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Yeah, a lot's going on with us.
We got a lot of new things happening.
So true.
And so many events coming up, family-wise.
We got weddings, we have trips, we have all kinds of stuff.
So...
Hey, but guess what?
We passed a year for the podcast.
That's so true.
It's actually been a year and a month.
Happy anniversary.
Happy year anniversary.
And me and Casey's anniversary is actually tomorrow.
Oh, that's...
Five years.
Ew.
Oh, righty.
Super excited to hear that case.
I'm excited to do a case.
Today, we are going to talk about Diane Stouty.
Okay.
Diane Stouty.
But in order to talk about Diane Stouty,
we're first gonna talk about Mark Stouty and their family.
Mark Stouty was a musician.
He absolutely loved to play the harmonica
among other instruments.
He actually played in a local band.
They were called Messing with Destiny.
Ooh.
We'll see about that.
So this is actually the year 2012.
And the band was actually enjoying
quite a bit of success at this time.
They seemed to be doing really well.
They were touring a lot locally,
but they had a lot of gigs coming up.
So Mark was super proud about that.
Mark was 45 and he had been happily married
to Diane Stouty for 27 years.
They had actually met in college and they married at 1985.
I don't like how you're saying was and had been.
They kind of got into divorce.
Okay.
Divorcing a killer.
Or we'll say diagnosing a divorce.
Dignicing a divorce.
We're not marriage counselors.
Diane was a hardworking nurse
and she was an active member of the church.
She even played the organ for the congregation
on most weekends.
That's a little hard.
Yeah, they were kind of a musically talented family.
So within six months of their marriage,
Mark and Diane had their first child named Sean.
They would go on to have four amazing children in total.
The eldest being Sean, 26.
Sarah, 24.
Rachel, 22.
And Rihanna, nine to 12.
And the only reason is because of some accounts I saw
that she was 12 at the time.
I'm like an event.
You're naming the specific event.
About when something happened.
Because they're not that age forever.
I'm talking about in the year 2012.
Gotcha.
So in the year 2012, these were their ages.
Sean, 26.
Sarah, 24.
Rachel, 22.
And then Rihanna, like I said, nine or 12.
I'm pretty sure most accounts she was nine.
But then I saw something where it was like,
Rihanna was born X amount of years, like 10 years later.
So then I was like, well, that would make her 12, not nine.
So I don't know.
I just, that's why I said nine to 12.
Yeah.
Different sources.
Yeah.
And we want to be, we always want to be accurate
with our info.
Yeah.
We like to say those.
I also want to be respectful of the minor too.
Yeah, of course.
So the whole family lived in Springfield, Missouri.
They actually lived in a very modest three bedroom,
one bathroom house.
Oh my gosh.
And there were six of them.
Six of them.
Yeah.
Wow.
The eldest being the boy and then the rest all girls.
Yeah, that can be a struggle in and itself.
Right.
They're completely different, especially
after certain ages, you know, their bathroom habits
are a lot different.
One bathroom with three 20 year olds, like, no thank you.
Sure, that thing was cluttered.
Ugh.
Our bathroom is cluttered and we, it's just two of us.
It's just two of us and a baby.
Mark was described as letting the kids pretty much
get away with anything.
He was really nice and loved his children very much.
They were absolutely, like they ruled his life.
He loved his kids.
He was pretty much a stay at home dad other than part time
working with the band to just make extra money at night.
But mostly he's, you know, would drive them to and from
soccer practice or to the movies with their friends
or the mall, stuff like that.
So he was a really doting dad.
Was, was, was.
I don't like those words.
Diana, however, wasn't crazy about Mark's
nice life style, if you will.
She had said that she didn't care for the band.
She always thought that Mark had a drinking problem
or like a smoking problem.
Hi, Amy.
Hi, she's good.
Oh my god, we have to keep that in there.
What are you doing?
That bully.
He did a belly.
That was so cute.
I was like, meh, meh.
Anyway, she worked full time and she felt that most of the
financial burden was on her.
She didn't approve of his lifestyle, like going out
at night.
She didn't care for the band thing.
She kind of always had a problem with Mark drinking or
smoking while he was out, mostly because Mark wasn't in
that great of health anyways.
So she kind of had a problem with him, like going out and
drinking or smoking.
What do you mean by that though?
Like he had, like he was like kind of a bigger guy.
Just in general, he was kind of a bigger guy.
Maybe some high blood pressure or things like that.
So she thought he was just going out, getting
messed up all the time.
Which by all accounts, he kind of wasn't.
From what I could tell, a lot of his band mates were like,
I mean, he drank a few beers.
He would smoke a cigarette or two.
But he wasn't going out, getting shwaysty.
But I can also see how, especially having four kids,
maybe not during that time.
But maybe when they were younger, him not being around
a lot or not very often, is probably a little bit more
stressful on her, of course, because she's now having to
not only take care of all the finances and all that stuff,
but also the kids.
Right.
I'm sure that she would have to be a star.
I know.
She misses the guest star tonight.
Yeah, I think it was probably because she was working so much.
She was also probably just really resentful of the fact
that it seemed like he was going out just to party and whatever.
But it made sense to him because he was at home with the kids
during the day, and he could make extra money at night.
Yeah, I guess that I can see that from both perspectives.
Yeah.
Even his daughter, Rachel, would recall that he just
constantly drank soda, like a lot of soda a lot of times.
And then, especially when he was at home,
he would enjoy rum and coax on occasion.
Diane was described as, although friendly,
she seemed to be garden and standoffish
when it came to doing things outside of her comfort zone,
like meeting new people or going to family events or friend
events.
The kids recalled that Mark and Diane would regularly
fight, however, inside the home.
And although that they tried to hide it from the kids,
the older they got, the more aware
they became that their parents had a huge inability
to get along.
Well, I mean, unfortunately, it's
a lot younger of an age than you to think for kids,
for that to affect kids and children.
They remember things like that.
They remember, I've read a bunch of studies about it,
kids remembering their parents fighting
when they were as little as like 2 and 1 half or 3.
Yeah, I'm sure it can be traumatizing,
because it's two people that you love and no love you,
but why don't they love each other?
Exactly.
Or maybe, of course, they do, but maybe in the kids' mind,
yeah, they don't get along.
Like, they don't have a, you know, yeah.
What I'm trying to say is that it's like adults introducing
adult things to a child, because children don't argue
like that, because they don't have the mental capability yet,
because they don't have all of that, you know?
Yeah, and a lot of it is just adult conversations,
like adults having adult conversations with adults,
and kids either want to be a part of it.
You know, you always see like Dr. Phil episodes
when they're like, don't talk to kids about adult things.
It shouldn't be on their mind.
It shouldn't worry them.
So I bet it's hard for kids not to understand
like these adult situations and things that don't
necessarily affect them.
Yeah.
I feel like it can kind of be compared to like listening
to two people talk in another language.
Like, you can tell if it's a negative conversation,
even though you don't understand the language.
Yeah, because you feel like the context of tension.
Yeah, for sure.
On more than one occasion, the two would actually throw things
at each other, plates and stuff like that.
Diane was more so than Mark, but they would-
I never understood that.
You say like plates, like those break.
I never understood.
Why would you want it like, especially guys,
like I'm sorry, I'm not trying to like stereotype,
but men typically are the ones that throw things.
Punch walls.
Yeah, or punch walls or break things.
