1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,380 Try again. Hello. Let's see if this is gonna work this time. I feel like the processing time is so much quicker 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,300 Yeah, it doesn't sound like it's what this is gonna drive me crazy 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,360 Fucking nuts 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:19,400 I don't know why it's it's just out of her do that right and now it's all of this out of now all the sudden the cords are everywhere 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,280 The clocks the clock because it's tangled. Maybe I don't know 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:29,500 Oh my god, it's gonna drive me insane 7 00:00:29,500 --> 00:00:31,500 The computer towards me 8 00:00:50,940 --> 00:00:52,940 Hello 9 00:00:52,940 --> 00:00:58,540 Oh, oh witness us in our finest moment so thankful that's everyone we didn't even realize 10 00:00:59,540 --> 00:01:03,080 I'm Koelle. I'm Kenna and welcome back to diagnosing a killer 11 00:01:06,420 --> 00:01:08,420 Cute Casey is texting me 12 00:01:09,580 --> 00:01:11,260 Already I 13 00:01:11,260 --> 00:01:17,260 Usually never have my phone on loud. Oh, I was not on vibrate is like I should turn awesome my thing 14 00:01:17,260 --> 00:01:20,180 I think we should just start this over honestly. So we do have some 15 00:01:20,180 --> 00:01:22,980 News in the true crime world 16 00:01:23,900 --> 00:01:28,700 It was determined today that Brian Laundrie's cause of death was indeed suicide 17 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:35,620 So that's something just wanting to mention because we had mentioned the Gabby Petito case a few episodes back and also 18 00:01:35,620 --> 00:01:39,780 I'm not sure if anybody's been listening to you know, the current true crime stuff 19 00:01:39,780 --> 00:01:45,620 But there was a case in Tennessee in Kentucky where a young boy was taken 20 00:01:45,620 --> 00:01:51,340 Without the permission of the mom by his father and he also had taken his niece 21 00:01:51,340 --> 00:01:55,300 I won't say the kids names because they are minors 22 00:01:55,300 --> 00:02:01,620 But Jacob Claire was the man that took his son and his niece without permission from their parents 23 00:02:01,620 --> 00:02:07,940 their other parent and the nieces parents and we were very concerned we were crossing our fingers and hoping that this would have a 24 00:02:07,940 --> 00:02:09,940 happy ending and it did the kids were 25 00:02:09,940 --> 00:02:17,300 Spotted by a mom dropping her son off at school and she actually at first she said that she wasn't gonna call and she was like 26 00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:20,900 I don't know like I'm a little you know if you say if you see something say something 27 00:02:20,900 --> 00:02:25,540 But still she was like I wasn't sure if it was you know exactly what I thought it was or if it wasn't she's like 28 00:02:25,540 --> 00:02:30,300 But I went ahead and trusted my gut and I called and the police were able to reunite the kids with their parents 29 00:02:30,300 --> 00:02:35,220 So that's really good. We were hoping for that good news and we got it. So I'm happy that they're they're home 30 00:02:35,220 --> 00:02:39,140 I can't imagine how relieved their parents must feel so glad that they 31 00:02:39,140 --> 00:02:41,540 Um got home safely. Yes, absolutely 32 00:02:41,540 --> 00:02:46,860 So I do have a new case for everybody today and Koel doesn't know what it is 33 00:02:46,860 --> 00:02:53,020 And I don't even know if you know this case even if I do tell you the name excited then so I am going to be 34 00:02:53,020 --> 00:02:55,540 I'm up to the challenge about the case of 35 00:02:56,140 --> 00:02:59,540 Zachary Bowen and Addy Hall on October 17th 36 00:03:00,060 --> 00:03:02,060 2006 around 8 30 p.m. 37 00:03:02,060 --> 00:03:10,580 New Orleans police received a disturbing call from the Omni Royal Orleans Hotel a man's body was on the roof of the parking garage 38 00:03:11,100 --> 00:03:16,740 Upon arriving and seeing the body severely mangled. It was very clear that the man had died on impact 39 00:03:17,540 --> 00:03:23,740 Unsure if they had a murder suicide or a tragic accident on their hands the investigators began searching the body for ID and 40 00:03:24,020 --> 00:03:26,540 The man's back pocket they found a note 41 00:03:27,300 --> 00:03:29,300 It said quote 42 00:03:29,300 --> 00:03:34,380 This is not accidental. I had to take my own life to pay for the one I took 43 00:03:34,380 --> 00:03:38,100 If you send a patrol car to 826 North Rampart 44 00:03:38,100 --> 00:03:44,140 You will find the dismembered corpse of my girlfriend Addy in the oven on the stove and in the fridge 45 00:03:44,380 --> 00:03:49,300 Along with full documentation on the both of us and a full signed confession from myself 46 00:03:49,940 --> 00:03:54,980 Zach Bowen. Yeah, I definitely don't know this case. Oh my god. Okay. I'm really excited because that's a lot 47 00:03:54,980 --> 00:03:59,940 It's a lot of information like already, right and you're like what happened like what? 48 00:03:59,940 --> 00:04:04,300 It's actually a body or just sounds like the beginning of an episode of like NCIS. Yeah 49 00:04:04,780 --> 00:04:08,900 So I'm gonna take it way back to when Zach was born. Oh, okay 50 00:04:09,140 --> 00:04:12,060 Zachary or Zach Bowen was born on May 15th 51 00:04:12,620 --> 00:04:18,040 1978 in Bakersfield, California where he spent the majority of his childhood in California for the most part 52 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,980 He grew up is pretty normal. He was a really well adjusted all American boy people would say about him 53 00:04:22,980 --> 00:04:27,820 However, he's noted as being extremely concerned with letting people down throughout his life 54 00:04:27,820 --> 00:04:31,300 Hmm, and he was terrified to come across to anybody as a failure 55 00:04:31,300 --> 00:04:34,820 He was really scared of letting people down when Zach was in high school 56 00:04:34,820 --> 00:04:39,860 His parents actually got divorced paving away for him to spiral into a really bad depressive state 57 00:04:40,540 --> 00:04:43,340 So he decided to give his life a fresh start somewhere else 58 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:49,980 He moved from Sacramento, California where he had been living at the time with his mom in attending high school to New Orleans, Louisiana 59 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:52,100 To live with his father. Okay 60 00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:57,500 Once arriving Zach finished his high school education and proceeded to get a job as a bartender when he was 18 61 00:04:57,980 --> 00:05:02,220 While bartending on Bourbon Street Zach met 28 year old Lana Shoupak 62 00:05:02,500 --> 00:05:07,140 Lana was originally from Florida and worked as a stripper at the time of their meeting. Okay, keep in mind 63 00:05:07,140 --> 00:05:09,660 She's 28 and he's 18. Yeah, a little bit of an age guy, right? 