Hello. Hello. I'm Kenna and I'm Koelle. Welcome back to diagnosing a killer coffee
addition because both of our breaths smell like coffee. I know straight up I'm
like this is smell bad just coffee. I might be a little jittery here in a
little bit but I'm not talking today as much. I dissected a rat today.
What? In my biology class and it was very weird. It's weird because it's
hard to put myself in the mindset of like oh my god this is an actual critter.
I'm just kind of like thinking scientifically and so I'm like oh my god this is so cool.
This is the lung. I have little small intestine. Tiny baby organs. Yeah the liver was actually
much larger than I thought. It was probably... Do you think you had a sick rat?
No. I think it's just like that. It's just much larger than I thought. It was
about the size of like a dollar coin. Really? Pretty big for a rat. How big was
the rat? It was probably... Like a foot? No it was like big-ass rat. Eight inches?
Nine inches? It was a fat-ass rat. No but it was an interesting... I opted for that
animal because the other two options were a crayfish and a grasshopper and I
fucking hate grasshoppers. It's a crayfish. Like a crawfish. Like a big old crawfish.
Like a crawdad. A crawdad. Yes. And what was the other one? A grasshopper.
Oh that would make me sad. It was like this big. That would make me sad. You can't see
this big in the microphone. It was like five inches long. Yeah. Anyways it's for science.
Oh man okay so a little bit something different today. I think you are going
to take the reins on this one and you have your very own case which I don't
know about so please. I'm so excited. Okay so I was thinking I was like what's my
topic gonna be and of course we wanted to you know keep in the the mental disorder
aspect and things like that so I was kind of doing some research but when I
was talking about the mental breakdown and we talked about Ed Gein a little bit
and how he's inspired like horror films and stuff I was like what if I do a case
that's that's birthed a franchise right a scary movie franchise. Oh my god. So I
won't tell you who it is. It's my guess. It's Jason Borges. So I'm just gonna start
and you'll probably catch on right. Wait you're not gonna say who it is before you
start? Ronald DeFeo Jr. who went by Butch was born to parents Ronald Sr. and
Louise DeFeo. So it's Ronald McDonald. Yeah it's Ronald McDonald. Is it really? No. Yeah
Ronald McDonald has birthed a horror flick franchise. Well I don't know I don't
know what you're into. Coffee hasn't kicked in yet. So on September 26, 1951
in Brooklyn, New York Butch was born to Ronald Sr. and Louise DeFeo. He was the
oldest he had a sister Dawn who was five years younger than him a sister Allison
who was 10 years younger than him a brother Mark who was 11 years younger and
then John Matthew who was 14 years younger. And his parents were busy. So yes at
the time of the crime that we will discuss he was 23 years old. Oh my god. So yeah
we'll get to their ages at the crime. Yeah at the date of the crime. But Ronald
Sr. was a successful car salesman. He worked for a family dealership that was
owned by Louise's father so his father-in-law. They were considered to be
upper middle class and the DeFeo's lived a really comfortable life. So comfortable
in fact that they decided to move away from the big city in Brooklyn and they
decided to move into a house in a little town called Amityville Long Island. I
see where this is going. I was like just give it a second. So they moved into
Amityville in this little township and the house is right on the water. It
include I think it was like five or six bedrooms, a boat house, an attic basement
of course and there are life seemed to be really idyllic on the outside. Very
successful family. It seemed to be a very loving family, a big family, affluent. So
all that going on you realize that Ronald Sr. is a man who was a hothead.
Okay. Right? That goes without saying in most of these cases. Verbally abusive to
the family. He creates a lot of fights within the family just for fun. Okay.
Even Louise is a victim of his relentless verbal assaults. He basically
ruled with an iron fist at all times. Yeah. Butch at this time was a bit of a
chunky kid and that overweight sometimes. His weight would fluctuate a lot. So he
got bullied a lot during school. Unfortunately that does happen. He was
also bullied because he kind of had this anti-social type attitude towards
people. He was kind of a loner, didn't really talk to people. So it kind of
exacerbated that issue. It was easy to pick on him because he didn't really have
many friends. The social construct wasn't really there. Right. So he's
basically getting it from every direction. He's getting it at home. He's getting
it at school. He doesn't have a lot of places to turn to. So as Butch got older
he got stronger and he started to stand up for himself and what's kind of funny
about it is the fact that senior, Ronald Sr. was telling him why are you letting
these kids bully you. You should stand up. You should stand up. You should fight.
You should fight. Exactly. And so with senior Butch basically started standing
up for himself at home against senior. Yeah. Well you told me to. Exactly. And that's
where he learned it from and so it started becoming physical in the house.
He was probably 14, 15, 16 around this time. What a guy that Ronald Sr. though
because like what the hell? Why would you teach your kids that? I know. Teach your kids to like
physically fight someone that's bullying you when you're the ultimate bully. Yeah
exactly. I mean if it was like an actual bully situation and the household was
great yeah I could definitely see like hey someone's fucking with you like
come on you got to fight back or you got to defend yourself but when he's
literally the one. Right. So of course he's learning this at home from senior.
He's taking it to school. He's fighting kids all the time at school. So there was
some accounts where he would get physical at school because he was learning
this at home. At a certain point the DeFeo's especially Ronald which is kind
of ironic recognized that Butch really needed help and specifically he thought
he needed psychiatric help. That is interesting. Right. But why? Because of
all the psychological abuse that you start with the explosives to? I guess
that's what it is is that he realized like fuck maybe I fucked my kid up and
or I'm fucked up and it's kind of like what do they call that like projecting.
Yeah. And so he's probably projecting that onto Butch. So Butch denied that he
had any real medical or mental issues. He said of course that he recognized the
family dynamic was really fucked up but it really and it really attributed his
behaviors and he recognized that but he also didn't think that he deserved
to go through therapy. Deserved? Yeah. Not deserved. Not like he didn't think that
he was worthy of therapy but that he didn't. He thought it was a punishment
basically. Oh I see. So he thinks that he's being punished by going to therapy
not that he's taking therapy away from someone else. He thinks that it's like a negative thing.
Yeah. It's a negative force to go to therapy. He's being forced to go to therapy and he
didn't think that it would benefit him because he knew that his problem stemmed
from his parents being shitty and especially his father being shitty.
Well you can know all those things. I know where all of my mental illness comes
from or I'm not diagnosed with anything but I know enough about it to you know
logically and knowledgeably say yeah this is probably what's going on but I
still need therapy. Right. Of course. And I can benefit from it regardless of if I
know what's causing the symptoms or not. Yeah. He definitely attributed a lot of
his behaviors to his father and his schoolmates. This is what he was saying.
Like I know where this comes from. I don't need a therapist to tell me basically.
