Hello! Hello! I'm Koelle. And I'm Kenna. Welcome back to diagnosing a killer.
This has been a minute. Yeah. We're back! Woohoo! So much has changed.
Well, not really. We're just really busy. Yeah, really busy. Too busy. Too too busy. Just too busy.
I think for the past three or four weeks we've been like, okay we're gonna record this week and then
it comes to the day we come to the room and we're like, yeah I have so much to do. I have so much
to do. But we finally got part two finished and I'm really excited to hear it because just like
the listeners I have no idea what's gonna happen. So let's get on with it. So when we last left off
I think Andre had about 16 victims around this time. So this is still in 1983. And meanwhile
police have actually continued to capture criminals. People are continuously like confessing to crimes
they didn't commit. IDK. Like his crimes? Yeah, they were trying to claim that his crimes were other
or that yeah were theirs. I never understand that. Like why would you want, I know that like one of the
gains I guess from that is like popularity quote unquote not really like infamous like you know
but other than that what the fuck would you want to do? I've seen, I've heard stories or seen cases
where people do it to like scare someone. Like they're like, I don't remember who it was but it
was somebody that was at a bar and was like, oh yeah I totally killed that person when they didn't
and it was like to gloat or to seem dangerous to the person that they're talking to. I don't
know man. I think it's a stupid thing to take credit for. And then I also think that there's
some people that just want a place to stay and eat. That's true. I can see like people that have
been in prison like their whole lives kind of wanting to go back because that makes sense. Like
that's their routine, that's their you know, it's familiar. Right. Of course bodies continue to pile
up because Andre has not been caught and he just keeps like the amount of times that he kills
increases per year for the most part if you look at it. So in September of 1983 he actually continued
his rampage, his next notable victim and again just for time's sake this is not out of disrespect
for any of the victims but I want to kind of keep it because we still have a lot left. So
I definitely you know I'm not going to go, I'm not going to name every victim
but I'm going to do most notables or things where the MO's kind of mixed up a little bit.
So his next victim was a 19 year old prostitute named Vera and Vera was again and I said this
in the last episode this is pretty much just going to be a content warning especially for this first
half of the podcast episode because I won't talk too much into the details but as it pertains to
each victim maybe. So she was mutilated in his usual MO however her eyes weren't touched and
do you remember in the last episode when he had damaged the eyes of some of the victims out of
potentially the superstition that you know the Russian superstition that your last moments are
imprinted on the back of your eyes. So her eyes were left alone which again we're not really sure
if it was a time thing like maybe he was about to be caught or whatever. She's one of the only
victims that didn't have their eyes mutilated. So two months later a boy named Sergey he was 14
and he was found by a rural train station after heading home from working some odd jobs around
the area. So he had been emasculated and he suffered over 70 wounds before being eviscerated.
Yeah it's really sad. So that actually completes 1983. Oh thank god okay. Gosh what's coming?
So in January and February Andrei killed two more women. One was in Natalia who was 17 and she was
actually a friend of one of Andrei's previous victims two years later. Does he know? Did he
know or was it just right? I don't know. I don't think he did. I think it was just like a coincidence.
That's scary. But isn't that scary? Like your friend went missing or was murdered two years before
that and like how do you not worry about that and then you are put in the same situation? That is
terrifying. So the second victim was actually a woman. Her name was Martha and this was Andrei's
oldest victim. She was 44. She was the one that was friends of the... No this is a different... So
one was murdered in January, one was murdered in February. Oh I see. So the young girl who was 17
was the one that was the friend of the previous victim. This is another woman. Her name is Martha
and she was 44 and that's the oldest person he ever killed. That's odd. Other than that I think
maybe 27 was probably the next youngest. I wonder if that was like a... I don't want to say accidental
but like it seems so close to the one before and it seems so out of his MO. Maybe he like
got mad and like lost control or like something happened that he was like fuck it. Just gonna do
this here. Like that's I mean that's awful to think about it that way but you know who knows
like why that's changed. Yeah and I think of course like he has a type right. He has a type that he
likes to kill presumably. In March of 1984 Andre actually came across a 10 year old named Dimitri.
He was standing near a stamp like a stamp kiosk and he struck up a conversation with the boy
over stamp collecting until he was ultimately lured from the area. That is like so innocent.
