Hello. Hello. Welcome back to Diagnosing a Killer, the mental breakdown. Mental breakdown.
This is...Kenna speaking. I didn't even say hi. Hi, I'm Ken. I'm Ken. I'm Ken. I'm Ken.
Hi, I'm Koelle. Oh my goodness. Welcome back to mental breakdown. I am going to be talking about, in general,
general anxiety disorder. However, I'm going to be specifically pinpointing anxiety sensitivity.
Before we begin, I just like to quickly point out that I am not feeling great. So if I sound sick,
that's probably because I am sick. But we'll try to get through this as quickly and easily as possible.
Now, anxiety sensitivity isn't a diagnosis in and itself, but it's actually an indicator that
somebody is going to develop a very complex anxiety disorder or even a panic disorder. So you can
really tell a lot about somebody's future and their mental health based on their symptoms of
anxiety. So anxiety sensitivity, which is great for me because I'm pretty sure I have this. So
that's why I wanted to talk about it because it's something that I didn't even know was a thing until
this semester in abnormal psychology. And I was like, I read it and it was like the heavens opened
up. I was like, that is me. Yeah. And nobody knows that. I don't talk to people about that. That's,
you know, it's not something that's common. It's not something I'm sure it's much more common than
I think it is. But still, you know, now anxiety sensitivity refers to fear of anxiety symptoms,
including bodily sensations, which results from beliefs about the harmful social, psychological,
or physiological consequences of such symptoms. Anxiety sensitivity has consistently been identified
as a risk factor for the onset of panic attacks, panic disorder, and other anxiety disorders in
prospective studies of adults. It has increasingly emerged as a risk factor for the development
of anxiety among children and adolescents. Specifically, anxiety sensitivity has been found
to predict the development of panic attacks among adolescents and has been linked to panic like
symptoms, trait anxiety, fears and anxiety disorders across a range of community and clinical
samples of children and adults. So what is anxiety sensitivity? Anxiety sensitivity is a tendency to
misinterpret the sensations that accompany anxiety, a regular breathing, heart palpitations,
trembling, flushing, sweating, stomach rumbling, things like that. You misinterpret that as
indicators of imminent physical danger or serious illness. I literally just got anxious saying that.
Yeah. So one example, I'm going to have a heart attack or I'm going to faint, loss of control,
can't concentrate, therefore I'm going crazy or humiliating social rejection like everyone
will notice that I'm nervous or that I'm trembling. I'm getting nervous. I'm not even kidding.
No, I was just you. You're making me nervous. So now standard questionnaires have been developed
to measure the phenomenon and I'll go through that in a little bit. But the most widely used is the
Anxiety Sensitivity Index which asks people to affirm or deny statements like unusual body
sensations scare me. Now this term wasn't coined until 1985, but when the concept was defined,
it was a big deal. So again, like I said, it's the belief that the physiological experience of
anxiety itself like a racing heartbeat, sweating or shaking is dangerous and it could lead to
devastating outcomes. In other words, it's a tendency to interpret anxious sensations as
catastrophic. So it's fear of fear. Yeah. And literally that is what it feels though. Like
when you realize that you're getting anxious and you're like, oh my gosh, I'm getting anxious.
Oh my gosh, I'm getting anxious. Literally. Yeah. Driving to work yesterday, I had,
it's driving is such a hard thing for me because I get motion sick really easily,
even sometimes when I'm driving and then traffic and then I'm getting late. I'm going to be late
to work and all these different things like yesterday, I almost pulled over and I was like
15 minutes late to work and I almost pulled over anyways because I was so anxious. I was like,
I'm not going to make it there. Like I'm not my heart's racing. Like it's going to explode. My,
you know, my head hurts and then you get that headband headache that like you can't shake and
that's literally due to stress and the only way to get rid of it is to not be anxious or not be
stressed within it. But then you obsess over it. Yeah. So it's hard to calm yourself down for sure.
So for example, somebody with high anxiety sensitivity, aka me, might fear the dizziness
that comes with being anxious, thinking that it means they're going to snap and have a mental
breakdown. Mental breakdown. We said it. Got her. She's another might fear the pounding heart that
comes from walking into a room of strangers, thinking a heart attack is right around the corner
while another might interpret their nervous trembling as a sign that they're losing control
of their faculties. So I think that this is not only something that I really relate to and I
really genuinely, I'm going to therapy tomorrow. I'm super excited. I got the therapy appointment
for the first time in probably four years or five years and I'm really excited to get back into it.
