Hello!
He said it was the same dude.
I'm Kenna.
I'm Koelle.
Welcome back to Diagnosing a Killer.
Our third episode.
Third episode.
Excited.
We're getting some info out there.
Yeah, I know.
So before we get started, I wanted to talk about really quickly the Gabby Petito case because that is something that's currently going on.
People that don't know Gabby Petito was last seen on August 31st reported missing on September 11th.
And she was last seen, it came out later with a body cam of a cop that had pulled her and her boyfriend over.
They were very clearly arguing.
She was very clearly upset.
If I'm not mistaken, I think it was August 12th was the police video of them getting pulled over August 12th.
She got missing on August 31st.
The 24th, 25th was the last known communication, I think, or maybe even the 27th was the last time that she called her parents.
So this police video was recorded before she was reported missing?
I'm sorry, I was under the impression that she was missing.
She was actually not reported missing until the 11th of September that he had been back in Florida laundry.
Brian laundry?
I don't know.
That was a piece of shit tonight.
Laundry.
Only because it looks like landry's.
But he was back in Florida September 1st.
Yeah.
And returned to Florida with Gabby's van.
And they had originally left New York on the 2nd of July.
Wow.
So they were planning on doing a four month cross country tour and the last that Gabby's parents had heard from her was actually in the location that they have neither confirmed nor denied that that's where the remains were found.
Yeah.
And they came out yesterday saying that they had located a body in the area they were searching and if I'm not mistaken that the boyfriend is now unable to be contacted.
He's been quote unquote missing for a few days now.
He's been missing.
Last anyone saw him was the 14th of September but his parents didn't notify police that they're unaware of where he's at since the 17th.
I mean that's just a little suss.
They waited three days before telling anybody that their son is quote unquote missing.
And he was already a person of interest when that happened.
It's not like they had cleared him and then all of a sudden he's gone.
Right.
He was a person of interest and he leaves.
That's or he can't be found.
That seems a little suspect to me.
Yeah.
So he had returned to I think it's Fort Lauderdale with her van that they had left New York in but returned to his parents house in Florida.
With her van without her.
And as far as I know he's never said anything to the police.
The parents have not said anything to the police.
They have a family lawyer that has advised them to just remain silent.
The only thing that they have said is that their hearts go out to the potato family.
That's pretty much it.
And that they hope that Gabby is returned safely.
Well unfortunately it's not looking good.
And for him or of course for her and this is this is just our personal opinions.
We have no idea what happened.
But if anybody does have any information of course contact your local authorities or you know reach out because that's unfair.
You know there's nobody should be ripped away from their parents like that.
Parents shouldn't have to worry about where their child is.
Of course.
Yeah.
So anyways I just wanted to put that out there.
Bring it up because it is something that is currently happening.
Yeah.
So with that being said we are going to jump into this week's case.
I decided to cover with my crunching papers.
The person I decided to cover this week is Wong Chi-Yong.
He is from China.
He was originally from China.
So there are a lot of names in here that I had to look up the pronunciations because I wanted to be accurate in the way that I was saying things.
If I say anything wrong please correct me if you know if not I do apologize but I'm trying my best.
Aren't we all?
So anyways so Wong Chi-Yong was born on January 16th 1975.
Capricorn.
In Liaoning China there was actually no names of his parents that were found and it was actually an interesting thing that I noticed when I was going through the research that it's very hard to find names of any of his victims.
Maybe there's like a few in there but there's not a lot of information about.
I think mostly it was because all the information was translated from Chinese to English and a lot of it got lost in translation.
I think also maybe their media laws are a little bit different than the US.
So as far as victims go.
And I think that so in the way that Americans kind of I don't want to say idolize but for lack of a better term idolize serial killers or you know really big criminals and they have a lot of social media coverage about it.
I think that's if I'm not mistaken in China or Asian countries in general that's really found upon and they're like hell no we're not going to give this guy anymore attention that he deserves or that he needs so we're going to put this.
They're not.
I mean other than in the last I would say a few decades but they are like a collectivism type of a country not an individualism country so with them to focus on the individuals.
Yeah that's a little bit more taboo than in the US.
Yes it's more like the greater good.
Yeah.
I apologize for the movement of my papers.
She does.
She did it on purpose.
I did this all on purpose.
Oh.
Okay.
So his dad was by all accounts a raging alcoholic and gambling addict.
So during Wong's childhood if his dad won gambling he would go home and drink to celebrate.
