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Hello! How's it going? Oh, it's fine! We literally just stopped recording and we're starting again!

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Sitting on the dock of the bay, recording the pockets, looking around at everything.

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Oh my god! I just started singing and I realized it's Disney tonight! I'm so excited!

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If anyone's from San Antonio, which... what the fuck? They're probably not listening to this, we're from Albany.

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There is Disney karaoke roulette every first Friday at the bar that Koelle karaoke at.

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At the Thirsty Camel, so come on down! I'm so excited for the pops!

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Me too, and I haven't been in three months, so I'm really... yes, and I bought that Disney shirt to wear and I haven't gotten to wear it yet, so I'm really, really excited.

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I should have washed my Disney clothes.

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Speaking of, yeah, I think it's dirty now that I think of it.

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Anyways, I am Kenna. I'm Koelle. Welcome back to Diagnosing a Killer.

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That was good. I had like a burp coming when I said that.

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It was a killer.

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One time I was like, when you died, you died.

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When I listened to it, I listened to that.

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Five times.

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No!

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We all know that Kenna has congestion issues. I sound like I have a stuffy nose all the time.

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Hopefully I'll get my allergy shots pretty soon and then I'll go away, because I'm like allergic to a lush.

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Okay, I'm excited. I don't even know what you're doing.

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You never know what I'm doing.

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I never know what you're doing.

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You never know what I'm doing.

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Like we don't do that on purpose.

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I know, it sounds like that, but really, we don't know what each other are going to bring, so... which I like it that way.

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Me too.

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It's the best.

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So, today we're going to talk about... so, we had to pause for just a second because both of our parents walked in and they were being loud.

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It's okay, but I didn't get to hear the case because I thought it was literally just as I said.

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And it is.

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So the suspense is killing me.

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Tell me.

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Should I build it up again?

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No, tell me.

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Today's case is about Todd Colhap.

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Todd Colhap?

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No, nobody.

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I don't think so.

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Nobody?

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Nobody?

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Because everybody's...

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Nobody?

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Raise your hand.

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We'll give you a second.

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Say it into the phone.

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Todd Colhap, who was born Samsel, was his last name.

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He was born on March 7, 1971 in Fort Lauderdere, Florida, to Regina and William Samsel.

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Samsel.

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So his parents were in a pretty toxic relationship just from the jump, probably since before he was born.

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And eventually his parents were divorced at age two.

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So like a pretty impressionable little age, right?

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Yeah.

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So his mother got custody of him and Todd had actually lost all contact with his biodad at that point.

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Todd's mother actually remarried another man the following year.

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So just one year later, she got remarried when Todd was three.

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So he was actually legally adopted by this man.

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I probably could have found his first name, but I really don't care because this guy sounds like a piece of shit.

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And you'll hear why.

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So when Todd was five, he was actually legally adopted by this man and his last name was Colhap.

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And so that's how he kind of inherited Colhap.

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And this is 1976 by this point.

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So Todd's stepfather was actually never liked by Todd and this really created a tumultuous household.

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Like they constantly fight and he's a child.

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Like he's a fucking kid and they're having just like knock down, beat down fights.

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Like his dad would just hit him and stuff.

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It was really bad.

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So he would receive beatings quite often from his stepfather.

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And Regina, Todd's mother would often leave his stepfather due to the abuse, but she never really actually really left.

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And so probably into the first few years of their marriage, she wouldn't go stay at a friend's house for a night or whatever it was.

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But she actually ended up filing for divorce like a few years after they had been married.

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However, Regina would eventually return to Todd's stepfather and actually get remarried again.

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All right.

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So it's just this back and forth shit, right?

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So Regina said around this time that Todd was an extremely emotionally sensitive child.

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I wonder fucking why?

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Why?

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Already.

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So you know what's funny is when we die, the last like few episodes when we've been like,

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wow, they just seem like they had such a great life.

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What goes wrong from the get, you know that something is gonna happen here.

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This guy was like, it's definitely, sounds a little bit like nurture to me so far.

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So of course, like he was emotionally sensitive and he would often react with aggression when

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anyone challenged him for anything.

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Like if it was like clean your room, he would become violent.

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Like he wouldn't, yeah.

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Suppressed like suppressed emotions that you didn't process correctly.

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The only emotion that you think is acceptable is anger and that's been shown by the stepfather.

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Like again, it's that thing like when you love someone, this is what you do.

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You know, and when you like, when you love that person back, that's what you do.

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Or if you have any feelings about anything at all, it's okay to get like pissed off and

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like enraged, whatever.

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But it seemed like by all accounts, Todd was really clingy with Regina, his mom.

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It was like super clingy.

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Again, I wonder why?

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Because the stepfather was abusive to both of them.

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So it was around this time when like Todd was probably eight, nine, he insisted that he

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wanted to go live with his biodad.

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He wanted to go find his biological father and he wanted to live with him.

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And he probably didn't care even at that age what that looked like.

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You know, he's also a kid.

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So by the time Todd had actually started elementary school, so again, this was during all this

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time, kind of backtracking a little bit, so five, six, seven, he had begun to have outbursts

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of aggression and he showed violent tendencies towards other children.

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He even destroyed a school property when he was having his outbursts.

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Like five and eight.

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Five and six.

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Five to eight.

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And he was in elementary school.

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What the hell?

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So again, I keep saying this, but like that's what he's been shown.

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And it's only, again, you'll see like there's kind of a pattern.

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It's when he doesn't get what he wants.

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And so that's the thing is like he feels like if he, he was taught that his stepfather probably

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got everything that he wanted because he had violent outbursts and he learned that that's

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how you get things.

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That's not how fucking life works.

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Sorry about that.

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But to be taught that at such a young age.

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But from all accounts again, like he's freaking out over simple shit, right?

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So at age nine, Todd had actually been placed in a psychiatric facility.

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At nine.

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For his behaviors.

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How about trying to like love him a little bit?

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Maybe that would help.

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He's probably not mentally ill.

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I mean, and if he is, it's, I don't know.

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But at nine.

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At nine.

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I know.

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It's horrible.

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So here Todd had spent three and a half months in the psychiatric facility.

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And it was then discovered that he had what was described as quote, an explosive temper,

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And it was also realized that he was quote, preoccupied with sexual thoughts and desires.

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At nine.

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Was he though?

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This is what this says.

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Now, okay.

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So again, psychologically, we know that when we, you and me, and probably a few listeners

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out there know that when things like that are happening, it's usually because there

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was some sort of a sexual trauma at some point.

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Of course.

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He's been exposed to something like that.

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I mean, kids do not think of things like that on their own until like, I think age 13 is

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like when you start to come into your realization about the other opposite sex and stuff like

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that, like sexually, you know.

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That's really young.

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There's another explanation as well.

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They never say that that is what happened.

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And he never admitted to something like that.

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At least not from what I read, which again, I try to do really thorough research.

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The only other thing is that there's that, they call it something, is it the Odysseus

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complex?

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Odyseus complex.

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The Odyseus complex where it's like you fall in love with your opposite sex parent.

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And I think maybe that's something that might have happened here.

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Yeah, but sexually though.

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The Odyseus complex, I get what you're saying, but it usually also doesn't really manifest

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into a sexual thing until you're older.

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So still, even if it was Odyseus complex at nine, it would probably be just like infatuation,

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like love, not like, you know, sexual.

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The only thing I can think of, and this is just speculating, maybe his parents were very

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open about sex and they, I mean, there's a lot of cases we hear where parents don't give

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a shit about having sex in front of their kids, you know, and maybe that's where he

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got that exposure.

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I mean, you never know.

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And then you're only going to find out as much as he's willing to admit.

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The stepdad sounds like a piece of shit.

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He probably groped.

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So after Todd had his little stent there, he actually went back into public school and

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it was reported that he would begin to hit other children, like punch other kids.

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So whatever they did or didn't do didn't help.

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So he actually on the bus once got into a small disagreement with a girl on the bus,

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he stabbed her in the legs with a pair of scissors.

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In the legs?

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In the leg.

