Hello!
We laughed as well!
So creepy!
Hello!
Welcome back to Diagnosing a Killer, I'm Koelle.
And I'm Kenna, if you can't tell because we sound the same apparently.
We do.
I can't believe we laughed the same way.
That was weird, I'm excited already to go back and listen to that.
And to listen to it.
That's so creepy.
Why?
I was reading this thing today, it was identical twins who married identical twins.
And they had...
Well they just had two babies, but which is not where you thought that was going.
I thought you had identical twins.
They all had identical twins.
But since identical twin DNA is the same, technically their sons, even though they're cousins, are brothers.
Ugh, I feel like that's kind of weird.
Right?
I don't know.
They probably look exactly the same.
They look the same as all J's or whatever.
It's just because the DNA is the same.
So it's like they have two dads or two moms.
But they look alike?
Biologically.
Yeah, they're identical twins.
So the dads look the same.
And even the kids are like, two daddies, two mommies?
Because they look the same.
Oh my god, I bet it does.
I bet it does.
They're kids though, I think they're like maybe a year old each.
But they're only like three months apart, the kids are.
So they look like twins.
Wow, that's crazy.
What if they were born on the same day?
That would be even wilder.
That would be so weird.
How's everyone doing?
Doing good.
All of the listeners, I know you can't respond, but.
I mean you could.
You could if you wanted.
You could email us.
We haven't gotten any more emails, so we're still looking for that.
But I am excited to say that we, and I don't know who you're doing, but we have both kind of talked about recently the fact that we're both doing like pretty big names for our next couple cases.
I want to say like we might even skip over like doing a mental breakdown because yours is going to be a long case.
Mine's going to be a two-parter.
So we're going to have like a lot of content coming out.
Right.
So honestly, just maybe just for now, like not do a mental breakdown and just put all of our energy into these cases.
Just cases, yeah.
Stop.
I can't.
I can't stop.
Stop having that voice.
Thank you.
Thanks.
So yeah, I'm really excited to see who you are, to know who you're doing.
And I don't think we have anything really else to talk about, so...
We are going to talk about Eileen Warnows.
Oh my god.
I'm so excited.
Eileen Warnows.
Oh yay.
Okay, this is the good one.
We've been wanting to do this one.
Yeah, I think it's her time to shine.
Oh man.
She's still alive, right?
Oh no.
No?
No.
I can't now.
Oh my god.
Okay.
Diane Warnows was just 14 years old when she married 18 year old husband Leo Pittman in
June of 1954.
Not much to say about Diane at this point.
However, Leo was in and out of mental institutions and prisons.
Keep in mind he's only 18 at this point.
Yeah, this is already going downhill.
This is great.
Almost one year later, the couple gave birth to their first child named Keith in March,
and Diane would find herself pregnant again in 1956 with a daughter named Eileen.
Before Eileen's birth, however, the couple would divorce.
She was like, I think she was born two months later.
So Leo had actually suffered from schizophrenia and was his whole life, I'm assuming.
But schizophrenia at 18 though.
That's when it usually starts in the late teens, early 20s.
But he was already in and out of mental institutions before that.
Well, you know in Andre Thomas's case, you saw signs of schizophrenia when he was like
10, 8 or 10.
That's true.
So it's not a cut and dry thing when it starts.
Leo was actually convicted of sexually assaulting a 7 year old and beat her.
And he was actually incarcerated for his crimes two months before Eileen was born.
That's disgusting.
And that's why Diane filed for divorce.
Well good for her.
Right.
Well, it's not pattern on the back just yet.
All right, y'all.
Let's just not do that.
So Eileen Pittman was born two months later.
So Diane was now 16 years old at this point with two children.
Ooh.
That's, I mean, but then it's like what, the 50s?
I mean, that wasn't that uncommon.
Yeah, but it wasn't the 30s.
No, that's right.
Yeah, the 50s.
And keep in mind, this is after World War II.
Yeah.
So, you know, a lot of people were having babies.
Yeah.
Diane struggled to provide for her two children.
So after four years of struggling, by 1960, she decided that she couldn't take care of
her kids anymore.
So she ended up dropping them off at her estranged parents' house.
Okay.
So the kids' grandparents.
Okay.
But they weren't on good terms.
So she's just like cyanara?
She's like, well, this is like the closest slash not closest way of like still having
my kids.
Okay, that doesn't make any sense.
But she just dipped.
She straight up dipped.
I think she ended up moving to Texas.
So another fun fact about Diane's parents is that they're both raging alcoholics.
So although the children did not know that the people that they began to live with were
actually their biological grandparents, they thought that they were their biological parents.
How old were they when they got dropped off?
Four years old.
Four and five.
I feel like that's old enough though to not know that those aren't your parents.
But you just like think, you know what I mean?
Like if you were just told that those are your biological parents.
That's true.