But if he didn't win game.
Hi daddy.
We're recording our podcast.
Hi dad.
He just came in.
Celebrity guest host dad.
So if he didn't actually that's funny we're talking about his dad and dad walked in at the same time.
If Wong's dad won his gambling that night he would go home and he would drink to celebrate.
However if he didn't win gambling he would go home and mercilessly beat his wife and Wong.
I think he was an only child which I mean I don't think that means that he needs to be beaten but apparently apparently that's how dad felt.
So after a while of course the wife had enough of the abuse and she firmly filed for divorce.
Which if I'm not mistaken is probably not a very easy thing to do especially in 1970s China.
Yeah.
You know that's a feat you know and good for her for leaving.
However she left Wong there with the dad so she didn't really give a shit about what happened to him.
She just wanted yeah she just wanted out.
Of course his dad continued to drink and gamble as usual and then he ultimately decided that he just didn't want to take care of Wong anymore.
So he gave him to his grandparents to take care of and figure it out.
You know here's my son.
As you do.
As one does.
So when Wong turned 13 the grandparents also decided that they did not want to take care of him.
So he's just being bounced around from people that are supposed to love him be his family and they're just like yeah.
And he's how old?
He is 13 at this time.
Okay.
So formidable years.
Yeah seriously that's when a lot of your mental cognitive shit is being developed.
And maturing.
Exactly.
I mean this is what you're taught and the playbook that is given to you.
You know as a young adult.
That sounded really good.
You should leave that in there.
I'm gonna leave that in there.
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It's called Pocca Vanilla Coffee.
Sponsor us.
Yeah.
Pocca sponsor us all the way from Singapore.
So going back to when Wong turned 13 the grandparents again decided they did not want him around.
So they sent him to school.
Which I thought was a little weird because shouldn't he already be in school?
But it was one of those things that might have gotten lost in translation.
Maybe they took him out of school and sent him to work rather.
It's hard to know.
Yeah or maybe it was in all boys school.
Yeah I sent him to a specific school.
So while in school his father had actually gotten arrested for his something to do with gambling and alcohol addiction.
And his classmates got wind of the fact that his dad was in prison and they began making fun of him for it.
So he's just getting all the shit turned at him.
And I want to be very clear.
Feel bad for the kid.
Don't feel bad for the adult because he turns into a piece of shit.
Because of this problem at school, Wong was forced to drop out because he was just being bullied and buried it all the time.
When he left school his parents were noted as saying something along the lines of again lost in translation.
But this is the quote it said, quote many people go to die.
Why not see you die?
I don't know what that means but that's what the quote said.
Repeat it.
Many people go to die.
Why not see you die?
So what do you think that means?
Because I didn't know.
I just thought it was interesting to put and see your thoughts.
Give me that second.
Maybe they sent him to a school expecting him to not recover from it and come back and they were like why didn't you like fuck off when we sent you to school and die is like a loose term?
Well in some cultures dying like okay so like in tarot cards the death card doesn't mean that you actually die or someone dies.
It means the end of something and then a rebirth potentially.
So I wonder if like people go die and maybe are created differently.
Yeah.
So why not create you differently?
Yeah.
Yeah it was just interesting.
I didn't hear or didn't read anything else about that but I just thought that was interesting to put in.
So after this conversation he's 15 at this time.
He leaves home and goes out on his own at 15 because he's clearly not wanted.
He felt abandoned his whole childhood.
Yeah.
Especially by his mom and his dad and of course his grandparents.
So we're going to fast forward into 1991.
He has what I think is his first arrest for stealing and he gets sent to jail.
He's in jail for this arrest. He wrote his mother because he was really missing her but he never got a reply.
So again being drilled into his mind that nobody really gives a shit about him.
Yeah so he tried to reach out to them or her at least?
Yes and she never responded.
He sent her multiple letters.
Assuming an adult at this point.
He's 16 at this time.
Oh 16.
Well it's still a child.
Yeah and you're just ignoring him.
Oh my gosh.
And it's not like he's a child in like the 1920s.
A child in the 90s.
Yeah.
How do you not care for a 16 year old at that point?
It's awful.
So it was at this point of course when he realized, well he knew before but he realized his mother,
like his father did not care to speak with him or notice him at all.
So he was eventually let out of jail and of course he was very angry.
Nothing but anger on his mind.
So he, this is when it just immediately jumped into his like harsh crimes.
And trigger warning this does get kind of bad as it goes on.
