1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,000 Hello! 2 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Hello! 3 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,200 Yeah, I have 45 hours now to record. 4 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:05,200 Let's go! 5 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,440 I just had to clear all the storage of my computer, all of the stuff, because I had no storage 6 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,680 left and it cut us off in the middle of recording this. 7 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,400 Well, at least it is fixed. 8 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,520 Yep, another one solved. 9 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:17,520 Problem solved. 10 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:18,520 Woo! 11 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,520 Now, for your listening pleasure, we are back with Diagnosing a Killer. 12 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:45,440 Welcome back to Diagnosing a Killer, episode 4. 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:46,440 I'm Kenna. 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:47,440 I'm Koelle. 15 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:48,440 We already said that. 16 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:49,440 No, we didn't. 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:50,440 We did. 18 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:51,440 When we first started? 19 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:52,440 Sure. 20 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:53,440 I was wrong. 21 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,800 I like how confident you were, though. 22 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:56,800 I was. 23 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,240 I think I was thinking about us recording before it cut out. 24 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:01,640 You're like, sure. 25 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:02,640 Sure. 26 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,640 Yeah, that's it. 27 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:04,640 Soopscash. 28 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:05,640 Soopscash. 29 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:06,640 What's that? 30 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:07,640 What's that on my computer? 31 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:08,640 What? 32 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,640 It sounded like a dog barking from very far away. 33 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:14,640 Yeah. 34 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:20,080 It was like, I was removing something from the dog on my Mac and it went like that. 35 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,640 Soopscash deleted it. 36 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:22,640 Proceed. 37 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:28,400 So I am going to talk about a case that I feel like a few people probably know, not 38 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,840 a few people, like literally it was national news. 39 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,240 So a lot of people know about this case. 40 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:40,760 Not everyone knows about it probably in the last few years, especially like, well, there's 41 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:45,760 always going to be documentaries coming out about it just because it was a really intriguing 42 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:51,040 case and it took the media by storm and everybody was involved in it. 43 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:59,000 But it's kind of been dwindling into obscurity, I would say, because this happened in the 44 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,920 early 2000s. 45 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,960 And we're going to talk about Scott Peterson. 46 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,200 I don't know if I know this. 47 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:07,600 You may or may not, I don't know. 48 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:08,840 I feel like I might know the crime. 49 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,040 I just might not know the name. 50 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:11,040 Yeah. 51 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,040 Yeah. 52 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,040 I think we'll see. 53 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,040 You might know the mug shot because it was hilarious. 54 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,040 Oh no. 55 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:23,320 So Scott Lee Peterson was born October 24th, 1972 to parents Lee Arthur Peterson and Jackie 56 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:24,320 Helen Latham. 57 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:25,320 Latham? 58 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:26,320 Latham? 59 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:27,320 Latham? 60 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:28,320 Latham? 61 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:29,320 Latham? 62 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:30,320 Latham. 63 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:36,960 Lee was a businessman who worked for a trucking company and then eventually he owned his own 64 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,560 crate packaging company. 65 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,480 Don't know what crate packaging means. 66 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,720 Sounds like he works with eggs. 67 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:45,720 Crate packaging. 68 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:46,720 Yeah. 69 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,640 Is it like, does he make pallets and then like packages those pallets? 70 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:52,640 Crate packaging. 71 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:53,640 Yeah. 72 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:54,640 That makes sense. 73 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:57,920 Or is it like those milk crates where you're putting milk in there? 74 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:01,960 Or is it like he works for a crate and packing company. 75 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:03,880 They make crates and they pack things. 76 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:04,880 Do they pack them? 77 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:05,880 But it's crate packaging. 78 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:06,880 I don't know. 79 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,360 Either way, if the world might never know. 80 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:16,400 So Jackie, Mama Peterson, she owned a small boutique in La Jolla called the Put-On. 81 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,880 She would regularly take little baby Scott to work with her. 82 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,240 She was incredibly doting. 83 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,640 She was a great mom. 84 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:27,960 She ran the shop while Scott was like in his crib and like playing and people would come 85 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,280 by and be like, look at a baby. 86 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,920 And she was a really, like I said, an incredibly doting mother. 87 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,360 She had to experience her own tragedy growing up. 88 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,960 Jackie's father was actually murdered when she was like two, two and a half. 89 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:41,960 Oh my God. 90 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,480 So, and it actually kind of tore the family apart. 91 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,680 She was pretty much orphaned at a certain age and she was actually mostly raised by 92 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,680 Catholic nuns. 93 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,040 So the story's out there. 94 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:59,000 If you want to Google it, she wasn't shy about it later in interviews much later. 95 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,560 So like I said, if you want to look that up, you can just for time sake, I didn't get 96 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:03,560 into it. 97 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:04,560 Yeah. 98 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:05,560 So she was super concentrated on Scott. 99 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,560 She even said that Scott didn't walk before he was one because she just carried him everywhere, 100 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:10,560 which I think is cute. 101 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:11,560 Oh, that's cute. 102 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:12,560 Carrying around your little baby. 103 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,600 Lee and Jackie actually had six kids from a previous marriage, like altogether. 104 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,400 They were actually joked as like being kind of like the Breedy Bunch. 105 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:26,920 But so that was, they were both previously married before that, before they had Scott. 106 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,640 So six kids including Scott or seven including Scott? 107 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,680 It was six before Scott. 108 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,080 Scott was like the seventh. 109 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:39,840 So he spent his childhood in a two bedroom apartment in La Jolla where he had shared 110 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:43,200 a bedroom with his half brother, John, who was Jackie's boy. 111 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,280 And he was six at the time. 112 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:45,280 John was. 113 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:49,560 Scott became playing golf at a super early age, like three. 114 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:50,800 I know it's really cute. 115 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,720 The Leeds have pretty much taught all of his kids, you know, especially the boys, like 116 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,480 everything about fishing, hunting, golfing, things like that. 117 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,240 And the way that Lee saw it is like if they concentrated on things that he also liked, 118 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,360 then the kids will want to spend more time with them, right? 119 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,360 Yeah, of course. 120 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:06,360 Which is really sweet. 121 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,920 So they really had like an idealic life. 122 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,000 The parents were super involved and it was kind of like a stereotypical suburban life. 123 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:18,840 It was Cub Scouts, Little League, Golf on the Weekends, Fishing Fan, Family Fishing Trips. 124 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:24,240 Scott was also described in school as like the kind of kid to stay out of trouble. 125 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:29,400 As a boy, he was rarely in trouble and teachers also described him as quote quiet and polite. 126 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,360 So you don't really see that a lot in these cases. 127 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:36,400 You usually see like physical or like emotional abuse, like conflict or you know violence 128 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,240 and that doesn't seem to be the case at all. 129 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,240 No. 130 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:40,240 Here we go. 131 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:41,240 Not yet. 132 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,240 Here we go. 133 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:43,240 So why did I say that? 134 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,920 In elementary school, he was actually a crossing guard. 135 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:46,920 Oh, I know. 136 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,640 Oh my God, like the big ol' stop sign with the tiny little. 137 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:50,640 Yeah, exactly. 138 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:51,640 Oh my God. 139 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,000 So he was involved, the parents were involved and clearly he was trusted to be able to do 140 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,000 things like that. 141 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,560 You know, he was really involved in school. 142 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,480 I don't like how this is going. 143 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,040 Yeah, he was a standout achiever, like all throughout his school. 144 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,040 Yeah. 145 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:09,000 So as he grew, his love for golf grew and by age 14, which was 1986 at this point, he 146 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,840 could actually beat his father at golf. 147 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:12,640 Oh, I bet his father didn't like that. 148 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,840 He's like, well, he kind of liked it though. 149 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:20,560 What's kind of funny is that when Scott was younger, Lee had told him, if you ever beat 150 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,280 me in a game of golf, I'll buy you a Ferrari. 151 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:24,280 Hell yeah. 152 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:26,360 I probably would have tried to do that as well. 153 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,560 So he didn't get a Ferrari, I think he got like a, some type of a Chevy sedan. 154 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,320 But either way, like, you know, so yeah, he could beat it. 155 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,600 He could definitely beat his dad by age 14. 156 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,240 And so as soon as he was able to drive, his dad bought him a car, which is kind of cool. 157 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,120 It's like you're teaching your kid to work or something. 158 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,120 Of course. 159 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,120 Yeah. 160 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,120 Friendly competition never hurt anybody. 161 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,680 So in high school, Scott did odd jobs at the golf course. 162 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:48,680 Okay. 163 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,200 Totally going into that golf, like leaning into that golf. 164 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:56,680 So he actually played at his Catholic high school's golf team alongside the famous pro 165 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,040 golfer, Phil Mickelson. 166 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:00,040 Really? 167 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,040 They went to high school together. 168 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,040 Wow. 169 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,040 Yeah. 170 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,080 So by the end of high school, he was one of the top junior golfers in San Diego. 171 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,080 Okay. 172 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,720 So really, like again, he's dedicated to this. 173 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,160 Doing the damn thing. 174 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,800 A friend said about Scott, he was more of a leader. 175 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,200 He was a strong minded person and he was really confident in whatever he was doing. 