Hello, I'm Kenna. I'm Koelle and welcome back to diagnosing A Killer
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It's not even a rap. It's just awkward.
Um, hi everyone, how's it going? We are back with my part two of Robert Burdella
I think at the end of the mental breakdown. I was listening back and I said Robert Burdella, so I apologize
That was my case. I don't even know his name
Who?
So before we get started today, I just really quickly wanted to shout out one of the clinicians that I work with
I'm not gonna say her name because I don't know if she's comfortable with that
But I was speaking with her earlier and she said that she started listening and I'm really excited
And she got one of her girlfriends to listen as well
And she was actually talking about when we did the criminalization of mental illness mental breakdown
And she was like this is seriously no judgment
I just want to let you know because I didn't know and my friend taught me something
But I think I recall saying something along the lines of if you are taken into a hospital setting for suicide watch
They keep you for 72 hours and then they release you
That's actually incorrect. This person does work with an inpatient facility and it may be different per facility
But at least for this one
They actually keep you for 72 hours at the most but afterwards if they still think that you are needed or even if they don't
They will actually refer you to an inpatient facility or an outpatient facility to get ongoing mental health care
So I think that's really cool. I didn't know yeah
It kind of sounds like obvious, but you know, sometimes it doesn't maybe we maybe the assumption that I should
have so yeah, unfortunately, you know in the case of Andre Thomas nobody really followed up with him and then
It was also that uh, the british guy was uh, alexander alexander
Renwell, I think Renwell Lewis Renwell Lewis Renwell hyphen
Yeah, wow, we're like that's Wednesday wedding
Yeah, but I guess I made the assumption that that's the case in every situation which
Thankfully, it's not so thank you for that little piece of information that was really kind of nice to hear actually like okay
No, we don't just throw people to the curb
But unfortunately it does happen in certain cases like that
Um, well that being said, I think we're gonna get right into part two. We talked about
Robert Bridella last time we talked about his uh, first six victims
He we talked about how he had his little mo that was kind of changing but was usually pretty similar
I think we left off talking about uh, Christopher Bryson. It was the last victim and um
The kind escape yes, and how uh, the last thing that
Bronella said
Was quote I've gotten this far with other people before and they're dead now because of mistakes they made
I hate that I hate that so much
Yeah, so so we're just gonna go ahead and get started with part two
We're gonna pick up right where we left off
Now by the third day of his capture Christopher Bryson had earned Robert's trust
And he was actually able to convince him to establish a daily routine
Of tying his hands in front of him after he was abused rather than above his head into the bed like he had done in the past
Christopher's reasoning being that it was restricting the circulation to his arms
And I guess at this point maybe Robert felt some sympathy for him question mark
I don't know we can't assume that that guy's capable of sympathy right of course
Yeah, but I guess like he started trusting him and he's like oh it's like a mutable trust thing
Yeah, he's not gonna do this growth. Yeah, which is disgusting
I trust you enough to wrap your hands in front of you than behind you. Yeah
Yeah, this is all this privilege you get exactly
Now along with this Christopher had also actually convinced Robert to leave the tv on in the room
With the remote control left between his legs whenever Robert left the room so that he could like control the tv obviously
So Christopher later stated that he almost consistently was thinking about ways to escape like almost constantly
And regardless of how submissive he was pretending to be he was always in the back of his mind trying to figure out
Okay, how the hell so I get out of here as one would yeah now the following day
This is now day four of his capture
Christopher noticed a book of matches that was accidentally left in the room by Robert when he left for work
Well, you work for a few hours at a time. So this is like looking pretty good, right?
