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Oh, that was really loud, sorry.

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Are we good?

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Yeah, I think so.

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I'm just capturing all these moments and I, like, it's TV gold.

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Yes, it really is.

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It's so cool.

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Clark Finney, everyone.

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Clark Finney, everyone.

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Welcome, Clark.

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Oh my god, are we recording?

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Yes.

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Okay, that's my job.

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You can't go to prison in turn.

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We're recording her while she's recording us.

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I know.

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It's awesome.

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We get all of the back, the back feedback, you know.

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The background?

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I don't know what, I don't know what I'm trying to say.

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The background.

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Behind the scenes.

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I did not realize you guys had just started.

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You're just talking.

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You're talking like normal people.

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Oh my gosh.

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It's the best, because when we edit it in, when we edit it in, it's, it seems, yeah,

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it not just seems authentic, it is.

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This is what we do.

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You just threw a thousand dollar bracelet on the floor.

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Like, were those with charms?

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I have to ask her.

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That's Jane Daivry.

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Yeah, you want to see it?

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So sorry, wait, I want to see it.

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She's been collecting for so long.

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No, that's the most Texas thing wins.

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Oh, it's upside down.

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Let me see if I can, is this like milestones in your life?

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Oh my gosh.

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Okay, wait.

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Since we were kids, mom always gave us one when we were babies.

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Where does it start and where does it end?

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I mean, all over.

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They're all over.

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I see big sister.

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Who's big sis?

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I am.

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Emily got that for me.

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My sister-in-law.

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My gosh.

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Little sister.

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Definitely little sister.

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There's an age gap with us for, oh gosh, how do I say that?

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There's an eight year age difference between the two of us.

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There's a wine bottle in here?

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Let me some vino.

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Did you get to the water burger cup yet?

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I got to the water burger cup.

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That's the most Texas thing right there.

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Is there a good story behind this or is it just water burger because Texas?

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Because Texas is the best.

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Because Texas is the best.

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I used to have a pair of boots as well.

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They fell off.

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They fell off.

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I love cat mom.

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Cat mom.

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Cat mom is awesome.

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I mean, oh, there's a little heart at the end.

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That's from my mans.

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The mans is the mans.

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See, and it's on the bracelet now, so it's official official.

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So when you're done with it, just throw it on the ground.

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I know.

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Just toss it on the ground.

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Oh my gosh, that's so cute.

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Not my finest moment?

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No, it was fine.

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I think it was fine.

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Maybe not the finest, but it was fine.

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It was fine.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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Welcome back to Diagnosing a Killer.

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We're here with the kind of mental breakdown.

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Kind of mental breakdown?

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Kind of everywhere.

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Kind of Clark edition.

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Yeah.

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Hi.

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We're here with Clark Finney from the news.

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She's from the news, y'all.

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We're official.

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We told you guys we're going to be famous.

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Yes, true.

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That's, you've been saying it episode after episode.

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It's going to happen.

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They're like, kind of shut up.

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I was like, we got one Patreon.

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And I was like, that's me.

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We do have three now.

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It's me, her, and Frida, one of my classmates.

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Frida, shout out Frida.

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Thanks Frida.

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Yes.

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She's actually subscribed for more money than I do.

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I have a dollar.

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And I think Frida has five.

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Oh, you have five.

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Patreon where someone gave a dollar, they're like, hey, go get a nice one.

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So we do have a Patreon set up.

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So if you want to donate, we're trying to get merch out there for people.

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So it's patreon.com.

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Yes.

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Super cool.

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We also have Instagram.

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We also have email.

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We also have Twitter.

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Twitter.

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I love how you're staring at my camera.

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I'm talking on my phone.

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You're fine.

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I'm just with people.

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We're also talking to people out there.

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Yes.

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Through the power of sound.

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Yes.

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Coming from the TV world.

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I'm like, whoa.

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We're like on all platforms right now.

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We're all at the same time.

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Should we do a Facebook live at the same time?

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I don't have Facebook.

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I do.

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I'm like, whoa.

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I'm like, whoa.

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I'm like, whoa.

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I'm like, whoa.

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I'm like, whoa.

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That's funny.

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I saw Facebook.

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I do.

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I have Instagram live.

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You pretty cool.

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From my godmother's house.

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There is my Godmom's house.

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You guys are in closets.

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And I'm seating on the corner of her bed.

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There's Chevron above you and there's like Cheetah Bagus and it's a whole moment.

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It's the quietest place in the room.

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The closet is the easiest because there's no echo.

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We would usually have this door closed.

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We saw a track of V.O. in here.

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It's so nice.

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It's a makeshift soundproof room.

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Incredible.

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People spend thousands of dollars just trying to soundproof their rooms.

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I know.

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No, just go to J.C. Penny.

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A flash sale.

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That's all I need.

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Do we have Instagram live?

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We do.

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We have Instagram live.

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Let's do it.

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Let's see.

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Excuse me.

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Well, hello.

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We are in the middle of recording and being recorded.

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Clark.

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Yes.

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I think we should just like post this up somewhere.

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Yeah, I think so.

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I mean, we only have like six followers.

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Maybe we should share it.

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Do you think?

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I don't know.

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How do we do this?

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Oh, you can hear all of that in the mic.

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Yeah, it's just a lot of scratching.

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That's all right.

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I'll just...

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We're telling some followers.

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So there we go.

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We'll just keep it like this.

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Is it just looking at it?

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It's just getting...

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You're hitting that angle.

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There you go.

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You got it?

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Well, let's see.

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It's live.

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Yeah, it's live.

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Live and in picture.

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Does it save it on Instagram?

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I know nothing about it.

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There's a setting where you can save it.

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It's like, do you want to save this or throw it away forever?

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It goes to mine.

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The more you know.

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Well, because then you can post that same video on Twitter.

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I don't know anything about social media.

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We can definitely talk about some stuff.

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I mean, this is kind of like a...

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Diagnosing a Killer started a live video.

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So you guys listening are familiar...

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I didn't want to go to it.

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You what?

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You guys listening are familiar to...

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Or of the things that we do with our mental breakdown.

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But just in case there's anybody new listening, we do break down a specific diagnosis from

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the DSM-5 and prior.

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and symptoms, treatment options, if there's a cure or treatment, you know.

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and we definitely want to shed light on the fact that the sad reality is that mental health

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causes people to commit crimes.

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That's why we're here.

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I do think that the more opportunities we get to talk about mental disorders, mental

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illness and raise more awareness for that, the more opportunities we can come together

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as a community and really help and uplift people and focus on helping take care of those

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people with specific needs instead of just allowing them to...

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Not allowing.

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Instead of just having them be tossed to the wayside, you know, possibly end up in jail

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Even for small petty things, a lot of the times when we see these cases, it starts out

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with being arrested for a small amount of marijuana or breaking and entering petty crimes and

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they just get stuck in this cycle.

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And along with this, I would hope that there are more things towards prison reforms where

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you get people like psychologists and psychiatrists that go in there and evaluate these people

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more often than not.

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I mean, I don't remember what case we did.

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He's undecided.

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There was definitely other instances where people didn't get that evaluation until sometimes

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And then it's like, well, too late.

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Yeah, too little, too late, honestly.

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And one of the things I know that you wanted to mention, and I'll just say it now, is that

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we really try to be, of course, super respectful to the victims and their stories, also super

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respectful to the mental health part of the person of interest, if you will.

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We do not use words like crazy, insane, psycho.

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Those words mean a lot, and it really holds a lot of weight when you talk about mental

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health and mental illness.

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So we try to not use those words when we're specifically talking about the diagnosis or

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the disorder.

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Well, do you want to go a little bit?

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I mean, we can stop if we need to.

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No, you're good.

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I'm just soaking all in.

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Okay.

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You guys are amazing.

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I was like, mm-hmm.

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All right.

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Oh, I got a question.

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Hold the phone.

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You're literally holding the phone.