64 00:05:09,660 --> 00:05:15,420 I mean he's an adult but still no Zach and Lana took an immediate interest in each other and began dating pretty quickly 65 00:05:15,420 --> 00:05:21,620 Only after a short time of dating Lana finds out that she's pregnant with Zach's child. Okay 66 00:05:22,020 --> 00:05:24,100 Even though Zach was going to be a young father 67 00:05:24,100 --> 00:05:29,020 He completely embraced the situation and the couple eventually got married. Sure. He's young and dumb. Yeah 68 00:05:29,540 --> 00:05:31,540 Seems like pretty decent so far 69 00:05:31,940 --> 00:05:38,100 When their first child Jackson was born Zach decided to quit his job and better support his family by joining the army 70 00:05:38,100 --> 00:05:39,020 Okay 71 00:05:39,020 --> 00:05:44,940 He later enlisted in the army and served in Kosovo and Iraq tours and during the time in the service 72 00:05:44,940 --> 00:05:49,060 He actually rose to the rank of sergeant. So he was doing pretty well in the military. Yeah 73 00:05:49,420 --> 00:05:52,740 There was a specific incident that it haunted Zach for the rest of his life 74 00:05:52,820 --> 00:05:55,820 He had befriended a young Iraqi boy while he was serving 75 00:05:56,620 --> 00:06:02,380 However, he later found out that the boy was killed days later as punishment for interacting with Americans 76 00:06:02,940 --> 00:06:08,580 So it was really sad. He felt immense survivor guilt and his mental health declined rapidly at this point 77 00:06:09,860 --> 00:06:14,380 So a few years after being on the front lines Zach was generally discharged 78 00:06:14,380 --> 00:06:19,980 So not honorably not not honorably or dishonorably generally because of this situation 79 00:06:20,020 --> 00:06:25,980 This put a lot of stress and sadness on Zach since again a general discharge is not the same as an honor will discharge 80 00:06:26,060 --> 00:06:29,620 He felt as if all of the shit that he had gone through was kind of like for nothing 81 00:06:29,620 --> 00:06:31,380 Yeah, you know regardless 82 00:06:31,380 --> 00:06:36,780 He returns home to New Orleans but begins to have more problems and starts arguing a lot with his wife Lana 83 00:06:37,220 --> 00:06:43,900 Now the tour in the military seemed to take a huge toll on Zach's mental health and he eventually developed PTSD because of it 84 00:06:43,900 --> 00:06:51,140 Yeah, sadly like most military events one source was quoted as saying about Zach and Lana's marriage upon his return quote 85 00:06:51,180 --> 00:06:57,920 According to his wife Lana. He was a completely different person when he returned and they soon faced marital problems and eventual separation 86 00:06:58,260 --> 00:07:02,340 So even though they were no longer together Zach had still had to pay child support at this point 87 00:07:02,340 --> 00:07:08,940 They now had two children together. Yeah, and he actually resumed. Do you have a second baby? It doesn't it didn't say maybe before 88 00:07:09,140 --> 00:07:11,520 So he actually returned to his job as a bartender 89 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,840 Mm-hmm for tourists said like he worked on Bourbon Street again, you know, yeah 90 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,520 Yeah, it's all part of their most of their economy in New Orleans. Yes 91 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:25,880 So after returning to work as a bartender he very quickly meets head new co-worker of his a girl named Addie Hall 92 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:26,520 Mm-hmm 93 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:31,640 Addie was known to many of her friends to be super free spirited extremely creative 94 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:36,360 She originally grew up in the Northeast and she actually came from a really toxic and abusive household 95 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:41,000 But once she moved to New Orleans, she was able to be her own individual really free spirited 96 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:46,080 She actually rode her bike from the French Quarter every day to work and that was her main form of transportation 97 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,280 So like real hippies. Yeah, it's kind of like whatever. She's got a little razor scooter. Yeah 98 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:58,000 She was noted as being artistic in several ways. She was a dancer an artist a poet and a seamstress. Hmm a lot of traits 99 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,160 Yeah 100 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,720 So she lives an independent bohemian lifestyle like I said in New Orleans 101 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,480 But she too struggles with her own mental health and inner demons 102 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:13,040 According to many of her friends. She struggled with undiagnosed bipolar disorder. Oh, wow, okay 103 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:18,200 She was known to get very aggressive and very violent after having too much to drink 104 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:23,520 So she was one of those doesn't mean drunk, but it was like every yeah, you know 105 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,960 She also had a history of being an abusive relationships and of course she was terrified to fall into another one 106 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:29,360 Hmm 107 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,120 So meeting Zach 108 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,720 She was very unsure about him at first as she was one of the only girls 109 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:39,600 Co-workers and customers alike that was not falling all over him. Hmm Zach was a tall attractive man 110 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,280 Everybody wanted to be friends with him. Yeah, everybody wanted a part of him 111 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,240 You know and she was kind of turned off by the idea that everyone wanted him 112 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,480 She's I'm not gonna be you know in the in crowd. Yeah, he's not that great 113 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,640 She doesn't seem like the kind of person that's kind of a follower. Yeah, of course 114 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,480 It doesn't like seems like she like you said she's really free-spirited. Yeah 115 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,200 She eventually they begin talking just you know as co-workers 116 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,660 You can't work with someone and not talk to them and she began to realize that they actually had a lot in common 117 00:09:03,660 --> 00:09:09,420 She started to test the waters by like teasing him in a flirty way to see if he could like handle her 118 00:09:09,420 --> 00:09:11,220 You know, yeah, that she is 119 00:09:11,220 --> 00:09:15,660 Well despite her assumptions Zach was actually really interested in her from the start 120 00:09:15,660 --> 00:09:21,940 Hmm, and he was she was actually the only girl that he was interested in and I guess it was maybe because she wasn't anybody like falling 121 00:09:21,940 --> 00:09:23,940 All over him right no one else. She was the only one 122 00:09:24,660 --> 00:09:30,740 They both shared the same young and crazy lifestyle and they really bonded over it. How old is she? I'm sorry 123 00:09:30,740 --> 00:09:35,220 He's about 27 at this time. She's I think she's very close in age to him as well 124 00:09:35,700 --> 00:09:42,260 So they both loved the nightlife. They loved partying. They both like doing drugs. Of course, they like to drink a lot being bartenders 125 00:09:42,980 --> 00:09:48,100 Being newly single Zach finally felt as if he was able to have fun and let loose with Addy 126 00:09:48,140 --> 00:09:51,820 Yeah, and they're both constantly craving adrenaline and living to the fullest 127 00:09:51,900 --> 00:09:56,660 However, many of their friends thought since they were both constantly fueled on drugs and alcohol 128 00:09:56,660 --> 00:10:01,980 It wasn't going to be a good relationship. Yeah, especially from the start. They were like this is gonna be pretty tumultuous 129 00:10:02,260 --> 