He was somehow able to get one of the matches lit
I'm not sure how but he's a bad bitch and using that
He actually burned through the rope that held his hands together and was able to break free bad bitch
All right, so after getting out of the restraints Christopher bravely jumped from the second story window
Wearing nothing but a dog collar around his neck. We talked about that in part one
And also breaking a bone in his foot in the process
Ouch
Oh, no
Oh this poor guy at least he got out late
This is when he spotted the parking meter attendant and shouted for the man to call the police
The meter attendant led Christopher to the house
He had been approaching where they promptly called the police who arrived minutes later
When the police arrived they questioned Christopher for nearly four hours
He initially claimed that he had been hitchhiking when Robert picked him up and abducted him
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After picking him up Christopher stated that Robert kidnapped raped and tortured him for four days before he escaped
As Christopher spoke the officers noted that along with the dog collar and broken foot bone
He had also had red swollen eyes and visible scars and welts over his entire body
Two of the four officers at the scene were informed to maintain a discrete surveillance of Robert's property
One officer accompanied Christopher to the ER and the last officer radioed the Kansas City Police Department
To request a formal search warrant of the property to be written up so that they had it when they arrived
Upon arriving to the hospital police were able to get more information from Christopher
He explained that along with all of the abuse
Robert had also shown him photos of other men who appeared to be deceased
He stated that Robert told him that these had been previous individuals
He had unsuccessfully attempted to quote
collect
as his sexual slaves
the collect ah
the collect word comes back
Furthermore Christopher stated that Robert told him he had no intention of ever allowing him to leave his home
And he claimed to have killed the other men who became a nuisance to him
He also told Christopher he would do the same to him if he acted the same way as the previous victims
That is awful
Isn't that so scary to hear though?
That's just sad
That's like this is what I've done and what I'm capable of and this is what's gonna happen to you if you don't cooperate
What would you do?
That is so terrifying
Like you know that that person is capable of such acts that he's you know saying
But I'm you know, I'm wondering if that's not also
It's like kind of like a
Like a fear tactic
Like what well for for Robert? Yes, but in Christopher's mind, it's like what do I have to lose then like I'm gonna plan my escape
That's because the only other alternative is death. You know, like might as well go out fighting
Yeah, if I am well, thank good for freaking him. He made it the same afternoon that Christopher escaped police arrested Robert on charges of sexual assault against him
When he declined to allow officers in his home, they had received the search warrant right about the same time and were able to go ahead and enter the residence anyways
Middle fingers. Yeah
Middle fingers, no one can see you
A metal tray containing syringes, small bottles that looked like they were holding prescription drugs, cotton swabs and eye drops were also close to the bed
The posts on the bed were also noted to be extensively worn leading investigators to believe that restraints had been tied to them recently and multiple times with victims trying to escape from them
So fucking awful
Content warning this does get pretty graphic so I will just put a big content warning right here
During the search of the rest of the house investigators discovered a human skull inside of a closet on the second floor and another partially decomposed head was found in the backyard
The search also uncovered several human vertebrae that were noticeably scarred by both hacksaw and knife marks
Along with this there were two separate envelopes found containing several human teeth
Both a hacksaw and a miter saw were found in the basement along with a chainsaw that was covered in blood, flesh and pubic hair
A chainsaw
Illuminal tests later determined that the basement as well as both trash cans outside were covered in blood
In the home in multiple different locations investigators found 334 Polaroid pictures and 34 snapshot prints of various male victims
These pictures showed Christopher Bryson and several other men in both life and death and many images had been taken as subjects were tortured
Lastly the search discovered numerous restraints, sexual devices, pornographic literature, a book on narcotics and hypodermic needles
Perhaps the most eerie find however, the Journal of Roberts with intimate details of each victim and their torture logs
Inside there were also several newspaper clippings from the Kansas City Star regarding a missing young man, Jerry Howell
A wallet and driver's license for James Ferris were also discovered
So this motherfucker took out newspaper clippings from his first victim that he abducted and was just like hanging onto them for keepsake
How does that house not fucking smell? I said it in the first episode, I'm gonna say it in this one too
How do you walk in there and not be like, this smells like death, like puke and shit and blood and death
Like how does that enrotten shit?
But like the outside of his house was all unkempt too, maybe they thought he was a nasty fuck, I mean he was
Don't go in that house, that's where the witch lives
But seriously, how do you not, and that he opened his house to all different types of people and like who'd want to stay there?
Like how do you not walk in that house and just smell the nastiness?
