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Hello, welcome back to another episode of diagnosing a killer.

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Killer, killer, killer, killer, killer, killer, killer, killer, killer.

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Oh, I'm Kenna.

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I'm Koelle.

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I was going to say nice to meet you.

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Nice to see you.

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Nice to talk to you guys.

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Hello.

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gg refreshing

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oh

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apl bumper

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Just school starting and...

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Yeah, a lot's going on with us.

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We got a lot of new things happening.

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So true.

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And so many events coming up, family-wise.

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We got weddings, we have trips, we have all kinds of stuff.

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So...

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Hey, but guess what?

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We passed a year for the podcast.

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That's so true.

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It's actually been a year and a month.

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Happy anniversary.

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Happy year anniversary.

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And me and Casey's anniversary is actually tomorrow.

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Oh, that's...

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Five years.

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Ew.

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Oh, righty.

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Super excited to hear that case.

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I'm excited to do a case.

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Today, we are going to talk about Diane Stouty.

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Diane Stouty.

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But in order to talk about Diane Stouty,

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we're first gonna talk about Mark Stouty and their family.

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Mark Stouty was a musician.

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He absolutely loved to play the harmonica

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among other instruments.

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He actually played in a local band.

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They were called Messing with Destiny.

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We'll see about that.

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So this is actually the year 2012.

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And the band was actually enjoying

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quite a bit of success at this time.

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They seemed to be doing really well.

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They were touring a lot locally,

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but they had a lot of gigs coming up.

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So Mark was super proud about that.

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Mark was 45 and he had been happily married

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to Diane Stouty for 27 years.

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They had actually met in college and they married at 1985.

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I don't like how you're saying was and had been.

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They kind of got into divorce.

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Divorcing a killer.

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Divorcing a killer.

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Or we'll say diagnosing a divorce.

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Dignicing a divorce.

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We're not marriage counselors.

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Diane was a hardworking nurse

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and she was an active member of the church.

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She even played the organ for the congregation

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on most weekends.

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That's a little hard.

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Yeah, they were kind of a musically talented family.

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So within six months of their marriage,

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Mark and Diane had their first child named Sean.

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They would go on to have four amazing children in total.

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The eldest being Sean, 26.

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Sarah, 24.

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Rachel, 22.

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And Rihanna, nine to 12.

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And the only reason is because of some accounts I saw

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that she was 12 at the time.

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I'm like an event.

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You're naming the specific event.

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About when something happened.

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Because they're not that age forever.

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I'm talking about in the year 2012.

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Gotcha.

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So in the year 2012, these were their ages.

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Sean, 26.

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Sarah, 24.

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Rachel, 22.

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And then Rihanna, like I said, nine or 12.

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I'm pretty sure most accounts she was nine.

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But then I saw something where it was like,

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Rihanna was born X amount of years, like 10 years later.

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So then I was like, well, that would make her 12, not nine.

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So I don't know.

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I just, that's why I said nine to 12.

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Different sources.

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And we want to be, we always want to be accurate

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with our info.

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We like to say those.

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I also want to be respectful of the minor too.

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So the whole family lived in Springfield, Missouri.

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They actually lived in a very modest three bedroom,

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one bathroom house.

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Oh my gosh.

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And there were six of them.

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Six of them.

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The eldest being the boy and then the rest all girls.

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Yeah, that can be a struggle in and itself.

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They're completely different, especially

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after certain ages, you know, their bathroom habits

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are a lot different.

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One bathroom with three 20 year olds, like, no thank you.

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Sure, that thing was cluttered.

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Our bathroom is cluttered and we, it's just two of us.

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It's just two of us and a baby.

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Mark was described as letting the kids pretty much

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get away with anything.

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He was really nice and loved his children very much.

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They were absolutely, like they ruled his life.

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He loved his kids.

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He was pretty much a stay at home dad other than part time

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working with the band to just make extra money at night.

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soccer practice or to the movies with their friends

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or the mall, stuff like that.

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So he was a really doting dad.

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Was, was, was.

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I don't like those words.

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Diana, however, wasn't crazy about Mark's

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nice life style, if you will.

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She had said that she didn't care for the band.

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She always thought that Mark had a drinking problem

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or like a smoking problem.

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Hi, Amy.

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Hi, she's good.

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Oh my god, we have to keep that in there.

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What are you doing?

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That bully.

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He did a belly.

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That was so cute.

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I was like, meh, meh.

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Anyway, she worked full time and she felt that most of the

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financial burden was on her.

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She didn't approve of his lifestyle, like going out

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at night.

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She didn't care for the band thing.

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She kind of always had a problem with Mark drinking or

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smoking while he was out, mostly because Mark wasn't in

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that great of health anyways.

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So she kind of had a problem with him, like going out and

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drinking or smoking.

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What do you mean by that though?

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Like he had, like he was like kind of a bigger guy.

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Just in general, he was kind of a bigger guy.

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Maybe some high blood pressure or things like that.

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So she thought he was just going out, getting

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messed up all the time.

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Which by all accounts, he kind of wasn't.

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From what I could tell, a lot of his band mates were like,

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I mean, he drank a few beers.

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He would smoke a cigarette or two.

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But he wasn't going out, getting shwaysty.

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maybe not during that time.

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But maybe when they were younger, him not being around

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a lot or not very often, is probably a little bit more

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stressful on her, of course, because she's now having to

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not only take care of all the finances and all that stuff,

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but also the kids.

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I'm sure that she would have to be a star.

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I know.

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She misses the guest star tonight.

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Yeah, I think it was probably because she was working so much.

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She was also probably just really resentful of the fact

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that it seemed like he was going out just to party and whatever.

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during the day, and he could make extra money at night.

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Yeah, I guess that I can see that from both perspectives.

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Even his daughter, Rachel, would recall that he just

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constantly drank soda, like a lot of soda a lot of times.

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he would enjoy rum and coax on occasion.

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Diane was described as, although friendly,

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she seemed to be garden and standoffish

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when it came to doing things outside of her comfort zone,

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like meeting new people or going to family events or friend

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events.

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The kids recalled that Mark and Diane would regularly

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fight, however, inside the home.

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the older they got, the more aware

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they became that their parents had a huge inability

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to get along.

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a lot younger of an age than you to think for kids,

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for that to affect kids and children.

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They remember things like that.

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They remember, I've read a bunch of studies about it,

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kids remembering their parents fighting

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when they were as little as like 2 and 1 half or 3.

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Yeah, I'm sure it can be traumatizing,

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because it's two people that you love and no love you,

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but why don't they love each other?

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Or maybe, of course, they do, but maybe in the kids' mind,

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yeah, they don't get along.

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Like, they don't have a, you know, yeah.

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What I'm trying to say is that it's like adults introducing

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adult things to a child, because children don't argue

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like that, because they don't have the mental capability yet,

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because they don't have all of that, you know?

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Yeah, and a lot of it is just adult conversations,

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like adults having adult conversations with adults,

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and kids either want to be a part of it.

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You know, you always see like Dr. Phil episodes

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when they're like, don't talk to kids about adult things.

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It shouldn't be on their mind.

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It shouldn't worry them.

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So I bet it's hard for kids not to understand

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like these adult situations and things that don't

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necessarily affect them.

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I feel like it can kind of be compared to like listening

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to two people talk in another language.

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Like, you can tell if it's a negative conversation,

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even though you don't understand the language.

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Yeah, because you feel like the context of tension.

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Yeah, for sure.

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On more than one occasion, the two would actually throw things

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at each other, plates and stuff like that.

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Diane was more so than Mark, but they would-

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I never understood that.

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You say like plates, like those break.

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I never understood.

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Why would you want it like, especially guys,

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like I'm sorry, I'm not trying to like stereotype,

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but men typically are the ones that throw things.

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Punch walls.

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Yeah, or punch walls or break things.

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I'm like, dude, you're just going to be mad now again

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that you just broke something and have to fix it.

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Where I never understood that.

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I threw my phone at my wall one time in like high school

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because I got mad and it made like a huge dent in the wall.

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And I was like, oh, shit.

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Oh, no.

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Never again.

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No one ever knew about that.

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It's just a reminder.

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You used to have a friend that would purposely buy paintings

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just to put over the few that-

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The few walls.

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Like punches on the wall.

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Exactly.

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But that's just ignoring the problem.

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Well, then you get the painting off the wall

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and you smash it over someone's head.

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It is a whole not too-

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So by all accounts, Mark was like a really great dude, right?

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But Diane seemed to be strict.

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Sean from an early age was actually diagnosed

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to be on the spectrum.

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And he actually had a seizure disorder from the time

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that he was very young.

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Oh, wow.

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He rarely ever left the comfort of his room.

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And he would actually die of head first into video games

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and just shut out the world around him.

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Honestly, having a seizure disorder is probably-

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I would probably do the same thing.

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I wouldn't want to go far from like my comfort.

282
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Yeah.

283
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And also like the parents are arguing.

284
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So like, why would you want to leave your room anyways?

285
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Exactly.

286
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Put the headphones on and just go now.

287
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Put the headphones on and ignore the world.

288
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Exactly.

289
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He actually never really left home at all.

290
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It was really difficult for him to hold down a job

291
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because he got overwhelmed very easily

292
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since he was on the spectrum.

293
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He enjoyed things like comics, puzzles.

294
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He usually kept to himself and was described by his family

295
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as relatively low maintenance.

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Other than the occasional flu, since he didn't have

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a really good immune system.

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He also loved to play video games and would often snack

299
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on junk food, all that stuff.

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Brianna also struggled with it at the youngest.

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She also struggled with a learning disability

302
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and she needed extra focus when completing homework

303
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and things like that.

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Sarah had been away at college.

305
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So Sarah's the 24 year old.

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She had been away at college, but like most college students,

307
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she began to fall in hard times being away from home.

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She had little money.

309
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She had student debt that she needed to pay off at this point.

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And she pretty much had no support from family

311
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where she was living.

312
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So she decided to move back home into the house

313
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to get back on our feet.

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By all accounts, Rachel, the 22 year old, and her mother,

315
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Diane, were very, very close.

316
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Often they would do a lot of things together.

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Diane even began to teach Rachel how to play the organ,

318
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just like our mom at church.

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Oh, that's cool.

320
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So they would go to church every Sunday together.

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Diane would often post on social media

322
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about Rachel's accomplishments, however small.

323
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Rachel seemed to be like good at anything,

324
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excelled at anything.

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She had all A's in school.

326
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She seemed to be good at, and she seemed to excel

327
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at everything from art, chemistry, math.

328
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She even played the flute.

329
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She was a really smart girl.

330
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The star pupil.

331
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Yes.

332
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Oh, God.

333
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Oh, no.

334
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So one week in early April, 2012, around Easter,

335
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Mark was set to record in the studio with the band on Saturday.

336
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Mark's band members stated that he was acting strangely

337
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when he arrived, disoriented.

338
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He was even running late, which was really unlike him,

339
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for such an important event.

340
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A lot of his band members said that he looked really sick.

341
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Like, he looked green, like because he was so nauseous.

342
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OK.

343
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The band was unable to record that night

344
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because Mark seemingly had no idea what was going on.

345
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He could not focus.

346
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He was completely disoriented.

347
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For, like, seemingly no reason.

348
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Seemingly no reason.

349
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They said that he did maybe seem intoxicated.

350
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But again, this is like that he had had a few drinks

351
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while he was there.

352
00:12:35,940 --> 00:12:38,700
But again, this was a really important event to him.

353
00:12:38,700 --> 00:12:41,420
And it would be really unlike him to get

354
00:12:41,420 --> 00:12:44,420
shit-faced wasted while they're using studio time and things

355
00:12:44,420 --> 00:12:45,300
like that.

356
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Very, very weird.

357
00:12:46,220 --> 00:12:47,180
Yeah.

358
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Either way, Mark had gone home that night to sleeve it off.

359
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When he arrived, Diane said that Mark was stumbling around

360
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and he was disoriented and that she was kind of used to seeing

361
00:12:58,260 --> 00:13:03,100
Mark be drunk, or at least having had a few drinks

362
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after hanging out with the band.

363
00:13:04,660 --> 00:13:06,620
So she just helped him to bed.

364
00:13:06,620 --> 00:13:07,660
Oh, OK.

365
00:13:07,660 --> 00:13:08,820
She just helped him to bed.

366
00:13:08,820 --> 00:13:11,020
Well, let me get you ready for bed.

367
00:13:11,020 --> 00:13:12,820
What are you doing?

368
00:13:12,820 --> 00:13:14,740
It's like she's planning all these seeds.

369
00:13:14,740 --> 00:13:16,540
Like, he's a drunk.

370
00:13:16,540 --> 00:13:17,500
He's a drunk.

371
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I'm used to it seeing him.

372
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Just used to it.

373
00:13:20,220 --> 00:13:22,540
And you know, the fact that this podcast started out

374
00:13:22,540 --> 00:13:25,300
with her name does not give me much hope for her.

375
00:13:25,300 --> 00:13:26,020
Continue.

376
00:13:26,020 --> 00:13:27,220
So she just helped him to bed.

377
00:13:27,220 --> 00:13:28,700
Everything's fine, right?

378
00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:31,780
Upon witnessing this, however, Mark's son, Sean,

379
00:13:31,780 --> 00:13:33,460
would post on social media.

380
00:13:33,460 --> 00:13:34,020
No.

381
00:13:34,020 --> 00:13:37,460
Quote, my father is slowly getting sicker.

382
00:13:37,460 --> 00:13:40,820
His voice is slurred and his walking is wobbly.

383
00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:41,660
End quote.

384
00:13:41,660 --> 00:13:43,980
Slowly getting sicker.

385
00:13:43,980 --> 00:13:47,420
Perhaps someone that's been poisoned over a period of time.

386
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I don't know.

387
00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:49,380
Question mark.

388
00:13:49,380 --> 00:13:50,300
What?

389
00:13:50,300 --> 00:13:53,900
That was in 2012 when Facebook was popping

390
00:13:53,900 --> 00:13:55,380
and you posted everything that you

391
00:13:55,380 --> 00:13:57,220
thought under the sun ever.

392
00:13:57,220 --> 00:13:57,740
Exactly.

393
00:13:57,740 --> 00:14:00,260
It didn't matter if you posted 18 statuses a day.

394
00:14:00,260 --> 00:14:00,540
Right.

395
00:14:00,540 --> 00:14:02,340
So it's just like, here's what's happening.

396
00:14:02,340 --> 00:14:04,260
So that's like legitimate account.

397
00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:04,740
It's a little weird.

398
00:14:04,740 --> 00:14:05,500
Like what's going on.

399
00:14:05,500 --> 00:14:06,220
It's a little weird.

400
00:14:06,220 --> 00:14:08,060
I would post going outside.

401
00:14:08,060 --> 00:14:10,780
It's raining or whatever.

402
00:14:10,780 --> 00:14:12,420
Or hot as balls today.

403
00:14:12,420 --> 00:14:13,020
Exactly.

404
00:14:13,020 --> 00:14:15,540
I hit my 10,000th step today.

405
00:14:15,540 --> 00:14:17,060
Is it so cringy?

406
00:14:17,060 --> 00:14:18,380
And you don't have Facebook anymore.

407
00:14:18,380 --> 00:14:18,860
I don't.

408
00:14:18,860 --> 00:14:20,580
Listeners, isn't it so cringy when

409
00:14:20,580 --> 00:14:23,660
you get a 10 year ago reminder on Facebook

410
00:14:23,660 --> 00:14:26,060
and you're like, I don't want to know about all of the shit

411
00:14:26,060 --> 00:14:28,620
that I said and cringe city over here?

412
00:14:28,620 --> 00:14:32,060
These are my selective thoughts about the departed or whatever.

413
00:14:32,060 --> 00:14:34,420
Yeah, it's ridiculous.

414
00:14:34,420 --> 00:14:35,740
Or inception.

415
00:14:35,740 --> 00:14:36,740
Yeah, exactly.

416
00:14:36,740 --> 00:14:39,740
I think that is the same year that inception came out.

417
00:14:39,740 --> 00:14:42,700
Either way, it might be a reference to the fact

418
00:14:42,700 --> 00:14:46,220
that Diane knew and some of the kids knew

419
00:14:46,220 --> 00:14:48,580
that he was having health issues.

420
00:14:48,580 --> 00:14:50,460
Because that was also talked about,

421
00:14:50,460 --> 00:14:53,140
like his high blood pressure and the drinking.