Well also it's really hard for young people especially young men to attend therapy and
really you know try to benefit from it and see it as from an adult perspective
because you know men are all about especially again young men they're very
impressionable and they've been told their whole lives you have to be strong
you have to be tough. Right. You can't cry you can't talk about your feelings and
that's all therapy is. Well and that's what he's getting from seniors. Seniors
telling him just like nut up and shut up. Yeah. Deal with it fight like you know
don't be a pussy basically and and that's a horrible way to raise a young
man in my opinion. Correction that's not all therapy is but that is a lot of what
happens. Yeah. Yeah. So this is kind of like it kind of gave me a little bit of
like a chill when I read this. He would go to therapy and sometimes he wouldn't
speak for an entire hour. He would just sit there. I know. Okay. So on the surface
that seems really creepy. Yeah. However it's also been proven that that can be
beneficial in and itself just going and sitting in front of someone that's not
going to judge you that doesn't have any prior knowledge of you. Right. There's not
a bias there. That is therapeutic in and itself but yes. But for him it's a
protest because he doesn't be there. Yeah that's true. So he's like well I'll go
because my dad or my mom thinks I need to be there but I'm not gonna say anything
and I'm not gonna talk. He's just sitting there like tightly. And he's just sitting there.
That's what I imagine like him just sitting on a couch with his arms crossed
just staring at the therapist or now it is just on your phone. Nowadays on your
phone for an hour. Yeah. All right. So at this point which is trying not to allow
therapy to control him or something at this point but the DeFeo's are
recognizing that he's still struggling and they want to do something to help him.
What did they do to help him? I don't know. Buy a $14,000 speed boat. What? For him
or for the family? For him. For him? For him. How old is he? 15, 16 probably. And
they buy him a speed boat. This isn't Wolf of Wall Street guys. He goes buy someone a
fucking boat. So they start appeasing him with gifts. That is the opposite of what
you want to do in this situation. Because again he's aggressive and they
think if he's happy and monetarily is what they mean. If he's satisfied
monetarily that makes him happy and then therefore he won't be a disruption.
All that's doing is rewarding bad behavior and that's telling him that
you can act like this and you'll still get whatever the hell you want. That is
literally recipe for disaster. Right. So there again they're trying to appease him
with money at this point Ronald senior at any point which can just go up to him
and say can I have some money and he'll give him money and I'm talking like a
hundred bucks, 200 bucks. I mean like goals but still. In 1974 like that's
and you're a teenager you're in high school. So what are you spending that on?
Well, drugs perhaps. Well, it's no surprise after this which is behavior only gets
more disturbing and he becomes really entitled. So in high school he's still
which began experimenting with LSD. It's like a deluxe. And by 17 while he's
still in high school he becomes a full-blown heroin addict. Oh kids do the
darnest things. They have access to all this money. Cut awful. A full-blown
heroin addict. So LSD and heroin. At the same time like that's kind of bizarre
to me because LSD isn't exactly like a gateway drug for heroin. It could be for
other things but I feel like LSD is for fun. Heroines for like you don't want to
have fun if you're shooting heroin. Well, but also if he's kind of like a
like a depressive person maybe that's like because it's a sub-pressive drug
right? Yeah, it's like an escape. So yeah, LSD and heroin and throughout all of
this he begins stealing which is so bizarre because he gets money every day
if he wanted it. He doesn't need to steal but he begins
thieving because I don't know because he can. Well also because the substance
abuse that he's enduring or not enduring putting on himself is probably
making him lack those cognitive reasoning abilities to be like oh I
should thou shalt not steal. Right. Or I can just ask my dad no I'd rather just
steal and I guess maybe he didn't want to try to ask his parents for money
because he was strung out or something maybe he didn't want them to see him or
something. Yeah, no, you know, right. So of course like again like he's
thieving, he's stealing, he's high all the time. Of course his behavior is
becoming more erratic and eventually he is kicked out of school at age 18 or at
17. Yeah, he's kicked out of school. This is also because of the just
behavioral issues and the violent outbursts. That sucks because he was so close to
graduating. Yeah. So of course Ronald and Louise, this doesn't stop them from
rewarding their son's behavior so at 18 he's given a job at the dealership, the
car dealership that Ronald Sr. works for and is owned by their grandfather. And you
think he's gonna show up? Well no he doesn't. No I'm saying they think he's
about you. And not only that it's not like they just gave him a job like
entry-level washing cars. He's like a fucking manager and he like is in charge
of people. An 18 year old strung out man-child. Heroinatic. Heroinatic. Didn't finish high school.
Yeah and he's just given this position because at least Sr. can kind of keep an
eye on him. Yeah. It started to sound like therapy might have been the way to go.
And so not only that but Sr. is still giving him an allowance. That's enabling
at its finest. That's absolutely 100% enabling. And maybe at this point this
guy Sr. is having like a epiphany and he's like oh I gotta you know make up for
all this shit that I put him through when he was younger which really sucks
for both of them. Because not only is the kid not getting the help he needs
but the dad probably feels way worse even though he kind of fucking started it.
Yeah so I'm guessing that yeah you're right that Sr. probably has a little bit
of guilt and so he's like well if I give him a job at least he's working for the
money right. But again he's still giving him a weekly allowance and this is
regardless of whether or not he shows up to work. And whenever he shows up to
work. This sounds like a bad story waiting to happen. I mean it's already a
bad story. At this point Butch has all of this money and he pours it into the
three things he loves. The car that his daddy bought him he loves to work on that
car. Okay. Drugs. He loves to work on them drugs. And his third love is guns.
He loves to work on them guns. He loves to work on them guns. That's not that weird.
Well it's weird when it pertains to the story.
Sorry you might get my phone vibrating. It's Trish. Hi Trish. So of course it's not
surprising that his behaviors escalate with the drugs and the money and the
guns and all this other stuff. He's on extreme highs at this point. It sounds
like a rap song. Yeah. This guy live in the life. So on one occasion Butch and a
group of friends they all went hunting. And at some point during the hunting
trip Butch is you know they're all chatting and stuff like that. And Butch
just as a joke kind of raises a rifle to a friend. A friend that he's known since
childhood. That's not funny. Raises the gun to this boy's head. And the boy is
like kind of like dude what are you doing and moving. And Butch is just
following his head with the barrel of the gun. I would have shot myself right
there. With a stoic face. Oh my god he's like no expression. No joke. He's having
like a psychotic break and like and the friend is like dude what the fuck
blah blah blah and he just runs off. And this is in front of a few other boys.
Yeah. And they might be laughing or whatever. No that's never funny. The boy
runs off. So they finish the hunting trip him and his friends and they go back
into town after this trip and they catch up with the boy and with a very
soft-spoken voice. Butch says why did you leave so soon? Oh my god. You just got all the heaps.