I'm like, dude, you're just going to be mad now again
that you just broke something and have to fix it.
Exactly.
Where I never understood that.
I threw my phone at my wall one time in like high school
because I got mad and it made like a huge dent in the wall.
And I was like, oh, shit.
Oh, no.
Never again.
No one ever knew about that.
It's just a reminder.
You used to have a friend that would purposely buy paintings
just to put over the few that-
The few walls.
Yes.
Like punches on the wall.
Exactly.
But that's just ignoring the problem.
Well, then you get the painting off the wall
and you smash it over someone's head.
It is a whole not too-
So by all accounts, Mark was like a really great dude, right?
But Diane seemed to be strict.
Sean from an early age was actually diagnosed
to be on the spectrum.
And he actually had a seizure disorder from the time
that he was very young.
Oh, wow.
He rarely ever left the comfort of his room.
And he would actually die of head first into video games
and just shut out the world around him.
Honestly, having a seizure disorder is probably-
I would probably do the same thing.
I wouldn't want to go far from like my comfort.
Yeah.
And also like the parents are arguing.
So like, why would you want to leave your room anyways?
Exactly.
Put the headphones on and just go now.
Put the headphones on and ignore the world.
Exactly.
He actually never really left home at all.
It was really difficult for him to hold down a job
because he got overwhelmed very easily
since he was on the spectrum.
He enjoyed things like comics, puzzles.
He usually kept to himself and was described by his family
as relatively low maintenance.
Other than the occasional flu, since he didn't have
a really good immune system.
He also loved to play video games and would often snack
on junk food, all that stuff.
Brianna also struggled with it at the youngest.
She also struggled with a learning disability
and she needed extra focus when completing homework
and things like that.
Sarah had been away at college.
So Sarah's the 24 year old.
She had been away at college, but like most college students,
she began to fall in hard times being away from home.
She had little money.
She had student debt that she needed to pay off at this point.
And she pretty much had no support from family
where she was living.
So she decided to move back home into the house
to get back on our feet.
By all accounts, Rachel, the 22 year old, and her mother,
Diane, were very, very close.
Often they would do a lot of things together.
Diane even began to teach Rachel how to play the organ,
just like our mom at church.
Oh, that's cool.
So they would go to church every Sunday together.
Diane would often post on social media
about Rachel's accomplishments, however small.
Rachel seemed to be like good at anything,
excelled at anything.
She had all A's in school.
She seemed to be good at, and she seemed to excel
at everything from art, chemistry, math.
She even played the flute.
She was a really smart girl.
The star pupil.
Yes.
Oh, God.
Oh, no.
So one week in early April, 2012, around Easter,
Mark was set to record in the studio with the band on Saturday.
Mark's band members stated that he was acting strangely
when he arrived, disoriented.
He was even running late, which was really unlike him,
for such an important event.
A lot of his band members said that he looked really sick.
Like, he looked green, like because he was so nauseous.
OK.
The band was unable to record that night
because Mark seemingly had no idea what was going on.
He could not focus.
He was completely disoriented.
For, like, seemingly no reason.
Seemingly no reason.
They said that he did maybe seem intoxicated.
But again, this is like that he had had a few drinks
while he was there.
But again, this was a really important event to him.
And it would be really unlike him to get
shit-faced wasted while they're using studio time and things
like that.
Very, very weird.
Yeah.
Either way, Mark had gone home that night to sleeve it off.
When he arrived, Diane said that Mark was stumbling around
and he was disoriented and that she was kind of used to seeing
Mark be drunk, or at least having had a few drinks
after hanging out with the band.
So she just helped him to bed.
Oh, OK.
She just helped him to bed.
Well, let me get you ready for bed.
What are you doing?
It's like she's planning all these seeds.
Like, he's a drunk.
He's a drunk.
I'm used to it seeing him.
Just used to it.
And you know, the fact that this podcast started out
with her name does not give me much hope for her.
Continue.
So she just helped him to bed.
Everything's fine, right?
Upon witnessing this, however, Mark's son, Sean,
would post on social media.
No.
Quote, my father is slowly getting sicker.
His voice is slurred and his walking is wobbly.
End quote.
Slowly getting sicker.
Perhaps someone that's been poisoned over a period of time.
I don't know.
Question mark.
What?
That was in 2012 when Facebook was popping
and you posted everything that you
thought under the sun ever.
Exactly.
It didn't matter if you posted 18 statuses a day.
Right.
So it's just like, here's what's happening.
So that's like legitimate account.
It's a little weird.
Like what's going on.
It's a little weird.
I would post going outside.
It's raining or whatever.
Or hot as balls today.
Exactly.
I hit my 10,000th step today.
Is it so cringy?
And you don't have Facebook anymore.
I don't.
Listeners, isn't it so cringy when
you get a 10 year ago reminder on Facebook
and you're like, I don't want to know about all of the shit
that I said and cringe city over here?
These are my selective thoughts about the departed or whatever.
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
Or inception.
Yeah, exactly.
I think that is the same year that inception came out.
Either way, it might be a reference to the fact
that Diane knew and some of the kids knew
that he was having health issues.
Because that was also talked about,
like his high blood pressure and the drinking.
And maybe that was, I mean, they argued in the house
all the time.
Maybe that was a few arguments that they had
was about his drinking.
Well, it also kind of makes me think that maybe while he's away,
Diane is telling the kids, like, oh, your father's a drunk.
Like this and that, the other.
And when this Sean says that he's getting sicker,
he's referring to his alcoholism.
Right.
Yeah.
So there's a lot of different interpretations, I guess.
So the next morning, Diane wakes up early.
This is Sunday.
Her and Rachel go to church.
And they leave Mark asleep in the bed
and just assuming he's probably got a righteous hangover.
Not a big deal.
She leaves for church.
But then when she arrives back home several hours later,
she finds that Mark is actually not breathing.
Wait, hold on.
They sleep in the same bed.
I'm sure there's a fucking distinct difference
in someone that is just hungover and not feeling well
and someone that is dead.
Also.
She said not breathing.
Not for nothing.
But when I wake up, no matter how much of a rush I am
or whatever I'm in or whatever we'd like,
especially if we've been drinking the night before,
I always wake KC up before I leave.
You put your finger under his nose to feel him breathing.
Or you were alive.
No.
But I always will, of course, I kiss him goodbye.
But I always make sure that he's good to go before I leave,
especially if we've been drinking the night before.
Oh, yeah.
That's just irresponsible.
It is irresponsible.
Or it was purposeful.
I'm over here just speculating.
Or it's alcohol poisoning.
Or it's real poisoning.
And she's trying to play it up.
Go ahead.
So she immediately calls police.
The entire family is shooketh.
Convenient that she has just been gone for the past three hours.
Yeah, of course.
Well, it's Sunday.
She can't miss church.
Unfortunately, Mark was pronounced dead
by the time that police arrived.
Shucker.
Diane had said that Mark had not been feeling well
in the last week.
And when asked why she didn't take Mark to the hospital,
Diane said that Mark insisted that he was fine
and he didn't want to go to the hospital.
So tiny.
I don't know if you all heard that, but Seamus' meow is so cute.
It's so small.
He's like around the corner from us too.
You can still hear it on the mic.
He wants us to go out there and pet him.
He's fat.
The medical examiner who performed Mark's autopsy
stated in their report that there seemed
to be no signs of foul play.