422
00:14:53,140 --> 00:14:58,460
And maybe that was, I mean, they argued in the house

423
00:14:58,460 --> 00:14:59,060
all the time.

424
00:14:59,060 --> 00:15:01,860
Maybe that was a few arguments that they had

425
00:15:01,860 --> 00:15:02,860
was about his drinking.

426
00:15:02,860 --> 00:15:06,260
Well, it also kind of makes me think that maybe while he's away,

427
00:15:06,260 --> 00:15:09,820
Diane is telling the kids, like, oh, your father's a drunk.

428
00:15:09,820 --> 00:15:11,300
Like this and that, the other.

429
00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:15,580
And when this Sean says that he's getting sicker,

430
00:15:15,580 --> 00:15:17,660
he's referring to his alcoholism.

431
00:15:17,660 --> 00:15:18,140
Right.

432
00:15:18,140 --> 00:15:18,620
Yeah.

433
00:15:18,620 --> 00:15:22,020
So there's a lot of different interpretations, I guess.

434
00:15:22,020 --> 00:15:24,300
So the next morning, Diane wakes up early.

435
00:15:24,300 --> 00:15:25,660
This is Sunday.

436
00:15:25,660 --> 00:15:27,860
Her and Rachel go to church.

437
00:15:27,860 --> 00:15:29,300
And they leave Mark asleep in the bed

438
00:15:29,300 --> 00:15:32,060
and just assuming he's probably got a righteous hangover.

439
00:15:32,060 --> 00:15:33,460
Not a big deal.

440
00:15:33,460 --> 00:15:34,460
She leaves for church.

441
00:15:34,460 --> 00:15:37,300
But then when she arrives back home several hours later,

442
00:15:37,300 --> 00:15:40,980
she finds that Mark is actually not breathing.

443
00:15:40,980 --> 00:15:43,300
Wait, hold on.

444
00:15:43,300 --> 00:15:46,340
They sleep in the same bed.

445
00:15:46,340 --> 00:15:49,700
I'm sure there's a fucking distinct difference

446
00:15:49,700 --> 00:15:52,260
in someone that is just hungover and not feeling well

447
00:15:52,260 --> 00:15:54,940
and someone that is dead.

448
00:15:54,940 --> 00:15:55,660
Also.

449
00:15:55,660 --> 00:15:57,060
She said not breathing.

450
00:15:57,060 --> 00:15:58,820
Not for nothing.

451
00:15:58,820 --> 00:16:02,460
But when I wake up, no matter how much of a rush I am

452
00:16:02,460 --> 00:16:04,500
or whatever I'm in or whatever we'd like,

453
00:16:04,500 --> 00:16:06,420
especially if we've been drinking the night before,

454
00:16:06,420 --> 00:16:08,180
I always wake KC up before I leave.

455
00:16:08,180 --> 00:16:10,500
You put your finger under his nose to feel him breathing.

456
00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:12,060
Or you were alive.

457
00:16:12,060 --> 00:16:12,620
No.

458
00:16:12,620 --> 00:16:14,980
But I always will, of course, I kiss him goodbye.

459
00:16:14,980 --> 00:16:17,980
But I always make sure that he's good to go before I leave,

460
00:16:17,980 --> 00:16:20,620
especially if we've been drinking the night before.

461
00:16:20,620 --> 00:16:20,980
Oh, yeah.

462
00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:22,460
That's just irresponsible.

463
00:16:22,460 --> 00:16:23,260
It is irresponsible.

464
00:16:23,260 --> 00:16:25,860
Or it was purposeful.

465
00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:27,100
I'm over here just speculating.

466
00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:29,500
Or it's alcohol poisoning.

467
00:16:29,500 --> 00:16:31,060
Or it's real poisoning.

468
00:16:31,060 --> 00:16:33,460
And she's trying to play it up.

469
00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:35,420
Go ahead.

470
00:16:35,420 --> 00:16:37,860
So she immediately calls police.

471
00:16:37,860 --> 00:16:40,620
The entire family is shooketh.

472
00:16:40,620 --> 00:16:43,140
Convenient that she has just been gone for the past three hours.

473
00:16:43,140 --> 00:16:44,460
Yeah, of course.

474
00:16:44,460 --> 00:16:45,060
Well, it's Sunday.

475
00:16:45,060 --> 00:16:46,900
She can't miss church.

476
00:16:46,900 --> 00:16:49,180
Unfortunately, Mark was pronounced dead

477
00:16:49,180 --> 00:16:50,820
by the time that police arrived.

478
00:16:50,820 --> 00:16:51,900
Shucker.

479
00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:54,420
Diane had said that Mark had not been feeling well

480
00:16:54,420 --> 00:16:55,340
in the last week.

481
00:16:55,340 --> 00:16:59,140
And when asked why she didn't take Mark to the hospital,

482
00:16:59,140 --> 00:17:01,700
Diane said that Mark insisted that he was fine

483
00:17:01,700 --> 00:17:09,780
and he didn't want to go to the hospital.

484
00:17:09,780 --> 00:17:10,780
So tiny.

485
00:17:10,780 --> 00:17:13,620
I don't know if you all heard that, but Seamus' meow is so cute.

486
00:17:13,620 --> 00:17:14,300
It's so small.

487
00:17:14,300 --> 00:17:15,900
He's like around the corner from us too.

488
00:17:15,900 --> 00:17:17,060
You can still hear it on the mic.

489
00:17:17,060 --> 00:17:20,380
He wants us to go out there and pet him.

490
00:17:20,380 --> 00:17:22,660
He's fat.

491
00:17:22,660 --> 00:17:25,340
The medical examiner who performed Mark's autopsy

492
00:17:25,340 --> 00:17:27,220
stated in their report that there seemed

493
00:17:27,220 --> 00:17:29,060
to be no signs of foul play.

494
00:17:29,060 --> 00:17:31,020
There were no bruising or abrasions, head

495
00:17:31,020 --> 00:17:33,180
contusions, or hemorrhaging at all.

496
00:17:33,180 --> 00:17:36,940
But he did notice a red ring around Mark's mouth,

497
00:17:36,940 --> 00:17:40,380
like blood or fluid of some kind.

498
00:17:40,380 --> 00:17:43,100
So given Mark's lifestyle and the steady progression of him

499
00:17:43,100 --> 00:17:46,260
not feeling well, the ME did classify Mark's passing

500
00:17:46,260 --> 00:17:48,340
as being of natural causes.

501
00:17:48,340 --> 00:17:50,340
He was cremated shortly after.

502
00:17:50,340 --> 00:17:51,780
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

503
00:17:51,780 --> 00:17:54,420
What about the toxicology report?

504
00:17:54,420 --> 00:17:56,780
There was no toxicology.

505
00:17:56,780 --> 00:17:58,020
It didn't mean anything.

506
00:17:58,020 --> 00:17:58,500
Right.

507
00:17:58,500 --> 00:17:59,740
I think.

508
00:17:59,740 --> 00:18:01,980
He was cremated shortly after.

509
00:18:01,980 --> 00:18:02,580
Shortly after.

510
00:18:02,580 --> 00:18:05,060
That's what the ring is.

511
00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:05,740
The same day.

512
00:18:05,740 --> 00:18:06,980
Oh, he said, OK, cremate him.

513
00:18:06,980 --> 00:18:07,980
Cremate him.

514
00:18:07,980 --> 00:18:08,980
I know.

515
00:18:08,980 --> 00:18:09,740
What is it?

516
00:18:09,740 --> 00:18:11,940
John Mulaney, when he's like all the Irish people

517
00:18:11,940 --> 00:18:13,100
keep in all of their emotions.

518
00:18:13,100 --> 00:18:14,540
He's like, oh, you're a sunday.

519
00:18:14,540 --> 00:18:15,740
He's like, OK, don't bear the boy.

520
00:18:15,740 --> 00:18:16,420
Bear the boy.

521
00:18:16,420 --> 00:18:17,780
Bury the boy.

522
00:18:17,780 --> 00:18:19,420
He's saying we're just not going to focus

523
00:18:19,420 --> 00:18:21,300
on the emotions of anything.

524
00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:23,620
The band was devastated, of course.

525
00:18:23,620 --> 00:18:27,100
They actually insisted on playing at Mark's memorial service.

526
00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:29,180
The band did have suspicions when

527
00:18:29,180 --> 00:18:32,340
they noticed that Diane wasn't seemingly upset about Mark's

528
00:18:32,340 --> 00:18:34,700
passing at all at the service.

529
00:18:34,700 --> 00:18:37,580
She would say things like she would.

530
00:18:37,580 --> 00:18:41,020
Say things like, quote, everyone grieves differently,

531
00:18:41,020 --> 00:18:46,540
end quote, or quote, I guess it just hasn't hit me yet, end quote.

532
00:18:46,540 --> 00:18:48,140
Which is also kind of understandable,

533
00:18:48,140 --> 00:18:50,700
but it's like because it's so sudden.

534
00:18:50,700 --> 00:18:53,420
But at the same time, who says everyone

535
00:18:53,420 --> 00:18:56,980
grieves differently when they're the one grieving?

536
00:18:56,980 --> 00:18:58,460
Why would you put that in people's heads?

537
00:18:58,460 --> 00:18:59,500
Why would you do that?

538
00:18:59,500 --> 00:19:01,420
She's making an excuse for the fact

539
00:19:01,420 --> 00:19:02,700
that she's not reacting.

540
00:19:02,700 --> 00:19:03,700
She's not upset.

541
00:19:03,700 --> 00:19:06,420
What?

542
00:19:06,420 --> 00:19:08,500
I still want to know.

543
00:19:08,500 --> 00:19:09,900
So the Stoutie family was actually

544
00:19:09,900 --> 00:19:12,540
awarded $20,000 in life insurance.

545
00:19:12,540 --> 00:19:14,140
The family did the best that they could

546
00:19:14,140 --> 00:19:17,380
to try to move on from the sudden death, however.

547
00:19:17,380 --> 00:19:19,340
They would end up selling their family home

548
00:19:19,340 --> 00:19:22,100
as Mark's death was a lot to handle for the kids.

549
00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:24,420
Let's be honest, they need the room too.

550
00:19:24,420 --> 00:19:25,660
Because they're in a three-way.

551
00:19:25,660 --> 00:19:30,140
And they're like, well, if we can sell this house plus the $20,000,

552
00:19:30,140 --> 00:19:31,940
the kids were really freaked out about what

553
00:19:31,940 --> 00:19:33,180
happened to him at the house.

554
00:19:33,180 --> 00:19:34,420
Yeah, it was in the house.

555
00:19:34,420 --> 00:19:34,940
Yeah.

556
00:19:34,940 --> 00:19:37,260
They said that they couldn't sleep, things like that.

557
00:19:37,260 --> 00:19:38,980
So it made sense to move.

558
00:19:38,980 --> 00:19:39,460
I get it.

559
00:19:39,460 --> 00:19:40,780
Plus they need the room, right?

560
00:19:40,780 --> 00:19:43,500
Little did they know they're moving with a killer.

561
00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:45,180
With a killer.

562
00:19:45,180 --> 00:19:45,580
I don't know.

563
00:19:45,580 --> 00:19:47,100
I really don't know this case.

564
00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:51,300
So I'm like, it's circulating.

565
00:19:51,300 --> 00:19:52,900
Shamish, shut up.

566
00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:55,220
The child has been put outside.

567
00:19:55,220 --> 00:19:58,460
We can continue without them yelling.

568
00:19:58,460 --> 00:19:59,700
He's so desperate.

569
00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:00,580
He's so cute.

570
00:20:00,580 --> 00:20:01,500
So funny.

571
00:20:01,500 --> 00:20:03,300
We should post a picture of him on the Instagram.

572
00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:06,260
Maybe people will like our pictures more.

573
00:20:06,260 --> 00:20:08,380
He's like, I have a TikTok account,

574
00:20:08,380 --> 00:20:11,020
and he gets more likes than anything else on my TikTok

575
00:20:11,020 --> 00:20:12,020
account.

576
00:20:12,020 --> 00:20:13,420
So everything in the family started

577
00:20:13,420 --> 00:20:15,820
to kind of go back to normal, some way, right?

578
00:20:15,820 --> 00:20:19,340
Until about five months later.

579
00:20:19,340 --> 00:20:20,940
Someone else got sick.

580
00:20:20,940 --> 00:20:24,020
In September of 2012, Sean began

581
00:20:24,020 --> 00:20:25,660
to experience flu-like symptoms.

582
00:20:25,660 --> 00:20:26,460
No.

583
00:20:26,460 --> 00:20:29,260
Which we all know is unusual because of his prior health

584
00:20:29,260 --> 00:20:30,380
complications.

585
00:20:30,380 --> 00:20:33,780
But this time, Sean began experiencing extreme symptoms.

586
00:20:33,780 --> 00:20:36,860
He started throwing up diarrhea, constant nausea, body

587
00:20:36,860 --> 00:20:38,180
aches, and headaches.

588
00:20:38,180 --> 00:20:41,660
This went on and off for about three weeks.

589
00:20:41,660 --> 00:20:43,820
And why didn't he go to the doctor?

590
00:20:43,820 --> 00:20:46,500
Sometimes getting better, sometimes getting worse.

591
00:20:46,500 --> 00:20:51,420
But one afternoon, Diane came home from church with Rachel

592
00:20:51,420 --> 00:20:54,660
to find Sean collapsed on the floor of his room.

593
00:20:54,660 --> 00:20:57,620
After notifying first responders and them arriving,

594
00:20:57,620 --> 00:20:59,300
Sean was pronounced dead at the scene.

595
00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:00,740
Five months after his dad.

596
00:21:00,740 --> 00:21:02,260
Five months after his dad.

597
00:21:02,260 --> 00:21:05,660
Does she have, like, munch-hazen by proxy?

598
00:21:05,660 --> 00:21:06,220
Go ahead.

599
00:21:06,220 --> 00:21:06,660
Who?

600
00:21:06,660 --> 00:21:07,420
The mom.

601
00:21:07,420 --> 00:21:07,920
Ah!

602
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:08,980
Who's the mom?

603
00:21:08,980 --> 00:21:11,220
It's not the nine-year-old.

604
00:21:11,220 --> 00:21:14,020
At first, the concern was that the family was actually

605
00:21:14,020 --> 00:21:15,860
experiencing some type of contagion

606
00:21:15,860 --> 00:21:17,980
or that they were passing things around to each other.

607
00:21:17,980 --> 00:21:18,660
Genetic.

608
00:21:18,660 --> 00:21:19,100
Right.

609
00:21:19,100 --> 00:21:20,460
Something genetically.

610
00:21:20,460 --> 00:21:22,500
But again, or hereditarily, yeah.

611
00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:24,660
Sean's body was actually taken in the Emmy's office.

612
00:21:24,660 --> 00:21:26,300
And once again, it was determined that Sean

613
00:21:26,300 --> 00:21:28,940
had passed away from preexisting health conditions.

614
00:21:28,940 --> 00:21:34,380
Although the Emmy did report that Sean did have a red ring

615
00:21:34,380 --> 00:21:36,580
of dried blood around his mouth.

616
00:21:36,580 --> 00:21:38,260
What the fuck?

617
00:21:38,260 --> 00:21:40,020
And of course, he would be cremated.

618
00:21:40,020 --> 00:21:40,820
Of course, right away.

619
00:21:40,820 --> 00:21:41,460
Of course, right away.

620
00:21:41,460 --> 00:21:41,940
Bear the boy.

621
00:21:41,940 --> 00:21:42,980
Take that.

622
00:21:42,980 --> 00:21:43,380
Take that.

623
00:21:43,380 --> 00:21:44,260
No toxicology.

624
00:21:44,260 --> 00:21:44,900
No toxic.

625
00:21:44,900 --> 00:21:47,180
No, no toxicology.

626
00:21:47,180 --> 00:21:48,620
No toxicology report.

627
00:21:48,620 --> 00:21:50,260
What?

628
00:21:50,260 --> 00:21:51,220
Oh, and then I'm sorry.

629
00:21:51,220 --> 00:21:53,220
I'm sure Diane's like, everyone agrees differently.

630
00:21:53,220 --> 00:21:54,300
Everybody agrees differently, y'all.

631
00:21:54,300 --> 00:21:54,780
Leave me alone.

632
00:21:54,780 --> 00:21:55,580
Everyone agrees differently.

