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Hello. Hello. I'm Kenna and I'm Koelle. Welcome back to diagnosing a killer coffee

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addition because both of our breaths smell like coffee. I know straight up I'm

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like this is smell bad just coffee. I might be a little jittery here in a

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little bit but I'm not talking today as much. I dissected a rat today.

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What? In my biology class and it was very weird. It's weird because it's

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hard to put myself in the mindset of like oh my god this is an actual critter.

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I'm just kind of like thinking scientifically and so I'm like oh my god this is so cool.

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This is the lung. I have little small intestine. Tiny baby organs. Yeah the liver was actually

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much larger than I thought. It was probably... Do you think you had a sick rat?

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No. I think it's just like that. It's just much larger than I thought. It was

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about the size of like a dollar coin. Really? Pretty big for a rat. How big was

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the rat? It was probably... Like a foot? No it was like big-ass rat. Eight inches?

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Nine inches? It was a fat-ass rat. No but it was an interesting... I opted for that

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animal because the other two options were a crayfish and a grasshopper and I

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fucking hate grasshoppers. It's a crayfish. Like a crawfish. Like a big old crawfish.

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Like a crawdad. A crawdad. Yes. And what was the other one? A grasshopper.

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Oh that would make me sad. It was like this big. That would make me sad. You can't see

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this big in the microphone. It was like five inches long. Yeah. Anyways it's for science.

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Oh man okay so a little bit something different today. I think you are going

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to take the reins on this one and you have your very own case which I don't

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know about so please. I'm so excited. Okay so I was thinking I was like what's my

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topic gonna be and of course we wanted to you know keep in the the mental disorder

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aspect and things like that so I was kind of doing some research but when I

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was talking about the mental breakdown and we talked about Ed Gein a little bit

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and how he's inspired like horror films and stuff I was like what if I do a case

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that's that's birthed a franchise right a scary movie franchise. Oh my god. So I

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won't tell you who it is. It's my guess. It's Jason Borges. So I'm just gonna start

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and you'll probably catch on right. Wait you're not gonna say who it is before you

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start? Ronald DeFeo Jr. who went by Butch was born to parents Ronald Sr. and

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Louise DeFeo. So it's Ronald McDonald. Yeah it's Ronald McDonald. Is it really? No. Yeah

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Ronald McDonald has birthed a horror flick franchise. Well I don't know I don't

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know what you're into. Coffee hasn't kicked in yet. So on September 26, 1951

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in Brooklyn, New York Butch was born to Ronald Sr. and Louise DeFeo. He was the

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oldest he had a sister Dawn who was five years younger than him a sister Allison

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who was 10 years younger than him a brother Mark who was 11 years younger and

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then John Matthew who was 14 years younger. And his parents were busy. So yes at

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the time of the crime that we will discuss he was 23 years old. Oh my god. So yeah

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we'll get to their ages at the crime. Yeah at the date of the crime. But Ronald

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Sr. was a successful car salesman. He worked for a family dealership that was

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owned by Louise's father so his father-in-law. They were considered to be

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upper middle class and the DeFeo's lived a really comfortable life. So comfortable

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in fact that they decided to move away from the big city in Brooklyn and they

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decided to move into a house in a little town called Amityville Long Island. I

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see where this is going. I was like just give it a second. So they moved into

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Amityville in this little township and the house is right on the water. It

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include I think it was like five or six bedrooms, a boat house, an attic basement

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of course and there are life seemed to be really idyllic on the outside. Very

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successful family. It seemed to be a very loving family, a big family, affluent. So

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all that going on you realize that Ronald Sr. is a man who was a hothead.

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Okay. Right? That goes without saying in most of these cases. Verbally abusive to

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the family. He creates a lot of fights within the family just for fun. Okay.

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Even Louise is a victim of his relentless verbal assaults. He basically

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ruled with an iron fist at all times. Yeah. Butch at this time was a bit of a

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chunky kid and that overweight sometimes. His weight would fluctuate a lot. So he

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got bullied a lot during school. Unfortunately that does happen. He was

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also bullied because he kind of had this anti-social type attitude towards

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people. He was kind of a loner, didn't really talk to people. So it kind of

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exacerbated that issue. It was easy to pick on him because he didn't really have

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many friends. The social construct wasn't really there. Right. So he's

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basically getting it from every direction. He's getting it at home. He's getting

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it at school. He doesn't have a lot of places to turn to. So as Butch got older

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he got stronger and he started to stand up for himself and what's kind of funny

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about it is the fact that senior, Ronald Sr. was telling him why are you letting

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these kids bully you. You should stand up. You should stand up. You should fight.

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You should fight. Exactly. And so with senior Butch basically started standing

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up for himself at home against senior. Yeah. Well you told me to. Exactly. And that's

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where he learned it from and so it started becoming physical in the house.

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He was probably 14, 15, 16 around this time. What a guy that Ronald Sr. though

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because like what the hell? Why would you teach your kids that? I know. Teach your kids to like

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physically fight someone that's bullying you when you're the ultimate bully. Yeah

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exactly. I mean if it was like an actual bully situation and the household was

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great yeah I could definitely see like hey someone's fucking with you like

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come on you got to fight back or you got to defend yourself but when he's

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literally the one. Right. So of course he's learning this at home from senior.

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He's taking it to school. He's fighting kids all the time at school. So there was

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some accounts where he would get physical at school because he was learning

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this at home. At a certain point the DeFeo's especially Ronald which is kind

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of ironic recognized that Butch really needed help and specifically he thought

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he needed psychiatric help. That is interesting. Right. But why? Because of

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all the psychological abuse that you start with the explosives to? I guess

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that's what it is is that he realized like fuck maybe I fucked my kid up and

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or I'm fucked up and it's kind of like what do they call that like projecting.

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Yeah. And so he's probably projecting that onto Butch. So Butch denied that he

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had any real medical or mental issues. He said of course that he recognized the

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family dynamic was really fucked up but it really and it really attributed his

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behaviors and he recognized that but he also didn't think that he deserved

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to go through therapy. Deserved? Yeah. Not deserved. Not like he didn't think that

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he was worthy of therapy but that he didn't. He thought it was a punishment

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basically. Oh I see. So he thinks that he's being punished by going to therapy

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not that he's taking therapy away from someone else. He thinks that it's like a negative thing.

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Yeah. It's a negative force to go to therapy. He's being forced to go to therapy and he

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didn't think that it would benefit him because he knew that his problem stemmed

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from his parents being shitty and especially his father being shitty.

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Well you can know all those things. I know where all of my mental illness comes

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from or I'm not diagnosed with anything but I know enough about it to you know

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logically and knowledgeably say yeah this is probably what's going on but I

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still need therapy. Right. Of course. And I can benefit from it regardless of if I

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know what's causing the symptoms or not. Yeah. He definitely attributed a lot of

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his behaviors to his father and his schoolmates. This is what he was saying.

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Like I know where this comes from. I don't need a therapist to tell me basically.

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Well also it's really hard for young people especially young men to attend therapy and

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really you know try to benefit from it and see it as from an adult perspective

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because you know men are all about especially again young men they're very

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impressionable and they've been told their whole lives you have to be strong

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you have to be tough. Right. You can't cry you can't talk about your feelings and

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that's all therapy is. Well and that's what he's getting from seniors. Seniors

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telling him just like nut up and shut up. Yeah. Deal with it fight like you know

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don't be a pussy basically and and that's a horrible way to raise a young

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man in my opinion. Correction that's not all therapy is but that is a lot of what

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happens. Yeah. Yeah. So this is kind of like it kind of gave me a little bit of

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like a chill when I read this. He would go to therapy and sometimes he wouldn't

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speak for an entire hour. He would just sit there. I know. Okay. So on the surface

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that seems really creepy. Yeah. However it's also been proven that that can be

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beneficial in and itself just going and sitting in front of someone that's not

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going to judge you that doesn't have any prior knowledge of you. Right. There's not

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a bias there. That is therapeutic in and itself but yes. But for him it's a

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protest because he doesn't be there. Yeah that's true. So he's like well I'll go

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because my dad or my mom thinks I need to be there but I'm not gonna say anything

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and I'm not gonna talk. He's just sitting there like tightly. And he's just sitting there.

