1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,120 Dun-nun-nun-nuh. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:02,520 Ba-dun-nun-nun-nuh. 3 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:03,360 Beep-beep-beep. 4 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:04,960 I believe in miracles. 5 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:05,960 Ha ha. 6 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,560 Where you from? 7 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,040 You're so fine. 8 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:10,040 Sorry to learn. 9 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:12,040 Hello. 10 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:13,040 Hello. 11 00:00:13,040 --> 00:00:14,040 I am Kenna. 12 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:14,720 I am Koelle. 13 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:15,520 And Kenna. 14 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:16,520 Kenna. 15 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:17,200 Always. 16 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,040 Still sick over here. 17 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,360 Welcome back to diagnosing a ke-la. 18 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:23,040 Yeah. 19 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:23,880 Do you like ke-la? 20 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,360 I know. 21 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:25,880 Mmm. 22 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:26,640 That kawafi. 23 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:27,280 I know! 24 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,040 I was just a little slay-na. 25 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:30,640 I was just coffee. 26 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:31,640 The kawafi. 27 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,000 I feel like my teeth are jittering. 28 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Jittering. 29 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:54,840 I like that. 30 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:55,440 I like that a- 31 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:56,440 Oh-oh-oh! 32 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:57,440 I like- 33 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,160 When you're like- 34 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,160 When you're like- 35 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,600 When you're walking towards somebody but you don't know which way to go and you're like- 36 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:04,600 I was like- 37 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:05,600 I can forward. 38 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,080 Oh, I'm still in that. 39 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,160 The white side of me always goes, it was lovely dancing with you. 40 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,160 Oh my god. 41 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,160 Oh my god. 42 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,160 Shit, why people say. 43 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,160 That's so funny. 44 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:21,800 Alright, I think we are getting back into Randy Kraft Part 2 today. 45 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:22,800 Part 2. 46 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,760 So, we did go over the, you know, his kills. 47 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,680 And when he ultimately got cut and I think we're talking about the trial. 48 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,200 So yeah, the first episode was mostly all victims. 49 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,200 I mean, it's- 50 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:35,880 It was a doozy of victims. 51 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:36,880 For sure. 52 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:41,160 I hope everybody enjoyed our little blooper reel at the end. 53 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,200 Just some harmless bloopers, but that was such a heavy episode. 54 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,200 I think that everybody that stayed through it deserved that little bit of comedic relief. 55 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:49,200 It was good. 56 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,120 It's funny to hear all of those things in a compilation. 57 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,120 Right. 58 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,800 And just thinking for some reason, I like to fantasize about like our future fans, like 59 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,000 asking us things we're talking to us. 60 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,800 And I was thinking how funny would it be if we didn't do any editing one time and just 61 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,240 played the entire clip like the way that it is. 62 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,400 Because I edit a lot. 63 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:10,920 Like I edit like the pauses. 64 00:02:10,920 --> 00:02:11,920 I edit the ums. 65 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:16,360 I edit a lot of stuff that we don't, you know, it's hard when you're talking for an hour 66 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,040 to not mess up. 67 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,240 And so it would be funny to see it or to hear it, you know, from them. 68 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,400 Because from their perspective, we sound perfect, right? 69 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,720 Like if the information comes out correctly, it comes out, it's pronounced correctly and 70 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,560 stuff, but we're over here like googling stuff sometimes. 71 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:31,560 How do you pronounce that? 72 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,840 Yeah, roofland, exactly. 73 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,240 So I think it would be funny, maybe, you know, maybe like a mental breakdown, something 74 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,080 short, but yeah, if I didn't edit at all and just posted that. 75 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:46,600 It is kind of funny to think that there's... 76 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,440 I lost my train of thought. 77 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:50,960 That it's never one take. 78 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:51,960 Yeah. 79 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:52,960 Never one take. 80 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:53,960 Never. 81 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,360 And then when you hear like other podcasts, like you know that they're doing just as much 82 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,320 editing as we are, but you'll never know, you know. 83 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,640 And I think sometimes I can catch it like when I hear something that probably should have 84 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:08,440 been left in there and it was, I was like, oh, you got it. 85 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:09,440 All right. 86 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:10,440 Anyways. 87 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:11,440 Randy Kraft. 88 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:12,440 Yes. 89 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:19,520 When we last left off, Randy Kraft was pulled over for suspicion of driving while intoxicated. 90 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:27,120 Because that's when they found Terry Lee Gambrill who had been murdered in the passenger seat. 91 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,560 Imagine being that cop. 92 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,360 Like you're pulling someone over thinking, okay, this drunk idiot, just know whatever. 93 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,040 And then you find a literal corpse in the passenger seat. 94 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,160 You think it's a drunk guy driving is even more drunk or a friend or something. 95 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,160 Exactly. 96 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:41,160 Yeah. 97 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:42,360 Oh my God, I can't imagine that poor thing. 98 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:47,800 So Kraft was initially charged with driving while under the influence. 99 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:53,400 And he was held in custody as detectives conducted a pretty thorough search of his vehicle. 100 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:58,400 So in the rear seat of the car, investigators actually found a belt where the width itself 101 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,560 was consistent with the ligature marks that were on Gambrill's neck. 102 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:03,560 Wow. 103 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,120 So straight up like their murder weapon. 104 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:07,120 Very clear evidence. 105 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,120 Dummy. 106 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,120 Dummy. 107 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,120 Dummy. 108 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,080 So other in incriminating evidence also included, of course, like the alcohol that he supplied 109 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:20,280 his victims with, but there were also tranquilizers, various prescription drugs and different types 110 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:21,280 of like stimulants. 111 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:25,520 Again, how many doctors does this guy have that are just prescribing him value because 112 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,280 he has a lot of value? 