1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,480 Hello! I am Kenna. I'm Koelle. And welcome back to another episode of 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:12,600 Diagnosing a Killer. Are you not gonna do it with me? I was waiting for you to join. 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,840 I feel like I always say it with you so I wanted to see what happened if I didn't say it. 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:21,720 Oh, there you go. What? Welcome to Diagnosing a Killer. 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:48,720 I smell like coffee. Sorry, I'm gonna be like breathing into your own mouth. That's kind of weird. 6 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:55,200 We are back this week. I have a very special new case for everybody. 7 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,240 I'm really excited. I know that you're excited to talk about it. 8 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:04,320 It's the one that I didn't know and I was like, no, like everything I read was a no way. 9 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:09,040 Every twist, every turn. The cool thing about it is that the amount of information I found is like 10 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,680 remarkable. There's a lot? Not only is there a lot of information on the crimes, 11 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:22,000 there's a lot of quotes from the killer that I included in here because I think it's very 12 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:28,400 important to see his mindset about the whole thing, especially after the fact. So we're gonna 13 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:33,720 talk about that. That being said, with the amount of detail, this is gonna be a two-parter. 14 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:38,440 Ooh, saucy. Alright, I haven't done a two-parter in a while. 15 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:43,960 Yeah, we're gonna do part one today and then probably next week we'll release part two. 16 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:48,520 Do you have any business we need to talk about? I don't think so. 17 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:53,880 I don't really think so. I mean, just living life. Christmas was good. 18 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:59,080 Excited for New Year's. Oh my gosh, I'm not. A lot of life changes that have been happening. 19 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,800 Yeah, I work a double on Friday and then I'm off for New Year's Day and then I work a double on Sunday. 20 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,080 So I'm gonna have not a very fun New Year's, I guess. 21 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:12,600 I was gonna say, so you work a double the day before New Year's Eve and then you're off 22 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,920 New Year's Eve but then you work a double on New Year's Day. No, I work a double on New Year's Eve. 23 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:20,680 I'm off on New Year's Day and then I work a double the next day. Oh, I see. 24 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,160 But still, at least you have New Year's Day off. You can go out and have some fun. 25 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,680 That's true. I think you gotta work. Yeah. I don't know what's gonna be open but... 26 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,440 I don't know, that's true. I want to go to the ranch but it's far and I don't think I'm gonna 27 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,080 want to drive all the way up there on New Year's Eve after work. After work, yeah. 28 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:41,320 Oh well, no one cares about my plans. Get into the cage. What are you doing for New Year's 29 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:52,200 Eve, guys? Yeah, tell us. So I researched this week for my Tupata, a British case. 30 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:59,240 So this is set in the UK. That being said, there are some names in here that I might butcher. 31 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:04,440 So please let me know if I'm saying anything incorrectly. If I do something, say something 32 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:09,400 incorrectly. I have no problem with you correcting me or listeners. But we're gonna get right on 33 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:16,920 into it. We're gonna be talking about Alexander Lewis Ranwell. Alexander Lewis Ranwell? No? 34 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,760 You do that all the time when you have a case and you say the name and then you're like, 35 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,600 no, no. Is that, you know, do you know who that is? Any bells ringing? Any bells? 36 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,040 What was his name? Alexander Lewis Ranwell. He has a hyphenated last name. 37 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:37,720 Is he the guy that he lured young men and killed them in a graveyard? Nope. Okay. I really hope 38 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:42,200 you don't know this game. Because every time you end up knowing it, like halfway through, like, 39 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:51,240 oh my god. Alexander Lewis Ranwell was born on March 17, 1991 in Guildford, England. Oh, 40 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,800 he's a baby. I couldn't find the name of his father anywhere. I looked for a while, but I did 41 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:01,480 find the name of his mom that is Jill Lewis Ranwell. Her name was also hyphenated. What happened 42 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,560 to his dad? His dad, there's nothing happened to him. I just couldn't find the name of him. Oh, 43 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:11,960 yeah. So he grew up in a relatively wealthy middle-class home. His mom worked as an IT 44 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:17,960 project manager and his dad was a retired insurance worker. So both, you know, good living, good 45 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:24,440 jobs. As a child, he attended Seven Oaks Preparatory School. This is a coeducational school, only in 46 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:31,960 about like 400 kids from the ages two to 13. All in the same school. Yeah. And in the year 2000, 47 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:37,320 he ended up moving schools to Sutton Valence School, another coeducational, but this was a 48 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:43,160 boarding school. This was located in Maidstone and educated kids from nursery age to sixth form or 49 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:49,560 sixth grade, as we call it here. So he just moved schools. Okay. From the ages of two to 13, he just 50 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,480 moved schools, but they're pretty similar. But a boarding school, I feel like, I mean, when you 51 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,080 hear things like that in the US, it's usually because you're a bad kid. Yeah. I don't think it was 52 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,640 anything like that. I think maybe work, maybe took mom somewhere and then the family moved or 53 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:06,600 something. I don't think it was anything negative. Yeah. It wasn't anything of no, yeah. Now, two 54 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:12,200 years later in 2002, he left yet again. It didn't say where. I think when it says he left, he just 55 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,880 moved schools again. So I guess he was, he was bounced around from school to school when he was 56 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:20,760 growing up. At the age of 13, his family moved to Devon, England. This is in the southwest part 57 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:28,040 of the country. And here he was privately educated at 30,000 pounds a year, which it translates to 58 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:33,560 roughly like 40,000 US dollars a year for a 13 year old. That's ridiculous. That's a lot of money. 59 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:39,000 I spent less than that on college. And he's an only child, I guess. No, I didn't see anything about 60 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,600 somebody. I think he is an only child. And then, yeah, then clearly his parents have nice jobs. 61 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:50,680 Yeah. The school he attended here was called West Buckland. This is in Devon. At this school, he 62 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:56,120 developed a passion for playing polo. And he really wanted to change his name and wanted to go by the 63 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,440 nickname Albee. So his name is Alexander, but he wanted to be called Albee. Yeah. Why? Because 64 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:05,800 it sounds more exotic. I guess. I'm going to refer to him as Alexander. But this is just a note. 65 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,320 We're not going to give him that. We're just going to say his name is Alexander. Yeah. 66 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:16,280 Yeah. He's actually really smart. He went on to gain 11 GCSEs, which are general certificate of 67 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:21,960 secondary education. Which included? 