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Hello! Hello! I'm Kenna. I'm Koelle. Welcome back to Diagnosing a Killer. Woo!

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I'm Koelle. Episode 7. At night. Taking out the trash. At night. No? No. Oh. I'm a millennial.

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Anyways, actually I guess we both technically are millennials. I'm a millennial. You're like...

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You're like... No, I'm not. I'm right on the cusp and you're right on the cusp. I think...

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What is it? 87 to 96? I don't know. I'd have to Google it. Or no, it would be 89 to 96 and you're 88 and I'm 95.

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So literally we're both right on the cusp. Oh. There's like a little graph. Graph? Graph.

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Look at this graph. Look at this graph. Millennials are 1981 to 96. Yeah, so I'm a millennial. Wow.

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And Casey is a bear. Not on the cusp. I'm not being one. I thought you were on the cusp. No offense.

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But Gen Z would be 97 to 2012. So our niece is on the cusp of Jay-Z? Jay-Z. And Rihanna.

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Our niece is on the cusp of Gen Z. Jay-Z. Hey Jay-Z, if you're listening, look at so crazy Rihanna.

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Generation Alpha is the next one. That's 2010 to 2020. I don't like that. Your son's in that. Generation Alpha.

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That sounds so like swole. Actually that makes sense because it's starting over at Gen Z and then Alpha would be the revamp of that.

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So who would be the original? Was there ever a generation of Alpha? I don't know. There's the lost generation that's 1883 to 1900.

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I would have been pissed if they named me that. What the fuck? The lost generation. Nobody gives a shit. Yeah, gee thanks.

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Greatest generation. Wow. That's so big headed. 1901 to 1927. And then the sideline generation. So was Paul in there?

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Paul was... I think he was born in like 36 actually. 39? I can't remember. Then the silent generation. 1928 to 1934.

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1945. Ugly because that's like the Great Depression and like the wars and stuff. Then the okay boomers. LOL.

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Then 1946 to 64. That's mom and dad. Yeah. And D-generation X. That's 1965 to 1980. Then millennials, Gen Z and Generation Alpha.

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So next is gonna be Generation Beta. Down the line. Unless they go with a cool name like Greatest Generation.

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Times two. Times two. Or 2.0. More better in action. So we actually set up the email like we said last time.

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So if you haven't sent us an email please do so because I am still looking in that frickin wind turbine of an inbox that has nothing except for Bushbrough.

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We also did set up a Patreon. So we had a number of people asking us if we had a Patreon and they wanted to know how they could support us and that is how.

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So it's patreon.com slash diagnosing a killer. You can choose. It's like a monthly kind of thing. So you can choose anywhere from $1 up to how much you'd like to submit monthly.

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And then that gives us an opportunity to create merchandise and then we'll do like depending on you know once we get a lot of patrons we will do our patrons I guess is what they're called. Patrons.

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We will start doing bonus episodes just for them so you will only be able to access that content if you are a patron and yeah so I'm really excited about that. I know me too. I feel a fish.

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It's a fish. Yeah it's definitely a fish. Like a beta. Gen Beta. Generation Beta.

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So we wanted to touch on a couple of things before we get into the case. I think you had a couple of things you wanted to say.

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Yeah so it was actually confirmed today that the remains that were found on that Wildlife Preserve was actually Brian Laundrie. So Brian Laundrie has been found deceased.

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And they, it was the FBI that released the statement and they said that they had compared dental records meaning that he's probably been out there for a long time.

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So probably since he's left, since he was reported missing. I mean it's been about a month right since he was reported missing. Yeah I think the last time that he was seen by his parents was the 14th reported missing on the 17th of September.

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So yeah it's been about a month since he was last seen. So they did find his backpack and they found a journal of his.

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And I know that everybody was saying, or everybody has been saying, oh wow what a coincidence like the parents went out there for the second time since he's been gone.

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And they just so happened to find something. I mean if that's all you hear about it seems super sus. Of course. But they had had, this area has been known to flood a lot.

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Every year it floods. And so they actually had dive teams that were in that what was like kind of this reservoir.

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But it was also very murky and muddy since it again it's a highly vegetated area. So when they were walking through this time it was because a lot of that water had dissipated.

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And then that's where they found these remains. He was in the water likely which also can contribute to decomposition. Oh it can increase that stuff. Absolutely.

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That's probably why. And not only that but I mean it's hot outside. Yeah. Especially in Florida it's really humid. Of course.

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So I'm sure that's why they had to identify him through dental records. So I think that that for me at least, and everybody has their own opinions, but for me at least I don't think that the parents will ever be charged with aiding and abetting

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because if he has been passed away since the last time they saw him then they're likely never going to see the inside of a courtroom for that at least. They might have been savvy to where he was going and what he was going to do if he did take his own life.

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And it wasn't wildlife or anything like that. They might have known where he was or where his whereabouts were the last time they saw him.

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As far as I know they did tell the police officers that when they reported him missing they knew where he was going which was that area. I think it's one of the very first places they checked. Yeah.

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And if that is the case that they did divulge that information to the police officers then I don't think they're legally responsible for anything. Yeah. And that was before he was a person of interest.

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It's just kind of a bummer because not only did, like you said they're probably not going to be able, or not be able, but they're not going to get charged with anything.

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However they didn't really do a hell of a lot to kind of help the investigation. They kind of just sat on their hands and waited for things to unfold the way that they did.

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And so it almost makes me think that either he told them what his plan was and I don't know why or how as a parent you allow that to happen knowing whatever which makes me think that they didn't know.

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Maybe he told them where he was going but he didn't tell them his plan and maybe he got there and his plans changed because he was overwhelmed with guilt or whatever it was.

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Whatever the case, unfortunately the Petita family is not going to get that conversation or that closure of why he did what he did and he's the only one that knows that. And unfortunately they're not going to get closure in that sense which really hurts my heart because

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yes they have, I don't even want to say justice, they have the knowledge that he is deceased and they can rest knowing that he's not out there and he's not going to harm anybody else. However, it's nice to have a little bit of an explanation which they're never going to get unfortunately.

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I think that the only, at least what I might take away if I was in that situation, which again I've never been in so I'm not one to speak on that.

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But a little bit of this all I would find is I don't have to go through a trial. I don't have to listen to the details.

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I think about Chris Watts and all the stuff that he put Shanann's family through throughout an entire trial and hearing the details of their grandchildren being harmed and all those horrible ways and what he did to them and having to relive that.

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That's got to be so hard. And again, now they know that he is not out there, he is not harming someone and they don't have to ever, I'm sorry, but they never have to look at his face ever a fucking again if they don't want to.

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Well, either way, our hearts definitely go out to the Petito family and as unfortunate as it is, like I said, that they're not going to get that closure.

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At least they can rest easy knowing that, not easy, but they can have that little bit of a silver lining that he is not out there and causing harm.

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So it's just hard because I don't remember a lot of cases growing up where I was actively following it and then we learned new information, new information. All the cases that I know or that I've researched have happened way in the past.

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And so it's really a weird thought to be like, oh my god, this is happening right now and it's like a nationwide thing too.

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I remember Nicole Brown, Nicole Brown Simpson, I remember Lacey Peterson, that was another big one, Lacey Peterson was interesting.

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I remember kind of following that a little bit and then of course the most recent Chris Watts and yeah, I do remember Chris Watts now that I think about it.

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Yeah, that was in Tula, that was like two years ago, maybe.

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Now we're going to get into the case. It took me a little longer because there's so much detail in this case.

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I didn't include all of that detail in here of course because it's a lot and also there's some of the details that were very graphic that I didn't feel comfortable relaying over the podcast.

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However, you're welcome to search that and find it just so that everybody know if you are going to search it. I did very easily stumble across some crime scene photos that were very graphic.

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So if you are going to take it upon yourself to dive farther into this case and research, you might come across that just to give you a little warning.

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I'm going to start off like I usually do with the early life of the person that we're speaking on and then I'll of course trigger warning when it gets pretty bad.

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So, and I don't even think you know who I'm talking about.

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I don't.

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So I'm trying to keep it in a wrap.

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I know, you've been like jonesing about it for days, so who is it?

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It's all I've been thinking about for days. If you work with me, you know that I've been in a weird headspace because this case is like, it's a hard one.

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So we're going to be talking about Richard Trenton Chase, aka the vampire Sacramento.

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All right.

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Well, don't look at my notes.

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She's so into stuff.

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peeking over at my notes.

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Now, Richard Chase was born on May 23, 1950 to Richard Chase senior, which was he was a computer specialist and Beatrice Chase.

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She was a teacher in Santa Clara County, California.

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Now, his dad is also named Richard Chase. So I'm going to refer to him as senior.

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So we don't get confused when I talk about, and I say Richard, I'm talking about Richard Chase, Trenton Chase, but when I say senior, I'm talking about his dad.

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Now, by all accounts, his father was an alcoholic that frequently beat him.

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We've heard this story before.

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It happens unfortunately very often.

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It's believed that cases like this.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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It's believed that Richard started showing signs of mental illness very early on in his life as early as 10 years old, which is really, really resonant.

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It says something considering the fact that he was later diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and that does not present itself in men until the late teens, early 20s and in women until the late 20s, early 30s actually.

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That diagnosis.

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So he was seemingly quote unquote normal as a child.

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And when he was three years old, his parents managed to move into a house in Sacramento and a year later, his little sister Pamela was born.

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He was a Cub Scout.

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He also played four years of Little League.

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He was really well known and well liked by his teachers.

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They all said that he was a sweet, good child.

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He was also really well liked by his peers.

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And he was noted of having dozens of them coming to his birthday parties that he would throw.

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So like popular little kid, you know.

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Now on the outside, this family of course seemed very normal and sweet, but of course the story at home, like it usually happens, was much different.

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And I'm not saying the household is much different like it usually happens, but when it is, it usually is not shown to the outside world.

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Of course, this was the 1950s, so the household was much different than it is today.

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This was the time where like the nuclear family concept was thriving.