113 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:31,840 It makes me wonder if he didn't just use like an alternate name or something like an 114 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:38,680 alias and then went to multiple doctors, which is honestly something that nobody touched 115 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,520 as far as the research that I did. 116 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,320 So if anybody does know the answer to that. 117 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,640 If he was ever charged for any type of forgery or anything like that, that would be interesting. 118 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,800 I mean, it was a hell of a lot easier to get away with that stuff in the 70s and 80s now. 119 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,120 So the passenger seat and the carpet like on the floorboards was completely covered 120 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,120 in blood. 121 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,120 Oh. 122 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,520 However, Gambrill didn't have an open wound on him. 123 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:02,520 Oh. 124 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,400 So it's older. 125 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,920 So this guy's just been like hoarding this like festering blood. 126 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,720 So I guess he never once got pulled over at all and that was ever suspicious to anybody. 127 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,120 I love his car smell. 128 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,120 Could you imagine? 129 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,120 Yeah. 130 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,560 I was going to say, can you imagine like hitching a ride from this guy and then you're just 131 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,240 like you're in the passenger seat and there's blood all over it? 132 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:28,080 Well, you know, to the untrained eye, that could look like anything. 133 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,160 You know, I have so bad. 134 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:35,600 I popped a pimple in front of my little mirror when I was sitting down by my bedroom door 135 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,200 the other day and I was wiping the blood on the carpet in front of me because I was like 136 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:40,200 whatever. 137 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,840 And Casey was like, it was so fucking gross. 138 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:45,240 It looks like chocolate now. 139 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,440 It was like a chocolate thing. 140 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:48,440 I'm like, no, whatever, no. 141 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:49,440 This is my blood. 142 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:50,440 This is my blood. 143 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:51,440 That's so gross. 144 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,440 If you ever need it for anything, there it is. 145 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:54,440 There it is. 146 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:55,440 There's a DNA sample. 147 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,880 So the upholstery was eventually removed by forensic nail. 148 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:01,440 The upholstery was removed by forensic. 149 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:08,660 The全部 was removed by Forens front. 150 00:06:08,660 --> 00:06:27,020 Anyway, it was the upholstery the upholstery was removed by Justv said 151 00:06:27,020 --> 00:06:28,220 Bon Appetit. 152 00:06:28,220 --> 00:06:30,220 Bon Appetit. 153 00:06:30,220 --> 00:06:32,220 Bon Appetit. 154 00:06:32,220 --> 00:06:36,220 Don't wear too much coffee. 155 00:06:36,220 --> 00:06:37,220 Yeah. 156 00:06:37,220 --> 00:06:38,220 That's lame giggly. 157 00:06:38,220 --> 00:06:40,820 I think my brain is breaking. 158 00:06:40,820 --> 00:06:44,940 The upholstery was removed by the forensics team and it was confirmed that it was human 159 00:06:44,940 --> 00:06:45,940 blood. 160 00:06:45,940 --> 00:06:46,940 Do I? 161 00:06:46,940 --> 00:06:47,940 Nobody has to tell me that, right? 162 00:06:47,940 --> 00:06:52,740 So beneath the carpet after the removal the investigators had discovered an envelope 163 00:06:52,740 --> 00:07:00,620 that contained more than 50 photographs of young men in sexually suggestive positions. 164 00:07:00,620 --> 00:07:02,820 What a horrific thing to find. 165 00:07:02,820 --> 00:07:04,500 Yeah, 50 images. 166 00:07:04,500 --> 00:07:05,500 Under the floorboard? 167 00:07:05,500 --> 00:07:09,500 Yeah, it was under, like I guess maybe like under the mat or like he tucked it in there 168 00:07:09,500 --> 00:07:10,500 somewhere. 169 00:07:10,500 --> 00:07:11,500 What a fucking creep. 170 00:07:11,500 --> 00:07:12,660 But like you just carry that shit around? 171 00:07:12,660 --> 00:07:13,660 Like ew. 172 00:07:13,660 --> 00:07:14,660 Yeah. 173 00:07:14,660 --> 00:07:15,660 Ew. 174 00:07:15,660 --> 00:07:18,820 What if he like, oh no, what if he like showed that to them before, oh my god, sorry. 175 00:07:18,820 --> 00:07:23,260 Many of the subjects in the pictures appeared to be either asleep or dead and inside the 176 00:07:23,260 --> 00:07:29,660 trunk investigators found a binder that contained 61 handwritten like coded notations in the 177 00:07:29,660 --> 00:07:30,660 binder. 178 00:07:30,660 --> 00:07:31,900 So this was his scorecard. 179 00:07:31,900 --> 00:07:33,380 Oh my god. 180 00:07:33,380 --> 00:07:34,380 61. 181 00:07:34,380 --> 00:07:37,420 61 coded notations. 182 00:07:37,420 --> 00:07:39,580 That is like nauseating. 183 00:07:39,580 --> 00:07:44,460 And that's why they say like on his thing it's like 16 to 67 or whatever, like on his 184 00:07:44,460 --> 00:07:45,460 little bio. 185 00:07:45,460 --> 00:07:46,460 Yeah. 186 00:07:46,460 --> 00:07:47,460 On his bio. 187 00:07:47,460 --> 00:07:49,220 He's famous. 188 00:07:49,220 --> 00:07:50,540 He's on plenty of fish. 189 00:07:50,540 --> 00:07:51,980 On his bio. 190 00:07:51,980 --> 00:07:57,100 16 to 67 murder victims because they found this binder. 191 00:07:57,100 --> 00:08:03,780 And most of them or some of them were cooperated through just known victims. 192 00:08:03,780 --> 00:08:07,940 So that's why they take every single one so seriously. 193 00:08:07,940 --> 00:08:11,540 I like, I'm glad I can't put myself there. 194 00:08:11,540 --> 00:08:15,960 But like I don't know what I would do if I found a dead body, let alone taking photos 195 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,460 and like driving around. 196 00:08:17,460 --> 00:08:20,100 The human being that you murdered. 197 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:22,860 He's ceased to exist because of your dick ass. 198 00:08:22,860 --> 00:08:23,860 Yeah. 199 00:08:23,860 --> 00:08:26,980 Like, and then you're just going to take photos of it for leisure, like for fucking 200 00:08:26,980 --> 00:08:27,980 for fun. 201 00:08:27,980 --> 00:08:30,380 Like, oh, that grosses me the fuck out. 202 00:08:30,380 --> 00:08:34,820 So later a search of cross home revealed further incriminating evidence. 203 00:08:34,820 --> 00:08:36,580 Clearly they're like, oh, look at this evidence. 204 00:08:36,580 --> 00:08:39,020 We should probably go take a look at this guy's home life. 205 00:08:39,020 --> 00:08:40,020 Wow. 206 00:08:40,020 --> 00:08:41,020 Good thing. 207 00:08:41,020 --> 00:08:42,020 It's California PD doing something. 208 00:08:42,020 --> 00:08:43,020 Doing something. 209 00:08:43,020 --> 00:08:44,020 Finally. 210 00:08:44,020 --> 00:08:47,260 Jesus. 211 00:08:47,260 --> 00:08:53,420 So again, a search of cross home revealed that he had clothes and certain personal possessions 212 00:08:53,420 --> 00:08:55,860 of numerous victims. 213 00:08:55,860 --> 00:08:57,460 Like the house itself was evidence. 214 00:08:57,460 --> 00:08:59,820 Like he had so much shit. 215 00:08:59,820 --> 00:09:04,700 So fibers taken from a rug at Crafts House was consistent with fibers that was actually 216 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:07,020 found on Scott Hughes, one of his victims. 217 00:09:07,020 --> 00:09:08,020 Wow. 218 00:09:08,020 --> 00:09:12,340 In addition to the couch that was in Crafts living room that you know a few pictures were 219 00:09:12,340 --> 00:09:14,700 taken on, right? 220 00:09:14,700 --> 00:09:18,580 It was clear that like that was the couch that was in most of the photographs. 221 00:09:18,580 --> 00:09:19,580 Yeah. 222 00:09:19,580 --> 00:09:21,300 I mean, you can't get more like. 223 00:09:21,300 --> 00:09:23,060 You're a dumbass. 224 00:09:23,060 --> 00:09:26,980 That's clearly evidence that will be used against you. 225 00:09:26,980 --> 00:09:28,860 There's no way around that. 226 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:31,940 So our role of film was actually discovered in the house as well that contained still 227 00:09:31,940 --> 00:09:36,060 frames of Eric Church and Roger Duvall. 228 00:09:36,060 --> 00:09:39,180 And they were actually taken in Crafts car. 229 00:09:39,180 --> 00:09:43,140 So one of these images, a literature mark was actually visible on Duvall's neck. 230 00:09:43,140 --> 00:09:46,300 So it was likely that he was deceased when the picture was taken. 231 00:09:46,300 --> 00:09:49,340 He's like, here's literal evidence of me murdering people. 232 00:09:49,340 --> 00:09:54,940 So the scorecard itself was a binder and it was like I said, it contained coded notations, 233 00:09:54,940 --> 00:09:56,220 61 of them. 234 00:09:56,220 --> 00:10:03,700 And there are references that are written in like very precise and clear handwriting. 235 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:07,340 So to me, when I like hear that, it's like clearly written out. 236 00:10:07,340 --> 00:10:10,900 It means that like he wasn't writing these down in a panicked manner. 237 00:10:10,900 --> 00:10:15,580 He wasn't writing them down in like a like a disheveled or like a manic way. 238 00:10:15,580 --> 00:10:17,220 No, he was very much enjoying. 239 00:10:17,220 --> 00:10:18,220 Exactly. 