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Hello!

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He said it was the same dude.

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I'm Kenna.

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I'm Koelle.

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Welcome back to Diagnosing a Killer.

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Our third episode.

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Third episode.

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Excited.

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We're getting some info out there.

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Yeah, I know.

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So before we get started, I wanted to talk about really quickly the Gabby Petito case because that is something that's currently going on.

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People that don't know Gabby Petito was last seen on August 31st reported missing on September 11th.

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And she was last seen, it came out later with a body cam of a cop that had pulled her and her boyfriend over.

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They were very clearly arguing.

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She was very clearly upset.

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If I'm not mistaken, I think it was August 12th was the police video of them getting pulled over August 12th.

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She got missing on August 31st.

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The 24th, 25th was the last known communication, I think, or maybe even the 27th was the last time that she called her parents.

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So this police video was recorded before she was reported missing?

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I'm sorry, I was under the impression that she was missing.

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She was actually not reported missing until the 11th of September that he had been back in Florida laundry.

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Brian laundry?

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I don't know.

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That was a piece of shit tonight.

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Laundry.

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Only because it looks like landry's.

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But he was back in Florida September 1st.

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And returned to Florida with Gabby's van.

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And they had originally left New York on the 2nd of July.

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Wow.

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So they were planning on doing a four month cross country tour and the last that Gabby's parents had heard from her was actually in the location that they have neither confirmed nor denied that that's where the remains were found.

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And they came out yesterday saying that they had located a body in the area they were searching and if I'm not mistaken that the boyfriend is now unable to be contacted.

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He's been quote unquote missing for a few days now.

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He's been missing.

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Last anyone saw him was the 14th of September but his parents didn't notify police that they're unaware of where he's at since the 17th.

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I mean that's just a little suss.

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They waited three days before telling anybody that their son is quote unquote missing.

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And he was already a person of interest when that happened.

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It's not like they had cleared him and then all of a sudden he's gone.

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He was a person of interest and he leaves.

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That's or he can't be found.

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That seems a little suspect to me.

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So he had returned to I think it's Fort Lauderdale with her van that they had left New York in but returned to his parents house in Florida.

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With her van without her.

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And as far as I know he's never said anything to the police.

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The parents have not said anything to the police.

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They have a family lawyer that has advised them to just remain silent.

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The only thing that they have said is that their hearts go out to the potato family.

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That's pretty much it.

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And that they hope that Gabby is returned safely.

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Well unfortunately it's not looking good.

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And for him or of course for her and this is this is just our personal opinions.

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We have no idea what happened.

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But if anybody does have any information of course contact your local authorities or you know reach out because that's unfair.

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You know there's nobody should be ripped away from their parents like that.

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Parents shouldn't have to worry about where their child is.

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Of course.

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So anyways I just wanted to put that out there.

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Bring it up because it is something that is currently happening.

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So with that being said we are going to jump into this week's case.

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I decided to cover with my crunching papers.

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The person I decided to cover this week is Wong Chi-Yong.

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He is from China.

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He was originally from China.

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So there are a lot of names in here that I had to look up the pronunciations because I wanted to be accurate in the way that I was saying things.

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If I say anything wrong please correct me if you know if not I do apologize but I'm trying my best.

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Aren't we all?

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So anyways so Wong Chi-Yong was born on January 16th 1975.

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Capricorn.

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In Liaoning China there was actually no names of his parents that were found and it was actually an interesting thing that I noticed when I was going through the research that it's very hard to find names of any of his victims.

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Maybe there's like a few in there but there's not a lot of information about.

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I think mostly it was because all the information was translated from Chinese to English and a lot of it got lost in translation.

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I think also maybe their media laws are a little bit different than the US.

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So as far as victims go.

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And I think that so in the way that Americans kind of I don't want to say idolize but for lack of a better term idolize serial killers or you know really big criminals and they have a lot of social media coverage about it.

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I think that's if I'm not mistaken in China or Asian countries in general that's really found upon and they're like hell no we're not going to give this guy anymore attention that he deserves or that he needs so we're going to put this.

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I mean other than in the last I would say a few decades but they are like a collectivism type of a country not an individualism country so with them to focus on the individuals.

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Yes it's more like the greater good.

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I apologize for the movement of my papers.

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She does.

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She did it on purpose.

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I did this all on purpose.

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So his dad was by all accounts a raging alcoholic and gambling addict.

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So during Wong's childhood if his dad won gambling he would go home and drink to celebrate.

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But if he didn't win game.

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Hi daddy.

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We're recording our podcast.

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Hi dad.

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He just came in.

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Celebrity guest host dad.

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So if he didn't actually that's funny we're talking about his dad and dad walked in at the same time.

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If Wong's dad won his gambling that night he would go home and he would drink to celebrate.

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However if he didn't win gambling he would go home and mercilessly beat his wife and Wong.

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I think he was an only child which I mean I don't think that means that he needs to be beaten but apparently apparently that's how dad felt.

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So after a while of course the wife had enough of the abuse and she firmly filed for divorce.

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You know that's a feat you know and good for her for leaving.

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However she left Wong there with the dad so she didn't really give a shit about what happened to him.

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She just wanted yeah she just wanted out.

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Of course his dad continued to drink and gamble as usual and then he ultimately decided that he just didn't want to take care of Wong anymore.

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So he gave him to his grandparents to take care of and figure it out.

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You know here's my son.

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As you do.

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As one does.

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So when Wong turned 13 the grandparents also decided that they did not want to take care of him.

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So he's just being bounced around from people that are supposed to love him be his family and they're just like yeah.

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And he's how old?

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He is 13 at this time.

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So formidable years.

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Yeah seriously that's when a lot of your mental cognitive shit is being developed.

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And maturing.

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I mean this is what you're taught and the playbook that is given to you.

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You know as a young adult.

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You should leave that in there.

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I'm gonna leave that in there.

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This is Singapore coffee.

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It's called Pocca Vanilla Coffee.

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Sponsor us.

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Pocca sponsor us all the way from Singapore.

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So going back to when Wong turned 13 the grandparents again decided they did not want him around.

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So they sent him to school.

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Which I thought was a little weird because shouldn't he already be in school?

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But it was one of those things that might have gotten lost in translation.

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Maybe they took him out of school and sent him to work rather.

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Yeah I sent him to a specific school.

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So while in school his father had actually gotten arrested for his something to do with gambling and alcohol addiction.

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And his classmates got wind of the fact that his dad was in prison and they began making fun of him for it.

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So he's just getting all the shit turned at him.

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And I want to be very clear.

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Feel bad for the kid.

