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So, today we're going to talk about... so, we had to pause for just a second because both of our parents walked in and they were being loud.
It's okay, but I didn't get to hear the case because I thought it was literally just as I said.
And it is.
So the suspense is killing me.
Tell me.
Should I build it up again?
No, tell me.
Today's case is about Todd Colhap.
Todd Colhap?
No, nobody.
I don't think so.
Nobody?
Because everybody's...
Nobody?
Raise your hand.
We'll give you a second.
Say it into the phone.
Todd Colhap, who was born Samsel, was his last name.
He was born on March 7, 1971 in Fort Lauderdere, Florida, to Regina and William Samsel.
Samsel.
So his parents were in a pretty toxic relationship just from the jump, probably since before he was born.
And eventually his parents were divorced at age two.
So like a pretty impressionable little age, right?
Yeah.
So his mother got custody of him and Todd had actually lost all contact with his biodad at that point.
Todd's mother actually remarried another man the following year.
So just one year later, she got remarried when Todd was three.
So he was actually legally adopted by this man.
I probably could have found his first name, but I really don't care because this guy sounds like a piece of shit.
And you'll hear why.
So when Todd was five, he was actually legally adopted by this man and his last name was Colhap.
And so that's how he kind of inherited Colhap.
And this is 1976 by this point.
So Todd's stepfather was actually never liked by Todd and this really created a tumultuous household.
Like they constantly fight and he's a child.
Like he's a fucking kid and they're having just like knock down, beat down fights.
Like his dad would just hit him and stuff.
Ow.
It was really bad.
So he would receive beatings quite often from his stepfather.
And Regina, Todd's mother would often leave his stepfather due to the abuse, but she never really actually really left.
Yeah.
And so probably into the first few years of their marriage, she wouldn't go stay at a friend's house for a night or whatever it was.
But she actually ended up filing for divorce like a few years after they had been married.
However, Regina would eventually return to Todd's stepfather and actually get remarried again.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
All right.
So it's just this back and forth shit, right?
So Regina said around this time that Todd was an extremely emotionally sensitive child.
I wonder fucking why?
Why?
Already.
So you know what's funny is when we die, the last like few episodes when we've been like,
wow, they just seem like they had such a great life.
What goes wrong from the get, you know that something is gonna happen here.
Yeah.
This guy was like, it's definitely, sounds a little bit like nurture to me so far.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So of course, like he was emotionally sensitive and he would often react with aggression when
anyone challenged him for anything.
Like if it was like clean your room, he would become violent.
Like he wouldn't, yeah.
Suppressed like suppressed emotions that you didn't process correctly.
Right.
The only emotion that you think is acceptable is anger and that's been shown by the stepfather.
Exactly.
Like again, it's that thing like when you love someone, this is what you do.
Yeah.
You know, and when you like, when you love that person back, that's what you do.
Or if you have any feelings about anything at all, it's okay to get like pissed off and
like enraged, whatever.
But it seemed like by all accounts, Todd was really clingy with Regina, his mom.
It was like super clingy.
Yeah.
Again, I wonder why?
Because the stepfather was abusive to both of them.
Right.
So it was around this time when like Todd was probably eight, nine, he insisted that he
wanted to go live with his biodad.
He wanted to go find his biological father and he wanted to live with him.
Okay.
And he probably didn't care even at that age what that looked like.
Yeah.
You know, he's also a kid.
Yeah.
So by the time Todd had actually started elementary school, so again, this was during all this
time, kind of backtracking a little bit, so five, six, seven, he had begun to have outbursts
of aggression and he showed violent tendencies towards other children.
He even destroyed a school property when he was having his outbursts.
Damn.
Yeah.
Like five and eight.
Five and six.
Five to eight.
And he was in elementary school.
What the hell?
Yeah.
So again, I keep saying this, but like that's what he's been shown.
Yeah.
And it's only, again, you'll see like there's kind of a pattern.
It's when he doesn't get what he wants.
Yeah.
And so that's the thing is like he feels like if he, he was taught that his stepfather probably
got everything that he wanted because he had violent outbursts and he learned that that's
how you get things.
That's not how fucking life works.
Sorry about that.
No.
But to be taught that at such a young age.
Yeah.
But from all accounts again, like he's freaking out over simple shit, right?
So at age nine, Todd had actually been placed in a psychiatric facility.
At nine.
For his behaviors.
Yeah.
How about trying to like love him a little bit?
Maybe that would help.
He's probably not mentally ill.
Yeah.
I mean, and if he is, it's, I don't know.
But at nine.
At nine.
I know.
It's horrible.
So here Todd had spent three and a half months in the psychiatric facility.
And it was then discovered that he had what was described as quote, an explosive temper,
end quote.
And it was also realized that he was quote, preoccupied with sexual thoughts and desires.
At nine.
Was he though?
This is what this says.
Now, okay.
So again, psychologically, we know that when we, you and me, and probably a few listeners
out there know that when things like that are happening, it's usually because there
was some sort of a sexual trauma at some point.
Yeah.
Of course.
He's been exposed to something like that.
Right.
I mean, kids do not think of things like that on their own until like, I think age 13 is
like when you start to come into your realization about the other opposite sex and stuff like
that, like sexually, you know.
Nine.
That's really young.
There's another explanation as well.
They never say that that is what happened.
And he never admitted to something like that.
At least not from what I read, which again, I try to do really thorough research.
The only other thing is that there's that, they call it something, is it the Odysseus
complex?
Odyseus complex.
The Odyseus complex where it's like you fall in love with your opposite sex parent.
And I think maybe that's something that might have happened here.
Yeah, but sexually though.
The Odyseus complex, I get what you're saying, but it usually also doesn't really manifest
into a sexual thing until you're older.