That is so... Isn't that terrifying? Creepy. And this boy remained anonymous. He told this
later to the police that they remain anonymous because it scared him. And this
is a boy that he's known as his whole childhood. That is terrifying. I
literally guns 101 you never point your gun at something unless you're planning
to shoot whatever that something is. Even if you know it is unloaded and it's
not even a working gun you never ever point like that's so scary. Isn't that terrifying?
Oh my god that's you. The fact that he like followed his head like it's a
like dipping and diving. It's creepy. Well good thing that that kid ran. Who knows what
would have happened. It's so scary. So again Ronald and Louise they like to
fight. They're like one of their favorite things ever. They're just corky like. They're just corky.
Oh my god I'm so unique. So unique. So Ronald and Louise they fight all the time
in the house and Butch is always subject to this. He's the oldest. He knows what's
going on and he's upstairs in his bedroom one night and he hears them just
going at it. And he gets so upset and he decides that he's gonna do something
about this. He grabs his 12 gauge shotgun. He has multiple weapons in his room
like I said he's like a huge gun aficionado and he's got knives and
stuff. Grads a 12 gauge shotgun and loads one shell into the chamber. Storms
downstairs. So he has a plan with that one shell. There's not two shells there's
two people. What are you going for? Puts one shell in the chamber, storms downstairs
and without hesitation lifts the gun up to his father's face. He immediately says
you leave that woman alone I'm gonna kill you you fat fuck this is it and he
pulls the trigger. Oh my god he didn't even give it. Like oh my god oh my god
go ahead. Ow go ahead. So yeah he immediately pulled the trigger. Did he
kill him instantly? The gun did not go off and for reasons unknown but there was
a definite click. My reaction was so genuine and nothing even happened. I know.
Why didn't you lead with that? Because buried the lead there. That's the way I wanted it though.
I wanted you to be like what? How scary though because the dad is probably fuming
at this point. The gun didn't go off like I said. Mr. DeFeo watches as butch's
face fell in disappointment and then completely stoic again. He lowers the
gun turns around and walks out of the room like nothing happened. And the dad's
just like peace? Well the fight ended there was no other fighting the rest of
the night. I'll say. Yeah. Oh my god that's terrifying. It's not scary. Your son. Your son.
Like 18 year old nonetheless and there's a grown-up he's a grown-ass kid.
I mean he's a grown-ass man and like and they immediately just storms downstairs
and raises a fucking shotgun to your face. I mean at this point he's probably
very concerned for his younger siblings who are at the youngest seven I think at
this point right? So I mean he's like fuck this I'll just be the man of the
house if this guy can't act like a man he's gonna treat my mom like that. I
mean honestly that's terrible but yeah I think I think John Matthew would have
been about six yeah. I kind of I don't want to say I get it but I understand
the want to put a stop to that. I don't think that's the correct way to go about
it but I understand the want to do that. So clearly in the end of the day the
family dynamic is deteriorating. Thank you for telling me that I was confused. And
especially the relationship that Butch had with his father. So a wild story but
not satisfied with the money that he's making from working it. Quote unquote
working at the dealership. Yeah it's like maybe because he's not working. And the
allowance and all the gifts Butch decides to hatch a fake robbery plan. Oh my
god. So he basically berated an employee to say like for the for the
deposits but they were gonna deposit in the bank for the entire company. It was
$1,800 in cash and $20,000 in checks. Oh my god. In 1974. That's a lot. That's a lot of
money. Yeah. And he convinced the person that usually does it to give him the
money to go deposit the money. So he had a friend plan this out with him and
basically gonna rob him at gunpoint. Rob him at gunpoint. Quote unquote. I see.
Okay so he's so yeah he's so Butch is supposed to take the money to the bank.
He's supposed to get robbed along the way. And then him and this accomplice
would split. Butch didn't think that his word alone would mean anything. So he
convinced another employee to go with him who was in on it. Okay. Butch was like
my doubts aren't gonna believe this. He's gonna I'm gonna have to have a
witness. So that's why he took this other employee with him. And again the employee
knew about it. That's like unfortunately awkwardly cunning. Yeah. So they they
leave and I think they I think it was about like 12 12 30s and like that
around lunchtime. They don't come back for two more hours. Okay. And which was an
usually long time. I mean I've deposited money for my old company and it took
like 30 minutes. Yeah. It's yeah well usually a lot of places choose to bank
around the corner because it's convenient. That's true. So two hours it's like
where's your bank like across the city. I mean at lunchtime I could see it taking
maybe close to 45 maybe an hour. Yeah. An hour but not two. But two hours was
exceptionally long for this case. And so when Butch comes back with that employee
he immediately told his father I was robbed. I was at a stoplight. A man came
out of one of the cars held the sickum point and stole the money. You would
think that Ronald Sr. would say Butch is in on this. Right. I don't know. Maybe not.
I don't know. Maybe maybe not. Maybe not. But instead he turns to the employee that
allowed him to go and berated this man in front of everyone. Oh that's not his
fault. He's like why would you let him do that. You know he's irresponsible. Why
would you make him do this. Yeah. You know the employee. But what even if he is
irresponsible. What does that have to do with getting robbed. Well that's exactly
like what. He he blamed this man for basically letting Butch do his job.
Wow. Yeah. That's not that guy's fault at all. And this poor guy is not even in on
it. So he can't even be like it's cool. I'll just get bitched out and then I'll
have some money like well. You know. But the thing is is like I feel like now we've
gotten a little close with Butch. We know how Butch is. And Butch probably laid into
this man and convinced him to give him the money. Yeah. And so which he did. But you
know it's not far fetched that Butch is an intimidating figure. Yeah. And he you know
he basically intimidated this guy into giving him all the money. And then anyways. So the
police come of course. And I guess Butch maybe thought that maybe the police wouldn't be
called since there was a witness or something. But like to him that was a surprise that the
police showed up. People that deal with criminal case. But I have another witness. You don't
need to call the cops. So the cops came in and of course they started talking to everybody
and getting everybody's accounts and Butch was outside and among the cars and stuff
when the police were interviewing him. And he begins to get frustrated when the police
asked him why it took so long for him to come back. And he starts getting more and more
and more upset. The more that the police ask questions to the point where he starts banging
his fists on surrounding cars. And they're very suspicious of Butch at this point. He
just doesn't care about the damage he's got. No. He's like bam. 100 dollars. I can pay
for it. Yeah. I can pay for it. It's like the Hulk. It's weird. Jesus. So of course
like I said they were having a really difficult time getting anything out of him. They weren't.
He was giving very vague descriptions on what this robber looked like. And when he started
getting really irate they were like we'll come back. We'll talk to you another time.