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That's what I imagine like him just sitting on a couch with his arms crossed

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just staring at the therapist or now it is just on your phone. Nowadays on your

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phone for an hour. Yeah. All right. So at this point which is trying not to allow

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therapy to control him or something at this point but the DeFeo's are

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recognizing that he's still struggling and they want to do something to help him.

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What did they do to help him? I don't know. Buy a $14,000 speed boat. What? For him

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or for the family? For him. For him? For him. How old is he? 15, 16 probably. And

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they buy him a speed boat. This isn't Wolf of Wall Street guys. He goes buy someone a

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fucking boat. So they start appeasing him with gifts. That is the opposite of what

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you want to do in this situation. Because again he's aggressive and they

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think if he's happy and monetarily is what they mean. If he's satisfied

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monetarily that makes him happy and then therefore he won't be a disruption.

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All that's doing is rewarding bad behavior and that's telling him that

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you can act like this and you'll still get whatever the hell you want. That is

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literally recipe for disaster. Right. So there again they're trying to appease him

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with money at this point Ronald senior at any point which can just go up to him

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and say can I have some money and he'll give him money and I'm talking like a

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hundred bucks, 200 bucks. I mean like goals but still. In 1974 like that's

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and you're a teenager you're in high school. So what are you spending that on?

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Well, drugs perhaps. Well, it's no surprise after this which is behavior only gets

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more disturbing and he becomes really entitled. So in high school he's still

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which began experimenting with LSD. It's like a deluxe. And by 17 while he's

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still in high school he becomes a full-blown heroin addict. Oh kids do the

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darnest things. They have access to all this money. Cut awful. A full-blown

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heroin addict. So LSD and heroin. At the same time like that's kind of bizarre

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to me because LSD isn't exactly like a gateway drug for heroin. It could be for

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other things but I feel like LSD is for fun. Heroines for like you don't want to

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have fun if you're shooting heroin. Well, but also if he's kind of like a

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like a depressive person maybe that's like because it's a sub-pressive drug

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right? Yeah, it's like an escape. So yeah, LSD and heroin and throughout all of

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this he begins stealing which is so bizarre because he gets money every day

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if he wanted it. He doesn't need to steal but he begins

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thieving because I don't know because he can. Well also because the substance

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abuse that he's enduring or not enduring putting on himself is probably

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making him lack those cognitive reasoning abilities to be like oh I

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should thou shalt not steal. Right. Or I can just ask my dad no I'd rather just

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steal and I guess maybe he didn't want to try to ask his parents for money

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because he was strung out or something maybe he didn't want them to see him or

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something. Yeah, no, you know, right. So of course like again like he's

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thieving, he's stealing, he's high all the time. Of course his behavior is

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becoming more erratic and eventually he is kicked out of school at age 18 or at

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17. Yeah, he's kicked out of school. This is also because of the just

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behavioral issues and the violent outbursts. That sucks because he was so close to

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graduating. Yeah. So of course Ronald and Louise, this doesn't stop them from

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rewarding their son's behavior so at 18 he's given a job at the dealership, the

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car dealership that Ronald Sr. works for and is owned by their grandfather. And you

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think he's gonna show up? Well no he doesn't. No I'm saying they think he's

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about you. And not only that it's not like they just gave him a job like

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entry-level washing cars. He's like a fucking manager and he like is in charge

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of people. An 18 year old strung out man-child. Heroinatic. Heroinatic. Didn't finish high school.

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Yeah and he's just given this position because at least Sr. can kind of keep an

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eye on him. Yeah. It started to sound like therapy might have been the way to go.

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And so not only that but Sr. is still giving him an allowance. That's enabling

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at its finest. That's absolutely 100% enabling. And maybe at this point this

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guy Sr. is having like a epiphany and he's like oh I gotta you know make up for

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all this shit that I put him through when he was younger which really sucks

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for both of them. Because not only is the kid not getting the help he needs

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but the dad probably feels way worse even though he kind of fucking started it.

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of guilt and so he's like well if I give him a job at least he's working for the

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money right. But again he's still giving him a weekly allowance and this is

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regardless of whether or not he shows up to work. And whenever he shows up to

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work. This sounds like a bad story waiting to happen. I mean it's already a

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bad story. At this point Butch has all of this money and he pours it into the

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three things he loves. The car that his daddy bought him he loves to work on that

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car. Okay. Drugs. He loves to work on them drugs. And his third love is guns.

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He loves to work on them guns. He loves to work on them guns. That's not that weird.

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Well it's weird when it pertains to the story.

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Sorry you might get my phone vibrating. It's Trish. Hi Trish. So of course it's not

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surprising that his behaviors escalate with the drugs and the money and the

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guns and all this other stuff. He's on extreme highs at this point. It sounds

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like a rap song. Yeah. This guy live in the life. So on one occasion Butch and a

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group of friends they all went hunting. And at some point during the hunting

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trip Butch is you know they're all chatting and stuff like that. And Butch

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just as a joke kind of raises a rifle to a friend. A friend that he's known since

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childhood. That's not funny. Raises the gun to this boy's head. And the boy is

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like kind of like dude what are you doing and moving. And Butch is just

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following his head with the barrel of the gun. I would have shot myself right

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there. With a stoic face. Oh my god he's like no expression. No joke. He's having

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like a psychotic break and like and the friend is like dude what the fuck

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blah blah blah and he just runs off. And this is in front of a few other boys.

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Yeah. And they might be laughing or whatever. No that's never funny. The boy

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runs off. So they finish the hunting trip him and his friends and they go back

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into town after this trip and they catch up with the boy and with a very

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soft-spoken voice. Butch says why did you leave so soon? Oh my god. You just got all the heaps.

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That is so... Isn't that terrifying? Creepy. And this boy remained anonymous. He told this

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later to the police that they remain anonymous because it scared him. And this

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is a boy that he's known as his whole childhood. That is terrifying. I

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literally guns 101 you never point your gun at something unless you're planning

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to shoot whatever that something is. Even if you know it is unloaded and it's

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not even a working gun you never ever point like that's so scary. Isn't that terrifying?

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Oh my god that's you. The fact that he like followed his head like it's a

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like dipping and diving. It's creepy. Well good thing that that kid ran. Who knows what

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would have happened. It's so scary. So again Ronald and Louise they like to

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fight. They're like one of their favorite things ever. They're just corky like. They're just corky.

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Oh my god I'm so unique. So unique. So Ronald and Louise they fight all the time

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in the house and Butch is always subject to this. He's the oldest. He knows what's

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going on and he's upstairs in his bedroom one night and he hears them just

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going at it. And he gets so upset and he decides that he's gonna do something

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about this. He grabs his 12 gauge shotgun. He has multiple weapons in his room

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like I said he's like a huge gun aficionado and he's got knives and

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stuff. Grads a 12 gauge shotgun and loads one shell into the chamber. Storms

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downstairs. So he has a plan with that one shell. There's not two shells there's

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two people. What are you going for? Puts one shell in the chamber, storms downstairs

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and without hesitation lifts the gun up to his father's face. He immediately says

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you leave that woman alone I'm gonna kill you you fat fuck this is it and he

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pulls the trigger. Oh my god he didn't even give it. Like oh my god oh my god

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go ahead. Ow go ahead. So yeah he immediately pulled the trigger. Did he

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kill him instantly? The gun did not go off and for reasons unknown but there was

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a definite click. My reaction was so genuine and nothing even happened. I know.

