula was working at the VA hospital in Wichita at the same time, but she had trouble driving

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through snow and ice. And since it was winter, Dennis frequently drove her to work. It's kind of nice.

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Although he would take this opportunity of her being out of the house and him being out of the

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house in another city to do what he called trolling. Trolling. And not the internet thing. No,

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trolling. Stocking. Stocking. Okay, stalking. This consisted of him driving or walking around

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certain neighborhoods or school campuses in order to observe women, where he would single one of

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them out and use their image as the main focus of his fantasy. This is the first time in a

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mentioned that he came up with the infamous BTK name standing for bind them, torture them, kill

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them. He came up with that? Oh, he, oh, I didn't know that. I thought it was like a newspaper

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thing. He sends a letter to the newspaper and gives them like 10 different choices for what

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they're going to call him. It's fucking hysterical. I'm going to go through that. Don't worry.

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All right. All right. Because we've got to make fun of this idiot. Also, if it was bind them, torture

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them, kill them, it should be BTTTKT. Not BTK. Fuckin idiot. Sometimes he would plan to hide

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in a women's back seats while they were in the grocery store shopping, but he never acted on it.

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Oh my gosh. Could you imagine? I can't even imagine. No, yeah, that's terrifying. And like in the

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70s, like they don't have the locks and the alerts that they do now. Like in cars, like it's probably

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pretty easy to get in. Yeah, you can actually lock your car all the time. Exactly. This frequent

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trolling, however, was giving him the urge to act on his feelings and he was running out of patience.

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That's like, you know, when we've talked about addiction and things like that on one of our

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mental breakdowns and how you're always chasing that first high, you know, so it's like, starts out

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with a little bit of stalking, a little bit of, you know, whatever. And then you just eventually

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escalate so bad because it's not satisfying anymore. It's like doing drugs. Like you do a little bit

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and then you have to do more and more and more and more. You do it because your body gets used to it.

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Living in a three bedroom farmhouse with his wife, child, and their dog, they seemed like the perfect

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all-American family to everyone around them. Dennis had gotten a new job with ADT and during

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this same year, security company, yep, yep, what? How do you think he broke into people's houses?

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That's like a, like a serial stabber that like sells those door to door like Japanese times.

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During the same year of 1974, a new family of Hispanic origin moved in across the street from

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the Raiders by the last name Otero. I mentioned that they were Hispanic because Dennis particularly

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had an interest in Hispanic women. Among the Otero family living across the street were Dad,

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Joseph, 38, Mom, Julie, 34, 11 year old Josephine, and nine year old Joe. Joe, what were their names?

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Joseph, Julie, Josephine, and Joe. Oh my God, that's so cute. One day while dropping Paula off at

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work, Dennis noticed the new family, specifically Julie and Josephine. He began to put a plan

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together in his mind, watching them both very closely for about two weeks. During this time,

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he was putting together a kit consisting of a gun, knives, cords, and various tools to break

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into the home. He would also watch to make sure that he knew the family's schedule and when

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they were coming and going from the house. So scary. Based on what he learned from watching them,

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he decided he would break into their home and carry out his plan, 11 year old Josephine being

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the main target. I know. Just a baby. On the morning of January 15th, 1974, Dennis decided it was time

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to put his plan into action. At around 8 20 a.m. Dennis made his way to the Otero house and entered

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the backyard. Once in the backyard, Dennis cut the main phone line to the home so nobody would be able

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to call for help once he entered. No, it's creepy. Thinking that Julie and Josephine would be the

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only ones home at the time, Dennis walked up to the back door. He later recalled thinking about

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Josephine during this time and stating that she quote, looked like she was made for SBT.

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What's SBT? Sparky big time, of course. Gross. That's so gross. Fucking disgusting. That is so

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gross. Oh my god. He's literally such a monster. So thinking that Julie and Josephine would be the

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only ones in the home, Dennis was shocked when he entered the home and immediately saw Joseph and

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Joey were also still there. Dennis did not let the fact that there were four people in the home

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rather than two that he anticipated stop him. He pulled his gun out and pointed it at the family

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in order to control their actions. In addition to the family being in the home, their family dog

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was as well. And he of course began barking uncontrollably at the intruder. Dennis ordered Joey

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to put the dog outside at gunpoint. He told the family that he was a criminal on the run, and he

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was in need of money, food, and a car to escape. Also, you're a dumbass because you literally live

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across the street from them. You think they've never fucking seen you before? I guess not. Well,

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they're also new. That's true. He might have just hidden himself. At first, Joseph was confused,

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and at one point even asked if this was a prank set up by his brother-in-law, which is really sad.

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Using a cold, calm, and collected demeanor, Dennis was able to convince the family that this was

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indeed not a joke. And he meant them no harm and was going to leave once he had these items.

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Dennis knew he had other intentions, in fact, as he did go in with the intention of harming the

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little girl. Dennis told the family to lie down in the living room, but quickly changed his mind

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and sent them all up to a bedroom instead, and tied the entire family up. Dennis later explained

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that the father, Joseph, has stated that he had recently been in a car accident and he was suffering

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from a cracked rib. This being the case, Dennis tried to make Joseph as comfortable as possible

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while tying him up. Because that makes sense. That's weird. Content warning. Unfortunately,

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Dennis had other things he wanted, and after he grabbed the things he stated, he placed a bag over

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Joseph's head, who immediately began to fight very hard, actually tearing holes in the bag in the

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process. In response to this, Dennis grabbed a cord he had brought with him and strangled the father

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to death. Dennis stated what happened at this point in a later interview with the statement,

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quote, the whole family just panicked on me. I worked pretty quick. So they were in the same room

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when that happened? That's awful. He went on, quote, I strangled Mrs. Otero. She passed out. I

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thought she was dead. I strangled Josephine. She passed out. I thought she was dead. Then I went

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over and put a bag over Junior's head. Unfortunately, the first attempt to strangle Julie was not

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successful, and she ended up waking up after a short period of time. She allegedly begged Dennis

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to not kill her children and was noted as saying, quote, God have mercy on your soul. Dennis, being

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the piece of shit that he was, grabbed nine year old Joey and led him into his own bedroom, where he

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killed him via strangulation and suffocation. Apparently, Joey rolled off the bed at one point,

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causing him to land face down on the floor as Dennis left the room. Dennis then came back into

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the room with a chair where he sat while he waited for the little boy to die. He just sat there and

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watched him. That's awful. After both parents and young Joey were gone, Dennis went to get his main

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target, 11 year old Josephine. I'm sorry, I really don't believe that he strangled the mom and the

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daughter and then thought they were dead. Yeah. I really don't. I think he was probably trying to

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get them to a point and then stop. Yeah. It's really, really bad. He stated that he again

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attempted to strangle her as well, but the first attempt did not work as she came to shortly after.

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This next part is very bad. I'm going to put a huge content warning on this. If you don't want to

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hear about young children being gruesomely murdered, then skip past like five minutes, probably.

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Just to be safe. Just to be safe. After this failed attempt, Dennis explained that he forced the

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little girl down to the basement where he put a noose around her neck. He informed her that she

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would now be joining her family in heaven. He asked Josephine if the family had a camera to which

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she replied that they did not. Dennis proceeded to tie her up and recounted that he masturbated

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while she died. Investigators later finding semen on a pipe behind her. So it seemed like that actually

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happened. When asked later why he did this to the little girl, his response was, quote, I thought

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it would be interesting to watch her die. He also later stated that he made the decision to quote,

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00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,040
put them down after realizing he was not wearing a mask to cover his identity.

384
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,520
Yeah, that's the afterthought for sure. Yeah. Dennis went back upstairs to clean up a bit and

385
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:15,480
steal some more things from the home, including Joseph's watch and a small radio. He grabbed the

386
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,360
family car keys and pulled out to the cross street erratically, where he nearly got in a wreck with

387
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:26,520
an oncoming vehicle. He drove to a nearby supermarket and parked the car. A lady that was

388
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:32,120
close by later testified that she saw Dennis exit the vehicle and he was reportedly, quote,

389
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:40,040
shaking like a leaf. Fucking pussy. Sorry. He then tossed the car keys onto the roof of the

390
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:47,720
supermarket and exited the area on foot. No one fucking saw that. Throwing car keys onto her roof.

391
00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:52,680
Like a fucking busy fucking supermarket. It's like 9am. There's people there.

392
00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:59,240
He walked back to his own vehicle, but when he arrived and was getting his things in order,

393
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:05,160
he realized that one of his knives was missing. God, this guy is so dumb. This fucking idiot.

394
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:10,680
This guy is so dumb. Decides he needs to go to receive, retrieve the knife in order to not get

395
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,840
caught because he can't leave it at the scene of the crime. Yeah, he can leave his jizz there,

396
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:21,400
but not a knife. Okay. So he drives his own vehicle back to the house. Whoopsies, gotta go.

397
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:27,560
And gets back into the backyard where he finds the knife right next to where he cut the phone wires.

398
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:34,520
He dropped it like first thing. It was like that was right when he got there. It's just like

399
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,080
as smart as Dennis thought he was. While surveying the family across the street,

400
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:49,640
he failed to notice that they had three other children. What? 13 year old Carmen,

401
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,040
14 year old Daniel, and 15 year old Charlie were all at school during this attack.

402
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:01,800
What? Unfortunately, when the oldest child Charlie returned home from school,

403
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,240
he walked into the horrible scene left behind by Dennis Rader. That's so sad.

404
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:11,080
15 year old Charlie later recalled, quote, I ran down the hall, went into their bedroom,

405
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:16,200
and saw my mother on the bed, my father on the floor, and my heart just got ripped out of my chest.

406
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,280
My life changed instantly. That's so sad. I know. It's like so awful.

407
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,640
Like talk about survivor's guilt. Yeah. At least there was three of them left,

408
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,560
rather than just one, but still like I can't even fucking imagine. It's hard enough to like

409
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:38,280
lose a family member, but like to lose so many. Yeah, all at once. And then, but you know, like

410
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,800
there was a few cases where stuff is happened to a family and like one child to survive. Yeah.