So still, even if it was Odyseus complex at nine, it would probably be just like infatuation,
like love, not like, you know, sexual.
The only thing I can think of, and this is just speculating, maybe his parents were very
open about sex and they, I mean, there's a lot of cases we hear where parents don't give
a shit about having sex in front of their kids, you know, and maybe that's where he
got that exposure.
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, you never know.
And then you're only going to find out as much as he's willing to admit.
The stepdad sounds like a piece of shit.
He probably groped.
So after Todd had his little stent there, he actually went back into public school and
it was reported that he would begin to hit other children, like punch other kids.
So whatever they did or didn't do didn't help.
So he actually on the bus once got into a small disagreement with a girl on the bus,
he stabbed her in the legs with a pair of scissors.
What?
Yeah.
In the legs?
In the leg.
I'm sorry.
I said legs.
I was like, plural.
Leg is, no.
Yeah.
What the hell?
But yeah, because he upset her.
I'm, because she upset him.
He upset her and then he stabbed her.
Yeah.
No, that's so awful.
He was upset by something that she had said.
Oh my God.
So around this time, we're going to see this come in like already.
Todd had began abusing neighborhood animals.
Oh, and he's how old is like 10?
He's probably nine or 10 of this.
Yeah, probably 10 because I think when he went into this facility, it was late.
I remember the McDonald's triad, we talked about one of those three things is harming
animals.
So you would actually hunt down neighborhood dogs with a BB gun.
Just dogs indiscriminately, not just that they were like stray dogs, but like people's
dogs.
I'm, you can't see my face listeners, but I have my jaw to the floor because a BB gun
is that's very, very vocal because that's not going to kill them.
Yeah, it's going to harm them.
That's so sad.
So we would hunt down dogs with a BB gun.
And at another point, he actually killed the family goldfish.
Oh no.
Do you want to know how?
Oh no.
Did he eat it?
He put bleach in the water.
Oh my God.
That is so fucking wrong.
Do you want to know why?
Why?
Because he's a fucking little shit.
Why?
He wanted a gerbil and his stepfather said he couldn't have a gerbil because he already
had a pet.
The goldfish.
So he killed the goldfish to get a gerbil.
Well, so he's going to kill the gerbil to get a cat next to something?
Maybe.
Oh my gosh.
Todd's stepfather later described Todd as quote, only being capable of anger.
It seems like it.
And you know, I don't want to feel, I don't not want to feel bad for the kid because it,
again, it seems like a lot of nurture, but this is outrageous.
Like these are, I mean, that's violent, violent acts at a very young age.
Again, I want to like reiterate the fact that like, this isn't like the mid 70s, late 70s,
like probably late 70s, maybe early 80s at this point.
I mean, this isn't the 1920s or the 1930s where these warning signs aren't there.
Like these are warning signs.
Well, the parents obviously didn't give a shit.
No.
They definitely didn't, but then maybe she was too, I mean, we see it too in situations
like this where she's in an abusive relationship, a toxic relationship.
She's going to preoccupy all of her time with that we saw it in Richard Chase.
Yeah.
Remember she got therapy for herself and not for him.
Yeah.
She was like, okay, I need something to realize.
I'm fucking up my child.
Yeah.
But I mean, yeah, I think, I think it's hard for the moms a lot of this time.
And again, I, I feel like we're getting there as like a community of women to like stand
up for ourselves now and be able to talk about things.
I mean, it still happens.
It's never going to go away.
I don't think.
Yeah.
And, but I feel like at the time it's like, it was hard for a woman to be a single mom
with children and raise the kids and, you know, and things like that.
And not feel like you need to rely upon a male figure or whatever to help with that.
So yeah.
Oh, that's awful.
This is not going well so far.
So entering his teenage years, Todd's anger only increased of course, because he's not
being treated.
Yeah.
In one instance during an argument, Todd would actually destroy his own bedroom with a claw
hammer after begging his mother to go stay with his bio dad.
Where did he get a claw hammer?
First of all, second of all, they don't care.
They got shit everywhere.
Okay.
How old is he at this point?
That's teenage.
He's probably like 13.
Yeah.
And you know, the most fucked up part I think is that it's not like he can just call up
dad and, and have dad come get him.
He doesn't even know who this person is.
And so the fact that she's withholding that information is like, yeah, I don't want to
say it's abuse, but it's kind of, it's fucked up.
So it got so severe that he actually threatened to kill her and his stepdad if he didn't live
with his dad, his biological dad.
In 1982, Regina would actually leave Todd's stepdad, which is good, right?
You're like, yay, okay, abusers out of the house.
Maybe things can turn around.
But Regina couldn't at this point really provide for him.
So he's like, she's like, yeah, I'll send you over there with your bio dad.
Okay.
Bio dad lives in Arizona.
So the following year, he starts living with his bio dad.
And it would actually just prove to further like fuel his rage because his biological
father is absolutely obsessed with guns and women.
Great.
It's coming from all angles here.
This guy like literally doesn't have a chance.
Like does not have a chance.
Because honestly, I'm, yeah, I want to feel bad for him really bad for the kid, you know,
just because he literally got the worst of the shit into the stick.
So at first Todd started working odd jobs.
He tried to stabilize himself while he was living with his dad, but his dad was never
around.
His dad was always out drinking or have like, party with friends and with girlfriends and
all that sort of stuff.
So he felt kind of cheated.
He's like, I came all the way out here to live with you and to get to know you.
And it turns out you're a piece of shit too.
So um, yeah, it really sucks.
I feel like he went out there to like change his trajectory, you know, and yeah, like he
tried to get like his little self help as he like could think of.
Yeah.
Todd would actually be quoted in saying that his dad shared his obsession of guns and how
to quote, blow things up and make bombs.
Great.
He's a teenager by the way.
