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Hello! Hello!

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I'm... Kenna

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I'm Koelle.

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Why did I like, forget my name?

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I don't know.

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Welcome back to diagnosing a Killer.

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Kenna Crystal Meth.

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Kenna Crystal Meth.

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That's my new handle.

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Hello everybody! How is it going?

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Welcome back. You don't like this intro?

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It's alright. It's fine. I could deal.

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So we are back today with another case.

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Before we get started, we got an email from someone that we don't know.

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We're not poking at the email.

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We love getting emails from people we don't know.

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Literally, it's amazing.

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I'm not going to put her name in there just because I'm not sure if she's comfortable with it,

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but I will say the inbox subject was Yauzer, which I love already.

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Yauzer.

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That's already amazing.

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The email says, ladies, smiley face, I just finished episode 6.

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I just love, love, and two heart emojis, your podcast.

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Okay, I want to know after several years of listening to interesting murderous podcasts

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and then deleting good podcasts because I can't hear or understand the speakers

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because of annoying music in the background or echoes, etc.

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Why does your podcast sound perfect without my turning all my bass down,

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treble up, and volume to 60?

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And besides all of that, you're funnier than fuck.

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Sorry to your mom, LOL.

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The only complaint is going to be you won't be able to put them out fast enough to keep up with my binge.

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I love your banter.

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I love that you leave in the funny little mistakes you make.

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So way to go from Up the Mountain and Pagosa Springs, Katerat.

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Yay!

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Thank you so much for that lovely email.

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I literally immediately screenshotted it and sent it to Koella Season Gaming

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and I got really excited and I sent it to my mom as she saw.

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I would say the only thing that we do, I think differently than people that I've seen,

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maybe like a video of them recording is that we're in a tiny little closet.

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Yeah, first of all, we're in a closet surrounded by clothing.

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But also we share one microphone.

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A lot of people have their own microphone and they have like a screen in front of it.

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We actually have the Yeti Blue microphone that we just, we have like a little TV tray

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with the computer and the microphone on the tray and then we both sit like

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equal distance from the microphone.

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In little tiny child children, like children sized chairs.

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Like wooden chairs.

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Like I'm eating my knees right now.

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Yeah, my butt bones hurt every time we finish recording.

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No pain, no gain, it's for the audience.

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But yeah, I think that might be the reason we turn our gain like just right in the middle,

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like not too high, not too low.

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We try not to get way too close to the microphone because then it seems like we're shouting.

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We're very critical of how we sound.

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We're very critical.

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Like we even discussed recently in the last few episodes that we felt there's certain

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points where we laugh too hard or talk this loud and it's very, it blows out your speakers.

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Don't be driving listening to us because I'm bougie like that.

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Yeah, I do too.

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I like binge listen to our podcast.

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I like to know.

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And then, you know, I feel like it gives me more awareness too if I feel like I said something

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like, oh, that's a little, then it's like, yeah, I shouldn't do that next time.

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I shouldn't say that next time or I shouldn't, you know, phrase it that way next time or things like that.

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And then like the first thing she said that she had listened to episode six and so I immediately

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went listen to episode six.

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I was like, what did you hear?

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Oh my gosh, she was listening to my voice.

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I didn't even know.

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I feel so conscious.

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But it's like, that's why we do this.

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So thank you so much for the nice email.

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There's also Instagram if you want to hit us.

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Cause I tried to look you up on Instagram and I couldn't find you.

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Don't do that.

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I was trying to see if she was following the diagnosis.

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Oh, I see.

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You know, or the diagnosing insta, but I don't see anybody by that name.

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Anyways, thank you so much for the lovely email.

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We hope to hopefully keep up with your binge.

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We're trying to post an episode a week, whether it be a mental breakdown or a case.

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So hopefully that'll help you get your fix.

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If you will.

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I'm so excited.

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I must know.

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About the case.

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Yes.

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So I've been talking about this case for a little while now.

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I would say one that most of the listeners will probably know, at least the name.

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I personally, I knew the name and I kind of knew the story, but I kind of, uh, I learned a lot when I was doing my research.

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So we're going to get right into it.

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This guy is perhaps the deadliest serial killer of all time.

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Do you have a guess?

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I'm just writing to that H3.

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H3.

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You ever seen that?

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H3.

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When he's like talking to that girl.

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I don't even know.

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It's that woman that's on his podcast with him and every time she finishes it's an N.

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Oh yeah.

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It's the girl that does the voiceover.

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You know you do that, right?

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After a recent.

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No, I don't.

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No, I don't.

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What are you talking about?

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I do.

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She doesn't even realize.

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It's so funny.

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She's funny.

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She's hilarious.

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Did you know that Biden quoted Hamilton?

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And he's like, what?

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She's like, yeah, he quoted Hamilton.

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He did the, you know, we give these truths to be self-evident and all men are created.

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He's like, what?

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He's like, that's from Hamilton.

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He's like, no, it's not.

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No, it is not.

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Hamilton quoted that.

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Anyways, do you have a guess for the person?

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The most deadliest serial killer?

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In America.

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In America.

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In America.

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There's Ted Bundy.

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There's Jeffrey Dahmer.

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You would think.

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Kemper.

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That's a good guess, but no.

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See, I feel like he doesn't get talked about as much as the big guys.

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Kemper.

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This guy, I'm doing it.

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Oh, okay.

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Samuel Little.

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Oh, you even know.

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Oh, Samuel Little.

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He's the, he's the, uh, Green River?

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No, he was.

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No, he was Golden Gate.

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He's, he's gone.

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He got named the infamous Chokin Stroke Killer.

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I'm not fucking calling him that.

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I'm not fucking calling him that.

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That's giving him way too much credit.

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Chokin Stroke.

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Isn't that terrible?

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That is horrible.

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I'm going to call him.

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What year was this?

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The.

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It was the 1930s?

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No, it was like the 70s to 90s.

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Anyways, we're going to get started since, uh, you don't know as much as I thought you

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would about him.

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So excited about this.

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Samuel Little was born as Samuel McDowell on June 7th, 1940, and Reynolds, Georgia to

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parents, Bessie May Little and Paul McDowell.

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I couldn't find the mother's age when Samuel was born, but it did say that Paul was only

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19 when he was born.

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Oh, they were young teenage parents.

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Oh, this was 1940s.

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They might as well be in their thirties.

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Yeah, that's true.

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So there's actually two different stories about his parents that I found.

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Uh, one was stated by himself and the other was stated by like the police or something.

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I don't know.

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But one of the stories which Samuel had said was that his mother was a teenage sex worker

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who lived with her mother and actually abandoned him on the side of the road after Paul, the

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father was out of the picture.