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It's like the perfect American family.

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With mom and dad, one boy, one girl, you know, as their children.

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It's like stepford-wise.

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The mom was responsible for the housework.

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The father was meant to work and make the money for the family.

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The children were expected to help with the house and chores.

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And unfortunately at this time, it wasn't far-fetched for children to get spanked, punished or abused, you know, unfortunately.

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Pretty much things that we would consider abuse today was very normal back then in the household.

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Of course.

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However, the amount of physical abuse and mental abuse that Richard suffered was above average, even when compared to the abuse of other people that grew up to be serial killers.

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So they actually compared his childhood abuse with other people in the same situation where they grew up to be killers and his was extensively worse.

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Which is really a bummer because, I mean, like I said the other day, you want to feel bad for the kid, but you don't want to feel bad for the adult.

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The use was not only physical, it was mental and emotional, and it was actually like creative for lack of a better term.

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Like the father used like a lot of like unique ways to abuse his kids.

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I say that in a bad way.

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No, it's, you know, and when you're describing little Richard, he seems like a pretty good kid.

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So it's kind of interesting that he would receive that type of punishment at home.

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Like what could he possibly be doing?

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I think senior was just a dick.

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I think he's a sadist.

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And he's just like, I mean, maybe he's just into beating kids, which is horrible.

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Now this was kind of bad.

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One of the things that...

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Hey.

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Hi.

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Do it.

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What did you...

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You picked up my hair dryer.

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I think he's being quiet, but you can hear everything on the microphone.

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So this is bad.

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One of the things that Richard senior would do to little Richard was force feeding him

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at the age of two until he would vomit.

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That was like one of the ways he would abuse it, which is awful.

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I think like there's...

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I think food is one of those unsuspecting abuses.

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It's one of my...

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Oh my gosh, I was watching a show the other day about a girl who just got so upset because

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somebody called her out for not eating specific foods.

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And she has a trauma there.

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And it's like, again, it's one of those things that's so under the radar because you're like,

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how can you abuse your child with food?

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But you can't.

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You can withhold food and you can force feed food on children.

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So awful.

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Unfortunately, which is so terrible.

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Pamela, his little sister also came out much later after the fact and she said that she

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actually remembered multiple instances of little Richard and senior arguing.

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And this ended up with Richard senior shaking little Richard and throwing him up against

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the wall on multiple occasions.

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So he could have definitely...

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And he was like, how old?

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Little.

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Four or five?

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She was only three years younger than him.

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So he had to have been...

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The elder Richard was not only physically abusive, but he was noted as yelling at little Richard

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at any...

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Now I want to say little Richard every time.

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That's fine.

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Shout out little Richie from work.

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He was noted at yelling at little Richard at any instance that he was wrong or he made

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his dad upset.

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So he would be wrong about a fact and his dad would get mad at him.

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Or he would put his opinion out that senior didn't agree with and he would yell at him

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for it.

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Seriously.

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So not only was he super abusive to this children, but of course he was abusive to

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his wife Beatrice and they would constantly fight about marital things, mostly money.

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They would fight about his drinking problem and other things, you know, the stressful

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in a relationship, but not to the point where you need to be abusive about it.

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Unfortunately this fighting was usually very loud and in front of the children, which,

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I mean, if you're going to beat your child, it's not off the wall to say that you're

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going to...

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Yeah, you're going to do the same thing to your wife in front of you.

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You're going to do the same thing to your wife in front of your children.

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But I didn't see any record of Pamela being abused, thank God, but isn't it interesting

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that he only focused on Richard?

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Well, you know what, maybe it's the fear that she witnessed a lot, like the fear that

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she exuded from watching that alone.

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Psychological abuse.

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Well, of course, yeah.

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Of course he would probably be emotionally abusive, but he probably felt like he didn't

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have to discipline her because of what she was witness to.

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That's true.

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She was not above abusing women.

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Yeah, of course.

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Now on Beatrice's side, she was no angel either.

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She seemed to have some sort of mental illness or substance abuse problem, and she would

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frequently accuse senior of, quote, using dope and trying to poison her, which accusing

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him of using dope is one thing, but accusing someone of trying to poison you that literally

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indicates paranoia and delusion, which is a tall-tail sign of...

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Maybe, I mean, I mean...

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...because they're afraid of being able to care with other things.

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Yeah, yeah, maybe.

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But of course, yeah, if she's using that accusation quite often, then maybe that is a sign of mental

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illness of some kind.

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Now, she also would constantly accuse Richard Senior of cheating on her with their neighbors,

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and one time they went on a family camping trip to Oregon, and she accused him of being

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unfaithful during that trip, like with some random woman in Oregon.

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Not anybody specific, like not like, oh, that lady, like you did something, but she just

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accused him, like, since they were somewhere, you know, on that.

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Maybe he, like, went to go take a poop or something, and then...

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Mac!

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My cat is very upset that he's not in here with us.

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He's crying everywhere.

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So because of all the marital problems that the parents were experiencing, they of course

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didn't pay much attention to the children, and it was detrimental to Richard, especially

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because they didn't notice all of the tall-tail mental health issues that he was exhibiting

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in a very young age.

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You know, he was having all of these, you know, concerning behaviors that his parents

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didn't even realize because they were so enveloped in their problems.

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So I said that he was 10 years old when he first really started showing symptoms of a

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mental illness, or at least when he started acting on those symptoms.

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It was, I mean, he could have been a lot younger when he started to realize symptoms.

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So it was around this time, another very, very significant sign of serial killer in the making

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for lack of a better term, Richard began to have a fascination with dead animals.

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Serial killer thing.

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He would find stray cats around the neighborhood, and he would torture and kill them to satisfy

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his interest.

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Now this is very specific to note, because at some point in all children's lives, they

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will become interested in harming animals.

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That's a normal person growing up thing.

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Not saying all children will try to kill a cat or a dog, however, I mean, you can't

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say that every child didn't like step on a roly-poly or pull the legs off of an insect

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or burn an ant with the mic, or magnifying glass.

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That's a normal kid thing.

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When it escalates to not developing a conscience and not realizing that you're harming the

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animal, that's when it becomes detrimental.

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So a lot of children, of course, they will develop the conscience and they'll realize

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that, oh my God, I'm hurting this poor thing, I need to stop.

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Unfortunately, in cases like Richard, there's usually some sort of predisposition to mental

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illness.

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I'm not going to do that, and I'm not going to go and do it because I can do an entire

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episode just on this.

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But there is scientific evidence and theories and studies to prove that people are predisposition

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to develop a mental illness just based on their genetics.

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And when presented with an environmental situation such as a trauma or abuse or anything like

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that, that can actually put you over the edge, for lack of a better term, into having this

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mental illness actually express itself rather than staying stagnant.

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Isn't that so interesting?

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Okay, I'm done.

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Because I will do an entire episode on that because that is so interesting.

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And shout out Dr. Kahnbach because she's been telling me all about that in class.

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So Richard seemed to have a very grim interest in these animals, blood, and their insides.

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It was almost like a clinical interest, though.

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So it wasn't like...

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It wouldn't have been a bad thing.

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If I was doing surgery or something.

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Yeah, it wouldn't have been a bad thing if you didn't...

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If you go two ways, he's becoming a serial killer or a surgeon.

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Yeah, exactly.

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If he didn't take it upon himself to do these things, then yeah, it would have been a cool

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fascination, but like, no.

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No, I got that out when I was a kid by taking apart CD players, not animals.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, because of his fascination, he was leaning more towards his mental illness rather than

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a brilliant mind that wanted to pursue a career in the medical field.

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As noted by the age of 10, I thought this was really interesting, Richard was already

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exhibiting evidence of all three parts of the McDonald triad.

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This is also known as the triad of sociopathie or the homicidal triad.

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Now, this is a combination of three factors that states if somebody is exhibiting two

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of these three things at once, or of course all three, they are more than likely going

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to end up growing to be some sort of serial offender, a serial violent offender.

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These three factors include cruelty of animals, obsession with fire starting, which we'll

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see in a minute that he does exhibit, and bedwetting past the age of five years old.

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And you know, you are on a true crime.

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Yeah, I'm sorry, I go, yes, like I know.

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No, but you do, like you study true crime, like that's kind of a common thing that people

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know about, a lot of serial killers are bedwetters, they start with animals and stuff like that.

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Now this is bizarre to me because if his parents had paid any bit of attention to him, then

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this may have been able to be kept under wraps or at least controlled and possibly prevented.

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Because they could have seen all of these things kind of falling into place.

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Especially things like bedwetting.

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Yeah.

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Or like, I mean, again, and we said this during Josh Phillips case that we don't know what

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kind of household it was.

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Is it messy all the time?

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Does it smell like cat or dog pee?

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You know, whatever.

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That smells like that.

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But I feel like it, he said past the age of eight, oh five.

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Okay, so yeah, it should be a normal milestone for any child.

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So yeah, past the age of five, I would assume somebody would do his bed sheets.

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They have to, I mean, they have to know.

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Or maybe he would wake up and change himself really quick and they, I mean, they don't

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fricking pay attention to their kids.

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Yeah, almost they're pretty young.

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So they're more concerned with their fighting.

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And then the other ones were, the animal abuse.

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And starting fires.

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Starting fires.

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Oh, okay.

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We haven't gotten there yet.

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We haven't gotten there yet.

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Okay.

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But it does happen.

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Spoiler alert.

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That's like not even the worst part of this case.

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He's like, the fire's starting his life.

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He lights something on fire.

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The ends.

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Now back to his violence with animals, which started with cats, like I said, but also led

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up to birds, dogs and rabbits.

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One of which his mother actually found in the garden in their backyard after Richard had

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disposed of it.

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See, like she's seeing shit.

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You have to know.

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Yeah.

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And the mom does nothing.

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Oh my God, you're going to be pissed later when you find out what she just turns a blind

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eye to.

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Now he had actually killed so many stray cats at this time that people around the neighborhood

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started to take notice of their disappearance or their disappearances.

