1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,160 Well hello! Hello! I'm Kenna. I'm Koelle. Fuck, I messed it up again! 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:34,160 Welcome back to diagnosing a killer! 3 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:38,160 Q. Kenna bumping the fricking computers that makes noise. 4 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:48,160 Ah, um yeah, we're doing another mental breakdown today. I am really excited. I feel like I haven't done one of these in a long time, even though we switch off every week. 5 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:50,160 Yeah, but I- 6 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:52,160 Does it have anything to do with Andrei? 7 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:58,160 No! Okay, I think this is the first time, like, ever, in the last like four months that we've ever had this podcast, 8 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,160 that we don't have like a correlation between my mental breakdown and your case or vice versa. 9 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,160 Interesting. 10 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:12,160 So, we are going to be doing one that I think that- I don't want to say we've overlooked, but I feel like we haven't talked about. 11 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:20,160 And I feel like it's one of those things that's so common, and a lot of people have it, but we haven't broken it down. 12 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,160 At least I don't think, and if we have, then I need to do more research. 13 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:30,160 So we're going to be talking today about ADHD versus ADD. 14 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,160 How do I think that? We haven't talked about that, right? 15 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,160 I have ADD. 16 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,160 She actually does. I do. 17 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,160 Because I figured out while researching that I totally have ADD. 18 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,160 Anyways, actually I think I have ADHD if you can't tell by the fucking how fast I talk. 19 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:54,160 So, we are going to start by characterizing what ADHD is, and then we'll go into what ADD is, and we will diagnose them to do it. 20 00:01:54,160 --> 00:02:06,160 So, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, of course, commonly referred to as ADHD, is a condition that is characterized by an attention, hyperactivity, and impulsivity. 21 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,160 The condition is one of the most common mental disorders in children, but it also affects many adults. 22 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:16,160 It's actually estimated that 8.4% of children and 2.5% of adults have ADHD. 23 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:28,160 With first symptoms usually being identified in school-aged children when it presents itself as being disruptive in the classroom or problems with school work, things like that, and focusing on things like that. 24 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:34,160 The disorder is actually more common in males than in females, which I did not know. I thought that was interesting. 25 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:39,160 ADHD is actually diagnosed as one of three types. So there's three different types of ADHD. 26 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:45,160 There is the inattentive type, there's the hyperactive slash impulsive type, and then there's the combined type. 27 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:52,160 So the inattentive type criterion, so six of the following symptoms or five for people over 17 occur frequently. 28 00:02:52,160 --> 00:03:06,160 These include not paying close attention to details or making careless mistakes in school or jobs, has problems staying focused on tasks such as during lectures, conversations, or long reading, which I have social problems with paying attention during conversations. 29 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,160 I feel like I always zone out. 30 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:20,160 I was just zoning out on your tattoo, and I was thinking, wow, I wonder why Tony did this shadowing just like that right there, but then didn't do it here so much? 31 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:26,160 I don't know. I have a half-sleeve of tattoos and she was staring at them while I was doing my podcast. 32 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,160 Love it. 33 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:39,160 Okay, so continuing on with that list, does not follow instructions and does not complete job or school duties or housework, or they may start a task but quickly lose focus. 34 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:47,160 They don't seem to listen when spoken to. That's literally me, in case you get so mad at me for that. He's like, are you even paying attention? I'm like, yeah, totally. 35 00:03:47,160 --> 00:04:06,160 Still on that list avoids or dislikes tasks that require sustained mental effort such as preparing reports or even completing forms, often loses things needed for tasks or daily life such as school papers like your books, keys, and your wallet is easily distracted and forgets daily tasks, 36 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:12,160 like forgets to schedule an appointment or forgets to do the dishes or whatever it was that you'd appointed. 37 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,160 I forgot to take out the trash before we started doing this. I promised John I would. 38 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:25,160 So that is the inattentive type to be diagnosed with ADHD. You have to have six of the following symptoms occurring frequently or five if you're over 17 years of age. 39 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,160 This is for the hyperactivity? 40 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,160 That was for the inattentive type. 41 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,160 Right, that was for the inattentive. The next one is hyperactive. 42 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:45,160 Yeah, we're going to go hyperactive, impulsive type, fidgets with or taps hands or feet or squirms in their seat, not able to stay seated, runs or climbs where it's inappropriate, unable to play or do leisure activities quietly, which I thought was interesting. 43 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:52,160 Always like on the go and it says as if driven by a motor, talks too much. Me. 44 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,160 Blurred said an answer before a question has been finished. 45 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,160 It was me. 46 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:04,160 Or many actually may finish people's sentences or they can't wait to speak in their conversation. They can't wait until it's their turn to talk. 47 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,160 So they're listening to respond, not listening to understand. 48 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:22,160 Yeah, has difficulty waiting his or her turn, including waiting in line and interrupts or intrudes on others. This includes cutting into conversations, maybe cutting into games or activities or starts using other people's things without permission. 