It like hurts my heart. It's sad. It's sad. Like this little kid just wanted to talk about his
stamps. He was so excited about it. He was actually spotted by a few witnesses around the area and
they were able to give police a description of Andre. So something kind of came out of that.
However it didn't stop the murder. Dimitri was found three days later. But this was actually one
of the more substantial scenes as far as forensics go. So at the scene they found footprints,
semen samples and saliva all taken at the scene which was like the first time that they had really
collected anything. So in May Andre actually killed a woman named Tatiana and she was murdered
with a hammer in front of her 10 year old daughter. Isn't that the same name as his sister?
Oh yeah it is. Wow what a dick. Yeah it is. But yeah she was murdered in front of her 10 year
old daughter named Svetlana and then he proceeded to kill Svetlana. And again content warning he
actually decapitated her so her head wasn't found until several days later. That's so awful.
But this case was actually interesting because it was found out years later during the investigation
that Tatiana and Svetlana actually knew Andre for like several years before they were dead.
So it was clearly somebody that the mother trusted, that Tatiana trusted. I mean to bring her 10
year old around him for an extended period of time you have to have somewhat of a trust or
knowledge of who that person is. Right. So by the end of July Andre would actually kill three more
victims 21 year old Yelena, 13 year old Dimitri who was actually headed to receive a health certificate
for summer camp on his way from being lured. And then a 19 year old named Anna who was headed
home from the dentist. Just like such casual things like everyday things. You're just trying to get
on the bus or the train. So by the summer Andre was actually fired from his job as a supply clerk
for allegedly stealing which is something that he denies. It was probably workplace harassment.
Probably yeah he said that he was he never stole but that's why he was fired. And by August he
actually found work in the same field. So the day after he finds his new job Andre attacks and kills
a 16 year old girl named Natalia in a park. She was on her way to visit her sister at the time.
Yeah scouts on her. I never stole anything but I just killed all the people. I just murdered people.
Like I'm not a thief though. I'm not a thief. That's one thing I am not. I'm not a thief and I am
not a liar sir. What the hell. So this will be five days later on the 7th he would kill again.
This time it was a 17 year old named Ludmilla. He's going like real real hard. Real hard. Like
what is this. You said it's June by now and that's like eight victims already. Well okay so we had
the two women at the beginning right at the beginning. So that would have been
January and February was Natalia and Marta the older lady. Then in March. So it's basically once a
month here. So then Dmitri was in March. The mother daughter that was in May.
And then by the end of July he would have three more. Yeah so May I think all three of them were
in July around the same time. So this is by the summer. July this is probably I think August
first was when he got the job and August second was when he would kill Natalia.
Yeah. Jesus. Andre actually lured Ludmilla with his usual ammo. He knew a shortcut rather than
taking the bus or whatever it was. Ludmilla was actually slashed at and then she was dismembered.
However this time it would be shown through examination that he cut her in a very methodical
way. It looked like he had tortured her before. So they were cuts that weren't meant to kill.
And this is like one of the first times again that he's changing up this ammo. Yeah he's
experimenting which is disgusting. Right. So mere hours after the attack on Ludmilla,
Andre actually boarded a flight for a business trip to Uzbekistan. Hours. He's like yeah boss
just running late I'm just gonna go dismember someone real quick. Just gonna dismember someone.
Oh gotta catch a flight. That's so sick. He would kill twice while he was on his business trip.
One was an unidentified young lady about 20 to 25 years old who was found on the banks of a river.
She was killed somewhere between the eighth and the eleventh. This would be like yes. And she
went unidentified. So the second victim was 10 year old Akmeral who had actually run away from home
and she was lured off a train by Andre. She was killed on the 13th and was found in a cornfield
within the day. So once returning home on the 28th of August Andre would kill an 11 year old
named Alexander. He was attacked on the banks of a river and he was left mere yards away from where
he had killed and left Ludmilla's body. Oh my god. Just three weeks earlier. That was the one that he
killed before he left. This is like okay first of all why the fuck have they caught this guy yet.
And second of all like he is so all over the place and sporadic. It seems like with all of these
like back to back to back obviously you can't wait to kill. How has he not gotten caught or left
any more evidence in that. That's ridiculous. I will get to that. I'm gonna tell you how.