633
00:21:55,580 --> 00:21:58,780
So losing two people in her life within five months

634
00:21:58,780 --> 00:22:01,380
at this point, five, six months, Diane was now a widow

635
00:22:01,380 --> 00:22:02,940
and had lost a child.

636
00:22:02,940 --> 00:22:06,300
She turned towards the church for support.

637
00:22:06,300 --> 00:22:08,580
Bitch, you were there when both of these people died.

638
00:22:08,580 --> 00:22:10,100
You think that that's like.

639
00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:12,420
Well, she started speaking to her pastor quite often.

640
00:22:12,420 --> 00:22:14,420
And through conversations, the pastor

641
00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:19,460
had actually found some of Diane's behavior very disturbing.

642
00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:20,340
You don't say.

643
00:22:20,340 --> 00:22:21,380
You don't say.

644
00:22:21,380 --> 00:22:24,460
Diana described an event around the time of Mark's passing

645
00:22:24,460 --> 00:22:26,300
that seemed like it was more of a celebration

646
00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:28,460
than a memorial service.

647
00:22:28,460 --> 00:22:28,860
Yes.

648
00:22:28,860 --> 00:22:31,100
So this is not the actual memorial service for Mark,

649
00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:32,140
the one that the band played at.

650
00:22:32,140 --> 00:22:33,140
OK.

651
00:22:33,140 --> 00:22:35,820
It was a gathering of people that were meant to mourn for Mark,

652
00:22:35,820 --> 00:22:37,980
but it was more like a celebration of some kind.

653
00:22:37,980 --> 00:22:40,860
I mean, I understand the celebration of life.

654
00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:42,460
But like a party?

655
00:22:42,460 --> 00:22:44,660
This is kind of like a party.

656
00:22:44,660 --> 00:22:44,980
Yeah.

657
00:22:44,980 --> 00:22:49,140
And only like certain people were invited, namely

658
00:22:49,140 --> 00:22:50,580
like a kickback.

659
00:22:50,580 --> 00:22:51,940
Like a kickback.

660
00:22:51,940 --> 00:22:52,780
Oh, what the fuck?

661
00:22:52,780 --> 00:22:54,300
Yeah.

662
00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:56,820
So that fine understandable celebration of life,

663
00:22:56,820 --> 00:23:00,020
maybe it's like a close knit family thing.

664
00:23:00,020 --> 00:23:03,020
And then they had Mark's actual service.

665
00:23:03,020 --> 00:23:06,260
So why is it that Sean didn't get a service at all?

666
00:23:06,260 --> 00:23:07,260
What?

667
00:23:07,260 --> 00:23:11,580
Her son didn't get a service at all.

668
00:23:11,580 --> 00:23:12,900
She's like, everyone greets differently.

669
00:23:12,900 --> 00:23:13,860
Everyone greets differently.

670
00:23:13,860 --> 00:23:14,740
Well, that's why.

671
00:23:14,740 --> 00:23:16,740
No, that is very much bury the boy.

672
00:23:16,740 --> 00:23:17,540
Yeah.

673
00:23:17,540 --> 00:23:20,260
Like sweep it under a fucking rug to the point

674
00:23:20,260 --> 00:23:22,700
to where even a family member didn't realize

675
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:25,020
that Sean had passed away until after this family member

676
00:23:25,020 --> 00:23:28,180
couldn't get a hold of Sean after a while, like a week or so.

677
00:23:28,180 --> 00:23:28,980
What?

678
00:23:28,980 --> 00:23:29,260
Yeah.

679
00:23:29,260 --> 00:23:31,260
And it was only until then did she

680
00:23:31,260 --> 00:23:34,660
start telling people in the family.

681
00:23:34,660 --> 00:23:38,180
Some people had to ask her where Sean was.

682
00:23:38,180 --> 00:23:40,060
And then she would tell them that Sean had died.

683
00:23:40,060 --> 00:23:43,220
She shows up to a family event, like missing a child.

684
00:23:43,220 --> 00:23:44,220
And they're like, where's Sean?

685
00:23:44,220 --> 00:23:45,220
Is he busy this weekend?

686
00:23:45,220 --> 00:23:46,620
She's like, oh, he died.

687
00:23:46,620 --> 00:23:47,900
Oh, by the way, he died.

688
00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:49,500
Just to let you fucking know.

689
00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:50,900
Seriously.

690
00:23:50,900 --> 00:23:51,620
Not even kidding.

691
00:23:51,620 --> 00:23:53,260
What the hell?

692
00:23:53,260 --> 00:23:54,340
What the hell?

693
00:23:54,340 --> 00:23:54,980
Yeah.

694
00:23:54,980 --> 00:23:57,820
Absolutely disgusting.

695
00:23:57,820 --> 00:23:59,620
What's your excuse for that one?

696
00:23:59,620 --> 00:24:00,980
Everybody greets differently.

697
00:24:00,980 --> 00:24:02,500
Everyone greets differently.

698
00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:05,060
And nobody greets sometimes because they don't fucking know.

699
00:24:05,060 --> 00:24:06,820
Sometimes nobody greets me.

700
00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:07,900
God.

701
00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:09,460
It's horrible.

702
00:24:09,460 --> 00:24:12,820
So with all of this, Rachel, Diane's most prized daughter,

703
00:24:12,820 --> 00:24:14,980
would actually move into Sean's room

704
00:24:14,980 --> 00:24:16,980
since the death created a vacancy.

705
00:24:16,980 --> 00:24:17,540
No.

706
00:24:17,540 --> 00:24:18,300
Oh, yeah.

707
00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:19,140
Oh, she knows.

708
00:24:19,140 --> 00:24:19,980
She was in on it.

709
00:24:19,980 --> 00:24:23,180
She's like, when they go to church, she's like, mom,

710
00:24:23,180 --> 00:24:24,100
I want Sean's room.

711
00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:26,820
And mom's like, I got you.

712
00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:27,620
What the fuck?

713
00:24:27,620 --> 00:24:29,180
Yeah.

714
00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:30,700
She's the prized project.

715
00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:32,220
She's probably very similar to Diane

716
00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:33,740
since they spent so much time together.

717
00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:36,500
She might be in on it.

718
00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:39,700
So again, the family tried to piece themselves back together.

719
00:24:39,700 --> 00:24:40,940
Five months later.

720
00:24:40,940 --> 00:24:45,740
All was calm in the Stoutie house until eight months later.

721
00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:48,020
Oh, she waited an extra three this time.

722
00:24:48,020 --> 00:24:49,540
Who else is going to die?

723
00:24:49,540 --> 00:24:52,940
In June of 2013, Sarah became sick.

724
00:24:52,940 --> 00:24:53,860
No.

725
00:24:53,860 --> 00:24:56,220
Upon hearing the news, the family's pastor

726
00:24:56,220 --> 00:24:59,140
made an anonymous phone call to local police.

727
00:24:59,140 --> 00:25:01,020
And he was fearful because he thought

728
00:25:01,020 --> 00:25:04,180
that Sarah would be next when he heard that she was sick.

729
00:25:04,180 --> 00:25:06,700
The police took the report, but with no proof of anything

730
00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:09,500
untoward happening, they could only take a report.

731
00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:11,020
Sure enough, within the next few weeks,

732
00:25:11,020 --> 00:25:14,980
Diane would rush her second eldest child, Sarah, to the ER.

733
00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:18,060
Doctors received Sarah in horrible condition.

734
00:25:18,060 --> 00:25:19,820
Her internal organs were failing.

735
00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:23,100
Her brain was hemorrhaging, and she was in critical condition.

736
00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:25,340
When learning about this, police rushed to the hospital

737
00:25:25,340 --> 00:25:28,260
in hopes to talk to Sarah about what had transpired

738
00:25:28,260 --> 00:25:31,940
and her experiences in the home leading up to this event.

739
00:25:31,940 --> 00:25:33,780
Police learned that all of Sarah's testing

740
00:25:33,780 --> 00:25:36,980
came back negative for most causes of what the symptoms she

741
00:25:36,980 --> 00:25:38,380
was exhibiting were.

742
00:25:38,380 --> 00:25:40,740
And therefore, it must be some kind of toxin being introduced

743
00:25:40,740 --> 00:25:42,140
into her system.

744
00:25:42,140 --> 00:25:44,820
Springfield police, not LA.

745
00:25:44,820 --> 00:25:48,620
Springfield police then went back and looked through Sean

746
00:25:48,620 --> 00:25:50,980
and Mark's autopsy reports and realizing

747
00:25:50,980 --> 00:25:54,020
that there was the red rings that was consistent

748
00:25:54,020 --> 00:25:55,620
on both of the reports.

749
00:25:55,620 --> 00:26:00,220
And realizing that they had similar, I guess,

750
00:26:00,220 --> 00:26:02,620
afflictions or symptoms, stomach aches and things

751
00:26:02,620 --> 00:26:05,780
like that, that they realized that they were probably

752
00:26:05,780 --> 00:26:07,660
all being poisoned.

753
00:26:07,660 --> 00:26:10,140
But of course, they can't do an autopsy now or anything

754
00:26:10,140 --> 00:26:11,220
like that.

755
00:26:11,220 --> 00:26:12,740
After speaking with multiple witnesses,

756
00:26:12,740 --> 00:26:14,700
detectives determined that both Sean and Mark

757
00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:16,940
had been experiencing same symptoms,

758
00:26:16,940 --> 00:26:18,820
along with the ones that Sarah was experiencing.

759
00:26:18,820 --> 00:26:21,420
And with all of this, Diane was brought in for questioning.

760
00:26:21,420 --> 00:26:28,100
OK, so this lady is literally like,

761
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:30,140
she's going in order, clearly, with her husband

762
00:26:30,140 --> 00:26:32,260
and then the oldest child going down.

763
00:26:32,260 --> 00:26:34,900
But she's literally just acting like everything's

764
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:35,820
normal for eight months.

765
00:26:35,820 --> 00:26:39,860
And she's like, hmm, all right, Sarah is next.

766
00:26:39,860 --> 00:26:43,940
Like the person that I, like you're like, I can't even

767
00:26:43,940 --> 00:26:45,340
imagine that.

768
00:26:45,340 --> 00:26:47,300
And being in the house as one of the children,

769
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:50,020
I'm sure, hopefully, they don't all die.

770
00:26:50,020 --> 00:26:52,380
But imagine being in that house.

771
00:26:52,380 --> 00:26:55,220
And her probably trying to convince you that, oh,

772
00:26:55,220 --> 00:26:57,340
your brother and your dad were just sick and they died.

773
00:26:57,340 --> 00:26:58,740
They're just sick, yeah.

774
00:26:58,740 --> 00:27:00,820
That they're having complications.

775
00:27:00,820 --> 00:27:02,460
And that you're trying to like, she's

776
00:27:02,460 --> 00:27:05,460
trying to put it in their head that they're sick.

777
00:27:05,460 --> 00:27:07,140
They're going to die.

778
00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:08,020
Like, yeah.

779
00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:13,020
But then imagine being, let's say, Sarah and seeing

780
00:27:13,020 --> 00:27:17,020
her brother and her dad be sick and die and then having

781
00:27:17,020 --> 00:27:19,700
the same symptoms and realizing, oh, shit,

782
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:20,900
I'm probably going to die too.

783
00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:23,980
But probably not even realizing that she was being poisoned.

784
00:27:23,980 --> 00:27:24,140
Right.

785
00:27:24,140 --> 00:27:25,660
It was just like a family illness.

786
00:27:25,660 --> 00:27:27,820
It was a family illness, yeah, exactly.

787
00:27:27,820 --> 00:27:29,860
Oh my god, that is so awful.

788
00:27:29,860 --> 00:27:31,900
You're fucking children.

789
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:33,860
I'm sorry, I really don't know who the killer is.

790
00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:34,860
I keep saying it's her.

791
00:27:34,860 --> 00:27:36,340
That's probably fucking her.

792
00:27:36,340 --> 00:27:38,740
So Diane was cooperative at the beginning of the interview.

793
00:27:38,740 --> 00:27:40,940
After all, she had only thought that she was being interviewed

794
00:27:40,940 --> 00:27:43,900
for what happened to Sarah at this point.

795
00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:45,460
They're like, we need to talk to you about Sarah.

796
00:27:45,460 --> 00:27:46,340
Just like, come on in.

797
00:27:46,340 --> 00:27:48,180
Just make sure, you know, like, whenever.

798
00:27:48,180 --> 00:27:50,180
I don't know.

799
00:27:50,180 --> 00:27:51,900
So not that police already at this point

800
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:54,780
had done an entire investigation on Sean and Mark's death.

801
00:27:54,780 --> 00:27:56,980
So she stated that Sarah had only started becoming sick

802
00:27:56,980 --> 00:27:59,980
in the last week with headaches and kind of throwing up.

803
00:27:59,980 --> 00:28:02,860
She defended herself in saying that she didn't take Sarah

804
00:28:02,860 --> 00:28:05,260
to the doctor because she had, quote,

805
00:28:05,260 --> 00:28:09,700
seen the flu worse than what Sarah was experiencing

806
00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:14,580
and that it wasn't that bad, end quote, is what Diane said.

807
00:28:14,580 --> 00:28:18,540
Diane said that Sarah, well, I mean, that, again, it sounds

808
00:28:18,540 --> 00:28:22,540
sus, but, you know, Sean was known to get really sick.

809
00:28:22,540 --> 00:28:26,700
Maybe she was used to sickly Sean and not sick Sarah, right?

810
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:27,700
Oh.

811
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:28,700
Hmm.

812
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:30,340
I don't know.

813
00:28:30,340 --> 00:28:32,100
Diane said that Sarah had been sleeping

814
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:36,540
for almost an entire day, but that that wasn't unusual

815
00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:38,940
because she is a college kid.

816
00:28:38,940 --> 00:28:40,620
But once she came home from church,

817
00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:44,780
that Sarah was unresponsive and that Rachel had to help her

818
00:28:44,780 --> 00:28:48,540
carry Sarah into the car to rush her to the hospital.

819
00:28:48,540 --> 00:28:50,500
Why is this bitch always at church when things, things

820
00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:51,020
are happening?

821
00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:53,620
She's doing that because she's like, OK, I'm going to go to church.

822
00:28:53,620 --> 00:28:55,180
She's a Christian lady that's like,

823
00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:57,900
Teejit, I replaced myself at church.

824
00:28:57,900 --> 00:28:58,940
And then when I come back.

825
00:28:58,940 --> 00:29:01,340
Can possibly be her if she was a church.

826
00:29:01,340 --> 00:29:04,980
She's Diane goes on to say that in response

827
00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:06,900
to the detective's questions on whether or not

828
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:09,340
she knew what caused Sarah to become sick.

829
00:29:09,340 --> 00:29:13,580
Diane replied with quote, well, she is bipolar.

830
00:29:13,580 --> 00:29:17,740
So my thing is like, did she try to overdose or something?

831
00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:19,260
End quote.

832
00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:22,420
I'm fucking sorry.

833
00:29:22,420 --> 00:29:25,020
Well, fuck is that a sentence?

834
00:29:25,020 --> 00:29:26,540
What is that a sentence?

835
00:29:26,540 --> 00:29:28,140
I know.

836
00:29:28,140 --> 00:29:29,900
OK, so every quote in here is verbatim

837
00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:33,380
because I watched that interview like a billion times.

838
00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:33,900
Yeah.

839
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:35,660
Well, she is bipolar.

840
00:29:35,660 --> 00:29:39,820
So she probably just got the flu and decided to overdose.

841
00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:41,380
What the fuck?

842
00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:42,020
It's horrible.

843
00:29:42,020 --> 00:29:45,020
The fact that she leads with, well, she's bipolar.

844
00:29:45,020 --> 00:29:48,740
Like that has anything to do with the fact that she's sick?

845
00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:51,100
Or does it?

846
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:53,460
Is the mom fucking bipolar?

847
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:55,700
No, I'm telling you, she probably has fucking munchin'

848
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:56,340
has it.

849
00:29:56,340 --> 00:29:58,140
Munchin' has it.

850
00:29:58,140 --> 00:29:59,380
Munchin' has it.

851
00:29:59,380 --> 00:30:00,860
I always say munchin' has it.

852
00:30:00,860 --> 00:30:01,820
Munchin' has it.

853
00:30:01,820 --> 00:30:03,900
Munchin' has it.

854
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:05,900
Did we edit that out from that one episode?