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While other sources said that authorities believed Bessie was actually in jail when she

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gave birth to him.

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Oh, unsure which one is true.

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But either way, Paul McDowell, his father was out of the picture and Samuel was given

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to his grandmother shortly after he was born when his last name was changed to Little.

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Once given to his grandmother, the both of them went to Lorraine, Ohio, where Samuel was

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brought up by both of his grandparents.

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Not much is known about Samuel from early childhood until middle school, but when he

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reached middle school, he actually attended Hawthorne Junior High School.

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And by all accounts, he had many problems with discipline and achievement.

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You know, most of the time I feel like we talk about people that were troubled, you

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know, growing up and especially into adulthood, but their childhood, maybe it was good or

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you know, there's no red flags.

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This was like a shit show from the start.

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Later on, Samuel would recall that during his childhood, like kindergarten, he would

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have sexual fantasies about strangling women.

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And it started when he saw his kindergarten teacher like touch her neck and he was like,

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oh, he like really fixated on the neck.

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On her neck.

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And as a teen, he was noted as collecting true crime magazines that depicted women being

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choked.

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Choking stroke.

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Choking stroke.

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During his time in middle school, he was also caught stealing.

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And at the age of 13, he was sent to a reformatory school for teenage boys.

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This is in 1954.

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It was noted that when arriving at this school, it was written in his notes, like his folder,

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that his mother's whereabouts were quote unknown.

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It was reported that he attended this school for only a year.

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And during this time, he ended up with 47 disciplinary reports.

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In a year.

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That's a school year.

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Not even a full year.

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It's like six months.

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Obviously this meant that he was kicked out of the school.

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And by the age of 16, he actually found himself kind of like drifting around the US hitchhiking,

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whatever, and was quickly arrested for it said one source at burglary, one source said

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be any like breaking entering in Omaha, Nebraska.

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Due to this arrest, he was sent to juvie and was done with school after this.

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He's like, you know, I don't think that's for me.

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Now, from the ages of 16 to 20, Samuel was already getting his track record started with

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his crimes.

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In and out of juvie and jail for various crimes such as theft, DUI, assault, armed robbery

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and rape.

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Just from the get like there is no like slow spot here.

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He just immediately like started getting into crime.

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Well, like you said, sometimes it's, you know, the kid grows up in a household that's

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atypical and but then as soon as they're able to escape, they kind of go to college.

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No, the opposite.

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They go to college or they get successful careers and then it's until later, likely

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when a mental illness would develop, then, you know, all this stuff in there.

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They kill people or they whatever.

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And I will say like, I'll talk about this a little bit more later, but there is no obvious

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mental illness here.

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Like that's he was obvious from childhood or that he was diagnosed with like it's just

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fucking happened.

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And then you'll also notice that along this time, similarly to most people that we talk

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about, he gets arrested and released a bunch of fucking times.

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So it's like, yeah.

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By this time after he had gotten all these arrests when he was 20, he had been released

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from a stint in Mansfield prison and somehow his mother had like resurfaced and come back

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into his life, like hit him up like he yo.

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What's going on?

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She needed a place to crash.

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Well, she was actually living in Miami.

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And so he made his way down there to her.

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He literally like hitchhiked all the way to Miami from, I think he was in Nebraska, maybe

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during his time living in Miami, he worked as a cemetery worker and he was actually an

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ambulance attendant by his own account.

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I'm not sure this was never an ambulance attendant.

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Like he wasn't like an EMT or anything.

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Maybe he like an attendant.

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I don't know.

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Cleaned him.

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Yeah.

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Something.

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Probably clean them up.

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After his time living in Miami, he actually got multiple arrests again for petty crimes

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in between him going in and out of jail, court, whatever.

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He actually somehow became a competitive boxer.

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I mean, I mean, it kind of, okay, so he's working in a cemetery, dead people.

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He's cleaning ambulances.

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Blood.

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Interpupil.

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And then he just graduates to being violent with people.

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Exactly.

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Like he's a very violent person, obviously.

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Fuck, let's do boxing.

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I mean, this is legal, right?

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This did not last long, however.

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It was like a month.

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Yeah.

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It was like a year, I think.

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Okay.

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And in 1961, Samuel was arrested and sentenced to three years in prison for breaking into

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a furniture store.

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And he was released in 1964 for that arrest.

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Eventually.

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But he's been arrested like so many times already, right?

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Yeah, exactly.

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Like rape and theft and burglary and like armed robbery, like keep this fucking dude,

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right?

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Bars, like he's cleaning.

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Yeah.

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I mean, unless he's using aliases or something.

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This is, it was the 1940s.

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Yeah.

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Or 50s.

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Well, this is now 1970.

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This is when his crime, his very violent crimes began.

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So he'll be in his 30s.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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So in June of 1970, a 33-year-old woman by the name of Mary Brosley left her home in

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Massachusetts without telling anybody where she was going and abandoning her seven-year-old

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son in the process.

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What?

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Although her problems with alcohol were known by her family, shortly after leaving on June

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12th, they reported her missing because it was super unlike her to leave for long periods

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of time, especially without her son.

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The night before her disappearance, Mary had been found by police walking down the street

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late at night.

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Apparently, she had been with two men engaging in prostitution.

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And after this was done, the two men actually pushed her out of a moving vehicle.

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Oh.

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Injuring her shoulder in the process.

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But then she just straight up disappears the next day.

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So she informed police that she would be returning to her parents' home the next day, but she

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never arrived.

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So the police can account for her whereabouts the night before she's missing.

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Mary was also noted to be very thin and frail.

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Low and weight.

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She only weighed 80 pounds at 33, and she was only 5'4", so she was little.

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Little, little.

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Yeah.

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She was known that she was frequently in and out of the hospital with cirrhosis of the

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liver and treated for alcoholism.

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She had a very big problem with alcohol.

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On top of her struggles, Mary was also noted to have had a previous hip surgery, which

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included her having to have metal plates and screws put in and leaving her with a permanent

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limp.

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She's very distinct.

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Very distinct, lady.

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She also had multiple permanent injuries that unfortunately happened at the hands of her

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ex-husband in their previous marriage.

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So notably, her life was very rough up until this point, where she goes missing.

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Do they mean that you could see previous bone fractures and stuff?

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She had scars and stuff that were...

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I think she had a scar on her head somehow or something, but yeah, that's what they were

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saying.

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So Mary, again, I told you, she had told police she would be returning home the next day.

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She did not.

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Her parents had reported her missing.

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However, she wasn't a missing person herself.