176 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:23,720 So Scott graduated from the University of San Diego High School in 1990 and through 177 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,440 a partial golf scholarship, Scott was actually accepted at Arizona State University. 178 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:29,440 Wow. 179 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,560 So it was around that time that Scott's father would actually state to his son, he was almost 180 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:34,800 like Mr. Perfect. 181 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:41,440 He's on this really great path, career wise, school wise, like he's going to do stuff. 182 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,440 That's not good. 183 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,240 You're not supposed to tell your kid that they're perfect because then they won't ever 184 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,480 try to be better than they are because I'm perfect the way I am, so why am I going to 185 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:49,480 try and start a career? 186 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:50,480 Why am I going to change? 187 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,680 So professional golfer Phil Mickelson was Scott's high schoolmate, but he also attended 188 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,360 classes on a scholarship at ASU as well. 189 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:59,360 Okay. 190 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:00,360 So they went to the same college. 191 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:06,600 Lee, Scott's dad later testified that it was a considerable amount of competition that 192 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,600 Mickelson presented while they were at Arizona State. 193 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:09,600 Yeah, of course. 194 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:10,600 Why wouldn't he? 195 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:11,600 Because this guy's like amazing, right? 196 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:12,600 Yeah, he is really good. 197 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,960 I think he won last year. 198 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,400 What is it, the open or whatever? 199 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,960 The golf, TGA golf tour or whatever. 200 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:20,960 I think he won. 201 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,880 But again, Phil Mickelson being right there next to Scott, it really discouraged him. 202 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:26,880 Really? 203 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:27,880 Yeah, Scott. 204 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,400 You think he'd light a fire under him? 205 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,480 You would think, but I'm not going to be as good as that guy. 206 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,280 So why even try? 207 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:35,280 It's not like what you said. 208 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:36,280 It's literally the mindset. 209 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,000 If you tell somebody they're perfect, they're not going to try to be better. 210 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,040 That's really bad to tell your kid things like that. 211 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,480 So one instance, Scott had actually gone out with a friend named Chris, who was a fellow 212 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,480 golfer. 213 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,920 And at the time, Chris was the top junior golfer in the country. 214 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:52,920 Wow. 215 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:53,920 Yeah, huge, right? 216 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:54,920 It was a seal. 217 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:55,920 Yeah. 218 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,320 So they actually stayed out all night. 219 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,760 They were partying and whatnot, hanging out with girls. 220 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,440 But by the next morning, they were completely hungover. 221 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,200 And they had a competition the next day. 222 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,800 And so this compromised their position in the competition. 223 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,800 It sounds like me at high school. 224 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,280 And I think about that and I'm like, I'll finish the rest of this and then I'll go back 225 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,080 to what I'm about to say. 226 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,880 So Chris's dad, Chip, was really upset by this. 227 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,520 And he labeled Scott as a really bad influence on his son and his son's future career. 228 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,880 So this guy made such a stink complaining to the golf club that the golf club actually 229 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,280 kicked him off the team. 230 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:32,280 Oh my God. 231 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:33,280 No. 232 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,200 It's like your son has free will. 233 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,280 He took it and forced those drinks down his throat. 234 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:39,280 Right. 235 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,800 And I'm thinking about this as like, because we all know that things are going to get dubious. 236 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:44,800 Right? 237 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:45,800 Yeah. 238 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:51,040 Do you think that maybe Scott was jealous that Chris was a top golfer and he was like, 239 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,840 no, bro, let's go out, let's party, let's drink, let's whatever. 240 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,320 Even if he was though, again, this guy, Chris, has free will. 241 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,240 No one, it's like, it reminds me of that movie, 21 and Over. 242 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,880 Have you seen that movie where it's like Skyler Aston, who's like beautiful. 243 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,000 And then Miles Teller. 244 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,600 I have no idea who these people are. 245 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:13,560 So Skyler Aston and Miles Teller are like the two main characters and then they go visit, 246 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:14,720 like they're all like a trio. 247 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,040 They visit their friend, I don't know the actor's name. 248 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,480 They visit him and he's like, you know, he has like a really important interview the 249 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:25,560 next morning and they convince him to go out like the night before and his dad keeps coming 250 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:26,560 in. 251 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:30,080 He's like, all right, remember, I'm picking you up at 6am and the guy's like, oh, it's 252 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,080 okay. 253 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,080 I'll just go for one drink. 254 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,080 And then he's like, wow. 255 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,080 He gets like really crazy. 256 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,080 And the dad like blames his friend. 257 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,080 There you go. 258 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,080 Same thing. 259 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,080 No, that's BS though. 260 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,960 I don't freaking, like no one forced alcohol down this guy's throat. 261 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,560 No, I mean they are in college and like, I don't know. 262 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:49,000 I'm just saying, okay, I'm getting mad, sure, but getting him kicked off the team, like 263 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,160 that's a little extreme. 264 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,160 It's excessive. 265 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,640 Sorry, I went on for like this whole time. 266 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,600 But apparently like Scott stopped caring about it anyways, potentially right. 267 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,080 So anyways, he was kicked off of the team for, they cited him for inappropriate conduct. 268 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:02,080 Oh my God, whatever. 269 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:03,840 He's a fucking college student. 270 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,040 I know. 271 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,600 So after Scott was kicked off of the team, he actually dropped out of the university. 272 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:09,600 Yeah, so sad. 273 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:15,800 So Scott eventually transferred to Cuesta College in San Luis Obispo. 274 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,520 Then after that he transferred to California Polytechnic State University. 275 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,040 So what they used to say, Cal Poly is what they call it. 276 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:24,040 Cal Poly. 277 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,040 I feel like that. 278 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,360 So although he initially majored in international business, he actually changed his major to 279 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,880 agricultural business. 280 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:37,200 And his professors said that he was a model student, one even quoted, was quoted in saying, 281 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,200 I wouldn't mind having an entire classroom full of Scott Peterson's. 282 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:41,200 Oh, that's a great compliment. 283 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:42,200 I know, that's a great compliment. 284 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,440 I'd love for someone to say that about me. 285 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:51,240 So this was in 1994 and while at Cal Poly, Scott worked at a restaurant in Morro Bay 286 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,440 called the Pacific Cafe. 287 00:11:53,440 --> 00:12:00,760 And one of his coworkers would receive visits from a friend named Lacey Rocha. 288 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:07,000 So Lacey Denise Rocha was actually born May 4th, 1975 to parents Sharon and Dennis Rocha. 289 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,400 Her parents were high school sweethearts and they owned a dairy farm on a really large 290 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,200 property east of Escalon, California. 291 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,200 Love that for them. 292 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:15,200 I know. 293 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,200 I do. 294 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,200 I do. 295 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:18,200 Dairy farm is amazing. 296 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,800 Well, pork cows. 297 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,480 Lacey was named after a girlfriend of Sharon's in high school who she thought was really, 298 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,800 really pretty, which is like another really sweet compliment. 299 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,000 Yeah, I think that's how Cameron was named, I think. 300 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,000 Really? 301 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,000 Yeah, and whose daughter was named Cameron. 302 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,000 Yeah. 303 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,240 And she was like, oh my God, I love that name. 304 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,160 And then she used it like way later on. 305 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,440 A guy friend of mine used to date this girl, I won't say her name, but I loved her name 306 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,520 so much. 307 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,080 And then he was completely like clobbered by this girl. 308 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,280 And I was like, can't name my baby that. 309 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:47,280 Yeah, that's awful. 310 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,720 Because then every time I would just say. 311 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,160 So Lacey had one older brother and his name was Brent. 312 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,320 He was about four years older than her. 313 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,640 And Brent, Lacey loved growing up on a farm and she started pulling her weight around 314 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,200 the farm at a really early age. 315 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,720 Yeah, that's usually how it works out. 316 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,480 It's like a lot of people like that have kids just so they have extra hands. 317 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,320 Yeah, I'm not saying just so, but you know. 318 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:08,320 No, but yeah, of course. 319 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,960 As soon as they can walk, they're holding shit. 320 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,560 But her passion would be in gardening. 321 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:17,760 She loved to garden and she loved gardening with her mother especially and was absolutely 322 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,160 enamored by making things grow. 323 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,160 Oh my God. 324 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:22,160 And she had a super green thumb. 325 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:23,160 I wish I had one. 326 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,160 I do. 327 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,160 I have a black thumb, I think. 328 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:26,160 I see. 329 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,680 So yeah, plants were like a huge passion of Lacey's. 330 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:37,840 So I say all that, but like with her growing up on a farm, but she, her parents divorced 331 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,160 when she was two and a half. 332 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,160 Okay. 333 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,080 So they were little, but they would go to the farm every weekend and that's when they 334 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,800 would get all that exposure to gardening and helping around the dairy farm. 335 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,720 So yeah, once the parents divorced, Sharon actually moved the kiddos to Modesto. 336 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,640 And so they pretty much grew up there. 337 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,640 But again, they would regularly go back to the farm on the weekends to see their dad 338 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,120 and be with nature. 339 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,120 So Ron Gransky is actually Sharon's second husband. 