Hello! I'm Koelle. And I'm Kenna. Welcome back to diagnosing a killer. Killer. Killer. Killer.
Wow, this is terrible. We're rapping about murder.
Is it really a rap though?
When you put it that way.
There was no beat.
Fair.
Hello everyone! We're excited to be back with another episode for you. We're listening pleasure.
Yes.
That was my thumb popping.
If you heard that.
It's only a part.
It did? Well, there you go.
Thumb popping.
So excited.
I just got a fork. I'm tired.
Yeah, some things have changed.
Things are always changing.
I know. Our lives are like up in the air.
All the time.
Hey, but at least it's not boring.
It's true.
There's always something to do.
I just recently got a new job. I'm sure everyone's heard because I keep talking about it, but I graduated from college and I got my psychology degree and I'm like,
as soon as I did it, I didn't know this was going to happen. I didn't know I was going to do this, but as soon as I got my degree, I was like,
yeah, service industry, not for me anymore.
I don't feel tied to waiting tables or bartending anymore.
So I kind of impromptuatively quit my job.
And I got a new job.
Yeah, but I don't know. Whatever.
It happened.
And I got a new job and I am now a patient care coordinator for a counseling center and practice in San Antonio, which is awesome.
That's so exciting.
And you got a new job.
Yeah.
I'm going to have to talk about it.
Well, I got a new job.
I got a job.
It's supplemental income.
That's what I call it.
It's supplemental income.
Hey, it's money.
You're making money.
For sure.
Yeah.
I'm excited.
I also have a trip coming up and it'll be in April.
So we'll probably have a few more episodes before that, but I'm going to go to Ohio.
Oh, yes.
I'm going to go see Trish.
I remember.
I'm so excited.
It's excited.
So speaking of friends, we got two new patreons in between the last episode and this one.
Yeah.
Thanks, friends.
Yeah.
Stye, Mizzle.
Got him.
We finally got him.
We got him.
And we also got Stephanie.
Stephanie is one of my old classmates and a good friend of mine.
And she said that she got one of her best friends hooked as well.
So thank you for listening.
I'm really excited to have you.
It's been kind of interesting because I feel like I run into people where I'm like,
oh, it's like conversation just happens.
Yeah.
Conversation flows.
And then I'm like, oh, me and my sister.
Yeah, we have a podcast.
And the person that I'm talking to is like, yeah, I already listened to you.
And I'm like, you do?
We're famous.
Oh my gosh.
I was like, oh, I love that.
That is funny.
I actually, it's funny side note completely.
But I just recently got a new car.
I don't know if I've said this on the podcast, but my car got hit back in September of 2021.
And it got totaled.
Thanks, Linda.
And anyways, long story short, I was looking for a new car a couple of weeks ago.
And I started to use, I'm not going to name the car service,
but a car service that didn't end up working out.
We ended up buying from them, but I talked to multiple representatives
for the car service in the process.
And I actually got like three of them to listen to.
So if you're listening, hello, I didn't end up buying a car for you.
I'm sorry.
But it's fine.
We're still friends.
Yeah.
But yeah.
Exciting.
So what's the time about?
Anything else?
I think that's, I mean, our lives are.
Some like alcoholics.
There's an empty like case of wine bottles here that I was supposed to cut into glasses.
For Richard.
Yeah.
They have the rose bottoms.
Yeah.
The rose.
Yeah.
Anyways.
Yeah.
So I think that's all the updates about any true crime updates or anything that you can think of.
I don't think so.
Is there a lot going on with the true crime world?
No.
There's, I mean, well, there's a lot going on internationally with Ukraine and all that,
which is kind of what my case has to do with.
And I, I think I've said this on the podcast before.
And if I haven't, I definitely say this to Ken almost every time.
But I feel like every case I do has some type of a recent update.
Yeah.
And so when I started researching this case, it dealt with a Ukrainian citizen and that I felt
like that was really like, what's, oh no, I like cursed the world by researching this guy.
Well, next time you do your research, just do like sunshine and rainbows and then everything will
go back to me.
Yeah.
I'll tell you what we took off.
Research being a millionaire.
Yeah.
Honestly.
And then two podcasts host became millionaires.
That's the end of the story.
Alrighty.
So we're going to kick it off.
All right.
We're going to talk about Andre Tick.
Oh, it's already happening.
Oh my gosh.
There's a lot of Ukrainian and Russian names.
So it's going to be, it's going to be a little difficult, but bear with me.
I will say now I feel like we've definitely gotten to know the listeners a little bit and
they've gotten to know us.
And so I'm going to do like minimal editing now, unless it's something really bad or if we're
trying to like repeat ourselves.
Fair.
But I think that they'll bear with us enough to kind of deal with us, you know, maybe not being
perfect all the time.
Of course.
Yeah.
We don't have to be perfect.
No one's perfect.
So today we're going to talk about Andre Ticketillo and he was born October 16th, 1936
in a small village of Yabloshne.
Oh, that was a good pronunciation.
Thanks.
I try.
I tried it out.
So you're a real Ukrainian.
So we're Russian.
So this is part of the USSR or what is now Ukraine.
So during this time under the regime of the Soviets in the control of Joseph Stalin,
there was actually a country-wide forced famine called the Holodomor.
Okay.
And so this is like kind of just a little bit of the background of like what he was
experiencing when he was a kid, right?
Mm-hmm.
So it was basically a mass genocide of local farmers because Stalin had basically said
that you couldn't purchase any like produce or anything from non-government sanctioned places.
So local farmers and stuff like that basically they were starved because they couldn't provide
for themselves, they couldn't buy anything.
Yeah.
That like really hurts my heart.
It's really sad.
So Stalin was basically terrified that Ukraine basically becoming a part of the USSR that they
would rebel about, well, I know, right?
How crazy to think of it now.
Yeah.
But this has happened before to the Ukrainian people, which is really sad.
So basically to destroy any hope of that and knowing that they were a really powerful country
due to their agricultural strengths, he basically sought to ruin the country by only allowing
produce to be purchased through government sanctioned suppliers, like I said.
But unfortunately this caused the death of somewhere between, somewhere between 3.5 million
and 7 million local farmers and villagers.
Holy shit.
Somewhere in between because they don't know the actual number.
Yeah, because they no one cared to document that.
No, of course not.
So of course, yeah.
Oh, that is so awful.
They were actually that this whole thing was actually attempted to be hidden from the world,
which is this is the very first time I had ever heard of it.
I have not heard about that either.
Wow.
So it actually wouldn't be coined as a genocide until 1953.
