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Hello! Hello! I'm Koelle. And I'm Kenna. Welcome back to diagnosing a killer.

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This has been a minute. Yeah. We're back! Woohoo! So much has changed.

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Well, not really. We're just really busy. Yeah, really busy. Too busy. Too too busy. Just too busy.

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I think for the past three or four weeks we've been like, okay we're gonna record this week and then

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it comes to the day we come to the room and we're like, yeah I have so much to do. I have so much

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to do. But we finally got part two finished and I'm really excited to hear it because just like

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the listeners I have no idea what's gonna happen. So let's get on with it. So when we last left off

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I think Andre had about 16 victims around this time. So this is still in 1983. And meanwhile

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police have actually continued to capture criminals. People are continuously like confessing to crimes

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they didn't commit. IDK. Like his crimes? Yeah, they were trying to claim that his crimes were other

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or that yeah were theirs. I never understand that. Like why would you want, I know that like one of the

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gains I guess from that is like popularity quote unquote not really like infamous like you know

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but other than that what the fuck would you want to do? I've seen, I've heard stories or seen cases

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where people do it to like scare someone. Like they're like, I don't remember who it was but it

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was somebody that was at a bar and was like, oh yeah I totally killed that person when they didn't

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and it was like to gloat or to seem dangerous to the person that they're talking to. I don't

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know man. I think it's a stupid thing to take credit for. And then I also think that there's

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some people that just want a place to stay and eat. That's true. I can see like people that have

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been in prison like their whole lives kind of wanting to go back because that makes sense. Like

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that's their routine, that's their you know, it's familiar. Right. Of course bodies continue to pile

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up because Andre has not been caught and he just keeps like the amount of times that he kills

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increases per year for the most part if you look at it. So in September of 1983 he actually continued

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his rampage, his next notable victim and again just for time's sake this is not out of disrespect

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for any of the victims but I want to kind of keep it because we still have a lot left. So

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I definitely you know I'm not going to go, I'm not going to name every victim

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but I'm going to do most notables or things where the MO's kind of mixed up a little bit.

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So his next victim was a 19 year old prostitute named Vera and Vera was again and I said this

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in the last episode this is pretty much just going to be a content warning especially for this first

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half of the podcast episode because I won't talk too much into the details but as it pertains to

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each victim maybe. So she was mutilated in his usual MO however her eyes weren't touched and

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do you remember in the last episode when he had damaged the eyes of some of the victims out of

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potentially the superstition that you know the Russian superstition that your last moments are

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imprinted on the back of your eyes. So her eyes were left alone which again we're not really sure

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if it was a time thing like maybe he was about to be caught or whatever. She's one of the only

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victims that didn't have their eyes mutilated. So two months later a boy named Sergey he was 14

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and he was found by a rural train station after heading home from working some odd jobs around

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the area. So he had been emasculated and he suffered over 70 wounds before being eviscerated.

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Yeah it's really sad. So that actually completes 1983. Oh thank god okay. Gosh what's coming?

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So in January and February Andrei killed two more women. One was in Natalia who was 17 and she was

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actually a friend of one of Andrei's previous victims two years later. Does he know? Did he

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know or was it just right? I don't know. I don't think he did. I think it was just like a coincidence.

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That's scary. But isn't that scary? Like your friend went missing or was murdered two years before

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that and like how do you not worry about that and then you are put in the same situation? That is

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terrifying. So the second victim was actually a woman. Her name was Martha and this was Andrei's

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oldest victim. She was 44. She was the one that was friends of the... No this is a different... So

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one was murdered in January, one was murdered in February. Oh I see. So the young girl who was 17

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was the one that was the friend of the previous victim. This is another woman. Her name is Martha

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and she was 44 and that's the oldest person he ever killed. That's odd. Other than that I think

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maybe 27 was probably the next youngest. I wonder if that was like a... I don't want to say accidental

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but like it seems so close to the one before and it seems so out of his MO. Maybe he like

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got mad and like lost control or like something happened that he was like fuck it. Just gonna do

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this here. Like that's I mean that's awful to think about it that way but you know who knows

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like why that's changed. Yeah and I think of course like he has a type right. He has a type that he

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likes to kill presumably. In March of 1984 Andre actually came across a 10 year old named Dimitri.