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Why didn't you lead with that? Because buried the lead there. That's the way I wanted it though.

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I wanted you to be like what? How scary though because the dad is probably fuming

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at this point. The gun didn't go off like I said. Mr. DeFeo watches as butch's

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face fell in disappointment and then completely stoic again. He lowers the

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gun turns around and walks out of the room like nothing happened. And the dad's

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just like peace? Well the fight ended there was no other fighting the rest of

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the night. I'll say. Yeah. Oh my god that's terrifying. It's not scary. Your son. Your son.

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Like 18 year old nonetheless and there's a grown-up he's a grown-ass kid.

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I mean he's a grown-ass man and like and they immediately just storms downstairs

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and raises a fucking shotgun to your face. I mean at this point he's probably

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very concerned for his younger siblings who are at the youngest seven I think at

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this point right? So I mean he's like fuck this I'll just be the man of the

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house if this guy can't act like a man he's gonna treat my mom like that. I

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mean honestly that's terrible but yeah I think I think John Matthew would have

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been about six yeah. I kind of I don't want to say I get it but I understand

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the want to put a stop to that. I don't think that's the correct way to go about

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it but I understand the want to do that. So clearly in the end of the day the

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family dynamic is deteriorating. Thank you for telling me that I was confused. And

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especially the relationship that Butch had with his father. So a wild story but

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not satisfied with the money that he's making from working it. Quote unquote

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working at the dealership. Yeah it's like maybe because he's not working. And the

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allowance and all the gifts Butch decides to hatch a fake robbery plan. Oh my

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god. So he basically berated an employee to say like for the for the

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deposits but they were gonna deposit in the bank for the entire company. It was

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$1,800 in cash and $20,000 in checks. Oh my god. In 1974. That's a lot. That's a lot of

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money. Yeah. And he convinced the person that usually does it to give him the

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money to go deposit the money. So he had a friend plan this out with him and

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basically gonna rob him at gunpoint. Rob him at gunpoint. Quote unquote. I see.

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Okay so he's so yeah he's so Butch is supposed to take the money to the bank.

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He's supposed to get robbed along the way. And then him and this accomplice

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would split. Butch didn't think that his word alone would mean anything. So he

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convinced another employee to go with him who was in on it. Okay. Butch was like

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my doubts aren't gonna believe this. He's gonna I'm gonna have to have a

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witness. So that's why he took this other employee with him. And again the employee

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knew about it. That's like unfortunately awkwardly cunning. Yeah. So they they

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leave and I think they I think it was about like 12 12 30s and like that

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around lunchtime. They don't come back for two more hours. Okay. And which was an

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usually long time. I mean I've deposited money for my old company and it took

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like 30 minutes. Yeah. It's yeah well usually a lot of places choose to bank

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around the corner because it's convenient. That's true. So two hours it's like

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where's your bank like across the city. I mean at lunchtime I could see it taking

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maybe close to 45 maybe an hour. Yeah. An hour but not two. But two hours was

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exceptionally long for this case. And so when Butch comes back with that employee

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he immediately told his father I was robbed. I was at a stoplight. A man came

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out of one of the cars held the sickum point and stole the money. You would

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think that Ronald Sr. would say Butch is in on this. Right. I don't know. Maybe not.

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I don't know. Maybe maybe not. Maybe not. But instead he turns to the employee that

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allowed him to go and berated this man in front of everyone. Oh that's not his

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fault. He's like why would you let him do that. You know he's irresponsible. Why

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would you make him do this. Yeah. You know the employee. But what even if he is

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irresponsible. What does that have to do with getting robbed. Well that's exactly

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like what. He he blamed this man for basically letting Butch do his job.

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Wow. Yeah. That's not that guy's fault at all. And this poor guy is not even in on

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it. So he can't even be like it's cool. I'll just get bitched out and then I'll

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have some money like well. You know. But the thing is is like I feel like now we've

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gotten a little close with Butch. We know how Butch is. And Butch probably laid into

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this man and convinced him to give him the money. Yeah. And so which he did. But you

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know it's not far fetched that Butch is an intimidating figure. Yeah. And he you know

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he basically intimidated this guy into giving him all the money. And then anyways. So the

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police come of course. And I guess Butch maybe thought that maybe the police wouldn't be

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called since there was a witness or something. But like to him that was a surprise that the

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police showed up. People that deal with criminal case. But I have another witness. You don't

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need to call the cops. So the cops came in and of course they started talking to everybody

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and getting everybody's accounts and Butch was outside and among the cars and stuff

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when the police were interviewing him. And he begins to get frustrated when the police

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asked him why it took so long for him to come back. And he starts getting more and more

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and more upset. The more that the police ask questions to the point where he starts banging

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his fists on surrounding cars. And they're very suspicious of Butch at this point. He

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just doesn't care about the damage he's got. No. He's like bam. 100 dollars. I can pay

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for it. Yeah. I can pay for it. It's like the Hulk. It's weird. Jesus. So of course

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like I said they were having a really difficult time getting anything out of him. They weren't.

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He was giving very vague descriptions on what this robber looked like. And when he started

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getting really irate they were like we'll come back. We'll talk to you another time.

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Clearly this was very traumatic for you. Or so it seems. So Butch was giving very vague

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details about the description of the robber. But the police need to deal with them. They

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said we'll go for now. But next week next Friday we come in and look up at a lineup

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of potential suspects. He said OK. And honestly at this point I think it was just kind of

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a ploy for the police to get him into a room. So he had agreed initially to go but then

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backed out the last minute on Friday. He was supposed to go in the morning. And the last

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minute he backed out and decided to go to work instead. That's not allowed. The father

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and senior he hears about this and he goes to the dealership to confront Butch as to

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why he didn't go. And at this point senior pretty much knows he had something to do with

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it with stealing the money. Yeah. I mean isn't that kind of like evading the police. It is.

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Yeah. And well in all honesty unless Butch is a prime suspect. That's true. He's not

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him. Then he would be obligated. But really he yeah if he's not under suspicion he has

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no obligation to go give them any information. Yeah that's true. But of course seniors pissed

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because he's like if you didn't have anything to do with this why not just go to the police

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station. Yeah. So Ronald was quoted in saying you have a monkey on your back. You need help.

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And Butch got so upset that he stood up and started walking out and he said you fat prick.

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I'm going to kill you as he walked out to his car and then sped off. OK. Now this is

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twice one was attempted murder on his dad and now he's threatening murder again. Why

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is his dad still fucking with him. I'd be like heard. Let's get you instituted because

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you're clearly not sane. I don't know if it's like this battle of wills. Like clearly they

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want their son to shut up and that's why they pay him off. Right. Yeah. I don't know. Is

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it is that that senior is so aggressive that he can't admit defeat. And he taught Butch

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how to do that. So Butch can't admit defeat. I don't know. There's something there's something

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going on there that is not like either one of them. They're two alphas are some shit.