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Now on top of this, he became obsessed with setting fire to things like I said earlier,

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just small things, but still nonetheless.

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He was also still frequently wetting the bed again, which is uncommon after the age of

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five.

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He was 10 at this point.

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Unless I want to know, unless you've experienced sexual abuse because bedwetting is linked

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to if you have sexual abuse when you're younger, you can have bedwetting episodes.

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However, there was no account that that was ever recorded.

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Not to say that it didn't happen, but that was never put out there that that happened

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to him when he was growing up.

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It was at this time as well that he began drinking alcohol very heavily.

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At 10?

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At 10 years old.

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What?

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So you can see how this is going to go.

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Well, I mean, senior probably had a bunch of booze laying around.

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Of course he did.

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He was an alcoholic himself.

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And again, back to the whole predisposition thing, it has actually been studied and proven

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that alcoholism can be upwards of 75 to 80 percent genetic.

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Oh, yeah.

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And that's a ridiculous amount of, that's a ridiculous number.

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That's crazy to me.

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Now his behavior continued over the next two years and by the age of 12, Richard's parents

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fighting had reached a boiling point.

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It took them this long.

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Sorry.

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It's finally spilling over.

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Right?

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And they were like at each other's throats.

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Now because of this Beatrice took it upon herself to book sessions with two different

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psychiatrists for her emotional issues.

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Her emotional issues?

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So she can get herself.

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Her own emotional issues?

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What?

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So she can get herself help, but she can't pay attention enough to Richard to realize

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that he needs help as well.

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She got her own self-help with two different psychiatrists because of her emotional issues.

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And don't get me wrong, I guarantee you if she had like the money.

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She's also a battered woman.

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She probably was looking for, I mean honestly, personal experience, looking for an excuse

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of course to get away from that mother.

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Well I think that she could have very easily also been diagnosed with schizophrenia based

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on her behavior.

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She also could be completely brainwashed and have no idea.

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She thinks that her husband is just disciplining those children.

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You know?

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Now at the age of...

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I'm gonna give, what's her name?

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Barbara?

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Beatrice.

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Beatrice.

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I'm gonna give Beatrice a bit of the doubt.

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You're all right Beatrice.

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I don't think she's alive.

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I don't, that's okay.

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Well, hey Beatrice.

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Hey Beatrice.

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Got her.

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You got her.

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Stimebacks love that, by the way.

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You got her.

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You got her.

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At the age of 13, Richard's parents' financial hardships ultimately caused them to lose the

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house that they had bought in Sacramento.

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Now this is when Richard's view of reality had actually really become skewed.

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This is also the first time that it's noted that he became convinced that he was actually

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a member of the James Younger gang, which was a group of outlaws from the 19th century

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that included Jesse James.

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So he thought he was one of those members of that gang, which is like, all right, whatever.

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He's a country western fan.

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Yeah, he had actually gotten a poster of the gang and taped him, a picture of himself

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onto it so that it looked like he was part of the crew.

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It's not funny.

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Look, Mom.

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Look, Mom, I'm Johnny Appleseed.

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And he would actually constantly ask his mom to buy him a cowboy hat.

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I mean, that's kind of sweet.

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That's kind of very, that's actually very cute.

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If it wasn't completely drenched with mental disorder.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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And it wasn't like an outlaw gang that like literally murdered people.

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Like what if it's part of the deadlock gang?

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He also developed a strange habit of burning pans on the stove while attempting to cook

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for himself in the middle of the night.

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Like I guess he was trying to cook and he would like burn something in the pan.

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On purpose?

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I don't know.

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It sounds like it's on purpose.

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Yeah.

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He was also noted as leaving messes and puddles in the kitchen and refusing to clean them

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up, which like classic teenager.

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But on multiple occasions, he would turn up the heat in the house to 90 degrees while

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he was alone and then strip naked and stay the night on the couch in the living room.

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Well continuing to light small fires and still wetting the couch.

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I said wetting the couch.

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It's wetting the bed, but he was on the couch.

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What?

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And he's how old?

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13.

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13?

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He's wetting the bed still at 13.

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I'm sorry, but like I don't know what 13 year old wants to walk around naked in their

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house.

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By the time that Richard reached high school, his parents were completely done with each

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other.

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Took ya long enough.

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Or so they said.

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Our responsibilities with parents are done.

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We can now separate.

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Literally.

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You guys did such a phenomenal job.

443
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,600
Well he reached high school.

444
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:05,600
He's 14 at this time.

445
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,800
He still has a little sister that's three years younger than him.

446
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:09,800
That's true.

447
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,280
Their job's far from done.

448
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,280
Right.

449
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,920
So they said that they were completely done with each other and be addressed left Sacramento

450
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,400
and took the children to LA to live with her and their relatives.

451
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,640
Richard was a ninth grade at this point.

452
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:27,840
Well his dad didn't want this so he followed them to LA to get them back where he showed

453
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,400
up at the house and said, you know, your guys are coming back with me.

454
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,760
Well Richard, literally Richard took it upon himself to go back to Sacramento with his

455
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:34,760
dad.

456
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:35,760
I mean he just got in high school.

457
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,240
I'd probably want to go back to my friends too.

458
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,240
You know, in high school.

459
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,680
Like senior, what are you thinking?

460
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:45,840
Like you clearly have this thought that like your wife and your children are burdened enough

461
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,880
that you have to abuse them.

462
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:54,120
And then you get away, I'm sorry, but Scott free, they moved to LA and now you're gonna

463
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,720
like you're not done terrorizing them.

464
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,360
Yeah, he didn't have anybody to abuse them.

465
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,920
You had to go get them back.

466
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:00,920
Oh my gosh.

467
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,120
Now four months later Beatrice and Pamela moved back to Sacramento to live with the men.

468
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,360
Now back at school, Richard was still very well liked by his peers.

469
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,920
He kept himself well groomed and clean and he was even popular going on a few dates with

470
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:12,920
some girls.

471
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,360
I bet he couldn't stay the night.

472
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,760
The only thing that's noted about his behavior in high school that was different, that was

473
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,160
that he dabbled in smoking marijuana, which who didn't in the fucking 60s, which is fine.

474
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:28,120
But he also experimented with a lot of LSD, which who didn't in the fucking 60s, but still

475
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,120
he's 15.

476
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,120
Yeah.

477
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,120
That's terrifying.

478
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,120
Oh, it's terrifying.

479
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,920
I knew people that did LSD when I was in high school.

480
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,920
You still friends with them?

481
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:37,920
No.

482
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:38,920
Are they in jail?

483
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,840
Some of them.

484
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:49,040
So this, like we said in the other case with marijuana, it doesn't matter if you're a teenager,

485
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,000
it's detrimental to the development of your brain.

486
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,000
Of course.

487
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,880
And LSD, even if you are 25, it's detrimental to your brain.

488
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,720
Especially when you're so young and you don't...

489
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:06,000
I mean, I know there's the term micro dosing and things like that, which apparently has

490
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:13,160
been beneficial as far as scientific developments have played out, but...

491
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,040
Were they micro dosing in the 60s?

492
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,040
No.

493
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,040
That's what I'm saying is like, I think that now...

494
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,040
They're macro dosing.

495
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,240
They're macro dosing.

496
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,240
Take it to the highest, take it to the fullest.

497
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,240
Literally.

498
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,240
And that's what I'm saying.

499
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,160
Like when you're 15 and you've gotten away with smoking weed or doing shrooms or whatever

500
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:34,240
it is, and you graduate to LSD, do you really know what you're doing?

501
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,240
Probably not.

502
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,240
So yeah, you're just gonna...

503
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,480
You just go balls to the wall with an LSD.

504
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,920
And there were two girls in particular that he exclusively dated.

505
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,800
I couldn't find the name of one of them, but the other one by the name of Libby Christopher

506
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,560
he exclusively dated for a little over a year.

507
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,240
However, even though these two relationships were going well at the time that he was in

508
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,560
them, Richard ran into a deal-breaking issue.

509
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,960
While he was physically attracted to girls, he could not maintain an erection when becoming

510
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,120
intimate with them, and it was for this reason that the relationships didn't last.

511
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,520
So he knew he was attracted to girls, but he could not achieve erection or orgasm when

512
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:16,080
he was trying to be intimate with them, which can be very detrimental on your relationship.

513
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,920
Yeah, I mean, yeah.

514
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:19,920
Just from...

515
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,880
Clearly the dude has a lot on his mind.

516
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:23,880
Of course.

517
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,880
Of course.

518
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,040
Now, this is humiliating for any man I can imagine, but especially for a young teenager

519
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,040
that's literally supposed to be the epitome of getting a boner is what I put because they

520
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,040
are.

521
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:40,360
Yeah, the high-sex drive and going through puberty and all that stuff and exploring relationships.

522
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,360
Yeah.

523
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,360
Yeah, of course.

524
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,640
Now, on top of this, he was also really underweight and he felt that he was weak-looking and he

525
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:52,560
was weak-feeling, and he began to obsess over the fact that he was unable to get an erection.

526
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,240
After stirring on this idea for a while, he came to the conclusion that he could not

527
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,120
get a boner because he did not have enough blood in his body to make this happen.

528
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,960
So, you know how, of course, everyone knows how a boner works, but if you don't, blood

529
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,040
rushes to the penis and it makes it big.

530
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:12,680
Well, he got the idea, I must not have enough blood in my body because I'm so small and

531
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,680
that's why it's not working.

532
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,760
It's not circulating correctly or I have not pumping enough blood.

533
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:18,760
That's an interesting thought.

534
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,360
So, if you can't see where this is going, I'll tell you.

535
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:28,560
In his mind, he needed to begin to consume the blood of the animals that he had been

536
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,640
killing in order to help himself achieve an erection.

537
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,080
Now, he's called the Vampire of Sacramento for a reason.

538
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,600
Who didn't see that coming?

539
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:38,600
Yeah.

540
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:39,600
Dun-dun-dun.

541
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,600
Plotus.