340 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:06,560 And he pretty much raised Lacey and Brent along with Sharon since Lacey was two, two 341 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:07,560 and a half. 342 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:11,360 So Dennis also remarries and through this marriage he gains a stepson. 343 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:16,040 So his wife was also previously married and then they had one more daughter and her name 344 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,540 was Amy. 345 00:14:17,540 --> 00:14:25,040 So she's got, Lacey's got her older brother, Brett, a semi kind of same age step brother 346 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,520 and then a baby sister, Amy. 347 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:29,520 Blended families for sure. 348 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:30,520 Yeah, for sure. 349 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,160 But by all accounts, it seems like this family dynamic really worked. 350 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,840 They were great co-parents. 351 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:40,840 Lacey was always smiling and bubbly, talkative and usually the center of attention. 352 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,880 Lacey was a cheerleader in high school at Thomas Downey High School. 353 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:50,800 And then after graduation, she attended Hal Polly, the state university where she majored 354 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,640 in ornamental horticulture. 355 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,960 So are they, her and Scott are like about the same age? 356 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,480 They're three years apart. 357 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,640 She's 75, 1975, he's 1972. 358 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:02,640 So three years. 359 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,760 While at Polly Tech, Lacey would sometimes visit a friend who worked at a restaurant 360 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:10,760 in Morro Bay called the Pacific Cafe where we all know Scott Peterson works. 361 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,400 That reminds me of what is it in finding an emo or something. 362 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,000 They say like Morro Bay, California. 363 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,920 Like they talk about, maybe it's not Morro Bay, maybe I don't know, whatever. 364 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,560 I thought, because I thought, I wasn't finding Dory. 365 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:23,560 Yeah. 366 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,320 I thought it was the Joel of Morro Bay, California. 367 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:26,320 That's what he says. 368 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:31,800 Yeah, I was like, I thought you said finding an emo at first. 369 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,680 I was like, that was in Australia. 370 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,680 Yeah, you're right. 371 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,920 So Lacey was actually the one to kind of break the ice. 372 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:45,360 She left her number for Scott the first time that Scott served her at this restaurant. 373 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,600 So she told her mother shortly after meeting Scott that she thought that she had met the 374 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,120 man that she was going to marry. 375 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,120 Wow. 376 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:52,120 I know. 377 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:53,120 I know. 378 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,120 I know. 379 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,120 So sweet. 380 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,680 Scott eventually called Lacey and they set their very first date, which was to go deep 381 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:00,680 sea fishing. 382 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:01,680 Okay. 383 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:02,680 How freaking cool. 384 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:03,680 I would love that. 385 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:04,680 Oh my gosh. 386 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,160 It would be really cool if Lacey didn't get terribly seasick the entire time. 387 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,160 Okay. 388 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,760 Well, that would have been awesome to me. 389 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:17,320 So it was actually kind of sweet because I feel like it just strengthened their relationship 390 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:18,320 anyways. 391 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,000 So this didn't end the relationship. 392 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,880 In fact, it grew into a very serious one. 393 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,600 I mean, if you can get sick in front of somebody, you can pretty much do anything. 394 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:25,600 That's so sweet. 395 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,320 God, what episode was that? 396 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:28,320 Was it the Bachelor? 397 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,880 I think it was Nick's season when they went into that plane where they could do the zero 398 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:33,880 gravity. 399 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:34,880 Oh no. 400 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,400 And then I think it was Nick's season because I think it was Crystal. 401 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,800 I haven't seen Nick's season. 402 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,080 Brostow or whatever. 403 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,880 The one that she ended up getting with Sean. 404 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:50,080 Anyways, I think it was their date, but it was like they were in a plane and it was supposed 405 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,040 to be like zero gravity, so the plane just does this. 406 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,320 Oh my God, that's so nauseating. 407 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:59,360 Nobody can see what I'm doing, but it goes up and down very slightly so you actually 408 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,240 float. 409 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,720 And she got so sick, she threw up. 410 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,560 And I don't think it was Crystal now that I think about it. 411 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,520 Either way, she threw up. 412 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:15,120 But it was really sweet because you was holding her and they were floating, and then the plane 413 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:20,440 started to regulate and they just lowered back onto the floor of the plane while they're 414 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:21,440 holding each other. 415 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,160 It was so amazing. 416 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,520 Oh my God. 417 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:25,760 And he still kissed her. 418 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,680 Aw, it was really sweet. 419 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,720 So that's what I think of when I think about this first date. 420 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,480 So by all accounts, the couple seemed very happy together, and after two years of dating, 421 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,440 the couple actually moved in together. 422 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,080 And Lacey graduated in 1997 and the couple decided to marry. 423 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,960 So they were married at the Sycamore Mineral Springs Resort, which I looked at pictures, 424 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:46,960 it's actually really cute. 425 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:53,240 It's super rustic-y, but it's out in nature and the grass is super green and there's 426 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,880 just flowers everywhere. 427 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:55,880 It's really pretty. 428 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,080 Sounds like my kind of place. 429 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:01,400 Yeah, it looks really remote, quiet, peaceful, everything like that. 430 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,360 After they got married, Lacey went to work in Prudendale, which I didn't Google where 431 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:07,800 that was, sorry. 432 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,440 And Scott decided to go back to college and focus on business rather than golf. 433 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:12,840 So he had dropped out? 434 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:13,840 He had. 435 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:14,920 I'm sorry, I don't remember you saying that yet. 436 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:15,920 I did. 437 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,040 When after he got kicked out of the golf team. 438 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,000 So Scott decided to go back to college and focus on business rather than golf. 439 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:28,680 However, during this time, we know now that Scott was actually engaged in an affair at 440 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:29,680 this point. 441 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:30,680 Oh no. 442 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:31,680 Yeah. 443 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:32,680 With Phil Mickelson. 444 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:33,680 With Phil Mickelson. 445 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,960 He was so in love with Phil Mickelson, he ran off together. 446 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,560 I'm kidding, don't at me. 447 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,920 Never mind seeing that book in that movie. 448 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:46,040 I love you, Philip Morris, but it's I love you, Philip Mickelson. 449 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:53,400 So it is not like her name has never been released and it's not entirely, it hasn't 450 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,720 been entirely said how long this affair was or whatever. 451 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,840 I'm not sure who would know the details and it was absolutely unclear if Lacey knew about 452 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:02,840 it. 453 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,800 But it did happen between 97 and 98. 454 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,280 So Scott would then later go on to complete a bachelor's degree of science in June of 455 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:11,280 98. 456 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,000 I'm assuming after this the affair was no more. 457 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,760 It just again, it was just that brief moment in time. 458 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:22,680 So after they both graduated, Scott and Lacey decided to open up a sports bar and restaurant 459 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:23,680 called The Shack. 460 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,160 It's been totally different, right? 461 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,400 Although initially the business was really slow, they started to see an influx of people, 462 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:30,600 especially on the weekends. 463 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,120 And believe it or not, Scott's parents never invested in the bar and grill because they 464 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:35,120 just did not approve. 465 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:37,960 They did not think that it was going to make any money. 466 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,440 Which is kind of interesting because it would become something. 467 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,160 And up until now, it seems like the parents have been nothing but supportive. 468 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,160 Right, exactly. 469 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,160 Yeah. 470 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,880 That's what it was like shows how supportive they were. 471 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,520 Either way, on one account, Scott needed to replace an air vent in the restaurant and 472 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:59,120 since both of them couldn't find a technician that they could afford, Scott actually went 473 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:03,120 and got a certification course just to be able to do it on his own. 474 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:05,720 So he was super dedicated to the structure. 475 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,720 It's not like he was trying to slack. 476 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,960 And that's why I kind of appreciate the fact that they didn't invest in it. 477 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,520 Because if they didn't believe in it and they didn't want to support it, well then 478 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:15,920 he doesn't owe any money back, right? 479 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,120 Yeah, and it was more rewarding to know that you did it on your own. 480 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:19,200 That you did it on your own. 481 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,600 And I think he really loved that. 482 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,960 So eventually this dedication was completely worth it because the business did begin to 483 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:24,960 boom. 484 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:29,080 So much so that in 2000, the couple would sell the establishment and move closer to Modesta 485 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,720 which is Lacey's hometown. 486 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,680 So with the money that they made from selling the bar off, the couple actually bought their 487 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,920 three bedroom two bathroom house near La Loma Park. 488 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,840 Lacey became a substitute t-shirt and Scott went on to the fertilizer trade business, 489 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,960 which is kind of funny because you can say he was a dealer in bullshit. 490 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,400 I liked that. 491 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,080 Lacey was described as the perfect housewife. 492 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,080 She loved to cook and entertain company. 493 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:01,400 A couple planned on becoming pregnant and in mid-2002 it was announced that the couple 494 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,000 would be expecting. 495 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,920 So they would learn that they were having a boy and his name would be Connor. 496 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,640 So Lacey enrolled in prenatal yoga classes and together they attended LaMoz classes. 497 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,960 They decorated the nursery blue with a nautical theme. 498 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,480 So they seemed really excited for the babies. 499 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,160 Yeah and it seems like by all accounts their marriage is like flourishing and everything's 500 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,160 fine. 501 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,960 So tell me what happens that goes wrong. 