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Hello! I'm Koelle. And I'm Kenna. Welcome back to diagnosing a killer. Killer. Killer. Killer.

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Wow, this is terrible. We're rapping about murder.

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Is it really a rap though?

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When you put it that way.

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There was no beat.

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Fair.

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Hello everyone! We're excited to be back with another episode for you. We're listening pleasure.

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Yes.

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That was my thumb popping.

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If you heard that.

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It's only a part.

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It did? Well, there you go.

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Thumb popping.

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So excited.

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I just got a fork. I'm tired.

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Yeah, some things have changed.

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Things are always changing.

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I know. Our lives are like up in the air.

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All the time.

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Hey, but at least it's not boring.

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It's true.

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There's always something to do.

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I just recently got a new job. I'm sure everyone's heard because I keep talking about it, but I graduated from college and I got my psychology degree and I'm like,

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as soon as I did it, I didn't know this was going to happen. I didn't know I was going to do this, but as soon as I got my degree, I was like,

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yeah, service industry, not for me anymore.

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I don't feel tied to waiting tables or bartending anymore.

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So I kind of impromptuatively quit my job.

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And I got a new job.

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Yeah, but I don't know. Whatever.

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It happened.

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And I got a new job and I am now a patient care coordinator for a counseling center and practice in San Antonio, which is awesome.

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That's so exciting.

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And you got a new job.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to have to talk about it.

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Well, I got a new job.

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I got a job.

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It's supplemental income.

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That's what I call it.

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It's supplemental income.

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Hey, it's money.

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You're making money.

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For sure.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm excited.

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I also have a trip coming up and it'll be in April.

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So we'll probably have a few more episodes before that, but I'm going to go to Ohio.

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Oh, yes.

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I'm going to go see Trish.

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I remember.

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I'm so excited.

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It's excited.

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So speaking of friends, we got two new patreons in between the last episode and this one.

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Thanks, friends.

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Yeah.

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Stye, Mizzle.

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Stye, Mizzle.

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Got him.

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Got him.

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We finally got him.

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We got him.

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And we also got Stephanie.

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Stephanie is one of my old classmates and a good friend of mine.

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And she said that she got one of her best friends hooked as well.

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So thank you for listening.

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I'm really excited to have you.

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It's been kind of interesting because I feel like I run into people where I'm like,

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oh, it's like conversation just happens.

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Yeah.

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Conversation flows.

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And then I'm like, oh, me and my sister.

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Yeah, we have a podcast.

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And the person that I'm talking to is like, yeah, I already listened to you.

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And I'm like, you do?

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We're famous.

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Oh my gosh.

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I was like, oh, I love that.

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That is funny.

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I actually, it's funny side note completely.

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But I just recently got a new car.

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I don't know if I've said this on the podcast, but my car got hit back in September of 2021.

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And it got totaled.

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Thanks, Linda.

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Thanks, Linda.

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And anyways, long story short, I was looking for a new car a couple of weeks ago.

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And I started to use, I'm not going to name the car service,

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but a car service that didn't end up working out.

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We ended up buying from them, but I talked to multiple representatives

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for the car service in the process.

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And I actually got like three of them to listen to.

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So if you're listening, hello, I didn't end up buying a car for you.

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I'm sorry.

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But it's fine.

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We're still friends.

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But yeah.

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Exciting.

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Exciting.

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So what's the time about?

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Anything else?

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I think that's, I mean, our lives are.

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Some like alcoholics.

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There's an empty like case of wine bottles here that I was supposed to cut into glasses.

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For Richard.

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They have the rose bottoms.

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The rose.

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Anyways.

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So I think that's all the updates about any true crime updates or anything that you can think of.

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I don't think so.

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Is there a lot going on with the true crime world?

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There's, I mean, well, there's a lot going on internationally with Ukraine and all that,

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which is kind of what my case has to do with.

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And I, I think I've said this on the podcast before.

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And if I haven't, I definitely say this to Ken almost every time.

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But I feel like every case I do has some type of a recent update.

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And so when I started researching this case, it dealt with a Ukrainian citizen and that I felt

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like that was really like, what's, oh no, I like cursed the world by researching this guy.

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Well, next time you do your research, just do like sunshine and rainbows and then everything will

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go back to me.

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I'll tell you what we took off.

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Research being a millionaire.

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Yeah.

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Honestly.

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And then two podcasts host became millionaires.

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That's the end of the story.

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So we're going to kick it off.

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All right.

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We're going to talk about Andre Tick.

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Oh, it's already happening.

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Oh my gosh.

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There's a lot of Ukrainian and Russian names.

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So it's going to be, it's going to be a little difficult, but bear with me.

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I will say now I feel like we've definitely gotten to know the listeners a little bit and

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they've gotten to know us.

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And so I'm going to do like minimal editing now, unless it's something really bad or if we're

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trying to like repeat ourselves.

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Fair.

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But I think that they'll bear with us enough to kind of deal with us, you know, maybe not being

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perfect all the time.

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We don't have to be perfect.

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No one's perfect.

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So today we're going to talk about Andre Ticketillo and he was born October 16th, 1936

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in a small village of Yabloshne.

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Oh, that was a good pronunciation.

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Thanks.

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I try.

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I tried it out.

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So you're a real Ukrainian.

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So we're Russian.

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So this is part of the USSR or what is now Ukraine.

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So during this time under the regime of the Soviets in the control of Joseph Stalin,

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there was actually a country-wide forced famine called the Holodomor.

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And so this is like kind of just a little bit of the background of like what he was

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experiencing when he was a kid, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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So it was basically a mass genocide of local farmers because Stalin had basically said

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that you couldn't purchase any like produce or anything from non-government sanctioned places.

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So local farmers and stuff like that basically they were starved because they couldn't provide

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for themselves, they couldn't buy anything.

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That like really hurts my heart.

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It's really sad.

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So Stalin was basically terrified that Ukraine basically becoming a part of the USSR that they

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would rebel about, well, I know, right?

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How crazy to think of it now.

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But this has happened before to the Ukrainian people, which is really sad.

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So basically to destroy any hope of that and knowing that they were a really powerful country

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due to their agricultural strengths, he basically sought to ruin the country by only allowing

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produce to be purchased through government sanctioned suppliers, like I said.

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But unfortunately this caused the death of somewhere between, somewhere between 3.5 million

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and 7 million local farmers and villagers.

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Holy shit.

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Somewhere in between because they don't know the actual number.

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Yeah, because they no one cared to document that.

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No, of course not.

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So of course, yeah.

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Oh, that is so awful.

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They were actually that this whole thing was actually attempted to be hidden from the world,

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which is this is the very first time I had ever heard of it.

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I have not heard about that either.

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So it actually wouldn't be coined as a genocide until 1953.

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So like 20 years later.

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Sorry, you just didn't want to say that.

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I just said it.

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It's okay.

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So basically this is what Andrei, Andrei, I'm going to say Andrei, was exposed to at a really young age.

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And actually his his mother would even tell him really horrible gruesome stories about cannibals

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that lived in the area because people were like according to him when his mother said is that

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people were being forced to eat each other because they were starving.

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So do you think it was that like true or do you think that his mom was like being a dick or like

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does she really believe that?

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That's my question.

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So I will tell you that she would tell him a story of a supposed older brother that he had

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that before he was born.

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Oh no.

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And that neighbors had attacked him, killed him and eaten him.

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I should have started.

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So is that true?

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There's actually never been any documentation that he had an older brother.

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Okay, that makes me feel better.

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So horrible story to tell your child though.

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Yeah, what the fuck is that about?

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So yeah, it was never actually confirmed that Andre even had a brother.

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I'm going to go ahead and talk about this a little bit.

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This whole story is pretty gruesome.

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I'm just going to throw it out there for any of the listeners that are sensitive to

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any sort of topic when it comes to assaults or graphic details pertaining to murder.

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And we are also going to be talking about young people as well.

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So I just want everybody to know that I might not always say content warning because it's

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going to be a lot of content warnings.

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So this is just an overall episode of content warnings.

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So Andre was actually born with a condition called hydrosophilus.

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It's also known as wet brain or water on the brain.

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And through treatment, it can be simple to get rid of.

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It's basically excess spinal fluid that is built up in the brain.

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It almost sounds like fetal alcohol syndrome or a baby is born addicted or something.

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But it's just OK to stop fluid.

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So it's not alcohol caused.

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Extra spinal fluid or that has built up in the brain that doesn't drain properly.

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But it basically what it does is it pickles your brain.

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Yeah, because it's just oversaturated.

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And so treatment for this nowadays is really, really simple.

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And I love that we always say this.

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Like this isn't the 1930s, but this is the 1930s.

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So it is a very simple procedure.

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And especially they didn't have access to health care, things like that.

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They were really poor.

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And they wouldn't really grow area.

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Yeah, if they couldn't even sell their freaking produce,

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then what makes you think that they can get health care?

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Actually, yeah.

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Each one of their, I mean, they lived in a one bedroom hut, first of all, like a one room hut.

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And the only thing that the Russian military or the government would allow them to have would be like

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what would be the equivalent of a very, very small like apartment backyard.