542
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,920
Regardless of his internal and physical struggles, Richard remained popular in high school and

543
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,160
it was invited to many different hangouts, such as parties, you know, with the red cups

544
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,040
you've seen movies.

545
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,040
And you're supposed to laugh.

546
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,120
That's a John Mulaney quote.

547
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,280
I didn't laugh until you had me said, you're supposed to laugh.

548
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,720
Well, he went to a house party one night and he drank a huge amount of alcohol.

549
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,080
He began behaviorally, running down the street and he was making noises that were like unintelligible

550
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,440
like people couldn't understand what he was saying.

551
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,760
One of his friends was worried about him so he drove him home, good friend, where Richard

552
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,520
actually opened up about his impotence and how it was affecting him mentally to his

553
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,520
friend.

554
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,520
Oh man, right?

555
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,520
I know.

556
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,920
I really feel for him at this point in his life because like that's not his fault.

557
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,320
And we'll find out later that it's due to like underlying stress and you know, all of

558
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,320
his mental illness.

559
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,320
Of course.

560
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,320
Now I mentioned earlier that he was involved in drug use and of course is only heightened

561
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,320
things.

562
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,640
It's noted that this is the time where he was no longer a Cub Scout, little league kid

563
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,280
and instead was this moody teen that hung out with acid heads and had no remorse for

564
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,640
stealing or harming animals.

565
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,000
So he was really like completely doing a 180.

566
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,320
You know what's kind of interesting though is that usually kids like that, they go through

567
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:54,160
that hurting animal phase really early on and the fact that he stretched this way into

568
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,000
his teens is kind of, I think, a little unique.

569
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:04,520
Because I really feel like once young boys realize that they are young men and that they're

570
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,920
capable and powerful, then they know that they could probably start doing worse things

571
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,000
to people.

572
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,840
So it's interesting that in his psyche he's so weak that he can only prey on animals.

573
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,200
Well he's been told that his whole life by his dad.

574
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,080
But like I said, I think it's interesting that he stretched that out into his young

575
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,280
adult years.

576
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,280
Now of course his parents became disappointed in this behavior and his dad was especially

577
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,120
disappointed which like fuck you because you're an abusive alcoholic so I don't really care

578
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,120
what you think.

579
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,400
At the age of 15, Richard had his first run in with the law.

580
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,000
He got arrested for possession of marijuana.

581
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,560
He denied that he took it, like that he had ingested the marijuana, but he was sentenced

582
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,800
to community service as his punishment.

583
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,640
His dad did not protest this, but he also did not hire a lawyer to represent his son

584
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,280
while he was going through this.

585
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,960
And this made Richard Jr.'s resentment for his parents grow.

586
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,960
Like, yeah.

587
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,120
Because his dad was like pretty much like figure it out, like you screw you.

588
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,560
You do this to yourself.

589
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,240
Now after this happened, Richard began to do very poorly in school with his grades going

590
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:06,360
from Bs to Fs.

591
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,640
He didn't care about school, he didn't care about much other things than drugs and blood

592
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:10,640
at this point.

593
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,080
Although his grades were slipping and he didn't seem to do much, he was still able to graduate

594
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,400
from Mira Loma High School in 1968 and his parents actually bought him a Volkswagen as

595
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,400
a present.

596
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,520
Won't bust him out of jail.

597
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,600
Won't bust him out of a legal situation.

598
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,600
Don't hire a lawyer.

599
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,600
Don't hire a lawyer.

600
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:26,600
Here's a car.

601
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:27,600
Yeah, literally.

602
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,400
Well, this is three years later.

603
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,840
Still, here's a car.

604
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,200
In 1969, he's now 18 years old and still suffering the embarrassment of his erectile dysfunction.

605
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,080
He actually took it upon himself to see a doctor for this problem who determined that he suffered

606
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,160
from erectile dysfunction due to repressed anger or mental illness.

607
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,440
Good on ya.

608
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,280
Not only did he want to visit the psychiatrist for this reason, but he had also been identifying

609
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,920
that his emotions were unable to be controlled and it was beginning to worry him.

610
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,280
So he's like seeking help for this.

611
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,120
He's like, he knows something's wrong.

612
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,600
Now the doctor, however, did not think that Richard was mentally ill to the point where

613
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,160
he needed treatment or prescription and he didn't receive any ongoing mental health treatment

614
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,160
afterwards.

615
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,160
What did he say?

616
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,160
Like go home and do some fucking yoga?

617
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,160
He's like.

618
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,160
Be mindful-ness.

619
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,160
Be mindful.

620
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,160
Oh, God.

621
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,160
Yeah.

622
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,600
So he began to look for his own explanation.

623
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,000
Well, this is when he went back to the idea that his body was low on blood like he thought

624
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,840
a couple years prior.

625
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,840
As time went by, Richard changed from this put together clean young man.

626
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,200
It was now a disheveled, dirty man with long, uncombed hair that was living in filth.

627
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,720
He began to withdraw.

628
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:32,040
He began to crumble.

629
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,960
And people unfortunately stopped coming by his house or inviting him to hang out because

630
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:36,960
of this.

631
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,880
The senior was becoming worried about his son, which is funny.

632
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,160
But Beatrice brushed it off as a typical 60s teenager that was hippy and normal for the

633
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,840
times and didn't seem to think anything was wrong with her son.

634
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,360
Now upon further research, I really, like I said earlier, I think that she could have

635
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,760
been diagnosed with at least some sort of mental illness had she gotten the chance to.

636
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,560
And I really think that she didn't want the blame of passing that on to him.

637
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,560
And maybe she was ignoring it because it was easier.

638
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:04,560
Yeah.

639
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,840
There was a point of contention between the two of them, Richard senior and Beatrice,

640
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,840
that you made our son crazy.

641
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,360
He's that way because of you.

642
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,240
All this stuff, and maybe it was hard for her to acknowledge that.

643
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:24,160
Also we have to remember that if she were to have been diagnosed with something similar,

644
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:30,200
she probably doesn't recognize that he looks like that or is that way.

645
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:36,880
For her, I mean, there are parts of schizophrenia that are, you know, when you talk about delusions

646
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,560
and stuff like that or hallucinations even.

647
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,840
In her mind, he might have just been a very well adjusted young man because he was such

648
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,960
a sweet kid growing up.

649
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,640
You know, I mean, I don't know.

650
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,320
Or maybe she felt like he got such a raw deal growing up.

651
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,320
She didn't want to bother him.

652
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,320
That's also true.

653
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,680
She's like, I'll just let him do his thing.

654
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,160
Now in late 1968, Richard actually got a job as a typist and he held this job for some

655
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,480
time, this was with the Retailers Credit Association.

656
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,000
Beatrice would say that his work was more than satisfactory and he was beginning to talk

657
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,440
about going to college, a decision that his parents both supported.

658
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,320
He went with it and he actually enrolled at American River College.

659
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,560
So he was doing all the right things.

660
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,320
As he got older, however, his mental health began to decline and he began expressing ideas

661
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,840
of hypochondria.

662
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,760
He would constantly claim that his heart would, heart would quote, stop beating or that somebody

663
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,680
had stolen his pulmonary artery, which is a very weird thing to think.

664
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,120
He also would hold oranges to his forehead, believing that the vitamin D could be transferred

665
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,040
through his skin and absorbed into his brain via diffusion.

666
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,040
Yeah.

667
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:40,040
At this time, he also believed that his cranial bones had become detached and were beginning

668
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,000
to move around his head.

669
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,120
So he would frequently shave his head in order to watch the progress.

670
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,120
Oh my God.

671
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,120
I'm sorry.

672
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,120
I can't keep this.

673
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,120
Poor man.

674
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:55,400
I just, it just made, like it, it's mind-blowing because I don't want to laugh because of the

675
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,360
ridiculous, I want to.

676
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,360
You're not laughing at him.

677
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,360
You're laughing about how ridiculous and unfortunate these ideas are.

678
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:10,800
And it's sad that that's like mentally what he must, like how traumatizing, how anxiety

679
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,240
written must you be?

680
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:18,840
Like no wonder you're deteriorating as a human because I mean, if that's, if those are things

681
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,920
that you are thinking, then life must be exhausting.

682
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:28,000
That's one of my biggest fears is losing my mind and that's like really, like it holds

683
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,200
a lot of weight for me because I'm like, that's terrifying.

684
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,920
Now he was also noted as telling a doctor that his stomach was upside down and that

685
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,040
he believed that his mother was slowly poisoning him.

686
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,040
Sound familiar?

687
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,500
Sounds so familiar.

688
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:46,720
So he was also noted, this is a little bit bad trigger warning about animals.

689
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:50,080
He was also noted as capturing many different small types of animals again, like he did

690
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,360
earlier, drinking their blood and eating their flesh raw.

691
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,200
He was also noted as mixing some of their organs with Coca-Cola and blending them together

692
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,520
and drinking it in an attempt to keep his heart from shrinking.

693
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,440
So he thought that if his heart shrank, he thought that his heart was shrinking and that

694
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,780
if it did, eventually it would get too small and disappear causing him to die.

695
00:40:10,780 --> 00:40:13,200
So his way of preventing this was by-

696
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,120
And just being as much blood and protein as possible.

697
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,440
While drinking these, he called them smoothies and we'll see that he does that throughout

698
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:21,840
the rest of his life.

699
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,120
He'll make these concoctions and I'm not going to mention it again after this, but he will.

700
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:31,720
In 1975, Richard was involuntarily committed to a mental institution after being taken

701
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:37,440
to the hospital for blood poisoning, which he contracted after injecting rabbit blood

702
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,320
into his veins.

703
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,240
So instead of drinking the blood, he's now injecting it into his veins and he got blood

704
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:44,240
poisoning from it.

705
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:45,240
That's like sepsis.

706
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:46,760
You could die from that.

707
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,280
You usually die from that.

708
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,760
He actually escaped from this mental institution at one point from the hospital and he went

709
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,200
to his mom's house.