855
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:09,300
Because I think you said munchin's has it a few times.

856
00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:11,540
Well, I definitely edited it so I didn't sound silly.

857
00:30:11,540 --> 00:30:15,860
But I remember I was like the person

858
00:30:15,860 --> 00:30:19,220
that the disorder is named after is a verenbon munchin'

859
00:30:19,220 --> 00:30:20,220
has it.

860
00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:21,420
Verenbon munchin' has it.

861
00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:23,980
That's what it's like.

862
00:30:23,980 --> 00:30:24,540
Why?

863
00:30:24,540 --> 00:30:25,900
That has nothing to do with.

864
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:26,580
It doesn't.

865
00:30:26,580 --> 00:30:27,740
The situation.

866
00:30:27,740 --> 00:30:31,180
So Diane actually countered her own statement

867
00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:32,860
about the possible overdose saying

868
00:30:32,860 --> 00:30:35,500
that she had gone through Sarah's medications

869
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:38,220
when she got home after taking Sarah to the hospital.

870
00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:41,820
And it didn't seem that anything was out of the ordinary.

871
00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:44,900
So in the moment that she's like, well, she is bipolar.

872
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:46,260
Maybe she wanted to overdose.

873
00:30:46,260 --> 00:30:48,060
She was like, but then I went home and I

874
00:30:48,060 --> 00:30:48,900
checked all the drugs.

875
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:50,500
It wasn't that.

876
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:52,180
It's very bizarre.

877
00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:57,620
It's almost like she wants to give a reason as to why

878
00:30:57,620 --> 00:31:00,060
this might be happening to Sarah.

879
00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:02,660
But it's almost like this weird and there's

880
00:31:02,660 --> 00:31:05,420
definitely another example or two that she gives or that I

881
00:31:05,420 --> 00:31:07,660
can give in the interview.

882
00:31:07,660 --> 00:31:10,620
But it's almost like she wants to give enough information

883
00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:13,620
to kind of make them like to throw them off a trail.

884
00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:16,900
But then she also kind of doesn't.

885
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:19,140
It's almost like she wants to take responsibility

886
00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:19,980
in a weird way.

887
00:31:19,980 --> 00:31:21,940
Well, she also I feel like she really

888
00:31:21,940 --> 00:31:23,260
wants to sound like reputable.

889
00:31:23,260 --> 00:31:26,900
Like she wants to be like, I know everything about everything.

890
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:29,140
She was doing this, but it might be this.

891
00:31:29,140 --> 00:31:32,660
Like she's trying to dissect it for them,

892
00:31:32,660 --> 00:31:34,380
even though she fucking knows exactly what happened.

893
00:31:34,380 --> 00:31:36,500
She knows exactly probably what happened.

894
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:38,380
Yeah.

895
00:31:38,380 --> 00:31:39,980
It's almost like she wants to give them enough,

896
00:31:39,980 --> 00:31:41,180
but she also doesn't.

897
00:31:41,180 --> 00:31:46,020
It's like she's trying to like peel back the onion with them.

898
00:31:46,020 --> 00:31:47,180
You know, kind of a thing.

899
00:31:47,180 --> 00:31:48,380
Exactly.

900
00:31:48,380 --> 00:31:50,140
And I think it's also maybe trying

901
00:31:50,140 --> 00:31:53,820
to gain information about what they know too.

902
00:31:53,820 --> 00:31:55,620
She's like, well, it might be an overdose.

903
00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:58,340
But you know, like, you know, and then the detective go, well,

904
00:31:58,340 --> 00:31:59,860
in fact, it wasn't an overdose.

905
00:31:59,860 --> 00:32:00,740
It wasn't an overdose.

906
00:32:00,740 --> 00:32:01,140
Well, this is not.

907
00:32:01,140 --> 00:32:01,740
Exactly.

908
00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:03,260
Which they're not going to fucking do that

909
00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:04,980
because they're trained interrogators.

910
00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:06,260
Of course.

911
00:32:06,260 --> 00:32:08,260
She also continued to reference multiple times

912
00:32:08,260 --> 00:32:10,900
throughout the interview that the doctors had found nothing

913
00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:13,220
to indicate why Sarah was so sick.

914
00:32:13,220 --> 00:32:14,580
She's a registered nurse.

915
00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:17,300
And she keeps referencing multiple times that the,

916
00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:19,340
well, the doctors didn't find anything.

917
00:32:19,340 --> 00:32:20,780
The doctors didn't find anything.

918
00:32:20,780 --> 00:32:21,940
The doctors didn't know.

919
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:24,340
The doctors have no idea.

920
00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:25,220
They can't explain it.

921
00:32:25,220 --> 00:32:26,900
They actually got away with it because they

922
00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:27,740
didn't find anything.

923
00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:28,980
She thinks, oh, I'm just going to go in

924
00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:30,580
for this little interview, and then everything's

925
00:32:30,580 --> 00:32:31,340
going to be fine.

926
00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:31,860
Yeah.

927
00:32:31,860 --> 00:32:33,500
Like, this is a standard procedure

928
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:35,100
when people get sick or something.

929
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:37,100
Well, it's funny because this is only the first time she's

930
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:38,940
been interviewed for a family member passing away.

931
00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:41,020
So you think that they're fucking on to something or not?

932
00:32:41,020 --> 00:32:43,260
Because she probably weren't interviewed for the dad or the son.

933
00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:44,300
Or the son.

934
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:46,780
So the detective at this point asked Diane whether or not

935
00:32:46,780 --> 00:32:50,140
she thought Sarah would ingest anything that wasn't pills

936
00:32:50,140 --> 00:32:52,900
on purpose, to which Diane replies, quote,

937
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:55,660
well, she could have gotten into some cleaners or something

938
00:32:55,660 --> 00:32:59,060
like that, end quote, end quote.

939
00:32:59,060 --> 00:33:02,380
Whatever it was, it did a number on her, end quote.

940
00:33:02,380 --> 00:33:04,020
Keep in mind, this is a grown-out woman.

941
00:33:04,020 --> 00:33:05,420
This is not a toddler.

942
00:33:05,420 --> 00:33:07,740
This is something like your fucking daughter.

943
00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:09,220
This is your daughter.

944
00:33:09,220 --> 00:33:11,620
Oh, it took a toll on her.

945
00:33:11,620 --> 00:33:13,820
Like, it was cancer or something.

946
00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:15,180
Yeah, it did a number on her.

947
00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:16,460
It did a number on her.

948
00:33:16,460 --> 00:33:19,260
Like, she ate an edible, and she got really fucking high.

949
00:33:19,260 --> 00:33:19,980
Yeah.

950
00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:21,300
Or took some acid.

951
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:22,940
That's wild.

952
00:33:22,940 --> 00:33:27,420
The term, like, the quote, she could have gotten into some cleaners

953
00:33:27,420 --> 00:33:28,260
or stuff like that.

954
00:33:28,260 --> 00:33:29,060
Gotten into something.

955
00:33:29,060 --> 00:33:29,980
Like, she's a dog.

956
00:33:29,980 --> 00:33:30,980
Like, she's a dog.

957
00:33:30,980 --> 00:33:31,940
Yeah.

958
00:33:31,940 --> 00:33:32,740
Or a stung-able.

959
00:33:32,740 --> 00:33:33,580
Stung-able, but that's it.

960
00:33:33,580 --> 00:33:34,260
Yeah.

961
00:33:34,260 --> 00:33:34,980
Whoop, whoop.

962
00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:35,620
Draino.

963
00:33:35,620 --> 00:33:36,100
Oh.

964
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:39,500
Or I feed my children because I'm a good mom, quote,

965
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:42,660
unquote, good mom, and I poison their food

966
00:33:42,660 --> 00:33:44,260
when they're not fucking looking.

967
00:33:44,260 --> 00:33:46,100
She would again counter her own statement

968
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:48,700
by saying that she couldn't picture Sarah doing something

969
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:49,660
like that.

970
00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:52,060
But a second ago, you just said maybe she overdosed.

971
00:33:52,060 --> 00:33:53,980
Well, maybe she didn't because she didn't have any pills.

972
00:33:53,980 --> 00:33:56,740
But I couldn't see her drinking Draino or Windex.

973
00:33:56,740 --> 00:33:58,500
Maybe she got into cleaners, though.

974
00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:00,820
But maybe she got into some cleaners.

975
00:34:00,820 --> 00:34:03,100
Took a number on her.

976
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:04,980
Took a nightmare on her.

977
00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:06,020
That's ridiculous.

978
00:34:06,020 --> 00:34:07,420
Isn't that so bizarre?

979
00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:10,060
She's, like, not helping her fucking case.

980
00:34:10,060 --> 00:34:12,340
Diane actually further retracts by saying

981
00:34:12,340 --> 00:34:14,460
that she doesn't believe that Sarah would actually hurt

982
00:34:14,460 --> 00:34:17,620
herself at all because Sarah didn't seem depressed.

983
00:34:17,620 --> 00:34:18,380
But she's bipolar.

984
00:34:18,380 --> 00:34:19,460
But she's bipolar.

985
00:34:19,460 --> 00:34:20,940
It's just really interesting because, again,

986
00:34:20,940 --> 00:34:22,420
we were talking about that a second ago.

987
00:34:22,420 --> 00:34:24,420
She doesn't want to blame the victim at certain points,

988
00:34:24,420 --> 00:34:26,020
but she also doesn't want to give the detectives

989
00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:27,220
enough to work with.

990
00:34:27,220 --> 00:34:27,820
Yeah.

991
00:34:27,820 --> 00:34:29,500
It's really weird.

992
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:32,380
So throughout the entire interview, Diane laughs,

993
00:34:32,380 --> 00:34:36,100
makes jokes, and seems overall in a positive mood.

994
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:38,100
Diane goes over family history of strokes,

995
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:39,540
medical conditions.

996
00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:41,100
But she does agree with the detective

997
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:43,020
when the detective implies that Sarah is too young

998
00:34:43,020 --> 00:34:45,100
to be experiencing these types of symptoms.

999
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:45,500
Yeah.

1000
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:46,620
Maybe.

1001
00:34:46,620 --> 00:34:47,780
Maybe, Sean.

1002
00:34:47,780 --> 00:34:48,380
But Sarah?

1003
00:34:48,380 --> 00:34:48,980
Yeah.

1004
00:34:48,980 --> 00:34:50,740
She even agrees that Sarah was actually

1005
00:34:50,740 --> 00:34:52,340
in good health before this incident.

1006
00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:55,900
She even mentions that Sarah's toxicology report came back

1007
00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:57,500
negative.

1008
00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:59,060
Keep in mind, she's a nurse.

1009
00:34:59,060 --> 00:35:01,860
And she continuously slips when talking to detectives.

1010
00:35:01,860 --> 00:35:03,420
At one point, she states that she thought

1011
00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:05,980
that Sarah was going to die the night before taking her

1012
00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:07,500
to the hospital.

1013
00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:09,260
And the detectives, like, what do you mean?

1014
00:35:09,260 --> 00:35:11,060
And she's, like, well, her labs came back,

1015
00:35:11,060 --> 00:35:12,540
and they were really awful.

1016
00:35:12,540 --> 00:35:15,020
It shows that, like, so when the lab,

1017
00:35:15,020 --> 00:35:17,100
after she went to the hospital, the labs came back.

1018
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:20,140
So clearly, she's acknowledging that Sarah was very sick.

1019
00:35:20,140 --> 00:35:23,100
She thought that Sarah would die the night before.

1020
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:26,220
So why aren't you taking her to the hospital?

1021
00:35:26,220 --> 00:35:28,860
It's just, it's absolutely gross.

1022
00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:30,420
You have medical training.

1023
00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:30,980
Exactly.

1024
00:35:30,980 --> 00:35:32,180
You have medical training.

1025
00:35:32,180 --> 00:35:32,660
You know.

1026
00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:34,900
And you just didn't think it was that bad?

1027
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:36,020
That's a stupid excuse.

1028
00:35:36,020 --> 00:35:37,260
I've seen the flu worse.

1029
00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:40,020
I've seen the flu worse than that.

1030
00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:41,180
Fucking poor Sarah.

1031
00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:43,820
I mean, I feel like she moved back home from college,

1032
00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:45,500
and, like, this is what fucking happens.

1033
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:46,580
Like, oh my god.

1034
00:35:46,580 --> 00:35:48,780
When she wanted support and my help.

1035
00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:49,500
Yeah, exactly.

1036
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:51,780
It's really sad.

1037
00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:53,820
I can hear this nasty woman's voice in my head.

1038
00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:56,500
I can't stand it.

1039
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:58,220
So yeah, like you said, Diane clearly

1040
00:35:58,220 --> 00:36:02,420
has an understanding of how sick these people were, I think.

1041
00:36:02,420 --> 00:36:04,820
Diane expresses that she was worried that it was going

1042
00:36:04,820 --> 00:36:07,900
to, quote, happen again, end quote.

1043
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:09,100
Oh, but never Rachel.

1044
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:12,380
It's going to be the baby, because Rachel is too perfect.

1045
00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:15,140
The detectives do bring up Mark and Sean eventually

1046
00:36:15,140 --> 00:36:16,940
and ask what happened to them.

1047
00:36:16,940 --> 00:36:19,820
Diane states when asked about Mark and Sean

1048
00:36:19,820 --> 00:36:21,500
that Mark had died of a heart attack

1049
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:23,820
and that Sean had died of a seizure disorder

1050
00:36:23,820 --> 00:36:26,180
and that he was severely autistic,

1051
00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:27,460
as if that's the cause of death.

1052
00:36:27,460 --> 00:36:28,300
What the fuck?

1053
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:29,060
I'm not even kidding.

1054
00:36:29,060 --> 00:36:32,020
She goes, oh, well, you know, and Sean, he just, you know,

1055
00:36:32,020 --> 00:36:35,700
he had a seizure disorder and he was severely autistic.

1056
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:36,940
You're a fucking nurse.

1057
00:36:36,940 --> 00:36:40,420
You should know that autism is not fatal.

1058
00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:42,940
But she mentions it, like, on purpose.

1059
00:36:42,940 --> 00:36:44,700
It's so strange.

1060
00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:46,860
But, OK, if you remember, the Emmy reports

1061
00:36:46,860 --> 00:36:49,580
were just saying natural causes, not heart attack,

1062
00:36:49,580 --> 00:36:51,100
not seizure disorder.

1063
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:53,980
She's trying to make it seem like they're different.

1064
00:36:53,980 --> 00:36:55,500
Like they're all different instances.

1065
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:56,340
Yeah.

1066
00:36:56,340 --> 00:36:59,260
And not potentially by the same thing.

1067
00:36:59,260 --> 00:37:00,700
It's gross.

1068
00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:01,660
Gross.

1069
00:37:01,660 --> 00:37:03,780
The detective asks exactly how do you

1070
00:37:03,780 --> 00:37:05,340
die from a seizure disorder?

1071
00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:06,500
Oh my god, yes.

1072
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:08,820
To which Diane had absolutely no reply.

1073
00:37:08,820 --> 00:37:10,060
Keep in mind, again, like you said,

1074
00:37:10,060 --> 00:37:11,980
she's a practicing nurse.

1075
00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:13,580
The detective takes a short break

1076
00:37:13,580 --> 00:37:17,940
and this time is, by the time that they come back,

1077
00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:20,220
they start kind of leaning into Diane,

1078
00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:22,180
giving them a feeling that, like, he's dominating

1079
00:37:22,180 --> 00:37:23,500
the conversation at this point.

1080
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:24,260
OK.

1081
00:37:24,260 --> 00:37:25,060
Psychology.

1082
00:37:25,060 --> 00:37:26,020
Yeah, exactly.

1083
00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:28,740
He brings up household cleaners and asks Diane

1084
00:37:28,740 --> 00:37:31,180
if she knows about any of the cleaners

1085
00:37:31,180 --> 00:37:33,740
that they have at the house that Sarah might have ingested

1086
00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:34,940
to cause such a thing.

1087
00:37:34,940 --> 00:37:36,580
Because, again, she's an RN.

1088
00:37:36,580 --> 00:37:38,300
So Diane insists that she usually

1089
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:39,980
doesn't keep cleaners in the house that

1090
00:37:39,980 --> 00:37:43,260
have very pungent smells because she doesn't like it.

1091
00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:46,300
So she usually uses all-natural stuff.

1092
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:50,060
So again, if you're using all-natural cleaners.