240 00:10:18,220 --> 00:10:19,220 Or remembering what was happening. 241 00:10:19,220 --> 00:10:20,940 Super in control. 242 00:10:20,940 --> 00:10:24,540 So again, they were found in the trunk of his car and they're believed to refer to each 243 00:10:24,540 --> 00:10:26,740 one of his victims. 244 00:10:26,740 --> 00:10:32,540 Many entries appear innocuous at first, but each one is believed to be referring to specific 245 00:10:32,540 --> 00:10:35,020 murder victims or double murders. 246 00:10:35,020 --> 00:10:37,980 Double entries clearly reference victims names. 247 00:10:37,980 --> 00:10:44,220 For example, the entry reading EDM refers to the initials of the victim Edward Daniel 248 00:10:44,220 --> 00:10:46,500 Moore, so EDM. 249 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:50,340 Or Vince M, which refers to Vincent Mista. 250 00:10:50,340 --> 00:10:54,860 In other instances though, entries indicate torture or mutilation inflicted upon the 251 00:10:54,860 --> 00:11:01,420 victims or in the ways that they were last left by him, I guess. 252 00:11:01,420 --> 00:11:07,740 So the entry that it, there's an entry that says Marine Head BP. 253 00:11:07,740 --> 00:11:12,620 And that is believed to be referred to as Mark Marsh, who was a Marine. 254 00:11:12,620 --> 00:11:15,980 He was found decapitated, which is in the reference to the head. 255 00:11:15,980 --> 00:11:21,980 It's a Marine head and then BP since he had been hitchhiking in Buena Park when he went 256 00:11:21,980 --> 00:11:22,980 missing. 257 00:11:22,980 --> 00:11:23,980 Wow. 258 00:11:23,980 --> 00:11:26,780 So it's very like, like there's no way around it. 259 00:11:26,780 --> 00:11:29,100 Like he's referring specifically to these crimes. 260 00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:30,900 It's very personal to him. 261 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:31,900 Yeah. 262 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:35,820 And it doesn't seem strange because these people are not people that he knows. 263 00:11:35,820 --> 00:11:40,740 Usually when you see personal killings like that or personal, you know, relations, like 264 00:11:40,740 --> 00:11:43,660 when you're relating it personally to the murder, it's somebody that you know and you 265 00:11:43,660 --> 00:11:45,460 are known for a long time where you care for. 266 00:11:45,460 --> 00:11:47,700 I just feel like it's such an odd trophy. 267 00:11:47,700 --> 00:11:54,180 And then for you to be so specific, it's not coincidental that that means something. 268 00:11:54,180 --> 00:11:55,180 Yeah. 269 00:11:55,180 --> 00:11:56,180 And the fact that he- 270 00:11:56,180 --> 00:12:01,780 Yeah, BP is clearly a Marine, one of the only, I mean, the only victim that I've heard of 271 00:12:01,780 --> 00:12:03,460 to be decapitated. 272 00:12:03,460 --> 00:12:08,140 And then the Buena Park thing, like clearly that is in reference to Mark Marsh. 273 00:12:08,140 --> 00:12:09,140 Yeah, of course. 274 00:12:09,140 --> 00:12:13,420 And the fact that like, I feel like it makes it worse because it shows that he like took 275 00:12:13,420 --> 00:12:15,860 the time to get to know these things about these people. 276 00:12:15,860 --> 00:12:16,860 Right. 277 00:12:16,860 --> 00:12:19,660 Like you wouldn't know this guy was a Marine unless he was literally in his uniform. 278 00:12:19,660 --> 00:12:23,820 Like you would have had to have a conversation with that guy about it or the other things 279 00:12:23,820 --> 00:12:24,820 like date- 280 00:12:24,820 --> 00:12:25,820 Yeah, date. 281 00:12:25,820 --> 00:12:28,580 Like he was exactly like he was going to find his dog or going on a date or he came 282 00:12:28,580 --> 00:12:29,580 on a date with his girlfriend. 283 00:12:29,580 --> 00:12:31,420 Like you would not know that unless they told you. 284 00:12:31,420 --> 00:12:33,460 So that means that you're a fucking asshole that- 285 00:12:33,460 --> 00:12:37,100 I mean, he's already an asshole, but he took the time to get to know these little details 286 00:12:37,100 --> 00:12:39,780 about these people and then used it as a reference point. 287 00:12:39,780 --> 00:12:40,780 Like fuck you. 288 00:12:40,780 --> 00:12:41,780 Right. 289 00:12:41,780 --> 00:12:45,340 So the only other entries really besides the ones that are like more specific, either 290 00:12:45,340 --> 00:12:50,660 by name or by what had happened to them is their dump locations. 291 00:12:50,660 --> 00:12:56,140 So Golden Sales, for example, would refer to Craig Jannitas that was found at the motel. 292 00:12:56,140 --> 00:12:59,940 So the list also contains entries indicating a minimum of four double murders. 293 00:12:59,940 --> 00:13:02,340 So we know about the Grand Rapids 2, the GR2, right? 294 00:13:02,340 --> 00:13:03,340 Yeah. 295 00:13:03,340 --> 00:13:06,460 That is Dennis Ault and Christopher Schoenborn. 296 00:13:06,460 --> 00:13:07,460 The cousins. 297 00:13:07,460 --> 00:13:09,340 Yeah, the cousins. 298 00:13:09,340 --> 00:13:11,820 So they were last seen in Grand Rapids, of course we know that. 299 00:13:11,820 --> 00:13:16,620 The 2-in-1 Beach refers to victims Joffrey Nelson and Roger DeVall. 300 00:13:16,620 --> 00:13:25,060 However, 2-in-1 Hitch and 2-in-1 MV to PL are entries that are noted in the book. 301 00:13:25,060 --> 00:13:29,580 However, there's never been any disappearances linked to those. 302 00:13:29,580 --> 00:13:31,780 And he's an asshole that didn't tell them about it? 303 00:13:31,780 --> 00:13:32,940 No, of course not. 304 00:13:32,940 --> 00:13:33,940 Like why would he? 305 00:13:33,940 --> 00:13:34,940 Well, sometimes, you know, they like to take credit. 306 00:13:34,940 --> 00:13:39,060 They're like, oh, well, there's four more bodies in this part of town or whatever. 307 00:13:39,060 --> 00:13:41,540 They'll just say it because they're narcissistic. 308 00:13:41,540 --> 00:13:45,820 So those are the only four that are, again, that are a minimum at least. 309 00:13:45,820 --> 00:13:51,100 Those are the ones that say 2-in-1 or whatever it is, or reference to victims. 310 00:13:51,100 --> 00:13:54,180 So they can definitively say these are the people. 311 00:13:54,180 --> 00:14:00,860 But again, those other two entries, they've never had any specific double murder or disappearance 312 00:14:00,860 --> 00:14:02,860 that's ever been linked to those. 313 00:14:02,860 --> 00:14:03,860 Which I thought was interesting. 314 00:14:03,860 --> 00:14:09,820 So on Kras scorecard, there's actually two murders that he was convicted of eventually, 315 00:14:09,820 --> 00:14:11,420 which was Church and Gamble. 316 00:14:11,420 --> 00:14:13,060 However, they weren't on his scorecard. 317 00:14:13,060 --> 00:14:14,060 They weren't noted on there. 318 00:14:14,060 --> 00:14:15,700 They weren't noted on there at all. 319 00:14:15,700 --> 00:14:20,180 So there's a possibility that investigators just didn't figure out all of the codes related 320 00:14:20,180 --> 00:14:22,420 to specific victims. 321 00:14:22,420 --> 00:14:27,740 Maybe something that he knew or experienced that the investigators just didn't put two 322 00:14:27,740 --> 00:14:30,180 and two together. 323 00:14:30,180 --> 00:14:34,820 But in Gamble's case, it's probably because he didn't get to that point because he was 324 00:14:34,820 --> 00:14:36,580 caught in the car with him. 325 00:14:36,580 --> 00:14:43,300 So considering what we know, that Gamble probably isn't in his scorecard and specific 326 00:14:43,300 --> 00:14:47,300 victims that they've just tallied and were able to link that they said that there's 327 00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:51,060 a possibility of him having 65 to 67 victims. 328 00:14:51,060 --> 00:14:52,500 Jesus Christ. 329 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:55,060 That's literally like, I can't even... 330 00:14:55,060 --> 00:14:56,940 That's my eighth grade graduating class. 331 00:14:56,940 --> 00:15:02,380 I was gonna say, that's like a classroom full of people in a college. 332 00:15:02,380 --> 00:15:04,220 That's a shitload of people. 333 00:15:04,220 --> 00:15:05,220 Right. 334 00:15:05,220 --> 00:15:10,460 So on May 16th, 1983, two days after he was pulled over for a suspected DUI, Kraft was 335 00:15:10,460 --> 00:15:13,580 formally charged with the murder of Terry Lee Gamble. 336 00:15:13,580 --> 00:15:18,780 And by September 8th, 1983, investigators had interviewed over 700 witnesses and gathered 337 00:15:18,780 --> 00:15:24,180 more than 250 pieces of physical evidence which pointed to Kraft as committing these 338 00:15:24,180 --> 00:15:25,180 murders. 339 00:15:25,180 --> 00:15:26,180 Holy crap. 340 00:15:26,180 --> 00:15:30,460 And they're like, oh, this is the guy that we've just been kind of like beating around 341 00:15:30,460 --> 00:15:32,460 the bush, like not really looking for. 342 00:15:32,460 --> 00:15:33,820 Like, oh my God. 343 00:15:33,820 --> 00:15:38,860 So they officially only really linked him to 15 other homicides besides Gamble. 344 00:15:38,860 --> 00:15:41,100 So it's, I mean, it's a fraction of what he's done. 345 00:15:41,100 --> 00:15:42,100 Yeah, of course. 346 00:15:42,100 --> 00:15:45,540 And that's a really big bummer for like the other victims too. 347 00:15:45,540 --> 00:15:49,620 You want to see him convicted of every single one that he committed. 348 00:15:49,620 --> 00:15:56,140 So this is all between December 1972 and February 1983, 15, that they can definitively say this 349 00:15:56,140 --> 00:15:57,140 was the guy. 350 00:15:57,140 --> 00:16:00,780 So 11 years time that he was murdering. 351 00:16:00,780 --> 00:16:01,780 That's ridiculous. 352 00:16:01,780 --> 00:16:02,780 Probably longer. 353 00:16:02,780 --> 00:16:04,700 Yeah, and of course there's more people in between that. 354 00:16:04,700 --> 00:16:05,700 Yeah. 355 00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:09,500 There's only ones that they have like without a doubt. 356 00:16:09,500 --> 00:16:13,900 So he was formally charged with 15 murders in addition to two counts of sodomy and one 357 00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:18,500 of emasculation because again, this is the only one which you know was a significant 358 00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:19,500 MO for him. 359 00:16:19,500 --> 00:16:20,500 Of course. 360 00:16:20,500 --> 00:16:26,020 So the victims that he was charged with at this time were Edward Moore, Kevin Bailey, 361 00:16:26,020 --> 00:16:33,980 Ronnie Wieb, Keith Crotwell, Mark Hall, Scott Hughes, Roland Young, Richard Keith, Keith 362 00:16:33,980 --> 00:16:42,860 Klingbele, Michael Interbitten, Donald Crystal, Robert Loggins, Eric Church, Roger Duvall, 363 00:16:42,860 --> 00:16:45,860 Jeffrey Nelson, and Terry Lee Gambrill. 