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She was missing to her family.

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So during this time, her family thinks she's missing, or she is technically missing to

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them, she continues her sex work and eventually makes her way down to Miami, Florida, about

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six months later.

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And her parents do live there?

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They live in Massachusetts.

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Oh, okay.

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So she left.

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She just left the home, left her son.

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Oh.

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Yeah.

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Like, seemingly for no reason, you know?

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So she somewhat just ended up in Miami?

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Yes.

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So she arrives in Miami around December, we'll say, of 1970.

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Now, fast forward to New Year's Eve of 1970, the same year, Mary decided to celebrate at

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a bar and while there, she was introduced to a man by the name of Samuel Little.

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Hmm.

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Samuel later recalled that Mary spoke about leaving her family due to struggles with her

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alcoholism and he actually remembered that she had a limp.

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Very distinct.

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Very distinct limp.

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He also stated that he remembers she was wearing a flowered sundress and a chain necklace.

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Of course, he would be gawking at her neck.

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The events that followed were not laid out in detail online.

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However, Samuel later noted that he remembers playing with her necklace before he strangled

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her with it.

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Hmm.

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Pretty much.

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So this just jumped up to...

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It was just murder?

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Yeah, just murder.

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Due to the fact that he was a professional boxer at one point, one of the most eerie things

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about Samuel, in my opinion, was that he never used weapons to kill his victims.

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He would only use his hands, making it very difficult sometimes for investigators to determine

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the cause of death.

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Was he kind of a big guy?

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He was huge.

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Yeah.

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He would typically punch his victims to stun them or to knock them out and then he would

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proceed to strangle them with his bare hands, which is absolutely terrifying.

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That is terrifying.

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It wouldn't be until January 24th of 1971, so a few weeks later, that a man and his 15-year-old

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son would come across Mary's body in a shallow grave of a wooded area while on a hunting

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trip.

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Content warning.

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The body had decomposed to a state of being unrecognizable, so it was unimmediately known

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what it was when the man and his son had approached.

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The fact that her body was placed with one leg sticking out of the shallow grave led

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investigators to believe that someone else was involved, and this was indeed a homicide.

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It was noted that when she was found, her mesh underwear were actually put back on her with

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both legs in one hole, so like forcefully put on her.

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It wasn't something that was naturally occurring.

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Yes.

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Something that was very, yeah.

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It was also noted by investigators that Mary's blood alcohol content in her brain at the

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time she was found was anywhere from.29 to.37, which is extremely high, and they did mention

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that if it was.37, it would have been enough to kill her, so it actually took them a little

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bit longer to determine that it was a homicide.

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I just feel like after 24 days, how could there be that much alcohol in the brain?

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Exactly.

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She was, I don't know, maybe she did have a long history of alcoholism.

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Maybe her brain was pickled, if you will, for lack of a better phrase.

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Yeah, her brain.

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Well, yeah, if she's that much of an alcoholic, something that would normally kill someone,

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probably likely wouldn't kill her.

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She was used to getting that drunk.

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When being interviewed later about this murder, Samuel told Miami-Dade homicide detective David

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Denmark that Mary was the first woman that he killed.

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He recalled that she was wearing a colorful sundress and remarked that she wore a chain

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necklace.

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I say, many years later, and you'll find out, I don't want to give it away, but you'll

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find out how long this was.

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Denmark was noted as saying about the murder, quote, we believe he choked her to death.

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He had said he only partially buried her because the ground floor was too hard and he would

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never bury someone in Florida again because the ground was too hard, meaning he intended

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to bury more people.

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Little went on to kill many victims, but for time's sake, we're not going to speak about

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each one individually and also because some of them have never been confirmed to be his

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or their identities were never confirmed.

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Most of the, I would say probably 50% of the deaths that he caused were chalked up to natural

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causes when they were found because there was no murder weapon.

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And seemingly, I mean, it was a long time after they were found.

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I will say, however, the suggested amount of people that he killed is 93.

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What?

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So, we're going to get in.

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That's a lot.

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I wanted to lay out his first murder because obviously that's the turning point.

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We're going to kind of go through his life up until when he gets caught.

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But during that time, he kills dozens of people.

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I'll mention some along the way that I could find info on.

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And just as a overall content warning, before we move on, I'm going to be mentioning a number

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of different people along the way that unfortunately Samuel killed.

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The MO is the same for each person, so it's not Tutu graphic and if it is graphic, I will

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repeat content warning, but I just wanted to put a content warning on the rest of this.

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So by 1975, this is five years later, Samuel had been arrested 26 times in 11 different

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states for crimes including theft, assault, attempted rape, fraud, and attacks on government

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officials.

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On government officials?

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Yeah.

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I don't know what that meant.

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Was that an act?

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Did he run into somebody and then realize they were a government official or do you think

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he was politically driven?

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He was probably, no, I don't think he was politically driven at all.

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I don't think he gave a shit about that.

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Well, I mean, there's shit going on.

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I just feel like that's so specific.

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Yeah.

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In total, he only served 10 years time for these various crimes.

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And he was arrested 26 times?

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Yes, in 11 different states.

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In 11 different states.

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Total.

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Oh no, this is like a theme.

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He like gets off scot-free for like some shit.

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Why?

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This is a ridiculous, that's ridiculous.

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It's reported that between 1970 and 1982, he was responsible for the deaths of at least

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two dozen women, one of them being Annie Lee Stewart, a 33 year old mother of three, on

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October 11th, 1981.

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Samuel strangled the mom to death and then proceeded to drive her body to Grove City

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in Ohio to dump it in the woods.

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It was noted that it was raining that day and maybe that's why he decided on the woods

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because it was raining.

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In 1982, Samuel was arrested in Pasigoula, Mississippi and charged with the murder of

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22 year old Melinda Rose LePri.

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She had gone missing in September of that same year after running away from home with

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her boyfriend.

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He was actually pimping her out for money.

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The boyfriend?

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The harsh way to say that, but yeah, he was.

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Melinda was known to dabble in cocaine and weed and Samuel usually chose his victims

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based on their being under the influence and he thought that these people, because they

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were involved in sex work, would not be looked for afterwards, which is really unfortunate.

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Which is awful.

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I think that's just the shittiest justification you can come up with.

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No, literally.

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During his trial, a grand jury decided not to indict him for her murder based on lack

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of sufficient evidence.

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What was the evidence?

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I didn't say.

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Well, I mean, I guess there's a lack of.

486
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Yeah, it's a lack thereof.

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There wasn't any.

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There wasn't any.

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Did he say that he did it?

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No, of course he didn't.