11? Yeah. Which included seventh grade, although he was only 68 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:27,000 in sixth. So he was up, he was above his classmates as far as like educational knowledge. So would 69 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,280 that be considered like, like GT? Like GT? Yeah. Like he probably could have skipped a grade if he 70 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:38,440 wanted to. However, hands it up dropping out of school in sixth form, which again, sixth grade, 71 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:43,400 saying that studies were quote, pointless. And he ended up becoming what they noted as a casual 72 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:50,040 worker, probably like blue collar jobs. You know, that's probably what that means. During this time 73 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:55,400 from age 13 on, he worked a number of jobs. I'm just going to mention them here. We'll talk about 74 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:01,400 them as they happen. But this was just noted. He worked, they said they named them petty jobs, 75 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:06,680 including working in a factory. He worked as a fencing contractor at one point. He even traveled 76 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:12,120 to Australia and New Zealand for work. He was also a scaffolder in London for a short period of time. 77 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:18,120 Yeah. And he even worked in France at a ski and snowboarding resort. So yeah, like he really kind 78 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:23,000 of jack of all trades here. Yeah. He was still very much into sports. Like I said, he liked polo 79 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:28,840 a lot. But during his childhood into early adulthood, he was noted as enjoying playing rugby, polo, 80 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:34,440 surfing, skateboarding and skiing. Just an active dude. Yeah. And a former friend who actually asked 81 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:39,560 not to be named, even claimed that Alexander, quote, liked living in a tent and loved to go 82 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:45,080 surfing and skating. So he was kind of just like a free spirit kind of, I'll just do whatever I want. 83 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,200 Screw school. I don't want to do that. Just a rugged dude. Yeah. And the same friend was also 84 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:56,120 noted as saying that, quote, he was the most laid back, hippie, sporty, surfer skateboarder type 85 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:01,400 you could ever imagine. Just seems like a 70s dude, even though he was more than 90s. Yeah. 86 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:06,520 Just live in life. Yeah. Just seems like he's going out there, live in life and like experiencing 87 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,880 all life has to offer. Exactly. And why shouldn't you? Right? Yeah. So notably, it seemed to be 88 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,640 pretty clear that he didn't have any mental health issues as a child. You know, nothing out of the 89 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:20,040 ordinary. In fact, nothing but ordinary, you know, except for the dropping out of school part. But 90 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:26,600 he had a little reason behind that, I guess, in his mind. There was like not a lot mentioned about 91 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:33,160 his life from the years 2002 to 2014. I think that he just did this. What he's talking about, 92 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:37,320 you know, he just kind of did his own thing. He worked a bunch of different jobs. But around 93 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:43,480 2014, he was noted as living in France and living with and dating a woman named Charlotte. I was 94 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,640 going to say any girlfriend. Yeah. So he seems like a pretty adventurous dude. So he's about 23 95 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:53,560 at this time living in France and dating this Charlotte. In 2016, at the age of 25, he's noted 96 00:08:53,560 --> 00:09:00,200 to be in a different relationship. This time, a woman in her 60s named Dulce. Oh, okay. He's 25. 97 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,120 It's a little herald and mod of you. A little different than, you know, I didn't mention how 98 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:10,680 old Charlotte was, but she wasn't 60. She wasn't 60. It was notable that this woman was 60. Yeah. 99 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:17,160 It wasn't notable how old the other one was. This is probably around his age. Yeah. So around this 100 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:25,080 time when he's about 25, he began to show signs of severe mental illness. Severe? Now, let me ask you 101 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,720 what types of mental illness typically don't present themselves until the early 20s. 102 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:35,320 Schizophrenia. There you go. He was sectioned under the Mental Health Act of 1983 at this time. 103 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,280 And I'll explain what that means. This act states that somebody that is severely mentally ill 104 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,840 can be taken into a mental hospital and held without their consent for a period of time if 105 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:50,040 they're thought to be in danger or a threat to others. Okay. So this act is also put in place. 106 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:55,320 It covers the cost of this mental health visit, which is awesome. And they also cover the cost 107 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,560 to make arrangements for maybe outside things that this person is responsible for if they have pets 108 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:03,880 or if they have a job, like they take care of all of that for you. In the UK or just Great Britain? 109 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,320 In the UK. Yes. Okay. Okay. So he would eventually be released from this care, 110 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,280 but he would quickly find himself with a second admission to a psychiatric unit. Wow. I'll come 111 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,640 back to that in just a minute, but there are things that happen in between these two visits. 112 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,760 So by- I'm sorry. I just think that's really incredible about that, that act. Yeah. And it's 113 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:28,520 the act of- It's called the Mental Health Act of 1983. 1983. And it's still in effect. 1983. Yeah. 114 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:34,200 And we can't even get a single law made. Oh, and we can't get mental health treatment for free. 115 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:39,000 Yeah. Yeah. It's ridiculous. That's incredible though. I'm good for them. Of course. I mean, 116 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,320 they're definitely progressing. They're also hundreds of years older than our countries. 117 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:51,160 So that's true. They have the experience. So by 2017, he is now 26 years old. He was noted as 118 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:56,280 being in a different relationship with another woman in her 40s called Merrill. Not that he was 119 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,360 in two at the same time, but he is now out of the relationship with the 60-year-old and a new one 120 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,400 with the 40-year-old. Okay. With Merrill. Yes. Merrill. Merrill. It was also around this time 121 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:11,160 that he was admitted to a psychiatric unit for the second time, like I said. So about a year later, 122 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:16,280 this time he was admitted in Western Supermere. It's another town in England. And again, 123 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:21,480 he was released. Okay. I read somewhere that he was prescribed medication. I was unable to find 124 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:27,320 what medication he was prescribed, but it seems as though this visit helped him get on the medication 125 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:34,520 that would help him. Okay. Still no diagnosis that's noted, but spoiler alert, he is diagnosis 126 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:39,720 paranoid schizophrenic later on in life. And that's because of the time. That's not my, you know, 127 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:46,280 the language. Right. Yeah. The language is schizophrenic spectrum. So in the summer of 2018, 128 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:51,320 he returned to England from a stay in France, and he was living with Merrill, the same lady, 129 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,960 in London. And this is when he was working as a scaffolder. Okay. At this point in his life, 130 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,520 he was said to be making pretty good money. Doctors even noted at this time that his mental 131 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:05,480 health seemed to be decent. However, as they do in cases like this, things took a considerable 132 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:11,480 turn for the worse. And by the end of 2018, he found himself single, homeless and broke. 133 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,600 So I mean, I know that that's part of the schizophrenia spectrum too is like when you 134 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:22,040 have stability and you have routine and you have, you know, these certain things put into place, 135 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:30,280 that it can help, you know, kind of not control it, but kind of help keep it in. Yeah. And, 136 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:36,760 and so, yeah, that's really, I mean, you see a lot of transient people that are on the streets 137 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:41,320 that have schizophrenia. Yeah. And they don't have any structure. You know, they have to survive. 