1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Hello! 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,000 We laughed as well! 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,000 So creepy! 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Hello! 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 Welcome back to Diagnosing a Killer, I'm Koelle. 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,000 And I'm Kenna, if you can't tell because we sound the same apparently. 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:34,000 We do. 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,000 I can't believe we laughed the same way. 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000 That was weird, I'm excited already to go back and listen to that. 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,000 And to listen to it. 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,000 That's so creepy. 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Why? 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:50,000 I was reading this thing today, it was identical twins who married identical twins. 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,000 And they had... 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,000 Well they just had two babies, but which is not where you thought that was going. 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,000 I thought you had identical twins. 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000 They all had identical twins. 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:06,000 But since identical twin DNA is the same, technically their sons, even though they're cousins, are brothers. 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Ugh, I feel like that's kind of weird. 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,000 Right? 21 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,000 I don't know. 22 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,000 They probably look exactly the same. 23 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,000 They look the same as all J's or whatever. 24 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,000 It's just because the DNA is the same. 25 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000 So it's like they have two dads or two moms. 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,000 But they look alike? 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Biologically. 28 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,000 Yeah, they're identical twins. 29 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,000 So the dads look the same. 30 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,000 And even the kids are like, two daddies, two mommies? 31 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Because they look the same. 32 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Oh my god, I bet it does. 33 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,000 I bet it does. 34 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,000 They're kids though, I think they're like maybe a year old each. 35 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,000 But they're only like three months apart, the kids are. 36 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,000 So they look like twins. 37 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,000 Wow, that's crazy. 38 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,000 What if they were born on the same day? 39 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,000 That would be even wilder. 40 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,000 That would be so weird. 41 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,000 How's everyone doing? 42 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Doing good. 43 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,000 All of the listeners, I know you can't respond, but. 44 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,000 I mean you could. 45 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,000 You could if you wanted. 46 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,000 You could email us. 47 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,000 You could email us. 48 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,000 We haven't gotten any more emails, so we're still looking for that. 49 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:07,000 But I am excited to say that we, and I don't know who you're doing, but we have both kind of talked about recently the fact that we're both doing like pretty big names for our next couple cases. 50 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:12,000 I want to say like we might even skip over like doing a mental breakdown because yours is going to be a long case. 51 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,000 Mine's going to be a two-parter. 52 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,000 So we're going to have like a lot of content coming out. 53 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,000 Right. 54 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,000 So honestly, just maybe just for now, like not do a mental breakdown and just put all of our energy into these cases. 55 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,000 Just cases, yeah. 56 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,000 Stop. 57 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,000 I can't. 58 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,000 I can't stop. 59 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Stop having that voice. 60 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Thank you. 61 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000 Thanks. 62 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,000 So yeah, I'm really excited to see who you are, to know who you're doing. 63 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,000 And I don't think we have anything really else to talk about, so... 64 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:42,000 We are going to talk about Eileen Warnows. 65 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Oh my god. 66 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,000 I'm so excited. 67 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,000 Eileen Warnows. 68 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,000 Oh yay. 69 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Okay, this is the good one. 70 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,000 We've been wanting to do this one. 71 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,000 Yeah, I think it's her time to shine. 72 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Oh man. 73 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,000 She's still alive, right? 74 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,000 Oh no. 75 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,000 No? 76 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,000 No? 77 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,000 No? 78 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,000 No. 79 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,000 I can't now. 80 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Oh my god. 81 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Okay. 82 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:09,400 Diane Warnows was just 14 years old when she married 18 year old husband Leo Pittman in 83 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,500 June of 1954. 84 00:03:12,500 --> 00:03:15,000 Not much to say about Diane at this point. 85 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,000 However, Leo was in and out of mental institutions and prisons. 86 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,000 Keep in mind he's only 18 at this point. 87 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Yeah, this is already going downhill. 88 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,000 This is great. 89 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,760 Almost one year later, the couple gave birth to their first child named Keith in March, 90 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:36,640 and Diane would find herself pregnant again in 1956 with a daughter named Eileen. 91 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,120 Before Eileen's birth, however, the couple would divorce. 92 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,360 She was like, I think she was born two months later. 93 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:51,800 So Leo had actually suffered from schizophrenia and was his whole life, I'm assuming. 94 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,840 But schizophrenia at 18 though. 95 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,040 That's when it usually starts in the late teens, early 20s. 96 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,800 But he was already in and out of mental institutions before that. 97 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,400 Well, you know in Andre Thomas's case, you saw signs of schizophrenia when he was like 98 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:06,400 10, 8 or 10. 99 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:07,400 That's true. 100 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,760 So it's not a cut and dry thing when it starts. 101 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:17,000 Leo was actually convicted of sexually assaulting a 7 year old and beat her. 102 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,000 And he was actually incarcerated for his crimes two months before Eileen was born. 103 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,000 That's disgusting. 104 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,680 And that's why Diane filed for divorce. 105 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,200 Well good for her. 106 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,200 Right. 107 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,080 Well, it's not pattern on the back just yet. 108 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,080 All right, y'all. 109 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,840 Let's just not do that. 110 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:35,560 So Eileen Pittman was born two months later. 111 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,240 So Diane was now 16 years old at this point with two children. 112 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,240 Ooh. 113 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,440 That's, I mean, but then it's like what, the 50s? 114 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:43,920 I mean, that wasn't that uncommon. 115 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,920 Yeah, but it wasn't the 30s. 116 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:46,920 No, that's right. 117 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:47,920 Yeah, the 50s. 118 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,320 And keep in mind, this is after World War II. 119 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:51,320 Yeah. 120 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,040 So, you know, a lot of people were having babies. 121 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,040 Yeah. 122 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,680 Diane struggled to provide for her two children. 123 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:02,240 So after four years of struggling, by 1960, she decided that she couldn't take care of 124 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:03,240 her kids anymore. 125 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,880 So she ended up dropping them off at her estranged parents' house. 126 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:07,880 Okay. 127 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:08,880 So the kids' grandparents. 128 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:09,880 Okay. 129 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,400 But they weren't on good terms. 130 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,880 So she's just like cyanara? 131 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,720 She's like, well, this is like the closest slash not closest way of like still having 132 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:18,720 my kids. 133 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,360 Okay, that doesn't make any sense. 134 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:21,360 But she just dipped. 135 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:22,360 She straight up dipped. 136 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,800 I think she ended up moving to Texas. 137 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,400 So another fun fact about Diane's parents is that they're both raging alcoholics. 