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He pled not guilty.

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He did it.

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He did it.

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He'll admit later that he did it.

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Oh my gosh, why?

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Melinda's brother would later recall, quote, Mindy came from a loving family, but she

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just had some really unfortunate turns in her life with her mother dying when she was

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just seven.

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She was brilliant and a musical genius.

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She taught herself any instrument she wanted.

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Which is really sweet.

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I just had to put that in there.

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Although Samuel did not get charged for this murder, however, while under investigation

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for this crime, he was actually extradited to Florida and tried for the murder of 26-year-old

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Patricia Ann Mount, who his body was found on September 12, 1982.

506
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:24,360
The night before she went missing, witnesses saw her and Samuel dancing at a bar together

507
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:28,200
before they drove off together in his station wagon.

508
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:33,280
Patricia was found dead and unclothed in a hayfield the following morning.

509
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:42,560
During this trial, during this trial, prosecution witnesses identified Samuel as the person who

510
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:49,440
spent time with Patricia on the night before her disappearance, however, due to, quote,

511
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:55,520
mistrust of witness testimonies, because the witnesses were sex workers, the jury did not

512
00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:01,480
trust their statements, and Samuel was acquitted in January of 1984.

513
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,560
I have all the body chills.

514
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,360
How mad for us to show that.

515
00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:09,880
I am mad.

516
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,640
That is, how can one per-

517
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:13,640
You're untrustworthy.

518
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,280
He's got a record.

519
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,160
He's got a long record.

520
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,160
Violent record, if anything.

521
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,520
And he's already been to trial for another murder, even though he was acquitted.

522
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,520
I guess they can't really talk about that either.

523
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:29,680
But the system has to be, like, clearly this guy is up to something.

524
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,200
And the fuck this jury that's like, oh, you're a sex worker.

525
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,200
I don't fucking trust you.

526
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,200
That's ridiculous.

527
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,720
So he's now gotten off on two murder charges.

528
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,760
And I'm sure he feels invincible at this point.

529
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:40,760
Of course.

530
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,120
I know.

531
00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:45,120
We have a lot more to go.

532
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,120
Great.

533
00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:47,120
Great.

534
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:48,120
I'm so excited.

535
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:49,120
I'm pissed off.

536
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:50,120
That's great.

537
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:55,840
After his release in 1984, Samuel wasted no time finding another victim, this time in

538
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,600
Ohio.

539
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,200
Samuel went to a bar on the east side where he met 21-year-old Mary Jo Payton in July

540
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,080
of 1984.

541
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:09,280
The two hit it off and eventually left together when Samuel drove her to an abandoned factory

542
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,440
and proceeded to strangle her to death.

543
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,240
And he actually threw her body down a stairwell afterwards, which is fucked up.

544
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,360
After this, Samuel moved close by San Diego, California.

545
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:27,560
And on September 27th of 1984, while prowling for a new victim, Samuel came across 22-year-old

546
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,440
Laurie Barrows, who was working as a sex worker.

547
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,880
Samuel pulled up in a car, grabbed her, and threw her inside.

548
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,800
He then drove up a steep gravel road and pulled over.

549
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,920
This is the content warning.

550
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,520
Samuel then threw Laurie into the back seat, tied her hands behind her back, and began

551
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,960
strangling her.

552
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,920
Which is, I'm sorry, that's scarier, because you can't move.

553
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,560
You literally can't do anything.

554
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,760
Laurie began to fight as hard as she could, which only made Samuel choker harder.

555
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,920
During this time, Laurie went in and out of consciousness multiple times, and when she

556
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,120
came to the last time, this is gross.

557
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:12,480
Samuel asked her to swallow, stating, quote, I like it when you swallow.

558
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,520
Gross.

559
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:20,240
After strangling her for quite some time, Samuel tossed Laurie out of the car and drove off.

560
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,840
How do we know all this, you ask?

561
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,960
Laurie laid there completely still and played dead for about 30 minutes before getting up.

562
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:28,960
Badass, bitch alert.

563
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,280
Terrified that he might be close by.

564
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,840
She eventually made her way to a phone booth to call for help.

565
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,080
And she was treated and survived the attack.

566
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,080
Bad bitch alert.

567
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,080
Bad bitch alert.

568
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,080
Bad bitch alert.

569
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,800
A friend of hers actually encouraged and pretty much convinced her to file a police report

570
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:44,800
because she was terrified.

571
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:45,800
She didn't want to?

572
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,040
Well, she was scared.

573
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,840
And she did, and she gave a description of his car and the location of where this happened.

574
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,160
Surely he's tried for this one.

575
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,160
Is he?

576
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,320
Police Department trainee.

577
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,280
Oh, god.

578
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,360
Police Department trainee Wayne Speese and his partner ran up on the report and decided

579
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:05,880
to stake out the crime scene.

580
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:06,880
They can't arrest him.

581
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,160
They just have her word.

582
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,600
They don't really have anything to arrest him for this point.

583
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:11,600
She's a victim.

584
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:12,600
Yeah.

585
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,600
I don't understand that.

586
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:14,880
Why is this about, is this in LA?

587
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:15,880
Where are they?

588
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:16,880
This is in San Diego.

589
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:17,880
Okay.

590
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,880
Yep.

591
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:19,880
Yep.

592
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:25,040
A month after the incident on October 25th, 1984, the two same police officers were on

593
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,640
the scene of the crime.

594
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:32,480
And sure enough, Samuel pulled up in his car with yet another woman, Tanya Jackson.

595
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,360
Just came upon him attacking her in the exact same way.

596
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:41,120
He was quickly taken into custody and authorities collected a DNA sample, whoop, whoop, which

597
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:43,320
was later uploaded to the National Database.

598
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,320
Awesome.

599
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,560
Tanya survived her attack as well.

600
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,560
And Samuel was-

601
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,560
I would hope so.

602
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,200
I would hope the police didn't stand by until she died.

603
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,200
Did you watch her?

604
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,560
Well, he's really not murdering her.

605
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,240
He's just strangling her.

606
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,240
Jesus.

607
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,520
Now a murder has been committed.

608
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,520
Now we can take him in.

609
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,520
Now we can take over.

610
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,960
Samuel was charged with attempted murder, rape, assault with intent to cause great bodily

611
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,960
injury and other related sexual charges.

612
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:12,240
Both women testified against Samuel in a joint trial in the mid-1980s.

613
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,240
Why do you look like that?

614
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,240
Don't look like that.

615
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,840
Why do I need to be pissed?

616
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,520
Why do I need to be so mad?