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Don't feel bad for the adult because he turns into a piece of shit.

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Because of this problem at school, Wong was forced to drop out because he was just being bullied and buried it all the time.

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When he left school his parents were noted as saying something along the lines of again lost in translation.

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But this is the quote it said, quote many people go to die.

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I don't know what that means but that's what the quote said.

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Many people go to die.

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Why not see you die?

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So what do you think that means?

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Because I didn't know.

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I just thought it was interesting to put and see your thoughts.

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Give me that second.

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Maybe they sent him to a school expecting him to not recover from it and come back and they were like why didn't you like fuck off when we sent you to school and die is like a loose term?

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Well in some cultures dying like okay so like in tarot cards the death card doesn't mean that you actually die or someone dies.

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It means the end of something and then a rebirth potentially.

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So I wonder if like people go die and maybe are created differently.

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So why not create you differently?

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Yeah it was just interesting.

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I didn't hear or didn't read anything else about that but I just thought that was interesting to put in.

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So after this conversation he's 15 at this time.

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He leaves home and goes out on his own at 15 because he's clearly not wanted.

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He felt abandoned his whole childhood.

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Especially by his mom and his dad and of course his grandparents.

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So we're going to fast forward into 1991.

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He has what I think is his first arrest for stealing and he gets sent to jail.

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He's in jail for this arrest. He wrote his mother because he was really missing her but he never got a reply.

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So again being drilled into his mind that nobody really gives a shit about him.

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Yeah so he tried to reach out to them or her at least?

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He sent her multiple letters.

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Assuming an adult at this point.

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He's 16 at this time.

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And it's not like he's a child in like the 1920s.

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A child in the 90s.

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How do you not care for a 16 year old at that point?

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It's awful.

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So it was at this point of course when he realized, well he knew before but he realized his mother,

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like his father did not care to speak with him or notice him at all.

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So he was eventually let out of jail and of course he was very angry.

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Nothing but anger on his mind.

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So he, this is when it just immediately jumped into his like harsh crimes.

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And trigger warning this does get kind of bad as it goes on.

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So I just want to let everyone know.

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So he was out one day and he saw a young couple under a tree kissing.

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Just you know what couple, couple shit you know what they do.

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Just couple shit.

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I couldn't find ages of the couple but it seemed by everything,

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and it all accounts that they were pretty young.

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If they're down at a lover's lane then it's likely that they're in their teens, early 20s.

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And he's 16 so is he going to target like 30 year olds?

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So it seems that this is his first murder from the timeline and it happened on January 22nd, 1955.

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So this is six days after his 20th birthday.

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So after approaching this couple again, trigger warning,

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he raped the young girl and robbed both of them.

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but then the boy cried and begged quote please don't kill me I still have my parents.

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Of course that triggered Wong because he doesn't have his parents.

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So when he heard that he lost it because of his own personal relationship

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or lack thereof with his parents and he stabbed the boy to death.

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I'm not sure why he had a knife if he wasn't planning on killing anyone or harming anyone, but you know.

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but it was probably the only thing maybe he had to not only maybe defend himself

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if he didn't really feel like he was in a very secure spot as far as where he lived.

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He might have had it for protection, but it's also a great way to use it in an offense.

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We're gonna fast forward five years later in the year 2000.

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Wong got married to a young woman, so he seemed to be turning his life around doing what he does.

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What kind of a freed up is that?

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He's got alimony goggles.

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So the entire time that they were together, this was when he was doing the bulk of his horrific crimes.

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Really?

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Yes.

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So within three years?

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Yes.

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This is the timeline of his crimes?

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So he started his first kill in 1995.

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I read somewhere else that it was 92.

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So, and again, he has over 50 murders and hundreds probably of rapes in his bank.

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So there's a lot that I didn't include because it's so much information

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and it's kind of repetitive because he has the same MO.

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And I didn't want to, you know, it was a lot of information to kind of relay and jot down.

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It would have gone on for hours.

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And so starting in the mid, I'm sorry, early to mid 90s.

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Yes.

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When he was 16.

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15, 16, 17.

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And then it goes until 2003.

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I think he was, I mean, what, he's 28 maybe when he gets arrested?

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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So of course, he wasn't able to keep up his end of the deal with his wife.

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So they ultimately divorced in 2003 when the wife, of course, made the decision to leave him.

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Well, I should hope so, Karen.

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Yeah.

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Get it together, Mary.

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So we're going to fill in the gaps from the year 2000 to 2003 because I told you he was finally caught in 2003.

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I wasn't able to find a perfect timeline or description of his crimes because, like I said, everything had been translated.

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So I'm going to do my best from what I understood from the information.

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And there's again some more quotes in there that don't necessarily make sense to us in our language.

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So we'll try to translate those.

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The first murder after his marriage mentioned was at a laundromat.

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And again, information got lost.

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So I read that he went to do laundry and got an argument with either a man or a woman.

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It said both.

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After the argument he left, well, then he returned and stabbed whoever he had been arguing with previously to death.

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Don't know what the argument was about.

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And it's still not clear if it was a man or a woman he was arguing with.

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In the middle of the day.

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Yeah, just at the laundromat.

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Just doing laundry, normal hot girl shit, you know.

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Oh my God.

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So another murder mentioned said that he met five men and asked them for money.

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Because remember, robbing is part of his MO at this point.

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It seems as though one of the guys asked him, are you sick?

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Maybe he was acting wild or maybe a little crazy and they asked him if he was sick.

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And he responded by stabbing the man to death.

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The man that asked the question.

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Maybe it was, yeah, me asking like if he's crazy.

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Like are you crazy?

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Yeah.

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So it is mentioned that he never left a witness, but it's also not mentioned if these other four men got away or if they were even there.

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Because again, the five men could have been another typo or miscommunication.

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It could have just been one man.

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But it didn't say anything else about these other men that were mentioned.

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So he typically doesn't do it in front of people?

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Yeah, if there's a witness, they're gonna die because he's not getting caught.

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You know, he doesn't want to, of course.

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It is mentioned, however, that because he never left a witness, he was very, quote, hard to detect from police.

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It is mentioned multiple times that Wong had a quote, stable psychological quality and that he was able to quote, eat and sleep soundly when he kills someone.

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So he...

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Is that a stable quality?

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Yeah, that's not very stable.

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Is that stable?

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If you have to murder someone to sleep better at night?

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No, I think what they were saying was he was able to murder someone and then like it didn't affect his eating or sleeping later on.

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Yeah, but how is that a stable quality?

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I don't know.

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I mean, I, you know, I'm sure I would sleep better if I did some heroin.

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You don't see me out there doing heroin.