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He was standing near a stamp like a stamp kiosk and he struck up a conversation with the boy

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over stamp collecting until he was ultimately lured from the area. That is like so innocent.

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It like hurts my heart. It's sad. It's sad. Like this little kid just wanted to talk about his

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stamps. He was so excited about it. He was actually spotted by a few witnesses around the area and

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they were able to give police a description of Andre. So something kind of came out of that.

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However it didn't stop the murder. Dimitri was found three days later. But this was actually one

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of the more substantial scenes as far as forensics go. So at the scene they found footprints,

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semen samples and saliva all taken at the scene which was like the first time that they had really

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collected anything. So in May Andre actually killed a woman named Tatiana and she was murdered

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with a hammer in front of her 10 year old daughter. Isn't that the same name as his sister?

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Oh yeah it is. Wow what a dick. Yeah it is. But yeah she was murdered in front of her 10 year

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old daughter named Svetlana and then he proceeded to kill Svetlana. And again content warning he

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actually decapitated her so her head wasn't found until several days later. That's so awful.

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But this case was actually interesting because it was found out years later during the investigation

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that Tatiana and Svetlana actually knew Andre for like several years before they were dead.

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So it was clearly somebody that the mother trusted, that Tatiana trusted. I mean to bring her 10

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year old around him for an extended period of time you have to have somewhat of a trust or

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knowledge of who that person is. Right. So by the end of July Andre would actually kill three more

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victims 21 year old Yelena, 13 year old Dimitri who was actually headed to receive a health certificate

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for summer camp on his way from being lured. And then a 19 year old named Anna who was headed

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home from the dentist. Just like such casual things like everyday things. You're just trying to get

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on the bus or the train. So by the summer Andre was actually fired from his job as a supply clerk

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for allegedly stealing which is something that he denies. It was probably workplace harassment.

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Probably yeah he said that he was he never stole but that's why he was fired. And by August he

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actually found work in the same field. So the day after he finds his new job Andre attacks and kills

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a 16 year old girl named Natalia in a park. She was on her way to visit her sister at the time.

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Yeah scouts on her. I never stole anything but I just killed all the people. I just murdered people.

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Like I'm not a thief though. I'm not a thief. That's one thing I am not. I'm not a thief and I am

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not a liar sir. What the hell. So this will be five days later on the 7th he would kill again.

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This time it was a 17 year old named Ludmilla. He's going like real real hard. Real hard. Like

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what is this. You said it's June by now and that's like eight victims already. Well okay so we had

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the two women at the beginning right at the beginning. So that would have been

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January and February was Natalia and Marta the older lady. Then in March. So it's basically once a

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month here. So then Dmitri was in March. The mother daughter that was in May.

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And then by the end of July he would have three more. Yeah so May I think all three of them were

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in July around the same time. So this is by the summer. July this is probably I think August

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first was when he got the job and August second was when he would kill Natalia.

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Yeah. Jesus. Andre actually lured Ludmilla with his usual ammo. He knew a shortcut rather than

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taking the bus or whatever it was. Ludmilla was actually slashed at and then she was dismembered.

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However this time it would be shown through examination that he cut her in a very methodical

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way. It looked like he had tortured her before. So they were cuts that weren't meant to kill.

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And this is like one of the first times again that he's changing up this ammo. Yeah he's

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experimenting which is disgusting. Right. So mere hours after the attack on Ludmilla,

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Andre actually boarded a flight for a business trip to Uzbekistan. Hours. He's like yeah boss

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just running late I'm just gonna go dismember someone real quick. Just gonna dismember someone.