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I said legs.

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I was like, plural.

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Leg is, no.

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What the hell?

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But yeah, because he upset her.

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I'm, because she upset him.

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He upset her and then he stabbed her.

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No, that's so awful.

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He was upset by something that she had said.

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Oh my God.

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So around this time, we're going to see this come in like already.

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Todd had began abusing neighborhood animals.

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Oh, and he's how old is like 10?

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He's probably nine or 10 of this.

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Yeah, probably 10 because I think when he went into this facility, it was late.

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I remember the McDonald's triad, we talked about one of those three things is harming

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animals.

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So you would actually hunt down neighborhood dogs with a BB gun.

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Just dogs indiscriminately, not just that they were like stray dogs, but like people's

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dogs.

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I'm, you can't see my face listeners, but I have my jaw to the floor because a BB gun

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is that's very, very vocal because that's not going to kill them.

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Yeah, it's going to harm them.

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That's so sad.

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So we would hunt down dogs with a BB gun.

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And at another point, he actually killed the family goldfish.

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Oh no.

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Do you want to know how?

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Oh no.

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Did he eat it?

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He put bleach in the water.

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Oh my God.

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That is so fucking wrong.

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Do you want to know why?

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Why?

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Because he's a fucking little shit.

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Why?

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He wanted a gerbil and his stepfather said he couldn't have a gerbil because he already

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had a pet.

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The goldfish.

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So he killed the goldfish to get a gerbil.

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Well, so he's going to kill the gerbil to get a cat next to something?

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Oh my gosh.

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Todd's stepfather later described Todd as quote, only being capable of anger.

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It seems like it.

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And you know, I don't want to feel, I don't not want to feel bad for the kid because it,

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again, it seems like a lot of nurture, but this is outrageous.

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Like these are, I mean, that's violent, violent acts at a very young age.

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Again, I want to like reiterate the fact that like, this isn't like the mid 70s, late 70s,

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like probably late 70s, maybe early 80s at this point.

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I mean, this isn't the 1920s or the 1930s where these warning signs aren't there.

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Like these are warning signs.

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Well, the parents obviously didn't give a shit.

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No.

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They definitely didn't, but then maybe she was too, I mean, we see it too in situations

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like this where she's in an abusive relationship, a toxic relationship.

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She's going to preoccupy all of her time with that we saw it in Richard Chase.

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Yeah.

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Remember she got therapy for herself and not for him.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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She was like, okay, I need something to realize.

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I'm fucking up my child.

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Yeah.

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But I mean, yeah, I think, I think it's hard for the moms a lot of this time.

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And again, I, I feel like we're getting there as like a community of women to like stand

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up for ourselves now and be able to talk about things.

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I mean, it still happens.

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It's never going to go away.

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I don't think.

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Yeah.

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And, but I feel like at the time it's like, it was hard for a woman to be a single mom

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with children and raise the kids and, you know, and things like that.

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And not feel like you need to rely upon a male figure or whatever to help with that.

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So yeah.

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Oh, that's awful.

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This is not going well so far.

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So entering his teenage years, Todd's anger only increased of course, because he's not

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being treated.

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Yeah.

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In one instance during an argument, Todd would actually destroy his own bedroom with a claw

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hammer after begging his mother to go stay with his bio dad.

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Where did he get a claw hammer?

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First of all, second of all, they don't care.

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They got shit everywhere.

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Okay.

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How old is he at this point?

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That's teenage.

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He's probably like 13.

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Yeah.

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And you know, the most fucked up part I think is that it's not like he can just call up

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dad and, and have dad come get him.

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He doesn't even know who this person is.

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And so the fact that she's withholding that information is like, yeah, I don't want to

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say it's abuse, but it's kind of, it's fucked up.

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So it got so severe that he actually threatened to kill her and his stepdad if he didn't live

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with his dad, his biological dad.

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In 1982, Regina would actually leave Todd's stepdad, which is good, right?

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You're like, yay, okay, abusers out of the house.

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Maybe things can turn around.

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But Regina couldn't at this point really provide for him.

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So he's like, she's like, yeah, I'll send you over there with your bio dad.

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Okay.

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Bio dad lives in Arizona.

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So the following year, he starts living with his bio dad.

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And it would actually just prove to further like fuel his rage because his biological

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father is absolutely obsessed with guns and women.

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Great.

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It's coming from all angles here.

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This guy like literally doesn't have a chance.

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Like does not have a chance.

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Because honestly, I'm, yeah, I want to feel bad for him really bad for the kid, you know,

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just because he literally got the worst of the shit into the stick.

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So at first Todd started working odd jobs.

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He tried to stabilize himself while he was living with his dad, but his dad was never

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around.

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His dad was always out drinking or have like, party with friends and with girlfriends and

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all that sort of stuff.

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So he felt kind of cheated.

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He's like, I came all the way out here to live with you and to get to know you.

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And it turns out you're a piece of shit too.

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So um, yeah, it really sucks.

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I feel like he went out there to like change his trajectory, you know, and yeah, like he

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tried to get like his little self help as he like could think of.

335
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Yeah.

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Todd would actually be quoted in saying that his dad shared his obsession of guns and how

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to quote, blow things up and make bombs.

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Great.

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He's a teenager by the way.

340
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So he's creating a terrorist.

341
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Yeah.

342
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Wow.

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I was like, maybe he'll have a better life with dad.

344
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Yeah.

345
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He wouldn't be on this podcast if he had, well, you know.

346
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Yeah.

347
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The end of the story is that everyone's fine.

348
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That's the end of the story is that everyone survives and everyone's fine.

349
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Yeah.

350
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We can go home now.

351
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Yeah.

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Literally.

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So feeling more and more like he was being neglected by his father, Todd did express

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several times that he wanted to go live with his mother again.

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And during this time his mom had moved from Florida to South Carolina, I'm assuming because

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there was probably more support there.

357
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Yeah.

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She's a single person.

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At this point, he knows, obviously he knows his mom.

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He's old enough to maybe contact her on his own.

361
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Yeah.

362
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So I mean, I hope he does that.

363
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Go ahead.

364
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So yeah, he did express that he wanted to go stay with his mom, but in several contacts

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that he had with his mother, his mom would always try to come up with some type of an

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excuse to not have Todd back.

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That's so awful.

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I don't know what her status was over in South Carolina particularly, but I mean the kid

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was a fucking hellion.

370
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Yeah, but like, and now he's like a young adult, you know?

371
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Yeah, I get that.

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However, you know, I don't think the approach you should take is, oh here, let me just send

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you somewhere else to live with your father so I don't have to deal with you.

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It's like, hey, let me like maybe get you some professional help.

375
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Yeah, it would be my first thought.

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And then not like, oh, I can't have you back because you're having a miserable time over

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there like sorry, you know?

378
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Yeah.

379
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No, like these parents.

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You realize they want to come home.

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If you don't want to be a fucking parent, don't be a parent.

382
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Like there's, I mean, they don't want to be a parent and they're not being parents.

383
00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,360
Exactly, but I'm saying like if you don't make the kid go through something like that,

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put him for adoption.

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Todd would actually have his first stint in prison while living in Arizona.

386
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Okay.

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And I don't know if, like he was necessarily arrested, I mean, clearly he had somewhat of

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a record because he was in psychiatric treatment for violence and things like that.

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But I don't know if he was actually arrested for anything like major before this.

390
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Okay.

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If not, this escalates very quickly, by the way.

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So he was 15 at the time and he decided to kidnap a 14-year-old girl that was, I'm assuming

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in the neighborhood.

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It's unclear whether or not he knew this girl like from school or anything like that because

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her identity has never been released.

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Okay.

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So he went to her house, threatened her life with a.22 caliber gun, walked her from her

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place to his place and content warning.

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There he tied her up, taped her mouth and then sexually assaulted her.

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Oh my gosh.

401
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At 15?

402
00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,080
Yeah, he was 15.

403
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Yeah, and she was 14.

404
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And where are you learning this, not learning, but where do you get that from?

405
00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:22,560
Exactly.