So on September 6th Irina was on her way to the sauna when she encountered Andre. She was
attacked and killed in the same park that had previously seen at least six other of his victims.
Bro monitor the fucking park. There's six other victims there. Right. Oh my god. So at this point
Andre has now claimed 32 lives. Jesus. Andre wouldn't kill again for almost a year. What?
That's weird. Why do you ask? One fateful day on September 13th 1984 a week after killing Irina
Andre was spotted by two detectives posing that were posed undercover at a bus station. Okay so
he was attempting to talk to young women and lure them away from the area right.
This attempt was unsuccessful and Andre began to like walk through the city and attempting to
talk to more girls and young women as he walked. What a fucking creep. He was also noticed by the
detectives as committing acts of um, frotuism. Farting? No. Frotuism. Fla-chuism. Basically he
was attempting to rub himself on people without them noticing. How would you not notice something?
Like like when you're bumping through a crowd and you just are like grazing yourself on people
that's what he was doing. Get your parts away from me. That is so gross. Your lack of parts. Also
he's never sorry but like no boner over here like only ever jizz with violence so what is his goal?
I think it's the fact that it because it's not consensual like in his mind. So gross. Isn't that
gross? That's literally so gross. So gross. So after seeing this the detectives took Andre into
custody and when Andre was searched the officers found an eight inch blade, lengths of rope and
like my opinion the creepiest part is a jar of lubricant. I know. Like if somebody was checking
out in the hardware store and they had like a hammer and like some robe and a blade and then
a jar of actually like oh god. Ew what was he doing with that? So once taken into jail for holding
they actually discovered that Andre was wanted for outstanding issues with the previous employer
that had accused him of theft. So the one that he claimed like he didn't steal. So this actually
gave investigators- I didn't steal anything. So but it actually gave investigators more time to
hold Andre. They began to like uncover more about Andre's past including the accusations of
misconduct with his students. Remember? Finally. I know right? Jesus. So he actually also matched
the description that the witnesses had given that was luring Demetria away right? Don't say.
It's all coming again. Well what a coincidence we arrested that guy over there that said he did it.
I mean that has to be it. It looks nothing like him. So with this police had probable cause to
obtain a DNA sample from Andre. Oh they found the DNA in the last scene. However the DNA that
Andre provided did not match the DNA collected at Demetria's murder scene. Ew no. Medical examiners
had actually collected six different samples from various scenes and although this actually worked
to connect all six of these crimes together and absolve other suspects that had you know confessed
or whatever it is. All six were classified as AB type. Andre's blood type is A. So he took blood
from someone else? Where was I? At this point police had no other choice at this moment but to
dismiss him as the killer. Well his DNA didn't match. What are you gonna do about it? How- no
no that's bullshit. How did they not just take his blood in front of- like did they take his blood
for him or did he just give them some blood? Like hey me this at 2 p.m. in the cafeteria just give
us some blood. It gets better. It gets better. So the DNA that was collected at all six of these
crime scenes matched each other. Yeah. So they all know they're looking for one killer for all these
cases but it wasn't him. Okay so they did take it from him but it's just not matching. So that is his
blood matching the crime scenes. Yes. Yes. So at this point again like I said police dismissed him
but Andre was indeed charged for the theft with the encounter with a previous employee
and with this Andre was actually stripped of his Communist Party membership and you remember
how important that was to him. You know like that. He did not like that. He was actually ordered to
serve one year in prison but was released in just three months. For what? No I'm sure for good
good behavior or some shit. Didn't say. What? I'm sure. During this time police would actually
officially link 23 victims as being killed by the same perpetrator. So during this time they're
connecting all of these dots. And they had him in custody and they let him fucking go. After three
months yeah. Okay you know how many times that happens? Like that's so crazy how often that
happened in like the 80s. Yeah well what's interesting about it is that it does seem like
Andre does like maybe one a month you know or maybe well sometimes there was like three but
you know the spacing wouldn't be unusual. For him to be going missing for like three months it wouldn't
be unusual that there was no that there was no yeah because maybe they just didn't find a victim
during that time. Yeah but the fact that his DNA didn't match the crime scene is like
frustrating because they could have caught him right there. Right. So at this time
Andre becomes very savvy and he becomes cautious so he starts switching up his locations
from where he's killing people. So due to this there's a very real speculation how many victims
Andre actually had. So he had 15 victims in 1984 alone and in 1985 he would have two. What?