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You were able to use that for your farmland to produce for your family.

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But that was it.

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And that's not very feasible when potatoes take like four years to fucking grow.

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Not really.

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But a long time, you know, like you can grow one thing at a time

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or you can grow like one of each thing at a time.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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So the family, you know, well, he was really malnourished as well.

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So basically like nowadays what they would do is they would put like,

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they put like a shunt in the back of your head to help drain the fluid into your spine.

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And then it blocks it from refilling.

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Right, exactly.

266
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So it just, it helps get rid of all of that, right?

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WebBrain presents itself in infants as like an enlarged head.

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And in adults and older children, they may experience headache,

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impaired vision, cognitive difficulties, loss of coordination, and unfortunately incontinence.

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Oh.

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So Andre began suffering these effects during childhood because it was never treated.

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Yeah.

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And since the family shared a one room hut, he usually slept on his parents' bed.

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Okay.

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But because he suffered from incontinence, he would often wet the bed.

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Okay.

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He was usually beat when this would happen by his mother.

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Yeah, because that's his fault.

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Yeah.

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For sure.

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They, I don't know.

282
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I guess they, I don't know, like he was acting out or something.

283
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I don't like this mom.

284
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Yeah, already.

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So his father would eventually go off and fight in the Second World War, and he unfortunately

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had to leave the family in their one room hut and their barren farmland.

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It almost reminds me of like the missions, like when we went and like we were kids and we went

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to visit like the Alamo and the missions and stuff, and they had those little rooms that were made

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of clay and stuff.

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Yeah.

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And you got to kind of see that's kind of, I'm picturing with that one room,

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little area that you're talking about, you know?

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One room, real small, like, of course,

294
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probably had a little bit of like a-

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No comfortability at all.

296
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Probably had one little tiny stove or something.

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Yeah.

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Not even like a freaking one of the stand-up ones.

299
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Yeah.

300
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Yeah.

301
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What do they call this?

302
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Like a furnace.

303
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Oh, I thought it was like a, hold on.

304
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You see the shimenea.

305
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Shimenea is not thinking.

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I'm thinking of a shimenea.

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So once wounded in combat, his father actually surrendered to a Russian holding camp,

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and during his time in the Russian holding camp, he would observe like these horrible

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tortures and senseless killings, nopsies, all that stuff.

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On today's father was actually forced to be denounced publicly once he returned home to

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the village as a traitor because he was wounded and he didn't like sacrifice his life.

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Oh my god.

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Okay, complete side note.

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This reminds me, I was watching Belowdeck sailing,

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yeah, this isn't going to give anything away because I know it's just airing.

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If you're watching it, don't freak out, I'm not going to spoil anything.

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But their chef this season was, he grew up in Venezuela and he was saying that he had

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lived there for like 20 years and he hasn't been there in 20 years because he used to cook for

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the president of Venezuela and when you work for him and you leave, you either get the hell out

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of there or they kill you if you decide to quit.

321
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And he literally was like crying.

322
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He was like, I have not seen my family.

323
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But now he's not on a national television show?

324
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And he's saying that.

325
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I know I'm not a little concerned for him, which is why I don't feel bad saying it here because

326
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yeah, but he was like seriously, he's like, I haven't seen my family in 20 years.

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I can go anywhere in the world except for Venezuela because if I go back, they will kill me.

328
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And he was talking to one of the guys that works with him and he was saying like,

329
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yeah, some people didn't make it out and the other guy was like, what do you mean?

330
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Like they stayed in Venezuela.

331
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He's like, no, they got murdered.

332
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Like they killed them.

333
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Like if you don't, that's just because you see too much.

334
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You know too much.

335
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You could hear too much.

336
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Oh yeah.

337
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Yeah, so like one, sorry, that just made me think of that because it's like,

338
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he's now he's publicly viewed as a bad person technically.

339
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I mean kind of, you know, if you think about a traitor, like,

340
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yeah, he probably has a target on his back.

341
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I mean, he definitely does after that.

342
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It's yeah, exactly.

343
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So yeah, like I said, when Andre's father came back, he was definitely labeled as a traitor.

344
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So Andre's father would also return and find his wife pregnant.

345
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How long was he gone for?

346
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Oh, I want to say like a few years.

347
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Oh, maybe like maybe a year or so.

348
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So a weird like medical mystery.

349
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She was just pregnant.

350
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She's the Virgin Mary.

351
00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,480
Yeah, didn't you know this was the story of Jesus?

352
00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,680
No, I'm saying like it was definitely him before he left and like three years,

353
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she's still pregnant and then no, what happened?

354
00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:28,880
No, the bitch cheated.

355
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So both of these things is why Andre would be tormented in class.

356
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He was constantly bullied at school and would be called a traitor's son and a whore's son.

357
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She definitely was the latter, but still like someone she was with someone else.

358
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It was unclear.

359
00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,600
No, that just really pisses me off that like he's getting bullied for that.

360
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That was none of his decision.

361
00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:51,600
Right.

362
00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,440
Like teacher fucking kids better.

363
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He was also often wearing handmade clothing and looked very pale and weak because he was so malnourished.

364
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He was super short for his age because of the lack of nutrition.

365
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So he was just a little kid, like a baby.

366
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I'm assuming he later grows up to be the killer, but at the same time I feel bad for the kid.

367
00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:10,800
Yeah, you gotta feel bad for the kid.

368
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Not for the killer.

369
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So that is in a nutshell, I think.

370
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In a nutshell, all of the things that Andre experienced when he was little.

371
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So with the famine and just the overall nastiness of the conditions he was living in and his

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father leaving and his mom either having an extramarital affair or there were rumors that

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maybe she was raped by an Nazi soldier.

374
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And that that might have been because the Germans were infiltrating everything.

375
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Well, I called her a bitch.

376
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And now I feel bad.

377
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Well, I mean, we don't know.

378
00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:48,720
Okay.

379
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You know, we really don't.

380
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Andre had never had never talked about experiencing or remembering anything about

381
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German men being in the home.

382
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So and this this all happened after the fact that his mom was telling him the story about his

383
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yes, brother.

384
00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,760
This is a story that he that he was used to hearing growing up.

385
00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:08,240
Okay.

386
00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,320
So at this point, this is this is all throughout his elementary school experience and pretty much

387
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his middle school experience or what our equivalency of that would

388
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be just during those ages.

389
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So Andre's father would come home and, you know, of course, the fact that he was labeled as a

390
00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,320
traitor, he would come home, he would drink things like that.

391
00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:35,040
From for what I can what I found out, I don't know what he did after he returned home from

392
00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,080
serving in the military.

393
00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:42,800
But he would most often tell Andre all of these really horrible stories about the things that

394
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he witnessed in war.

395
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I mean, like I can't even imagine I can like like sometimes when I'm watching like more

396
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movies like Saving Private Ryan, like I almost couldn't finish it.

397
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Like it was real.

398
00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:52,880
It's hard to watch.

399
00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,760
Imagine being there and that's not even like real.

400
00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,400
I mean, it's realistic, but it's definitely not as realistic.

401
00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,760
I can imagine as it is, you know, actual war.

402
00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,920
So he was explaining all these things and to Andre when he was growing up.

403
00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,560
But according to his younger sister, her name is Tatiana,

404
00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,560
that their father was actually a very kind and forgiving man.

405
00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,240
It was their mother who berated them and abused them when they were kids.

406
00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,400
So in addition to this, Andre actually suffered from a visual disorder, which made it difficult for

407
00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,640
him to read great distances in school.

408
00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,480
So it was really hard for him to read a chalkboard.

409
00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:27,920
So he also kind of got berated for that.

410
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Like what are you, you know, stupid or whatever.

411
00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,600
But when he would return home, he would read as often as he could because he could finally get

412
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a book in front of this face.

413
00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:42,160
So of course, much like other cases we've seen, you know, where people feel shunned out of their

414
00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,320
social situations that they throw themselves into academics or books.

415
00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,280
So that's what he did.

416
00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:53,920
He would read magazines and books, specifically communist books and magazines.

417
00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,000
He really identified with the Communist Party and identified as such.

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All throughout his younger years.

419
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So he would eventually graduate with excellence in his school.

420
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And he was actually the only child in his village's immediate vicinity to actually complete all

421
00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:13,120
years of schooling before college.

422
00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:14,000
Oh, what are you, stupid?

423
00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:16,960
What are you, stupid?

424
00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,680
What are you, stupid or something?

425
00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,920
But seriously, you're like the kids and what are you stupid?

426
00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,120
No, actually, you are cute.

427
00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:23,920
You are because I'm just crazy.

428
00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,720
And I do feel like maybe that was part of the motivation was like, no, I'm going to show you.

429
00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,240
Like you're the dummies.

430
00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:30,800
Hell yeah.

431
00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,720
You're the ones that are starting little baby farms when you're 12 years old, not me, you know.

432
00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:35,760
Go kid, Andre.

433
00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:41,040
So there is something about Andre, though.

434
00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:41,840
Oh, Andre.

435
00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,280
I said Andres, my bad.

436
00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,040
Or Andre, Andre, Andre, yeah.