406
00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:23,560
Where do you get that idea from?

407
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Yeah.

408
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Is your father doing things similarly to that?

409
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Yeah.

410
00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,840
Or saying that it's okay to take what you want?

411
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And that's what I'm saying.

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It's like for the sexual assault, that's very like, again, we talked about that, that is

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like a sign of someone being sexually abused themselves.

414
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That's what I'm saying.

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He had to have been exposed to something sexual.

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He never says it.

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He never talks about that.

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Not to say it didn't happen.

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But yeah, but I mean, it would at least be based on patterns.

420
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So he did eventually walk her back to her house and he did threaten to harm her siblings

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if she ever spoke about it.

422
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Oh my gosh.

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That's so scary.

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And at 14, you're like, I'm not going to fucking say a word.

425
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Yeah.

426
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Like I'm not going to get anyone else in trouble.

427
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,440
This was somehow reported to police.

428
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And again, I don't know exactly how they found out if she said someone or if someone saw

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them together or whatever.

430
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But the police were notified.

431
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So Todd was actually apprehended and interrogated.

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And under interrogation, Todd had admitted to his crimes.

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He claimed that the crime was actually uncontrollable.

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He said that this is not something that he had under control or that he was in control

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of.

436
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He said that he had committed these crimes because he wanted to get back at his father

437
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for not paying enough attention to him.

438
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That's the way to do that.

439
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Because if like, look at what I'm capable of when you're not watching me, you know?

440
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Ew.

441
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,560
Like that's basically what he said.

442
00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:45,560
That's so fucking gross.

443
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Like I'm not under any supervision.

444
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So it's like I'm uncontrollable.

445
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Bullshit.

446
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Yeah.

447
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,200
So it seems like he, again, he wanted to, it's weird because it seems like he wanted

448
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to cover his tracks because he did threaten her.

449
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So it's like, did you want to get caught or you didn't want to get caught?

450
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Yeah.

451
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It's kind of confusing, right?

452
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:06,560
So of course, Regina, Todd's mother, like runs to his defense and she writes a handwritten

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note to the courts saying that Todd did have full knowledge of what he did and that he

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was highly remorseful from his actions.

455
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Oh no, she gives a shit.

456
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See, and this is what I'm saying.

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It's like, it's got to be a mom complex.

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Like it's such a mom complex.

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Todd would be tried as an adult for armed kidnapping and sexual assault.

460
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Because of the severity.

461
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As he should.

462
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Yeah.

463
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So the judge knew of his kind of standing record of the violent tendencies and, you know, his

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stint in psychiatric, a psychiatric facility.

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And that's why he went ahead and chose to try him as an adult.

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The judge was quoted in saying, quote, 25 months of the most intensive and expensive professional

467
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intervention will not provide protection for the public.

468
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And that, quote, no rehabilitation of this juvenile by any services or facilities presently

469
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available in juvenile court could help him.

470
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Okay.

471
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So that's the end of the case there.

472
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He was in prison for the rest of his life.

473
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You would think so.

474
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,400
Well, he said 25 months of.

475
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,880
So the maximum penalty for a juvenile would be 25 months.

476
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:07,880
Yeah.

477
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:08,880
Right.

478
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:13,520
So Todd did take a guilty plea and that was in exchange for the drop of the sexual assault

479
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charge because he probably knows even at 15 that sexual assault charges could be detrimental

480
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to him in prison.

481
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,720
Then don't fucking commit a sexual assault.

482
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:27,720
Then don't do it.

483
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Right.

484
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So he was guilty of one charge of kidnapping and he was sentenced to 15 years in prison

485
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and had to register as a sex offender in lieu of the sexual assault charge.

486
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:39,080
Ew.

487
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,720
But he went to fucking prison.

488
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:41,720
Good.

489
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As he should have.

490
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:43,720
I'm sorry.

491
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:48,280
Like, so in 1987, Todd was actually given a psychiatric evaluation where he was determined

492
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to have a higher IQ than average.

493
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His IQ was 118 with the average intelligence being about 100.

494
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So it's pretty high.

495
00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:59,080
The evaluation, unfortunately, also determined that he suffered from antisocial personality

496
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disorder.

497
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,080
Wow.

498
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,080
That really figures.

499
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,160
I couldn't have fucking told you that from like the whole part of this, the first part

500
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of the podcast.

501
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:13,640
So Dr. Roger Martig is the psychologist who evaluated Todd and he said that Todd quote,

502
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:20,760
demonstrates episodes of ignoring or distorting reality and regularly uses protection defense

503
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mechanisms and the presence of degrees have an impaired sense of reality.

504
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,040
That sounds like antisocial personality disorder.

505
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,040
That's a mouthful.

506
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:35,000
Cole had, quote, excessively strange impulses and feelings and quote, and has, quote, limited

507
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,280
capacity to tolerate unpleasant effects.

508
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,280
End quote.

509
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,880
But, okay, yeah, that makes sense because he burst out in anger all the time.

510
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:43,880
Right.

511
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,040
So he stated that Todd's condition could evolve into, quote, emotional deterioration in the

512
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,720
future or continued aggressive behavior towards others in the future.

513
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:52,720
End quote.

514
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,160
So keep him in prison forever.

515
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,480
Despite all of this, Todd actually earned himself a bachelor's degree in computer science

516
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,800
and while he was in prison.

517
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:00,800
Wow.

518
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,160
And in 2001, he was released from prison.

519
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,160
Why?

520
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:10,120
Which is pretty much, like it was pretty much the 15 years that he was supposed to be in

521
00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:11,120
there.

522
00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:12,120
Okay.

523
00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:13,440
First of all, that's ridiculous that he only got 15 years.

524
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:18,720
First of all, the fact that people are evaluating and saying he is going to continue to harm

525
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,720
others, why would you at least not keep him instituted in a mental health?

526
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,600
Well, that was the psychiatric evaluation.

527
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,120
However, by all accounts, in prison, he was like a pleasant person.

528
00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:29,120
Oh, he's a goody two shoes.

529
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:30,120
Of course he fucking is.

530
00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:31,120
He has antisocial personality disorder.

531
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:35,080
Well, not only that, he probably had structure for the first time in his entire life, you

532
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,080
know?

533
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,880
Yeah, that's a good point.

534
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:38,880
He didn't have to work.

535
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:39,880
He didn't have, you know what I mean?

536
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,080
Like he, he just studied.

537
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,120
And that's something that he was clearly very good at.

538
00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:45,760
And that's what we saw in the craft case too.

539
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:50,640
I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that without the structure, things quickly

540
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,720
go down hill for him outside of prison.

541
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:53,720
Sure.

542
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:54,720
Go ahead.

543
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,000
So pretty much as soon as he was released, he went to, because again, this is in Arizona.

544
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:04,400
So after serving 15 years, he went to South Carolina to be with his mom.

545
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,080
So he's probably like almost 30 at this point.

546
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,400
Yeah, I think so.

547
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,680
So he actually started working in computer programming and he did that about two, for

548
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:13,680
about two years.

549
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,040
And then he actually wanted to go back to school because again, what we were talking

550
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:23,680
about in the Randy Kraft case that he kind of relied, like Kraft did, relied on his intelligence

551
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,000
and the fact that he was a military guy, like, you know, and that that's what felt normal

552
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,000
to him.

553
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,000
Yeah, and they should have used it for good.

554
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,000
Right.

555
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,000
Yeah.

556
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,000
He used your powers for good.

557
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,000
Yes.

558
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,840
So he did go back to school and he got a secondary bachelor's degree in science with a major in

559
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,920
business administration and marketing.

560
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:38,920
Okay, cool.

561
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:39,920
Right.

562
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:40,920
Doing some good stuff.

563
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,040
So all throughout school, people described Todd as a very smart individual with no violent

564
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,080
streak to speak of, like at all.

565
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:52,560
Todd was actually able to lie about his record and his sex offender registry on a real estate

566
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,520
license application and he actually received a real estate license.

567
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:01,200
So with this, Todd was able to build a firm of more than a dozen agents in his firm.