502 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:30,280 On October 24th, 2002 at a trade convention in Fresno, Scott was working on behalf of 503 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,400 the company that he worked for and he met a woman named Sean. 504 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,160 That's his birthday, isn't it? 505 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,160 October 24th? 506 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,160 I thought. 507 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,160 His is October 24th? 508 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:46,440 You didn't remember him dropping out of school but you remembered his birthday. 509 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,480 Because that birthday is shared with someone that I'm very close with. 510 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,880 I don't want to say who because I don't want to put that information on your ears. 511 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,320 That's why I remembered it because I correlated it with something else. 512 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:56,600 Word association. 513 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:03,960 So he told her that he was single and that he was quote looking for someone. 514 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:04,960 Escalating quickly. 515 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,960 So again this is in Fresno, this is not in Modesto where this is where he went to this 516 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,040 convention and he had probably a little booth, right? 517 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,320 I also have a child on the way. 518 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,320 Yeah. 519 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:16,320 Nope, doesn't mention that. 520 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:22,080 He joked to Sean that he should put quote horny bastard on his name tag. 521 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,400 Okay, that pisses me off because you know that him and his wife are probably not getting 522 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,080 it in because she's pregnant and that fucking pisses me off. 523 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,080 That's gross, right? 524 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,080 He's like, I'm so horny. 525 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,520 Get the fuck, she's creating a life. 526 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,240 He thought it was funny and that it would help him meet women. 527 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,840 Oh, that's hilarious, Scott. 528 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,680 If I saw that I'd be like, you're a fucking pig. 529 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,280 Like you're a man pig. 530 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,160 That is so gross. 531 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:50,000 Every time I say pig I think I sound like Jesse Spano from Saved by the Bell. 532 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,680 She's like, okay, pig. 533 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:52,680 Pig. 534 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:53,840 You pig. 535 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,160 Gross. 536 00:22:55,160 --> 00:23:01,280 So it really, again, it doesn't seem like this is new to him. 537 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:06,920 If you think about it, the way that he's portraying this is like, oh, I'm lonely, I'm looking for 538 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:07,920 someone. 539 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,240 So he's been doing this. 540 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,600 I feel like he has. 541 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:16,040 I feel like this probably is, if he's not already fucking someone else, then he's probably 542 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,360 like flirting with people regularly. 543 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:20,840 I mean, I would not put it past him. 544 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:26,200 So Sean was already taken, but she was like, hey, I have a friend you might be interested 545 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,720 in or she might be interested in you. 546 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,000 Would you be willing to get, can I give her your number? 547 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,440 Her name is Amber Fry. 548 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,000 So wait, hold on, that name sounds really familiar. 549 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,600 Keep going. 550 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:45,400 So Sean gave Scott Amber's contact information and Scott waited about a month ish to decide 551 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,280 to call her on November 19th. 552 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,280 Okay. 553 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,800 So this was the 24th ish around there probably that weekend. 554 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:57,280 So about a month later, so he ended up meeting up with Amber the next day. 555 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,040 Like couldn't wait to meet her. 556 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:05,040 So Amber is actually a massage therapist and she's a single mom and she's living in Fresno 557 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,040 on her own. 558 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,880 So on their first date, which was a blind date because they hadn't seen a picture of each 559 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,760 other, they went to dinner and they flirted the whole night and they actually ended up 560 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,080 back at his hotel room and then would have sex. 561 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,080 Yeah. 562 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,080 Okay. 563 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,080 I'm sorry. 564 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,080 I might have misheard this. 565 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,360 He went back for another business trip or he's in his hometown and he's just staying 566 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:24,360 in a hotel. 567 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:25,360 I'm sorry. 568 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:26,360 Okay. 569 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:27,360 So Amber lives in Fresno. 570 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:28,360 He lives in Modesto. 571 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:29,360 Yeah. 572 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:31,360 So when they met up for dinner, it was in Fresno. 573 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:32,360 Okay. 574 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:33,360 I see. 575 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:35,520 So what did he tell us why if he was doing overnight in Fresno? 576 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,520 Like what the hell? 577 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:37,520 I have no idea. 578 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,520 Okay. 579 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,520 So theoretically in an hour and a half, he could say he's anywhere. 580 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,520 That's true. 581 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:50,560 And they did have a boat and so they had a dock area at Berkeley Marina. 582 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,800 And so I mean, it's feasible. 583 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,000 He could just be like, I'm going to go fishing. 584 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,000 At night or whatever. 585 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,000 At night. 586 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,000 At night. 587 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,160 So yeah, they went back to his hotel room and they did have sex. 588 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,740 She said at the time that this was occurring, she felt like it was just going to be a one-night 589 00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:05,740 stand kind of deal. 590 00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:06,740 Amber did? 591 00:25:06,740 --> 00:25:07,740 Yeah. 592 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:10,160 She was like, we're in a hotel room. 593 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,200 He didn't invite me to his house. 594 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,720 It's probably just a hookup, right? 595 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,280 Which is like, whatever, do you girl? 596 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,280 Which is fine. 597 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,280 Yeah. 598 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,120 I mean, again, I don't think that she felt shameful about it. 599 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:24,120 She was just like, it's just a one-night thing, like not a big deal. 600 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:29,680 But Scott was the one that eventually ended up continuing to contact her to her surprise. 601 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,800 So throughout the next month, Scott and Amber would hang out a lot. 602 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,240 He started going over to her place, would cook for her. 603 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,200 She remembered this one time that she thought it was really sweet that she had mentioned 604 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,880 in passing that she had never had a candy to apple before. 605 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,920 So he made her candy to apples. 606 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:51,200 Things like that being really nice and just being really sweet. 607 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,360 And it's kind of like, where's the poop? 608 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:57,360 That pisses me off though, because it's like, you could be doing all of this for your fucking 609 00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:58,640 pregnant wife. 610 00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:59,640 Yeah. 611 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,360 Surprised her with gifts regularly. 612 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:05,560 Again, she appreciated all this, but something just rubbed her the wrong way. 613 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,800 She's like, this guy has to be too good to be true. 614 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,720 Exactly, it's too perfect. 615 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,400 So Amber said that things were going pretty well, and she asked Scott to be her date for 616 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:19,680 an upcoming Christmas party during one of these nights that they were hanging out. 617 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:27,080 And she noticed that Scott began to get really uncomfortable and kind of like almost quiet 618 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,080 and kind of shut down. 619 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,000 Because he doesn't want to be seen in public with her in case he runs into somebody. 620 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,800 I mean, he's only an hour from home. 621 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:33,800 Yeah. 622 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,200 So Amber pushed the subject just a little bit more, and Scott said that he needed to 623 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,920 come clean about something. 624 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,200 Oh my God. 625 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,920 And that he wanted to tell Amber, but he didn't want it to affect their relationship. 626 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,120 That was just beginning. 627 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:49,960 Okay, when you start something like that, like you know that's gonna affect their relationship. 628 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,960 What's going on? 629 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:57,040 Scott told Amber that he was in fact married, but that he had lost his wife recently. 630 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,760 And this would be the first Christmas without her. 631 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,920 The first holiday he was experiencing without her. 632 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,360 Okay that is fucking far from the truth, but alright. 633 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:08,040 This is December 9th. 634 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:13,720 But not only that, so Amber pretty much said that she wasn't gonna push the subject. 635 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,360 She saw that he got really bothered by it. 636 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,160 And that's what didn't do out of his foot. 637 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,440 Right, well she didn't want to upset him further. 638 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,600 Yeah, she doesn't know any better. 639 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,600 She doesn't know any better. 640 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,160 And so all she did was console him since it was clearly whatever he was going through 641 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,480 was traumatic. 642 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,360 So Scott said not only with the things with his wife and that's what was going on, but 643 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:37,640 to kind of get his mind off of it, he was actually gonna go on a trip to Europe for 644 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,840 the holidays. 645 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,840 And it was to get away because he didn't want to experience a holiday without his wife. 646 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:49,600 And so he was like, I'm gonna go with a few friends and we're gonna go tour Europe during 647 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,040 the holidays so I'm not so lonely basically. 648 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,640 So he actually wasn't going to Europe. 649 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,920 He was just using that as an excuse to not see Amber throughout the holidays because 650 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:02,280 he spent time with his fucking wife and his unborn child speculating here. 651 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:09,280 But he did say when he got back from his European trip that he wanted to continue talking with 652 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,920 Amber towards improving the relationship or getting through the difficult time together 653 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,880 or whatever it was to continue that conversation at another date. 654 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:24,440 So on December 23rd, 2002, Lacey and Scott went to visit her sister Amy who regularly 655 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,080 cut Scott's hair, so this was Christmas Eve Eve. 656 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,040 So they were hanging around at the, I don't know, it didn't specify where they were, but 657 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,840 might have been Amy's house. 658 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,040 Either way, the family was talking about their plans for Christmas Eve the following day 659 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:44,200 and he had mentioned that he did have plans to go golfing for Christmas Eve. 660 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,920 So later in the evening, Lacey's mom Sharon called the house and had a brief conversation 661 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,320 with her daughter. 662 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,240 The next morning, the morning of the 24th, again, this is Christmas Eve, Scott said that 663 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,920 at about 9.30 a.m. he was leaving the house to go fishing in Brinkley Marina. 664 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:58,920 Okay. 665 00:28:58,920 --> 00:28:59,920 First it was golfing. 