1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Hello! 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Welcome back to Diagnosing A Killer! 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Why so long? 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Because I want to hear the end of the story! 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:35,000 So cool, I didn't know it was going to be a part 2, and it's a motherfucking part 2! 6 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Thank you guys for joining us! 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:41,000 Hopefully this reaches you about two days after the part 1 comes out, so you wouldn't have to wait that long! 8 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,000 And I'm really excited to get going! 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Podcast Movie Magic makes it seem like I've waited this whole time with y'all, but I've actually waited all of maybe a minute for Canada to switch to the next file. 10 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,000 Just open up a new tab and just start recording again. 11 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,000 I'm going to get to know before everyone else! 12 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:04,000 So we're going to get on with part 2 of Patrick Kearney, and part 1 we talked about his hella long list of victims. 13 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,000 I know it's a very rare story that you had to sit through that, but it's very important to show what a piece of shit this guy is. 14 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:17,000 We talked about his on-again-off-again relationship with David, who seemingly left about a couple of years before this, but all of a sudden he seems to have been there the whole time. 15 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Apparently! 16 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,000 So we're going to get into... 17 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,000 That was a big twist! 18 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,000 I did that on purpose. 19 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Thank you! 20 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,000 It was good, it was brilliant. 21 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,000 How much does this guy spend on trash bags? 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,000 Honestly though, actually they'll find his stash in a little bit. 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Stash or trash? 24 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Stash or trash? 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Now, where we left off, they had just pinned the murder of John on Patrick and David, so police are honing in on them. 26 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Police arrived on the doorstep of Patrick and David, who just invited them to go ahead and come on inside. 27 00:01:52,000 --> 00:02:01,000 The two appeared to be very relaxed and concerned about the boys that were missing, but expressing their shock, but also seeming adamant that they were both completely innocent. 28 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,000 While the police were there, they gathered fibers from the carpet. 29 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:14,000 They did this because for the first time in all of the trash bag murders, there was some carpet fibers left on the tape that sealed the bag. 30 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,000 Idiots. 31 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,000 He got fucking sloppy. 32 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,000 Dummy. 33 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:23,000 As it turned out, the carpet fibers from the house were in exact match with the carpet fibers on the tape. 34 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,000 You don't say. 35 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Although this was a great lead for the police, as soon as they left the home the first time, Patrick almost immediately went to destroy all of the collections of things from his obsessions with serial killers. 36 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,000 They see all that shit, they're gonna be like, hmm, that's really weird. 37 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Yeah, exactly. 38 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,000 So he destroyed all of that in case the police came back to look further. 39 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:52,000 A little while later, police sure enough showed back at the Kearney Hill home and asked the two men for samples of both of their pubic hairs. 40 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:57,000 And a sample of the hair from their dog that they shared together. 41 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,000 Why did they need this, you ask? 42 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:05,000 Investigators had also found hair evidence on John's body, so Patrick was getting really fucking sloppy. 43 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,000 Yeah. 44 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:14,000 This probably had something to do with the fact that he must have thought David was coming home soon, so he had to be quick and he was just forgetting to get rid of all these fibers, right? 45 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,000 Quote unquote. 46 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Yeah, he rushed. 47 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,000 He rushed to get that done. 48 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:28,000 The two men complied and gave their hair samples as well as the dogs, but as soon as detectives left, they began to get worried that it was not gonna go well for them. 49 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:35,000 Well, if it wasn't already obvious, all of the evidence matched with the hair samples given, and it was perfect evidence to get a search warrant for the home. 50 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,000 So this is the end, right? They're caught, case closed. 51 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,000 Yeah. 52 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,000 The police did not waste any time showing up to the house with a search warrant. 53 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,000 But when they arrived and knocked, wouldn't you know it? Nobody answered the door. 54 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,000 Oh, I thought you were gonna say the house is on fire. 55 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,000 That would have been a twist. 56 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,000 That would have been a big twist. 57 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:59,000 They proceeded into the home and found that David and Patrick were nowhere to be found. They had fled to El Paso, Texas in order to escape capture. 58 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Damn. And then I was like, oh no, it's gonna be like a murder, an unalive situation. 59 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,000 Yeah. 60 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:13,000 The two men not being there did not stop police from conducting their search, and what they found was hella damning. 61 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:18,000 A hacksaw was found and was clearly the tool used to dismember most of the bodies. 62 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:25,000 However, the blade had been replaced, so it was unlikely that there would be any evidence on it, because it was a new blade. 63 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:36,000 You'd think so, but Patrick was not a brilliant cleaner, and he missed some blood and tissue that was actually wedged in the corners of the handle of the blade. 64 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,000 The samples collected were a perfect match for John LeMay. 65 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,000 Interesting. 