There were no bruising or abrasions, head
contusions, or hemorrhaging at all.
But he did notice a red ring around Mark's mouth,
like blood or fluid of some kind.
So given Mark's lifestyle and the steady progression of him
not feeling well, the ME did classify Mark's passing
as being of natural causes.
He was cremated shortly after.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
What about the toxicology report?
There was no toxicology.
It didn't mean anything.
Right.
I think.
He was cremated shortly after.
Shortly after.
That's what the ring is.
The same day.
Oh, he said, OK, cremate him.
Cremate him.
I know.
What is it?
John Mulaney, when he's like all the Irish people
keep in all of their emotions.
He's like, oh, you're a sunday.
He's like, OK, don't bear the boy.
Bear the boy.
Bury the boy.
He's saying we're just not going to focus
on the emotions of anything.
The band was devastated, of course.
They actually insisted on playing at Mark's memorial service.
The band did have suspicions when
they noticed that Diane wasn't seemingly upset about Mark's
passing at all at the service.
She would say things like she would.
Say things like, quote, everyone grieves differently,
end quote, or quote, I guess it just hasn't hit me yet, end quote.
Which is also kind of understandable,
but it's like because it's so sudden.
But at the same time, who says everyone
grieves differently when they're the one grieving?
Why would you put that in people's heads?
Why would you do that?
She's making an excuse for the fact
that she's not reacting.
She's not upset.
What?
I still want to know.
So the Stoutie family was actually
awarded $20,000 in life insurance.
The family did the best that they could
to try to move on from the sudden death, however.
They would end up selling their family home
as Mark's death was a lot to handle for the kids.
Let's be honest, they need the room too.
Because they're in a three-way.
And they're like, well, if we can sell this house plus the $20,000,
the kids were really freaked out about what
happened to him at the house.
Yeah, it was in the house.
Yeah.
They said that they couldn't sleep, things like that.
So it made sense to move.
I get it.
Plus they need the room, right?
Little did they know they're moving with a killer.
With a killer.
I don't know.
I really don't know this case.
So I'm like, it's circulating.
Shamish, shut up.
The child has been put outside.
We can continue without them yelling.
He's so desperate.
He's so cute.
So funny.
We should post a picture of him on the Instagram.
Maybe people will like our pictures more.
He's like, I have a TikTok account,
and he gets more likes than anything else on my TikTok
account.
So everything in the family started
to kind of go back to normal, some way, right?
Until about five months later.
Someone else got sick.
In September of 2012, Sean began
to experience flu-like symptoms.
No.
Which we all know is unusual because of his prior health
complications.
But this time, Sean began experiencing extreme symptoms.
He started throwing up diarrhea, constant nausea, body
aches, and headaches.
This went on and off for about three weeks.
And why didn't he go to the doctor?
Sometimes getting better, sometimes getting worse.
But one afternoon, Diane came home from church with Rachel
to find Sean collapsed on the floor of his room.
After notifying first responders and them arriving,
Sean was pronounced dead at the scene.
Five months after his dad.
Does she have, like, munch-hazen by proxy?
Go ahead.
Who?
The mom.
Ah!
Who's the mom?
It's not the nine-year-old.
At first, the concern was that the family was actually
experiencing some type of contagion
or that they were passing things around to each other.
Genetic.
Right.
Something genetically.
But again, or hereditarily, yeah.
Sean's body was actually taken in the Emmy's office.
And once again, it was determined that Sean
had passed away from preexisting health conditions.
Although the Emmy did report that Sean did have a red ring
of dried blood around his mouth.
What the fuck?
And of course, he would be cremated.
Of course, right away.
Bear the boy.
Take that.
No toxicology.
No toxic.
No, no toxicology.
No toxicology report.
What?
Oh, and then I'm sorry.
I'm sure Diane's like, everyone agrees differently.
Everybody agrees differently, y'all.
Leave me alone.
Everyone agrees differently.
So losing two people in her life within five months
at this point, five, six months, Diane was now a widow
and had lost a child.
She turned towards the church for support.
Bitch, you were there when both of these people died.
You think that that's like.
Well, she started speaking to her pastor quite often.
And through conversations, the pastor
had actually found some of Diane's behavior very disturbing.
You don't say.
Diana described an event around the time of Mark's passing
that seemed like it was more of a celebration
than a memorial service.
Yes.
So this is not the actual memorial service for Mark,
the one that the band played at.
OK.
It was a gathering of people that were meant to mourn for Mark,
but it was more like a celebration of some kind.
I mean, I understand the celebration of life.
But like a party?
This is kind of like a party.
Yeah.
And only like certain people were invited, namely
like a kickback.
Like a kickback.
Oh, what the fuck?
Yeah.
So that fine understandable celebration of life,
maybe it's like a close knit family thing.
And then they had Mark's actual service.
So why is it that Sean didn't get a service at all?
What?
Her son didn't get a service at all.
She's like, everyone greets differently.
Everyone greets differently.
Well, that's why.
No, that is very much bury the boy.
Yeah.
Like sweep it under a fucking rug to the point
to where even a family member didn't realize
that Sean had passed away until after this family member
couldn't get a hold of Sean after a while, like a week or so.
What?
Yeah.
And it was only until then did she
start telling people in the family.
Some people had to ask her where Sean was.
And then she would tell them that Sean had died.
She shows up to a family event, like missing a child.
And they're like, where's Sean?
Is he busy this weekend?
She's like, oh, he died.
Oh, by the way, he died.
Just to let you fucking know.
Seriously.
Not even kidding.
What the hell?
Yeah.
Absolutely disgusting.
What's your excuse for that one?
Everybody greets differently.
Everyone greets differently.
And nobody greets sometimes because they don't fucking know.
Sometimes nobody greets me.
God.
It's horrible.
So with all of this, Rachel, Diane's most prized daughter,
would actually move into Sean's room
since the death created a vacancy.
No.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, she knows.
She was in on it.
She's like, when they go to church, she's like, mom,
I want Sean's room.
And mom's like, I got you.
What the fuck?
Yeah.
She's the prized project.
She's probably very similar to Diane
since they spent so much time together.
She might be in on it.
So again, the family tried to piece themselves back together.
Five months later.
All was calm in the Stoutie house until eight months later.
Oh, she waited an extra three this time.
Who else is going to die?
In June of 2013, Sarah became sick.
No.
Upon hearing the news, the family's pastor
made an anonymous phone call to local police.
And he was fearful because he thought
that Sarah would be next when he heard that she was sick.
The police took the report, but with no proof of anything
untoward happening, they could only take a report.
Sure enough, within the next few weeks,
Diane would rush her second eldest child, Sarah, to the ER.
Doctors received Sarah in horrible condition.
Her internal organs were failing.
Her brain was hemorrhaging, and she was in critical condition.
When learning about this, police rushed to the hospital
in hopes to talk to Sarah about what had transpired
and her experiences in the home leading up to this event.
Police learned that all of Sarah's testing
came back negative for most causes of what the symptoms she
was exhibiting were.
And therefore, it must be some kind of toxin being introduced
into her system.
Springfield police, not LA.
Springfield police then went back and looked through Sean
and Mark's autopsy reports and realizing
that there was the red rings that was consistent
on both of the reports.
And realizing that they had similar, I guess,
afflictions or symptoms, stomach aches and things
like that, that they realized that they were probably
all being poisoned.
