1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,000 Hello! 2 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Hello! 3 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,760 Welcome back to diagnosing a killer, the mental breakdown. 4 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:06,760 I'm Koelle. 5 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:07,760 And I'm Kenna. 6 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:08,760 Did I already say that? 7 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:09,760 No, oh just. 8 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,760 I think that you were anticipating me to say it with you and then you looked at me and 9 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:14,760 that was quiet. 10 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:20,000 I started and then I zoned out at the same time so it was like, it happens. 11 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,000 Hey guys, it's me, Koa. 12 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,000 It's Koa. 13 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:23,000 I'm like, I'm- Koa! 14 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Oh god, that was loud. 15 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,000 Sorry. 16 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Sorry. 17 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,000 Koa. 18 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:54,320 I went out last night and we- I signed it for karaoke and you know, I had been drinking 19 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,400 like a little bit but I wasn't like anywhere crazy and I go up there and I was super nervous 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,000 because we had a new bar, like I hadn't been there yet and I didn't know anybody in the 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,960 room and I got off the stage and I was like, I just blacked out for like a entire- 22 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:07,960 I just straight blacked out. 23 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:08,960 I just straight up blacked out. 24 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:09,960 It's fine though. 25 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:11,960 Anyway, welcome g- wow. 26 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:13,460 Already messing up. 27 00:01:13,460 --> 00:01:14,460 I don't know. 28 00:01:14,460 --> 00:01:15,960 Anyway, welcome back to the mental breakdown. 29 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:16,960 Welcome back. 30 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:18,960 I feel like, I don't even want to say we haven't- 31 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:20,960 It's very pissing me if you're gonna be- 32 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:22,840 It's very pissing me now. 33 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,600 I'm unapologetic at this point. 34 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,200 People are listening to this in three years. 35 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,720 They're gonna be like, I didn't even notice. 36 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:28,720 Didn't even notice. 37 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:29,720 Yeah. 38 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:30,720 It's just one right after the other. 39 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:31,800 Yeah, exactly. 40 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:32,800 It's fine. 41 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,680 Well, we're gonna start this mental breakdown out by reading an email. 42 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:38,680 Yeah, email. 43 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,760 We got an email from one of our listeners. 44 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,680 This email, subject is that mental breakdown. 45 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:47,880 Ooh, that one. 46 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:48,880 That one. 47 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:49,880 Yeah, I don't know which one it is. 48 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:50,880 We're gonna see. 49 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,320 So this email says, hey, so here's my input on the last mental breakdown where you talked 50 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,000 about the deadliest drugs in America. 51 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,400 Ooh, that was mine. 52 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,200 I myself have recently begun to become aware of the long-term effects that my drug used 53 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,680 after hearing you talk about the effects of cocaine on the nervous system. 54 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,680 It's kind of shocking and very humbling to come face to face with the fact that I may 55 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,360 have triggered a type of mental illness by using drugs. 56 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,160 I would like to thank you for bringing that piece of information to light, but more importantly, 57 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,840 I want to make a comment about heroin users. 58 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:18,840 Mmm. 59 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,280 It pains me whenever I see someone going through an addiction to heroin and I celebrate when 60 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,440 I know that someone has kicked the habit. 61 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,880 There's one thing that you mentioned that strikes me as interesting though, and that 62 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,040 is that even a person who has been clean for months or years may still suffer the same 63 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,400 physical effects of heroin use despite not having done that drug in that time. 64 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,240 What's chilling to me is that the support system a former user has built in the time 65 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,200 might see the signs of use again and think that the user has fallen off the wagon when 66 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:44,200 they really haven't. 67 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:45,200 Hmm. 68 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,320 And then their mistrust might be a trigger for the user to begin their habit again. 69 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,040 I think it's important for people to realize that these symptoms of use are lifelong and 70 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,680 when people start exhibiting them, that's when they need help more than ever, especially 71 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,800 if they haven't been using because at that point in time it's all the same in their mind, 72 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,600 especially if the people who need them to believe in them stop supporting them. 73 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,160 I love all that you guys do keep up the amazing work. 74 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,160 Oh, that was nice. 75 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,680 That was a nice email, but that is a really good point. 76 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,760 It's unfortunate that, and I learned a lot researching for that mental breakdown and even 77 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,080 you know talking to you about it while I was presenting it. 78 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:22,520 And it's crazy how like you can literally have symptoms of drug use or long lasting 79 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,800 mental health effects even when you're not using it at all. 80 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,760 Like a year after the fact you're exhibiting withdrawal symptoms and stuff. 