66 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:50,000 A search of the bathroom uncovered blood everywhere, not visible to the naked eye, but under luminol, it lit up like a Christmas tree. 67 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Police also found numerous rolls of nylon filament tape very eerily similar to the tape used to secure the garbage bags. 68 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,000 Dummy. 69 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000 Dummy. 70 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:14,000 When the authorities searched Patrick's work office at Hughes Aircraft because he was somehow still fucking working there, they found the same industrial-style garbage bags used in more than 20 murders, which were all immediately linked to him after this. 71 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,000 So he was stealing them from work? 72 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 I think he was stashing them at work. 73 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Oh, stashing them. 74 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Maybe he was stealing them from work. 75 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 Or stealing them from work. 76 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,000 Yeah. 77 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:29,000 In order to get their names out there, police put out wanted posters all around the West Coast with photos of both Patrick and David's faces on them. 78 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:40,000 Meanwhile, David and Patrick were still hiding out in El Paso, Texas, but they quickly grew tired of life on the run and with a little bit of persuasion by their families, they decided to turn themselves in. 79 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,000 No way. 80 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,000 Have you ever heard of a serial killer turning themselves in like this? 81 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Just wait for it. 82 00:05:47,000 --> 00:06:00,000 On July 1st, 1977, at around 1.30 p.m., Patrick and David waltzed right into the Riverside County Sheriff's Office and did something so unusual it caught a lot of attention from the media. 83 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:08,000 The two walked up to the deputy at the counter, pointed at the wanted poster on the wall with their names and pictures and calmly stated, 84 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:18,000 We're them. 85 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Looks at the poster, looks at them. 86 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,000 It's like they're wearing the same fucking clothes. 87 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,000 And they're like, let me just call someone. 88 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Of course, the two were immediately arrested and booked on suspicion of two murders, only two, because they hadn't linked them all to everybody yet. 89 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,000 Who wasn't? 90 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,000 It was. 91 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,000 Albert Rivera, the very first one to have a break in the case, and John LeMay. 92 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,000 Okay. 93 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:45,000 However, the investigators wanted to question them about potentially being connected to six additional ones as well. 94 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:52,000 The very next day, the two were arraigned in front of a judge and their bail was set at $500,000 per person. 95 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000 In the 70s. 96 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000 It was the 70s. 97 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:02,000 Patrick made the decision to fully cooperate with authorities from the start and he immediately offered to give a full confession. 98 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,000 I guess he was just tired of killing, tired of murdering. 99 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,000 Oh no. 100 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,000 During this confession, he stated, 101 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,000 The murders excited me and gave me a feeling of dominance. 102 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,000 The mere idea of murdering a person was, quote, sexually exciting. 103 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,000 Fucking disgusting. 104 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:26,000 When the detectives began to question him about targeting Marines and plying his victims with drugs and alcohol, Patrick stared at them blankly. 105 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:34,000 When they further pressed the issue by asking him if he had ever inserted anything more than his penis into the rectums of his victims. 106 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,000 Oh no, they think he's someone else. 107 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Patrick answered, stating he had used towels on his bathroom floor while he dismembered the victims to keep the bodies from leaking fluids all over the room. 108 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:49,000 However, detectives were not satisfied with his answer, so they continued the same line of questioning. 109 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:55,000 Mostly because they wanted to be able to close the books on all of the freeway killings that were happening around the time. 110 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,000 Hmm. 111 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,000 Their questions continued. 112 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Quote, did you ever torture your victims? 113 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,000 Did you ever shove anything in their rectum for the joy of doing so? 114 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Now I'm sure you remember this because you brought the case, but listeners, do you remember that we talked about Randy Kraft, the fact that he would frequently put things in his victims' rectums so police were just trying to figure out if Patrick were responsible for all of these murders or just some? 115 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,000 Right, and Kraft was also known to pick up Marines. 116 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Yeah. 117 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:27,000 After a few more questions, Patrick began to understand what they were trying to find out. 118 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,000 Because he also studied the serial killers, right? 119 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,000 Oh no. 120 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:42,000 He shook his head at police and said, quote, I'm not the wooden stake. 121 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:55,000 It seemed as though he knew precisely what authorities were trying to get him to confess to doing. However, the process of impaling, torturing, strangling victims was not something he was capable of, as he preferred a small caliber bullet to the head. 122 00:08:55,000 --> 00:09:03,000 As if this was not creepy enough, Patrick appeared to be offended when authorities compared him to the likes of Randy Kraft and William Bonnin. 123 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,000 Oh. 124 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,000 He's like, could you? 125 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,000 No. 126 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,000 I'm my own motherfucking person. 127 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,000 Like, he has pride in his work. 128 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,000 And I'm not sloppy like those motherfuckers. 129 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,000 I'm not s- well, I don't know if he's not sloppy. 