666 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:00,920 First it was Europe. 667 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:01,920 First it was Europe. 668 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,920 That's true. 669 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:03,920 Then it was golfing. 670 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:04,920 Now it's fishing. 671 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,920 Now it's fishing. 672 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:12,160 So it's about, I actually googled where Berkeley Marina, where the closest, what do you call 673 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,800 that, like a drop port? 674 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:19,080 Yeah, the closest port is there and it's literally 15, 20 minutes from their house. 675 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,080 It's really close. 676 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,240 They're pretty much almost on the water. 677 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,240 And when he left the house, he said that Lacey was watching a cooking show while baking 678 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,240 cookies, preparing to mop and then she was going to walk the dog. 679 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,240 Okay. 680 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,240 She's busy. 681 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,000 She's very busy on Christmas Eve. 682 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,040 She's very, very busy. 683 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,840 So later that morning at about 10.30 a.m., a neighbor named Karen. 684 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,360 I love that. 685 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,360 Karen. 686 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,360 Karen. 687 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,200 So the Peterson's dog Mackenzie was alone outside the home and returned to the Peterson's 688 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,720 backyard by Karen. 689 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,960 And was like, that dog not supposed to be out. 690 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,360 So she put him back in the backyard. 691 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,640 So another neighbor named Mike said that he saw Mackenzie again at 10.45 a.m. 692 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,640 Okay. 693 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,520 So this is another 15 minutes later and he was playing catch with his own dog outside 694 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:07,600 and he saw Mackenzie. 695 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,440 And so he also returned Mackenzie to the backyard. 696 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,440 Good neighbors. 697 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,080 Apparently this happened at least one or two other times. 698 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:20,440 That neighbors had seen the dog at different times and was returning the dog. 699 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,640 I mean, that's like seemingly like, if it's a close knit neighborhood, that seems normal 700 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,520 to me, but it also seems like I would be like, hey, like your dog got out, like just 701 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,360 so you know, like here he is or whatever. 702 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,240 Like I kind of want to like maybe knock on the door, like let them know instead of just 703 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,200 like taking it upon myself to enter their backyard. 704 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,920 Well, yeah, I mean, they're just putting the dog back in the gate. 705 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:49,440 So Scott claims later when he returned at home around 2.30 ish, maybe he had seen, he 706 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,040 had found Mackenzie in the backyard. 707 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:56,160 So Scott found Lacey's Range Rover in the driveway, but decided now would be a great 708 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,040 time to strip down and watch the clothes that he was wearing and take a shower. 709 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,040 Well he did just come home from fishing. 710 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,440 So he just like came home, didn't like say hi or anything like that. 711 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,200 I just immediately took a shower and Mackenzie was muddy apparently is what he described. 712 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,240 He was like, oh, Mackenzie is muddy. 713 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,880 The Range Rover is here, but Lacey's not. 714 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:14,880 Better take a shower. 715 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,400 Yeah, that's really odd. 716 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,400 A little weird. 717 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,600 So although Scott claims to be the first person to call police, there are accounts that find 718 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,480 this not to be true. 719 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:31,280 Scott seemingly concerned waited around until 5.15 to call his mother-in-law Sharon and say, 720 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,040 well, I don't know, she was gonna walk the dog this morning when I left at 9.30 is the 721 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,040 last time I saw her. 722 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,040 It's now almost 5.30. 723 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,560 Haven't seen my wife. 724 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:40,800 And I've been home for three hours. 725 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,280 I've been home for three hours. 726 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,880 She was gonna walk the dog with the dogs here. 727 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:44,880 The dog's here. 728 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,880 The Range Rover is in the driveway. 729 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,600 Super sus. 730 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,120 Immediately concerned, Lacey's parents were the ones that informed police. 731 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,120 She's seven and a half months pregnant. 732 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,120 Yeah, exactly. 733 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,120 By the way. 734 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,800 Yeah, she's due in February. 735 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,800 Okay. 736 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,880 So yeah, yeah, again, Ron was the first one to call police. 737 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,600 So when police arrived at the Peterson home, investigators would come to find Lacey's purse, 738 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:11,200 wallet, keys, and sunglasses shoved into the back of a closet. 739 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,000 What at the Peterson home? 740 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,480 Just shoved in the back of a closet. 741 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,680 Oh, so what was happening is that he was trying to make it look like all of her shit was gone. 742 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,840 So she must have it with her. 743 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:22,840 Exactly. 744 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,000 To throw it in the closet to try to not let everyone see. 745 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,000 Dummy. 746 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,440 Knowing, not even realizing that they're gonna fucking search his house. 747 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,840 Yeah, like the first place you would look would be the house. 748 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,840 Yeah. 749 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:33,840 Maybe she, I don't know if they have a basement. 750 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:34,840 Did she fall in the basement? 751 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:35,840 Yeah. 752 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,000 Did she, you know, crawl up in the attic for some reason? 753 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,000 Looked around the house. 754 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,000 They're gonna check in the closet. 755 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,000 They're gonna check everywhere. 756 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,000 What the hell? 757 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,000 Dummy. 758 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:48,640 So, one of this, on the kitchen counter, when police arrived, there was a phone book open 759 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,760 on defense attorney pages. 760 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,520 God damn it. 761 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,840 What a fucking idiot. 762 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,160 Like, what an idiot. 763 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,400 It's pretty cut and dry. 764 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,000 I mean, come on. 765 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,760 Like, clearly you're fucking trying to cover your tracks. 766 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:01,760 Oh, what are you doing? 767 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,760 Oh, I don't know. 768 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,760 I'm just reading the phone book. 769 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,760 I don't know. 770 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:05,760 Yeah. 771 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,320 And I just so happened to be on D today for defense attorneys. 772 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,880 I'm just reading these yellow pages. 773 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:10,880 Yeah. 774 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,160 The dining room table had actually been set for the Christmas feast the next day. 775 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,840 So which, I, it didn't denote whether or not that was done before Scott left, but it 776 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,000 seems like she was the one that said. 777 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,640 She did it after he left, right? 778 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,880 I mean, because she was gonna mop. 779 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,680 So I don't know. 780 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,040 So during all of this, Scott's demeanor was described as calm. 781 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,800 Modesto police detectives, Bueller and Bertini, they were the lead investigators in the case, 782 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,600 questioned Scott that evening. 783 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,040 Well, though Scott initially said that he spent the day golfing, he did say that he 784 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,520 had gone fishing at Berkeley Marina. 785 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,920 He even had a receipt for checking into the port anyways. 786 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,320 So he had to have gone down there sometime. 787 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:56,600 So at 2.15, he left a message for Lacy stating, Hey, beautiful, it's 2.15. 788 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,400 I'm leaving Berkeley. 789 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,400 It's 2.15. 790 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,840 Why the fuck would you say that ever? 791 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:05,840 Ever says that. 792 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:06,840 Hi. 793 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,960 I'm with you now at 7.36. 794 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,200 And also it's a voicemail. 795 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,680 There's a timestamp when it was left. 796 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:21,160 Well, maybe it might be the house phone, but still, yeah, even the answering machine would 797 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,160 say that. 798 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,840 That is so dumb. 799 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:24,840 What? 800 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:25,840 Sorry. 801 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:32,680 Scott stated that he went fishing about 90 miles from the couple's Modesto home. 802 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:33,680 There's my other. 803 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,480 This dude not know how far 90 miles is. 804 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,480 Literally. 805 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,480 I took it on the map and I clicked on their home and I went like seriously way up in a 806 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,480 North California. 807 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,200 90 miles is a long way. 808 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,200 Even by boat. 809 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,680 That's like two hours driving time. 810 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,400 He would have had to have gone. 811 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,360 If it was really 90 miles, he would have been out in the Pacific Ocean. 812 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,360 Yeah. 813 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,400 I looked because it's where Berkeley Marina is. 814 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,120 It's San Francisco Bay and then, I forget what that lake is called, but all the way 815 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,280 through up there, it's only six miles. 816 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,280 Yeah. 817 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,280 Like 90 miles is a long way. 818 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,280 The middle fucking ocean. 819 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,280 Yeah. 820 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,280 So this guy's a dummy. 821 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,280 Clearly. 822 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,280 Was he dumping her body out there? 823 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:21,120 So, detectives immediately launched a search, but they were surprised by Scott's behavior. 824 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,080 Bueller said that, quote, I suspected Scott when I first met him. 825 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:30,000 Didn't mean he did it, but it was a little, I was a little thrown off by his calm, cool 826 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,480 demeanor and lack of questioning. 827 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,960 Why didn't he ask me, will you call me back? 828 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:35,960 Can I have your card? 829 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,480 What are you guys doing now? 830 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,480 Yeah. 831 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,920 Like he's not very interested in trying to find out where his wife is. 832 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,920 Right. 833 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,800 Brecini described Scott's reaction as, quote, strange and a combination of polite and arrogant, 834 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,120 disaffected, distanced and an impatiently irritable. 835 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,120 Okay. 836 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,240 Like he's like, I don't know what you want from me. 837 00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:57,240 I don't know. 838 00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:58,240 Can you get this search over with? 839 00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:59,240 Like I'm fucking tired. 