So you really adopted them as well within this like few months that they gained?
Oh yeah.
And to be fair, dad wasn't around and mom might have just been like, oh, I'm just taking
care of you.
I'll say dad wasn't around.
Yeah, he was in prison for a horrible crime.
But yeah, that makes, I mean, maybe they were like, oh, that was like your adoptive mom,
like your foster mom, whatever, and wherever you're real kids.
Yeah, exactly.
She was just watching you or something.
So they understood that these grandparents were their biological parents, so the grand,
like I said, the grandparents legally adopted them.
But over the next, you know, formidable years that the kids would have, essentially Eileen
and supposedly Keith were actually physically and sexually abused by the grandfather.
So her grandfather would actually, content warning, not if that one wasn't one already,
but her grandfather would actually allow his friends to also abuse the kids.
That is literally so fucking disgusting.
It's so gross.
And like in what world are you going over like, hey, you got any children for me to
abuse?
Right.
Let's just make this like a group fucking thing.
Like that is so gross.
It's disgusting.
So of course, you know, Eileen being taught this at a very young age, she began to be
sexually active with boys in school.
And then she would actually start using this, using sexual activity to trade things for
like food and drugs and cigarettes.
Like form of payment.
Yeah.
And she's like 11, 12 years old at this point.
Oh my God.
So she's in this at a really young age.
This was like an asset to her.
So at 12, it would be revealed that Eileen's parents, quote unquote, were actually her
grandparents.
It was revealed to her somehow.
And so at this point, she's like, well, fuck you guys.
Like, you know, I have no want or attachment to you at this point.
So in 1969, Leo Pittman, who's Eileen's bio dad, he actually committed suicide in prison.
And so she never met her biological father.
Yeah.
Because he was gone before she was born and then in prison.
Well, and then she didn't, she just thought that these people were her biological parents
and didn't know who her biological parents really were.
And then learning that these people aren't your biological parents, but you want to know
more about your biological parents.
But when was he really worth knowing?
Unalive.
Huh?
Was he really worth knowing though?
No, he's a total piece of shit.
It's not like he was a good guy.
Yeah.
So I actually put that in there.
Yeah.
Not that he sounds like a great dude or anything.
Yeah.
So by 14 and 1970, Eileen would actually find herself pregnant by one of her grandfather's
friends.
Oh my God.
That's so gross.
In that same year, Eileen's grandmother would actually pass due to cirrhosis of the liver
because they were constant alcoholics.
So she's pregnant.
Her grandmother dies, who's probably, I mean, I'm not saying she was a great woman either,
but clearly better than the grandfather probably.
And who knows how much shit she knew about what her husband was doing.
But to lose her grandmother while she was pregnant.
And so Eileen eventually gave birth to a son, but gave it up for adoption.
Of course, right?
She's 14.
So by 15, her and her brother would actually be kicked out of the grandfather's home because
the kids were getting a little older, stronger, and more rebellious.
So he wasn't going to deal with it and his wife had passed.
So go on.
I'll just live my life by myself now.
He didn't want children in the house that were going to be objecting to this sexual abuse.
To abuse.
Exactly.
I know I said like eight times already, but that's literally disgusting.
So finding this out, Diane, bio mom is like, Hey, y'all should just come to Texas and the
kids were like, No, fuck off.
So you want us now?
Now you want us.
So apparently Diane had gotten her life together at this point.
And maybe she was like dating a dude, but she had also had really like strict rules, which
is funny.
So she's like, Well, you can come to Texas, but if you're going to come to Texas, like
you all need to work and you're on there.
And they were like, No, we've had absolutely no structure our whole life.
And are you going to impose this on us?
No.
So at this point, Eileen is 15 and Keith is 16 kids.
Yeah, like a little over children.
So Keith and Eileen who Eileen now goes by Lee.
She told everybody that her, you know, to call her Lee, she dropped out of school.
I mean, could you blame her?
Yeah, she's not, she's homeless.
So they actually lived in the woods very close to the house that they were raised in because
they didn't know what else to do.
But yeah, like, we're, do you don't know any other part of the world?
Like you've never been anywhere else.
So Lee would actually prostitute for money and maybe Keith too.
I'm not sure.
So the kiddos kind of hitchhiked together across the country.
They hopped around prostituting and committing petty thievery along the way.
And they did that for about four years.
And in 1974, Lee would have her first official run-up with the law.
While in Colorado, 18 year old Lee was intoxicated driving a car.
As she was drunk driving, she actually pointed a.22 pistol out of the car and was just shooting
like up in the air along the highway.
So yeah, she was, I mean, she was a kid, 18, but still it's like, so anyways, she was
arrested for these offenses.
And soon to follow those arrests, she would actually be arrested along the way for over
the course of the years forging checks, disorderly conduct, armed robbery, and eventually grand
theft auto.
Damn.
So she's just racking up.