364 00:16:45,860 --> 00:16:50,220 That took you 15 to 20 seconds to say all of that and that's like a quarter of the amount 365 00:16:50,220 --> 00:16:51,220 of people that he killed. 366 00:16:51,220 --> 00:16:52,220 Yeah. 367 00:16:52,220 --> 00:16:53,220 That should really, really say something. 368 00:16:53,220 --> 00:16:54,220 It does really say something. 369 00:16:54,220 --> 00:16:55,220 It does. 370 00:16:55,220 --> 00:16:56,220 Yeah. 371 00:16:56,220 --> 00:16:59,700 Yeah, it also gives their ages and then the dates that they believe the crimes occurred 372 00:16:59,700 --> 00:17:00,700 as well. 373 00:17:00,700 --> 00:17:04,260 And like, yeah, not even that far apart from each other. 374 00:17:04,260 --> 00:17:08,300 Yeah, there's literally an eight day difference between Roland Young and Richard Keith. 375 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:09,300 That is... 376 00:17:09,300 --> 00:17:10,380 I mean, that's how back to back this is. 377 00:17:10,380 --> 00:17:11,620 That's outrageous to me. 378 00:17:11,620 --> 00:17:17,300 So Kraus trial began September 26, 1988 and he was tried in Orange County before Judge 379 00:17:17,300 --> 00:17:18,780 Donald A. McCartan. 380 00:17:18,780 --> 00:17:24,780 So at the trial, almost 160 witnesses were called to testify on behalf of the prosecution 381 00:17:24,780 --> 00:17:27,580 and over 1,000 exhibits were introduced as evidence. 382 00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:28,580 Wow. 383 00:17:28,580 --> 00:17:29,580 That's a lot of fucking evidence. 384 00:17:29,580 --> 00:17:30,580 It's a long trial. 385 00:17:30,580 --> 00:17:31,580 It's a long trial. 386 00:17:31,580 --> 00:17:32,580 Yeah. 387 00:17:32,580 --> 00:17:37,620 These exhibits included physical evidence such as blood stains, hair and fiber evidence 388 00:17:37,620 --> 00:17:40,300 that was found at Kraus house and in his car. 389 00:17:40,300 --> 00:17:45,420 Fingerprints were found on the glass shards from the Hall murder as well as negatives 390 00:17:45,420 --> 00:17:49,020 and photographs of victims that were like hidden all over his vehicle. 391 00:17:49,020 --> 00:17:51,020 Imagine being on that jury. 392 00:17:51,020 --> 00:17:52,020 Yeah. 393 00:17:52,020 --> 00:17:53,300 It wasn't just in the floorboard. 394 00:17:53,300 --> 00:17:56,780 I mean like all over his car was scattered the stuff and his house. 395 00:17:56,780 --> 00:18:01,100 Again, the photographs depicted either the men were dead, drugged or maybe asleep. 396 00:18:01,100 --> 00:18:06,300 The belt that was used to strangle Gambrill and the prescription drugs, the buck knife 397 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:09,260 and the other stuff that was found inside of his vehicle at the time that Gambrill was 398 00:18:09,260 --> 00:18:10,260 found. 399 00:18:10,260 --> 00:18:15,580 Other evidence included his work schedules like his travel records, gasoline, receipts, 400 00:18:15,580 --> 00:18:19,860 things like that that place him at certain times, certain areas. 401 00:18:19,860 --> 00:18:22,500 So they basically could just find him through a paper trail. 402 00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:23,500 Pretty much. 403 00:18:23,500 --> 00:18:25,020 Oh, hey, like you're a dummy. 404 00:18:25,020 --> 00:18:27,580 Yeah, well it's really good that they had all this extra evidence. 405 00:18:27,580 --> 00:18:33,420 It might have seemed like, you know, overkill of like for lack of a bit of information, 406 00:18:33,420 --> 00:18:37,860 but that's really shedding light on just how terrible this guy is and they're like, 407 00:18:37,860 --> 00:18:40,260 we're not going to leave any room for doubt in the jury. 408 00:18:40,260 --> 00:18:41,420 Yeah, for sure. 409 00:18:41,420 --> 00:18:46,860 And so basically all of this paper trail or this paperwork showed is that he was either 410 00:18:46,860 --> 00:18:53,380 in places where somebody had been abducted or were at the sites of like the dump locations. 411 00:18:53,380 --> 00:18:56,340 But the defense was like, well, sorry, dude. 412 00:18:56,340 --> 00:18:57,340 Right. 413 00:18:57,340 --> 00:18:59,340 Best we can do is try to let them not kill you. 414 00:18:59,340 --> 00:19:00,340 Yeah. 415 00:19:00,340 --> 00:19:03,620 The icing on the cake though was definitely the fact that he had personal possessions 416 00:19:03,620 --> 00:19:06,580 of various victims in his house and in his car. 417 00:19:06,580 --> 00:19:09,460 It's funny that you mentioned the defense team because at this point the defense team 418 00:19:09,460 --> 00:19:13,700 is like, hey, this guy Randy Kraft has like been in the military. 419 00:19:13,700 --> 00:19:15,460 He's served for your country. 420 00:19:15,460 --> 00:19:17,780 He is a, you know, a great student. 421 00:19:17,780 --> 00:19:19,460 Like he was really studious growing up. 422 00:19:19,460 --> 00:19:21,260 He was a really hard worker. 423 00:19:21,260 --> 00:19:25,500 You know, all these really great things about him is like he's a really articulate stand-up 424 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:26,500 dude. 425 00:19:26,500 --> 00:19:30,660 Like there's no way that this guy, a pillar of the community could be this way. 426 00:19:30,660 --> 00:19:31,660 Right? 427 00:19:31,660 --> 00:19:36,700 They didn't dispute that like these men had been murdered, but they did dispute that Kraft 428 00:19:36,700 --> 00:19:38,060 was the one that didn't do it. 429 00:19:38,060 --> 00:19:42,100 And the defense attorney says, quote, there are victims of someone, but it is not Randy 430 00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:43,100 Kraft. 431 00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:44,100 Okay. 432 00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:45,100 Yeah. 433 00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:46,980 A plus for effort. 434 00:19:46,980 --> 00:19:51,260 The defense had pointed out that several of the 16 victims that he was being tried for 435 00:19:51,260 --> 00:19:56,220 had initially been believed by investigators to have been killed by one of two other serial 436 00:19:56,220 --> 00:19:59,060 killers, which are Patrick Kearney and William Bonham. 437 00:19:59,060 --> 00:20:00,060 William Bonham. 438 00:20:00,060 --> 00:20:02,380 I was just gonna say, it's probably William Bonham that they were talking about. 439 00:20:02,380 --> 00:20:03,380 Yeah. 440 00:20:03,380 --> 00:20:08,460 They were both known of court, well, we know, but audience might not that they are both 441 00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:11,380 technically what you would consider like a highway or a freeway killers. 442 00:20:11,380 --> 00:20:12,380 Yeah. 443 00:20:12,380 --> 00:20:14,340 They all three at one point were dubbed as a freeway killer. 444 00:20:14,340 --> 00:20:15,340 Yeah. 445 00:20:15,340 --> 00:20:18,380 William Bonham is like the actual fruit. 446 00:20:18,380 --> 00:20:19,860 Like he's like the main guy. 447 00:20:19,860 --> 00:20:20,860 Yeah. 448 00:20:20,860 --> 00:20:26,340 Sounds stupid, but the other guys were like Randy Kraft was, he was like, no, I don't 449 00:20:26,340 --> 00:20:27,340 like that. 450 00:20:27,340 --> 00:20:28,340 Yeah. 451 00:20:28,340 --> 00:20:29,580 And the killer Kearney is not. 452 00:20:29,580 --> 00:20:31,940 I think he was, maybe he was also a freeway killer. 453 00:20:31,940 --> 00:20:32,940 Yeah. 454 00:20:32,940 --> 00:20:33,940 I think either way. 455 00:20:33,940 --> 00:20:34,940 Yeah. 456 00:20:34,940 --> 00:20:35,940 But there was a matter. 457 00:20:35,940 --> 00:20:36,940 They're all pieces of shit. 458 00:20:36,940 --> 00:20:37,940 Yeah. 459 00:20:37,940 --> 00:20:38,940 They're all garbage. 460 00:20:38,940 --> 00:20:41,820 So the defense attorneys, of course, like I said, they argued that there was no concrete 461 00:20:41,820 --> 00:20:45,900 evidence that Kraft had killed any of these victims, that they were probably victims of 462 00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:47,220 these other serial killers. 463 00:20:47,220 --> 00:20:51,300 But there was two out of three ain't bad. 464 00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:53,900 Literally like there was concrete evidence. 465 00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:54,900 Right. 466 00:20:54,900 --> 00:20:59,180 Homeboy had the ligature mark around his neck with the same width as the belt in the back. 467 00:20:59,180 --> 00:21:04,300 They just happened to plant all of this stuff and then specifically create an M.O. that 468 00:21:04,300 --> 00:21:07,860 was specific to Randy Kraft just to like frame him. 469 00:21:07,860 --> 00:21:13,420 And they did this for 11 years and they strategically planted evidence for 11 years. 470 00:21:13,420 --> 00:21:15,220 Who does Randy Kraft think he is? 471 00:21:15,220 --> 00:21:16,220 Literally. 472 00:21:16,220 --> 00:21:17,220 He's so important and he needs to be framed for murder. 473 00:21:17,220 --> 00:21:18,220 He's a narcissistic fuck. 474 00:21:18,220 --> 00:21:19,220 Murder. 475 00:21:19,220 --> 00:21:20,220 That's what they do. 476 00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:23,380 They think they can get away with anything because they're fucking narcissists. 477 00:21:23,380 --> 00:21:28,060 The trial lasted for a total of 13 months and it would be the most expensive trial in 478 00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:29,420 Orange County history. 479 00:21:29,420 --> 00:21:30,420 Yeah. 480 00:21:30,420 --> 00:21:35,340 Again, imagine being on that jury for 13 months and having to, oh my God, that would really 481 00:21:35,340 --> 00:21:36,340 fuck you up. 482 00:21:36,340 --> 00:21:37,340 So much evidence. 483 00:21:37,340 --> 00:21:43,260 So on April 29th, 1989, closing arguments were made and it lasted a total of three days 484 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:44,260 for closing arguments. 485 00:21:44,260 --> 00:21:45,260 Oh my God. 486 00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:51,020 It's like, I just imagine it being like, and the jury, this is why. 487 00:21:51,020 --> 00:21:52,020 Time's up. 488 00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:53,020 All right, see you tomorrow. 489 00:21:53,020 --> 00:21:54,020 Yeah. 490 00:21:54,020 --> 00:21:55,020 They're getting into the scene. 491 00:21:55,020 --> 00:21:56,020 Yeah. 492 00:21:56,020 --> 00:21:58,540 Break for lunch or break for night. 493 00:21:58,540 --> 00:21:59,540 Break for, yeah. 494 00:21:59,540 --> 00:22:04,980 So the prosecution again listed all the physical and circumstantial evidence pointing to Kraft's 495 00:22:04,980 --> 00:22:05,980 guilt. 