But when you think about it, the people that he was abducting and letting stay at his home were transient, like people that were down on their luck
People that probably didn't have any money or probably really didn't give a shit where they were staying
Roof over their head, oh yeah
Before the search of the property had concluded, the Kansas City Police Department had assembled a task force of 11 detectives and one sergeant to focus solely on this case
This group was tasked with looking into Robert's history and discovered that he was a well-known individual among the male prostitutes in town
And had earned a reputation for praying on young men
Sorry, I don't mean to laugh, but yeah, they never suspected it
He was an upstanding citizen, for sure, he just had a reputation about, you know, creepy
In fact, most of the men involved in this community stated that they were reluctant to accept him as a client
Because he was considered very strange when it came to his interactions, but also that he was a known suspect in the disappearance of Jerry and James
So, like, known to the community or known to the fucking police?
No, known to the community, the community was like, why isn't anybody arrested this dude yet?
And the police were like, oh, I don't know, he's a stand-up guy
I don't know, he's a stand-up guy, yeah
Oh my god
In fact, he was on the neighborhood watch or something, right? Wasn't he like neighborhood watch?
He was like the head of the neighborhood watch
He like owned the thing
He invented it
In fact, during the original investigation of these two missing men, Robert was taken in for questioning on two different occasions and denied any involvement both times
Remember earlier in part one that I said that he wasn't ever suspected?
I was incorrect
He was?
He was, multiple times, apparently
According to my research that I did
That I did
On which cases?
Jerry and James
The two people that he was suspected of in the community
Despite being considered a suspect and even being put under surveillance for a short period of time, police were unable to find any solid evidence linking him to either men's disappearance
And in both cases, Robert refused to speak with police without a lawyer moving forward
He would later even have his lawyer reach out to police and inform them that they would be filing a harassment complaint against them if their questioning did not cease
Oh my god, but isn't that so typical of someone who is like a pathological liar and guilty?
And guilty is what they're like
Yeah
No, everything that they said, they actually did to me
Seriously
You don't understand
Exactly
Content warning for this next part
When the police finally were able to identify the victims based on evidence, they contacted the families to get confirmation of identity
James Ferris' wife identified him in several photos found at the property, including some taken after death
Paul Howell formally identified one picture of a young man hanging upside down in Robert's basement as Jerry Howell
Several other photos had been assigned to detectives to determine if the victim was alive or deceased in the photo
And if they were alive to determine the circumstances of the photo, what was happening at the time it was taken
Like if it was a consensual sex act or whatever
Okay
Get this
Several of these images had even depicted some body parts of the photographer
So on April 13th, Robert was ordered to pose nude for a series of photographs in order so the position of his body would match the unidentified person taking the photos
Damn
And it matched the shape and size of his ugly ass
Damn
That's savage
Isn't that wild?
What a fucking idiot, like let me just put like my penis in here that they can totally identify
We probably never thought that he would have to pose nude in front of a bunch of police officers and then reenact it
I hope they gave him the old squat and cough
It's like
I hope they gave him the good ol' whoopsy daisy
Oh my god
They gave him the ring the doorbell ding dong
Numerous male names had been found scribbled on various pieces of paper in the home as well
So detectives tracked these men down as well in order to see if they knew anything
One of the individuals was able to be tracked down by the name of Freddie Kellogg
He was able to inform detectives that he and several other young men had intermittently stayed with Robert since the early 1980s
And that Robert was known for giving his lodgers drugs typically intravenously before engaging in sex with them with or without consent
Damn
So on top of all this, he's been a creep way before he started killing people
Yeah, he doesn't end people just didn't say anything about it
Raping people
That's horrible
Freddie also stated that one of the conditions for him to stay with Robert was for him to persuade young men that Robert found attractive to come to the house and attend parties
And Robert found out that any of these men were police informants, he would use this knowledge as a tool to blackmail the young men to his advantage
In addition to this information, Freddie was also able to identify three other young men in the photographs, Todd Stoops, Robert Sheldon, and Larry Wayne Pearson
Investigators would later discover that Robert had paid a $30 fee to secure a bond for Larry in June 1987 and no further records existed to indicate that Larry was still alive following this record
Remember when he bailed him out of jail and then he decided to kidnap him on the way home?