411
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,680
Imagine like being the only child that survived. No parents. Like that's awful. Well, even this

412
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,400
15 year old Charlie, he immediately has to become like the man of the house now. He has two younger

413
00:36:53,400 --> 00:37:00,360
siblings that are going to have to depend on him. Right. Okay. I'm sad. I hated that. Yeah.

414
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,920
In April of the same year, 1974, so this is just a few months later, Dennis began stalking a 21 year

415
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:12,520
old woman by the name of Catherine Bright after his trolling when he came across her entering her

416
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:18,680
home in Wichita. He learned her schedule similarly to the family and he devised his plan. On April

417
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,560
4th, Dennis went to Catherine's home at a time that he knew she was not there and broken to the

418
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,680
back door. Once inside, he hid in a bathroom and waited for Catherine to return home.

419
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:35,640
Around 2pm, Catherine returned home. What Dennis was not anticipating, however, was that Catherine

420
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:43,320
would not be alone. Dumbass. Instead, she arrived home with her 19 year old little brother, Kevin.

421
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,520
Kevin did not live with Catherine. However, they had gone to the bank together earlier that day

422
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,240
and had been running errands. So he happened to be with her on this day. Once the two were inside,

423
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:58,680
Dennis decided to carry out his plan anyway. He startled the two by emerging from the bathroom

424
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:07,160
and producing a gun, which he was pointing at them, saying quote, hold it right there.

425
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:23,480
He used the same excuse he used with the Otero family. He was a criminal on the run from California

426
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:29,240
to New York and he needed a car and money. He then forced the two into a back bedroom where he

427
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:35,640
states he pointed a gun at Kevin and had Kevin tie Catherine up. Other sources stated that Dennis

428
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:41,640
tied Catherine up rather than Kevin doing it. After Catherine was tied up, Dennis attempted to

429
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:46,680
tie Kevin up in a different room. However, he was not anticipating there being another person in the

430
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:51,880
house so he did not bring enough materials that he needed. Dummy. This being the case, Dennis had

431
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:57,320
to improvise and use materials he found in the home. Because of this, Kevin was actually able to get

432
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:03,480
free and when Dennis returned to strangle him, Kevin fought him for the gun, nearly succeeding

433
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:09,960
in taking it away from him. Content warning. During the struggle, Dennis got a hold of the

434
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:16,360
gun again and shot directly at Kevin, hitting him in the face. Kevin lunged at Dennis once again

435
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,960
and tried to overpower him. But while doing so, Dennis shot Kevin once more in the head.

436
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:28,280
Bad bitch. Bad bitch alert. Yeah. Kevin at this point was of course bleeding and stunned and he

437
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:33,160
seemed to be dead or at least incapacitated at this point. Dennis figured Kevin would not make it

438
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:38,760
much longer so he headed into the other room where Catherine was tied up. Similarly to her brother,

439
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,240
Catherine put up a huge fight against Dennis when he attempted to strangle her. When he realized

440
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:47,240
that this was taking longer than he thought and already freaked out from the gunshots,

441
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:51,800
he decided it would be faster to stab Catherine multiple times. Then shooting her?

442
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,440
Yeah. Because he actually didn't want to make another noise at the gunshot. Oh, I see. I see.

443
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,920
Faster than trying to strangle her is what he was saying. Yeah. Unfortunately, Dennis stabbed

444
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:06,200
Catherine multiple times to the abdomen and other areas, inflicting deep cuts in multiple places.

445
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:12,760
What Dennis did not know, however, was that Kevin was very much still alive and during the end of

446
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:19,640
this struggle, he had run out of the house screaming for help from neighbors. What? Dennis noticed that

447
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:25,080
Kevin was gone and decided he needed to get the fuck out of there as well. Dennis ran from the

448
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:32,040
scene on foot, getting to his vehicle multiple blocks away and drove off hastily. He went home

449
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:37,560
and cleaned himself up, somehow not being seen by anybody around and not arousing any suspicion

450
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:43,160
from his wife when he went to pick her up from work. Oh, Paula. Due to Kevin's attempt to get help,

451
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,400
police arrived at the home and quickly rushed him and his sister to the hospital. Did they both

452
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,880
survive? Unfortunately, Catherine had succumbed to her injuries and died a few hours later,

453
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:57,800
despite multiple blood transfusions and surgery. Kevin was in critical condition due to his head

454
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,600
wounds, but he ultimately survived the attack. Wow. Later telling investigators that the man

455
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:09,640
who attacked him and murdered his sister was, quote, an average-sized guy, bushy mustache, psychotic eyes.

456
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:20,120
Literally. I know. Psychotic eyes. I know. Although that was a lead on the case,

457
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:26,680
police had nothing else to go on and Dennis continued to be at large. About six months went by with no

458
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:33,160
movement from this killer, while Dennis somehow managed to refrain from killing and focus on school.

459
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,960
Well, due to his narcissism, he could not stand the idea that nobody was looking in his direction,

460
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:45,400
so he decided to take action to get himself noticed. In October of 1974, Wichita Eagle

461
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,680
newspaper editor Don Granger received a phone call informing him of a two-page,

462
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,160
handwritten letter in an engineering book in the Wichita Public Library.

463
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,600
What? An engineering book already? He's like, this is what I do for a living.

464
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,400
This is what I do for a living, by the way. Literally. Last checked out by Dennis Rader.

465
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:06,120
Name's on it.

466
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,720
Dumbass. Honestly, like, I wouldn't be surprised.

467
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:24,120
Dummy. Granger immediately informed police and they received the letter, which described the

468
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:29,560
killings of the Otero family in great detail that could only have been known by the killer himself.

469
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,800
The letter included things like the type of knots the killer used, what clothes the family wore,

470
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,920
how the bodies were left, and what things were taken from the home.

471
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:44,520
He mentioned that he took the father's watch and the boy's radio, stating, quote,

472
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:50,760
I needed one, so I took it. Runs good. Like, can you be so much more cringy?

473
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:56,520
No, he sounds like a comic book villain. It's like, it's runs with. It sounds like Rorschach.

474
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,640
The police kept the letter a secret for months in order to not let the killer know that he had been

475
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,880
heard, making him more mad. Because he's like, oh my god, they haven't put my letter, oh my god.

476
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,320
And then he probably went back to the library and checked it. It was gone. He's gone. Oh my god,

477
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,120
they haven't even said anything? How dare they? Who last checked out this book? They must have taken it.

478
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,960
However, the letter also stated that the killer was stalking his next victim,

479
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:25,240
preparing to kill again. So months had gone by with no movement from police.

480
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:30,440
When a 26-year-old editor from the Wichita Sun newspaper by the name of Kathy Henkel

481
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:36,440
obtained a copy of it from a trusted source, and decided it best for the letter to become public.

482
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:41,400
I mean, the police are actively trying to keep this a secret and not be public, and she's like,

483
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,640
oh, I got it from a trusted source. Just post it for everyone to see.

484
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,280
Just post it on my Ices.

485
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,080
She published a story about the letter and how the killer was planning on killing again,

486
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,080
and that the police were trying to keep it private.

487
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,360
Good for her.

488
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,880
Yeah. Among other things in the letter, Dennis wrote, quote,

489
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:03,640
those three dude you have in custody are just talking to get publicity. I didn't misspoke,

490
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:08,360
he wrote dude instead of dudes because he's a dumbass. Also included in the letter,

491
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,760
a chilling excerpt with poor grammar. Bear with me here.

492
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:13,960
So he said he sounds like Rorschach.

493
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:24,760
Quote, when this monster enter my brain, I will never know. But it here to stay sounds like a caveman.

494
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,520
When monster into brain, it here to stay.

495
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,880
I'm not going to be able to get through this. Sorry, no, it's okay.

496
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:36,120
Okay.

497
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,800
A friend of mine was on Bumble, and there was a guy that was like, me like, gun.

498
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,840
There's something like that. We laughed so hard.

499
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:44,360
It here to stay.

500
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,800
He literally sounds like a caveman. Okay.

501
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:55,160
Quote, when this monster enter my brain, I will never know. But it here to stay.

502
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,200
Just leave it all.

503
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,400
Society can be thankful with two L's that there are.

504
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:03,320
So there's more.

505
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,440
Oh, there's way more.

506
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,840
That's why I'm like, I'm not going to be able to get through this.

507
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,960
Oh, no.

508
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:16,920
Quote, society can be thankful that there are ways for people like me to relieve myself at time by daydreams of some victim being torture and being mine.

509
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,720
It a big complicated game.

510
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:29,960
My friend of the monster play putting victims number down, follow them, checking up on them, waiting in the dark, waiting, waiting, dot, dot, dot.

511
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:35,960
Maybe you can stop him. I can't. He has already chosen his next victim.

512
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,960
Okay. It's like scary, but it's like also kind of fucking hilarious or dumb.

513
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,600
Do you think he's doing it on purpose so it sounds like somebody who's pumping anything?

514
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:52,360
Towards the end of the letter, the sentence quote, I did it myself with no one's help.

515
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:59,720
P.S. Since sex criminals do not change their M.O. or by nature cannot do so, I will not change mine.

516
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:06,120
The code words for me will be, bind them, torture them, kill them, B, T, K.

517
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,120
At least you can spell that.

518
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:17,080
What is it? It just reminds me of it. Is it the eradicator? It's like from kids in the hall?

519
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:17,720
Oh, no.

520
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:20,280
It's just like coming up with your own name like that?

521
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,280
Oh, no. It gets way worse.

522
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,280
Somehow a few years went by with no killings from Dennis at all.

523
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,280
A few years?

524
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:33,240
It wasn't until March 17, 1977 that he decided to begin stalking another victim.

525
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:35,240
So this has been almost three years.

526
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:40,040
At first he was stalking a specific woman he saw while trolling on a nearby campus,

527
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,680
but when he went to her house, she was not at home.