437
00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:45,840
I said it with an S.

438
00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:46,880
Andre, that's okay.

439
00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:47,600
S is insane.

440
00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,960
I'm on the phone a lot now lately and so I used to say like, yeah, S is insane because

441
00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,200
you can't hear over the phone if you're saying S or F.

442
00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,640
But I guess you can on the podcast.

443
00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:56,960
Good.

444
00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,680
So there is something about Andre.

445
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Throughout his experiences finding interest in the other sex,

446
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he was actually never able to get an erection.

447
00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,200
So this is due to his birth condition.

448
00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:09,920
Oh.

449
00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:15,200
It, yeah, it causes incontinence and honestly just trouble with sexual organs in general.

450
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:15,600
Okay.

451
00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:22,400
So of course, as he grew older and he did find attraction to women, females, young girls,

452
00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:28,960
that he again was unable to have an erection or yeah,

453
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:31,760
content warning.

454
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:38,480
He does recollect however, on one occasion when he was a teen, he was play wrestling with his

455
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younger sister's friend.

456
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,280
His excitement grew when he pinned the young girl down and he would actually end up ejaculating

457
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:45,920
in his pants.

458
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:47,120
What?

459
00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:49,520
Completely without an erection.

460
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:50,800
What?

461
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:51,280
Yeah.

462
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:52,000
You can do that?

463
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:53,360
Like, I guess.

464
00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:54,160
We're both female.

465
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:54,960
Like, yes.

466
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:55,600
You can do that?

467
00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:02,560
So this was his first exposure to connecting sexuality and violence.

468
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:02,720
Yeah.

469
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,520
Because it was when he, when she was struggling when he pinned her down.

470
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,120
And it was play wrestling but he enjoyed it, you know?

471
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:17,040
So I think, I think I want to say, I want to say she was like 12, he was like 17.

472
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:18,160
Yeah.

473
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:19,040
Okay.

474
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,120
Well, that's like creepy.

475
00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:27,040
But also like that in itself, like getting pleasure out of a violent act as long as it's

476
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,160
not actually hurting the person and the person's consensual and it's something like

477
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:30,800
along those lines.

478
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:31,120
Sure.

479
00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:31,280
Yeah.

480
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:31,600
Whatever.

481
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:32,480
You mean like BDSM?

482
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:32,640
BDSM.

483
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:33,520
Yeah, BDSM.

484
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:33,680
Yeah.

485
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,440
But when it comes to the point where the other person is not down and they

486
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:43,440
are actually being physically injured, like, what's it called, like permanently injured

487
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:44,080
or whatever it is.

488
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:44,240
Yeah.

489
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,440
And that's obviously it.

490
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:50,320
So Andre continued his schooling and although he was a super bright individual with vast

491
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:55,120
knowledge from all of his book reading, he actually failed his interim exams and was unable

492
00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:56,960
to attend the college that he wanted to go to.

493
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:57,520
Okay.

494
00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,280
Which was a local college.

495
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,760
He was absolutely convinced that the reason that he did not make it into that college

496
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,680
was because of his father's reputation.

497
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,720
I mean, it's not far-fetched to think that.

498
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,840
I mean, in my head, I'm thinking, I don't think these people really give a shit about

499
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,680
who your dad is, but he was convinced that like, you know what I mean?

500
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,040
Well, yeah, well, maybe something happened like during maybe the interview or something

501
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,640
and they brought it up or they mentioned that your dad, whatever.

502
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:25,840
Oh, your dad was in the military?

503
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:26,160
Yeah, yeah.

504
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,440
Yeah, that makes sense.

505
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,440
So again, he thought that people in general just didn't want to see him succeed at this

506
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:31,680
point.

507
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:36,480
So he actually moved to, he wanted to move out of the village because he was like, no,

508
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,080
like, I'm never going to make any money here.

509
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,240
I'm never going to work here because people just assume that I'm a traitor son or I'm

510
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:42,880
a whore son.

511
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:48,080
So he actually moved to Kyrstrasia and he actually pursued a job as a laborer.

512
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:49,520
He did enjoy it.

513
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,840
He did it for about three months and then decided to enroll in a communications technician

514
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:54,400
course.

515
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,960
So there he met a woman of which he dated seriously.

516
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,200
The couple attempted to engage insects on three different occasions throughout the

517
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,200
course of their 18 month relationship.

518
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,760
He was unable to perform every time and the relationship and eventually they broke

519
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:10,080
up.

520
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:15,280
It kind of reminds me, I think it was Richard Chase that he also had that issue with, it's

521
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,960
not in continents, but what's the other?

522
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:17,520
Impotence.

523
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,560
Impotence, yes.

524
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:23,760
Like he had that issue as well and unfortunately it kind of made his relationships

525
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:24,560
dwindle as well.

526
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,880
I mean, I think it's a good thing that he's not just a person, he's a person who's

527
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:29,440
a person.

528
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,120
That's a, I think it's, I personally think a sexual life is a big part of a relationship.

529
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:33,760
Yeah, I agree.

530
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:34,640
I agree.

531
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,800
So after his vocational training, Andrei would then be drafted into the Soviet Army

532
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:43,200
in 1957 and this is where he stayed until 1960.

533
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:48,720
Okay, so that's bizarre to me though because at this point, as far as I'm concerned, Russia

534
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,520
and the Ukraine are one unit and they're fighting against the Nazis together.

535
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:53,680
Yeah.

536
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:59,360
So technically he's joined the same unit, not unit army, but military as his dad was

537
00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:01,120
and his dad's now considered a traitor.

538
00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:03,760
So you'd think that there would be a conflict of interest.

539
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:04,480
I get what you're saying.

540
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,360
However, it is World War II, so maybe they're like, fuck it, let's just take everyone we

541
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:07,760
can get.

542
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,080
Yeah, I think that's more of what it is and not only that, but he did move away from that

543
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:12,640
village.

544
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,360
Maybe, I mean, he could have lied and said, I don't even know who my dad is.

545
00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:15,760
That's very true.

546
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:16,800
You know, so.

547
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,160
It is the 1930s.

548
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:18,400
I don't.

549
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,280
Because I went and had paperwork.

550
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,840
It's not the 1950s.

551
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,280
They didn't have paper back then.

552
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,880
So just.

553
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,280
So on today, actually excelled in his duties and joined the Communist Party officially

554
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,800
that same year in 1960.

555
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:36,800
So he was really excited about that because he had been growing up reading communist propaganda

556
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,320
stuff like his whole life.

557
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,000
That's what he kind of threw himself into.

558
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:46,560
So after he served in the military, he actually returned home to his native village and he

559
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:47,840
actually met a divorcee.

560
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,000
So a divorcee.

561
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:56,000
So they seem to get along pretty well, but after a few months, the woman actually began

562
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:04,560
asking some of her friends for sexual advice because of Andrei's conditions and how they

563
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,120
were experiencing intimacy issues.

564
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:11,840
So through this, actually many of the people in his peer group realized that he was impotent

565
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,080
and the relationship ended after just three months.

566
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,360
Oh, that sucks.

567
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:18,960
And he was incredibly embarrassed by it as one would.

568
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:19,920
Right?

569
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,400
On today's set about this time, quote, girls were going behind my back whispering that I

570
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,200
was impotent.

571
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,480
I was so ashamed.

572
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,240
I tried to hang myself.

573
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,440
My mother and some young neighbors came and pulled me out of the noose.

574
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,480
I thought no one would want such a shamed man.

575
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,920
So I had to run away from there.

576
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,320
I ran away from my homeland and quote.

577
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,920
Oh my gosh, that breaks my heart.

578
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:40,560
So sad.

579
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:46,960
So again, there's like a few, a lot of embarrassments when it comes to what he was raised in, how

580
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,120
he was brought up and who he is as a person.

581
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:50,240
You just can't catch a break, man.

582
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,280
He's just like tons of self loathing.

583
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,200
Like none of this is his fault either.

584
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,200
It's not like he asked or caused any of this.

585
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,160
That's for causing.

586
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,120
That's really sad.

587
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:04,560
So Andrei actually moved back to Russia in a town called Rostov-on-Don.

588
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,640
I don't know how to, that's my best.

589
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:07,440
That's fine.

590
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,000
He tried.

591
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:08,400
A plus.

592
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:12,880
He would actually work as a communications engineer and eventually found a small apartment

593
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,440
in Soviet Russia in 1961.

594
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,640
So this is about a year later after he left the military.

595
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:25,360
So soon after he moved, actually his sister, she had finished school locally at the village

596
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:27,120
and then she actually moved in with Andrei.

597
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:32,480
And she said that the times that she actually lived with her brother, she never found him

598
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,600
anything other than normal.

599
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,760
She always thought he was a really normal dude, other than the fact that he was absolutely

600
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,920
terribly shy when it came to being around women.

601
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,360
So Tatiana actually would marry a local man within six months of her living in the city

602
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:46,400
with Andrei.

603
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:46,880
Wow.

604
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:47,920
Yeah, six months.

605
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,880
That's like you move there and they just like found love.

606
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,440
Yeah, and he's like, wow, like fuck me, right?