710
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,120
He was apprehended and he was sent to an institution for the criminally insane where he would-

711
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,120
All say?

712
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,120
Yeah.

713
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,960
Where he told staff of his fantasies about killing rabbits.

714
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,440
While fellow patients would frequently catch him capturing birds through his window, drinking

715
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,160
their blood and discarding them into the trash, he was also caught extracting blood from the

716
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,640
hospital's therapy dog and injecting it into himself just like the rabbit blood earlier.

717
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,320
Because of this bizarre behavior, he got his first nickname Dracula by the staff at this

718
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,320
place, which is awful.

719
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,440
They started calling him Dracula, which is like, dude, you're here to advocate for material.

720
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,440
To help people.

721
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,440
Yeah.

722
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,440
And you give them nasty nicknames.

723
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,360
It was during this time that Richard was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.

724
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,600
So you think it's over, right?

725
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:38,600
He's gotten the treatment.

726
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,600
He's in a good place.

727
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,600
Yeah.

728
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:41,600
Well, I have like five pages.

729
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,040
He's got a cool nickname.

730
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:49,600
Now after undergoing several treatments, Richard was deemed no longer a threat to himself or

731
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:50,600
society.

732
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,600
How many?

733
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,600
Several.

734
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,600
It said several treatments.

735
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:54,600
I heard seven and a half.

736
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,440
Actually, it was less than a year.

737
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,400
And he was on, you know, anti-psychotic meds.

738
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,720
After this, I mean, in 1955, when Thorazine was invented, so yes, that's had to have been

739
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:07,440
what they were giving him, he was deemed no longer a threat to himself or society and

740
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:13,600
released from the hospital in 76 and was sent to live with his mother who said, hold on,

741
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:14,600
she gets worse.

742
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,120
Oh, he must be cured.

743
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,000
He doesn't need this medication anymore.

744
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,720
And she began to wean him off of it.

745
00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:22,720
Okay.

746
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:27,320
Beatrice, you better be taking those drugs because home girl, you need them.

747
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,640
Schizophrenia is not curable.

748
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,320
You can never be cured if you are diagnosed with schizophrenia.

749
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,680
It's unfortunate reality.

750
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,960
However, you can live a very normal life if you are on your medication, you take it for

751
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,800
the rest of your life.

752
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,520
And even if you're on your medication and you start to feel better, do not stop taking

753
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,040
your medication because that's what's making you feel better.

754
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,680
I'm like getting annoyed.

755
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,600
Well, because he was not cured, of course, he again began accusing his mother of trying

756
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,040
to poison him.

757
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,320
This got so bad that Senior actually forced him to move out and they bought him his own

758
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,320
apartment.

759
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:01,680
That's going to work, right?

760
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,280
Didn't get a lawyer, bought him a car and an apartment.

761
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,280
Oh my God.

762
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,560
Well, I read somewhere that his parents bought him his own place, but I read somewhere else

763
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,800
that he moved into an apartment with friends, which I think they also paid for, began doing

764
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,200
a lot of LSD and smoking weed a lot and he would constantly walk around the apartment

765
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,800
naked like with the roommates in front of company even.

766
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,640
Well, because of this behavior, the roommates were like, hey, move out and he was like,

767
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:23,640
no.

768
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:24,640
And so they ended up moving out themselves.

769
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,200
So either way, it happened.

770
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,880
He was living alone at this point.

771
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,120
Now that he was alone again, he was free to do things as he pleased.

772
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,960
He continued to capture and eat dogs, cats, rabbits, birds, etc.

773
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,520
He was even noted as stealing and killing his neighbors pets.

774
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:44,320
And at one point he called one of his neighbors to tell them what he had done to their pet.

775
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,720
Like out of guilt or like out of psychosis.

776
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:49,040
Probably out of psychosis.

777
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:56,280
Now he became fascinated by the crimes of the hillside stranglers, which is a bonkers

778
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,280
case.

779
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,840
We'll have to cover it.

780
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,000
He believed that the stranglers were also the victim of the Nazi slash UFO conspiracy

781
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,360
that he believed he was the victim of.

782
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,520
So he's like, oh, these poor people are victim.

783
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,520
Then we'll get into that later with what he thought was going on.

784
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,960
He thought that he was abducted by aliens.

785
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,960
Well it says Nazi UFO conspiracy.

786
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,320
It doesn't go into detail until later.

787
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,640
So now he also became very lazy with his hygiene and didn't care to brush his teeth or his

788
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:20,640
hair.

789
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,640
He actually began to lose a bunch of weight and he actually became 145 pounds at one

790
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,640
point.

791
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:26,640
Oh, wow.

792
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:27,640
How tall is he?

793
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,640
511.

794
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:29,640
And how old is he?

795
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,640
20.

796
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,640
Okay.

797
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:32,640
Yeah, that's skinny.

798
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:33,640
I mean, that's a little skinny.

799
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:34,640
That's not like ridiculous.

800
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,640
I mean, who knows?

801
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,960
He might have been a little bit bigger before that.

802
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,880
Now I noted a couple more things that were weird that he did leading up to his kills,

803
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,000
which were, this one's bad, trigger warning.

804
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,600
He showed up to his mom's house and knocked on the door.

805
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,280
And when she answered, he thrusted a dead cat into her face.

806
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,840
He then threw the cat on the ground, knelt down, ripped open its stomach with his bare

807
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,640
hands and stuck his hands inside the cat, and then proceeded to smear its blood all

808
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,080
over his face, all the while screaming.

809
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,680
That is nightmare fuel.

810
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,180
That is horrifying.

811
00:45:07,180 --> 00:45:08,920
That's at 20.

812
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,040
It doesn't matter if he's a grown-ass man or not.

813
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,040
That's fucking scary.

814
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,720
You want to know what Beatrice did?

815
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:17,400
Did she get another therapist?

816
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,640
She calmly returned inside the house and did not report the incident to anyone.

817
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,640
Oh my God.

818
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,280
Who does that?

819
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,280
Who does that?

820
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,800
Let alone his own mother.

821
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:30,800
I know.

822
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:31,800
That's haunting.

823
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:38,000
Now, on August 3, 1977, Nevada State Police discovered his Ford Ranchero stuck in a sanddrift

824
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,680
near Pyramid Lake, Nevada.

825
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:46,040
Inside were two rifles, a pile of clothes, a bucket full of blood, and also in the bucket,

826
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,800
a liver.

827
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,480
Like a human liver?

828
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:54,600
Now the officers followed Prince and found Richard, who was naked and screaming in the

829
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,520
sand, soaked from head to toe in blood.

830
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,320
Was it his own liver?

831
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:05,240
When questioned, he claimed that the blood was his own and it had leaked out of him through

832
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:06,880
his flesh.

833
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,120
It was later tested and it was determined to be bovine.

834
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,120
It was a cow liver.

835
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,120
Right?

836
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,120
Right?

837
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,720
I had to keep you guessing there.

838
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:17,440
It was great.

839
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,120
Audience is like, just look at you and smirk and just keep going.

840
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:28,840
On December 27, 1977, Richard randomly fired his 22-gauge handgun into a Sacramento woman's

841
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:29,840
kitchen.

842
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,200
He was not firing anybody, but sparking his intense liking of firing guns into innocent

843
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,200
situations.

844
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,360
So he decided, oh wow, really like that?

845
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:38,640
Like he likes to drive by or like that.

846
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:39,640
He was literally driving.

847
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:40,640
Yeah.

848
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:41,640
Wow.

849
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,880
Now two days later, this is December 29th, he was driving in a neighborhood when one

850
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:50,160
Ambrose Griffin was in his front yard helping his wife get the groceries out of the car.

851
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,640
Richard shot his gun at Ambrose, killing him in his own front yard.

852
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,680
This man was in his 50s.

853
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,920
This would become his first kill and they didn't know it was him for a really long time

854
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:01,880
because it was so random.

855
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,000
And it was so like out of like the blue.

856
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,000
Yeah.

857
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,000
Clearly he's a nice man.

858
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,000
He's just helping his wife with groceries.

859
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,000
Yeah.

860
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,000
And later-

861
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,000
Probably didn't have a lot of enemies.

862
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,560
Later, Richard called this a quote unquote warm up for all the crimes that he was going

863
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:15,560
to commit next.

864
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,560
Oh, that's awful.

865
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,800
Now what followed was an increase in breaking and entering, stealing and victimizing for

866
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,440
the next few days and later some very, very brutal murders.

867
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,360
Now on January 11th, 1978, Richard went to his neighbor's door and asked to bump a cigarette.

868
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,160
When she went for her pack of cigarettes, he restrained her until she gave him the entire

869
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,160
thing.

870
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,160
Didn't hurt her and just left.

871
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,160
Weird.

872
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,840
I mean, maybe he like hurt her, but he didn't, you know, he didn't hurt her.

873
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:41,840
Yeah.

874
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,840
Nearly two weeks later on the 23rd of January at 2909 Burnie Street, Jeannie Layton spotted

875
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:52,200
an unkempt young man with longish hair walking through her backyard towards her back door.

876
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,520
She watched as he tried her patio door, he found it locked and then he went to the windows.

877
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,660
They too were locked, so then he came back to the back door, like the patio door.

878
00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:05,160
She met him there at the time that he came back because she's a bad bitch, face to face.

879
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,800
Well she said that he showed no emotion whatsoever as he scrutinized her.

880
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,560
I guess he said some choice words to her.

881
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:11,560
Yeah.

882
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,280
Well then he turned, paused to light a cigarette and then walked away through her backyard.

883
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,640
Like he was planning on breaking in, but doors were locked, windows were locked, she

884
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,080
was there and he was like.

885
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,200
But met some kind of a force and then he was like.

886
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,360
Well no, he's like, I think he might have scrutinized her through like a glass door

887
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,000
or something like she didn't open the door to like talk to him.

888
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,640
She like met him at the door and then he.

889
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:32,640
Yeah.

890
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,040
So now he didn't choose to bust windows or anything like that.