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That's hilarious.

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Hold the phone.

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I'm holding.

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You're holding the phone.

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Hey, Aubrey.

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She said, do you think if people were diagnosed with mental issues, it would slow the crime

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rate?

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Hmm.

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Hmm.

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I don't know.

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I think that people would be able to actually reach out and get the help that they need

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before their crime is worsened.

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Absolutely.

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I completely agree with you.

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I think that diagnosing somebody before they become a criminal or before they are able to

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do these charges or at least getting them the help that they need is really, if not

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preventative, at least helpful.

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For sure.

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To just at least know what you have on your hands because we saw it with Richard Trenton

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Chase and we saw it with Andre Thomas.

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They had, even Richard had the help that he needed and then it was skewed off by his mom

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that was like, you know what?

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He doesn't need medication and then this kind of avalanche, if you will, kind of happened.

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Even Todd Colhub, he had a lot of signs of being really aggressive towards other kids

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his own age and things like that.

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I feel like if a parent or a teacher had stepped in and kind of been like, okay, these are

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clearly warning signs of a troubled kid and what can we do to help him?

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Yeah.

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And that's a coping mechanism for him.

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Even at a young age, you know, it doesn't always have to be medication, but some type

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of a positive outlet like a sport or something like that that he could get involved in.

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And that's, I think, one of the reasons why we're so passionate about doing this and raising

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awareness for this is because people like teachers and first responders, people that

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are actively seeing or in a position where they can see these mental illnesses develop

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if you present themselves.

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Understanding that knowledge could be the difference between life or death for somebody

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else.

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Right, of course.

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Yeah.

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For sure.

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Yeah.

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And she said, for example, son of Sam, exactly.

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Mm-hmm.

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Arbor, you're dead on.

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Yeah.

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I'm like trying not to say stuff back here because I'm like...

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Please, no, please put your shoes on.

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It's so true though, and that's why this is powerful.

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And like I, I mean, I'm here, I'm doing a story on this because I'm so, you know, interested

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in true crime and that aspect where mental health isn't really talked about a lot and

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there can be like a lot of anger or people who are sensationalizing events that happen.

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They're really gruesome and affect families and real people in their lives.

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Yeah.

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And they don't really look at the, the chemical imbalances that someone might have suffered

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from a young age.

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And when you think about a child growing up and being involved in some kind of trauma,

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whether it's molestation or seeing violence in the household, things like that, people

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aren't thinking about the fact that you're chemically developing.

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Like your brain is forming at that age and you're constantly developing and you're so

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impressionable.

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And if you're affected by trauma, that affects your actual brain and how it develops.

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And like all based on science and research, so I'm not just spewing.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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And one of, one of the things that I don't remember what, which mental breaks on it was

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that we talked about when we were discussing a certain type of disorder.

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But you know, we, we often say, if you have a brain, you're capable of these things.

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Anyone with a brain is capable of these mental disorders.

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No one's immune.

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No one's immune to mental disorders.

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I mean, even if it's, you know, acute anxiety disorders that, that you only have for a few

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months, everybody experiences these, these types of disorders or at least can relate

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because we all have brains.

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Yeah.

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And that's why we, we frequently shed light on celebrities that are struggling with these

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specific type of disorders because we really want to showcase that it's not, and nobody

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is immune.

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Nobody is not susceptible to mental health.

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It can literally happen to anybody.

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And when you see somebody that's in the limelight, being able to live this full and magnificent

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life or so it seems on the outside, like that gives you hope that if you are struggling

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with the same disorder as them, it's not the end.

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I'll be all, you know, it's not the end of the world.

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And it's accessible and girl.

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Oh my gosh.

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When he said celebrities, we were on our show, we've talked a lot about Kanye and there's

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a period where we had to be really careful and, and I kind of changed my own outlook

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because at first you're like, Oh my God, we use that word Kanye, like he's kind of crazy

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and we're not sure and what's going on.

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Then it came out that he struggles with bipolar disorder, but he's chosen to be off of medication

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or the last time that he spoke about, he mentioned that.

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And it's very interesting because, you know, I just, I don't know how much I'm going to

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share like with my own personal experiences.

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But I have, you know, family history and when you hear that diagnosis and the fact that

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someone's choosing a different route than medication, they could be avoiding what comes

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with side effects.

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And I mean, there's just so much.

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And so being able to normalize and say, Hey, we're not the only ones like some of the most

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successful creative people have ADHD or ADHD.

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And that's what makes them beautiful.

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That's what makes them so successful and so create.

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Yeah.

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So to, I don't know, figuring out what needs to be treated and then what's like, well,

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this could be helped through therapy or better control certain things.

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But if you don't want to be on medication for this specific thing, you don't necessarily

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have to.

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I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was younger and I did medication probably through the

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latter half of elementary school and like some, a little bit of middle school.

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But I haven't been on medication since then.

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And I just come up with coping mechanisms.

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But yeah, like you had a point to that.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm like, I have ADD and then I literally just had ADD.

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You just expect.

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Yeah, you experienced it.

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First hand live authenticity.

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Speaking of live, I'm going to turn this live off.

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Okay.

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Bye.

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Love you.

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Bye.

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And I'm going to, and now I'm going to put, start live on Facebook because I have more

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people on Facebook that can actually watch it.

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Oh, I remember kind of what I was going to say.

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And I'll just stay off of Instagram.

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I know.

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It's so much.

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Yeah.

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And I need to clear my throat.

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Oh, we just did it.

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There's literally a blooper reel on one of the end of our episodes.

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I don't know if you got to that one, but it, it was a heavy one.

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It's a lot of just us clearing our throats.

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Yeah.

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Well, the episode was so heavy.

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We decided a little bit of lighthearted bloopers at the end and it's every other clip

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is us going, our coughing or clearing our throat.

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I did want to touch on, let me start this really quick.

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Sorry.

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Oh crap.

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It's not.

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Hello everyone.

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We are here actively recording our podcast.

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Say hello.

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And we are with Clark Finney.

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Hi.

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So I'm just going to put you guys up here.

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If you want to listen in.

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Just to piggyback off what we were kind of talking about as far as celebrities that we

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do like to reiterate that it does show the difference however between people that have

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healthcare availability and the money to be able to take care of themselves in that manner

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versus people that aren't able to take care of themselves or find resources.

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Yeah.

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And that's another reason why we like to do this is that we're showing not only that

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we struggle with certain disorders and diagnosis but that we want to raise awareness is really

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what it is.

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We really want to raise awareness to the people again and give people those resources.

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Open up a dialogue about what mental disorders are, what types of signs and symptoms you

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can see when talking about those things.

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Excuse me.

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You're good.

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Unfortunately, you see a lot of mental illness in the transient community and that's simply

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because people do not have resources like you said or healthcare.

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I think it is a crime to not give mental healthcare for free because again you said it perfectly

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earlier nobody is immune.

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They don't even give you mental health days at work.

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The job that I'm currently working at is the only place I have ever worked that actually

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takes mental health seriously and they will let you take a mental health day.

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Or they'll put you in a different position so you don't have to be in front of guests

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but you can still be working and making money.

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That's all you can ask for is someone to listen and someone to understand, not even understand

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but try to understand what you're feeling because when you're feeling, I mean me personally,

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when you're feeling anxiety or panic attack, it feels like there's nothing else that's

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ever going to happen.

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It's going to be my life forever and then I'm going to die.

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This is where you live now.

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Yeah, and it really does, it's consuming and it does feel like that.

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So somebody to reach out and say, you know what, hey, I hear you.

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Let's kind of decompress.

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We'll put you in a situation where you can still do your job and make money.

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So we're not sending you home but you don't have to be making more and using more anxiety

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by talking to guests.

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I just wish a lot more jobs gave support like that.

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Is it really, is it worth someone's mental health?

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No.

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To give them a day off?

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It's not.

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Or a few hours off?

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I mean, yes it is.