130 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,000 He was. 131 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:24,000 He was at the end, but yeah. To be offended that you were like accused of doing someone else like, no, I would never do that. That is beneath me. 132 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:29,000 It's like, Andre Chickatee, he's like, oh, I'm not a thief. I've never stolen anything. I murdered all these people. 133 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,000 I murdered people, but I'm not a thief. 134 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,000 But I'm not a thief, and that was the one thing he could not stand to be called. Yeah. 135 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:45,000 The original investigation into the trash bag murders began on April 13, 1975, when the remains of 21-year-old Albert Rivera were discovered along Highway 74. 136 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,000 His dismembered body parts were found in industrial-style garbage bags. 137 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:57,000 However, in Patrick's confession, which happened in both letters and conversations, he admitted that his killings actually started in the mid-60s. 138 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:06,000 He eventually led detectives to where he buried, quote, George, one of his first victims. They actually don't know if that's his real name, but that's what he referred to him as. 139 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Everything he spoke about regarding that murder lined up perfectly, showing police that he was not fibbing. 140 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:17,000 Patrick confessed that after he killed George, he was so paranoid that he did not kill again for another year. 141 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,000 When nobody showed up to arrest him, he figured that he had gotten away with murder. 142 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:27,000 Detectives also interviewed multiple people around the life of Patrick, one of whom was his former neighbor. 143 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:33,000 She recalled that she did occasionally hear gunshots close by, but she never thought that they were coming from their home. 144 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,000 Yeah. 145 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,000 Again, Patrick confessed with a series of letters as well as conversations. 146 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:44,000 So in these letters, he actually wrote out the names of each victim and the locations of where he disposed their bodies. 147 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Sounds like Kraft again, right? 148 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:52,000 Yeah, Kraft had the journal and the photographs and everything, and he gave them all code names. 149 00:10:52,000 --> 00:11:01,000 He told police that he preferred to dump bodies in the desert because of the various insects and animal that could carry off the evidence before someone realized that the body was there. 150 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:06,000 He told the detectives, quote, things disappear very rapidly in the desert. 151 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:11,000 You can put a small animal on an ant hill and it disappears right in front of your eyes. 152 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,000 Wow. 153 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,000 Because that shows that he fucking did that. 154 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,000 Right, that he's done it before. 155 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:23,000 As the detectives were putting together this story of Patrick, they realized that he was not as perfect as he seemed as getting away with murder for so long. 156 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:28,000 In fact, there were actually numerous occasions that he found himself in potential danger of being caught. 157 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:35,000 He recanted that one of the times he had killed the victim, he was driving out to the desert to dump the body when he was faced with a flat tire. 158 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:43,000 He pulled the truck over in order to change the tire, but found himself in a bind and was forced to call a tow truck in order to take his truck to a nearby service station. 159 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,000 With the body in it? 160 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Patrick recalled that when the tow truck showed up and took his truck to the station, all he was able to do was stand by and watch as they fixed his flat tire for him, all the while garbage bags in his back seat containing the dismembered body of his most recent victim. 161 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,000 Holy shit. 162 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:07,000 He stated that he remembers sweating bullets the whole time, but for some reason he was able to leave that day with a new tire and no suspicion. 163 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:14,000 Another time he recalled that he was almost caught was when he was out canvassing potential dump sites and he accidentally locked his keys in his car. 164 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:21,000 He decided it was probably safer for him to try to jimmy the lock open with a coat hanger rather than call for assistance. 165 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:28,000 He stated being anxious and nervous the whole time because he once again had a back seat full of garbage bags with remains. 166 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Patrick recalled that as soon as he got in the car and was able to dump the body, he felt this weight lift off of his shoulders, mostly because he was safe from being caught, 167 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:42,000 but he also remembered feeling immense power and having a great feeling of accomplishment from being able to get away with this, 168 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,000 only furthering his narcissism and giving him the mindset to keep killing. 169 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,000 That is absolutely incredible. 170 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,000 Twice that we know of that he's willing to confess that he almost got caught. 171 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,000 So we've heard all about Patrick's interrogation and confession, but what about David? 172 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,000 Yeah, what about David? 173 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,000 Was he in a converse? 174 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:05,000 Or was he able to keep this secret all these years with Patrick or was he really left in the dark the whole time? 175 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:12,000 The Riverside County District Attorney convened a grand jury to determine what Patrick and David's charges would be, 176 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:20,000 but after only three hours of hearing the evidence, the jury actually decided that they would not indict David Hill on any charges at all. 177 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,000 Oh, that's some horse shit. How do you not know that? 178 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:30,000 And we've heard it before, folks, where people don't realize they're living with serial killers or serial rapists, 179 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:35,000 but like, there was clearly evidence all throughout the house. 180 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,000 Yeah. 181 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,000 Like, clearly. 182 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:42,000 He probably saw his fucking shrine to like, Brandycraft and like, the Zonia Kill and all this stuff. 183 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,000 Of course. 