I'm anxious to go, but I know why I think it's because all of this stuff's going to come out.
And I'm trying not to go into my therapy appointment like expecting a diagnosis or trying
to get a diagnosis. All right, maybe better. Right. But it does kind of help to have that
professional understanding. And I do think that this is something that a lot of people
can relate to and interpret. So I was trying to find any kind of criminal or killer with this.
And it's kind of like OCD. There's a lot of comorbidity with it. There's a lot of diagnoses
that outweigh this. And so I didn't see anything specifically like, I think a person with anxiety
is like the least likely to kill like a diagnosis because they're like, so what happens if I fuck
up or like, that sounds terrible. But it's not linked directly to murder or killers, of course.
No diagnosis is linked directly. It's not prevalent among that community. Because there are other
diagnoses that outshine, for lack of a better term. But I did look up some celebrities because I like
to do that. And I like to kind of interpret. And I did actually get like their take on it. So
the first person that struggles with anxiety, and this is generalized anxiety, this is not
anxiety sensitivity, this is just generalized anxiety, Oprah Winfrey. Now Oprah said in a 2013
interview that anxiety nearly caused her to have a nervous breakdown. She said, quote,
in the beginning, it was just sort of speeding and a kind of numbness and going from one thing to
the next thing to the next thing. I'll tell you when I realize that I thought, all right, if I
don't calm down, I'm going to be in serious trouble. It's just like, I get anxiety. Everybody
gets anxiety. Literally, though. And it's like, it's just somebody that's that on all the time,
you know, is still struggling with these things. Stephen Colbert, same thing. Oh, wow. Of course,
he's the star of the late show. He said he started having panic attacks in his late 20s. He even
realized eventually for him that performing was the key to controlling his anxiety. Interesting.
Right. And that works. That's what works for him. He said, creating something is what helped me just
from spinning apart like an unweighted flywheel. And I haven't stopped since. So some people being
in the spotlight is anxiety inducing and others like Stephen Colbert is helping for him. Courtney
Kardashian, Courtney and Kim both say the base. Court's my favorite. I love court. So for Courtney,
she said that nausea comes when her anxiety strikes. She said, quote, when my anxiety is extreme,
it feels like my body is constantly burning calories all day long. On these kinds of days,
I try to avoid caffeine, alcohol and too much sugar, basically anything that could make it worse.
Wow. So me, that's a great helpful tip, honestly. Because caffeine and alcohol and sugar, all those
things can increase your heart rate and it can make you kind of feel off balance. And I avoid caffeine
too when I'm not. See, I don't avoid alcohol, but I feel the same way. Like the opposite. I feel like
when I feel anxious, caffeine helps me because it feels like I'm catching up. Like I'm catching up
in some way that my heart feels. Yeah, I think that it's freaking me out. Like if I have caffeine,
I think Lindsey, shout out Lindsey, love you. She had to tell me one time when I drank like a sweet
tea and I was like, I'm having like a racing heart. And she goes, you just need to lean into it. Just
tell yourself like it's the caffeine that's making you feel that way. It's not anything else. Like
you know what you put in your body. So you need to know how you're going to react to that. And it
kind of helps you. I think maybe that's what it is. That's why. Yeah. Busy Phillips. I love Busy
Phillips. So co-star of Cougar Town. She says that she wears an anxiety necklace and she is quoted
as saying, I'm proud to wear my anxiety or my neck for everyone else to see. I worked very hard
daily to push through it and not let it get the best of my day. Good for her. I love Busy Phillips.