00:10:03,980 Now despite their friends judgments 130 00:10:03,980 --> 00:10:09,100 They started their relationship and quickly we're starting to fall in love everything seemed to be going really well for them 131 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:12,900 But keep in mind it's 2005 and they live in New Orleans 132 00:10:12,900 --> 00:10:18,340 Yeah, so Katrina is quickly approaching their city in the days and weeks leading up to Katrina 133 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:22,620 Of course many residents were strongly advised to evacuate because it wouldn't be safe 134 00:10:22,620 --> 00:10:27,340 Yeah, in fact Zach was actually asked by Lana to evacuate with her and their children together 135 00:10:27,340 --> 00:10:31,220 Yeah, make sure that baby daddy's okay. Yeah, he refused 136 00:10:31,860 --> 00:10:36,460 Instead he wanted to stay in the city and ride out the storm with Addy in her apartment 137 00:10:36,860 --> 00:10:40,420 So both of them were going to stay and just kind of let it pass 138 00:10:42,100 --> 00:10:46,620 While Lana of course thought this decision was incorrect and reckless and immature 139 00:10:46,620 --> 00:10:54,380 She wasn't able to convince Zach to leave so Zach and Addy proceeded to stay there embrace the storm together along with other residents 140 00:10:54,380 --> 00:10:55,900 I mean, they weren't the only people that stayed yeah 141 00:10:56,300 --> 00:11:01,140 They spent most of their time doing drugs and drinking once the storm was over it passed 142 00:11:01,620 --> 00:11:05,340 They were stranded in like a little community of people. They had no electricity 143 00:11:05,540 --> 00:11:11,060 No running water no air conditioning and very limited resources. Yeah, of course. It's detrimental that storm 144 00:11:11,420 --> 00:11:14,100 Yet they actually loved everything about it 145 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:17,780 This someone living off the grid post apocalyptic lifestyle 146 00:11:17,780 --> 00:11:23,540 Hmm, they would actually go into like abandoned bars together and like gather the alcohol so that they could make cocktails for people 147 00:11:23,540 --> 00:11:27,820 What yeah, and they would make cocktails in exchange for people's like food and water 148 00:11:27,820 --> 00:11:29,620 So they were kind of like bartending without water 149 00:11:29,620 --> 00:11:31,820 Land yeah 150 00:11:31,820 --> 00:11:36,300 They would light debris and mattresses on fire in the street to cook and stay warm at night 151 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:42,180 Mm-hmm, and everyone that was left behind in New Orleans was having like a big old camping trip pretty much like in their city 152 00:11:42,180 --> 00:11:43,820 Well 153 00:11:43,820 --> 00:11:45,820 This is all fun and games. This is cool 154 00:11:45,820 --> 00:11:50,740 But what happens if something bad happens and they need assistance, right? There's no, you know, emergency services 155 00:11:50,740 --> 00:11:56,180 Yeah, I don't by any means want people to think that we're saying that like oh what a fun time 156 00:11:56,340 --> 00:11:59,420 No, of course. Yeah, I mean it's not like it was a camping trip 157 00:11:59,420 --> 00:12:06,340 Of course if course, but that's how they perceived it right. Yeah, and they were trying to make a what is that the best of a bad situation 158 00:12:06,340 --> 00:12:12,820 Yeah, yeah, so there were police around I don't want to say emergency services, but there were police in case of emergencies 159 00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:17,560 Well in order to keep the police in their area and coming around 160 00:12:17,740 --> 00:12:22,780 Addy would just flash them her breast when they would drive by so that they would continue to come by 161 00:12:22,780 --> 00:12:24,780 Oh my god, it kind of works 162 00:12:25,580 --> 00:12:27,260 patrolling the area like 163 00:12:27,260 --> 00:12:34,300 Yeah, they actually had so much like presence favors, you know all the things they were doing it actually caught the attention of the media 164 00:12:34,300 --> 00:12:38,820 Hmm the couple was even featured in several newspapers including the New York Times 165 00:12:39,100 --> 00:12:45,340 What people were actually describing them as the quote king and queen of Hurricane Katrina survivalists god 166 00:12:45,340 --> 00:12:51,240 How does that not feed an ego right and there was so many pictures if you google their names the first thing that pops up are 167 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:56,580 These pictures really yeah, go ahead and of course at this point. They were head over heels in love with each other 168 00:12:56,580 --> 00:13:01,180 Yeah, this literally brought them this closest days ever ever been look 169 00:13:01,180 --> 00:13:05,940 This is a picture of them out there in the whole camp. Yeah, yeah, they have to be around the same age 170 00:13:05,940 --> 00:13:12,180 I would think yeah, they ultimately decided this is the way they want to live their lives no rules party whenever no 171 00:13:12,580 --> 00:13:17,060 Responsibility, you don't have to pay for anything children though. He's got two kids 172 00:13:17,060 --> 00:13:23,380 You can't just like not just like oh, I love this life. No responsibility. He thought he could that's awful 173 00:13:23,420 --> 00:13:29,580 Now they thought this whole experience was an adventure and if anything they didn't want civilization civilization to ever return 174 00:13:29,580 --> 00:13:34,100 Yeah, but eventually of course the city slowly started to repopulate build itself back up 175 00:13:34,100 --> 00:13:37,100 Mm-hmm as they progressed again to civilization 176 00:13:37,100 --> 00:13:41,900 And their relationship began to take a downward spiral because they're no longer able to do this free spirit 177 00:13:41,900 --> 00:13:45,540 Do whatever the hell we want yeah, flash your car returning to normal every time that they 178 00:13:46,900 --> 00:13:48,980 Know flash flash cops 179 00:13:48,980 --> 00:13:53,460 Flash their cocks 180 00:13:55,660 --> 00:13:57,660 It's like they're flashing their car 181 00:13:58,900 --> 00:14:01,340 No, I funny no flashing the cops 182 00:14:02,420 --> 00:14:06,060 So their relationship was quickly becoming very toxic 183 00:14:06,060 --> 00:14:09,100 Mm-hmm neither of them were ready to start facing the real world again 184 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:11,300 They didn't want to pay bills follow a routine go to work 185 00:14:11,420 --> 00:14:18,740 They just wanted to camp out in Louisiana whatever go out to the mountains right Zach of course like we said no longer wanted a co-parent 186 00:14:18,740 --> 00:14:23,100 He never wanted to play pay child support or even deal with his ex-wife Lana. That's awful 187 00:14:23,100 --> 00:14:28,500 On the other hand adi didn't want those responsibilities that came with Zach the kids and all that stuff 188 00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:35,820 Yeah, she only wanted him not his life. Does that make sense? Yeah, so at this point the honeymoon phase quickly ended 189 00:14:35,820 --> 00:14:40,620 She didn't want the responsibility right yeah, it's like stupid because you knew what you were walking into yeah 190 00:14:40,620 --> 00:14:45,380 And on top of this they were both using an extreme amount of drugs and alcohol 191 00:14:45,380 --> 00:14:51,860 Yeah, still one of their friends who actually went by the nickname squirrel said he supplied both of them during this time with a steady 192 00:14:51,860 --> 00:14:57,340 Squirrel yes, okay, he said he supplied both of them during during this time with a steady stream of cocaine 193 00:14:58,220 --> 00:15:02,940 Yeah, cocaine to any situation like that. Yeah, especially