So like 20 years later.
Yeah.
Sorry, you just didn't want to say that.
I just said it.
It's okay.
So basically this is what Andrei, Andrei, I'm going to say Andrei, was exposed to at a really young age.
And actually his his mother would even tell him really horrible gruesome stories about cannibals
that lived in the area because people were like according to him when his mother said is that
people were being forced to eat each other because they were starving.
So do you think it was that like true or do you think that his mom was like being a dick or like
does she really believe that?
That's my question.
Right.
So I will tell you that she would tell him a story of a supposed older brother that he had
that before he was born.
Oh no.
And that neighbors had attacked him, killed him and eaten him.
I should have started.
So is that true?
There's actually never been any documentation that he had an older brother.
Okay, that makes me feel better.
So horrible story to tell your child though.
Yeah, what the fuck is that about?
So yeah, it was never actually confirmed that Andre even had a brother.
I'm going to go ahead and talk about this a little bit.
This whole story is pretty gruesome.
I'm just going to throw it out there for any of the listeners that are sensitive to
any sort of topic when it comes to assaults or graphic details pertaining to murder.
And we are also going to be talking about young people as well.
So I just want everybody to know that I might not always say content warning because it's
going to be a lot of content warnings.
So this is just an overall episode of content warnings.
So Andre was actually born with a condition called hydrosophilus.
It's also known as wet brain or water on the brain.
And through treatment, it can be simple to get rid of.
It's basically excess spinal fluid that is built up in the brain.
It almost sounds like fetal alcohol syndrome or a baby is born addicted or something.
But it's just OK to stop fluid.
So it's not alcohol caused.
Extra spinal fluid or that has built up in the brain that doesn't drain properly.
But it basically what it does is it pickles your brain.
Yeah, because it's just oversaturated.
And so treatment for this nowadays is really, really simple.
And I love that we always say this.
Like this isn't the 1930s, but this is the 1930s.
So it is a very simple procedure.
And especially they didn't have access to health care, things like that.
They were really poor.
And they wouldn't really grow area.
Yeah, if they couldn't even sell their freaking produce,
then what makes you think that they can get health care?
Actually, yeah.
Each one of their, I mean, they lived in a one bedroom hut, first of all, like a one room hut.
And the only thing that the Russian military or the government would allow them to have would be like
what would be the equivalent of a very, very small like apartment backyard.
You were able to use that for your farmland to produce for your family.
But that was it.
Yeah.
And that's not very feasible when potatoes take like four years to fucking grow.
Not really.
But a long time, you know, like you can grow one thing at a time
or you can grow like one of each thing at a time.
Of course.
Yeah.
So the family, you know, well, he was really malnourished as well.
So basically like nowadays what they would do is they would put like,
they put like a shunt in the back of your head to help drain the fluid into your spine.
And then it blocks it from refilling.
Right, exactly.
So it just, it helps get rid of all of that, right?
WebBrain presents itself in infants as like an enlarged head.
And in adults and older children, they may experience headache,
impaired vision, cognitive difficulties, loss of coordination, and unfortunately incontinence.
Oh.
So Andre began suffering these effects during childhood because it was never treated.
Yeah.
And since the family shared a one room hut, he usually slept on his parents' bed.
Okay.
But because he suffered from incontinence, he would often wet the bed.
Okay.
He was usually beat when this would happen by his mother.
Yeah, because that's his fault.
Yeah.
For sure.
They, I don't know.
I guess they, I don't know, like he was acting out or something.
I don't like this mom.
Yeah, already.
So his father would eventually go off and fight in the Second World War, and he unfortunately
had to leave the family in their one room hut and their barren farmland.
It almost reminds me of like the missions, like when we went and like we were kids and we went
to visit like the Alamo and the missions and stuff, and they had those little rooms that were made
of clay and stuff.
Yeah.
And you got to kind of see that's kind of, I'm picturing with that one room,
little area that you're talking about, you know?
One room, real small, like, of course,
probably had a little bit of like a-
No comfortability at all.
Probably had one little tiny stove or something.
Yeah.
Not even like a freaking one of the stand-up ones.
Yeah.
What do they call this?
Like a furnace.
Oh, I thought it was like a, hold on.
You see the shimenea.
Shimenea is not thinking.
I'm thinking of a shimenea.
So once wounded in combat, his father actually surrendered to a Russian holding camp,
and during his time in the Russian holding camp, he would observe like these horrible
tortures and senseless killings, nopsies, all that stuff.
On today's father was actually forced to be denounced publicly once he returned home to
the village as a traitor because he was wounded and he didn't like sacrifice his life.
Oh my god.
Okay, complete side note.
This reminds me, I was watching Belowdeck sailing,
yeah, this isn't going to give anything away because I know it's just airing.
If you're watching it, don't freak out, I'm not going to spoil anything.
But their chef this season was, he grew up in Venezuela and he was saying that he had
lived there for like 20 years and he hasn't been there in 20 years because he used to cook for
the president of Venezuela and when you work for him and you leave, you either get the hell out
of there or they kill you if you decide to quit.
And he literally was like crying.
He was like, I have not seen my family.
But now he's not on a national television show?
And he's saying that.
I know I'm not a little concerned for him, which is why I don't feel bad saying it here because
yeah, but he was like seriously, he's like, I haven't seen my family in 20 years.
I can go anywhere in the world except for Venezuela because if I go back, they will kill me.
And he was talking to one of the guys that works with him and he was saying like,
yeah, some people didn't make it out and the other guy was like, what do you mean?
Like they stayed in Venezuela.
He's like, no, they got murdered.
Like they killed them.
Like if you don't, that's just because you see too much.
You know too much.
You could hear too much.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, so like one, sorry, that just made me think of that because it's like,
he's now he's publicly viewed as a bad person technically.
I mean kind of, you know, if you think about a traitor, like,
yeah, he probably has a target on his back.
I mean, he definitely does after that.
It's yeah, exactly.
So yeah, like I said, when Andre's father came back, he was definitely labeled as a traitor.
So Andre's father would also return and find his wife pregnant.
How long was he gone for?
Oh, I want to say like a few years.
Oh, maybe like maybe a year or so.
So a weird like medical mystery.
She was just pregnant.
She's the Virgin Mary.
Yeah, didn't you know this was the story of Jesus?
No, I'm saying like it was definitely him before he left and like three years,
she's still pregnant and then no, what happened?
No, the bitch cheated.
So both of these things is why Andre would be tormented in class.
He was constantly bullied at school and would be called a traitor's son and a whore's son.