891
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,040
Yes.

892
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,040
Just like someone's home.

893
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,040
Yes.

894
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,040
Go on to the next one.

895
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,840
Well he was later noted as telling investigators that he considered a locked door as a sign

896
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,320
that he was not welcome, but an unlocked door as a sign to just come right in.

897
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,040
Like a vampire.

898
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,480
Oh my God.

899
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,520
I didn't even put that together until you said that and now I'm scared.

900
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:56,520
Yeah.

901
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,040
I wonder if garlic works.

902
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,680
Now well garlic comes up.

903
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,000
No I'm scared.

904
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,160
While wandering around, he encountered an old friend of his named Nancy Holden.

905
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,440
He attended high school with her.

906
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,320
He attempted to get a ride from her, but she refused.

907
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,880
We're going to go into details of this to counter a little bit later because it does

908
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:13,880
come back up.

909
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,360
Now down the street, Robert and Barbara Edwards were bringing their groceries into the house

910
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,320
when they heard a noise inside.

911
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,080
Whoever was there apparently had heard them and started to run.

912
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,960
They heard a window slam at the back of the house and then oddly a disheveled young man

913
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,560
came around the corner at them.

914
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:35,360
Edwards tried to stop him, Robert did, and he sprinted past and got out onto the street.

915
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:40,040
Well the man started to try to chase Richard, but lost him when he jumped their fence.

916
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:46,560
So he was in their house and they came home and he was doing something.

917
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,720
Now when they went to their home to make sure that everything was okay, they had actually

918
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:57,640
noticed that he urinated on their infant child's bed and defecated in her drawers.

919
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,400
So he like avoided his bells all over their house.

920
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:02,400
Oh my gosh.

921
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,400
I know.

922
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,520
Now if all of this was not already bizarre and bad enough, it's about to get way worse.

923
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,920
So this is where I'm going to detail that very, very graphic crime.

924
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,040
The trigger warning of the episode.

925
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:17,800
Now on January 23rd, Richard broke into the home of David and Teresa Waylon.

926
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,920
David was not home at the time and Teresa had left the door unlocked because she was

927
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,840
in the process of taking out the trash.

928
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,080
Richard shows up, goes inside and immediately shoots her three times.

929
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:28,440
Once in the hand, a defensive wound.

930
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,320
When she comes back in from taking out the trash.

931
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,320
So once in the hand, defensive wound, and twice in the head with the same gun that he

932
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,320
had used earlier to kill that Ambrose Griffin.

933
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,280
He killed her instantly.

934
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,800
He then committed necrophilia by having intercourse with her dead body, all the while stabbing

935
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,360
her with a butcher knife in the chest multiple times.

936
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,520
She's already dead at this point and he's just going for it.

937
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,000
But it's the blood.

938
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,320
He removed multiple of her organs, cut off one of her nipples and drank her blood.

939
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,000
This is really bad.

940
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:04,360
Before leaving, he took some dog feces from their yard and stuffed it in her throat.

941
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,160
I don't know what the motive behind that was or what the plan was for the...

942
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,160
Humiliation, maybe?

943
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,160
Maybe.

944
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,160
Or...

945
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,040
She was unfortunately three months pregnant at the time.

946
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,040
Oh gosh, that's unfortunate.

947
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,040
That's unfortunate.

948
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,040
That's so sad.

949
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,040
I know.

950
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,000
There's more to what happened that you can find, but I didn't want to go into too much

951
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:25,480
detail and that was the graphic picture that I saw just so that everyone knew.

952
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:30,280
Now two days later, Richard broke into the home of 38-year-old Evelyn Miroth.

953
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,520
She was babysitting her 22-month-old nephew David at the time and her 6-year-old Jason

954
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,400
was also there.

955
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,480
Also in the house was a neighbor named Dan Meredith and Evelyn was actually in the bath

956
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,120
and Dan was watching the kids when Richard entered the home.

957
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,440
Using the same gun as before, he shot Dan in the head, killing him instantly.

958
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,800
He then turned him over and stole his wallet and his car keys.

959
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,040
Jason, the 6-year-old, ran to where his mom was in the bathroom.

960
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,880
But before he could get there, Richard fatally shot him in the head as well.

961
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:04,840
And on the way to the little boy Jason, he shot the 22-month-old in the head as well.

962
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,200
And they both died instantly.

963
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,640
He then entered the bathroom and fatally shot Evelyn in the head.

964
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:11,800
This is where it gets bad.

965
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:17,960
He dragged her corpse to the bed and repeatedly sodomized her, all the while drinking blood

966
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,960
from multiple wounds on the back of her neck that he had made with a knife.

967
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,880
When the body was later examined by the medical examiners, they noted that they found a quote

968
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:34,880
unusual amount of semen in the rectal area indicating multiple ejaculations.

969
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:43,200
So he realized that he can only achieve erection when there is blood or a dead body involved.

970
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,080
Now after this, he remained in the home for quite some time and continued to defile the

971
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,080
corpses.

972
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,240
I do not want to get into the graphic detail because it is very hard.

973
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:53,600
Again all this is out there, right?

974
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:54,600
Absolutely.

975
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,120
Yeah, you can definitely find this information.

976
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,560
I just don't feel comfortable saying it.

977
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,960
Now at this point, a six-year-old little girl came over because she had scheduled a play

978
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,680
date with the older child, Jason, for that day.

979
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:09,000
The knock on the door scared Richard off, who then left the residence in Dan's car

980
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,800
and he actually took the youngest boy's body with him, the 22-month-old.

981
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,280
The little girl alerted neighbors because she saw him run, I guess.

982
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,120
The neighbors called the police and entered the home to find the horrible scene.

983
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,760
Fortunately, if there's any goodness at all, Richard left perfect handprints and shoe prints

984
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:27,760
at the scene.

985
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:28,760
Dummy, right?

986
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,920
Thank God for dumb killers.

987
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,080
So I said that Richard took the youngest boy with him, but of course I'm not going to

988
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,760
go into detail about what happened back in his apartment because if you can believe it,

989
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,240
it's a hundred times worse than what I've already said.

990
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:43,720
So you can look it up if you please, but I'm not going to say it here.

991
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:47,120
After he was finished with this part of his crime, he disposed of the body at a nearby

992
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:48,120
church.

993
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,880
Now Dan's station wagon, the car that Richard had stolen, was found abandoned not far from

994
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,400
the murder scene with the key still in it.

995
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,920
There was little hope that the baby was still alive because they didn't find the baby at

996
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,080
the scene.

997
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,360
The police didn't know it, but the parking lot where they had located the missing car

998
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:07,000
was only about a hundred yards from apartment 15 of the Watt Avenue complex where Richard,

999
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,480
Trenton Chase, lived.

1000
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:09,480
What?

1001
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:10,480
Yeah.

1002
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:11,480
He was that close?

1003
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:12,480
Yeah.

1004
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,800
Now the FBI were already on the case.

1005
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,920
Robert Restler and Russ Vorpijold developed a profile of who they were probably looking

1006
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:18,920
for.

1007
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,520
They figured him for a disorganized killer as opposed to an organized one with some clues

1008
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,280
pointing towards the possibility of psychosis.

1009
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:31,280
He clearly had not planned these crimes and he did little to hide or destroy any of the

1010
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,280
evidence.

1011
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,640
Of course he left those footprints and fingerprints and palm prints and he had probably walked

1012
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,160
around in daylight with blood on his clothing.

1013
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,400
In other words, he gave little thought to the consequences.

1014
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:42,400
Of course.

1015
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,400
Yeah.

1016
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,200
At the very least, his domicile would be as sloppy as the places he ransacked after

1017
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,000
he finished with them and the fact that the murder scenes were fairly close together meant

1018
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,840
that he might not have a car.

1019
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,240
In fact, he had actually taken the car from the house of course, so he must have walked

1020
00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:56,240
to that house.

1021
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:57,240
Yeah.

1022
00:54:57,240 --> 00:55:00,160
Now they said that this meant that it was likely that he lived in the vicinity of the

1023
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,760
crime of course and it was also likely that he would kill again and keep on killing until

1024
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:04,760
he was caught.

1025
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,600
So there was like a spree killing they were thinking.

1026
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,360
So of course they had to work fast.

1027
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:12,080
They also figured him to be a white male in his 20s, thin and undernourished, which is

1028
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,680
like, whoa, that's like really accurate.

1029
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,960
That's very specific.

1030
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,400
So they were sure that if they found his residence, evidence of the crimes would be there and

1031
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,800
if he had a vehicle, it would also have evidence in there as well.

1032
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,040
They also said that he would either have a history of mental illness or drug use or

1033
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,760
both and he would be something of a loner.

1034
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:29,760
This is like so spot on.

1035
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:30,760
What is this on criminal mind?

1036
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:31,760
What is that?

1037
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,240
This is the FBI profile.

1038
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:35,240
Mind hunter.

1039
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:36,240
Right.

1040
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:37,240
This is actually verbatim.

1041
00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:40,320
I'm quoting, I'm not quoting, but I'm reading verbatim when I saw.

1042
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,140
Well, they thought he was probably employed at some menial labor or unemployed given his

1043
00:55:44,140 --> 00:55:47,400
apparent state of mind and could be receiving some disability money.

1044
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,920
He probably lived alone and he might be paranoid.

1045
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,040
And then many people were questioned around the same area and some had seen a white male

1046
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,000
driving a red station wagon.

1047
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,360
So the police artist tried to make a sketch, but few of the descriptions were helpful except

1048
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,120
for that of a young woman.

1049
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,880
Remember the same woman from earlier that refused to give him a ride?

1050
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,360
Nancy Holden.

1051
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,560
She had called saying that she believed these horrible murders could have been Richard.

1052
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,360
She had told him that she had an odd encounter.

1053
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,800
This was the one from earlier.

1054
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,680
She was shopping in the town and country village shopping center not far from his apartment

1055
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,440
complex and close to the close to the residence of these horrible killings.