when people are avid drinkers 194 00:15:02,940 --> 00:15:09,420 Yes, and according to a lot of their friends. They said that they were constantly arguing and complaining about the other person to like their friends 195 00:15:09,660 --> 00:15:11,660 So yeah, it's one of those relationships 196 00:15:11,660 --> 00:15:18,740 So their fights became much more explosive when the couple had a lot of physical and altercations 197 00:15:18,740 --> 00:15:23,380 Yeah, they were also noted as being in a constant cycle of breaking up and getting back together 198 00:15:24,380 --> 00:15:30,940 Unfortunately, they were still both hooked on chasing the highs and lows of frequently pushing the other one away and then chasing them back down to get back together 199 00:15:30,940 --> 00:15:35,900 They like liked that they like thrived on that. Yeah, there's no there's never a dull moment 200 00:15:35,900 --> 00:15:40,620 Yeah, so after a few months of this this abusive and toxic relationship the 201 00:15:40,620 --> 00:15:46,020 Relationship state completely deteriorated. Mm-hmm Zach wanted out for good 202 00:15:46,020 --> 00:15:49,080 But Addy tricked him into giving her one final chance 203 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:56,100 I think before this they were living together and he was I think I heard somewhere and on another podcast I listened to that 204 00:15:56,340 --> 00:15:58,540 He was trying to hang out with the kids 205 00:15:58,540 --> 00:16:04,460 But Addy like didn't want to be in the Atlanta wasn't comfortable with the kids being with him and Addy unless she met Addy 206 00:16:04,460 --> 00:16:09,060 Yeah, okay, like let me hear her and then we can exactly let me meet her and then I don't care 207 00:16:09,060 --> 00:16:12,940 You can have the kids over but then Addy like met her and was like so nice like oh my god 208 00:16:12,940 --> 00:16:16,340 I'm so excited to see the kids and then when the kids came over she like completely ignored them 209 00:16:16,340 --> 00:16:19,780 It was like rude to them and stuff. She didn't want his life like we said 210 00:16:19,780 --> 00:16:23,420 Yeah, it sounds like I have heard that where significant others 211 00:16:24,140 --> 00:16:32,020 Won't let their partners see their own children because those children come from a previous relationship and you're so controlling 212 00:16:32,020 --> 00:16:36,280 Yeah, you like every time you see that kid it reminds you of which is like 213 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,680 Partner amateur yeah, like children are individuals as well 214 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:46,720 Yeah, like just because they can't help where they biologically come from yeah screams your insecurities 215 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:53,080 Yeah, absolutely like you should only be supportive of the fact that you know that your partner is half of those children 216 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,320 Yeah, yeah, so like I had said Zach wanted out of the relationship 217 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,600 But Addy tricked him into giving her a final chance 218 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:05,200 So she asked him if he wanted to start fresh with her and move back into an apartment together 219 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:10,240 So she was gonna she's like, okay, we're gonna put everything away and passes to pass. Let's start over 220 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,840 Is she gonna get a job this time? She had an ulterior motive 221 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:20,240 Okay, they walked down Rampart Street and came across it for rent sign an apartment above the famed voodoo temple at the time was 222 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,880 Immediately available and with months worth of tits in their pockets because they had both returned to work as bartending 223 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:30,120 Okay, as bartenders. Yeah, they made an offer right away and they moved into a 26 north Rampart. Oh 224 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:38,520 Remember for the beginning. Yeah, it was foreshadowing and you didn't even know it Zach actually paid the first two months of rent in advance 225 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:44,240 And the lease was put in both of their names. Okay. Well, the scrimmy matches continued, of course 226 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,240 Yeah, and Zach actually became unfaithful 227 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:52,600 So he was known around the quarter for his looks like I said didn't have a problem with little flings with yeah around 228 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,000 This was the last straw for Addy 229 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,320 And again, I told you that he paid two months rent in advance 230 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:04,400 Mm-hmm. She went to the landlord a few days later and put the lease in her name only and kicked Zach out later that night 231 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,760 Well, how can she do that? 232 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:13,600 So she had asked him to remove Zach from the lease the landlord refused it advised her to work out her issues with the boyfriend on her 233 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:18,960 Own yeah, so maybe she just told him that she put it on her name only and you like you have to leave because you're not alone 234 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:25,600 I see yeah, but the the conversation with the landlord which was unfortunately the last time that anybody saw Addy alive 235 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,080 Damn 236 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,880 Once Zach learned of this of course, he was very angry and became inconsolable 237 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,680 Yeah, pretty quickly getting scammed and kicked out of his apartment was his final straw 238 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,440 So she said that she wanted to like make everything better 239 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,880 She got she they found the apartment Zach was like oh, yeah 240 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,080 Like we'll have everything work out like we'll get an apartment together 241 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,920 She knew that he was gonna do that like she paid for the apartment 242 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,880 Yeah, like she got she told him that she wanted to work things out knowing that he had enough money to pay for rent in advance 243 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,560 And then she knew what she was gonna do like as soon as the rent was paid 244 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:04,840 She was gonna tell him to fuck off. That's awful. I mean, she doesn't deserve to get killed for it 245 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:10,540 But yes, it is well, no, but you know, yeah, it's fucked up so toxic on 246 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,160 Yeah, now remember like I said Zach had been diagnosed with PTSD 247 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:21,040 And at this point he was brutally abusing all types of drugs and alcohol. Yeah, this was a recipe for disaster 248 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:27,040 Yeah on the 9th of October 5th 2006 Zach returned to the apartment to wait for Addy 249 