184 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:49,000 Upon receiving the news that David is clear and good to go, his public defender, Malcolm McMillan, 185 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:56,000 picked him up from jail under the guise of secrecy in order to protect him from the mob of reporters and journalists that were outside. 186 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Once he was officially a free man, David went back home to Lubbock, Texas. 187 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:06,000 In a press release following David's release, Riverside District Attorney Byron Morton said, quote, 188 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,000 the evidence against Mr. Hill was weak. 189 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:18,000 He also added that the information gathered by investigators ultimately exonerated David and he was not shocked when the grand jury decided to not file any charges against him. 190 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Lastly, he stated that he did not believe that there was sufficient evidence to prove David guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in Superior Court. 191 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:32,000 According to Patrick, David was, quote, neither involved in nor aware of the murders. 192 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,000 He took the fall for everything. 193 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,000 And I don't want to say he took the fall because he did it, obviously. 194 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,000 It's Lee and Ty all over again. 195 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:45,000 He claimed slow responsibility and he admitted to committing the murders while David was out of the house after one of their many fights. 196 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,000 I mean, it kind of makes sense. 197 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,000 He was usually gone. 198 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,000 That's true. 199 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:53,000 And that's, you know, even Tyria was like, I don't want to hear anything you do out there. 200 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,000 Yeah. 201 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Not only because it probably grossed her out. 202 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,000 Yeah. 203 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:04,000 Because she didn't want Lee prostituting, but she also didn't want to be like, no, in case any any shit goes down. 204 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Yeah, I'm not going to be responsible about it. 205 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,000 Yeah. 206 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,000 Now we're going to talk about the trial now. 207 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:15,000 Patrick's attorney wanted to go for a not guilty by reason of insanity plea. 208 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,000 However, as they do. 209 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,000 Yeah. 210 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:23,000 However, going against his attorney's wishes, Patrick ultimately switched his plea from not guilty to guilty. 211 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,000 Just, you know, it's so in right now. 212 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,000 Just a plea guilty. 213 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,000 He's just so random. 214 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,000 It's just, yeah, he's quirky. 215 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,000 He's quirky. 216 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:39,000 He pleaded guilty to the original three murder charges, his only request being that he receive his sentence immediately and not be given the death penalty. 217 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:44,000 So he didn't want any time between sentencing and incarceration and he didn't want the death penalty. 218 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,000 Put me away and let me rot in a cell for forever. 219 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,000 Yeah. 220 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:54,000 This was a moot point, however, because the death penalty apparently didn't go into effect in this area until August of 77. 221 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:59,000 And every murder he committed was, every murder he committed was before this point in time. 222 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,000 So the death penalty wouldn't have been an option to begin with. 223 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000 It's like a dumbass. 224 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,000 I just don't want to die. 225 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,000 Right. 226 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:12,000 I read elsewhere that the death penalty went into effect for specific crimes in 1973, but I think it was special circumstances that made this one delayed. 227 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,000 I'm not exactly sure. 228 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,000 Like worse than committing that many murders? 229 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,000 Well, I think it was like the area. 230 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,000 I don't think it was like what he did. 231 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,000 I think it was like the area that he was in. 232 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,000 I mean, the area of the crimes, I really don't know. 233 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:28,000 It didn't really explain much about that, but either way, he wasn't going to get the death penalty regardless. 234 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:34,000 During Patrick's sentencing on the first three murder charges for Albert Rivera, Arturo Merquez, and John LeMay, 235 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:42,000 Superior Judge John Hughes gave him life in prison with the possibility of parole after only seven years for those three murders. 236 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,000 Seven years? 237 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,000 Yeah. 238 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,000 He stood in court again for the rest of the murder charges. 239 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,000 18 to be exact. 240 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,000 I'm not sure why he was tried in two separate trials. 241 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000 However, this is just how it played out. 242 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,000 Okay, this is, I'm just reading from the fucking... 243 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,000 They gave him an ankle monitor and sent him on his way. 244 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,000 Yeah. 245 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,000 This time, he was sentenced by a judge, Breckenridge, who stated, quote, 246 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:13,000 This defendant has certainly perpetrated a series of ghastly and grisly crimes. I can only hope the community release board will never release Mr. Kearney. 247 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,000 He appears to be an insult to humanity. 248 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,000 Damn. 249 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,000 Hell yeah. 250 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:27,000 When it was all over, Patrick was known to commit 32 murders, being charged for 21 and received 21 life sentences. 251 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,000 Okay. 252 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:36,000 On top of this, he also admitted to murdering four people whose bodies have yet to be recovered, and seven of his listed victims have yet to be identified. 