So he's creating a terrorist.
Yeah.
Wow.
I was like, maybe he'll have a better life with dad.
Yeah.
He wouldn't be on this podcast if he had, well, you know.
Yeah.
The end of the story is that everyone's fine.
That's the end of the story is that everyone survives and everyone's fine.
Yeah.
We can go home now.
Yeah.
Literally.
So feeling more and more like he was being neglected by his father, Todd did express
several times that he wanted to go live with his mother again.
And during this time his mom had moved from Florida to South Carolina, I'm assuming because
there was probably more support there.
Yeah.
She's a single person.
At this point, he knows, obviously he knows his mom.
He's old enough to maybe contact her on his own.
Yeah.
So I mean, I hope he does that.
Go ahead.
So yeah, he did express that he wanted to go stay with his mom, but in several contacts
that he had with his mother, his mom would always try to come up with some type of an
excuse to not have Todd back.
That's so awful.
I don't know what her status was over in South Carolina particularly, but I mean the kid
was a fucking hellion.
Yeah, but like, and now he's like a young adult, you know?
Yeah, I get that.
However, you know, I don't think the approach you should take is, oh here, let me just send
you somewhere else to live with your father so I don't have to deal with you.
It's like, hey, let me like maybe get you some professional help.
Yeah, it would be my first thought.
And then not like, oh, I can't have you back because you're having a miserable time over
there like sorry, you know?
Yeah.
No, like these parents.
You realize they want to come home.
If you don't want to be a fucking parent, don't be a parent.
Like there's, I mean, they don't want to be a parent and they're not being parents.
Exactly, but I'm saying like if you don't make the kid go through something like that,
put him for adoption.
Todd would actually have his first stint in prison while living in Arizona.
Okay.
And I don't know if, like he was necessarily arrested, I mean, clearly he had somewhat of
a record because he was in psychiatric treatment for violence and things like that.
But I don't know if he was actually arrested for anything like major before this.
Okay.
If not, this escalates very quickly, by the way.
So he was 15 at the time and he decided to kidnap a 14-year-old girl that was, I'm assuming
in the neighborhood.
It's unclear whether or not he knew this girl like from school or anything like that because
her identity has never been released.
Okay.
So he went to her house, threatened her life with a.22 caliber gun, walked her from her
place to his place and content warning.
There he tied her up, taped her mouth and then sexually assaulted her.
Oh my gosh.
At 15?
Yeah, he was 15.
Yeah, and she was 14.
And where are you learning this, not learning, but where do you get that from?
Exactly.
Where do you get that idea from?
Yeah.
Is your father doing things similarly to that?
Yeah.
Or saying that it's okay to take what you want?
And that's what I'm saying.
It's like for the sexual assault, that's very like, again, we talked about that, that is
like a sign of someone being sexually abused themselves.
That's what I'm saying.
He had to have been exposed to something sexual.
He never says it.
He never talks about that.
Not to say it didn't happen.
But yeah, but I mean, it would at least be based on patterns.
So he did eventually walk her back to her house and he did threaten to harm her siblings
if she ever spoke about it.
Oh my gosh.
That's so scary.
And at 14, you're like, I'm not going to fucking say a word.
Yeah.
Like I'm not going to get anyone else in trouble.
This was somehow reported to police.
And again, I don't know exactly how they found out if she said someone or if someone saw
them together or whatever.
But the police were notified.
So Todd was actually apprehended and interrogated.
And under interrogation, Todd had admitted to his crimes.
He claimed that the crime was actually uncontrollable.
He said that this is not something that he had under control or that he was in control
of.
He said that he had committed these crimes because he wanted to get back at his father
for not paying enough attention to him.
That's the way to do that.
Because if like, look at what I'm capable of when you're not watching me, you know?
Ew.
Like that's basically what he said.
That's so fucking gross.
Like I'm not under any supervision.
So it's like I'm uncontrollable.
Bullshit.
Yeah.
So it seems like he, again, he wanted to, it's weird because it seems like he wanted
to cover his tracks because he did threaten her.
So it's like, did you want to get caught or you didn't want to get caught?
Yeah.
It's kind of confusing, right?
So of course, Regina, Todd's mother, like runs to his defense and she writes a handwritten
note to the courts saying that Todd did have full knowledge of what he did and that he
was highly remorseful from his actions.
Oh no, she gives a shit.
See, and this is what I'm saying.
It's like, it's got to be a mom complex.
Like it's such a mom complex.
Todd would be tried as an adult for armed kidnapping and sexual assault.
Because of the severity.
As he should.
Yeah.
So the judge knew of his kind of standing record of the violent tendencies and, you know, his
stint in psychiatric, a psychiatric facility.
And that's why he went ahead and chose to try him as an adult.
The judge was quoted in saying, quote, 25 months of the most intensive and expensive professional
intervention will not provide protection for the public.
And that, quote, no rehabilitation of this juvenile by any services or facilities presently
available in juvenile court could help him.
Okay.
So that's the end of the case there.
He was in prison for the rest of his life.
You would think so.
Well, he said 25 months of.
So the maximum penalty for a juvenile would be 25 months.
Yeah.
Right.
So Todd did take a guilty plea and that was in exchange for the drop of the sexual assault
charge because he probably knows even at 15 that sexual assault charges could be detrimental
to him in prison.
Then don't fucking commit a sexual assault.
Then don't do it.
Right.
So he was guilty of one charge of kidnapping and he was sentenced to 15 years in prison
and had to register as a sex offender in lieu of the sexual assault charge.
Ew.
But he went to fucking prison.
Good.
As he should have.
I'm sorry.
Like, so in 1987, Todd was actually given a psychiatric evaluation where he was determined
to have a higher IQ than average.
His IQ was 118 with the average intelligence being about 100.