So I just want to let everyone know.
So he was out one day and he saw a young couple under a tree kissing.
Just you know what couple, couple shit you know what they do.
Just couple shit.
I couldn't find ages of the couple but it seemed by everything,
and it all accounts that they were pretty young.
If they're down at a lover's lane then it's likely that they're in their teens, early 20s.
And he's 16 so is he going to target like 30 year olds?
Probably not.
So it seems that this is his first murder from the timeline and it happened on January 22nd, 1955.
So this is six days after his 20th birthday.
So after approaching this couple again, trigger warning,
he raped the young girl and robbed both of them.
He later said that he wasn't planning on killing anybody,
but then the boy cried and begged quote please don't kill me I still have my parents.
Of course that triggered Wong because he doesn't have his parents.
So when he heard that he lost it because of his own personal relationship
or lack thereof with his parents and he stabbed the boy to death.
Wow.
I'm not sure why he had a knife if he wasn't planning on killing anyone or harming anyone, but you know.
I mean this is also the 90s where a 16 year old can't legally purchase a gun,
not that he wouldn't be able to acquire one,
but it was probably the only thing maybe he had to not only maybe defend himself
if he didn't really feel like he was in a very secure spot as far as where he lived.
He might have had it for protection, but it's also a great way to use it in an offense.
That's true.
We're gonna fast forward five years later in the year 2000.
Wong got married to a young woman, so he seemed to be turning his life around doing what he does.
But they had to draw up an agreement between the two of them
that stated that he would not steal from or murder people.
So she clearly knew what type of piece of shit this guy was.
What kind of a freed up is that?
Literally.
And yeah, um, shocker, spoiler alert, he couldn't keep up his end of the deal.
He's got alimony goggles.
Yeah, so they ultimately divorced in 2003,
but he actually gets arrested in 2003.
So the entire time that they were together, this was when he was doing the bulk of his horrific crimes.
Really?
Yes.
So within three years?
Yes.
This is the timeline of his crimes?
So he started his first kill in 1995.
I read somewhere else that it was 92.
So, and again, he has over 50 murders and hundreds probably of rapes in his bank.
So there's a lot that I didn't include because it's so much information
and it's kind of repetitive because he has the same MO.
And I didn't want to, you know, it was a lot of information to kind of relay and jot down.
It would have gone on for hours.
And so starting in the mid, I'm sorry, early to mid 90s.
Yes.
When he was 16.
15, 16, 17.
And then it goes until 2003.
I think he was, I mean, what, he's 28 maybe when he gets arrested?
Wow.
Yeah.
So of course, he wasn't able to keep up his end of the deal with his wife.
So they ultimately divorced in 2003 when the wife, of course, made the decision to leave him.
Well, I should hope so, Karen.
Yeah.
Get it together, Mary.
So we're going to fill in the gaps from the year 2000 to 2003 because I told you he was finally caught in 2003.
I wasn't able to find a perfect timeline or description of his crimes because, like I said, everything had been translated.
So I'm going to do my best from what I understood from the information.
And there's again some more quotes in there that don't necessarily make sense to us in our language.
So we'll try to translate those.
The first murder after his marriage mentioned was at a laundromat.
And again, information got lost.
So I read that he went to do laundry and got an argument with either a man or a woman.
It said both.
After the argument he left, well, then he returned and stabbed whoever he had been arguing with previously to death.
Don't know what the argument was about.
And it's still not clear if it was a man or a woman he was arguing with.
In the middle of the day.
Yeah, just at the laundromat.
Just doing laundry, normal hot girl shit, you know.
Oh my God.
So another murder mentioned said that he met five men and asked them for money.
Because remember, robbing is part of his MO at this point.
It seems as though one of the guys asked him, are you sick?
Maybe he was acting wild or maybe a little crazy and they asked him if he was sick.
And he responded by stabbing the man to death.
The man that asked the question.
Maybe it was, yeah, me asking like if he's crazy.
Like are you crazy?
Yeah.
So it is mentioned that he never left a witness, but it's also not mentioned if these other four men got away or if they were even there.
Because again, the five men could have been another typo or miscommunication.
It could have just been one man.
But it didn't say anything else about these other men that were mentioned.
So he typically doesn't do it in front of people?
Yeah, if there's a witness, they're gonna die because he's not getting caught.
You know, he doesn't want to, of course.
It is mentioned, however, that because he never left a witness, he was very, quote, hard to detect from police.