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,600 I guess she had gone out to get something and upon her return. There was a heated argument 250 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:40,080 Zach strangled Addy to death in the apartment in his own words. He quote calmly strangled her until she died 251 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,960 Jesus, yeah, it's horrifying 252 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:49,440 When he killed Addy, he was both in a very intoxicated state as well as reaching a boiling breaking point in his 253 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,040 mental health 254 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:56,400 After Addy was gone Zach actually committed necrophilia and fell asleep next to her corpse 255 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,040 Bukh, I know 256 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,800 When he woke up he got dressed and ready for work like it was a normal day 257 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,520 Leaving Addy's body in the apartment eventually in the following days after her murder 258 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,400 He had a very disturbing strategy when it came to disposing her body content warning 259 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:18,000 He brought her body into the bathtub and started to cut her apart using a knife and a hacksaw 260 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:24,720 And these parts of her body that were cut were put in pots and pans and then stored in the fridge on the stove and in the oven 261 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:30,880 What police originally thought that this might have been linked to cannibalism, but they weren't able to prove that 262 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,160 I mean, I'm sorry to go back to it, but like 263 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,840 It's on top of a voodoo shop. Yeah, like that's 264 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,640 Scary that'll come back around and I know 265 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:46,000 It became clear to police after you know, Zach's suicide. They looked at his digestive system 266 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:51,200 There was no human remains or flesh. So the only purpose of the dismemberment and the pots and pans 267 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,240 I guess was disposal. Yeah, this sounds really grotesque 268 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,040 I don't know. Was it on like the oven? 269 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,400 Okay, well there it has been instances where people do that where they cook 270 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,200 People just to dispose of them. I I do believe that it was 271 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:13,200 It was on or it was on at some point. Yeah, maybe not when police arrived. There was a potential for that 272 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:19,200 Yeah, I think that he brought I mean, I don't know the fact that he left out there and then went you know and 273 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,240 Killed himself that she died on October 5th and they didn't find him till October 17th 274 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:30,720 So he was like two weeks. He must have I'm sorry, but he must have sobered up and been like the fuck am I doing? 275 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:31,840 Like yeah 276 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,120 Now during this time between Addie's death and Zach's death 277 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,680 They said a lot of his friends said that he started to act very strange and was a lot quieter than normal 278 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:44,880 Since they had a lot of mutual friends, of course people start asking where the hell she went 279 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:50,400 Yeah, and Zach was so inseparable. He would just say that she went back to North Carolina where she was originally from 280 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,800 Some friends were surprised by the answer because they were like what others not so much because she was such a free spirit 281 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,840 Yeah, I mean I could see I could see it. Yeah and her bipolar disorder made her very unpredictable 282 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:07,520 Right, so it seemed fitting to people that during this time in their relationship that she would run back north, you know 283 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,600 But obviously this is like let me come check out your new apartment. Yeah 284 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,720 I don't know like I don't know there are people again. There might have been suspicions 285 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,760 It's like when we talked about the Kristen Gilbert case like there was suspicions 286 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,640 Nobody ever really wants to believe that. So it's kind of like 287 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:28,320 Oh sure drugs are going missing however, like oh, you're the angel of death 288 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,840 Yeah, so obviously this is all a lie and Zach knew exactly what happened 289 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,720 Um, he finally came to a realization about what he was doing and completely fell apart 290 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:45,200 Yeah, he metaphorically and physically beat himself to death over feeling no sense of empathy when he murdered his girlfriend 291 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,320 He felt he felt shitty for not feeling shitty. Yeah 292 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:51,120 It was at this point where he truly let go 293 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:57,520 Uh days before taking his own life. He went to the absolute max level when it came to partying 294 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,240 He went into overdrive. He spent thousands of dollars at this trip club drinking doing drugs 295 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:08,080 He slept with multiple people multiple prostitutes other women. I mean, he probably knew it was gonna kill him. Oh, of course 296 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,960 Uh, as soon as he spent the last of his money 297 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,600 He went to the rooftop of the Omni Royal Hotel on the 17th of October 298 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,880 He opened up a tab on the roof bar rooftop bar and drank to the point of being blackout drunk 299 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,880 The security cameras at the hotel actually captured him approaching the terrace and looking over it several times 300 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,440 He was like contemplating. Yeah 301 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,200 Finally, he drank a final drink and then threw himself to his death 302 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:40,320 The police also noticed that Zach's body was covered in bruises that didn't look like they correlated with his jump. Yeah 303 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,800 Um, it turns out 304 