138 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:48,600 And it just exacerbates that they're deteriorates their mental state. Of course. And then also, 139 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:53,480 we see this a lot, especially in cases with schizophrenia spectrum, people that take the 140 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,960 medication for it, realize, Oh my gosh, I'm doing so much better. I don't need the medication anymore. 141 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:02,280 So they either don't take it as often or they kind of try to weigh themselves off of it. And 142 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,920 then sure enough, like you and I know, and most of the listeners, hopefully you, that's something 143 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,040 that you need to be on for the rest of your life. There's no way to cure this disorder. It's, 144 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,920 take the medication and you can manage it. If you don't take the medication, this is what happens, 145 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:20,200 you know. And unfortunately, that is what happened. He, he seems like he started to become a little 146 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,440 more lenient with his medication. And it definitely took a turn for the worse. Yeah. 147 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:31,640 Now, by January of 2019, he was living at a campsite in Croyd, North Devon, so again, Southwest 148 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,720 England, and had seized all medication intake. This is when it's noted that he was no longer 149 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:40,520 taking meds. Probably because he was no longer picking them up from the pharmacy. Well, yeah, 150 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,280 I mean, how do you get around? How do you, you know, how do you know what time it is? Exactly. 151 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,600 During this time, it was noted that this is when his mental health took a terrible turn for the 152 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,440 worse. And he was, this is important. I'm going to mention this, and then I'm going to come back 153 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:58,920 to it. So he was noted at some point as pointing out a woman in a magazine who had been kidnapped. 154 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,640 But he was, his delusions had convinced him that this woman was Charlotte, his ex-girlfriend. 155 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,720 On the magazine, it said that the woman had been missing for 24 years. Okay. He believed that it 156 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:14,040 was Charlotte. But remember, they just dated a few years prior. So this really shows how detached 157 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:20,760 he is from reality. He began to believe that she was the victim of a pedophile ring and was being 158 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:26,920 held hostage. These delusions very quickly overtook his mind. And he had become convinced that she 159 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:33,720 was being held hostage in the basement of a specific house on Bonnet Road. Okay. I'm going to come 160 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:40,200 back to that, but just keep that in your mind. On Thursday, February 7th, 2019, Alexander went to 161 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:47,320 Lee Meadow Farm in Ilfricome, Devon. And while there, he stole a bicycle and a drill. Okay. Later, 162 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:53,160 that night, he was seen in a pub and was noted as acting aggressively towards the patrons inside. 163 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,720 Without having anything to arrest him for, police recalled, but they can, of course, take him into 164 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,320 custody. So they spoke with him that night and simply offered him a ride to which- They didn't 165 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,800 have proof of him stealing the bike and the drill. No. They had gotten called to the pub where he 166 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,960 was just acting a little aggressive. Strange. But he wasn't- I see. Okay. He wasn't abused, physically 167 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,080 harming or anything. I see. Yeah. They were just like, move on. They didn't know about the bicycle 168 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:18,760 and the drill. They offered him a ride to which he refused. That was the first time that he was 169 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:25,640 kind of involved with police. The next morning, by the way, this escalates very quickly. Okay. 170 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:31,000 And then he was addicted to porn. Like, yeah. Right? What's his name? Grant. 171 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:38,280 The next morning, February 8th, 2019, Alexander was arrested after being caught letting animals 172 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:43,480 out of a nearby farm on purpose. Okay. He had let the- I think it was a pony. He had let someone's 173 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:49,480 pony out, like, clearly on purpose. While in custody, police noted that he was behaving bizarrely, 174 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:54,200 but he declined mental health treatment. Okay. He was adamant about the fact that he was not a 175 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:59,880 threat to himself or to others, although police knew that he had been sectioned twice for psychosis, 176 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:04,280 as it read in the detention log that was taken. So they take a detention log every time, of course, 177 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:09,240 when they arrest somebody, detain them. They knew that he had been treated or at least sectioned 178 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:14,920 before for this. For mental stuff. During the same visit, a nurse was noted as concluding, quote, 179 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:20,680 I was unable to identify evidence that he lacked mental capacity. Okay. So they're not thinking 180 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:25,880 that he's mentally ill, or at least not mentally ill enough. To where, yeah, to where he's gonna 181 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:31,480 hurt someone or something or himself. Later on, and this is just relative to this visit to the 182 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,400 police station, a few months later, he had actually admitted to having been smoking weed since he 183 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:40,600 was 18 and occasionally taking mushrooms and doing cocaine. But of course, he recognized that they 184 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:46,120 were all negatively affecting his mental health. So apparently he sees use, but he had, when talking 185 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:50,120 about this visit, he had mentioned that later. Yeah, he said that he had dabbled in drugs, 186 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:55,400 but he knew it wasn't healthy for him mentally. So he stopped doing it. But he didn't tell the police 187 00:16:55,400 --> 00:17:01,480 during the talk. I mean, seems like he has a pretty good understanding of what's going on mentally. But 188 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:06,920 it also seems like he has a pretty good understanding of what will get him out of treatment. Yeah, 189 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,960 at this point. While he was still detained, again, this is his first arrest, his mother Jill actually 190 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:17,400 called the police station and asked them if they could keep him detained, because one, he was severely 191 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,000 mentally ill and two, he had nowhere else to go because he was living on the street. 192 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,240 Having their hands tied, the police charged Alexander with burglary and causing damage to the 193 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,880 cell that he had been kept in, but he was released in the early hours of February 9th, 194 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:35,400 the next morning, and taken to a homeless shelter called the Freedom Center. Okay, so they charged 195 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,960 him with burglary causing damage, but they couldn't hold him. Let him go. They just gave him like a 196 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,720 little ticket, like a slap on the wrist. Yeah. All right, have a nice day. So they dropped him off 197 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,880 at the Freedom Center where he had agreed to spend the night there, but he ended up leaving just 198 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:54,040 two and a half hours later. Manager Andrew Gammon talked to Alexander who said he would now like 199 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:59,000 to be known as Albie, remember I told you earlier he wanted to be known as Albie. He completed the 200 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:04,040 forms to stay the night, but he wouldn't go to sleep. And instead he was noted as using the 201 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:08,200 computer to access Facebook and then chatting with Andrew in his office, you know, just for the 202 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:13,800 first part that he was there. Okay. Shortly after the police left, however, he began behaving 203 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:19,480 erratically. It's almost like he can turn it off when he's in the police line of sight and then 204 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:24,680 when they leave, it doesn't matter, you know. I