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I mean, no it's not.

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Yeah, I think it's, yeah.

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It totally is.

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I think that there's definitely some changes that need to be made.

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So I love talking about this kind of stuff.

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Absolutely.

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Because the more people that are aware and the more people that take action when it comes

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to those things and request those things, the more it's going to happen.

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And the less stigmatized it'll be.

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It won't be, oh, you're having anxiety or you have depression.

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Depression.

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Oh, God forbid.

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It'll be like, oh, hey, thanks for telling me.

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Let's go, let's do this.

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And then more people will get to know the tools and resources available to help others

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when they're feeling like that.

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Right, absolutely.

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I mean, you don't truly understand it unless you experience it.

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However, there's plenty of research and plenty of empathy to go around or sympathy at least

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to go around when it comes to that.

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You want to get into a little bit of mental breakdown?

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We can do a little bit of, yeah.

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Let me see here.

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I feel like I'm just spying on you.

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Oh, it's okay.

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A little bit.

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We have a very bright light.

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That was really powerful and so true.

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Thank you.

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Especially in the news industry.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I can hear Mary talking out there.

523
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I know.

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Well, this is all going to be, I think this is great content.

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I think this is all going to be probably posted.

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We're going to just go ahead and post this episode, probably not even edit it.

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Put it out there raw and real and authentic.

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Yeah, I kind of like it.

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It'll be a bonus to the bonus.

530
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:08,280
We've been getting so much better about our time when we're sitting in our closet and

531
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,040
recording that we very, I mean, correct me.

532
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,320
You're the one that does all the editing.

533
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,320
She does all the editing.

534
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,120
Yeah, I love that she gives me credit.

535
00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:18,120
Thank you.

536
00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:19,120
Yeah.

537
00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:21,640
Have you noticed that it's easier to edit now?

538
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:26,240
I feel like we hop in and we talk and we try to stay on track.

539
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,080
Yeah, but there's also, what the hell was, oh, your phone is vibrating.

540
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,080
It's like, it's like, it's vibrating.

541
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,080
That was really loud.

542
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:40,400
I was going to say, it's also, now that we have learned how to record, we stop talking

543
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,480
for a really long time and then I'll know it's coming in the editing because it'll be

544
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,880
like a whole three minutes of just nothing and I'm like, all right, just click through.

545
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:48,880
We'll have a break.

546
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,520
Time and space collides, a putty break.

547
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,000
We actually have been talking recently about putting out an episode with no editing at

548
00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,000
all.

549
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,000
I think this just might be the one.

550
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,000
It might just be this one.

551
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,920
I mean, this is all real.

552
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,320
You can hear me clearing my throat all the time.

553
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,360
Let me see.

554
00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:15,360
I don't know what I want to talk about.

555
00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:20,560
I just feel like my OCD notes are so bam, bam, bam, bam.

556
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:26,360
We don't have to jump right into it and give facts and stuff.

557
00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:27,680
Okay.

558
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:35,640
So I can do, what if we just do like little bullet points of certain cases or certain

559
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,960
mental breakdown, like mental breakdown topics.

560
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:39,960
Yeah.

561
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,800
If you listen to any episode, this is the one that'll entice you to go back and listen

562
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,080
to the other ones.

563
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,680
So let's talk about OCD and let's talk about obsessive compulsive disorder.

564
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:54,080
So the persistence of one or both of these behaviors may indicate OCD.

565
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,200
One would be the reoccurrent and persistent thoughts, urges or images that are experienced

566
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:04,240
at some point during the disturbance, described as intrusive, unwanted, and in most individuals

567
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,960
cause notable anxiety or distress.

568
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:13,040
The second criteria would be that the individual attempts to ignore or suppress such thoughts,

569
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:18,480
urges or images or to neutralize them in some thought or action that is done by performing

570
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,680
a compulsion.

571
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:27,640
So again, when we discuss this on our mental breakdown, we question whether or not if you

572
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,360
can have one without the other.

573
00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:30,480
Do you remember?

574
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,080
So if you have reoccurrent and persistent thoughts, urges or images that are experienced,

575
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:41,080
you might be able to just have that portion and it's still meet the criteria for OCD,

576
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:47,120
but it also may develop into the act, like performing the act, which would be the second

577
00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:48,720
half, which is the compulsion.

578
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:55,960
So you can have obsessive compulsive, well, obsessive thoughts and then the compulsion.

579
00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,440
So there's actually a very similar sounding mental illness.

580
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,440
The OCD is called OCPD.

581
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,520
I learned about it recently in my abnormal psychology class.

582
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,560
So OCD is exactly what you just described.

583
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,320
OCPD is obsessive compulsive personality disorder.

584
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:17,400
And the difference is that somebody that is struggling with OCD knows that their compulsions

585
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:22,200
are not normative, not normal, but not normative.

586
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,200
That's the compulsion.

587
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,700
They are aware of that.

588
00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:28,720
Somebody with obsessive compulsive personality disorder doesn't think there's anything going

589
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,720
on.

590
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,160
They just think that that's what they need to do to get by and that there's nothing wrong

591
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,160
with that.

592
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,280
I'll just say there's anything wrong with having either one of those disorders, but

593
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,880
that's the difference in the thought process.

594
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:47,880
I know this is something that not anybody else does, but I need to do it or no, you

595
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,400
guys are the ones that are wrong.

596
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,400
That's the difference.

597
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:56,160
And we also talked about also in this mental breakdown about good, fair or poor insight

598
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:02,000
into your own disorder and that a better insight into your disorder the more you learn about

599
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,960
it, the less likely you are to have those compulsions.

600
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,560
And this is the same thing with dissociative identity disorder.

601
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,160
It's a lot easier to manage that disorder and to treat and live with that disorder if

602
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,800
all of your identities are aware that you have the disorder.

603
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,160
But if there's one that's blocking it out or maybe nobody knows about it, it's very

604
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,960
hard to treat or even diagnose that disorder.

605
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,760
I told you in the mental breakdown about that one, it takes a total of not a total, but

606
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,680
an average of four incorrect diagnoses in order to diagnose someone properly with dissociative

607
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,040
identity disorder and it can take up to 11 years to get that diagnosis.

608
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,880
And it's simply because they don't show and they don't switch during appointments or during

609
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:41,880
therapy sessions.

610
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:47,080
And we also discussed in that mental breakdown that it's just such a highly stigmatized disorder

611
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,960
because people think that it's fake.

612
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,320
People even think that psychiatrists think that it's fake and they're just using it as

613
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,960
something like a bandaid to kind of diagnose someone.

614
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:03,720
It's medication and a lot of very well-known psychiatrists have come out and said, no,

615
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,400
this is an absolutely real, real diagnosis.

616
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,400
Mental disorder, yeah.

617
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,960
And so in the DSM class, exactly.

618
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:09,960
It was a real diagnosis.

619
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,280
There's a couple things in the DSM class that shouldn't be in there.

620
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,520
That one is good.

621
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,520
Just personal thoughts.

622
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,000
That's a personal thought.

623
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,840
Yeah, I thought that was really interesting.

624
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,840
Yeah.

625
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,320
Just a little tidbit about OCD there.

626
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,320
Yeah.

627
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,320
That's a good one.

628
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,120
I don't think that we've discussed, and I think that what we actually did discuss about

629
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:37,040
OCD as it relates to people that commit crimes is that usually if somebody that is a killer,

630
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:42,320
somebody that commits a crime is struggling with OCD, there's another diagnosis that out

631
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,720
shines OCD.

632
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:49,640
So OCD is not the forward presenting diagnosis, which is why they don't say, okay, this killer

633
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:50,640
had OCD.

634
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:55,760
They said, well, this killer may have had OCD, but they also had personality disorder or

635
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,000
schizophrenia, schizophrenia spectrum, and things like that.

636
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,520
So it's not, I think that's why we don't see it a lot in killers.