So it's pretty high.
The evaluation, unfortunately, also determined that he suffered from antisocial personality
disorder.
Wow.
That really figures.
I couldn't have fucking told you that from like the whole part of this, the first part
of the podcast.
So Dr. Roger Martig is the psychologist who evaluated Todd and he said that Todd quote,
demonstrates episodes of ignoring or distorting reality and regularly uses protection defense
mechanisms and the presence of degrees have an impaired sense of reality.
That sounds like antisocial personality disorder.
That's a mouthful.
Cole had, quote, excessively strange impulses and feelings and quote, and has, quote, limited
capacity to tolerate unpleasant effects.
End quote.
But, okay, yeah, that makes sense because he burst out in anger all the time.
Right.
So he stated that Todd's condition could evolve into, quote, emotional deterioration in the
future or continued aggressive behavior towards others in the future.
End quote.
So keep him in prison forever.
Despite all of this, Todd actually earned himself a bachelor's degree in computer science
and while he was in prison.
Wow.
And in 2001, he was released from prison.
Why?
Which is pretty much, like it was pretty much the 15 years that he was supposed to be in
there.
Okay.
First of all, that's ridiculous that he only got 15 years.
First of all, the fact that people are evaluating and saying he is going to continue to harm
others, why would you at least not keep him instituted in a mental health?
Well, that was the psychiatric evaluation.
However, by all accounts, in prison, he was like a pleasant person.
Oh, he's a goody two shoes.
Of course he fucking is.
He has antisocial personality disorder.
Well, not only that, he probably had structure for the first time in his entire life, you
know?
Yeah, that's a good point.
He didn't have to work.
He didn't have, you know what I mean?
Like he, he just studied.
And that's something that he was clearly very good at.
And that's what we saw in the craft case too.
I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that without the structure, things quickly
go down hill for him outside of prison.
Sure.
Go ahead.
So pretty much as soon as he was released, he went to, because again, this is in Arizona.
So after serving 15 years, he went to South Carolina to be with his mom.
So he's probably like almost 30 at this point.
Yeah, I think so.
So he actually started working in computer programming and he did that about two, for
about two years.
And then he actually wanted to go back to school because again, what we were talking
about in the Randy Kraft case that he kind of relied, like Kraft did, relied on his intelligence
and the fact that he was a military guy, like, you know, and that that's what felt normal
to him.
Yeah, and they should have used it for good.
Right.
Yeah.
He used your powers for good.
Yes.
So he did go back to school and he got a secondary bachelor's degree in science with a major in
business administration and marketing.
Okay, cool.
Right.
Doing some good stuff.
So all throughout school, people described Todd as a very smart individual with no violent
streak to speak of, like at all.
Todd was actually able to lie about his record and his sex offender registry on a real estate
license application and he actually received a real estate license.
So with this, Todd was able to build a firm of more than a dozen agents in his firm.
Good for him.
Yeah.
I mean, kind of.
So he was also recognized as one of the top agents in the Carolina region.
So he was really successful at doing this.
Todd went ahead and bought his own house.
So he was doing really well.
Todd also was able to acquire a private pilot license, which is interesting.
He also purchased several properties outside of this out of state properties.
So he was managing certain properties for his real estate business.
Yeah.
I mean, that's not cheap.
Yeah, it's really not.
So in May, 2014, he actually purchased a nearly 100 acre land property and it was actually
located outside of Moore, the town of Moore.
And the property was about like $300,000.
So it was a pretty big property.
But it was, I mean, that seems reasonably priced for that much.
But it was like, again, out in the middle of nowhere.
So he actually set in a fence that fenced around the property and that cost $80,000.
Wow.
$80,000.
Yeah.
So again, it's kind of like an interesting little tidbit.
Yeah.
But clearly he cherishes his privacy.
Oh, yeah.
And also, it seems like everything's been going really well for him for a long time.
And it almost seems like, I mean, this could be a movie because it seems like his demons
are going to get the better of him.
Yeah.
Like eventually.
Yeah.
And this is 2014.
I mean, that's not that long ago.
Yeah, it's not.
So Todd's friends around this time had actually described him as a very hardworking individual.
But that he was also kind of creepy.
Okay.
So it was nothing ever so serious, but they never wanted to end a friendship over.
But that he was just kind of like off.
Yeah.
Like he was just odd.
So a client of Todd's actually said that he was extremely outgoing and professional
throughout her time of trying to sell her house to him.
Although he did mention several times that he was a big gun enthusiast and he would make
sexual any windows during their conversations.
Ew.
Like get fucked.
That's gross, right?
That's so fucking gross.
So another.
Sorry.
I get mad when someone calls me like sweetheart or like honey.
I'm like, don't fucking call me that.
I'm super sweetie.
Yeah.
It's got to be stuff like that.
Right.
Like it's just a sweetie.
So on another account, it actually come from a woman who was an assistant to an employee
of Todd's.
Okay.
And she described Todd as an angry man who was super condescending to her.
Okay.
We haven't heard this anger aspect come in.
Not in a while.
So he would just get like impatient and yell at people like his agents.
Old habits.
Yeah.
So there was actually another account of someone that worked for Todd saying that they would
often catch Todd watching porn at work.
Not looking good for Todd.
Not looking good.
Hey, I'm Todd.
You were doing so well.
I know, right?
Maybe he was doing that this whole time and people are just now starting to get in.
Todd was also known to frequent a waffle house where his behavior disturbed the waitresses
so much to the point where the male cooks actually had to take his order.
Fuck, I love waffle house though.
I've never been to a waffle house.
It's so kind of a lie.
Really?
So good.
But no, that's really fucked up.
Also, like I highly, highly support places that are like, no, get out of here.
You know what I mean?
