Hello! Hello!
I'm... Kenna
I'm Koelle.
Why did I like, forget my name?
I don't know.
Welcome back to diagnosing a Killer.
Kenna Crystal Meth.
That's my new handle.
Hello everybody! How is it going?
Welcome back. You don't like this intro?
It's alright. It's fine. I could deal.
So we are back today with another case.
Before we get started, we got an email from someone that we don't know.
We're not poking at the email.
We love getting emails from people we don't know.
Literally, it's amazing.
I'm not going to put her name in there just because I'm not sure if she's comfortable with it,
but I will say the inbox subject was Yauzer, which I love already.
Yauzer.
That's already amazing.
The email says, ladies, smiley face, I just finished episode 6.
I just love, love, and two heart emojis, your podcast.
Okay, I want to know after several years of listening to interesting murderous podcasts
and then deleting good podcasts because I can't hear or understand the speakers
because of annoying music in the background or echoes, etc.
Why does your podcast sound perfect without my turning all my bass down,
treble up, and volume to 60?
And besides all of that, you're funnier than fuck.
Sorry to your mom, LOL.
The only complaint is going to be you won't be able to put them out fast enough to keep up with my binge.
I love your banter.
I love that you leave in the funny little mistakes you make.
So way to go from Up the Mountain and Pagosa Springs, Katerat.
Yay!
Thank you so much for that lovely email.
I literally immediately screenshotted it and sent it to Koella Season Gaming
and I got really excited and I sent it to my mom as she saw.
I would say the only thing that we do, I think differently than people that I've seen,
maybe like a video of them recording is that we're in a tiny little closet.
Yeah, first of all, we're in a closet surrounded by clothing.
But also we share one microphone.
A lot of people have their own microphone and they have like a screen in front of it.
We actually have the Yeti Blue microphone that we just, we have like a little TV tray
with the computer and the microphone on the tray and then we both sit like
equal distance from the microphone.
In little tiny child children, like children sized chairs.
Like wooden chairs.
Like I'm eating my knees right now.
Yeah, my butt bones hurt every time we finish recording.
No pain, no gain, it's for the audience.
But yeah, I think that might be the reason we turn our gain like just right in the middle,
like not too high, not too low.
We try not to get way too close to the microphone because then it seems like we're shouting.
We're very critical of how we sound.
We're very critical.
Like we even discussed recently in the last few episodes that we felt there's certain
points where we laugh too hard or talk this loud and it's very, it blows out your speakers.
Don't be driving listening to us because I'm bougie like that.
Yeah, I do too.
I like binge listen to our podcast.
I like to know.
And then, you know, I feel like it gives me more awareness too if I feel like I said something
like, oh, that's a little, then it's like, yeah, I shouldn't do that next time.
I shouldn't say that next time or I shouldn't, you know, phrase it that way next time or things like that.
Yeah.
And then like the first thing she said that she had listened to episode six and so I immediately
went listen to episode six.
I was like, what did you hear?
Oh my gosh, she was listening to my voice.
I didn't even know.
I feel so conscious.
But it's like, that's why we do this.
So thank you so much for the nice email.
There's also Instagram if you want to hit us.
Cause I tried to look you up on Instagram and I couldn't find you.
Don't do that.
I was trying to see if she was following the diagnosis.
Oh, I see.
You know, or the diagnosing insta, but I don't see anybody by that name.
Anyways, thank you so much for the lovely email.
We hope to hopefully keep up with your binge.
We're trying to post an episode a week, whether it be a mental breakdown or a case.
So hopefully that'll help you get your fix.
If you will.
I'm so excited.
I must know.
Yeah.
About the case.
Yes.
So I've been talking about this case for a little while now.
I would say one that most of the listeners will probably know, at least the name.
I personally, I knew the name and I kind of knew the story, but I kind of, uh, I learned a lot when I was doing my research.
So we're going to get right into it.
This guy is perhaps the deadliest serial killer of all time.
Do you have a guess?
I'm just writing to that H3.
H3.
You ever seen that?
H3.
When he's like talking to that girl.
I don't even know.
It's that woman that's on his podcast with him and every time she finishes it's an N.
Oh, yeah.
Oh yeah.
It's the girl that does the voiceover.
You know you do that, right?
After a recent.
No, I don't.
What are you talking about?
I do.
She doesn't even realize.
It's so funny.
She's funny.
She's hilarious.
Did you know that Biden quoted Hamilton?
And he's like, what?
She's like, yeah, he quoted Hamilton.
He did the, you know, we give these truths to be self-evident and all men are created.
He's like, what?
He's like, that's from Hamilton.
He's like, no, it's not.