Going for it.
Yeah.
So in 1976, Lee would actually move down to Florida where she would meet her future husband.
He was 69 year old Lewis Fell.
He was a yacht club president and a well off man from successes in stock trading.
Okay, so like complete opposite.
Complete opposite.
And he found her, she was hitchhiking and they struck up a conversation and I guess they
just started becoming friends.
And so eventually they married.
21 year old Lee saw the opportunity to have a stable and maybe a stable life and maybe
even the worst of it would be over for her.
But under the surface, she's still a very hurt traumatized person.
So she would have outbursts and tantrums and they eventually turned physical and mostly
towards her new husband.
And keep in mind the dude is like 69 or 70.
In one instance, she actually beat him with his own cane when he refused to give her
money.
Why are you laughing then?
That's not funny.
I'm so sorry.
Why are you laughing then?
You know what bitch?
Sorry, that's not funny.
I don't know what.
You know what, it also reminds me of I watched Charlie's Angels last night and the thin man
has like that cane sword thing.
Yeah.
That's what I thought of too.
Oh, that's awful.
That's awful, right?
She was also notorious for starting conflicts at their local bar that they frequented as
well.
So after only nine weeks of marriage, Lewis filed for divorce and a restraining order after
Lee was charged with an assault on a fellow bargower.
Oh my God.
Wait, did you mention how long they were together before they got married?
No.
Oh, okay.
Because I don't know.
Oh no, no worries.
I was just asking, it seems like they got married rather quickly.
They did.
And then all of a sudden, yeah, it's like 10 weeks later and I think later they get divorced.
That's wild.
Just four days after being arrested, her brother Keith would actually pass away from cancer
at just 21 years old.
What?
Super sudden.
Keith also had a life insurance policy of $10,000 that was given to Lee.
Lee would need all of two months to go through $10,000.
She most notably bought a luxury car only to total it shortly after that.
Okay, so all of these things are against her.
Everything from childhood on, I'm not at all trying to say that she has a past for acting
this way, but what would you do if you were in that situation?
I would probably be a maniac drinking as well.
Of course.
I would be a party idiot.
So around this time, her grandfather actually also committed suicide.
Oh my God.
She's just like no one in my family cares about me or wants to be around me.
Or stays ever.
In 1978, Lee, tired and broke, decided to also commit suicide.
She shot herself in the stomach, but survived and recovered after being rushed to the hospital
and being treated.
I did not know that.
This was actually her sixth attempt since age 14.
Yeah.
Other times were overdoses or purpose overdoses and stuff like that.
God, what a horrible life.
Isn't that awful?
You're 20 years old.
On May 20, 1981, Lee would walk into a convenience store, hold a gun to a clerk and demand money
in the register and two packs of cigarettes.
She made a way with $35.
Lee was arrested and a year later, she would be taken to prison to serve her one year sentence.
She was released on June 30, 1983.
Less than a year later, she would be arrested again for forging checks.
This pattern of serious crimes, arrest, prison time and releases continue for three years.
So just trying to get money, get arrested, go to prison, get released, try to get money,
get arrested, go to prison, just kept going and going.
She had a big rap sheet.
There's never any veering off to get this person any ongoing treatment or help or clearly
she's struggling, clearly she's doing this for a reason.
There's none of that.
It's like, oh, you're a piece of shit.
You're getting arrested.
Okay, you're going to serve your time.
Okay, go away.
Yeah.
No rehabilitation whatsoever.
Yeah, it's just like clockwork.
But I mean, she's 14 and she's pregnant.
Nobody at school said anything.
Nobody did anything.
Apparently, there was neighbors that had said they knew what was going on, but nobody's
reporting this.
Was that a common thing back then?
I don't know.
Well, I don't know.
Her mom was.
I mean, I don't know.
Just seems like there has been zero attempt thus far by anyone, including herself, to
get help.
Yeah, exactly.
And the only way that she knows how to help herself is through her body.
Yeah.
It's just, it's really sad.
In 1986, Lee would walk into a local gay spot called the Zodiac and meet the woman that
would change her life forever.
I love doing that.
Tyria Moore was 24 years old and she was a hotel maid who had just weeks earlier moved
from her hometown of Cadiz, Ohio.
Cadiz.
I guess that's like, C-A-D-I-Z, Cadiz.
Tyria was brought up relatively conservative, but had always known that she was gay.
She intended to move to Florida with the intention of living her life as her true self, which
in what was a queer woman.
Ty said about the night that she met Lee, quote, she was alone and I was alone.
We started a conversation and she came home with me that night.
And that moment on, the couple were inseparable.
However, it did take some time for Ty to realize that Lee was a prostitute.
Slowly, Lee started to tell her about her troubled upbringing and she admitted that she
had a criminal past and that she was in fact in the sex trade business.
In any case, Ty didn't really mind being dooted over, taking care of for the most part, because
Lee always had money.