138 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,600 So although the children did not know that the people that they began to live with were 139 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:39,560 actually their biological grandparents, they thought that they were their biological parents. 140 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,320 How old were they when they got dropped off? 141 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:43,320 Four years old. 142 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:44,320 Four and five. 143 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,160 I feel like that's old enough though to not know that those aren't your parents. 144 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,080 But you just like think, you know what I mean? 145 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,640 Like if you were just told that those are your biological parents. 146 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:53,640 That's true. 147 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,480 So you really adopted them as well within this like few months that they gained? 148 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:58,480 Oh yeah. 149 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:03,520 And to be fair, dad wasn't around and mom might have just been like, oh, I'm just taking 150 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:04,520 care of you. 151 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:05,520 I'll say dad wasn't around. 152 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,560 Yeah, he was in prison for a horrible crime. 153 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,680 But yeah, that makes, I mean, maybe they were like, oh, that was like your adoptive mom, 154 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,560 like your foster mom, whatever, and wherever you're real kids. 155 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:15,560 Yeah, exactly. 156 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,480 She was just watching you or something. 157 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:24,360 So they understood that these grandparents were their biological parents, so the grand, 158 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,560 like I said, the grandparents legally adopted them. 159 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:33,080 But over the next, you know, formidable years that the kids would have, essentially Eileen 160 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:40,440 and supposedly Keith were actually physically and sexually abused by the grandfather. 161 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:45,440 So her grandfather would actually, content warning, not if that one wasn't one already, 162 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:51,320 but her grandfather would actually allow his friends to also abuse the kids. 163 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,280 That is literally so fucking disgusting. 164 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:54,280 It's so gross. 165 00:06:54,280 --> 00:06:58,240 And like in what world are you going over like, hey, you got any children for me to 166 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,240 abuse? 167 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:00,240 Right. 168 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,240 Let's just make this like a group fucking thing. 169 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,880 Like that is so gross. 170 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,640 It's disgusting. 171 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:09,720 So of course, you know, Eileen being taught this at a very young age, she began to be 172 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,440 sexually active with boys in school. 173 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:18,760 And then she would actually start using this, using sexual activity to trade things for 174 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,040 like food and drugs and cigarettes. 175 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,040 Like form of payment. 176 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:24,040 Yeah. 177 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,360 And she's like 11, 12 years old at this point. 178 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:26,680 Oh my God. 179 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,480 So she's in this at a really young age. 180 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,920 This was like an asset to her. 181 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:36,000 So at 12, it would be revealed that Eileen's parents, quote unquote, were actually her 182 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,000 grandparents. 183 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,200 It was revealed to her somehow. 184 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,560 And so at this point, she's like, well, fuck you guys. 185 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,480 Like, you know, I have no want or attachment to you at this point. 186 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:53,680 So in 1969, Leo Pittman, who's Eileen's bio dad, he actually committed suicide in prison. 187 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,480 And so she never met her biological father. 188 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:56,480 Yeah. 189 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,320 Because he was gone before she was born and then in prison. 190 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,960 Well, and then she didn't, she just thought that these people were her biological parents 191 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,320 and didn't know who her biological parents really were. 192 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,280 And then learning that these people aren't your biological parents, but you want to know 193 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,480 more about your biological parents. 194 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,320 But when was he really worth knowing? 195 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:15,320 Unalive. 196 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,320 Huh? 197 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:17,320 Was he really worth knowing though? 198 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,840 No, he's a total piece of shit. 199 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,440 It's not like he was a good guy. 200 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:21,440 Yeah. 201 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,360 So I actually put that in there. 202 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,360 Yeah. 203 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,720 Not that he sounds like a great dude or anything. 204 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:27,720 Yeah. 205 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:33,200 So by 14 and 1970, Eileen would actually find herself pregnant by one of her grandfather's 206 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:34,200 friends. 207 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:35,200 Oh my God. 208 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,200 That's so gross. 209 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,400 In that same year, Eileen's grandmother would actually pass due to cirrhosis of the liver 210 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,560 because they were constant alcoholics. 211 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:46,560 So she's pregnant. 212 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:50,640 Her grandmother dies, who's probably, I mean, I'm not saying she was a great woman either, 213 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,720 but clearly better than the grandfather probably. 214 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,920 And who knows how much shit she knew about what her husband was doing. 215 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,360 But to lose her grandmother while she was pregnant. 216 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:06,040 And so Eileen eventually gave birth to a son, but gave it up for adoption. 217 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,240 Of course, right? 218 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:08,880 She's 14. 219 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,720 So by 15, her and her brother would actually be kicked out of the grandfather's home because 220 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:17,080 the kids were getting a little older, stronger, and more rebellious. 221 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,400 So he wasn't going to deal with it and his wife had passed. 222 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:20,400 So go on. 223 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,760 I'll just live my life by myself now. 224 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,360 He didn't want children in the house that were going to be objecting to this sexual abuse. 225 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:28,360 To abuse. 226 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:29,360 Exactly. 227 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,880 I know I said like eight times already, but that's literally disgusting. 228 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,600 So finding this out, Diane, bio mom is like, Hey, y'all should just come to Texas and the 229 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,800 kids were like, No, fuck off. 230 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,480 So you want us now? 231 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,520 Now you want us. 232 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,440 So apparently Diane had gotten her life together at this point. 233 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,720 And maybe she was like dating a dude, but she had also had really like strict rules, which 234 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:52,720 is funny. 235 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,720 So she's like, Well, you can come to Texas, but if you're going to come to Texas, like 236 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,480 you all need to work and you're on there. 237 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,560 And they were like, No, we've had absolutely no structure our whole life. 238 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:02,760 And are you going to impose this on us? 239 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:03,760 No. 240 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,360 So at this point, Eileen is 15 and Keith is 16 kids. 241 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,400 Yeah, like a little over children. 242 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,000 So Keith and Eileen who Eileen now goes by Lee. 243 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,800 She told everybody that her, you know, to call her Lee, she dropped out of school. 244 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,800 I mean, could you blame her? 245 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,720 Yeah, she's not, she's homeless. 246 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,920 So they actually lived in the woods very close to the house that they were raised in because 247 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,080 they didn't know what else to do. 248 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,520 But yeah, like, we're, do you don't know any other part of the world? 249 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,280 Like you've never been anywhere else. 250 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,520 So Lee would actually prostitute for money and maybe Keith too. 251 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,560 I'm not sure. 252 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:43,040 So the kiddos kind of hitchhiked together across the country. 253 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,320 They hopped around prostituting and committing petty thievery along the way. 254 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,360 And they did that for about four years. 255 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,960 And in 1974, Lee would have her first official run-up with the law. 256 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:59,040 While in Colorado, 18 year old Lee was intoxicated driving a car. 257 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:04,640 As she was drunk driving, she actually pointed a.22 pistol out of the car and was just shooting 258 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,960 like up in the air along the highway. 259 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:14,320 So yeah, she was, I mean, she was a kid, 18, but still it's like, so anyways, she was 260 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,200 arrested for these offenses. 