253 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,000 Wow. 254 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:45,000 As far as the murder that ultimately led to his demise, John LeMay's name will go down in history for being the one that led to Patrick Kearney being put behind bars. 255 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,000 Wow. 256 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,000 It seemed like such an innocent comment stating to his neighbor that he was going to meet a man named Dave. 257 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,000 However, it's that comment specifically that would nab Patrick for good. 258 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,000 I have full body goosebumps. 259 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:04,000 Even more interesting that David allegedly had nothing to do with the crimes and was more than likely inviting John over just to hang out, but he was the link between John and Patrick. 260 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,000 Right. 261 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,000 John's mother was quoted saying later about the murderer, quote, 262 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,000 I feel like John helped. That's the one consolation. 263 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:17,000 She also went on to say, quote, I hope they can find out what makes somebody kill like that. 264 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:27,000 John's mother described him as a loving boy who made friends easily, including girlfriends, and who had never caused her any heartache before the learned circumstances of his death. 265 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:32,000 Many other people were questioned about the two men between the time they were suspected and the time that Patrick was convicted. 266 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:43,000 One source, whom declined to provide his name, disclosed that he was a close friend of David's for several years, provided a more detailed account of the two men and the life they shared together. 267 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:49,000 This source characterized Patrick as a quiet and shy man who kept his bedroom door locked at all times. 268 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:58,000 They also described him as strange and mentioned that he would become upset when David would invite guests over to the house, suggesting why he did not like that John came over. 269 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,000 Interesting. 270 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:05,000 The source also mentioned that David was reserved at times and at other times he could quote, have us in stitches. 271 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,000 Like, he was funny, obviously. 272 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,000 Or he could have been stabbed on the right. 273 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,000 He left us in stitches. 274 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:22,000 He also mentioned that over the more than five years that him and David were close, there were only two encounters that suggested to him that violence may have played a part in Patrick and David's relationship. 275 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:34,000 He said that once, David displayed for him a small gun that was kept in the house, and on another occasion he was with the couple in a small plane piloted by Patrick when David asked Patrick to engage in a sexual act. 276 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:39,000 When Patrick refused, David opened the aircraft door and threatened to throw Patrick out. 277 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,000 What? 278 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,000 It was unclear whether or not this was serious, but it kind of seemed to be a joke. 279 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:49,000 Like, they were like, but I don't know, like, fucking, he's flying the plane, you're gonna throw us out every single time. 280 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,000 That's, oh my God. 281 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,000 That's like, that's so extra. 282 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:57,000 Like, one of those locksets you don't want to be around because it makes you like secondhand uncomfortable. 283 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,000 Yeah. 284 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,000 Oh yeah. 285 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:10,000 During much of their friendship, this source stated that David always seemed to struggle with some type of guilt, and he said that he always seemed afraid of going to hell and felt as though he was living in a nightmare and wanted to make up. 286 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,000 This kind of tells me that he knew more than he let on about the murders, just saying. 287 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,000 Right. 288 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:19,000 However, the source stated that he was always chalking this up to David having a hard time accepting his homosexuality. 289 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,000 Hmm. 290 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:28,000 He also stated that he detected some type of psychological hold that Patrick had over David, and others mentioned noticing things of the sort as well. 291 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaking of psychology, this is a true crime mental health podcast. 292 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:40,000 A psychiatrist who interviewed Patrick after his arrest determined that he had an IQ of 180. 293 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,000 What? 294 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,000 Which is well above what is considered to be genius, which would be 140. 295 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,000 140. 296 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,000 Okay, I thought it was like 130, 135. 297 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,000 The highest IQ ever recorded is a 225. 298 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,000 Fucking like, you like, controlled the universe. 299 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,000 What was that, Stephen Hawking? 300 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,000 No, it was some child. 301 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,000 Oh. 302 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,000 Um. 303 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,000 So 100. 304 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,000 No, it was just some child. 305 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,000 Yeah, it's just some kid. 306 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,000 Um, 100 is considered average above 140. 307 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,000 140 is genius, quote unquote. 308 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,000 Okay. 309 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,000 Uh, didn't, uh, Kemper have like a 140 or a 136 or something? 310 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,000 I actually don't know. 311 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,000 That's a good question. 312 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,000 I think Kemper had a pretty high IQ. 313 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,000 Look it up. 314 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000 Googling. 315 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,000 Googling. 316 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,000 Googling. 317 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:26,000 So again, he has an IQ of 180, which is baffling, putting him at the intelligence level of others such as Stephen Hawking, Albert Einstein, Leonardo da Vinci, and others that made the books. 