No, it is not.
Hamilton quoted that.
Anyways, do you have a guess for the person?
The most deadliest serial killer?
In America.
There's Ted Bundy.
There's Jeffrey Dahmer.
There's.
You would think.
Kemper.
There's.
That's a good guess, but no.
See, I feel like he doesn't get talked about as much as the big guys.
Kemper.
No.
This guy, I'm doing it.
Oh, okay.
Samuel Little.
See.
Oh, you even know.
Oh, Samuel Little.
He's the, he's the, uh, Green River?
Is he?
No.
No, he was.
No, he was Golden Gate.
He's, he's gone.
He got named the infamous Chokin Stroke Killer.
I'm not fucking calling him that.
That's giving him way too much credit.
Chokin Stroke.
Isn't that terrible?
That is horrible.
I'm going to call him.
What year was this?
The.
It was the 1930s?
No, it was like the 70s to 90s.
Okay.
Anyways, we're going to get started since, uh, you don't know as much as I thought you
would about him.
So excited about this.
Samuel Little was born as Samuel McDowell on June 7th, 1940, and Reynolds, Georgia to
parents, Bessie May Little and Paul McDowell.
I couldn't find the mother's age when Samuel was born, but it did say that Paul was only
19 when he was born.
Oh, they were young teenage parents.
Oh, this was 1940s.
They might as well be in their thirties.
Yeah, that's true.
So there's actually two different stories about his parents that I found.
Uh, one was stated by himself and the other was stated by like the police or something.
I don't know.
But one of the stories which Samuel had said was that his mother was a teenage sex worker
who lived with her mother and actually abandoned him on the side of the road after Paul, the
father was out of the picture.
While other sources said that authorities believed Bessie was actually in jail when she
gave birth to him.
Oh, unsure which one is true.
But either way, Paul McDowell, his father was out of the picture and Samuel was given
to his grandmother shortly after he was born when his last name was changed to Little.
Once given to his grandmother, the both of them went to Lorraine, Ohio, where Samuel was
brought up by both of his grandparents.
Not much is known about Samuel from early childhood until middle school, but when he
reached middle school, he actually attended Hawthorne Junior High School.
And by all accounts, he had many problems with discipline and achievement.
You know, most of the time I feel like we talk about people that were troubled, you
know, growing up and especially into adulthood, but their childhood, maybe it was good or
you know, there's no red flags.
This was like a shit show from the start.
Later on, Samuel would recall that during his childhood, like kindergarten, he would
have sexual fantasies about strangling women.
And it started when he saw his kindergarten teacher like touch her neck and he was like,
oh, he like really fixated on the neck.
On her neck.
Huh.
And as a teen, he was noted as collecting true crime magazines that depicted women being
choked.
Choking stroke.
During his time in middle school, he was also caught stealing.
And at the age of 13, he was sent to a reformatory school for teenage boys.
This is in 1954.
It was noted that when arriving at this school, it was written in his notes, like his folder,
that his mother's whereabouts were quote unknown.
It was reported that he attended this school for only a year.
And during this time, he ended up with 47 disciplinary reports.
In a year.
That's a school year.
Not even a full year.
It's like six months.
Obviously this meant that he was kicked out of the school.
And by the age of 16, he actually found himself kind of like drifting around the US hitchhiking,
whatever, and was quickly arrested for it said one source at burglary, one source said
be any like breaking entering in Omaha, Nebraska.
Due to this arrest, he was sent to juvie and was done with school after this.
He's like, you know, I don't think that's for me.
Yeah.
Now, from the ages of 16 to 20, Samuel was already getting his track record started with
his crimes.
In and out of juvie and jail for various crimes such as theft, DUI, assault, armed robbery
and rape.
Just from the get like there is no like slow spot here.
He just immediately like started getting into crime.
Well, like you said, sometimes it's, you know, the kid grows up in a household that's
atypical and but then as soon as they're able to escape, they kind of go to college.
No, the opposite.
They go to college or they get successful careers and then it's until later, likely
when a mental illness would develop, then, you know, all this stuff in there.
Yeah.
They kill people or they whatever.
Exactly.
And I will say like, I'll talk about this a little bit more later, but there is no obvious
mental illness here.
Like that's he was obvious from childhood or that he was diagnosed with like it's just
fucking happened.
And then you'll also notice that along this time, similarly to most people that we talk
about, he gets arrested and released a bunch of fucking times.
Yeah.
So it's like, yeah.
By this time after he had gotten all these arrests when he was 20, he had been released
from a stint in Mansfield prison and somehow his mother had like resurfaced and come back
into his life, like hit him up like he yo.
What's going on?