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So in the early morning hours of 14th of November that's in the sun. 1974 all the DeFeo family

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was asleep except for Butch which stayed up for hours and hours and hours and he was

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sitting in his room and he knew what he was going to do. Never a good side. So he grabbed

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a 35 Marlin rifle and he snuck down the hallway to his parents room and he was creeping through

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the house. He opened up the door. He stood at the end of the bed and he basically watched

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them and felt the quiet of the night is the way that he described it. So he's like living

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in this peaceful scenario. They're asleep. He's recognizing this is a they have no idea

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kind of situation and then he proceeds to do what it's almost like he was enjoying the

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quiet before there was no quiet anymore. Yeah. If that makes sense. I mean no it doesn't

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but the analogy makes sense. So Butch raised the rifle and shot his father first. So he

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was shot once and went into his back through his kidney and then out his chest was the

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exit wound and then he was shot again and grazed his spinal cord and then was lodged

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in his neck and that was the fatal shot. So I mean if there's any silver lining usually

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when you when a bullet grazes your spinal cord it paralyzes you so maybe that was a little

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yeah and it really didn't specify if he had moved or anything like that because I do believe

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that senior was found laying on his stomach. So so at this point Louise had woken up of

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course she before she could even realize it was happening he shot her twice as well. Oh

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my gosh and her wound was content warning. Her wound had shattered her and shattered her

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rib cage like her sternum. Yeah. It had punctured it had gone through one of her lungs and it

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had completely shattered her sternum. Oh my gosh. Why did he shoot her too though? I thought

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his dad was the issue because she would have been pissed if she woke up and then he would

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have killed him. I guess or he would have been caught. Yeah. I don't have no idea. What

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was this a few weeks ago he was defending his mom and willing to kill to make sure that

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she was safe and now he's killing her that's awful. Yeah. What kind of something has to

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like click in your brain to change. I don't know I think it was just a very mad person.

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I don't know what he thought he might have happened. So after he had shot his mother

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fatally he listened for a little bit. That. To determine whether or not anybody else had

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woken up. It's probably the creepiest part of that whole thing. That is. That is so terrifying.

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So he waited to see if any of the children will wake up. What was he going to shoot them

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too if they came in the room? Oh Lord. So he exits the room and he heads into the first

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bedroom from the room that he just exited. I've not seen the movie by the way. This is

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a genuine question. Oh wow. If it wasn't clear by all of my questions. So he exited

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the bedroom and then of course in order he went into the next bedroom. No. And that's

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his brother's room. So they shared a room together. Oh my God. And they were in the

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same bedroom and separate beds, separate twin beds. And he stood in between the two beds

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and he shot Mark, who was 12 at the time, and John Matthew, who was 9. Consent warning.

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Mark seemed to have died instantly. But John Matthew, when he was found, there was evidence

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that he had moved quite a bit after the shots. So he probably didn't die instantly. But his

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spinal cord had been severed. Because his spinal cord was severed that meant that he

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wasn't flailing. He was likely twitching before he passed. Don't like that. Yeah. It's horrible.

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Especially since he's the baby. Yeah. That's awful. I don't, okay, I will never understand

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any of this. But if he waited and listened to see if anybody else had woken up and then

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he realized that they hadn't or they weren't coming in to check anything out, why the fuck

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didn't he just leave? I think it's because he intended to kill them. But he didn't want

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them to get the jump on him. He wanted to do it while they were asleep. But it's just

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so bizarre. It's just so bizarre to me that he was willing to kill his dad to protect his

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family or so it seems. And now, like, oh my god, this is, I mean, I'm glad that I won't

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understand that logic. But like, this is awful. Okay, keep going. So again, once he murdered

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his two brothers, he listened to hear if his sisters woke up. And there were no sounds.

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So he went to the next bedroom, where his sisters shared room. When he opened the door,

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Allison, who was age 13, had heard him come in. Yeah, of course. And she was probably

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terror, she probably did hear the shots and she was awake, but she didn't want to frickin'

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move. So when she sat up in the bed, he put the rifle to her face and shot her. Oh my

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god. And then of course, Dawn hearing this, she woke up and content warning. Dawn received

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the worst of the wounds that said that almost half of her face was gone. Oh my god. She

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received the worst of the wounds, but they both died instantly. Oh my god. That's all

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of the kids in the house. There are no more children. Okay, thank you. There's just him.

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You know what that reminds me of? It reminds me of, you've seen the killing. That the killing

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with the redhead lady. Yes. Okay, that guy's hot. Muriel, Muriel, something. Yeah. Oh,

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you're talking about her partner? Yeah. Oh, his name is Joel Kinnaman or something like

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that. Yeah. Well, that guy, that guy's so cute. And he's in Suicide Squad and I was

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like all giddy when I watched Suicide Squad and he was in it. I was like, oh my god, it's

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a good thing to kill him. This reminds me though, they touch on this in the second season,

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I think they, it's that boy from the military academy that goes, he escapes from the military

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academy and goes and kills his family. He does it kind of like that. He kills his parents

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in their bed and then he shoots his sisters when they want them. Right. Awful. Yeah,

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there's definitely a lot of content that's been written about this murder. I mean, all

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the Amityville Whore murders are that way. And this is just the DeFeo case. There's

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another case of a family that moves in after the DeFeo's. In the same house? Yes. And the

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same thing happened? And something similar had happened. Well, according to the franchise,

397
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,720
the film. Oh, I was like in real life. But in real life, they use their names. Yeah.

398
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,760
And in the movies, they use this real life family's name. And they had moved out because

399
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,600
they said that they were going crazy. Yeah. That they were hearing voices inside the house.

400
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,320
I wouldn't doubt that. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds like something that would happen after a mass

401
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:34,280
murder. It's creepy. So he killed himself after this, right? So the duration of these

402
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:39,760
crimes only lasted 15 minutes. Yeah, I mean, that's how quick it was. It seems like it,

403
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,080
because it seems like as soon as they woke up, he was already. And the only other surviving

404
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,880
member of the family was the dog named Shaggy, who had apparently been barking the whole

405
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:52,640
time. He didn't kill the dog. He did not kill the dog. So Shaggy survived. So Butch then

406
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:59,100
turned his attention to creating an alibi. So he decided to go shower. He decided to

407
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:04,960
trim his beard and his hair, which had, which is bizarre because he'd always been kind of

408
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:11,200
this scruffy dude. Yeah, that's an alibi that's trying to escape. So he, well, he trimmed

409
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:19,840
it. He did his hair. He did his hair. He did his makeup. He wore nice clothes and he dressed

410
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:29,920
very well and he basically like manscaped and all that. And he took the rifle and his

411
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:35,200
bloody clothes and put them in a pillowcase. He took that pillowcase out to his car and

412
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,320
he drove back to Brooklyn, New York. All the while is while he's getting ready and stuff.

413
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:44,640
His family's just there. Done. Yeah. Drives to Brooklyn, New York and a suburb that he

414
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,960
was familiar with and threw the evidence into a drainage ditch. All right. Then he drove

415
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:58,440
all the way back to Long Island in Amnibil and went to work on time for the first time.

416
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:06,000
That's what's going to give him away. I know. He's at work for once. On time. So he's like,

417
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,480
what did you do? Something's wrong. So the crimes happened in about three, they guessed.

418
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:15,400
And then so three, three, three, 15, three, 20, wherever in there. And then he decided

419
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:20,800
to clean up. So when he left the house, it was probably about 4am, drove to Brooklyn

420
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,680
and then drove back for in time for work at six, which I don't think would take. I don't

421
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,760
know. I mean, I don't know how Stymax, how far is Brooklyn to Amnibil, Long Island? Anybody

422
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,400
who's been email us, let us know. We're from the south. Yeah. So however long that would

423
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:41,120
take. And then he went to work at six. Okay. So he's obviously not accounting for the cameras

424
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:46,720
that are catching his car, like the red light cameras. This is 1974. Oh, you're right. Yeah,

425
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:55,000
this is 1974. It was all eyewitness. You know what that sounded like when that girl was,

426
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,440
she's like did like the piece of bread filter or whatever. And she's like, put me in the

427
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,560
toaster. And then her friend was like, but then you'll get eaten. She goes, you're right.