Lee told Ty that she didn't need to work and so she asked Ty to quit her job as a
lead maid, as Lee made enough money to provide for the both of them.
Ty, however, was really concerned for Lee's safety and insisted that they could find other
means to make money that didn't involve Lee having to prostitute.
Lee was adamant, however, that her earnings would be enough to keep them surviving and
happy.
But despite the tug of war between them, they clearly loved one another and they even started
calling each other wife and wife, which is really cute.
But clearly, I think Lee moves really quickly in relationships too, given the marriage and
stuff.
It's a very world-run for her.
Lee would say about the relationship years later, quote, it was love beyond imaginable.
Earthly words cannot describe how I felt about Tyria, which is really sweet.
Lee and Ty hustled and lived comfortably for the next three years together, so it was definitely
long-term.
It was in a few months.
But all that would change come late November 1989, when Lee came home to confess one more
terrible secret of hers.
Bum, bum, bum.
And that's what we're going to start from part one.
No!
Just kidding.
No!
Lee had gone out that night, like most nights, to make money in exchange for sex or companionship.
When she came home to Ty, Lee was driving a 1977 Cadillac that Ty had never seen before.
Lee began to explain the night she had by stating that a John had picked her up in that
very Cadillac earlier in the night.
The two drove off to a secluded spot in the woods and began to talk.
Content warning.
As the two began to engage in sexual activity, the John began to assault Lee, beating her,
strangling her, and sexually assaulting her.
The attack would last an hour or so as Lee was forced to perform sexual acts on the man
and with the man.
Lee, having a moment to reach inside of her purse, pulled out a.22 revolver and shot
the man several times in self-defense.
Without listening to all of this, Ty insisted that she didn't want to know anything about
the incident, saying, quote, I told her I didn't want to know anything about it, and
any time that she would come home after that and say certain things, telling me about where
she got something, I said I didn't want to hear it.
This was too full for Ty, as she didn't approve of Lee's going out and prostituting anyways
that made her uncomfortable, but it was also because she was terrified she was going to
be labeled as an accomplice for any of these crimes.
They need to get married.
You can't testify against yourself.
Oh, that's so true.
Sorry.
I was in 1989 where you can't have same sex marriages.
I was going to say, that sounds really bad, and I don't mean to excuse what she did, but
clearly it was self-defense.
Yes.
Very clearly.
Which I've always said, if I was ever forced to kill someone in self-defense, I would be
so pissed at that person.
I don't know what I would do.
That's so scary, but I would do it if I had to.
On December 13, 1989, two young men were scouring side ditches along a dirt road near Highway
75 in Pinellas County.
They were looking for scrap metal to sell or trade.
There in the dirt, they came across a rolled out piece of carpet, however, inside the carpet
held a body.
Just a week before this discovery, the 1977 Cadillac belonging to 51-year-old Richard
Charles Mallory was found abandoned outside of Daytona.
This was the first inkling that some harm may have come to the man, Richard Mallory.
Mallory owned his own repair shop, like an electronic repair shop, and was known to come
and go from work as he pleased.
He had very little concern for anything other than booze or women, and was described by most
as a paranoid man.
He was known to go on day-long benders and would often change the locks on his front
door out of fear because he was a paranoid man.
I think something like six locks in a year.
Do you think he had schizophrenia?
Maybe.
It was actually revealed to Lee and Tai once the murder broke into the media that he was
actually previously serving time for rape.
The story that Lee told Tai was like, okay, well that backs up what she was saying.
So was it really that far-fetched?
Probably not.
Besides that, another woman was named as a person of interest in the killing, a woman
by the name of Chastity.
She was actually an exotic dancer.
Chastity had actually confessed to Mallory's murder in an argument with her boyfriend,
and Mallory was one of her frequent clients.
However it was determined that Chastity said this as a means to threaten the boyfriend
and didn't have any substantial evidence leaking her to the crime scene at all.
I hate when people do that shit.
Just shut up.
Why are you trying to take credit for something like that?
You really want that to be what someone thinks of you?
You did that?
Oh yeah.
I'm such a murderer.
And you're fucking next.
That's terrible.
And then I bet he was like, oh, I still want to be with you now.
So yes, clearly Lee and Ty had had this Cadillac.
Mallory went missing, quote unquote, but nobody knew he was missing until his Cadillac was
found.
And they found that very unusual.
But then after that the case went cold once they interviewed Chastity and she wasn't linked.
David Andrew Spears was a 47-year-old construction worker whose truck was found along Highway
75 in May of 1990.
He was declared missing shortly after his truck was found.
Spears' body was found in a remote area in the woods in Citrus County by a surveyor
on June 1st.
He was nude and he was shot with a.22 revolver six times.
Dang.
Initially, the surveyor who found Spears was under suspicion as the man was previously
known to have a bit of a temper and he was also known to tote a gun at all times.