840 00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:00,480 Like shit like that. 841 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,480 Ew. 842 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,480 Yeah. 843 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,000 He just didn't seem like a man who was crushed or even greatly disturbed by his wife's disappearance 844 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,000 and possible death. 845 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,000 Yeah. 846 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,240 That's all one quote, by the way. 847 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,320 Investigators took Scott to the station to further question him about the events that 848 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,440 were leading up to Lacey's disappearance and about the relationship itself. 849 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,640 And during this time, Scott said that he had a wonderful relationship with no complications, 850 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,400 although the police were almost immediately suspicious of Scott. 851 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,400 Yeah. 852 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,680 Lacey's family didn't believe that Scott had anything to do with the disappearance of 853 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,120 Lacey at this point and Scott was able to go home after this interview. 854 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,920 Lacey was officially a missing person on Christmas Eve. 855 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,080 Oh my God. 856 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,320 So 60s after Christmas Eve, Amber was actually hanging again. 857 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,400 This is Amber Fry. 858 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,480 Amber was spending some time with a girlfriend one day and the girlfriend handed Amber a 859 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,040 copy of a newspaper. 860 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,040 Okay. 861 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,480 And the article contained information regarding a missing woman from Modesto and although 862 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,480 Scott's face wasn't printed on the newspaper, enough details were given in the article that 863 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,760 Amber now knows that this is her Scott Peterson from Modesto. 864 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,160 Oh my God, that's so scary. 865 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,000 Within a few days, Amber would approach police saying that she had potentially important 866 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,600 information towards the case. 867 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,000 Investigators sat down with Amber and gained some pretty good information at the beginning. 868 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,800 They sat down and talked for more than an hour or so. 869 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,400 Clearly she wasn't fabricating this, but she was seeing this guy. 870 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,480 So Amber agreed to cooperate with investigators and the investigators went down to a local 871 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,080 radio shack with her. 872 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,080 LOL. 873 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,080 That's amazing. 874 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,080 Yeah. 875 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,320 So they purchased a recording device that would attach to her cell phone so that they 876 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,920 could monitor any conversations that her and Scott were to have. 877 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:37,640 As they're literally standing outside of the radio shack and Scott calls and they had just 878 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,520 hooked up the recording device. 879 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,600 Oh my God, so they're going to get his ass. 880 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,880 So Amber was super nervous and she was shaking. 881 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:51,960 So the connection was super rickety and eventually they lost connection, quote unquote, which 882 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,840 totally feeds him because like story about him being in Europe, right? 883 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:57,840 How convenient. 884 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:58,840 Oh wait, I'm sorry. 885 00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,840 He called her, right? 886 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:00,840 Yes. 887 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:01,840 Oh, I thought you said that he was in person for some reason. 888 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,960 No, no, he called her because again, she's in Fresno and he's supposed to be like out 889 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:07,960 in Europe backpacking. 890 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,840 And she's like, that's funny. 891 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,240 It's totally like 4.30 a.m. in Europe. 892 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:13,240 Why are you awake? 893 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:14,240 Whatever. 894 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:18,360 No, that's the thing is like he was trying to call her like at specific hours so that 895 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,520 it would seem like he was in Europe, right? 896 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,520 What a fucking idiot. 897 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,880 It's like he's totally thought this out. 898 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,080 So again, like I said, the call drops, which again plays into the story that he's in Europe. 899 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,920 So after the call, investigators told her like it's okay, just remember, just talk to 900 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:33,920 them like normal. 901 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:34,920 Yeah. 902 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:35,920 And we don't have anything on this guy. 903 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:36,920 It's just suspicious. 904 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,760 Dude, I would be shitting myself. 905 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,120 It's just suspicious, but they have no real evidence that he did anything to his life. 906 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,880 But if there's any chance that he knows where she is alive, then they want that information 907 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:48,880 too, right? 908 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:49,880 Of course. 909 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,240 And they convinced Amber like it's going to be some time, so just relax. 910 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:55,240 It's okay. 911 00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:59,840 So I feel like there's a giant twist coming and I'm really nervous. 912 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,680 So again, they take their time listening. 913 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,800 And anyways, so later that night, that same night, Scott calls again. 914 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,640 He starts to tell Amber about his current location, which is quote, just outside of Normandy. 915 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:11,640 Oh my God. 916 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,440 But that he'll quote, and it's 2.15. 917 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:20,040 But he'll quote, be in Paris tomorrow for New Year's and hopefully the phones will be 918 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,040 better than. 919 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,000 So like meaning that again, like it's totally playing into his like, oh, there's such a 920 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,000 bad connection. 921 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,160 Does she so she knows he's not in Europe. 922 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,160 Right. 923 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,280 And he thinks but he doesn't know that she knows and that he's totally like my wife's 924 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,280 missing and like whatever. 925 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,800 Does she know that she knows he's married and stuff or nothing? 926 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:46,280 Like she she remember he said that he had quote lost his wife and this is going to be 927 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,280 the first Christmas out. 928 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,280 Yeah, exactly. 929 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,240 So she doesn't know that she knows that his wife is actually very much well, maybe not 930 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:54,080 alive, but he was she was alive recently. 931 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,400 Now she knows because he said that on the 9th of December and she didn't go missing until 932 00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,400 Christmas. 933 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,400 Yes. 934 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,000 And but he doesn't know that she knows all this information. 935 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,280 He's trying to just play it up like he's still having this like relationship with her 936 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,880 and what was me my wife and like yeah exactly the fact that the wife had probably already 937 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:15,480 died well had died at some point and that he's in Europe to like escape the holidays 938 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,480 without his wife. 939 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,480 Yeah. 940 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,480 And so she knows now. 941 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,000 Oh, your wife just went missing and you're a fucking freak. 942 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,000 Yeah. 943 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,000 Yeah, literally. 944 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,000 So knowing full well, he's a Modesto, right? 945 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,720 So the next day this is Christmas or I'm sorry, New Year's Eve, right? 946 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:32,120 So this is the 31st. 947 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,800 Scott calls Amber to tell her all about his amazing New Year's experience in Paris, 948 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,800 right? 949 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,200 And he claims that he was under the Eiffel Tower and there were crazy fireworks going 950 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:48,320 off and that he and his two friends are now at a bar for the rest of the New Year's celebration. 951 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,800 He even fabricates his two friends. 952 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,320 Not a fucking joke, right? 953 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,320 Francois. 954 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,320 And Pascuali. 955 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:57,320 Like Pascuali. 956 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,320 Francois. 957 00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,320 Yeah. 958 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,320 And Francois and Pascuali. 959 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,320 Yeah. 960 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,320 And Francois and Pascuali. 961 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,320 Yeah. 962 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:04,320 And Francois and Pascuali. 963 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,320 Yeah. 964 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,680 And Francois and Pascuali, right? 965 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:09,680 So they're French and Spanish. 966 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,840 He's like, oh, my friend Pascual came up from Spain. 967 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,360 Now it's me and Francois at the bar. 968 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,360 That is so funny. 969 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,360 Like he's like what? 970 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,880 He gets on the phone and he's like, wee wee, it's Francois. 971 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:20,880 Yeah. 972 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:21,880 He's like, oh, it's me. 973 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:22,880 It's Pascuali. 974 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,040 He even puts his finger over his face like he has a mustache, but he doesn't because 975 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,400 he can't even, he can't see her. 976 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,000 He can only hear her. 977 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,000 Wee wee. 978 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,480 So of course, like, but okay. 979 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,800 So on the other side of what's interesting about the recording is on the other side, 980 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,120 you hear a bunch of people. 981 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,040 So you hear a bunch of people talking and it sounds like he's in a really loud atmosphere, 982 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,040 right? 983 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,640 Maybe he was in a bar just in Medesco. 984 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,640 He was in a really loud, Medesto. 985 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,080 You would think so. 986 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,920 But he was actually at Lacy's Candlelight Vigil. 987 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,480 No, he was not. 988 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,640 Oh, that is so messed up. 989 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,120 So sick. 990 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:08,920 He was at his wife's Candlelight Vigil while he was on the phone with Amber Fry saying 991 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:16,160 that he was in Paris out of bar when everybody there is there to mourn and raise awareness 992 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:21,040 because she's still missing it this way and raise awareness for his wife who is seven 993 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,040 months pregnant. 994 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,080 Oh my God, what a freaking asshole. 995 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,080 Asshole. 996 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,440 So continuing on to the new year on January 5th, divers began searching the Berkeley 997 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,800 Marina for any signs of Lacy or Scott dumping evidence. 998 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,960 So since that's where he said that he was last at, and again, I mentioned earlier that 999 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,800 he does have a receipt from Marina, so he definitely went there that day. 1000 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,480 So however, their search was actually called off a few days later because they just really 1001 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:46,740 didn't find any evidence. 1002 00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:51,400 They had a few suspicions of certain things being found certain places with sonar, but 1003 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,400 they turned out to be nothing. 1004 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,680 So Sharon, Lacy's mom, actually said that she didn't believe, first of all, she didn't 1005 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,280 believe that Scott did anything wrong, and second of all, she just didn't think that 1006 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,280 Lacy was there. 