496 00:22:05,980 --> 00:22:10,140 The defense, of course, was arguing that everything was circumstantial and the prosecutors claimed 497 00:22:10,140 --> 00:22:14,420 that Kraft killed all of the victims was unfounded, which is dumb. 498 00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:18,380 So following the closing arguments, the jury deliberated for a total of 11 days. 499 00:22:18,380 --> 00:22:19,620 Oh my God. 500 00:22:19,620 --> 00:22:21,580 Why would they deliberate at all? 501 00:22:21,580 --> 00:22:23,140 This fuck is guilty. 502 00:22:23,140 --> 00:22:26,300 It's probably because there's 16 counts. 503 00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:27,300 You know what I mean? 504 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:28,300 That's true. 505 00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:33,340 So at least 16 counts of murder and then the two, sodomy, and then the one, emasculation. 506 00:22:33,340 --> 00:22:35,940 So they have to debate on every single. 507 00:22:35,940 --> 00:22:36,940 That's true. 508 00:22:36,940 --> 00:22:40,740 It might not have been a hung jury, but still, like, that's a long time to deliberate. 509 00:22:40,740 --> 00:22:41,740 You're right, though. 510 00:22:41,740 --> 00:22:42,740 It's so much information. 511 00:22:42,740 --> 00:22:47,260 It's so much information that they have to like sift through and then come to an agreement 512 00:22:47,260 --> 00:22:48,460 on every count. 513 00:22:48,460 --> 00:22:51,660 I hope no one in that jury was like, I don't know. 514 00:22:51,660 --> 00:22:53,260 I think it's that Kearney guy. 515 00:22:53,260 --> 00:22:54,260 Might have been Bonin. 516 00:22:54,260 --> 00:22:56,380 Might have been Bonin. 517 00:22:56,380 --> 00:23:01,700 So on May 12, 1989, Kraft was found guilty of 16 counts of murder, one count of sodomy, 518 00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:02,700 and one count of emasculation. 519 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:05,660 So he got almost 100%. 520 00:23:05,660 --> 00:23:11,020 So on June 5, 1989, the same jury reconvened to hear further testimony from the prosecution 521 00:23:11,020 --> 00:23:13,940 and the defense before sentencing. 522 00:23:13,940 --> 00:23:18,900 So this is after he's already been convicted, but this is for the sentencing. 523 00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:23,580 This phase of Kraft's trial would last from pretty much from June to August. 524 00:23:23,580 --> 00:23:24,580 Wow. 525 00:23:24,580 --> 00:23:27,540 So it's a long, again, a long process. 526 00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:32,020 This point, the prosecution introduced evidence of several additional homicides committed 527 00:23:32,020 --> 00:23:34,780 in Oregon and Michigan. 528 00:23:34,780 --> 00:23:37,020 So again, it wasn't used against him. 529 00:23:37,020 --> 00:23:41,500 He couldn't be tried for those, but it's additional evidence towards saying like, well, 530 00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:45,940 these are all of the other things that he's done over here in these states. 531 00:23:45,940 --> 00:23:50,060 He's still highly dangerous. 532 00:23:50,060 --> 00:23:52,820 Don't let this guy get a non-guilty verdict. 533 00:23:52,820 --> 00:23:53,820 Right. 534 00:23:53,820 --> 00:23:59,060 So like, again, they can't try him for it, but they can use it as evidence towards why 535 00:23:59,060 --> 00:24:03,180 to support what they want as far as his sentencing. 536 00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:07,940 So the defense had dismissed these additional allegations and referred to the prosecution's 537 00:24:07,940 --> 00:24:09,940 claim as highly speculative. 538 00:24:09,940 --> 00:24:10,940 What? 539 00:24:10,940 --> 00:24:11,940 Yeah. 540 00:24:11,940 --> 00:24:14,380 Oh, it's just a spec- what? 541 00:24:14,380 --> 00:24:15,380 Highly speculative. 542 00:24:15,380 --> 00:24:18,740 So there's some, what, like, weight to this. 543 00:24:18,740 --> 00:24:20,340 It's highly speculative. 544 00:24:20,340 --> 00:24:23,260 Or does it mean that it's highly suspected? 545 00:24:23,260 --> 00:24:26,380 Or do you think it's highly as in like, it's ridiculous? 546 00:24:26,380 --> 00:24:29,700 It's ridiculous is what they're trying to say, which I think it's highly speculative 547 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:32,500 that you guys are freaking trying to say that he's not guilty. 548 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:33,500 I think it's- 549 00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:34,500 I think it's their job. 550 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:35,500 No, that sucks. 551 00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:36,500 That sucks. 552 00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:37,500 That sucks. 553 00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:38,500 Soups cash. 554 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:39,500 Soups cash. 555 00:24:39,500 --> 00:24:44,460 So the defense also introduced testimony relating to a PET scan conducted on craft in which 556 00:24:44,460 --> 00:24:49,220 they said it revealed abnormalities in the front lobes of his brain. 557 00:24:49,220 --> 00:24:50,700 Oh, like the frontal lobe. 558 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:52,700 The frontal lobe is very important. 559 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:55,180 Yeah, they're saying that the frontal lobe. 560 00:24:55,180 --> 00:25:01,060 But of course, they had suggested that this may have reduced his ability to control his 561 00:25:01,060 --> 00:25:02,940 emotions and his impulses and stuff. 562 00:25:02,940 --> 00:25:03,940 Yeah, whatever. 563 00:25:03,940 --> 00:25:05,740 Ugh, just a good old defense team. 564 00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:06,740 Yeah, there's a lot of people- 565 00:25:06,740 --> 00:25:07,740 Classic defense. 566 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:12,060 Seriously, there's a lot of people that their frontal lobes not fully developed every single 567 00:25:12,060 --> 00:25:14,900 person under the age of 25, and they don't commit crimes. 568 00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:15,900 They don't murder people. 569 00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:17,940 They don't murder 67 people. 570 00:25:17,940 --> 00:25:18,940 Seriously. 571 00:25:18,940 --> 00:25:23,020 So the prosecution had retorted by stating to the jury, quote, there's nothing wrong 572 00:25:23,020 --> 00:25:27,700 with Mr. Kraff's mind other than the fact that he likes to kill for sexual satisfaction. 573 00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:28,700 Boom, roasted. 574 00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:29,700 And, quote. 575 00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:32,820 And they also added to the fact that his family and friends had found it very difficult to 576 00:25:32,820 --> 00:25:37,540 believe he had committed any of the murders, and it simply showed what the prosecution 577 00:25:37,540 --> 00:25:40,340 considered that he was a really good salesman. 578 00:25:40,340 --> 00:25:41,340 Wow. 579 00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:42,340 Yeah. 580 00:25:42,340 --> 00:25:50,100 So on August 11th, 1989, the jury had rendered a verdict of death for his sentencing. 581 00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:55,340 So Judge Donald A. McCartan, like we said, Judge McCartan, that I'll refer to him from 582 00:25:55,340 --> 00:25:59,540 that point on, or this point on, which he's only going to be mentioned like two more times. 583 00:25:59,540 --> 00:26:04,860 But Judge McCartan had passed a death penalty sentence upon Randy Kraff's two months later, 584 00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:06,260 November 29th, 1889. 585 00:26:06,260 --> 00:26:08,380 I'm sorry, 1889. 586 00:26:08,380 --> 00:26:09,380 Whoa. 587 00:26:09,380 --> 00:26:12,740 He's a vampire. 588 00:26:12,740 --> 00:26:15,900 November 29th, 1989. 589 00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:20,020 That was two months after the verdict of death by the jury. 590 00:26:20,020 --> 00:26:23,780 Judge McCartan said about the trial and the verdict, quote, to have something like this 591 00:26:23,780 --> 00:26:28,940 take place in our society, I think I've sent maybe eight or nine individuals to their death 592 00:26:28,940 --> 00:26:30,740 in my courtroom before. 593 00:26:30,740 --> 00:26:35,140 I can take all those aggravating circumstances in those other cases, and they still don't 594 00:26:35,140 --> 00:26:37,340 match Mr. Kraff's record. 595 00:26:37,340 --> 00:26:39,420 I just can't comment right now. 596 00:26:39,420 --> 00:26:42,540 If anyone deserves the death penalty, he's got it coming. 597 00:26:42,540 --> 00:26:44,860 I wish we could kill him twice. 598 00:26:44,860 --> 00:26:45,860 Right? 599 00:26:45,860 --> 00:26:46,860 Or 67 times. 600 00:26:46,860 --> 00:26:47,860 Literally. 601 00:26:47,860 --> 00:26:52,180 So the death sentence was later upheld by the California Supreme Court on August 9th, 602 00:26:52,180 --> 00:26:53,180 2000. 603 00:26:53,180 --> 00:26:56,820 So it's almost 11 years to the day that the jury came back with their verdict of death. 604 00:26:56,820 --> 00:26:57,820 Wow. 605 00:26:57,820 --> 00:27:01,380 So in the course of 2021, Kraff still remains on death row at San Quentin State Prison. 606 00:27:01,380 --> 00:27:03,380 He's still alive. 607 00:27:03,380 --> 00:27:06,540 Sorry, I just screamed. 608 00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:08,780 This motherfucker is still alive. 609 00:27:08,780 --> 00:27:12,420 He still denies responsibility for any of the homicides in which he was either convicted 610 00:27:12,420 --> 00:27:14,100 or suspected of committing. 611 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:15,820 Oh my God. 612 00:27:15,820 --> 00:27:18,380 I mean, glad he's rotting. 613 00:27:18,380 --> 00:27:19,380 Don't get me wrong. 614 00:27:19,380 --> 00:27:20,380 Oh yeah. 615 00:27:20,380 --> 00:27:22,260 However, tell me he doesn't have a cushy life. 616 00:27:22,260 --> 00:27:23,260 Oh, I don't fucking know. 617 00:27:23,260 --> 00:27:25,940 I didn't care to look at whether or not he has a cushy life. 618 00:27:25,940 --> 00:27:26,940 Well, I don't want him to. 619 00:27:26,940 --> 00:27:28,940 I don't think he does. 620 00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:34,700 He's probably in segregation though, or isolated because he's so notorious. 