261 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,320 And soon to follow those arrests, she would actually be arrested along the way for over 262 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:25,200 the course of the years forging checks, disorderly conduct, armed robbery, and eventually grand 263 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:26,200 theft auto. 264 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:27,200 Damn. 265 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:28,200 So she's just racking up. 266 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,200 Going for it. 267 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:30,200 Yeah. 268 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:37,200 So in 1976, Lee would actually move down to Florida where she would meet her future husband. 269 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,920 He was 69 year old Lewis Fell. 270 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:44,680 He was a yacht club president and a well off man from successes in stock trading. 271 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:47,880 Okay, so like complete opposite. 272 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:48,880 Complete opposite. 273 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:53,480 And he found her, she was hitchhiking and they struck up a conversation and I guess they 274 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:54,920 just started becoming friends. 275 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,880 And so eventually they married. 276 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:02,240 21 year old Lee saw the opportunity to have a stable and maybe a stable life and maybe 277 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,240 even the worst of it would be over for her. 278 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:08,320 But under the surface, she's still a very hurt traumatized person. 279 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:13,200 So she would have outbursts and tantrums and they eventually turned physical and mostly 280 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,880 towards her new husband. 281 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,640 And keep in mind the dude is like 69 or 70. 282 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:22,600 In one instance, she actually beat him with his own cane when he refused to give her 283 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:23,600 money. 284 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,600 Why are you laughing then? 285 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,600 That's not funny. 286 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,600 I'm so sorry. 287 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,120 Why are you laughing then? 288 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,120 You know what bitch? 289 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,120 Sorry, that's not funny. 290 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,120 I don't know what. 291 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,520 You know what, it also reminds me of I watched Charlie's Angels last night and the thin man 292 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,520 has like that cane sword thing. 293 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:48,520 Yeah. 294 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:49,520 That's what I thought of too. 295 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:50,520 Oh, that's awful. 296 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,800 That's awful, right? 297 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,560 She was also notorious for starting conflicts at their local bar that they frequented as 298 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:57,560 well. 299 00:12:57,560 --> 00:13:03,560 So after only nine weeks of marriage, Lewis filed for divorce and a restraining order after 300 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:06,400 Lee was charged with an assault on a fellow bargower. 301 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:07,400 Oh my God. 302 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,000 Wait, did you mention how long they were together before they got married? 303 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,000 No. 304 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Oh, okay. 305 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Because I don't know. 306 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Oh no, no worries. 307 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,960 I was just asking, it seems like they got married rather quickly. 308 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:17,960 They did. 309 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,400 And then all of a sudden, yeah, it's like 10 weeks later and I think later they get divorced. 310 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:22,400 That's wild. 311 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,880 Just four days after being arrested, her brother Keith would actually pass away from cancer 312 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,280 at just 21 years old. 313 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:30,680 What? 314 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:32,640 Super sudden. 315 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,680 Keith also had a life insurance policy of $10,000 that was given to Lee. 316 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:42,400 Lee would need all of two months to go through $10,000. 317 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:48,160 She most notably bought a luxury car only to total it shortly after that. 318 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:53,280 Okay, so all of these things are against her. 319 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:58,480 Everything from childhood on, I'm not at all trying to say that she has a past for acting 320 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,160 this way, but what would you do if you were in that situation? 321 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,240 I would probably be a maniac drinking as well. 322 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:05,240 Of course. 323 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,480 I would be a party idiot. 324 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,720 So around this time, her grandfather actually also committed suicide. 325 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,480 Oh my God. 326 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,840 She's just like no one in my family cares about me or wants to be around me. 327 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,040 Or stays ever. 328 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:24,720 In 1978, Lee, tired and broke, decided to also commit suicide. 329 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,800 She shot herself in the stomach, but survived and recovered after being rushed to the hospital 330 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:30,800 and being treated. 331 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,080 I did not know that. 332 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,040 This was actually her sixth attempt since age 14. 333 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:37,640 Yeah. 334 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,000 Other times were overdoses or purpose overdoses and stuff like that. 335 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,480 God, what a horrible life. 336 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,480 Isn't that awful? 337 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,200 You're 20 years old. 338 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:53,240 On May 20, 1981, Lee would walk into a convenience store, hold a gun to a clerk and demand money 339 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,920 in the register and two packs of cigarettes. 340 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,000 She made a way with $35. 341 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:04,200 Lee was arrested and a year later, she would be taken to prison to serve her one year sentence. 342 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,480 She was released on June 30, 1983. 343 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,840 Less than a year later, she would be arrested again for forging checks. 344 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:16,400 This pattern of serious crimes, arrest, prison time and releases continue for three years. 345 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:22,560 So just trying to get money, get arrested, go to prison, get released, try to get money, 346 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,240 get arrested, go to prison, just kept going and going. 347 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:26,840 She had a big rap sheet. 348 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:32,840 There's never any veering off to get this person any ongoing treatment or help or clearly 349 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,920 she's struggling, clearly she's doing this for a reason. 350 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:36,920 There's none of that. 351 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,160 It's like, oh, you're a piece of shit. 352 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:39,160 You're getting arrested. 353 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:40,660 Okay, you're going to serve your time. 354 00:15:40,660 --> 00:15:41,660 Okay, go away. 355 00:15:41,660 --> 00:15:42,660 Yeah. 356 00:15:42,660 --> 00:15:43,660 No rehabilitation whatsoever. 357 00:15:43,660 --> 00:15:45,160 Yeah, it's just like clockwork. 358 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,320 But I mean, she's 14 and she's pregnant. 359 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:49,320 Nobody at school said anything. 360 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:50,720 Nobody did anything. 361 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:56,120 Apparently, there was neighbors that had said they knew what was going on, but nobody's 362 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,120 reporting this. 363 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,320 Was that a common thing back then? 364 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:00,320 I don't know. 365 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:01,320 Well, I don't know. 366 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:02,320 Her mom was. 367 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,280 I mean, I don't know. 368 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:09,480 Just seems like there has been zero attempt thus far by anyone, including herself, to 369 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:10,480 get help. 370 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:11,480 Yeah, exactly. 371 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,480 And the only way that she knows how to help herself is through her body. 372 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:15,480 Yeah. 373 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,920 It's just, it's really sad. 374 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,720 In 1986, Lee would walk into a local gay spot called the Zodiac and meet the woman that 375 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,440 would change her life forever. 376 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,680 I love doing that. 377 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:32,280 Tyria Moore was 24 years old and she was a hotel maid who had just weeks earlier moved 378 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,320 from her hometown of Cadiz, Ohio. 379 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:37,320 Cadiz. 380 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,320 Cadiz. 381 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,920 I guess that's like, C-A-D-I-Z, Cadiz. 382 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,320 Tyria was brought up relatively conservative, but had always known that she was gay. 383 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,840 She intended to move to Florida with the intention of living her life as her true self, which 384 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,720 in what was a queer woman. 385 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,880 Ty said about the night that she met Lee, quote, she was alone and I was alone. 386 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,240 We started a conversation and she came home with me that night. 387 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,600 And that moment on, the couple were inseparable. 