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,000 In one source it said that the bruises were self-inflicted 305 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:52,560 One account said they were bruises, but another one said that they were cigarette burns. Hmm. There was 28 to be exact 306 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:58,320 As they represented every year that he was a failure. That's a quote from his confession 307 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,320 Wow, he was 28 years old 308 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,520 I just got like the heaves in the jeeps 309 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,320 Yeah, that's horrible 310 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,920 Now I'm gonna go back to right after the police find this note and then we're gonna go from there 311 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,760 Police of course rushed to the address listed and came upon 312 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:23,760 Something out of a horror film. Yeah in order to prevent Addy's remains from decomposing slower and not smelling the temperature 313 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,920 And the apartment was turned down to 60 degrees 314 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:31,040 So it was like a he did that on purpose the police said that the temperature and smell felt similar to a meat locker 315 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,920 Wow, the bathroom was cleaned of Addy's blood 316 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,240 And Zach had spray painted his thoughts across the walls of the apartment 317 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,440 With statements such as quote. I love her 318 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,080 Quote, I'm a total failure 319 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,680 and quote 320 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,680 Look in the oven 321 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,840 Isn't that so 322 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,080 I hate that everything about that. I have 323 00:24:54,080 --> 00:25:00,240 Full body goosebumps right now. There were instructions to call Zach's ex-wife Lana and tell her that he loved her 324 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,360 One message on the wall directed them to the stove 325 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:09,680 Content warning on the stove in a pot on one of the burners was a human head burned beyond recognition 326 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:17,840 In another pot were hands and feet and inside the oven in a large roasting pan where arms and legs also burnt 327 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,360 On a pan 328 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:29,040 Investigators noticed that there appeared to be seasoning on the limbs and on the counter next to the stove were cut up potatoes and carrots 329 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,520 Inside the refrigerator a large plastic bag. They found the torso 330 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:41,520 As horrifying as this was for police they would soon find even more disturbing evidence in Addy Hall's journal 331 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:49,600 Here police found an eight page confession letter written by Zach. The full confession letter is actually not available to read online 332 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:55,040 Um, but I do have some excerpts from it in the letter Zach explained that he'd quote always known 333 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,840 He was a terrible person and his actions scared him 334 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,920 He said he knew that he had to take his own life in order to pay for the one that he took 335 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,720 So I am going to read an excerpt from the letter quote 336 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:14,400 Today is monday 16 october 2 a.m. I killed her at 1 a.m. Thursday 5 october. I very calmly strangled her. It was very quick 337 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:21,600 Halfway through the task. I stopped and thought about what I was doing the decision to halt the first idea and move to plan b 338 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,800 The crime scene you are now standing in came after a while 339 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,640 I scared myself not by the action of calmly strangling the woman 340 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,480 I've loved for one and a half years and then desecrating her body but by my entire 341 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,880 Tire lack of remorse. I've known for forever how horrible of a person I am 342 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:43,280 Ask anyone and decided to quit my jobs and spend the 1500 cash I had being happy until I killed myself 343 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:50,240 So that's what I did good food good drugs good strippers good friends and any loose ends I may have had 344 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:56,800 I didn't contact any of my family so that'll explain the shock and I had fantastic time living out my days 345 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,280 It's just about time now 346 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,080 Isn't that so haunting that is haunting and eerie and terrible 347 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,400 It's not hard like I don't like I feel badly for it. It's like 348 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:13,760 Like you want to like you almost feel bad for feeling bad like you want to you want to hate him for what he did 349 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,360 But you're like right that guy was hurting so fucking much. You can tell 350 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,680 So I have a little bit of aftermath here. That's that's the whole case 351 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,960 But I have a little bit of aftermath less than a decade after the murder 352 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,400 A woman named Mary quote voodoo queen Milan 353 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:35,120 Leased the building on rampart street and set up shop as quote bloody Mary haunted museum and tour 354 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:44,080 For a fee visitors are let into the bowen hall apartment to view the very stove and fridge where adi's remains were found 355 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,960 That's horrifying. Oh my god. This woman. Why wasn't that removed? 