621 00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:36,380 I cannot believe he's still alive. 622 00:27:36,380 --> 00:27:37,380 How old is he? 623 00:27:37,380 --> 00:27:38,380 He's got to be like 70. 624 00:27:38,380 --> 00:27:40,660 He is 76 years old. 625 00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:41,780 Jesus Christ. 626 00:27:41,780 --> 00:27:48,340 I mean, they should just let him in the general population so that he can get raped every day. 627 00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:50,180 67 times. 628 00:27:50,180 --> 00:27:51,220 67. 629 00:27:51,220 --> 00:27:54,380 That's so fucking gross. 630 00:27:54,380 --> 00:28:02,500 So interestingly enough, that is where Randy Kraft's life will end. 631 00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:06,340 But there's all of these extra speculations. 632 00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:11,980 So both circumstantial and DNA evidence relating to some of Kraft's murders have caused a lot 633 00:28:11,980 --> 00:28:18,700 of people to strongly suspect that the murders that are attributed to Kraft aren't just 634 00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:20,300 committed by just him. 635 00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:21,300 Yes. 636 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:24,380 I think earlier that there was, or on the first part, I think we talked about there was 637 00:28:24,380 --> 00:28:26,740 two sets of footprints in the sand. 638 00:28:26,740 --> 00:28:27,740 Right. 639 00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:28,740 Dragging marks. 640 00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:33,460 So the prosecution believed that these inconsistencies could only be explained by the presence of 641 00:28:33,460 --> 00:28:35,660 an accomplice. 642 00:28:35,660 --> 00:28:40,100 And it is contended that Kraft, given his stature, would have a really hard time looking 643 00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:43,580 around a 200-pound deceased person. 644 00:28:43,580 --> 00:28:45,100 Because he's a scrawny little bitch or what? 645 00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:46,540 Yeah, he's a little scrawny bitch. 646 00:28:46,540 --> 00:28:48,900 Well, he looks like a little scrawny bitch. 647 00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:53,340 I'm trying to think about who he reminds me of. 648 00:28:53,340 --> 00:29:00,140 He reminds me of John Locke from Lost if that actor was shorter and thinner. 649 00:29:00,140 --> 00:29:01,660 So he's got a bald head. 650 00:29:01,660 --> 00:29:04,740 I mean, I don't know what he looked like in the 70s and 80s. 651 00:29:04,740 --> 00:29:05,820 He's fuck ugly. 652 00:29:05,820 --> 00:29:07,780 And I posted pictures of him on our Instagram. 653 00:29:07,780 --> 00:29:10,620 If you listen to part one, you've already seen that. 654 00:29:10,620 --> 00:29:12,940 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 655 00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:22,220 So for him to be lugging around corpses, or victims, and especially that, but dumping 656 00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:24,580 them from moving vehicles. 657 00:29:24,580 --> 00:29:31,060 How strong would you have to be to be driving and then force someone out of a moving vehicle 658 00:29:31,060 --> 00:29:34,820 when you're going 90 or 80 down on the highway? 659 00:29:34,820 --> 00:29:38,380 It seems really implausible for just one person to do. 660 00:29:38,380 --> 00:29:39,380 True. 661 00:29:39,380 --> 00:29:40,380 It does. 662 00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:45,580 There are signs and debris that were found on some of the crime scenes, like where bodies 663 00:29:45,580 --> 00:29:48,460 had been discarded or along freeways. 664 00:29:48,460 --> 00:29:54,020 Again, they had signs of traveling more than 50 miles an hour. 665 00:29:54,020 --> 00:29:57,580 So that's really hard for one person to do. 666 00:29:57,580 --> 00:30:03,100 So like you mentioned, the footprints in the sand where John Laris was found at Sunset 667 00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:09,420 Beach, it indicated that it looked like two people were dragging the body along the sand. 668 00:30:09,420 --> 00:30:14,980 And in the case of Eric Church, samples of DNA that were found on his body were inconsistent 669 00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:17,260 with Kraft's blood type. 670 00:30:17,260 --> 00:30:18,260 Which is huge. 671 00:30:18,260 --> 00:30:19,260 Interesting. 672 00:30:19,260 --> 00:30:20,260 Very huge. 673 00:30:20,260 --> 00:30:24,140 Not to say that Eric Church wasn't maybe with someone that night or whatever before he 674 00:30:24,140 --> 00:30:25,300 was murdered. 675 00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:31,020 So what's even more interesting is that the photographs that were found in Kraft's car 676 00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:35,140 and around his house had to have been processed somewhere. 677 00:30:35,140 --> 00:30:40,620 So you think like this is the 70s, this is the 80s, you took your film to go get processed. 678 00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:43,820 Yeah, and people that processed it saw that and were like, okay. 679 00:30:43,820 --> 00:30:45,220 Oh, whatever, right? 680 00:30:45,220 --> 00:30:50,980 So this also alludes to the fact that someone that he was in contact with knew about Dark 681 00:30:50,980 --> 00:30:53,940 Rooms and knew how to process film at home. 682 00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:56,380 And Kraft didn't have any of that knowledge. 683 00:30:56,380 --> 00:30:57,380 Okay. 684 00:30:57,380 --> 00:30:58,380 Interesting. 685 00:30:58,380 --> 00:31:01,940 Yeah, and this person obviously knew what he was doing if they were processing this 686 00:31:01,940 --> 00:31:02,940 footage. 687 00:31:02,940 --> 00:31:03,940 Right. 688 00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:09,540 So I think that no, just like kid that works at a Dark Room or like at a film development 689 00:31:09,540 --> 00:31:14,740 store or job would not say something to police, right? 690 00:31:14,740 --> 00:31:15,740 Yeah, of course. 691 00:31:15,740 --> 00:31:19,940 So anyways, during Cross-Trial, members of the prosecution had admitted privately that 692 00:31:19,940 --> 00:31:25,100 they didn't charge him with certain murders because they indicated that it would be only 693 00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:27,180 possible through an accomplice. 694 00:31:27,180 --> 00:31:28,180 Wow. 695 00:31:28,180 --> 00:31:32,260 So there's certain murders that they pretty much knew he had committed, but because of 696 00:31:32,260 --> 00:31:37,500 the evidence that a second person may be a part of it, that they wouldn't be able to 697 00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:39,100 prosecute for those. 698 00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:40,100 Wow. 699 00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:41,100 So, yeah. 700 00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:48,220 So although the DNA evidence on Church's body wasn't consistent with Kraft, they just 701 00:31:48,220 --> 00:31:53,380 left that evidence out and they chose to focus on the photographs where Church was sitting 702 00:31:53,380 --> 00:31:55,460 on the couch or in the car, I think it was. 703 00:31:55,460 --> 00:31:58,940 And then some of his personal belongings were also found at Kraft's house. 704 00:31:58,940 --> 00:32:01,980 So they used that evidence to convict him for a Church's murder. 705 00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:05,780 And it just left out the DNA evidence, which is interesting. 706 00:32:05,780 --> 00:32:09,140 Maybe you'll remember this name, Jeff Graves. 707 00:32:09,140 --> 00:32:13,100 So that was Kraft's former lover, Jeff Graves. 708 00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:19,820 And the prosecution also believes that Kraft was helped by Graves at some point, given 709 00:32:19,820 --> 00:32:23,300 the fact that they had been together for like five years. 710 00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:27,740 So during the time that Kraft and Graves were together for that five years, from 1971 to 711 00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:32,340 1996, there is speculation that there was at least 16 other murders that occurred during 712 00:32:32,340 --> 00:32:33,340 that time. 713 00:32:33,340 --> 00:32:34,340 Okay. 714 00:32:34,340 --> 00:32:36,340 Like it was separate from the ones he was convicted of. 715 00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:37,340 Right. 716 00:32:37,340 --> 00:32:40,020 So he was actually being questioned. 717 00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:44,100 I think if you remember when Crotwell had been kidnapped and he was there with his friend 718 00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:51,700 and then his friend got pushed out of the car, Graves was questioned during that. 719 00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:55,460 And he had said, oh yeah, Randy was with me all night or whatever and covered for him. 720 00:32:55,460 --> 00:32:59,020 And he verified parts of Kraft's statement. 721 00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:03,060 Do you remember when he called and he was like, hey, my car got stuck, whatever. 722 00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:05,540 So he corroborated that. 723 00:33:05,540 --> 00:33:06,780 And that was in 1975. 724 00:33:06,780 --> 00:33:12,900 So later on after Kraft's arrest, Graves was interrogated again and he said, quote, I'm 725 00:33:12,900 --> 00:33:15,540 really not going to pay for it. 726 00:33:15,540 --> 00:33:20,140 So meaning like he probably knew something, but he'll never go down for it. 727 00:33:20,140 --> 00:33:21,140 Oh. 728 00:33:21,140 --> 00:33:22,140 Yeah. 729 00:33:22,140 --> 00:33:26,380 So the impression of this guy was like a victim of it in itself, but doesn't really seem like 730 00:33:26,380 --> 00:33:27,380 it. 731 00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:32,380 Well, and remember when he was being questioned or asked, he said that Kraft had never shown 732 00:33:32,380 --> 00:33:34,740 signs of aggression or anything like that towards him. 733 00:33:34,740 --> 00:33:39,260 So I don't know if he was just like inherently scared of him and he just didn't, he knew 734 00:33:39,260 --> 00:33:41,420 maybe what he was capable of. 735 00:33:41,420 --> 00:33:47,060 Or he knew something and chose to just accept it. 736 00:33:47,060 --> 00:33:48,060 I don't know. 737 00:33:48,060 --> 00:33:49,060 I don't know. 738 00:33:49,060 --> 00:33:50,060 He's kind of a piece of shit. 739 00:33:50,060 --> 00:33:54,180 It's kind of like a strange little thing to say. 740 00:33:54,180 --> 00:33:56,220 Like I'm really not going to pay for it. 741 00:33:56,220 --> 00:33:57,380 Like, okay. 742 00:33:57,380 --> 00:34:01,780 So Graves did die of AIDS on July 27th, 1987. 