Clearly this was very traumatic for you. Or so it seems. So Butch was giving very vague
details about the description of the robber. But the police need to deal with them. They
said we'll go for now. But next week next Friday we come in and look up at a lineup
of potential suspects. He said OK. And honestly at this point I think it was just kind of
a ploy for the police to get him into a room. So he had agreed initially to go but then
backed out the last minute on Friday. He was supposed to go in the morning. And the last
minute he backed out and decided to go to work instead. That's not allowed. The father
and senior he hears about this and he goes to the dealership to confront Butch as to
why he didn't go. And at this point senior pretty much knows he had something to do with
it with stealing the money. Yeah. I mean isn't that kind of like evading the police. It is.
Yeah. And well in all honesty unless Butch is a prime suspect. That's true. He's not
him. Then he would be obligated. But really he yeah if he's not under suspicion he has
no obligation to go give them any information. Yeah that's true. But of course seniors pissed
because he's like if you didn't have anything to do with this why not just go to the police
station. Yeah. So Ronald was quoted in saying you have a monkey on your back. You need help.
And Butch got so upset that he stood up and started walking out and he said you fat prick.
I'm going to kill you as he walked out to his car and then sped off. OK. Now this is
twice one was attempted murder on his dad and now he's threatening murder again. Why
is his dad still fucking with him. I'd be like heard. Let's get you instituted because
you're clearly not sane. I don't know if it's like this battle of wills. Like clearly they
want their son to shut up and that's why they pay him off. Right. Yeah. I don't know. Is
it is that that senior is so aggressive that he can't admit defeat. And he taught Butch
how to do that. So Butch can't admit defeat. I don't know. There's something there's something
going on there that is not like either one of them. They're two alphas are some shit.
So in the early morning hours of 14th of November that's in the sun. 1974 all the DeFeo family
was asleep except for Butch which stayed up for hours and hours and hours and he was
sitting in his room and he knew what he was going to do. Never a good side. So he grabbed
a 35 Marlin rifle and he snuck down the hallway to his parents room and he was creeping through
the house. He opened up the door. He stood at the end of the bed and he basically watched
them and felt the quiet of the night is the way that he described it. So he's like living
in this peaceful scenario. They're asleep. He's recognizing this is a they have no idea
kind of situation and then he proceeds to do what it's almost like he was enjoying the
quiet before there was no quiet anymore. Yeah. If that makes sense. I mean no it doesn't
but the analogy makes sense. So Butch raised the rifle and shot his father first. So he
was shot once and went into his back through his kidney and then out his chest was the
exit wound and then he was shot again and grazed his spinal cord and then was lodged
in his neck and that was the fatal shot. So I mean if there's any silver lining usually
when you when a bullet grazes your spinal cord it paralyzes you so maybe that was a little
yeah and it really didn't specify if he had moved or anything like that because I do believe
that senior was found laying on his stomach. So so at this point Louise had woken up of
course she before she could even realize it was happening he shot her twice as well. Oh
my gosh and her wound was content warning. Her wound had shattered her and shattered her
rib cage like her sternum. Yeah. It had punctured it had gone through one of her lungs and it
had completely shattered her sternum. Oh my gosh. Why did he shoot her too though? I thought
his dad was the issue because she would have been pissed if she woke up and then he would
have killed him. I guess or he would have been caught. Yeah. I don't have no idea. What
was this a few weeks ago he was defending his mom and willing to kill to make sure that
she was safe and now he's killing her that's awful. Yeah. What kind of something has to
like click in your brain to change. I don't know I think it was just a very mad person.
I don't know what he thought he might have happened. So after he had shot his mother
fatally he listened for a little bit. That. To determine whether or not anybody else had
woken up. It's probably the creepiest part of that whole thing. That is. That is so terrifying.
So he waited to see if any of the children will wake up. What was he going to shoot them
too if they came in the room? Oh Lord. So he exits the room and he heads into the first
bedroom from the room that he just exited. I've not seen the movie by the way. This is
a genuine question. Oh wow. If it wasn't clear by all of my questions. So he exited
the bedroom and then of course in order he went into the next bedroom. No. And that's
his brother's room. So they shared a room together. Oh my God. And they were in the
same bedroom and separate beds, separate twin beds. And he stood in between the two beds
and he shot Mark, who was 12 at the time, and John Matthew, who was 9. Consent warning.
Mark seemed to have died instantly. But John Matthew, when he was found, there was evidence
that he had moved quite a bit after the shots. So he probably didn't die instantly. But his
spinal cord had been severed. Because his spinal cord was severed that meant that he
wasn't flailing. He was likely twitching before he passed. Don't like that. Yeah. It's horrible.
Especially since he's the baby. Yeah. That's awful. I don't, okay, I will never understand
any of this. But if he waited and listened to see if anybody else had woken up and then
he realized that they hadn't or they weren't coming in to check anything out, why the fuck
didn't he just leave? I think it's because he intended to kill them. But he didn't want
them to get the jump on him. He wanted to do it while they were asleep. But it's just
so bizarre. It's just so bizarre to me that he was willing to kill his dad to protect his
family or so it seems. And now, like, oh my god, this is, I mean, I'm glad that I won't
understand that logic. But like, this is awful. Okay, keep going. So again, once he murdered
his two brothers, he listened to hear if his sisters woke up. And there were no sounds.
So he went to the next bedroom, where his sisters shared room. When he opened the door,
Allison, who was age 13, had heard him come in. Yeah, of course. And she was probably
terror, she probably did hear the shots and she was awake, but she didn't want to frickin'
move. So when she sat up in the bed, he put the rifle to her face and shot her. Oh my
god. And then of course, Dawn hearing this, she woke up and content warning. Dawn received
the worst of the wounds that said that almost half of her face was gone. Oh my god. She
received the worst of the wounds, but they both died instantly. Oh my god. That's all
of the kids in the house. There are no more children. Okay, thank you. There's just him.
You know what that reminds me of? It reminds me of, you've seen the killing. That the killing
with the redhead lady. Yes. Okay, that guy's hot. Muriel, Muriel, something. Yeah. Oh,
you're talking about her partner? Yeah. Oh, his name is Joel Kinnaman or something like
that. Yeah. Well, that guy, that guy's so cute. And he's in Suicide Squad and I was
like all giddy when I watched Suicide Squad and he was in it. I was like, oh my god, it's
a good thing to kill him. This reminds me though, they touch on this in the second season,
I think they, it's that boy from the military academy that goes, he escapes from the military
academy and goes and kills his family. He does it kind of like that. He kills his parents
in their bed and then he shoots his sisters when they want them. Right. Awful. Yeah,
there's definitely a lot of content that's been written about this murder. I mean, all
the Amityville Whore murders are that way. And this is just the DeFeo case. There's
another case of a family that moves in after the DeFeo's. In the same house? Yes. And the
same thing happened? And something similar had happened. Well, according to the franchise,
the film. Oh, I was like in real life. But in real life, they use their names. Yeah.