But of course, they can't do an autopsy now or anything
like that.
After speaking with multiple witnesses,
detectives determined that both Sean and Mark
had been experiencing same symptoms,
along with the ones that Sarah was experiencing.
And with all of this, Diane was brought in for questioning.
OK, so this lady is literally like,
she's going in order, clearly, with her husband
and then the oldest child going down.
But she's literally just acting like everything's
normal for eight months.
And she's like, hmm, all right, Sarah is next.
Like the person that I, like you're like, I can't even
imagine that.
And being in the house as one of the children,
I'm sure, hopefully, they don't all die.
But imagine being in that house.
And her probably trying to convince you that, oh,
your brother and your dad were just sick and they died.
They're just sick, yeah.
That they're having complications.
And that you're trying to like, she's
trying to put it in their head that they're sick.
They're going to die.
Like, yeah.
But then imagine being, let's say, Sarah and seeing
her brother and her dad be sick and die and then having
the same symptoms and realizing, oh, shit,
I'm probably going to die too.
But probably not even realizing that she was being poisoned.
Right.
It was just like a family illness.
It was a family illness, yeah, exactly.
Oh my god, that is so awful.
You're fucking children.
I'm sorry, I really don't know who the killer is.
I keep saying it's her.
That's probably fucking her.
So Diane was cooperative at the beginning of the interview.
After all, she had only thought that she was being interviewed
for what happened to Sarah at this point.
They're like, we need to talk to you about Sarah.
Just like, come on in.
Just make sure, you know, like, whenever.
I don't know.
So not that police already at this point
had done an entire investigation on Sean and Mark's death.
So she stated that Sarah had only started becoming sick
in the last week with headaches and kind of throwing up.
She defended herself in saying that she didn't take Sarah
to the doctor because she had, quote,
seen the flu worse than what Sarah was experiencing
and that it wasn't that bad, end quote, is what Diane said.
Diane said that Sarah, well, I mean, that, again, it sounds
sus, but, you know, Sean was known to get really sick.
Maybe she was used to sickly Sean and not sick Sarah, right?
Oh.
Hmm.
I don't know.
Diane said that Sarah had been sleeping
for almost an entire day, but that that wasn't unusual
because she is a college kid.
But once she came home from church,
that Sarah was unresponsive and that Rachel had to help her
carry Sarah into the car to rush her to the hospital.
Why is this bitch always at church when things, things
are happening?
She's doing that because she's like, OK, I'm going to go to church.
She's a Christian lady that's like,
Teejit, I replaced myself at church.
And then when I come back.
Can possibly be her if she was a church.
She's Diane goes on to say that in response
to the detective's questions on whether or not
she knew what caused Sarah to become sick.
Diane replied with quote, well, she is bipolar.
So my thing is like, did she try to overdose or something?
End quote.
I'm fucking sorry.
Well, fuck is that a sentence?
What is that a sentence?
I know.
OK, so every quote in here is verbatim
because I watched that interview like a billion times.
Yeah.
Well, she is bipolar.
So she probably just got the flu and decided to overdose.
What the fuck?
It's horrible.
The fact that she leads with, well, she's bipolar.
Like that has anything to do with the fact that she's sick?
Or does it?
Is the mom fucking bipolar?
No, I'm telling you, she probably has fucking munchin'
has it.
Munchin' has it.
I always say munchin' has it.
Munchin' has it.
Did we edit that out from that one episode?
Because I think you said munchin's has it a few times.
Well, I definitely edited it so I didn't sound silly.
But I remember I was like the person
that the disorder is named after is a verenbon munchin'
has it.
Verenbon munchin' has it.
That's what it's like.
Why?
That has nothing to do with.
It doesn't.
The situation.
So Diane actually countered her own statement
about the possible overdose saying
that she had gone through Sarah's medications
when she got home after taking Sarah to the hospital.
And it didn't seem that anything was out of the ordinary.
So in the moment that she's like, well, she is bipolar.
Maybe she wanted to overdose.
She was like, but then I went home and I
checked all the drugs.
It wasn't that.
It's very bizarre.
It's almost like she wants to give a reason as to why
this might be happening to Sarah.
But it's almost like this weird and there's
definitely another example or two that she gives or that I
can give in the interview.
But it's almost like she wants to give enough information
to kind of make them like to throw them off a trail.
But then she also kind of doesn't.
It's almost like she wants to take responsibility
in a weird way.
Well, she also I feel like she really
wants to sound like reputable.
Like she wants to be like, I know everything about everything.
She was doing this, but it might be this.
Like she's trying to dissect it for them,
even though she fucking knows exactly what happened.
She knows exactly probably what happened.
Yeah.
It's almost like she wants to give them enough,
but she also doesn't.
It's like she's trying to like peel back the onion with them.
You know, kind of a thing.
Exactly.
And I think it's also maybe trying
to gain information about what they know too.
She's like, well, it might be an overdose.
But you know, like, you know, and then the detective go, well,
in fact, it wasn't an overdose.
It wasn't an overdose.
Well, this is not.
Exactly.
Which they're not going to fucking do that
because they're trained interrogators.
Of course.
She also continued to reference multiple times
throughout the interview that the doctors had found nothing
to indicate why Sarah was so sick.
She's a registered nurse.
And she keeps referencing multiple times that the,
well, the doctors didn't find anything.
The doctors didn't find anything.
The doctors didn't know.
The doctors have no idea.
They can't explain it.
They actually got away with it because they
didn't find anything.
She thinks, oh, I'm just going to go in
for this little interview, and then everything's
going to be fine.
Yeah.
Like, this is a standard procedure
when people get sick or something.
Well, it's funny because this is only the first time she's
been interviewed for a family member passing away.
So you think that they're fucking on to something or not?
Because she probably weren't interviewed for the dad or the son.
Or the son.
So the detective at this point asked Diane whether or not
she thought Sarah would ingest anything that wasn't pills
on purpose, to which Diane replies, quote,
well, she could have gotten into some cleaners or something
like that, end quote, end quote.
Whatever it was, it did a number on her, end quote.
Keep in mind, this is a grown-out woman.
This is not a toddler.
This is something like your fucking daughter.
This is your daughter.
Oh, it took a toll on her.
Like, it was cancer or something.
Yeah, it did a number on her.
It did a number on her.
Like, she ate an edible, and she got really fucking high.
Yeah.
Or took some acid.
That's wild.
The term, like, the quote, she could have gotten into some cleaners
or stuff like that.
Gotten into something.
Like, she's a dog.
Yeah.
Or a stung-able.
Stung-able, but that's it.
Yeah.
Whoop, whoop.
Draino.
Oh.
Or I feed my children because I'm a good mom, quote,
unquote, good mom, and I poison their food
when they're not fucking looking.
She would again counter her own statement
by saying that she couldn't picture Sarah doing something
like that.
But a second ago, you just said maybe she overdosed.
Well, maybe she didn't because she didn't have any pills.
But I couldn't see her drinking Draino or Windex.
Maybe she got into cleaners, though.
But maybe she got into some cleaners.
Took a number on her.
Took a nightmare on her.
That's ridiculous.
Isn't that so bizarre?
She's, like, not helping her fucking case.
Diane actually further retracts by saying
that she doesn't believe that Sarah would actually hurt
herself at all because Sarah didn't seem depressed.
But she's bipolar.