She needed a place to crash.
Well, she was actually living in Miami.
And so he made his way down there to her.
He literally like hitchhiked all the way to Miami from, I think he was in Nebraska, maybe
during his time living in Miami, he worked as a cemetery worker and he was actually an
ambulance attendant by his own account.
I'm not sure this was never an ambulance attendant.
Like he wasn't like an EMT or anything.
Maybe he like an attendant.
I don't know.
Cleaned him.
Yeah.
Something.
Probably clean them up.
After his time living in Miami, he actually got multiple arrests again for petty crimes
in between him going in and out of jail, court, whatever.
He actually somehow became a competitive boxer.
I mean, I mean, it kind of, okay, so he's working in a cemetery, dead people.
He's cleaning ambulances.
Blood.
Interpupil.
And then he just graduates to being violent with people.
Exactly.
Like he's a very violent person, obviously.
Fuck, let's do boxing.
I mean, this is legal, right?
This did not last long, however.
It was like a month.
Yeah.
It was like a year, I think.
Okay.
And in 1961, Samuel was arrested and sentenced to three years in prison for breaking into
a furniture store.
And he was released in 1964 for that arrest.
Eventually.
But he's been arrested like so many times already, right?
Yeah, exactly.
Like rape and theft and burglary and like armed robbery, like keep this fucking dude,
right?
Bars, like he's cleaning.
Yeah.
I mean, unless he's using aliases or something.
This is, it was the 1940s.
Yeah.
Or 50s.
Well, this is now 1970.
This is when his crime, his very violent crimes began.
So he'll be in his 30s.
Yes.
Okay.
So in June of 1970, a 33-year-old woman by the name of Mary Brosley left her home in
Massachusetts without telling anybody where she was going and abandoning her seven-year-old
son in the process.
What?
Although her problems with alcohol were known by her family, shortly after leaving on June
12th, they reported her missing because it was super unlike her to leave for long periods
of time, especially without her son.
The night before her disappearance, Mary had been found by police walking down the street
late at night.
Apparently, she had been with two men engaging in prostitution.
And after this was done, the two men actually pushed her out of a moving vehicle.
Oh.
Injuring her shoulder in the process.
But then she just straight up disappears the next day.
So she informed police that she would be returning to her parents' home the next day, but she
never arrived.
So the police can account for her whereabouts the night before she's missing.
Mary was also noted to be very thin and frail.
Low and weight.
She only weighed 80 pounds at 33, and she was only 5'4", so she was little.
Little, little.
Yeah.
She was known that she was frequently in and out of the hospital with cirrhosis of the
liver and treated for alcoholism.
She had a very big problem with alcohol.
On top of her struggles, Mary was also noted to have had a previous hip surgery, which
included her having to have metal plates and screws put in and leaving her with a permanent
limp.
She's very distinct.
Very distinct, lady.
She also had multiple permanent injuries that unfortunately happened at the hands of her
ex-husband in their previous marriage.
So notably, her life was very rough up until this point, where she goes missing.
Do they mean that you could see previous bone fractures and stuff?
She had scars and stuff that were...
I think she had a scar on her head somehow or something, but yeah, that's what they were
saying.
So Mary, again, I told you, she had told police she would be returning home the next day.
She did not.
Her parents had reported her missing.
However, she wasn't a missing person herself.
She was missing to her family.
So during this time, her family thinks she's missing, or she is technically missing to
them, she continues her sex work and eventually makes her way down to Miami, Florida, about
six months later.
And her parents do live there?
They live in Massachusetts.
Oh, okay.
So she left.
She just left the home, left her son.
Oh.
Yeah.
Like, seemingly for no reason, you know?
So she somewhat just ended up in Miami?
Yes.
So she arrives in Miami around December, we'll say, of 1970.
Now, fast forward to New Year's Eve of 1970, the same year, Mary decided to celebrate at
a bar and while there, she was introduced to a man by the name of Samuel Little.
Hmm.
Samuel later recalled that Mary spoke about leaving her family due to struggles with her
alcoholism and he actually remembered that she had a limp.
Very distinct.
Very distinct limp.
He also stated that he remembers she was wearing a flowered sundress and a chain necklace.
Of course, he would be gawking at her neck.
The events that followed were not laid out in detail online.
However, Samuel later noted that he remembers playing with her necklace before he strangled
her with it.
Hmm.
Pretty much.
So this just jumped up to...
It was just murder?
Yeah, just murder.
Due to the fact that he was a professional boxer at one point, one of the most eerie things
about Samuel, in my opinion, was that he never used weapons to kill his victims.
He would only use his hands, making it very difficult sometimes for investigators to determine
the cause of death.