And in the movies, they use this real life family's name. And they had moved out because
they said that they were going crazy. Yeah. That they were hearing voices inside the house.
I wouldn't doubt that. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds like something that would happen after a mass
murder. It's creepy. So he killed himself after this, right? So the duration of these
crimes only lasted 15 minutes. Yeah, I mean, that's how quick it was. It seems like it,
because it seems like as soon as they woke up, he was already. And the only other surviving
member of the family was the dog named Shaggy, who had apparently been barking the whole
time. He didn't kill the dog. He did not kill the dog. So Shaggy survived. So Butch then
turned his attention to creating an alibi. So he decided to go shower. He decided to
trim his beard and his hair, which had, which is bizarre because he'd always been kind of
this scruffy dude. Yeah, that's an alibi that's trying to escape. So he, well, he trimmed
it. He did his hair. He did his hair. He did his makeup. He wore nice clothes and he dressed
very well and he basically like manscaped and all that. And he took the rifle and his
bloody clothes and put them in a pillowcase. He took that pillowcase out to his car and
he drove back to Brooklyn, New York. All the while is while he's getting ready and stuff.
His family's just there. Done. Yeah. Drives to Brooklyn, New York and a suburb that he
was familiar with and threw the evidence into a drainage ditch. All right. Then he drove
all the way back to Long Island in Amnibil and went to work on time for the first time.
That's what's going to give him away. I know. He's at work for once. On time. So he's like,
what did you do? Something's wrong. So the crimes happened in about three, they guessed.
And then so three, three, three, 15, three, 20, wherever in there. And then he decided
to clean up. So when he left the house, it was probably about 4am, drove to Brooklyn
and then drove back for in time for work at six, which I don't think would take. I don't
know. I mean, I don't know how Stymax, how far is Brooklyn to Amnibil, Long Island? Anybody
who's been email us, let us know. We're from the south. Yeah. So however long that would
take. And then he went to work at six. Okay. So he's obviously not accounting for the cameras
that are catching his car, like the red light cameras. This is 1974. Oh, you're right. Yeah,
this is 1974. It was all eyewitness. You know what that sounded like when that girl was,
she's like did like the piece of bread filter or whatever. And she's like, put me in the
toaster. And then her friend was like, but then you'll get eaten. She goes, you're right.
And her eyes look to the side. Maybe she was a big potato. I don't know. She was something.
So again, but which went into work at 6am. And he kind of just like pups around, did
some kind of work and like talk to a lot of employees. And he basically was quote unquote
waiting for his dad to come into work to kind of give him direction. Ew. And what to do.
Ew. So he talked to his co workers. He tried calling the house several times in front of
these people. He's like, I wonder where my dad is. Where's my dad? I have no idea. Where's
my, has anybody seen my dad? Fuck. Very unusual that no one would be picking up the telephone.
What a fucking narcissist. Right. So around noon, he I guess decided that maybe that alibi
was only going to go so far. So he called his girlfriend who would I didn't do any research
on and I feel who are you? Her name was Sherry and I feel bad for not googling Sherry. She
probably doesn't want to be associated with the household. If somebody else does any research
on Sherry, reach out. Sherry, if you're listening for Sherry. Sorry. Oh man. Yeah, I'm sorry,
Sherry. I didn't do any research on you. I well, when I was doing my research, it was
just kind of all of the sudden. Now, I don't know if it was a girlfriend or just a girl
that he had been seeing. Maybe. Yeah. It didn't really specify, but I mean, it said girlfriend.
But so he called Sherry around noon and was like, Hey, babe, I'm going to take the rest
of the day off because I don't have anything else to do here. My dad never showed up. And
is it cool if I come over and she was like, Yeah, sure. That's fine. And so she she lived
a little bit of a ways away. So he's like, All right, I'm going to take my time coming
over there. So he got off work and then on the drive to Sherry's, he saw a friend that
was like on the street just walking by and he rolled down his window and he chatted with
his friend for a while. Oh, establishing that out. I was suddenly here at this time. Suddenly
like, Hey, maybe you have time. He asked his buddy. Oh, my name, my name's Butch DeFeo.
What up? Yeah. Nice to meet you. You got the time. Yeah. So I'm a little lost. Could you
show me where I'm at? Yeah, I've been driving around for hours. By the way, I've been calling
my parents house cake at a hold of them got to work on time this morning. So Butch arrived
at Sherry's house around 130. He casually mentioned that he had phoned the house and
that he couldn't get ahold of anybody convenient and that his dad didn't show up to work. Also
convenient. He peppered in all of their cars are still in the driveway. This is a quote.
All of their cars are still in the driveway and I've called twice. You didn't go inside
maybe? Okay, well, here's the thing is that if you left at whenever you claim to have left
for work, of course, their cars are still in the driveway because you're waiting for
your dad to get to work. Otherwise, if you notice one of his cars were missing, then
maybe he was at work. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, but it almost sounds like
he drove by his house on the way to her house and said, Look, the cars are in the driveway
but why would you if you're concerned about your family, why would you go inside? Like
it's yeah. And the fact that he said he called twice when people multiple people at his job
had said that he called more than that. He's they said multiple times. Well, you know what?
Not a couple of times. The thing is is that when you have a long elaborate very specific
story, it seems like a lie. So maybe he's saying it kind of differently in order to
make it seem like he's not lying. Oh, I called like two or three times. Like I don't remember
because that's like, you know, when someone's asked that, that's a normal response. You
might not remember, especially in a moment of crisis, how many times you called. So maybe
he's I mean, I don't want to think that he's that cunning, but maybe he is maybe he is.
So to further prove this point, he called his own house several times in front of Sherry
using her phone. He's like, Look, I'm calling. Look, I'm calling. Nobody's answering. Hello,
I'll write. Yeah. Hello, no one's there. Okay. Oh, no, nobody's there.
Yes. All right. They're probably still sleeping. So seemingly completely unbothered by this,
but just like, why don't we go shopping for the rest of the day? And Sherry's like, Okay,
so they go shopping. If I was her, I'd be like, babe, no, like, let's figure out where
your family is. But he's trying to make it so casual that it's like a mention soups
cash soups cash like you can't alert anyone. Soaps cash. You said that soups cash. But
again, he's just trying to pepper in the fact that this is happening kind of like in the
background because he doesn't want to be too abrasive about it. Right? Maybe he's like,
Yeah, it's kind of weird, but it's kind of weird. But maybe they're out for the day.