637
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,360
They're not like, oh, well, he had OCD and that's why he killed.

638
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:10,240
That's not the highlight of their diagnosis.

639
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,480
I thought I had that in my notes, but it turns out I didn't.

640
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:14,480
Okay.

641
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,840
So I don't know what I did with my notes.

642
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:25,440
I have my little notes on here though about the celebrities, which Maria Bamford was on

643
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,560
there, which I love Maria Bamford.

644
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,400
She's just like, she's my gal.

645
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,800
I love her.

646
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:32,800
Yeah.

647
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:39,280
And just talking a little bit about some cases that we've done, another type of diagnosis

648
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:46,800
that we've come across quite often is borderline personality disorder or antisocial personality

649
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,000
disorder, which I have the difference in my mind.

650
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,000
Yes.

651
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,120
Because I just got test over this to do it.

652
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:56,440
My final exam was a better note.

653
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,440
I'm making fanolings.

654
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,440
Yeah.

655
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:03,200
This one here is just like heavy breathing in the background while I listen to you.

656
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,600
So antisocial, antelua.

657
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,200
See this is where we have to edit things out because we do that.

658
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,040
Triple our words.

659
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,120
And then that's the blooper that was going, blah, blah, blah.

660
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:20,600
So antisocial personality disorder is classified as a personality disorder in which the person

661
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,000
has antisocial tendencies, of course, but they kind of retreat from every walks of life,

662
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:30,920
like school, work, relationships, but they, in turn, they also don't care.

663
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,960
So they don't care who they harm.

664
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:33,960
They don't have the ability.

665
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:34,960
They don't have the ability.

666
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:35,960
Yes.

667
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:36,960
They don't have the ability.

668
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,960
Yes.

669
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,240
The way that the disorder makes you think.

670
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,240
Presents itself.

671
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,240
Yeah.

672
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:48,840
It's not a kind of, of really caring for anything, you know, but it also comes with not having

673
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:54,760
any kind of remorse or guilt for things that harm others, which is where the, sometimes

674
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,960
there are killers that are diagnosed with this disorder.

675
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:03,280
And that's where they come in without the lack of empathy or the lack of sympathy.

676
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,360
That's part of that disorder.

677
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,720
Borderline personality disorder is a little bit different.

678
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:16,320
It's categorized by somebody that has intense fear of being either rejected or not loved,

679
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,840
and they're always trying to overcompensate for that.

680
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,760
They care too much is that's, that's the biggest thing of their diagnosis.

681
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,360
So they will purposefully stay in abusive relationships or toxic relationships because

682
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,960
they're so afraid of not being in a relationship or being with that person.

683
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:32,960
They usually engage.

684
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:33,960
It was Kristen Gilbert, right?

685
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,960
Kristen Gilbert was borderline.

686
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,360
I think she was, well, I think she might be narcissistic personality disorder, which is

687
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,360
a little different.

688
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,640
I think, but they kind of go hand in hand.

689
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,880
You can have more than one at once.

690
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:45,880
No, of course.

691
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,680
And that's what you talk about when you talk about like comorbidity and things like that.

692
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:50,680
Yeah, exactly.

693
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,160
And so another thing of borderline personality disorder is that people that are suffering

694
00:29:54,160 --> 00:30:01,080
from that usually engage in self-harming behaviors and toxic kind of rituals, if you

695
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:06,800
will, when they are trying to deal with, they talk negatively to themselves or they constantly

696
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:12,640
are judging themselves in the mirror and they have all these negative ideals, but they never

697
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,480
seem to be able to get out of a negative situation.

698
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,520
Does that make sense here?

699
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,520
Bong.

700
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:24,840
I thought Kristen Gilbert was anti-social personality disorder because she was so hardcore

701
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,520
with Glenn, remember?

702
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,520
Yeah.

703
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:35,720
So she told, she would fabricate her suicide attempts and things like that.

704
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:36,720
Yeah.

705
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,760
And she told, she had told one of her boyfriends that she had swallowed glass.

706
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:41,760
Scary.

707
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:49,240
Just for the, not for the attention, but to garner sympathy and sympathy from someone.

708
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:55,400
So that's why I thought maybe she was anti-so, I'm sorry, borderline because she never wanted

709
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,440
to let any boyfriend go.

710
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:04,360
She was, I don't want to say boy crazy, but you know, then she really hung her hat on

711
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,240
relationships for sure.

712
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,240
Absolutely.

713
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,240
Absolutely.

714
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,240
All right.

715
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,240
I'm going to turn this live off as we go.

716
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,240
Okay, bye.

717
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,240
I love you.

718
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,240
Bye.

719
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,240
Has a wave just gone.

720
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,240
Hello.

721
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,800
I'm going to find this to you somehow.

722
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,440
What was that on Facebook?

723
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,920
Oh, mom and Ronnie were watching.

724
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:22,920
Oh.

725
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:23,920
Okay.

726
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,040
I'm going to add that to my bracelet.

727
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,960
Next to your $1,000 bracelet.

728
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:28,960
One.

729
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:29,960
I don't know.

730
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:30,960
That was an estimate.

731
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:31,960
I don't know how much it actually is.

732
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:32,960
I don't know what those charms add up.

733
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:33,960
Yeah.

734
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:34,960
They really do, especially now.

735
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,400
I see women with the bracelets and I'm like, okay, I'm intimidated to even try to start

736
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,400
one.

737
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,400
It's like a commitment.

738
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,400
Those are all gifts.

739
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,400
It's like, I came for college.

740
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,400
You're interested in getting your first car.

741
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,400
Yeah.

742
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,880
I add that charm to your charm bracelet.

743
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:46,880
Yeah.

744
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:47,880
Yeah.

745
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:48,880
Absolutely.

746
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:49,880
Absolutely.

747
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,880
Do you have anything you want to add to the podcast?

748
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,520
I think we're about, I mean, what time is it?

749
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,160
We're 30 minutes into the podcast.

750
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,440
I'm saying, I don't know if we want to keep recording or if we...

751
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:58,440
Oh, my gosh, it's like 30 minutes?

752
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,440
Yeah.

753
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,440
We're 30 minutes into recording.

754
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,440
That's crazy.

755
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:07,040
Sometimes, yeah, I'll just, I'll say, what time are we at?

756
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,040
Yeah.

757
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,240
Because I'm almost towards the end of my case and she's like, I'm like an hour and 30 minutes.

758
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,160
I was like, oh my gosh, I've been in here for an hour and 30 minutes.

759
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,840
Your butt will fall asleep on these tie-shers.

760
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:16,840
Yeah.

761
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,000
Well, we usually record two episodes at once.

762
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,240
We'll record the entire case, which is usually about over an hour and then we'll immediately

763
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,000
record the mental breakdown so that we can just get everything out there and I'll have

764
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,680
plenty of time to edit.

765
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Yeah.

766
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,480
You guys are, we're exposing our secrets to you guys.

767
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,720
One of the things that we really pride ourselves on is that we don't tell each other what

768
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,000
we're doing.

769
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,360
So all of our reactions are genuine reactions.

770
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,360
Yeah.

771
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,840
Because you always get me.

772
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,840
Halfway through my case, you're always like, I remember this.

773
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:45,840
Oh, I know.

774
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:46,840
I'm like, dammit.

775
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,440
I'm signing new information because she doesn't need it.

776
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,440
She doesn't need it.

777
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,440
She knows everything.

778
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:59,440
The mental breakdown ones are a lot of, I don't know, fun, but they're interesting.

779
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,880
It gets the point to where when you start, you probably know, Clark.

780
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,960
Once you sink your teeth into something and you just try to dig and dig and dig and dig

781
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,080
and dig for forever, it's the best.

782
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,560
It feels so rewarding.

783
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,440
You learn so much new stuff.

784
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,080
Even with the cases, I'll start researching a case that I think I know inside out and,

785
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,080
whoa, I'm taking for a ride.