388 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:07,080 However, it did take some time for Ty to realize that Lee was a prostitute. 389 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,920 Slowly, Lee started to tell her about her troubled upbringing and she admitted that she 390 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:17,240 had a criminal past and that she was in fact in the sex trade business. 391 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,840 In any case, Ty didn't really mind being dooted over, taking care of for the most part, because 392 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,200 Lee always had money. 393 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:30,120 Lee told Ty that she didn't need to work and so she asked Ty to quit her job as a 394 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:34,400 lead maid, as Lee made enough money to provide for the both of them. 395 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,560 Ty, however, was really concerned for Lee's safety and insisted that they could find other 396 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,840 means to make money that didn't involve Lee having to prostitute. 397 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,480 Lee was adamant, however, that her earnings would be enough to keep them surviving and 398 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:47,480 happy. 399 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,600 But despite the tug of war between them, they clearly loved one another and they even started 400 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,520 calling each other wife and wife, which is really cute. 401 00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:00,680 But clearly, I think Lee moves really quickly in relationships too, given the marriage and 402 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:01,680 stuff. 403 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:02,680 It's a very world-run for her. 404 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,280 Lee would say about the relationship years later, quote, it was love beyond imaginable. 405 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:12,880 Earthly words cannot describe how I felt about Tyria, which is really sweet. 406 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,280 Lee and Ty hustled and lived comfortably for the next three years together, so it was definitely 407 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:18,280 long-term. 408 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,480 It was in a few months. 409 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,960 But all that would change come late November 1989, when Lee came home to confess one more 410 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,960 terrible secret of hers. 411 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,960 Bum, bum, bum. 412 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,960 And that's what we're going to start from part one. 413 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:31,960 No! 414 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:32,960 Just kidding. 415 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:33,960 No! 416 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:38,760 Lee had gone out that night, like most nights, to make money in exchange for sex or companionship. 417 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:45,000 When she came home to Ty, Lee was driving a 1977 Cadillac that Ty had never seen before. 418 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,560 Lee began to explain the night she had by stating that a John had picked her up in that 419 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,640 very Cadillac earlier in the night. 420 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:56,000 The two drove off to a secluded spot in the woods and began to talk. 421 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,360 Content warning. 422 00:18:57,360 --> 00:19:02,600 As the two began to engage in sexual activity, the John began to assault Lee, beating her, 423 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,320 strangling her, and sexually assaulting her. 424 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,960 The attack would last an hour or so as Lee was forced to perform sexual acts on the man 425 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,720 and with the man. 426 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,480 Lee, having a moment to reach inside of her purse, pulled out a.22 revolver and shot 427 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,760 the man several times in self-defense. 428 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,000 Without listening to all of this, Ty insisted that she didn't want to know anything about 429 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,200 the incident, saying, quote, I told her I didn't want to know anything about it, and 430 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,880 any time that she would come home after that and say certain things, telling me about where 431 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,960 she got something, I said I didn't want to hear it. 432 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,440 This was too full for Ty, as she didn't approve of Lee's going out and prostituting anyways 433 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,280 that made her uncomfortable, but it was also because she was terrified she was going to 434 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,200 be labeled as an accomplice for any of these crimes. 435 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,200 They need to get married. 436 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,200 You can't testify against yourself. 437 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,200 Oh, that's so true. 438 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,200 Sorry. 439 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,480 I was in 1989 where you can't have same sex marriages. 440 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,960 I was going to say, that sounds really bad, and I don't mean to excuse what she did, but 441 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,080 clearly it was self-defense. 442 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,080 Yes. 443 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,080 Very clearly. 444 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,200 Which I've always said, if I was ever forced to kill someone in self-defense, I would be 445 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,040 so pissed at that person. 446 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,240 I don't know what I would do. 447 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,280 That's so scary, but I would do it if I had to. 448 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:13,960 On December 13, 1989, two young men were scouring side ditches along a dirt road near Highway 449 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,120 75 in Pinellas County. 450 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:18,920 They were looking for scrap metal to sell or trade. 451 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,720 There in the dirt, they came across a rolled out piece of carpet, however, inside the carpet 452 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,560 held a body. 453 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:30,560 Just a week before this discovery, the 1977 Cadillac belonging to 51-year-old Richard 454 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:35,360 Charles Mallory was found abandoned outside of Daytona. 455 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:40,160 This was the first inkling that some harm may have come to the man, Richard Mallory. 456 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,460 Mallory owned his own repair shop, like an electronic repair shop, and was known to come 457 00:20:44,460 --> 00:20:46,320 and go from work as he pleased. 458 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:51,080 He had very little concern for anything other than booze or women, and was described by most 459 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,880 as a paranoid man. 460 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:57,040 He was known to go on day-long benders and would often change the locks on his front 461 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,960 door out of fear because he was a paranoid man. 462 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:03,400 I think something like six locks in a year. 463 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,400 Do you think he had schizophrenia? 464 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:06,400 Maybe. 465 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:13,840 It was actually revealed to Lee and Tai once the murder broke into the media that he was 466 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,920 actually previously serving time for rape. 467 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:23,440 The story that Lee told Tai was like, okay, well that backs up what she was saying. 468 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,000 So was it really that far-fetched? 469 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,600 Probably not. 470 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,720 Besides that, another woman was named as a person of interest in the killing, a woman 471 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,320 by the name of Chastity. 472 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,560 She was actually an exotic dancer. 473 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:40,520 Chastity had actually confessed to Mallory's murder in an argument with her boyfriend, 474 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,320 and Mallory was one of her frequent clients. 475 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,120 However it was determined that Chastity said this as a means to threaten the boyfriend 476 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:50,320 and didn't have any substantial evidence leaking her to the crime scene at all. 477 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,920 I hate when people do that shit. 478 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:52,920 Just shut up. 479 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,600 Why are you trying to take credit for something like that? 480 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,760 You really want that to be what someone thinks of you? 481 00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:59,760 You did that? 482 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:00,760 Oh yeah. 483 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:01,760 I'm such a murderer. 484 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:02,760 And you're fucking next. 485 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:03,760 That's terrible. 486 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,920 And then I bet he was like, oh, I still want to be with you now. 487 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:14,800 So yes, clearly Lee and Ty had had this Cadillac. 488 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:20,040 Mallory went missing, quote unquote, but nobody knew he was missing until his Cadillac was 489 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,040 found. 490 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,720 And they found that very unusual. 491 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:29,120 But then after that the case went cold once they interviewed Chastity and she wasn't linked. 492 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:34,120 David Andrew Spears was a 47-year-old construction worker whose truck was found along Highway 493 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:37,080 75 in May of 1990. 494 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,000 He was declared missing shortly after his truck was found. 495 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,520 Spears' body was found in a remote area in the woods in Citrus County by a surveyor 496 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:46,760 on June 1st. 497 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,680 He was nude and he was shot with a.22 revolver six times. 498 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:51,680 Dang. 499 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,840 Initially, the surveyor who found Spears was under suspicion as the man was previously 500 00:22:54,840 --> 00:23:00,480 known to have a bit of a temper and he was also known to tote a gun at all times. 501 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,760 Once the body was identified as David Spears, however, the man was cleared. 502 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,360 I guess just there was no other connection. 