But although their cars were there, maybe they took a bus. I don't know. Maybe they
got an Uber in 1975. Maybe they took the Partridge van. There's so many of them. So the
Calister van. So they went shopping for a while and during this process, but she's
like, Hey, you know, I haven't seen for a while. My good friend Bobby, you want to go
to Bobby's place and Sherry's like, Okay, he's like, let's take all this bleach and
cleaning supplies we just bought in plastic bags. So they're like, Okay, yeah, let's go
to Bobby's place. So they went to Bobby's place and they chatted with Bobby for a while
and Bobby's just like a good friend of his. So now he has multiple people that can attest
for his whereabouts. Yeah, absolutely. At least from 6am to whatever time it is now.
Right from, yeah, from 6am to, what's probably like 34 at this point. Yeah, it has to be
like, Yeah, probably 34. You're probably right. So he's over at Bobby's. And again,
he casually mentioned mentions to Bobby like, I haven't been able to get old of my parents.
He said, quote, something's going on over there. All of their cars are in the driveway
and I can't get into the house. I've called twice. If I was their friend again, the girlfriend
or the friend, I'd be like, let's go over there. Why did you not want to walk inside
your own house? What to be an intrusive? The thing is, is like, he's now said for the
second time that he's called twice when he probably called them twice in front of Sherry
herself. So does this guy not know how to count? Yeah, does he know the meaning of
the word twice? These numbers aren't adding up. That's so stupid. I've called twice. I've
called twice. And honestly, if you're again worried about somebody, you think you'd call
more than twice? I mean, did you call it third time? Like, yeah, come on, like, I only called
twice. I don't want to disturb anyone. It's also the 70s. Nobody has cell phones. So if
you called twice, maybe they were out in the backyard doing yard work or something and
they didn't hear it. Yeah. And you probably didn't leave a voicemail or just missed the
phone. It's not like people had color ID back then. Exactly. You wouldn't know. That's
literally what an idiot. I don't know. They might have had a machine. So abruptly changing
the subject book, but basically was like, Oh, pay no mind to me and my parents issues.
What's going on with you, Bobby? What are you doing tonight? And he's like, well, I plan
on going to a bar called Henry's around six if you guys want to come. So but just like,
yeah, we'll probably do that. We'll probably run around and see some other friends before
that. But yeah, we'll meet you there. So that's exactly what him and Sherry did. They bounced
around from friend to friend's house. They were doing heroin. They were doing whatever,
drinking, smoking, all that good stuff. He's trying to forget. I think so. Or again, like
you said, create a big enough alibi. You're like, Oh, he was at meal day. I don't know,
especially he was with me pretty much as he got off work. And then when before that he
was at work since six. Yeah. So after all that around six o'clock, which finally arrived
at Henry's and when Bobby showed up, he began talking about the concern for his family again.
Bobby began talking about it or what's his face did? But when when Bobby finally showed
up, which started talking about his family again, and he started saying things like,
well, I guess in order to get into the house, I'm going to have to break a window, things
like that. He doesn't have a key to his front door or a garage door opener. I don't know.
I don't know about a garage door opener and 70 and 74. I don't know. Okay, I'm going to
stop saying things like modern. Why didn't he just turn the curig on? I don't understand.
You could have just rang the ring. Sponsor us. Sponsor us. So Bobby was basically like,
dude, do what you got to do. Like if you need to get in the house and you really are that
you're concerned with your family, maybe you should go break a window. Yeah. So he's like,
Bob, you know what? You're right. Walks out. EW comes back moments later and says, Bob,
you got to help me. Someone has shot my mother and father. Hold on. What do you mean by moments
later? I don't. It just said moments later when I did the research. Walked out. Nate
did a U turn. He rolled out the front door and then stopped in his tracks and completely
spun around and went right back and Bob, you got to help me. Somebody shot my mother and
father. Sorry. It's not funny. So at this point, a few of the patrons are concerned
like regulars at the bar. Clearly this is I guess it's a regular bar to them, especially
to Bobby. So butch, Bobby, Sherry and a few other people all piled into butch's car and
they drive to the house. So it is at this point, it's basically been about 15 hours
since the murders have occurred. So upon arrival, Bobby enters the house and he looks around
and he goes upstairs and he confirms that there are two people shot in his parents'
home. He comes back down and butch hasn't stepped inside the house and is just crying
outside. Actual serious? Well, it appeared that he was sobbing. So he was apparently
upset or distraught. He appeared. So again, yeah, apparently grief-stricken. And so he's
just in the yard with all of these regulars. And one of the regulars, his name is Joey,
because it's Yeswit. Joey Yeswit was the one that entered the house, found the phone in
the kitchen and dialed 911. And he's the one that made the 911 call.
You'd think that this is just me, I guess. And I guess I don't know what I would do
in this situation. But if I could think that I would be in this situation and it was not
me that obviously committed the murders, I would immediately go check to see if my siblings
are okay. I wouldn't just run out of the house hysterically sobbing after finding my parents.
No, he never walked in. Well, how does he know that they were shot then?
I don't know. That's what he said. He said that his parents had been shot. But when they
arrived as a group, Bobby's the one that went upstairs. Oh, you're saying-
Originally, when he went in and found them shot and then he came before, he went to
go get Bobby. Well, it was only moments. He didn't have time.
Because she didn't fucking go over there. He didn't look. And how far was this bar from
the house? Well, enough to where they piled in Butch's car and drove. So it's not like,
I mean, I guess if it's minutes away by driving maybe. But it kind of made it seem like he
walked there. I don't know. So either way, there was a group of men, regulars, that were
outside of the house consoling Butch while this was happening.
Imagine knowing that later that you like, consoled him after that. I remember.
It's him. That makes me feel yucky. So again, Joey was the one that called
911. Bobby was the one that originally found the parents. So within 10 minutes, officers
were on the scene. And just again, through that group of men, they found Butch and they
took him inside and sat him on the kitchen table. Sat him on the kitchen table.
And at the kitchen table. You lifted him up like a toddler. You stand on that table now,
son. So officer Kenneth Gugusky was one of the first men on the scene and to actually
ask Butch any questions. And the first thing that he said to officer Gugusky was, my mother
and father are dead because he went upstairs and he found the DeFeo's murdered. When he
went to the next room, he found Mark and John Matthew as well. So he came back downstairs
and he saw Butch unconsolable, just sobbing at the table. And the officer notified Butch
that unfortunately his parents were dead and so were his brothers.
Do you didn't check on the sisters? Butch alerted the officer that in fact, he also
had two sisters. Oh my God. He was like, well, I also have two sisters.
Is that how he said it? That's what I think that he said.