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Oh gotta catch a flight. That's so sick. He would kill twice while he was on his business trip.

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One was an unidentified young lady about 20 to 25 years old who was found on the banks of a river.

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She was killed somewhere between the eighth and the eleventh. This would be like yes. And she

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went unidentified. So the second victim was 10 year old Akmeral who had actually run away from home

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and she was lured off a train by Andre. She was killed on the 13th and was found in a cornfield

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within the day. So once returning home on the 28th of August Andre would kill an 11 year old

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named Alexander. He was attacked on the banks of a river and he was left mere yards away from where

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he had killed and left Ludmilla's body. Oh my god. Just three weeks earlier. That was the one that he

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killed before he left. This is like okay first of all why the fuck have they caught this guy yet.

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And second of all like he is so all over the place and sporadic. It seems like with all of these

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like back to back to back obviously you can't wait to kill. How has he not gotten caught or left

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any more evidence in that. That's ridiculous. I will get to that. I'm gonna tell you how.

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So on September 6th Irina was on her way to the sauna when she encountered Andre. She was

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attacked and killed in the same park that had previously seen at least six other of his victims.

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Bro monitor the fucking park. There's six other victims there. Right. Oh my god. So at this point

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Andre has now claimed 32 lives. Jesus. Andre wouldn't kill again for almost a year. What?

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That's weird. Why do you ask? One fateful day on September 13th 1984 a week after killing Irina

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Andre was spotted by two detectives posing that were posed undercover at a bus station. Okay so

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he was attempting to talk to young women and lure them away from the area right.

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This attempt was unsuccessful and Andre began to like walk through the city and attempting to

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talk to more girls and young women as he walked. What a fucking creep. He was also noticed by the

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detectives as committing acts of um, frotuism. Farting? No. Frotuism. Fla-chuism. Basically he

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was attempting to rub himself on people without them noticing. How would you not notice something?

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Like like when you're bumping through a crowd and you just are like grazing yourself on people

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that's what he was doing. Get your parts away from me. That is so gross. Your lack of parts. Also

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he's never sorry but like no boner over here like only ever jizz with violence so what is his goal?

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I think it's the fact that it because it's not consensual like in his mind. So gross. Isn't that

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gross? That's literally so gross. So gross. So after seeing this the detectives took Andre into

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custody and when Andre was searched the officers found an eight inch blade, lengths of rope and

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like my opinion the creepiest part is a jar of lubricant. I know. Like if somebody was checking

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out in the hardware store and they had like a hammer and like some robe and a blade and then

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a jar of actually like oh god. Ew what was he doing with that? So once taken into jail for holding

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they actually discovered that Andre was wanted for outstanding issues with the previous employer

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that had accused him of theft. So the one that he claimed like he didn't steal. So this actually

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gave investigators- I didn't steal anything. So but it actually gave investigators more time to

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hold Andre. They began to like uncover more about Andre's past including the accusations of

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misconduct with his students. Remember? Finally. I know right? Jesus. So he actually also matched

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the description that the witnesses had given that was luring Demetria away right? Don't say.

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It's all coming again. Well what a coincidence we arrested that guy over there that said he did it.

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I mean that has to be it. It looks nothing like him. So with this police had probable cause to

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obtain a DNA sample from Andre. Oh they found the DNA in the last scene. However the DNA that

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Andre provided did not match the DNA collected at Demetria's murder scene. Ew no. Medical examiners

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had actually collected six different samples from various scenes and although this actually worked

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to connect all six of these crimes together and absolve other suspects that had you know confessed

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or whatever it is. All six were classified as AB type. Andre's blood type is A. So he took blood

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from someone else? Where was I? At this point police had no other choice at this moment but to

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dismiss him as the killer. Well his DNA didn't match. What are you gonna do about it? How- no

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no that's bullshit. How did they not just take his blood in front of- like did they take his blood

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for him or did he just give them some blood? Like hey me this at 2 p.m. in the cafeteria just give

