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Today we are going to be talking about Carla Faye Tucker Carla Faye Tucker. Okay, hmm
this wasn't not a known one for me. I I started reading and I got interested and
You might have a differing opinion of me at the end of this and I had a differing opinion at the end of it as well
Because I was yourself. Yeah, I thought I wouldn't do it thinking one thing and then
Thinking of those like yeah
So without further ado Carla Faye Tucker was born on November 18th 1959 in Houston, Texas
To Larry and Carolyn Tucker. She was the youngest of three girls her older sisters being Carrie and Kathy both with case
So it's just like us all three of us start with case Kathy and Carla. Yes
Now by all accounts her parents didn't have the best marriage
We see this a lot in cases of you know like this children growing up to be killers. They usually didn't have a great home life
Yeah, it's just interesting that I mean that that clearly will forever be a theme
Yeah shows how the importance of your mental development growing up. Absolutely now Carla began smoking cigarettes with her older sisters at the age of
eight eight eight
So we don't even know what a cigarette. Maybe I did but and
At age 10 her parents decided that they were going to divorce and actually during these divorce proceedings during the court hearings
She had found out that her birth was the result of an extramarital affair. Okay, so her mom mom
Okay, yeah, I had had an affair and she was the result of my own. I know
Well, her mom not being the you know having a good track record yet
She was a prostitute and she actually introduced Carla to drugs and sex at the age of 12
Oh my gosh, and then introduced her to prostitution at the age of 14. So maybe okay, so I mean again
we don't know the ins and outs right like but
But maybe I don't know did the mom's like because of the divorce did the mom starts to decline
You know maybe she was already in there might have been because of her behavior
Oh, I see okay
So maybe she was prostituting on the side or maybe she was already cheating and she was like oh I can get paid for this
Yeah
Now get this at the age of 14 Carla dropped out of school
And then she went to live with her mother full-time
Where they both began traveling with well-known rock bands like the All-Men Brothers Band
The Marshall Tucker band and the Eagles
What so they started she was 14 and her mom was how a holder out of school to become a Garooby pretty much
Oh my god, isn't that awful that is awful now when she turned 16
She met a man named Steven Griffith and was briefly married to him. Okay. He was obviously quite older
He was 68 right now in her early 20s. She began hanging out with bikers. That was like kind of her theme. Okay
She was like a scene biker rocker chick
Yeah, so she started hanging out with bikers and it was at this time that she met a woman named Sean Dean and her husband
Jerry Lynn Dean. Okay. Her name is Sean, but that's the wife just to be clear because I got a little confused when doing research and
In 1981 when Carla was 21 this couple introduced her to a name
A name to a man named Daniel Ryan Garrett. Okay, and he was 35 at this time and she was 21
Okay, I mean she's an adult
But now after spending the weekend using drugs with Danny and their friends Carla and Danny entered
Jerry Dean's apartment so the husband in Houston, Texas on July 13th
1983 between 2 30 and 4 30 a.m. With the intent of stealing a motorcycle that he had been restoring
So their friends with this couple your biker, you know kind of group. Yeah, and they're like, let's get some money
I guess their their original plan was
Carla had had a conversation with Danny and this accomplice that they'll end up having James that included wanting to go over to Jerry's apartment and
Intimidating and them intimidating him into giving them money
And then if he refused they were trying to like list out things that they would just steal instead
Right much so like in order of importance pretty much. Yeah, I remember this case. Oh, yeah a little bit
Yeah, just when you said with the intention of stealing a motorcycle. Yeah
Like all came crashing
During these conversations like two weeks prior one account had actually said that Carla was heard talking about quote
Offing Jerry
So it doesn't seem like the intention was to go over there and intimidate him
It was yeah and steal stuff. It was with the intent to probably murder him. Yeah
As well as steal things. Yes
Now this night like I said another friend of theirs named James LeBrandt went with them to Jerry's apartment
James later reported that he himself went looking for Jerry's El Camino because they were kind of steal that that was one of the things
While Carla and Danny entered the apartment with a set of keys that Carla claimed she found she sold James
I found these keys, but in reality she stole them from Sean and then convinced Sean that they were lost
So she's planning this as fuck. Wow
Why was just thinking that maybe James might only think they're going there to steal something? Oh, yeah
I don't think yeah, I don't think he thinks that at this point. Yeah murdering anyone. I agree
But clearly she's Carla's been planning this yes for a while now during the burglary
Carla and Danny entered Jerry's bedroom where Carla sat on top of him
You know what you do when you're trying to intimidate when you're trying to it's a real intimidating. Yeah, it might be I don't know
Yeah, Carla actually later relayed to her older sister Carrie that when she entered the room
She immediately put this pickaxe that was next to the bed to Jerry's head and told him quote
Not to move motherfucker or you're dead
And this is very weird because later it's like oh no like what was me kind of like but okay
So again, she's telling people or like at least her accomplices, you know a
Combliss that James that they're just going in there to steal stuff, right? Yeah, but who who was the other guy that's with her?