She definitely was the latter, but still like someone she was with someone else.
It was unclear.
No, that just really pisses me off that like he's getting bullied for that.
That was none of his decision.
Right.
Like teacher fucking kids better.
He was also often wearing handmade clothing and looked very pale and weak because he was so malnourished.
He was super short for his age because of the lack of nutrition.
So he was just a little kid, like a baby.
I'm assuming he later grows up to be the killer, but at the same time I feel bad for the kid.
Yeah, you gotta feel bad for the kid.
Not for the killer.
So that is in a nutshell, I think.
In a nutshell, all of the things that Andre experienced when he was little.
So with the famine and just the overall nastiness of the conditions he was living in and his
father leaving and his mom either having an extramarital affair or there were rumors that
maybe she was raped by an Nazi soldier.
And that that might have been because the Germans were infiltrating everything.
Well, I called her a bitch.
And now I feel bad.
Well, I mean, we don't know.
Okay.
You know, we really don't.
Andre had never had never talked about experiencing or remembering anything about
German men being in the home.
So and this this all happened after the fact that his mom was telling him the story about his
yes, brother.
This is a story that he that he was used to hearing growing up.
Okay.
So at this point, this is this is all throughout his elementary school experience and pretty much
his middle school experience or what our equivalency of that would
be just during those ages.
So Andre's father would come home and, you know, of course, the fact that he was labeled as a
traitor, he would come home, he would drink things like that.
From for what I can what I found out, I don't know what he did after he returned home from
serving in the military.
But he would most often tell Andre all of these really horrible stories about the things that
he witnessed in war.
I mean, like I can't even imagine I can like like sometimes when I'm watching like more
movies like Saving Private Ryan, like I almost couldn't finish it.
Like it was real.
It's hard to watch.
Imagine being there and that's not even like real.
I mean, it's realistic, but it's definitely not as realistic.
I can imagine as it is, you know, actual war.
So he was explaining all these things and to Andre when he was growing up.
But according to his younger sister, her name is Tatiana,
that their father was actually a very kind and forgiving man.
It was their mother who berated them and abused them when they were kids.
So in addition to this, Andre actually suffered from a visual disorder, which made it difficult for
him to read great distances in school.
So it was really hard for him to read a chalkboard.
So he also kind of got berated for that.
Like what are you, you know, stupid or whatever.
But when he would return home, he would read as often as he could because he could finally get
a book in front of this face.
So of course, much like other cases we've seen, you know, where people feel shunned out of their
social situations that they throw themselves into academics or books.
So that's what he did.
He would read magazines and books, specifically communist books and magazines.
He really identified with the Communist Party and identified as such.
All throughout his younger years.
So he would eventually graduate with excellence in his school.
And he was actually the only child in his village's immediate vicinity to actually complete all
years of schooling before college.
Oh, what are you, stupid?
What are you, stupid?
What are you, stupid or something?
But seriously, you're like the kids and what are you stupid?
No, actually, you are cute.
You are because I'm just crazy.
And I do feel like maybe that was part of the motivation was like, no, I'm going to show you.
Like you're the dummies.
Hell yeah.
You're the ones that are starting little baby farms when you're 12 years old, not me, you know.
Go kid, Andre.
So there is something about Andre, though.
Oh, Andre.
I said Andres, my bad.
Or Andre, Andre, Andre, yeah.
I said it with an S.
Andre, that's okay.
S is insane.
I'm on the phone a lot now lately and so I used to say like, yeah, S is insane because
you can't hear over the phone if you're saying S or F.
But I guess you can on the podcast.
Good.
So there is something about Andre.
Throughout his experiences finding interest in the other sex,
he was actually never able to get an erection.
So this is due to his birth condition.
Oh.
It, yeah, it causes incontinence and honestly just trouble with sexual organs in general.
Okay.
So of course, as he grew older and he did find attraction to women, females, young girls,
that he again was unable to have an erection or yeah,
content warning.
He does recollect however, on one occasion when he was a teen, he was play wrestling with his
younger sister's friend.
His excitement grew when he pinned the young girl down and he would actually end up ejaculating
in his pants.
What?
Completely without an erection.
What?
Yeah.
You can do that?
Like, I guess.
We're both female.
Like, yes.
You can do that?
So this was his first exposure to connecting sexuality and violence.
Yeah.
Because it was when he, when she was struggling when he pinned her down.
And it was play wrestling but he enjoyed it, you know?
So I think, I think I want to say, I want to say she was like 12, he was like 17.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, that's like creepy.
But also like that in itself, like getting pleasure out of a violent act as long as it's
not actually hurting the person and the person's consensual and it's something like
along those lines.
Sure.
Yeah.
Whatever.
You mean like BDSM?
BDSM.
Yeah, BDSM.
Yeah.
But when it comes to the point where the other person is not down and they
are actually being physically injured, like, what's it called, like permanently injured
or whatever it is.
Yeah.
And that's obviously it.
So Andre continued his schooling and although he was a super bright individual with vast
knowledge from all of his book reading, he actually failed his interim exams and was unable
to attend the college that he wanted to go to.
Okay.
Which was a local college.
He was absolutely convinced that the reason that he did not make it into that college
was because of his father's reputation.
I mean, it's not far-fetched to think that.
I mean, in my head, I'm thinking, I don't think these people really give a shit about
who your dad is, but he was convinced that like, you know what I mean?
Well, yeah, well, maybe something happened like during maybe the interview or something
and they brought it up or they mentioned that your dad, whatever.
Oh, your dad was in the military?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that makes sense.
So again, he thought that people in general just didn't want to see him succeed at this
point.
So he actually moved to, he wanted to move out of the village because he was like, no,
like, I'm never going to make any money here.
I'm never going to work here because people just assume that I'm a traitor son or I'm
a whore son.
So he actually moved to Kyrstrasia and he actually pursued a job as a laborer.
He did enjoy it.
He did it for about three months and then decided to enroll in a communications technician
course.
So there he met a woman of which he dated seriously.
The couple attempted to engage insects on three different occasions throughout the
course of their 18 month relationship.
He was unable to perform every time and the relationship and eventually they broke
up.
It kind of reminds me, I think it was Richard Chase that he also had that issue with, it's
not in continents, but what's the other?
Impotence.
Impotence, yes.
Like he had that issue as well and unfortunately it kind of made his relationships
dwindle as well.
I mean, I think it's a good thing that he's not just a person, he's a person who's
a person.