503 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:12,040 People describe Spears as an honest, hard-working man who rarely had problems with anyone. 504 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,480 He was even taking care of his ex-wife financially. 505 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,120 So it shows that he's kind of a good guy. 506 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:20,920 He's not a rapist like Mallory. 507 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,080 Charles Edmund Karsgaden was a rodeo worker and a part-time truck driver. 508 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,440 He was 40 years old and would become a victim of Livernos. 509 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,600 His time of death was determined to be somewhere around the end of May 1990. 510 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:39,120 His nude body was found June 6th in the neighboring county of Pasco County, but along Highway 75 511 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:40,360 as well. 512 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:43,800 He was so badly decomposed he couldn't be identified right away. 513 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,680 Karsgaden was shot nine times with a.22 revolver. 514 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:53,000 The detective on the case had heard of a similar MO in Citrus County of a nude man being shot 515 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,520 multiple times and thought it was not likely the first time that the crime scene that he 516 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,960 was at that this perpetrator hadn't killed before. 517 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,120 His again nude body and then you know what I mean? 518 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:05,120 Yeah. 519 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:06,120 Yeah. 520 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:09,640 So it's definitely the same MO if she had one. 521 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,720 So he decided to notify surrounding counties of this investigation that he had. 522 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:19,240 Li at this point had been driving Karsgaden's car and she actually pawned a pistol that 523 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,960 was usually tucked in between the seats. 524 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:21,960 Dumbass. 525 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:22,960 Right. 526 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,640 Okay so really quick. 527 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,920 The first murder was the self-defense one and then she like hid his body in that rug 528 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,520 or whatever. 529 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:37,160 And then it kind of seems like the second and now third murder weren't self-defense 530 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:43,160 and she kind of realized the first time that hmm kind of didn't like hate that you know 531 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:48,400 but you did mention that the first gentleman that was found was not a rapist so I'm interested 532 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,400 to see. 533 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:54,360 Yeah Steven Spears yeah by all accounts he was a good dude and even to take care of his 534 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:55,360 ex-wife financially. 535 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:56,360 Yeah. 536 00:24:56,360 --> 00:25:00,600 And then he was kind of alimony but like just between them the two of them. 537 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,080 So yeah everybody thought that Spears was a really great guy and then this Karsgaden 538 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:10,720 guy haven't really I mean from what I can tell didn't have a criminal record just but 539 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,000 was found nude shot multiple times. 540 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,840 Not only that but in the Mallory case he was shot three times. 541 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,360 Spears was shot six times. 542 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:20,360 Yeah. 543 00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:23,800 And Karsgaden was shot nine times. 544 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:24,800 It's getting like. 545 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,240 With a revolver you have to reload. 546 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,240 Yeah. 547 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,240 That's true. 548 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,240 That's true. 549 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,240 That's kind of gross. 550 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,240 Give me heaps. 551 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:38,840 Peter Abrams Symes was a retired merchant seaman at age 65. 552 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:45,200 In June of 1990 he decided to take a trip to Arkansas from his hometown of Juniper Springs 553 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,920 Florida to go visit some relatives. 554 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,240 It's like a 932 mile drive or something like that. 555 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,400 I know that because I looked that up. 556 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:54,400 Give or take. 557 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,720 Just give or take. 558 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:56,720 Approximately. 559 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:02,120 On July 4th in a quiet neighborhood a resident was enjoying the evening air on her porch. 560 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:06,720 All of a sudden a car comes screeching down the street losing control and smashes into 561 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,400 like this set of bushes. 562 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,960 Two women exit the car and they're yelling at each other. 563 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,160 They start ditching beer cans on the side of the road and at one point the brunette 564 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,840 became very stoic and quiet. 565 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,880 The bright blonde however continued to yell. 566 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,640 The blonde noticed the woman sitting on her porch and becoming increasingly invested in 567 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,120 the scenario. 568 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:30,680 The blonde started yelling out, oh there's no problem. 569 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:31,680 Everything's fine. 570 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,600 My dad lives right down the street. 571 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,600 We'll be fine. 572 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,280 We just went right down the car and now discarding litter in front of your house. 573 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,280 No need. 574 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:40,280 It's cool. 575 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,280 Yeah. 576 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,280 Just no need. 577 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,240 So the two women got in the car but not before the neighbor could call for help. 578 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,160 And at this point she just thought it was a car accident. 579 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,320 She didn't call the police. 580 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,960 She just called first responders. 581 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,280 On the street from this incident the car itself began to struggle and eventually came to a 582 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,360 stop because it was so badly damaged. 583 00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:01,480 The fire department responded to the scene and saw two women walking away from the destroyed 584 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,880 vehicle. 585 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,440 When confronted by the first responders the blonde woman began to lash out and became 586 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,080 incredibly irate at the notion that they were the women that the first responders 587 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,880 were looking for. 588 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,880 Police were called to the accident as the woman escaped the scene. 589 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,800 Police arrived at the scene, ran the plates and the car turned out to belong to Peter 590 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,480 Symes. 591 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,080 Inside the car police would find two crucial pieces of evidence. 592 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,000 One was blood smears all throughout the car and one was a palm print that belonged to 593 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,200 Eileen Warnows. 594 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,680 A palm print. 595 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,120 A palm print. 596 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:36,120 So earlier- That's like a big piece of evidence to miss when you're like trying to- I guess 597 00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:40,520 she wasn't trying to clean if she was just trying to get the shit out of there. 598 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:45,320 But they knew it was Eileen's because when she pawned that other dude's gun they take 599 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,320 hand prints. 600 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,320 Yeah. 601 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,680 And not only that but she's been throughout the system. 602 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,440 As an information was put out to all officers in the area to try to locate the two women, 603 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,440 including Lee. 604 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,880 Unfortunately, Symes' body would never be found. 605 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,880 They only found his car and they just assumed that he needed it. 606 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:01,880 So who was the other woman? 607 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,840 Her wife, perhaps? 608 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:10,360 Ty, now realizing that they were wanted by police, decided to flee to her sister's 609 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:12,560 place in Pennsylvania. 610 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,880 Lee would go on to murder three more men within the next few months. 611 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,760 Roy Eugene Burzes, who was 50 years old, was on a delivery route when he went missing before 612 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,840 delivering his last few packages of the day. 613 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,680 So it's like, yeah. 614 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,520 When he didn't return home after work, his wife reported him missing. 615 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,880 The delivery truck that he used that day was actually found the following morning, 20 miles 616 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,080 away from his last known location. 617 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,080 He would be found five days later and Marion County nude and shot twice. 618 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,280 Oh my god. 619 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:52,160 So here's the thing, if every single one of these men were in a situation where they 620 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,080 were picking up a prostitute, why would he do that mid-delivery? 621 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,080 Yeah, exactly. 