Her husband Danny Danny. Well her partner. I don't know if they were married. Okay Danny. Yeah, the older guy
I know Danny and Jerry's on very I know it was like Danny. Danny's the bad guy Jerry's the victim
Okay, so yeah, she be lines it for his room and then it's like
Don't move don't move motherfucker. Oh, you're gonna get this big
Surprise mother fucker. Oh shit
Now trying to protect himself, of course Jerry grabbed her above the elbows
It was noted and this is when it gets kind of hairy because one source said something another source said something different
So I'll give you both sides of it. Okay one source said that Danny
This is when Danny intervened Danny then hit Jerry numerous times on the back of his head
With a ball peen hammer that he had found on the floor next to the pickaxe and after hitting Jerry
Danny left the room. I know why does he have all these weapons next to it?
I was gonna say is Jerry a minor like he goes to the mining, you know
He's a coal miner every day to go dig for gold like what is he's got a pickaxe a ball peen hammer
Like I would say a pickaxe is a little out there for like a weapon
Yeah, yeah tool like us right now after hitting Jerry with this hammer
Danny then left the room in order to carry the stolen bike parts out of the apartment
Carla stayed behind however and this is when James returned. Remember when James went to go look for the car?
Yeah, so he returned at this time. He entered the room for whatever reason. Maybe he was looking for Carla
Or maybe you heard her yeah, and he later reported that at this time. This is kind of bad
Jerry was making a gurgling sound. Yeah, of course, which is what you do when you have blood and you know that area and
According to James Carla responded by pulling the pickaxe back out
Smiling and hitting Jerry again with okay, so like really fucking creepy. Yeah unless it's overkill. Oh, of course
I mean, I guess you could justify it by saying she didn't want him to suffer or whatever it is
But it's like, you know, are you trying to render him?
defend like
unable to defend himself or are you
actively trying to murder someone yeah, exactly now this is when James LeBrant left the scene
But he later helped Danny dispose of Jerry's car and I'll explain why
Danny and Carla both reported that they were angry with James for leaving the scene like right after that
I'm out of here. Exactly. This is what I signed up for I'm out exactly
So in order to make amends and I put and to prevent them from killing him too
This is why James came back later to help with the car so that he was a kind of part of it
I guess maybe he was scared that they were gonna come after him next yeah saw something Danny after this point that James left
According to this source Danny re-entered the room where he reportedly gave the final blow the fatal wound to Jerry in the chest with the
Pickaxe Wow another source did not mention that Danny helped with Jerry's murder at all and
Instead said that Carla stuck Jerry with the pickaxe 28 times while he was begging for his life and
Repeatedly using her name when he was pleading with her
So the first account was Danny's account of the events there was two separate accounts
It wasn't either one of their accounts. I don't think it was different reports. I read two people. Oh
It's two different reports. Well, maybe I maybe it was one of their accounts
But it didn't say like this is what Danny said and this is what you know
Carla it was like two different sources that I was reading right so it could theoretically be someone that Danny told
Yeah, and then someone that Carla told yes, and then or James told and this is just different
potential
Interviews the police had with people. Yeah, and so and so we'll pretty much see that the first source that I read says that Danny and
Danny was mostly responsible for Jerry's death and Carla played a role
The second one says Danny didn't even help at all. It was all Carla. Okay, or that killed Jerry
now
Danny then left the room again to continue loading the bike parts into the Ford Ranchero that they had driven there at this point again
Carla was in the room by herself when she noticed a woman
Who had hidden under the bed covers and against the wall in the same room? Wow been here this whole time?