617
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:26,360
During this trial, Samuel was somehow offered a plea deal and he was given four fucking

618
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:31,040
years in prison for assault and false imprisonment.

619
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,960
Why not attempted murder was a plea deal?

620
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:40,720
If this isn't bad enough, he was fucking released in 1987 on good behavior after only

621
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,000
two and a half years.

622
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:48,760
He only served two and a half years for the attempted murder of two women.

623
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,680
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

624
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:57,400
When his release in February of 1987, Samuel moved to LA and proceeded to murder at least

625
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,400
10 more women.

626
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,400
You know what?

627
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,400
That's just gonna happen now.

628
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,560
You want to commit murders?

629
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:02,560
You moved to LA.

630
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:03,560
Literally in the 70s.

631
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:04,560
In the 70s.

632
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:05,560
That's what you did.

633
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,160
If you were a serial murderer, you lived in LA at least one or two times throughout

634
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,160
your career.

635
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:18,840
Two and a half fucking years for the attempted murder of two women and rape and assault and

636
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:19,840
kidnapping.

637
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:25,480
After he was already been convicted, tried for two other murders.

638
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,480
Not convicted, but tried for one.

639
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,640
So they now know that this guy, like, is absolutely baffling.

640
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,240
They don't care.

641
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,440
It's just sex workers.

642
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,520
That's why they don't care.

643
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,880
Because it's only sex workers.

644
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:44,520
On July 13th, 1987, this is literally like three months after he fucking got out, LA

645
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,560
police officer Daryl Lee and his partner responded to a call about a dead body lying in an alleyway

646
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,840
behind a residence on East 27th Street.

647
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:53,840
Content warning.

648
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,800
Could you imagine being those people?

649
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:56,800
No, literally.

650
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,880
Just waking up and looking out your back door and just...

651
00:29:58,880 --> 00:29:59,880
She's a fucking body.

652
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:00,880
An alley.

653
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,880
We have an alley.

654
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:02,880
Horrifying.

655
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,280
That's full of horror.

656
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,280
Content warning.

657
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:12,560
Upon arriving at the scene, police came across 41-year-old Carol Eileen Elford.

658
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,320
She was naked from the waist down with her shirt pulled up over her bra.

659
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,520
She was wearing only one sock and no shoes.

660
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,000
The officers also noticed drag marks in the dirt near the woman's feet, suggesting to

661
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,400
them that she had been killed elsewhere and dragged to this location.

662
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,000
Carol's cause of death was determined to be asphyxia as a result of manual strangulation.

663
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,720
She had sustained multiple bruises near her jawline, hemorrhaging in and around her eyes,

664
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,240
and scratches and abrasions to her neck, some of which were caused by fingernails.

665
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,240
Like ow.

666
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,160
Well, that's her trying to...

667
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,160
Yeah.

668
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,160
That's awful.

669
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,000
That's her... like her own defense wounds.

670
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,800
There was also hemorrhaging beneath her scalp, which is consistent with a blow to the head

671
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,960
because he punched her, of course.

672
00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:00,040
In August of 1989, Samuel strangled one Audrey Nelson Everett to death and left her in a

673
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,320
garage.

674
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:07,000
On September 3rd, 1989, Guadalupe Apodaca was also strangled to death by Samuel and

675
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,400
he left her in a dumpster.

676
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,720
He's just like boom, boom, boom.

677
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,720
Yeah, just willy...

678
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,880
Well, I mean, again, if you've been tried for murder three times, you've gotten away

679
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:16,880
with it.

680
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:17,880
Yeah.

681
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,240
There were some women found during the years of 1989 and 1990 that were confirmed victims

682
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,240
of Samuel's.

683
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,520
However, they are all listed as Jane Doe's due to their names being unknown.

684
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,520
I'm sorry, so...

685
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,520
I'm sorry.

686
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,520
Oh, I'm sorry.

687
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,840
This is later on that they became listed as victims.

688
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,880
Uh, his first victim is Wynn, 1970?

689
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,880
Yeah.

690
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:37,880
And we are in 1990?

691
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:38,880
Yep.

692
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,880
1990.

693
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,880
It's been 20 years.

694
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:41,880
It's been 20 years.

695
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,880
Okay.

696
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:43,880
Just... just make it sure.

697
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:44,880
Just make it sure.

698
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:45,880
Okay.

699
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,880
So, they were in different states as Samuel began traveling again.

700
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:55,160
In 1991, Samuel was driving around in Cleveland, Ohio, once again, and came across a 32-year-old

701
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,600
woman on the side of the road by the name of Rose Evans.

702
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,200
He offered her a ride and when she accepted, he drove her to an abandoned property, strangled

703
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,600
her, and then dumped her body in a vacant lot and covered her with tires.

704
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,520
After this murder, there is actually a gap in the timeline for a few years.

705
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,600
So from like 91 to 94.

706
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:22,000
On January 1st, 1994, 38-year-old Denise Brothers was reported missing.

707
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:28,120
Her body ended up being found a month later in Odessa, Texas, the victim of a strangulation.

708
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,120
I know.

709
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,120
This is a lot.

710
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,120
I'm sorry.

711
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,120
It's okay.

712
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,120
I mean, it's not okay.

713
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:41,160
I'm just saying that it's just incredible that he doesn't... like nobody gives a shit.

714
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:47,240
Between 1995 and 2005, Samuel continued to kill.

715
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,240
2005.

716
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,480
But there is not much known about these crimes.

717
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:56,840
There are multiple victims that are suspected victims of Samuel's from 1970 to 1997, including

718
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,720
40 women listed under unnamed.

719
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,800
Other women mentioned that are potential victims of his due to his confessions later on.

720
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,040
Location searches and sketches drawn by Samuel himself are listed below.

721
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,040
What?

722
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,040
Linda, 1971.

723
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,040
These are all in quotes.

724
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,040
Marianne, 1971.

725
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,040
Sarah Brown, 1973.

726
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,040
Emily, mid-70s.

727
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,040
Joe, 1976.

728
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,040
Clara Birdlong, 1977.

729
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,040
Patricia Parker, 1980.

730
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,040
Zina Jones, 1990.

731
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,040
Priscilla Baxter Jones, 1997.

732
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,040
Francis Campbell, 1984.

733
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,040
Granny, 1987.

734
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,040
Jolanda Jones, 1994.

735
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,040
Alice Denise Duvall, 1991.

736
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,040
Roberta Todrich, 1991.

737
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,040
Someone under the alias T-Money.

738
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,040
I don't know.

739
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,040
I don't know.

740
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,040
I don't know.

741
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,040
I don't know.

742
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,040
I don't know.