It's just really interesting because, again,
we were talking about that a second ago.
She doesn't want to blame the victim at certain points,
but she also doesn't want to give the detectives
enough to work with.
Yeah.
It's really weird.
So throughout the entire interview, Diane laughs,
makes jokes, and seems overall in a positive mood.
Diane goes over family history of strokes,
medical conditions.
But she does agree with the detective
when the detective implies that Sarah is too young
to be experiencing these types of symptoms.
Yeah.
Maybe.
Maybe, Sean.
But Sarah?
Yeah.
She even agrees that Sarah was actually
in good health before this incident.
She even mentions that Sarah's toxicology report came back
negative.
Keep in mind, she's a nurse.
And she continuously slips when talking to detectives.
At one point, she states that she thought
that Sarah was going to die the night before taking her
to the hospital.
And the detectives, like, what do you mean?
And she's, like, well, her labs came back,
and they were really awful.
It shows that, like, so when the lab,
after she went to the hospital, the labs came back.
So clearly, she's acknowledging that Sarah was very sick.
She thought that Sarah would die the night before.
So why aren't you taking her to the hospital?
It's just, it's absolutely gross.
You have medical training.
Exactly.
You have medical training.
You know.
And you just didn't think it was that bad?
That's a stupid excuse.
I've seen the flu worse.
I've seen the flu worse than that.
Fucking poor Sarah.
I mean, I feel like she moved back home from college,
and, like, this is what fucking happens.
Like, oh my god.
When she wanted support and my help.
Yeah, exactly.
It's really sad.
I can hear this nasty woman's voice in my head.
I can't stand it.
So yeah, like you said, Diane clearly
has an understanding of how sick these people were, I think.
Diane expresses that she was worried that it was going
to, quote, happen again, end quote.
Oh, but never Rachel.
It's going to be the baby, because Rachel is too perfect.
The detectives do bring up Mark and Sean eventually
and ask what happened to them.
Diane states when asked about Mark and Sean
that Mark had died of a heart attack
and that Sean had died of a seizure disorder
and that he was severely autistic,
as if that's the cause of death.
What the fuck?
I'm not even kidding.
She goes, oh, well, you know, and Sean, he just, you know,
he had a seizure disorder and he was severely autistic.
You're a fucking nurse.
You should know that autism is not fatal.
But she mentions it, like, on purpose.
It's so strange.
But, OK, if you remember, the Emmy reports
were just saying natural causes, not heart attack,
not seizure disorder.
She's trying to make it seem like they're different.
Like they're all different instances.
Yeah.
And not potentially by the same thing.
It's gross.
Gross.
The detective asks exactly how do you
die from a seizure disorder?
Oh my god, yes.
To which Diane had absolutely no reply.
Keep in mind, again, like you said,
she's a practicing nurse.
The detective takes a short break
and this time is, by the time that they come back,
they start kind of leaning into Diane,
giving them a feeling that, like, he's dominating
the conversation at this point.
OK.
Psychology.
Yeah, exactly.
He brings up household cleaners and asks Diane
if she knows about any of the cleaners
that they have at the house that Sarah might have ingested
to cause such a thing.
Because, again, she's an RN.
So Diane insists that she usually
doesn't keep cleaners in the house that
have very pungent smells because she doesn't like it.
So she usually uses all-natural stuff.
So again, if you're using all-natural cleaners.
How do you think that she got into something?
Into something, or whatever.
So just so I'm clear, Sarah, at this point,
during this interview, is still in the hospital.
She has not passed away.
She's in critical condition, however.
OK, I just want to make sure I know.
In severe condition.
So the detective just peppers in the fact
that even if certain cleaners would,
like even if she were to ingest certain cleaners,
it may be hard to stomach the taste alone.
Doesn't matter what kind of cleaner it is,
whether it's holistic or not.
You can't ingest a lot.
Right, because it would be gross.
Most cleaners have terrible taste, and not only that,
but your body would usually just reject that immediately.
So at this point, it's like coming back around to this,
like, who would do that on purpose, essentially?
Who would voluntarily drink bleach or something?
A chemical like that, right?
So at this point, I think Diane's like shitting herself,
because she's just like, she's already a small framed woman.
But she just kind of starts going into herself at this point,
and you can kind of tell it's getting to her early questions.
I need to see this interview.
It's really haunting, actually.
The detective asks if she knows any reason
that anybody would want to harm Sarah,
and even asks if she thinks that Rachel might have done
something to Sarah, to which Diane adamantly states,
no, absolutely not, Rachel would not do that.
Rachel's perfect.
She's perfect, y'all.
So when asked if Diane thinks that this is a,
that an in-depth toxicology report
would show anything suspicious, Diane said, quote,
I don't think so.
I mean, what would they even be looking for, end quote.
The detective says, what do you mean, quote,
well, if you're looking for a chemical,
I wouldn't even know what kind of chemical that would be,
end quote.
She later states, quote,
I don't anticipate anything showing up, end quote.
Not like, why would they do that?
It's clearly gonna be negative,
because you know what I mean?
She's like, what are they looking for,
so I know what to say, like if this happens.
Also, I want to be clear about the whole Rachel thing.
I am not trying to be like, Rachel's perfect.
I'm saying like Diane is saying that.
Oh yeah.
I'm not saying anything negative about Rachel, of course.
So the detective then drops the bomb on Diane,
and he states that further testing on Sarah
will be done extensively,
and that they have acquired samples from the ME's office
for both Sean and Mark,
because they took DNA from them before the cremations.
Yeah.
So that they're gonna test the DNA that they have for,
not DNA, but you know, whatever the samples that they have.
She gave out like a, huh, at that point.
They start talking about finances,
and Diane goes on to describe,
so the detective essentially asks Diane,
so when Mark passed,
I, you know, what kind of financial gain did you get from that,
or not gain, but from the insurance?
And she said that she had bought, you know,
that she had sold the house and they bought the house.
So essentially that's what she gained from Mark's death.
When asked what she did with the life insurance
that she had out on Sean,
she said the money that she had received from Sean's death
went to go pay off debt.
And when asked what she would do with Sarah's
life insurance policy, she said,
probably pay off more debt.
So she already knew what she was going to be doing
with the benefit money that she would be getting
from Sarah's death.
But Sarah hasn't died yet.
Right.
So how do you already know what you would do with the money?
Oh my, that literally makes my stomach hurt.
Isn't that awful?
That is disgusting.
That's your children.
Not to mention, like, not for fucking nothing,
but usually when you hear of things
like Munchausen by proxy, I don't know if this is necessarily
that case or it's just cold murder,
but it's like younger children.
Like these people are adults, 26 and 24 years old.
Or yeah, right?
Cause Rachel's 22.
Yeah, Rachel's 22.
So Sarah's 24 and Sean was 26.
Yeah.
So 26 and 24 years old, like these are adults.
Like you have raised these children for 26 and 24 years
and now all of a sudden they're expendable.
Right.
That's so disgusting.
So furthermore, Diane was saying that she was planning
on taking a trip to Florida with the family.
I'll put quotes around family because yeah.
Or lack of fans of.
Because half of her family is like, yeah.
Oh my God.
But of course.
But it was planning because she had the money yet.
Yeah, exactly.
There was like some loose ends that they still hadn't tied up
because she was waiting for Sarah to die.
I think that's my speculation.
Okay, so let me just put this into perspective here.