81 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:30,760 It's wild. 82 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:31,760 I mean that's scary. 83 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,400 It really makes you not want to do drugs. 84 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:39,760 And that is an interesting thing that this person pointed out was that the support system 85 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,960 that they've built around them, they might accuse them of using again. 86 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,680 You know, say you've reconnected with friends and family and stuff and then they think that 87 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,160 you're using again when you're not. 88 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,640 Yeah, it's just still those lingering symptoms. 89 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,640 Well, thanks for that nice email. 90 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:54,880 I love getting emails from people. 91 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,560 It's just so much fun reading and knowing that we're making an impact on people, especially 92 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,520 with the mental breakdowns because I know that true crime is super interesting. 93 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,240 Everyone really wants to listen to it. 94 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,560 And I was almost under the impression that like our mental breakdowns weren't as listened 95 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,080 to as the regular cases, which it's not the case. 96 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,480 They actually are both listened to just about the same, which is great. 97 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,480 So I'm glad that we can teach people something. 98 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,280 And then of course we learned something in the process as well. 99 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:25,200 Other than that, I think the only thing else that's new is that we have a TikTok account. 100 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,720 It took us a long time to get it started and we're still kind of like working the inner 101 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:29,720 and outs of it. 102 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,720 I don't really know how to use TikTok to do anything other than watch TikTok. 103 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,040 But hopefully we'll start to get some cool videos. 104 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,120 What did you say they were called, like the reels or the not the reels, but the thing 105 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,600 that Tim was telling you about, like the shutter shock, like images or whatever, you 106 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:45,600 can kind of put them on. 107 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:46,600 Yeah. 108 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,840 So there's actually an old high school friend of mine. 109 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:53,080 He actually, that's what he does as a profession. 110 00:04:53,080 --> 00:05:00,240 He goes to places like Florida and does stock footage of like in the sea and like stuff 111 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,240 like that. 112 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,920 And then he sells those stock footages to like documentaries and stuff. 113 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:11,480 So like, you know, when someone's in California because they'll like do this aerial view of 114 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:17,360 Hollywood signage, people do that for a living and then they just sell it to TV shows or 115 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:18,360 whatever. 116 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:19,360 I mean, that makes so much sense. 117 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,360 I feel like I always wonder like, where do they get these clips from? 118 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,720 That's so fitting that they just coincidentally had this clip. 119 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:25,720 That's funny. 120 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:26,720 Isn't that funny? 121 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:27,800 So it's, yeah, they do that for a living. 122 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,280 So I had a old high school buddy of mine that that's what he did. 123 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:33,120 Anyways, there's free websites for that. 124 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,120 Okay, cool. 125 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:35,120 So we can start making. 126 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:36,120 Yeah. 127 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,080 Yeah, my editing is not pristine. 128 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,880 We need to start, you know, finding someone. 129 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,800 Maybe we can pay someone to help us. 130 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:42,800 Maybe, yeah. 131 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,520 Anyway, I'm excited to hear what we're going to talk about today. 132 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:51,560 So today we are going to be talking about the bystander effect. 133 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:57,840 So this is usually something that you'll learn in a psychology class for the most part. 134 00:05:57,840 --> 00:05:59,880 So what is the bystander effect? 135 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:00,880 Let's define it. 136 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:07,200 The bystander effect is defined as a psychological theory that states that the more people that 137 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:13,080 are around, the less likely an individual is to offer help to like a victim of a crime. 138 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:14,080 Yes. 139 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,080 Essentially. 140 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:21,200 So one of the most accredited cases to this theory is actually the case of Kitty Genovese. 141 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,240 I don't know if you've heard of, no? 142 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:24,680 I don't think so. 143 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:25,680 Kitty Genovese. 144 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,680 So what most people understand about the case of Kitty Genovese, that's hard to say. 145 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:36,560 Is that she was actually murdered in front of 38 individuals who did nothing about the 146 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,920 crime as it unfolded for over 30 minutes. 147 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:39,920 I have heard about this. 148 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:40,920 I just didn't realize. 149 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:41,920 I recognized the name. 150 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,040 So maybe you've heard of it. 151 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:44,040 Maybe you haven't. 152 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,280 So the story goes as such. 153 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:47,040 Kitty Genovese was raised in Brooklyn. 