Freaks and Geeks is like amazing. She's so good in it. Kristen Stewart, of course, the star of
Twilight. In 2016, she had an interview with Elle and she said that she's been able to keep her
anxiety at bay. She said, quote, I obviously hope everything going on right now will work out,
but I'm confident that life is good and I'll be okay, whatever happens. Yeah. I just, I like to
talk about these little celebrities. Adele also is noted as performing anxiety. She has
performance anxiety. She said, I'm scared of audiences, but she's a pop star. I know. She
said one show on Amsterdam. I was so nervous. I escaped out the fire exit. I just got a barret,
but I don't like touring. I have anxiety attacks a lot. I saw her on, what is it,
Cab, with James Corden? Oh, was it Carpool Karaoke? Okay. I saw her on Carpool Karaoke
and she was like almost nervous to sing along to her own song in a car with just her. She's beautiful
and she's perfect. She is so sweet. And it was like, you could tell she was really nervous at
the beginning and then she got into it. But like, oh my gosh, she was so nervous at the beginning.
Missy Elliott is also in here. I love Missy Elliott. You have a really good list.
Right. So the evening before her Super Bowl halftime in 2015, she said that she had an extreme panic
attack, which actually required medical assistance. She said, just before she came out, she gave herself
a pep talk and said, quote, if I can get over this step, then I know all my dance steps will be on
point. I knew it was nothing but the grace of God that lifted me up and took me through that
performance. Wow. Like, we see the Super Bowl is one of the biggest audiences in the world on live
TV. The Super Bowl halftime show is one of the most watched things in the world ever. Yeah.
And she had anxiety before that and you have never known. Yeah. Unless she, unless she heard
a saying. I fucking would. But you know what I mean? But like, you don't think, you don't think
people that constantly sell out stadiums, they get nervous still. Exactly. I mean, I feel like I
would for sure. Yeah. So I mentioned Kim Kardashian. It said that her anxiety is actually heightened
when she's driving. Therapy and other strategies like breathing exercises have helped her. She
said, quote, I just want to get past my anxiety and live life. I never had anxiety and I want to
take back my life. So that's, I mean, the thing is that that kind of resonated with me because
I and I'm not going into it, but we had a personal trauma six years ago and that's when my anxiety
developed. Same to me. And I'd never thought that I had it before then. And if I if I felt
anything symptom wise that felt like that, I didn't know what it was. With our experience,
I was able to understand where it was coming from and what it was. And it's only gotten in my mind
worse as I've gotten older. Yeah. So I think like early 20s and then into your 20s and 30s,
especially for women, it really starts to show itself. And that's a very hard time because
you think, okay, I've gone through life this whole time perfectly fine. Like what happened,
you know, to and sometimes it doesn't take a trauma. Sometimes it just presents itself because of
your age and your development of your brain. I think that for me, I do feel like it has gotten
worse in the last six years. But I also feel like it's almost like I feel like if I didn't know
that's what was happening, then I wouldn't freak out so much. But it also allows me the tools to
be like, no, I need to calm myself down because I'm only hurting my body and my brain by continuing
to feed it. Right. So like if I didn't know what was going on, then I don't think that I'd be able
to talk myself down as easily. But I also am like, I wonder if I didn't know what it was, would I be
able to get over it? Yeah, exactly. Like it's hard to, I mean, now knowing what it is, I take a
number of approaches. I sometimes I try to ignore it, which is not ever a good thing for me personally.
It works for some people, might not work for everyone. Personally, what sometimes works for me
is I confront it. I literally say out loud, I'm like, what do you want? Like what's going on? Why
am I anxious? Why am I feeling this way? Sometimes that helps and sometimes it doesn't. I had an
hour and a half long anxiety attack at work the other night and I had to wait tables and not let
anyone know. My manager's new, of course, say I want to let them know what's going on and my
co-worker's new. I couldn't let that show to my tables. And I was really struggling internally
and all the things that I normally try to help to stop it weren't working. Well, you saw me before
we went to El Merizal and I was like laying on the couch and mom's like, okay, I was like,
like I'm having an anxiety attack. And it's just, I was like, I can't get a deep breath. And the more
I think that, I'm like, I can't get a deep breath. I can't get a deep breath. And then I feel
claustrophobic. God, it just feels like being in like a, like spelunking and being like in a
cavern. You can't like expand your lungs. And it's terrifying. And so I was laying on the couch and
dad was like, blah, blah, blah. And mom's like, could you pause the TV and be quiet for a second
so that she can get over this? Sometimes that does help though. Sometimes changing the subject
helps her trying to focus on other things. The focus was on me. And then I was like, no. And
then that's what I told myself. I was like, I got to get off of the couch so that we can go to
this restaurant. Yeah. Because the only thing is to like, for me is just to push through it.