568
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,200
Good for him.

569
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,200
Yeah.

570
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,200
I mean, kind of.

571
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,520
So he was also recognized as one of the top agents in the Carolina region.

572
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,320
So he was really successful at doing this.

573
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,960
Todd went ahead and bought his own house.

574
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,360
So he was doing really well.

575
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:18,440
Todd also was able to acquire a private pilot license, which is interesting.

576
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,720
He also purchased several properties outside of this out of state properties.

577
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,240
So he was managing certain properties for his real estate business.

578
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,240
Yeah.

579
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,240
I mean, that's not cheap.

580
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,240
Yeah, it's really not.

581
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:34,800
So in May, 2014, he actually purchased a nearly 100 acre land property and it was actually

582
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,840
located outside of Moore, the town of Moore.

583
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,160
And the property was about like $300,000.

584
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,160
So it was a pretty big property.

585
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,720
But it was, I mean, that seems reasonably priced for that much.

586
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,720
But it was like, again, out in the middle of nowhere.

587
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,920
So he actually set in a fence that fenced around the property and that cost $80,000.

588
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:55,920
Wow.

589
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:56,920
$80,000.

590
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:57,920
Yeah.

591
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,440
So again, it's kind of like an interesting little tidbit.

592
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:03,520
Yeah.

593
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,000
But clearly he cherishes his privacy.

594
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,000
Oh, yeah.

595
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,520
And also, it seems like everything's been going really well for him for a long time.

596
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,000
And it almost seems like, I mean, this could be a movie because it seems like his demons

597
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,000
are going to get the better of him.

598
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,000
Yeah.

599
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,000
Like eventually.

600
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,000
Yeah.

601
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,000
And this is 2014.

602
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,000
I mean, that's not that long ago.

603
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,000
Yeah, it's not.

604
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,840
So Todd's friends around this time had actually described him as a very hardworking individual.

605
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,200
But that he was also kind of creepy.

606
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,320
Okay.

607
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:35,400
So it was nothing ever so serious, but they never wanted to end a friendship over.

608
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,600
But that he was just kind of like off.

609
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,600
Yeah.

610
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,200
Like he was just odd.

611
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:46,240
So a client of Todd's actually said that he was extremely outgoing and professional

612
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,760
throughout her time of trying to sell her house to him.

613
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,320
Although he did mention several times that he was a big gun enthusiast and he would make

614
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,880
sexual any windows during their conversations.

615
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:57,880
Ew.

616
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:58,880
Like get fucked.

617
00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:59,880
That's gross, right?

618
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,520
That's so fucking gross.

619
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,520
So another.

620
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,520
Sorry.

621
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,240
I get mad when someone calls me like sweetheart or like honey.

622
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,640
I'm like, don't fucking call me that.

623
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,640
I'm super sweetie.

624
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:09,640
Yeah.

625
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,640
It's got to be stuff like that.

626
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,640
Right.

627
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:12,640
Like it's just a sweetie.

628
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,000
So on another account, it actually come from a woman who was an assistant to an employee

629
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,000
of Todd's.

630
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,000
Okay.

631
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,360
And she described Todd as an angry man who was super condescending to her.

632
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:24,360
Okay.

633
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:26,400
We haven't heard this anger aspect come in.

634
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,160
Not in a while.

635
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,600
So he would just get like impatient and yell at people like his agents.

636
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:33,600
Old habits.

637
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:34,600
Yeah.

638
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,560
So there was actually another account of someone that worked for Todd saying that they would

639
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,000
often catch Todd watching porn at work.

640
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,200
Not looking good for Todd.

641
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,440
Not looking good for Todd.

642
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,440
Not looking good.

643
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,440
Hey, I'm Todd.

644
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,440
You were doing so well.

645
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,440
I know, right?

646
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,880
Maybe he was doing that this whole time and people are just now starting to get in.

647
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,960
Todd was also known to frequent a waffle house where his behavior disturbed the waitresses

648
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,240
so much to the point where the male cooks actually had to take his order.

649
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,800
Fuck, I love waffle house though.

650
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,360
I've never been to a waffle house.

651
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:05,360
It's so kind of a lie.

652
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,360
Really?

653
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:07,360
So good.

654
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:08,520
But no, that's really fucked up.

655
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:13,760
Also, like I highly, highly support places that are like, no, get out of here.

656
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,760
You know what I mean?

657
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,960
But the fact that the guys were leading us up in was, I guess, too.

658
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:17,960
Yeah.

659
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,200
But they, you know, they definitely should have kicked us out.

660
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,480
So actually one of the waitresses that worked there was a one Megan Lee McGraw-Coxey who

661
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,560
would eventually become one of his victims.

662
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,640
Oh no.

663
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,440
So he was eventually banned from the waffle house.

664
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,440
Wait, he's a killer?

665
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,440
We're getting there.

666
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,760
No, the podcast is called Diagnosing a Killer.

667
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,720
Oh wait, he killed someone.

668
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,440
I didn't see that coming.

669
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:47,840
Yeah, so this is all like this kind of like linear type story.

670
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:53,600
And so we were in 2014-ish around the time where he bought the property, but now we're

671
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,960
going to backtrack.

672
00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:01,160
So it was after he was out of prison, after he had moved to South Carolina, and he had

673
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,240
been out of prison for about five years at this point.

674
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,240
Okay.

675
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,960
So in 2006, Todd decided to purchase a motorcycle in Chesney, South Carolina.

676
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,520
He chose to go into superbike motorsports, and after many visits to the shop, Todd eventually

677
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:18,080
bought a bike, only to try to return it shortly after the fact.

678
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,080
Okay.

679
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,960
According to Todd and Todd's mother, when he tried to return the bike for a full refund,

680
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,560
claiming that he no longer wanted the bike, the staff laughed at him and accused him of

681
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,600
not being able to handle or ride the bike.

682
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,720
Oh, no, you don't want to make fun of that guy.

683
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,720
Right?

684
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,240
So upon hearing this, Todd had made up his mind.

685
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,560
Oh my God, no.

686
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,160
He did leave that day, but on the 6th of November he returned.

687
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,600
He entered through the back of the shop, shooting the first person he saw, which was a 26-year-old

688
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,320
mechanic named Chris Sherbert.

689
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,840
Wait, this was all like way before he bought the property and everything?

690
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:51,840
Yeah.

691
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:52,920
And no one fucking knew?

692
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:53,920
No one knew.

693
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,400
Well, let's get there.

694
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,680
Oh my God.

695
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,400
He then made his way through the shop, shooting and killing 52-year-old Beverly Guy, who was

696
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,480
the shop owner's mother, and she was the shop bookkeeper.

697
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:05,480
Oh my God.

698
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,920
Shot her in the main showroom.

699
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:13,120
He then shot service manager Brian Lucas, who was 29, and he was trying to make his way

700
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,480
through the front doors.

701
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,720
Oh, that's so scary.

702
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,280
Todd then took his last victim, who was in the parking lot.

703
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,400
It was the shop owner who was trying to escape, and this is in the parking lot.

704
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,360
Can you imagine being in the parking lot so close?

705
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,280
He was 30-year-old Scott Ponder, so each victim had received an additional shot in their

706
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,160
foreheads before Todd left the scene to ensure that they were dead.

707
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,160
Oh my God.

708
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,240
So this was never released to the public during the investigation, and would go unsolved for

709
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,840
13 years.

710
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,840
How?

711
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,640
There's no cameras or anything in that shop?

712
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,640
I don't know.

713
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:49,640
Maybe not in 2006.

714
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:50,640
It's 2006.

715
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,640
No, that's, I feel like that's, you know, it's not like it's the 20s, like you said.

716
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,040
It's not like it's the 20s.

717
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,040
Oh my gosh.

718
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,040
It just was never solved.

719
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,240
I think because of the randomness of it.

720
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,600
They probably investigated other family members.

721
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,640
They probably investigated friends or whatever.