1093
00:37:50,060 --> 00:37:52,020
How do you think that she got into something?

1094
00:37:52,020 --> 00:37:54,220
Into something, or whatever.

1095
00:37:54,220 --> 00:37:56,620
So just so I'm clear, Sarah, at this point,

1096
00:37:56,620 --> 00:37:58,660
during this interview, is still in the hospital.

1097
00:37:58,660 --> 00:37:59,660
She has not passed away.

1098
00:37:59,660 --> 00:38:01,180
She's in critical condition, however.

1099
00:38:01,180 --> 00:38:02,300
OK, I just want to make sure I know.

1100
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:04,860
In severe condition.

1101
00:38:04,860 --> 00:38:07,340
So the detective just peppers in the fact

1102
00:38:07,340 --> 00:38:10,180
that even if certain cleaners would,

1103
00:38:10,180 --> 00:38:12,940
like even if she were to ingest certain cleaners,

1104
00:38:12,940 --> 00:38:15,500
it may be hard to stomach the taste alone.

1105
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:17,420
Doesn't matter what kind of cleaner it is,

1106
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:18,740
whether it's holistic or not.

1107
00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:20,500
You can't ingest a lot.

1108
00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:24,020
Right, because it would be gross.

1109
00:38:24,020 --> 00:38:25,940
Most cleaners have terrible taste, and not only that,

1110
00:38:25,940 --> 00:38:29,540
but your body would usually just reject that immediately.

1111
00:38:29,540 --> 00:38:32,660
So at this point, it's like coming back around to this,

1112
00:38:32,660 --> 00:38:36,700
like, who would do that on purpose, essentially?

1113
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:40,220
Who would voluntarily drink bleach or something?

1114
00:38:40,220 --> 00:38:41,860
A chemical like that, right?

1115
00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:43,540
So at this point, I think Diane's like shitting herself,

1116
00:38:43,540 --> 00:38:47,660
because she's just like, she's already a small framed woman.

1117
00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:50,220
But she just kind of starts going into herself at this point,

1118
00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:52,700
and you can kind of tell it's getting to her early questions.

1119
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:54,100
I need to see this interview.

1120
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:56,660
It's really haunting, actually.

1121
00:38:56,660 --> 00:38:59,500
The detective asks if she knows any reason

1122
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:01,620
that anybody would want to harm Sarah,

1123
00:39:01,620 --> 00:39:04,300
and even asks if she thinks that Rachel might have done

1124
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:08,020
something to Sarah, to which Diane adamantly states,

1125
00:39:08,020 --> 00:39:10,220
no, absolutely not, Rachel would not do that.

1126
00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:11,500
Rachel's perfect.

1127
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:14,180
She's perfect, y'all.

1128
00:39:14,180 --> 00:39:16,820
So when asked if Diane thinks that this is a,

1129
00:39:16,820 --> 00:39:19,060
that an in-depth toxicology report

1130
00:39:19,060 --> 00:39:22,180
would show anything suspicious, Diane said, quote,

1131
00:39:22,180 --> 00:39:23,380
I don't think so.

1132
00:39:23,380 --> 00:39:27,420
I mean, what would they even be looking for, end quote.

1133
00:39:27,420 --> 00:39:30,140
The detective says, what do you mean, quote,

1134
00:39:30,140 --> 00:39:31,900
well, if you're looking for a chemical,

1135
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:34,460
I wouldn't even know what kind of chemical that would be,

1136
00:39:34,460 --> 00:39:35,460
end quote.

1137
00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:37,300
She later states, quote,

1138
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:40,940
I don't anticipate anything showing up, end quote.

1139
00:39:40,940 --> 00:39:43,620
Not like, why would they do that?

1140
00:39:43,620 --> 00:39:45,460
It's clearly gonna be negative,

1141
00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:47,060
because you know what I mean?

1142
00:39:47,060 --> 00:39:48,620
She's like, what are they looking for,

1143
00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:51,780
so I know what to say, like if this happens.

1144
00:39:51,780 --> 00:39:54,460
Also, I want to be clear about the whole Rachel thing.

1145
00:39:54,460 --> 00:39:56,220
I am not trying to be like, Rachel's perfect.

1146
00:39:56,220 --> 00:39:58,060
I'm saying like Diane is saying that.

1147
00:39:58,060 --> 00:39:58,900
Oh yeah.

1148
00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:01,500
I'm not saying anything negative about Rachel, of course.

1149
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:03,380
So the detective then drops the bomb on Diane,

1150
00:40:03,380 --> 00:40:05,380
and he states that further testing on Sarah

1151
00:40:05,380 --> 00:40:06,700
will be done extensively,

1152
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:09,980
and that they have acquired samples from the ME's office

1153
00:40:09,980 --> 00:40:11,420
for both Sean and Mark,

1154
00:40:11,420 --> 00:40:16,420
because they took DNA from them before the cremations.

1155
00:40:16,460 --> 00:40:17,300
Yeah.

1156
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:20,260
So that they're gonna test the DNA that they have for,

1157
00:40:20,260 --> 00:40:25,260
not DNA, but you know, whatever the samples that they have.

1158
00:40:25,660 --> 00:40:29,100
She gave out like a, huh, at that point.

1159
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:32,060
They start talking about finances,

1160
00:40:32,060 --> 00:40:34,220
and Diane goes on to describe,

1161
00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:38,540
so the detective essentially asks Diane,

1162
00:40:38,540 --> 00:40:39,980
so when Mark passed,

1163
00:40:39,980 --> 00:40:43,860
I, you know, what kind of financial gain did you get from that,

1164
00:40:43,860 --> 00:40:47,940
or not gain, but from the insurance?

1165
00:40:47,940 --> 00:40:50,260
And she said that she had bought, you know,

1166
00:40:50,260 --> 00:40:52,860
that she had sold the house and they bought the house.

1167
00:40:52,860 --> 00:40:56,100
So essentially that's what she gained from Mark's death.

1168
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:58,740
When asked what she did with the life insurance

1169
00:40:58,740 --> 00:41:00,340
that she had out on Sean,

1170
00:41:00,340 --> 00:41:04,300
she said the money that she had received from Sean's death

1171
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:06,260
went to go pay off debt.

1172
00:41:06,260 --> 00:41:08,820
And when asked what she would do with Sarah's

1173
00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:10,460
life insurance policy, she said,

1174
00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:12,340
probably pay off more debt.

1175
00:41:12,340 --> 00:41:15,100
So she already knew what she was going to be doing

1176
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:16,900
with the benefit money that she would be getting

1177
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:18,140
from Sarah's death.

1178
00:41:18,140 --> 00:41:19,860
But Sarah hasn't died yet.

1179
00:41:19,860 --> 00:41:20,700
Right.

1180
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:24,420
So how do you already know what you would do with the money?

1181
00:41:24,420 --> 00:41:26,940
Oh my, that literally makes my stomach hurt.

1182
00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:27,780
Isn't that awful?

1183
00:41:27,780 --> 00:41:28,940
That is disgusting.

1184
00:41:28,940 --> 00:41:30,340
That's your children.

1185
00:41:30,340 --> 00:41:33,380
Not to mention, like, not for fucking nothing,

1186
00:41:33,380 --> 00:41:34,820
but usually when you hear of things

1187
00:41:34,820 --> 00:41:38,380
like Munchausen by proxy, I don't know if this is necessarily

1188
00:41:38,380 --> 00:41:39,980
that case or it's just cold murder,

1189
00:41:39,980 --> 00:41:42,220
but it's like younger children.

1190
00:41:42,220 --> 00:41:47,220
Like these people are adults, 26 and 24 years old.

1191
00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:48,900
Or yeah, right?

1192
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:49,740
Cause Rachel's 22.

1193
00:41:49,740 --> 00:41:50,620
Yeah, Rachel's 22.

1194
00:41:50,620 --> 00:41:52,780
So Sarah's 24 and Sean was 26.

1195
00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:53,620
Yeah.

1196
00:41:53,620 --> 00:41:57,140
So 26 and 24 years old, like these are adults.

1197
00:41:57,140 --> 00:42:01,980
Like you have raised these children for 26 and 24 years

1198
00:42:01,980 --> 00:42:03,740
and now all of a sudden they're expendable.

1199
00:42:03,740 --> 00:42:04,580
Right.

1200
00:42:04,580 --> 00:42:05,820
That's so disgusting.

1201
00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:08,820
So furthermore, Diane was saying that she was planning

1202
00:42:08,820 --> 00:42:11,940
on taking a trip to Florida with the family.

1203
00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:15,540
I'll put quotes around family because yeah.

1204
00:42:15,540 --> 00:42:16,380
Or lack of fans of.

1205
00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:19,180
Because half of her family is like, yeah.

1206
00:42:19,180 --> 00:42:20,860
Oh my God.

1207
00:42:20,860 --> 00:42:21,700
But of course.

1208
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:23,980
But it was planning because she had the money yet.

1209
00:42:23,980 --> 00:42:24,820
Yeah, exactly.

1210
00:42:24,820 --> 00:42:27,460
There was like some loose ends that they still hadn't tied up

1211
00:42:27,460 --> 00:42:29,740
because she was waiting for Sarah to die.

1212
00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:31,700
I think that's my speculation.

1213
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:34,740
Okay, so let me just put this into perspective here.

1214
00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:39,500
If you want to take a trip, take out a fucking credit card.

1215
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:40,340
Take out a loan.

1216
00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:41,380
Take out a line of credit or a loan.

1217
00:42:41,380 --> 00:42:42,540
Don't buy a new house.

1218
00:42:42,540 --> 00:42:44,940
Use that fucking money from that loan

1219
00:42:44,940 --> 00:42:46,620
or the line of credit to pay for that trip.

1220
00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:50,900
Don't fucking murder somebody or three people now.

1221
00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:53,700
Pick up Wednesday night shifts to play the organ.

1222
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:55,380
Fucking work.

1223
00:42:55,380 --> 00:42:56,820
She does work.

1224
00:42:56,820 --> 00:42:57,660
Work more.

1225
00:42:57,660 --> 00:42:58,500
Work more.

1226
00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:00,980
Anything that not fucking kills three people

1227
00:43:00,980 --> 00:43:02,180
is ridiculous.

1228
00:43:02,180 --> 00:43:03,180
Yeah.

1229
00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:04,420
Okay, go.

1230
00:43:04,420 --> 00:43:07,260
When Asda described the relationship between herself

1231
00:43:07,260 --> 00:43:08,860
and her late husband, Mark,

1232
00:43:08,860 --> 00:43:12,500
Diane said that, quote, the marriage wasn't great end quote.

1233
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:15,540
Quote, he wasn't the best husband end quote.

1234
00:43:15,540 --> 00:43:20,060
End quote, he wasn't good for society end quote.

1235
00:43:20,060 --> 00:43:21,900
I'm so sorry.

1236
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:22,740
In what way?

1237
00:43:22,740 --> 00:43:24,460
She had stayed because she was afraid

1238
00:43:24,460 --> 00:43:26,100
that he would kill himself.

1239
00:43:26,980 --> 00:43:28,980
So you murdered him?

1240
00:43:28,980 --> 00:43:31,540
That makes no sense.

1241
00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:33,460
Well, she's afraid he would kill himself

1242
00:43:33,460 --> 00:43:36,540
so I didn't fucking for him.

1243
00:43:36,540 --> 00:43:38,780
She's not confessing anything yet.

1244
00:43:38,780 --> 00:43:40,580
I'm just, we all fucking know.

1245
00:43:40,580 --> 00:43:42,460
We all know it's a secret.

1246
00:43:42,460 --> 00:43:43,580
Anyone.

1247
00:43:43,580 --> 00:43:47,500
She, Sarah was staying at home too much

1248
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:49,300
was another thing that she was saying

1249
00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:51,940
and that it was impossible for Sarah to find a job.

1250
00:43:51,940 --> 00:43:54,340
She said that quote, Sarah is a difficult child

1251
00:43:54,340 --> 00:43:56,020
to deal with end quote.

1252
00:43:56,020 --> 00:43:58,100
She often stated that she had argued

1253
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:01,300
with the kids often and that she had made references

1254
00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:03,420
to feeling burdens by being a parent.

1255
00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:05,220
I wonder where she fucking got that from?

1256
00:44:05,220 --> 00:44:09,860
She constantly stated that almost everyone in the house

1257
00:44:09,860 --> 00:44:11,860
wanted to kill themselves at one point or another

1258
00:44:11,860 --> 00:44:13,700
during this whole interrogation.

1259
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:15,940
She's trying to make it okay that they died.

1260
00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:17,140
Well, it's okay that they died.

1261
00:44:17,140 --> 00:44:18,300
It was a pity killing.

1262
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:20,260
Yeah, it was a pity killing.

1263
00:44:20,260 --> 00:44:23,220
I guess that it's to ease our conscience or something.

1264
00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:24,100
Of course it is.

1265
00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:26,700
When asked about the cremation of Mark and Sean

1266
00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:28,940
and confirming that she would also

1267
00:44:28,940 --> 00:44:32,700
would have cremated Sarah in the event of her passing,

1268
00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:36,140
she said that the caskets were simply too expensive.

1269
00:44:36,140 --> 00:44:38,620
And at this point, Diane asked if she needed a lawyer

1270
00:44:38,620 --> 00:44:40,620
because she felt guilty that she didn't act sooner

1271
00:44:40,620 --> 00:44:43,900
when taking her kids to the hospital.

1272
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:45,380
She's also in her mind like,

1273
00:44:45,380 --> 00:44:48,260
can we just cremate Sarah now before she accidentally wakes up

1274
00:44:48,260 --> 00:44:49,820
and fucking like, outs me?

1275
00:44:49,820 --> 00:44:51,260
Outs her.

1276
00:44:51,260 --> 00:44:53,500
After listening to the detective for some time,

1277
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:55,020
Diane states that she had wished

1278
00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:57,580
that she had just killed herself instead,

1279
00:44:57,580 --> 00:45:01,460
to which the detective of course said, instead of what?

1280
00:45:01,460 --> 00:45:02,620
During this entire interview,

1281
00:45:02,620 --> 00:45:05,660
Diane evades questions for almost an hour and a half.

1282
00:45:05,660 --> 00:45:07,980
And at this point, she's just started saying

1283
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:10,820
that she didn't know anything for a long time

1284
00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:13,140
until she began to talk to detectives

1285
00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:16,020
as to why she's a bad person.

1286
00:45:16,020 --> 00:45:18,260
And she said that she was a bad person

1287
00:45:18,260 --> 00:45:22,220
because she knew that they, being Mark, Sean and Sarah,

1288
00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:25,620
were drinking antifreeze on purpose.

1289
00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:31,020
All natural chemicals in the house?

1290
00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:32,500
Where the fuck is the antifreeze?

1291
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:34,660
That isn't, that isn't the criteria

1292
00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:35,780
of all natural chemicals.

1293
00:45:35,780 --> 00:45:37,340
Yeah.

1294
00:45:37,340 --> 00:45:40,860
And I'm sorry, drinking antifreeze in the house?

1295
00:45:40,860 --> 00:45:43,060
Like, that's like, it's like an ongoing failure.

1296
00:45:43,060 --> 00:45:43,900
Yeah, like it's fun.

1297
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:45,460
Continuously drinking antifreeze.

1298
00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:46,700
Yeah.

1299
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:49,220
It's, you know, some hand sanitizer here,

1300
00:45:49,220 --> 00:45:50,500
some antifreeze there.

1301
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:52,540
Maybe like, totally normal fucking by anymore,

1302
00:45:52,540 --> 00:45:54,380
antifreeze if that's actually happening.

1303
00:45:54,380 --> 00:45:55,660
Ugh.

1304
00:45:55,660 --> 00:45:57,100
That's, isn't that awful?

1305
00:45:57,100 --> 00:45:58,740
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

1306
00:45:58,740 --> 00:46:01,180
They were doing it on purpose and she felt guilty

1307
00:46:01,180 --> 00:46:02,300
because she didn't report them

1308
00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:03,140
or take them to the hospital.

1309
00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:05,260
After hours of interrogation,

1310
00:46:05,260 --> 00:46:06,780
she finally fucking says that,

1311
00:46:06,780 --> 00:46:08,060
don't you think if that was the truth,

1312
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:09,940
that would be the first thing that she fucking said

1313
00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:12,380
every single time one of these people died?

1314
00:46:12,380 --> 00:46:13,500
It gets better.