428
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:13,320
And her eyes look to the side. Maybe she was a big potato. I don't know. She was something.

429
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:20,520
So again, but which went into work at 6am. And he kind of just like pups around, did

430
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:28,960
some kind of work and like talk to a lot of employees. And he basically was quote unquote

431
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,480
waiting for his dad to come into work to kind of give him direction. Ew. And what to do.

432
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:40,280
Ew. So he talked to his co workers. He tried calling the house several times in front of

433
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:46,320
these people. He's like, I wonder where my dad is. Where's my dad? I have no idea. Where's

434
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,800
my, has anybody seen my dad? Fuck. Very unusual that no one would be picking up the telephone.

435
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:58,480
What a fucking narcissist. Right. So around noon, he I guess decided that maybe that alibi

436
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:03,760
was only going to go so far. So he called his girlfriend who would I didn't do any research

437
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:12,400
on and I feel who are you? Her name was Sherry and I feel bad for not googling Sherry. She

438
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,800
probably doesn't want to be associated with the household. If somebody else does any research

439
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:22,720
on Sherry, reach out. Sherry, if you're listening for Sherry. Sorry. Oh man. Yeah, I'm sorry,

440
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:26,240
Sherry. I didn't do any research on you. I well, when I was doing my research, it was

441
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:30,640
just kind of all of the sudden. Now, I don't know if it was a girlfriend or just a girl

442
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:36,560
that he had been seeing. Maybe. Yeah. It didn't really specify, but I mean, it said girlfriend.

443
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:42,080
But so he called Sherry around noon and was like, Hey, babe, I'm going to take the rest

444
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:47,800
of the day off because I don't have anything else to do here. My dad never showed up. And

445
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,920
is it cool if I come over and she was like, Yeah, sure. That's fine. And so she she lived

446
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,080
a little bit of a ways away. So he's like, All right, I'm going to take my time coming

447
00:37:55,080 --> 00:38:00,760
over there. So he got off work and then on the drive to Sherry's, he saw a friend that

448
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,440
was like on the street just walking by and he rolled down his window and he chatted with

449
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,960
his friend for a while. Oh, establishing that out. I was suddenly here at this time. Suddenly

450
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:16,280
like, Hey, maybe you have time. He asked his buddy. Oh, my name, my name's Butch DeFeo.

451
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:22,760
What up? Yeah. Nice to meet you. You got the time. Yeah. So I'm a little lost. Could you

452
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:28,760
show me where I'm at? Yeah, I've been driving around for hours. By the way, I've been calling

453
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:35,400
my parents house cake at a hold of them got to work on time this morning. So Butch arrived

454
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:41,160
at Sherry's house around 130. He casually mentioned that he had phoned the house and

455
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,800
that he couldn't get ahold of anybody convenient and that his dad didn't show up to work. Also

456
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:51,000
convenient. He peppered in all of their cars are still in the driveway. This is a quote.

457
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:56,280
All of their cars are still in the driveway and I've called twice. You didn't go inside

458
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:03,160
maybe? Okay, well, here's the thing is that if you left at whenever you claim to have left

459
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:08,120
for work, of course, their cars are still in the driveway because you're waiting for

460
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:13,680
your dad to get to work. Otherwise, if you notice one of his cars were missing, then

461
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,040
maybe he was at work. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, but it almost sounds like

462
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,960
he drove by his house on the way to her house and said, Look, the cars are in the driveway

463
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,840
but why would you if you're concerned about your family, why would you go inside? Like

464
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:33,760
it's yeah. And the fact that he said he called twice when people multiple people at his job

465
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,600
had said that he called more than that. He's they said multiple times. Well, you know what?

466
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:45,760
Not a couple of times. The thing is is that when you have a long elaborate very specific

467
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,160
story, it seems like a lie. So maybe he's saying it kind of differently in order to

468
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,320
make it seem like he's not lying. Oh, I called like two or three times. Like I don't remember

469
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,960
because that's like, you know, when someone's asked that, that's a normal response. You

470
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,840
might not remember, especially in a moment of crisis, how many times you called. So maybe

471
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:07,520
he's I mean, I don't want to think that he's that cunning, but maybe he is maybe he is.

472
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,880
So to further prove this point, he called his own house several times in front of Sherry

473
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,120
using her phone. He's like, Look, I'm calling. Look, I'm calling. Nobody's answering. Hello,

474
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:22,640
I'll write. Yeah. Hello, no one's there. Okay. Oh, no, nobody's there.

475
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:29,840
Yes. All right. They're probably still sleeping. So seemingly completely unbothered by this,

476
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,680
but just like, why don't we go shopping for the rest of the day? And Sherry's like, Okay,

477
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,320
so they go shopping. If I was her, I'd be like, babe, no, like, let's figure out where

478
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:43,080
your family is. But he's trying to make it so casual that it's like a mention soups

479
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:50,760
cash soups cash like you can't alert anyone. Soaps cash. You said that soups cash. But

480
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:58,200
again, he's just trying to pepper in the fact that this is happening kind of like in the

481
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,800
background because he doesn't want to be too abrasive about it. Right? Maybe he's like,

482
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,800
Yeah, it's kind of weird, but it's kind of weird. But maybe they're out for the day.

483
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,080
But although their cars were there, maybe they took a bus. I don't know. Maybe they

484
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:17,440
got an Uber in 1975. Maybe they took the Partridge van. There's so many of them. So the

485
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,240
Calister van. So they went shopping for a while and during this process, but she's

486
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:25,880
like, Hey, you know, I haven't seen for a while. My good friend Bobby, you want to go

487
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,640
to Bobby's place and Sherry's like, Okay, he's like, let's take all this bleach and

488
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:38,880
cleaning supplies we just bought in plastic bags. So they're like, Okay, yeah, let's go

489
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,120
to Bobby's place. So they went to Bobby's place and they chatted with Bobby for a while

490
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,000
and Bobby's just like a good friend of his. So now he has multiple people that can attest

491
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,320
for his whereabouts. Yeah, absolutely. At least from 6am to whatever time it is now.

492
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:56,720
Right from, yeah, from 6am to, what's probably like 34 at this point. Yeah, it has to be

493
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:03,040
like, Yeah, probably 34. You're probably right. So he's over at Bobby's. And again,

494
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:08,640
he casually mentioned mentions to Bobby like, I haven't been able to get old of my parents.

495
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,560
He said, quote, something's going on over there. All of their cars are in the driveway

496
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:18,600
and I can't get into the house. I've called twice. If I was their friend again, the girlfriend

497
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:23,680
or the friend, I'd be like, let's go over there. Why did you not want to walk inside

498
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,640
your own house? What to be an intrusive? The thing is, is like, he's now said for the

499
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:33,720
second time that he's called twice when he probably called them twice in front of Sherry

500
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:39,800
herself. So does this guy not know how to count? Yeah, does he know the meaning of

501
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:46,760
the word twice? These numbers aren't adding up. That's so stupid. I've called twice. I've

502
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,400
called twice. And honestly, if you're again worried about somebody, you think you'd call

503
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,480
more than twice? I mean, did you call it third time? Like, yeah, come on, like, I only called

504
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:00,240
twice. I don't want to disturb anyone. It's also the 70s. Nobody has cell phones. So if

505
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:03,880
you called twice, maybe they were out in the backyard doing yard work or something and

506
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,760
they didn't hear it. Yeah. And you probably didn't leave a voicemail or just missed the

507
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,840
phone. It's not like people had color ID back then. Exactly. You wouldn't know. That's

508
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:16,800
literally what an idiot. I don't know. They might have had a machine. So abruptly changing

509
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,520
the subject book, but basically was like, Oh, pay no mind to me and my parents issues.