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us some blood. It gets better. It gets better. So the DNA that was collected at all six of these

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crime scenes matched each other. Yeah. So they all know they're looking for one killer for all these

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cases but it wasn't him. Okay so they did take it from him but it's just not matching. So that is his

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blood matching the crime scenes. Yes. Yes. So at this point again like I said police dismissed him

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but Andre was indeed charged for the theft with the encounter with a previous employee

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and with this Andre was actually stripped of his Communist Party membership and you remember

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how important that was to him. You know like that. He did not like that. He was actually ordered to

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serve one year in prison but was released in just three months. For what? No I'm sure for good

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good behavior or some shit. Didn't say. What? I'm sure. During this time police would actually

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officially link 23 victims as being killed by the same perpetrator. So during this time they're

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connecting all of these dots. And they had him in custody and they let him fucking go. After three

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months yeah. Okay you know how many times that happens? Like that's so crazy how often that

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happened in like the 80s. Yeah well what's interesting about it is that it does seem like

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Andre does like maybe one a month you know or maybe well sometimes there was like three but

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you know the spacing wouldn't be unusual. For him to be going missing for like three months it wouldn't

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be unusual that there was no that there was no yeah because maybe they just didn't find a victim

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during that time. Yeah but the fact that his DNA didn't match the crime scene is like

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frustrating because they could have caught him right there. Right. So at this time

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Andre becomes very savvy and he becomes cautious so he starts switching up his locations

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from where he's killing people. So due to this there's a very real speculation how many victims

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Andre actually had. So he had 15 victims in 1984 alone and in 1985 he would have two. What?

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So he would yeah so he went from killing 15 people in one year to killing two the next year

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because he became very cautious. He became very aware. That's odd that he is able to control

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himself like that. Right. Especially without how impulsive he was in the previous year. Right.

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So the next time that it's documented that he actually killed someone wasn't until 1987 but

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again there's speculation of whether or not he actually committed any murders in 1986. So in

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1987 he would kill three but all three were murdered on business trips and nowhere in no

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rust off. Because he was getting nervous. Because he was nervous. Yeah that's where he was living.

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He continued to see the same MO though so he like he picks up his victims

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from either bus stations or train stations and then he mutilates the victims before and after

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death. So the following year in 1988 he would begin killing in his own city again. So he would

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have three victims and although two of those victims could not be linked to the serial killings at

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the time the third left no doubt in the investigator's minds that the killer was actually back

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due to the severity of the crime and what it looked like. So 1989 he would have another

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five victims and again only two would be linked to the killer. My god. Right. How many people is

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at this time? Like Jesus it's like 50 people. Well that's maybe 32. We'll get to the total in a

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second. So at a sheer desperation at this point cameras start beginning to be like installed

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at train stations at bus stops and this is what the intention of capturing the killer on film.

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And the police department actually started conducting stings with female officers posing as

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young rungways. Huh. Runaways excuse me. But of course it didn't stop on today he just became

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really cautious. He would actually have eight victims in the year of 1990. Oh my god. Six of

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these victims would be connected to the original ongoing investigation. So I know like we can

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sit here and talk shit about the cops' participation. They all seem like Mr. fucking Magoo's like

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they're just like running around like you know. But actually what was interesting and what was

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happening in Russia at the time was that there is actually a stronghold on the media in general

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because this is Soviet Russia. So there wasn't a lot of things that were leaked or put out in the

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newspapers that Russia didn't want to happen. So it was always pretty much processed through a

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political eye. So like things like serial murders were not circulated. That's not something that

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Russia talked about. So around this time which is 1990-1991 it was kind of an awakening to the

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freedom of media if you will. So it's kind of bad news for Andrei because well get it sorry pun intended.

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Yeah I don't give a fuck about bad news for Andrei. Bad news for Andrei. The media is spicing up.

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So a picture of his flaccid penis out there too for the whole six months.