Of course. And again, what works for us may not work for you or anybody else. I've noticed that
the only thing that 100% works all the time is time. It will eventually stop. Yeah. And I have
to remind myself about that. This is not forever. It's like a bad trip. It is. It really is. And
it's, I think that is something else that comes along with it. Moving on with the celebrities,
Kristen Bell. Okay. Yes, I love her so much. I used to not like Kristen Bell. Then I realized
she's in almost every Disney, different Disney film. Yeah. Yeah. So she said that she's taken
medication for depression and anxiety since she was a child. She spoke out about it in a 2016
interview and said, quote, I still take it today and I have no shame in that because my mom has
said to me, if you start to feel this way, talk to your doctor, talk to a psychologist and see
how you want to help yourself, which is exactly what I'm doing. Ellie Goulding. Who's that? She's
a singer. Yeah. Okay. She said that when her panic attack started, she would cover her face with a
pillow to avoid being seen in public. She said, quote, I think part of what sparked my panic
attacks was not feeling confident enough to believe in myself. I was scared I wasn't as good of a
singer as everyone thought I was. And as the stakes grew, I was afraid I was letting everyone,
including myself down. That's so right. I sure to put on yourself. Oh my gosh. I have a couple
more again, because this is just super interesting to me. Emma Stone. Okay. She said her panic attacks
were so intense as a child that she actually wrote a book about it. She wrote a book called I Am Bigger
Than My Anxiety to deal with it. She said, quote, when I was about seven, I was convinced the house
was burning down. I could sense it, not just a hallucination, just a tightening in my chest,
feeling I couldn't breathe, like the world was going to end. There were some flare ups like
that, but my anxiety was constant. I just can't imagine living like that. I mean, I feel like
I have the, you know, when it does happen to me, I feel like it's the worst thing in the world,
but then you hear things like that and you're like, oh my gosh, like every day of that, I couldn't.
Yeah, I know. I mean, I feel some sort of anxiety every day, but it's not a giant, constant cloud
over my head every second of the day. You know, sometimes it feels like it is, but when you
think about it, it's not. Now, one of my favorite celebrities, Miley Cyrus, I love her very much,
she said that her performance anxiety began early in her career, it caused her to cancel
several shows actually, and she was a child star. She said, quote, then the anxiety started coming
from anxiety. I would be with my friends thinking I should be having so much fun. You get in this
hole that seems like you're never going to be able to get out of. That's me, literally. Joey Vado,
he's a baseball player for the Cubs. His dad actually died in 2008, and he said this is when
he began starting having panic attacks so severe that he wound up being admitted twice to hospitals
during the following season of baseball. He said, quote, it's difficult to explain what it's like
to go through it. If you've gone through it, anxiety or panic attacks being depressed, I couldn't
do my job. You can't. It literally is so stunting. I had the least work because of it. Lena Dunham,
so she said that therapy and exercise are the best ways to combat her disorder. She says, quote,
to those struggling with anxiety, OCD, depression, I know it's mad annoying when people tell you
to exercise, and it took me 16 medicated years to listen. I'm glad I did. And then it gets true.
That's the accelerated heart rate. Yes. Again, yeah. So when I'm anxious, I don't want to exercise,
so I'm like, no, my heart's already racing out of my chest. I don't want to, you know what I mean,
but increase it, but it helps because your endorphin's going and you can literally feel the
anxiety coming off of you. This is a work for me and my now work for everybody. So Dan Harris,
the co-anchor of ABC's Nightline, he actually had a panic attack on air in 2004 and wrote a best seller
at the New York Times about his battle with anxiety 10 years later. He said he's a huge fan of medication,
quote, medication is a doable, realistic, scientifically researched way to get scientifically
happier, calmer, and nicer. And the last one, who has been making news a lot lately for their
outreach to the LGBTQ community and gender identity is Demi Lovato. Oh. Now they said that
performance anxiety isn't just limited to being on stage, just being in a crowd of people can trigger
a panic attack. The only thing that sucks about being in the public eye is doing some appearances.