Was he kind of a big guy?
He was huge.
Yeah.
He would typically punch his victims to stun them or to knock them out and then he would
proceed to strangle them with his bare hands, which is absolutely terrifying.
That is terrifying.
It wouldn't be until January 24th of 1971, so a few weeks later, that a man and his 15-year-old
son would come across Mary's body in a shallow grave of a wooded area while on a hunting
trip.
Content warning.
The body had decomposed to a state of being unrecognizable, so it was unimmediately known
what it was when the man and his son had approached.
The fact that her body was placed with one leg sticking out of the shallow grave led
investigators to believe that someone else was involved, and this was indeed a homicide.
It was noted that when she was found, her mesh underwear were actually put back on her with
both legs in one hole, so like forcefully put on her.
It wasn't something that was naturally occurring.
Yes.
Something that was very, yeah.
It was also noted by investigators that Mary's blood alcohol content in her brain at the
time she was found was anywhere from.29 to.37, which is extremely high, and they did mention
that if it was.37, it would have been enough to kill her, so it actually took them a little
bit longer to determine that it was a homicide.
I just feel like after 24 days, how could there be that much alcohol in the brain?
Exactly.
She was, I don't know, maybe she did have a long history of alcoholism.
Maybe her brain was pickled, if you will, for lack of a better phrase.
Yeah, her brain.
Well, yeah, if she's that much of an alcoholic, something that would normally kill someone,
probably likely wouldn't kill her.
She was used to getting that drunk.
When being interviewed later about this murder, Samuel told Miami-Dade homicide detective David
Denmark that Mary was the first woman that he killed.
He recalled that she was wearing a colorful sundress and remarked that she wore a chain
necklace.
I say, many years later, and you'll find out, I don't want to give it away, but you'll
find out how long this was.
Denmark was noted as saying about the murder, quote, we believe he choked her to death.
He had said he only partially buried her because the ground floor was too hard and he would
never bury someone in Florida again because the ground was too hard, meaning he intended
to bury more people.
Little went on to kill many victims, but for time's sake, we're not going to speak about
each one individually and also because some of them have never been confirmed to be his
or their identities were never confirmed.
Most of the, I would say probably 50% of the deaths that he caused were chalked up to natural
causes when they were found because there was no murder weapon.
And seemingly, I mean, it was a long time after they were found.
I will say, however, the suggested amount of people that he killed is 93.
What?
So, we're going to get in.
That's a lot.
I wanted to lay out his first murder because obviously that's the turning point.
We're going to kind of go through his life up until when he gets caught.
But during that time, he kills dozens of people.
I'll mention some along the way that I could find info on.
And just as a overall content warning, before we move on, I'm going to be mentioning a number
of different people along the way that unfortunately Samuel killed.
The MO is the same for each person, so it's not Tutu graphic and if it is graphic, I will
repeat content warning, but I just wanted to put a content warning on the rest of this.
So by 1975, this is five years later, Samuel had been arrested 26 times in 11 different
states for crimes including theft, assault, attempted rape, fraud, and attacks on government
officials.
On government officials?
Yeah.
I don't know what that meant.
Was that an act?
Did he run into somebody and then realize they were a government official or do you think
he was politically driven?
He was probably, no, I don't think he was politically driven at all.
I don't think he gave a shit about that.
Well, I mean, there's shit going on.
I just feel like that's so specific.
Yeah.
In total, he only served 10 years time for these various crimes.
And he was arrested 26 times?
Yes, in 11 different states.
In 11 different states.
Total.
Oh no, this is like a theme.
He like gets off scot-free for like some shit.
Why?
This is a ridiculous, that's ridiculous.
It's reported that between 1970 and 1982, he was responsible for the deaths of at least
two dozen women, one of them being Annie Lee Stewart, a 33 year old mother of three, on
October 11th, 1981.
Samuel strangled the mom to death and then proceeded to drive her body to Grove City
in Ohio to dump it in the woods.
It was noted that it was raining that day and maybe that's why he decided on the woods
because it was raining.
In 1982, Samuel was arrested in Pasigoula, Mississippi and charged with the murder of
22 year old Melinda Rose LePri.
She had gone missing in September of that same year after running away from home with
her boyfriend.
He was actually pimping her out for money.
The boyfriend?
The harsh way to say that, but yeah, he was.
Melinda was known to dabble in cocaine and weed and Samuel usually chose his victims
based on their being under the influence and he thought that these people, because they
were involved in sex work, would not be looked for afterwards, which is really unfortunate.
Which is awful.
I think that's just the shittiest justification you can come up with.
No, literally.