Yeah
So after that, there was no paper trail for Larry
So that was how they put it together that he was the last person to see him alive
Wow
So after that, investigators did find out that in August of 1987, Robert had filed an assault report from a hospital in which he alleged a man named Larry Pearson had deeply bitten his penis during oral sex causing a serious laceration
I forgot about that
He already murdered him at this point
Now he's literally legally filing an assault report on someone that he knows is deceased
That's, yeah, that's
That is beyond my comprehension
Again, it's the cover-up thing
It's like, you know
It's the narcissism
Yeah
They're never gonna find out
Yeah, exactly
But I have to file, well, you know, somebody clearly assaulted my pain
My manhood
And now I have to, you know, if I don't file assault charges, it's gonna look weird
You know what I mean?
I don't know
They should have just cut it off
Sorry, it's too wounded, we gotta get you off
On top of this, an interview with Robert Sheldon's employers had confirmed that he had been a reliable employee until he suddenly stopped showing up in April of 1985
Further...burying
Right
Robert
Shortly after the search of the property, Robert was informed as to what the detectives had found
What?
That's odd
That's weird, a skull in my closet?
Hmm
I don't remember leaving that behind
The same afternoon that he agreed to pose for the reenactment photos, investigators attempted to conduct their first official interview with him, where Robert invoked his right to silence
They were also going to attempt to get handwriting samples from him in order to compare it to the journal, but he refused to cooperate and was therefore sentenced to sixth months in jail for contempt of court
Hell yeah
So they got him on something, right? Which honestly, like, that's kind of genius because they're like, okay, well, you're gonna fucking jail anyways, asshole
Right
You might as well think about what you've done and confess
Yeah, you might as well cooperate
Robert was initially charged with one count of felonious restraint, one count of assault, and seven counts of forcible sodomy
He was assigned a temporary public defender as his legal representation and held in custody at a Jackson County jail in lieu of a $500,000 bail
I did the...what is it? Conversionary?
Hmm
That would be $1.1 million today
Damn
Late April, the skull found inside Robert's closet was identified via x-ray as that of Robert Sheldon
Hmm
The same day, two men separately phoned the police department to state that one of the seven young men depicted in the photos was a former high school friend of theirs named Mark Wallace
Detectives got in touch with Mark's sister who confirmed that he had been missing since mid-1985. Shortly after, investigators discovered that photograph labeled D released to the media was one Larry Pearson
Robert would be formally charged with the murder by dismemberment of Larry in July after the head discovered in his backyard was formally identified as Larry's on May 12
On July 22, 1988, a grand jury formally indicted Robert for the murder of Larry Wayne Pearson. The following month, he was arraigned and pleaded guilty to the first degree murder of Larry Pearson
Oh, he admitted it
He pleaded guilty
The plea of guilty was entered following a late morning recess in the arraignment hearing and came as a shock to both the judge and prosecuting attorneys
He was not going to plead guilty, then they went to a mid-morning recess and he came back and all of a sudden he's like, guilty
Yeah, I did it
Yeah
God
Following the submission and acceptance of the plea, the judge insisted that Robert confess under oath to Pearson's death
Content morning, in response to questioning, Robert stated, quote, I put a plastic bag over his head and tied it with rope and allowed him to suffocate
When asked if he performed this act deliberately and with malice afterthought, Robert simply stated, quote, yes
He was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole
Upon being sentenced, he was taken to the Missouri State Penitentiary but was later temporarily placed in protective custody at the Potosi Correctional Center due to concerns for his safety
Oh, whoopie
He's so concerned for his safety
He's good
They gave him the electric treatment
Gave him the electric, whoopsy daisy, in the butthole
What's that going to say?
No
A second guilty plea was submitted on August 24th, earning Robert a second life term for one charge of forcible sodomy against Christopher Bryson and he would also receive a further term of seven years pertaining to one court of felonious restraint against Christopher
Despite initially pleading not guilty to the other five murders on September 13th, 1988, because why would you...
I don't get that
Like, you know, I killed two people but not seven
But not seven, that's ridiculous
Yeah, why would I?
How would I do that?
Despite initially not pleading guilty with the agreement of his two attorneys, Robert ultimately conducted a plea bargain with prosecutors to avoid the death penalty in the case of the remaining five murders. As part of the plea bargain, Robert agreed to confess in graphic detail as to whom he had killed, what indignities he had subjected each victim, how he killed each victim, and what he had done with their bodies.