But the fact that the guys were leading us up in was, I guess, too.
Yeah.
But they, you know, they definitely should have kicked us out.
So actually one of the waitresses that worked there was a one Megan Lee McGraw-Coxey who
would eventually become one of his victims.
Oh no.
So he was eventually banned from the waffle house.
Wait, he's a killer?
We're getting there.
No, the podcast is called Diagnosing a Killer.
Oh wait, he killed someone.
I didn't see that coming.
Yeah, so this is all like this kind of like linear type story.
And so we were in 2014-ish around the time where he bought the property, but now we're
going to backtrack.
So it was after he was out of prison, after he had moved to South Carolina, and he had
been out of prison for about five years at this point.
Okay.
So in 2006, Todd decided to purchase a motorcycle in Chesney, South Carolina.
He chose to go into superbike motorsports, and after many visits to the shop, Todd eventually
bought a bike, only to try to return it shortly after the fact.
Okay.
According to Todd and Todd's mother, when he tried to return the bike for a full refund,
claiming that he no longer wanted the bike, the staff laughed at him and accused him of
not being able to handle or ride the bike.
Oh, no, you don't want to make fun of that guy.
Right?
So upon hearing this, Todd had made up his mind.
Oh my God, no.
He did leave that day, but on the 6th of November he returned.
He entered through the back of the shop, shooting the first person he saw, which was a 26-year-old
mechanic named Chris Sherbert.
Wait, this was all like way before he bought the property and everything?
Yeah.
And no one fucking knew?
No one knew.
Well, let's get there.
Oh my God.
He then made his way through the shop, shooting and killing 52-year-old Beverly Guy, who was
the shop owner's mother, and she was the shop bookkeeper.
Oh my God.
Shot her in the main showroom.
He then shot service manager Brian Lucas, who was 29, and he was trying to make his way
through the front doors.
Oh, that's so scary.
Todd then took his last victim, who was in the parking lot.
It was the shop owner who was trying to escape, and this is in the parking lot.
Can you imagine being in the parking lot so close?
He was 30-year-old Scott Ponder, so each victim had received an additional shot in their
foreheads before Todd left the scene to ensure that they were dead.
Oh my God.
So this was never released to the public during the investigation, and would go unsolved for
13 years.
How?
There's no cameras or anything in that shop?
I don't know.
Maybe not in 2006.
It's 2006.
No, that's, I feel like that's, you know, it's not like it's the 20s, like you said.
It's not like it's the 20s.
Oh my gosh.
It just was never solved.
I think because of the randomness of it.
They probably investigated other family members.
They probably investigated friends or whatever.
The only person that had any information on it was actually Scott Ponder's wife, the owner,
shop owner's wife, that said that a man who would eventually fit the description of Todd
Colheb, that there was an angry guy that would come in and just argue with people.
And so that was, but that was the most that she knew.
She didn't really, I don't know if she even gave a description.
She just said it was probably this guy, but they, I mean, that could be anybody.
Yeah, exactly.
Oh my God.
That was a twist.
I did not know you were going to say that.
So that was in 2006.
So in 2016, 10 years later, after dating for a few months, Kayla Brown and her boyfriend,
Charlie Carver decided to move in together.
Falling on hard times, Kayla had made the decision to approach an old acquaintance of
her then ex-boyfriends who was a real estate agent.
And this was knowing that he probably needed help cleaning up houses for sale, knowing
that this man usually would hire people to clean real estate, like clean up houses for
him.
So Kayla got into contact with Todd Colheb.
However, after being hired, Todd decided to employ both Charlie and Kayla on his personal
95 acre property, saying that they could stay there and things like that to help clean up
brush.
After some time in late August, Charlie's mother couldn't get a hold of her son.
She tried calling several times with no answer.
A concerned friend even went to Kayla and Charlie's house several times with no answer.
On September 5th, the family had gained access to the couple's home and found their beloved
dog with no food or water.
So this was like, this was probably like a week after they were last spoken to on the
phone.
I think it was Kayla's mom that spoke to her on the phone on August 31st.
It was nearly starving to death, but the dog was fine.
Oh my God, that's so sad.
Kayla's mom was actually quoted in saying that, quote, the dog is her baby, she would
never leave him like that.
They loved that dog.
So it was then that Kayla's family was actually reported her missing at this point.
So about the same time Charlie started posting on his Facebook, leaving milestone posts that
he and Kayla were expecting a baby and that they chose to purchase a house in a different
town and that they were also planning to be married.
Oh yeah, that's not them posting those things.
He also started randomly posting messages that didn't sound like him.
On one time, a post simply read the lyrics to the Eagles Hotel California.
Last thing I remember, I was running for the door.
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before.
Relaxed for the night man, we're programmed to receive.
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
Okay, that's eerie as fuck, but good as fucking song.
There were unsettling memes with dark quotes.
There was one with a Joker, like it's a cartoon Joker and it's like where he's running his
fingers.
I think it's from Hush.
Somebody help me with that, I think it is.
But the quote said, if I weren't crazy, I'd be insane.
And after all of this suspicious behavior on Charlie's Facebook, friends and family became
increasingly concerned.
Yeah, yeah.
And they're responding at this time saying like, dude, where are you?
The police are looking for you.
All this stuff.
And then people started becoming so suspicious that they were like, this is the person that
killed them.
So yeah.
That's what I think.
Yeah.
That's where my mind's going right now.
So again, becoming increasingly concerned, the family filed warrants to obtain records
on the Facebook accounts of both Charlie and Kayla.
They wanted to know.
So on October 5th, almost a month after filing with Facebook to get these records, they actually
gave copies to the police, the transcripts.
They actually found messages being exchanged between Kayla, Charlie, and Todd.
So they're like, dummy, right?
Yeah.
Dummy.