Well, this woman was one Deborah Thornton. We're gonna call her Debbie. No one
Now Debbie had actually gotten into an argument with her husband the day before
And went to a party where she ended up staying the night in Jerry's bed with him
Oh, well what happened, but yeah say anything like that. It was just maybe they were just friends or whatever
Now upon discovering Debbie Carla and Danny knew that her that Carla's name had been said over and over from Jerry when he was
You know being
Hurt and the lights were also on and so they said well, she's a witness
We need to kill her as well. Hmm now
It's reported that Carla grazed Debbie's shoulder with the pickaxe where of course Debbie began to freak out because I'm next
I saw what you just did to him
The two started to struggle Carla and Debbie and it was at this time that Danny reportedly
Re-into the room. He just keeps going back and forth. I know this room is coming in check in on yeah
I'm sure everybody's okay or not
So he re into the room and a reportedly separated the two well then Carla proceeded to hit Debbie
repeatedly with the pickaxe and then
Embedded it into her chest where it punctured her heart and this is actually where the weapon was found later by investigators
She left she left it there. Yes
Um, this is bad trigger warning
Carla later made a statement and testified that she had experienced multiple orgasms with each blow of the pickaxe during both of the murders
That's fucking disgusting
So it's like not only are you like this monster of a person, but you're like genuinely enjoying you really enjoy it
That's I just got a full body heaps
Now the next morning Carla showed up at the house of Douglas
McAnger Garrett who is Danny's brother at about 6 30 a.m. In Jerry's car, so she drove the car over there. Okay smart, right?
Yeah, she yeah now. I'm trying to hide it. Yeah now after unloading the motorcycle frame from the back
She said and I quote we off to Jerry Dean last night
Just straight up. Yeah, and I'm sorry last night went to a movie murdered again. How cold is that we often?
That's like you put something you hear in a movie that you're like now. No one would fucking say yeah
We're gonna whack the guy. Yeah
Now she told him about how Danny hit him with a hammer
But she with a pickaxe and once again said that she received sexual sexual gratification
So this is multiple people that she's told
She then handed the brother Jerry's wallet which Doug immediately burned in an ashtray
Although Doug insisted he burned it in an ashtray right fine. I mean seriously. I burned it in the sink like this
It's bizarre
Although Doug insisted they removed the motorcycle parts from his garage
He actually later allowed his brother Danny to store some of the parts with him
He actually disposed of the parts before going to the police, but led them to Dana Danny and Carla at a later time
On top of all of this he also called a man by the name of JC Moiser
He's a family friend who just so happened to be a detective in the homicide division
What and he gave him James LeBrand's name as well. So he's like yeah, you can hide your
Accomplishing murder shit here, but then I'm gonna turn around and turn you in like I'm sure it's I don't know what I would do in
That situation I'd probably be like yeah
I'm cool with everything and then immediately when I'm like run to the police. Yeah, I mean
I don't I mean
I think it's kind of a little weird that you would witness a murder like James did and not immediately go to the yeah
I mean, but I get that
Then he would have to really like explain what he was doing there. Well, I'm there to steal a bunch of shit
Yeah, and then I witnessed a murder
I wasn't there to do a bunch of shit
Yeah, I was just passing through at 3 a.m
So the brother Doug actually as well later assisted the police and obtaining a taped conversation
Between Carla and Danny that discussed the murders. So idiots
Dummies. Yeah
Now on the other side of things on the victim side the morning after the murder one of Jerry's co-workers by the name of Gregory
Scott Traver had actually been waiting on Jerry to give him a ride to work
Well, he became worried when he didn't show so he went over to the apartment to check on him
And this is when he discovered the gruesome scene along with the two bodies
He also noticed that the motorcycle was missing and the TV had been moved
So he looked I think he noticed that first and then he noticed the bodies
He went to the go sit down on the couch to watch some TV. He's like, huh, this is just like cocked sideways a little bit
Yeah, it's bizarre
Now on the evening of June 13th, so this is the same day
But like obviously that happened in the middle of the night and now this is that night
Carla and this honestly cringed me the fuck out Carla and Daniel is cringy of any ways
Carla and Danny were watching TV when they saw the news about the murders
They reportedly laughed and giggled and said that they were famous and then they just called up James
So that he could come over and watch along with them. Oh my gosh, they're famous. I'd be like get fucked
I'm not watching that with you. Are you not scary?