So he would yeah so he went from killing 15 people in one year to killing two the next year
because he became very cautious. He became very aware. That's odd that he is able to control
himself like that. Right. Especially without how impulsive he was in the previous year. Right.
So the next time that it's documented that he actually killed someone wasn't until 1987 but
again there's speculation of whether or not he actually committed any murders in 1986. So in
1987 he would kill three but all three were murdered on business trips and nowhere in no
rust off. Because he was getting nervous. Because he was nervous. Yeah that's where he was living.
He continued to see the same MO though so he like he picks up his victims
from either bus stations or train stations and then he mutilates the victims before and after
death. So the following year in 1988 he would begin killing in his own city again. So he would
have three victims and although two of those victims could not be linked to the serial killings at
the time the third left no doubt in the investigator's minds that the killer was actually back
due to the severity of the crime and what it looked like. So 1989 he would have another
five victims and again only two would be linked to the killer. My god. Right. How many people is
at this time? Like Jesus it's like 50 people. Well that's maybe 32. We'll get to the total in a
second. So at a sheer desperation at this point cameras start beginning to be like installed
at train stations at bus stops and this is what the intention of capturing the killer on film.
And the police department actually started conducting stings with female officers posing as
young rungways. Huh. Runaways excuse me. But of course it didn't stop on today he just became
really cautious. He would actually have eight victims in the year of 1990. Oh my god. Six of
these victims would be connected to the original ongoing investigation. So I know like we can
sit here and talk shit about the cops' participation. They all seem like Mr. fucking Magoo's like
they're just like running around like you know. But actually what was interesting and what was
happening in Russia at the time was that there is actually a stronghold on the media in general
because this is Soviet Russia. So there wasn't a lot of things that were leaked or put out in the
newspapers that Russia didn't want to happen. So it was always pretty much processed through a
political eye. So like things like serial murders were not circulated. That's not something that
Russia talked about. So around this time which is 1990-1991 it was kind of an awakening to the
freedom of media if you will. So it's kind of bad news for Andrei because well get it sorry pun intended.
Yeah I don't give a fuck about bad news for Andrei. Bad news for Andrei. The media is spicing up.
So a picture of his flaccid penis out there too for the whole six months.
So in the mid-90s the police department actually amped up their presence at the train stations
and all that sort of stuff right. And of course it started circulating that they're looking for
this serial killer at this point which again makes it more difficult for Andrei.
Oh boo-hoo. Boo-boo-boo-boo. So again the police like I said were at train stations, bus stations,
all this other stuff, bus stops. And what they were doing is that they wanted a very great
noticeable police presence at certain locations to discourage him from committing crimes there.
But also funnel it in a way to where there were only undercover cops.
Certain locations where he could do it.
Yeah but there would be undercover cops at those locations. So not entirely.
Right. Did it stop him? Absolutely not.
So he managed to kill it for the two more victims, one just days before the initiative
to put those police officers out there and one just two days after the initiative.
So again, didn't discourage him.
So on November 6th an undercover officer was patrolling around a train station when a man
came up onto the property looking disheveled. The man was coming from a direction of a nearby
wooded area and it was known to be a great spot to pick mushrooms which apparently is a really big
thing in Russia to go like mushroom picking. Yeah the ones here will kill you.
So while this man was dressed pretty formally he was carrying a sports bag of some kind,
kind of like a gym bag but not a gatherers bag. So he was like okay that's kind of peculiar like
oh somebody just picking mushrooms. Wait he's dressed kind of nice and he's got like a gym bag
with him. Duffel bag, yeah. The officer observed the man stumble over to a water fountain or a well
that was there on the property and the man began to wash his hands and face in it. Making this kind
of an unusual sight the officer walked over to the man to check on him to make sure he was okay
and as he got closer he could see the man had red streaks across his face and a deep wound to his
hand. Blood perhaps? The officer noticed that the man had grass stains and mud stains on his knees,
elbows and arms. The officer asked the man to prove his identity in the form of government papers
which the man did and nothing really to keep the man or like arrest him for anything necessarily
the officer just let him go. However when the officer returned to his station he did denote the
time and the odd behavior at the red streak in the man's name. Anzreti Ketelo. He didn't like
pull him up and see that he's an ex like I don't want to say convict but he went to jail
like he didn't pull that record up and say oh he's been to jail before. No I guess he just didn't give a
shit. He didn't give a shit. He's disheveled and bloody and clearly has just been digging somewhere.