So Todd had also been sharing things on his Facebook, liking and sharing the couple's
missing posts from their family's posts.
Yeah.
What a fucking asshole.
Asshole.
And he was like, oh, if I ever go missing, do this with my body.
If I ever go missing, like how do people go missing?
Like things like that.
Yeah.
What a fucking cock.
So police had actually obtained telephone records of the couples, and it actually traced
them back to the property, and they had never left.
So they knew that since August 31st, the couple had never left the property, not even to go
shopping, because their phones were on the property.
So realizing that they needed a question, Todd clearly, they located his property.
On November 3rd with search warrants, the police came onto the Todd Colehead property.
Since they had ample evidence that Kayla and Charlie were living on the property, it became
a welfare check.
So they're like, regardless of whether or not we can search all your shit, we need to
make sure that these people aren't on your property somewhere.
So before the police arrived at the massive property, they had already decided to split
up and search the property, like different portions of the property, because it's so
massive.
You ready for this?
Mm-hmm.
Am I?
I don't know.
When the police walked onto the front yard of Colehead's house, they questioned him outside.
When police explained to Todd that they were following a lead to a missing person's case,
he responded with, oh, you're trying to find the girl.
The girl?
One of the detectives actually corrected him and said, we're looking for a couple.
Who's this girl?
The police told Todd that they wouldn't be leaving until they received some information
and his cell phone.
And at that point, they didn't let him go inside by himself.
They were like, we're going inside with you.
He's like, let me just grab my phone real quick.
Shuffle his shit around or try to leave.
So officers followed Todd inside and meanwhile, investigators on the other side of the property
while driving down a dirt road came across a two-story shed or garage type looking thing.
It looked like a, I mean, our next door neighbors have it, but it's like an apartment above
like a garage.
So inside they found a bed and there was actually shackles that were placed strategically along
the walls and on the floor.
So he like built this with that intention?
Well, we'll see.
In the bathroom, however, in the trash can, officers found auburn colored hair clippings
that were similar to Kayla's hair color.
So they continued down the dirt path, right?
They found they took all that evidence and everything like took pictures.
They go ahead and they head back, keep going down the dirt road because they haven't found
anyone yet, right?
But now they have suspicions to believe that like Kayla is somewhere.
They continued down a dirt path until they came upon another shed or like kind of like
a barn thing.
It was smaller than the other one.
But next to that was a shipping container.
And as they approached the shipping container, they began to hear strange noises.
Loud bangs could be heard coming from inside the container with a woman's voice crying
out.
Sorry, so I heard something behind me and it scared me because it's what story?
It's creepy.
So yeah, a woman's voice could be heard screaming from inside the container for help.
The container was locked shut with five gigantic padlocks, big ones.
I'm talking like the size of like softballs.
Oh my gosh.
Like five of them all along the edge of the shipping container.
So it actually took police to saw off the door of the container to access her.
So when they opened it up, it looked like it was used for storage.
There was like giant cases of water bottles.
There was bag of like feed and other supplies that you would use just on a 95 acre property.
But in the back, Kayla was there and she was exhausted and traumatized.
Content warning.
She was chained with her neck up against the wall so she couldn't even lay down if she
wanted to.
Yeah.
Oh, that's so awful.
It's really sad.
And she was actually given a dog bed for comfort.
So she was sitting in a dog bed.
As officers started to free her, she was actually really alert and talking.
She was telling officers when asked about the whereabouts of Charlie, she said, quote,
he shot him.
When asked to repeat herself, she responded with Todd Colhap shot Charlie Carver three
times in the chest, wrapped him in a blue tarp, put him in the bucket of a tractor, locked
me down here and I never seen him again.
She followed with, he says he's dead and buried.
He says there's several bodies buried out here and that the dogs would be ruined if
they go looking because there's red pepper.
Oh my gosh.
Meaning cadaver dogs wouldn't be able to go through the property and find bodies.
By the way, this is all in 20 seconds of hurt.
They're actively trying to take this chain off of her neck and she says all of this information.
Smart girl.
It's 20 seconds.
She wanted to get as much information as possible out there.
Just in case.
You never know.
Yeah.
So she said all of that again.
Like I said, she was coherent and she just wanted to give as much information as possible.
What a fucking badass honestly.
It's incredible.
This is all out there by the way.
The videos are free to watch on YouTube because this is all chest cam on the officers.
They recorded everything as they're doing it.
So it's pretty incredible honestly to see how coherent she was and when they said, where's
Charlie?
I think he says where's your friend or where's your buddy?
And she goes, he shot him and then they were like, he shot him and he's like, yes, Todd
Colehub shot Charlie Carver and just goes into it.
She's been there for months.
Who knows how malnourished.
I think it was about 65, 67 days.
He hydrated and everything.
Wow.
What a fucking badass.
She's such a badass.
So back at the house, mind you, police are with Colehub and they get radio that Kayla
has been found on his property.
Oh my God, does he hear?
I don't know if he hears it necessarily.
But when confronted by this, he's immediately handcuffed and when asked where Charlie is,
just to ease the search, Colehub lawyers up after denying that he had any knowledge of
her being on the property.
Bull fucking shit.
He's like, I don't know who you're talking about.
I don't know.
You don't know what this actual whole ass person that is chained in a fucking thing on your
property.
Right.
So police eventually found Charlie's car and it was ditched on the property.
He had tried to conceal it, of course, because he's an idiot.
Tyler revealed in the ambulance ride on the way to the hospital that she had, in fact,
been sexually assaulted multiple times.
Oh my gosh.
And this is content warning just because of the amount of gaslighting that's about to
happen and the amount of mental manipulation and trauma.
So this will be a content warning, especially for me as well.