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So in the mid-90s the police department actually amped up their presence at the train stations

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and all that sort of stuff right. And of course it started circulating that they're looking for

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this serial killer at this point which again makes it more difficult for Andrei.

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Oh boo-hoo. Boo-boo-boo-boo. So again the police like I said were at train stations, bus stations,

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all this other stuff, bus stops. And what they were doing is that they wanted a very great

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noticeable police presence at certain locations to discourage him from committing crimes there.

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But also funnel it in a way to where there were only undercover cops.

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Certain locations where he could do it.

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Yeah but there would be undercover cops at those locations. So not entirely.

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Right. Did it stop him? Absolutely not.

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So he managed to kill it for the two more victims, one just days before the initiative

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to put those police officers out there and one just two days after the initiative.

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So again, didn't discourage him.

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So on November 6th an undercover officer was patrolling around a train station when a man

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came up onto the property looking disheveled. The man was coming from a direction of a nearby

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wooded area and it was known to be a great spot to pick mushrooms which apparently is a really big

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thing in Russia to go like mushroom picking. Yeah the ones here will kill you.

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So while this man was dressed pretty formally he was carrying a sports bag of some kind,

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kind of like a gym bag but not a gatherers bag. So he was like okay that's kind of peculiar like

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oh somebody just picking mushrooms. Wait he's dressed kind of nice and he's got like a gym bag

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with him. Duffel bag, yeah. The officer observed the man stumble over to a water fountain or a well

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that was there on the property and the man began to wash his hands and face in it. Making this kind

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of an unusual sight the officer walked over to the man to check on him to make sure he was okay

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and as he got closer he could see the man had red streaks across his face and a deep wound to his

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hand. Blood perhaps? The officer noticed that the man had grass stains and mud stains on his knees,

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elbows and arms. The officer asked the man to prove his identity in the form of government papers

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which the man did and nothing really to keep the man or like arrest him for anything necessarily

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the officer just let him go. However when the officer returned to his station he did denote the

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time and the odd behavior at the red streak in the man's name. Anzreti Ketelo. He didn't like

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pull him up and see that he's an ex like I don't want to say convict but he went to jail

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like he didn't pull that record up and say oh he's been to jail before. No I guess he just didn't give a

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shit. He didn't give a shit. He's disheveled and bloody and clearly has just been digging somewhere.

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Yeah oh we're looking for a serial killer but this seems legit. Literally. So on the 13th the body of

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a 22 year old woman's Vatlana was found in the same wooded area that Andrei was seen walking away

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from in front of the officer. I blame that cop entirely. After the reports of the officer's

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experience Andrei's own purchase of a train ticket that day combined with the fact that Andrei had

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now been under suspicion at least two other times by police officers. Andrei was again brought in

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for questioning. And let me guess they let him go. Well you'll just have to see. Furthermore officers

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began to dig through Andrei's living situations as far as like where his locations were and like

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his business trip logs linking even more victims to the kella. Oh it's weird how that happens.

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Police had interviewed at this point several former colleagues who had who were told of his odd

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behavior and the advancement on the young girls that he taught. So after being taken into custody

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Andrei complained about his arrest saying that they had the wrong guy and the police just

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were probably just confused those bumbling idiots. I mean obviously he's just a stand-up

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citizen why him? So the wound that he had had on his hand that was observed by the officer from

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the train station was now in full view of officers and they actually noticed that it was a bite mark.

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So hell yeah whoever did that he was bleeding that much. It was actually so severe that it broke

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the bones in his hand. Bad bitch alert. Right Andrei had tried to treat it with iodine at home and he

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never sought medical treatment for it. I hope it got infected and pussy. This injury was actually

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the result of his second to last victim Andrei had. He was a 16 year old boy named Victor.

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The crime scene was actually very extensive because Victor had fought extremely hard because he was a

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very fit kid. Poor thing. And so like the area was just a mess. So this is consistent with the type

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of damage that Andrei has sustained to his hand. And again Andrei's blood was taken at the jail.