It is mentioned multiple times that Wong had a quote, stable psychological quality and that he was able to quote, eat and sleep soundly when he kills someone.
So he...
Is that a stable quality?
Yeah, that's not very stable.
Is that stable?
If you have to murder someone to sleep better at night?
No, I think what they were saying was he was able to murder someone and then like it didn't affect his eating or sleeping later on.
Yeah, but how is that a stable quality?
I don't know.
I mean, I, you know, I'm sure I would sleep better if I did some heroin.
You don't see me out there doing heroin.
Heron?
Heron.
So during this time, it's also mentioned that he had been prosecuted before.
I don't know when I think it might have been when they were looking for suspects or just for other, I don't know, suspected things.
And during his arrest, he only admitted to pretending to be a police officer and he refused to confess to any other crimes.
And then it was noted that after the interrogation, he's still ate and sat in the interrogation chair and fell asleep.
That must be something again, like when you think culturally, not that that wouldn't shock any culture.
Maybe that's just something that is typical of someone who is having maybe a mental breakdown or someone who is maybe out of sorts and they are so remorseful or, you know, have remorse.
So they feel sick.
They don't want to eat.
They don't want to sleep.
Yeah.
I mean, I wouldn't be able to eat either.
Even if I hurt or killed somebody in self-defense, it would ruin me.
An accident.
Yeah, exactly.
It would ruin me.
Yeah.
Which means he's not stable.
I think that it's just, yeah, it's furthering their point that this is not normal.
So this is still the year 2000 in the summer.
So Wong climbed up to a building in the west tower of Shenyang, which had just finished construction.
I think it was a housing unit of some sort or an apartment complex because it says that he saw a woman sleeping in the living room in a second floor house.
And he also saw that in the next room over, there were about seven or eight migrant workers also sleeping.
So it's like he could see, maybe it was a hotel, he could see into the windows of these places and see that people were sleeping, like from across the way.
That doesn't strike me as much as knowing that he's scouted it.
Like that's creepy.
Now, he snuck into the house and quietly approached the woman's bed and hit her on the head with an iron pipe.
And again, trigger warning, this is bad.
At this time, she was still alive and he turned her clothes over and raped her.
It was mentioned that he didn't receive any money from her because he didn't care to rob her, but he left.
It also wasn't mentioned if she lived or died, but I believe that she died because, again, he doesn't leave people.
He doesn't leave witnesses.
Yes. So it was interesting to me at this point because it almost seems like, and this is terrible, but it almost seems like he's now exchanging the robberies for rape.
His motive is not money anymore. He wants to rape people.
Yeah.
So he doesn't care to check their pockets or try to search their house for money.
Well, maybe at one point it was necessary for him to rob people.
Yeah.
He was just out of survival, but now it's no longer survival.
I need this.
Yeah.
Primal.
Yeah.
So he leaves by climbing down a scaffolding outside.
Like, I guess he's like scaling the wall.
Like, what the fuck?
And when he reached the ground, like, that's so weird.
When he reached the ground, he actually spotted a cop car approaching and he was like, oh shit.
So he quickly threw the pipe that he had used and the knife that he had on him.
They called it a pig knife and I looked it up.
I even asked Casey, I was like, what the hell is a pig knife?
And he's like, I don't know.
And I'm like, if you don't know what that is, like, it's a knife to kill a pig.
Yeah.
It's literally what it was.
It's like a short, straight knife, like a stabbing knife pretty much, which is awful.
So he threw that down.
I don't know if he's where he threw it.
He threw it obviously away from him.
But at this point, several officers approached him and searched him.
Well, when they asked him what he was doing, he said he came to work outside the city,
which made sense because he was on the outskirts.
Well, when asked why he was in the street at night because it was dark, he said, quote,
I'm hungry, go downstairs and buy some food.
So he was saying, like, oh, I got hungry and I wanted to come down here and get some food.
And they were like, OK, and just let him go.
Have a nice night.
Yeah.
Good day, sir.
And they said, he just seemed cool, calm and collected.
And they were like, all right, bye.
And how do you not have a drop of blood on you when you stab somebody or, I'm sorry, hit somebody with an iron pipe?
I mean, I mean, again, we don't know the context, but it is described as being very dark outside.
That's true.
You know, who knows?
Yeah.
Now, in May of the year 2000, along the South Canal and Xiangyang, the grass was very lush.
They noted it because when the sun went down, people came out of their houses to breathe.