I don't like award shows. Sometimes a fan will come up and automatically put their arms around me
and I just shut down and start hyperventilating. Like I couldn't do that. Don't go up to random
people, not random people, but people that don't know you, but you know who they are. Yeah, just
don't touch them. Don't just don't touch people just in general. If they're not, if I mean,
yeah, somebody doesn't know you, don't be grabbing people. Seriously. That's so awkward. Seriously.
I'm gonna ask me, I have a hug and then they'll give you a swift no. Yeah. And then that's fine. There
you go. Yeah. I'd like to go back just a little bit and talk about how the term came to be coined
anxiety sensitivity. Now in 1970s and 1980s, the fear of fear was considered as an important
consequence of panic attacks. It was assumed that after a first panic attack, people learned to
fear recurrence and thus developed agoraphobia. Without the physical aspects of agoraphobia,
where you can't leave your home or you can't go certain places. Now in 1985, Reese and McNally
reinterpreted the fear of fear as anxiety sensitivity. Instead of viewing it as the
anticipation of recurrent panic attacks, they suggested that it arises from beliefs that
the experience of anxiety is itself harmful. A person who believes that a pounding heart
is a sign of impending cardiac trouble, for example, might show fear of fear rooted in cognitive
beliefs rather than in associative learning. So it's literally just fearing the fact that you
are fearful. The concept of anxiety sensitivity expressed two ideas. First, it implied that the
fear of fear is at least sometimes rooted in cognition or beliefs, not Pavlovian associations
with prior panic experiences. Second, it implied that the fear of fear could precede panic experiences
and even predict panic attacks, post-traumatic stress, phobias, and other anxiety conditions.
In 1984, Stephen Rice wrote the 16 items on the brief questionnaire and he called and copyrighted
as the Anxiety Sensitivity Index. So I did mention that that is a way of researching and seeing
people's anxiety scales. So I'd like to talk about that. So just items that you would do,
I think it's on a scale of relates to me and doesn't relate. It's almost like a strongly agree,
strongly disagree in the spectrum. So just a couple here, it scares me when I feel faint.
Actually, let me do it to you on air. Is that okay? Okay. Yeah. So it scares me when I feel
faint. That literally happened to me this morning. I was laying in bed and I woke up and I was like,
oh my gosh, I'm nauseous. I'm nauseous because I'm hungry. I'm gonna faint because I'm hungry.
I'm gonna drink some water. It scares me when I feel my heart beat rapidly. Yes. It embarrasses me
when my stomach growls. No, I wouldn't say embarrassed. What do you mean like loud enough
for people to hear? Yeah. Yeah. It scares me when I'm nauseous or I have a sick stomach. Yes. When I
notice my heart beating rapidly, I worry that it might be a heart attack. Not necessarily. It scares
me when I become short of breath. Yes. When my stomach is upset, I worry that I might be seriously
ill. Yes. Unusual body sensations scare me. Body sensations. Like pain, small pain, pain,
un-knead feelings. Yes. It's important not to appear nervous. Yeah. It's important to,
it's important for me to stay in control of my emotions. Yes. When I cannot keep my mind on
task, I worry that I might be going crazy. Sometimes. It scares me when I feel shaky. Yes.
It scares me when I'm unable to keep my mind on track. Yes. Or on a task. Other people notice
when I feel shaky. Yes. When I'm nervous, I worry that I may be mentally ill. I mean, I know it's
anxiety now, but I mean, it scares me when I'm nervous. Yes. If you answered yes to most or all
of those like I did and you just did, you may have anxiety. You may have. If it's none of these
other things, you may have. I actually read through this earlier and I was like, yes, yes, yes.
Like no brainer. Yes. To all of them. Like I think I've gotten over a lot of like my public stuff
and that's something that I think has just grew with my age is that like I'm like, I don't really
care what people think. To a certain extent, of course, I feel like everybody should. But I also,
I privatize myself so much that I've and maybe maybe that's why maybe because I don't want to
feel nervous around people. Yeah. So I don't know. That's very interesting. Yeah. So lastly, I just,
I know that I wanted to do this episode on general anxiety disorders. So we've been talking a lot
about anxiety sensitivity disorder, but I wanted to shed some light on other anxiety disorders.