These confessions were given to prosecutors between December 13th and December 15th, 1988
So it took him two days to explain all of this to them
In return, prosecutors agreed not to seek the death penalty
On December 19th, 1988, Robert formally waived his rights to be tried for any of the outstanding murder charges upon the understanding that he was to be convicted of one further count of first degree murder for Robert Sheldon and four counts of second degree murder
Which is bullshit
How could it possibly be second degree murder?
It's a plea
That's just how those things frickin work
He formally pleaded guilty to these charges before Judge Robert Myers
Members of the public were actually prevented from attending the hearing with only family members of the victims and news reporters allowed to be present
But news reporters
Yeah, right
Nobody else can be here
Public can't be in here, but news reports
Alright
In response to the guilty pleas, Judge Myers imposed five further concurrent life sentences with an additional condition barring any future prospect of parole, meaning a.k.a. he would never ever get out
Yeah
They go on to explain his confessions which are laid out in detail online, but for time's sake and for the sake of not being graphic, I'm not going to explain each of them, but you can definitely find that online if you want
I will state, however, that although police extensively searched for the remains of the victims throughout their initial investigations, the confession Robert provided confirmed that the dismembered bodies were stowed in trash bags and taken to the landfill and therefore they were never recovered
So sad
It gets worse
Because you're going to be pissed
God damn it
In the years following his convictions and incarceration, Robert granted an interview to a TV station and corresponded with a number of different individuals. To all concerned, he attempted to restore his image as a quote, sensitive citizen who has simply quote, made mistakes in committing his crimes
What the fuck ever
I'm just a sensitive citizen and I just made some mistakes
Using your debit card too many times and then you go into the grocery store and then you go to check out and your card is declined. That's a mistake
That's a mistake
He further claimed that he had been unfairly demonized by the media before, during, and after his hearings and plea bargains
Oh, and get this, he also claimed that police ineptitude had resulted in his being allowed to remain at liberty following his first murder
Oh my god, okay, no, that's like, that's the whole um
Well you let me out so I did it again
Well you let me do it
Like the police were so dumb
I mean
He's not wrong
That's terrible
He's not wrong
Well, I mean
He was questioned for two disappearances in the beginning
And then they just let him go
But that doesn't mean that he should be like, oh, okay, that's his excuse though, is that he's like, oh, they didn't figure it out soon enough
So what was I supposed to do? I guess I'm just supposed to keep killing people
Keep moiterin'
Oh, get this, he also lodged multiple complaints with prison officials regarding prison conditions
Are you upset that you don't have a soft bed so you're an advocate now?
He also wrote several letters to the local prison minister claiming that prison officials knew of his high blood pressure
Yet were not providing him with his medication
Oh my god, wait, oh, wait, he's high blood pressure
Is that why he wouldn't become a five-star athlete?
Literally
This pisses me off
In 1992, Robert contacted the counselor who he first met when he became incarcerated, Reverend Roger Coleman
He informed Coleman of his distress due to the staff withholding his medication
At 2pm on October 8th, 1992, Robert complained to prison staff of chest pains and was taken to the infirmary
Get it, boy
Medical staff determined his heart was unstable and called EMS
He was taken to the hospital in Columbia, Missouri, where he was pronounced dead from a heart attack at 3.55pm at the age of 43
He outlived his dad
That's amazing
Shortly after his death, the judge at his trial, Alvin Randall, was informed and sarcastically responded with, quote, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy
Oh, savage, bruh
Your honor
Your majesty
That's fucking badass
Damn, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy
According to published reports, although Robert had a depressive personality disorder, he was also diagnosed a sexual sadist who gained extreme sexual excitation from the humiliation, pain, and torture to which he had subjected his victims
On top of this
Is that a midi-ethan-5?