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Heron?

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Heron.

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So during this time, it's also mentioned that he had been prosecuted before.

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I don't know when I think it might have been when they were looking for suspects or just for other, I don't know, suspected things.

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And during his arrest, he only admitted to pretending to be a police officer and he refused to confess to any other crimes.

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And then it was noted that after the interrogation, he's still ate and sat in the interrogation chair and fell asleep.

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That must be something again, like when you think culturally, not that that wouldn't shock any culture.

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Maybe that's just something that is typical of someone who is having maybe a mental breakdown or someone who is maybe out of sorts and they are so remorseful or, you know, have remorse.

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So they feel sick.

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They don't want to eat.

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They don't want to sleep.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I wouldn't be able to eat either.

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Even if I hurt or killed somebody in self-defense, it would ruin me.

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An accident.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It would ruin me.

325
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Yeah.

326
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Which means he's not stable.

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I think that it's just, yeah, it's furthering their point that this is not normal.

328
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So this is still the year 2000 in the summer.

329
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So Wong climbed up to a building in the west tower of Shenyang, which had just finished construction.

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I think it was a housing unit of some sort or an apartment complex because it says that he saw a woman sleeping in the living room in a second floor house.

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And he also saw that in the next room over, there were about seven or eight migrant workers also sleeping.

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So it's like he could see, maybe it was a hotel, he could see into the windows of these places and see that people were sleeping, like from across the way.

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That doesn't strike me as much as knowing that he's scouted it.

334
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Like that's creepy.

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Now, he snuck into the house and quietly approached the woman's bed and hit her on the head with an iron pipe.

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And again, trigger warning, this is bad.

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At this time, she was still alive and he turned her clothes over and raped her.

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It was mentioned that he didn't receive any money from her because he didn't care to rob her, but he left.

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It also wasn't mentioned if she lived or died, but I believe that she died because, again, he doesn't leave people.

340
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He doesn't leave witnesses.

341
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Yes. So it was interesting to me at this point because it almost seems like, and this is terrible, but it almost seems like he's now exchanging the robberies for rape.

342
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His motive is not money anymore. He wants to rape people.

343
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Yeah.

344
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So he doesn't care to check their pockets or try to search their house for money.

345
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Well, maybe at one point it was necessary for him to rob people.

346
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Yeah.

347
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He was just out of survival, but now it's no longer survival.

348
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I need this.

349
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Yeah.

350
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Primal.

351
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Yeah.

352
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So he leaves by climbing down a scaffolding outside.

353
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Like, I guess he's like scaling the wall.

354
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Like, what the fuck?

355
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And when he reached the ground, like, that's so weird.

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When he reached the ground, he actually spotted a cop car approaching and he was like, oh shit.

357
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So he quickly threw the pipe that he had used and the knife that he had on him.

358
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They called it a pig knife and I looked it up.

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I even asked Casey, I was like, what the hell is a pig knife?

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And he's like, I don't know.

361
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And I'm like, if you don't know what that is, like, it's a knife to kill a pig.

362
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Yeah.

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It's literally what it was.

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It's like a short, straight knife, like a stabbing knife pretty much, which is awful.

365
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So he threw that down.

366
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I don't know if he's where he threw it.

367
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He threw it obviously away from him.

368
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But at this point, several officers approached him and searched him.

369
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Well, when they asked him what he was doing, he said he came to work outside the city,

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which made sense because he was on the outskirts.

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Well, when asked why he was in the street at night because it was dark, he said, quote,

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I'm hungry, go downstairs and buy some food.

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So he was saying, like, oh, I got hungry and I wanted to come down here and get some food.

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And they were like, OK, and just let him go.

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Have a nice night.

376
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Yeah.

377
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Good day, sir.

378
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And they said, he just seemed cool, calm and collected.

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And they were like, all right, bye.

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And how do you not have a drop of blood on you when you stab somebody or, I'm sorry, hit somebody with an iron pipe?

381
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I mean, I mean, again, we don't know the context, but it is described as being very dark outside.

382
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That's true.

383
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You know, who knows?

384
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Yeah.

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Now, in May of the year 2000, along the South Canal and Xiangyang, the grass was very lush.

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They noted it because when the sun went down, people came out of their houses to breathe.

387
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They said the rare fresh air, which is awful because the air is, the quality is terrible over there.

388
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But people wanted to go out and enjoy the night.

389
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So this is actually when the first, one of the first times I noticed that they included names of the victims.

390
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So I'll include them here.

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A man by the name of Uncle Jaya, it's J-I-A, I think it's Uncle Jaya, was walking along the canal when he came across.

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Sorry?

393
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Jia.

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Uncle Jia was walking along the canal when he came across two bodies lying in the grass.

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He, of course, immediately called the police who determined the victims were a young man and a young woman.

396
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This guy, was it Uncle Jia?

397
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Yeah.

398
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Like he was just, that was his nickname?

399
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Like Uncle Bob, I guess?

400
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But he was known to be like the uncle.

401
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He's the cool Uncle Jia.

402
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Yeah, hell yeah.

403
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The investigation found that these two victims were 20 year old Wong, same name as our killer.

404
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He was male and then 20 year old you was a female.

405
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They were in town from another place that was not named, it was not clear if they were a couple or not,

406
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but they both died by stab wounds to the chest which pierced their hearts, which I thought was interesting because

407
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you gotta kinda know like where to stab, the heart is not where people think it is.

408
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That is interesting, yeah.

409
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The young woman was also raped, but it didn't state whether it was pre or post-mortem because now he's moving into necrophilia.

410
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It's known later.

411
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And after this there were frequent brutal homicides and rapes around that same area that shocked the police because it was frequently occurring.

412
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Now, July of the year 2000, Wong was wandering the outskirts of Kei-Yuan and he approached the house of a chicken farm where three people were sleeping inside.

413
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It definitely seems like modus operandi is if they're sleeping or I mean it's kinda moving into that, right?

414
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Yeah, and they're vulnerable. They're young, they're usually caught off guard, it's dark, you know, not a good situation.

415
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It's noted that the three people inside was a girl of about 17 or 18 years old and a couple.

416
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So Wong approached the man and hit him on the temple and then he quote, padded the heads of the two women flatly.

417
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So I think he beat their heads pretty much to a pulp. That sounds bad, but that's what it seems.

418
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And then it was noted that the three died without making a sound because he did it very quickly.

419
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Trigger warning again.

420
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Wong then dragged the young girl, I'm sorry, it didn't say which girl. One of the women he dragged to the yard and then raped her.

421
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This is post-mortem, so now he's moving into necrophilia, which is fucking disgusting.