Well, I have two sisters. Direct quote.
And quote. So it was at this time that officer Edwin Tindall had joined and joined them all
inside the house and together Gugusky and Tindall went upstairs and they also located
the sisters. Content warning, the police said when they entered the room, they couldn't
tell exactly what had happened to them because their injuries were so severe.
Oh my God.
They didn't know what kind of a weapon. They didn't know if they were a legend or not.
So it was very, very obvious that the parents and the brothers had been shot because they
had been their bodies had been pierced. So it was very obvious that that's what that
was, but the sisters got it in the worst location.
That's really interesting. Why? Okay, his mom was asleep. That makes sense. Both of his
sisters woke up and then he shot them in the faces. That's probably because he didn't
want to have to look at their faces afterwards.
That or...
Because they saw him and they knew it was him. The boys, maybe a little bit different story
one of them was asleep, the other one was kind of half asleep, but the two sisters
saw him. That's interesting, like psyche-wise.
I don't know. Maybe he did that on purpose because he didn't want them to live through
it or... I don't know. It might be a beauty thing. There's a reason that they say that
women never shoot themselves. And I mean, maybe that's part of it or maybe it was just
because they sat up and this, the top portion of them was what it was exposed.
When the parents are laying down, I mean, I guess he could have stood over them and
shot them in the head, but I guess to him it made sense.
That's true.
I don't know. Or maybe it's more morbid than that. Maybe he had already done it four times
and he wanted to do something different. I mean, that's a creepier thought.
Out of the realm of possibilities, though.
Yeah. So this is the detective. It's not just an officer. So he's the first detective to
ask butch any questions. And his name was Gasper Radazzo.
Gasper's a cool name.
I know. Gasper. Not Casper.
Gasper. Gasper.
He was the first to question butch as a detective. And he asked him what he thought, who he
thought might have done this, to which he replied, a man by the name of Louis Fellini.
And it's kind of a weird thing out of there because you'd never hear about a Louis Fellini
until now.
Yeah, and also it's like, who did this? Oh, it was that guy.
So apparently this guy had bad blood with the family and he was a well-known gangster,
like a mobster, in town. And that he had claimed that two years prior, Fellini had had an argument
with him and his father. Fellini was allowed to stay at the house for like a few weeks
or something like that. And with that, Fellini had done some, I guess, work in the basement.
Like he was digging this, what was supposed to be like a hidey hole for family heirlooms
and money and stuff like that. So he had said that Fellini was probably the perpetrator
because he had bad blood with the family and he wanted to rob them, which was kind of ridiculous
because nothing was missing. So at this point, you know, the attention of the neighbors would
come around at 7 p.m. People are home by that point from work and stuff. And so there's
a crowd that's starting to gather outside. So due to this and the impending danger that
Butch must have been in because Fellini is a mobster and clearly he wants to kill the
whole family. Yeah, he just happened to be at work when this happened. The police officers
convinced him to go downtown and or to the police station. And of course, remember, like
if a hitman's looking for him, then Butch is, you know, that he's in danger and so they
convinced him of this. So they want to talk to him about the details and Butch maintained
that in his interview that the night that after a night of not being able to sleep,
he went into work early. That's what he maintained. And he of course went through the entire alibi.
Like I was with Sherry, we went shopping, I went to Bobby's and all this stuff. And
of course, they want him to come down to the station because he's in danger. He can't be
like, No, I think I'll be okay. Yeah, I'll be fine against a mobster that murdered my
whole family. So yeah, he was saying certain things like when the when the police pressed
him, he was like, Well, I do remember waking up at 2am. And I do remember that Mark had
his wheelchair in front of the bathroom, which Mark just sidebar, I was like wheelchair that
kind of came out. So I didn't wear research on that. But apparently, Mark had had had
sustained a football injury from school. So he was which is honestly more horrible because
something like this kid could have escaped a broken leg. Like, it was really sad. So
Mark's wheelchair was in the hallway next to the bathroom doors. And he's like, Oh,
my brother must be using the bathroom. So he's like, I know they were at least alive
by 2am because Mark was fine, clearly. He decided he couldn't sleep and had to work
into work early. Then he described the rest of the day, like I said, so police continued
a press butch and he stated over and over that Fellini must have been the one that was
a perpetrator. Eventually, police would discover that the wounds from the family were that of
a 35 Marlin. Yeah. And during their search of the house, remember, he ditched the gun.
But there was ammunition in his room. Yeah. 35 Marlin. Yeah. Freakin idiot. I know. Dummy.
And so yeah, of course, they found the ammo matching the gun that was used and all of
which his previous behaviors came to light like his drug use, the stage robbery and the
deteriorating relationship with his father and his family. And of course, that was all
taken into account. So on the morning of the 15th, the very next day, 8.45am, he was arrested.
Dummy. What a fucking dumbass. I'm sorry. Thank God, I say this every time, thank God
for dumb killers. Yeah. For sure. That is so funny. It's not funny at all what happened.
So yeah, the murders happened. Yeah, the murders happened at what, 4am, 3am on the morning
of the 14th. So this was just 27 hours later. Yeah. Yeah. Dummy. So of course, the police
confronted him about the evidence that they had found regarding the ammo. And he continuously
lied telling the police eventually that Fellini had held him at gunpoint and made him do the
crimes. Hold on. That's not what you were saying last night, bucko. He doesn't care
about this Fellini guy. He wants him to go down. He's like, hey, did you know that Fellini
died three years ago? Yeah. The story's bullshit. Yeah. So yeah, he said that this guy held
him at gunpoint and made him commit the crimes with his own gun. That is literally the dumbest
thing I've ever heard. If this guy's holding him at gunpoint, why didn't he use his own
gun? Why'd he use it? Yeah. He holds butch at gunpoint and then he's like, you can use
my gun. Yeah. Yeah, right. God. This is just one of the many lies that he tells. Yeah.
And that just shows how narcissistic he is, but he thinks that they're just going to
believe that fucking trash. Yeah. After further pressure, but eventually admitted in the interrogation
that in fact he did kill his family. He said, quote, it all started so fast. And once I
started, I couldn't stop. It just all went so fast. I don't give a shit at all about
that. So the trial began almost a year later in October of 75 and prosecutors, of course,
did not want to lean on the insanity plea. They were not going to do that. So most of
his actions leading up to the crime, they found to be completely methodical, like him
trying to go to work, covering it up, all of this stuff and even stuff before that,
like planning the robbery. Yeah, it was all meticulously planned. And it's not like he
does something just out of reaction. He plans these things. And not to mention, and no one
knows this besides him because the only other people that were witness to it are not alive
anymore. But he attempted to kill his dad a few weeks before. Well, yeah. And it's also
noted that I mean, that all through all of this, they basically were like, he's a pathological
pathological liar and he loves to evade responsibility. Oh, yeah. That's just like one of his favorite
things to do is just do whatever he wants and then have absolutely no punishment. Yeah,
I mean, that's and unfortunately, that's what he was taught growing up. And that's what
God rest his parents' souls, but that's what they enabled him to do. Yeah. So at first,
throughout the duration of the trial, because he was on the stand multiple times, apparently,
DeFeo claimed that he had that his actions were part of self-defense. Everyone's sleeping.