Once the body was identified as David Spears, however, the man was cleared.
I guess just there was no other connection.
People describe Spears as an honest, hard-working man who rarely had problems with anyone.
He was even taking care of his ex-wife financially.
So it shows that he's kind of a good guy.
He's not a rapist like Mallory.
Charles Edmund Karsgaden was a rodeo worker and a part-time truck driver.
He was 40 years old and would become a victim of Livernos.
His time of death was determined to be somewhere around the end of May 1990.
His nude body was found June 6th in the neighboring county of Pasco County, but along Highway 75
as well.
He was so badly decomposed he couldn't be identified right away.
Karsgaden was shot nine times with a.22 revolver.
The detective on the case had heard of a similar MO in Citrus County of a nude man being shot
multiple times and thought it was not likely the first time that the crime scene that he
was at that this perpetrator hadn't killed before.
His again nude body and then you know what I mean?
Yeah.
So it's definitely the same MO if she had one.
So he decided to notify surrounding counties of this investigation that he had.
Li at this point had been driving Karsgaden's car and she actually pawned a pistol that
was usually tucked in between the seats.
Dumbass.
Right.
Okay so really quick.
The first murder was the self-defense one and then she like hid his body in that rug
or whatever.
And then it kind of seems like the second and now third murder weren't self-defense
and she kind of realized the first time that hmm kind of didn't like hate that you know
but you did mention that the first gentleman that was found was not a rapist so I'm interested
to see.
Yeah Steven Spears yeah by all accounts he was a good dude and even to take care of his
ex-wife financially.
Yeah.
And then he was kind of alimony but like just between them the two of them.
So yeah everybody thought that Spears was a really great guy and then this Karsgaden
guy haven't really I mean from what I can tell didn't have a criminal record just but
was found nude shot multiple times.
Not only that but in the Mallory case he was shot three times.
Spears was shot six times.
Yeah.
And Karsgaden was shot nine times.
It's getting like.
With a revolver you have to reload.
Yeah.
That's true.
That's kind of gross.
Give me heaps.
Peter Abrams Symes was a retired merchant seaman at age 65.
In June of 1990 he decided to take a trip to Arkansas from his hometown of Juniper Springs
Florida to go visit some relatives.
It's like a 932 mile drive or something like that.
I know that because I looked that up.
Give or take.
Just give or take.
Approximately.
On July 4th in a quiet neighborhood a resident was enjoying the evening air on her porch.
All of a sudden a car comes screeching down the street losing control and smashes into
like this set of bushes.
Two women exit the car and they're yelling at each other.
They start ditching beer cans on the side of the road and at one point the brunette
became very stoic and quiet.
The bright blonde however continued to yell.
The blonde noticed the woman sitting on her porch and becoming increasingly invested in
the scenario.
The blonde started yelling out, oh there's no problem.
Everything's fine.
My dad lives right down the street.
We'll be fine.
We just went right down the car and now discarding litter in front of your house.
No need.
It's cool.
Yeah.
Just no need.
So the two women got in the car but not before the neighbor could call for help.
And at this point she just thought it was a car accident.
She didn't call the police.
She just called first responders.
On the street from this incident the car itself began to struggle and eventually came to a
stop because it was so badly damaged.
The fire department responded to the scene and saw two women walking away from the destroyed
vehicle.
When confronted by the first responders the blonde woman began to lash out and became
incredibly irate at the notion that they were the women that the first responders
were looking for.
Police were called to the accident as the woman escaped the scene.
Police arrived at the scene, ran the plates and the car turned out to belong to Peter
Symes.
Inside the car police would find two crucial pieces of evidence.
One was blood smears all throughout the car and one was a palm print that belonged to
Eileen Warnows.
A palm print.
So earlier- That's like a big piece of evidence to miss when you're like trying to- I guess
she wasn't trying to clean if she was just trying to get the shit out of there.
But they knew it was Eileen's because when she pawned that other dude's gun they take
hand prints.
Yeah.
And not only that but she's been throughout the system.
As an information was put out to all officers in the area to try to locate the two women,
including Lee.
Unfortunately, Symes' body would never be found.
They only found his car and they just assumed that he needed it.
So who was the other woman?
Her wife, perhaps?
Ty, now realizing that they were wanted by police, decided to flee to her sister's
place in Pennsylvania.
Lee would go on to murder three more men within the next few months.
Roy Eugene Burzes, who was 50 years old, was on a delivery route when he went missing before
delivering his last few packages of the day.
So it's like, yeah.
When he didn't return home after work, his wife reported him missing.
The delivery truck that he used that day was actually found the following morning, 20 miles
away from his last known location.
He would be found five days later and Marion County nude and shot twice.
Oh my god.
So here's the thing, if every single one of these men were in a situation where they
were picking up a prostitute, why would he do that mid-delivery?