154 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,760 She was the eldest of five kiddos and she actually worked in a bar. 155 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,320 She was a bartender in Queens. 156 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,840 And this is in 1964. 157 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:03,920 Kitty had finished closing up the bar around 2.30 in the morning on March 13th of that 158 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,080 same year, 1964. 159 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,360 She headed to her car to make her trip home and while she was on her way home, she stopped 160 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,320 at a red light. 161 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:19,320 And she was actually spotted by Winston Mosley and he was actually waiting in his car specifically 162 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,240 to find a victim. 163 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:22,240 Which is... 164 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,240 Yeah, that's cool. 165 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,320 So he waited in this parking lot for a while and just across from this parking lot is where 166 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,280 Kitty had stopped her car at the red light. 167 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:30,640 So he followed her. 168 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,200 He followed her home. 169 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:40,000 So when she parked her vehicle in her apartment complex, it's just like a parking lot. 170 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,000 It's not like a parking garage. 171 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,760 So when Kitty came out of her car, she started walking up to the front of her apartment complex 172 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:53,760 building and Mosley came from behind her and he started running towards her and he was 173 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:54,760 brandishing a knife. 174 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:55,760 Okay, that's terrifying. 175 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:56,760 Running? 176 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:57,760 Yeah. 177 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,240 So she heard someone running behind her. 178 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,840 She turned around, saw what he was holding and she started just running. 179 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,760 I just got the sudden urge to turn around and see anyone behind me. 180 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,480 No, you can see directly behind me. 181 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,760 So she began to scream, of course, like calling for help and she said something like, please 182 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:18,000 help me or I'm being stabbed, something like that. 183 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,400 Neighbors would later report that they had heard screaming and saw two individuals in 184 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:27,440 a tussle that they heard them screaming and yelling at each other, but they thought it 185 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:28,840 was a lover's quarrel. 186 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,400 So they didn't do anything about it. 187 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:35,160 They didn't see blood or anything coming from them. 188 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,560 One neighbor apparently did attempt to say something like, hey, leave that girl alone 189 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:40,240 from his apartment building window. 190 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:45,320 Oh, so like the eighth floor up, he's like, hey, what you doing down there? 191 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,440 Don't do that. 192 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:48,920 I see you. 193 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,760 Like what are you going to do? 194 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,440 So mostly when hearing the man scream, however, or yell, he actually ran back towards his 195 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:56,680 car. 196 00:08:56,680 --> 00:09:01,440 Kitty had been stabbed twice, but pretty severely and in the back. 197 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,000 She tried to make her way around the rear of the apartment in an effort to hide from 198 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,000 the attacker. 199 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Oh my God. 200 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,000 Well, in the rear of the attack, in the rear of the attacker. 201 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:15,920 Oh no, it's not that kind of show. 202 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,560 In the rear of the building, there was pretty much like an enclosed stairway. 203 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:24,400 So there was like a door that you'd get to upstairs, like to where the stairs are. 204 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:25,800 So she was just in that area. 205 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,240 Oh, I feel like that would be scarier. 206 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,480 Like you're now you're trapped. 207 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,840 And like, yeah, she was just in that area. 208 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,800 Not like victim blaming or anything, but that's, I feel like if that's your only option, that's 209 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:36,800 scary. 210 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:37,800 Right. 211 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,560 So apparently at this point, one neighbor did attempt to call the police and stated 212 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:45,200 that a potentially drunk woman was staggering around and yelling. 213 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,960 Oh, now she's in the area and it's her fault. 214 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,360 She made it to the inside of the doorway. 215 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,680 Unfortunately, Mosley wasn't done. 216 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:59,520 He hopped in his car and he tried to locate her and eventually would find her in the rear 217 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,920 of the apartment building. 218 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,320 And then he began to repeatedly stop her and then he also sexually assaulted her. 219 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,240 Oh my God. 220 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:13,400 So he had then dug through her pockets and he received the $50 that Kitty had made that 221 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:14,400 night. 222 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:15,400 Oh my God. 223 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,120 And left all of that for $50. 224 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:22,280 The crime took a total of over 30 minutes from beginning to end and it actually took 225 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,240 an ambulance an hour to arrive on the scene. 226 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,240 What? 227 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:27,240 So. 228 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,440 Oh, because she thought she was just a drug idiot. 