Yeah oh we're looking for a serial killer but this seems legit. Literally. So on the 13th the body of
a 22 year old woman's Vatlana was found in the same wooded area that Andrei was seen walking away
from in front of the officer. I blame that cop entirely. After the reports of the officer's
experience Andrei's own purchase of a train ticket that day combined with the fact that Andrei had
now been under suspicion at least two other times by police officers. Andrei was again brought in
for questioning. And let me guess they let him go. Well you'll just have to see. Furthermore officers
began to dig through Andrei's living situations as far as like where his locations were and like
his business trip logs linking even more victims to the kella. Oh it's weird how that happens.
Police had interviewed at this point several former colleagues who had who were told of his odd
behavior and the advancement on the young girls that he taught. So after being taken into custody
Andrei complained about his arrest saying that they had the wrong guy and the police just
were probably just confused those bumbling idiots. I mean obviously he's just a stand-up
citizen why him? So the wound that he had had on his hand that was observed by the officer from
the train station was now in full view of officers and they actually noticed that it was a bite mark.
So hell yeah whoever did that he was bleeding that much. It was actually so severe that it broke
the bones in his hand. Bad bitch alert. Right Andrei had tried to treat it with iodine at home and he
never sought medical treatment for it. I hope it got infected and pussy. This injury was actually
the result of his second to last victim Andrei had. He was a 16 year old boy named Victor.
The crime scene was actually very extensive because Victor had fought extremely hard because he was a
very fit kid. Poor thing. And so like the area was just a mess. So this is consistent with the type
of damage that Andrei has sustained to his hand. And again Andrei's blood was taken at the jail.
He was placed in a cell and within this cell the police actually plant an informant although Andrei
would say nothing about his crimes to this man at all. So when interrogated the next day police
chose the angle of convincing Andrei that he was in need of like serious help like he was like you
have a condition you need to treat this and then you know hopefully that he would just confess.
And then maybe like if he confessed that you know the court would take mercy on him or maybe you
know he might even gain an insanity plea. So they worked this angle for angle for a while and it
just didn't work. So the blood that comes back you know it the test comes back and it confirms
that Andrei's blood type is in fact A. However at this point police know that Andrei is the murderer.
So like what the fuck yeah police start thinking about what the problem could be and they decided
to take in the account that the blood samples they are the DNA samples that they had from the crime
scene were semen samples not blood samples. Okay. And I don't know how don't ask me how but they
obtained a semen sample from Andrei. Oh I don't know how. Well don't ask me. It's all the lube that
he did. All the lube. That's so how what the I don't know I don't even know how you would actually
ask somebody or get get a warrant for a semen sample like that but also like what like but how
yeah that makes me scared. So it turns out that Andrei is actually a person who is considered
a non-secretar. Have you ever heard this term? Yes I have. A non-secretar is defined as an
individual of a blood group A, B or A, B who does not secrete the antigens characteristic of blood
groups and and bloody fluids such as blood or saliva. So his semen was A, B but his blood was A.
Yeah that's fucking weird. What a lucky son of a bitch. Right? God. This still didn't get Andrei
to confess however to either to ease his conscience or to get the cops off of the murder case issue.
He did confess to sexually assaulting previous students of his. Oh what a hero. I know. Andrei
had actually written various letters to Dr. Bukinowski who was a psychiatrist who worked alongside
the police to come up with a psychological profile of the presumed killer. Me in the future. So the
profile was described as quote a reclusive man aged 45 to 50 years old who had endured a painful
and isolated childhood. He was incapable of incapable of flirting or courtship with a woman.
This individual is well educated likely to be married and to have fathered children but also
a sadist who suffered from impotence and could achieve sexual arousal only by seeing his victims
suffer. The murderers themselves were an analog to the sexual intercourse this individual was
incapable of performing and his knife became a substitute for a penis which failed to function
normally. That's like heavy. That's heavy. That is intense. But it's so accurate. So Dr. Bukinowski
actually determined that because of the locations that many of the victims were lured from or found
near transportation hubs of course that the killer likely traveled themselves for work. Oh.