During his trial, a grand jury decided not to indict him for her murder based on lack
of sufficient evidence.
What was the evidence?
I didn't say.
Well, I mean, I guess there's a lack of.
Yeah, it's a lack thereof.
There wasn't any.
Did he say that he did it?
No, of course he didn't.
He pled not guilty.
He did it.
He'll admit later that he did it.
Oh my gosh, why?
Melinda's brother would later recall, quote, Mindy came from a loving family, but she
just had some really unfortunate turns in her life with her mother dying when she was
just seven.
She was brilliant and a musical genius.
She taught herself any instrument she wanted.
Which is really sweet.
I just had to put that in there.
Although Samuel did not get charged for this murder, however, while under investigation
for this crime, he was actually extradited to Florida and tried for the murder of 26-year-old
Patricia Ann Mount, who his body was found on September 12, 1982.
The night before she went missing, witnesses saw her and Samuel dancing at a bar together
before they drove off together in his station wagon.
Patricia was found dead and unclothed in a hayfield the following morning.
During this trial, during this trial, prosecution witnesses identified Samuel as the person who
spent time with Patricia on the night before her disappearance, however, due to, quote,
mistrust of witness testimonies, because the witnesses were sex workers, the jury did not
trust their statements, and Samuel was acquitted in January of 1984.
I have all the body chills.
How mad for us to show that.
I am mad.
That is, how can one per-
You're untrustworthy.
He's got a record.
He's got a long record.
Violent record, if anything.
And he's already been to trial for another murder, even though he was acquitted.
I guess they can't really talk about that either.
But the system has to be, like, clearly this guy is up to something.
And the fuck this jury that's like, oh, you're a sex worker.
I don't fucking trust you.
That's ridiculous.
So he's now gotten off on two murder charges.
And I'm sure he feels invincible at this point.
Of course.
I know.
We have a lot more to go.
Great.
I'm so excited.
I'm pissed off.
That's great.
After his release in 1984, Samuel wasted no time finding another victim, this time in
Ohio.
Samuel went to a bar on the east side where he met 21-year-old Mary Jo Payton in July
of 1984.
The two hit it off and eventually left together when Samuel drove her to an abandoned factory
and proceeded to strangle her to death.
And he actually threw her body down a stairwell afterwards, which is fucked up.
After this, Samuel moved close by San Diego, California.
And on September 27th of 1984, while prowling for a new victim, Samuel came across 22-year-old
Laurie Barrows, who was working as a sex worker.
Samuel pulled up in a car, grabbed her, and threw her inside.
He then drove up a steep gravel road and pulled over.
This is the content warning.
Samuel then threw Laurie into the back seat, tied her hands behind her back, and began
strangling her.
Which is, I'm sorry, that's scarier, because you can't move.
You literally can't do anything.
Laurie began to fight as hard as she could, which only made Samuel choker harder.
During this time, Laurie went in and out of consciousness multiple times, and when she
came to the last time, this is gross.
Samuel asked her to swallow, stating, quote, I like it when you swallow.
Gross.
After strangling her for quite some time, Samuel tossed Laurie out of the car and drove off.
How do we know all this, you ask?
Laurie laid there completely still and played dead for about 30 minutes before getting up.
Badass, bitch alert.
Terrified that he might be close by.
She eventually made her way to a phone booth to call for help.
And she was treated and survived the attack.
Bad bitch alert.
A friend of hers actually encouraged and pretty much convinced her to file a police report
because she was terrified.
She didn't want to?
Well, she was scared.
And she did, and she gave a description of his car and the location of where this happened.
Surely he's tried for this one.
Is he?
Police Department trainee.
Oh, god.
Police Department trainee Wayne Speese and his partner ran up on the report and decided
to stake out the crime scene.
They can't arrest him.
They just have her word.
They don't really have anything to arrest him for this point.
She's a victim.
Yeah.
I don't understand that.
Why is this about, is this in LA?
Where are they?
This is in San Diego.
Okay.
Yep.
A month after the incident on October 25th, 1984, the two same police officers were on
the scene of the crime.
And sure enough, Samuel pulled up in his car with yet another woman, Tanya Jackson.
Just came upon him attacking her in the exact same way.
He was quickly taken into custody and authorities collected a DNA sample, whoop, whoop, which
was later uploaded to the National Database.
Awesome.
Tanya survived her attack as well.
And Samuel was-
I would hope so.
I would hope the police didn't stand by until she died.
Did you watch her?
Well, he's really not murdering her.
He's just strangling her.
Jesus.
Now a murder has been committed.
Now we can take him in.
Now we can take over.
Samuel was charged with attempted murder, rape, assault with intent to cause great bodily
injury and other related sexual charges.