422
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Once again, the money remained in the house so he doesn't want to rob anymore. He's not interested in that.

423
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Yeah, that's not what he seeks to gain any longer.

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After this, he threw the pickaxe on the ground and left the scene. So he's now leaving his weapons that he's using, the murder weapons just at the scene or around the scene, which is really fucking ballsy.

425
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I was just about to say not only that, but he's choosing couple victims or now people of three.

426
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For instance, that woman that she was sleeping in and there was about six, seven other workers in the next room, that's really ballsy.

427
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Yeah, it's almost like he wants to get caught or he wants a challenge or something. The couple thing freaks me out.

428
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I feel so safe with Casey, but people target couples that's so scary. And then when I hear stories like this and then the victim's 80 or the victim's 50, it's like nobody's safe.

429
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Anybody could become a murder victim. It's unfortunate, but anybody could. It does not matter your gender, your age, your situation.

430
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That's like night stalker.

431
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Literally. Yeah, and that's that is insane to me. I always find that very interesting. It's got to be for them like a sense of like a sick sense of accomplishment, but that they can control or have power and dominance over two people.

432
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Of course. And especially when there's a man involved.

433
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A male and a female.

434
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Like I think that it was the original night stalker. It's not Richard Ramirez, but the Green River rapist and then they turn him to the I don't think it's Green River, but either way he was the one that would go in when the couple was sleeping and they would he would stack the dishes on the husband's back and

435
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he would rape the woman in the next room and he was like if you move the dishes like y'all are both dead. And at first he was just raping and leaving with and he ended up killing but that's scary. I can't imagine being in that situation.

436
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So after this again he threw the pickaxe on the ground and he left the scene. He didn't go far though because the killer always comes back to the scene of the crime and he hid somewhere to watch the police work the scene.

437
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So extra balls.

438
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000
This guy got big old balls.

439
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Big ass balls.

440
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God damn. Wendy Saperstein's a big old bitch.

441
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:23,000
Or Karl Pans right. Hey you look like a big bitch. You look like a big bitch. You want a job?

442
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Alright. Another account.

443
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Wong snuck into a bungalow and saw a husband and wife at home.

444
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Wong approached the husband and stabbed him twice without killing him and then proceeded to rape the wife in front of him, which is, oh I can't even imagine.

445
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After this he actually did not kill the pair but he also didn't leave. He just hung out at the house for a few hours.

446
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Like just chatted up with these people. They're probably shitting themselves.

447
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:59,000
Same thing with the Green River. He would eat food out of their fridge and rearrange their furniture and shit.

448
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This is around the same time. I think the Green River, oh maybe he was in the 70s.

449
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But still within like a couple like 30 years, maybe he was, I don't know, if he got wind.

450
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Cappie cat.

451
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:21,000
Yeah. So we stayed at the house for more than three hours. It's not known exactly how this time was spent but I'm sure a lot of it was probably continuing to rape the wife.

452
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Maybe talking shit, watching TV, drinking beer, whatever.

453
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At one point he packed up their TV, planning to steal it. Like he was getting it ready to steal. I don't know how you pack up a TV unless the box was just there.

454
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On his back?

455
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:41,000
I don't know. So he spent some time chatting with the couple and finally it came up. He asked if the man had any children.

456
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,000
And this freaked me out when I saw that because I was like, oh hell no. Don't do it. Don't do it.

457
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,000
Leave the babies alone.

458
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:52,000
Literally. And the man responded saying that he had a son but the son was not there at the time. Thank God.

459
00:30:52,000 --> 00:31:00,000
It was at this time that Wang said something along the lines of, quote, your son is killing him.

460
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,000
Your son is killing him.

461
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:10,000
Maybe he meant your son is killing you. Like because you have a son I'm going to kill you is what I think that meant.

462
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:20,000
Yeah. Or maybe in some type of a way, you know, if his son was an only child, maybe that child would be a burden to him as a parent.

463
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:26,000
And Wang proceeded to lunge at the man to attempt to kill him and the man resisted.

464
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Well, luckily the man's younger brother actually lived next door and he heard the struggle and he came over and scared Wong away.

465
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,000
And so this is one of the rare occasions when his two victims did not die. They were left alive.

466
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:45,000
Wow. So did they get like a testimony from these people?

467
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,000
I couldn't find anything about the trial at all.

468
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:54,000
I know, but how lucky, not lucky, but like what a badass the younger brother is to come over and stop that.

469
00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:00,000
I mean, he could have easily been the third victim. If that guy had a gun, if Wong had a gun and the brother came over, he should have shot all three of them.

470
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,000
For sure. Or if he was ballsy enough, he could have just, I mean, had the third man too.

471
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,000
That's true.

472
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:11,000
But it does seem like it's either male-female or two-female, I'm sorry, two females and a male.

473
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:17,000
It's not two males because that's not as easy, I guess. I don't know.

474
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,000
Now it's noted that Wong was very good at disguising himself.

475
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:26,000
When committing his crimes, he would dress up as a migrant worker with torn clothes to not draw attention.

476
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,000
I feel like you meant like a mustache and like glasses.

477
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,000
He's like, did that man mask? Oh, who is he?

478
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000
Oh, no! Who's that guy?

479
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:40,000
So he was known for having a lot of really nice suits, I guess, because he stole a bunch of money.

480
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:49,000
But he kept them at the dry cleaners to not show that he owned that stuff. Maybe if his house was searched, they would be like, oh, this isn't the guy.

481
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:55,000
Or maybe, I don't know, that sounds silly because if he had the suits and the guy was known in torn clothes, maybe it would have been...

482
00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:02,000
Well, okay, so maybe he wore like migrant worker clothes when committing crimes.

483
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,000
He did.

484
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:09,000
Right, so, but he would keep his suits at the dry clothes.

485
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:15,000
Maybe he didn't want to potentially cross-contaminate. Like, if he had any blood on his like migrant clothes, he didn't want to get his suits dirty.

486
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:23,000
That's true, because hey, homie, I'm walking down the street in a suit right now. You, you know, interrogate me and take me to a police station.

487
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000
You collect my clothing, you're not going to find shit.

488
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,000
Or, yeah, you're not going to even question me because it's known that the assailant has torn clothes.

489
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:37,000
You know that these people, the woman that got raped and the brother and the guy, they're telling cops what happened and they're explaining what he was wearing, you know?

490
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,000
He's a migrant worker, not a man in a suit.

491
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,000
Exactly.

492
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,000
And I haven't even looked in his direction.