318 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,000 Of course. 319 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,000 180 is ridiculous. 320 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,000 That is, that is a lot. 321 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,000 What is it? 322 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,000 Kemper, he had an IQ of 145. 323 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,000 Oh, wow. 324 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,000 That's what he was like. 325 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,000 I knew it was something ridiculous. 326 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,000 And then, okay, look, this is good. 327 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Get this. 328 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:46,000 The psychiatrist suggested that this extremely high IQ could explain how Patrick was able to get away with murder for as long as he did. 329 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:51,000 He could outsmart anybody, become insanely persuasive, charming, and likable. 330 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:56,000 This also gave him the knowledge to cover his tracks and evade the police for as long as he did. 331 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,000 Wow. 332 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,000 Today, Patrick is 82 years old. 333 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,000 Today? 334 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,000 And he is still being held at Mule Creek State Prison in California. 335 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,000 82. 336 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:11,000 He has been known to write essays, even having some of them published over the years, which is wild. 337 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:25,000 As it turns out, the trash bag murders have gone down in history as one of the most vicious crimes of the 20th century America, ranking Patrick up there with the most infamous serial killers such as Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and Jeffrey Dahmer. 338 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:32,000 In a public statement shortly after his conviction, Los Angeles homicide sergeant Al Set made the statement about Patrick, quote, 339 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:37,000 If he hadn't gotten sloppy, consciously, or unconsciously, he'd probably still be doing it today. 340 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,000 Oh, yeah, guaranteed. 341 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:44,000 It's estimated that Patrick Kearney had between 21 and 43 victims. 342 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000 I'm still going. 343 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,000 Sorry. 344 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,000 That is incredible. 345 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:54,000 Now, it's very clear that on top of being a heinous killer, Patrick suffered from a number of different issues. 346 00:22:54,000 --> 00:23:01,000 He was a necrophiliac from the start, a pedophile, a zoofine, which is animal, of course, and child molester. 347 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,000 However, on top of all of this, he was a serial killer. 348 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:09,000 So I want to talk about what psychologists know about average serial killers, and this is all a quote. 349 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,000 This is not my words. 350 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000 I want to make sure that I'm not plagiarizing. 351 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:20,000 This is from psychology today, I think, quote, According to some psychologists, the act of serial killing is similar to an addiction. 352 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:28,000 The theory is that once the person starts killing people, often by accident the first time they become addicted to murder, like a junkie becomes addicted to drugs. 353 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,000 That kind of sounds like Eileen Ornos. 354 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,000 Yeah. 355 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,000 Like an accident killing, but then she was like, oh crap, I kind of like that. 356 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,000 Yeah. 357 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Quote, it's a vicious cycle that begins with a fantasy that sparks their hunt for a victim that results in a murder that turns into a cooling off period that usually returns to life. 358 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:51,000 Then, once the disappointment and bitterness gets the best of them, currently getting mad, they repeat the process. 359 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:59,000 According to Peter Vronsky's book, Serial Killers, the method of madness and monsters, it is seldom broken once this killing cycle is triggered. 360 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,000 Over time, they become stuck in their process of addiction. 361 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:07,000 That's when they tend to get more frenzied, their cycles become more frequent, and the level of violence increases. 362 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,000 This continues until they are caught or burnt out. 363 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,000 When a killer becomes burnt out, sometimes they commit suicide or move on to other crimes. 364 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,000 Or maybe, like, switch up their MO to make it more interesting or keep it interesting? 365 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,000 Yeah, exactly. 366 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,000 Some even turn themselves into the authorities, like Patrick. 367 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:32,000 This is still a quote, a study was done on the patterns of 326 United States male serial killers who committed their crimes between 1800 and 1995. 368 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:41,000 It concluded that approximately 87% of the perpetrators had murdered at least one stranger, and 70% had only killed strangers. 369 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,000 Wow. 370 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:47,000 Among serial killers, the most prolific ones also happen to be the most organized in their methods. 371 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:54,000 That means that they will take their time to stalk their victims, looking for the most suitable time to strike to decrease their chances of getting caught. 372 00:24:54,000 --> 00:25:02,000 They also tend to dispose of their victims' bodies as far away from their residents and hunting grounds as possible to reduce leaving any clues to their identity. 373 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:08,000 According to James Allen Fox and Jack Leven in their book, The Will to Kill, anybody can be a serial killer's target. 374 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,000 That's scary. 375 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,000 That is scary. 376 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:18,000 However, most individuals who become victims of serial killers tend to be among society's most vulnerable, a.k.a. children, the elderly, and sex workers. 377 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:23,000 Although it seems as if the most intriguing facet of serial killers is the circumstance of their motivation. 378 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:29,000 They are committed as an effort to satisfy a person's intense need to wield power over others and act out their sadistic desires. 379 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:34,000 In other words, a serial killer doesn't murder people for money, love, or a sense of justice. 