That's a, I think it's, I personally think a sexual life is a big part of a relationship.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
So after his vocational training, Andrei would then be drafted into the Soviet Army
in 1957 and this is where he stayed until 1960.
Okay, so that's bizarre to me though because at this point, as far as I'm concerned, Russia
and the Ukraine are one unit and they're fighting against the Nazis together.
Yeah.
So technically he's joined the same unit, not unit army, but military as his dad was
and his dad's now considered a traitor.
So you'd think that there would be a conflict of interest.
I get what you're saying.
However, it is World War II, so maybe they're like, fuck it, let's just take everyone we
can get.
Yeah, I think that's more of what it is and not only that, but he did move away from that
village.
Maybe, I mean, he could have lied and said, I don't even know who my dad is.
That's very true.
You know, so.
It is the 1930s.
I don't.
Because I went and had paperwork.
It's not the 1950s.
They didn't have paper back then.
So just.
So on today, actually excelled in his duties and joined the Communist Party officially
that same year in 1960.
So he was really excited about that because he had been growing up reading communist propaganda
stuff like his whole life.
That's what he kind of threw himself into.
So after he served in the military, he actually returned home to his native village and he
actually met a divorcee.
So a divorcee.
So they seem to get along pretty well, but after a few months, the woman actually began
asking some of her friends for sexual advice because of Andrei's conditions and how they
were experiencing intimacy issues.
So through this, actually many of the people in his peer group realized that he was impotent
and the relationship ended after just three months.
Oh, that sucks.
And he was incredibly embarrassed by it as one would.
Right?
On today's set about this time, quote, girls were going behind my back whispering that I
was impotent.
I was so ashamed.
I tried to hang myself.
My mother and some young neighbors came and pulled me out of the noose.
I thought no one would want such a shamed man.
So I had to run away from there.
I ran away from my homeland and quote.
Oh my gosh, that breaks my heart.
So sad.
So again, there's like a few, a lot of embarrassments when it comes to what he was raised in, how
he was brought up and who he is as a person.
You just can't catch a break, man.
He's just like tons of self loathing.
Like none of this is his fault either.
It's not like he asked or caused any of this.
That's for causing.
That's really sad.
So Andrei actually moved back to Russia in a town called Rostov-on-Don.
I don't know how to, that's my best.
That's fine.
He tried.
A plus.
He would actually work as a communications engineer and eventually found a small apartment
in Soviet Russia in 1961.
So this is about a year later after he left the military.
So soon after he moved, actually his sister, she had finished school locally at the village
and then she actually moved in with Andrei.
And she said that the times that she actually lived with her brother, she never found him
anything other than normal.
She always thought he was a really normal dude, other than the fact that he was absolutely
terribly shy when it came to being around women.
So Tatiana actually would marry a local man within six months of her living in the city
with Andrei.
Wow.
Yeah, six months.
That's like you move there and they just like found love.
Yeah, and he's like, wow, like fuck me, right?
Yeah.
So Tatiana was actually more determined than ever to find her brother a maid at this point.
So she would eventually introduce Andrei to a friend of hers named Fiodosia.
Okay.
Probably Fiodosia.
I think you nailed it.
Fiodosia?
Just, I like that because it rhymes, but I think it's Fiodosia.
But she went by Fenya, okay?
So we're going to call her Fenya.
Okay, this is not anything that's correct.
Other than the F.
Yeah.
And maybe the E.
Might as well go by Frank.
Yeah.
All right, so him and Frank started dating.
So yeah, she went by Fenya and in 1963, so this is like two years after he moved to the
city and Tatiana moved in with him and then she got married within six months.
Tatiana actually moved in with her husband's family, so he was living by himself.
Is this after, sorry, is he still in the army at this point?
No, he's already left.
Yeah.
So he was doing like a communication, vocational, something like labor stuff in between this time.
No, it's okay.
So yeah, so in 1963, so this is two years after they moved to the city and within two weeks of
meeting, the couple married. What Fenya and Andrei?
Within two weeks of meeting?
Of meeting.
I'm sorry, this sounds really bad.
I don't really want to ask this, but like, do they have sex during the two weeks?
Like does she know?
I don't know.
Does she know?
So I don't know.
So maybe not.
He's not a sexual person, so I wouldn't think so.
So although Andrei found Fenya attractive, he does claim that the whole situation felt so
arranged that there was a little love between the two of them.
Okay.
Yeah.
But I mean, I recently saw a show where there was like kind of an arranged marriage situation,
or it was similar to one, and the two people actually really loved each other because they
got to grow to know each other and grow to love each other.
And it was kind of sweet.
So the couple of course had trouble intimately, right?
You don't say.
However, the couple wanted children.
Okay. I mean, yeah, understandable.
A couple, they want kids.
They want kids.
So Fenya was actually very understanding of Andrei's situation, and ultimately they conceived by
at-home insemination.
So he choked her until he jizzed without erection.
He did not choke her.
He was never violent towards Fenya.
But that's the only way that he's ever ejaculated in his past.
He might have been behind closed doors, I don't know.
But either way, he basically blasted into his hand and then, yeah, at-home insemination.
That was the nice way of saying that.
I was thinking like turkey baster, but okay.
Well, yeah, I mean, I don't even know if they have a turkey baster.
I mean, it is by the 1930s.
I mean, if you think that's not the 1930s anymore, it's the 1960s.
Do they have turkeys?
Do they have turkeys in the 1960s?
Were turkeys even a thing?
Did people eat turkey in the 1960s?
I want to make it clear.
I'm totally joking. I know the turkeys have been around since America has been around.
So either way, the couple would go on to have two children.
And in 1965, the couple welcomed their daughter, Ludmilla.
And in 1969, four years later, they had a son, Yuri, and he was born in 1969.
I said that already.
Yeah.
So Andrei would actually enroll in Rostov University in 1964.
So this was a year before Ludmilla was born.
Okay.
And in 1970, so this was a year after Yuri was born, 1970, he would graduate with a literary
and philosophy degree.
Oh, wow.
So Andrei...
Where's the poop?
Where's the poop, right?
Where's the poop, Andrei?
I don't know.
We're going to have to see.
So he works for...
As bad as it is to start killing till he's in his 60s.
It's an old man.
He worked for a short time before starting a teaching job in Russian language and literature.
So although Andrei was a smart man, he seemed incapable of controlling a classroom environment.
He was often talked negatively about by his peers and mocked by both teachers and students
for his mild-mannered approach to teaching.
Wow.
Yeah.
God forbid someone's fucking nice.
He was super lax on the discipline.