622 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:02,120 No, it seems like she originally had this first kill where it was self-defense and then 623 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,880 she graduated to, okay, this is easy. 624 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,800 I can get these guys alone and vulnerable and make it. 625 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:07,800 Then I can do this. 626 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,800 And now they're like- 627 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:09,800 And have a transportation. 628 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:15,840 Well, now it's like, oh shit, I don't have to be a prostitute or sell my body to get 629 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,480 these men, I can just do it, you know, whatever. 630 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,640 It kind of seems like it's graduating. 631 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,400 Lee's next victim was 56-year-old Dick Humphries. 632 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:28,040 He was busy celebrating his 35th wedding anniversary on the 10th of September. 633 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:33,680 However, by the next day, he was reported missing. 634 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,800 The retired Air Force Major and former chief of police was found on the 12th of September, 635 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,760 fully dressed but shot seven times in the chest and the head. 636 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,200 He too was found in Marion County. 637 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,800 Former chief of police. 638 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,640 Now, she really fucked up on that one. 639 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:50,640 Yeah. 640 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,760 Because these guys are never going to sleep until they figure out who the fuck did that. 641 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:54,760 Nope. 642 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:55,760 So keep in mind they're looking for her. 643 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,760 They know who she is. 644 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,920 Oh, they know- it's her the whole time. 645 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,960 They know they're looking for her. 646 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,640 Well, at least for that one murder. 647 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,480 Or at least wanted as a person of interest, maybe not for the murder. 648 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,480 Ballsy. 649 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,920 They at least want to interview her and say, why did you have this man who's missing his 650 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:11,920 car? 651 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,560 They don't know he's actually dead because they've never found him. 652 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:14,560 That's true. 653 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:15,560 Ah. 654 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,800 Walter Antonio was 62 at the time of his murder. 655 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,720 He was a trucker and security guard. 656 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,680 Antonio was found halfway clothed on November 19th, 1990. 657 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,360 He was shot four times. 658 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,800 He had been murdered some time within the last 24 hours of being found. 659 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,480 So they knew she was in the area. 660 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,120 They're catching up to her. 661 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,680 Catching up to you, girl. 662 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,880 And remember, Lee is on her own at this point. 663 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,880 Ty is not there. 664 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,680 Ty is in Pennsylvania. 665 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,920 On January 9th, 1991, Lee Warnows was found at a biker bar and brought in on a warrant 666 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,040 from a previous failure to a pure case. 667 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,200 While in a holding cell, police tried to locate Ty in Pennsylvania. 668 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:01,160 Ty agreed to come back to Florida in an attempt to cooperate and strike a deal with police. 669 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,720 Detectives agreed to supply Ty with food and alcohol while being posted up in a hotel 670 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,720 with the intention of coaxing a confession from Lee while she was in jail. 671 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,080 So this is the 9th, right? 672 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,720 She was arrested on the 9th. 673 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:21,160 This is with the increment that Ty would serve no time whatsoever for any involvement that 674 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,160 she had. 675 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,760 At first, Lee was really suspicious of the conversations being recorded. 676 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:31,160 Ty even said that she was coming into town to pick up some stuff that she had left behind. 677 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,800 Like months later? 678 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:33,800 Yeah. 679 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:34,800 Yeah, that's not all. 680 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,560 She was just trying to come pick up some stuff. 681 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,240 Yeah, this is like six months later. 682 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,600 I was just in the neighborhood even though I live across the country. 683 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,800 She had to come up with something because she knew she was in Florida. 684 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,800 Yeah. 685 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,160 So again, Lee was super suspicious of why Ty was even calling her. 686 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,880 She tried to speak in code to not allude police to her being a perpetrator of the murders, 687 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,880 Lee would. 688 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:57,880 And it's weird stuff. 689 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,400 It's like, oh, go get the ink pen of the dubibit. 690 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,080 And Ty's like, I don't know what you're talking about. 691 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,400 And Ty knew that she was being recorded, that they were being recorded. 692 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,400 And so she knew she couldn't be held responsible for any of the crimes anyways. 693 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,440 So Ty became very bold with her speech after a while. 694 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,680 And after a few days of seeing no extra charges brought upon the two of them, Lee started to 695 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,680 get comfortable. 696 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,680 Well, yeah. 697 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:26,160 And also Ty can pretty much say whatever she wants and makes Eileen comfortable like, 698 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,360 oh, you're incriminating yourself so obviously we're not being recorded. 699 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,360 Right, exactly. 700 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,800 That's so scary. 701 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,800 Over the course of 11 phone calls, Ty begged Lee to tell the truth about her own involvement 702 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,280 in the crimes and to admit that Ty was completely innocent of all crimes. 703 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,480 And she was saying like, you know, if you don't confess to all of this, they're talking 704 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,520 about putting me away and all this, there's been being your accomplice. 705 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:49,520 Yeah. 706 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,400 Like I need you to confess that you did all of this, essentially guilting her. 707 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,400 Lee was quoted and saying, quote, you're innocent. 708 00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,280 I'm not gonna let you go to jail if I have to confess for everything I will. 709 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:05,880 So on January 16th, 1991, Eileen Warnows confessed to all of the murders that she had committed. 710 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,880 Oh my gosh. 711 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,640 So this is just what seven days a week later. 712 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,960 Yeah. 713 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,960 She claimed that it was all self-defense from the moment that she started to admit it. 714 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:19,480 On January 27th, 1992, so this is a year later, Eileen Warnows was convicted of murder in 715 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:20,760 the case of Charles Mallory. 716 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,680 I didn't go into the trial stuff. 717 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,760 It's pretty cut and dry. 718 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:24,760 Yeah. 719 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:25,760 She admitted. 720 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:26,760 Yeah. 721 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:34,960 The judge denied her defense attempt to admit Mallory's criminal record into evidence, however, 722 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,160 and also denied this on grounds for a retrial. 723 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:44,320 So they didn't admit the fact that he was a rabist and that he had served time for it. 724 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,000 It was not admitted into evidence. 725 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:52,160 Which means that her conviction or her charge is going to just be that much more because 726 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,160 it wasn't self-defense. 727 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,160 Right. 728 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,160 Exactly. 729 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,360 So they're trying to claim self-defense just based on that one night, that one action, 730 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,440 not his previous record of this being a problem for him. 731 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,480 And so because of that, she tried to take it to a retrial and said, I want a retrial 732 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,840 with this evidence submitted and they denied her. 733 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:11,840 Damn. 734 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:12,840 Straight up. 735 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,360 But I mean, at the same time though, she confessed to multiple murders after that in cold blood, 736 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,960 so they're probably just like, fuck you. 737 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:18,960 Like, sorry. 738 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:19,960 Like, even if- 739 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,720 Well, she was saying all of them were self-defense at this point. 740 00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:23,160 Yeah, that's what I'm saying though. 741 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:28,080 They're like, okay, even if that one was truly self-defense, like you still did this and 742 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,080 that and the other like multiple times afterwards. 