Yeah, exactly.
No, it seems like she originally had this first kill where it was self-defense and then
she graduated to, okay, this is easy.
I can get these guys alone and vulnerable and make it.
Then I can do this.
And now they're like-
And have a transportation.
Well, now it's like, oh shit, I don't have to be a prostitute or sell my body to get
these men, I can just do it, you know, whatever.
It kind of seems like it's graduating.
Lee's next victim was 56-year-old Dick Humphries.
He was busy celebrating his 35th wedding anniversary on the 10th of September.
However, by the next day, he was reported missing.
The retired Air Force Major and former chief of police was found on the 12th of September,
fully dressed but shot seven times in the chest and the head.
He too was found in Marion County.
Former chief of police.
Now, she really fucked up on that one.
Yeah.
Because these guys are never going to sleep until they figure out who the fuck did that.
Nope.
So keep in mind they're looking for her.
They know who she is.
Oh, they know- it's her the whole time.
They know they're looking for her.
Well, at least for that one murder.
Or at least wanted as a person of interest, maybe not for the murder.
Ballsy.
They at least want to interview her and say, why did you have this man who's missing his
car?
They don't know he's actually dead because they've never found him.
That's true.
Ah.
Walter Antonio was 62 at the time of his murder.
He was a trucker and security guard.
Antonio was found halfway clothed on November 19th, 1990.
He was shot four times.
He had been murdered some time within the last 24 hours of being found.
So they knew she was in the area.
They're catching up to her.
Catching up to you, girl.
And remember, Lee is on her own at this point.
Ty is not there.
Ty is in Pennsylvania.
On January 9th, 1991, Lee Warnows was found at a biker bar and brought in on a warrant
from a previous failure to a pure case.
While in a holding cell, police tried to locate Ty in Pennsylvania.
Ty agreed to come back to Florida in an attempt to cooperate and strike a deal with police.
Detectives agreed to supply Ty with food and alcohol while being posted up in a hotel
with the intention of coaxing a confession from Lee while she was in jail.
So this is the 9th, right?
She was arrested on the 9th.
This is with the increment that Ty would serve no time whatsoever for any involvement that
she had.
At first, Lee was really suspicious of the conversations being recorded.
Ty even said that she was coming into town to pick up some stuff that she had left behind.
Like months later?
Yeah.
Yeah, that's not all.
She was just trying to come pick up some stuff.
Yeah, this is like six months later.
I was just in the neighborhood even though I live across the country.
She had to come up with something because she knew she was in Florida.
Yeah.
So again, Lee was super suspicious of why Ty was even calling her.
She tried to speak in code to not allude police to her being a perpetrator of the murders,
Lee would.
And it's weird stuff.
It's like, oh, go get the ink pen of the dubibit.
And Ty's like, I don't know what you're talking about.
And Ty knew that she was being recorded, that they were being recorded.
And so she knew she couldn't be held responsible for any of the crimes anyways.
So Ty became very bold with her speech after a while.
And after a few days of seeing no extra charges brought upon the two of them, Lee started to
get comfortable.
Well, yeah.
And also Ty can pretty much say whatever she wants and makes Eileen comfortable like,
oh, you're incriminating yourself so obviously we're not being recorded.
Right, exactly.
That's so scary.
Over the course of 11 phone calls, Ty begged Lee to tell the truth about her own involvement
in the crimes and to admit that Ty was completely innocent of all crimes.
And she was saying like, you know, if you don't confess to all of this, they're talking
about putting me away and all this, there's been being your accomplice.
Yeah.
Like I need you to confess that you did all of this, essentially guilting her.
Lee was quoted and saying, quote, you're innocent.
I'm not gonna let you go to jail if I have to confess for everything I will.
So on January 16th, 1991, Eileen Warnows confessed to all of the murders that she had committed.
Oh my gosh.
So this is just what seven days a week later.
Yeah.
She claimed that it was all self-defense from the moment that she started to admit it.
On January 27th, 1992, so this is a year later, Eileen Warnows was convicted of murder in
the case of Charles Mallory.
I didn't go into the trial stuff.
It's pretty cut and dry.
Yeah.
She admitted.
Yeah.
The judge denied her defense attempt to admit Mallory's criminal record into evidence, however,
and also denied this on grounds for a retrial.
So they didn't admit the fact that he was a rabist and that he had served time for it.
It was not admitted into evidence.
Which means that her conviction or her charge is going to just be that much more because
it wasn't self-defense.
Right.
Exactly.
So they're trying to claim self-defense just based on that one night, that one action,
not his previous record of this being a problem for him.
And so because of that, she tried to take it to a retrial and said, I want a retrial
with this evidence submitted and they denied her.
Damn.
Straight up.
But I mean, at the same time though, she confessed to multiple murders after that in cold blood,
so they're probably just like, fuck you.
Like, sorry.