528
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,080
And Dennis later stated that he did not want to quote, waste his opportunity.

529
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,080
So he settled for another victim.

530
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,080
I guess I'll just settle.

531
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,080
He saw another woman with her son nearby and decided that she was next.

532
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,080
With her son?

533
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:03,480
This time Dennis did not sneak into the back of the home, but instead he walked right up to the front door and knocked.

534
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,480
Cool.

535
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:10,680
The five-year-old boy, Steve Relford, unwillingly let Dennis into the home after opening the door for him.

536
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,880
A kid looks through the window and sees somebody. They may or may not know they're going to open the door.

537
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,880
It's true.

538
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,880
Inside, 26-year-old Shirley Vane and her three children.

539
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,880
Three kids? Oh my gosh.

540
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,680
Instead of taking all of the family members and tying them up like he had done in the past,

541
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:34,680
Dennis locked the three children into the bathroom and proceeded to bind Shirley's arms with tape.

542
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,680
Content warning.

543
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,680
So you leave the kids alone?

544
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,680
He then placed a plastic bag over her head and tied a rope around her neck to strangle her.

545
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,680
After Shirley was deceased, Dennis ransacked the home and took off on foot.

546
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,680
Eventually the three children escaped from the bathroom and contacted authorities.

547
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,680
They were okay.

548
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,680
Well, yeah.

549
00:47:54,680 --> 00:48:00,680
In a later interview, Steve, five years old at the time, stated that he is still haunted by seeing his mother, quote,

550
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:08,680
face down with a plastic bag over her head, a rope tied around her neck, all the fingers in her hand broken,

551
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,680
and her hands taped behind her back.

552
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,680
Oh, that's so sad.

553
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:21,680
Later that year, in December of 1977, Dennis had been trolling yet again in a neighborhood and noticed a 25-year-old woman by the name of Nancy Fox entering her home.

554
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:29,680
After doing, quote, a little homework, as he later called it, on where she worked, who she was, her schedule, etc.,

555
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,680
he broke into her home, tied her up, and strangled her to death with a pair of her stockings.

556
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:42,680
The next day, surprisingly, Dennis called 911 to anonymously report her homicide, simply stating, quote,

557
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:48,680
you will find a homicide, 843 South Pershing Nancy Fox, and hung up the phone.

558
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,680
Why is he like this?

559
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:51,680
He wants to get caught.

560
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,680
Because of the attention. It's the attention.

561
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:54,680
Exactly.

562
00:48:54,680 --> 00:49:04,680
The following month, January 1978, Dennis sent an index card to the Wichita Eagle, the same newspaper that had released the letters years earlier, with a poem written on it.

563
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:10,680
It read, quote, Shirley locks, Shirley locks, wilt thou be mine.

564
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:20,680
Thinking that this poem was in relation to Valentine's Day and unaware that it was linked to Shirley Vane, the woman that he killed in March of 77 with the three kids.

565
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:25,680
The newspaper filed the postcard away in the classified department and thought nothing of it.

566
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,680
Oh, okay. So they didn't run it like it was like a Valentine's Day thing.

567
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:30,680
No.

568
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,680
Okay. I thought that was what you were going to say. Like they put it in the newspaper thinking it was like a romantic poem.

569
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:35,680
So cute.

570
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:44,680
Well, I mean, you know, they had like male male seeking women and women seeking men and the classifies becoming upset that there was no response to his index card letter.

571
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:53,680
On February 10th, 1978, Dennis sent yet another letter this time to Wichita TV station, K A K E.

572
00:49:53,680 --> 00:50:03,680
The letter is as follows and it is hard to listen to. So content warning, quote, I find the newspaper not writing about the poem on Vane.

573
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:18,680
It's amazing. A little paragraph would have would have enough. I know it not the media fault. The police chief, he keeps things quiet and don't doesn't let the public know they're a psycho running around loose strangling mostly women.

574
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,680
There's seven in the ground who will be next.

575
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,680
He goes on.

576
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:29,680
How many do I have to kill before I get a name in the paper or some national attention?

577
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:38,680
Do the cop think that all those deaths are not related? Golly G. Yes, the MO is different in each. But look, a pattern is developing.

578
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:47,680
The victims are tie up most have been women phone cut, bring some bondage matter, sadist tendencies, no struggle.

579
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:55,680
Outside the death spot, no witness except the veins kids. They were very lucky. A phone call saved them.

580
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,680
He continues.

581
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:10,680
I was going to tape the boys and put plastic bag over their head like I did Joseph and Shirley and then hang the girl. God, oh God, what a beautiful sexual relief that would have been.

582
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,680
This next part's bad.

583
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:29,680
Josephine when I hung her really turned me on her pleading for mercy. Then the rope took whole. She helpless staring at me with wide terror fill eyes. The rope getting tighter. You don't understand these things because you're not under the influence of factor X.

584
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:44,680
The same thing that made son of Sam Jack the Ripper, Havery Galtman, Boston Strangler, Dr. H H Holmes, Panny Ho Strangler of Florida, Hillside Strangler, Ted of the West Coast and many more infamous character kill.

585
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,680
Side note, Ted of the West Coast is a hilarious name for Ted Bundy. Just saying.

586
00:51:48,680 --> 00:52:05,680
Ted of the West. Ted of the West. It continues. Quote. Which seems senseless, but we cannot help it. There is no help, no cure, except death or being caught and put away. It a terrible nightmare, but you see I don't lose any sleep over it.

587
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:20,680
After a thing like Fox, I come home and go about life like anyone else, and I will be like that until the urge hit me again. It not continuous and I don't have a lot of time. It take time to set a kill, one mistake and it all over.

588
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:35,680
Since I about blew it on the phone, handwriting is out, letter guide is too long and typewriter can be traced to. My short poem of death and maybe a drawing. Later on, real picture and maybe a tape of the sound will come your way.

589
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:40,680
So he's saying like I'm not getting attention from what I'm doing now, so I might as well kick it up a notch and send you a video.

590
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,680
Yeah, send you a video or an audio recording.

591
00:52:43,680 --> 00:53:01,680
Quote. How will you know me before a murder or murders you will receive a copy of the initials BTK. You keep that copy. The original will show up someday on guess who may you not be the unlucky one.

592
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,680
This is the part where he gives them options for his new nickname because BTK is not working.

593
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:07,680
PS.

594
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,680
Oh, you don't like that? We could try out some other things.

595
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:25,680
Quote. PS. How about some name for me? It's time. Seven down and many more to go. I like the following. How about you? The BTK strangler, Wichita strangler, the poetic strangler.

596
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:26,680
Oh, he's so poetic.

597
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:34,680
Bond age strangler or psycho the Wichita hangman, the Wichita executioner.

598
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,680
It is I, the executioner.

599
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,680
The grot phantom.

600
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:44,680
And my personal favorite, the asphyxiator.

601
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:45,680
Shut up.

602
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:46,680
Shut up.

603
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:47,680
Deadass.

604
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:48,680
Shut up.

605
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,680
Shut up.

606
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,680
The asphyxiator.

607
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,680
The asphyxiator.

608
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,680
You're not that cool. Like you're not special.

609
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,680
It's so weird.

610
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:01,680
The grot phantom.

611
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,680
The grot phantom.

612
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:09,680
The grot phantom sounds like a wrestler name.

613
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:18,680
I'm so sorry about how like brutal that letter was, but the end is like fucking so bumbly.

614
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:23,680
He is the asphyxiator.

615
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,680
He turns English.

616
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,680
What an idiot.

617
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,680
And then he signed it BTK, even though he already gave them all of their swarms.

618
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,680
The artist formerly known as BTK.

619
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,680
Formerly known as BTK.

620
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,680
Oh god.

621
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,680
The asphyxiator.

622
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:43,680
Okay.

623
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,680
Oh fuck.

624
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:46,680
Wow.

625
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,680
This guy's a lot.

626
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:49,680
Yeah, he is a lot.

627
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:55,680
Should I name the episode the asphyxiator?

628
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,680
People are going to be like who the fuck is that?

629
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:58,680
The grot phantom.

630
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:59,680
The grot phantom.

631
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,680
The asphyxiator.

632
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,680
The artist formerly known as BTK.

633
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,680
Oh, I might do that.

634
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,680
Okay.

635
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:14,680
I really, I don't know how I feel about the way that he wrote it.

636
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:24,680
I know I really don't, he uses words like developing and like, you know, not that they're like huge words, but for him to put it, it, it, it, it, it's the whole time.

637
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,680
There has to be a reason.

638
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:31,680
I think he's purposely trying to be like sinister or like, you know.

639
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,680
Purposely trying to make himself look like a dumbass because it's worth it.

640
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:35,680
Yeah.

641
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:52,680
I think, you know, when people like Son of Sam have really actual like psychosis that thinks like, well, some people didn't believe it, but, you know, these little typos are like Zodiac killer, you know, like that's a purposeful game that they're playing.

642
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:53,680
I don't know man.

643
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:59,680
But with him, it just seems like he, like he idolizes these killers so much that he has to have like a thing.

644
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:00,680
Yeah.

645
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,680
And it's just not putting S's on it.

646
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,680
That's his thing.

647
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:21,680
In this letter, he also included a poem named quote, oh death to Nancy, Wichita police chief Richard Lemonyan decided at best to call a news conference to reveal for the first time the presence of quote, the BTK strangler to the public.

648
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:22,680
So that's what they started to call him.

649
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:29,680
He stated quote, we have no reason but to believe the individual has the capacity to kill again.

650
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:36,680
On April 28th, Dennis had pinpointed his next victim, this time 63 year old Anna Williams.

651
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:44,680
Fortunately, when he was lying in wait for the woman to return home, she took too long and his patients ran out causing him to leave the home.

652
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,680
Oh, lucky her.

653
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:59,680
Less than two months later, Anna received multiple of her own personal items in the mail along with a poem titled quote, oh Anna, why didn't you appear?