wonder if there's like a recognition in his 205 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:30,280 brain for authority. Oh, sure there is. And that's what's interesting about it is that it's kind of, 206 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,640 like you said, it's almost like he can turn it on and off, which of course we're not saying you can 207 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:43,640 turn on and off your disorders, especially schizophrenia, but his brain somehow recognizes 208 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:49,320 it's interesting. I'm in a position to where like I have to listen to this authority figure and 209 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,880 pay attention, you know, like your brain's like pay attention, pay attention. And then when you 210 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,440 don't have that anymore, then it's like, okay, go ahead, you know, it seems like it's almost 211 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:04,360 subconscious. Like he's not even trying to act differently in front of them, but he is. Right, 212 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:10,200 yeah, exactly. It's very interesting. So he's still at the homeless shelter. This is when he 213 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:16,200 began behaving erratically after the police left and he was noted as spitting at newspapers, 214 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,520 talking about getting a gun and threatening to kill the staff members on duty at the time. 215 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,680 Okay, so that's when you need to call again and say, okay, well, this is happening now. 216 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,680 It wasn't happening earlier, now it's happening. Yeah, he even told the manager that he could get a 217 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:33,320 gun saying he could lay his hands on a 410 shotgun. I'm not sure what kind of, I mean, 218 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,080 obviously a shotgun, but 410 shotgun I've never heard of. No, no, no, no, no, 410 shotgun. 219 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:43,640 Pretty much he was like explaining how he could get a hold of this gun. The manager was later 220 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,760 noted as saying, quote, he threatened to kill me and threatened to kill my cats, even though I don't 221 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:57,960 have cats. Sorry, that quote is just kind of funny. And your little dog too. Like pretty much, you know. 222 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:06,280 At this time, Alexander picked up his belongings and just left. Now, just seven hours later, 223 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:11,800 after this whole incident, Alexander made his way to Silver Spring Farm in Goodlee, only two 224 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:18,440 miles away, where he was spotted by the woman of the farm, wife of John Ellis, I didn't get her name, 225 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,840 but John Ellis and his wife lived at this farm. And he was spotted by the wife letting their 226 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,720 alpacas out of the gate, you know, his MO. Just close it. He's just a freedom fighter. Yeah, 227 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:33,560 I love it. She told her husband, John, what was happening. And John came out to approach Alexander, 228 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:40,680 of course. Alexander was holding a four foot double hand saw in one hand and a wooden pole in the other. 229 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:46,920 Mr. Ellis noted, once John Ellis got close enough, Alexander began swinging both weapons at him, 230 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:52,360 attempting to wound or kill him. Wow. Mr. Ellis ran back towards the house. But as he did, 231 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:57,800 he was hit with the flat side of the saw on the back on his back. And he was later noted as saying, 232 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:03,080 he was right behind me. That's a quote. Mr. Ellis got behind a gate and tried to shut it behind him. 233 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:08,520 At this point, Alexander jabbed Mr. Ellis in the chest with this wooden stick. The stick broke 234 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:14,280 as Mr. Ellis grabbed like the larger end. He managed to fight Alexander off until the saw 235 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,680 handle broke and then he backed away. At this point, it seemed as though Mr. Ellis was out of 236 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:24,680 danger, but not without suffering a really bad cut on his arm from the saw. So he was fine. Alexander 237 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,560 pretty much backed off at that point, but Mr. Ellis was clearly wounded. So now he is actively 238 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,880 being violent towards people. Yes. I do have a couple of quotes about what happened from John 239 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:39,880 Ellis's standpoint. standpoint. Point of view. Yeah. So I do have a couple of quotes that John 240 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:45,320 Ellis was later noted as saying. He said, quote, I saw him holding a saw and he started to approach 241 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:51,320 me. He was verbally abusing both my wife and I. I can't remember what he said because I was aware 242 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,960 he was holding the saw coming towards me and swinging it. I told my wife to phone the police 243 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:02,120 now and she ran back. The male was swinging the saw around as I was backing away. He also stated, 244 00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:07,000 quote, he got very close to the point where the saw was head height. I saw the blade coming towards 245 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,640 me and I thought this isn't good. I instinctively put my hand up as I thought he was going to have 246 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:17,400 my head or cut my throat. Lastly, John Ellis was noted as saying, quote, he asked me if I was a 247 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:23,560 pedophile. He seemed quite well educated and seemed calm and collected. So now we're going back to 248 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:29,560 the magazine cover where he noted that he thought Charlotte was taken by a pedophile ring. So it 249 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,200 seems as though he's targeting this man because he thinks that he might be holding Charlotte. 250 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:39,800 Or a part of the pedophile ring or whatever. That's a really scary account though, to know that 251 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:46,120 like, I mean, he was purposely swinging that trying to do damage. It's not like he was just doing it 252 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:51,400 feeling like he was defending himself or something or to scare him. Yeah. Following this attack, 253 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,520 Alexander was arrested yet again on assault charges. So the police had asked what hospital he had been 254 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,400 treated at and he said, quote, the White House hospital and whatever they want to pump fuck you 255 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,960 with. So I guess like they like pump fuck you like the IV maybe they want to put drugs in your 256 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:12,600 system. They also asked if he was taking medication at the time and he responded with, quote, I would 257 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:20,120 not mind blasting a big in or two is what he said. Like I wouldn't mind taking like a big pill or two 258 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:26,840 or like a big I don't know like getting high. I guess. Yeah. Alexander also noted that he had made 259 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:32,520 suicide attempts in the past but did not want to do that anymore. And lastly, he was noted as saying 260 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,760 that he would like to see a custody health care professional and a mental health liaison and 261 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:42,600 diversion worker, which is awesome, right? Yeah. He's taking steps to get himself some help. Again, 262 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:49,640 I feel like he's very aware of his disorder. Yeah. And we'll see that a lot. He has so many chances 263 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,440 to get help. It's almost like an Andre Thomas. Yeah. So essentially during this visit, police 264 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:59,640 main focus was to get Alexander assessed by a mental health professional. They said that sometime 265 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:05,080 during this visit, he would agree to cooperate only to withdraw and make accusations of abuse. 266 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,880 His mental health state had clearly deteriorated since the first arrest. At one point, he claimed 267 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,800 that he had, quote, lost his unicorn. I don't know what that means. Maybe his Charlotte. 