If you want to take a trip, take out a fucking credit card.
Take out a loan.
Take out a line of credit or a loan.
Don't buy a new house.
Use that fucking money from that loan
or the line of credit to pay for that trip.
Don't fucking murder somebody or three people now.
Pick up Wednesday night shifts to play the organ.
Fucking work.
She does work.
Work more.
Anything that not fucking kills three people
is ridiculous.
Yeah.
Okay, go.
When Asda described the relationship between herself
and her late husband, Mark,
Diane said that, quote, the marriage wasn't great end quote.
Quote, he wasn't the best husband end quote.
End quote, he wasn't good for society end quote.
I'm so sorry.
In what way?
She had stayed because she was afraid
that he would kill himself.
So you murdered him?
That makes no sense.
Well, she's afraid he would kill himself
so I didn't fucking for him.
She's not confessing anything yet.
I'm just, we all fucking know.
We all know it's a secret.
Anyone.
She, Sarah was staying at home too much
was another thing that she was saying
and that it was impossible for Sarah to find a job.
She said that quote, Sarah is a difficult child
to deal with end quote.
She often stated that she had argued
with the kids often and that she had made references
to feeling burdens by being a parent.
I wonder where she fucking got that from?
She constantly stated that almost everyone in the house
wanted to kill themselves at one point or another
during this whole interrogation.
She's trying to make it okay that they died.
Well, it's okay that they died.
It was a pity killing.
Yeah, it was a pity killing.
I guess that it's to ease our conscience or something.
Of course it is.
When asked about the cremation of Mark and Sean
and confirming that she would also
would have cremated Sarah in the event of her passing,
she said that the caskets were simply too expensive.
And at this point, Diane asked if she needed a lawyer
because she felt guilty that she didn't act sooner
when taking her kids to the hospital.
She's also in her mind like,
can we just cremate Sarah now before she accidentally wakes up
and fucking like, outs me?
Outs her.
After listening to the detective for some time,
Diane states that she had wished
that she had just killed herself instead,
to which the detective of course said, instead of what?
During this entire interview,
Diane evades questions for almost an hour and a half.
And at this point, she's just started saying
that she didn't know anything for a long time
until she began to talk to detectives
as to why she's a bad person.
And she said that she was a bad person
because she knew that they, being Mark, Sean and Sarah,
were drinking antifreeze on purpose.
All natural chemicals in the house?
Where the fuck is the antifreeze?
That isn't, that isn't the criteria
of all natural chemicals.
Yeah.
And I'm sorry, drinking antifreeze in the house?
Like, that's like, it's like an ongoing failure.
Yeah, like it's fun.
Continuously drinking antifreeze.
Yeah.
It's, you know, some hand sanitizer here,
some antifreeze there.
Maybe like, totally normal fucking by anymore,
antifreeze if that's actually happening.
Ugh.
That's, isn't that awful?
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
They were doing it on purpose and she felt guilty
because she didn't report them
or take them to the hospital.
After hours of interrogation,
she finally fucking says that,
don't you think if that was the truth,
that would be the first thing that she fucking said
every single time one of these people died?
It gets better.
Or worse, depending on, yeah.
Welcome to Diagnosing a Killer.
At one point, Diane insinuated that Sarah
was the perpetrator of Sean's death
and that Sarah had been poisoning Sean to spite Diane.
I don't know how.
I don't know how that's spiteful to Diane.
That's why she waited to take Sarah to the hospital,
essentially to get back at her
because she knew that Sarah was poisoning her brother
and that her brother had died.
Therefore, she wanted Sarah to suffer
when Sarah was drinking antifreeze
on her own fucking volition.
She didn't immediately take her to the hospital
as payback for killing her son.
This is the best part about trained interrogators
and interrogations is that they always fucking end
with the dumb ass murderer just talking themselves in
to getting fucking arrested and being shit
because they are so dumb.
And she thinks that she can outsmart everybody.
And now she is talking in circles
and contradicting herself in all this jazz.
And also, another thing that I have to say about that
is that I can't stand a pussy motherfucker
that tries to blame one of their victims for a murder
that they also fucking committed.
Right, absolutely.
Yeah, essentially she was trying to say
it was an attempted murder suicide thing.
But like the slowest one fucking ever.
Yeah.
Like she was like, oh no, my daughter was poisoning
my son and then she murdered him
and then she slowly tried to commit suicide
by drinking antifreeze.
That makes literal no sense.
No sense, no sense.
Like it's lunacy.
Furthermore, she had also stated that Sean
was the one that poisoned Mark.
Oh, of course he fucking did.
So there's like a whole line of poisoning here.
And she's like, I don't know, I'm just gonna go
to church on Sundays and play the organ.
And she's also like, I've known this information
the entire time we've been sitting here
and I could have solved all these fucking crimes
this whole time.
Like at this point it's been a year, over a year.
Yeah.
You've known over a year that these people
were drinking antifreeze or poisoning each other
on purpose?
That's so dumb.
It's so weird.
It's a fucking cop out.
It's the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
So she went on to say that after Mark's passing
that it was actually a relief for her
and she just doesn't tell people that.
She said that she was mad at them,
meaning Mark and Sean and Sarah,
that they were all poisoning each other
and that she deliberately didn't take them to get help
because she was mad.
So it's so fucking dumb.
It's awful.
So with that, she agreed when the detective said that,
like the detective had asked her,
do you think that your problems would be solved
if they all just died?
And she said yes.
She agreed to that.
They all, like the three of them?
Yes.
Two of them already did though.
Right.
Well, he's just saying like,
do you think that your problems would be solved?
Like financially,
like this burden of you having this financial burden,
they're constantly fighting or poisoning each other.
They don't like each other, whatever.
Do you think that it would solve your problems
if they had just died?
And she said yes.
Or if they died.
Convenient that that's exactly what fucking happened.
So she's kind of like at this point, like, you know,
just, yeah.
She's admitting.
Right.
Just shit.
Slowly, but surely.
She went on to say that Sean and Sarah would trash the house
and never contribute to chores that needed to be done.
The detective asked how long Diane
had been poisoning her children.
Oh!
Straight up.
How long have you been poisoning your children
before they met their fates?
She then admitted to the crime.
She admitted that she was giving them antifreeze
in their coaxes.
She started this just a few days before Sean's death
and Sarah's hospitalization.
So just a few days before each of these cases.
She said that she didn't want them to suffer, however.
So she tried to put in as much as possible
without them noticing.
She stated that she believed that they were already
drinking it themselves.
So she was just helping them along.
Oh my fucking God.
I was silent that whole time.
I couldn't keep my fucking mouth.
She also admitted that she had no idea
how long the process would take.
So she was like, oh, it's just like
to make sure that it happens faster,
but also I have no idea how long they could be suffering
because she didn't know, apparently,
but she's also an RN.
Convenient that she was the one that mentioned antifreeze
like way earlier on.
Yep.
She began to explain that she got the antifreeze online
because she knew that any regular retailer
usually carries ethylene glycol or antifreeze
with a bittering agent, which makes it to deter people
from actually consuming it or alerts people
that there's something in their drink
because we know that's a problem.
So she was actually purchasing the ethylene glycol
in industrial gallons online because it had
without the bittering agent in it,
which makes it very, very sweet.
So you can mask it and things like Coke and Gatorade
and stuff like that.