Both women testified against Samuel in a joint trial in the mid-1980s.
Why do you look like that?
Don't look like that.
Why do I need to be pissed?
Why do I need to be so mad?
During this trial, Samuel was somehow offered a plea deal and he was given four fucking
years in prison for assault and false imprisonment.
Why not attempted murder was a plea deal?
If this isn't bad enough, he was fucking released in 1987 on good behavior after only
two and a half years.
He only served two and a half years for the attempted murder of two women.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
When his release in February of 1987, Samuel moved to LA and proceeded to murder at least
10 more women.
You know what?
That's just gonna happen now.
You want to commit murders?
You moved to LA.
Literally in the 70s.
In the 70s.
That's what you did.
If you were a serial murderer, you lived in LA at least one or two times throughout
your career.
Two and a half fucking years for the attempted murder of two women and rape and assault and
kidnapping.
After he was already been convicted, tried for two other murders.
Not convicted, but tried for one.
So they now know that this guy, like, is absolutely baffling.
They don't care.
It's just sex workers.
That's why they don't care.
Because it's only sex workers.
On July 13th, 1987, this is literally like three months after he fucking got out, LA
police officer Daryl Lee and his partner responded to a call about a dead body lying in an alleyway
behind a residence on East 27th Street.
Content warning.
Could you imagine being those people?
No, literally.
Just waking up and looking out your back door and just...
She's a fucking body.
An alley.
We have an alley.
Horrifying.
That's full of horror.
Content warning.
Upon arriving at the scene, police came across 41-year-old Carol Eileen Elford.
She was naked from the waist down with her shirt pulled up over her bra.
She was wearing only one sock and no shoes.
The officers also noticed drag marks in the dirt near the woman's feet, suggesting to
them that she had been killed elsewhere and dragged to this location.
Carol's cause of death was determined to be asphyxia as a result of manual strangulation.
She had sustained multiple bruises near her jawline, hemorrhaging in and around her eyes,
and scratches and abrasions to her neck, some of which were caused by fingernails.
Like ow.
Well, that's her trying to...
Yeah.
That's awful.
That's her... like her own defense wounds.
There was also hemorrhaging beneath her scalp, which is consistent with a blow to the head
because he punched her, of course.
In August of 1989, Samuel strangled one Audrey Nelson Everett to death and left her in a
garage.
On September 3rd, 1989, Guadalupe Apodaca was also strangled to death by Samuel and
he left her in a dumpster.
He's just like boom, boom, boom.
Yeah, just willy...
Well, I mean, again, if you've been tried for murder three times, you've gotten away
with it.
Yeah.
There were some women found during the years of 1989 and 1990 that were confirmed victims
of Samuel's.
However, they are all listed as Jane Doe's due to their names being unknown.
I'm sorry, so...
I'm sorry.
Oh, I'm sorry.
This is later on that they became listed as victims.
Uh, his first victim is Wynn, 1970?
Yeah.
And we are in 1990?
Yep.
1990.
It's been 20 years.
Okay.
Just... just make it sure.
Just make it sure.
Okay.
So, they were in different states as Samuel began traveling again.
In 1991, Samuel was driving around in Cleveland, Ohio, once again, and came across a 32-year-old
woman on the side of the road by the name of Rose Evans.
He offered her a ride and when she accepted, he drove her to an abandoned property, strangled
her, and then dumped her body in a vacant lot and covered her with tires.
After this murder, there is actually a gap in the timeline for a few years.
So from like 91 to 94.
On January 1st, 1994, 38-year-old Denise Brothers was reported missing.
Her body ended up being found a month later in Odessa, Texas, the victim of a strangulation.
I know.
This is a lot.
I'm sorry.
It's okay.
I mean, it's not okay.
I'm just saying that it's just incredible that he doesn't... like nobody gives a shit.
Between 1995 and 2005, Samuel continued to kill.
2005.
But there is not much known about these crimes.
There are multiple victims that are suspected victims of Samuel's from 1970 to 1997, including
40 women listed under unnamed.
Other women mentioned that are potential victims of his due to his confessions later on.
Location searches and sketches drawn by Samuel himself are listed below.
What?
Linda, 1971.
These are all in quotes.
Marianne, 1971.
Sarah Brown, 1973.
Emily, mid-70s.
Joe, 1976.
Clara Birdlong, 1977.
Patricia Parker, 1980.
Zina Jones, 1990.
Priscilla Baxter Jones, 1997.
Francis Campbell, 1984.
Granny, 1987.
Jolanda Jones, 1994.
Alice Denise Duvall, 1991.
Roberta Todrich, 1991.