1315
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:16,660
Or worse, depending on, yeah.

1316
00:46:16,660 --> 00:46:18,180
Welcome to Diagnosing a Killer.

1317
00:46:18,180 --> 00:46:22,420
At one point, Diane insinuated that Sarah

1318
00:46:22,420 --> 00:46:25,060
was the perpetrator of Sean's death

1319
00:46:25,060 --> 00:46:29,220
and that Sarah had been poisoning Sean to spite Diane.

1320
00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:31,020
I don't know how.

1321
00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:33,060
I don't know how that's spiteful to Diane.

1322
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:38,180
That's why she waited to take Sarah to the hospital,

1323
00:46:38,180 --> 00:46:40,180
essentially to get back at her

1324
00:46:40,180 --> 00:46:43,940
because she knew that Sarah was poisoning her brother

1325
00:46:43,940 --> 00:46:45,820
and that her brother had died.

1326
00:46:45,820 --> 00:46:48,460
Therefore, she wanted Sarah to suffer

1327
00:46:48,460 --> 00:46:51,700
when Sarah was drinking antifreeze

1328
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:53,580
on her own fucking volition.

1329
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:56,900
She didn't immediately take her to the hospital

1330
00:46:56,900 --> 00:46:59,060
as payback for killing her son.

1331
00:46:59,060 --> 00:47:03,020
This is the best part about trained interrogators

1332
00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:06,780
and interrogations is that they always fucking end

1333
00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:10,300
with the dumb ass murderer just talking themselves in

1334
00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:12,300
to getting fucking arrested and being shit

1335
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:14,180
because they are so dumb.

1336
00:47:14,180 --> 00:47:18,020
And she thinks that she can outsmart everybody.

1337
00:47:18,020 --> 00:47:20,860
And now she is talking in circles

1338
00:47:20,860 --> 00:47:23,780
and contradicting herself in all this jazz.

1339
00:47:23,780 --> 00:47:26,260
And also, another thing that I have to say about that

1340
00:47:26,260 --> 00:47:29,700
is that I can't stand a pussy motherfucker

1341
00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:32,740
that tries to blame one of their victims for a murder

1342
00:47:32,740 --> 00:47:34,180
that they also fucking committed.

1343
00:47:34,180 --> 00:47:36,060
Right, absolutely.

1344
00:47:36,060 --> 00:47:38,260
Yeah, essentially she was trying to say

1345
00:47:38,260 --> 00:47:43,260
it was an attempted murder suicide thing.

1346
00:47:43,260 --> 00:47:45,380
But like the slowest one fucking ever.

1347
00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:46,220
Yeah.

1348
00:47:46,220 --> 00:47:48,900
Like she was like, oh no, my daughter was poisoning

1349
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:50,380
my son and then she murdered him

1350
00:47:50,380 --> 00:47:53,020
and then she slowly tried to commit suicide

1351
00:47:53,020 --> 00:47:54,300
by drinking antifreeze.

1352
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:55,980
That makes literal no sense.

1353
00:47:55,980 --> 00:47:57,460
No sense, no sense.

1354
00:47:58,420 --> 00:48:00,340
Like it's lunacy.

1355
00:48:00,340 --> 00:48:02,620
Furthermore, she had also stated that Sean

1356
00:48:02,620 --> 00:48:04,380
was the one that poisoned Mark.

1357
00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:05,220
Oh, of course he fucking did.

1358
00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:07,900
So there's like a whole line of poisoning here.

1359
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:09,700
And she's like, I don't know, I'm just gonna go

1360
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:11,500
to church on Sundays and play the organ.

1361
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:13,660
And she's also like, I've known this information

1362
00:48:13,660 --> 00:48:14,860
the entire time we've been sitting here

1363
00:48:14,860 --> 00:48:16,940
and I could have solved all these fucking crimes

1364
00:48:16,940 --> 00:48:17,780
this whole time.

1365
00:48:17,780 --> 00:48:19,460
Like at this point it's been a year, over a year.

1366
00:48:19,460 --> 00:48:20,300
Yeah.

1367
00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:21,620
You've known over a year that these people

1368
00:48:21,620 --> 00:48:23,460
were drinking antifreeze or poisoning each other

1369
00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:24,300
on purpose?

1370
00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:25,140
That's so dumb.

1371
00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:25,980
It's so weird.

1372
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:26,820
It's a fucking cop out.

1373
00:48:26,820 --> 00:48:28,820
It's the weirdest thing I've ever heard.

1374
00:48:28,820 --> 00:48:31,540
So she went on to say that after Mark's passing

1375
00:48:31,540 --> 00:48:33,420
that it was actually a relief for her

1376
00:48:33,420 --> 00:48:35,660
and she just doesn't tell people that.

1377
00:48:35,660 --> 00:48:37,620
She said that she was mad at them,

1378
00:48:37,620 --> 00:48:39,540
meaning Mark and Sean and Sarah,

1379
00:48:39,540 --> 00:48:41,140
that they were all poisoning each other

1380
00:48:41,140 --> 00:48:44,020
and that she deliberately didn't take them to get help

1381
00:48:44,020 --> 00:48:45,900
because she was mad.

1382
00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:47,220
So it's so fucking dumb.

1383
00:48:47,220 --> 00:48:48,700
It's awful.

1384
00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:52,500
So with that, she agreed when the detective said that,

1385
00:48:53,980 --> 00:48:55,420
like the detective had asked her,

1386
00:48:55,420 --> 00:48:57,180
do you think that your problems would be solved

1387
00:48:57,180 --> 00:48:58,700
if they all just died?

1388
00:48:58,700 --> 00:49:00,060
And she said yes.

1389
00:49:00,060 --> 00:49:00,900
She agreed to that.

1390
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:02,540
They all, like the three of them?

1391
00:49:02,540 --> 00:49:03,380
Yes.

1392
00:49:04,220 --> 00:49:06,420
Two of them already did though.

1393
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:07,260
Right.

1394
00:49:07,260 --> 00:49:08,100
Well, he's just saying like,

1395
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:09,060
do you think that your problems would be solved?

1396
00:49:09,060 --> 00:49:10,460
Like financially,

1397
00:49:10,460 --> 00:49:14,100
like this burden of you having this financial burden,

1398
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:16,740
they're constantly fighting or poisoning each other.

1399
00:49:16,740 --> 00:49:18,180
They don't like each other, whatever.

1400
00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:19,700
Do you think that it would solve your problems

1401
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:20,700
if they had just died?

1402
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:21,700
And she said yes.

1403
00:49:21,700 --> 00:49:22,740
Or if they died.

1404
00:49:22,740 --> 00:49:25,500
Convenient that that's exactly what fucking happened.

1405
00:49:27,060 --> 00:49:29,060
So she's kind of like at this point, like, you know,

1406
00:49:29,060 --> 00:49:30,060
just, yeah.

1407
00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:30,900
She's admitting.

1408
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:31,740
Right.

1409
00:49:31,740 --> 00:49:32,580
Just shit.

1410
00:49:32,580 --> 00:49:34,300
Slowly, but surely.

1411
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:37,460
She went on to say that Sean and Sarah would trash the house

1412
00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:40,500
and never contribute to chores that needed to be done.

1413
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:42,180
The detective asked how long Diane

1414
00:49:42,180 --> 00:49:43,860
had been poisoning her children.

1415
00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:44,740
Oh!

1416
00:49:44,740 --> 00:49:45,580
Straight up.

1417
00:49:45,580 --> 00:49:47,340
How long have you been poisoning your children

1418
00:49:47,340 --> 00:49:49,500
before they met their fates?

1419
00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:51,580
She then admitted to the crime.

1420
00:49:51,580 --> 00:49:53,660
She admitted that she was giving them antifreeze

1421
00:49:53,660 --> 00:49:54,900
in their coaxes.

1422
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:57,620
She started this just a few days before Sean's death

1423
00:49:57,620 --> 00:49:59,460
and Sarah's hospitalization.

1424
00:49:59,460 --> 00:50:02,800
So just a few days before each of these cases.

1425
00:50:03,740 --> 00:50:06,420
She said that she didn't want them to suffer, however.

1426
00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:09,460
So she tried to put in as much as possible

1427
00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:11,060
without them noticing.

1428
00:50:13,220 --> 00:50:15,740
She stated that she believed that they were already

1429
00:50:15,740 --> 00:50:17,120
drinking it themselves.

1430
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,460
So she was just helping them along.

1431
00:50:19,460 --> 00:50:21,700
Oh my fucking God.

1432
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:22,980
I was silent that whole time.

1433
00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:24,020
I couldn't keep my fucking mouth.

1434
00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:26,340
She also admitted that she had no idea

1435
00:50:26,340 --> 00:50:28,380
how long the process would take.

1436
00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:31,300
So she was like, oh, it's just like

1437
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:32,980
to make sure that it happens faster,

1438
00:50:32,980 --> 00:50:36,500
but also I have no idea how long they could be suffering

1439
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:38,140
because she didn't know, apparently,

1440
00:50:38,140 --> 00:50:39,540
but she's also an RN.

1441
00:50:39,540 --> 00:50:42,620
Convenient that she was the one that mentioned antifreeze

1442
00:50:42,620 --> 00:50:43,980
like way earlier on.

1443
00:50:43,980 --> 00:50:44,820
Yep.

1444
00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:47,340
She began to explain that she got the antifreeze online

1445
00:50:47,340 --> 00:50:49,420
because she knew that any regular retailer

1446
00:50:49,420 --> 00:50:52,900
usually carries ethylene glycol or antifreeze

1447
00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:56,220
with a bittering agent, which makes it to deter people

1448
00:50:56,220 --> 00:50:58,300
from actually consuming it or alerts people

1449
00:50:58,300 --> 00:50:59,340
that there's something in their drink

1450
00:50:59,340 --> 00:51:01,020
because we know that's a problem.

1451
00:51:01,020 --> 00:51:04,260
So she was actually purchasing the ethylene glycol

1452
00:51:04,260 --> 00:51:07,420
in industrial gallons online because it had

1453
00:51:09,340 --> 00:51:11,060
without the bittering agent in it,

1454
00:51:11,060 --> 00:51:12,420
which makes it very, very sweet.

1455
00:51:12,420 --> 00:51:15,660
So you can mask it and things like Coke and Gatorade

1456
00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:16,620
and stuff like that.

1457
00:51:16,620 --> 00:51:21,100
So she literally just changed her charge

1458
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:23,540
from like the crime of passion or anything

1459
00:51:23,540 --> 00:51:24,980
to fucking first degree murder

1460
00:51:24,980 --> 00:51:27,460
because that is absolute fucking planning.

1461
00:51:27,460 --> 00:51:28,300
Yeah.

1462
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:31,100
Industrial gallons, industrial gallon sized.

1463
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:33,580
It doesn't matter if you were helping them along

1464
00:51:33,580 --> 00:51:34,940
doing something which I obviously-

1465
00:51:34,940 --> 00:51:35,780
Yeah, she was talking about.

1466
00:51:35,780 --> 00:51:37,020
She didn't fucking do that.

1467
00:51:37,020 --> 00:51:39,060
But she literally planned this out.

1468
00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:39,900
Oh, of course.

1469
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:40,740
Absolutely.

1470
00:51:40,740 --> 00:51:41,580
Fucking idiot.

1471
00:51:42,860 --> 00:51:44,580
So this is all starting to like come out

1472
00:51:44,580 --> 00:51:45,420
little by little, right?

1473
00:51:45,420 --> 00:51:46,580
And again, like at this point,

1474
00:51:46,580 --> 00:51:50,100
she's kind of like in herself and she just,

1475
00:51:51,220 --> 00:51:53,740
would answer questions like this.

1476
00:51:55,020 --> 00:51:56,580
Just very, very stoic.

1477
00:51:56,580 --> 00:51:57,900
Because she knows she's fucking caught.

1478
00:51:57,900 --> 00:51:58,740
Yeah.

1479
00:51:58,740 --> 00:51:59,580
And she knows she's caught.

1480
00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:00,420
And at this point it's like,

1481
00:52:00,420 --> 00:52:01,500
well, I'm gonna give him a little bit.

1482
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:03,660
Well, then that really doesn't really explain that.

1483
00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:05,020
So I have to give him a little bit over here

1484
00:52:05,020 --> 00:52:07,380
and a little bit over here and a little bit over here.

1485
00:52:07,380 --> 00:52:08,220
Which is painting a picture.

1486
00:52:08,220 --> 00:52:09,220
Which can't keep track of all her lies.

1487
00:52:09,220 --> 00:52:10,340
Right, exactly.

1488
00:52:10,340 --> 00:52:11,900
So she had admitted to poisoning Mark

1489
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:13,660
over the course of three days,

1490
00:52:13,660 --> 00:52:15,100
but then she had stopped.

1491
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:17,260
I don't know why she didn't really explain that.

1492
00:52:17,260 --> 00:52:19,700
She might've changed her mind or something.

1493
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:20,940
But when Mark got better,

1494
00:52:20,940 --> 00:52:22,460
she decided to continue the poisoning

1495
00:52:22,460 --> 00:52:26,100
because she realized that she, quote, hated his guts.

1496
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:26,940
End quote.

1497
00:52:26,940 --> 00:52:29,140
She said, I hated his guts.

1498
00:52:29,140 --> 00:52:30,940
You're not that fucking important, lady.

1499
00:52:30,940 --> 00:52:33,340
You don't need to determine if he lives or dies

1500
00:52:33,340 --> 00:52:34,180
because you don't like him.

1501
00:52:34,180 --> 00:52:35,020
Because you don't like him.

1502
00:52:35,020 --> 00:52:36,060
Divorce is an option.

1503
00:52:36,060 --> 00:52:37,020
Divorce.

1504
00:52:37,020 --> 00:52:41,660
The detectives then asked for the motive of Sean's death.

1505
00:52:41,660 --> 00:52:46,100
Sean was interfering with whatever Diane wanted to do.

1506
00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:48,420
Sean would just be in her business.

1507
00:52:49,580 --> 00:52:50,780
So he's a little annoying.

1508
00:52:50,780 --> 00:52:51,620
He's annoying.

1509
00:52:51,620 --> 00:52:54,300
That's a fucking reason for killing someone.

1510
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:55,140
Yep.

1511
00:52:55,140 --> 00:52:57,100
According to Diane's dowdy,

1512
00:52:57,100 --> 00:52:59,260
she said she didn't know what else to do with him,

1513
00:52:59,260 --> 00:53:01,420
but he made her wanted to pull her hair out.

1514
00:53:01,420 --> 00:53:03,660
She described her only son as quote,

1515
00:53:03,660 --> 00:53:05,180
bizarre end quote,

1516
00:53:05,180 --> 00:53:08,300
and was more than a bother, more than a pest.

1517
00:53:09,220 --> 00:53:11,900
Her son, her autistic child, I'm sorry.

1518
00:53:12,860 --> 00:53:13,700
What the fuck?

1519
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:15,380
Isn't that awful?

1520
00:53:15,380 --> 00:53:17,620
This woman is cold fucking blooded.

1521
00:53:17,620 --> 00:53:18,740
I'm not even kidding.

1522
00:53:19,580 --> 00:53:21,660
Diane started poisoning Sean.

1523
00:53:21,660 --> 00:53:23,380
And similar to her last pattern,

1524
00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:24,620
she began to poison him,

1525
00:53:24,620 --> 00:53:27,220
stop after a few days, then continue

1526
00:53:27,220 --> 00:53:29,660
after she felt that he was doing better.

1527
00:53:29,660 --> 00:53:31,140
I find this particularly interesting

1528
00:53:31,140 --> 00:53:33,540
because she describes it as like changing her mind

1529
00:53:33,540 --> 00:53:34,660
all of a sudden.

1530
00:53:34,660 --> 00:53:36,380
Like all of a sudden she has a heart,

1531
00:53:36,380 --> 00:53:38,500
but then she's like, you know,

1532
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:40,340
she didn't stop because she thought

1533
00:53:40,340 --> 00:53:41,980
that the last dose would do the trick.

1534
00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:42,980
And then she would just,

1535
00:53:42,980 --> 00:53:45,300
because she didn't want to get caught essentially,

1536
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:46,860
is what I think it is.

1537
00:53:46,860 --> 00:53:48,900
And the way that she's explaining it to the detective is like,

1538
00:53:48,900 --> 00:53:51,260
well, I kind of had a change of heart.