607
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:53,680
Yeah.

608
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,080
So Tatiana was actually more determined than ever to find her brother a maid at this point.

609
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,680
So she would eventually introduce Andrei to a friend of hers named Fiodosia.

610
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:04,000
Okay.

611
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,720
Probably Fiodosia.

612
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:07,840
I think you nailed it.

613
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:08,400
Fiodosia?

614
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:09,760
Fiodosia?

615
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,960
Just, I like that because it rhymes, but I think it's Fiodosia.

616
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,880
But she went by Fenya, okay?

617
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:15,920
So we're going to call her Fenya.

618
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,320
Okay, this is not anything that's correct.

619
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,280
Other than the F.

620
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:19,600
Yeah.

621
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,320
And maybe the E.

622
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,400
Might as well go by Frank.

623
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:22,960
Yeah.

624
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,040
All right, so him and Frank started dating.

625
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:33,120
So yeah, she went by Fenya and in 1963, so this is like two years after he moved to the

626
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:37,280
city and Tatiana moved in with him and then she got married within six months.

627
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,600
Tatiana actually moved in with her husband's family, so he was living by himself.

628
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,080
Is this after, sorry, is he still in the army at this point?

629
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,280
No, he's already left.

630
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:47,680
Yeah.

631
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:55,680
So he was doing like a communication, vocational, something like labor stuff in between this time.

632
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:56,240
No, it's okay.

633
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:04,320
So yeah, so in 1963, so this is two years after they moved to the city and within two weeks of

634
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,000
meeting, the couple married. What Fenya and Andrei?

635
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,040
Within two weeks of meeting?

636
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:09,600
Of meeting.

637
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,280
I'm sorry, this sounds really bad.

638
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,160
I don't really want to ask this, but like, do they have sex during the two weeks?

639
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:14,400
Like does she know?

640
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,200
I don't know.

641
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,080
Does she know?

642
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,600
So I don't know.

643
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,840
So maybe not.

644
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,560
He's not a sexual person, so I wouldn't think so.

645
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,720
So although Andrei found Fenya attractive, he does claim that the whole situation felt so

646
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,200
arranged that there was a little love between the two of them.

647
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,440
Okay.

648
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:33,920
Yeah.

649
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:40,800
But I mean, I recently saw a show where there was like kind of an arranged marriage situation,

650
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,320
or it was similar to one, and the two people actually really loved each other because they

651
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,960
got to grow to know each other and grow to love each other.

652
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,800
And it was kind of sweet.

653
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,840
So the couple of course had trouble intimately, right?

654
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:54,960
You don't say.

655
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,960
However, the couple wanted children.

656
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,280
Okay. I mean, yeah, understandable.

657
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:00,320
A couple, they want kids.

658
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:00,960
They want kids.

659
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:08,800
So Fenya was actually very understanding of Andrei's situation, and ultimately they conceived by

660
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,880
at-home insemination.

661
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,800
So he choked her until he jizzed without erection.

662
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,680
He did not choke her.

663
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,360
He was never violent towards Fenya.

664
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,200
But that's the only way that he's ever ejaculated in his past.

665
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,840
He might have been behind closed doors, I don't know.

666
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:35,120
But either way, he basically blasted into his hand and then, yeah, at-home insemination.

667
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:36,480
That was the nice way of saying that.

668
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,480
I was thinking like turkey baster, but okay.

669
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,040
Well, yeah, I mean, I don't even know if they have a turkey baster.

670
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,480
I mean, it is by the 1930s.

671
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,280
I mean, if you think that's not the 1930s anymore, it's the 1960s.

672
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,080
Do they have turkeys?

673
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,480
Do they have turkeys in the 1960s?

674
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,800
Were turkeys even a thing?

675
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,160
Were turkeys even a thing?

676
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,600
Did people eat turkey in the 1960s?

677
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,720
I want to make it clear.

678
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,200
I'm totally joking. I know the turkeys have been around since America has been around.

679
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,600
So either way, the couple would go on to have two children.

680
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,720
And in 1965, the couple welcomed their daughter, Ludmilla.

681
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:13,840
And in 1969, four years later, they had a son, Yuri, and he was born in 1969.

682
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:15,840
I said that already.

683
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,480
Yeah.

684
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,600
So Andrei would actually enroll in Rostov University in 1964.

685
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,040
So this was a year before Ludmilla was born.

686
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:25,540
Okay.

687
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:33,600
And in 1970, so this was a year after Yuri was born, 1970, he would graduate with a literary

688
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:34,800
and philosophy degree.

689
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,600
Oh, wow.

690
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,560
So Andrei...

691
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:37,520
Where's the poop?

692
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:38,480
Where's the poop, right?

693
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,600
Where's the poop, Andrei?

694
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,160
I don't know.

695
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:40,880
We're going to have to see.

696
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,400
So he works for...

697
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,080
As bad as it is to start killing till he's in his 60s.

698
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,000
It's an old man.

699
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:52,480
He worked for a short time before starting a teaching job in Russian language and literature.

700
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,440
So although Andrei was a smart man, he seemed incapable of controlling a classroom environment.

701
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,120
He was often talked negatively about by his peers and mocked by both teachers and students

702
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,280
for his mild-mannered approach to teaching.

703
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:06,560
Wow.

704
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:07,200
Yeah.

705
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,960
God forbid someone's fucking nice.

706
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,480
He was super lax on the discipline.

707
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,520
And so, which again, you know, again, you're thinking where's the poop, right?

708
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,520
You're thinking he's like the best teacher.

709
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,160
We've only had one instance where he wrestled that girl to the ground and that's pretty much it.

710
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:22,480
Yeah.

711
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,560
Otherwise, he's tried to live a very normal life.

712
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:25,200
Considering.

713
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:25,840
I mean, shit.

714
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,000
So of course, with everything that's going on, you know, we're talking about,

715
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,080
here's the buildup, right?

716
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,920
So his rage actually starts just to boil inside of him at this point.

717
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:38,960
Yeah, I will be fucking pissed too.

718
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,320
I'm like, dude, I'm trying to do you a favor and make school like fun and you're gonna be a dick about it.

719
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,520
He's just not catching a break.

720
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,960
So in May of 1973, Andrei would commit his first assault.

721
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:49,200
Okay.

722
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,640
While swimming with students, he grabbed a hold of a girl.

723
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,120
So swimming like this was basically where he was teaching was like a boarding school.

724
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:57,600
Okay.

725
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,920
So there's gyms and I was like, why was he swimming with students?

726
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,680
And tennis courts and all different like this is where the kids live.

727
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:11,600
So while he was swimming with some students, he did grab a hold of a girl and attempted to grope her.

728
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,800
So while she was struggling to get away, he ejaculated.

729
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,000
How does one ejaculate?

730
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,000
How does one ejaculate that quickly?

731
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,040
I don't know.

732
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,040
Oh, he's like, oh, he's tired.

733
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,000
Ah, shit.

734
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,640
Second.

735
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:26,640
Jesus.

736
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,760
So this was reported to the school.

737
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,280
However, nothing was done about it.

738
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,320
Say what?

739
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:33,920
It gets worse.

740
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:41,440
A few months after this incident, Andrei had actually locked a young girl in his classroom under the guise of disciplining her.

741
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,520
He sexually assaulted the girl and then beat her.

742
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,680
Nothing was done about the situation either.

743
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:48,240
They knew?

744
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:49,840
Yeah.

745
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,960
Teachers even noticed that sometimes Andrei would touch himself around the students in the schoolyard.

746
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,680
And everyone was like, that's cool.

747
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:58,400
Nothing was done.

748
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:04,080
In fact, one of Andrei's duties was to ensure that students, mainly the females,

749
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,080
who were boarded at the school actually made it to their dormitories at night.

750
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,960
They let someone that has a record of assaulting young women.

751
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,320
Does he have a record though?

752
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,560
Well, it's not documented, but people obviously know about it.

753
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,600
This was absolutely including the girls' dormitories in which he was allowed to go in and out of at night.

754
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:27,120
Why?

755
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,240
So they're like, they're literally isn't documentation of how many other victims he might have had.

756
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:32,960
Yeah.

757
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,280
Yeah.

758
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,840
Okay, this, no, that someone fucked up right there.

759
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,040
Because what?

760
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,080
It's gross.

761
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,680
So eventually he was pulled aside and was told he would have to resign or be fired.

762
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,440
Okay, instead of just like, buy, get out of here, you're terminated and you need to go to jail?

763
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,080
Yeah, no.

764
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,880
Of course he decided to resign.

765
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,760
However, he would get another job teaching by January of 1974.

766
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,720
Because no one's fucking saying like Black Mark on your record, this guy's a child assailant,

767
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,920
like a sexual assailant.

768
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:02,240
Yeah.

769
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,000
Oh my god, that's so cool.

770
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,800
He worked at his new location for the next four years until staff cutbacks occurred,

771
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:09,760
leaving him jobless.

772
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,920
Who knows how many people he assaulted during those four years?

773
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,920
During those four years.

774
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,320
And he got like let off on a technicality.

775
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,520
He got, yeah, he was let go because there were, there were staff cutbacks.