Now this is where I'm gonna talk about the bodies so a little bit of a content warning
Examination of the bodies showed that Jerry had been struck in the head and had several stab wounds
There were a total of 28 stab wounds 20 of which could have been fatal along with a fatal skull fracture
So that's like pure fury over like that's that's way overkill. That is so unnecessary
Now Debbie also died from multiple stab wounds to the chest and stab wounds and blunt trauma to the back
Pickaxe like the one recovered from the scene obviously caused the wounds that killed them both
well, it was very obvious in Debbie's case, but you know
It could multiple people it could have been multiple, you know weapons and so they determined that that was the weapon that killed both right
Yeah, well, I mean she has a pickaxe
protruding out of her chest. Yes, I could imagine that they could say that
But she wasn't struck as many times as Jerry, right? I mean, I don't know
What it seems like right? Yeah, so yeah, I mean it definitely seems like it was mostly geared towards him
but it might also be that
Maybe it wasn't as personal for Carla because she didn't know Debbie
But she knew Jerry and Jerry could tell the police officers like who they were
Yeah, I was debating on whether or not I wanted to say this because I didn't want to sound insensitive
But Carla nobody fucking has 28 orgasms in a row. Nobody like you said you had an orgasm with every blow bullshit
Sorry, that's really terrible. That is overkill
Like you were a fabricator. Yeah, anything else you're a fucking liar. Yeah, but you're the worst liar in history
Now the investigation led to Carla and Danny's arrest just five weeks later. I
Actually didn't hear if or come across I probably should have looked into it a little bit more
But I didn't come across anything about James getting charged or tried for anything
Well, you know what and a lot of times like that, of course like he was afraid probably to come forward
Yeah, in general because he was gonna steal stuff. Yeah
Um and of clearly he like aided in the disposal. Yeah evidence, but with his testimony
He probably got a plea deal. Yeah. Now in September of 1983 Danny and Carla were indicted for murder and tried separately for the crimes
Carla was originally charged with both murders
But after testifying against Danny the charge for the murder of Debbie was dropped dropped dropped
Any the okay, so she basically took a plea where she didn't have to get charged for both murders
Yeah, when she testified against Danny. I also read that Danny was not charged with her murder either
so
Carla entered a plea deal of not guilty and was jailed while awaiting trial
But it doesn't seem like either one has been got charged for the murder of Debbie at all. That's terrible
She was just much of a victim is yeah charge for the murder, but I don't know
I don't know if somebody has any information about that email us please
Yeah, I mean it might not have been a first-degree murder charge. It might have been a different type of charge
Yeah, of course
And we'll get actually there's a lot of information in here about Debbie's brother, so we'll get to that
I didn't find much about her actual
Conviction or Danny's but I will tell you that the death penalty was hardly ever sought out for female killers, of course
But however Carla along with Danny were both sentenced to death
Now as soon after being in prison Carla took a Bible from the prison ministry program and read it in her cell
I actually listened to that she was gonna eat it right I
Took a Bible and then she ate it. I was watching a documentary on the plane and it said
That the lady that was like like hosting them in the prison ministry
She said that Carla like sneakily took the Bible like she thought she was stealing it. She was like she had no idea
They were free
I do that at like grand openings that trade her toes
You don't have to sneak those their gifts
Now after reading the Bible she later recalled quote
I didn't know what I was reading before I knew it. I was in the middle of my cell floor on my knees
I was just asking God to forgive me and honestly dude in this documentary that I watched
It's called like the power of forgiveness or something and I'll explain why later, but she's it's like I almost believed her like she's
Very convincing and she seems like the nicest fucking person. I'm like
Were you just like really on drugs and that fucked you up? Are you that manipulative as a person?