He had told Kayla that if she had refused sexual contact that he would respect her for
a time, but after a while if she didn't eventually give in that he would kill her since she didn't
serve a purpose.
Oh my god.
So it's like, I'm not gonna sexually assault you, but you're gonna have to eventually.
That is so fucked up.
He also told Kayla that she shouldn't worry though because after a while she would eventually
develop Stockholm syndrome and fall in love with him.
That gives me like, that gives me chills.
Like that makes my heart sink.
I wanna throat punch this guy.
He had also confessed to Kayla that he wanted to be a serial killer, that he said that he
wanted to up his body count into the three digits, meaning that they were already in
two digits.
Oh, really quick.
Can you explain for the listeners what Stockholm syndrome is just in case somebody listening
doesn't know what that is?
Sure.
So Stockholm syndrome is basically, and this is from the Oxford dictionary again because
I don't like to mess with details.
I don't want a paraphrase.
It is feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases towards a kidnapper or a hostage
taking situation by a victim towards a captor.
So somebody is a victim of human trafficking or kidnapping or hostage situation and they
in turn are manipulated to the point where they start to feel affectionate or protective
over their assault, assailant.
Assailant, yeah, absolutely.
So he did say that he wanted to up his body count, that he wanted to be a serial killer,
and he also told Kayla that if she cooperated he would teach her how to kill people as well
so that they could be partners.
This isn't fucking Bonnie and Clyde you asshole.
That's what he thinks.
Also he's already a serial killer if he's in the double digits, so I don't know why
he said he wanted to be a serial killer.
Right, that's what I'm saying.
He's a fucking idiot.
I think he's, yeah, I think he's bullshitting.
Yeah, he probably is bullshitting.
So he did claim that he had killed many people before and that he killed for the government
and that he was contracted by the military to kill people.
Bullshit.
And that he said that after his stent of working for the government that this is how he survives
now, like he's like Dexter or some shit.
Ew.
Yeah.
Like he thinks that, yeah.
Git literally fucked.
So during Coleheb's interrogation, Coleheb actually struck a deal in exchange for a full
confession.
He wanted three things.
One, to send a photograph of himself in custody to his mother.
Ew.
Two, to transfer funds to a friend for his friend's daughter's college fund.
That's really weird.
Why are you all of a sudden doing something nice?
And three, it was to give his mother a phone call.
That's all he wanted in exchange for a full confession.
Coleheb detailed his terrible upbringing and began to talk about his crimes.
He first confessed to the multiple murders over at the motorbike shop.
A crime that had gone unsolved, of course, at this point was over 10 years.
The police knew that he was telling the truth because he had said that he did, in fact,
shoot the victims in the forehead, which again was never released to the public.
Yeah, they like to leave out little details like that so that they'd know that whoever
is telling them their confession, if it's genuine or not.
He confessed then to killing Charlie because he had quote, a smart mouth.
He then said that he hated that and he said that he didn't want to harm Kayla because
he felt like she was really nice and that she didn't do anything wrong.
I probably have a smart mouth too if you fucking kidnap me against my will.
You piece of shit.
Todd then confessed to killing two more people and those two people were actually found buried
on his property.
So in 2015, this was about a year before he would kill Charlie Carver and kidnap Kayla
Brown, Johnny, Johnny, Joe Coxy and Megan Lee McGraw Coxy were married, a married couple,
and they were going through hard times.
The couple had been in jail.
They did have a history of panhandling and all that.
And then eventually they were expecting their first child.
Unfortunately, the baby was taken away due to drugs being in its system and the baby
entered foster care.
I mean, better life, hopefully.
Yeah, hopefully.
Todd was a frequent customer at the Wawow House where Megan worked and he had tried
many times to entice her to come work for him on his property.
After they're sent in jail, Megan and Johnny, she took him up on the offer.
Even though he was so annoying that they had to have the cooks take his order?
He was going to pay them a lot of money.
He said that they said that he was a really extravagant tipper and that's why everybody
kept him around.
And I'm not-
She probably knew that.
She was not giving her at all.
No.
Yeah.
So seeing this as an opportunity to get their feet under him, Todd had offered for them to
work on the property for money.
So Johnny was ultimately killed on Christmas week.
He was shot multiple times in the chest.
Just like Charlie.
Yeah.
Megan was actually kept for six days before her death.
And she was ultimately killed and shot in the head.
So Cole gave them literally everything in this interrogation as much as they could.
That really, really resonates with his antisocial personality disorder because I know we kind
of touched on that disorder in a previous mental breakdown, but I like to- and this
is very loose terms, but I like to describe that disorder as someone that genuinely does
not give a crap at all.
And that's unfortunately what the disorder does.
It makes you completely benign to anything.
Romantic, anger.
Yeah.
He does get angry, but as far as the confession, whatever.
Yeah.
I don't care.
He doesn't care who his anger affects.
Yeah.
So a little interesting thing about Cole Hub, he's actually his, if you were give him
a moniker, right?
It was the Amazon review killer.
Okay.
So a further search into the computer that Cole Hub had, he had a strange habit of reviewing
the supplies that he bought in order to commit his crimes.
I was thinking the Amazon River.
No.
Which makes absolutely no sense.
No.
Amazon.
Like the website.
We don't say their name anymore times because we're just going to give them more money.
So for example, a padlock review said, quote, works great.
Also if someone talks back, go old school on them by putting it in a sock and beating
them.
And then you can appreciate the hardened steel like you will.
Is that funny at all?
It's not.
It's ridiculous.
Imagine reading that.
You would think someone was joking.
I would be like, haha, that's kind of funny.
You know, if he was joking.
If he was joking.
Oh my gosh.
What a fucking monster.
A miniature shovel review.
Red quote, keep it in the car for hiding the bodies when you left the full size shovel
at home.
Oh my God.