776
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,880
It was around this time that André had actually purchased a derelict home that his wife did not

777
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,800
know about near where he worked.

778
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,400
This same year, André would commit his first known murder.

779
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:34,400
Yeah.

780
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,600
So this is eight years into teaching.

781
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,800
Who knows how many people he's assaulted because clearly no one gives a fuck.

782
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:41,120
Yeah.

783
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,960
He's doing this and people are like letting it slide.

784
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,960
And then he gets not terminated, not arrested, laid off because of budget cuts.

785
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:49,200
Yeah.

786
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:50,160
Wow.

787
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:51,360
Wow.

788
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:57,680
Yelena Zakhetnova, who went by Lana, was nine years old and she lived in the same district

789
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,600
in which André had been working as a teacher.

790
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:00,320
Okay.

791
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:06,480
On December 22nd, just right before Christmas, Lana was walking from a friend's house that night.

792
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,320
She was actually really excited for Christmas and the girls, her and her friend,

793
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,960
every year, they would, it's really adorable.

794
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,080
So I had to leave this in there.

795
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,600
They would write wishes on pieces of paper.

796
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,960
They would burn them and then they would take the ashes and sprinkle them in either champagne

797
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,760
or vodka and they would drink them and they were their wishes for the next year.

798
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,760
It was like their New Year's thing.

799
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,640
Isn't that sweet?

800
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,880
That's really adorable, but who the fuck is drinking vodka at nine years old?

801
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,240
I, a Russian girl.

802
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:36,880
She was.

803
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,240
A Russian girl.

804
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:39,120
That's so fitting.

805
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:39,440
Yeah.

806
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,640
Honestly.

807
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,600
And she loved it and they would, they would always toast to the New Year and they called it magic.

808
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:46,560
It was their magic.

809
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,360
We used to do that.

810
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,080
Isn't that cute?

811
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:48,880
That's really cute.

812
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:49,040
I like that.

813
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,800
So after drinking the mixture with her friends, Lana said that she better had home.

814
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,080
It was dark at this time and she needed to use the restroom.

815
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:02,000
So walking in a hurried manner, a man steps out onto the sidewalk behind her.

816
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,360
Okay.

817
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:09,360
And starts kind of calling at her saying, Hey, hey, like I have gum, I have candy.

818
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,520
Oh, cliche.

819
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,400
And she turned around and said, no, thank you, mister.

820
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,360
I need to head home.

821
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,560
I need to use the restroom.

822
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,840
He then offered for her to use the restroom at his house so that she wasn't uncomfortable

823
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:22,800
all the way going home.

824
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,840
Tell me she said no.

825
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,840
She hesitated at first, but then she decided to follow him inside.

826
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:35,360
Oh my gosh. Once inside, Ondre banged her head against the wall, knocking her unconscious.

827
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,240
He tried to sexually assault her, but was unable to maintain an erection.

828
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:41,920
Oh, go figure.

829
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,960
This enraged him so much that he began to stab her.

830
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:50,400
He stabbed her three times or so, and then he actually ejaculated at the site of her blood.

831
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,840
She began to wake up in an attempt to speak, and then he then strangled her to death.

832
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:56,880
Oh my gosh.

833
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,080
Ondre took her body to a nearby river and dumped her there in the water.

834
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,920
She wasn't found for two days, and her backpack was found on the bank.

835
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:10,000
While canvassing the neighborhood, neighbors were quick to tell about the almost haunted

836
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,360
looking house on the block.

837
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,840
They knew that a man lived there and that there were people going in and out all of the time.

838
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,040
There were mostly sex workers or drug addicts going in and out of the house.

839
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,600
They were lured by a man who lived there that promised drugs, money, or food.

840
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,920
Investigators saw blood in the snow leading up to the dilapidated house.

841
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,040
Ondre was taken into custody to be interviewed.

842
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,680
Although many neighbors had claimed that they saw Ondre and the girl together for a brief

843
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:43,280
moment that night, Fenya would actually come to her husband's defense and say that he was home all night.

844
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,320
Why?

845
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,760
Why did they do that?

846
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:46,560
No.

847
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:53,360
It was revealed much, much later in the story that Fenya was actually at work.

848
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,760
She had no idea where Ondre was at the time.

849
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:56,720
So she wasn't even home?

850
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:57,600
She wasn't even home.

851
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,000
Maybe that makes it better though, because maybe she's like, well I wasn't home.

852
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,800
Maybe he was home because I don't know because I wasn't there.

853
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:05,440
Exactly.

854
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,760
Okay, I kind of understand that.

855
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,320
It's not like she was home and he was not there, and then she was like, oh yeah, he was there all night.

856
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,680
I mean, to be fair, they've been married for like 10 years and they have two children together.

857
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:16,640
Two children together.

858
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,080
The first thing that you don't think is like, or that it's not the first thing you think that

859
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,000
like, oh he's doing something wrong or illegal.

860
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,600
So police actually accepted that Ondre must not be the perpetrator because he had an alibi.

861
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,480
I mean, he kind of seems like-

862
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,160
Even though there was blood outside the house.

863
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,120
He's getting away with it a lot.

864
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:38,000
And at this point, they can only tell that blood, there's not, there's no like DNA process at this point.

865
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:38,320
Yeah.

866
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,920
They can only tell what type it is.

867
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,520
They can collect it, but they can't test it.

868
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:42,000
Exactly.

869
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:48,480
They can say that, oh maybe this is Lana's blood type, but it's not necessarily Lana's blood.

870
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:48,960
Yeah.

871
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:49,360
So.

872
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,040
And to be fair, blood types are very common, you know, most of them are.

873
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,960
So a few doors down from Ondre's shanty lived a man named Alexander-

874
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:00,400
Grandbel.

875
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,080
Alexander Kravchenko and his wife.

876
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,440
Alexander had been convicted previously of rape and murder.

877
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,080
So the police were interested in speaking with him about Lana.

878
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,840
The one time he doesn't do something, they want to talk to him.

879
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,440
Poor guy.

880
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,120
Um, I mean still fuck that guy.

881
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:28,880
So when in the house talking to Alexander and his wife, police noticed that there appeared to be blood on Alexander's wife's clothing.

882
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:35,600
Alexander's alibi for the time of the murder is that he was with his wife and their mutual friend at home having dinner.

883
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,960
Police now believing that they had the man that they were looking for

884
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:45,280
threatened Alex, his wife and the friend with charges if Alex did not confess to the murder.

885
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,040
Okay, so they're just gonna believe that homeboy is like at home with his wife,

886
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,000
but they're not gonna believe that this guy is at home having dinner with two other people.

887
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,040
Two other people.

888
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,640
They thought that they threatened Alex with the murder.

889
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,000
They threatened his wife with like accessory.

890
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,440
Accessory and then the friend with perjury.

891
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,160
It almost seems to me like

892
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:12,720
for some reason this the fact that he was in the military is kind of helping him get away with things.

893
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:12,960
Yeah.

894
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:13,760
Like maybe people work new.

895
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,360
Maybe and he's a teacher.

896
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,560
Yeah, well maybe his coworkers at the school knew that he was ex-military and they were like

897
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,080
whatever, I mean like yeah, he might have done something but like he's probably fucked up from the military or whatever.

898
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,400
And then maybe these cops are like looking into his background.

899
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:26,880
Well, exactly.

900
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,080
He was ex-military, you know.

901
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:28,640
So stand up dude.

902
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,200
Are we really gonna like try to persecute someone that's a prosecute?

903
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,040
Someone that doesn't have a record.

904
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:33,840
And here's this man that lives-

905
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,440
Even though he's done so much shit.

906
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,240
He has.

907
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,840
Even though this, there's this guy Alexander looked right down the street.

908
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:40,960
He's a rape, a Santa murder.

909
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,000
Wouldn't have put it past him.

910
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:49,680
So Alex's wife would ultimately change her statement saying that Alex was not in the house for a few hours that night.

911
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,080
Oh, she just turned on his ass.

912
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,120
She turned on his ass.

913
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:53,760
Hard.

914
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,040
Oh my god, I'd be like, bitch, fuck you.

915
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,000
It is awful.

916
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,440
And with this, Alex would actually confess to the murder.

917
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:10,160
A confessed, a coerced confession is always so- it pisses me off so much.

918
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:10,800
It's so bad.

919
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,960
I mean, don't get me wrong, this guy's a piece of shit too.

920
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,680
However, why are you gonna confess to something that you didn't do?

921
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,160
Oh, it always like fucking baffles me.

922
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,120
At Alex's trial, he maintained his innocence saying that he only confessed under extreme duress.

923
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,360
Unfortunately, he was found guilty and he was sentenced to death.

924
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,800
He was executed by firing squad in July of 1983.

925
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:34,880
Not even kidding.

926
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,680
Okay, imagine going to prison for any amount of time for something that you didn't do.

927
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:45,360
Now imagine getting put on the death penalty for something that you didn't fucking do and actually getting killed.

928
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:51,120
But do you think that maybe somewhere in his mind, like, it was like,

929
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,680
karmatic for him because he was already-

930
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:54,640
No, again, he's a piece of shit.