743 00:34:01,780 --> 00:34:05,980 And at the time of his death, police had been preparing to question him further. 744 00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:07,620 Oh my God. 745 00:34:07,620 --> 00:34:08,620 Yeah. 746 00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:12,500 So he could have been convicted of something. 747 00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:18,300 In January 2000, journalist Dennis McDougal had published an article in which he interviewed 748 00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:22,780 a small time criminal named Bob Jackson. 749 00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:28,180 And Bob Jackson reportedly confessed to murdering two hitchhikers with Kraft. 750 00:34:28,180 --> 00:34:29,180 Okay. 751 00:34:29,180 --> 00:34:30,180 Right? 752 00:34:30,180 --> 00:34:35,220 So one was in Wyoming in 1975 and the other was in Colorado the following year. 753 00:34:35,220 --> 00:34:41,140 So authorities in both Colorado and Wyoming were unable to like determine whether or not 754 00:34:41,140 --> 00:34:42,140 that was the truth. 755 00:34:42,140 --> 00:34:44,660 So, I.E. they probably never found any victims. 756 00:34:44,660 --> 00:34:48,860 There wasn't enough evidence to positively identify one victim or another. 757 00:34:48,860 --> 00:34:49,860 Okay. 758 00:34:49,860 --> 00:34:54,180 So Jackson also claimed to McDougal that the Kraft scorecard included only his quote 759 00:34:54,180 --> 00:34:56,860 unquote more memorable murders. 760 00:34:56,860 --> 00:35:00,780 And so in his opinion, he thought that Kraft murdered way more than 67. 761 00:35:00,780 --> 00:35:02,340 But he just wrote down the certain ones. 762 00:35:02,340 --> 00:35:05,260 Certain ones that he wanted to keep. 763 00:35:05,260 --> 00:35:06,260 As late as. 764 00:35:06,260 --> 00:35:08,460 Which honestly, I don't even think is ever fetched. 765 00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:09,460 It's not. 766 00:35:09,460 --> 00:35:10,460 It's definitely not. 767 00:35:10,460 --> 00:35:11,460 Like this guy just went around willy-nilly. 768 00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:13,900 And got away with it for 11 fucking years. 769 00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:14,900 Yeah. 770 00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:18,660 So McDougal did report these allegations that Jackson made to police and provided tape recordings 771 00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:19,660 of all the interviews. 772 00:35:19,660 --> 00:35:20,660 Okay. 773 00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:23,620 Detectives interrogated Jackson and eventually persuaded him to either. 774 00:35:23,620 --> 00:35:24,620 This is so. 775 00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:26,540 To me, this got me. 776 00:35:26,540 --> 00:35:30,060 They persuaded him to enter a mental institution. 777 00:35:30,060 --> 00:35:31,620 Like they thought he was crazy. 778 00:35:31,620 --> 00:35:32,620 Huh? 779 00:35:32,620 --> 00:35:33,620 Yeah. 780 00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:34,620 I don't know. 781 00:35:34,620 --> 00:35:39,900 It seems like, again, they weren't able to cooperate his stories about Wyoming and Colorado. 782 00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:45,180 And it was only two, but he said that he knew Kraft well enough that he was like, this person 783 00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:46,980 clearly murdered more than these people. 784 00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:48,300 Yeah. 785 00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:50,980 And instead of taking him seriously, they put him in a mental institution. 786 00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:51,980 That's ridiculous. 787 00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:57,460 No murder charges were ever filed against him due to absence of direct incriminating evidence. 788 00:35:57,460 --> 00:35:58,460 Wow. 789 00:35:58,460 --> 00:35:59,460 Even though he confessed. 790 00:35:59,460 --> 00:36:00,460 Yeah. 791 00:36:00,460 --> 00:36:01,660 Not saying every confession is correct. 792 00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:02,660 Of course. 793 00:36:02,660 --> 00:36:05,940 And I would hope that they did their due diligence and they actually had him evaluated and then 794 00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:07,580 offer for him to go into a mental institution. 795 00:36:07,580 --> 00:36:08,580 Yeah, they probably do. 796 00:36:08,580 --> 00:36:10,740 But it sounds like a, I mean, to me, I don't know. 797 00:36:10,740 --> 00:36:13,660 And I don't want to sound like I'm paranoid, but it kind of sounds like a little bit of 798 00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:14,660 a cover up. 799 00:36:14,660 --> 00:36:18,140 They're like, we're not going to open up that can of worms, you know? 800 00:36:18,140 --> 00:36:23,460 So Kraft actually sued McDougal and the publisher of Angel of Darkness in 1993 for a previous 801 00:36:23,460 --> 00:36:26,500 book that McDougal had written about him. 802 00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:29,380 He sought $62 million in damages. 803 00:36:29,380 --> 00:36:31,860 What are you going to use that money for in prison? 804 00:36:31,860 --> 00:36:37,220 The suit contended that the book smeared his quote, good name. 805 00:36:37,220 --> 00:36:39,820 Oh, not even kidding. 806 00:36:39,820 --> 00:36:40,820 The book did that. 807 00:36:40,820 --> 00:36:41,820 The book did that. 808 00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:45,340 Not the fact that you murdered almost a fucking hundred people. 809 00:36:45,340 --> 00:36:46,340 Yeah. 810 00:36:46,340 --> 00:36:47,340 Yeah. 811 00:36:47,340 --> 00:36:53,620 And it destroyed his prospects for a future employment by ruining his chances of overturning 812 00:36:53,620 --> 00:36:55,740 his conviction on appeal. 813 00:36:55,740 --> 00:37:01,020 The lawsuit was later dismissed by California Supreme Court in June 94. 814 00:37:01,020 --> 00:37:05,300 What future employment, you fucking piece of dog shit. 815 00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:07,220 You were never getting out of fucking prison. 816 00:37:07,220 --> 00:37:11,300 He said he was unjustly portrayed as a sick and twisted man. 817 00:37:11,300 --> 00:37:15,820 I'm just, you know what else is fucking unjust? 818 00:37:15,820 --> 00:37:21,740 The fact that you took the lives of 67 at least young boys and men. 819 00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:22,740 Fuck you. 820 00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:23,740 Oh my god. 821 00:37:23,740 --> 00:37:24,740 Oh my god. 822 00:37:24,740 --> 00:37:25,740 I want someone to castrate him. 823 00:37:25,740 --> 00:37:26,740 He's still alive. 824 00:37:26,740 --> 00:37:27,740 I want someone to castrate him. 825 00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:28,740 Still alive. 826 00:37:28,740 --> 00:37:33,060 Dude, that infuriates me. 827 00:37:33,060 --> 00:37:39,420 So 22 of Kraus' estimated 67 victims have remained unrecovered or unidentified, which 828 00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:40,420 is unfortunate. 829 00:37:40,420 --> 00:37:41,420 Yes, very unfortunate. 830 00:37:41,420 --> 00:37:44,460 This is due in part to the killings having been occurred in several different states 831 00:37:44,460 --> 00:37:49,140 with bodies being discarded in varying locations, especially being outside and stuff. 832 00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:56,740 If you, just a sidebar here, if you are listening and you happen to be connected to anybody 833 00:37:56,740 --> 00:38:01,140 that went missing during these time periods in any of these states, you can definitely 834 00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:02,140 submit. 835 00:38:02,140 --> 00:38:04,900 If you're not doing DNA, they couldn't really test it back then, but they definitely take 836 00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:09,700 DNA and if there's any unidentified victims, you can actually do like a familial match. 837 00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:13,820 If it's somebody in your family that had gone missing, you never got justice or you never 838 00:38:13,820 --> 00:38:18,780 knew, you're completely welcome to call them and submit your DNA if you're comfortable 839 00:38:18,780 --> 00:38:21,940 doing that to try to get some of these victims identified. 840 00:38:21,940 --> 00:38:22,940 Yeah, absolutely. 841 00:38:22,940 --> 00:38:23,940 Because that's very unfortunate. 842 00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:30,620 I would hate for anybody to not get answers for something that they couldn't control. 843 00:38:30,620 --> 00:38:37,660 So an entry in Kraft's scorecard read Navy White and that is believed by investigators 844 00:38:37,660 --> 00:38:41,940 to be a 17-year-old man by the name of James Sean Cox. 845 00:38:41,940 --> 00:38:47,620 And he was an apprentice at a medic station at Marther Air Force Base, so of course that 846 00:38:47,620 --> 00:38:48,620 fits the MO. 847 00:38:48,620 --> 00:38:51,100 He likes to take Marines. 848 00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:56,860 And he was last seen on September 29th, 1974 and he was hitchhiking near Interstate 5 and 849 00:38:56,860 --> 00:39:01,060 his body was found several weeks later in Rancho Santa Fe. 850 00:39:01,060 --> 00:39:05,340 And at the time of his disappearance, Cox dressed in a white Navy uniform. 851 00:39:05,340 --> 00:39:08,700 In addition to the color of his uniform, Cox was also blonde. 852 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:15,220 So Navy White, you know, when you think about what he was wearing, if that makes sense. 853 00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:19,980 So another entry on the scorecard simply reads Iowa and it's believed to refer to an 18-year-old 854 00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:24,900 Marine named Oral Alfred Stewart Jr. and he had been born in Iowa. 855 00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:31,060 His body was found discarded close to a Long Beach apartment complex on November 10th in 856 00:39:31,060 --> 00:39:32,260 1974. 