722
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:14,560
The only person that had any information on it was actually Scott Ponder's wife, the owner,

723
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:20,240
shop owner's wife, that said that a man who would eventually fit the description of Todd

724
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:26,520
Colheb, that there was an angry guy that would come in and just argue with people.

725
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,840
And so that was, but that was the most that she knew.

726
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,440
She didn't really, I don't know if she even gave a description.

727
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,960
She just said it was probably this guy, but they, I mean, that could be anybody.

728
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:35,960
Yeah, exactly.

729
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,960
Oh my God.

730
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:37,960
That was a twist.

731
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,680
I did not know you were going to say that.

732
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,960
So that was in 2006.

733
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:50,320
So in 2016, 10 years later, after dating for a few months, Kayla Brown and her boyfriend,

734
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,400
Charlie Carver decided to move in together.

735
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,920
Falling on hard times, Kayla had made the decision to approach an old acquaintance of

736
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,880
her then ex-boyfriends who was a real estate agent.

737
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:06,120
And this was knowing that he probably needed help cleaning up houses for sale, knowing

738
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,920
that this man usually would hire people to clean real estate, like clean up houses for

739
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:11,920
him.

740
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,000
So Kayla got into contact with Todd Colheb.

741
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,320
However, after being hired, Todd decided to employ both Charlie and Kayla on his personal

742
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:26,880
95 acre property, saying that they could stay there and things like that to help clean up

743
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,240
brush.

744
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,440
After some time in late August, Charlie's mother couldn't get a hold of her son.

745
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,400
She tried calling several times with no answer.

746
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,160
A concerned friend even went to Kayla and Charlie's house several times with no answer.

747
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,520
On September 5th, the family had gained access to the couple's home and found their beloved

748
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,680
dog with no food or water.

749
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:52,400
So this was like, this was probably like a week after they were last spoken to on the

750
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,400
phone.

751
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,920
I think it was Kayla's mom that spoke to her on the phone on August 31st.

752
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,360
It was nearly starving to death, but the dog was fine.

753
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,200
Oh my God, that's so sad.

754
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,520
Kayla's mom was actually quoted in saying that, quote, the dog is her baby, she would

755
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,000
never leave him like that.

756
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,000
They loved that dog.

757
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,980
So it was then that Kayla's family was actually reported her missing at this point.

758
00:33:13,980 --> 00:33:20,760
So about the same time Charlie started posting on his Facebook, leaving milestone posts that

759
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,760
he and Kayla were expecting a baby and that they chose to purchase a house in a different

760
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,440
town and that they were also planning to be married.

761
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,320
Oh yeah, that's not them posting those things.

762
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,080
He also started randomly posting messages that didn't sound like him.

763
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:40,080
On one time, a post simply read the lyrics to the Eagles Hotel California.

764
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,680
Last thing I remember, I was running for the door.

765
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,720
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before.

766
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,520
Relaxed for the night man, we're programmed to receive.

767
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,360
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

768
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,720
Okay, that's eerie as fuck, but good as fucking song.

769
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,880
There were unsettling memes with dark quotes.

770
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:03,280
There was one with a Joker, like it's a cartoon Joker and it's like where he's running his

771
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,280
fingers.

772
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,880
I think it's from Hush.

773
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,440
Somebody help me with that, I think it is.

774
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,360
But the quote said, if I weren't crazy, I'd be insane.

775
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,200
And after all of this suspicious behavior on Charlie's Facebook, friends and family became

776
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,440
increasingly concerned.

777
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,440
Yeah, yeah.

778
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,080
And they're responding at this time saying like, dude, where are you?

779
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,840
The police are looking for you.

780
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,240
All this stuff.

781
00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:28,800
And then people started becoming so suspicious that they were like, this is the person that

782
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,360
killed them.

783
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,360
So yeah.

784
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,360
That's what I think.

785
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,360
Yeah.

786
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,360
That's where my mind's going right now.

787
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,400
So again, becoming increasingly concerned, the family filed warrants to obtain records

788
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,240
on the Facebook accounts of both Charlie and Kayla.

789
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:43,240
They wanted to know.

790
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:50,240
So on October 5th, almost a month after filing with Facebook to get these records, they actually

791
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:53,440
gave copies to the police, the transcripts.

792
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,040
They actually found messages being exchanged between Kayla, Charlie, and Todd.

793
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,960
So they're like, dummy, right?

794
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:00,960
Yeah.

795
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:01,960
Dummy.

796
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:07,200
So Todd had also been sharing things on his Facebook, liking and sharing the couple's

797
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,040
missing posts from their family's posts.

798
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,040
Yeah.

799
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,040
What a fucking asshole.

800
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,040
Asshole.

801
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,480
And he was like, oh, if I ever go missing, do this with my body.

802
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,440
If I ever go missing, like how do people go missing?

803
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,440
Like things like that.

804
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,440
Yeah.

805
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,320
What a fucking cock.

806
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,200
So police had actually obtained telephone records of the couples, and it actually traced

807
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,560
them back to the property, and they had never left.

808
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:38,360
So they knew that since August 31st, the couple had never left the property, not even to go

809
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,040
shopping, because their phones were on the property.

810
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,880
So realizing that they needed a question, Todd clearly, they located his property.

811
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:51,400
On November 3rd with search warrants, the police came onto the Todd Colehead property.

812
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,960
Since they had ample evidence that Kayla and Charlie were living on the property, it became

813
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,600
a welfare check.

814
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,240
So they're like, regardless of whether or not we can search all your shit, we need to

815
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:02,400
make sure that these people aren't on your property somewhere.

816
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,920
So before the police arrived at the massive property, they had already decided to split

817
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,920
up and search the property, like different portions of the property, because it's so

818
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:09,920
massive.

819
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:10,920
You ready for this?

820
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:11,920
Mm-hmm.

821
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,920
Am I?

822
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:13,920
I don't know.

823
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:14,920
I don't know.

824
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,760
When the police walked onto the front yard of Colehead's house, they questioned him outside.

825
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,400
When police explained to Todd that they were following a lead to a missing person's case,

826
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,720
he responded with, oh, you're trying to find the girl.

827
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:26,000
The girl?

828
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,160
One of the detectives actually corrected him and said, we're looking for a couple.

829
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,360
Who's this girl?

830
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,560
The police told Todd that they wouldn't be leaving until they received some information

831
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,760
and his cell phone.

832
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,840
And at that point, they didn't let him go inside by himself.

833
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,080
They were like, we're going inside with you.

834
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,840
He's like, let me just grab my phone real quick.

835
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,400
Shuffle his shit around or try to leave.

836
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,960
So officers followed Todd inside and meanwhile, investigators on the other side of the property

837
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:54,200
while driving down a dirt road came across a two-story shed or garage type looking thing.

838
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:59,960
It looked like a, I mean, our next door neighbors have it, but it's like an apartment above

839
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:01,640
like a garage.

840
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:07,480
So inside they found a bed and there was actually shackles that were placed strategically along

841
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,480
the walls and on the floor.

842
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,040
So he like built this with that intention?

843
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,800
Well, we'll see.

844
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,160
In the bathroom, however, in the trash can, officers found auburn colored hair clippings

845
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,240
that were similar to Kayla's hair color.

846
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:24,920
So they continued down the dirt path, right?

847
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,360
They found they took all that evidence and everything like took pictures.

848
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,920
They go ahead and they head back, keep going down the dirt road because they haven't found

849
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:33,920
anyone yet, right?

850
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,320
But now they have suspicions to believe that like Kayla is somewhere.

851
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,000
They continued down a dirt path until they came upon another shed or like kind of like

852
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,000
a barn thing.

853
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,560
It was smaller than the other one.

854
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,200
But next to that was a shipping container.

855
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,320
And as they approached the shipping container, they began to hear strange noises.

856
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,000
Loud bangs could be heard coming from inside the container with a woman's voice crying

857
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,000
out.

858
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,640
Sorry, so I heard something behind me and it scared me because it's what story?

859
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,640
It's creepy.

860
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,080
So yeah, a woman's voice could be heard screaming from inside the container for help.