268 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:20,600 Maybe Charlotte's unicorn. Maybe. I didn't even think about that. Now get this. During this same 269 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:27,880 visit, Alexander was noted as acting violently and somehow he managed to get a taser off of the 270 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:34,280 belt of a nearby officer. He just snatched it right out of his freaking belt. Thankfully, before he 271 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:39,560 was able to discharge it, he was tackled and subdued. Once in his cell, he was noted as urinating 272 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:45,320 on the floor and it was at this point that they decided to call a doctor. After all of that. 273 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:50,680 They've had it. Yeah. Nothing was actually noted or written from the doctor's evaluation of him, 274 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:56,760 but that afternoon, he spoke on the phone with mental health liaison and diversion for 12 whole 275 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:02,680 minutes. And the assassin. He got to talk to them for 12 whole minutes on the phone. From the call, 276 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:08,840 it was reported, quote, potential psychotic symptoms present, including paranoid beliefs, 277 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:14,040 including thinking that food has been tampered with, that I had stolen his food. He believes I 278 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:19,000 am stopping him from carrying out his duty of care, which is to protect all animals and sentient 279 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:26,680 beings in the universe. It's very sad, but that's very clearly schizophrenia. Yeah. I mean, 280 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:36,760 it's a sweet sentiment, but clearly it's a delusion. And it's escalated so hard. Now, police 281 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,960 were noted as saying that the difficulty with this visit was getting a mental health doctor to 282 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:47,400 see him in person. I don't know if there was some sort of conflict of interest because he was in a 283 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,280 police station and he had been violent. The mental health professional said that they could not attend, 284 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:59,480 quote, due to the timeframe, which I'm not sure what that means if maybe it was too late in the 285 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:05,640 day or maybe he had not been held for a proper amount of time to be evaluated. I don't know. 286 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,520 That's all it said, due to the timeframe. Okay, this is what tells me there's something going on 287 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:16,760 here. As well as that the on duty approved mental health professional said they couldn't come until 288 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:23,320 he had been assessed in person by someone else. But they're the mental health, they're the approved 289 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:29,480 on duty mental health evaluator. And they said that he needed to be evaluated by somebody else. 290 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:35,320 Yes. It literally makes no sense. It was almost like the like the fucking Pope. I don't know 291 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:42,120 what to say. Honestly, he needs an exorcism first. It really honestly kind of seems to me as of a 292 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:47,240 case of like, not my animals, not my zoo kind of thing. Like not my circus, not my monkeys. Yeah, 293 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:54,440 like kind of turned the other way and it would go away. Yeah. So at this point, their only hope to 294 00:26:54,440 --> 00:27:01,080 get him examined is a forensic medical examiner that was able to get called in. Okay. This is one 295 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:09,080 Dr. Pichu. So Pichu spoke with Alexander in person for an entire 19 minutes, and then concluded that 296 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:14,040 he did not need a full mental health assessment, which would have meant a transfer to the hospital. 297 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:19,800 He later was noted in the trial as telling the court that this was not fully his decision and it 298 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:28,360 was made only after a phone consultation, which no. What? What is going on? People don't care to 299 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:35,400 help him. Like, that's so sad. On the basis of this crucial decision by the doctor, police decided 300 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:42,680 Alexander was safe to release. To release, not even keep? Nope, release. Oh, he's fine. Let him go. 301 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,800 He's a little crazy. Yeah. I'm just gonna go ahead and just let him go. Yeah. On top of this, 302 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:54,040 an inspector, so a detective, reviewed his file and all he was noted as writing was that Alexander 303 00:27:54,040 --> 00:28:00,920 quote, potentially presents as a serious risk to the public if released. Wait, the forensic guy? 304 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,800 Oh, this is a detective. This isn't even a psychiatrist or a doctor. This is a detective 305 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,760 that's like, hey, bro, like, no, do not release him. He could potentially be caused a serious 306 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,960 fight. Okay. Okay. And everyone else is like, go ahead. There's only so much that he can do, 307 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,320 right? Because I mean, he does his job by saying something. Yeah. And it's these other people's 308 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:28,840 jobs to enact those things. And evaluate efficiently. Additionally, John Ellis, the guy from the farm, 309 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,720 phoned police and similarly to Alexander's mother asked if the police would keep him in custody 310 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,600 because he was afraid that he would still be in danger pending Alexander's release. It's worth 311 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,320 noting just in case you haven't been able to keep count during these two different periods of 312 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,960 detainment he was seen or at least talked to by five different mental health professionals, 313 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:53,240 none of which did a full mental health assessment. Oh my God. And they all deemed him as not acutely 314 00:28:53,240 --> 00:29:03,720 unwell. Not acutely unwell. Like that's a bunch of oxymoron. Yeah. He's not not suffering from 315 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:09,240 something. But he's just not suffering. Yeah, literally. So at this point, it's like, okay, 316 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,080 do we release him? Do we not? There's a bunch of different accounts here. It was at this time that 317 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,880 the police decided to contact the Crown Prosecution Service. Okay. So pretty much they would make 318 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,440 the final decision on whether or not to release him. Okay. And they contacted them about the attack 319 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:27,800 on John Ellis, to which they replied saying there was not enough evidence for Alexander to be charged 320 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:35,960 with anything. Even though he cut Mr. Ellis with a saw. With a saw. On his own property. On his 321 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:42,680 property. Yeah. After letting out his animals. Trying to spear him with a stick or whatever. 322 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:48,440 2019. So there's probably cameras out there that can show you this. CCTV everywhere. Literally. 323 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:55,640 Especially in the UK. Yeah. So at 9 32 a.m. on February 10th, Alexander was released. 324 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:03,160 By 11 a.m. on the same day. Oh no. Determined to find and rescue Charlotte. He made plans to 325 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,320 track her down. Remember, this is going back to the magazine. Yeah. He thinks she's been held captive 326 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:14,200 for 24 years. Right. He was convinced. Which is only 24. Probably. Sorry. He was convinced that 327 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:19,080 the man living in the home that he decided to travel to had captured and held Charlotte hostage. 328 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:25,240 Not. Not. Not John Ellis. Different. Different gentlemen. Well, don't. 329 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:31,960 Sigh of relief just yet. Before taking off, he was noted as visiting a local market. 330 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:37,160 Or he ends up having to be escorted out due to claims by Alexander that the cashier was 331 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:43,320 a victim of abuse. So he saw the cashier back there and delusions told him that she was being 332 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,640 held hostage. Oh no. Seems like he's such a compassionate person. Right. He really just 333 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:53,960 wants to help. It's really sad. But it's delusional. So he began to make his way to exit her. This is 334 00:30:53,960 --> 00:31:00,920 where the crimes take place. In order to get there, he hopped in a taxi driven by one Johnson 335 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,800 Joseph for the first stretch of his journey. Okay. He offered the driver a hundred euro note, 336 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:11,160 which is about like a hundred and ten dollars. Okay. US dollars. And managed to get only about 337 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:16,120 24 miles away when the taxi driver kicked him out because he was becoming concerned about his 338 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:21,800 behavior. Okay. So he had, I feel like 24 miles is still a bit of a drive. Quite a bit of a drive. 