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He was placed in a cell and within this cell the police actually plant an informant although Andrei

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would say nothing about his crimes to this man at all. So when interrogated the next day police

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chose the angle of convincing Andrei that he was in need of like serious help like he was like you

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have a condition you need to treat this and then you know hopefully that he would just confess.

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And then maybe like if he confessed that you know the court would take mercy on him or maybe you

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know he might even gain an insanity plea. So they worked this angle for angle for a while and it

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just didn't work. So the blood that comes back you know it the test comes back and it confirms

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that Andrei's blood type is in fact A. However at this point police know that Andrei is the murderer.

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So like what the fuck yeah police start thinking about what the problem could be and they decided

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to take in the account that the blood samples they are the DNA samples that they had from the crime

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scene were semen samples not blood samples. Okay. And I don't know how don't ask me how but they

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obtained a semen sample from Andrei. Oh I don't know how. Well don't ask me. It's all the lube that

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he did. All the lube. That's so how what the I don't know I don't even know how you would actually

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ask somebody or get get a warrant for a semen sample like that but also like what like but how

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yeah that makes me scared. So it turns out that Andrei is actually a person who is considered

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a non-secretar. Have you ever heard this term? Yes I have. A non-secretar is defined as an

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individual of a blood group A, B or A, B who does not secrete the antigens characteristic of blood

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groups and and bloody fluids such as blood or saliva. So his semen was A, B but his blood was A.

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Yeah that's fucking weird. What a lucky son of a bitch. Right? God. This still didn't get Andrei

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to confess however to either to ease his conscience or to get the cops off of the murder case issue.

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He did confess to sexually assaulting previous students of his. Oh what a hero. I know. Andrei

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had actually written various letters to Dr. Bukinowski who was a psychiatrist who worked alongside

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the police to come up with a psychological profile of the presumed killer. Me in the future. So the

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profile was described as quote a reclusive man aged 45 to 50 years old who had endured a painful

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and isolated childhood. He was incapable of incapable of flirting or courtship with a woman.

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This individual is well educated likely to be married and to have fathered children but also

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a sadist who suffered from impotence and could achieve sexual arousal only by seeing his victims

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suffer. The murderers themselves were an analog to the sexual intercourse this individual was

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incapable of performing and his knife became a substitute for a penis which failed to function

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normally. That's like heavy. That's heavy. That is intense. But it's so accurate. So Dr. Bukinowski

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actually determined that because of the locations that many of the victims were lured from or found

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near transportation hubs of course that the killer likely traveled themselves for work. Oh.

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Furthermore because a great portion of these murders had occurred on the weekend the doctor

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stated that he believed the killer to work on the weekdays and off on the weekends. So back to why

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Andrei wrote the letters since he had followed the case so closely and the criteria was actually

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published in the newspapers. Andrei had wrote the man and said pretty much oh this is why someone

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would think it would be me. He's so fucking arrogant. Right. Such a narcissist. Like you

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thought that would work. No they think they're smarter than everyone. They think they can outwit

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everyone. So a few days later on the 29th of November investigators actually invited Bukinowski

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to sit in on questioning alongside him. The doctor's 65 page psychological profile was with him.

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Within two hours of the interview Andrei began to cry and confess to the crimes that he had committed.

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Damn Bukinowski. I know. Damn Bukinowski hit hard. Jesus. Bukinowski. I hope I'm not good one day.