49 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:28,160 Older teens and adults actually may even just take over what others are doing instead of letting them do it. 50 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,160 I do that all the time, but I just feel like that's my like control issue. 51 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,160 Well, it might be ADHD. 52 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:40,160 And then three, the combined type. So again, five or six or more of the previous symptoms combined and either children or adults. 53 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,160 What I just went through. 54 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,160 So it's got so many things that I feel like it's pretty easy to have. 55 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,160 It seems really general. 56 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:51,160 Yeah, it does. But some of them seem really specific. You know what I was reading? I was like, Oh my gosh, to me, you know. 57 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,160 But I feel like everyone can kind of relate to that. 58 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,160 Yeah, I guess that's why it's such a common disorder. 59 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,160 We say that all the time. If you have a brain, you're capable of it, right? 60 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:00,160 Exactly. 61 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:06,160 Now, as far as diagnosing ADHD, there's actually currently no lab tests to see if somebody has ADHD. 62 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:14,160 And a diagnosis involves gathering information from parents, teachers, any others that come in contact frequently with the patient is helpful. 63 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:19,160 They also fill out checklists, having a medical evaluation, including vision and hearing. 64 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:24,160 And then of course, ruling out other medical problems is also part of diagnosing ADHD. 65 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,160 Now, scientists actually haven't yet determined a specific cause of ADHD, 66 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,160 but there is evidence that suggests genetics may contribute to the development of ADHD. 67 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:39,160 For example, to back up that statistic, three out of four children with ADHD have a relative that also has a disorder. 68 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,160 Ma had ADD. 69 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:41,160 Really? I don't know that. 70 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:48,160 Other factors are suspected to contribute to the development of ADHD, including being born prematurely, brain injury, 71 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:53,160 and or the mother smoking, using alcohol, or even being under extreme stress while pregnant. 72 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,160 Even, I mean, I feel like everyone that's pregnant is under extreme stress. 73 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,160 I would be under extreme stress about a child growing in me. 74 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:05,160 As far as treatment goes, behavioral therapy and medication can help improve the symptoms, 75 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,160 and studies have found that a combination of both actually works best for most people, 76 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,160 especially those with moderate to severe ADHD. 77 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:17,160 Behavioral therapy for a patient with ADHD includes helping the patient learn how to control their behavior, 78 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:24,160 and also guiding parents and teachers on how to provide positive feedback for desired behaviors and consequences for negative ones. 79 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:31,160 So it kind of structures the child, or adults with ADHD also may benefit from psychotherapy rather than behavioral, 80 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,160 and gain help that improves structure and organization for their daily lives. 81 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,160 So the biggest thing that they're kind of drilling in is routine, routine, routine. 82 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,160 That's really helpful for ADHD. 83 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:47,160 The types of medication that can be used, there's actually two main types to treat ADHD. 84 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,160 There's stimulants and non-stimulants. 85 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,160 Stimulant medications include, I'm going to butcher these names, 86 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,160 meselfenidate and amphetamines, 87 00:07:55,160 --> 00:08:01,160 but as with all medications, of course, children taking these must be carefully monitored by their parents and their PCP. 88 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:07,160 There's also two non-stimulant medications that have been shown to be effective in treating ADHD symptoms, 89 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:13,160 and those are Adam Moxatine and Guan-Fasin. 90 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,160 I think it's called Guan-Fasin, 91 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:24,160 and those are either for patients that are not seeming to be helped by the stimulants or if it's a non-stimulant and simply preferred by the patient. 92 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,160 As far as parenting goes, I just wanted to pepper this in there. 93 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,160 If you're a parent of a child that has been diagnosed with ADHD, 94 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:36,160 it's helpful to know that your child would likely benefit with structure, routines, and clear expectations, like I said earlier. 95 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:41,160 So this just includes making sure that instructions are understood after you give them, 96 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:47,160 focusing on your child when talking to them rather than multitasking and talking to them, kind of like modeling good behavior, 97 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,160 supervising the child more often than their peers. 98 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,160 They do need more supervision most of the time in most cases, 99 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:59,160 maintaining good communication with their teachers and any other adult that they frequently come in contact with, 100 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,160 and then, of course, modeling calm behavior and focusing on effort and rewarding good behavior. 101 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,160 So that's ADHD. 102 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,160 Here's the kicker. 103 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,160 Yeah. 104 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,160 ADD is not accurate anymore. 