229 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:30,440 So here's the story. 230 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:31,440 Oh my God. 231 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:38,640 So this is the story as it pertains to the bystander effect and what this is the biggest 232 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:44,280 example that people use when they talk about this case, right? 233 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,920 In that time, a neighbor had actually found Kitty and stayed with her until the ambulance 234 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,280 arrived. 235 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,360 So the media picked up this story and just two weeks later after the story had gained 236 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:58,640 attraction, a headline in the New York Times would say 37, which was actually a misprint. 237 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,560 This was to be 38. 238 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:04,120 38 who saw a murder did not call police. 239 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,320 During interviews, the Times also quoted a neighbor by saying that they quote didn't 240 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:08,320 want to get involved. 241 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,680 This is of course shocked and appalled people that so many could see something like this 242 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:14,240 and not do something about it. 243 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,560 There were other exaggerations and variations of the detail about this crime, including 244 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:24,440 that people said that they had heard that a neighbor actually turned up their radio 245 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,240 to drown out her screams. 246 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:27,240 What? 247 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,640 So this was published in the media. 248 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,040 Oh my God. 249 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,560 So apparently another quote was that everybody had just stood by watching a woman be knifed 250 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:37,560 to death. 251 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:38,560 Oh my God. 252 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:42,960 So it's sort of folk lore had kind of started to surround the case and it even claimed that 253 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,160 the block itself was almost like a death site. 254 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,720 So much so that there was a rumor that another woman had been beaten to death on the very 255 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:54,920 same spot that Kitty had passed away in or that vicinity in front of her apartment and 256 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,200 that no one called the cops or stepped in to help in that case either. 257 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,320 Okay, I get like not wanting to get involved. 258 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:02,320 That's great. 259 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:03,320 You don't want to get involved physically. 260 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,680 You don't have to call the fucking police. 261 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:09,080 You can make an anonymous call to the police and they'll not ever know that you were involved. 262 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,080 Like fucking. 263 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,080 So here we go. 264 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,080 Right. 265 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,880 So this is all the this is all the buildup right. 266 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:19,320 So this is the case that everybody talks about again with the bystander effect. 267 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:20,320 Here's the reality though. 268 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,560 Okay, we have to keep in mind it is 3am. 269 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:23,560 It's 3am. 270 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:24,560 Okay. 271 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:28,600 The crime scene is technically two locations. 272 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,920 So some witnesses who some witnesses who had seen the first part of the attack or whatever 273 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:39,280 they were witnessing didn't really get a good view of what was going on either. 274 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,080 And again, it's 3am, it's probably not a lot of people awake. 275 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,600 Whatever they bits and pieces that they did see they might not know what was going on. 276 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,800 Then the second location is also happening behind a closed door. 277 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,160 You know, and that's like the brunt of the attack was after she had crawled into the 278 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,160 stairwell. 279 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,840 So then nobody pretty much saw that part. 280 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:03,840 I feel like I'd be more likely to like turn my head away if I heard screaming in the middle 281 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:04,840 of the day though. 282 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,640 Screaming in the middle of the night is like definitely scarier. 283 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,840 I feel like that would be more cause for concern. 284 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:10,840 This is also 1964. 285 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:11,840 It's not the 1930s. 286 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,040 It's not the 1930s. 287 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,720 Also at this time, 911 did not exist. 288 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:22,680 So you basically just called a phone number like your local area phone number. 289 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:26,400 Someone would give like you would receive a phone call. 290 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,080 You write down a potential crime that's happening. 291 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:31,160 But there's no priority. 292 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:36,000 It's not like nowadays we call 911 and there's high priority and lower priority calls. 293 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,000 Here is, it is just you get to it when you get to it. 294 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:46,600 So and this is honestly from what I can remember. 295 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:51,440 Part of the reason why they started having things like 911 is cases like this. 296 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,480 So the only report that they actually got was of a drunken woman. 297 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:56,960 That's wild. 298 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:02,160 In any case, psychology has used the Keddie Genovese as an example again when talking 299 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,160 about the bystander effect. 300 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,680 And it is essentially the launching panel discovering more about why so many people 301 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:09,760 would do nothing in specific moments. 