339 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,520 When he had gotten in the taxi, he actually hopped in the front seat, which is not what you do in 340 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,880 a taxi. Maybe an Uber, but not in a taxi. Yeah. The taxi driver later recalled, quote, 341 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:37,000 he came across as some sort of mental health patient and quote, I just knew he was going to 342 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:43,240 do harm. He made me feel very scared. Quote, before reaching cobblestone, he asked me to turn off down 343 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:48,840 a lane. I asked him why. And he said, just drive down the lane. According to the taxi driver, 344 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,480 Alexander then grabbed some rosary beads from the mirror. I guess they were hanging here on the 345 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,680 Ruby mirror and started to tug at them with his fist clenched. So he was kind of like pulling on 346 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:05,160 them. Kind of like tightening them. He then jumped into the back seat and sat right behind the driver. 347 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:13,960 Very eerie, right? Oh my God. That's so... The driver said, quote, this made me feel very scared 348 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,520 as I thought he was going to strangle me with it. Yeah. So he kicked him out of the taxi. Yeah. 349 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:24,360 Taxi driver was fine. And give me my necklace. Yeah. So no longer having access to the taxi, 350 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:29,800 of course, Alexander then boarded a bus and headed the last 12 miles he had to go to Exeter. 351 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,440 Once he reached the city, he actually got into an argument with a GWR worker, the Great Western 352 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:42,600 Railway, at St. David's station. He accused a different taxi driver of trying to abduct a woman 353 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,240 who was getting into a taxi. Okay. When the train worker said it was very clear that the woman was 354 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:53,240 fine and just a passenger, Alexander got aggressive. He told the station worker to quote, fuck off, 355 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,720 and then walked away. I don't know what it meant by he got aggressive, but maybe verbally aggressive. 356 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:04,760 Yeah. Yeah. So everyone's fine so far. He then walked the 350 yards down Bonnet Road, 357 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:11,960 I told you earlier, and reached 65 Bonnet Road. This is the address. So, okay, sorry. So from the 358 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,120 beginning, because I want to make sure that's clear in my head, from the beginning, did he know 359 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:21,400 where this house was? Yes. I have no idea what... How he came across it originally. Yeah. No idea 360 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:27,640 how he got the address. Yeah. Maybe, I don't know. This is the address that he explains later. It just 361 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,520 popped in his head pretty much. Like, I don't know. Maybe he had been in that area before and didn't 362 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,840 know. Maybe he had family that I don't know. I literally have no idea. He heard about it somewhere. 363 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:42,600 Yes. Okay. So, as I was doing research, I came across pretty much a direct quote from him about 364 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:48,360 this entire account. Okay. So I'm going to tell you what's happening, but I'm also going to explain 365 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,520 it in his words kind of side by side, and of course, I'll say quote when it's him and I won't when it's 366 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:59,240 me. Okay. So, he just started walking down the road and he reached this specific address. He later 367 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:05,000 said, quote, I remember thinking I was working for the police. It's really confusing. They're all 368 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,800 linked. They're jumbled. When I left the train station, I thought the police were with me, 369 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,680 following me. I thought the moment they knew what I was doing and that I was helping them find the 370 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:20,680 girl, it's like I'm an investigator, a finder, he said, quote, I guess like a search dog, 371 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:25,320 I was trying to find the missing girl for them. I can't remember her name, but I saw her in a 372 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,360 magazine. So now he is not thinking it's Charlotte. Now he's worried about this girl that is actually 373 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:36,360 missing that he saw in the magazine. Okay. Okay. He says, quote, she'd been missing for about 25 374 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:43,080 years. I was just following my nose, following what I came across. I was on a wander. It was 375 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,720 anything. It was sort of like the path of least resistance. I knew there would be a path that 376 00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:53,720 would take me there. This is the end of the quote. Okay. So when he arrived at 65 Monet Road, 377 00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:59,080 he was met with a note on the front door. The note explained that the man that occupied the 378 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:06,200 living quarters was in fact an 80 year old elderly man named Anthony Payne. So the note on the door 379 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:12,120 was saying that, okay, so he was elderly. So is it like, because I've seen those before where 380 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:17,800 they have like notes on a door that says like knock very loudly or things like that? Yes. I think it 381 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:24,120 was something like that. It seems to me as if this was like a small little tight knit community. 382 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:29,400 And maybe it was a, you know, if there's a delivery or if like maybe something happens and police come 383 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,400 or whatever, just so that you know what you're walking into. Or if someone doesn't answer you, 384 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,440 then you know it's probably because he can't hear you or whatever. Yeah. I think it was just one of 385 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:42,840 those things. Now content warning for this next part. After reaching the door, Alexander proceeded 386 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:48,520 to go inside and proceeded to bludgeon Anthony Payne with a hammer. What? With a hammer? Did he 387 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,040 already have the hammer or he found a hammer? You know, it didn't say, I think he found the hammer 388 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,040 inside. Okay. I don't think that he was just walking down the street with a hammer. I don't know. 389 00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,560 Alexander's personal account of this murder is as follows. Okay. Quote, I was walking down the 390 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:07,640 street and I went to a house. There was a sign on the door about a man and a cat, something like that, 391 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:13,080 which makes me think pause, unquote, makes me think that maybe they were saying this man is 80 and 392 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,920 there's also a cat in here. So maybe check on him or if he doesn't answer, like maybe check on the 393 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,000 cat, you know, like there's a living, there's an animal in here too, just in case something happens. 394 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,320 Well, and then, you know, but again, what if there's a fire or what if, you know, whatever, 395 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,600 then, you know, it says, you know, these two occupants live here. Exactly. Back to the quote, 396 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,320 I wanted to talk to the man, but then I saw an outline of a dead dog on the carpet. 