1056
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,320
When she saw a strange man approaching her who appeared to be confused, she said she

1057
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,360
tried to avoid him, but he directed a question at her.

1058
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,200
The question said, were you on the motorcycle when Kurt was killed?

1059
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,120
He asked Nancy was startled apparently.

1060
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,680
She said that 10 years earlier she had dated a boy named Kurt who had been killed on a

1061
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:39,680
motorcycle.

1062
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:40,680
Wow.

1063
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:45,000
So she said it was then that she noticed something really familiar about this interrogator,

1064
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,240
the guy.

1065
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:48,800
She asked him who he was and he replied, Rick Chase.

1066
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,040
And she was absolutely dumbfounded.

1067
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:57,520
She's like, this guy looked nothing like the clean cut Rick that I had known in high school.

1068
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,640
She said she had heard that he had gotten into drugs and looking at him now she realized

1069
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:01,920
that that was true.

1070
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,000
She said he was grimy and stained and his agitated manner made her nervous.

1071
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,560
Well she also said that she talked with him for a few minutes trying to seek her way out

1072
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,760
and finally was able to leave when the store, when he was still paying for something.

1073
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,800
However, he followed her into the parking lot, intent on getting a ride from her.

1074
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,120
Well she managed to get into her car, roll up the windows, lock the doors and pull out

1075
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,520
before he could stop her.

1076
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:24,520
Thank God.

1077
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,560
She was like, I just had to get away.

1078
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,560
She's like, I knew I was being rude but I just need to get away.

1079
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,040
Thankfully because of the amount of evidence left at the crime scene and this call, detectives

1080
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,840
went to Richard's apartment where he refused to speak with them.

1081
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:42,040
Of course, hiding down the hallway police waited for him to come outside and actually

1082
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,160
knocked on the door and he didn't answer so they pretended to walk away.

1083
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,160
They did that like, stepped up.

1084
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:52,240
Yeah, just like that.

1085
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:57,000
So he came outside eventually and they immediately arrested him when they noticed he was carrying

1086
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,680
a bloodstained box.

1087
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:04,040
Inside of this box were pieces of blood soaked wallpaper and the pistol that he had used.

1088
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,280
They also noted that his apartment was covered in blood from the floor to the ceiling, up

1089
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,520
the walls and on all of his eating utensils.

1090
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:18,280
So he like, was like anointing his apartment with blood.

1091
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,920
So inside the refrigerator, trigger warning, this is bad, police found several animal body

1092
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:23,920
parts.

1093
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,520
They also found the 22 month old David's brain in a Tupperware container and several of Evelyn

1094
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,080
and Teresa's organs.

1095
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,200
This was gathered from Richard to compare to samples that were already being analyzed

1096
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,320
in the crowd from the murder victims.

1097
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,400
While there was plenty of blood on his clothing, they also took samples from him.

1098
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,360
However, when they tried to take a blood sample, he had to be restrained because they had no

1099
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,640
idea of his intense fear of losing his blood.

1100
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:46,640
Yeah.

1101
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,160
And he was like, you're not taking my blood, my fuckers.

1102
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,560
I worked hard for this.

1103
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:55,800
Now, Ferris Sollamy was appointed as Richard's attorney and he immediately separated from

1104
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,160
the detectives who had spent so much time trying to extract a confession.

1105
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:00,160
Of course.

1106
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,520
Now, police officers continued to search for the baby.

1107
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,760
They used a bloodhound and they even went to Richard's mom's home and she was so uncooperative,

1108
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,960
insisting that despite what they had found, it did not prove that her son had done anything.

1109
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:11,960
Yeah.

1110
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,720
At one point, Richard admitted to another inmate that he had drank the blood of his victims

1111
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,280
because it had, because he had blood poisoning.

1112
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,840
He needed blood and he had grown tired of hunting and killing animals.

1113
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,280
Finally the 22 month old was found.

1114
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,560
On March 24th, the church janitor came upon a box containing the remains of the baby.

1115
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,120
Unfortunately, it's very sad.

1116
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,640
When they arrived, they recognized the clothing and it was determined that it was the missing

1117
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:34,960
boy from the mirth home.

1118
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,440
Again, there is more detail here.

1119
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:37,440
I'm not going to go into.

1120
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:38,840
You can find it if you'd like.

1121
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:43,560
Beneath the body was a ring of keys that fit Dan Meredith's now impounded car.

1122
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:44,560
Huh.

1123
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,640
So the car they had stolen, I guess they said a keys that were, even though the keys were

1124
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:48,640
left in the car, they were key keys.

1125
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,840
Well, he ditched the car and then he left the baby the car, or the car keys.

1126
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:52,840
Yeah.

1127
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:53,840
Yeah.

1128
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,880
Now the lead prosecutor for the case of California versus Richard Trenton Chase, Ronald W. Tachterman,

1129
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,040
he intended to seek the death penalty.

1130
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,760
The defense actually entered a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity, but the prosecutor

1131
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,520
was the prosecutor was determined to show that he knew the difference between right

1132
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,560
and wrong and that he was not compelled to murder.

1133
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:16,300
Part of the prosecution strategy included playing up on the legends of Dracula.

1134
01:00:16,300 --> 01:00:20,460
He also had read about blood related crimes and blood rituals in various cultures and

1135
01:00:20,460 --> 01:00:23,680
noting that some people believed that ingesting another person's blood would strengthen or

1136
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:24,680
heal them.

1137
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,380
Uh, he of course wanted to paint that to the jury.

1138
01:00:27,380 --> 01:00:30,680
And he wanted to show that this, while this might be a belief, it was not a viable reason

1139
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,160
for murder.

1140
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,600
Richard then took the stand in his own defense.

1141
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:40,840
At this point, no, no, no, he looked awful and he had dropped in a weight to 107 pounds.

1142
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,520
So he's like a skeleton.

1143
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,160
His eyes were sunken and lusturless.

1144
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:49,880
I'm sure he thought that it was because he wasn't consuming any blood.

1145
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:54,480
Now he claimed to have been semi-conscious during the wall and murder and he described

1146
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,080
in detail the way that he had been mistreated much of his life.

1147
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,440
He admitted to drinking the blood, but he did not recall much about the second series

1148
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,160
of murders, but he knew that he had done something after the fact with the baby.

1149
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,640
He thought his problems had stemmed from his inability to have sex with girls as a teenager

1150
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,400
and he said he was sorry for the killings.

1151
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,080
Well, in order to avoid the death penalty, the defense tried to have him found guilty

1152
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,440
of second degree murder, which would have resulted in a life sentence.

1153
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,840
Their case literally hinged on his history of mental illness and the lack of planning

1154
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,600
in his crimes, evidence that they weren't premeditated.

1155
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,000
The jury was not having it.

1156
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:32,080
Well, I mean the premeditation is that he thinks he needs blood to survive.

1157
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,320
That is premeditation in itself.

1158
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,840
Now the defense asked for a clemency hearing actually in which a judge determined that

1159
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,200
Richard was not legally insane.

1160
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:45,120
But on May 8th, 1978, after only five hours of deliberation, the jury returned a verdict

1161
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,520
of six counts of first degree murder.

1162
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,360
He was sentenced to die in a gas chamber.

1163
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,400
Now during the sanity phase, the judge found Richard legally sane after deliberating only

1164
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:55,480
an hour.

1165
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,960
It took them four hours to decide that he should die in the gas chamber at San Quentin

1166
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,040
Penitentiary, which is a very rough prison.

1167
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:07,640
In prison, the other inmates were actually super terrified of him, obviously aware of

1168
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,680
his graphic crimes.

1169
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:15,000
And according to prison officials, they often tried to convince him to kill himself because

1170
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,240
they were too fearful to get close enough to do it themselves.

1171
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:19,240
Wow.

1172
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,920
That's creepy, right?

1173
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,680
Now this is where that Nazi UFO theory comes back into play.

1174
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,920
Richard was also granted a series of interviews with Robert Restler, during which he spoke

1175
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:32,560
of his fears of Nazis and UFOs, claiming that although he had killed, it was not his fault

1176
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:36,120
and he had been forced to kill to keep himself alive, which he believed any person would

1177
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:37,120
do.

1178
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:42,640
He asked Restler to give him access to a radar gun, which he could apprehend the Nazi UFO

1179
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,360
so that the Nazis could stand trial for the murders.

1180
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,480
So he was now saying a bunch of nonsense.

1181
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,640
They made me do it, like I was possessed or whatever.

1182
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:56,320
They were the ones that actually did it.

1183
01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:00,080
He also handed Restler a large amount of macaroni and cheese, which he had been hoarding in

1184
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,360
his pants pockets, believing that the prison officials were in league with the Nazis and

1185
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:05,720
attempting to kill him.

1186
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,760
I don't know why he needed to hoard mac and cheese to prevent that from happening, but

1187
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,160
did he think that maybe the mac and cheese was like poison?

1188
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:12,160
I don't know.

1189
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,160
Probably.

1190
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,800
And that he's like, oh, take this to the outside and get attempted.

1191
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:16,800
Yeah.

1192
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:17,800
They're trying to poison me.

1193
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:18,800
Shit.

1194
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:26,120
Now, on December 26th, 1980, a guard had found Richard lying on his bed, not breathing.

1195
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,160
After autopsy, it was determined that he had committed suicide with an overdose of prison

1196
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:35,280
doctor prescribed antidepressants, which he had been saving for up to weeks prior.

1197
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,280
Which now they like wait for you to take something.

1198
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:38,760
Yeah, you would have to.

1199
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,040
K.P. Holmes, the coroner, was called.

1200
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:45,560
He searched the cell and located the strange suicide note about taking some pills.

1201
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:49,840
Richard had been taking a daily dose of Sinequin for hallucinations and depression, which came

1202
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,080
to his cell in a package of three pills.

1203
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,760
Apparently, he had hoarded the pills and then overdosed.

1204
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:59,600
The cause of his death was toxic ingestion.