931
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,720
...be a victim of rape and murder?

932
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:04,880
Do you think that maybe some type of like serendipitous circumstances put him in this position?

933
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,880
And then, I mean, that's honestly, I might feel that way.

934
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,040
I'd be like, maybe I deserve this.

935
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,600
And maybe that's why I'm being convicted of something I didn't do.

936
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:12,080
I mean, I could see it.

937
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,400
Is because I should have been here already.

938
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,120
I can see it.

939
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,040
Again, this guy is definitely a piece of shit.

940
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:23,600
I just don't agree with the fact that he didn't do that crime and he got charged and killed for that crime.

941
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,120
And then Andre over here is just like, yippy-skippy, like whatever,

942
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,280
I'm just hanging out with my not-wife at my not-house.

943
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,880
Like, I wasn't there that night.

944
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,760
Like, oh my- that is- isn't that horrible?

945
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,440
I think that's one of the first times I've ever heard of someone

946
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,600
not only getting convicted of something that they didn't do, but getting actually killed

947
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:42,800
from something that they didn't do.

948
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:43,360
Yeah.

949
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,840
And they were ruthless back then with the death penalty.

950
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,040
Ugh, that's awful.

951
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,120
That's just like mind-blowing.

952
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,840
Andre would actually find work again after Lana's murder because, again, he was jobless

953
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,200
because he was laid off, right?

954
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,680
He began teaching for another school and in 1981, his teaching career and his assault

955
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,440
streak on students would end.

956
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,280
Complaints were filed by parents and teachers about Andre's assault on

957
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,200
children of both sexes at this point.

958
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:09,520
Oh.

959
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,120
Not just girls.

960
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:11,360
Yeah.

961
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,720
So he was fired from the school.

962
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,040
So this would be the last time that he would work in a school system.

963
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,080
Oh, this school actually did something like-

964
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:18,640
Finally.

965
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,320
On today, would then begin to work as a traveling supplies clerk for a Russian factory company.

966
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,680
Okay, so now he has access to people's homes.

967
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:28,240
Right?

968
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:33,200
So he's like traveling, like multiple victims.

969
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,200
It's cool. More access to people in general.

970
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:43,520
At this point, Andre was realizing that he needed violence in order to achieve sexual pleasure.

971
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,440
He did know that he craved this type of interaction again, but he knew that he was wrong.

972
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,560
So watch a scary movie.

973
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,200
Or watch a fucking gory movie.

974
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:51,840
I don't know.

975
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,560
Andre claimed that he would often cut off business trips for a shorter amount of times

976
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,280
just to return home in fear of committing another murder.

977
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:08,240
So he knew that once he had Lana and that interaction, nothing was going to satisfy him in that way.

978
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,960
And so that's what he claimed.

979
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,160
He claimed that he would come home early to not commit murders.

980
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,720
Yeah, I don't really think that he's a good guy, so I don't really give a shit.

981
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:16,960
No.

982
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,720
If you were like, I had to go home to like not commit murder.

983
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:21,040
Like-

984
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,880
How gracious of him.

985
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:23,760
Literally.

986
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,640
Thank you for that.

987
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:25,680
Good for fucking you.

988
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,960
So in September of 1981, Andre would encounter a 13 year old named Larissa-

989
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:34,240
Chakenko.

990
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:35,040
Oh.

991
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:36,720
That was that was all right.

992
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:37,280
Yeah.

993
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,400
Larissa Chakenko.

994
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,600
And she was actually near a bus stop.

995
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,800
He walked up to her and he asked if she was interested in participating in in bibing and some alcohol,

996
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,000
some vodka.

997
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:48,720
In bibing.

998
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:49,520
In bibing.

999
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:49,840
What does that mean?

1000
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:50,400
Is to drink.

1001
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:51,680
What?

1002
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:52,240
You didn't know that?

1003
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:53,120
I did not.

1004
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,680
I learned something.

1005
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,280
So he was like, let's take a walk.

1006
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,400
Let's drink some vodka.

1007
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,680
Let's relax in the park.

1008
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,240
So she agreed to it.

1009
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:03,440
She was like, why not?

1010
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,040
He also said that he had weed, I think.

1011
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,720
How old is he at this point?

1012
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:07,760
Um, let's see.

1013
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,920
This is 1981 and he was born in 36.

1014
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,040
So he's almost 50.

1015
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:14,160
Probably.

1016
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:14,560
Yeah.

1017
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:14,880
Yeah.

1018
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:15,120
Cause I was-

1019
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,600
And he's hanging out with a 13 year old.

1020
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:17,920
That's-

1021
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:19,280
I mean, what a-

1022
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:19,920
Like-

1023
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,120
It's odd V, right?

1024
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:21,600
Well, yeah.

1025
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,120
And he's an adult.

1026
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:23,920
He's the one that needs-

1027
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:24,800
That should know better.

1028
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:25,040
Yeah.

1029
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,320
Cause 13 year old doesn't know any better.

1030
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:26,640
Right.

1031
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:27,120
Of course.

1032
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:27,200
Of course.

1033
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:27,440
Yes.

1034
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,920
So he actually walked up, like I said,

1035
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,320
asked her to have a few drinks with him,

1036
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,120
walked through the park.

1037
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,040
Content warning.

1038
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,840
Once secluded, he then began to attack her.

1039
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,560
On a day aggressively threw her to the ground

1040
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,800
and actually began to try to sexually assault her.

1041
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,280
Again, he was unable to perform sexually

1042
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,240
and he grew enraged.

1043
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,200
He then began to shove dirt and earth

1044
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,640
into her face and mouth.

1045
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,240
He beat and strangled her.

1046
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:54,880
However, he wouldn't be satisfied until he saw blood.

1047
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,880
But knowing that he didn't have a knife

1048
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,400
or a sharp instrument on him,

1049
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,560
he began gnawing at her with his teeth.

1050
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:01,040
What?

1051
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,760
Until he ultimately cut out a chunk of skin on her breast.

1052
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,240
And with the blood, he then, of course, ejaculated.

1053
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,120
He actually ended up swallowing the amount of flesh.

1054
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:13,920
Oh no!

1055
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,880
She did not survive the attack, of course.

1056
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,680
He then loosely covered her body with leaves and dirt

1057
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:20,800
before leaving the scene.

1058
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,960
Literally, so was found the next day.

1059
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,800
Okay, no one can see me, my hand is over my mouth,

1060
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:27,760
and I don't know what to say.

1061
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:28,400
What's a lot?

1062
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,160
The only question I have is that,

1063
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,160
is her cause of death also a strangulation?

1064
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,120
Or was it that?

1065
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,320
I believe it's strangulation.

1066
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,400
I was looking on the Wikipedia page

1067
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:37,840
because they do have a list of victims.

1068
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:38,320
Yeah.

1069
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:45,520
And they have names, sex, age, and then how they make it.

1070
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,440
And then how they met.

1071
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,240
But I didn't scroll over to see if there was a cause of death.

1072
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:50,480
Yeah.

1073
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:51,360
Yeah.

1074
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:52,880
I mean, I'm just, I just didn't say anything.

1075
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,640
It wasn't blood loss.

1076
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,320
June 12th, 1982 was a normal day for Lubov Burek.

1077
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,280
Her mother had actually asked her to help secure some groceries

1078
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,200
for the family and some medication

1079
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,560
because her mother wasn't feeling well.

1080
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,120
Lubov was actually an independent soul,

1081
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,560
and she had absolutely no problem

1082
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,560
navigating the area of town that she lived in.

1083
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,040
And so while waiting for the bus,

1084
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,600
her last errand of the day was to go pick up medication.

1085
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,600
She actually encountered Andrei.

1086
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,840
He was walking in between two bus stops.

1087
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,080
So he was trying to catch one and get to another.

1088
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,040
And he decided just to walk at that point.

1089
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,200
And probably because he saw Lubov.

1090
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,800
And he was like, oh, okay.

1091
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,520
So he was actually talking to her

1092
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:36,800
and what she was trying to explain,

1093
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,720
like I'm trying to get to the pharmacy or whatever.

1094
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:40,880
And he goes, oh, I know a really great shortcut

1095
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,000
if you go this way, right?

1096
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:43,520
And I can show you.

1097
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:43,920
Do it.

1098
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,840
So she obliged and she was like, sure.

1099
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,240
They started walking down until the two came to like

1100
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:54,800
a hidden point at this park or woods

1101
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,800
where they were like kind of covered by bushes.

1102
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,960
And then he began his attack.

1103
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,600
Andrei attacked her with a knife.

1104
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:05,120
He stabbed her as he tried to sexually assault her.

1105
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,400
He stabbed and slashed her 22 times.

1106
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:09,360
Oh my God.

1107
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,080
Mostly in the head, the neck, the chest,

1108
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,680
and her groin area.

1109
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:14,560
Oh my God.

1110
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,400
And she struggled, of course.

1111
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,680
He attempted to mutilate her eyes as well.

1112
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:21,520
Why?

1113
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:22,160
What the fuck?

1114
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:24,400
I'll tell you why.