Someone under the alias T-Money.
I don't know.
Let's turn to one of the most hilarious T-Money 1996 and someone named Anne, 1997.
He wrote those out.
Those are names that he gave police, the years that he killed them, and descriptions of them.
Because he remembers all this shit.
That is...
I mean, it took me like how long to read that out.
Yeah.
And that's like a fraction of what he said that he killed.
Although Samuel continued to kill until 2005, his last victim being one Nancy Stevens that
was found on the side of the road in Mississippi, there's not anything documented on him until
2012, showing that somehow he decided to lay low for many years during this time, which
is very odd because he was such a compulsive killer for like 40 fucking years.
Right.
I mean, who knows who's to say that he didn't kill during this time.
Well, how old would he have been then?
Because he was born in 1940.
Mm-hmm.
In late 60s.
Late 60s.
Yeah.
On September 5th, 2012, Samuel was arrested at a homeless shelter in Louisville, Kentucky
with suspicions of a drug charge.
A drug charge.
Not for the fucking 90 people that he murdered, but a drug charge.
We suspect he has cocaine.
Of course, at this time, DNA testing had come a long way, and since they had had his
DNA stored in the database from 1987, he was immediately linked to the murders of Carol
Guadalupe and Audrey from 1987.
Samuel was extradited to California to face these three murder charges.
Well, you know it's not going to get done in California, right?
No, of course not.
Actually, it did.
On January 7th, 2013, Samuel was charged for all three murders from 1987.
A few months later, police stated that Samuel was being investigated for involvement in
three dozen murder cases from 70 to 90 due to his DNA being linked.
Because of this, Melinda LePrie, the one that he got tried for and not, he got acquitted,
her case was reopened.
I'm not sure why the other one wasn't, but hers was.
In total, Samuel was tested for involvement in 93 murders of women committed in 19 different
US states.
With more physical evidence against him, Samuel was finally charged for all three murders
in September 25th, 2014.
2014.
The women who had survived the prior attacks by him all testified against him, and he was
sentenced to three consecutive life sentences without possibility of parole.
That is incredible, right?
For four years, Samuel maintained his innocence and did not speak to anybody about the murders.
Maintained his innocence.
Fuck him.
All of a sudden, it seems, in 2018, in 2018, still alive, Samuel decided that he was going
to confess every detail of his crimes.
Over the years, many detectives had tried to get a confession out of him, but it was
not until James or Jimmy Holland came along that they heard anything.
Who's that?
Jimmy was a Texas Ranger, hell yeah, who came across the cold case of Denise Brothers, the
one from Odessa, Texas in 94.
Jimmy was known around the precinct as a quote, serial killer whisperer of sorts, so it made
sense that he would go and question Samuel.
With the help of the FBI's violent criminal apprehension program, Jimmy was able to talk
to Samuel about various cases that took place all over the country.
Samuel did not give up a confession right away, and Jimmy actually eased into talking
to him, slowly talking about his crimes, and making sure to be super delicate when talking
about the violence of the crimes.
The first interrogation lasted for two and a half hours, and in that time, Samuel actually
began to like Jimmy.
They actually bonded over like spending time in Texas, what kind of sodas they liked, and
nicknames that they were given as children by their parents, which is really weird.
Not weird, but like, you know, not something you'd think of.
Jimmy listened to Samuel as he vented about the different police departments he had come
across.
Oh my god, the police are so bad, even though I fucking murdered 90 people.
Well that's why he's saying that they're bad.
Well I'm just saying, like clearly they're dummies.
Samuel slowly began to give up details about certain crimes he had committed.
He was noted as saying to Jimmy about his murders, quote, it was like drugs, I came
to like it.
By the time the interview was over, Samuel told Jimmy that he quote, stopped counting
the amount of victims he had killed at 84.
He was counting, and he got to 84, and then he lost count.
Like that's so sick.
I don't know, I feel like if that's all you did was kill people, it's literally your life.
You would know.
The next day, Jimmy went back over for another four hour interrogation.
These interrogations continued over the next few months, even taking place in different
states as Samuel was being like, tried for various victims.
Whoa.
And Jimmy just like went with him to keep talking to him.
During these interviews, Samuel opened up about the specific details of each crime.
While he couldn't remember everything, he remembered a remarkable amount of detail of
each woman, what they were wearing, where he met them, their stories, things like that.
He even took it upon himself to draw sketches of women and ended up drawing over 20 sketches
in total that looked like the women that he had killed.
He was like, oh, I remember in 75, here she is, and he gave like literally, yeah, to help,
I guess help identify them.