And so, which again, you know, again, you're thinking where's the poop, right?
You're thinking he's like the best teacher.
We've only had one instance where he wrestled that girl to the ground and that's pretty much it.
Yeah.
Otherwise, he's tried to live a very normal life.
Considering.
I mean, shit.
So of course, with everything that's going on, you know, we're talking about,
here's the buildup, right?
So his rage actually starts just to boil inside of him at this point.
Yeah, I will be fucking pissed too.
I'm like, dude, I'm trying to do you a favor and make school like fun and you're gonna be a dick about it.
He's just not catching a break.
So in May of 1973, Andrei would commit his first assault.
Okay.
While swimming with students, he grabbed a hold of a girl.
So swimming like this was basically where he was teaching was like a boarding school.
Okay.
So there's gyms and I was like, why was he swimming with students?
And tennis courts and all different like this is where the kids live.
So while he was swimming with some students, he did grab a hold of a girl and attempted to grope her.
So while she was struggling to get away, he ejaculated.
How does one ejaculate?
How does one ejaculate that quickly?
I don't know.
Oh, he's like, oh, he's tired.
Ah, shit.
Second.
Jesus.
So this was reported to the school.
However, nothing was done about it.
Say what?
It gets worse.
A few months after this incident, Andrei had actually locked a young girl in his classroom under the guise of disciplining her.
He sexually assaulted the girl and then beat her.
Nothing was done about the situation either.
They knew?
Yeah.
Teachers even noticed that sometimes Andrei would touch himself around the students in the schoolyard.
And everyone was like, that's cool.
Nothing was done.
In fact, one of Andrei's duties was to ensure that students, mainly the females,
who were boarded at the school actually made it to their dormitories at night.
They let someone that has a record of assaulting young women.
Does he have a record though?
Well, it's not documented, but people obviously know about it.
This was absolutely including the girls' dormitories in which he was allowed to go in and out of at night.
Why?
So they're like, they're literally isn't documentation of how many other victims he might have had.
Yeah.
Okay, this, no, that someone fucked up right there.
Because what?
It's gross.
So eventually he was pulled aside and was told he would have to resign or be fired.
Okay, instead of just like, buy, get out of here, you're terminated and you need to go to jail?
Yeah, no.
Of course he decided to resign.
However, he would get another job teaching by January of 1974.
Because no one's fucking saying like Black Mark on your record, this guy's a child assailant,
like a sexual assailant.
Yeah.
Oh my god, that's so cool.
He worked at his new location for the next four years until staff cutbacks occurred,
leaving him jobless.
Who knows how many people he assaulted during those four years?
During those four years.
And he got like let off on a technicality.
He got, yeah, he was let go because there were, there were staff cutbacks.
It was around this time that André had actually purchased a derelict home that his wife did not
know about near where he worked.
This same year, André would commit his first known murder.
Yeah.
So this is eight years into teaching.
Who knows how many people he's assaulted because clearly no one gives a fuck.
Yeah.
He's doing this and people are like letting it slide.
And then he gets not terminated, not arrested, laid off because of budget cuts.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yelena Zakhetnova, who went by Lana, was nine years old and she lived in the same district
in which André had been working as a teacher.
Okay.
On December 22nd, just right before Christmas, Lana was walking from a friend's house that night.
She was actually really excited for Christmas and the girls, her and her friend,
every year, they would, it's really adorable.
So I had to leave this in there.
They would write wishes on pieces of paper.
They would burn them and then they would take the ashes and sprinkle them in either champagne
or vodka and they would drink them and they were their wishes for the next year.
It was like their New Year's thing.
Isn't that sweet?
That's really adorable, but who the fuck is drinking vodka at nine years old?
I, a Russian girl.
She was.
A Russian girl.
That's so fitting.
Yeah.
Honestly.
And she loved it and they would, they would always toast to the New Year and they called it magic.
It was their magic.
We used to do that.
Isn't that cute?
That's really cute.
I like that.
So after drinking the mixture with her friends, Lana said that she better had home.
It was dark at this time and she needed to use the restroom.
So walking in a hurried manner, a man steps out onto the sidewalk behind her.
Okay.
And starts kind of calling at her saying, Hey, hey, like I have gum, I have candy.
Oh, cliche.
And she turned around and said, no, thank you, mister.
I need to head home.
I need to use the restroom.
He then offered for her to use the restroom at his house so that she wasn't uncomfortable
all the way going home.
Tell me she said no.
She hesitated at first, but then she decided to follow him inside.
Oh my gosh. Once inside, Ondre banged her head against the wall, knocking her unconscious.
He tried to sexually assault her, but was unable to maintain an erection.
Oh, go figure.
This enraged him so much that he began to stab her.
He stabbed her three times or so, and then he actually ejaculated at the site of her blood.
She began to wake up in an attempt to speak, and then he then strangled her to death.
Oh my gosh.
Ondre took her body to a nearby river and dumped her there in the water.
She wasn't found for two days, and her backpack was found on the bank.
While canvassing the neighborhood, neighbors were quick to tell about the almost haunted
looking house on the block.
They knew that a man lived there and that there were people going in and out all of the time.
There were mostly sex workers or drug addicts going in and out of the house.
They were lured by a man who lived there that promised drugs, money, or food.
Investigators saw blood in the snow leading up to the dilapidated house.
Ondre was taken into custody to be interviewed.
Although many neighbors had claimed that they saw Ondre and the girl together for a brief
moment that night, Fenya would actually come to her husband's defense and say that he was home all night.
Why?
Why did they do that?
No.
It was revealed much, much later in the story that Fenya was actually at work.
She had no idea where Ondre was at the time.
So she wasn't even home?
She wasn't even home.
Maybe that makes it better though, because maybe she's like, well I wasn't home.
Maybe he was home because I don't know because I wasn't there.
Exactly.
Okay, I kind of understand that.
It's not like she was home and he was not there, and then she was like, oh yeah, he was there all night.
I mean, to be fair, they've been married for like 10 years and they have two children together.
Two children together.
The first thing that you don't think is like, or that it's not the first thing you think that
like, oh he's doing something wrong or illegal.
So police actually accepted that Ondre must not be the perpetrator because he had an alibi.
I mean, he kind of seems like-
Even though there was blood outside the house.
He's getting away with it a lot.
And at this point, they can only tell that blood, there's not, there's no like DNA process at this point.
Yeah.
They can only tell what type it is.
They can collect it, but they can't test it.
Exactly.
They can say that, oh maybe this is Lana's blood type, but it's not necessarily Lana's blood.