1007 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,680 She just didn't feel like Lacy would be there. 1008 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,960 So with all that, again, like I said, they called off the search in the Marina. 1009 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,720 So the next day on a phone call, Amber had pushed the issue of Lacy's disappearance towards 1010 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:15,720 Scott. 1011 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:17,800 So this would be the 6th of January. 1012 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,320 Wait, so he knows that Amber knows now? 1013 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,760 During this phone call, this phone call that they're about to have, Amber is going to say, 1014 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:27,760 I know who you are. 1015 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:28,760 I know. 1016 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,400 Like a girlfriend said something really weird to me about a missing woman and mentioned 1017 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,880 to Scott Peterson, is that you? 1018 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:41,120 And Scott did confess to Amber that his wife had gone missing on Christmas Eve and that 1019 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,400 he was not in Europe. 1020 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,120 Oh my God, what the hell? 1021 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,120 Such a dummy. 1022 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,320 He's just like, yeah, I've been lying to you this whole time. 1023 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,320 You got me. 1024 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:58,040 So he did say, she was like, Scott, you told me you lost your wife. 1025 00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,840 And that was before she even went missing. 1026 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:00,840 Yeah, like that's really nice. 1027 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,120 And he said, well, there's different types of loss, Amber. 1028 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,120 Okay. 1029 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,160 Like it was like emotional loss? 1030 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,760 Like that's pretty cut and dry. 1031 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,400 You're getting mad at me because you, okay. 1032 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,400 No. 1033 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,520 So that was the 6th of January. 1034 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,120 So I'm going to fast forward just a little bit more. 1035 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:24,520 On January 24th, the Rochas had actually denounced their support of Scott after the information 1036 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,520 about Amber was revealed because the investigators kept that really hush-hush that they were 1037 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,360 doing this thing with Amber because they didn't want her to be compromised or harassed or 1038 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,360 anything. 1039 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:34,360 Yeah, or killed. 1040 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,360 Or yeah, exactly. 1041 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,120 Again, the family was told about Amber. 1042 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,120 There's actually a very public press release that Amber does. 1043 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:47,840 But before this press release, the family was pulled aside before she was going to be broadcast 1044 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:48,840 on national television. 1045 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:49,840 Well, that's really respectful. 1046 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,400 And they pulled Sharon and Ron aside and they said, look, this is the information that we've 1047 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,560 gathered over this time. 1048 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,800 They said that their final straw besides the photographs of the two of them together because 1049 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,960 she thought they were in a relationship, but she was taking photographs of them and their 1050 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,800 Christmas outfits and the shit together. 1051 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:13,520 So again, besides the photographs, they were more upset that he had stated 14 days before 1052 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,760 Lacey went missing, but he in fact lost his life. 1053 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,600 And that's when they were like, OK, this guy, we don't believe he didn't do anything 1054 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:21,600 anymore. 1055 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:22,600 Probably cause, yeah. 1056 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:28,280 So content warning, on April 13, 2003, a couple walking their dog found a decomposing body 1057 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:34,280 of a late-term fetus in a marshy area of the San Francisco Bay Shore in Richmond Point, 1058 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,160 Isabelle Regional Shoreline Park, which is our lot of words. 1059 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,760 And this is north of the Brinkley Marina. 1060 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,080 So they found just the fetus? 1061 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,800 So they found a fetus of a late-term male. 1062 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,080 This makes me think that either, OK, go. 1063 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:57,920 One day later, the decomposing torso of a woman was found one mile away from the fetus. 1064 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,160 So the woman was wearing a beige pants and a maternity bra. 1065 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:07,160 The woman was unrecognizable given the state of decomposition and mutilation that had been 1066 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,480 done to her body. 1067 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,360 Again, severe content warning. 1068 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:18,280 She was missing her head, arms, legs, and all of her internal organs were missing except 1069 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,240 for her female anatomy. 1070 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:24,200 Like her uterus and everything was still intact. 1071 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,200 DNA tests would confirm that these bodies are that of Lacey and Connor. 1072 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:35,000 The Emmy later released the autopsy report stating that Connor's skin was not decomposed, 1073 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:40,680 although that the right side of his body was subject to trauma, possibly wildlife. 1074 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,320 But other than that, he was intact. 1075 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:48,560 So the Pleasant and umbilical cord had not been found, but they said it probably fell 1076 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:53,560 off at some point, just because it's really thin and it's pliable. 1077 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,600 So an expected date of death was not confirmed for Lacey. 1078 00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:01,320 Again, her female organs were intact and she had suffered two cracked ribs, although this 1079 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:06,120 is not determined of whether or not this happened before or after her death. 1080 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:11,480 It was concluded that Connor had been protected by Lacey's intact female organs, whether 1081 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:17,640 or not Connor was alive when he was expelled by Lacey's dying or dead body was unclear. 1082 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:25,080 Although meconium, which is a, meconium was found in Connor's bowels, which is the first 1083 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,640 stool that a baby has. 1084 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,920 So when the baby processes that first stool, it's because it's through the umbilical cord 1085 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,240 and it's all the dead red blood cells, so it looks like blood were black. 1086 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,480 So that was in his body. 1087 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,280 So he wasn't like cut out of her body. 1088 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,800 He was just pretty much delivered when she was after she had died. 1089 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:46,800 Yeah. 1090 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:47,800 So, which is awful. 1091 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,720 So again, the indication that that was found inside of his body again, they, they expel 1092 00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:56,240 that within like an hour of them being born. 1093 00:47:56,240 --> 00:48:02,360 So if he had been born alive, that probably wouldn't be there is what I'm saying. 1094 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,560 So the fact that it was, yeah. 1095 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,960 He had passed before he was expelled. 1096 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,920 Before he, yeah, could defecate pretty much. 1097 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,220 So awful. 1098 00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:14,640 So the day that the DNA was confirmed to be Lacey and Connor's police sought to arrest 1099 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,080 Scott Peterson, they found him on a La Jolla golf course, which is right on the border 1100 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,080 of Mexico. 1101 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,400 Oh, what, I wonder what his plan was. 1102 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,080 He was claiming to meet his dad and his brother on this golf course, but he was waiting for 1103 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,680 them. 1104 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:34,080 In his car, investigators found miscellaneous items, including nearly $15,000 in cash, 12 1105 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,580 Viagra tablets. 1106 00:48:35,580 --> 00:48:36,580 What the fuck? 1107 00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:42,720 Survival gear, camping equipment, several changes of clothes, four cell phones, and his 1108 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:44,120 brother's driver's license. 1109 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,320 So he was planning on fleeing to like the mountains of Mexico. 1110 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,600 In addition to, this is in addition to his own, is the brother's driver's license. 1111 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,800 His naturally dark brown hair had been dyed bright blonde. 1112 00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,440 That's why I said that the mugshot is hilarious because it just looks like a freak. 1113 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,960 So on April 21st, 2003, Scott was remained in Stanislaus County Superior Court before 1114 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,200 judge Nancy Ashley. 1115 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,800 He was charged with two family accounts of murder with premeditation and special circumstances. 1116 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,160 So what was the evidence that they've now dimmed on? 1117 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,160 Did they have physical evidence at the scene? 1118 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,800 His trial began on June 1st, 2004. 1119 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,360 Mark Garagos was Scott's defense attorney, and he claimed that although Mr. Peterson 1120 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:30,840 was a cad, quote, it hardly made him a murderer. 1121 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,360 The defense focused on the theory that someone else had kidnapped and killed Lazy, potentially 1122 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,560 for monetary gain. 1123 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,000 So there were reports of a woman stealing checks from mailboxes around the neighborhood 1124 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,440 at this time. 1125 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,520 So they were thinking that maybe they were going to kidnap her or keep her. 1126 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,600 Maybe they thought it would be too much to do that, so they just killed her anyways. 1127 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,200 A single hair was the only piece of forensic evidence that was identified throughout the 1128 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,200 entire trial. 1129 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,920 Forensic evidence. 1130 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,240 It was a hair that matched through DNA comparison to the hair from Lazy's hairbrush, and it 1131 00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:05,520 was stuck to pliers found on Peterson's boat. 1132 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,320 All other evidence was circumstantial. 1133 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:13,280 Scott's changed appearance, a vehicle rented in his mother's name, several porno channels 1134 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,080 that he purchased the day after Lazy went missing. 1135 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,360 I guess they entered that into evidence. 1136 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,160 They said that it showed proof that he was determined to move on, like he didn't care. 1137 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,680 I mean, kind of, like he dyed his hair, he seems like he's trying to escape. 1138 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:27,680 Yeah. 1139 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,600 Well, I mean, the porn is what I was talking about. 1140 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,400 That it was evidence that he was moving on already. 1141 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,720 I mean, that's fucking gross. 1142 00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:39,440 He did talk of selling the house that him and Lazy shared, and he did talk about trading 1143 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,280 in Lazy's car for a new truck for himself. 1144 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:43,280 Okay. 1145 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,280 Yeah. 1146 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:50,400 So, on a while, she's a missing person, and he's like treating it like she's dead already. 1147 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,560 So on November 12th, 2004, Scott Peterson was convicted of first-degree murder for his 1148 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,160 wife's death and the second-degree murder for Connor's death. 1149 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:03,360 The penalty phase of the trial began on November 30th and concluded December 13th, when the 1150 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,160 jury rendered a sentence of death. 1151 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:12,520 On March 16th, Judge Delucci followed the jury's verdict, sentencing Peterson to death 1152 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:18,280 by lethal injection and ordering him to pay $10,000 towards the cost of Lazy's funeral. 1153 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:23,040 A judge called the murderer of Lazy cruel, uncaring, heartless, and callous. 1154 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:30,120 After 17 years on death row on August 24th, 2020, in a 7-0 decision, the Supreme Court 1155 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:35,080 of California upheld Peterson's conviction but overturned his decidence. 