302 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:14,480 There's been plenty of other instances where this effect has been present. 303 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,080 And this is a content warning. 304 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,840 We will be talking about a few things that are pretty difficult. 305 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,960 I'm just going to give two other examples essentially. 306 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:28,920 So Jane Doe at Richmond High was actually sexually assaulted by a group of schoolmates. 307 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,080 She would survive the attack. 308 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,760 The attack was over two and a half hours long. 309 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:41,560 And there were about 20 other strangers around who actually watched and recorded without 310 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:42,560 doing anything. 311 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,560 Was it a physical attack or a sexual attack? 312 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:45,920 This is a sexual assault. 313 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:46,920 Oh my God. 314 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,040 Eventually a female classmate would notify the police. 315 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,760 So in another case, a Jane Doe was sexually assaulted on a train in front of tons of passengers 316 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,200 in Philadelphia. 317 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:01,520 Many people pulled out their phones but no one did anything for over 40 minutes. 318 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:06,440 Eventually a train employee who was actually off duty boarded the train during the assault 319 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,080 and they called police. 320 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:14,440 Why does the first thought in people's minds go to let's just record this act of assault 321 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,360 that's happening right in front of me. 322 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:22,600 If it's like a fight and you're in high school, sure, maybe if someone's not getting murdered. 323 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,440 But this person is being sexually assaulted. 324 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:26,440 It's awful. 325 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:27,440 It's awful. 326 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,800 And there's at least four or five other cases that are just on the Wikipedia page. 327 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:31,800 That's so gross. 328 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:32,800 Four by Santa Effect. 329 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:33,960 So why do people do nothing? 330 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:39,240 Psychologists say it's due to the lack of sense of responsibility and more of a sense 331 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,200 of anonymity. 332 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,800 So essentially I ask you to complete a task. 333 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,520 You would feel solely responsible to get that task done. 334 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,680 However, if you're in a group of 15 people or more and you're all working on one task 335 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:59,400 like a puzzle, then you don't feel as responsible to get more done than somebody else. 336 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,320 No, it's always like, well, someone else will call. 337 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:07,960 When you drive by and you see a fire and you're like, oh, I'm not going to report it. 338 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:08,960 It's surely someone else who reported it. 339 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,440 It's exactly that mindset. 340 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,240 So another interesting thought is the thought that most people also might not intervene 341 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:21,040 out of fear, not only for fear for their own self, but also taking inventory of those 342 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,680 around them. 343 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:28,200 They might not think that they're as capable as someone else. 344 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:35,480 So say you see someone being assaulted or harmed in some type of way. 345 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,960 You also take inventory and stock of the people around you and you're like, oh, well, I'm 346 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:40,960 young. 347 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:41,960 I'm whatever. 348 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,120 My mind would be as strong as someone else here. 349 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,440 And so it's not only just fear of your own autonomy. 350 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:49,560 I'm not autonomy. 351 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:50,880 But yeah, autonomy. 352 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:51,880 Your capabilities. 353 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:52,880 Your capabilities. 354 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:53,880 Yeah. 355 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,880 You don't want to put yourself out there because I would be like, well, I have a child. 356 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,600 I'm not going to put myself in the middle of that and go help someone. 357 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:06,040 However, if it's usually one-on-one, you're the only person that's there. 358 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,040 You have no choice. 359 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,080 You're like, OK, I have to say something. 360 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,760 I have to step up. 361 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,440 So it's really interesting. 362 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:17,520 It's similar to when you take, I don't know if you've taken a CPR course or any time recently 363 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:18,520 or anything. 364 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:24,840 But they do tell you whenever there's a situation and you find yourself needing to perform CPR, 365 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:29,640 the first thing that you should do is you tell someone to call 911, but you don't say, 366 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:30,720 someone call 911. 367 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,520 You point to someone and say, you call 911. 368 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:34,920 You get the defibrillator. 369 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:40,040 You point people out because if you just say it, same exact thing. 370 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:41,360 Like, I got it. 371 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:43,080 Or he can do it or whatever. 372 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,200 Or like, I don't want to take charge. 373 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,040 So you're supposed to delegate those things. 374 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,040 It's interesting for you. 375 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,040 Go call 911. 