356 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:56,880 Reports are that the apartment was decorated like a horror film complete with fake blood splashes and a bright and groomed set of 357 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,880 Chucky dolls 358 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,280 This like pisses me off this pisses me off too one friend of the couple called 359 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,320 It quote despicable and atrociously exploitative 360 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:13,920 Milan defends her tours saying that it educates people about the crime and is quoted as saying it'd be stupid to pretend 361 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,240 They weren't here. She said detractors are jealous. They didn't do this first 362 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,960 Ew 363 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,000 literally 364 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,160 However, her website doesn't directly mention the crime scene though Yelp reviews 365 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,960 Definitely confirmed that it's still there and people are very excited to see it. I know 366 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,680 There's no way it's the same stove. She probably put in a new stove and then said that 367 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:41,680 And when she literally go upstairs was like here's $5,000. I want to buy this apartment as is. I mean 368 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,480 Maybe 369 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,360 I wonder if there's spray paint on the walls. Work your shit out on your own. You probably feel as guilty as fuck 370 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:55,040 Now in 2017 the TLC series paranormal lockdown actually did an episode inside the apartment 371 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,120 Which notably was no longer decorated like a low budget horror film 372 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,720 The investigators how is that not exploitative? 373 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:11,600 I don't know the quote unquote investigators reported sensing a cold draft despite the windows being closed and a quote unquote presence in the bathroom 374 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,640 There's a 375 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,280 It's called an air conditioner. Yeah, and the presence is probably a mirror in your crew 376 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,800 But go ahead the our apartment goes down to 60 degrees 377 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,400 That's one of the features that you'll see on the air 378 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:34,400 So coming full circle, of course what makes this case, you know kind of tug on your heartstrings if you will is that it could have been completely preventable 379 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:42,400 Yeah, both of their mental health source at such low points that they became an aggressor for the other person like they were feeding off of each other's negative energy 380 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,720 Yeah, they of course both could have gone on to have very successful and happy lives 381 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,520 But the problem was they needed to be apart in order for that to happen 382 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,520 Yeah, that's I mean that's that's absolutely the definition of codependence 383 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,520 Yeah, of course friends of the couple actually described them as normal good people 384 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:03,520 And they said that perhaps Zach just snapped and killed himself because he couldn't live with what he had done which I believe 385 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:10,560 Of course, they said maybe maybe Addie was abusive as had been told and maybe Zach always had demons and they finally caught up with him 386 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,920 But all we know for now is that two young people's lives ended very tragically and their story will live on forever 387 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:23,120 I do think that too. I feel like just what little we've gotten to know about the relationship between Zach and the couple 388 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,920 about Zach Bowen is that he doesn't seem like he was a bad guy 389 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:33,920 It doesn't seem like and again, I'm not saying like he should have if he had lived he should have paid for the crime 390 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,920 Absolutely, I'm not saying that whatsoever 391 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:43,120 But I do feel like that his suicide was a result of the guilt that he felt and not him trying to escape 392 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,120 Yeah, absolutely 393 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,320 And the fact that they both had undiagnosed mental health disorders 394 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,320 I mean, I don't know if Zach's PTSD was ever actually diagnosed or if it was just 395 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,520 We can assume he's seen some shit if he's served overseas 396 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,920 So I wanted to quickly mention a side note of a related case because this does kind of relate 397 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,320 It's another case but it kind of relates to this case 398 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:08,320 So there was actually a documentary done about Zach and Addie as well as other interviews for televisions and online media 399 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,720 And they brought to light a close friend of the couple named Margaret Sanchez 400 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,920 Her tears of devastation at the loss of her quote best friends is unnerving 401 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:26,320 So she actually pleaded guilty and was subsequently convicted in the 2012 deaths and dismemberment of Jaren Lockhart 402 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,320 Who was a Bourbon Street dancer and young mother 403 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,920 So Margaret and her boyfriend who she knew was Alan at the time 404 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:39,120 They actually went to a gentleman's club on Bourbon Street and lured Jaren with the promise of a hefty paycheck for a private performance 405 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:44,720 They took her to their home, stabbed her in the chest, cut up her body and threw it over a bridge 406 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,520 Resulting in her remains washing up on several different Mississippi Gulf Coast beaches 407 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,920 Terry speaks Alan, obviously his name wasn't Alan, he lied 408 00:31:53,920 --> 00:32:00,720 He was a registered sex offender from North Carolina who violated his probation and had a long history that Margaret was unaware of 409 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:07,120 In 2015 he was convicted of second degree murder following a trial where he fired his attorneys and took his own defense 410 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,520 Idiot. Yeah, that totally works. Always works 411 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:18,720 So Margaret Sanchez was later sentenced to 40 years plus 20 for a second degree murder charge as well as obstruction of justice and conspiracy to commit murder 412 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,320 And she claimed that she was like really good friends with Zach and Addy? 413 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,320 Yeah, she's like best friends with them 414 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,320 So they were- Was that true? 415 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,320 Yes, so here I'm getting here 416 