743
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,040
I don't know.

744
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,040
I don't know.

745
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,040
I don't know.

746
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,040
I don't know.

747
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,040
I don't know.

748
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,040
I don't know.

749
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,040
I don't know.

750
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,040
I don't know.

751
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,040
I don't know.

752
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,160
Let's turn to one of the most hilarious T-Money 1996 and someone named Anne, 1997.

753
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,720
He wrote those out.

754
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:53,640
Those are names that he gave police, the years that he killed them, and descriptions of them.

755
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,320
Because he remembers all this shit.

756
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,320
That is...

757
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,240
I mean, it took me like how long to read that out.

758
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,240
Yeah.

759
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,460
And that's like a fraction of what he said that he killed.

760
00:34:04,460 --> 00:34:10,980
Although Samuel continued to kill until 2005, his last victim being one Nancy Stevens that

761
00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:15,660
was found on the side of the road in Mississippi, there's not anything documented on him until

762
00:34:15,660 --> 00:34:21,600
2012, showing that somehow he decided to lay low for many years during this time, which

763
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,620
is very odd because he was such a compulsive killer for like 40 fucking years.

764
00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:26,620
Right.

765
00:34:26,620 --> 00:34:28,780
I mean, who knows who's to say that he didn't kill during this time.

766
00:34:28,780 --> 00:34:30,140
Well, how old would he have been then?

767
00:34:30,140 --> 00:34:32,140
Because he was born in 1940.

768
00:34:32,140 --> 00:34:33,140
Mm-hmm.

769
00:34:33,140 --> 00:34:34,140
In late 60s.

770
00:34:34,140 --> 00:34:35,140
Late 60s.

771
00:34:35,140 --> 00:34:36,140
Yeah.

772
00:34:36,140 --> 00:34:42,500
On September 5th, 2012, Samuel was arrested at a homeless shelter in Louisville, Kentucky

773
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:45,220
with suspicions of a drug charge.

774
00:34:45,220 --> 00:34:46,900
A drug charge.

775
00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:51,020
Not for the fucking 90 people that he murdered, but a drug charge.

776
00:34:51,020 --> 00:34:52,740
We suspect he has cocaine.

777
00:34:52,740 --> 00:34:56,500
Of course, at this time, DNA testing had come a long way, and since they had had his

778
00:34:56,500 --> 00:35:02,580
DNA stored in the database from 1987, he was immediately linked to the murders of Carol

779
00:35:02,580 --> 00:35:06,020
Guadalupe and Audrey from 1987.

780
00:35:06,020 --> 00:35:08,940
Samuel was extradited to California to face these three murder charges.

781
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,180
Well, you know it's not going to get done in California, right?

782
00:35:11,180 --> 00:35:12,180
No, of course not.

783
00:35:12,180 --> 00:35:14,180
Actually, it did.

784
00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:20,700
On January 7th, 2013, Samuel was charged for all three murders from 1987.

785
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:25,220
A few months later, police stated that Samuel was being investigated for involvement in

786
00:35:25,220 --> 00:35:31,660
three dozen murder cases from 70 to 90 due to his DNA being linked.

787
00:35:31,660 --> 00:35:37,580
Because of this, Melinda LePrie, the one that he got tried for and not, he got acquitted,

788
00:35:37,580 --> 00:35:38,580
her case was reopened.

789
00:35:38,580 --> 00:35:42,380
I'm not sure why the other one wasn't, but hers was.

790
00:35:42,380 --> 00:35:49,100
In total, Samuel was tested for involvement in 93 murders of women committed in 19 different

791
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:51,380
US states.

792
00:35:51,380 --> 00:35:56,140
With more physical evidence against him, Samuel was finally charged for all three murders

793
00:35:56,140 --> 00:35:58,140
in September 25th, 2014.

794
00:35:58,140 --> 00:35:59,140
2014.

795
00:35:59,140 --> 00:36:05,780
The women who had survived the prior attacks by him all testified against him, and he was

796
00:36:05,780 --> 00:36:10,140
sentenced to three consecutive life sentences without possibility of parole.

797
00:36:10,140 --> 00:36:12,940
That is incredible, right?

798
00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:19,780
For four years, Samuel maintained his innocence and did not speak to anybody about the murders.

799
00:36:19,780 --> 00:36:20,780
Maintained his innocence.

800
00:36:20,780 --> 00:36:22,020
Fuck him.

801
00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:29,100
All of a sudden, it seems, in 2018, in 2018, still alive, Samuel decided that he was going

802
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:32,500
to confess every detail of his crimes.

803
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:35,820
Over the years, many detectives had tried to get a confession out of him, but it was

804
00:36:35,820 --> 00:36:40,100
not until James or Jimmy Holland came along that they heard anything.

805
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:41,620
Who's that?

806
00:36:41,620 --> 00:36:46,900
Jimmy was a Texas Ranger, hell yeah, who came across the cold case of Denise Brothers, the

807
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:49,580
one from Odessa, Texas in 94.

808
00:36:49,580 --> 00:36:54,380
Jimmy was known around the precinct as a quote, serial killer whisperer of sorts, so it made

809
00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:57,540
sense that he would go and question Samuel.

810
00:36:57,540 --> 00:37:01,940
With the help of the FBI's violent criminal apprehension program, Jimmy was able to talk

811
00:37:01,940 --> 00:37:06,420
to Samuel about various cases that took place all over the country.

812
00:37:06,420 --> 00:37:10,020
Samuel did not give up a confession right away, and Jimmy actually eased into talking

813
00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:14,860
to him, slowly talking about his crimes, and making sure to be super delicate when talking

814
00:37:14,860 --> 00:37:17,180
about the violence of the crimes.

815
00:37:17,180 --> 00:37:21,580
The first interrogation lasted for two and a half hours, and in that time, Samuel actually

816
00:37:21,580 --> 00:37:23,980
began to like Jimmy.

817
00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:28,580
They actually bonded over like spending time in Texas, what kind of sodas they liked, and

818
00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:33,060
nicknames that they were given as children by their parents, which is really weird.

819
00:37:33,060 --> 00:37:36,660
Not weird, but like, you know, not something you'd think of.

820
00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:39,860
Jimmy listened to Samuel as he vented about the different police departments he had come

821
00:37:39,860 --> 00:37:40,860
across.

822
00:37:40,860 --> 00:37:43,740
Oh my god, the police are so bad, even though I fucking murdered 90 people.

823
00:37:43,740 --> 00:37:45,100
Well that's why he's saying that they're bad.

824
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:49,620
Well I'm just saying, like clearly they're dummies.