So she literally just changed her charge
from like the crime of passion or anything
to fucking first degree murder
because that is absolute fucking planning.
Yeah.
Industrial gallons, industrial gallon sized.
It doesn't matter if you were helping them along
doing something which I obviously-
Yeah, she was talking about.
She didn't fucking do that.
But she literally planned this out.
Oh, of course.
Absolutely.
Fucking idiot.
So this is all starting to like come out
little by little, right?
And again, like at this point,
she's kind of like in herself and she just,
would answer questions like this.
Just very, very stoic.
Because she knows she's fucking caught.
Yeah.
And she knows she's caught.
And at this point it's like,
well, I'm gonna give him a little bit.
Well, then that really doesn't really explain that.
So I have to give him a little bit over here
and a little bit over here and a little bit over here.
Which is painting a picture.
Which can't keep track of all her lies.
Right, exactly.
So she had admitted to poisoning Mark
over the course of three days,
but then she had stopped.
I don't know why she didn't really explain that.
She might've changed her mind or something.
But when Mark got better,
she decided to continue the poisoning
because she realized that she, quote, hated his guts.
End quote.
She said, I hated his guts.
You're not that fucking important, lady.
You don't need to determine if he lives or dies
because you don't like him.
Because you don't like him.
Divorce is an option.
Divorce.
The detectives then asked for the motive of Sean's death.
Sean was interfering with whatever Diane wanted to do.
Sean would just be in her business.
So he's a little annoying.
He's annoying.
That's a fucking reason for killing someone.
Yep.
According to Diane's dowdy,
she said she didn't know what else to do with him,
but he made her wanted to pull her hair out.
She described her only son as quote,
bizarre end quote,
and was more than a bother, more than a pest.
Her son, her autistic child, I'm sorry.
What the fuck?
Isn't that awful?
This woman is cold fucking blooded.
I'm not even kidding.
Diane started poisoning Sean.
And similar to her last pattern,
she began to poison him,
stop after a few days, then continue
after she felt that he was doing better.
I find this particularly interesting
because she describes it as like changing her mind
all of a sudden.
Like all of a sudden she has a heart,
but then she's like, you know,
she didn't stop because she thought
that the last dose would do the trick.
And then she would just,
because she didn't want to get caught essentially,
is what I think it is.
And the way that she's explaining it to the detective is like,
well, I kind of had a change of heart.
And then, you know, they got better.
And then I just, but really all it is,
is she just wanted to do as little as possible,
which is the complete opposite of what she said.
Like stretching it out longer.
Yeah, you're essentially making that person suffer longer,
which is the opposite of what she said.
She said that she tried to do it as much as possible
so that just to help them,
like she's fucking cavoer can or something.
When in reality, she was just micro dosing them
to keep them sick or whatever over and over and over again.
I'm like actually not just thinking about that.
Sarah was poisoned over the course of four days.
And when asked why she decided to take Sarah to the hospital
instead of letting her die at home like the others,
she said she couldn't do it.
Diane denied that Rachel had any involvement whatsoever.
And then asked why Rachel and Brianna were allowed to live.
Diane said, quote, because I love those two, end quote.
So you didn't love the other three?
She said that she's quote, not a perpetual killer.
I'm just stupid, end quote.
Great fucking excuse.
Well, at this point, the detective starts asking
about our nursing history and is like,
how long have you been an RN?
Are there any other people that you've harmed
to try to get attention to which, of course, she denied.
But who knows?
Literally.
She's killed other people, other patients of hers
because clearly she likes the attention
of whatever's going on here.
She probably took Sarah to the hospital
because she was like, okay,
either she's gonna die at the hospital
or she's not and then I can just do this again.
Yeah.
So at this point.
Sarah was the last one.
Yeah.
Diane was arrested for murder at this point.
Oh.
Detective's next course of action
was to interview Diane's 22 year old daughter, Rachel,
given that the two were really close
and they spent a lot of time together.
They suspected that she might have known something
about what was going on
since they were really, really close.
Rachel began to tell detectives
that Sarah was very lazy and she loved to lay around
and that she had troubles with her sister for some time
at this point.
Rachel said that she was less than tolerable
with her attitude.
When asked why Rachel and her mother
took Sarah to the hospital, Rachel said,
after her dad and brother died,
the thought of living in another death house was like,
ew, gross.
Don't even wanna think about it.
Houses are nasty when someone dies in it.
That's what she said.
That's the only reason that they fucking took her
to the hospital.
Rachel was living in Sean's room at the time.
Remember, she moved into the room.
She said that she would frequently have nightmares
about him.
Rachel awkwardly laughs through the interview
and although she mostly keeps her arms crossed,
she constantly swings her legs, which are crossed.
But so she has her leg crossed
and she's just swinging her leg constantly.
Anxious.
Very anxious.
The only time Rachel actually gets emotional
is when the detective begins to mention the stress
that Diane goes through on a daily basis,
I mean, to provide for the family.
It's the only time she gets emotional.
She's not gonna emotional talking about her dad,
her brother or her sister.
When she starts talking about the emotional
and all of the stress that Diane goes through
with the finances and the deaths and all that.
She's brainwashed.
She cried.
The detective tells Rachel that her mother early in the day
had actually confessed to killing her dad and her brother
and attempted to kill her sister.
Other than a hand over her mouth,
Rachel shows absolutely no emotion at first.
She does not say a word.
She does not appear to be wide eyed
and she does not ask what happened at all.
So she's not someone that's shocked hearing the news
that her mother committed three murders.
She's reacting to the fact that the detectives know
that her mother killed these three people.
I think she's reacting to the fact that her mother confessed.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, that the mother had told detectives
essentially everything.
She begins to cry at this point
and the detective explains that Diane confessed
that what exactly she had confessed to.
When asked if she had any involvement, she denies it.
The next day, the police bring Rachel in again
for questioning.
So she's allowed to leave at that point.
She comes back in for questioning.
At this point, they had warrants for the house
and all this other stuff, right?
So they're going through everything.
They bring her back for more questioning.
After the house was searched for evidence of the crimes,
they found a journal belonging to Rachel.
In the journal, police found entries that indicated
that she knew that her dad was dying
and that Sean would be next.
The entry stated, quote,
It's sad when I realize how my father will pass on
in the next two months.
Sean, my brother will move on shortly after.
It'll be tough to get through these changes,
but everything will work out, end quote.
So it's hell of premeditated.
Yeah, even Rachel knew.
What did I say earlier though?
I had a hunch that she was a star pupil.
I take back what I said about her not being mad.
At this point of the interrogation,
Rachel begins to confess
that she did know about the poisonings.
She said that it was her mother's idea with her dad first
and that although Rachel didn't condone the murder
of her sibling, she did not want to go against her mother.
Rachel insisted that Sarah knew about the poisonings
as well and that it may be a motive
for Diane to poison Sarah
because Sarah knew everything that was going on.
Rachel would sum it up in these three statements.
Dad was for a little peace.
Sean was annoying.
Sarah was nosy, very nosy and had no purpose.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Who the hell are you to decide
who has a purpose in this fucking world if he doesn't?
She's the daughter of her mother.
I mean, clearly they find these to be reasonable.
Reasons.
Reasons, motives.
That's ridiculous.
When asked who would be next,
Rachel said that Brianna would be next.
That it was just gonna be Rachel and her mom.
Of course, that's exactly what they both fucking wanted.