They said the rare fresh air, which is awful because the air is, the quality is terrible over there.
But people wanted to go out and enjoy the night.
So this is actually when the first, one of the first times I noticed that they included names of the victims.
So I'll include them here.
A man by the name of Uncle Jaya, it's J-I-A, I think it's Uncle Jaya, was walking along the canal when he came across.
Sorry?
Jia.
Uncle Jia was walking along the canal when he came across two bodies lying in the grass.
He, of course, immediately called the police who determined the victims were a young man and a young woman.
This guy, was it Uncle Jia?
Yeah.
Like he was just, that was his nickname?
Like Uncle Bob, I guess?
But he was known to be like the uncle.
He's the cool Uncle Jia.
Yeah, hell yeah.
The investigation found that these two victims were 20 year old Wong, same name as our killer.
He was male and then 20 year old you was a female.
They were in town from another place that was not named, it was not clear if they were a couple or not,
but they both died by stab wounds to the chest which pierced their hearts, which I thought was interesting because
you gotta kinda know like where to stab, the heart is not where people think it is.
That is interesting, yeah.
The young woman was also raped, but it didn't state whether it was pre or post-mortem because now he's moving into necrophilia.
It's known later.
And after this there were frequent brutal homicides and rapes around that same area that shocked the police because it was frequently occurring.
Now, July of the year 2000, Wong was wandering the outskirts of Kei-Yuan and he approached the house of a chicken farm where three people were sleeping inside.
It definitely seems like modus operandi is if they're sleeping or I mean it's kinda moving into that, right?
Yeah, and they're vulnerable. They're young, they're usually caught off guard, it's dark, you know, not a good situation.
It's noted that the three people inside was a girl of about 17 or 18 years old and a couple.
So Wong approached the man and hit him on the temple and then he quote, padded the heads of the two women flatly.
So I think he beat their heads pretty much to a pulp. That sounds bad, but that's what it seems.
And then it was noted that the three died without making a sound because he did it very quickly.
Trigger warning again.
Wong then dragged the young girl, I'm sorry, it didn't say which girl. One of the women he dragged to the yard and then raped her.
This is post-mortem, so now he's moving into necrophilia, which is fucking disgusting.
Once again, the money remained in the house so he doesn't want to rob anymore. He's not interested in that.
Yeah, that's not what he seeks to gain any longer.
After this, he threw the pickaxe on the ground and left the scene. So he's now leaving his weapons that he's using, the murder weapons just at the scene or around the scene, which is really fucking ballsy.
I was just about to say not only that, but he's choosing couple victims or now people of three.
For instance, that woman that she was sleeping in and there was about six, seven other workers in the next room, that's really ballsy.
Yeah, it's almost like he wants to get caught or he wants a challenge or something. The couple thing freaks me out.
I feel so safe with Casey, but people target couples that's so scary. And then when I hear stories like this and then the victim's 80 or the victim's 50, it's like nobody's safe.
Anybody could become a murder victim. It's unfortunate, but anybody could. It does not matter your gender, your age, your situation.
That's like night stalker.
Literally. Yeah, and that's that is insane to me. I always find that very interesting. It's got to be for them like a sense of like a sick sense of accomplishment, but that they can control or have power and dominance over two people.
Of course. And especially when there's a man involved.
A male and a female.
Like I think that it was the original night stalker. It's not Richard Ramirez, but the Green River rapist and then they turn him to the I don't think it's Green River, but either way he was the one that would go in when the couple was sleeping and they would he would stack the dishes on the husband's back and
he would rape the woman in the next room and he was like if you move the dishes like y'all are both dead. And at first he was just raping and leaving with and he ended up killing but that's scary. I can't imagine being in that situation.
So after this again he threw the pickaxe on the ground and he left the scene. He didn't go far though because the killer always comes back to the scene of the crime and he hid somewhere to watch the police work the scene.
So extra balls.
This guy got big old balls.
Big ass balls.
God damn. Wendy Saperstein's a big old bitch.
Or Karl Pans right. Hey you look like a big bitch. You look like a big bitch. You want a job?
Alright. Another account.
Wong snuck into a bungalow and saw a husband and wife at home.
Wong approached the husband and stabbed him twice without killing him and then proceeded to rape the wife in front of him, which is, oh I can't even imagine.
After this he actually did not kill the pair but he also didn't leave. He just hung out at the house for a few hours.