861
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:11,120
The container was locked shut with five gigantic padlocks, big ones.

862
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,160
I'm talking like the size of like softballs.

863
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,160
Oh my gosh.

864
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,360
Like five of them all along the edge of the shipping container.

865
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:25,680
So it actually took police to saw off the door of the container to access her.

866
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,320
So when they opened it up, it looked like it was used for storage.

867
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,880
There was like giant cases of water bottles.

868
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:36,720
There was bag of like feed and other supplies that you would use just on a 95 acre property.

869
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:42,600
But in the back, Kayla was there and she was exhausted and traumatized.

870
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:43,800
Content warning.

871
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,960
She was chained with her neck up against the wall so she couldn't even lay down if she

872
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:49,960
wanted to.

873
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:50,960
Yeah.

874
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:51,960
Oh, that's so awful.

875
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,120
It's really sad.

876
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,280
And she was actually given a dog bed for comfort.

877
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,560
So she was sitting in a dog bed.

878
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,520
As officers started to free her, she was actually really alert and talking.

879
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:07,640
She was telling officers when asked about the whereabouts of Charlie, she said, quote,

880
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,920
he shot him.

881
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,280
When asked to repeat herself, she responded with Todd Colhap shot Charlie Carver three

882
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:20,120
times in the chest, wrapped him in a blue tarp, put him in the bucket of a tractor, locked

883
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,800
me down here and I never seen him again.

884
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,720
She followed with, he says he's dead and buried.

885
00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:29,640
He says there's several bodies buried out here and that the dogs would be ruined if

886
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,880
they go looking because there's red pepper.

887
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,360
Oh my gosh.

888
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,080
Meaning cadaver dogs wouldn't be able to go through the property and find bodies.

889
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,880
By the way, this is all in 20 seconds of hurt.

890
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,360
They're actively trying to take this chain off of her neck and she says all of this information.

891
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:47,360
Smart girl.

892
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:48,360
It's 20 seconds.

893
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,080
She wanted to get as much information as possible out there.

894
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,080
Just in case.

895
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,080
You never know.

896
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,080
Yeah.

897
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,080
So she said all of that again.

898
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,880
Like I said, she was coherent and she just wanted to give as much information as possible.

899
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,520
What a fucking badass honestly.

900
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,020
It's incredible.

901
00:40:04,020 --> 00:40:06,320
This is all out there by the way.

902
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:13,320
The videos are free to watch on YouTube because this is all chest cam on the officers.

903
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,040
They recorded everything as they're doing it.

904
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:23,520
So it's pretty incredible honestly to see how coherent she was and when they said, where's

905
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,520
Charlie?

906
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,960
I think he says where's your friend or where's your buddy?

907
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,760
And she goes, he shot him and then they were like, he shot him and he's like, yes, Todd

908
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,840
Colehub shot Charlie Carver and just goes into it.

909
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,040
She's been there for months.

910
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,540
Who knows how malnourished.

911
00:40:38,540 --> 00:40:40,680
I think it was about 65, 67 days.

912
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:41,680
He hydrated and everything.

913
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:42,680
Wow.

914
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:43,680
What a fucking badass.

915
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,520
She's such a badass.

916
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,360
So back at the house, mind you, police are with Colehub and they get radio that Kayla

917
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,640
has been found on his property.

918
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,240
Oh my God, does he hear?

919
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:55,240
I don't know if he hears it necessarily.

920
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:59,360
But when confronted by this, he's immediately handcuffed and when asked where Charlie is,

921
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,360
just to ease the search, Colehub lawyers up after denying that he had any knowledge of

922
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,360
her being on the property.

923
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,360
Bull fucking shit.

924
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,360
He's like, I don't know who you're talking about.

925
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,360
I don't know.

926
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,280
You don't know what this actual whole ass person that is chained in a fucking thing on your

927
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,280
property.

928
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,280
Right.

929
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,560
So police eventually found Charlie's car and it was ditched on the property.

930
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,840
He had tried to conceal it, of course, because he's an idiot.

931
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,800
Tyler revealed in the ambulance ride on the way to the hospital that she had, in fact,

932
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,320
been sexually assaulted multiple times.

933
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,680
Oh my gosh.

934
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:35,240
And this is content warning just because of the amount of gaslighting that's about to

935
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:40,640
happen and the amount of mental manipulation and trauma.

936
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,520
So this will be a content warning, especially for me as well.

937
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,880
He had told Kayla that if she had refused sexual contact that he would respect her for

938
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:53,280
a time, but after a while if she didn't eventually give in that he would kill her since she didn't

939
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,280
serve a purpose.

940
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,200
Oh my god.

941
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,960
So it's like, I'm not gonna sexually assault you, but you're gonna have to eventually.

942
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,480
That is so fucked up.

943
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,800
He also told Kayla that she shouldn't worry though because after a while she would eventually

944
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,680
develop Stockholm syndrome and fall in love with him.

945
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,160
That gives me like, that gives me chills.

946
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,160
Like that makes my heart sink.

947
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,600
I wanna throat punch this guy.

948
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:24,560
He had also confessed to Kayla that he wanted to be a serial killer, that he said that he

949
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:29,440
wanted to up his body count into the three digits, meaning that they were already in

950
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,440
two digits.

951
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,440
Oh, really quick.

952
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,720
Can you explain for the listeners what Stockholm syndrome is just in case somebody listening

953
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:35,720
doesn't know what that is?

954
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:36,720
Sure.

955
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:40,720
So Stockholm syndrome is basically, and this is from the Oxford dictionary again because

956
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:42,960
I don't like to mess with details.

957
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,520
I don't want a paraphrase.

958
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:50,400
It is feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases towards a kidnapper or a hostage

959
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,400
taking situation by a victim towards a captor.

960
00:42:54,400 --> 00:43:01,760
So somebody is a victim of human trafficking or kidnapping or hostage situation and they

961
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:08,360
in turn are manipulated to the point where they start to feel affectionate or protective

962
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,760
over their assault, assailant.

963
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,160
Assailant, yeah, absolutely.

964
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:18,280
So he did say that he wanted to up his body count, that he wanted to be a serial killer,

965
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,360
and he also told Kayla that if she cooperated he would teach her how to kill people as well

966
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,520
so that they could be partners.

967
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,120
This isn't fucking Bonnie and Clyde you asshole.

968
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,640
That's what he thinks.

969
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,640
Also he's already a serial killer if he's in the double digits, so I don't know why

970
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:32,640
he said he wanted to be a serial killer.

971
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,640
Right, that's what I'm saying.

972
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:34,640
He's a fucking idiot.

973
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:35,640
I think he's, yeah, I think he's bullshitting.

974
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:36,840
Yeah, he probably is bullshitting.

975
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,280
So he did claim that he had killed many people before and that he killed for the government

976
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,400
and that he was contracted by the military to kill people.

977
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,600
Bullshit.

978
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:52,720
And that he said that after his stent of working for the government that this is how he survives

979
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,200
now, like he's like Dexter or some shit.

980
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,200
Ew.

981
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,200
Yeah.

982
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,200
Like he thinks that, yeah.

983
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,960
Git literally fucked.

984
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:07,760
So during Coleheb's interrogation, Coleheb actually struck a deal in exchange for a full

985
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,360
confession.

986
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,600
He wanted three things.

987
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,800
One, to send a photograph of himself in custody to his mother.

988
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:16,800
Ew.

989
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,840
Two, to transfer funds to a friend for his friend's daughter's college fund.

990
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:22,840
That's really weird.

991
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,680
Why are you all of a sudden doing something nice?

992
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,160
And three, it was to give his mother a phone call.

993
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,160
That's all he wanted in exchange for a full confession.

994
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:37,640
Coleheb detailed his terrible upbringing and began to talk about his crimes.

995
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,720
He first confessed to the multiple murders over at the motorbike shop.

996
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:45,560
A crime that had gone unsolved, of course, at this point was over 10 years.

997
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,400
The police knew that he was telling the truth because he had said that he did, in fact,

998
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,640
shoot the victims in the forehead, which again was never released to the public.