825
00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:53,580
Samuel slowly began to give up details about certain crimes he had committed.

826
00:37:53,580 --> 00:37:58,180
He was noted as saying to Jimmy about his murders, quote, it was like drugs, I came

827
00:37:58,180 --> 00:37:59,180
to like it.

828
00:37:59,180 --> 00:38:04,780
By the time the interview was over, Samuel told Jimmy that he quote, stopped counting

829
00:38:04,780 --> 00:38:09,980
the amount of victims he had killed at 84.

830
00:38:09,980 --> 00:38:14,500
He was counting, and he got to 84, and then he lost count.

831
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:17,340
Like that's so sick.

832
00:38:17,340 --> 00:38:22,260
I don't know, I feel like if that's all you did was kill people, it's literally your life.

833
00:38:22,260 --> 00:38:25,060
You would know.

834
00:38:25,060 --> 00:38:29,420
The next day, Jimmy went back over for another four hour interrogation.

835
00:38:29,420 --> 00:38:33,380
These interrogations continued over the next few months, even taking place in different

836
00:38:33,380 --> 00:38:36,820
states as Samuel was being like, tried for various victims.

837
00:38:36,820 --> 00:38:37,820
Whoa.

838
00:38:37,820 --> 00:38:41,180
And Jimmy just like went with him to keep talking to him.

839
00:38:41,180 --> 00:38:46,060
During these interviews, Samuel opened up about the specific details of each crime.

840
00:38:46,060 --> 00:38:49,780
While he couldn't remember everything, he remembered a remarkable amount of detail of

841
00:38:49,780 --> 00:38:55,580
each woman, what they were wearing, where he met them, their stories, things like that.

842
00:38:55,580 --> 00:39:01,460
He even took it upon himself to draw sketches of women and ended up drawing over 20 sketches

843
00:39:01,460 --> 00:39:05,060
in total that looked like the women that he had killed.

844
00:39:05,060 --> 00:39:12,740
He was like, oh, I remember in 75, here she is, and he gave like literally, yeah, to help,

845
00:39:12,740 --> 00:39:15,140
I guess help identify them.

846
00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:18,860
Although there are dozens of murders that are still cold cases, Samuel's confessions helped

847
00:39:18,860 --> 00:39:23,700
close multiple different open cases over the years, with family members of some victims

848
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:26,900
being contacted 50 years later.

849
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:27,900
Could you imagine?

850
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:28,900
Like 50 years ago.

851
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:30,380
Like you never know what happened to grandma.

852
00:39:30,380 --> 00:39:33,980
And then you find out 50 years later.

853
00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:38,700
When asked why he seemed to suddenly want to confess, Samuel stated, quote, probably

854
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:44,300
being numerous people who are been convicted and sent to the penitentiary on my behalf,

855
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:49,820
I say if I can help get somebody out of jail, you know, God might smile a little bit more

856
00:39:49,820 --> 00:39:50,820
on me.

857
00:39:50,820 --> 00:39:53,820
So he doesn't give a shit about the victims family or the victims.

858
00:39:53,820 --> 00:39:57,620
He's like, oh, that guy might be in jail for the crime I committed.

859
00:39:57,620 --> 00:40:00,460
He needs to be released.

860
00:40:00,460 --> 00:40:04,100
He was also noted as saying, quote, I don't think there was another person who did what

861
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:05,180
I like to do.

862
00:40:05,180 --> 00:40:08,140
I think I'm the only one in the world and that's not an honor.

863
00:40:08,140 --> 00:40:10,420
That's a curse.

864
00:40:10,420 --> 00:40:14,820
Being in late age at the time of his conviction, Samuel spent many of his later years in poor

865
00:40:14,820 --> 00:40:19,460
health in a wheelchair with diabetes and a heart condition.

866
00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:20,460
Good.

867
00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:27,820
It was not until the early hours of December 30th, 2020 that Samuel passed away from seemingly

868
00:40:27,820 --> 00:40:34,740
natural causes at the age of 80 in the California State Prison one day before the 50th anniversary

869
00:40:34,740 --> 00:40:36,780
of his first murder.

870
00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:40,120
That's serendipitous.

871
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,500
Of all of the murders that were confessed by Samuel, only 60 were confirmed at the time

872
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:46,180
of his death.

873
00:40:46,180 --> 00:40:50,980
Psychiatrists have named him a sexual serial killer, which I didn't really get a lot of

874
00:40:50,980 --> 00:40:54,340
information on that, but that's a story.

875
00:40:54,340 --> 00:40:55,340
Yeah.

876
00:40:55,340 --> 00:40:57,340
Yeah, he never once talked about stroking.

877
00:40:57,340 --> 00:41:00,220
Yeah, no, I don't want to say choking stroke.

878
00:41:00,220 --> 00:41:01,220
That's fucking gross.

879
00:41:01,220 --> 00:41:03,540
I'm not going to give him that.

880
00:41:03,540 --> 00:41:12,580
Anyways, if I had details on every single person that he killed, we would be here all

881
00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:13,580
day.

882
00:41:13,580 --> 00:41:14,580
We would be here for hours.

883
00:41:14,580 --> 00:41:16,060
Yeah, an entire day probably.

884
00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:17,060
Literally.

885
00:41:17,060 --> 00:41:20,940
That is just so baffling how someone can just...

886
00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:23,420
It was literally boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

887
00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:25,860
How do you not get fucking caught?

888
00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:32,020
Not only are you getting off on these charges, but he was only tried for two actual murders

889
00:41:32,020 --> 00:41:36,060
between the time that he started killing and then 2012.

890
00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:41,540
If he committed 93 times that the police fucked up.

891
00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:42,540
Right.

892
00:41:42,540 --> 00:41:51,620
Well, unfortunately, in sex work, when these people, I will say people because it's not

893
00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:57,140
gender specific, but sex workers, I think they don't really usually have a lot of contact

894
00:41:57,140 --> 00:41:59,220
with their family if they're living on the streets.

895
00:41:59,220 --> 00:42:05,900
They honestly usually aren't reported missing for some days, but sometimes a week, sometimes

896
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:12,700
a month from a family member or a friend because they are also living a transient lifestyle.

897
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:17,980
They're also going from one side of the city to the other or another city or hitchhiking,

898
00:42:17,980 --> 00:42:21,780
especially hitchhiking in the 70s, 60s and 70s.

899
00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:23,900
That was a big thing.

900
00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:27,540
I think it's a little bit of that that people weren't reported missing.

901
00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:31,580
I wonder how many of these women were actually ever reported missing.