Furthermore because a great portion of these murders had occurred on the weekend the doctor
stated that he believed the killer to work on the weekdays and off on the weekends. So back to why
Andrei wrote the letters since he had followed the case so closely and the criteria was actually
published in the newspapers. Andrei had wrote the man and said pretty much oh this is why someone
would think it would be me. He's so fucking arrogant. Right. Such a narcissist. Like you
thought that would work. No they think they're smarter than everyone. They think they can outwit
everyone. So a few days later on the 29th of November investigators actually invited Bukinowski
to sit in on questioning alongside him. The doctor's 65 page psychological profile was with him.
Within two hours of the interview Andrei began to cry and confess to the crimes that he had committed.
Damn Bukinowski. I know. Damn Bukinowski hit hard. Jesus. Bukinowski. I hope I'm not good one day.
Andrei said about the encounter quote he already knew me and when he recounted everything about
my life how people had humiliated me, shot at me and trampled me from infancy. It was bitter of
course. I cried in front of him and I said how do you know all of this. All of my life I had never
even had a friend not one. There was no one close enough to me and this person was the closest to
me even now. I cried in front of him and I told him everything and I held nothing back. Oh that's
really kind of sad. That's really sad. That's really sad. That's really sad but like how fucking
powerful is that Bukinowski do. Right. Just like coming in there like hey I know everything about
you that you don't even know. And that's what's incredible is like it does come down to the
psychology of it. Like the inner workings of the mind and why people do things the way that they
do things or how they do things or why they say the things that they do comes down to previous
experience. And not that any of it's excusable but it almost makes it a little bit easier to
listen to and hear about whenever you and research whenever you kind of can think about it from
not just one perspective but 18 different perspectives. Yeah. And that's true for any
situation in life. Right. Yeah it was it's really intense like to know that he felt
the closest person to him was a stranger that just knew what it like how his mind worked.
Like that was important to him. To think that like if someone with that influence had been a part of
his life when he was younger like none of this maybe wouldn't have happened. Right. So Andre would
go on to confess 36 of the 38 crimes the police had linked him to. Wow. Andre gave detailed descriptions
about each victim that he confessed to including locations and how he mutilated them. Oh my gosh.
So he remembered all of it. He even was able to draw sketches of some of the scenes he remembered
them so well. On the 30th of November, Cicatillo was charged with all 36 confessed murders. However,
Cicatillo would go on to confess to a further 20 more murders that police never initially linked him
to. Oh my gosh. He would go on to lead investigators to locating three victims as they had not been
found until that point and unfortunately three of the victims were never found. Oh man.
Pre-trial Andre was evaluated over a 60 day period and it was determined that he did in
fact suffer with extreme prenatal brain damage which was the wet brain was the layman's term.
Oh yeah. And he also gained a quote study but gradual descent into perversion which had been
compounded by biological and environmental factors end quote which led to him becoming violent in
order to decrease his tension. He was ultimately diagnosed with borderline personality disorder
however it was also determined that he was fit to stand trial. His trial would start in April of
1992 and he was charged with 53 counts of murder as well as several sexual assault charges brought
on from his confession of teaching young people. Given the way that the new media was conducted
again, this is post-Soviet Russia, the media just kind of ate it up, no pun intended, but they called
him a cannibal and a monster which of course is like duh like you're sensationalizing it. But the
most sensational part about all of it was that when Andre was sitting in the courthouse he was
actually put into an iron cage and this was mostly because they were fearful that a family member
might attack him but it still played into that like animal, like he looks like an animal. And
when again it is just like completely, it was like one of the biggest stories to come out post-Soviet
Russia. So it was like talk about like a Scott Peterson or something you know what I mean like
just something that just gets eaten up, scooped up and just always talked about. Andre was described
as loud and almost angry when being asked about any trinkets or organs that he might have taken
from the victims. This is all throughout the trial. However Andre was described as evasive or even
dismissive when talking about crime details such as his MO, like where he would pick up victims
and what like types of wounds he would inflict. So he would be really like, it's almost like when he
was like accused of being a thief right? He clearly has a problem with that because it's like oh let
me ask you you know did you take any souvenirs or did you take, take, take, take, take and that's all he
hears is like I didn't take anything. I didn't take it in like I'm not a thief. But then when it would
come to the MO like well where did you pick up this person? And he's already confessed to all
these things. This is just in the trial. He would just be like oh I don't know maybe somewhere around
there I don't really know. Like very aloof and so maybe it's because like during his recollections
maybe it's like he wants to keep those details private to himself. I think so. I mean like or
maybe he's like I already confessed to that other guy just ask him. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like
save us all some time. So when asked if he chose his victims based on gender or lifestyle he was
quoted in saying quote I did not need to look for them. Every step I took they were there and quote.