654
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,680
See, that's, see, that's, you know, that's creepy.

655
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,680
Yeah, not, not putting S's on it.

656
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,680
It's that's not terrifying at all.

657
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,680
Oh, Anna, why didn't you appear?

658
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:11,680
That's so creepy.

659
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:12,680
Could you imagine?

660
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,680
They're receiving a box of all your own shit.

661
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,680
Someone was in my home and was in my room.

662
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,680
Someone was in my drawers.

663
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:27,680
K.A.K.E. received the same exact package, various containing a drawing of what he had intended to do to Anna.

664
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:33,680
After this, he took yet another hiatus from killing, continuing school in the process.

665
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:41,680
And after a total of six years in night school, he eventually achieved his bachelor's degree in administration of justice in 1979.

666
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:42,680
Cute.

667
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:43,680
Administration of justice.

668
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,680
He's the administrator.

669
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:48,680
Administration of justice.

670
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,680
The desire, the administrator of justice.

671
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,680
Jesus.

672
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:54,680
Ah.

673
00:57:54,680 --> 00:58:04,680
During this time, and seemingly a bigger reason for his break and killing, was the fact that Dennis and his wife welcomed their second child, Carrie, on June 9th, 1978.

674
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:10,680
Having a newborn meant no time for trolling, and Dennis laid low for another few years.

675
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:11,680
Years?

676
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:21,680
On August 14th, 1979, the police made the decision to broadcast the phone call from Dennis admitting to Nancy Fox's murder back in December of 77.

677
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,680
With the hopes that somebody would recognize his voice.

678
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,680
Remember he called in and said there's a homicide.

679
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:27,680
Interesting.

680
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,680
While they got many phone calls regarding this, there were no tips that panned out.

681
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:38,680
After nearly five years without any murders, police still had no leads on who this infamous BTK Strangler was.

682
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:39,680
Weird.

683
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,680
So he hadn't killed at all during that time?

684
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,680
How can he have such restraint after like not having restraint?

685
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:55,680
In 1984, Chief Lemonian established a task force devoted to BTK's crimes, and nicknamed it the quote, Ghostbusters.

686
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,680
The fish should have been the asphyxiators.

687
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,680
The Garot Phantom.

688
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:08,680
This task force included a young officer named Kevin Landwer, and their sole job was to organize and preserve valuable evidence.

689
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:13,680
It was not until April 27th of 1985 that Dennis would strike again.

690
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,680
It's been like almost ten years at this point.

691
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:17,680
That's incredible.

692
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:27,680
After an evening of bingo and dinner with her boyfriend, 53 year old Marine Hedge was abducted from her home, which was just six houses down from the Raider House.

693
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,680
What a ballsy ass dummy.

694
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:30,680
Yeah.

695
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:31,680
Content warning.

696
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:39,680
Unlike his usual MO, Dennis strangled Marine with her own pantyhose and took her to Christ Lutheran Church, where he was president of the council.

697
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:50,680
Once at the church, he photographed Marine's body in various bondage positions, using black plastic sheets and other materials he had previously brought to the church for this reason.

698
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,680
He took her to the church.

699
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,680
The church he was the president of the council at.

700
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,680
What the fuck?

701
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,680
Once he was through, he took her body and dumped it along a dirt road.

702
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:06,680
Dennis later referred to this plan as, quote, project cookie.

703
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:07,680
Like that makes any fucking sense.

704
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,680
Okay, so now he's mission impossible.

705
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,680
He's like a cookie monster or something?

706
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,680
His eye.

707
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,680
His eye.

708
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:16,680
His eye.

709
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:17,680
He was succeeded.

710
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,680
So bad.

711
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:30,680
Police found Marine eight days later, but due to the MO being different, not the method of killing, but the method of what happened afterwards, they did not connect this murder to BTK at the time.

712
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,680
At this time, Dennis's daughter, Carrie, was about six years old.

713
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,680
She recalls hearing about the murder of Marine and being terrified.

714
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:44,680
She would frequently wake up screaming and sitting up in bed when her mom would come in and comfort her.

715
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:53,680
Carrie would say, quote, there's a bad man in my house to which Paula would respond, quote, no, there's no bad man in your house.

716
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,680
And it was him the whole time.

717
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,680
He was the lady.

718
01:00:58,680 --> 01:00:59,680
I can't imagine that.

719
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:12,680
You know, I think about that sometimes when we do cases where these killers have children and what their life must be like, you know, growing up knowing what your father did or your mother did or yeah, that's just awful.

720
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:23,680
The following year on September 16th, 1986, Bill Wurgle headed home from work to have lunch with his wife and son and entered the home to find his two year old sitting alone.

721
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:30,680
He searched the rest of the house to find his wife, Vicki, deceased in their bedroom, the victim of a strangulation.

722
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:40,680
Dennis Rader had killed again, but without any evidence to tie to this, this to BTK, the husband actually became the primary suspect suspect suspect.

723
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,680
Go through the entire vowel list.

724
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:44,680
Suspect.

725
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:45,680
Suspect.

726
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:46,680
Suspect.

727
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,680
The husband actually became the primary suspect in the murder case.

728
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,680
That's awful.

729
01:01:51,680 --> 01:02:00,680
Dennis happened to be on his lunch break as well, and he decided that Vicki would be his next target, so he learned her routine and broken with his usual MO.

730
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,680
Once again, the killing stopped for a while.

731
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:12,680
In 1988, there was a separate murder that occurred in Wichita, ending the lives of three members of the Fager family.

732
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:23,680
Shortly after this crime, a letter was received by police from someone claiming to be the BTK Stringler, but he denied being the perpetrator of this crime, the three people in the family.

733
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:24,680
Huh.

734
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:25,680
He's like, oh no, no.

735
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:26,680
Don't give whoever credit for it.

736
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:27,680
Yeah.

737
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:28,680
Don't make them look like me.

738
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:29,680
Right.

739
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:35,680
The letter stated that the writer credited the true killer for their quote admirable work.

740
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,680
He's like, that wasn't me, but whoever did it, it has admirable work.

741
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:39,680
Good job.

742
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,680
Like props, bro.

743
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:47,680
It was proven years later that this letter was in fact sent by the true BTK Stringler, Dennis Rader.

744
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:52,680
The next time Dennis would kill would be January 19, 1991.

745
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:53,680
1991.

746
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,680
Dolores Davis, the one that we talked about in the beginning.

747
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,680
Oh, full circle.

748
01:02:58,680 --> 01:02:59,680
Okay.

749
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:00,680
That was a lot.

750
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:01,680
That was a lot.

751
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:14,680
So the murder that we talked about in the beginning of the story, it's been a while now, so just a reminder for everyone, that was the one where he broke into her house, took her with her car, and then went back to get her dumped her off the side of the road, and then went back to the Boy Scout thing.

752
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:15,680
And this was in 1991.

753
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:16,680
Yes.

754
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:17,680
Okay.

755
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:32,680
Somehow Dennis Rader ceased all killing after this and went on to continue his seemingly normal lifestyle. He ended up leaving ADT in 1980 and got a job working for Park City as a compliance supervisor in 1991.

756
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,680
In this new position of power, Dennis was known for being a stickler for the rules.

757
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,680
He left ADT in 80, but then didn't start another job until 91.

758
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,680
Yeah, looks like it.

759
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:43,680
He was in school, remember?

760
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:44,680
Oh, that's right.

761
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:45,680
Yeah.

762
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:52,680
He would measure the height of people's lawns and chase stray animals with a tranquilizer gun around the neighborhood.

763
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:57,680
He was like night, like what is it, the night neighborhood watch?

764
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:58,680
Yeah.

765
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:00,680
He's measuring lawns for the HOA.

766
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:01,680
Literally.

767
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:07,680
Like stated earlier in the episode, Dennis was also a Boy Scout troop leader and president of his church council.

768
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:16,680
After 13 years went by with no more murders, and this is 30 years after the murder of the Oteros, the first murders he committed,

769
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:23,680
the Wichita Eagle printed an article recalling the terrible crime committed 30 years prior by the infamous BTK,

770
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:28,680
suggesting that he had faded from people's memories after so long.

771
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:29,680
No!

772
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,680
He didn't like that!

773
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,680
Oh, it's like the worst thing you can say.

774
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,680
Oh, no one cares about him anymore.

775
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:36,680
Nobody cares about him.

776
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:38,680
He's probably dead somewhere.

777
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,680
Wouldn't it be crazy if you were just like, come back?

778
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,680
Well, of course, Dennis did not like this.

779
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:52,680
And later admitted that this article sprung him into action to get attention, stating, quote, that really stirred me.

780
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,680
And this guy has no idea he's just like writing an article.

781
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,680
He has like no idea that that's like the trigger.

782
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:58,680
Yeah.

783
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:07,680
On March 19th of 2004, the Wichita Eagle received a letter from someone using the return address, Bill Thomas Kilman.

784
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:08,680
BTK?

785
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:14,680
The author of the letter claimed that he took the life of Vicki Wurgle on September 16th, 1986,

786
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:20,680
and even included photographs of the crime scene and a photocopy of her driver's license, which was not recovered at the scene.

787
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:25,680
So he was like, you didn't know that I was actively still kind of active?

788
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,680
Like still actively killing?

789
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:28,680
Prior?

790
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,680
This is in 2004, mind you.

791
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,680
So yeah, it's been a while.

792
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:36,680
That's what the article came out because it was the 30 year anniversary of the Ontario.

793
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:37,680
Right.

794
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,680
I knew it was recent. I just didn't realize it was that recent.

795
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,680
Prior to this letter, police could not have definitively linked this crime to BTK.

796
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,680
But now they could.

797
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:51,680
The arrival of this letter showed the media that BTK was definitely still alive and watching.

798
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:58,680
With no attention thus far, KAKE received a separate letter in May of 2004.

799
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:10,680
It was a word search titled BTK biography that spelled out clues such as prowl, realtor, serviceman, telephone, and fantasies.