Yeah.
So.
And to be fair, blood types are very common, you know, most of them are.
So a few doors down from Ondre's shanty lived a man named Alexander-
Grandbel.
Alexander Kravchenko and his wife.
Alexander had been convicted previously of rape and murder.
So the police were interested in speaking with him about Lana.
The one time he doesn't do something, they want to talk to him.
Poor guy.
Um, I mean still fuck that guy.
So when in the house talking to Alexander and his wife, police noticed that there appeared to be blood on Alexander's wife's clothing.
Alexander's alibi for the time of the murder is that he was with his wife and their mutual friend at home having dinner.
Police now believing that they had the man that they were looking for
threatened Alex, his wife and the friend with charges if Alex did not confess to the murder.
Okay, so they're just gonna believe that homeboy is like at home with his wife,
but they're not gonna believe that this guy is at home having dinner with two other people.
Two other people.
They thought that they threatened Alex with the murder.
They threatened his wife with like accessory.
Accessory and then the friend with perjury.
It almost seems to me like
for some reason this the fact that he was in the military is kind of helping him get away with things.
Yeah.
Like maybe people work new.
Maybe and he's a teacher.
Yeah, well maybe his coworkers at the school knew that he was ex-military and they were like
whatever, I mean like yeah, he might have done something but like he's probably fucked up from the military or whatever.
And then maybe these cops are like looking into his background.
Well, exactly.
He was ex-military, you know.
So stand up dude.
Are we really gonna like try to persecute someone that's a prosecute?
Someone that doesn't have a record.
And here's this man that lives-
Even though he's done so much shit.
He has.
Even though this, there's this guy Alexander looked right down the street.
He's a rape, a Santa murder.
Wouldn't have put it past him.
So Alex's wife would ultimately change her statement saying that Alex was not in the house for a few hours that night.
Oh, she just turned on his ass.
She turned on his ass.
Hard.
Oh my god, I'd be like, bitch, fuck you.
It is awful.
And with this, Alex would actually confess to the murder.
A confessed, a coerced confession is always so- it pisses me off so much.
It's so bad.
I mean, don't get me wrong, this guy's a piece of shit too.
However, why are you gonna confess to something that you didn't do?
Oh, it always like fucking baffles me.
At Alex's trial, he maintained his innocence saying that he only confessed under extreme duress.
Unfortunately, he was found guilty and he was sentenced to death.
He was executed by firing squad in July of 1983.
Not even kidding.
Okay, imagine going to prison for any amount of time for something that you didn't do.
Now imagine getting put on the death penalty for something that you didn't fucking do and actually getting killed.
But do you think that maybe somewhere in his mind, like, it was like,
karmatic for him because he was already-
No, again, he's a piece of shit.
...be a victim of rape and murder?
Do you think that maybe some type of like serendipitous circumstances put him in this position?
And then, I mean, that's honestly, I might feel that way.
I'd be like, maybe I deserve this.
And maybe that's why I'm being convicted of something I didn't do.
I mean, I could see it.
Is because I should have been here already.
I can see it.
Again, this guy is definitely a piece of shit.
I just don't agree with the fact that he didn't do that crime and he got charged and killed for that crime.
And then Andre over here is just like, yippy-skippy, like whatever,
I'm just hanging out with my not-wife at my not-house.
Like, I wasn't there that night.
Like, oh my- that is- isn't that horrible?
I think that's one of the first times I've ever heard of someone
not only getting convicted of something that they didn't do, but getting actually killed
from something that they didn't do.
Yeah.
And they were ruthless back then with the death penalty.
Ugh, that's awful.
That's just like mind-blowing.
Andre would actually find work again after Lana's murder because, again, he was jobless
because he was laid off, right?
He began teaching for another school and in 1981, his teaching career and his assault
streak on students would end.
Complaints were filed by parents and teachers about Andre's assault on
children of both sexes at this point.
Oh.
Not just girls.
Yeah.
So he was fired from the school.
So this would be the last time that he would work in a school system.
Oh, this school actually did something like-
Finally.
On today, would then begin to work as a traveling supplies clerk for a Russian factory company.
Okay, so now he has access to people's homes.
Right?
So he's like traveling, like multiple victims.
It's cool. More access to people in general.
At this point, Andre was realizing that he needed violence in order to achieve sexual pleasure.
He did know that he craved this type of interaction again, but he knew that he was wrong.
So watch a scary movie.
Or watch a fucking gory movie.
I don't know.
Andre claimed that he would often cut off business trips for a shorter amount of times
just to return home in fear of committing another murder.
So he knew that once he had Lana and that interaction, nothing was going to satisfy him in that way.
And so that's what he claimed.
He claimed that he would come home early to not commit murders.
Yeah, I don't really think that he's a good guy, so I don't really give a shit.
No.
If you were like, I had to go home to like not commit murder.
Like-
How gracious of him.
Literally.
Thank you for that.
Good for fucking you.
So in September of 1981, Andre would encounter a 13 year old named Larissa-
Chakenko.
Oh.
That was that was all right.
Yeah.
Larissa Chakenko.
And she was actually near a bus stop.
He walked up to her and he asked if she was interested in participating in in bibing and some alcohol,
some vodka.
In bibing.
What does that mean?
Is to drink.
What?
You didn't know that?
I did not.
I learned something.
So he was like, let's take a walk.
Let's drink some vodka.
Let's relax in the park.
So she agreed to it.
She was like, why not?
He also said that he had weed, I think.
How old is he at this point?
Um, let's see.
This is 1981 and he was born in 36.
So he's almost 50.
Probably.
Yeah.
Cause I was-
And he's hanging out with a 13 year old.
That's-
I mean, what a-
Like-
It's odd V, right?
Well, yeah.
And he's an adult.
He's the one that needs-
That should know better.
Yeah.
Cause 13 year old doesn't know any better.
Right.
Of course.
Yes.
So he actually walked up, like I said,
asked her to have a few drinks with him,
walked through the park.
Content warning.
Once secluded, he then began to attack her.
On a day aggressively threw her to the ground
and actually began to try to sexually assault her.
Again, he was unable to perform sexually
and he grew enraged.
He then began to shove dirt and earth
into her face and mouth.
He beat and strangled her.
However, he wouldn't be satisfied until he saw blood.
But knowing that he didn't have a knife
or a sharp instrument on him,
he began gnawing at her with his teeth.
What?
Until he ultimately cut out a chunk of skin on her breast.
And with the blood, he then, of course, ejaculated.
He actually ended up swallowing the amount of flesh.