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:35,120 Margaret and Terry aka Alan were identified in the surveillance video dated June 6, 2012 from the club that Jaren worked at 417 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:41,920 One of the employees of the club first reported Alan, Terry, as he recognized him as a previous employee at the club next door 418 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,920 And remember Jaren leading with him and another woman later identified as Margaret Sanchez 419 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:51,520 The video was broadly distributed on local news channels and Margaret's own brother actually reported them to the authorities 420 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,720 LOL 421 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,720 So six days later on June 12th, the couple was arrested at a traffic stop near their home 422 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,920 When she was interviewed, this is where it comes full circle, she said that she was aware of the dancer's demise 423 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,520 And since it was broadcast on the local news, she was like, oh, I didn't have anything to do with it 424 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,320 But I know who she is because it was on the news or whatever 425 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,120 It was on the news, yeah 426 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,520 She's related that it was similar to how her best friend died and said quote 427 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,920 I feel so bad for her family because I had a friend. My friend was Addy Hall 428 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,520 She was cut up and was cooked and her boyfriend jumped off a hotel 429 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,120 She sounds like the most compassionate person 430 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,920 They're trying to play her out to be like an emotionally vulnerable woman who said that she loved her boyfriend 431 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,720 And he took care of her needs and as far as she was concerned, he was a good man 432 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,920 But when she found out about who he really was, she said quote 433 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,920 I feel betrayed heartbroken. I mean my life was shit when I met him 434 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:48,720 So the reason I bring this up is because obviously this Margaret lady is dumb and full of shit because she helped him commit the murder and like childless person 435 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,920 But these deaths are frequently compared 436 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:58,720 These cases are frequently compared the two tragedies of the French Quarter that of Zach and Addy and Jared Lockhart 437 00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:59,520 Interesting 438 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,320 Yeah, so I just wanted to mention that briefly. We might we might do an episode on that case 439 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:10,720 But that's the case of Zach Boan and Addy Hall. It was a little bit of a I guess mini episode but yeah 440 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:17,920 I tiny really enjoyed listening to that case and I just thought it was very fitting to what we're talking about 441 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:25,120 Because of the mental health aspect of it and Zach P.T. with her PTSD and then Addy with her bipolar diagnosis or undiagnosed bipolar 442 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,120 But isn't that wild? 443 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:27,920 It is wild 444 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:36,720 Like I mean I feel I feel so badly for both of them and we don't want to feel bad for the killer but we feel bad for the mental influence 445 00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:42,720 Yeah, and clearly it was sounded like a spiral that they couldn't get out of and that's really yeah 446 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:49,920 I mean even in situations like that like I feel like friends could have kind of spoken up or said something 447 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:56,320 I really feel like maybe at least Zach might have been receptive to the idea of maybe getting help 448 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,320 Honestly like I mean again like I've been in a domestic violence situation 449 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:10,320 And I don't feel like a lot of people said anything while I was in it and I feel like if someone had then I might not have been there for five years almost 450 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,320 So yeah, I wonder about that 451 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:22,320 If they had had somebody to tell them like or be like hey like we're really concerned for you guys like we want you guys to be safe and figure 452 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,920 Figure all this out whether that means they're gonna be together or not you know 453 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:45,920 And it truly is it really resonates with the whole like you know you can you can do everything right like Lana you know she did everything that she could while still being able to take care of her children properly to help Zach and unfortunately in cases like that if someone's not willing to help themselves and there's really not much else you can do 454 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,920 Except for offer them those resources and hope that they take them you know 455 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:59,920 So I think we will get more into PTSD I think I'm gonna do that for my next mental breakdown so I'll definitely go into that a little bit more in depth in the mental breakdown but 456 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:07,920 Thanks for listening I think this is one of my I don't want to say favorite cases that sounds bad but this has been one of my favorite ones to research into 457 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:15,920 Yeah and to explain for everyone so yeah I think we're probably done 458 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:21,920 Sounds good yes all right well thank you all for listening 459 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:35,920 Yeah oh yes we can you can follow us on Instagram at diagnosing a killer we have Twitter at killer diagnosis we also have a patreon setup patreon.com slash diagnosing a killer we got our second patreon it's me 460 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:47,920 You can email us at diagnosing a killer at gmail.com if you want us to cover a specific case please let us know or if you want us to do a specific diagnosis for mental breakdown please let us know as well 461 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:57,920 We're now on audible Amazon audio we're on Google podcast so anywhere you listen to podcast we are actually on now I said that I won't keep up with you until it was incorrect 462 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:07,920 But yeah please give us a follow give us a subscribe share us tell your friends tell your friends and yeah we'll see you guys next time 463 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:31,920 All right love you bye