800
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:11,680
So he can spell them out.

801
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:12,680
Why realtor?

802
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:17,680
That's what I'm saying. I think that the letter residential kills maybe realtor.

803
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:31,680
What police failed to realize at this time and later found out was that the letters R-A-D-E-R were also grouped around the numbers 6220, Dennis's street address.

804
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:37,680
What? The ball's on this idiot. The ball's on this guy. Just leave it alone.

805
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,680
Literally, like you got away with it.

806
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,680
The rest of your life out free.

807
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:42,680
He's just such a narcissist.

808
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:43,680
This is a one-two.

809
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:57,680
On June 9th, 2004, a package was found taped to a stop sign in Wichita and contained graphic descriptions of the Otero murders with a sketch labeled, quote, the sexual thrill is my bill.

810
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,680
Like you're fucking cool.

811
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:00,680
He knows how to rhyme.

812
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:13,680
Also inside a chapter list for a proposed book named, quote, the BTK story, which was mocking a story written in 1999 by true TV crime writer David Lohr.

813
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:18,680
Chapter one was titled, quote, a serial killer is born.

814
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,680
Like he's like, write a book about me.

815
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,680
Oh, Raider was saying this.

816
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,680
Oh, he left this on the stop sign.

817
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,680
He's like, I'll give you the transcripts. I just need like an actual contract.

818
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,680
I'm going to type it up for you and then you publish it for me.

819
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,680
Yeah. And I'm just going to tape it to the back of various signs.

820
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:41,680
In July, a package was dropped in the return slot at the public library with more eerie material.

821
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:49,680
This package claimed that the author was responsible for the death of 19 year old Jake Allen in Argonia earlier that month.

822
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:53,680
It was later determined to be a false claim and the death was ruled a suicide.

823
01:07:53,680 --> 01:08:04,680
In October of 2004, a Manila envelope was dropped into a UPS box in Wichita, including many cards with images of terror and bondage of children pasted on them,

824
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:10,680
and a poem that threatened the life of lead investigator, Lieutenant Ken Landwer.

825
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:17,680
Also included a false autobiography with many details about Dennis's life without his name, of course.

826
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:26,680
It was admitted later that Dennis had honed in on another victim, which he planned to act on in October of 2004, but ultimately decided not to.

827
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:33,680
In December of 2004, police received yet another package from BTK because he can't fucking just shut up.

828
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,680
He can't shut up. It's impossible for him to shut up.

829
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:45,680
He's probably a normal dude in his everyday life going like, it's a boring life. This is his other half.

830
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:55,680
This is exciting. This is his hobby. This is his vice. But everything else during the day is just boo boo boo.

831
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,680
Dennis going on about business.

832
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:06,680
This package was actually found in Wichita's Murdoch Park after KAKE received multiple phone calls from Dennis himself to inform them of it.

833
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,680
He's like, hey, go to the park. Something in there for you. Go to the park.

834
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,680
Hey, you want to go to the park? Let's go to the park.

835
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:16,680
Meet me in movie theater seven, you know.

836
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:26,680
It actually took police a while to get the package and multiple phone calls because he was introducing himself as BTK and they thought it was a prank call so they kept hanging up on him.

837
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,680
He's got so pissed.

838
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,680
He's got so pissed. BTK is like, oh, okay. How about I stay?

839
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:32,680
Yes, fix you.

840
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,680
Stop hanging up on me and fix you.

841
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:45,680
They finally found the package and it contained the driver's license of Nancy Fox, which was also noted as being stolen from the crime scene.

842
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:54,680
Also included in this package, a Barbie doll mimicking the murder of one of the Oteros bound at the hands and feet with a plastic bag over its head.

843
01:09:54,680 --> 01:10:04,680
In January of 2005, Dennis attempted to leave another letter in a cereal box in the bed of a pickup truck in the parking lot of a home depot.

844
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,680
Why? Why is it so difficult?

845
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,680
That's so specific. That's his emote now.

846
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:14,680
So the truck owner walked out and saw the cereal box and then just tossed it. They were like, what the fuck is this doing here?

847
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,680
Oh, it wasn't even his cereal box. I figured that. I thought it was in the back of the truck already.

848
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,680
He placed it in the box.

849
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,680
This is like a box of honeycomb crisps or something.

850
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:24,680
Get this.

851
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:31,680
It was later received from the trash it was put in after Dennis sent yet another letter asking if they had found it.

852
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,680
Wait, what?

853
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:35,680
Did you find my letter?

854
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,680
Just following up. Did you find the cereal box?

855
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:41,680
Was it a cereal box because he's a serial killer?

856
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,680
I don't know.

857
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,680
What was the box?

858
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,680
Something to do with some perfectly good cereal.

859
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,680
Some frosted miniweeds.

860
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:55,680
Police pulled surveillance tapes from the home depot parking lot in order to try to...what?

861
01:10:55,680 --> 01:11:03,680
It's just funny. I forget that this isn't 1970 or 80 anymore, that this is 2004 and 2005 and they have parking lot cameras.

862
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,680
Oh, let's see who does this.

863
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:12,680
Police pulled surveillance tapes from the home depot parking lot in order to try and identify the man leaving the cereal box,

864
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:16,680
but the tapes only showed a distant figure driving a black Jeep with no further lead.

865
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:17,680
Damn.

866
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:18,680
They didn't get anything.

867
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,680
I thought that was going to be the one that cracked the case.

868
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:21,680
Oh no.

869
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:22,680
The cereal box.

870
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:29,680
In the February of 2005, more postcards were sent to KAKE and another cereal box was found at a different location

871
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:36,680
that contained another bound doll apparently meant to be 11-year-old Josephine based on the bondage.

872
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:40,680
During this time as well, in his letters to police, Dennis stated, quote,

873
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,680
Can I communicate with floppy disk and not be tried to a computer?

874
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:45,680
Be honest.

875
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:51,680
Like, he wanted to communicate via floppy disk, but he didn't want them to be able to track him and like find out who he was.

876
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:52,680
He's a fucking idiot.

877
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,680
So he was like, oh, I can't do the like CD burning thing.

878
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:56,680
Yeah.

879
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:57,680
It was like clearly, yeah.

880
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:05,680
Police answered his question via a newspaper ad posted in the Wichita Eagle saying it would be okay to use the floppy disk to communicate.

881
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,680
The ad stated, quote, Rex, it will be okay.

882
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:13,680
Contact me, P.O. Box, first four ref numbers at 67202.

883
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:14,680
Rex?

884
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:15,680
What would Rex be?

885
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,680
I don't know.

886
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:18,680
Only six days later.

887
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,680
Did they know that his penis is named Sparky?

888
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,680
They're both dog names.

889
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:25,680
True.

890
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:26,680
I don't know.

891
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:32,680
Only six days later, BTK confirms that he received the message through another postcard sent to KAKE.

892
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:40,680
On February 16th, 2005, a floppy disk was sent to Fox TV station, KSAS in Wichita.

893
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:44,680
Of course, the police lied to Dennis and they could absolutely chase him again.

894
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,680
I'm just an idiot.

895
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:48,680
He just believed them.

896
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,680
I love that.

897
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:57,680
Forensic analysts determined that the disk had been used by the Christ Lutheran church in Wichita as well as a reference to the name Dennis.

898
01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:58,680
Great.

899
01:12:58,680 --> 01:12:59,680
He signed in.

900
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,680
He's like, hey, it's me, Dennis Rader.

901
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,680
Like all of his passwords and everything, just like, oh, God, what an idiot.

902
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:13,680
A quick internet search determined that a Dennis Rader was president of said church castle.

903
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:19,680
This poor guy is like, not poor guy, but, you know, he's just not used to today's technology.

904
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,680
He's still living in 1960.

905
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:25,680
With the new information the police had, they quickly zeroed in on Dennis Rader.

906
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:26,680
That's hilarious.

907
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:31,680
Police actually obtained first a warrant for the medical records of Carrie, his daughter,

908
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:38,680
and were able to get a sample taken from a pap smear from an annual visit of hers and tested against the stuff on the crime scene.

909
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:48,680
Wow. Due to this, police were able to test for a familial match against semen taken from the Otero home 30 years prior and also a fingernail sample from Vicki Lynn Wurgle.

910
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:55,680
The DNA samples were a match and this, along with other circumstantial evidence, were enough to get a warrant for Dennis Rader's arrest.

911
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,680
That is insane.

912
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,680
Oh my God, a floppy disk.

913
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:00,680
Bro.

914
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:01,680
Bro.

915
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:02,680
It's like the early 2000s.

916
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:03,680
What is wrong with me?

917
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,680
Why do you even have floppy disks?

918
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:09,680
Because he thought that because CDs, I guess he thought one more.

919
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:18,680
Dennis was stopped while on his way home to pick up his wife for lunch and taken into custody shortly after noon on February 25th, 2005.

920
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,680
With Paula?

921
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:24,680
I don't know if he was with her when it happened, but he was on his way to pick her up for lunch.

922
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:36,680
Immediately after his arrest, law enforcement officials, including two SWAT trucks, KBI, FBI, ATF, and a Wichita police bomb unit truck all surrounded the Rader home.

923
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:37,680
I guess he was home.

924
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:43,680
I don't think he could make bombs. I don't think he'd be smart enough to.

925
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:49,680
Once he was in handcuffs, an officer asked Dennis, quote, Mr. Rader, do you know why you're going downtown?

926
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,680
To which he responded, quote, oh, I have my suspicions. Why?

927
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:59,680
I have my suspicions. Possibly be this mountain of evidence.

928
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:08,680
In a later interview about this capture, FBI profiler Greg McCrary told NBC News, referring to BTK's outreach to the Wichita Eagle, quote,

929
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:16,680
once he raised his head again and started gaming again, taunting the police, that's a very positive development and breeds new life into this case.

930
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:21,680
He also stated, quote, if he had been in Communicado and had not reached out, this case may have never been solved.

931
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:22,680
Yeah.