786
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,080
I'm like, hold on.

787
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,080
Hold on.

788
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,080
What?

789
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,080
I'm like, I'm going to stop.

790
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,080
The case might actually be incorrect.

791
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,080
Yeah.

792
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,080
Seriously.

793
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,080
Hold on.

794
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,080
He's in jail.

795
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,080
Yeah.

796
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,080
It's so fun.

797
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:39,360
And then just to, again, like to bring an aspect of just like giggling about things, you

798
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:46,280
know, and, but to also appreciate the seriousness in the content is like huge.

799
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,280
It's huge.

800
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:53,120
And one of the biggest things too that we wanted to do coming into this is, you know, of course,

801
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,360
let's be respectful to everybody's story deserves to be told.

802
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,160
Let's be respectful of that.

803
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,240
We'll be respectful of the crime that took place, but we're also going to be respectful

804
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,560
of this mental illness that has such power over people.

805
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:10,320
And we really want to hone in on, you know, I think I told you maybe off camera earlier

806
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,560
or off mic that, you know, people kind of gloss over when somebody I hear it on other

807
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,280
podcasts and not to mention anybody specifically, but I've heard it before.

808
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,000
And even on, you know, DateLine or any date line, I don't watch that.

809
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,000
20, 20, 20 hours.

810
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,000
Yeah.

811
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,040
Any true crime, you know, Netflix show or TV show, they always gloss over the mental

812
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,040
illness.

813
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,240
They say, well, he was schizophrenic, but which is not the correct way to say that.

814
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:35,640
But he was also a piece of shit.

815
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:36,640
So this and that and the other.

816
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,640
I'm like, no, sorry, I probably can't say that.

817
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:40,640
My bad.

818
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:41,640
I'd like a cute little.

819
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:42,640
And then just cute.

820
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:43,640
Let's do that.

821
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,640
Let's do that.

822
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:46,640
Yes.

823
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,400
Yeah, but it is true.

824
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,400
They gloss over it.

825
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:54,560
And it's like, no, you're missing the fact that the mental disorder could have caused

826
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,560
this, this crime to have occurred.

827
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,600
And you know, like, it's a story within that story.

828
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:01,600
Yeah.

829
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:02,600
And that's, yeah.

830
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,760
And that's a story that deserves to be told as well as the victim's story.

831
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,760
Yeah.

832
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,840
So we're not by any means saying that these people do not deserve to be held accountable

833
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:16,520
for what they're doing, we're also saying at the same time that, I mean, in certain instances,

834
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,640
I'll just say with Andre Thomas, I don't think he deserves to be on death row.

835
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,840
I completely agree with the fact he needs to be incarcerated, maybe in a mental health

836
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,840
unit to get the help that he needs.

837
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:31,480
But death row, I think it's a little harsh for Andre Thomas when he was clinically and

838
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,400
I, they, they tried the insanity defense with him and it didn't work.

839
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,880
He asked for help his whole life.

840
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,240
He asked for help.

841
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:42,080
And he never once received it.

842
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,400
And I mean, like blatantly ignored, like he went into a mental health clinic and they

843
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,960
told him, go to the ER if you're suicidal, they sent him away.

844
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,560
It's like, it literally gives me goosebumps.

845
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,480
That's so heartbreaking.

846
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,160
And he didn't go.

847
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,400
There was nobody there to escort him.

848
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,080
He says that he's going to harm himself, maybe others.

849
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,960
And they say, go to the ER if you think you're going to harm someone, because clearly you're

850
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:12,240
having an episode of some kind and instead of being escorted by professionals that do

851
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,840
that, he was turned away and he never saw help after that.

852
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,840
Because how many times can you ask?

853
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:18,840
Yeah.

854
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,800
And then in court, when they did finally get him in court, their defenses are, I'm sorry,

855
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:30,640
the prosecution's excuse, if you will, was that he induced psychosis by using drugs and

856
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:31,640
alcohol.

857
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,680
Like you can't induce a mental illness, but you could exasperate it.

858
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,240
But you can't induce a mental illness and you also need to take into consideration the

859
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:43,680
fact that he's using drugs and alcohol to try to suppress it.

860
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,680
It's a terrible case.

861
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:53,560
But you don't know because it exacerbated those symptoms that he already had.

862
00:36:53,560 --> 00:37:01,240
And you're especially someone like, I have a family member who is an alcoholic and they

863
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:03,240
don't realize it.

864
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:10,440
And it does, like, it can change your personality if you have a disorder already and you think,

865
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,440
oh, well, I'm numbing it because you want to escape the inside of your own mind.

866
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,400
And that's the only way that you know how to do it.

867
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,360
Or you were taught here, I can't pursue mental health help.

868
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,560
I can't go see a psychologist or a psychiatrist because you were taught to pray it away or

869
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:34,120
grew up in a culture, especially within black culture, I have a mixed family.

870
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,960
But it was very much like I know my grandmother would not support my family members in getting

871
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,440
help for mental health.

872
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,440
So that affected my parents and my aunts.

873
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,440
And turn effects you?

874
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:52,480
I'm a huge believer that alcohol and drug abuse is a symptom of a bigger issue.

875
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,480
Of course.

876
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,440
And most often that issue is trauma.

877
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:03,600
And so again, you know, there's one of our mental breakdowns is PTSD and the different

878
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,120
forms that trauma can take.

879
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,440
And that's a really big one for me.

880
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,440
Oh, of course.

881
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,440
Both of us.

882
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,440
For both of us.

883
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,880
Yeah, we both have, I mean, the biggest, I think, at least for me personally, I don't

884
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,040
want to speak for both of us.

885
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,960
But the biggest reason why I am advocating so hard for mental health is because of our

886
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,120
sister.

887
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,160
So we had another sister with us and she's no longer with us.

888
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,880
And she's just struggled, excuse me, with a lot of mental illness and it runs in our

889
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:31,880
family.

890
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,000
And I think that's why we're so passionate about it.

891
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,600
Because I don't want to see that happen to anybody else.

892
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,400
I want everybody to be able to get, and that's where all that compassion comes from, you

893
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,400
know, when, you know, when I'm with, you know, people, nobody close to me, but you know,

894
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,120
you hear people all the time, oh, that homeless guy is crazy.

895
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,520
You know, I'm like, no, you don't know that person.

896
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,520
You don't know their story.

897
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:55,000
Like, and also being on the street like that and being in survival mode where your body

898
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,360
and your mind reverts back to this fight or flight.

899
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:04,480
Like you, people don't realize that when you're in survival mode and you don't have a home

900
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,800
or a place where you feel sheltered or safe or like you can call your own, you're literally

901
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:09,800
out in the world.

902
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,280
I mean, you're staying up late at night.

903
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,920
You're maybe that high.

904
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,440
Yeah, circadian rhythms.

905
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,440
Yeah, yeah.

906
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:21,640
Everything circadian rhythm, which I mean, girl, the fact you guys are so I just, I was

907
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,640
going to say that same thing.

908
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,360
It's so true though, and people don't think about it.

909
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,280
And it's like, of course, you're going to look frazzled or, you know, a little out of

910
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,280
it.

911
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,280
Yeah.

912
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,800
That has been your life for a certain amount of time.

913
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,360
Yeah, I talk to myself when I do the dishes and I talk to myself all the time.

914
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:44,400
If I was standing, you know, on a corner at a bus stop and I happen to be talking to myself

915
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,560
or whatever, like, you don't, you don't know me.

916
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,560
You don't know them.

917
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,560
Yeah.

918
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,920
And I think the image is just like, it sounds so silly.

919
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,160
Like if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

920
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,160
But it's so true.

921
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,880
But I mean, you don't know what that person's dealing with mentally.

922
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:00,880
And yeah.

923
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:07,160
The best way that I've heard of explained, which is one of my professors, Dr. Combock,

924
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,800
she explained it to us in the beginning of our abnormal psychology class.