Although there are dozens of murders that are still cold cases, Samuel's confessions helped
close multiple different open cases over the years, with family members of some victims
being contacted 50 years later.
Could you imagine?
Like 50 years ago.
Like you never know what happened to grandma.
And then you find out 50 years later.
When asked why he seemed to suddenly want to confess, Samuel stated, quote, probably
being numerous people who are been convicted and sent to the penitentiary on my behalf,
I say if I can help get somebody out of jail, you know, God might smile a little bit more
on me.
So he doesn't give a shit about the victims family or the victims.
He's like, oh, that guy might be in jail for the crime I committed.
He needs to be released.
He was also noted as saying, quote, I don't think there was another person who did what
I like to do.
I think I'm the only one in the world and that's not an honor.
That's a curse.
Being in late age at the time of his conviction, Samuel spent many of his later years in poor
health in a wheelchair with diabetes and a heart condition.
Good.
It was not until the early hours of December 30th, 2020 that Samuel passed away from seemingly
natural causes at the age of 80 in the California State Prison one day before the 50th anniversary
of his first murder.
That's serendipitous.
Of all of the murders that were confessed by Samuel, only 60 were confirmed at the time
of his death.
Psychiatrists have named him a sexual serial killer, which I didn't really get a lot of
information on that, but that's a story.
Yeah.
Yeah, he never once talked about stroking.
Yeah, no, I don't want to say choking stroke.
That's fucking gross.
I'm not going to give him that.
Anyways, if I had details on every single person that he killed, we would be here all
day.
We would be here for hours.
Yeah, an entire day probably.
Literally.
That is just so baffling how someone can just...
It was literally boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
How do you not get fucking caught?
Not only are you getting off on these charges, but he was only tried for two actual murders
between the time that he started killing and then 2012.
If he committed 93 times that the police fucked up.
Right.
Well, unfortunately, in sex work, when these people, I will say people because it's not
gender specific, but sex workers, I think they don't really usually have a lot of contact
with their family if they're living on the streets.
They honestly usually aren't reported missing for some days, but sometimes a week, sometimes
a month from a family member or a friend because they are also living a transient lifestyle.
They're also going from one side of the city to the other or another city or hitchhiking,
especially hitchhiking in the 70s, 60s and 70s.
That was a big thing.
I think it's a little bit of that that people weren't reported missing.
I wonder how many of these women were actually ever reported missing.
Well, that's what I'm saying, though, but these bodies had to have been found.
He put them in just random places.
It's not like he had a really great method of hiding.
It also seems like he's also a transient person.
He's also moving around a lot, too.
So I mean, some of the hardest cases ever are serial killers that are truck drivers
because they're constantly going across state lines all the time.
Well, I guess when you think about it, too, and I'm not trying to be ugly at all, but
there's no murder weapon.
Seemingly, someone was choked or strangled that could easily have been an angry client
or something.
It doesn't necessarily mean it's the same guy every time.
That's really awful.
And that's what they say.
He's potentially the most, like, the deadliest serial killer in America.
His numbers make Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer look like fucking nuts.
Like jokes.
Like infants.
Seriously.
They literally says that his number is dwarf there, is what it said.
There's more information.
I didn't include everything that I found, again, for time's sake.
But there was also another journalist or reporter of some sort, a woman that actually, I read
that visited him in jail as well.
And they actually bonded.
And she had asked him at one point, like...
Was it Baba?
Baba Waltas?
It was just some random lady.
But she asked him at one point, like, oh, would I be one of your victims?
Or somehow it came up, like, I'm a woman.
And he's like, oh, no, I wouldn't kill you.
I wouldn't kill someone that's like...
Famous.
You're elevated, you know, in there.
So it's like...
He didn't feel any remorse for this man.
He definitely thought about it.
Oh, no, he didn't.
But then I can't think of, like, what would have happened to me.
That sounds like a case of nature to me.
Or, I mean, nurture as well.
But it's not like he was in foster care his whole life.
His mom did leave, but then he went with his grandparents.
His mother was also a sex worker, too.
You said that.
That's actually really true.
I wouldn't even think about that.
And she traveled around a lot, too.
So maybe he, like, had hatred for his mom and he, like, took it out.
Probably.
He's a woman.
Oh, that's so awful.
I can't imagine that.
That's so awful.
I mean, all of it, like, the whole situation.
But thank God for DNA.
But isn't that wild that he died two years, not even two years, like, almost two years
ago.
Yeah, almost two years ago.
Because he technically, it was, made it to 2021.
He was two days away from 2021.
Yeah.
You know, like...
Ugh.
I hope he got COVID in his butt.
He got the butt COVID.
Got the butt vid.
The butt vid.
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