932
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:30,680
Dr. Catherine Ramsland, we were talking about earlier, she's a professor of forensic psychology who had actually been in communication with BTK for over a decade,

933
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,680
like, after he was arrested. So this is like farther down the road.

934
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:34,680
Oh, I see.

935
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:42,680
Stated that while speaking with him about his history, he confessed that he was planning on killing his 11th victim and had even picked her out prior to his arrest.

936
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:50,680
He actually admitted to having gone to this particular victim's house prior, but when he pulled up, he came across a construction crew in front of her house

937
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:59,680
and had to abort his plan. Ramsland stated about this conversation, quote, if he hadn't been arrested, he would have carried out the 11th one.

938
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:06,680
She had also added that he said this complication simply postponed his plans rather than ruining them all together.

939
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,680
So he probably just would have been killing until he died.

940
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:09,680
Oh, absolutely.

941
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:10,680
Absolutely.

942
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:11,680
That letter really reignited him.

943
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:12,680
Of course.

944
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:23,680
BTK was arrested and taken into custody within the same year his wife filed for divorce all the while claiming she had no idea what he was capable of and what he had been up to in his absence.

945
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,680
I do just want to touch on BTK's wife for a second because we didn't really talk about her much earlier.

946
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:34,680
And there's obviously a lot of rumors going around that she like somehow knew about his wrongdoings and how do you not know and they were married for nearly 35 years.

947
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:35,680
Right.

948
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,680
All the while, like pretty much, she was doing this.

949
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:42,680
So Paula Dietz was born on May 5th, 1948 in Park City, Kansas.

950
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:47,680
She was raised in a religious home with her mother being a librarian and her father being an engineer.

951
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:51,680
Oh my God, that's just incredible because he's an engineer.

952
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:52,680
Yeah.

953
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:57,680
He would leave things at the library and she also was brought up in a religious home.

954
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,680
So like, it's just kind of, you know what I'm saying?

955
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:01,680
I didn't even think about that.

956
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:05,680
Like he almost created his life around like his life.

957
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,680
No, well, kind of.

958
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,680
His bad life has similarities to his good life.

959
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:11,680
To his good life.

960
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:12,680
Yeah.

961
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:13,680
Wow.

962
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:20,680
Either that or he like is so, I don't know, like, because the library, dropping off things at the library wouldn't necessarily connect to her.

963
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,680
But I think like it shows that he would frequent the library.

964
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:24,680
Yeah.

965
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:32,680
So it's just interesting that I think that he, or that he kind of like made himself a chameleon to what she would fall in love with and want to stay with him.

966
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,680
And interesting.

967
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:35,680
That is weird.

968
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:44,680
After graduating from high school in 1966, Paula attended the National American University of Wichita and received a bachelor's degree in accounting in 1970.

969
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:50,680
That same year, she met Dennis at church and the two quickly fell in love and married, like I said earlier.

970
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:58,680
Paula remembered feeling overjoyed, of course, when she found out she was pregnant with and gave birth to her and Dennis' first son, Brian, in 73.

971
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:03,680
However, it would be just six months later that BTK would commit his first murder.

972
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:04,680
Murders.

973
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:05,680
Yeah.

974
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,680
I think you said they got married like six, within six months, too.

975
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:09,680
They got married pretty quickly, yeah.

976
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,680
Fast forward to BTK getting caught.

977
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:15,680
It was noted that Paula was oblivious to what her husband had been up to.

978
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:23,680
However, it came out shortly after this that Paula had actually discovered the poem BTK wrote entitled Shirley Locke's.

979
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:24,680
Hmm.

980
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:26,680
One infamous line of the poem read, quote,

981
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:32,680
Thou shalt not scream, but lay on cushion and think of me in death.

982
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,680
Now, this may seem like a huge red flag, like to anyone listening.

983
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:44,680
However, Dennis was attending college courses at the time, and when approached about this by Paula, he just chalked it up to a draft he had written for one of his classes.

984
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:45,680
It works.

985
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:49,680
She thought nothing more of it and kind of just ignored it.

986
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:50,680
Hmm.

987
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:57,680
So yeah, due to his excuse, she also noted that the poem was poorly spelt and horribly written.

988
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:03,680
This did not ring any bells to her when the BTK letter started surfacing in news outlets.

989
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:16,680
In fact, once such letters were released to the public with actual handwriting of the infamous killer, Paula was noted as joking to Dennis about the poor handwriting and teasingly said, quote,

990
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:18,680
You spell just like BTK.

991
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:20,680
Oh.

992
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,680
What?

993
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:28,680
That's what makes me think he's actually a dumbass and he wasn't putting on this like saw that he was dumb.

994
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:29,680
That doesn't make sense.

995
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:33,680
She like equated like BTK's notes and handwriting to his and like, wow, that's like really similar.

996
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,680
Was he like dyslexic or something?

997
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:36,680
Do you think?

998
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,680
Yeah, he might have probably was.

999
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:40,680
I mean, yeah.

1000
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:45,680
So back to February 25th, 2005, BTK had just been arrested.

1001
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:54,680
After this shocking arrest from Paula's perspective, she told police that her husband was, quote, a good man, a great father. He would never hurt anyone.

1002
01:19:54,680 --> 01:20:02,680
Shortly after his arrest, rumors came out stating that Dennis had confessed to other murders in addition to the 10 he was accused of and arrested for.

1003
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:16,680
Even with these alleged confessions, DA of Sedwick County denied the stories to be true, yet refused to say whether or not Dennis had made any confessions or even if investigators were even looking into the possibility of him being involved in other unsolved murders.

1004
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:18,680
He was just like hush hush about the whole thing.

1005
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:19,680
That's so weird.

1006
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,680
Like somebody's like telling you.

1007
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:22,680
Yeah.

1008
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:24,680
Like they probably believed that he was dead.

1009
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,680
So there was like no reason why he would come back or something.

1010
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:29,680
And can you imagine Paula being like, oh no, he would never do that.

1011
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:31,680
Wait, he confessed?

1012
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:32,680
Like literally.

1013
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:40,680
On February 28th, 2005, so this is just three days after his arrest, Dennis was formally charged with 10 counts of first degree murder.

1014
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:47,680
This is also when he made his first appearance via video conference from jail while being represented by a public defender.

1015
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,680
His bail at this time was also set for $10 million.

1016
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,680
$10 million.

1017
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,680
And I didn't do the conversion rate, but I'm going to look really good.

1018
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:56,680
But I'm going to look.

1019
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:01,680
So I just did the conversion rate and $10 million in 2005 would be $15 million today.

1020
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:03,680
So just, you know, $5 million.

1021
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:04,680
$5 million.

1022
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:05,680
Not a big deal.

1023
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:13,680
On March 5th, 2005, news sources claimed to have been verified by multiple sources, Dennis's confirmed involvement in the 10 murders he was charged with.

1024
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:20,680
Meanwhile, during this time, Paula and the children, Carrie is 26 at the time and Brian would be 30 or 31.

1025
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:24,680
Could you imagine, like your whole life, your father, your whole life was dead.

1026
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,680
And he started killing before Carrie was even born.

1027
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:27,680
Was even born.

1028
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:32,680
So they maintained that they had no idea of the monster that was living in their family home.

1029
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:37,680
On April 19th, 2005, Dennis actually waives his right to have a preliminary hearing.

1030
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:46,680
The scheduled hearing began, but only after a few short minutes, it also ended to an acknowledgement from the defense that the state possessed enough evidence to send the case to trial.

1031
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:48,680
So they're like, whatever, we don't even need to do this.

1032
01:21:48,680 --> 01:22:02,680
Only two weeks later, on May 3rd, 2005, District Court Judge Gregory Waller entered non-guilty pleas on Raider's behalf for all 10 murder charges due to the fact that he did not show up to or speak at the Arrayment hearing.

1033
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,680
So he just entered the pleas on his behalf of non-guilty.

1034
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:07,680
Mike, can you just talk to him about it?

1035
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:08,680
Yeah.

1036
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:15,680
On July 26th, 2005, Paula Deets filed for an emergency divorce against Dennis Raider, citing emotional distress as the main reason.

1037
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,680
It's an emergency.

1038
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:19,680
Sorry.

1039
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,680
If there's any kind of an emergency to get a divorce, it's this.

1040
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:23,680
Literally.

1041
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:29,680
Now, usually, divorce proceedings take at least 60 days to take effect, but due to the circumstances, the court granted the divorce on the same day.

1042
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:31,680
They're like, yeah, absolutely.

1043
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:32,680
Can I end?

1044
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,680
Sorry, I'm here to file for divorce.

1045
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:35,680
Yeah, what are the circumstances?

1046
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:37,680
My husband's BTK.

1047
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:38,680
BTK?

1048
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:40,680
Oh shit, I'm so sorry.

1049
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,680
Here you go.

1050
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:51,680
On June 27th, 2005, Dennis arrived for his scheduled trial date, and in a shocking twist, he pleaded guilty for all 10 counts of first-degree murder.

1051
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:52,680
I will say.

1052
01:22:52,680 --> 01:23:01,680
It was a long and grueling trial, as the judge recounted each and every murder in detail, making sure that Dennis knew exactly what he was pleading guilty to,

1053
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:05,680
and requiring that he verbally agree to each count individually.

1054
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:06,680
Wow.

1055
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:07,680
That's huge.

1056
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:08,680
I know, I have these ones.

1057
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:18,680
All 10 murders were pleaded guilty for, the judge then proceeded to ask further questions that are required before making a verdict, just regular things, like, you are a Dennis Raider, like, obviously.

1058
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:27,680
The first of these questions was, quote, Mr. Raider, as I understand it, you are 60 years of age, having been born March 9th, 1945.

1059
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:28,680
Is that correct?

1060
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:30,680
Dennis responded with, yes, sir.

1061
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,680
And then there was a long pause.