1539
00:53:51,260 --> 00:53:53,460
And then, you know, they got better.

1540
00:53:53,460 --> 00:53:55,740
And then I just, but really all it is,

1541
00:53:55,740 --> 00:53:58,500
is she just wanted to do as little as possible,

1542
00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:00,420
which is the complete opposite of what she said.

1543
00:54:00,420 --> 00:54:02,140
Like stretching it out longer.

1544
00:54:02,140 --> 00:54:04,700
Yeah, you're essentially making that person suffer longer,

1545
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:05,900
which is the opposite of what she said.

1546
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:08,740
She said that she tried to do it as much as possible

1547
00:54:08,740 --> 00:54:10,980
so that just to help them,

1548
00:54:10,980 --> 00:54:13,260
like she's fucking cavoer can or something.

1549
00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:17,100
When in reality, she was just micro dosing them

1550
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:20,380
to keep them sick or whatever over and over and over again.

1551
00:54:20,380 --> 00:54:23,220
I'm like actually not just thinking about that.

1552
00:54:23,220 --> 00:54:25,540
Sarah was poisoned over the course of four days.

1553
00:54:25,540 --> 00:54:28,340
And when asked why she decided to take Sarah to the hospital

1554
00:54:28,340 --> 00:54:30,500
instead of letting her die at home like the others,

1555
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:32,260
she said she couldn't do it.

1556
00:54:32,260 --> 00:54:35,300
Diane denied that Rachel had any involvement whatsoever.

1557
00:54:36,180 --> 00:54:39,500
And then asked why Rachel and Brianna were allowed to live.

1558
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:43,620
Diane said, quote, because I love those two, end quote.

1559
00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:46,220
So you didn't love the other three?

1560
00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:49,460
She said that she's quote, not a perpetual killer.

1561
00:54:49,460 --> 00:54:52,540
I'm just stupid, end quote.

1562
00:54:52,540 --> 00:54:54,180
Great fucking excuse.

1563
00:54:54,180 --> 00:54:56,700
Well, at this point, the detective starts asking

1564
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:59,180
about our nursing history and is like,

1565
00:54:59,180 --> 00:55:01,140
how long have you been an RN?

1566
00:55:01,140 --> 00:55:04,620
Are there any other people that you've harmed

1567
00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:07,340
to try to get attention to which, of course, she denied.

1568
00:55:08,660 --> 00:55:10,100
But who knows?

1569
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:10,940
Literally.

1570
00:55:10,940 --> 00:55:12,780
She's killed other people, other patients of hers

1571
00:55:12,780 --> 00:55:14,540
because clearly she likes the attention

1572
00:55:14,540 --> 00:55:15,980
of whatever's going on here.

1573
00:55:15,980 --> 00:55:17,820
She probably took Sarah to the hospital

1574
00:55:17,820 --> 00:55:18,820
because she was like, okay,

1575
00:55:18,820 --> 00:55:20,260
either she's gonna die at the hospital

1576
00:55:20,260 --> 00:55:22,180
or she's not and then I can just do this again.

1577
00:55:22,180 --> 00:55:23,020
Yeah.

1578
00:55:23,940 --> 00:55:24,780
So at this point.

1579
00:55:24,780 --> 00:55:26,580
Sarah was the last one.

1580
00:55:26,580 --> 00:55:27,420
Yeah.

1581
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:29,380
Diane was arrested for murder at this point.

1582
00:55:29,380 --> 00:55:30,220
Oh.

1583
00:55:30,220 --> 00:55:31,060
Oh.

1584
00:55:31,060 --> 00:55:32,900
Detective's next course of action

1585
00:55:32,900 --> 00:55:36,220
was to interview Diane's 22 year old daughter, Rachel,

1586
00:55:36,220 --> 00:55:37,500
given that the two were really close

1587
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:39,500
and they spent a lot of time together.

1588
00:55:39,500 --> 00:55:41,740
They suspected that she might have known something

1589
00:55:41,740 --> 00:55:42,740
about what was going on

1590
00:55:42,740 --> 00:55:44,820
since they were really, really close.

1591
00:55:44,820 --> 00:55:46,140
Rachel began to tell detectives

1592
00:55:46,140 --> 00:55:50,420
that Sarah was very lazy and she loved to lay around

1593
00:55:50,420 --> 00:55:52,340
and that she had troubles with her sister for some time

1594
00:55:52,340 --> 00:55:53,660
at this point.

1595
00:55:53,660 --> 00:55:56,020
Rachel said that she was less than tolerable

1596
00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:57,740
with her attitude.

1597
00:55:57,740 --> 00:55:59,860
When asked why Rachel and her mother

1598
00:55:59,860 --> 00:56:02,380
took Sarah to the hospital, Rachel said,

1599
00:56:02,380 --> 00:56:04,380
after her dad and brother died,

1600
00:56:04,380 --> 00:56:07,260
the thought of living in another death house was like,

1601
00:56:07,260 --> 00:56:08,520
ew, gross.

1602
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,380
Don't even wanna think about it.

1603
00:56:10,380 --> 00:56:13,180
Houses are nasty when someone dies in it.

1604
00:56:13,180 --> 00:56:14,100
That's what she said.

1605
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:17,340
That's the only reason that they fucking took her

1606
00:56:17,340 --> 00:56:18,380
to the hospital.

1607
00:56:18,380 --> 00:56:19,940
Rachel was living in Sean's room at the time.

1608
00:56:19,940 --> 00:56:21,900
Remember, she moved into the room.

1609
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:23,980
She said that she would frequently have nightmares

1610
00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:25,180
about him.

1611
00:56:25,180 --> 00:56:27,620
Rachel awkwardly laughs through the interview

1612
00:56:27,620 --> 00:56:29,620
and although she mostly keeps her arms crossed,

1613
00:56:29,620 --> 00:56:33,780
she constantly swings her legs, which are crossed.

1614
00:56:33,780 --> 00:56:35,660
But so she has her leg crossed

1615
00:56:35,660 --> 00:56:37,580
and she's just swinging her leg constantly.

1616
00:56:37,580 --> 00:56:38,420
Anxious.

1617
00:56:38,420 --> 00:56:39,820
Very anxious.

1618
00:56:39,820 --> 00:56:42,060
The only time Rachel actually gets emotional

1619
00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:45,300
is when the detective begins to mention the stress

1620
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:47,300
that Diane goes through on a daily basis,

1621
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:49,100
I mean, to provide for the family.

1622
00:56:49,100 --> 00:56:50,740
It's the only time she gets emotional.

1623
00:56:50,740 --> 00:56:52,540
She's not gonna emotional talking about her dad,

1624
00:56:52,540 --> 00:56:54,580
her brother or her sister.

1625
00:56:54,580 --> 00:56:56,580
When she starts talking about the emotional

1626
00:56:57,580 --> 00:57:00,180
and all of the stress that Diane goes through

1627
00:57:00,180 --> 00:57:02,220
with the finances and the deaths and all that.

1628
00:57:02,220 --> 00:57:03,820
She's brainwashed.

1629
00:57:03,820 --> 00:57:05,620
She cried.

1630
00:57:05,620 --> 00:57:08,180
The detective tells Rachel that her mother early in the day

1631
00:57:08,180 --> 00:57:10,580
had actually confessed to killing her dad and her brother

1632
00:57:10,580 --> 00:57:12,180
and attempted to kill her sister.

1633
00:57:13,060 --> 00:57:15,540
Other than a hand over her mouth,

1634
00:57:15,540 --> 00:57:18,380
Rachel shows absolutely no emotion at first.

1635
00:57:18,380 --> 00:57:19,540
She does not say a word.

1636
00:57:19,540 --> 00:57:21,140
She does not appear to be wide eyed

1637
00:57:21,140 --> 00:57:24,220
and she does not ask what happened at all.

1638
00:57:24,220 --> 00:57:28,220
So she's not someone that's shocked hearing the news

1639
00:57:28,220 --> 00:57:29,780
that her mother committed three murders.

1640
00:57:29,780 --> 00:57:33,420
She's reacting to the fact that the detectives know

1641
00:57:33,420 --> 00:57:35,380
that her mother killed these three people.

1642
00:57:35,380 --> 00:57:39,180
I think she's reacting to the fact that her mother confessed.

1643
00:57:39,180 --> 00:57:40,500
Yeah, exactly.

1644
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:45,500
Yeah, that the mother had told detectives

1645
00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:47,220
essentially everything.

1646
00:57:47,220 --> 00:57:48,500
She begins to cry at this point

1647
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:51,620
and the detective explains that Diane confessed

1648
00:57:51,620 --> 00:57:54,140
that what exactly she had confessed to.

1649
00:57:54,140 --> 00:57:57,340
When asked if she had any involvement, she denies it.

1650
00:57:57,340 --> 00:58:00,780
The next day, the police bring Rachel in again

1651
00:58:00,780 --> 00:58:01,860
for questioning.

1652
00:58:01,860 --> 00:58:04,460
So she's allowed to leave at that point.

1653
00:58:04,460 --> 00:58:06,180
She comes back in for questioning.

1654
00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:08,300
At this point, they had warrants for the house

1655
00:58:08,300 --> 00:58:09,140
and all this other stuff, right?

1656
00:58:09,140 --> 00:58:11,060
So they're going through everything.

1657
00:58:11,060 --> 00:58:13,300
They bring her back for more questioning.

1658
00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:16,180
After the house was searched for evidence of the crimes,

1659
00:58:16,180 --> 00:58:18,940
they found a journal belonging to Rachel.

1660
00:58:18,940 --> 00:58:21,780
In the journal, police found entries that indicated

1661
00:58:21,780 --> 00:58:23,780
that she knew that her dad was dying

1662
00:58:23,780 --> 00:58:26,140
and that Sean would be next.

1663
00:58:26,140 --> 00:58:27,820
The entry stated, quote,

1664
00:58:27,820 --> 00:58:30,620
It's sad when I realize how my father will pass on

1665
00:58:30,620 --> 00:58:32,380
in the next two months.

1666
00:58:32,380 --> 00:58:35,140
Sean, my brother will move on shortly after.

1667
00:58:35,140 --> 00:58:37,140
It'll be tough to get through these changes,

1668
00:58:37,140 --> 00:58:39,700
but everything will work out, end quote.

1669
00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:42,740
So it's hell of premeditated.

1670
00:58:42,740 --> 00:58:43,940
Yeah, even Rachel knew.

1671
00:58:43,940 --> 00:58:45,100
What did I say earlier though?

1672
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:47,460
I had a hunch that she was a star pupil.

1673
00:58:47,460 --> 00:58:50,740
I take back what I said about her not being mad.

1674
00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:52,220
At this point of the interrogation,

1675
00:58:52,220 --> 00:58:53,380
Rachel begins to confess

1676
00:58:53,380 --> 00:58:55,100
that she did know about the poisonings.

1677
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:58,100
She said that it was her mother's idea with her dad first

1678
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:00,340
and that although Rachel didn't condone the murder

1679
00:59:00,340 --> 00:59:04,060
of her sibling, she did not want to go against her mother.

1680
00:59:04,060 --> 00:59:06,180
Rachel insisted that Sarah knew about the poisonings

1681
00:59:06,180 --> 00:59:08,340
as well and that it may be a motive

1682
00:59:08,340 --> 00:59:10,220
for Diane to poison Sarah

1683
00:59:10,220 --> 00:59:13,300
because Sarah knew everything that was going on.

1684
00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:16,180
Rachel would sum it up in these three statements.

1685
00:59:16,180 --> 00:59:18,100
Dad was for a little peace.

1686
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:19,700
Sean was annoying.

1687
00:59:19,700 --> 00:59:23,500
Sarah was nosy, very nosy and had no purpose.

1688
00:59:24,740 --> 00:59:26,020
Are you fucking kidding me?

1689
00:59:26,020 --> 00:59:27,620
Who the hell are you to decide

1690
00:59:27,620 --> 00:59:29,940
who has a purpose in this fucking world if he doesn't?

1691
00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:32,220
She's the daughter of her mother.

1692
00:59:32,220 --> 00:59:36,260
I mean, clearly they find these to be reasonable.

1693
00:59:36,260 --> 00:59:37,100
Reasons.

1694
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:38,180
Reasons, motives.

1695
00:59:38,180 --> 00:59:39,540
That's ridiculous.

1696
00:59:39,540 --> 00:59:40,900
When asked who would be next,

1697
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:43,780
Rachel said that Brianna would be next.

1698
00:59:43,780 --> 00:59:45,660
That it was just gonna be Rachel and her mom.

1699
00:59:45,660 --> 00:59:47,780
Of course, that's exactly what they both fucking wanted.

1700
00:59:47,780 --> 00:59:50,380
And it's because Brianna also suffered

1701
00:59:50,380 --> 00:59:52,500
from a learning condition as well.

1702
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:55,700
And that makes her less deserving of living.

1703
00:59:55,700 --> 00:59:57,260
Rachel said that she was really surprised

1704
00:59:57,260 --> 01:00:00,460
when her mom wanted to go through with killing Brianna

1705
01:00:00,460 --> 01:00:04,740
because Rachel said that Brianna had quote potential,

1706
01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:06,180
end quote.

1707
01:00:06,180 --> 01:00:07,900
Potential for fucking what?

1708
01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:08,740
I don't know.

1709
01:00:08,740 --> 01:00:10,980
I'm assuming that she, again,

1710
01:00:10,980 --> 01:00:13,820
that they think that they can manipulate, not manipulate,

1711
01:00:13,820 --> 01:00:17,860
but I guess like mold her in a way that they want

1712
01:00:17,860 --> 01:00:18,700
her to live.

1713
01:00:18,700 --> 01:00:19,620
Because she's so young.

1714
01:00:19,620 --> 01:00:20,460
Exactly.

1715
01:00:20,460 --> 01:00:22,740
And like, Sean was lazy and Sarah was lazy.

1716
01:00:22,740 --> 01:00:24,740
Everybody was just lazy.

1717
01:00:24,740 --> 01:00:27,420
Diane entered an Alfred plea for two counts

1718
01:00:27,420 --> 01:00:28,700
of first-degree murder,

1719
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:31,660
which is when the defendant acknowledges that

1720
01:00:31,660 --> 01:00:33,540
although they can claim innocence,

1721
01:00:33,540 --> 01:00:35,780
they realize that there's enough evidence

1722
01:00:35,780 --> 01:00:39,020
to put them away or to convict them of the crime.

1723
01:00:39,020 --> 01:00:41,420
So they're like, it's kind of like no contest,

1724
01:00:41,420 --> 01:00:44,180
but it's also like, kind of like I murdered them.

1725
01:00:44,180 --> 01:00:45,020
Yeah.

1726
01:00:45,980 --> 01:00:48,420
So Diane was actually sentenced to life in prison

1727
01:00:48,420 --> 01:00:51,580
without the possibility of parole.

1728
01:00:51,580 --> 01:00:54,220
Rachel would actually testify against her mother-in-court

1729
01:00:54,220 --> 01:00:55,620
to receive a plea deal.

1730
01:00:55,620 --> 01:00:57,620
Oh my God.

1731
01:00:57,620 --> 01:00:59,620
Rachel is serving two life sentences

1732
01:00:59,620 --> 01:01:02,500
for second-degree murder with the possibility of parole

1733
01:01:02,500 --> 01:01:05,820
after 42 years, she'll be 64 years old.

1734
01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:09,500
Oh my God, 64, and she was 22.

1735
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:12,260
Sarah unfortunately would never recover from her,

1736
01:01:12,260 --> 01:01:14,620
from the damage that she sustained from the poisoning.

1737
01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:16,940
She has physical and mental struggles permanently

1738
01:01:16,940 --> 01:01:19,500
and has to live in an assisted living home.

1739
01:01:19,500 --> 01:01:20,340
Oh my God.

1740
01:01:20,340 --> 01:01:23,300
Sarah read a victim impact statement in court

1741
01:01:23,300 --> 01:01:24,860
to her mother saying, quote,

1742
01:01:24,860 --> 01:01:27,820
not only did she take away my dad, my brother,

1743
01:01:27,820 --> 01:01:29,500
and my brother away from me,

1744
01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:32,700
but she also took away my livelihood and my independence.

1745
01:01:32,700 --> 01:01:35,540
I prefer to be called a survivor and not a victim.

1746
01:01:35,540 --> 01:01:37,740
Oh, that's so awful.