493
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:54,000
So he was known for frequently after committing his crimes, he would go pick up one of his suits, put on a pair of good leather shoes and would go to a hotel sauna to just, you know, decompress after a long day of murdering.

494
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,000
Like, that's terrible.

495
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,000
I know.

496
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,000
This is a real shitty day at the office.

497
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,000
Fucking hard day, dude. God, these people got away and, oh, what a piece of shit.

498
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:18,000
Another distinguishing factor of his was that he was very cunning, which unfortunately a lot of serial killers are very meticulous in planning and cunning and it really sucks.

499
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,000
Because they're, yeah, my boys wicked smart.

500
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,000
So he was able to tell between regular citizens and cops very easily.

501
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:35,000
There was like multiple attempts at like staying operations where cops would dress up as migrant workers and he knew every fucking time that they were cops.

502
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,000
Wow.

503
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:42,000
And he never slipped up, even though they looked just like anybody else would on the street, like Joe Schmo over there.

504
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,000
And he wasn't, I mean, he was out of school by 15, 16 years old.

505
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000
He didn't hardly have a education.

506
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Actually, I, sorry, I can scream, actually.

507
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,000
I actually read in another source that he was out of school.

508
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:06,000
He went through first grade and he went through like a week of second grade and that's when he left school, which is interesting because we talked about how his grandparents sent him to school at 13.

509
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,000
Maybe we were right.

510
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,000
Maybe it was in all boys or maybe it was a reform school or something.

511
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,000
A reform school, yeah.

512
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000
So he really didn't have an education.

513
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:21,000
I mean, especially with when you're talking about the translation, it could have been a, you know, one of those working farms.

514
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,000
Exactly.

515
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000
You know, where they, like you said, like a reform school.

516
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,000
Exactly.

517
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,000
Where he would have to do manual labor.

518
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,000
Yeah.

519
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:37,000
So that, again, that makes it even scarier that he has all of this street knowledge with hardly any background in education.

520
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:50,000
That's somebody who's, it's interesting because when you talk about people that have, you know, psychosis issues or psychological issues or even social issues for someone to, you know,

521
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:57,000
someone to study that in a way that's, that helps them keep moitering, you know?

522
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,000
I mean, it's just insane that it just, it's, it's the power of the human mind.

523
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,000
Of course.

524
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,000
And he, you can tell that he is a listener.

525
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000
He listens to everything around him.

526
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,000
He's very observant.

527
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,000
And I think that really unfortunately helped him get away with these crimes for so long.

528
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,000
So yeah, one time there was a sting operation and some policeman in plain clothes,

529
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,000
this pretended to be migrant workers, but were spotted by Wong.

530
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:30,000
Other efforts included, included police dressing up as quote, lovers like couples or male officers dressing up as women even to try to trip him up.

531
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,000
But he noticed every time.

532
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,000
Wow.

533
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,000
Yeah.

534
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:39,000
Police later said that his biggest tactic was to be quote, calm and hard talking.

535
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,000
And he used this to escape police and be let go.

536
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:48,000
So he was very calm and he was very like, no, like everything he said was fact, you know?

537
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000
And that's really easy to manipulate.

538
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,000
It's not easy to manipulate, but that's a way to manipulate people into thinking that,

539
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,000
well, why are we going to question this guy?

540
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,000
He's right.

541
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,000
You know, he knows what he's talking about.

542
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000
That's a dangerous quality.

543
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:08,000
When someone, that's how people become really good liars is they, it's almost like lying by omission.

544
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,000
It's like you, you tell all of the truth.

545
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,000
It's like, you're just like, you're leaving the truth out.

546
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,000
You're right.

547
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,000
It's like, it's like,

548
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,000
You're picking and choosing.

549
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,000
Exactly.

550
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,000
It's like Lucifer.

551
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,000
The show Lucifer, he never lies.

552
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,000
Don't tell me about it because I have a graphic novel and I want to read it.

553
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,000
It's not going to ruin anything, but he never lies.

554
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:32,000
But he doesn't, if he, if he doesn't want to tell the truth, he just doesn't say anything.

555
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,000
That's lying.

556
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,000
That's living stuff.

557
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Yeah.

558
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,000
And that's really scary.

559
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:42,000
And that's another way like in like emotionally manipulative relationships, you know, you're

560
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,500
gonna, that's what gaslighting is.

561
00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:46,300
You're going to tell somebody something so many times and you're going to say it in a

562
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:50,000
way that they're going to start to believe it, even if it's fake or true or untrue.

563
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,340
You know, now September 19th, 2000, a man and a woman were found dead in the West Bank

564
00:37:55,340 --> 00:38:00,880
of the North Canal in Ling King Lane, Shanglu, Shanglu.

565
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,000
This couple was much older than Wong's MO.

566
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,000
He's like his usual victims, consisting of Lee, who was a 57 year old male, and you,

567
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000
who is a 41 year old female.

568
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Lee, the male, lived on hard working lane, and you lived on, I think it's a gong-nong

569
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,720
road.

570
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:23,080
When police arrived, they found that both victims had knives in their left chest and

571
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,400
left neck.

572
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,000
So he had stabbed both of them.

573
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,000
He killed both of them?

574
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,000
With two different knives each and left the knives in their bodies.

575
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,000
See that?

576
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,200
How do you not say that that's premeditated?

577
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,000
Oh, of course it is.

578
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Again, ballsy.

579
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,000
There's no fingerprints on those knives, I bet.

580
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,000
There's probably not.

581
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:46,640
So both of the knives, again, pierced each victim's heart, so very precise, and the female

582
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,000
victim was raped, seemingly post-mortem.

583
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:55,280
Lastly, both of their pockets were actually turned over, so he did try to check them for

584
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,040
cash, and then Lee's bicycle was actually stolen.

585
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,200
So he had been seen riding the bicycle earlier, and the bicycle was not anywhere near the

586
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,200
scene.

587
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,560
So it's like Wong took it to escape, I guess, to get out faster, maybe?

588
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,840
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

589
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:16,280
Maybe he was potentially spotted, or maybe got scared, and had to take off real quick.

590
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:21,000
So this is early morning, October 17th, 2002, which is Eminem's birthday.

591
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,320
I don't know why I know that, but it is Marshall Mathers.

592
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,320
What?

593
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,320
Eminem, Marshall Mathers?

594
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,320
What was his birthday?

595
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,320
October 17th.

596
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,320
Oh.

597
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:35,760
So October 17th, 2002, a citizen found the bodies of a man and woman in the botanical

598
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,840
gardens of a college in Shungyang.

599
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:44,640
These victims were also older, with the male Lee being 52, and the woman Chen being 52

600
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:45,640
as well.