Like, even if-
Well, she was saying all of them were self-defense at this point.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying though.
They're like, okay, even if that one was truly self-defense, like you still did this and
that and the other like multiple times afterwards.
Which I don't know.
I think, well, she is charged later for other ones.
So I think this is just the Mallory case.
So I don't think, I mean, I don't, yeah.
So once these requests were denied, Eileen was really discouraged and she would eventually
plead no contest to the murders of Dick Humphrey's, Troy Burgess and David Spears.
What is no contest?
That means I'm not gonna admit to it, but I'm also not gonna fight it.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So it's kind of like in between-
Like in different-
Guilty or no guilty or no guilty.
Guilty or no guilty.
So she did admit on the stand, however, that Mallory had raped her violently, but that
these three men had not, although they quote, began to.
So she was saying, well, they didn't technically, but they were starting to.
So I just killed them before they could do it.
Before they could do it.
Which if you-
It's a gray area.
Well, I just, it's so hard for me to think about that because if she's traumatized from
that event, any sign or detail or even paranoia she might have could manifest that way.
You know, I mean, clearly these men were naked.
Yeah, but at the same time, like if these men weren't violent, like it seems like they
weren't, she could have probably just left as well.
Left.
You know what I mean?
Rather than just killing them.
Wernos would go on to plead guilty in both the Charles Kars-Caddon and Walt Antonio
cases.
Wernos would receive six death sentences for her crimes.
Oh my gosh.
Throughout her incarceration, Wernos inconsistently described the events of all of the crimes.
So she would tell, I know there's like this one TV interview she was giving and she was
very passionate about how these men were just awful men and all that sort of stuff.
And then the cameras were turned off and she said, but you know, it was also like, they
also weren't like that bad.
You know, I know there's one interview that I haven't really seen a lot about her.
I haven't really watched any documentaries, but I know that there's one where like, isn't
she like really cold in one point?
And they're like, why'd you kill him?
And she's like, oh, because he was fucking asshole.
Like I just, I did it.
Like I just learned him.
I learned him over to my apartment.
I just fucking killed him.
What do you want from me?
Like she's like super just like matter of fact about it.
Like, but I think that's also a defense mechanism, you know, like of hers is to not feel like
empathy for people.
Yeah, that's true.
Lee was evaluated while in prison.
The psychological test PCLR is used to determine the psychopathy of individuals.
There are interview portions and personality evaluations within it.
The United States recognizes a ceiling of 30 points in order to be considered sociopathic
and Lee had scored a 32.
Oh no.
But like, it seems like a shitload of nurture though.
Like I feel like people that are considered quote unquote, psychopathic or sociopathic,
that's a lot of nature.
This seems like a real, I mean, I'm not saying it's not also nature, but like with her upbringing
and like everything that she was put through.
It seems like a lot of nurture.
She was quoted in saying, quote, I killed those men, robbed them cold as ice and I do
it again too.
There's no chance in keeping me alive or anything because I'd just kill again.
I have hate crawling through my system.
I'm so sick of hearing this quote, she's crazy stuff.
I've been evaluated so many times, I am competent, sane, and I'm trying to tell the truth.
I am the one who seriously hates human life and I would kill again.
End quote.
I mean, at least she's honest out of everything she's honest.
True.
She knows.
I mean, other killers like that too, like I can't think of any off the top of my head,
but there's been some killers like, okay, perfect example, the Weepy Voice Killer, do
you know about that guy?
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't know why I get so killing people, I just don't know why.
Okay, that was a disgustingly like accurate representation.
I've seen a lot of stuff about that.
He, for example, was one of those people similar to that is like, I'm just going to keep doing
it like you need to help me.
It's a compulsion.
Yeah.
Like I'm not going to stop unless I'm dead is pretty much what she's saying.
And I feel like we've heard that from other people that are sociopathic or psychopathic.
Eileen Moreno would actually begin to beg to die the last few years that she was on Death
Row.
She wanted to die so bad.
She was, she would go on hunger strikes and she would talk about the crimes in detail more
and more only adding to that, that concept of her just being this monster.
In order to continue to fight for the right to die earlier, she would be on death row
for 10 years.
I'm sorry, someone on death row is asking to die.
I'm not trying to be rude, but like why wouldn't you just expedite the process?
Bump me up, dude.
You're doing it anyway.
Yeah.
It's, she seriously, she actually hired a lawyer, if I'm correct, she hired a lawyer
to try to fast track essentially her execution because she was tired of being there.
So I know that's not easy to do this in prison, but she had six previous suicide attempts.
Does she have any suicide attempts in prison?
Except for the hunger?
She tried to starve herself and not only that, but she was also getting very paranoid at
this point.
I mean, she became a meek person essentially.
Not meek mentally.
Mentally, she was, I mean, physically.
But she was convinced that people were slowly trying to kill her.