1062
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:53,680
Without being prompted, the next thing Dennis said was, quote, I just had some thinking on what I was going to do with either Mrs. Otario or Josephine, and basically I broke into the house, or didn't break into the house, but when they came out of the house, I came in and confronted the family, and then we went from there.

1063
01:23:53,680 --> 01:24:04,680
After this unsettling comment, the judge and Raider went back and forth in conversation, Dennis explaining each murder in gruesome detail, all the while remaining stoic and matter effect.

1064
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:13,680
So the judge is like, just to let you know, like, not to let you know, but let's recap this so we know what we're agreeing to here.

1065
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,680
You're pleading guilty to these specific crimes.

1066
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:18,680
Is he, like, trying to correct him?

1067
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:25,680
Is he like, well, actually it was more like this, or let me give you a little bit more detail because that also needs to be included.

1068
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:32,680
Well, it absolutely seems like he wants every single person in that room to know exactly what he did because he's so proud of himself.

1069
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:34,680
And I read the whole thing.

1070
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:35,680
It is a lot.

1071
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:39,680
I didn't put it in here, but the entire transcript is laid out online.

1072
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:40,680
You can find it.

1073
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:45,680
And it's like, I mean, pretty much everything we've talked about up until now, he just says all of it.

1074
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:46,680
That's incredible.

1075
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:56,680
Dennis's lawyer mentioned later that they entered the guilty plea due to overwhelming evidence against their client and the lack of firm legal footing on which to enter an insanity plea.

1076
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:58,680
They were going to try for an insanity plea.

1077
01:24:58,680 --> 01:24:59,680
They're like, yeah, that's not going to work.

1078
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:00,680
Yeah, right.

1079
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:01,680
Yeah.

1080
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:07,680
This evidence included BTK's own confession, DNA evidence and quote personal trophies he had kept from his victims.

1081
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:14,680
His defense attorney, Steve Osburn, simply stated quote, from a legal standpoint, we had nothing to work with.

1082
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:26,680
On July 22nd, 2005, a controversy erupted on CNN's Nancy Grace Show over a poem that was written by BTK being passed onto someone who then sold it on the black market.

1083
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:33,680
The poem was entitled quote, Black Friday and owed to the date that BTK was arrested.

1084
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:42,680
The poem expressed his unhappiness about being caught with one of the verses stating quote, the dark side of me has been exposed.

1085
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:51,680
The sentencing hearing for Dennis featuring testimonies from numerous investigators and Raider himself apologizing for his crimes, asking the families to forgive him.

1086
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:58,680
Victim's families were noted as calling him a monster and said that he should be quote, thrown in a deep dark hole and left to rot.

1087
01:25:58,680 --> 01:25:59,680
Damn.

1088
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:00,680
That's heavy.

1089
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:08,680
Sister of BTK's victim Nancy Fox stated at the hearing quote, Nancy's death is like a deep wound that will never ever heal.

1090
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:15,680
As far as I'm concerned, Dennis Raider does not deserve to live. I want him to suffer as much as he made his victims suffer.

1091
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:25,680
Brother of Catherine Bright stated about his sister's murder and his escape. This is Kevin, the one that got shot and escaped and survived quote, no remorse, no compassion.

1092
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:30,680
He had no mercy. I think that's what he ought to receive.

1093
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,680
Raider was also allowed to speak at this hearing.

1094
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:41,680
He said things like quote, I know the victims families will never be able to forgive me. I hope somewhere deep down eventually that will happen.

1095
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:51,680
He was also noted as saying about himself quote, a dark side is there, but now I think light is beginning to shine. Hopefully someday God will accept me.

1096
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:54,680
He's a fucking mulled war.

1097
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:58,680
Like, oh my God.

1098
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:08,680
In two days of testimonies, Raider was sentenced to 10 consecutive life sentences, which requires a minimum of 175 years without the possibility of parole.

1099
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,680
Now you're probably wondering why didn't he get the death penalty?

1100
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:12,680
Yeah.

1101
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:19,680
Because Kansas actually didn't have a death penalty at the time his crimes were committed. The maximum penalty allowed by law was life in prison.

1102
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:21,680
Did they change that after BTK?

1103
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:22,680
Of course.

1104
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:24,680
Well, we can't have that again.

1105
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:38,680
The next day on August 19, 2005, Raider was moved from the Sedwick County Jail to the El Dorado Correctional Facility, a state prison in Kansas, to begin serving his sentence as inmate number 008-3707.

1106
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:44,680
With an earliest possible release date of February 26, 2180.

1107
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:47,680
2180?

1108
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:49,680
He might still be alive.

1109
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:51,680
If one can hope.

1110
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:53,680
I'm the vampire.

1111
01:27:53,680 --> 01:28:03,680
Other inmates that were on the 40-minute car ride from the jail to the prison recounted that Dennis made innocuous comments about the weather and made very casual conversation the whole way there.

1112
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:04,680
However,

1113
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:05,680
He's a people person.

1114
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:11,680
However, any time a story of one of his victims or family statements came on the radio, he would cry.

1115
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:15,680
Because it was all about the media. There was a talking about him, obviously. They had the radio on when it would come up, he would cry.

1116
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:19,680
I'm sure they were tears of joy because he was still in the media.

1117
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:23,680
Yeah, and he was probably like, oh my god, remembering the fucking crimes.

1118
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,680
Sparky big time.

1119
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,680
Sparky big time.

1120
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:29,680
Sparky big time.

1121
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:31,680
That's terrible.

1122
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:38,680
Upon arrival at the prison, Dennis was immediately kept in solitary confinement for quote, the inmate's own protecting.

1123
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:40,680
For the inmate's protection?

1124
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:42,680
Because he killed children.

1125
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:43,680
He killed women and children.

1126
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,680
They should have let him be in the general population and died.

1127
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:48,680
He just, yeah.

1128
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:53,680
He is only allowed out for one hour a day for sunlight. It's optional if he wants to.

1129
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:56,680
And is allowed three showers per week.

1130
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:58,680
Isn't so alive though, right?

1131
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:11,680
Beginning on April 23rd, 2006, Dennis reached quote, incentive level two and was then allowed to purchase and watch TV, purchase and listen to the radio, receive and read magazines and have other privileges for good behavior.

1132
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:13,680
After a year?

1133
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:14,680
Not even?

1134
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:15,680
A year.

1135
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:16,680
Yeah.

1136
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:18,680
The victims' families did not agree with these allowances.

1137
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:19,680
No, of course not.

1138
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:20,680
And I don't either.

1139
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:23,680
Dennis is still in prison to this day at age 77.

1140
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:25,680
77?

1141
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:27,680
I don't even feel like that's that old.

1142
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:28,680
It's not.

1143
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:30,680
I feel like that nothing's going to kill this guy. He's going to live.

1144
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,680
He's a cockroach.

1145
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:36,680
So yeah, that is the story about BTK.

1146
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:42,680
I do have some aftermath that I also wrote in here and I want to talk about because he is obviously very, very infamous.

1147
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:48,680
People talk about him all the time. He's been part of numerous documentaries and shows and stuff like that.

1148
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:54,680
So his story actually inspired the Stephen King novel A Good Marriage in 2010.

1149
01:29:54,680 --> 01:30:00,680
And he has been the subject of again many documentaries, TV shows, recreations and stories and books over the years.

1150
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:07,680
Paula Deets, BTK's ex-wife, sold the family home at an auction for $90,000 and immediately left town.

1151
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:08,680
Good for her.

1152
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,680
She has not been seen or made any statements since then.

1153
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:13,680
Good for you, Paula.

1154
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:23,680
In 2019, Dennis and Paula's daughter, Carrie Rosson, published a memoir entitled A Serial Killer's Daughter, My Story of Faith, Love and Overcoming.

1155
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:28,680
In an interview following the release of the book, Carrie stated that Paula, quote,

1156
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:31,680
sort of dealt with my dad like he died on the day he was arrested.

1157
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:35,680
As far as I understand, she has PTSD from the events around his arrest.

1158
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:36,680
Oh my gosh.

1159
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:37,680
Why wouldn't you?

1160
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:38,680
Yeah.

1161
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:43,680
The police don't believe that Paula had any idea that she was the wife of one of the most infamous serial killers.

1162
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:47,680
Tim Relf, one of the detectives who helped capture Dennis, explained, quote,

1163
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,680
Paula is a good and decent person.

1164
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:53,680
She's being downplayed by some people as some sort of ignorant Christian person.

1165
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:56,680
But her only mistake in life was to care for Dennis Rader.

1166
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,680
Oh my god, that breaks my heart.

1167
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:01,680
I can't even imagine.

1168
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:08,680
During the initial trials and hearings, Dennis's defense attorney hired psychologist Robert Mendoza to conduct a psychological evaluation on Dennis,

1169
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,680
again, to determine if they could use the insanity-based plea.

1170
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:17,680
He also conducted an interview with Dennis after he pleaded guilty on June 27, 2005.

1171
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:23,680
Mendoza diagnosed Dennis with narcissistic, antisocial, and obsessive-compulsive personality disorders.

1172
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:29,680
He observed that Dennis had a grandiose sense of self, a belief that he is special and entitled to special treatment.

1173
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:33,680
He also determined that Dennis has a pathological need for attention and admiration,

1174
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:37,680
and a preoccupation with maintaining order and structure.

1175
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:41,680
He ended with saying that he also has a complete lack of empathy.

1176
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:42,680
All accurate.

1177
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:43,680
Yeah.

1178
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:50,680
Criminologist Scott Bond also described Dennis as a quote, a typical type of serial killer, stating about his long times between kills,

1179
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:55,680
quote, most serial killers don't have these lengthy, extensive periods between their killings.

1180
01:31:55,680 --> 01:32:00,680
Most of them really, really escalate, and oftentimes, this is what leads to their undoing.

1181
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:06,680
Dr. Catherine Ramsland disagreed with the understanding that BTK was self-controlled enough to wait between kills,

1182
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:10,680
and she instead suggested that he doesn't have the right circumstances.