601
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,200
So they're both older this time again.

602
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:53,480
Wong had stabbed Lee in the neck twice, and Chen in the neck and back three times.

603
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,880
Again, punctured in the heart.

604
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,840
Do you think that maybe he's switching up his MO?

605
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,600
So he's not so predictable?

606
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:07,160
Well, maybe they're saying, you know, maybe not only in that age range are people becoming

607
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:13,160
scarce because of the crimes, because those people are more likely to stay indoors or

608
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,160
be more vigilant.

609
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,160
That's true.

610
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,160
Yeah, oh, he's killing young people.

611
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,080
All the young people are going to be not going around those areas.

612
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:23,040
Right, or maybe he heard a report that people were looking, you know, for someone committing

613
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,240
crimes in that age bracket.

614
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:28,440
So he's like, well, shit, I gotta fuck some shit up.

615
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,720
Let me go kill someone that's not in that age bracket.

616
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:35,240
Well, that's even scarier too, because now you don't know his MO.

617
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:40,640
Now he's all over the board, and he can literally do anything, and you don't know he's unpredictable.

618
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,960
It's freaky.

619
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,000
So both of them were punctured in the main arteries again, the heart and in the neck.

620
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,160
So he got there carotid.

621
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,200
So he knows something about the human body and the way that thing where things are.

622
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,160
It is not easy to find the carotid artery in the neck.

623
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:02,560
And both of them were punctured again, causing them to bleed and bleed to death very quickly.

624
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,840
Chen was also raped as well, and the bike that she was seen with earlier was taken.

625
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,840
So this is the second bicycle.

626
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:08,840
Now he's a bike thief?

627
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:09,840
Yeah.

628
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:10,840
This guy is all over the board.

629
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:11,840
That's the worst of all.

630
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,000
He's a bike thief out of anything.

631
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,000
All over the board.

632
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,000
Yeah.

633
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,160
Now he's just often people with bikes.

634
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,200
These canal rapes, robberies, and you want to, I'm going to say that really quick, because

635
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,880
this is even, that's even scarier, because you're on a bike.

636
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:25,880
You think that you're safe.

637
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,400
You can get away from somebody quicker.

638
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,600
If you're riding your bike, no one's going to fuck with me because I can get away.

639
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:31,600
Wrong.

640
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:32,600
That's terrifying.

641
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,160
It is.

642
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,320
So these canal rapes, robberies, and murders continue to occur frequently attracting the

643
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,720
attention of the Xiangyang multiple municipal police security bureau.

644
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:46,000
That's a mouthful.

645
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,920
After investigating, they came to the thought that this was a single person, most likely

646
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,280
a migrant worker.

647
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,280
So his clothing.

648
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,280
So it's working.

649
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,280
Yep.

650
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,080
It's fucking working and it sucks.

651
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:01,200
They also noted that the assailant used a single edge knife that was either 10 centimeters

652
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,440
or more in length and that he was targeting couples whom he could rob.

653
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,120
So yeah, that's true.

654
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,680
But remember, he stopped caring about the money after he started raping.

655
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,480
So other than the inside out pockets.

656
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:20,000
But again, if he's switching up his MO, maybe there wasn't anything in their pockets.

657
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,200
Maybe he did it on purpose to make it look like robbery was motive.

658
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,800
I don't know how that's possible when you leave two knives in people's necks.

659
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,800
Yeah, seriously.

660
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,640
And how many knives does this guy fucking have?

661
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:32,640
I don't know.

662
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,640
He's here in our cell.

663
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,240
He's just like leaving knives and getting more.

664
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:41,840
Well, I mean, if he's stealing knives, then he has an unlimited supply of knives.

665
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,840
Maybe he was looking for knives in their pockets.

666
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,480
That's very true.

667
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:53,000
The police bureau identified this case as the serial number 54 case in 2002, and it

668
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,440
was all hands on deck.

669
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,400
Now I think that serial number 54 is interesting because it almost seems to me like this is

670
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,080
the 54th case that they've had that involves a serial murderer.

671
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,080
And that's why they named it that.

672
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,080
And I was like, oh, that's interesting.

673
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,400
Like they don't, they don't give these guys credit as like, it was a gooby, new rivier

674
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,400
killer.

675
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:12,400
Like they don't give them a cool name.

676
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,400
They're like, oh no, bitch, your number 54 and we're coming to get your ass.

677
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,520
Collectiveism, for sure.

678
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,560
They don't want to give these people individual power.

679
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,880
Not at all.

680
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,760
The police launched a 24 hour surveillance patrol in canals and parks around the area.

681
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,440
There were large numbers of plain cloth police officers undercover trying to be, you know,

682
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,400
bait or whatever, you know, trying to blend in.

683
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,200
This went on for weeks with no outcome.

684
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,040
So it's now July 2003.

685
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,640
Police have decided to launch a vigorous special struggle called the 100 days battle is what

686
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:44,640
they called it.

687
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,640
They've been trying to find this guy.

688
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,360
They named it the 100 days battle.

689
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:53,200
They won't, they won't give the guy a nickname, but they'll give the special ops.

690
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,200
They'll give themselves credit.

691
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,200
It's the 100 day battle.

692
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,200
Well, they're part of a group.

693
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,680
Yep, that's true.

694
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,960
They identified this case as the number three public case.

695
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,080
So it was like third on their list of like, we need to catch this fucker.

696
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,560
So as it was like America's most wanted, he'd be third.

697
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,680
Who are the other two assholes?

698
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,160
Right now I want to know, like, who did something worse than this?

699
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:19,640
Like, the police set up two fronts, one to have undercover officers patrol and conducted

700
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,400
investigation solely to find out what he looked like.

701
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,280
They're just trying to figure out what this guy looks like.

702
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,280
Well, I'm sure there's varying descriptions.

703
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,840
Of course.

704
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:35,200
And we've seen with even with the little names that we found, there's a lot of people

705
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,480
with very similar names, actually the same name.

706
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,480
Who knows?

707
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,560
Like everyone eyewitnesses accounts is different, you know, that's why it's so hard to rely

708
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,120
on eyewitness accounts because everyone saw something different.

709
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,120
Of course.

710
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,120
He had a beard, no he didn't.

711
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,240
He had glasses, no he didn't.

712
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:52,080
You know, it's in your memory you cannot even trust sometimes.

713
00:44:52,080 --> 00:45:01,800
Already eyewitness accounts are heavily scrutinized just because people remember things differently.

714
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:02,800
They're all different.

715
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,200
It's all perspective based.

716
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,200
Yeah, exactly.

717
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,040
So tie in the fact that he also uses disguises.