After rising tensions between the judge and the prosecutors Andrei refused to participate in court
proceedings for three days straight. So when he just like he just stopped talking. He stopped like
he was supposed to be on the stand confessing and he just stopped talking. Can't they just be like okay
like that's throw out with that? I don't know man this is Russia. What do you want from me? It's wild.
Yeah this is after the judge and the prosecutor would make comments all the time like oh shut up
you're not crazy like shut up we all know you're not crazy. Yeah just lawlessness. So he refused.
He's crazy but at the same time like that's kind of fucked up. So he well they were trying to prove
that he knew what he was doing the whole time that he was crazy. Well yeah of course we don't have to
taunt him. Right. But then again he's a fucking murderer so I don't know why I'm defending him.
Well Andrei fell at this point that he wasn't getting a fair trial so that's why he was like
well I'm just gonna shut up. I demand a new trial. You know you're already treating me like I'm guilty.
I mean he confessed and he's guilty but the judge doesn't know that. Oh my god.
So after him being silent for three days straight the trial was actually suspended for two more weeks
and again he felt like he wasn't getting a fair trial. So Andrei actually during this time he
withdrew some of his confessions. Why? Like what the fuck? Just to be a jerk. So that was during
the hiatus and he actually tried to claim more victims during this too. Oh I thought he meant
like kill people. No he tried to say that he had to take credit for whatever and I think mostly
it was just to kind of like throw everything out of whack right like to just be chaotic. At this
point his counsel had moved to like they pushed for another evaluation because they were just like
well we're all just kind of sitting on our fucking hands anyways and if we can get an
evaluation that says that he's crazy because he's doing all these erratic things then you know
Bukinovsky actually testified about the pros when court would resume eventually and Andrei would
continue to have outbursts but not participate in the trial. Basically he would just be in his
little cage and he would say I'm thinking about it. You're like, here's the objection. You're
not even speaking. Just be, yeah. So Bukinovsky actually testified about the profile he had
developed and furthermore he stated that all of Andrei's antics in the courtroom was actually to
convince the courts that he was insane. Oh. But basically he was proving that this is actually
the work of someone who's quite intelligent not somebody he's mad man. Yeah exactly. So on October
14th 1992 Andrei was found guilty of the 52 of the 53 murders he went on trial for. This also
included five guilty convictions of the sexual misconduct for the students that he had taught.
Wow. Do you know what happened with the 53rd murder? Yeah it was insufficient evidence. Oh. Yeah.
So when asked if he had anything to say he was silent. Of course. The next day Andrei was sentenced
to death for all 52 counts of murder and Andrei was kicking his cell and shouting about and all
this other stuff but again when asked if he wanted to go on the record he stayed silent. On the 14th
of February 1994 Chickatillo was taken from his death row cell to a soundproof room in his prison
and was executed with a single gunshot behind the right ear. He was buried in an unmarked grave
at the prison cemetery. They just shot him in the fucking head. Yeah that was his execution.
I don't know man I feel like he should have suffered a little bit more.
Too kind. Too kind. Wow that's is that the end? Yeah that's so wild. Isn't that
isn't such a trip that is such an intense and sensed it like I wish I could find more quotes
of him but like I said he didn't really other than him like yelling and shouting in his trial
he didn't have much to say and I just thought that was really interesting that yeah that is really
wild and he just like went out like quiet. Right not talking about any of it like he confessed
that once but the only person he clearly trusted was that psychiatrist. Because he broke him.
Yeah that's so scary isn't it? Well I just wanted to say that was really good.
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