380 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,000 They kill because it makes them feel better about themselves. 381 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,000 Damn. 382 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,000 And again, I want to be clear that's not my words. 383 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,000 Those are verbatim from an article I found when I was researching. 384 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:49,000 This being said, though, while I do not believe that Patrick was mentally ill, he's absolutely a sociopath. 385 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:54,000 I know that word's kind of outdated, but that just makes him even more unpredictable and dangerous. 386 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,000 But even Necromania or Necrophilia, that's... 387 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,000 That's... 388 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,000 Yeah, that's mental disorder. 389 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,000 Yeah, so that's the insane psychopath story of Patrick Kearney, and I... 390 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,000 That is incredible. 391 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:13,000 I knew that what he had done kind of, but I didn't know he had that many victims and they were that close together. 392 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000 And his fucking IQ? 393 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,000 Yeah. 394 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,000 I'm surprised... 395 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,000 Sorry, I'm surprised he's still in prison with that IQ. 396 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,000 Maybe he's like solitary or something. 397 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,000 I don't think he... he probably doesn't have a desire to get out. 398 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,000 That's true. He wanted to go. 399 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,000 So do you think that David was innocent? 400 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,000 No. 401 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,000 I don't think he was either. 402 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,000 I don't. 403 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:36,000 How can you not be that in... like, I'm not saying you can't be that out of touch with your partner, 404 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,000 but like to be that out of touch with your partner? 405 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:47,000 So like, I think I might believe that he was like in denial, but I don't think that he didn't know what Patrick was doing. 406 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:53,000 I think... yeah, I think that maybe he was comfortable with the lifestyle. 407 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,000 You know, we heard that he made a lot of money that Patrick did. 408 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:06,000 And, you know, he clearly left his wife and I definitely know at least a couple or two that are with a same-sex partner, 409 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,000 but they feel obligated to stay in that relationship because it's their first same-sex partner. 410 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,000 Yeah. 411 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:21,000 And I think maybe in David's case, you know, since he was having an affair with Patrick and then, you know, he divorced his wife, 412 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:26,000 it would be like, I already did all of this. 413 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,000 For this guy. 414 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,000 You know? 415 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,000 Yeah. 416 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,000 I mean, think about like a bad relationship you've been in where you know it's not best for you to be in the relationship. 417 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000 I feel like it's already been three years. 418 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:42,000 Yeah, I feel like it's an obligation because there's... it would be more work to stop being in the relationship than to just continue being in the relationship. 419 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,000 That's true. 420 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000 Yeah, I have some friends that are like that too. 421 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:55,000 It's just, I don't know if I believe... I mean, it just seems odd to me that David invited this kid over to their house and then he wasn't there when the kid showed up. 422 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:03,000 That seems weird, but also maybe he got caught up doing something and he just was running late and then like, you know, this kid happened to come over and Patrick was just like... 423 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:11,000 The source did say that Patrick didn't like visitors, so he just invited them in and he was like, Sayonara, like that sounds bad, but like... 424 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,000 I don't know. 425 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,000 And then with the eight-year-old on the bike, it's like... 426 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000 While he was being investigated. 427 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:22,000 It reminds me of Monster House. I don't know if you've ever seen Monster House, but instead of like eating kids toys, it's just eating kids. 428 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,000 Yeah. 429 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,000 That's his house. 430 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,000 Like honestly. 431 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,000 It's creepy. Like you just snatched neighborhood children and nobody knew. 432 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,000 Yeah. 433 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:35,000 Yeah, no, that was a wild ride and I'll tell you what, I researched this like over the period of like a couple days. 434 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:42,000 I like to spend a lot of time researching and I told you I have multiple tabs open, you do the same thing where we like kind of make sure that we're in chronological order. 435 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:49,000 But I've since started researching another case and so like I was rereading this one as I was saying it and I was like, oh my gosh, I forgot about that. 436 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,000 I forgot about that, you know? 437 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,000 It's just so much information, like it's hard to keep track, you know, of everyone. 438 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,000 The homophobia hurt my heart too. 439 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,000 I know. And I'm sorry, again, sorry if I upset anybody by saying that word. 440 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:06,000 And I know that the listeners know that that's not me speaking, but I thought it was important. 441 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:18,000 But I thought it was important due to the fact that Patrick was homosexual, you know, when he decided to come out and that did really affect him as a child being called. 442 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,000 Right. 443 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,000 Names like that. 444 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,000 When kids didn't even know that he was, you know, feeling that that type of way. 445 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,000 Right. 446 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:34,000 And then, you know, for the police officers as well to say all of those horrible things and not give a shit because it has to deal with somebody in the queer community. 