510
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,120
What's going on with you, Bobby? What are you doing tonight? And he's like, well, I plan

511
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,400
on going to a bar called Henry's around six if you guys want to come. So but just like,

512
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,920
yeah, we'll probably do that. We'll probably run around and see some other friends before

513
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,520
that. But yeah, we'll meet you there. So that's exactly what him and Sherry did. They bounced

514
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:41,400
around from friend to friend's house. They were doing heroin. They were doing whatever,

515
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:46,520
drinking, smoking, all that good stuff. He's trying to forget. I think so. Or again, like

516
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:51,680
you said, create a big enough alibi. You're like, Oh, he was at meal day. I don't know,

517
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,040
especially he was with me pretty much as he got off work. And then when before that he

518
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,600
was at work since six. Yeah. So after all that around six o'clock, which finally arrived

519
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,840
at Henry's and when Bobby showed up, he began talking about the concern for his family again.

520
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:09,760
Bobby began talking about it or what's his face did? But when when Bobby finally showed

521
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,520
up, which started talking about his family again, and he started saying things like,

522
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,920
well, I guess in order to get into the house, I'm going to have to break a window, things

523
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,800
like that. He doesn't have a key to his front door or a garage door opener. I don't know.

524
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,320
I don't know about a garage door opener and 70 and 74. I don't know. Okay, I'm going to

525
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:34,640
stop saying things like modern. Why didn't he just turn the curig on? I don't understand.

526
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:43,120
You could have just rang the ring. Sponsor us. Sponsor us. So Bobby was basically like,

527
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,000
dude, do what you got to do. Like if you need to get in the house and you really are that

528
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,200
you're concerned with your family, maybe you should go break a window. Yeah. So he's like,

529
00:44:52,200 --> 00:45:00,440
Bob, you know what? You're right. Walks out. EW comes back moments later and says, Bob,

530
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,440
you got to help me. Someone has shot my mother and father. Hold on. What do you mean by moments

531
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:13,320
later? I don't. It just said moments later when I did the research. Walked out. Nate

532
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,720
did a U turn. He rolled out the front door and then stopped in his tracks and completely

533
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:23,440
spun around and went right back and Bob, you got to help me. Somebody shot my mother and

534
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:31,160
father. Sorry. It's not funny. So at this point, a few of the patrons are concerned

535
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,440
like regulars at the bar. Clearly this is I guess it's a regular bar to them, especially

536
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:44,400
to Bobby. So butch, Bobby, Sherry and a few other people all piled into butch's car and

537
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:51,000
they drive to the house. So it is at this point, it's basically been about 15 hours

538
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:56,880
since the murders have occurred. So upon arrival, Bobby enters the house and he looks around

539
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,400
and he goes upstairs and he confirms that there are two people shot in his parents'

540
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:09,120
home. He comes back down and butch hasn't stepped inside the house and is just crying

541
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:18,360
outside. Actual serious? Well, it appeared that he was sobbing. So he was apparently

542
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:25,400
upset or distraught. He appeared. So again, yeah, apparently grief-stricken. And so he's

543
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:32,640
just in the yard with all of these regulars. And one of the regulars, his name is Joey,

544
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:37,240
because it's Yeswit. Joey Yeswit was the one that entered the house, found the phone in

545
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:40,680
the kitchen and dialed 911. And he's the one that made the 911 call.

546
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,440
You'd think that this is just me, I guess. And I guess I don't know what I would do

547
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:50,040
in this situation. But if I could think that I would be in this situation and it was not

548
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,600
me that obviously committed the murders, I would immediately go check to see if my siblings

549
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,080
are okay. I wouldn't just run out of the house hysterically sobbing after finding my parents.

550
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,400
No, he never walked in. Well, how does he know that they were shot then?

551
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,880
I don't know. That's what he said. He said that his parents had been shot. But when they

552
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,600
arrived as a group, Bobby's the one that went upstairs. Oh, you're saying-

553
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,120
Originally, when he went in and found them shot and then he came before, he went to

554
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,120
go get Bobby. Well, it was only moments. He didn't have time.

555
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,640
Because she didn't fucking go over there. He didn't look. And how far was this bar from

556
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:28,320
the house? Well, enough to where they piled in Butch's car and drove. So it's not like,

557
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:33,840
I mean, I guess if it's minutes away by driving maybe. But it kind of made it seem like he

558
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:40,120
walked there. I don't know. So either way, there was a group of men, regulars, that were

559
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,440
outside of the house consoling Butch while this was happening.

560
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:49,320
Imagine knowing that later that you like, consoled him after that. I remember.

561
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,600
It's him. That makes me feel yucky. So again, Joey was the one that called

562
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,880
911. Bobby was the one that originally found the parents. So within 10 minutes, officers

563
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:04,320
were on the scene. And just again, through that group of men, they found Butch and they

564
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,920
took him inside and sat him on the kitchen table. Sat him on the kitchen table.

565
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:13,760
And at the kitchen table. You lifted him up like a toddler. You stand on that table now,

566
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:19,040
son. So officer Kenneth Gugusky was one of the first men on the scene and to actually

567
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:24,360
ask Butch any questions. And the first thing that he said to officer Gugusky was, my mother

568
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,520
and father are dead because he went upstairs and he found the DeFeo's murdered. When he

569
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:33,220
went to the next room, he found Mark and John Matthew as well. So he came back downstairs

570
00:48:33,220 --> 00:48:41,760
and he saw Butch unconsolable, just sobbing at the table. And the officer notified Butch

571
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,520
that unfortunately his parents were dead and so were his brothers.

572
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:50,560
Do you didn't check on the sisters? Butch alerted the officer that in fact, he also

573
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,040
had two sisters. Oh my God. He was like, well, I also have two sisters.

574
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:58,960
Is that how he said it? That's what I think that he said.

575
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,120
Well, I have two sisters. Direct quote.

576
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:09,920
And quote. So it was at this time that officer Edwin Tindall had joined and joined them all

577
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,520
inside the house and together Gugusky and Tindall went upstairs and they also located

578
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:18,520
the sisters. Content warning, the police said when they entered the room, they couldn't

579
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,920
tell exactly what had happened to them because their injuries were so severe.

580
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:23,920
Oh my God.

581
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,240
They didn't know what kind of a weapon. They didn't know if they were a legend or not.

582
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:33,920
So it was very, very obvious that the parents and the brothers had been shot because they

583
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,880
had been their bodies had been pierced. So it was very obvious that that's what that

584
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,520
was, but the sisters got it in the worst location.

585
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,360
That's really interesting. Why? Okay, his mom was asleep. That makes sense. Both of his

586
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:52,120
sisters woke up and then he shot them in the faces. That's probably because he didn't

587
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,600
want to have to look at their faces afterwards.

588
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:55,600
That or...

589
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,160
Because they saw him and they knew it was him. The boys, maybe a little bit different story

590
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,720
one of them was asleep, the other one was kind of half asleep, but the two sisters

591
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:05,440
saw him. That's interesting, like psyche-wise.

592
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,120
I don't know. Maybe he did that on purpose because he didn't want them to live through

593
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,520
it or... I don't know. It might be a beauty thing. There's a reason that they say that

594
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:19,480
women never shoot themselves. And I mean, maybe that's part of it or maybe it was just

595
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:26,320
because they sat up and this, the top portion of them was what it was exposed.

596
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,400
When the parents are laying down, I mean, I guess he could have stood over them and

597
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,480
shot them in the head, but I guess to him it made sense.

598
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,480
That's true.

599
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,800
I don't know. Or maybe it's more morbid than that. Maybe he had already done it four times

600
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,240
and he wanted to do something different. I mean, that's a creepier thought.