1747
01:01:37,740 --> 01:01:39,300
Isn't that an intense case?

1748
01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:40,340
I have never heard that.

1749
01:01:40,340 --> 01:01:41,180
I mean, I've heard.

1750
01:01:41,180 --> 01:01:42,020
You're bizarre.

1751
01:01:42,020 --> 01:01:43,100
Obviously similar stories,

1752
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:44,540
but I have never heard about that one.

1753
01:01:44,540 --> 01:01:46,340
And it was recent, like in the last couple,

1754
01:01:46,340 --> 01:01:47,620
like last 10 years.

1755
01:01:47,620 --> 01:01:51,740
Yeah, I think they were sentenced in 2018,

1756
01:01:51,740 --> 01:01:52,580
you know what I'm saying?

1757
01:01:52,580 --> 01:01:53,420
Lots of horror.

1758
01:01:53,420 --> 01:01:54,780
That's a crazy story.

1759
01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:57,140
I knew that, I knew it was her from the beginning, obviously,

1760
01:01:57,140 --> 01:01:59,220
but I had a hunch that Rachel had something to do with it,

1761
01:01:59,220 --> 01:02:00,860
early she knew more than she was.

1762
01:02:00,860 --> 01:02:01,700
I know, right?

1763
01:02:01,700 --> 01:02:02,540
And you thought she knew.

1764
01:02:02,540 --> 01:02:03,980
How selfish though.

1765
01:02:03,980 --> 01:02:04,820
Like how?

1766
01:02:04,820 --> 01:02:06,180
Do you think you're better than everyone else

1767
01:02:06,180 --> 01:02:08,460
and you can just like kill people left and right

1768
01:02:08,460 --> 01:02:09,700
because they're lazy?

1769
01:02:09,700 --> 01:02:10,820
Sounds like a psychosis, honestly.

1770
01:02:10,820 --> 01:02:11,660
It does.

1771
01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:14,060
And it sounds like there was,

1772
01:02:14,060 --> 01:02:15,740
I mean, that sounds like there was

1773
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:17,260
a fucking million other options.

1774
01:02:17,260 --> 01:02:19,340
Like divorce the fucking husband,

1775
01:02:19,340 --> 01:02:23,060
kick your 26 and 24 year old children out of the house.

1776
01:02:23,060 --> 01:02:25,140
They're not, I mean, Sean of course,

1777
01:02:25,140 --> 01:02:27,420
had his extra needs,

1778
01:02:27,420 --> 01:02:29,620
but give them to someone else, do something,

1779
01:02:29,620 --> 01:02:31,980
like have someone else take over.

1780
01:02:31,980 --> 01:02:33,580
If it was that big of a fucking deal,

1781
01:02:33,580 --> 01:02:37,260
don't just kill people because that makes you lazy

1782
01:02:37,260 --> 01:02:39,460
for not wanting to fucking do the whole shit.

1783
01:02:39,460 --> 01:02:42,340
And yeah, exactly, and fucking be a mother.

1784
01:02:42,340 --> 01:02:44,620
But it's also wild to me that she did that

1785
01:02:44,620 --> 01:02:46,060
after so many years.

1786
01:02:46,060 --> 01:02:48,460
Like again, usually when you hear cases like this,

1787
01:02:48,460 --> 01:02:51,980
the kids are much younger, at least like teenagers,

1788
01:02:51,980 --> 01:02:52,820
you know, at the moment.

1789
01:02:52,820 --> 01:02:54,180
It was like, it was odd.

1790
01:02:54,180 --> 01:02:59,180
I wonder though, because, okay, so, I'm gonna say two things.

1791
01:02:59,180 --> 01:03:03,540
One of the things is that Rachel had said in her interviews

1792
01:03:03,540 --> 01:03:07,100
that Diane had tried to get someone to come

1793
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:10,500
stay in the house with Sean,

1794
01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:13,940
like kind of like a live in assistant,

1795
01:03:13,940 --> 01:03:15,220
but that it never really worked out

1796
01:03:15,220 --> 01:03:16,940
because he would have outbursts, right?

1797
01:03:16,940 --> 01:03:19,660
So I mean, that may be an excuse.

1798
01:03:19,660 --> 01:03:21,380
I don't know how long they tried for that,

1799
01:03:21,380 --> 01:03:23,700
not only that, but where did they get the finances

1800
01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:26,460
without them, sorry, it can be kind of expensive.

1801
01:03:26,460 --> 01:03:29,260
I wonder if Diane just thought, well, that's too expensive

1802
01:03:29,260 --> 01:03:30,100
to do that.

1803
01:03:30,100 --> 01:03:31,780
It's like too much for what it's worth, whatever.

1804
01:03:31,780 --> 01:03:32,620
That's ridiculous.

1805
01:03:32,620 --> 01:03:35,140
That shouldn't be a fucking reason though.

1806
01:03:35,140 --> 01:03:36,980
So not only that, but let's see if she,

1807
01:03:36,980 --> 01:03:40,580
I wonder how old she was because I'm wondering

1808
01:03:40,580 --> 01:03:45,080
if there's not some underlying mental disorder

1809
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,180
that was underneath, but what I'm saying is that,

1810
01:03:48,180 --> 01:03:51,180
you know, was she a loving and doting mother

1811
01:03:51,180 --> 01:03:52,260
up until this point?

1812
01:03:52,260 --> 01:03:53,980
Like, did she have a psychosis

1813
01:03:53,980 --> 01:03:55,900
of some kind that developed later?

1814
01:03:56,700 --> 01:03:58,940
I don't think something like that develops that old.

1815
01:03:58,940 --> 01:04:02,300
I mean, if her oldest was 26, she had to at least be like,

1816
01:04:02,300 --> 01:04:03,140
40 something.

1817
01:04:03,140 --> 01:04:03,980
And she was married for 27 years.

1818
01:04:03,980 --> 01:04:04,820
Yeah.

1819
01:04:04,820 --> 01:04:05,660
I don't think that's something

1820
01:04:05,660 --> 01:04:06,700
that necessarily develops.

1821
01:04:06,700 --> 01:04:08,340
I mean, of course an environmental trauma

1822
01:04:08,340 --> 01:04:11,740
can make something develop if you experience that,

1823
01:04:11,740 --> 01:04:13,500
but as far as we can tell,

1824
01:04:13,500 --> 01:04:15,220
there wasn't really anything specific.

1825
01:04:15,220 --> 01:04:19,060
I think that maybe she always had feelings like that.

1826
01:04:19,060 --> 01:04:20,980
Maybe she was always like in that mindset

1827
01:04:20,980 --> 01:04:22,620
and maybe just decided to act upon it.

1828
01:04:22,620 --> 01:04:25,300
And as soon as, you know, she was very unhappy

1829
01:04:25,300 --> 01:04:27,820
with the husband, she got away with murdering him.

1830
01:04:27,820 --> 01:04:30,180
She was like, okay, like I can take,

1831
01:04:30,180 --> 01:04:32,780
this is how I'm gonna take care of the problems in my life.

1832
01:04:32,780 --> 01:04:35,820
It's just by making it seem like people just died

1833
01:04:35,820 --> 01:04:38,380
and they were part of my family and whatever, you know?

1834
01:04:38,380 --> 01:04:40,500
And it worked for her the first two times.

1835
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:41,980
I mean, not worked for her, that sounds bad,

1836
01:04:41,980 --> 01:04:44,020
but she got away with it for as long as she did

1837
01:04:44,020 --> 01:04:45,740
for the first two times, you know?

1838
01:04:45,740 --> 01:04:47,900
And then maybe when it was Sarah,

1839
01:04:47,900 --> 01:04:50,900
she kind of like shot herself in the foot

1840
01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:52,620
and got choked up and was like, wait, whoa,

1841
01:04:52,620 --> 01:04:54,380
this is like getting away out of hand or whatever.

1842
01:04:54,380 --> 01:04:56,020
I mean, not trying to give her any fucking benefit

1843
01:04:56,020 --> 01:04:56,860
of the time.

1844
01:04:56,860 --> 01:05:01,060
But also like, I don't know if it's Munchausen

1845
01:05:01,060 --> 01:05:03,340
because I don't think she would have killed

1846
01:05:03,340 --> 01:05:05,100
the mess fastest she did if that was the case.

1847
01:05:05,100 --> 01:05:06,260
Well, that's what I'm thinking too,

1848
01:05:06,260 --> 01:05:09,980
is like she clearly didn't tell anybody that they were sick

1849
01:05:09,980 --> 01:05:13,940
or maybe she did have Munchausen and Sean was old enough

1850
01:05:13,940 --> 01:05:16,260
and independent enough that he didn't rely on her

1851
01:05:16,260 --> 01:05:19,620
for so much anymore and she wanted him to.

1852
01:05:19,620 --> 01:05:24,180
That's an interesting thought because, yeah,

1853
01:05:24,180 --> 01:05:26,660
maybe that was her attention.

1854
01:05:26,660 --> 01:05:29,580
She clearly felt the need to like go to church and like.

1855
01:05:29,580 --> 01:05:32,580
And Sarah moved back from college, she needed help

1856
01:05:32,580 --> 01:05:34,820
and the dad was very busy

1857
01:05:34,820 --> 01:05:36,660
and obviously had this drinking problem

1858
01:05:36,660 --> 01:05:39,060
and health issues, he needed assistance as well.

1859
01:05:39,060 --> 01:05:42,220
Like she felt like, we call it the whale at work,

1860
01:05:42,220 --> 01:05:43,820
someone that puts everyone else on their back,

1861
01:05:43,820 --> 01:05:45,900
like that just takes care of everything in the house

1862
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:47,420
and like that's just how they are.

1863
01:05:47,420 --> 01:05:48,940
Maybe that's how she felt.

1864
01:05:48,940 --> 01:05:51,060
And then as soon as it became like too much of a burden,

1865
01:05:51,060 --> 01:05:52,580
she's like, oh, they need me so much,

1866
01:05:52,580 --> 01:05:54,060
like I'm doing a mercy thing.

1867
01:05:54,060 --> 01:05:56,100
Yeah, it's like a pressure relief valve.

1868
01:05:56,100 --> 01:05:58,980
It's like kill one, okay, that feels better for a while.

1869
01:05:58,980 --> 01:06:01,780
And then there's still all these other problems.

1870
01:06:01,780 --> 01:06:03,500
And then, oh, kill another, you know,

1871
01:06:03,500 --> 01:06:04,580
release a little bit of that.

1872
01:06:04,580 --> 01:06:06,060
That's awful though.

1873
01:06:06,060 --> 01:06:07,060
Yeah, because that's so right,

1874
01:06:07,060 --> 01:06:10,380
because even when she was talking about Mark to other people,

1875
01:06:10,380 --> 01:06:12,420
she was saying he had like a drinking problem

1876
01:06:12,420 --> 01:06:13,260
and like all this.

1877
01:06:13,260 --> 01:06:14,580
He needs help, he needs help.

1878
01:06:14,580 --> 01:06:16,540
Yeah, that she was exacerbating

1879
01:06:16,540 --> 01:06:18,140
or making it seem like it was bigger than it was.

1880
01:06:18,140 --> 01:06:20,740
Building a profile so that when he did die,

1881
01:06:20,740 --> 01:06:21,700
it wasn't like a shock.

1882
01:06:21,700 --> 01:06:24,580
No, I mean like to gain, to garner attention in sympathy.

1883
01:06:24,580 --> 01:06:25,420
Oh yeah, absolutely.

1884
01:06:25,420 --> 01:06:26,460
Like he has a drinking problem.

1885
01:06:26,460 --> 01:06:29,220
Oh, this poor woman who constantly goes to church

1886
01:06:29,220 --> 01:06:30,060
and she does nothing wrong

1887
01:06:30,060 --> 01:06:32,500
and she has this successful daughter,

1888
01:06:32,500 --> 01:06:35,100
so terrible that her husband's an alcoholic, you know,

1889
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:37,140
and that she gained attention that way too.

1890
01:06:37,140 --> 01:06:37,980
Interesting.

1891
01:06:37,980 --> 01:06:40,300
Hmm, but that was a really great case.

1892
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:41,940
I'm happy that you brought that one.

1893
01:06:41,940 --> 01:06:45,380
Super excited we got to sit down again together

1894
01:06:45,380 --> 01:06:46,660
and go over another case.

1895
01:06:46,660 --> 01:06:48,300
We've again, we've both been very busy,

1896
01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:49,860
but we're definitely super excited

1897
01:06:49,860 --> 01:06:52,060
to keep bringing those cases to you guys.

1898
01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:54,100
I know that we said we were gonna do some big names,

1899
01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:55,500
so I'm excited for my next case.

1900
01:06:55,500 --> 01:06:57,260
It's gonna be a really big one.

1901
01:06:57,260 --> 01:06:59,540
And also, I know that Jeffrey Dahmer

1902
01:06:59,540 --> 01:07:02,100
has been like trending on like everything.

1903
01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:04,220
So he has, he has a new Netflix,

1904
01:07:04,220 --> 01:07:06,420
like a new Netflix documentary that came out.

1905
01:07:06,420 --> 01:07:07,500
Everyone's talking about it.

1906
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:09,900
Like I say trending, like it's a good thing,

1907
01:07:09,900 --> 01:07:11,740
but for real, like a lot of social media

1908
01:07:11,740 --> 01:07:13,660
has been about that new documentary

1909
01:07:13,660 --> 01:07:14,740
and I haven't watched it yet,

1910
01:07:14,740 --> 01:07:18,020
but I'm not sure if it's a reenactment or like a...

1911
01:07:18,020 --> 01:07:18,860
I think it is.

1912
01:07:18,860 --> 01:07:20,300
Yeah, or I think it is.

1913
01:07:20,300 --> 01:07:21,620
I think it's different than like a documentary.

1914
01:07:21,620 --> 01:07:22,940
I call it like a biopic or something.

1915
01:07:22,940 --> 01:07:23,780
Yeah, yeah.

1916
01:07:23,780 --> 01:07:25,340
Either way, I'm definitely excited to watch that

1917
01:07:25,340 --> 01:07:26,460
and we'll definitely have to do,

1918
01:07:26,460 --> 01:07:28,260
I don't wanna do an episode on him anyway,

1919
01:07:28,260 --> 01:07:31,460
so we should definitely do that.

1920
01:07:31,460 --> 01:07:33,660
But other than that, you got anything else?

1921
01:07:33,660 --> 01:07:35,220
No, I think that's it.

1922
01:07:35,220 --> 01:07:36,660
I'm excited for a Halloween episode.

1923
01:07:36,660 --> 01:07:37,500
I wanna do a Halloween episode.

1924
01:07:37,500 --> 01:07:38,940
Oh yeah, definitely, definitely.

1925
01:07:38,940 --> 01:07:40,460
Well, we will catch you guys next time

1926
01:07:40,460 --> 01:07:42,700
in the meantime, you can follow us on Instagram

1927
01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:44,780
at www.diagnosingaKiller at patreon.com

1928
01:07:44,780 --> 01:07:46,660
slash www.diagnosingaKiller if you like what we do

1929
01:07:46,660 --> 01:07:49,260
and you wanna support us that way.

1930
01:07:49,260 --> 01:07:51,420
We also have Twitter at www.killerdiagnosis

1931
01:07:51,420 --> 01:07:53,900
and we have TikTok at www.diagnosingaKiller

1932
01:07:53,900 --> 01:07:56,620
as well as a Gmail account www.diagnosingaKiller

1933
01:07:56,620 --> 01:07:58,940
at www.gmail.com if you wanna just shout us out,

1934
01:07:58,940 --> 01:08:01,140
give us some love or just any suggestions

1935
01:08:01,140 --> 01:08:02,940
or anything like that, we can send to the email.

1936
01:08:02,940 --> 01:08:07,260
So other than that, I think that we are done.

1937
01:08:07,260 --> 01:08:09,260
I am starving Marvin.

1938
01:08:09,260 --> 01:08:10,100
I'm gonna go get...

1939
01:08:10,100 --> 01:08:11,340
Oh yeah, you have food in the other room.

1940
01:08:11,340 --> 01:08:13,180
I know, it's like almost midnight over here

1941
01:08:13,180 --> 01:08:15,900
so we gotta get to bed but love you guys.

1942
01:08:15,900 --> 01:08:16,900
Love you, bye.

1943
01:08:16,900 --> 01:08:17,740
Bye.

1944
01:08:17,740 --> 01:08:45,340
guys.