397 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,600 Unquote. This is very clearly a delusion. This was not actually happening. Yeah. 398 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,960 You should see nobody could see my eyes, but I was like, what? 399 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:52,040 They didn't talk about the dog on the note. Quote, it looked derelict like nobody would be in. 400 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:57,000 It looked like the sort of place someone could be hidden and nobody would know. I thought the girl 401 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:03,080 might be there at first. He came downstairs. He was drinking cider. I don't know why I added that in. 402 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:09,320 I hit him in the head with a hammer. Quote, he had a selection of knives and scissors out in a ring. 403 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:15,160 At least I remember it being a ring. I knew he was using them to torture the girl. I also saw a 404 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:20,280 really old birth certificate and thought it was hers and he was keeping it as a souvenir. At this 405 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,320 point, I didn't really ask him any questions as far as I remember. I just lashed out. I was worried 406 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,240 about the girl being tortured when he wouldn't answer my questions. I didn't think I would kill 407 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:34,200 him and then I did. This is still a quote. I believed they were keeping people prisoner like 408 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:40,680 Fred and Rose West. There's a connection between Kent and Scurry, Shipman and Glaucaster, and Torquay 409 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:47,640 and police in U-Tree. Then I left. He died. There was no arguing I didn't mean to kill him. I didn't 410 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:53,320 know what I wanted. I wanted him to stop doing what he was doing to stop the abuse. Someone had 411 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:59,880 taken my mobile so I had no means to call for help so I had to stop him. He goes on. Quote, 412 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,520 the main thing was to stop the girl being abused. That's what I was thinking about. He needed to be 413 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:10,360 out of the way so I could get her. End quote. It's a long account of this one murder. So, 414 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:19,160 I mean, when he talks about the cider and like maybe seeing a deceased dog and I mean, 415 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,440 Cooley was watching him. He was watching him through a window or something. 416 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,520 Well, he said he saw all these things when he walked in. I guess the man had been upstairs so 417 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,720 when he got in it took them a little bit to come downstairs so he's seeing all these things. 418 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:33,080 He said that he was drinking cider. The man was drinking cider. Yeah, but how did he know? 419 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:39,640 As he was walking downstairs. Oh, okay. It's just, the thing is is that he's saying all these very 420 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,840 specific things. You can almost see his mind working as he walks in and he's noticing these 421 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,520 little things and he says, he was drinking cider. I don't know why I even put that in there. And 422 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:53,560 you can see kind of his account and then he's like, you know, I knew what I was doing but I was 423 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,440 doing it for this reason. Yeah. That shows the delusions. The imagery is pretty incredible. 424 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:03,960 Yeah. And that's someone that experienced it, came out of it and I'm assuming by the time that 425 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:11,720 these quotes are happening that maybe he's gotten clarity or help at that point and but the fact 426 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:17,960 that he still remembers it so vividly. Yeah. Is incredible because his brain told him, 427 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,400 this is reality. Yeah. And it's just like, you know, like, oh, yesterday I went to the store 428 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,960 and I had bloody ball for breakfast and I did it and like, that's what my brain showed me. 429 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:33,400 That's what I did. And then he remembers it so clearly. It's really compelling to the disorder 430 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:39,080 and how real it can be and how real it can make you feel it is, you know, when you're experiencing it. 431 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,000 And that's why I thought it was important to put all of those direct quotes in there because they 432 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:49,640 really show the disorder working, you know, or working against the host. Now, after this happened, 433 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,520 his delusions had convinced him that there were still more people involved in this quote, 434 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:59,400 pedophile ring. And he thought that there was an underground bunker that linked the next 435 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,320 address to the cellar in which this girl was being kept. Okay. This is his delusion. 436 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,840 Alexander's words again, quote, I checked the whole house after I killed that man, 437 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:14,280 but I couldn't find anything. So I left and went around town for a bit then. Somehow I went to the 438 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:20,040 other house. I walked. I don't know what led me a feeling. I was trying to get to Halden Hill. 439 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,920 I thought I would go to the racehorse to meet my mom. For some reason, when I get unwell, 440 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:31,000 I'm attracted to horses. There's something in my subconscious end quote. So he begins 441 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,840 searching for this new address where he believes that people, people who ever 442 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:40,840 lives in the house is a part of this pedophile ring. Alexander walked into the city center. 443 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:46,520 His route was wayward and included him stopping at the University of Exeter and St. David's 444 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:52,760 churchyard. This is important because this shows how many bypassers saw him and he had 445 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:59,400 interactions with and encounters and nobody did anything to help. I'm sure if he bludgeoned Mr. 446 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,320 Payne, he would probably have blood on him. Yeah. When you think, yes. So wouldn't you think that 447 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:08,600 someone would call the police? Yeah. So like I said, he had a number of encounters along the way 448 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:14,680 with strangers. He asked a passerby called Richard McCullum for the keys to the church before 449 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:20,440 following him along the road all the while trying to hide from view against walls. So he's following 450 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:25,720 this man down a dark alley and when he turns around, he hides. Isn't that kind of scary? I'm 451 00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:29,720 sorry. It's kind of scary. I don't want to be like, oh, schizophrenic people are creepy. No, 452 00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:35,640 of course not. But this specific situation, that's, it's unnerving. Yeah. It's unnerving. And that 453 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,040 would make me uncomfortable. Yes. Mr. McCullum, of course, became concerned with this behavior and 454 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:47,240 sprinted off of the street on Drive and managed to lose Alexander. Just running. Keep in mind, 455 00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:53,080 this is the middle of the day. So it is because he left at 11am. I can think it's a couple hours. 456 00:41:53,080 --> 00:42:00,360 At 1.20pm, he was seen by staff at the university pretending to be a police officer. They were 457 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,960 so concerned by his behavior that he had to be escorted from the Northcott Theater. Escorted out. 458 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,800 Once in town, he stopped at the Farmers Union and made his way into Northern Haight Gardens. So he 459 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,920 just like got escorted out and then just left. Like no one decided to. Yeah. Probably just 460 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,960 think he had too much sauce or something. Along the way to the gardens, he struck up a conversation 461 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:27,720 with one Rose Poulton, who was walking with her boyfriend Tony. They became increasingly frightened 462 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:33,000 by the tone and questions Alexander were asking them, as they noted that he was extremely fixated 463 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,720 by their shoes, what was in their bag and their camera. So maybe they thought he was going to 464 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:44,040 rob them or yeah, he was clearly looking at their gear. Well, he's probably very suspicious of the 465 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:50,280 two of them. Yeah, you know, they felt the same way back. Yeah. So later, when speaking to police 466 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,640 about this encounter, Rose said, quote, I thought something was wrong. He gave me a bad feeling. 