105 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,160 Wow. 106 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,160 It falls under the umbrella of ADHD. 107 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,160 So they're not separate things anymore. 108 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,160 See, I always wondered about that too because I was like, okay, what's the difference? 109 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,160 Because I had a friend in elementary school who was diagnosed with ADHD, 110 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:29,160 and they just seemed like off the wall, crazy all the time, could not sit still, 111 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:36,160 and I was like, I have the same thing because it didn't ever really register to me because they just seemed so nuts all the time. 112 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,160 Yeah, came to the right place. 113 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:43,160 But I feel like in my adult years, I feel like I do have more manic episodes 114 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,160 or more like extra energy and things like that, sans coffee. 115 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,160 I will explain. 116 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,160 Yay. 117 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,160 Here's the difference and that's why that happens. 118 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,160 I'm so excited. 119 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,160 So attention deficit disorder, commonly referred to as ADD, 120 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:02,160 is used to describe a neurological condition with symptoms of inattention, distractibility, and poor working memory. 121 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:07,160 ADD symptoms in adults include trouble focusing on schoolwork or job work, obviously, 122 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:12,160 habitually forgetting appointments, easily losing track of time, and struggling with executive functions. 123 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:20,160 Patient with these symptoms may have what clinicians now call predominantly an attentive type, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. 124 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,160 So they've created a subtype of ADHD. 125 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,160 So I told you there was three types. 126 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,160 It's the subtype. 127 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:30,160 So the main difference, ADD is actually an outdated term and no longer a medical diagnosis, 128 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:35,160 though it's often still used to refer to a certain subset of symptoms that fall under the umbrella term of ADHD. 129 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:41,160 The symptom differences, people with ADD often lack the hyperactivity component of the disorder 130 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:45,160 and are usually considered a daydreamer or appear to be uninterested and disorganized. 131 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:46,160 That's me. 132 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,160 So, yes, me as well. 133 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,160 I think I have ADHD though I really do. 134 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,160 Yeah. 135 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,160 I'm just based on, and I talked to Casey about that honestly recently. 136 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,160 I was like, I need to get hyperactivity. 137 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,160 Yeah. 138 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,160 But I know I kind of like went through that really quickly, but yeah. 139 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:06,160 So I was always under the impression that ADHD and ADD were two completely different things and they sounded similar. 140 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:11,160 Maybe they had similar symptoms, but now ADD is no longer a term. 141 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:16,160 It's an outdated term and it's just falls under the category of the umbrella category of ADHD. 142 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,160 So what do you think I did next? 143 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,160 Did you look up celebrities? 144 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:22,160 I did. 145 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,160 Yay! 146 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,160 We're back to the celebrities. 147 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:30,160 So I went ahead and I looked up celebrities that have been diagnosed with ADHD or ADD. 148 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:36,160 And the first on our list is Simone Biles, the famous gymnast, if you don't know. 149 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:41,160 She won an outstanding 19 world champion in Olympic gold medals and she actually, I didn't know this. 150 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,160 She was actually part of the Larry Nassar case and she came forward with allegations. 151 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:46,160 I didn't know that. 152 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,160 Wow, good. 153 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:52,160 So apparently hackers had leaked confidential information. 154 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:59,160 They had gotten into medical records of hers and they leaked information about her use of prescription drugs. 155 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,160 Well, of course, when that came out, she was like, well, I have to make a statement about this, you know. 156 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:09,160 So according to ESPN, she said, quote, I have ADHD and have taken medication for it since I was a child. 157 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:15,160 Having ADHD and taking medication for it is nothing to be ashamed of, nothing that I'm afraid to let people know. 158 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:16,160 Good for her. 159 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,160 I know, right? 160 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,160 She seems like such a strong person. 161 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:24,160 And she got she got applause for normalizing the condition. 162 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,160 Number two on my list is Dave Grohl. 163 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,160 Oh, my son loves Dave Grohl. 164 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:36,160 If you don't know who that is, he was the food fighters frontman and he was a former drummer for Nirvana. 165 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:37,160 Yes. 166 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:43,160 He actually released a YouTube video in 2020 of July of 2020 called In Defense of Our Teachers. 167 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:52,160 And he actually revealed his childhood diagnosis of ADHD as a way of explaining his poor academic performance and actually dropping out of high school early. 