1156 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,520 This is after he had been applying for appeals on a new trial. 1157 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:45,960 On September 22nd, 2021, okay, this like, right, like yesterday, California's Superior 1158 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:52,000 Court Judge, Ann Christine Masullo, scheduled Peterson to be resentenced that, or this November, 1159 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,600 it says that November, but this November to life in prison without the possibility of 1160 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:57,600 parole. 1161 00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:58,600 Wow. 1162 00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:59,600 I know. 1163 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,760 We'll have to update on that whenever it does reach that time. 1164 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,720 We'll have to update when we find out. 1165 00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:05,720 Right. 1166 00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:10,280 And again, I just, I took that little snippet of information, especially the sentencing. 1167 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,400 I mean, I kind of shaped it up a little bit, but I did take it off a wiki and again, like 1168 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,800 I said, it hasn't updated anything else since then. 1169 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,440 So it was him. 1170 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,440 Yeah. 1171 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,120 I mean, honestly, I thought you were going to be, I thought you were going to be like 1172 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,120 plot twist. 1173 00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,400 Amber and him were feigning this whole thing and she actually knew the whole time and she 1174 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:27,400 took out. 1175 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:32,560 She's, she's read, read, she's written multiple books about her account because, and then 1176 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,520 she really goes into her and Scott's relationship, Amber. 1177 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:44,840 And it's really interesting, like this guy has like anti-personalities, sociopathic tendencies 1178 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,080 here and he's clearly a narcissist. 1179 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,080 Yeah. 1180 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,080 That's what I looked up to. 1181 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,080 That is so wild. 1182 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,880 That poor mom and that poor baby. 1183 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:52,880 I know. 1184 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:53,880 It's awful. 1185 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:54,880 It's my heart. 1186 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:55,880 It almost reminds me of Chris Watts. 1187 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:56,880 And yeah. 1188 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,440 And that's, yeah, that's kind of why I wanted to do it. 1189 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,680 It's, it's, yeah, it's really tragic, especially when you talk like with Chris Watts, same thing. 1190 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:03,680 Shanann was pregnant. 1191 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:04,680 Yeah. 1192 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:09,760 And then they had two babies and like, it's just, and I think that he probably has a lot 1193 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,680 of that Scott Peterson shit in him too. 1194 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:16,040 I can't even imagine like being married to somebody, starting a family with somebody 1195 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:21,240 and then them turning out to be that kind of piece of shit that Chris Peter, Chris Peterson 1196 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:25,520 and Chris Watts and Scott Peterson are. 1197 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,640 Like that is so, so awful. 1198 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,040 My heart really goes out to the families of the victims. 1199 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,040 Yeah. 1200 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:37,200 It's, it's really sad, especially for someone like Lacey who seemed to have like a pretty 1201 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,640 good life and a pretty good outlook on life. 1202 00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,800 And it seemed like she was a really sweet person. 1203 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,160 And I know she was excited to have this baby and just, yeah. 1204 00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,160 Yeah. 1205 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,640 It's a nursery set up and everything. 1206 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,320 It's a first time part. 1207 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,320 And poor Amber. 1208 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,320 I mean, she's just as much as a victim. 1209 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,320 Yeah. 1210 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:54,320 She's a single mom. 1211 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,680 Like she was definitely looking for someone, someone to have settled down with and have 1212 00:53:58,680 --> 00:53:59,680 a partnership with. 1213 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:00,680 Yeah. 1214 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:01,680 That's, that's really, really awful. 1215 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,360 And that sounds bad, but like you never know. 1216 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,480 Like you always, you're always taking a risk when you start a relationship with someone 1217 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,120 new and it's very scary. 1218 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,620 It's very awful. 1219 00:54:11,620 --> 00:54:17,200 So psychologists have actually speculated that Scott is some combination of a narcissist 1220 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:23,760 and they say sociopath, but we know that that's probably not the correct terminology. 1221 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:29,800 Sociopath meaning like socially having like some type of a disorder, like an anti-personality 1222 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:30,800 disorder. 1223 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,800 Lack of empathy, lack of emotion towards other people. 1224 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:33,800 Right. 1225 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:34,800 So here's some of the instances. 1226 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,880 If you want to take a trip down memory lane with me. 1227 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,640 Peterson told that his neighbors that he was playing golf on Christmas Eve when he was 1228 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,520 actually fishing, which we know, or fishing. 1229 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:44,520 Yeah. 1230 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,880 So clearly that's something that, oh, this is even though his fishing rod was not assembled 1231 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,040 and his lures were still in the packaging. 1232 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,040 Oh, cute. 1233 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,080 So you can easily tell like that's a lie. 1234 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,520 He's not ready. 1235 00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,760 Peterson began an affair with Amber Fry thinking that that wouldn't be an issue either. 1236 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:01,760 No one's going to find out. 1237 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:02,760 Right. 1238 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:03,760 No one's going to find that out. 1239 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:08,080 Again, tearfully confessing to her that he had lied to her saying that he was married 1240 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,840 when he wasn't or that his wife was dead when she was or wasn't. 1241 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,160 Manipulative as fuck. 1242 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:14,160 Yeah. 1243 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,360 The candlelight vigil that he was like literally giggling on the phone with Amber Fry while 1244 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:18,360 he was there. 1245 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:23,640 People saw him talking in the corner and then her family, like they had them up on this kind 1246 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:28,560 of like stage where they were talking about and Scott never went up and said anything. 1247 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,640 Like he just didn't give a shit. 1248 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:36,080 So signs of narcissistic personality disorder include a grandiose sense of self-importance, 1249 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,600 i.e. you exaggerate your achievement or your abilities. 1250 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,920 You have a preoccupation with the idea of gaining success, power, love and physical attractiveness, 1251 00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:49,680 a belief that you are special or in high status and can only be understood by similar people 1252 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:55,480 or should only associate with those specific people or institutions, a need for excessive 1253 00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:01,680 admiration, a sense of entitlement and expectation that others will simply just comply or give 1254 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:08,400 them favorable treatment, exploits other people for personal gain, you lack empathy for others, 1255 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:14,000 you envy others or believe that others envy you and you're arrogant. 1256 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,000 You're arrogant. 1257 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,760 You have arrogant behaviors and attitudes. 1258 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,960 And then signs of anti-personality disorder are repeatedly failing to follow social norms 1259 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:27,800 resulting in grounds for arrest potentially, engaging in deceitful actions such as lying, 1260 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:33,960 using aliases, not paying off debts, impulsivity and lack of planning ahead, irritability and 1261 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:39,240 aggressiveness that leads to physical altercations, recklessness or a lack of concern for the safety 1262 00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:44,440 of other people, chronic irresponsibility that leads to failure to maintain a job, finish 1263 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:49,160 school or keep financial commitments, and a lack of remorse for hurting other people. 1264 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:50,160 That's like all him. 1265 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:54,760 Yeah, every single one and I'm pretty sure you only need about two or three of those. 1266 00:56:54,760 --> 00:57:01,240 So that's two types of narcissistic personality disorder and anti-personality disorder, but 1267 00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:02,920 they can coincide. 1268 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,760 And when they coincide, it's these specific things. 1269 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,760 So in order for someone to fall into this category, they need to show several of the 1270 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,680 diagnostic criterias, this is kind of what we just talked about. 1271 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:18,520 So a sociopathic narcissist or an anti-personality disorder and narcissist personality disorder, 1272 00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:24,200 and those are combined, that person can be cold and callous, but will also seek the admiration 1273 00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,560 of others and will also believe that they deserve it. 1274 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:32,520 They will have a disdain for people and think that it's okay to exploit and dispose of 1275 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,120 people in whatever ways it helps them get ahead. 1276 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,720 Yeah, sounds about right. 1277 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:42,080 These kinds of people may be charismatic and charming, unreliable and controlling, selfish 1278 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:43,080 and dishonest. 1279 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:47,520 They both feel entitled and deny responsibility for their actions. 1280 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:53,800 They usually lack empathy and emotional responsiveness and an insight into their own personality disorders. 1281 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,200 So they think that they're just a highly successful person. 1282 00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:58,520 Why wouldn't people not love me? 1283 00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:03,240 Yeah, well that really, really shows what kind of a piece of shit that that guy is and 1284 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:07,840 we'll definitely update when we see anything about his case, any movement or anything. 1285 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:08,840 But thanks for sharing. 1286 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:09,840 I actually didn't know that case. 1287 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:10,840 You didn't? 1288 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,440 I did not and I'm glad that I do not glad, but interesting. 1289 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,600 Yeah, it was definitely something that I dived into when I heard about it. 1290 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,480 I was in my high school years. 1291 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,840 Like that was something that was definitely intriguing to me. 1292 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:27,920 Yeah, she was found in 2003, so I was definitely in like a sophomore. 1293 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,520 I mean, yeah. 1294 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,960 So it was definitely something that I remembered being really big news. 1295 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,520 Yeah, I mean even Nancy Grace was talking about it. 1296 00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,240 You know if Nancy Grace talks about it, then it's true. 1297 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,240 Yeah, exactly. 1298 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,640 Well, thanks for sharing. 1299 00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,280 I hope that you guys are enjoying our content. 1300 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:47,600 We're really enjoying researching these cases and giving insight into the diagnoses that 1301 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,000 these people have or may not have. 1302 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:55,280 And we're going to commit to making something for you guys to attach to within the next 1303 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,280 episode probably. 1304 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:57,280 Yeah, absolutely. 1305 00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,920 And yeah, just keep listening to us if you like what we're doing. 1306 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,200 We'll definitely again reach out when we find those lines of communication and we have them 1307 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:06,200 open. 1308 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,240 I did set up an Instagram for us, so that is going to be at diagnosing a killer. 1309 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