857 00:39:32,260 --> 00:39:36,700 The man died as a result of blunt force trauma and his body remained unidentified until March 858 00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:37,700 2012. 859 00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:38,700 Wow. 860 00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:42,900 So 74 to 2012. 861 00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:48,540 Investigators note the MO as being consistent with Kraft's and especially the disposal 862 00:39:48,540 --> 00:39:52,780 style, which they don't really specify. 863 00:39:52,780 --> 00:40:00,660 So the last scorecard entry that may be cooperated with a victim that went missing is Harikari. 864 00:40:00,660 --> 00:40:07,060 This entry might refer to a stabbing of 30-year-old David Michael Stant. 865 00:40:07,060 --> 00:40:11,220 He was found sexually assaulted and stabbed to death close to a vacant house on Long Beach 866 00:40:11,220 --> 00:40:13,540 in January of 1975. 867 00:40:13,540 --> 00:40:17,500 So the multiple stab wounds were all inflicted in the stomach, which was interesting. 868 00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:22,700 And he was actually found in a kneeling position with his arms extended in front of him. 869 00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:23,700 Weird. 870 00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:29,940 In a position that was reminiscent of what the Japanese called Harikiri or Stepaku, which 871 00:40:29,940 --> 00:40:34,420 is like a Japanese suicide ritual. 872 00:40:34,420 --> 00:40:42,020 So that's one of the last ones that they suspect was his. 873 00:40:42,020 --> 00:40:45,060 And so of course, we don't have to talk too much about it because I know we'll talk about 874 00:40:45,060 --> 00:40:46,060 it eventually. 875 00:40:46,060 --> 00:40:51,740 We'll be like Kearney and Bonin, but Kearney's other nickname and the reason that he had 876 00:40:51,740 --> 00:40:56,300 a completely different MO, but he was technically the trash bag murderer. 877 00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:59,140 So because he dismembered and he put people in trash bags. 878 00:40:59,140 --> 00:41:01,820 And then Bonin, of course, was part of the freeway murders. 879 00:41:01,820 --> 00:41:05,900 He wasn't the freeway killer, but he committed the freeway murders. 880 00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:06,900 So yeah. 881 00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:09,660 But he never used drugs or alcohol like Craft did. 882 00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:10,660 Okay. 883 00:41:10,660 --> 00:41:11,660 So. 884 00:41:11,660 --> 00:41:13,500 Dang, that was a hell of a case. 885 00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:14,500 Yeah, it was. 886 00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:15,820 Kind of pissed that he's still alive. 887 00:41:15,820 --> 00:41:17,180 I know. 888 00:41:17,180 --> 00:41:19,100 It literally, it grinds my gears. 889 00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:20,100 It does. 890 00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:21,900 That's wild. 891 00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:23,300 Well, thanks for sharing that. 892 00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:24,300 That was a lot. 893 00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:26,860 And thanks to everybody for sticking around for our first two-parter. 894 00:41:26,860 --> 00:41:27,860 Yeah. 895 00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:31,860 Hope it wasn't too, too long of, you know, there's a lot of information. 896 00:41:31,860 --> 00:41:35,140 And so we'd instead of giving you a three hour long episode, we wanted to break it down 897 00:41:35,140 --> 00:41:39,420 into two parts and never really talked about his mental status. 898 00:41:39,420 --> 00:41:43,820 But yeah, really he's got the only thing that they talked about was maybe like maybe 899 00:41:43,820 --> 00:41:50,300 a science of like if it's CTE or whatever for from his frontal lobe being damaged. 900 00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:53,700 Yeah, I think he has narcissistic personality disorder. 901 00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:54,700 Probably. 902 00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:55,700 He's just a fucking asshole. 903 00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:56,700 Yeah. 904 00:41:56,700 --> 00:42:02,100 I mean, honestly, personality disorders are so prevalent among killers. 905 00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:05,540 Again, not to say that every killer has that and not to say that everybody that has a 906 00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:08,940 personality disorder will be a killer or is a killer. 907 00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:14,980 However, that is the spectrum of personality disorders is the most prevalent among killers 908 00:42:14,980 --> 00:42:16,300 and stuff that commit crimes. 909 00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:21,820 It definitely seemed that there was a definite like switch that happened somewhere. 910 00:42:21,820 --> 00:42:27,980 And like we didn't really get to see any of that or know about any of that. 911 00:42:27,980 --> 00:42:30,340 It was, you know, he was militant. 912 00:42:30,340 --> 00:42:31,540 He was conservative. 913 00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:34,180 He was, you know, it was very black and white. 914 00:42:34,180 --> 00:42:39,140 And then he just kind of like, like I said, like a flip switched and then it was like, 915 00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:40,460 OK, well, now I'm liberal. 916 00:42:40,460 --> 00:42:41,620 I work in a gay bar. 917 00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:43,140 I am a serial killer. 918 00:42:43,140 --> 00:42:44,140 Yeah. 919 00:42:44,140 --> 00:42:48,660 And it's like, I mean, it's not mentioned if he did, but maybe he suffered a TBI in the 920 00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:52,180 military or maybe he had some traumatic brain injury as a kid. 921 00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:53,180 Right. 922 00:42:53,180 --> 00:42:54,180 And you don't know about it. 923 00:42:54,180 --> 00:42:59,900 And that unfortunately can cause a lot of damage to that frontal lobe and mental crisis 924 00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:00,900 later in life. 925 00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:02,700 Especially if you grow into it. 926 00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:07,900 Like if you had brain damage when you were like in high school or even in college and 927 00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:10,980 then you grow, but this part isn't developed. 928 00:43:10,980 --> 00:43:15,300 Like I say this part like you guys can see that I'm pointing to the front of my head, 929 00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:21,860 my forehead, but this part doesn't mature with you because of the damage. 930 00:43:21,860 --> 00:43:25,660 I mean, yeah, that can definitely do something to someone. 931 00:43:25,660 --> 00:43:26,660 I am. 932 00:43:26,660 --> 00:43:31,540 I don't know about you, but I am very excited to get done with this shit and don't have 933 00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:35,340 to think about this guy anymore because yeah, this case got me. 934 00:43:35,340 --> 00:43:36,340 Yeah. 935 00:43:36,340 --> 00:43:37,340 It's a hard one. 936 00:43:37,340 --> 00:43:38,340 It is. 937 00:43:38,340 --> 00:43:39,340 It is hard. 938 00:43:39,340 --> 00:43:40,340 And I feel for the victims. 939 00:43:40,340 --> 00:43:41,340 I feel for the victims' families. 940 00:43:41,340 --> 00:43:42,340 Yeah. 941 00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:43,340 So many people affected by one person. 942 00:43:43,340 --> 00:43:44,340 Absolutely. 943 00:43:44,340 --> 00:43:45,340 Absolutely. 944 00:43:45,340 --> 00:43:46,340 Well, anything else you got? 945 00:43:46,340 --> 00:43:47,820 No, I think that's it. 946 00:43:47,820 --> 00:43:48,820 Right. 947 00:43:48,820 --> 00:43:51,340 Well, in the meantime, listening to me for two episodes. 948 00:43:51,340 --> 00:43:52,340 You did great. 949 00:43:52,340 --> 00:43:53,340 You did. 950 00:43:53,340 --> 00:43:55,780 In the meantime, you can follow us on Instagram at Diagnosing a Killer. 951 00:43:55,780 --> 00:43:59,220 We also do have Twitter at Killer Diagnosis. 952 00:43:59,220 --> 00:44:03,980 We are also on Spotify, Buzzsprout, Apple Podcasts. 953 00:44:03,980 --> 00:44:04,980 We have our Patreon. 954 00:44:04,980 --> 00:44:08,980 We have our Patreon.com slash Diagnosing a Killer. 955 00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:10,860 And what else? 956 00:44:10,860 --> 00:44:11,860 I think that's it. 957 00:44:11,860 --> 00:44:12,860 That's it. 958 00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:16,180 I think, oh, email us at Diagnosing a Killer at gmail.com. 959 00:44:16,180 --> 00:44:18,380 Please email us. 960 00:44:18,380 --> 00:44:24,740 And I am super happy to announce I just got a call actually during us recording from my 961 00:44:24,740 --> 00:44:30,540 best friend in the world, Zach, and he said that him and his wife, Erin's, show got approved. 962 00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:35,380 And they are wanting to hire me as a freelance writer for their Snapchat show about true 963 00:44:35,380 --> 00:44:36,380 crime. 964 00:44:36,380 --> 00:44:37,380 So I'm really excited about that. 965 00:44:37,380 --> 00:44:40,500 As soon as I have more details, of course, I will put all of that on here so that you 966 00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:42,580 guys can listen to that. 967 00:44:42,580 --> 00:44:44,580 And then, yeah, it's gonna be fun. 968 00:44:44,580 --> 00:44:45,580 I'm excited. 969 00:44:45,580 --> 00:44:46,580 I'm excited for you. 970 00:44:46,580 --> 00:44:47,580 That's great. 971 00:44:47,580 --> 00:44:50,580 Well, in the meantime, we're all coming with another mental breakdown. 972 00:44:50,580 --> 00:44:51,580 Thanks for listening to us. 973 00:44:51,580 --> 00:44:53,580 Yeah, thanks for listening to us on the mental breakdown. 974 00:44:53,580 --> 00:44:55,580 Love you. 975 00:44:55,580 --> 00:44:56,580 Bye. 976 00:44:56,580 --> 00:44:57,580 Love you. 977 00:44:57,580 --> 00:45:23,580 Bye.