925
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:17,200
She wrote on the whiteboard a spectrum of IQ and 100 being in the middle.

926
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,560
She looked it up recently, 160 is the highest.

927
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,560
Yes.

928
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:21,560
Stephen Hawking was 160.

929
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,560
But she...

930
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,040
He set the standard.

931
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,040
Yeah.

932
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,120
So the spectrum of IQ, she had 100 in the middle.

933
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:33,160
She put a dash over here on the lower spectrum and a dash over here on the higher spectrum.

934
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:38,080
And she said, this person over here towards the lower spectrum, you would consider to

935
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,520
be abnormal or non-normative.

936
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,400
You would also consider this person over here to be abnormal and non-normative.

937
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,240
So what is not normal?

938
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:54,520
You would consider this person gifted and you would consider this person challenged.

939
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,240
And that's where the stigma comes from.

940
00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:58,240
Right.

941
00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:59,240
Wow.

942
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:00,240
Isn't that so powerful?

943
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:01,240
I have goosebumps.

944
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:07,160
Yeah, because you think about Stephen Hawking, I mean, even socially, there are certain

945
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:12,880
people who have, and I fully believe we all of course have different capacities socially,

946
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,960
emotionally, physically, but to see that comparison, you do think about that.

947
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,880
Like while some of the most intelligent people in the world, like doctors, surgeons, people

948
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:27,160
who dedicate their lives to helping others within that high capacity and their field,

949
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:32,640
sometimes don't have the best social skills or can't read a room or they communicate with

950
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,680
other people, might not be, you know, like the way that that person is used to being

951
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,600
communicated with and so they might come on a certain way when they don't intend it.

952
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,640
So it's like assuming somebody's unintelligent because they don't speak the same language

953
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:47,640
as you.

954
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:48,640
It's the same thing.

955
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,640
Right.

956
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,640
It's not that he's unintelligent, you just can't communicate with him.

957
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,640
It's not something about autism and it's so true because it's just this whole other

958
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:00,280
world and we have understanding and sensing things that you don't understand.

959
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,440
So it's trying to learn from, like how are you learning, how are you seeing this?

960
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,440
Yeah, exactly.

961
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,000
Honestly, there's some cases of autism, like it's, and I don't want to get in trouble

962
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,320
or whatever, but I think it's a gift because it's a different lens that you're able to

963
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,320
see the world through.

964
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,320
Absolutely.

965
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,320
I agree.

966
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,320
And learn how to respond in this different language.

967
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,800
If you don't want that in there, we don't.

968
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,800
It's okay.

969
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:20,800
Yeah.

970
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,680
But I mean, there's, yeah, there's organizations and nonprofits on kind of like, let's keep

971
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:32,480
an eye on them because we're speaking about this and trying to press kind of a culture

972
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,120
of awareness where people think, oh my gosh, we have to help these poor kids.

973
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,240
There are certain cases where yes, people may need extra help, but there's others where

974
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,440
it's like, no, there's a lot that we could be learning.

975
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,440
Yeah, of course.

976
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,440
They're actually highly intelligent.

977
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:45,680
And that goes for anybody.

978
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:46,680
Oh, for sure.

979
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:52,680
Any, even any mental illness, it goes, I mean, you could learn so much about the brain,

980
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:57,240
about everything, just from talking, having a conversation with somebody, especially somebody

981
00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:00,800
with DID or somebody that's on the schizophrenia spectrum.

982
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,760
That's, I feel like that's so interesting.

983
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,560
And as long as they're getting the treatment that they need and the help they need, like

984
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:07,680
that's all that matters.

985
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,040
And you can learn from that.

986
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,960
And everybody can look like it's such a widespread, the brain is like 8% discovered.

987
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,120
We don't know anything about the brain.

988
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,440
It's crazy because we have, we were born into our bodies.

989
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,520
Like we will never fully, people dedicate their whole lives, which I am thankful for

990
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,000
science and discovery and people investing resources.

991
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,480
But sometimes people will dedicate their whole lives into learning about this one thing.

992
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,080
Like I need to know about the brain or science or like how were we all created?

993
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,840
The big boom or was it what?

994
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,280
And almost obsessing over it.

995
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,240
And it's like, we will never know.

996
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:48,640
Like we have to be comfortable with understanding that there is universes and galaxies and there

997
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:53,040
are things that we are not meant to understand that we will never understand within our own

998
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,880
capacities, no matter how hard we try, because we're not meant to.

999
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,360
And that's like a whole other conversation.

1000
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,720
That's more like spirituality and everything.

1001
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:01,720
Like we are very human.

1002
00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:04,640
And so trying to better understand, great.

1003
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,480
But like there's also resources and help out there.

1004
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,480
People that have higher capacities for, I'm like taking over this whole conversation.

1005
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,480
No, we love this.

1006
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,480
This is so amazing.

1007
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,480
You're actively getting us listeners talking.

1008
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:24,200
But it's so, I don't know, it's so, it blows my mind that people can get obsessed or think,

1009
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,400
oh, that person, they don't need help.

1010
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,560
You shouldn't, counseling shouldn't be a thing like pray it away or whatever it is.

1011
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,320
And it's like the brain itself is so powerful.

1012
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,320
Yeah.

1013
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,160
And we're thinking chemicals that are so powerful.

1014
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,760
Like we will never fully understand this stuff that we just don't know.

1015
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,200
The way of thinking is evolving as well too.

1016
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,200
You know, especially with like the mental health stigma and the, you know, stereotypes,

1017
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:51,600
I feel like, at least for me personally, and this just might be my generation, but I feel

1018
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,120
like a lot more people are talking about it.

1019
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,120
It's not so like taboo, you know, to be mentally.

1020
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,880
I was going to say it gives me hope, but I said help.

1021
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:04,520
It gives me hope because like, I feel like this generation to me included, so I'm definitely

1022
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:09,720
a millennial in 28, but it's because of what we experienced with parents and grandparents

1023
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:10,720
who were not treated.

1024
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:11,720
Yeah.

1025
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:12,720
We're not getting help.

1026
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:13,720
Absolutely.

1027
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:17,280
And the trauma kind of like inspired us to be like, I don't want my kids to have to deal

1028
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,280
with this.

1029
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,280
Right.

1030
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,280
Like what can I do now?

1031
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,400
And it sucks because it's like you have to go through it and experience horrible things

1032
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,400
sometimes.

1033
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,400
Yeah.

1034
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,840
But then you come out on the other side and go, okay, I know exactly what not to do.

1035
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:29,840
For sure.

1036
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,120
And I think a lot of it is introspective as well.

1037
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:40,480
Like I feel like I know so much more about myself and my, you know, potential disorders

1038
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:46,040
and things like that, not that I've been diagnosed with anything other than ADD, but you see

1039
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:51,640
again, like those signs or those symptoms and you become aware of who you are as a person

1040
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,120
and then it's easier to connect with someone else because you might see a little bit of

1041
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,120
yourself in that person.

1042
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,120
Yeah.

1043
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,440
And you have a lot of compassion for that person.

1044
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,440
Yeah.

1045
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:01,440
I agree.

1046
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,920
I think I feel the same way introspectively.

1047
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:08,240
That's a good way of putting it because I mean, three years ago, or not, I would say

1048
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:12,920
probably seven years ago when I would experience anxiety, I had no idea what it was.

1049
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:18,960
Three years ago, I would freak out, freak out, freak out and say, there's no way I could

1050
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,400
be suffering from anything other than just anxiety.

1051
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,560
And now in my current state, now that I've gone through therapy and stuff, it's not far

1052
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,640
fetched to say that I could have PTSD.

1053
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,160
And that's just me talking with my therapist.

1054
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,960
But you think, and people have, I mean, even me, I'm not prone, I'm not immune to it.

1055
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,800
Like you have these ideas about what a diagnosis should look like and who it should be on.