467 00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:01,960 It was his eyes. I can't explain why. End quote. So he apparently had shown the couple a piece of 468 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:08,120 paper, which said he said proved that he worked for the university. But Rose, after he left, 469 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:13,960 quickly called 999 after the encounter and spoke to police. She said, quote, I was crying and shaking 470 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:20,280 at this point, afraid he would turn violent and touch me. Alexander even followed the pair into 471 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,840 Pret a manager. It's like the name of a store. I guess it's like a business casual kind of shop 472 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,960 before leaving. Again, the reason I'm mentioning every single encounter, I really want to drive 473 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,960 the point home that this guy had so many people, I think I can count him and like he could have, 474 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,920 people really didn't seem to care or they were too scared to try to think maybe this guy needs 475 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:47,320 help. Yeah. Alexander recounts this part of his day, quote, I walked up through town. This is a 476 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:53,240 hazy patch. I remember I found another house. It was just by chance, a hunch. I was meant to find 477 00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:58,680 that house because it was linked. There was abuse happening there. A horse called sugar, 478 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:04,440 Tate and Lyle smile. They used to make the chimps grin. See, it all links with torture, 479 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:10,440 pedophiles and bestiality. Kind of out there with those words, right? It doesn't make a lot of sense, 480 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,320 at least to us. So less than three hours later, Alexander had been wandering around and had found 481 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,600 himself in the St. Thomas area of the city. This was only about two miles away from Anthony 482 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,720 Payne's house. Okay. And this is where twin brothers Dick and Roger Carter reside. Okay. Now, 483 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:30,440 Alexander grabbed a spade from the garden, which is like one of those like tiny shovels that you 484 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:36,280 used to dig. Hand held jibble. Yeah. And proceeded to enter the residence. Content warning. While 485 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:42,520 inside, Alexander beat both men to death with the shovel. His statement about these murders is as 486 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:47,560 follows. Quote, there was something about this house and the state of derelict it was in. He 487 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:53,880 used that word again. I just thought that was interesting. Me too. I, yeah. Quote, I saw it and 488 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,680 thought there could be a cellar basement or coal bunker where you could have someone without anyone 489 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,640 finding out. I started off thinking there could be a high chance the girl was in that house. 490 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,840 That's when I realized I needed to go in and rescue her. I went inside and saw the two men. 491 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,800 At first, I didn't say anything. I just went outside into the garden, looked around and 492 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:19,560 picked up a garden spade before going back inside. You know the rest. He followed with, quote, 493 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:25,160 I know saying it just now doesn't make sense. But at the time I was convinced I knew she was there. 494 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:30,360 I can see it's just completely deranged. Anyway, I was convinced that they had kept someone and her 495 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,240 life was in danger and that's when I hit them with a spade. I went upstairs and went through all 496 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:39,800 the rooms into the garden. I thought the police would come after I had left and they would search 497 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,280 it. I thought they would let people know I was working for them. I thought they would let people 498 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:50,280 know because I was saving the girl from torture. I was working for the police. End quote. Wow. 499 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:57,080 So he's really trying to drive the point home of I really, truly thought I was helping them and 500 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:02,600 doing their work. Well, and he had said at Mr. Payne's house that he felt like the police were 501 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:08,840 following him, that he was like, oh, I'm just going to run in like a hero and just help this girl 502 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:14,120 and they're going to back me up because he's clearly doing something to her. After the killings 503 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:19,720 of the twins, Alexander walked up Cowick Hill where he was spotted by multiple people and even 504 00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:24,600 walked up some driveways during his stroll. He mentioned that he stopped to stroke some horses, 505 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,520 which again, he said he did in his stressful time. Remember, he said that he might visit his mom. 506 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,800 He was thinking about visiting his mom at the horse, which I think was really sweet. He penned 507 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:37,880 some horses. He was noted as visiting three different pubs, Twisted Oak, the Huntsman Inn, 508 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:43,080 and the Poachers in the nearby city of Ide before retracting his steps and heading back into the 509 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:48,760 middle of the city. He was seen in several different pubs around town as well, two being the hole in 510 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:54,360 the wall and the standoff. I just thought the hole in the wall was a cool name. He spent the 511 00:46:54,360 --> 00:47:00,200 night in the ruins of the Exeter Castle where he claimed to, he himself claimed to be sleeping in a 512 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,920 bear pit where he could see the ghosts of the bears that had been killed in the past and were now 513 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:11,880 haunting the place. I know he loves animals so much. Just so many things going through his mind. 514 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:17,160 He also claimed to have been bitten by a snake during this time, but that was never confirmed. 515 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:23,800 It's not clear whether he slept or not, but the next time somebody encountered him, it was 5 a.m. 516 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,800 and he was not done with his violent streak. That's where we're going to stop. 517 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,600 Next in part two, we're going to talk about the end of his violent streak, 518 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:40,040 of course his capture and trial and all that. That's going to be a doozy. There's a lot of 519 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:46,040 information about that. In lieu of having a three hour long episode, we're going to do a two-parter. 520 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:49,560 I mean, of course, my heart goes out to the victims, 521 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:57,000 but it's like, oh my gosh, this poor guy. It's almost as if he's a victim of his disorder. 522 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:04,760 It's really heartbreaking. It's so sad. And especially to listen to his account of it. 523 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,440 Again, like I said, he's clearly an animal lover. He clearly has a lot of empathy and compassion. 524 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,880 He thinks he's doing the right thing. And it's all he wants to do is do the right thing. 525 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:23,320 Yeah, it's a really big bummer of a case. And we'll see how it pans out. But 526 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,520 it's one of those where you're like, God, nobody should, nobody had to die in that situation. 527 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:35,240 Nobody should have even been hurt, like even John Ellis. He had so many chances to get help. 528 00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:40,360 Even especially the first, what his mom called and was like, I know my son. He is very clearly 529 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:46,840 mentally ill. Do not release him or at least put him in a psychiatric ward or something. And this 530 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:53,320 is 2019. It's not like this is the 30s where you can't always say that. I thought we had progressed 531 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:58,440 enough in the mental health field. And it seems as if they did with that mental health act. But I 532 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,360 guess not enough to wear. Unless someone does something like this, they're not considered 533 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:11,480 mentally ill. I appreciate the law in that case. But at the same time, you still need people that 534 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:18,760 are active members of the mental health community to step up and say something and do something 535 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:23,880 about it. If you just have people that don't really care, then what use is the law? Yeah, 536 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:30,680 exactly. All right, well, we will see you guys for part two next time. And in the meantime, 537 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:39,000 you can follow us on Instagram at diagnosingakiller at twitter at killerdiagnosis. You can email us 538 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,600 diagnosingakiller at gmail.com. And if you want to donate to the Patreon, it is patreon.com 539 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,960 slash diagnosingakiller. Anything else? No, that's it. I think I got them all. Yeah. 540 00:49:49,960 --> 00:50:05,880 Yeah, all right. We'll talk once. Okay, love you. Bye.