I mean, I would think she's that manipulative. I mean that's terrifying the fact that she
You clearly she has no remorse by going around and telling people the story. Yeah, and that she climaxed a billion times which again
liar
You are a liar
But I mean, you know what I'm saying like she thinks that
That probably made her sound cool, which is even worse like
Than just being like boisterous about it. Yeah, so yeah, I think that that's a bunch of
Bullshit that she's like she knows she's gonna be on trial now all the sudden she's gonna turn her life around because she stole a
Bible. Yeah, no, I don't think so. Yeah, so this actually says
Carly became a Christian in October of 1983 and she later married her minister Reverend Dana Lee Lane Brown in 1995
And they actually had a Christian wedding ceremony inside the prison
Seemingly reformed
Now, yeah, so I'd mentioned that Danny was also on death row, but Danny ultimately died of liver disease in 93 while awaiting execution
between 1984 and 1992
requests of Carla or requests by Carla for a retreat
Retrial and appeals were denied
But on June 22nd Carla requested that her life be spared on the basis that she was under the influence of drugs at the time of the offense
She said that she was now a reformed prisoner and if she had not taken the drugs the murders would have never happened
There's tons of people that do drugs and don't murder people literally like tons of people
Yeah
billion people
like a billion orgasms
Now this was
Very interesting to me her plea drew support from abroad and also from some leaders of american conservatism
Among those who appealed to the state of texas on her behalf
were
Bakri Wally Nidavi
He was the united nations commissioner on summary and arbitrary executions the world council of churches
Pope john paul II oh my god
Italian prime minister Amano Prody the speaker of the u.s. House of Representatives newt gingrich
televangelist pat robertson and ronald carcin debbie's brother
What all of these people appealed to the state of texas on her behalf so that she wouldn't get executed
But like still life. Yes, not out of jail just not executed. Okay
Now the warden of texas's huntsville prison also testified that she was a model prisoner and that after 14 years on death row
She had likely been reformed because he's a psychiatrist. Is he really no i'm lying. He's definitely a psychiatrist
I think you're a word flyer
Even with all of this the board still rejected her appeal on january 28th
1998 hours before the execution
George w bush who was the governor of texas at the time
Refused the final 11th hour appeal to block her execution now while on death row carla was incarcerated in the mountain view unit
Of gatesville texas that sounds too fancy mountain view mountain view. There's no mountains in texas east texas
Oh, no, he's hills flat hill country about the mountain country. Where's the mount?
Where's the closest mountain?
mexico new mexico
mexico mexico
The old mexico
Old mexico oj oj mexico now she became the texas department of criminal justice
criminal
Now she became the texas department of criminal justice's death row inmate number
seven seven seven
Right jesus that's fitting because she was all about god. Yeah this time
Now on february 2nd 1998 state authorities took her from the unit in gatesville and flew her on the td
She did it and flew her on the td cj aircraft
Transporting her to the huntsville unit for her last meal. She requested a banana a peach and a garden salad with ranch
Dang that sounds good. Right? It does look like my meals. I know not really i'm like
What was it something peach a banana a peach and a garden salad with ranch?
What do you think they were organic if I had to have one more banana in my whole life?