1205
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,280
His heart was found to be in normal and in good shape despite his lifelong concerns about

1206
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:04,280
it being shrunk.

1207
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:05,280
Too tiny.

1208
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:06,280
Like the Grinch.

1209
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:07,280
Yeah.

1210
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,000
The prison psychiatrist noted that Richard had been psychotic since the time he had entered

1211
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,960
the prison, but no one much bothered about the nature of his bizarre obsession with blood.

1212
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:19,840
In 1992, a movie called Unspeakable was made based on Richard as a model for the killer.

1213
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:24,360
His case is actually still used by the FBI as the archetypal model for understanding

1214
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,160
the disorganized killer.

1215
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:27,240
Interesting.

1216
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:28,240
That was a doozy.

1217
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,240
That was a lot of information.

1218
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:40,000
That was a lot of tragic things that happened to undeserving people.

1219
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:47,040
Most of all, knowing that he has this mental disorder and it never got treated, and when

1220
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,840
it was treated, he had people around him that didn't support him in that treatment.

1221
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,560
That's just as awful.

1222
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:58,760
It's really a tragic case, especially for the victims, but also for Richard.

1223
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,240
He was diagnosed, periodoschizophrenia.

1224
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:03,840
That's the thing that I don't understand.

1225
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:04,840
He was diagnosed.

1226
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,800
He got the treatment that he should have gotten.

1227
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:11,960
He got the doctor and the prescription, and his mom decided that, no, he's not going to

1228
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,720
take that medication and took him off his medication, and six people lost their lives

1229
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,280
for it, which is absolutely tragic.

1230
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:24,800
Now, we've touched on periodoschizophrenia before, but I am actually going to not mention much

1231
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:29,800
about it in this episode because we have introduced a new bonus segment that we are going to do

1232
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,680
next, after this episode and the next episode.

1233
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,160
We're going to do something called the mental breakdown.

1234
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:37,520
I'm really excited for it.

1235
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:44,400
It's going to be pretty much a single diagnosis out of the DSM-5 that we will cover.

1236
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:48,480
We'll talk a little bit about the definition of some of these disorders and try to do one

1237
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:49,480
weekly for you guys.

1238
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:55,040
It'll be about a 15, 20, 25-minute long episode, something that you can listen to on your way

1239
01:05:55,040 --> 01:06:00,240
to work or while you're doing the dishes or doing some chores or what may have you.

1240
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:01,240
A quickie.

1241
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,400
Yeah, a quickie.

1242
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,520
We love doing these hour-long episodes for you guys, but yeah, we definitely want to

1243
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,560
talk about the diagnosis and our mental breakdown.

1244
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:15,120
It'll help you understand the psyche behind the people that we're talking about because

1245
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:19,720
I know that I definitely don't want to come across as being sympathetic for the killer

1246
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:20,720
because I am not.

1247
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:25,800
I am sympathetic for the mental illness and a mental illness advocating stance.

1248
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,600
Of course, it is all about the victims and that's why we detail the crimes the way that

1249
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:34,280
we do because everybody's story deserves to be told in a respectful manner.

1250
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:40,280
However, these mental illnesses are so interesting and they're so predominant to the reason behind

1251
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:41,280
these crimes.

1252
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,920
Maybe once you listen to this mental breakdown, you can listen back to another person that

1253
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,760
we've touched on that has the same diagnosis or suspected diagnosis and then you'll be

1254
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,920
able to understand a little bit more about the things that they did leading up to their

1255
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,280
killings that were really tall-tail signs of those diagnosis.

1256
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,200
I think nowadays it's really important to talk about just because we are in a society

1257
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:06,240
that's getting to recognize that mental disorders and unique needs are something that I think

1258
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:10,480
everybody struggles with and people deserve to be recognized with that as well.

1259
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:14,280
I mean, there are plenty of people with mental disorders that do not commit crimes and do

1260
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:19,480
not commit violent crimes.

1261
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,760
As much as we want to give recognition to the victims, of course, it's horrible what

1262
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:30,640
happens but to really talk and bring awareness to people about what schizophrenia is or what

1263
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:35,120
bipolar disorder is so that you might not struggle with it but a loved one that you

1264
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:40,560
have might struggle with it and it might be a little easier to empathize with them once

1265
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,280
you get a true understanding of what that disorder is like.

1266
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:44,280
Absolutely.

1267
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:45,280
Absolutely.

1268
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:49,600
Also, it's much more fun to listen to us tell you all the research that we've done than

1269
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:50,800
by reading it yourself.

1270
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:51,800
I mean, reading is great.

1271
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:52,800
Not going to be wrong.

1272
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:54,080
Reading is what?

1273
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:55,080
Fundamental.

1274
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:56,080
Fundamental.

1275
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,080
Leave that in there.

1276
01:07:58,080 --> 01:07:59,080
Fundamental illness.

1277
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,080
Fundamental illness.

1278
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,080
Fundamental illness.

1279
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,280
Well, thank you guys for sticking with us through that account.

1280
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:11,720
Again, I do want to say one more time, I know I left out a lot of details in this case,

1281
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,480
however, I did that on purpose.

1282
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,840
So if you're going to try to email me or text me and tell me that I missed this and that

1283
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:18,080
in the other eye, no I did.

1284
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,160
I just didn't feel comfortable saying that.

1285
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:25,000
Also, before we go, I wanted to quickly bring to light because I completely forgot to mention

1286
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,760
it in the beginning of the episode.

1287
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:31,400
One of our listeners texted me and gave me a little bit of information based on our last

1288
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:32,400
case.

1289
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,720
So I want to, it was Macy, shout out Macy.

1290
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:42,520
Macy actually works right now as an embalmer and she is transitioning from an embalmer

1291
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,360
to a funeral director position right now.

1292
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:46,480
So she is just doing the damn thing.

1293
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:50,920
But she texted me, first of all, she said, yo, your podcast is dope and all cows.

1294
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:51,920
So I said, thank you for that.

1295
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,720
I really appreciate that.

1296
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:58,240
So she was telling me that she was listening to Monica Melissa Patterson episode.

1297
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:02,800
And you know, we talked about how power, she had power of attorney or whatever.

1298
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,720
She actually said in the state of Texas, power of attorney ceases at the time of death.

1299
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,440
Now she said she can only speak on behalf of the way that business is conducted at her

1300
01:09:10,440 --> 01:09:12,000
funeral home.

1301
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:16,680
But in order to proceed with disposition, they would need an AOA or an appointment of agent.

1302
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,560
So a lot of, she said a lot of controlling children want to handle funeral arrangements

1303
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,480
for the deceased's parent when their spouse is still alive.

1304
01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:27,520
She said they say things like, well, I have power of attorney and she has to tell them

1305
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,760
that that doesn't mean anything because it ceases at the time of death.

1306
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:31,760
Interesting.

1307
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:32,760
Yeah.

1308
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,640
So she said, although I have heard of funeral homes letting whoever will pay be in charge

1309
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,280
of disposition of the body, I would hope the funeral home wouldn't have let that bitch

1310
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:40,680
proceed with cremation.

1311
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:41,680
Yeah.

1312
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:42,680
Okay.

1313
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:43,680
Yeah.

1314
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:44,680
A valid point, maybe for sure.

1315
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,560
Well, and it's nice to hear from somebody that kind of has a firsthand account of that.

1316
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,800
And mom actually said the same thing when our grandfather passed away a few months ago

1317
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:54,960
and she was having the, her, his spouse was no longer alive either, but she was having

1318
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,000
that issue with power of attorney.

1319
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,480
They were kind of giving them grief about it.

1320
01:09:58,480 --> 01:09:59,480
Yeah.

1321
01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:02,880
Like what's power of attorney versus like, yeah, because I guess power of attorney is

1322
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:07,960
over the estate and things like that, but not necessarily what somebody wants to do

1323
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:08,960
with their body.

1324
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:09,960
Yeah, absolutely.

1325
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,960
It might be like advocating for the person while when they're not of sound mind or something

1326
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:13,960
like that.

1327
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:14,960
But yeah, so thank you, Macy, for that information.

1328
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:15,960
Yeah, thanks, Macy.

1329
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:16,960
And thank you for listening.

1330
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:17,960
It's so good to hear from you.

1331
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:18,960
Yeah.

1332
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,080
I'm glad that I'm glad that you're liking what we're doing.

1333
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:22,080
Yeah.

1334
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,240
Once again, guys, you know, you can always text us if you have our numbers.

1335
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,880
We're not going to give out our numbers, but any friends or family that are listening

1336
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,880
for sure, reach out or Instagram.

1337
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,400
Instagram is a great way to get ahold of us.

1338
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:34,800
Email of course, which is...

1339
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:39,560
Well, our Instagram is at diagnosing a killer and then email is diagnosing a killer at gmail.com.

1340
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:40,560
There we go.

1341
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,760
We also have a Twitter, which is at killer diagnosis.

1342
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:45,240
We do have our Patreon setup.

1343
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,240
Once again, it's at patreon.com slash diagnosing a killer.

1344
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,120
If you like what we're doing and you want us to continue to do it and you think we sound

1345
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,080
great, then please, please donate if you feel so inclined.

1346
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:55,080
We want to make stickers.

1347
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,240
Oh yeah, we're going to make stickers.

1348
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:02,240
And honestly, I think that we may, when it gets to the point where we're monetizing and

1349
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:06,360
doing good things, we may start sending out gifts to our patrons.

1350
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:07,960
Yeah, maybe some merch package.

1351
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:08,960
Little goodies.

1352
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:09,960
Packages.

1353
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,560
It is spooky season, so we could do a lot of stuff with that.

1354
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:13,560
That's true.

1355
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:14,560
Well, thank you all for listening.

1356
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:18,320
We come back and look forward to doing the mental breakdown.

1357
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,320
Yeah, stay tuned for the mental breakdown, guys.

1358
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:21,320
All right.

1359
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:22,320
Love you.

1360
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:23,320
Bye.

1361
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:24,320
Love you.

1362
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:46,840
Bye.