1056
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,120
PTSD, a lot of people think is reserved for war veterans, which I'm not discounting the

1057
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:52,280
fact that a lot of veterans do suffer from PTSD, but you don't have to be in that specific

1058
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,280
situation.

1059
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,720
PTSD can be caused by anything, you know?

1060
00:46:55,720 --> 00:47:01,320
And so I think, and that actually helps me get through now, when I'm experiencing anxiety

1061
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,440
now, I tell myself, okay, it's just anxiety, it'll go away, it's not going to be forever,

1062
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,440
you know?

1063
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:07,560
And I wasn't able to do that.

1064
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,960
I mean, even a few months ago, I wasn't able to do that.

1065
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:17,040
And that's again, like when we talked about, you know, somebody's prognosis for maintaining

1066
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:23,720
more of a hold on their diagnosis and being able to like fully understand it, the better

1067
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:33,240
that you understand it, the more you can, like, that light.

1068
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:34,240
Yeah.

1069
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:35,240
So sorry.

1070
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:36,240
No, it's okay.

1071
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:42,160
But again, the better hold you have on your diagnosis or potential diagnosis, the more

1072
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,160
you're able to recognize it.

1073
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,680
And you, again, you can come up with coping mechanisms.

1074
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,040
Of course, listen to your doctor.

1075
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,680
Don't just like, come up with your own coping mechanism.

1076
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:59,880
If you have something that you're concerned about, please talk to the doctor.

1077
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:01,200
Everybody grieves and not grieves.

1078
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,760
Everybody deals with things differently.

1079
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,600
And so what might work for you might not work for someone else.

1080
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,600
Right.

1081
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:07,600
So.

1082
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:08,920
Okay, I'm about to get out of this chair.

1083
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,120
My butt is hurting.

1084
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,920
My Fitbit's yelling at me.

1085
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,520
It's like standing.

1086
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,760
Thank you so much for being here with us.

1087
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:17,760
Thank you so much, Clark.

1088
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:18,760
This is so fun.

1089
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,080
Is there anything you want to say to the camera or to the microphone?

1090
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,080
You have the camera.

1091
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,440
I just want to say I'm so impressed by you both.

1092
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:29,440
And this is so incredible.

1093
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,880
I wish that I had something like this when I was growing up, when I was younger, even

1094
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,440
though this is more like true crime oriented.

1095
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,680
These conversations are so important and to see that you guys have learned not only through

1096
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:48,000
school and personal experiences, but through actually getting help, talking about this

1097
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,720
and normalizing certain things.

1098
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:54,600
Like that's, it's going to change lives and it's so needed, especially in this time.

1099
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,640
And I just have a lot of hope in our generations and the change that's to come.

1100
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:05,320
Like I'm so impressed by even what's on TikTok and on social media and how people are talking

1101
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:06,320
about it.

1102
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:12,000
And I feel like ultimately getting to better understand these disorders not only will it

1103
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,200
help us, you know, love people and other people, but it'll also help us love ourselves

1104
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,200
better.

1105
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,200
Absolutely.

1106
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:24,600
And I think that's the way of, you know, the things that we were taught makes something

1107
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,000
wrong with us or need prayer or a priest or whatever it is.

1108
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:34,680
Like there's actual treatment and in a lot of cases there's natural remedies.

1109
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:39,640
And just to add, like I experienced severe anxiety in college and I was telling you guys

1110
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,520
before we even start filming, it was a lot and I thought it was a hard issue.

1111
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,840
And I went to the yard a couple of times and doctors were straight up telling me, well,

1112
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,480
let's do blood work and figure it out.

1113
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:50,720
Couldn't pinpoint it.

1114
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:53,400
And then someone finally said, I think you're having panic attacks.

1115
00:49:53,400 --> 00:50:02,880
So I did therapy and I was on a low dose of Xanax, which looking back, I'm like, I've

1116
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,080
heard things about Xanax and from different psychiatrists where they prefer not to use

1117
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,080
that.

1118
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:14,240
But at the time I was on it and I remember I was driving and like mid panic attack and

1119
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:19,120
took a half tablet for the first time because my therapist or psychiatrist said, just take

1120
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,920
a half tablet whenever you feel the symptoms coming on and then relax.

1121
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,360
And so I would have to stop the car, pull over whatever it is.

1122
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:33,800
Most of the time it was like when I was driving to my apartment and would take the medicine

1123
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,080
and I felt the relief.

1124
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,520
And then that's what pulled me out of the initial physical reaction where I was like,

1125
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:40,520
oh my gosh, I'm okay.

1126
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:41,520
I'm not going to die.

1127
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,400
I'm not having a heart issue.

1128
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,760
It feels like that sometimes.

1129
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:45,760
It does.

1130
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:51,160
And but to feel that relief, it was like, okay, that was a temporary thing.

1131
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:56,720
So after a while of me doing that and then going to therapy, we got to the root of where

1132
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,840
the anxiety was coming from.

1133
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,520
And then I got to do breathing exercises and different things every time I would have a

1134
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:03,520
panic attack.

1135
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:08,720
And it eventually got to the point, like it's making me emotional.

1136
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:14,600
But it got to the point where one day I had a panic attack and my pills were sitting there

1137
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,720
and I was like, okay, that's there just in case they need it.

1138
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:22,360
But let me see, like let me process this for myself and do everything my therapist taught

1139
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:27,000
me, breathe and whatever it is and take a second and that's there if I need it.

1140
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,200
And I got through a whole panic attack without needing to take my medication.

1141
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,000
And that was such a defining term point in my life.

1142
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,920
And I was like, wow, I can do it and after a while, I no longer needed the medication.

1143
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,560
And that's such a like such a breakthrough.

1144
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,680
I mean, like, honestly, I commend you for that.

1145
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,880
A lot of people don't even attempt to try to do that.

1146
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,320
You know, they just kind of want to rely on something that's easy and that's not easy.

1147
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,400
So I mean, honestly, good for you.

1148
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:54,560
It was so hard.

1149
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,640
And then eventually getting off of that.

1150
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,520
And now I'm on a different medication, which is really it's changed my life.

1151
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,880
It's amazing.

1152
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,600
But just to go through that and know, okay, I can get off this medication.

1153
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,600
It was only a temporary thing.

1154
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,760
But there are a lot of cases where you might need medication for the rest of your life.

1155
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:14,760
Of course, everyone's different.

1156
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:15,760
And that is fine.

1157
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,480
You know, like chemical imbalances are just that you're not in control of them.

1158
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,920
So I've I've just been it's been really good.

1159
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,240
Like I've long story short, I'm on well beach and right now, which I haven't told anyone

1160
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:32,800
like not even post on social media or anything because I used to be so afraid of like talking

1161
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:39,640
about that because, you know, TV and a lot, you know, there's still like misconceptions

1162
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,480
and opinions that people have.

1163
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:46,520
But I realized that that whole culmination of anxiety and college was just a lot of the

1164
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,480
college pressure, but also a lot of trauma experience growing up.

1165
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:55,560
And so going through and having anxiety my whole life, I realized that I was just powering

1166
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:01,560
through certain things and working at basically all my mental emotional energy to fight this

1167
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:07,960
anxiety and this depression, which is a mood disorder that stems from my family's history

1168
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,880
of manic bipolar disorder.

1169
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:16,520
And it's very common, which I just found out last year, kids of people with manic bipolar

1170
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,920
to have some kind of mood disorder, whether it's severe or mild.

1171
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:25,000
So now I'm on a very low dose of well beach and it literally it changed my whole life.

1172
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,000
And I didn't know that feeling just okay.

1173
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,680
Yeah, it was possible.

1174
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:29,680
Absolutely.

1175
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,160
And I'm at this point in my career and this height in my career.

1176
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:36,640
So it's like I've gone through all these different moments where I've had to be introspective

1177
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:41,760
and I've had to like take accountability for certain outbursts or things that have happened

1178
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,160
in relationships in the past.