168 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,160 Wow. 169 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,160 He is quoted as saying, I hate to break it to you, but I was a terrible student. 170 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:02,160 It was no fault of the Fairfax public school system, mind you, I did the best it could. 171 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:09,160 I was just stubbornly disengaged, impeded by a raging case of ADD and an insatiable desire to play music. 172 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:18,160 Far from being a model student, I did my best to maintain focus, but eventually left school halfway through 11th grade to become a professional touring musician, not advised. 173 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,160 I left behind countless missed opportunities. 174 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:31,160 So I did say he is earlier, I said attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and then in the quote it says ADD, but we just talked about the fact that they are subsets of each other. 175 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,160 ADD is a subset. 176 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,160 I'm trying to be clear because it sounded like I was wrong. 177 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,160 Three on the list is Justin Timberlake. 178 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:52,160 He actually is diagnosed with OCD and ADHD and he was noted as not publicly speaking about his condition, but he did once have an interview with Collider.com saying quote, I have OCD mixed with ADD. 179 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,160 You try living with that. 180 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,160 It's like Justin. 181 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,160 Justin. 182 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,160 Adam Levine is on here as well. 183 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,160 I freaking love him. 184 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,160 I don't care for Adam Levine. 185 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,160 You don't like him. 186 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:12,160 Although every single time I hear whatever that maroon 5 the stand standing in the right. 187 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,160 What is it? 188 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:14,160 Oh, it reminds me of Kelly. 189 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,160 She will be loved. 190 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:16,160 Yeah. 191 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:17,160 It's me with Kelly. 192 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,160 So if you don't know Adam Levine is he's the lead singer Maroon 5. 193 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,160 He was diagnosed early and was able to manage his ADHD as a child. 194 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,160 However, in adulthood, his symptoms became incapacitating at some times. 195 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,160 He said that when recording music became difficult, he knew it was time to get help. 196 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:38,160 And now he's very vocal about having ADHD and keeps constantly reminding fans that they're 197 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,160 not alone in the struggle. 198 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,160 Yeah, which is really cool. 199 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,160 What works for me is like when I'm studying and stuff, I literally try to do 15 minute 200 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:46,160 increments. 201 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,160 And I'll remind myself of what time is it. 202 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,160 Oh, okay, it's been 15, 20 minutes. 203 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,160 And even if I don't feel like I need to take a break, I take a break. 204 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:54,160 Yeah. 205 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,160 And I watch a YouTube video or I listen to some music or something in between or I read 206 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,160 an article or something, something that doesn't pertain to what I'm thinking about or having 207 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,160 to think about. 208 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,160 Uh huh. 209 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,160 And when I go back, then I still, like, it's like I'm refreshed again. 210 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,160 Yeah. 211 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,160 So I think I'm the same way, but I find myself doing, like when I was in college doing like, 212 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,160 you know, study sessions or when I researched the cases and stuff, I find myself doing like 213 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,160 an hour and then I'll stop for like a couple hours and then I'll come back. 214 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,160 The good thing about my job is that it's constantly changing. 215 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,160 Like I get phone calls and every time I get a phone call, something new is happening, 216 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,160 you know, so it's really engaging. 217 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,160 Channing Tatum is on here as well. 218 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:35,160 He's spoken openly before about his difficult past and now he confides in his learning challenges, 219 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,160 including ADHD, dyslexia, and he's taking medication currently. 220 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:45,160 In an interview with New York Times, he told the magazine, quote, you get lumped in a class 221 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,160 with kids with autism and Down syndrome and you look around and say, okay, so this is 222 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,160 where I'm at. 223 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,160 Or you get put in the typical classes and you say, all right, I'm obviously not like 224 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,160 these kids either. 225 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,160 So you're kind of nowhere. 226 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,160 You're just different. 227 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,160 And that's a direct quote from Channing Tatum. 228 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,160 You know, what's really interesting about the school system now is that they try to do 229 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,160 it on a kid-to-kid basis now. 230 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:10,160 So like say you have, you know, your child has advanced autism or is high functioning, 231 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,160 I guess what they would consider high functioning. 