Oh no!
She did not survive the attack, of course.
He then loosely covered her body with leaves and dirt
before leaving the scene.
Literally, so was found the next day.
Okay, no one can see me, my hand is over my mouth,
and I don't know what to say.
What's a lot?
The only question I have is that,
is her cause of death also a strangulation?
Or was it that?
I believe it's strangulation.
I was looking on the Wikipedia page
because they do have a list of victims.
Yeah.
And they have names, sex, age, and then how they make it.
And then how they met.
But I didn't scroll over to see if there was a cause of death.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm just, I just didn't say anything.
It wasn't blood loss.
June 12th, 1982 was a normal day for Lubov Burek.
Her mother had actually asked her to help secure some groceries
for the family and some medication
because her mother wasn't feeling well.
Lubov was actually an independent soul,
and she had absolutely no problem
navigating the area of town that she lived in.
And so while waiting for the bus,
her last errand of the day was to go pick up medication.
She actually encountered Andrei.
He was walking in between two bus stops.
So he was trying to catch one and get to another.
And he decided just to walk at that point.
And probably because he saw Lubov.
And he was like, oh, okay.
So he was actually talking to her
and what she was trying to explain,
like I'm trying to get to the pharmacy or whatever.
And he goes, oh, I know a really great shortcut
if you go this way, right?
And I can show you.
Do it.
So she obliged and she was like, sure.
They started walking down until the two came to like
a hidden point at this park or woods
where they were like kind of covered by bushes.
And then he began his attack.
Andrei attacked her with a knife.
He stabbed her as he tried to sexually assault her.
He stabbed and slashed her 22 times.
Oh my God.
Mostly in the head, the neck, the chest,
and her groin area.
Oh my God.
And she struggled, of course.
He attempted to mutilate her eyes as well.
Why?
What the fuck?
I'll tell you why.
She was ultimately found 15 days later.
And after this second killing,
Andrei then knew like that was all he was ever going to do.
He realized like in that moment, like I'm a killer.
Like I need this in my life.
Like you don't.
What is horrible?
So he actually began killing indiscriminately between July and September of 1982.
He would have five more victims between the ages of nine and 18, both male and female.
My God.
His bonus operandi was that he was targeting runaways.
He was targeting drug addicts, sex workers, and he also enjoyed picking up people at certain
locations like we've seen the bus stops, but he would also frequent train stations as well.
He enjoyed doing that high traffic area thing.
Like he wasn't afraid to lure someone, which was interesting to me.
Well, it's one of those things I guarantee you he thinks back on it and he's like,
there were so many people around and I still did it.
Exactly.
Okay.
So that's exactly what I was thinking of because another part of his MO is that he takes people
to what seem like secluded locations, but they're not always secluded.
They're like city parks and woods and things like that.
It's not like they're out in nowhere.
You think he wants to get caught?
I think so.
I think it's like that thrill and I don't know.
That's something that I don't.
I feel like there's certain reasons or things that were put in motion to what his MO is,
especially during the assault.
But I wonder what that out in the open thing is because that comes from somewhere.
Well, to be fair, he was sanctioned in this little tiny area when he was younger and his
family was only given so much space to grow and to be able to live.
I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but that's what I think of when it's like
these big open spaces.
Like maybe that's what brings him comfort because that's not what he had growing up.
Growing up?
Yeah.
I don't know.
And I don't know if it's like a bravado thing, but what am I trying to say?
Like an arrogance thing?
I did this right under everybody's nose.
If you're new here, by the way, listeners, this is kind of what we do as well.
We obviously talk about true crime, but we also like to speculate on the psychological
aspect of things and the potential mental illness of the killer.
So that's what we're doing.
That's what I'm talking about.
I just really feel like it's a blatant disregard, honestly.
Like you just like, I don't care.
Like this is what I need and whatever.
Most of his victims, and you asked about the eyes earlier,
they had their eyes mutilated or torn out.
I hate eye stuff that like really freaks me out.
I can touch my eyes.
I wear contacts.
I can touch my eyes, but like injuring my eyes, it like terrifies me.
Yeah, that's scary.
Like a sharp thing.
I'm like, oh.
So there's actually a Russian superstition that the last moments of death are actually
imprinted on the back of your eyes.
What?
That's really interesting.
I didn't know that that was a thing.
Yeah, and like I said, I think that I, maybe I've heard that somewhere and I want to say
it was Rasputin, but I'm not really sure.
But I've definitely heard that before.
And so yeah, I just think that's really interesting that it's, yeah, mainly a Russian
superstition or that's where it originated from.
So what was his, what do you think his goal was in that?
Was it like to erase that from happening?
To not get caught.
Yeah.
But like, okay, this is just me thinking about the first
I don't know what happened obviously, but the first, not the first, the second murder that
you talked about, it almost seemed like he went for the eyes kind of like towards the
end of his attack.
And so wouldn't the beginning of the attack be imprinted in his mind or if that superstition
folds?
It's the last moments of death.
Oh, like right before you die.
Yes.
That, that is, it's like a, oh, I remember where it was.
It was Wild, Wild West.
With Will Smith.
Will Smith is listening and he's disappointed.
Well, no, because I remembered him.
Yeah.
It's in Wild, Wild West, I think, where they literally take the guy's eyeball and like
put it on a projector and they like turn it, like invert it so you can see the last
moments of death and you find out who the bad guy is.
Like straight up.
That's what it was.
And also a Rasputin.
That's, that's very bizarre.
And that's really fucked up that he does that.
Yeah.
So he did that.
Yeah.
So he definitely did that with intent.
There was a reason for that.
So another part of his MO is that the victims also had mutilations done to their sexual organs.
So.
I mean, that's a given.
Yeah.
Because he hates his own sexual organs and he is projecting that on his victims.
So for males, he would castrate the males either with a knife or by tearing through
the flesh with his teeth.
And I said that in the nicest way possible.
He would also swallow parts, especially the sexual organs.
Wait a second.
Ding.
Light bulb.
His mom had that cannibal story when he was growing up that she told him about.
That makes, okay, again, making these connections from childhood to now.
That makes, doesn't make sense obviously, but that connection is there.
If you're going to put a potion together, there's all the pieces, right?
Yeah.
Like you're going to dabble in some cannibalism.
You're going to dabble in the famine and the starvation.
And then you're going to dabble in the.
Seclusion.
The seclusion and the unable to perform because of the incontinence and the sexual
aspect of it.
And you're going to dash all that in together.
And then.
I don't think I've really ever.
Stir it up with some bully and then.