718
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,040
Mm-hmm.

719
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,040
Forget about it.

720
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,280
Forget about it.

721
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,280
So the second, so I said they set up two fronts, that's the one to find out their appearance.

722
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,200
And the other one was to carry out in-depth criminal activities in various suspected sites

723
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,200
in the area.

724
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,440
So they were committing crimes themselves to like lure him in.

725
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,280
Like, ooh, there's some crime over here.

726
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,280
Come on.

727
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,720
You know, the crime over here is like dangling it.

728
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:31,720
I got knives.

729
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:36,400
The assailant holding a joint in the villainous way.

730
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,000
I swear, I am not a cop.

731
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,000
Yeah.

732
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,720
So while getting information gathered, the police decided to start talking to inmates

733
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:47,440
to see if they knew anything.

734
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:48,440
Smart.

735
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:49,440
Because he's been previously arrested.

736
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,440
He has a record.

737
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,440
He might know somebody that's incarcerated.

738
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,800
But how would they even know who they were looking for?

739
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,000
Well, they just started talking around, did you hear anybody come in and brag about certain

740
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,000
things that they've done?

741
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,240
Or did you hear from the woodwork, whatever?

742
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:06,880
So this is when, and they talked to a number of people, but this is the guy that I noted.

743
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,000
They began talking to a detainee named Zhao.

744
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,360
Zhao is his name.

745
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,400
Z-H-A-O, Zhao, I looked at him.

746
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,960
He was arrested for stealing a motorcycle.

747
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,560
So a really fast bicycle.

748
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:19,560
He was arrested.

749
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,920
So that's similar to Wang's bicycle.

750
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,480
I see how this is connected.

751
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,560
So Zhao was reported, I'm sorry.

752
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,160
So Zhao reported a man named Wang.

753
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,160
Right off the bat, obviously not.

754
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,680
It wasn't like, oh, it's Wang.

755
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,120
Like he immediately said it, but somehow in their conversations, they landed on this

756
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,320
guy.

757
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,760
And he said that this man was in his 30s, that he is cruel and he has robbed the park many

758
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:41,760
times.

759
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:47,680
He often carries knives and wears a pair of yellow rubber boots while riding a bike.

760
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,280
Very specific.

761
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,280
Yellow rubber boots.

762
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,480
And I wonder if that's to make sure he's clean after he does this.

763
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,200
And there's, unfortunately, rubber boots are very easy to clean.

764
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,280
I was going to say, yellow rubber boots are my name of rain boots.

765
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:05,240
And now all I can think is my group worker with bright yellow rain boots.

766
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:07,440
And how silly that must look.

767
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:08,440
We'll get this.

768
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,640
Riding a bicycle.

769
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,760
So according to Zhao, he saw Wang holding a bloody necklace and a very expensive watch.

770
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,280
And Wang said that he had robbed somebody and snatched it from them.

771
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:24,000
Now he also said that back in summer of 2001, Wang had apparently asked Zhao if he would

772
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,640
rob somebody with him or if he would do it for him.

773
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,480
And in the same area that the police are now searching, same area this is two years before.

774
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,600
So he attempted to get Zhao as like a cohort.

775
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:36,600
That's what I was thinking.

776
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:37,600
Did you hear the movie?

777
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,760
You said at the exact same time it sounded like the same person talking.

778
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,800
We're going to have to listen back to that because that was really weird.

779
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,720
So he was pretty much trying to recruit Zhao as like a cohort.

780
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:51,720
Yes.

781
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:52,720
Okay.

782
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:53,720
Yes.

783
00:47:53,720 --> 00:48:00,000
Now, Wang told Zhao about his robbery experiences and how it was much easier to get away with

784
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,520
when it was raining.

785
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,200
Isn't that creepy because he wears the rain boots and it makes sense.

786
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,680
So all of this stuff is making sense.

787
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,080
It's not this is Zhao guy just making some shit up to like less time or whatever.

788
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,640
Yeah, there's validity.

789
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:18,040
So on July 3rd, 2003, investigators attempted to find and arrest Wang but were unsuccessful

790
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,040
in locating him.

791
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,560
But now they know like this is the guy we want at least to hold in question.

792
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:27,080
You know, July 14th, 2003, Hala, it's not birthday.

793
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:32,320
And the motherfucking got arrested, police returned to their hotspot only to find Wang

794
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,760
near where his mother's home was located actually was where they found him.

795
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:37,760
Who knows what he was planning.

796
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,520
If it's I don't even know if his mom's so alive at this point.

797
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,080
But either way, it affected him.

798
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,040
So I guess there was like a little market area around here because it was crowded but

799
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,400
they didn't want to like freak him out of course.

800
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:54,240
And so they slipped into the crowd and nabbed him amongst the crowd of people like kind

801
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:55,720
of quietly.

802
00:48:55,720 --> 00:49:00,960
After the arrest, Wang explained all of his crimes in detail since 1992.

803
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:06,640
He accurately remembered the time and place and victim of each crime.

804
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,040
That gave me goosebumps when I said that.

805
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,040
Seriously.

806
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,360
That is so fucking creepy.

807
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:18,000
How do you first of all, I can't even remember what time I woke up today or what I had for

808
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,000
dinner last night.

809
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,440
Dude didn't even bat on fucking eyelash.

810
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,600
He was just like.

811
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,600
And he's eating and sleeping the whole time.

812
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,760
Good for him.

813
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,480
He kept his stamina up.

814
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,000
No, but that's crazy.

815
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,800
The fact that this dude was just like, oh, caught me.

816
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,440
Here's everything I've ever done.

817
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,520
Here's my life fucking story.

818
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,120
So that's why another thing I'm like, I feel like he kind of wanted to get caught.

819
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,160
It was like a game to him and like that's why he targeted people, left the murder weapons,

820
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,880
came back to watch the police work the scene.

821
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,000
But he's like, oh, they didn't get me this time.

822
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,280
Let me just kill again.

823
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,880
Maybe they'll get me next time.

824
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:55,880
Yeah.

825
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:01,800
So after many years, police were finally able to solve the full crime where they reported

826
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,680
that Wong committed over 30 crimes and killed over 50 people.

827
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,960
Again, I of course didn't mention all of those.

828
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,000
You can find them if you look, but this was a very hard case to research.

829
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,400
There was not a lot of information on it.

830
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:19,200
And they did that on purpose because they don't want to target or to individualize him.

831
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:25,360
Like you said, they also, it's known that he was, he was called the Bundy of China.

832
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:26,360
Right.

833
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,320
Um, so they dubbed him serial number 54.