376 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,760 Yeah, I thought another thing that I was thinking about when I was researching this is not only 377 00:17:54,760 --> 00:18:00,840 is it the fear of being harmed or the fear of not being able to do anything or maybe 378 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:09,040 exacerbating a situation, but also the fear of misunderstanding or misinterpreting what's 379 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:10,840 happening in the moment. 380 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:17,880 If I see a man and a woman that are making out or maybe it might be something that's 381 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:23,560 forceful looking or appearing to me, but if everyone around me is like, oh, it's no big 382 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,680 deal, then am I misinterpreting that? 383 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:27,680 I'm not going to, you know what I mean? 384 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,680 And that's the fear of a social construct at that point. 385 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,640 Because then it's like, socially, I'm fearful that if I say something, I'm going to be the 386 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,120 asshole because I said something. 387 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:38,120 Yeah. 388 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:39,120 You know what I mean? 389 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:41,000 But also it's like, I'd rather overreact than underreact. 390 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,640 Like, instead of be like, oh, I'm sure it's fine. 391 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,280 I'd rather be like, hey, are you okay? 392 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:47,280 Like, are you hurting her? 393 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:48,280 Or is he hurting you? 394 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,280 No, everything's fine. 395 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,720 Like, that's, I'm sorry if we were all, okay, perfect. 396 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,720 You know, you're not being as sultry. 397 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:54,720 Yeah. 398 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:55,720 No, but I do get it. 399 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:56,720 Like, I don't know what. 400 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:57,720 I've definitely drunkenly said stuff like that before. 401 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,480 I'm like, oh, is everything okay here? 402 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,040 And we were like, yeah, why? 403 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,360 And I'm like, well, because he's really rude to you. 404 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:05,360 He's really rude to you. 405 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:06,720 What you said was not cool. 406 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,760 And I'll tell you what, like, it's hard to say something. 407 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,600 It's hard to be in a situation like that and be the one to say something. 408 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:14,600 I have, sorry. 409 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:19,040 I have a real quick, like, kind of related story. 410 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,680 I was working behind the bar at 5'4", a while ago. 411 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,680 And I was like 20. 412 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:25,680 Like, I was young. 413 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,880 So it's not even like kind of like adult that's like super confident and wants to say something 414 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,840 and stand up for you, you know? 415 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,680 And there was this couple sitting at the bar. 416 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,240 Well, I was on what we called the well, which is I was making drinks for the rest of the 417 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,240 dining room. 418 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,800 So I was just frequently making drinks. 419 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:39,800 It was really busy. 420 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,160 But I was also standing in the same spot for a long period of time. 421 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,880 And there was this couple and I couldn't, there's a lot of going on. 422 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,400 There's a lot of people I couldn't exactly tell at first. 423 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,360 But the guy was, they were older, probably in their 50s. 424 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:57,760 The guy was talking to her, like, verbally abusing her. 425 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,320 And all she had was a glass of water. 426 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,440 And he had like, he was on like a fifth beer. 427 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,160 He has like a whole plate of food in front of him. 428 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,680 And all she had was a glass of water. 429 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:06,680 Oh my god. 430 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,760 And he is like just ridiculing her. 431 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,080 Just like talking, like telling her that she's a piece of shit and blah, blah, blah, like 432 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,280 really bad. 433 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,880 But at first I didn't know exactly what I was hearing. 434 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,680 Like, are they joking? 435 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,000 Or is he on the phone? 436 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,000 So, yeah. 437 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,400 So I give it a second and I made sure I was right before I said something and I was so 438 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,440 nervous. 439 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,880 And I look over and she's fucking crying. 440 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,240 And I was like, I have to say something. 441 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,600 And so I, I'm sorry, sir. 442 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:36,600 I'm sorry. 443 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,000 Can you please not speak to her that way? 444 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,800 And you're making me very uncomfortable and she's clearly very upset. 445 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,320 And he goes, like he was like baffled that someone said something to him. 446 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,320 Oh no, someone said something to him. 447 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,200 And then finally, the first time in his life. 448 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,560 On either side of them, there's a couple. 449 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,680 I'm working with like three other bartenders. 450 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,360 Like I'm not the only one that heard that. 451 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:56,400 And he, yeah, first time someone stood up to him ever. 452 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,520 And especially, oh my god, a woman standing up to you, like, for, you know, god forbid, 453 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,520 right? 