Yeah.
Then.
I don't think I've really ever heard a story kind of
like this where every kind of part of the MO really you can connect it to something.
Not make sense.
I don't want to say it makes sense, but you can connect it to something in the childhood.
Yeah.
Most of the time it's like, yeah, well, you can connect this and this and this,
this, you know, links together.
But then what the hell is that?
That's kind of out there.
It's kind of weird, you know, but that.
Wow.
It's pretty interesting.
Yeah.
I mean, that's not the most damning piece of evidence right there.
Let's look at your childhood.
So for females, you know, to the counterpart of the male, he would cut or tear their breasts
or parts of their lower abdomen, even like the uterus and stuff.
That's really awful.
On December 11, 1982, Andre came across a 10 year old named Olga Stalmachev.
Oh, not the 10 year old.
She was alone riding the bus on her way to her parents' house.
Andre had actually struck up a conversation with her and they actually got off the bus together.
A few riders actually took notice of the odd couple because it seems strange that he pulled
her by her hand once off the bus. And of course, he's 50 and she's 10.
Yeah.
And clearly people that were listening to the conversation knew that they were probably just
meeting each other.
Yeah, not like dad and daughter.
Yeah.
Andre walked with her onto the outskirts of town, actually, where he then took her,
slashed her, stabbed her over 50 times, killing her.
Oh my God.
He then mutilated her body. He removed her sexual organs as well.
So he's getting like more, like he's adding more things on and he's taking more time.
Unfortunately, Olga would not be found for another four months later.
Oh my gosh.
It's really sad.
In January, 1983, investigators pieced together that there's a potential serial killer on the
loose.
You don't say.
Right.
So I did look up how many victims he had at this point and I want to say it's about 13 victims
by the time they start connecting some of these.
And this is before Olga's actually found.
This was, so Olga passed in December.
She wasn't found until April, but in January, investigators were like,
okay, there's like clearly some issues happening here.
There was at least four victims that police are now officially linking at this point with MO
and age range as well.
And probably like location.
And location likely.
So as Andrei continued to kill, case by case, more and more are linked to the idea of a serial
murderer.
Okay.
So this is again, this is January and then Olga won't be found until April,
but I think you had two others in between there somewhere.
And I'm not trying to discredit all of the victims at the end.
I will, you know, of course, list the victims out of respect for each one of them.
But the ones that I am talking about, not just for time's sake, but it's because there's
substantial evidence and yeah, substantial evidence of it, not just hearsay by Andrei,
because he does eventually talk about it.
There are more knows he's probably fabricating.
They're they're noteworthy is what it is.
Like each one has either an escalation or a different type of MO that's coming to light.
Yeah.
You know, things like that.
So, so of course, they're trying to link it to the serial murderer, right?
Trying to.
Yeah.
Police are convinced, however, that the killers are a part of a group of perpetrators who are
either harvesting organs or Satanists because why not?
Or it's that Alex guy that we killed years ago and he's still on the loose for Alex.
Oh, so sad.
Why the Satanists?
Why the Satanists always get picked on?
It's always the Satanists.
They always get picked on.
Like Satanism is literally like not even what it sounds like.
And it's not what people think it is.
And people always get fucking the oh, it must be those fucking Satanists.
Yeah.
Well, it is the 80s, though.
So, you know, that was a big right.
The the what was it?
The coming out panic.
Yeah.
Kind of like the Helter Skelter.
Yeah, the Helter Skelter.
God.
Dummies.
A manic panic.
That's a fucking hair dye brand.
It is.
That's my hair dye brand.
So police began to kind of sidebar create a profile of a person if it was a man or men
that exists.
What kind of perpetrators would they be?
And let me guess, it looks nothing like.
Well, they did say they said, you know, it's probably pedophiles or homosexuals
because why not homosexuals?
Why not homosexuals?
That's what I'm saying.
So they actually begin to interrogate known sex offenders around the neighborhood.
The neighborhoods where the victims were found in.
Well, that's not going to work because he's not a known sex offender.
He's not.
He's never been convicted of anything.
He's a known sex offender.
We know.
They don't.
So although some men actually confessed to the crimes,
the confessions were almost always thrown out given that the men were under extreme pressure
due to hours of interrogations.
Dude, just like Alex, what is up with this fucking skewed mindset of like,
I don't give a shit if you did it or not, we're going to put someone away.
Yeah.
It's literally to keep the like public panic and dismiss that.
This is you know what?
It doesn't matter who did it.
We're going to say that we got the guy so that the public can stop freaking out.
Yeah.
That is so fucked up.
The these tactics were so heavy handed.
In fact, three men who were homosexual actually committed suicide after being outed
and subject to brutal interrogation tactics.
Oh my God, that hurts my heart.
Because they were publicly shamed.
Oh my God.
For being gay.
It's not awful.
That really hurts my heart.
It's really sad.
Poor things.
That's how like awful these idiots are.
Like, I mean fuck Andrei, but like these guys are idiots.
Like what the fuck?
Like however statistically as a result of the determination of some of these investigators,
over 1000 unrelated crimes were actually solved during this time.
Okay, I mean, we'll give you that.
This includes 95 unsolved murders, 140 aggravated assaults, and 245 rape cases.
What were these guys doing before they started looking into this fucking serial murder?
They started looking into this fucking serial murder or 95 murders?
Unsolved.
This is where I mean, I guess they got bigger shit going on in this town.
I fucking know.
Jesus.
So again, so far Andrei's murder count is 14 victims.
And that is where we will stop.
It's going to be a two-parter.
It's going to be a, oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, we are kind of far away.
We're already on 14.
We got a bit of a ways.
Oh, okay.
Well, I don't know what's going to happen next, so I have to wait with the listeners too and see.
It's exciting.
That was good.
Oh my gosh, I'm really, I don't want to say I'm excited, but like.
I'm so excited to hear about the rest of this terrible crime.
Wow, that's good.
I really liked that.
It's a lot.
It's very interesting so far and that's a lot of information.
So yeah, to be fair to the listeners, we don't want a three hour episode.
Yeah.
Stopping for part one is probably the move.
I feel so bad for Alex.
Dude, what the fuck is that?
I mean, he's also a raper.
I mean, he is a raper.
He is a raper, murderer.
But I don't know if he deserved to get like murdered like in not in cold blood, but death penalty.
I mean, it's pretty cold in Russia.
That is cold blooded.
A firing squad.
That is cold blooded.
Damn.
RIP Alex.
But also like rest of distress because you're a fucking terrible person.
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