999
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,240
Yeah, they like to leave out little details like that so that they'd know that whoever

1000
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:59,480
is telling them their confession, if it's genuine or not.

1001
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:08,160
He confessed then to killing Charlie because he had quote, a smart mouth.

1002
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,760
He then said that he hated that and he said that he didn't want to harm Kayla because

1003
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,880
he felt like she was really nice and that she didn't do anything wrong.

1004
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,400
I probably have a smart mouth too if you fucking kidnap me against my will.

1005
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,560
You piece of shit.

1006
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:26,720
Todd then confessed to killing two more people and those two people were actually found buried

1007
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:27,720
on his property.

1008
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:34,000
So in 2015, this was about a year before he would kill Charlie Carver and kidnap Kayla

1009
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:41,320
Brown, Johnny, Johnny, Joe Coxy and Megan Lee McGraw Coxy were married, a married couple,

1010
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,480
and they were going through hard times.

1011
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,280
The couple had been in jail.

1012
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,720
They did have a history of panhandling and all that.

1013
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:50,040
And then eventually they were expecting their first child.

1014
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:55,520
Unfortunately, the baby was taken away due to drugs being in its system and the baby

1015
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:56,760
entered foster care.

1016
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,000
I mean, better life, hopefully.

1017
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,000
Yeah, hopefully.

1018
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,720
Todd was a frequent customer at the Wawow House where Megan worked and he had tried

1019
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,840
many times to entice her to come work for him on his property.

1020
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,840
After they're sent in jail, Megan and Johnny, she took him up on the offer.

1021
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,720
Even though he was so annoying that they had to have the cooks take his order?

1022
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:20,120
He was going to pay them a lot of money.

1023
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,680
He said that they said that he was a really extravagant tipper and that's why everybody

1024
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:24,680
kept him around.

1025
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:25,680
And I'm not-

1026
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:26,680
She probably knew that.

1027
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:27,680
She was not giving her at all.

1028
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:28,680
No.

1029
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:29,680
Yeah.

1030
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,360
So seeing this as an opportunity to get their feet under him, Todd had offered for them to

1031
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,480
work on the property for money.

1032
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,360
So Johnny was ultimately killed on Christmas week.

1033
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,240
He was shot multiple times in the chest.

1034
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:43,240
Just like Charlie.

1035
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:44,240
Yeah.

1036
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:47,880
Megan was actually kept for six days before her death.

1037
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,040
And she was ultimately killed and shot in the head.

1038
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,640
So Cole gave them literally everything in this interrogation as much as they could.

1039
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:02,760
That really, really resonates with his antisocial personality disorder because I know we kind

1040
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:08,240
of touched on that disorder in a previous mental breakdown, but I like to- and this

1041
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:14,920
is very loose terms, but I like to describe that disorder as someone that genuinely does

1042
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,160
not give a crap at all.

1043
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,160
And that's unfortunately what the disorder does.

1044
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,480
It makes you completely benign to anything.

1045
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,480
Romantic, anger.

1046
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,480
Yeah.

1047
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,200
He does get angry, but as far as the confession, whatever.

1048
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:29,200
Yeah.

1049
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,200
I don't care.

1050
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,200
He doesn't care who his anger affects.

1051
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,200
Yeah.

1052
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,200
Yeah.

1053
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:38,760
So a little interesting thing about Cole Hub, he's actually his, if you were give him

1054
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,080
a moniker, right?

1055
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,200
It was the Amazon review killer.

1056
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,320
Okay.

1057
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:50,760
So a further search into the computer that Cole Hub had, he had a strange habit of reviewing

1058
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,640
the supplies that he bought in order to commit his crimes.

1059
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,280
I was thinking the Amazon River.

1060
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:59,280
No.

1061
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,240
Which makes absolutely no sense.

1062
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:02,240
No.

1063
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:03,240
No.

1064
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:04,240
Amazon.

1065
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:05,240
Like the website.

1066
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:09,800
We don't say their name anymore times because we're just going to give them more money.

1067
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,600
So for example, a padlock review said, quote, works great.

1068
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,880
Also if someone talks back, go old school on them by putting it in a sock and beating

1069
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:19,880
them.

1070
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,960
And then you can appreciate the hardened steel like you will.

1071
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,080
Is that funny at all?

1072
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,080
It's not.

1073
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,080
It's ridiculous.

1074
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,080
Imagine reading that.

1075
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,080
You would think someone was joking.

1076
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,040
I would be like, haha, that's kind of funny.

1077
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,520
You know, if he was joking.

1078
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:35,520
If he was joking.

1079
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:36,520
Oh my gosh.

1080
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,520
What a fucking monster.

1081
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,280
A miniature shovel review.

1082
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,600
Red quote, keep it in the car for hiding the bodies when you left the full size shovel

1083
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:45,600
at home.

1084
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:46,600
Oh my God.

1085
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:52,240
I don't mean to laugh because it's not funny at all, but it's ridiculous and you're laughing

1086
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:53,960
at the ridiculousness of it.

1087
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,200
Imagine seeing that review.

1088
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,240
I'd be like, that's kind of funny.

1089
00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:58,240
LOL.

1090
00:48:58,240 --> 00:48:59,240
You know what I mean?

1091
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:00,240
Haha.

1092
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:05,720
A stun gun quote, seriously, trying to find a reason to zap one of my agents for being

1093
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:06,720
lazy.

1094
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:07,720
This is a zap.

1095
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:08,960
This is a zap.

1096
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,040
It's going to be the office's new motivational tool.

1097
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,040
Oh my God.

1098
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,440
It's horrifying.

1099
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,440
I want to say insane.

1100
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,440
It is.

1101
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:23,440
Wow.

1102
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:24,440
This guy.

1103
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,440
Ballsy.

1104
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,440
Like what?

1105
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:27,440
A knife review.

1106
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,440
Oh no.

1107
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,440
I haven't stabbed anyone with it yet.

1108
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:31,440
Yet.

1109
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,960
But I'm keeping the dream alive and when I do, it'll be with a quality tool like this.

1110
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,400
Okay, that one's a little dark.

1111
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,280
I mean, all of them are dark, but that one's like pretty.

1112
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,280
A chainsaw.

1113
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:43,280
Oh no.

1114
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,680
Works excellent.

1115
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,600
Getting the neighbor to stand still while you're chasing him is hard enough without

1116
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,440
having to do it with an easy to use chainsaw.

1117
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:52,440
Oh.

1118
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:53,440
Yeah.

1119
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,520
So he killed his neighbor too?

1120
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,440
You literally screaming to be caught.

1121
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:58,440
Like that's the thing.

1122
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,440
Actively.

1123
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:04,680
Like just with like the sexual assault from when he was 15, and he was like, oh well,

1124
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,320
I just want to piss off my dad.

1125
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,320
And it's like what?

1126
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,640
Like you don't even care.

1127
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,480
Like you do not even care if you're caught.

1128
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:11,480
No, he doesn't.

1129
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:12,480
Because he doesn't.

1130
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,480
That's the disorder.

1131
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:14,920
He doesn't care about anything.

1132
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,520
You don't care how your actions affect people.

1133
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,320
You don't care for not caring.

1134
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:19,840
Like you don't care that you don't care.

1135
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:20,840
Right.

1136
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:21,840
Yeah.

1137
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,160
So Cole Hub was charged with four counts of murder for the shop murders, one count of

1138
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,800
murder for Charlie, two counts of murder for the Coxys.

1139
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:28,800
And yeah.

1140
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,600
I mean, as he should be.

1141
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:31,600
Yes.

1142
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:36,040
Two counts of kidnapping for Kayla and Megan since it was obvious that she'd been there

1143
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,280
for a longer time.

1144
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,200
It was clearly kidnapping.

1145
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,080
This guy is so fucking narcissistic that Cole Hub represented himself in court.

1146
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,360
Against the judge's recommendation.

1147
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,360
Of course he did.

1148
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,040
I mean, that makes me happy though because I know he royally fucked it up.