743 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,080 Which I don't know. 744 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,840 I think, well, she is charged later for other ones. 745 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,520 So I think this is just the Mallory case. 746 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,280 So I don't think, I mean, I don't, yeah. 747 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,720 So once these requests were denied, Eileen was really discouraged and she would eventually 748 00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:50,520 plead no contest to the murders of Dick Humphrey's, Troy Burgess and David Spears. 749 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,040 What is no contest? 750 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,000 That means I'm not gonna admit to it, but I'm also not gonna fight it. 751 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,000 Oh, okay. 752 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,000 Yeah. 753 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,000 So it's kind of like in between- 754 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,000 Like in different- 755 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000 Guilty or no guilty or no guilty. 756 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,680 Guilty or no guilty. 757 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,600 So she did admit on the stand, however, that Mallory had raped her violently, but that 758 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,200 these three men had not, although they quote, began to. 759 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:19,480 So she was saying, well, they didn't technically, but they were starting to. 760 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,080 So I just killed them before they could do it. 761 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,680 Before they could do it. 762 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:23,680 Which if you- 763 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:24,680 It's a gray area. 764 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:30,560 Well, I just, it's so hard for me to think about that because if she's traumatized from 765 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:37,240 that event, any sign or detail or even paranoia she might have could manifest that way. 766 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:39,640 You know, I mean, clearly these men were naked. 767 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,960 Yeah, but at the same time, like if these men weren't violent, like it seems like they 768 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,800 weren't, she could have probably just left as well. 769 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:48,800 Left. 770 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,800 You know what I mean? 771 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:50,800 Rather than just killing them. 772 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:56,240 Wernos would go on to plead guilty in both the Charles Kars-Caddon and Walt Antonio 773 00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,240 cases. 774 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:01,640 Wernos would receive six death sentences for her crimes. 775 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,160 Oh my gosh. 776 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:08,720 Throughout her incarceration, Wernos inconsistently described the events of all of the crimes. 777 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:12,760 So she would tell, I know there's like this one TV interview she was giving and she was 778 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,080 very passionate about how these men were just awful men and all that sort of stuff. 779 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,760 And then the cameras were turned off and she said, but you know, it was also like, they 780 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,240 also weren't like that bad. 781 00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:26,520 You know, I know there's one interview that I haven't really seen a lot about her. 782 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,680 I haven't really watched any documentaries, but I know that there's one where like, isn't 783 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,400 she like really cold in one point? 784 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,080 And they're like, why'd you kill him? 785 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,120 And she's like, oh, because he was fucking asshole. 786 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,120 Like I just, I did it. 787 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,120 Like I just learned him. 788 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,120 I learned him over to my apartment. 789 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,120 I just fucking killed him. 790 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,120 What do you want from me? 791 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,880 Like she's like super just like matter of fact about it. 792 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:49,360 Like, but I think that's also a defense mechanism, you know, like of hers is to not feel like 793 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,080 empathy for people. 794 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,680 Yeah, that's true. 795 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,600 Lee was evaluated while in prison. 796 00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:02,840 The psychological test PCLR is used to determine the psychopathy of individuals. 797 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,840 There are interview portions and personality evaluations within it. 798 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,600 The United States recognizes a ceiling of 30 points in order to be considered sociopathic 799 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,640 and Lee had scored a 32. 800 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,320 Oh no. 801 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:23,120 But like, it seems like a shitload of nurture though. 802 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,080 Like I feel like people that are considered quote unquote, psychopathic or sociopathic, 803 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,560 that's a lot of nature. 804 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,880 This seems like a real, I mean, I'm not saying it's not also nature, but like with her upbringing 805 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,400 and like everything that she was put through. 806 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,120 It seems like a lot of nurture. 807 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:43,120 She was quoted in saying, quote, I killed those men, robbed them cold as ice and I do 808 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,600 it again too. 809 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,480 There's no chance in keeping me alive or anything because I'd just kill again. 810 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,760 I have hate crawling through my system. 811 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,320 I'm so sick of hearing this quote, she's crazy stuff. 812 00:37:54,320 --> 00:38:00,240 I've been evaluated so many times, I am competent, sane, and I'm trying to tell the truth. 813 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:04,520 I am the one who seriously hates human life and I would kill again. 814 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,520 End quote. 815 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,320 I mean, at least she's honest out of everything she's honest. 816 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,320 True. 817 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,320 She knows. 818 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,040 I mean, other killers like that too, like I can't think of any off the top of my head, 819 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,600 but there's been some killers like, okay, perfect example, the Weepy Voice Killer, do 820 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:20,600 you know about that guy? 821 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:21,600 Yeah. 822 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:22,600 Okay. 823 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,880 I don't know why I get so killing people, I just don't know why. 824 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,840 Okay, that was a disgustingly like accurate representation. 825 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,480 I've seen a lot of stuff about that. 826 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:39,600 He, for example, was one of those people similar to that is like, I'm just going to keep doing 827 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,600 it like you need to help me. 828 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:41,600 It's a compulsion. 829 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:42,600 Yeah. 830 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,720 Like I'm not going to stop unless I'm dead is pretty much what she's saying. 831 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:49,280 And I feel like we've heard that from other people that are sociopathic or psychopathic. 832 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,280 Eileen Moreno would actually begin to beg to die the last few years that she was on Death 833 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,280 Row. 834 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:55,280 She wanted to die so bad. 835 00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,800 She was, she would go on hunger strikes and she would talk about the crimes in detail more 836 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:08,320 and more only adding to that, that concept of her just being this monster. 837 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,960 In order to continue to fight for the right to die earlier, she would be on death row 838 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:14,960 for 10 years. 839 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,160 I'm sorry, someone on death row is asking to die. 840 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,520 I'm not trying to be rude, but like why wouldn't you just expedite the process? 841 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:21,520 Bump me up, dude. 842 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,520 You're doing it anyway. 843 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,520 Yeah. 844 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:28,280 It's, she seriously, she actually hired a lawyer, if I'm correct, she hired a lawyer 845 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:34,200 to try to fast track essentially her execution because she was tired of being there. 846 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:41,200 So I know that's not easy to do this in prison, but she had six previous suicide attempts. 847 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,040 Does she have any suicide attempts in prison? 848 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,280 Except for the hunger? 849 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:50,200 She tried to starve herself and not only that, but she was also getting very paranoid at 850 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,200 this point. 851 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,240 I mean, she became a meek person essentially. 852 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:56,240 Not meek mentally. 853 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,520 Mentally, she was, I mean, physically. 854 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,360 But she was convinced that people were slowly trying to kill her. 855 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,600 They were like, why, why isn't this death penalty thing going through? 856 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,840 Like, you know, she just, like I said, she just wanted to fucking check out. 857 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,400 And she was thinking that she was being harassed. 858 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:21,760 She didn't think this, but she was being harassed by security or correctional officers, corrections 859 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,040 officers. 860 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,280 She thought that people were poisoning her food, like all this stuff. 