232 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:18,160 They don't use terms like that either anymore, which I didn't know, but a kid that's able 233 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,160 to participate in regular courses, but they just keep an extra eye out. 234 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,160 And so that's something that was like totally different than when I was in elementary school 235 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,760 because it was like your special needs or you weren't. 236 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,160 It's like you're secluded, honestly, from like the general public or you're not, you 237 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:33,160 know, like- 238 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:37,160 Yeah, and I would see kids that didn't have like an obvious physical disability and it 239 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,160 would be like, I wonder what they're in there for, you know? 240 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:46,160 But it's things like autism or severe ADHD and things like that that, you know, but it's 241 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,160 just interesting. 242 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,160 So I do want to say that I appreciate what he said. 243 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:55,160 However, yeah, school systems now at least were privileged enough to live in a school 244 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,160 system area that they do that. 245 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:58,160 Yeah, absolutely. 246 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,160 So it's more inclusive, definitely. 247 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,160 Yeah. 248 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,160 Emma Watson is also on here. 249 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,160 Emma Watson, like I immediately got Emma Watson. 250 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,160 Well, that's how you say her name. 251 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,160 That was so involuntary. 252 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,160 That just happened. 253 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:14,160 Oh, it's amazing. 254 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,160 Emma Watson. 255 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:20,160 So although she's never had a, you know, face-to-face interview about her condition, 256 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,160 sources do say that she's been medicated for ADHD since she was a child. 257 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,160 Michael Phelps is on here as well. 258 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,160 Oh, Michael Phelps. 259 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,160 Yeah. 260 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,160 Didn't he just start doing a depression campaign too? 261 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,160 Yeah, he's a really big mental health advocate. 262 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,160 He's super is, and I love it. 263 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,160 He was actually diagnosed with ADHD at age nine. 264 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,160 And according to his mother, swimming helped him manage his symptoms from a young age by 265 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,160 keeping him focused and disciplined. 266 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,160 Will I Am is on here as well. 267 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:49,160 Yeah, he stated that his music serves as his ADHD therapy and helps bring him control 268 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,160 to his thoughts when keeping his mind focused. 269 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,160 Anyway, so that was just a couple of celebrities. 270 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,160 I always like to do that because we always like to sing. 271 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,160 It's not far-fetched to think that everyone can, you know, if you have a brain, yeah, 272 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:00,160 you're susceptible. 273 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,160 We always say that. 274 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,160 Not to say that everyone will get a mental disorder or diagnosis. 275 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:08,160 But again, that's what we say is like, it's easy to be able to like see yourself in that 276 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:09,160 position. 277 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,160 Like you said, because we all have brains, our brains are all capable of doing this. 278 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,160 And that's how it manifests. 279 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,160 Yeah, absolutely. 280 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:20,160 I think it's really common to be empathetic to a lot of mental disorders, but it's very 281 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,160 easy to be sympathetic as well. 282 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,160 Even if you don't have those struggles yourself or you're not diagnosed with those things, 283 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:26,160 everyone can kind of relate. 284 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:31,160 So I think that's, that's, and again, I feel like we keep getting new listeners every day. 285 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,160 And I know that maybe you didn't start from the beginning, but yeah, that's one of the 286 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,160 biggest reasons why we're doing this is mental health advocacy, mental illness advocacy. 287 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,160 Like we really want to normalize conversations like these and, you know, don't be afraid 288 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,160 to, you know, talk about it and talk with your friends. 289 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,160 And I know some people don't have the means to go get an evaluation or, you know, the 290 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,160 waitlist is so long or whatever it is, but, you know, sometimes just talking to somebody 291 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,160 about it can really just be therapeutic in and itself. 292 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,160 Yeah, absolutely. 293 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:56,160 Yeah. 294 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,160 Anyways, thanks for joining us. 295 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:58,160 Thanks guys. 296 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,160 We'll be back with part two of Andre. 297 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,160 Yes. 298 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,160 Pretty soon. 299 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:02,160 Andre Cicatillo. 300 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,160 Love y'all. 301 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,160 Love you. 302 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:05,160 Bye. 303 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,160 Bye. 304 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:17,160 Bye.