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Andrei said about the encounter quote he already knew me and when he recounted everything about

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my life how people had humiliated me, shot at me and trampled me from infancy. It was bitter of

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course. I cried in front of him and I said how do you know all of this. All of my life I had never

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even had a friend not one. There was no one close enough to me and this person was the closest to

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me even now. I cried in front of him and I told him everything and I held nothing back. Oh that's

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really kind of sad. That's really sad. That's really sad. That's really sad but like how fucking

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powerful is that Bukinowski do. Right. Just like coming in there like hey I know everything about

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you that you don't even know. And that's what's incredible is like it does come down to the

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psychology of it. Like the inner workings of the mind and why people do things the way that they

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do things or how they do things or why they say the things that they do comes down to previous

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experience. And not that any of it's excusable but it almost makes it a little bit easier to

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listen to and hear about whenever you and research whenever you kind of can think about it from

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not just one perspective but 18 different perspectives. Yeah. And that's true for any

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situation in life. Right. Yeah it was it's really intense like to know that he felt

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the closest person to him was a stranger that just knew what it like how his mind worked.

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Like that was important to him. To think that like if someone with that influence had been a part of

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his life when he was younger like none of this maybe wouldn't have happened. Right. So Andre would

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go on to confess 36 of the 38 crimes the police had linked him to. Wow. Andre gave detailed descriptions

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about each victim that he confessed to including locations and how he mutilated them. Oh my gosh.

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So he remembered all of it. He even was able to draw sketches of some of the scenes he remembered

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them so well. On the 30th of November, Cicatillo was charged with all 36 confessed murders. However,

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Cicatillo would go on to confess to a further 20 more murders that police never initially linked him

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to. Oh my gosh. He would go on to lead investigators to locating three victims as they had not been

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found until that point and unfortunately three of the victims were never found. Oh man.

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Pre-trial Andre was evaluated over a 60 day period and it was determined that he did in

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fact suffer with extreme prenatal brain damage which was the wet brain was the layman's term.

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Oh yeah. And he also gained a quote study but gradual descent into perversion which had been

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compounded by biological and environmental factors end quote which led to him becoming violent in

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order to decrease his tension. He was ultimately diagnosed with borderline personality disorder

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however it was also determined that he was fit to stand trial. His trial would start in April of

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1992 and he was charged with 53 counts of murder as well as several sexual assault charges brought

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on from his confession of teaching young people. Given the way that the new media was conducted

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again, this is post-Soviet Russia, the media just kind of ate it up, no pun intended, but they called

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him a cannibal and a monster which of course is like duh like you're sensationalizing it. But the

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most sensational part about all of it was that when Andre was sitting in the courthouse he was

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actually put into an iron cage and this was mostly because they were fearful that a family member

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might attack him but it still played into that like animal, like he looks like an animal. And

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when again it is just like completely, it was like one of the biggest stories to come out post-Soviet

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Russia. So it was like talk about like a Scott Peterson or something you know what I mean like

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just something that just gets eaten up, scooped up and just always talked about. Andre was described

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as loud and almost angry when being asked about any trinkets or organs that he might have taken

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from the victims. This is all throughout the trial. However Andre was described as evasive or even

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dismissive when talking about crime details such as his MO, like where he would pick up victims

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and what like types of wounds he would inflict. So he would be really like, it's almost like when he

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was like accused of being a thief right? He clearly has a problem with that because it's like oh let

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me ask you you know did you take any souvenirs or did you take, take, take, take, take and that's all he

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hears is like I didn't take anything. I didn't take it in like I'm not a thief. But then when it would

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come to the MO like well where did you pick up this person? And he's already confessed to all

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these things. This is just in the trial. He would just be like oh I don't know maybe somewhere around

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there I don't really know. Like very aloof and so maybe it's because like during his recollections

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maybe it's like he wants to keep those details private to himself. I think so. I mean like or

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maybe he's like I already confessed to that other guy just ask him. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like

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save us all some time. So when asked if he chose his victims based on gender or lifestyle he was

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quoted in saying quote I did not need to look for them. Every step I took they were there and quote.

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After rising tensions between the judge and the prosecutors Andrei refused to participate in court

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proceedings for three days straight. So when he just like he just stopped talking. He stopped like

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he was supposed to be on the stand confessing and he just stopped talking. Can't they just be like okay

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like that's throw out with that? I don't know man this is Russia. What do you want from me? It's wild.