834
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,320
That's what they dubbed him.

835
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:32,320
That was his name.

836
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,520
And he finally went to trial in March, 2005.

837
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,680
He was sentenced to death and executed in that same year in 2005.

838
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:39,680
In the same year.

839
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,960
You know how long it takes people to die from death on death row here in America?

840
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,160
They, it's like, people have been on death row for like 30 years.

841
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,680
Like, let's go, let's, let's, I'm sorry.

842
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:51,800
I agree with that.

843
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,200
Like that's what I'm thinking about.

844
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,640
If you have somebody dead to rights, I don't understand why they need to be on death row

845
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,000
for 40 fucking years.

846
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:05,160
So that's the crazy life and crimes of Wong Chi-Yong.

847
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,560
Um, however, this podcast is about mental illness.

848
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:15,360
And the reason that I began researching his case is because he was on a list of top five

849
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,440
killers who are mentally ill.

850
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:23,560
Um, unfortunately, I didn't find out until later that he is listed as mentally ill because

851
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,200
he's a necrophiliac.

852
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,960
He doesn't have any diagnosis, which is why I said earlier, feel bad for the kid, don't

853
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:29,960
feel bad for the adult.

854
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:30,960
He's a piece of shit.

855
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,680
This isn't like Andre Thomas where he's literally insane hallucinating, seeing things.

856
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:37,680
He is a monster.

857
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,880
And he asked for help of quite a few times.

858
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:40,880
Yes.

859
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:47,440
So I just wanted to really quickly, I know necrophilia is a very hard thing to hear about

860
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,000
and learn about, but I do want to shed some light on why they are saying that he's mentally

861
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,080
ill because he was involved in necrophilia.

862
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,400
So I was under the impression that necrophilia was not in the DSM.

863
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,400
Apparently it is.

864
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,400
It is.

865
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:02,400
And I did not know that.

866
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,280
Um, so it says here, necrophilia, which is frequently taken to mean a sexual attraction

867
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:13,400
to corpses is defined by the DSM-5, which I have a copy of because I love it, as an

868
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:18,840
other specified paraphilic disorder involving recurrent and intense sexual interest in

869
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:19,840
corpses.

870
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:26,560
However, since necrophilia was first documented on Kraft Ebbing's psychopathia sexualis,

871
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,920
there has been a lot of variation discovered in those who engage in this behavior and subsequently

872
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,160
many attempts to produce a cohesive classification.

873
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,760
So it's very, very broad.

874
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:42,680
Yeah, um, with the definition of paraphilic as being a classified disorder, um, that if

875
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:50,040
I'm not mistaken, it is you only find sexual gratification through that process, that it

876
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,480
is linked to erectile dysfunction.

877
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,840
Like you cannot perform sexually without that.

878
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:57,840
Yeah.

879
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:58,840
So, um, yeah.

880
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,720
But then I don't feel like that's in Wang's case.

881
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:05,520
I don't feel like that's true though because remember he raped his victims.

882
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,560
Because before he murdered them.

883
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:15,000
Right, but he was also, um, he liked not only, well, I agree with you at the beginning, there

884
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,080
was the essence of surprise, but it was also robbery and stuff.

885
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:25,840
But as his modus operandi grew, it turned into sleeping.

886
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:34,920
Now a sleeping person might arouse him because they seem, yes.

887
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,000
And that's, so again, it is in the DSM.

888
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,040
Um, it's, I feel like it's a very black and white, I mean, it's not black and white.

889
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:47,280
It's a very gray area with necrophilia because there obviously is something wrong with your

890
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,480
brain and your chemical and like is in balanced.

891
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,360
Your chemicals are in balanced if you are doing that.

892
00:53:53,360 --> 00:54:00,600
Um, however, it's not something that will, that you can definitely not like blame your

893
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:01,600
crimes on that.

894
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,880
You can't go, oh, I just had to kill someone because I like to kill.

895
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,320
Like necrophilia, like the only way to do that is to kill, like that's terrible.

896
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,760
Um, and then it takes me to, you know, Dahmer and Bundy and it was a huge control thing,

897
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,840
especially for Dahmer.

898
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,280
He said, and that's another reason why he started eating his victims, spoiler alert,

899
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,320
Dahmer's a cannibal, even that's not a spoiler alert because everyone knows that.

900
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:29,120
But that's another reason is because he, they both wanted to complete control and even

901
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,600
an unconscious person, you can't control as much as you'd like.

902
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:38,040
And so that's why they started killing and then they kept doing what they were doing.

903
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:46,480
And that again, there is, there's, there's a link there between, um, maybe not just sexual

904
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:52,040
gratification, but again, like you said, control.

905
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:57,240
And when that person is no longer living, that's the ultimate control.

906
00:54:57,240 --> 00:54:58,240
Yeah.

907
00:54:58,240 --> 00:54:59,240
Because they can't eat.

908
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:01,240
He probably felt aroused.

909
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:02,240
Exactly.

910
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:08,760
And one last thing is what Dahmer said, you know, I, I started making them unconscious

911
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,760
that was helping at first, but then they would always wake up and want to leave.

912
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:12,760
Right.

913
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,120
That's why he decided I need to kill this person because then they don't have the choice

914
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:16,640
to leave and they're not going to wake up.

915
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:17,640
You know, that's awful.

916
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:22,760
But anyway, so, um, this guy is a piece of shit and sorry.

917
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,920
And yeah, that's a, that's the story of Wong Cheong.

918
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,520
Wong Cheong and a handbag.

919
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:29,520
Yeah.

920
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:30,720
Thank you for being here with me today.

921
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:35,400
I really was excited to get this recorded and really, really excited to have the opportunity.

922
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:36,600
Well, maybe we'll bring you on.

923
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:41,160
We can do all three of us or something and we can, we can have like a listener kind of

924
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,360
thing or a three way discussion.

925
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:49,640
Anyways, in the meantime, we are going to have some new content next week, but in the

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meantime, you can follow us on Twitter at killer diagnosis.

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We also do have an Instagram setup at diagnosing a killer and I'm working on getting an email

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set up for us so you guys can email us because I want to hear what people have to say.

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Yeah.

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And just to remind her, our thoughts and our hearts go out to Gabby potatoes family.

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Absolutely.

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And everything that they're going to have to deal with for a while.

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And just if anyone were to listen to this and just again, our hearts and our thoughts

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are with you.

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Just hang in there.

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You'll get through it.

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Just be good people.

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That's we have.

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We have to be good people to good things.

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Don't don't murder.

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Don't rape.

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Don't steal.

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Don't lie.

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Just be a decent human.

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Yeah.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Bye.