I don't mean to laugh because it's not funny at all, but it's ridiculous and you're laughing
at the ridiculousness of it.
Imagine seeing that review.
I'd be like, that's kind of funny.
LOL.
You know what I mean?
Haha.
A stun gun quote, seriously, trying to find a reason to zap one of my agents for being
lazy.
This is a zap.
It's going to be the office's new motivational tool.
Oh my God.
It's horrifying.
I want to say insane.
It is.
Wow.
This guy.
Ballsy.
Like what?
A knife review.
Oh no.
I haven't stabbed anyone with it yet.
Yet.
But I'm keeping the dream alive and when I do, it'll be with a quality tool like this.
Okay, that one's a little dark.
I mean, all of them are dark, but that one's like pretty.
A chainsaw.
Oh no.
Works excellent.
Getting the neighbor to stand still while you're chasing him is hard enough without
having to do it with an easy to use chainsaw.
Oh.
Yeah.
So he killed his neighbor too?
You literally screaming to be caught.
Like that's the thing.
Actively.
Like just with like the sexual assault from when he was 15, and he was like, oh well,
I just want to piss off my dad.
And it's like what?
Like you don't even care.
Like you do not even care if you're caught.
No, he doesn't.
Because he doesn't.
That's the disorder.
He doesn't care about anything.
You don't care how your actions affect people.
You don't care for not caring.
Like you don't care that you don't care.
Right.
Yeah.
So Cole Hub was charged with four counts of murder for the shop murders, one count of
murder for Charlie, two counts of murder for the Coxys.
And yeah.
I mean, as he should be.
Yes.
Two counts of kidnapping for Kayla and Megan since it was obvious that she'd been there
for a longer time.
It was clearly kidnapping.
This guy is so fucking narcissistic that Cole Hub represented himself in court.
Against the judge's recommendation.
Of course he did.
I mean, that makes me happy though because I know he royally fucked it up.
So the relatives of the shop murders and Kayla Brown herself each filed civil lawsuits for
damages against Cole Hub as well.
And they were in the millions, both cases.
I didn't get the numbers.
And he had it.
So on May 26, 2017, Cole Hub pleaded guilty to seven counts of murder, two counts of kidnapping,
and one count of criminal assault and was sentenced to seven consecutive life sentences
without the possibility of parole.
And a plea bargain, it actually spared him from the death penalty.
Rot.
Yeah.
He actually got an additional 60 years for the kidnappings then.
Although his defense swore that out of sentencing there were no other victims, at the time, Cole
Hub has repeatedly admitted that there was at least two other murders that he has yet
to give any details about.
Why are you admitting it then if you're not going to give details?
That's what I don't understand.
It's like the dangling thing.
Like, I'm going to dangle this over your head.
Yeah.
And you're going to fucking know until I tell you.
So Cole Hub is actually imprisoned at the Broad River Correctional Institution in South
Carolina.
He's still alive?
Yes.
In August 2020, some of Cole Hub's belongings actually were sold at auction and all of
the proceeds were donated to the families.
Oh, that's nice.
To the victims' families.
I wouldn't want any of this shit, but that's nice that they did that.
No.
Oh my God.
No.
I wouldn't want any of this shit either.
Yeah.
And the things that were sold, the things that were sold.
Of course.
I'm sure you get animals or something.
Right, yeah.
Like I'm sure the shipping container is probably destroyed.
Yeah, of course.
Nobody's going to have that.
But yeah.
So anyways, that is Cole Hub.
Wow, I've never heard that case.
Really?
And I'm surprised that I've not heard even anything about it, or it doesn't sound familiar
because it was recent when he got sentenced.
Yeah.
But wow.
I mean, antisocial personality disorder and personality disorders in general are not
all the time genetic.
Yeah.
They can be, but also that nurturing aspect of it, I really think it was a case of both.
And in this case, I think it was nature and nurture.
Yeah.
That got him.
I mean, yeah.
It's, again, like you said, and I don't know what morbid says it.
You know, it's feel bad for the kid.
Don't feel bad for the adult.
Shut up morbid.
Yeah.
Sponsor us.
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All right, my bad.
I said, antisocial personality disorder at the beginning of this.
But it was borderline personality disorder.
Okay.
So, I mean, pretty similar.
Yeah.
And yeah, borderline personality disorder is typified by an unstable or poorly developed
self-image, rapidly changing personal goals, intense but unstable relationships, colored
with needless due to real or imagined fear of abandonment.
I'm saying that a little choppy.
Sorry, you guys.
You also have an impaired ability to recognize the needs and feelings of others.
It is associated with an increased likelihood of feeling slighted or insulted, which we've
seen, impulsive behavior and increased risk taking and hostility.
Okay.
Which, again, increased risk taking.
Oh, of course.
He went through that shop and just murdered four people and didn't care.
Just because.
Yeah.
So, the prevalence of borderline personality disorder in the population is estimated between
1.6% and 5.9%.
And this disorder is seen more in females than in males, which is interesting.
It's really high.
Yeah.
And most people diagnosed are women, with 75% being women.
Wow.
It's a lot.
Yeah, that's interesting.
Well, we'll definitely have to break down like one of the specific personality disorders
in one of our mental breakdowns.
Yeah.
Well, we've done anti-social.
Yeah.
So, I'm saying we can do borderline next time or we can do skit to typo or, yeah, things
like that.
Yeah.
Well, that was, yeah.
I'm, again, shocked that I didn't even know.
That was not even on my radar.
I've never heard of that case.
So, it is very interesting.
Thank you for sharing.
Those Amazon reviews, though, like what?
That is so bizarre.
It's so bizarre.
It is, I mean, I've seen funny things like that before, but now I'm like, should I look
into that?
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, reporting these people.
I know.
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