They were like, why, why isn't this death penalty thing going through?
Like, you know, she just, like I said, she just wanted to fucking check out.
And she was thinking that she was being harassed.
She didn't think this, but she was being harassed by security or correctional officers, corrections
officers.
She thought that people were poisoning her food, like all this stuff.
Like she, she literally thought that she was meant to suffer the last years of her life.
That's what she'd get when you're on death row.
I'm not saying that, but she kills six people, you know, that's.
Oh yeah.
But so yeah, she, she definitely thought that there was some bigger thing that was going
on besides her just sitting on death row.
And in reality, it's just like a fucking flaw in the system.
Just like, they're like, oh yeah, there's just like a, there's an order of, you know,
inmates that we have to follow and you're just not on the top of the list yet.
Yeah, exactly.
They're, you know, that's awful.
Yeah.
Super sad.
Eileen Warnos woke up the morning of October 9th, 2002, and in place of having a last meal,
she only requested a cup of coffee.
Her last words were, quote, yes, I would just like to say, I'm sailing with the rock.
I'll be back.
Just like Independence Day with Jesus.
June 6th, like the movie, big mother ship and all, I'll be back.
I'll be back.
End quote.
She was pronounced dead at 947 AM and it was by lethal injection.
Damn.
Yeah.
That's wild.
For some reason, I thought she was alive.
I don't know why.
I don't, man.
So here's the thing, right?
So Warnos has actually been talked about being one of the most famous serial killers of all
time.
In the last three to four years, she has actually been labeled as a cult hero and feminist icon.
It is a story about how the system could fail such a young person and untreated trauma
that this woman experienced was so great.
It's no wonder that she gained such a trigger response to abuse throughout her life.
An interesting article, if you all ever want to read anything about this, I didn't get
a really good chance to read it, but I skimmed through it.
It's an article called How Misogyny Drives the Marginalized to Kill, which sounded really
heavy.
And I was like, oh, shit.
Damn.
Yeah.
So that's Lee Warnos.
I just think that, again, I'll say it again, like the nurture thing has so much to do with
it, with all of the shit that she was put through, not that she had to go through, that
she was put through as a child by her piece of shit, especially grandfather and his stupid
ass friends.
I don't think that any of those men, maybe with exception to the first one, deserved
what they got.
But I definitely am not excusing her actions when it comes to that.
But it's just like, what the fuck do you do?
What would you do?
What would you do if you were in that situation?
And then you had that clearly she's mentally ill as well.
So put that on top of everything else.
So in the Mallory case, the other side of the pancake, if you will, is the fact that
he had served his time.
And I didn't specifically look up what he did, but it had been over 10 years since he
had been released from prison and not a single other offense.
And I'm not saying that doesn't make him a rapist.
I'm just saying that's the other side of the pancake.
And that's what the prosecution talked about.
Devil's advocate.
They were saying, well, you say it's because he was this way, but what about this?
Did you know?
Oh, dang.
Yeah.
So it's like they fought to defend a dead rapist.
A dead rapist.
I mean, really.
I don't know, man.
It's just that's a wild story.
I had no idea that she was with Ty for as long as she was.
I didn't know that at all.
I also didn't know about the first murder that she had committed.
I didn't really know most of that story.
So thank you for sharing that.
It's just a terrible, awful child.
It is.
And her brother dying.
That's what I was going to say.
The loss of her brother, I'm sure, is like, and we talked about traumatic events triggering
mental illness.
Yeah.
And that moment with Mallory taking advantage of her just probably put her right back to
when she was a kid.
And then not having the control and then realizing, no, I'm a fucking adult.
I have the control.
And I have a weapon.
And I'm going to use it.
That's wild.
Yeah.
She's definitely been a very talked about killer recently even for many years.
And I'm sorry, when did you say that she died?
2002.
Okay.
So I mean, 20 years ago.
She's a cult classic.
Yeah.
She's the criterion collection.
Wow.
That's wild.
Well, thank you for sharing that.
I was excited to hear that case and anything else you got?
No, that's it.
I just want to say one thing really quick.
It has nothing to do with today's case or anything like that.
But I just recently became friends with a girl that just moved here from Pennsylvania.
And I was asking her how far Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania was from where she lived.
And she goes, Oh, Wilkes Berry.
And I was like, Oh, shit.
I've been pronouncing that wrong.
It's because it's spelled B a R R E like a ballet bar.
And so I was saying bars.
She's like, that's pronounced Wilkes Berry.
And I was like, Oh my God.
Because I know that one of the cases that we've done in the past, whoever it was was
born there.
Okay.
So I think it was George Banks, I think was born there.
Anyway, I think we're going to skip the mental breakdown and we're going to go straight
into the next case.
We're doing cases.
I think we should just keep doing cases for a while.
I think that's what we needed to do to get the ball rolling and get some more listeners.
I agree.
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