1115
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,960
She was ultimately found 15 days later.

1116
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,480
And after this second killing,

1117
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,200
Andrei then knew like that was all he was ever going to do.

1118
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,160
He realized like in that moment, like I'm a killer.

1119
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,400
Like I need this in my life.

1120
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:41,520
Like you don't.

1121
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,040
What is horrible?

1122
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:52,400
So he actually began killing indiscriminately between July and September of 1982.

1123
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,920
He would have five more victims between the ages of nine and 18, both male and female.

1124
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:58,720
My God.

1125
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:02,320
His bonus operandi was that he was targeting runaways.

1126
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:08,640
He was targeting drug addicts, sex workers, and he also enjoyed picking up people at certain

1127
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:13,920
locations like we've seen the bus stops, but he would also frequent train stations as well.

1128
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,680
He enjoyed doing that high traffic area thing.

1129
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:22,480
Like he wasn't afraid to lure someone, which was interesting to me.

1130
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,920
Well, it's one of those things I guarantee you he thinks back on it and he's like,

1131
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,720
there were so many people around and I still did it.

1132
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:29,280
Exactly.

1133
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:29,520
Okay.

1134
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:35,520
So that's exactly what I was thinking of because another part of his MO is that he takes people

1135
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:40,720
to what seem like secluded locations, but they're not always secluded.

1136
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:43,920
They're like city parks and woods and things like that.

1137
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,240
It's not like they're out in nowhere.

1138
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,160
You think he wants to get caught?

1139
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,280
I think so.

1140
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,360
I think it's like that thrill and I don't know.

1141
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:52,960
That's something that I don't.

1142
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:59,840
I feel like there's certain reasons or things that were put in motion to what his MO is,

1143
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,600
especially during the assault.

1144
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:06,000
But I wonder what that out in the open thing is because that comes from somewhere.

1145
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:11,280
Well, to be fair, he was sanctioned in this little tiny area when he was younger and his

1146
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,880
family was only given so much space to grow and to be able to live.

1147
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,440
I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but that's what I think of when it's like

1148
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:20,800
these big open spaces.

1149
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,040
Like maybe that's what brings him comfort because that's not what he had growing up.

1150
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:25,680
Growing up?

1151
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:26,080
Yeah.

1152
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:26,560
I don't know.

1153
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:32,880
And I don't know if it's like a bravado thing, but what am I trying to say?

1154
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:34,960
Like an arrogance thing?

1155
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,320
I did this right under everybody's nose.

1156
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,880
If you're new here, by the way, listeners, this is kind of what we do as well.

1157
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,520
We obviously talk about true crime, but we also like to speculate on the psychological

1158
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,360
aspect of things and the potential mental illness of the killer.

1159
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,240
So that's what we're doing.

1160
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:53,280
That's what I'm talking about.

1161
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,400
I just really feel like it's a blatant disregard, honestly.

1162
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,920
Like you just like, I don't care.

1163
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,160
Like this is what I need and whatever.

1164
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,880
Most of his victims, and you asked about the eyes earlier,

1165
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,200
they had their eyes mutilated or torn out.

1166
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,600
I hate eye stuff that like really freaks me out.

1167
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:08,640
I can touch my eyes.

1168
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:09,280
I wear contacts.

1169
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,800
I can touch my eyes, but like injuring my eyes, it like terrifies me.

1170
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:13,360
Yeah, that's scary.

1171
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,320
Like a sharp thing.

1172
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:14,880
I'm like, oh.

1173
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:20,240
So there's actually a Russian superstition that the last moments of death are actually

1174
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:21,840
imprinted on the back of your eyes.

1175
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:23,040
What?

1176
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,040
That's really interesting.

1177
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,640
I didn't know that that was a thing.

1178
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:32,640
Yeah, and like I said, I think that I, maybe I've heard that somewhere and I want to say

1179
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,800
it was Rasputin, but I'm not really sure.

1180
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,320
But I've definitely heard that before.

1181
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,440
And so yeah, I just think that's really interesting that it's, yeah, mainly a Russian

1182
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,280
superstition or that's where it originated from.

1183
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,680
So what was his, what do you think his goal was in that?

1184
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,320
Was it like to erase that from happening?

1185
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:49,120
To not get caught.

1186
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:50,000
Yeah.

1187
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,880
But like, okay, this is just me thinking about the first

1188
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,040
I don't know what happened obviously, but the first, not the first, the second murder that

1189
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,320
you talked about, it almost seemed like he went for the eyes kind of like towards the

1190
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,360
end of his attack.

1191
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:08,160
And so wouldn't the beginning of the attack be imprinted in his mind or if that superstition

1192
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:08,320
folds?

1193
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,840
It's the last moments of death.

1194
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,760
Oh, like right before you die.

1195
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:12,080
Yes.

1196
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,600
That, that is, it's like a, oh, I remember where it was.

1197
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:16,720
It was Wild, Wild West.

1198
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:19,920
With Will Smith.

1199
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,320
Will Smith is listening and he's disappointed.

1200
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,920
Well, no, because I remembered him.

1201
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:26,320
Yeah.

1202
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:32,080
It's in Wild, Wild West, I think, where they literally take the guy's eyeball and like

1203
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,800
put it on a projector and they like turn it, like invert it so you can see the last

1204
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,200
moments of death and you find out who the bad guy is.

1205
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,560
Like straight up.

1206
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:41,680
That's what it was.

1207
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,040
And also a Rasputin.

1208
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,720
That's, that's very bizarre.

1209
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:47,120
And that's really fucked up that he does that.

1210
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:47,440
Yeah.

1211
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,320
So he did that.

1212
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:48,720
Yeah.

1213
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:52,720
So he definitely did that with intent.

1214
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:54,320
There was a reason for that.

1215
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:59,440
So another part of his MO is that the victims also had mutilations done to their sexual organs.

1216
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:00,880
So.

1217
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,240
I mean, that's a given.

1218
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:02,480
Yeah.

1219
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:08,160
Because he hates his own sexual organs and he is projecting that on his victims.

1220
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:15,120
So for males, he would castrate the males either with a knife or by tearing through

1221
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,160
the flesh with his teeth.

1222
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,000
And I said that in the nicest way possible.

1223
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,880
He would also swallow parts, especially the sexual organs.

1224
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:26,480
Wait a second.

1225
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:28,000
Ding.

1226
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:28,560
Light bulb.

1227
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,080
His mom had that cannibal story when he was growing up that she told him about.

1228
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:38,160
That makes, okay, again, making these connections from childhood to now.

1229
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,440
That makes, doesn't make sense obviously, but that connection is there.

1230
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,800
If you're going to put a potion together, there's all the pieces, right?

1231
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:45,120
Yeah.

1232
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,840
Like you're going to dabble in some cannibalism.

1233
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:54,640
You're going to dabble in the famine and the starvation.

1234
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,080
And then you're going to dabble in the.

1235
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:57,760
Seclusion.

1236
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:04,000
The seclusion and the unable to perform because of the incontinence and the sexual

1237
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,040
aspect of it.

1238
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,120
And you're going to dash all that in together.

1239
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:07,920
And then.

1240
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:08,960
I don't think I've really ever.

1241
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,960
Stir it up with some bully and then.

1242
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:11,440
Yeah.

1243
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,240
Then.

1244
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:17,680
I don't think I've really ever heard a story kind of

1245
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:22,880
like this where every kind of part of the MO really you can connect it to something.

1246
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:23,440
Not make sense.

1247
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,640
I don't want to say it makes sense, but you can connect it to something in the childhood.

1248
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:26,960
Yeah.

1249
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,520
Most of the time it's like, yeah, well, you can connect this and this and this,

1250
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:30,640
this, you know, links together.

1251
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:31,600
But then what the hell is that?

1252
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,400
That's kind of out there.

1253
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,160
It's kind of weird, you know, but that.

1254
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:34,640
Wow.

1255
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:35,760
It's pretty interesting.

1256
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:36,000
Yeah.

1257
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,200
I mean, that's not the most damning piece of evidence right there.

1258
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,240
Let's look at your childhood.

1259
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:45,680
So for females, you know, to the counterpart of the male, he would cut or tear their breasts

1260
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,920
or parts of their lower abdomen, even like the uterus and stuff.

1261
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:51,520
That's really awful.

1262
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:57,200
On December 11, 1982, Andre came across a 10 year old named Olga Stalmachev.

1263
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,320
Oh, not the 10 year old.

1264
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,160
She was alone riding the bus on her way to her parents' house.

1265
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:06,720
Andre had actually struck up a conversation with her and they actually got off the bus together.

1266
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:13,120
A few riders actually took notice of the odd couple because it seems strange that he pulled

1267
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,840
her by her hand once off the bus. And of course, he's 50 and she's 10.

1268
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:18,160
Yeah.

1269
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:23,040
And clearly people that were listening to the conversation knew that they were probably just

1270
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,160
meeting each other.

1271
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,680
Yeah, not like dad and daughter.

1272
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:25,920
Yeah.

1273
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:33,360
Andre walked with her onto the outskirts of town, actually, where he then took her,

1274
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,880
slashed her, stabbed her over 50 times, killing her.