1179
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,160
Yeah.

1180
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:50,320
Like it's a lot, but being able to still be successful and to push through it's like

1181
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:55,360
you can do it if you're going through something right now and you haven't wanted to try medication

1182
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,040
or you're afraid to try therapy.

1183
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:05,120
You've made it this far and I just encourage you if you are still weighing like, I don't

1184
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,480
know if I want to do it, get help because it will literally change your life.

1185
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:09,480
You're not alone.

1186
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,840
There's someone out there who's trained and who's qualified to help you.

1187
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:14,840
And other people have this too.

1188
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:15,840
Yeah.

1189
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,240
I just don't feel like you're alone.

1190
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:19,240
Your story reminds me of some...

1191
00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:21,240
I like how this was a wrap up.

1192
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:22,240
I'm like...

1193
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:23,240
No, it's okay.

1194
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:25,240
No, I don't know what you guys would like to say.

1195
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:26,240
Yes, my whole life's...

1196
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:27,240
Here it is.

1197
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:30,240
It's just sort of when I get off the womb.

1198
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:36,760
Someone had passed along this information and they said, this person was dealing with

1199
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:44,280
something that a coping mechanism that they had developed through trauma.

1200
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:49,120
And they said, what that is is a skill.

1201
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:54,400
That anxiety that you had that was created was a skill at one point, but it no longer

1202
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,520
serves you.

1203
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:01,520
And now you're developing another skill, right?

1204
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,200
Oh my God, I wasn't ready for that.

1205
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:06,200
Me neither.

1206
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:07,200
Or Finney, ladies and gentlemen.

1207
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:08,200
Me neither.

1208
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,200
I need the tissue.

1209
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,240
Hey, but that's literally what this is about though.

1210
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:16,080
We all like to listen to the gory details of true crime.

1211
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,080
We all have a weird morbid interest in that.

1212
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,760
That is not the root of this podcast.

1213
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:30,640
But we're so thankful for this platform and for this conversation in general, but that's

1214
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:35,960
what this is about is having those hard conversations and knowing that you're not the only one

1215
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,520
that feels that way.

1216
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,280
And again, I say this all the time, and I'm going to say it again, nobody is immune to

1217
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,280
this.

1218
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,480
It can happen to anybody.

1219
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:49,000
And anxiety disorder is the most common mental disorder in the United States.

1220
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,320
I would say the prevalence is like 80-something percent.

1221
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:53,320
It is up there.

1222
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:54,320
Absolutely.

1223
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:55,320
With the pandemic?

1224
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,320
Oh my gosh, let's talk about it.

1225
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,760
Well, and I'm thankful for telemedicine at this point.

1226
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:02,760
Of course.

1227
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:03,760
Yeah.

1228
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:09,920
I think it's given a lot of people a chance to be with themselves and experience themselves

1229
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:16,680
and realize, okay, well, if I need therapy, bam, I'm just going to zoom it, which is

1230
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:17,680
amazing.

1231
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:18,680
It's so cool.

1232
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:19,680
We've come so far.

1233
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,200
We've come to visit someone.

1234
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:22,960
I mean, yeah, even a phone conversation.

1235
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,000
If you're driving to work, you know, you call someone and be able to talk to them.

1236
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,880
My therapist is actually based out of Dallas.

1237
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,400
And so we do tell him that, I mean, we've been chatting since the pandemic.

1238
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,400
Sorry.

1239
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,920
Because I just wanted to check in with myself.

1240
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:35,920
Yeah.

1241
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:36,920
Yeah.

1242
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:37,920
Okay.

1243
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,920
And then I realized that all the things I thought I had processed and I was good.

1244
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,880
I'm like, great, I'm at this perfect place in my life.

1245
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,280
Everything came out and I was like, oh my gosh.

1246
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,480
So I'm slowly getting there right now.

1247
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,480
I'm scared, but I'm doing it.

1248
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:51,480
I'm like, oh my gosh.

1249
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,480
Yes.

1250
00:56:52,480 --> 00:57:00,360
You can like pinpoint the reasoning and just better understand how to move forward and

1251
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,400
how to cope with certain things and getting rid of those old coping.

1252
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,760
Like you mentioned, that just made me have a breakdown just now.

1253
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:12,520
But things that you, that turn into coping and no longer serve you because you're in

1254
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,120
this next, like you're constantly changing your constant growing and different things

1255
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:20,840
are going to happen in your life where you'll be able to better cope with them because you

1256
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:21,840
got the help sooner.

1257
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:22,840
Right.

1258
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:23,840
Absolutely.

1259
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:31,200
The example that I like to use is that like, if it's whether it's grief or trauma or anxiety,

1260
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:32,840
that doesn't get any smaller.

1261
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,200
You just grow around it.

1262
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,040
You get bigger and you get more able to deal with it.

1263
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,040
And eventually it's so small because you're so big.

1264
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,040
You don't feel it anymore.

1265
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:48,720
You don't feel it anymore, like a panic attack minimizes down to like an invasive thought.

1266
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:49,720
Oh my gosh.

1267
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,920
What if, and then you're like, oh no, that's not real.

1268
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:52,920
That's just me being anxious.

1269
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:53,920
You're fine girl.

1270
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:54,920
Then you're fine.

1271
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,760
And you can kind of joke with yourself and celebrate it in a way.

1272
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,680
You're like, you're like, girl, it's not that serious.

1273
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:07,520
And then, but you get to enjoy being you in the process and like owning the fact that

1274
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:08,520
that's what makes you.

1275
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,840
And like you said, there's skills like people who struggle with certain disorders because

1276
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:17,680
you survived like this is you not choosing death as your option.

1277
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:18,680
Right.

1278
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:19,680
It's adaptability.

1279
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:20,680
You're right.

1280
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:21,680
You're adapting.

1281
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,440
Your way out of it, even though you didn't ask for it, right.

1282
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:25,800
You might not have deserved it.

1283
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,400
Like you did what you need to at the time to survive.

1284
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,280
And then when you realize you no longer need that thing, you need to figure out, okay,

1285
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:36,280
what's my next step?

1286
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:37,280
Like how do I now?

1287
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,280
How do I survive this?

1288
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,000
And you just keep going.

1289
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,200
Never settle full body heaps.

1290
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,280
Oh, the full body of the jeeps.

1291
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:47,280
The jeeps.

1292
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,280
Yes.

1293
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,280
Wow.

1294
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,280
Well, thank you again.

1295
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:51,280
Like seriously so much for being here with us.

1296
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:52,280
Thank you.

1297
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:53,280
This is really cool.

1298
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,240
Honestly, I'm just going to put this if that's okay with you.

1299
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:57,240
No editing.

1300
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:58,240
Just throw this out there.

1301
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,240
If that's okay.

1302
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:00,240
Throw it out there.

1303
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,240
If you want me to take anything out, I will.

1304
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,240
And I can even take this out.

1305
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:04,240
If you want me to.

1306
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:05,240
No, I say leave it.

1307
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:06,240
Yeah.

1308
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,240
This is like a first.

1309
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:08,240
This is a huge.

1310
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,240
Yeah.

1311
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:10,240
Yeah.

1312
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,240
Do you want us to send you a copy first?

1313
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:14,240
No.

1314
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,240
I'll still send you a copy.

1315
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:17,240
Still send you a copy.

1316
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:18,240
You're going to catch it on.

1317
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,240
Is your camera still on?

1318
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:20,240
No, I didn't say battery.

1319
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,240
So I'm like, cause I still have to interview you guys separately.

1320
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:24,240
Oh yeah.

1321
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:25,240
Oh, okay.

1322
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:26,240
Well, let's do that.

1323
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:30,240
We could literally sit here all day.

1324
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,240
All right.

1325
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:32,240
We love you guys.

1326
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,240
Love you guys.

1327
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,240
Bye.

1328
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:35,240
Bye.

1329
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,240
I was like, you have to say that.