1149
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:55,080
So the relatives of the shop murders and Kayla Brown herself each filed civil lawsuits for

1150
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,200
damages against Cole Hub as well.

1151
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,840
And they were in the millions, both cases.

1152
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,960
I didn't get the numbers.

1153
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,440
And he had it.

1154
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:11,960
So on May 26, 2017, Cole Hub pleaded guilty to seven counts of murder, two counts of kidnapping,

1155
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,080
and one count of criminal assault and was sentenced to seven consecutive life sentences

1156
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,000
without the possibility of parole.

1157
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,200
And a plea bargain, it actually spared him from the death penalty.

1158
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,200
Rot.

1159
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,200
Yeah.

1160
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,080
He actually got an additional 60 years for the kidnappings then.

1161
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:34,080
Although his defense swore that out of sentencing there were no other victims, at the time, Cole

1162
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,520
Hub has repeatedly admitted that there was at least two other murders that he has yet

1163
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:38,960
to give any details about.

1164
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,200
Why are you admitting it then if you're not going to give details?

1165
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,600
That's what I don't understand.

1166
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:43,600
It's like the dangling thing.

1167
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,600
Like, I'm going to dangle this over your head.

1168
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:46,600
Yeah.

1169
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:47,720
And you're going to fucking know until I tell you.

1170
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:51,200
So Cole Hub is actually imprisoned at the Broad River Correctional Institution in South

1171
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,200
Carolina.

1172
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,200
He's still alive?

1173
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,200
Yes.

1174
00:51:54,200 --> 00:52:00,120
In August 2020, some of Cole Hub's belongings actually were sold at auction and all of

1175
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,000
the proceeds were donated to the families.

1176
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,000
Oh, that's nice.

1177
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,400
To the victims' families.

1178
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,920
I wouldn't want any of this shit, but that's nice that they did that.

1179
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:07,920
No.

1180
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:08,920
Oh my God.

1181
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:09,920
No.

1182
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:10,920
I wouldn't want any of this shit either.

1183
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:11,920
Yeah.

1184
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:12,920
And the things that were sold, the things that were sold.

1185
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:13,920
Of course.

1186
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:14,920
I'm sure you get animals or something.

1187
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:15,920
Right, yeah.

1188
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,920
Like I'm sure the shipping container is probably destroyed.

1189
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:18,920
Yeah, of course.

1190
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:19,920
Nobody's going to have that.

1191
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:20,920
But yeah.

1192
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,980
So anyways, that is Cole Hub.

1193
00:52:23,980 --> 00:52:25,640
Wow, I've never heard that case.

1194
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:26,640
Really?

1195
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,760
And I'm surprised that I've not heard even anything about it, or it doesn't sound familiar

1196
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,760
because it was recent when he got sentenced.

1197
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:32,760
Yeah.

1198
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:33,760
But wow.

1199
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,080
I mean, antisocial personality disorder and personality disorders in general are not

1200
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,400
all the time genetic.

1201
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,400
Yeah.

1202
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,680
They can be, but also that nurturing aspect of it, I really think it was a case of both.

1203
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,920
And in this case, I think it was nature and nurture.

1204
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:48,920
Yeah.

1205
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:49,920
That got him.

1206
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:50,920
I mean, yeah.

1207
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:56,800
It's, again, like you said, and I don't know what morbid says it.

1208
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,400
You know, it's feel bad for the kid.

1209
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,400
Don't feel bad for the adult.

1210
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,400
Shut up morbid.

1211
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,400
Yeah.

1212
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:02,400
Sponsor us.

1213
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,400
No, it's true.

1214
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:04,400
They have their own sponsors.

1215
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:05,400
They sponsor us.

1216
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,400
All right, my bad.

1217
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,280
I said, antisocial personality disorder at the beginning of this.

1218
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,000
But it was borderline personality disorder.

1219
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,000
Okay.

1220
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,000
So, I mean, pretty similar.

1221
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,000
Yeah.

1222
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,480
And yeah, borderline personality disorder is typified by an unstable or poorly developed

1223
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:24,920
self-image, rapidly changing personal goals, intense but unstable relationships, colored

1224
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:30,680
with needless due to real or imagined fear of abandonment.

1225
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:31,680
I'm saying that a little choppy.

1226
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:32,800
Sorry, you guys.

1227
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,880
You also have an impaired ability to recognize the needs and feelings of others.

1228
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,640
It is associated with an increased likelihood of feeling slighted or insulted, which we've

1229
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,880
seen, impulsive behavior and increased risk taking and hostility.

1230
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:47,880
Okay.

1231
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,360
Which, again, increased risk taking.

1232
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:50,360
Oh, of course.

1233
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,960
He went through that shop and just murdered four people and didn't care.

1234
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:54,960
Just because.

1235
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:55,960
Yeah.

1236
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,840
So, the prevalence of borderline personality disorder in the population is estimated between

1237
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:04,120
1.6% and 5.9%.

1238
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,800
And this disorder is seen more in females than in males, which is interesting.

1239
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:08,800
It's really high.

1240
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:09,800
Yeah.

1241
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,960
And most people diagnosed are women, with 75% being women.

1242
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:13,960
Wow.

1243
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:14,960
It's a lot.

1244
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:15,960
Yeah, that's interesting.

1245
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,080
Well, we'll definitely have to break down like one of the specific personality disorders

1246
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:21,080
in one of our mental breakdowns.

1247
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,080
Yeah.

1248
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,080
Well, we've done anti-social.

1249
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,080
Yeah.

1250
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:29,240
So, I'm saying we can do borderline next time or we can do skit to typo or, yeah, things

1251
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:30,240
like that.

1252
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:31,240
Yeah.

1253
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:32,240
Well, that was, yeah.

1254
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:34,320
I'm, again, shocked that I didn't even know.

1255
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:35,320
That was not even on my radar.

1256
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:36,320
I've never heard of that case.

1257
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,920
So, it is very interesting.

1258
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:38,920
Thank you for sharing.

1259
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,400
Those Amazon reviews, though, like what?

1260
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That is so bizarre.

1261
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It's so bizarre.

1262
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,960
It is, I mean, I've seen funny things like that before, but now I'm like, should I look

1263
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:48,960
into that?

1264
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:49,960
Yeah.

1265
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:50,960
You know what I mean?

1266
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:51,960
Like, reporting these people.

1267
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:52,960
I know.

1268
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,040
Thank everybody for continuing to listen to us.

1269
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,600
We had a little bit of a delay this week, but I hope that you listened to the mental

1270
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,440
breakdown and that you heard that we are having three cases or three episodes this week.

1271
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,960
So, you had the mental breakdown that came out right before this.

1272
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,120
You're going to have this episode and then on Sunday, you'll have a second mental breakdown.

1273
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:07,120
Woo!

1274
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,120
So, I hope you're enjoying these mental breakdowns.

1275
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,120
I mean, I really am.

1276
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,120
I love the mental breakdowns.

1277
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,120
I think my favorite part is the celebrities.

1278
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:13,120
It really is.

1279
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,120
It's so interesting to me.

1280
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:16,120
It is.

1281
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,120
It is interesting.

1282
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:18,600
And yeah, so thank you guys for listening.

1283
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,000
In the meantime, while you're waiting for the new episode, you can follow us on Instagram

1284
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,640
at DiagnosingAKiller.

1285
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,920
We have Patreon at patreon.com slash diagnosingakiller.

1286
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:32,600
We also have Twitter, killerdiagnosis, and you can send us an email if you feel so inclined,

1287
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,320
diagnosingakiller.com.

1288
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,400
And yeah, thank you guys for listening to us.

1289
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:40,400
We love all of you.

1290
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,200
Well, we love you guys.

1291
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:43,200
Keep being amazing.

1292
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,200
Be good people.

1293
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,200
Do good things.

1294
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,200
Do good things.

1295
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,200
Be good people.

1296
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,200
We love you.

1297
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:49,200
Love you.

1298
00:55:49,200 --> 00:56:05,460
Bye.

1299
00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:07,520
you