601
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:46,120
Out of the realm of possibilities, though.

602
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,480
Yeah. So this is the detective. It's not just an officer. So he's the first detective to

603
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,160
ask butch any questions. And his name was Gasper Radazzo.

604
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,720
Gasper's a cool name.

605
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,880
I know. Gasper. Not Casper.

606
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,400
Gasper. Gasper.

607
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:08,080
He was the first to question butch as a detective. And he asked him what he thought, who he

608
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:14,720
thought might have done this, to which he replied, a man by the name of Louis Fellini.

609
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:19,240
And it's kind of a weird thing out of there because you'd never hear about a Louis Fellini

610
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:20,240
until now.

611
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:23,880
Yeah, and also it's like, who did this? Oh, it was that guy.

612
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:30,040
So apparently this guy had bad blood with the family and he was a well-known gangster,

613
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:35,280
like a mobster, in town. And that he had claimed that two years prior, Fellini had had an argument

614
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,080
with him and his father. Fellini was allowed to stay at the house for like a few weeks

615
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:44,840
or something like that. And with that, Fellini had done some, I guess, work in the basement.

616
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:54,520
Like he was digging this, what was supposed to be like a hidey hole for family heirlooms

617
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:59,800
and money and stuff like that. So he had said that Fellini was probably the perpetrator

618
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,240
because he had bad blood with the family and he wanted to rob them, which was kind of ridiculous

619
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:08,560
because nothing was missing. So at this point, you know, the attention of the neighbors would

620
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:13,120
come around at 7 p.m. People are home by that point from work and stuff. And so there's

621
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,400
a crowd that's starting to gather outside. So due to this and the impending danger that

622
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,480
Butch must have been in because Fellini is a mobster and clearly he wants to kill the

623
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,840
whole family. Yeah, he just happened to be at work when this happened. The police officers

624
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:31,800
convinced him to go downtown and or to the police station. And of course, remember, like

625
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:37,000
if a hitman's looking for him, then Butch is, you know, that he's in danger and so they

626
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,120
convinced him of this. So they want to talk to him about the details and Butch maintained

627
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:46,120
that in his interview that the night that after a night of not being able to sleep,

628
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,720
he went into work early. That's what he maintained. And he of course went through the entire alibi.

629
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:55,600
Like I was with Sherry, we went shopping, I went to Bobby's and all this stuff. And

630
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,120
of course, they want him to come down to the station because he's in danger. He can't be

631
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:03,360
like, No, I think I'll be okay. Yeah, I'll be fine against a mobster that murdered my

632
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:09,080
whole family. So yeah, he was saying certain things like when the when the police pressed

633
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:15,960
him, he was like, Well, I do remember waking up at 2am. And I do remember that Mark had

634
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,760
his wheelchair in front of the bathroom, which Mark just sidebar, I was like wheelchair that

635
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,320
kind of came out. So I didn't wear research on that. But apparently, Mark had had had

636
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:29,320
sustained a football injury from school. So he was which is honestly more horrible because

637
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:34,840
something like this kid could have escaped a broken leg. Like, it was really sad. So

638
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,760
Mark's wheelchair was in the hallway next to the bathroom doors. And he's like, Oh,

639
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,520
my brother must be using the bathroom. So he's like, I know they were at least alive

640
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:47,160
by 2am because Mark was fine, clearly. He decided he couldn't sleep and had to work

641
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,920
into work early. Then he described the rest of the day, like I said, so police continued

642
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,040
a press butch and he stated over and over that Fellini must have been the one that was

643
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,840
a perpetrator. Eventually, police would discover that the wounds from the family were that of

644
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:05,360
a 35 Marlin. Yeah. And during their search of the house, remember, he ditched the gun.

645
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:13,440
But there was ammunition in his room. Yeah. 35 Marlin. Yeah. Freakin idiot. I know. Dummy.

646
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,600
And so yeah, of course, they found the ammo matching the gun that was used and all of

647
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,960
which his previous behaviors came to light like his drug use, the stage robbery and the

648
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,200
deteriorating relationship with his father and his family. And of course, that was all

649
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:33,440
taken into account. So on the morning of the 15th, the very next day, 8.45am, he was arrested.

650
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:39,880
Dummy. What a fucking dumbass. I'm sorry. Thank God, I say this every time, thank God

651
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:46,360
for dumb killers. Yeah. For sure. That is so funny. It's not funny at all what happened.

652
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:53,880
So yeah, the murders happened. Yeah, the murders happened at what, 4am, 3am on the morning

653
00:54:53,880 --> 00:55:00,800
of the 14th. So this was just 27 hours later. Yeah. Yeah. Dummy. So of course, the police

654
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,400
confronted him about the evidence that they had found regarding the ammo. And he continuously

655
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:10,200
lied telling the police eventually that Fellini had held him at gunpoint and made him do the

656
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:15,200
crimes. Hold on. That's not what you were saying last night, bucko. He doesn't care

657
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,920
about this Fellini guy. He wants him to go down. He's like, hey, did you know that Fellini

658
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:26,120
died three years ago? Yeah. The story's bullshit. Yeah. So yeah, he said that this guy held

659
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:30,760
him at gunpoint and made him commit the crimes with his own gun. That is literally the dumbest

660
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,080
thing I've ever heard. If this guy's holding him at gunpoint, why didn't he use his own

661
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,080
gun? Why'd he use it? Yeah. He holds butch at gunpoint and then he's like, you can use

662
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:46,400
my gun. Yeah. Yeah, right. God. This is just one of the many lies that he tells. Yeah.

663
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,080
And that just shows how narcissistic he is, but he thinks that they're just going to

664
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:56,360
believe that fucking trash. Yeah. After further pressure, but eventually admitted in the interrogation

665
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:01,520
that in fact he did kill his family. He said, quote, it all started so fast. And once I

666
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:06,720
started, I couldn't stop. It just all went so fast. I don't give a shit at all about

667
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:11,880
that. So the trial began almost a year later in October of 75 and prosecutors, of course,

668
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,920
did not want to lean on the insanity plea. They were not going to do that. So most of

669
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,920
his actions leading up to the crime, they found to be completely methodical, like him

670
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,440
trying to go to work, covering it up, all of this stuff and even stuff before that,

671
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,200
like planning the robbery. Yeah, it was all meticulously planned. And it's not like he

672
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:32,560
does something just out of reaction. He plans these things. And not to mention, and no one

673
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,520
knows this besides him because the only other people that were witness to it are not alive

674
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:41,040
anymore. But he attempted to kill his dad a few weeks before. Well, yeah. And it's also

675
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,600
noted that I mean, that all through all of this, they basically were like, he's a pathological

676
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:52,080
pathological liar and he loves to evade responsibility. Oh, yeah. That's just like one of his favorite

677
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:56,680
things to do is just do whatever he wants and then have absolutely no punishment. Yeah,

678
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,800
I mean, that's and unfortunately, that's what he was taught growing up. And that's what

679
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:05,440
God rest his parents' souls, but that's what they enabled him to do. Yeah. So at first,

680
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,680
throughout the duration of the trial, because he was on the stand multiple times, apparently,

681
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:17,920
DeFeo claimed that he had that his actions were part of self-defense. Everyone's sleeping.

682
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:24,240
And I'm sorry. Against a nine year old? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's self-defense. All right.