861 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:32,520 Like she, she literally thought that she was meant to suffer the last years of her life. 862 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,120 That's what she'd get when you're on death row. 863 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,160 I'm not saying that, but she kills six people, you know, that's. 864 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,160 Oh yeah. 865 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:44,080 But so yeah, she, she definitely thought that there was some bigger thing that was going 866 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,000 on besides her just sitting on death row. 867 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,680 And in reality, it's just like a fucking flaw in the system. 868 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,440 Just like, they're like, oh yeah, there's just like a, there's an order of, you know, 869 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,640 inmates that we have to follow and you're just not on the top of the list yet. 870 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:56,640 Yeah, exactly. 871 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,440 They're, you know, that's awful. 872 00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,440 Yeah. 873 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:00,440 Super sad. 874 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:06,760 Eileen Warnos woke up the morning of October 9th, 2002, and in place of having a last meal, 875 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,160 she only requested a cup of coffee. 876 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:14,320 Her last words were, quote, yes, I would just like to say, I'm sailing with the rock. 877 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,560 I'll be back. 878 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,840 Just like Independence Day with Jesus. 879 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,360 June 6th, like the movie, big mother ship and all, I'll be back. 880 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,360 I'll be back. 881 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,360 End quote. 882 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:30,960 She was pronounced dead at 947 AM and it was by lethal injection. 883 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:31,960 Damn. 884 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,960 Yeah. 885 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:33,960 That's wild. 886 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:34,960 For some reason, I thought she was alive. 887 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:35,960 I don't know why. 888 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,960 I don't, man. 889 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:38,960 So here's the thing, right? 890 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,400 So Warnos has actually been talked about being one of the most famous serial killers of all 891 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:44,400 time. 892 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:50,600 In the last three to four years, she has actually been labeled as a cult hero and feminist icon. 893 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,440 It is a story about how the system could fail such a young person and untreated trauma 894 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,880 that this woman experienced was so great. 895 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,480 It's no wonder that she gained such a trigger response to abuse throughout her life. 896 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,280 An interesting article, if you all ever want to read anything about this, I didn't get 897 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,040 a really good chance to read it, but I skimmed through it. 898 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:14,520 It's an article called How Misogyny Drives the Marginalized to Kill, which sounded really 899 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:15,520 heavy. 900 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,120 And I was like, oh, shit. 901 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,120 Damn. 902 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,120 Yeah. 903 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,120 So that's Lee Warnos. 904 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,400 I just think that, again, I'll say it again, like the nurture thing has so much to do with 905 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,480 it, with all of the shit that she was put through, not that she had to go through, that 906 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:34,600 she was put through as a child by her piece of shit, especially grandfather and his stupid 907 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,440 ass friends. 908 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:44,120 I don't think that any of those men, maybe with exception to the first one, deserved 909 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,680 what they got. 910 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,440 But I definitely am not excusing her actions when it comes to that. 911 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,960 But it's just like, what the fuck do you do? 912 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:54,960 What would you do? 913 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,680 What would you do if you were in that situation? 914 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,920 And then you had that clearly she's mentally ill as well. 915 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,160 So put that on top of everything else. 916 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:10,080 So in the Mallory case, the other side of the pancake, if you will, is the fact that 917 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,840 he had served his time. 918 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:21,200 And I didn't specifically look up what he did, but it had been over 10 years since he 919 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,560 had been released from prison and not a single other offense. 920 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,200 And I'm not saying that doesn't make him a rapist. 921 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,640 I'm just saying that's the other side of the pancake. 922 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,720 And that's what the prosecution talked about. 923 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:33,720 Devil's advocate. 924 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:40,120 They were saying, well, you say it's because he was this way, but what about this? 925 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,240 Did you know? 926 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:42,240 Did you know? 927 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:43,240 Oh, dang. 928 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:44,240 Yeah. 929 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:47,840 So it's like they fought to defend a dead rapist. 930 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:48,840 A dead rapist. 931 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,560 I mean, really. 932 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,560 I don't know, man. 933 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,800 It's just that's a wild story. 934 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,120 I had no idea that she was with Ty for as long as she was. 935 00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,120 I didn't know that at all. 936 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,320 I also didn't know about the first murder that she had committed. 937 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,280 I didn't really know most of that story. 938 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,280 So thank you for sharing that. 939 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,760 It's just a terrible, awful child. 940 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:08,760 It is. 941 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:09,760 And her brother dying. 942 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:10,760 That's what I was going to say. 943 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:17,000 The loss of her brother, I'm sure, is like, and we talked about traumatic events triggering 944 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,560 mental illness. 945 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,560 Yeah. 946 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:27,880 And that moment with Mallory taking advantage of her just probably put her right back to 947 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,640 when she was a kid. 948 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,160 And then not having the control and then realizing, no, I'm a fucking adult. 949 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,160 I have the control. 950 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,160 And I have a weapon. 951 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,920 And I'm going to use it. 952 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:37,920 That's wild. 953 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:38,920 Yeah. 954 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:45,840 She's definitely been a very talked about killer recently even for many years. 955 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,800 And I'm sorry, when did you say that she died? 956 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:49,800 2002. 957 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:50,800 2002. 958 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:51,800 Okay. 959 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,800 So I mean, 20 years ago. 960 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:53,800 She's a cult classic. 961 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:54,800 Yeah. 962 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:55,800 She's the criterion collection. 963 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:56,800 Wow. 964 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,800 That's wild. 965 00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,720 Well, thank you for sharing that. 966 00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:04,440 I was excited to hear that case and anything else you got? 967 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,440 No, that's it. 968 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,320 I just want to say one thing really quick. 969 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,960 It has nothing to do with today's case or anything like that. 970 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,920 But I just recently became friends with a girl that just moved here from Pennsylvania. 971 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,880 And I was asking her how far Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania was from where she lived. 972 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,400 And she goes, Oh, Wilkes Berry. 973 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,400 And I was like, Oh, shit. 974 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,400 I've been pronouncing that wrong. 975 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:28,200 It's because it's spelled B a R R E like a ballet bar. 976 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,200 And so I was saying bars. 977 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,760 She's like, that's pronounced Wilkes Berry. 978 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:31,760 And I was like, Oh my God. 979 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,200 Because I know that one of the cases that we've done in the past, whoever it was was 980 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,200 born there. 981 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,200 Okay. 982 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,840 So I think it was George Banks, I think was born there. 983 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,640 Anyway, I think we're going to skip the mental breakdown and we're going to go straight 984 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,640 into the next case. 985 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:46,640 We're doing cases. 986 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,000 I think we should just keep doing cases for a while. 987 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,400 I think that's what we needed to do to get the ball rolling and get some more listeners. 988 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,400 I agree. 989 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,640 I'm also telling everyone that I've ever met about this freaking podcast. 990 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,840 So hopefully everyone's listening. 991 00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,880 Thank you guys for joining us for another case. 992 00:45:59,880 --> 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