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Yeah this is after the judge and the prosecutor would make comments all the time like oh shut up

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you're not crazy like shut up we all know you're not crazy. Yeah just lawlessness. So he refused.

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He's crazy but at the same time like that's kind of fucked up. So he well they were trying to prove

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that he knew what he was doing the whole time that he was crazy. Well yeah of course we don't have to

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taunt him. Right. But then again he's a fucking murderer so I don't know why I'm defending him.

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Well Andrei fell at this point that he wasn't getting a fair trial so that's why he was like

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well I'm just gonna shut up. I demand a new trial. You know you're already treating me like I'm guilty.

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I mean he confessed and he's guilty but the judge doesn't know that. Oh my god.

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So after him being silent for three days straight the trial was actually suspended for two more weeks

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and again he felt like he wasn't getting a fair trial. So Andrei actually during this time he

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withdrew some of his confessions. Why? Like what the fuck? Just to be a jerk. So that was during

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the hiatus and he actually tried to claim more victims during this too. Oh I thought he meant

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like kill people. No he tried to say that he had to take credit for whatever and I think mostly

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it was just to kind of like throw everything out of whack right like to just be chaotic. At this

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point his counsel had moved to like they pushed for another evaluation because they were just like

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well we're all just kind of sitting on our fucking hands anyways and if we can get an

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evaluation that says that he's crazy because he's doing all these erratic things then you know

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Bukinovsky actually testified about the pros when court would resume eventually and Andrei would

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continue to have outbursts but not participate in the trial. Basically he would just be in his

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little cage and he would say I'm thinking about it. You're like, here's the objection. You're

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not even speaking. Just be, yeah. So Bukinovsky actually testified about the profile he had

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developed and furthermore he stated that all of Andrei's antics in the courtroom was actually to

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convince the courts that he was insane. Oh. But basically he was proving that this is actually

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the work of someone who's quite intelligent not somebody he's mad man. Yeah exactly. So on October

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14th 1992 Andrei was found guilty of the 52 of the 53 murders he went on trial for. This also

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included five guilty convictions of the sexual misconduct for the students that he had taught.

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Wow. Do you know what happened with the 53rd murder? Yeah it was insufficient evidence. Oh. Yeah.

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So when asked if he had anything to say he was silent. Of course. The next day Andrei was sentenced

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to death for all 52 counts of murder and Andrei was kicking his cell and shouting about and all

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this other stuff but again when asked if he wanted to go on the record he stayed silent. On the 14th

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of February 1994 Chickatillo was taken from his death row cell to a soundproof room in his prison

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and was executed with a single gunshot behind the right ear. He was buried in an unmarked grave

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at the prison cemetery. They just shot him in the fucking head. Yeah that was his execution.

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I don't know man I feel like he should have suffered a little bit more.

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Too kind. Too kind. Wow that's is that the end? Yeah that's so wild. Isn't that

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isn't such a trip that is such an intense and sensed it like I wish I could find more quotes

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of him but like I said he didn't really other than him like yelling and shouting in his trial

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he didn't have much to say and I just thought that was really interesting that yeah that is really

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wild and he just like went out like quiet. Right not talking about any of it like he confessed

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that once but the only person he clearly trusted was that psychiatrist. Because he broke him.

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Yeah that's so scary isn't it? Well I just wanted to say that was really good.

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Two part here thank you guys so much for being so patient with us we have been so busy

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on twitter and we do have patreon like I said and we do have a I don't know there's something else oh

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what I already said twitter I think that's gmail oh yes and you can email us if you'd like us to

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we want to hear from you guys so it's uh diagnosing a killer at gmail.com I'm excited to do more research

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it's gonna be great now that Andre is over yeah we're definitely gonna continue with this

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momentum now that we're both kind of settled in our new schedules and we look forward to you

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guys hearing or hearing from you guys and thank you guys for listening to us yeah thanks we'll see

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you on the mental breakdown love you bye