And it's because Brianna also suffered
from a learning condition as well.
And that makes her less deserving of living.
Rachel said that she was really surprised
when her mom wanted to go through with killing Brianna
because Rachel said that Brianna had quote potential,
end quote.
Potential for fucking what?
I don't know.
I'm assuming that she, again,
that they think that they can manipulate, not manipulate,
but I guess like mold her in a way that they want
her to live.
Because she's so young.
Exactly.
And like, Sean was lazy and Sarah was lazy.
Everybody was just lazy.
Diane entered an Alfred plea for two counts
of first-degree murder,
which is when the defendant acknowledges that
although they can claim innocence,
they realize that there's enough evidence
to put them away or to convict them of the crime.
So they're like, it's kind of like no contest,
but it's also like, kind of like I murdered them.
Yeah.
So Diane was actually sentenced to life in prison
without the possibility of parole.
Rachel would actually testify against her mother-in-court
to receive a plea deal.
Oh my God.
Rachel is serving two life sentences
for second-degree murder with the possibility of parole
after 42 years, she'll be 64 years old.
Oh my God, 64, and she was 22.
Sarah unfortunately would never recover from her,
from the damage that she sustained from the poisoning.
She has physical and mental struggles permanently
and has to live in an assisted living home.
Oh my God.
Sarah read a victim impact statement in court
to her mother saying, quote,
not only did she take away my dad, my brother,
and my brother away from me,
but she also took away my livelihood and my independence.
I prefer to be called a survivor and not a victim.
Oh, that's so awful.
Isn't that an intense case?
I have never heard that.
I mean, I've heard.
You're bizarre.
Obviously similar stories,
but I have never heard about that one.
And it was recent, like in the last couple,
like last 10 years.
Yeah, I think they were sentenced in 2018,
you know what I'm saying?
Lots of horror.
That's a crazy story.
I knew that, I knew it was her from the beginning, obviously,
but I had a hunch that Rachel had something to do with it,
early she knew more than she was.
I know, right?
And you thought she knew.
How selfish though.
Like how?
Do you think you're better than everyone else
and you can just like kill people left and right
because they're lazy?
Sounds like a psychosis, honestly.
It does.
And it sounds like there was,
I mean, that sounds like there was
a fucking million other options.
Like divorce the fucking husband,
kick your 26 and 24 year old children out of the house.
They're not, I mean, Sean of course,
had his extra needs,
but give them to someone else, do something,
like have someone else take over.
If it was that big of a fucking deal,
don't just kill people because that makes you lazy
for not wanting to fucking do the whole shit.
And yeah, exactly, and fucking be a mother.
But it's also wild to me that she did that
after so many years.
Like again, usually when you hear cases like this,
the kids are much younger, at least like teenagers,
you know, at the moment.
It was like, it was odd.
I wonder though, because, okay, so, I'm gonna say two things.
One of the things is that Rachel had said in her interviews
that Diane had tried to get someone to come
stay in the house with Sean,
like kind of like a live in assistant,
but that it never really worked out
because he would have outbursts, right?
So I mean, that may be an excuse.
I don't know how long they tried for that,
not only that, but where did they get the finances
without them, sorry, it can be kind of expensive.
I wonder if Diane just thought, well, that's too expensive
to do that.
It's like too much for what it's worth, whatever.
That's ridiculous.
That shouldn't be a fucking reason though.
So not only that, but let's see if she,
I wonder how old she was because I'm wondering
if there's not some underlying mental disorder
that was underneath, but what I'm saying is that,
you know, was she a loving and doting mother
up until this point?
Like, did she have a psychosis
of some kind that developed later?
I don't think something like that develops that old.
I mean, if her oldest was 26, she had to at least be like,
40 something.
And she was married for 27 years.
Yeah.
I don't think that's something
that necessarily develops.
I mean, of course an environmental trauma
can make something develop if you experience that,
but as far as we can tell,
there wasn't really anything specific.
I think that maybe she always had feelings like that.
Maybe she was always like in that mindset
and maybe just decided to act upon it.
And as soon as, you know, she was very unhappy
with the husband, she got away with murdering him.
She was like, okay, like I can take,
this is how I'm gonna take care of the problems in my life.
It's just by making it seem like people just died
and they were part of my family and whatever, you know?
And it worked for her the first two times.
I mean, not worked for her, that sounds bad,
but she got away with it for as long as she did
for the first two times, you know?
And then maybe when it was Sarah,
she kind of like shot herself in the foot
and got choked up and was like, wait, whoa,
this is like getting away out of hand or whatever.
I mean, not trying to give her any fucking benefit
of the time.
But also like, I don't know if it's Munchausen
because I don't think she would have killed
the mess fastest she did if that was the case.
Well, that's what I'm thinking too,
is like she clearly didn't tell anybody that they were sick
or maybe she did have Munchausen and Sean was old enough
and independent enough that he didn't rely on her
for so much anymore and she wanted him to.
That's an interesting thought because, yeah,
maybe that was her attention.
She clearly felt the need to like go to church and like.
And Sarah moved back from college, she needed help
and the dad was very busy
and obviously had this drinking problem
and health issues, he needed assistance as well.
Like she felt like, we call it the whale at work,
someone that puts everyone else on their back,
like that just takes care of everything in the house
and like that's just how they are.
Maybe that's how she felt.
And then as soon as it became like too much of a burden,
she's like, oh, they need me so much,
like I'm doing a mercy thing.
Yeah, it's like a pressure relief valve.
It's like kill one, okay, that feels better for a while.
And then there's still all these other problems.
And then, oh, kill another, you know,
release a little bit of that.
That's awful though.
Yeah, because that's so right,
because even when she was talking about Mark to other people,
she was saying he had like a drinking problem
and like all this.
He needs help, he needs help.
Yeah, that she was exacerbating
or making it seem like it was bigger than it was.
Building a profile so that when he did die,
it wasn't like a shock.
No, I mean like to gain, to garner attention in sympathy.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Like he has a drinking problem.
Oh, this poor woman who constantly goes to church
and she does nothing wrong
and she has this successful daughter,
so terrible that her husband's an alcoholic, you know,
and that she gained attention that way too.
Interesting.
Hmm, but that was a really great case.
I'm happy that you brought that one.
Super excited we got to sit down again together
and go over another case.
We've again, we've both been very busy,
but we're definitely super excited
to keep bringing those cases to you guys.
I know that we said we were gonna do some big names,
so I'm excited for my next case.
It's gonna be a really big one.
And also, I know that Jeffrey Dahmer
has been like trending on like everything.
So he has, he has a new Netflix,
like a new Netflix documentary that came out.
Everyone's talking about it.
Like I say trending, like it's a good thing,
but for real, like a lot of social media
has been about that new documentary
and I haven't watched it yet,
but I'm not sure if it's a reenactment or like a...
I think it is.
Yeah, or I think it is.
I think it's different than like a documentary.
I call it like a biopic or something.
Yeah, yeah.
Either way, I'm definitely excited to watch that
and we'll definitely have to do,
I don't wanna do an episode on him anyway,
so we should definitely do that.
But other than that, you got anything else?
No, I think that's it.
I'm excited for a Halloween episode.
I wanna do a Halloween episode.
Oh yeah, definitely, definitely.
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I am starving Marvin.
I'm gonna go get...
Oh yeah, you have food in the other room.
I know, it's like almost midnight over here
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