454 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,360 And he goes, this is none of your business. 455 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:06,480 And I was like, oh no, you're making it my business because you're being very loud and 456 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,400 you're upsetting her and you're sitting at my bar. 457 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,920 Yeah, you are making it my business. 458 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:10,920 So you are making it my business. 459 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,880 He goes, give me the check. 460 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,880 And I was like, I'm sorry. 461 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,320 And he goes, I said, give me the check. 462 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:18,320 You're gonna have to speak like this. 463 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,120 I don't even think I said I'm sorry actually. 464 00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:21,120 He goes, give me the check. 465 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:22,120 And I didn't say anything. 466 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:23,520 And then he goes, I said, give me a check. 467 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:24,720 And I said, I heard you. 468 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,200 You can hang on one second. 469 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,440 And I continued to make my drinks. 470 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,440 And I sat there. 471 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,520 I felt like such a bad bitch. 472 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,440 I give him his check and I looked at her and I was like, are you okay? 473 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,280 Like, do you need me to call you? 474 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,040 And she's just shut down. 475 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,240 She didn't say anything to me at all. 476 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,240 And I felt so bad. 477 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,400 And I gave him the bill. 478 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,360 He paid it and then slams his money on the table or whatever. 479 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:44,840 And then he gets up and grabs her and they leave. 480 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:45,840 And I was like, oh my God. 481 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,040 It made me feel so bad. 482 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,040 I was like, I really hope that like nothing worse happened. 483 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,760 And I mean, obviously never got a follow up to that. 484 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,280 But it's one of those things. 485 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:59,400 And even in a situation like that, she wasn't being punched in front of me or drugged or 486 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,400 whatever. 487 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:01,760 She was just talking to her in a negative way. 488 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,320 And it was still so hard for me to say something. 489 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,040 Because again, everyone's around you. 490 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,200 If someone else will say something or someone that's older than me might speak up instead 491 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,200 of me having to do it. 492 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,640 But sometimes you're in a situation where you don't know what you're going to do until 493 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:15,640 you're in it. 494 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,240 And I was shaking because I had to go to the back afterwards because I was so freaked 495 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,240 out. 496 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,760 But I don't like confrontation either. 497 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:22,760 Absolutely. 498 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:23,760 Confrontation. 499 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:24,760 Yeah. 500 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:32,640 It is hard to speak up when you, what your moral compass is, might not be somebody else's. 501 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:33,640 Yeah, exactly. 502 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:40,640 Sometimes people don't even realize that man probably didn't even realize what he was doing. 503 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:41,640 Anybody else noticed. 504 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,160 Because he's probably so used to doing it. 505 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,160 Yeah. 506 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,760 No, he had no idea that anyone else was paying attention to him at all. 507 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:52,680 But by you saying that, you know, there might have been a part of him that snapped and was 508 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,160 like, oh, other people are seeing this. 509 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,160 Clearly he was aggressive. 510 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,920 I have to get out of here because I'm embarrassed. 511 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:58,920 Right. 512 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,360 Clearly he was aggressive enough to even give you a tone. 513 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:03,360 Oh no, absolutely. 514 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:06,400 And I mean, again, I really hope that nothing worse came out of it. 515 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,960 What I do hope is that one, she either realized that, oh my God, this is so bad that other 516 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,360 people are noticing or two, he realized, oh my God, this is so bad that other people are 517 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:16,600 noticing like I shouldn't talk to her that way, which it's probably the former. 518 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:17,600 It's not him. 519 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,600 He's a fucking dick. 520 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:20,920 He'll never change. 521 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:21,920 Leave him, girl. 522 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:22,920 Anyway, it's super interesting. 523 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:23,920 Do you have more? 524 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:24,920 No. 525 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:25,920 Oh, okay. 526 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,920 I like cut you off and I was like, oh, maybe she has more. 527 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:31,920 No. 528 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,480 Well, that was, yeah, that's super interesting. 529 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,680 The bystander effect is, again, you're right, it's in like every psychology course. 