It would be an organic banana. Of course. You can't have a different one. They taste the way all bananas should yes
It's so weird. I agree that and sumo oranges sumo oranges are the way that every orange should taste
tony knows what i'm talking about sumo oranges are delicious and you can get them every march
Oh, there's such. Yeah, there's a seasonal citrus. What's november? I know i'm excited
We're gonna have cold weather early this year too. We're gonna have big sumo oranges. I'm so excited
Now carla also selected four people to watch her die
Who included her sister carrie weeks?
Don't know where the other sister was her spouse danin brown her close friend jackie onkin
And ronald karson debbie's brother
Now the way that this works and I heard about this in the documentary which I did not know
There's a it's like a three box kind of thing in the middle
There's the table with the gurney and straps so they can put the in-mid on there
Right on one side and another room is the victims family and on the complete other side is the
Prisoners family and friends whoever yeah, so
ronald karson decided himself that he wanted to be on her side of the execution
Instead of the victim side
Now you may be thinking me why the fuck with the victim's brother want to be on her side of the execution
Why the fuck he actually supported the execution of her at first
But after a religious conversion he decided that he was against any and all executions
Everyone's converting
I'll get I'm gonna get more into that in just a minute because I'll go because this is very interesting
But now the witnesses for the murder victims included debbie's husband richard
Her only child william joseph davis and her stepdaughter katie
Carla's execution was also witnessed by many members of the tdcj
Warren baggit and various representatives of the media
Before I continue I really just want to talk about ron really quickly because I've been kind of like hinting at it hinting at it
Because it also obviously seemed strange that he was on her side
Now this is his side of the story
He had actually gotten home from work at 5 p.m. The day of the murder or the day after the murder
And he gets a phone call from his dad saying that he needed to go over because his sister had been murdered
He said he didn't believe it and it became real to him when he saw it on tv
Their mother had died when he was five and his sister pretty much raised him the only two children of the family
So they were you know just them two. Yeah, she made sure he had clothes to wear that there was food on the table
He said that she would slap his hand if he did something wrong and made him do his homework
I mentioned that the mom had died when he was five
She had left their birth father when they were little very little and had been with this new man
I'm not sure if they were married or just together. I see he took on the role of caretaker when she died
However, the kids didn't really want to stay with him
I don't didn't hear anything about abuse or anything, but they weren't it wasn't their real dad and their real mom was gone
Now when deborah was old enough she took it upon herself to travel to texas in search of her birth father
I think that her and ron had two different birth fathers is what happened
Now three years later when ron was 15 he left for texas to reconnect with his sister
He said that when he arrived he got really into drugs alcohol weed lsd. Whatever he could get his hands on
He just went down a really bad path. Yeah later on this is after deborah was murdered
Ron had reconnected with his birth father for a long time. He finds out that his birth father father has been shot and killed
Yes, he was murdered and then he found out that he had been murdered
He had reconnected with him and had had him in his life for a while, but after deborah was murdered
I didn't say how long after he found out that his birth father had been murdered
But it seemed like it was very shortly afterwards within like a few months damn
Now apparently his dad was murdered by a teenage male prostitute in his home. Okay. I want to talk about this case
That's why I'm mentioning this because it's very interesting
Now ron turning back to what he knew began getting worse into the drugs and alcohol until he was given the bible that his dad owned
His dad's one of his dad's doctors actually gave it to him
Wrote in it for him and then after they went through the belongings and stuff the doctor gave this to ron as a gift
Hmm. He said he had never read the bible before and he was really fucked up that night and he began to read the word of god
And got to the part where they killed jesus and he said and I quote my god. They even killed god
So he said
He said that he prayed that night. Oh, bloody. Yeah, right. He said he prayed that night for the first time
He then went to visit carla in jail
Intending on being a dick and spitting in her face and stuff like that
And he actually told her that he forgave her
After getting his relationship started with god
He said that this is when he's hatred and anger was taken away and a weight was lifted off his shoulders