447 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,000 Yeah. 448 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,000 It's still happening today, Mary. 449 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,000 Take care of it. 450 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,000 Take care of it. 451 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,000 It's awful. 452 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,000 Yeah, it is awful. 453 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,000 So much. 454 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,000 So much. 455 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:56,000 I think we have had two pretty long episodes. I think we're going to try to start getting these long episodes rather than doing, I think, two parters if they're not going to be two full hours. 456 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000 I think we're just going to put them in one episode. 457 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:06,000 I mean, I actually found myself, I sat through an hour and 45 minute long episode of another podcast the other day and I didn't even realize that it was an hour and 45 minutes. 458 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,000 Right. 459 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,000 I'm excited for you guys to hear it. 460 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,000 I do enjoy that. 461 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:15,000 Like starting one of our episodes and then driving around and then like getting out of the car, going, dropping, getting back in and going, oh, yeah, that's right. 462 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,000 Yeah, I heard more. 463 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,000 Yeah, exactly. 464 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:38,000 And I think that we both talked about potentially maybe like taking a little bit of a break for the mental breakdowns and just focusing on these big cases because we want to start putting out now that we've kind of established ourselves as a podcast, we want to start putting out those big name killers that you guys have been waiting for, you know, Ted Bundy and, you know, BTK and anyway, so yeah, I'm really excited to get the ball rolling on those big things. 465 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,000 And if you guys have any suggestions, please let us know again. 466 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,000 Send us an email. 467 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,000 Send us an email, um, diagnosing a killer at gmail.com. 468 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,000 Do you want to do the handles this time? 469 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,000 I feel like I do them every time. 470 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,000 I have no idea what they are. 471 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000 I always zone out at the end. 472 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,000 I do because you've, okay, I'm going to try it. 473 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,000 Okay. 474 00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:00,000 Uh, you can send us an email at diagnosing a killer at gmail.com. 475 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,000 You can catch us on Instagram at diagnosing a killer. 476 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,000 Yeah, good so far. 477 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,000 Okay. 478 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,000 I mean, that's our name. 479 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:13,000 TikTok at diagnosing a killer. 480 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,000 What's the one that's at killer diagnosis? 481 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,000 Twitter. 482 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,000 Twitter, yeah. 483 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,000 Twitter at killing the diagnosis. 484 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,000 And Patreon. 485 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,000 Patreon at diagnosing a killer. 486 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,000 Patreon.com slash diagnosing a killer. 487 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,000 Oh, shit. 488 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000 If you want to donate to the Patreon, you've heard it enough times. 489 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000 We don't need to be perfect every time we say it. 490 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,000 Y'all, we have stickers and our patrons have received stickers. 491 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,000 Yep, they have. 492 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,000 Yep. 493 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,000 And we put them on the back of our phones. 494 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,000 They have QR codes. 495 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,000 They have our handle and they have our QR code that takes you right to our RSS page. 496 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,000 I'm sure you could put it on the back of your phone. 497 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000 You could put it on your dog's head. 498 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,000 You could put it on, like, when you walk your dog. 499 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,000 I don't know. 500 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,000 You can put it on your butt cheek. 501 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,000 You can put it on your butt cheek. 502 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,000 Yeah, put it anywhere on your forehead if you want. 503 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,000 That's totally fine. 504 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,000 If you want to get a tattoo, that's also cool. 505 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,000 Oh, yeah. 506 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,000 Oh, shit. 507 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,000 Could you imagine? 508 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,000 That would be awesome. 509 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,000 Dope. 510 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,000 You just gave me an idea. 511 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,000 I'm gonna get this tattoo. 512 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,000 Oh, my God. 513 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,000 That would be so legit. 514 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,000 Right. 515 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,000 I'm gonna get it on my thigh, though. 516 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,000 My Lord. 517 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,000 We will update you if Koala gets this tattoo. 518 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,000 I'm not getting one. 519 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,000 Thank you very much. 520 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,000 I have too many already. 521 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,000 That's so tragic. 522 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,000 All right, we will see you guys soon. 523 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,000 Please keep listening to us. 524 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,000 We love you. 525 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,000 We love you. 526 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,000 Bye. 527 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,000 Bye. 528 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:43,280 Later than we already knew. 529 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,880 Wait, what's this?