It is, I looked it up
On top of this, despite his claims to media individuals, he never expressed any degree of remorse for his actions and referred to his victims as, quote, play toys in an interview he granted shortly before his death
Not experiments
In November of 1988, auctions of Robert's vast collection of antiques were held on four separate dates, with the intention that all proceeds raised be used to pay his high legal fees
The auction attracted considerable interest across America and even overseas, because you know who he had, you know, contacts
Yeah
By the end of the first day, more than $60,000 or $137,000 today was raised
His house was also purchased by a local businessman and demolished
Hell yeah
Fuck yeah
I'm sure it's not like piss and vinegar
He wants to be in there
By the time of Robert's arrest, he had abducted, tortured, and murdered at least six young men. In addition, more than 20 different men were depicted in the polaroids found on the property
Although Robert claimed he only murdered six of the men total
Oh my god, you're such a freaking angel
Bless you
Bless you, sir
His victims are as follows Jerry Howell 19 Robert Sheldon 20 Mark Wallace 27 James Ferris 25 Todd Stoops 23 Larry Wayne Pearson 20 and Christopher Bryson who escaped 22
So that is the end of the Robert Bridella story
What an intense case
Right
This is one I had not heard of
Oh yay, I found one I didn't know about
I didn't know about this one hardly at all either I knew a little bit about it but not definitely not as much
Yeah
But very interesting
I think it's kind of a bummer that he just suffered from a heart attack
It's too kind
Yeah, I think so too
I mean
I just, I like, what a weird like psychology of it all because he's still even after his arrest and being in prison for murder
He's still trying to like do his due diligence as a kind of like upstanding citizen
Yeah
It's very interesting
It was really weird to me how it was like, okay this like stand up dude like family man even though he had never family but you know what I mean like the ambiance of the word like you know community asset
You know things like this and then it almost seems like all of the sudden turned murderer and then after he got caught it was like a switch back
Yeah
And then all of that has to do with the depressive personality disorder maybe he was, I don't want to excuse it of course but maybe during this time that he was abducting these men he was going through a depressive state
And maybe that kind of triggered something or maybe vice versa maybe he was going through a manic state and when he wasn't he was going through the other stuff
Like manic or anxiety or whatever and that's you know that sense of control
Yeah
Because I've heard a lot of things about sexual sadism that doesn't necessarily always include murder I mean of course there's been some people in the past that have taken it to an extreme
But I feel like that doesn't equal murder like
Yeah I thought sexual sadism was more of the fact that like you get the high off of like a sexual experience of some type and then you are always looking to like push the envelope like I think there was that one guy that he found that he really liked cutting himself
And so but he eventually cut his entire body up so badly that he bled to death
Oh my gosh
But it escalated so quickly you know and so that I thought was more attached to the sexual sadism
Well when I've heard
Then doing it to someone else
Yeah
But I mean like I said it's pushing the envelope just with someone else I guess
Well when I've heard the sexual sadism thing in the past as well and it has been with someone else I've always heard of like not always but there's been times I've heard of consensual things like that like they want to
inflict pain on someone and they find someone that is willing to be that person that they can do that to you
And that's usually enough but in this case it was like and it wasn't even like okay there's my guy I'm gonna go get him bring him back with me and then do this plan it was like oh well he's here
He's drunk enough
Exactly like it was so odd
It was opportunistic about it
Yeah
Which makes to me seem more just like of an indicative of just a traditional serial killer but you know what I mean like someone that's opportunistic
Yeah
Like you know I think we mentioned Ted Bundy although I didn't mean to mention Ted Bundy in the first episode I was definitely talking about Dahmer because I Googled that afterwards
But with Ted Bundy he was opportunistic he would go to the beach and he would find someone that would follow him or whatever
Yeah or Charlie Manson even
Yeah
Like people that would be willing to just fall all over him and be right there
Yeah
He had to work for it you know like that sounds kind of bad
He didn't kill anybody though
Yeah
But he was a manipulator and I feel like he used people that would gravitate towards him in order to control them
Right yeah yeah and he controlled with the mind not necessarily physically
We definitely didn't talk about Charlie Manson
Did you know that Charlie Manson's mom once sold him for a pint of beer?
I believe that
She did
She got him back
Well I think that he said that his mom was a prostitute
Yeah she was a wild one
Yeah
That's wonderful
Hey thank you guys for
On that note
Prostitution
Thank you guys for joining us for another part two or another two parter there has been a couple so maybe we should do that
So maybe we should do some small cases
Yeah
For the next couple just to kind of ease the weight and the you know
Setting on the next subject
Already on my next subject
So yeah
And I think it'll just be one
Yeah
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