And I'm sorry. Against a nine year old? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's self-defense. All right.
He claimed that he claimed that in his family, it was either kill or be killed. And he claimed
that him and his the oldest oldest sister, Dawn, who was 18 at the time, that they both
planned to kill their parents and that when he went into the room to kill his parents,
he did that. But that dawn had killed the other children and that when he came into the room
she said that she was going to kill him too. And so he killed her. What a piece of literal trash
on this planet. You not only brutally murdered your little sister and all of the rest of your
family, but now you're going to try to blame her for these other murders. I'm a victim. Literally,
go to hell. Yeah, literally. It's awful. So of course, like the jury is shooketh. They're like,
man, this guy is this guy's a lunatic. Like, how do you how do you lie so many times? And you think
that you're not gonna you think that that makes sense. He's narcissistic as fuck. Yeah, he thinks
that any any straw that he can grasp that. Oh, and also not to mention so your little sister
killed all the other children and then she just got back in bed and got under the covers and
then set up right and then said that she was gonna kill you get what the fuck. Yeah, no, where
was her gun? She was gonna kill him or that either that or I mean, maybe he was trying to say that
it was like a revenge, like killing like he killed her out of revenge. That guy, I don't like this
guy at all. Yeah, he is not my favorite. So he said quote, this is on the stand. As far as I'm
concerned, if I didn't kill my family, they were going to kill me. And as far as I'm concerned,
what I did was self defense. And there was nothing wrong with it. When I got my gun in my hand,
there was no doubt in my man, my mind who I am. I am God. I had to make that so quiet because
I wanted to yelp into the microphone. Are you kidding me right now? Isn't that crazy? Okay,
isn't that bizarre? Yeah. And sorry, no one's gonna believe your stupid ass when you say self
defense when these people were literally asleep. Yeah. So during the trial, a doctor Harold Zolan
attributed to Fayo's behavior to be anti social personality disorder. So this is a disorder
that manifests a person's like fully aware of their actions, they know the difference between right
and wrong. And they're motivated motivated by a self centered attitude. So really, it's, it's kind of
weird to say like, they're fully aware of what they're doing. But they kind of just don't care.
Yep. And it's personality disorders for you. They don't care who they steamroll and they don't
care who they hurt. And like, that's what's so interesting about that disorder. And that's what's
so scary about it too. Yeah, of course, because they literally can just like, leave destruction in
their wake. Yeah. And it doesn't affect them emotionally. Yeah. Because personality disorders
are so vague. Yeah. On Friday, November 21st, 1975, Ronald DeFeo Jr. was found guilty of six
counts of second degree murder. And I don't know why second degree. It didn't really specify what
those, what that meant. It might have been a plea deal that he took to avoid the death penalty. Yeah.
So he was sentenced two weeks later, he was sentenced to 25 years to life for all six counts.
That is nothing. Yeah. All of his appeals were denied the entirety of him living in the, yeah.
And in prison. What's interesting about this case, and I didn't even know when I started
researching this case that DeFeo died March 12, 2021. He just died this year at age 69. And even
more intriguing about that, this was in March, the cause of death hasn't been revealed, like it
hasn't been released. Huh. And I don't know why. That's really interesting. Since it's March, like,
I mean, that's, I mean, at this point, that's like, eight months ago. Sometimes if they suspect
foul play, they won't reveal it, but he's in prison. So foul play was very possible with
other prisoners. But then again, like why? Because usually when they don't reveal that,
because it has something to do with foul play, that's to keep people from either trying to harm
a person that's a person of interest or to keep them from, or so that they can still identify
the person that may have had something to do with it, because then they don't, they know details
of the crime that the media doesn't know. Well, it does say that he died at the Albany Medical Center,
and I don't know if that's like a psychiatric medical center, or maybe that's like an actual
hospital. I'm not really sure. I have to Google that. I hope he got like really
desly, sickly ill and like all of his toenails fell off. Oh, God, don't see that. The tip of his penis
is leaking. Oh, the toenail thing. Did you see the toes? So yeah, that is the story of Ronald
DeFeo Jr. I was like, I've never heard that before. Yeah, and that's where the Amityville franchise
came from. Wow. Isn't that incredible? That is really wild. Thanks for sharing that. Seriously,
that was a really interesting one. It's very tragic. I've never heard of that one before.
It's pretty intense. And I should probably watch that movie because it's very... There's a lot of
them. But yeah. So just real quick, anti-social personality disorder is a mental disorder in
which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the right and wrong
feelings of others. People with anti-social personality disorder tend to antagonize,
manipulate, or treat others harshly with callus and difference. They show no guilt or remorse for
their behaviors. And that's like one of the scariest diseases, like I said earlier, because
it's in the DSM. It's technically a mental disease. But is it really a chemical imbalance
that's making these people just complete douche canoes? Or is it like they can't help it? They
can't help that they don't care? You know what I mean? Or are they using it like, oh, well,
I have anti-social personality disorder. I think it's that nature versus nurture thing again.
I think that this is a nurtured behavior that he learned to create and how to deal with what he
was going through. I don't think it's like, like you said, a chemical imbalance. I think it's definitely,
it's not nature, it's nurture. Whether or not he was predisposed to getting this disease when he
was born genetic-wise is beside the fact there's plenty of people that are diagnosed with that
disorder that do not commit crimes. They don't kill people, of course. They live very normal lives
and they take medication to control it and do not have those impulses. So I mean, I agree with you.
I think it has a lot to do with nurture in this case. Unfortunately, that led to something very
horrific. Yeah, for sure. Well, thanks for sharing. I'm glad that you got to do your own little case,
not little, but your own case and I'm looking forward to the next one. It was, I'm like I said,
the next one. Kind of Halloween-y is what I kind of want to go for. I was like, oh, so close to
Halloween. Just in time for speak-speak season. Yeah. Well, I'm actually going to Colorado for
Halloween, so I'm really excited. But we'll be back, I'll be back in time to record. So,
miss any episodes. So, and we'll schedule some stuff for you. Like a mental breakdown should be
out on Sunday. Yes, this should be posted. I think you'll be hearing this on Thursday,
and then the mental breakdown will be posted on Sunday. Yeah. So that's going to be a good one.
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