He also said that he continued to write frequently and visited carla once every two months all the way up into her execution
He actually that's why he decided to sit on the prisoner side of the execution room on that day
He was noted as saying that she did not need to die and that her and debbie were he knew that they were sure to get along in heaven
Because nothing bad matters up there
Again, I only mentioned this because I really would like to cover the story of his dad because that seems like an entirely
Different story, you know in and itself. Yeah, but I just think that's super like
Super big. I could not I don't think I could do that. I think that it's it's kind of
for me and
I feel like
He found a coping mechanism that works for him and that is throwing himself into religion and I think that
Clearly he had been through a lot growing up and for his sanity. Yeah, he needed that absolutely and and
You know with the loss of his sister and the loss of his biodad and yeah, totally
I can see that like he's already carrying so much why carry these extra things too like
Harboring, you know, these these bad feelings. So yeah, it makes sense now
I'd like to mention carla's last words because they're interesting
She said and I quote after being asked if she would like to say anything quote. Yes, sir
I would like to say to all of you the thornton family and jerry dean's family that I'm so sorry
I hope god will give you peace with this. She then looked at her husband and said baby. I love you
She then looked at ron and reverend. I love you. Sorry
Mr. President mr. Reverend
She then looked at ron and said quote ron give peggy a hug for me
She then looked at all present weeping and smiling and said quote everybody has been so good to me
I love all of you very much. I'm going to be face to face with jesus now
Warren bag it. Thank all of you so much. You have been so good to me. I love all of you very much
I will see you all when you get there. I will wait for you. That's what she said. That was her last words
damn
She was executed by lethal injection on february 3rd 98 and as the chemicals were being injected
She praised jesus christ licked her lips looked at the ceiling and hummed just like kind of eerie
She was pronounced dead at 6 45 p.m. Only eight minutes after receiving the injection
She was buried at forest park laundale cemetery in houston texas
This was interesting. She was actually the first woman to be executed in the state of texas in 135 years
With chapita rodriguez being the first being the most recent
Um was executed by hanging in 1863 during the american civil war
Karla also became the second woman executed in the u.s. Since the reinstatement of capital punishment in 76
Dang doesn't happen for a woman. Yeah executed. I mean it was particularly brutal, of course and that's like
I think the orgasm thing really did it for me. I'm like, yeah
Like that is a part that is definitely a part of
Whether it's true or not. She got gratification out of saying it. Yeah, you know and that's like that's creepy
That is the complete lack of empathy it for me for sure now in the year following her execution
Tucker carlson who was noted as a conservative commentator that is not my words. That's what it said
Okay, question governor bush about how the texas board of pardons and peroles had arrived at the determination on her clemency plea
To not let her you know her plea go through
Karla's an alleged that bush alluding to a televised televised interview which karla had given to larry king
Smirked and spoke mockingly about her who was being interviewed larry king larry king was interviewing karla
Karla, but this guy carlson was saying that bush was referring to this interview in which karla had given to larry king
And when bush was saying it he smirked and spoke mockingly about her. You got her
You got her bush
Another man by the name of fred allen
He was the captain of the quote death house team was interviewed by verner herdsog for the 2011 documentary called into the abyss
Within days after karla's execution by the way, this guy fred allen had managed over 120 executions at this point
So within days after hers, he suffered a quote emotional breakdown
I really wanted it to say mental breakdown so I could be like
And he actually resigned from his job giving up his pension and changed his position on the death penalty
He was noted as saying quote. I was pro capital punishment after karla fe and after all this until this day
11 years later. No, sir. Nobody has the right to take another life. I don't care if it's the law and it's so easy to change the law
So this is like
This is oh gosh
What an interesting case because it's not just about her and what she did but it's all of these like ripple effects that are happening
I think that's what really drew me to this case was all of the
Aftermath of even before she was executed. Yeah
The idea that she was going to be executed sparked all these conversations and all these debates and all these like what if what?
You know, whatever right or wrong kind of thing. What's kind of bizarre to me though is that?