So I have social anxiety disorder. I don't have that, but I have it on my list. So the DSM-5
criteria explains that as excessive fear being watched or judged by others, extreme self-consciousness
in a social situation, fear that anxiety symptoms will be humiliating or offend others and social
situations are avoided or endured with intense fear and anxiety. See that. I don't think that's me
and I think that's why that's some of those other questions I didn't really. Yeah. Now another one
is called a specific phobia, which a lot of people obviously know about that. We have, you know,
arachnophobia, fear of spiders or things like that, excessive fear of specific objects or
situations, intense fear or panic attacks produced by exposure or, and object or situation avoided
or endured with great anxiety. We also have- We also have- Yeah.
Pretty much the only thing that gives me great anxiety. We also have agoraphobia, like I mentioned
earlier. So this includes anxiety or panic and situations where escape is difficult or embarrassing
and situations nearly always produce panic and are avoided. See, and I feel like, again, like,
I don't have that socially because I like to be social, but I'm definitely one of those people
that sits in specific places and restaurants and when I'm out at the bar, I'm usually always outside.
Yeah. I think- Like, I never can be inside. To me, it's just, it's not comfortable to me.
I would- And I never sit. I always stand. I would say that wouldn't necessarily be as
aggressive as agoraphobia because agoraphobia is when you literally just don't put yourself
in those situations because, like, you don't go on a plane because you don't want to have to be
in a situation where you can't escape, you know? I get nervous on planes, but I would not-
I get nervous on airplanes. But I would never probably not get on a plane unless I thought
there was real reason, like, not to, you know. Yeah. Now, we have panic disorder, which includes
recurrent and unexpected intense attacks of fear or terror, worry about future panic attacks,
and can occur with or without agoraphobia. I don't- So the anxiety sensitivity-
the anxiety sensitivity indicates that you may develop a panic disorder. I hope that
doesn't happen, but I don't- I think that I kind of relate to panic disorder with the
recurrent and unexpected intense attacks, but I don't worry about future panic attacks. I only
worry about it when it's happening, you know? Yeah, I've never really been able to pinpoint why I get
like that, like, and I- I don't know if it's the onset of having to do something- like,
be expected to do something or- Mine happens so randomly. I'll be laying in bed,
trying to go to sleep, and all of a sudden, dying will pop in my head, and I will jump out of bed
and pace around in the living room for a few seconds to calm myself down. It's not fun. Yeah.
And lastly, we have generalized anxiety disorder, which is what I was talking about earlier. So
this is excessive anxiety and worry over life circumstances, an example, money, family, or
school, difficulty controlling worry, and vigilant muscle tension, restlessness, edginess,
and difficulty concentrating. I think that's really me. Yeah. So I wanted to take this episode to
not only shed light on anxiety disorders, but also kind of give you guys a little bit of insight
into who me and Coel are, because I think both of us relate really well to the- to generalize
anxiety disorder, you know, anxiety and general- And something that runs in our family and always has,
and I think it's- I'm just grateful that now, because of the way that the mental health
dialogue is progressing now as far as, you know, the states and stuff, that we can talk about it
a little bit more, and I'm thankful that I'm growing up in this generation. Yeah, absolutely. I like
the openness about it, you know, and I told- when I booked my therapy appointment, I told my friend,
my best friend, that I was like, you know what, I really appreciate utilizing my free resources,
like you, my family, you know, my best friends, my boyfriend. However, it's not their- I don't want
to say job, but it's not anyone else's responsibility to diagnose you or help treat your symptoms,
if you have the opportunity to talk to a professional. Yeah. Of course, like we said,
like in the last episode, utilize your free resources, talk to people, vent if you want, however,
if you're really interested in getting a diagnosis and starting to make progress and starting to
feel better, the only way to go about that, in my opinion, if you have the resources, is to talk
to a professional. Yeah, there's actually like a lot of other free resources. I know that there
are some free counseling- There is free professional resources. Yeah, exactly. Well,
I'm glad that we got to talk about that one. I was like, I know, my anxiety is like so heightened
right now. I need a break. Well, thank you guys for joining us for another mental breakdown. We
will see part two of Brandy Kraft coming out in the next couple of days. Yes. And then we will see
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