1183
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:12,680
He just didn't have them back then.

1184
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:19,680
She stated, quote, he had to do this carefully, and it had to be when he had pockets of opportunity that allowed him to pretend he was doing something else,

1185
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:24,680
like library research for a course, or being at a town or going overnight in a Boy Scout camping trip.

1186
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:26,680
He always had to have a cover story.

1187
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:34,680
After his arrest and incarceration, Dennis provided Dr. Ramsland a list of 55, quote, projects, potential victims.

1188
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:35,680
He called them projects.

1189
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:36,680
Wow.

1190
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:43,680
That had one, he had once targeted and included specific details about how or what he, like, what he was going to do to them.

1191
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:49,680
Sorry, just to talk about the lull, right, and him not killing for a while.

1192
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:54,680
We also agreed that, like, this is very much an attention thing.

1193
01:32:54,680 --> 01:33:01,680
Do you think that there were maybe other areas of his life where he was getting that attention and adoration, so he didn't need to kill?

1194
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:02,680
Yeah, absolutely.

1195
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:08,680
I also think that when he did kill, there was, like, multiple media outlets for probably multiple months afterwards that he kept seeing,

1196
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:10,680
and that was enough for him, or whatever.

1197
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:11,680
Yeah, that's true.

1198
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:12,680
That's true.

1199
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:14,680
Like, when, you know, Carrie was born, Carrie, right?

1200
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:15,680
Mm-hmm.

1201
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:20,680
When Carrie was born, he probably got a lot of attention because he had a brand new baby, or, like, working with the Boy Scout troop was, like,

1202
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:23,680
that's a lot of attention, or, like, doing stuff with the church.

1203
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:24,680
That's a lot of attention, you know?

1204
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:25,680
Exactly.

1205
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:26,680
So, yeah.

1206
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:31,680
Ramsland also stated about this list, quote, it's not like he was inactive during those periods of time.

1207
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:35,680
It's that he didn't have the right circumstances to go forward with something.

1208
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:36,680
Yeah.

1209
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:43,680
Ramsland and Vaughn both agreed that Dennis had an active fantasy life that allowed him to relive his previous killings during his downtime.

1210
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:50,680
According to Vaughn, Dennis used to cut out magazine photos of women and dress up dolls in trophies he had taken from other victims.

1211
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:57,680
He stated about this, quote, he told me in no uncertain terms in our correspondence that this enabled him to delay his killings.

1212
01:33:57,680 --> 01:33:58,680
Mm-hmm.

1213
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:04,680
When investigators searched his home, they found numerous Polaroid photos, not only of his victims, but also of himself,

1214
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,680
dressed in various forms of bondage and clothing.

1215
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:08,680
Mm-hmm.

1216
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:14,680
And he also tried to experiment with himself with autoerotic activity and take photos of himself in these situations.

1217
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:21,680
Dr. Vaughn also described Dennis as a power control killer who got his pleasure not only from killing his victims, but stalking them beforehand.

1218
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:29,680
He stated, quote, it was all about the process of killing and it was almost like foreplay before sex, where it would lead up to the ultimate moment where he would kill them.

1219
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:31,680
But that's not really what he lived for.

1220
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:34,680
What he lived for was the process.

1221
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:40,680
BTK was able to get the same thrill in the previous jobs he had held in power positions of power,

1222
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:44,680
especially being that compliance officer where, again, he was known for being a stickler for the rules.

1223
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:45,680
Mm-hmm.

1224
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:47,680
This is funny.

1225
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:58,680
In fact, Barbara Walters recalled challenging Dennis on a $25 ticket that he had given her in 1998 after he said that her dog had been running loose.

1226
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:04,680
When Dennis came to court to appear on the matter, he had a lengthy file report and video evidence to support his case.

1227
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:07,680
He had been stalking Barbara Walters' dog?

1228
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:15,680
Barbara stated later about this encounter, quote, he looked for absolutely everything and he must have enforced every rule there ever was, just because he could, I guess.

1229
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:16,680
Barbara.

1230
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:17,680
Barbara.

1231
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:18,680
Like, what the hell?

1232
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:19,680
That's amazing.

1233
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:25,680
Lastly, his relationship with his mother growing up was frequently talked about and he commonly used this as an excuse for his shitty behavior as an adult.

1234
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:28,680
I genuinely do believe that his psyche was skewed.

1235
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:34,680
I'm not sure if it was nature or nurture, but either way, I'm glad this asshole is behind bars and caught.

1236
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:35,680
That is incredible.

1237
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:36,680
That is my case.

1238
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:39,680
Um, can you imagine being Kevin?

1239
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,680
Like, you survived this attack.

1240
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:45,680
You didn't remember who this person was and they resurfaced, like, how many years later?

1241
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:46,680
Yeah, literally.

1242
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:50,680
And then seeing his face and, like, how traumatizing that might be?

1243
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:51,680
Seeing him again.

1244
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:52,680
All over again?

1245
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:53,680
Yeah.

1246
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:55,680
That is the story of BTK.

1247
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:57,680
That was a doozy.

1248
01:35:57,680 --> 01:35:58,680
That was a doozy.

1249
01:35:58,680 --> 01:35:59,680
That was a doozy.

1250
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:00,680
I had to do it.

1251
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:02,680
I'm so glad to be done with this fucker.

1252
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:05,680
I've been researching this for, like, literally the last two months and so.

1253
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:08,680
But there is a lot that I didn't even put in here.

1254
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:10,680
There is a lot that goes into him.

1255
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:13,680
Like, you can watch documentaries, you can read books, like, all the articles and stuff.

1256
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:14,680
There's a lot.

1257
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:15,680
There's a lot I didn't know.

1258
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:17,680
Like, I knew certain things.

1259
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:22,680
Like, I knew the Boy Scout, like, Boy Scout leader, part of the church, married, kid.

1260
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:23,680
I knew all that.

1261
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:26,680
I can still see his face in my head, you know?

1262
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:27,680
So scary.

1263
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:32,680
When you were talking about the description, they were like a bushy mustache and psychotic

1264
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:33,680
eyes.

1265
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:37,680
Like, he does have shark eyes.

1266
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:43,680
I definitely think that narcissistic personality disorder is definitely the most forward presenting

1267
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:44,680
with this.

1268
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:45,680
He's like a control freak.

1269
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:49,680
He wants everyone to talk about him and look at him and know who he is all the time.

1270
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:53,680
He literally, like, that's what they were saying, like, if he didn't resurface and send letters

1271
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:55,680
to the news, like, they wouldn't have freaking caught him.

1272
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:56,680
He would have been fine.

1273
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:58,680
He would have never been caught.

1274
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:02,680
He just needed that attention so badly and I guess he fucking got it because we're doing

1275
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:03,680
a podcast.

1276
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:04,680
He just...

1277
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:06,680
Big fat could not keep his mouth shut.

1278
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:08,680
He's just a fucking idiot.

1279
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:10,680
Like, he's just dumb.

1280
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:14,680
Like, literally, like, all the things that, like, he left his knife right where he cut

1281
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:15,680
the wire.

1282
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:16,680
You have one, John.

1283
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,680
That was the first thing that you were doing.

1284
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:21,680
You were doing with the gun with Dolores and then you drove your own vehicle back to the

1285
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:22,680
car.

1286
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:23,680
You fucking idiot.

1287
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:25,680
He just, he wanted to get caught.

1288
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:26,680
Literally.

1289
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:27,680
I didn't even put it in his letter.

1290
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:30,680
He was like, people like me either to die or get caught.

1291
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:31,680
It's like...

1292
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:32,680
So stupid.

1293
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:35,680
Anyway, thanks for hanging out with me for a few hours.

1294
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:36,680
My butt is officially asleep.

1295
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:37,680
Yay!

1296
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:38,680
That was the goal, though.

1297
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:39,680
Yeah, that was a good one.

1298
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:40,680
Follow sweet butts.

1299
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:45,680
I hope that you guys liked this episode and definitely we're gonna continue to do these

1300
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:46,680
like, bigger names.

1301
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:49,680
Or at least I am, I don't know what you're doing, but I have a couple in mind.

1302
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:51,680
I'm excited about my new ones.

1303
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:54,680
Things were sticking through our not too part and just a long episode.

1304
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:55,680
I like these ones.

1305
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:58,680
I like getting it all out there so that people don't have to wait for the second part.

1306
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:03,680
I can never hear Sparky ever again without the Sparky BigTab.

1307
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:05,680
That also sounds like a wrestler name.

1308
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:06,680
The Estixiator.

1309
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:07,680
Oh, man.

1310
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:12,680
I don't know what I'm gonna name this episode, but I kinda wanna do, like, the Garot Phantom.

1311
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:13,680
No!

1312
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:15,680
No, that would be so funny.

1313
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:17,680
He'd probably hate that if he ever heard it.

1314
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:18,680
Amazing.

1315
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:19,680
I know, I love it.

1316
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:20,680
He's still alive.

1317
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:21,680
He has access to the radio.

1318
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:22,680
That's true.

1319
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:25,680
Well, we will definitely see you guys next time with another case.

1320
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:28,680
In the meantime, you can follow us on Instagram at Diagnosing a Killer.

1321
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:30,680
We have Twitter at Killer Diagnosis.

1322
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:32,680
We have TikTok at Diagnosing a Killer.

1323
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:34,680
We need to post on the TikTok.

1324
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:36,680
Tenants and email, Diagnosing a Killer at gmail.com.

1325
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:39,680
If you like what we're doing and you wanna support us, you can go to our Patreon.

1326
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:42,680
It's patreon.com slash diagnosing a killer.

1327
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:44,680
And I think that's all I got.

1328
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:46,680
I think my voice is, like, hurting now.

1329
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:47,680
I'm so hungry.

1330
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:48,680
Alright, we're gonna go eat.

1331
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:49,680
Alright guys, love you.

1332
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:50,680
Bye, love you.

1333
01:38:50,680 --> 01:39:19,880
End of quarter scale.