I feel like people get executed every day by lethal injection not women and not women and not like women
She's a pretty woman. Yeah, I hate to say that but she was and she was I mean she was white. Yeah
I mean, that's just that's interesting to me. Yeah, that is the case of
karla fe tucker
and
Annie but I don't think he deserves to be talked about as much. No, she deserves to be talked about. Yeah, the story is much more interesting
You got her
Again, she wasn't necessarily diagnosed with anything but I'd like to speculate on what I think she could have been diagnosed with
Or what have maybe occurred
Now there is a disorder called substance use disorder
We've obviously talked about the fact that she was under the influence of drugs during the time of the crime
It is classified as a mental disorder that affects a person's brain and behavior leading to a person's inability to control
their use of substances such as legal or illegal drugs alcohol or medications
Symptoms can range from moderate to severe with addiction being the most of your form. However
Researchers have found that about half of individuals who experience a substance use disorder during their lives
Will also experience a co-occurring mental disorder and vice versa
Co-occurring disorders can include anxiety depression attention deficit hyperactivity disorder ADHD
Bipolytis order personality disorders and schizophrenia among others
That makes me think that maybe just maybe I'm not giving her an out. I'm just saying maybe
One of these things did co-occur and maybe that's what caused her to have that break because by all accounts
She didn't do anything even remotely close to that for the rest of her life after that
Yeah, you know, so that is interesting like I mean, I've I've definitely had my fair share of experiences with people that
Maybe they smoke weed every day, you know, and it's again not that THC can be an addictive chemical
But the habit can be a drug and the dependency and the dependent
It's made so different than smoking cigarettes drinking alcohol in my opinion
I mean if you overuse the substance you overuse the substance. Yeah, even you know prescription pills
You can overdose on water if you drink too much water it can harm you
It's true you get water poisoning
I know a kid in my class once that he said you can get cancer from apples because if you eat too many apples you go and get cancer
and like
I don't know about all that but
but it's true. I think that
um
When you have a dependency on a habit doesn't matter what habit it is
You're still not allowing your brain a chance to kind of like breathe and settle and realize like
Where your like where your actual like natural tolerances are and like how you can be tolerant around the world around like of the world around you
So, yeah, I total I can think and depending on what kind of drugs which they didn't really say did they exactly?
No, it didn't specify but I think what's really it really holds a lot of weight is the fact that she I mean even cigarette smoking at eight years old
Yeah, so it's drug
Drugs and substance abuse at the age of 12 like you that's
More than 10 years before your brain is fully developed and I know very easily influenced your cognitive thinking and who knows what kind of drugs
She was experiencing while she was on the road exactly their mom being a groupie and like all that stuff
I mean even cocaine you don't know it's in that shit. Well, Drew Barrymore was going to studio 54
I think at 12 her mom was just dropping her off. It was like bad drew have a nice night
Call me when you need me to pick you up sweetheart. And then you know, she was doing cocaine all night. So
um, and she talks about how that still affects her to this day
so using drugs does not make you a killer, of course not and
I think that there is something to be said about people who commit crimes while under the influence
And especially when they've been under the influence for a long time
I mean for her whole life. She was pretty much under the as soon as she was able to kind of do those things
Physically do it for herself. You know, so maybe there is some validity in her turning her life over to god or jesus and
being able to like
Have a moment of meditation and not having this dependency
But I still don't believe in the billion orgasm things. I think that's absolute bullshit
She might have said that when she was high though. I don't know. Yeah, you could you could be a christian
I you want that doesn't mean you can do 30
Organs in one sitting
No, that's terrible
Um, anyways, that's the story of carlifetucker. That was kind of a short one
But I know I think I got you know some pretty decent information in there. It was kind of a cut and dry case
I mean, yeah, it wasn't really like a whole search party or anything like that. They kind of just admitted what they did and then
Right. Yeah, they got it seemed like it. Yeah
I mean I I kind of feel for the james guy a little bit like for him to have to witness that too
And I hope that he had an opportunity to realize that he probably wasn't hanging around the best people
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