683
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:30,800
He claimed that he claimed that in his family, it was either kill or be killed. And he claimed

684
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:36,840
that him and his the oldest oldest sister, Dawn, who was 18 at the time, that they both

685
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:41,960
planned to kill their parents and that when he went into the room to kill his parents,

686
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:47,880
he did that. But that dawn had killed the other children and that when he came into the room

687
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:53,080
she said that she was going to kill him too. And so he killed her. What a piece of literal trash

688
00:57:53,080 --> 00:58:00,160
on this planet. You not only brutally murdered your little sister and all of the rest of your

689
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,160
family, but now you're going to try to blame her for these other murders. I'm a victim. Literally,

690
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:10,920
go to hell. Yeah, literally. It's awful. So of course, like the jury is shooketh. They're like,

691
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:16,640
man, this guy is this guy's a lunatic. Like, how do you how do you lie so many times? And you think

692
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:21,800
that you're not gonna you think that that makes sense. He's narcissistic as fuck. Yeah, he thinks

693
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:26,280
that any any straw that he can grasp that. Oh, and also not to mention so your little sister

694
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,640
killed all the other children and then she just got back in bed and got under the covers and

695
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:35,080
then set up right and then said that she was gonna kill you get what the fuck. Yeah, no, where

696
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:42,120
was her gun? She was gonna kill him or that either that or I mean, maybe he was trying to say that

697
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:48,200
it was like a revenge, like killing like he killed her out of revenge. That guy, I don't like this

698
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:54,520
guy at all. Yeah, he is not my favorite. So he said quote, this is on the stand. As far as I'm

699
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,960
concerned, if I didn't kill my family, they were going to kill me. And as far as I'm concerned,

700
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:03,440
what I did was self defense. And there was nothing wrong with it. When I got my gun in my hand,

701
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:13,400
there was no doubt in my man, my mind who I am. I am God. I had to make that so quiet because

702
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:19,080
I wanted to yelp into the microphone. Are you kidding me right now? Isn't that crazy? Okay,

703
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:24,640
isn't that bizarre? Yeah. And sorry, no one's gonna believe your stupid ass when you say self

704
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:30,920
defense when these people were literally asleep. Yeah. So during the trial, a doctor Harold Zolan

705
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:36,200
attributed to Fayo's behavior to be anti social personality disorder. So this is a disorder

706
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:41,400
that manifests a person's like fully aware of their actions, they know the difference between right

707
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:49,000
and wrong. And they're motivated motivated by a self centered attitude. So really, it's, it's kind of

708
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:54,480
weird to say like, they're fully aware of what they're doing. But they kind of just don't care.

709
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,920
Yep. And it's personality disorders for you. They don't care who they steamroll and they don't

710
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:03,920
care who they hurt. And like, that's what's so interesting about that disorder. And that's what's

711
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:09,160
so scary about it too. Yeah, of course, because they literally can just like, leave destruction in

712
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:13,760
their wake. Yeah. And it doesn't affect them emotionally. Yeah. Because personality disorders

713
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:20,760
are so vague. Yeah. On Friday, November 21st, 1975, Ronald DeFeo Jr. was found guilty of six

714
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:27,160
counts of second degree murder. And I don't know why second degree. It didn't really specify what

715
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:35,240
those, what that meant. It might have been a plea deal that he took to avoid the death penalty. Yeah.

716
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:41,560
So he was sentenced two weeks later, he was sentenced to 25 years to life for all six counts.

717
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:49,400
That is nothing. Yeah. All of his appeals were denied the entirety of him living in the, yeah.

718
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:55,160
And in prison. What's interesting about this case, and I didn't even know when I started

719
01:00:55,160 --> 01:01:03,320
researching this case that DeFeo died March 12, 2021. He just died this year at age 69. And even

720
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:09,240
more intriguing about that, this was in March, the cause of death hasn't been revealed, like it

721
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:15,720
hasn't been released. Huh. And I don't know why. That's really interesting. Since it's March, like,

722
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:21,480
I mean, that's, I mean, at this point, that's like, eight months ago. Sometimes if they suspect

723
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:28,200
foul play, they won't reveal it, but he's in prison. So foul play was very possible with

724
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:33,560
other prisoners. But then again, like why? Because usually when they don't reveal that,

725
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:40,040
because it has something to do with foul play, that's to keep people from either trying to harm

726
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:45,400
a person that's a person of interest or to keep them from, or so that they can still identify

727
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,920
the person that may have had something to do with it, because then they don't, they know details

728
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:53,960
of the crime that the media doesn't know. Well, it does say that he died at the Albany Medical Center,

729
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:58,440
and I don't know if that's like a psychiatric medical center, or maybe that's like an actual

730
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:03,400
hospital. I'm not really sure. I have to Google that. I hope he got like really

731
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:10,600
desly, sickly ill and like all of his toenails fell off. Oh, God, don't see that. The tip of his penis

732
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:21,640
is leaking. Oh, the toenail thing. Did you see the toes? So yeah, that is the story of Ronald

733
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:27,560
DeFeo Jr. I was like, I've never heard that before. Yeah, and that's where the Amityville franchise

734
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,720
came from. Wow. Isn't that incredible? That is really wild. Thanks for sharing that. Seriously,

735
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:36,040
that was a really interesting one. It's very tragic. I've never heard of that one before.

736
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,960
It's pretty intense. And I should probably watch that movie because it's very... There's a lot of

737
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:45,960
them. But yeah. So just real quick, anti-social personality disorder is a mental disorder in

738
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:51,000
which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the right and wrong

739
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:56,360
feelings of others. People with anti-social personality disorder tend to antagonize,

740
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:01,480
manipulate, or treat others harshly with callus and difference. They show no guilt or remorse for

741
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,560
their behaviors. And that's like one of the scariest diseases, like I said earlier, because

742
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:12,440
it's in the DSM. It's technically a mental disease. But is it really a chemical imbalance

743
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:18,600
that's making these people just complete douche canoes? Or is it like they can't help it? They

744
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,360
can't help that they don't care? You know what I mean? Or are they using it like, oh, well,

745
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:27,000
I have anti-social personality disorder. I think it's that nature versus nurture thing again.

746
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:34,440
I think that this is a nurtured behavior that he learned to create and how to deal with what he

747
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:39,320
was going through. I don't think it's like, like you said, a chemical imbalance. I think it's definitely,

748
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:44,120
it's not nature, it's nurture. Whether or not he was predisposed to getting this disease when he

749
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:48,520
was born genetic-wise is beside the fact there's plenty of people that are diagnosed with that

750
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:53,720
disorder that do not commit crimes. They don't kill people, of course. They live very normal lives

751
01:03:53,720 --> 01:04:02,360
and they take medication to control it and do not have those impulses. So I mean, I agree with you.

752
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,200
I think it has a lot to do with nurture in this case. Unfortunately, that led to something very

753
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:12,280
horrific. Yeah, for sure. Well, thanks for sharing. I'm glad that you got to do your own little case,

754
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,400
not little, but your own case and I'm looking forward to the next one. It was, I'm like I said,

755
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,640
the next one. Kind of Halloween-y is what I kind of want to go for. I was like, oh, so close to

756
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:24,440
Halloween. Just in time for speak-speak season. Yeah. Well, I'm actually going to Colorado for

757
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:29,640
Halloween, so I'm really excited. But we'll be back, I'll be back in time to record. So,

758
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:33,960
miss any episodes. So, and we'll schedule some stuff for you. Like a mental breakdown should be

759
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:39,080
out on Sunday. Yes, this should be posted. I think you'll be hearing this on Thursday,

760
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:43,240
and then the mental breakdown will be posted on Sunday. Yeah. So that's going to be a good one.

761
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,800
So thank you all for listening. Thanks guys. In the meantime, while you're waiting for that

762
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:52,280
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763
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764
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,320
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765
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766
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:11,160
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767
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:15,400
Exactly. We need to support ourselves, and if you feel like you like what we're doing,

768
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769
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:27,160
Now, Dana's calling me, so we got to go. All right. Love you.