1275
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,360
Oh my God.

1276
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:44,320
He then mutilated her body. He removed her sexual organs as well.

1277
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:49,760
So he's getting like more, like he's adding more things on and he's taking more time.

1278
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,600
Unfortunately, Olga would not be found for another four months later.

1279
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:54,560
Oh my gosh.

1280
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:55,280
It's really sad.

1281
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:01,760
In January, 1983, investigators pieced together that there's a potential serial killer on the

1282
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:02,160
loose.

1283
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,200
You don't say.

1284
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:03,680
Right.

1285
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:12,480
So I did look up how many victims he had at this point and I want to say it's about 13 victims

1286
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,520
by the time they start connecting some of these.

1287
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,280
And this is before Olga's actually found.

1288
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:22,640
This was, so Olga passed in December.

1289
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,120
She wasn't found until April, but in January, investigators were like,

1290
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,720
okay, there's like clearly some issues happening here.

1291
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:36,080
There was at least four victims that police are now officially linking at this point with MO

1292
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:38,480
and age range as well.

1293
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,520
And probably like location.

1294
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,200
And location likely.

1295
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:49,120
So as Andrei continued to kill, case by case, more and more are linked to the idea of a serial

1296
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:49,600
murderer.

1297
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:50,240
Okay.

1298
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:54,800
So this is again, this is January and then Olga won't be found until April,

1299
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,040
but I think you had two others in between there somewhere.

1300
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:03,200
And I'm not trying to discredit all of the victims at the end.

1301
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,680
I will, you know, of course, list the victims out of respect for each one of them.

1302
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:13,760
But the ones that I am talking about, not just for time's sake, but it's because there's

1303
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:20,800
substantial evidence and yeah, substantial evidence of it, not just hearsay by Andrei,

1304
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,960
because he does eventually talk about it.

1305
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,280
There are more knows he's probably fabricating.

1306
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,600
They're they're noteworthy is what it is.

1307
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:35,200
Like each one has either an escalation or a different type of MO that's coming to light.

1308
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:35,440
Yeah.

1309
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,440
You know, things like that.

1310
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,040
So, so of course, they're trying to link it to the serial murderer, right?

1311
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:42,400
Trying to.

1312
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:42,720
Yeah.

1313
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:48,960
Police are convinced, however, that the killers are a part of a group of perpetrators who are

1314
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:54,320
either harvesting organs or Satanists because why not?

1315
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,800
Or it's that Alex guy that we killed years ago and he's still on the loose for Alex.

1316
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:00,400
Oh, so sad.

1317
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:01,920
Why the Satanists?

1318
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,040
Why the Satanists always get picked on?

1319
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,240
It's always the Satanists.

1320
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:05,200
They always get picked on.

1321
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,760
Like Satanism is literally like not even what it sounds like.

1322
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:08,880
And it's not what people think it is.

1323
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,440
And people always get fucking the oh, it must be those fucking Satanists.

1324
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:11,680
Yeah.

1325
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,280
Well, it is the 80s, though.

1326
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:14,800
So, you know, that was a big right.

1327
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,080
The the what was it?

1328
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:17,200
The coming out panic.

1329
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:17,440
Yeah.

1330
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:18,960
Kind of like the Helter Skelter.

1331
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,640
Yeah, the Helter Skelter.

1332
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:20,960
God.

1333
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:22,720
Dummies.

1334
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:23,600
A manic panic.

1335
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,280
That's a fucking hair dye brand.

1336
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,000
It is.

1337
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,200
That's my hair dye brand.

1338
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:35,360
So police began to kind of sidebar create a profile of a person if it was a man or men

1339
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:36,960
that exists.

1340
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,720
What kind of perpetrators would they be?

1341
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,160
And let me guess, it looks nothing like.

1342
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,440
Well, they did say they said, you know, it's probably pedophiles or homosexuals

1343
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,040
because why not homosexuals?

1344
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:48,160
Why not homosexuals?

1345
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,360
Why not homosexuals?

1346
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:50,160
Why not homosexuals?

1347
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,440
That's what I'm saying.

1348
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:58,000
So they actually begin to interrogate known sex offenders around the neighborhood.

1349
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,800
The neighborhoods where the victims were found in.

1350
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,360
Well, that's not going to work because he's not a known sex offender.

1351
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:03,920
He's not.

1352
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,600
He's never been convicted of anything.

1353
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,200
He's a known sex offender.

1354
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:07,600
We know.

1355
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:09,120
We know.

1356
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:09,920
They don't.

1357
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,320
So although some men actually confessed to the crimes,

1358
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,800
the confessions were almost always thrown out given that the men were under extreme pressure

1359
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,040
due to hours of interrogations.

1360
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,600
Dude, just like Alex, what is up with this fucking skewed mindset of like,

1361
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,400
I don't give a shit if you did it or not, we're going to put someone away.

1362
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:28,800
Yeah.

1363
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,640
It's literally to keep the like public panic and dismiss that.

1364
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:33,280
This is you know what?

1365
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,640
It doesn't matter who did it.

1366
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,680
We're going to say that we got the guy so that the public can stop freaking out.

1367
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:38,160
Yeah.

1368
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,440
That is so fucked up.

1369
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:44,480
The these tactics were so heavy handed.

1370
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:50,480
In fact, three men who were homosexual actually committed suicide after being outed

1371
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,520
and subject to brutal interrogation tactics.

1372
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:55,840
Oh my God, that hurts my heart.

1373
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,120
Because they were publicly shamed.

1374
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:58,400
Oh my God.

1375
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,200
For being gay.

1376
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:00,400
It's not awful.

1377
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,680
That really hurts my heart.

1378
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:02,560
It's really sad.

1379
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:03,520
Poor things.

1380
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,680
That's how like awful these idiots are.

1381
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,720
Like, I mean fuck Andrei, but like these guys are idiots.

1382
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:09,760
Like what the fuck?

1383
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:15,600
Like however statistically as a result of the determination of some of these investigators,

1384
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,280
over 1000 unrelated crimes were actually solved during this time.

1385
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,160
Okay, I mean, we'll give you that.

1386
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:28,320
This includes 95 unsolved murders, 140 aggravated assaults, and 245 rape cases.

1387
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,560
What were these guys doing before they started looking into this fucking serial murder?

1388
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,880
They started looking into this fucking serial murder or 95 murders?

1389
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,880
Unsolved.

1390
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,640
This is where I mean, I guess they got bigger shit going on in this town.

1391
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:43,360
I fucking know.

1392
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:44,640
Jesus.

1393
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:49,440
So again, so far Andrei's murder count is 14 victims.

1394
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,040
And that is where we will stop.

1395
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:52,640
It's going to be a two-parter.

1396
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,000
It's going to be a, oh yeah.

1397
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,280
Oh yeah.

1398
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,160
Oh yeah, we are kind of far away.

1399
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,760
We're already on 14.

1400
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,680
We got a bit of a ways.

1401
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:00,800
Oh, okay.

1402
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,480
Well, I don't know what's going to happen next, so I have to wait with the listeners too and see.

1403
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:06,000
It's exciting.

1404
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:06,640
That was good.

1405
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,200
Oh my gosh, I'm really, I don't want to say I'm excited, but like.

1406
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,320
I'm so excited to hear about the rest of this terrible crime.

1407
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:14,320
Wow, that's good.

1408
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:15,040
I really liked that.

1409
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:15,440
It's a lot.

1410
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,400
It's very interesting so far and that's a lot of information.

1411
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,760
So yeah, to be fair to the listeners, we don't want a three hour episode.

1412
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:22,400
Yeah.

1413
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,000
Stopping for part one is probably the move.

1414
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,920
I feel so bad for Alex.

1415
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:28,400
Dude, what the fuck is that?

1416
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:29,440
I mean, he's also a raper.

1417
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:30,000
I mean, he is a raper.

1418
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,600
He is a raper, murderer.

1419
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:36,960
But I don't know if he deserved to get like murdered like in not in cold blood, but death penalty.

1420
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,200
I mean, it's pretty cold in Russia.

1421
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:40,480
That is cold blooded.

1422
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:41,440
A firing squad.

1423
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:42,480
That is cold blooded.

1424
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:43,040
That is cold blooded.

1425
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:44,560
Damn.

1426
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:45,680
RIP Alex.

1427
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,160
But also like rest of distress because you're a fucking terrible person.

1428
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:49,040
Right.

1429
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,720
In the meantime, while you're waiting for part two, you can follow us on Instagram at

1430
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:53,680
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1431
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,080
We have Twitter at killerdiagnosis.

1432
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:57,120
Gmail.com.

1433
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:58,640
Gmail.com.

1434
01:00:58,640 --> 01:00:59,200
Yeah.

1435
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:04,560
We also have Patreon, which we got two new Patreons.

1436
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:05,280
I'm so excited.

1437
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:05,760
Yeah, thanks guys.

1438
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,840
Patreon.com slash diagnosing a killer.

1439
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,760
And we hope to see you next time we are here to see you or hear you.

1440
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,640
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1441
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:15,840
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1442
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:16,400
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1443
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:38,560
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