902
00:42:31,580 --> 00:42:34,940
Well, that's what I'm saying, though, but these bodies had to have been found.

903
00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:36,980
He put them in just random places.

904
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:38,980
It's not like he had a really great method of hiding.

905
00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:42,020
It also seems like he's also a transient person.

906
00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:44,300
He's also moving around a lot, too.

907
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:50,460
So I mean, some of the hardest cases ever are serial killers that are truck drivers

908
00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:53,380
because they're constantly going across state lines all the time.

909
00:42:53,380 --> 00:42:57,500
Well, I guess when you think about it, too, and I'm not trying to be ugly at all, but

910
00:42:57,500 --> 00:42:59,060
there's no murder weapon.

911
00:42:59,060 --> 00:43:05,020
Seemingly, someone was choked or strangled that could easily have been an angry client

912
00:43:05,020 --> 00:43:06,020
or something.

913
00:43:06,020 --> 00:43:09,980
It doesn't necessarily mean it's the same guy every time.

914
00:43:09,980 --> 00:43:12,100
That's really awful.

915
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:13,100
And that's what they say.

916
00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:16,500
He's potentially the most, like, the deadliest serial killer in America.

917
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:20,620
His numbers make Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer look like fucking nuts.

918
00:43:20,620 --> 00:43:21,620
Like jokes.

919
00:43:21,620 --> 00:43:22,620
Like infants.

920
00:43:22,620 --> 00:43:23,620
Seriously.

921
00:43:23,620 --> 00:43:26,020
They literally says that his number is dwarf there, is what it said.

922
00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:27,860
There's more information.

923
00:43:27,860 --> 00:43:31,900
I didn't include everything that I found, again, for time's sake.

924
00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:37,460
But there was also another journalist or reporter of some sort, a woman that actually, I read

925
00:43:37,460 --> 00:43:40,500
that visited him in jail as well.

926
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:42,340
And they actually bonded.

927
00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:44,740
And she had asked him at one point, like...

928
00:43:44,740 --> 00:43:45,740
Was it Baba?

929
00:43:45,740 --> 00:43:46,740
Baba Waltas?

930
00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:49,100
It was just some random lady.

931
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:52,660
But she asked him at one point, like, oh, would I be one of your victims?

932
00:43:52,660 --> 00:43:54,740
Or somehow it came up, like, I'm a woman.

933
00:43:54,740 --> 00:43:57,860
And he's like, oh, no, I wouldn't kill you.

934
00:43:57,860 --> 00:44:00,660
I wouldn't kill someone that's like...

935
00:44:00,660 --> 00:44:01,660
Famous.

936
00:44:01,660 --> 00:44:03,740
You're elevated, you know, in there.

937
00:44:03,740 --> 00:44:04,740
So it's like...

938
00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:05,740
He didn't feel any remorse for this man.

939
00:44:05,740 --> 00:44:06,740
He definitely thought about it.

940
00:44:06,740 --> 00:44:07,740
Oh, no, he didn't.

941
00:44:07,740 --> 00:44:10,740
But then I can't think of, like, what would have happened to me.

942
00:44:10,740 --> 00:44:12,580
That sounds like a case of nature to me.

943
00:44:12,580 --> 00:44:14,060
Or, I mean, nurture as well.

944
00:44:14,060 --> 00:44:17,780
But it's not like he was in foster care his whole life.

945
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:20,020
His mom did leave, but then he went with his grandparents.

946
00:44:20,020 --> 00:44:22,100
His mother was also a sex worker, too.

947
00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:23,220
You said that.

948
00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:24,220
That's actually really true.

949
00:44:24,220 --> 00:44:25,220
I wouldn't even think about that.

950
00:44:25,220 --> 00:44:26,900
And she traveled around a lot, too.

951
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:29,940
So maybe he, like, had hatred for his mom and he, like, took it out.

952
00:44:29,940 --> 00:44:30,940
Probably.

953
00:44:30,940 --> 00:44:31,940
He's a woman.

954
00:44:31,940 --> 00:44:32,940
Oh, that's so awful.

955
00:44:32,940 --> 00:44:33,940
I can't imagine that.

956
00:44:33,940 --> 00:44:34,940
That's so awful.

957
00:44:34,940 --> 00:44:37,020
I mean, all of it, like, the whole situation.

958
00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:38,020
But thank God for DNA.

959
00:44:38,020 --> 00:44:41,380
But isn't that wild that he died two years, not even two years, like, almost two years

960
00:44:41,380 --> 00:44:42,380
ago.

961
00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:43,380
Yeah, almost two years ago.

962
00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:44,380
Because he technically, it was, made it to 2021.

963
00:44:44,380 --> 00:44:45,380
He was two days away from 2021.

964
00:44:45,380 --> 00:44:46,380
Yeah.

965
00:44:46,380 --> 00:44:47,380
You know, like...

966
00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:48,380
Ugh.

967
00:44:48,380 --> 00:44:50,380
I hope he got COVID in his butt.

968
00:44:50,380 --> 00:44:51,380
He got the butt COVID.

969
00:44:51,380 --> 00:44:52,380
Got the butt vid.

970
00:44:52,380 --> 00:44:53,380
The butt vid.

971
00:44:53,380 --> 00:44:56,380
Anyway, thank you guys for joining us for another case.

972
00:44:56,380 --> 00:44:58,180
We will be back pretty soon.

973
00:44:58,180 --> 00:45:01,780
I didn't mention our handles on the last episode, I don't think.

974
00:45:01,780 --> 00:45:03,100
So we have patreon.com.com.

975
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:04,380
We have diagnosinga killer.

976
00:45:04,380 --> 00:45:05,860
We have diagnosingakiller.com.

977
00:45:05,860 --> 00:45:06,860
Twitter.

978
00:45:06,860 --> 00:45:07,860
Twitter.

979
00:45:07,860 --> 00:45:08,860
Twitter.

980
00:45:08,860 --> 00:45:09,860
At killerdiagnosis.

981
00:45:09,860 --> 00:45:13,300
And then Instagram is at diagnosingakiller.com as well.

982
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:15,940
We did get a really lovely email, like we said in the beginning.

983
00:45:15,940 --> 00:45:17,540
So please continue to send us those.

984
00:45:17,540 --> 00:45:19,580
We love hearing from you guys.

985
00:45:19,580 --> 00:45:22,100
And yeah, I think we should be getting out of there.

986
00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:23,100
Anything else you got?

987
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:24,100
No, that's it.

988
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:25,100
Finger guns.

989
00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:26,100
Finger guns.

990
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:27,100
Alright guys, love you.

991
00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:57,040
Until next time.