530 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,120 It's like a big deal, you know? 531 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:40,120 Yeah. 532 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:43,600 And it's statistically proven that you can, you're more likely to get away with murder 533 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,800 in a crowd than you are when you're one on one with, or one on two, or one on three. 534 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,480 Yeah, it's very surprising. 535 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:55,240 On the flip, I did read just a little bit about how the bystander effect, I don't even 536 00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:01,880 know how much longer it's going to be studied because more and more people are getting comfortable 537 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,800 with saying something more often than not now. 538 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:13,760 I think the last statistical experiment that they did, I think it was in 2018 or 2019 somewhere 539 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,920 in there, but they said that more often or not, people will stand up and help others, 540 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:19,920 which is great. 541 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,520 I don't want to pat myself on the back or anything, but I think that has a lot to do 542 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,960 with our generation, especially getting to the ages that they are at now. 543 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,120 Being able to stand up for yourself, I feel like that's a giant theme of the millennials 544 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:35,200 generation is standing up for yourself and talking back and submitting. 545 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,960 So I think that might have something to do with it now that we're all at this age where 546 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,280 we feel comfortable and we don't feel like babies anymore. 547 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,080 We can say something and we do have a voice. 548 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,960 But also at the same time, mind your business Tracy. 549 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,680 I hear you, mind your business Tracy. 550 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:49,680 That's true. 551 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,240 There is some situations that you shouldn't just insert your nose in. 552 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,280 If someone's getting actively fucking assaulted, whether it be physical or sexual, come on 553 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,280 y'all. 554 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,280 Not you guys. 555 00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,280 You guys didn't do anything wrong. 556 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,280 Come on people. 557 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,800 Anyway, that was super interesting. 558 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:03,800 Soops in. 559 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:04,800 Soops in. 560 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,960 So again, super main over here. 561 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,120 I've been re-listening to all of our posts. 562 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:12,600 And I got to the one final. 563 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,600 You're like, Soops cash. 564 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,600 Like, Soops cash. 565 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,600 Yeah, that was so funny. 566 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,600 Soops cash. 567 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,760 Anyway, well you guys check us out on TikTok if you like, wait, see, we have some poorly 568 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,120 edited videos, but they're out there. 569 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:24,120 You can give us a follow. 570 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:25,120 They're out there. 571 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:26,120 Give us a view. 572 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:27,840 We are, I think we're at like 150 views, which is not a lot. 573 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:28,840 Share all this stuff. 574 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,720 That's the most important thing is that if you like it, share it. 575 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:33,720 There you go. 576 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,720 That's, you know, yeah, hook us up. 577 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:36,720 They'll give us, give us more views. 578 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,200 I want to see just as many shares as us. 579 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,200 He likes. 580 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,200 That's what I want. 581 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,200 Exactly. 582 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,680 So that being said, you can follow us on social media anywhere where you listen to podcasts 583 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,760 we are on or actually I think we just got, not just got, but we're on Audible now. 584 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,480 It's still free, but we are there, which is pretty cool. 585 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,120 And then we are on Instagram at diagnosing a killer, Twitter at killer diagnosis. 586 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,520 TikTok is at diagnosing a killer as well. 587 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,440 Our Patreon, if you like what we're doing and you want to support us monetarily, our 588 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,440 Patreon is patreon.com slash diagnosing a killer. 589 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,280 And then our email is diagnosing a killer at gmail.com. 590 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,800 I want to keep being able to read these emails. 591 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:13,800 You know what I actually want? 592 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,560 I want to have so many emails to read that we have to wait till the end of the case to 593 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,200 read them because there'll be too much to do in the beginning. 594 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,200 That's what I want. 595 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,200 I like that. 596 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,200 I want. 597 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,200 We'll be back pretty soon with another case and then just keep going back and forth like 598 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,200 we have been. 599 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,200 Yeah. 600 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,200 We're coming up on a year by the way. 601 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,200 I totally forgot that. 602 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,000 We need a one year anniversary episode. 603 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,280 August 31st is a year for the cast. 604 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,280 So it's coming up. 605 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,280 Yeah. 606 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,280 Alright we'll see you guys later. 607 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:40,280 Love you. 608 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,280 Love you. 609 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,280 Bye. 610 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:59,740 Bye bye.