Like just chatted up with these people. They're probably shitting themselves.
Same thing with the Green River. He would eat food out of their fridge and rearrange their furniture and shit.
This is around the same time. I think the Green River, oh maybe he was in the 70s.
But still within like a couple like 30 years, maybe he was, I don't know, if he got wind.
Cappie cat.
Yeah. So we stayed at the house for more than three hours. It's not known exactly how this time was spent but I'm sure a lot of it was probably continuing to rape the wife.
Maybe talking shit, watching TV, drinking beer, whatever.
At one point he packed up their TV, planning to steal it. Like he was getting it ready to steal. I don't know how you pack up a TV unless the box was just there.
On his back?
I don't know. So he spent some time chatting with the couple and finally it came up. He asked if the man had any children.
And this freaked me out when I saw that because I was like, oh hell no. Don't do it. Don't do it.
Leave the babies alone.
Literally. And the man responded saying that he had a son but the son was not there at the time. Thank God.
It was at this time that Wang said something along the lines of, quote, your son is killing him.
Your son is killing him.
Maybe he meant your son is killing you. Like because you have a son I'm going to kill you is what I think that meant.
Yeah. Or maybe in some type of a way, you know, if his son was an only child, maybe that child would be a burden to him as a parent.
And Wang proceeded to lunge at the man to attempt to kill him and the man resisted.
Well, luckily the man's younger brother actually lived next door and he heard the struggle and he came over and scared Wong away.
And so this is one of the rare occasions when his two victims did not die. They were left alive.
Wow. So did they get like a testimony from these people?
I couldn't find anything about the trial at all.
I know, but how lucky, not lucky, but like what a badass the younger brother is to come over and stop that.
I mean, he could have easily been the third victim. If that guy had a gun, if Wong had a gun and the brother came over, he should have shot all three of them.
For sure. Or if he was ballsy enough, he could have just, I mean, had the third man too.
That's true.
But it does seem like it's either male-female or two-female, I'm sorry, two females and a male.
It's not two males because that's not as easy, I guess. I don't know.
Now it's noted that Wong was very good at disguising himself.
When committing his crimes, he would dress up as a migrant worker with torn clothes to not draw attention.
I feel like you meant like a mustache and like glasses.
He's like, did that man mask? Oh, who is he?
Oh, no! Who's that guy?
So he was known for having a lot of really nice suits, I guess, because he stole a bunch of money.
But he kept them at the dry cleaners to not show that he owned that stuff. Maybe if his house was searched, they would be like, oh, this isn't the guy.
Or maybe, I don't know, that sounds silly because if he had the suits and the guy was known in torn clothes, maybe it would have been...
Well, okay, so maybe he wore like migrant worker clothes when committing crimes.
He did.
Right, so, but he would keep his suits at the dry clothes.
Maybe he didn't want to potentially cross-contaminate. Like, if he had any blood on his like migrant clothes, he didn't want to get his suits dirty.
That's true, because hey, homie, I'm walking down the street in a suit right now. You, you know, interrogate me and take me to a police station.
You collect my clothing, you're not going to find shit.
Or, yeah, you're not going to even question me because it's known that the assailant has torn clothes.
You know that these people, the woman that got raped and the brother and the guy, they're telling cops what happened and they're explaining what he was wearing, you know?
He's a migrant worker, not a man in a suit.
Exactly.
And I haven't even looked in his direction.
So he was known for frequently after committing his crimes, he would go pick up one of his suits, put on a pair of good leather shoes and would go to a hotel sauna to just, you know, decompress after a long day of murdering.
Like, that's terrible.
I know.
This is a real shitty day at the office.
Fucking hard day, dude. God, these people got away and, oh, what a piece of shit.
Another distinguishing factor of his was that he was very cunning, which unfortunately a lot of serial killers are very meticulous in planning and cunning and it really sucks.
Because they're, yeah, my boys wicked smart.
So he was able to tell between regular citizens and cops very easily.
There was like multiple attempts at like staying operations where cops would dress up as migrant workers and he knew every fucking time that they were cops.
Wow.
And he never slipped up, even though they looked just like anybody else would on the street, like Joe Schmo over there.
And he wasn't, I mean, he was out of school by 15, 16 years old.
He didn't hardly have a education.
Actually, I, sorry, I can scream, actually.
I actually read in another source that he was out of school.
He went through first grade and he went through like a week of second grade and that's when he left school, which is interesting because we talked about how his grandparents sent him to school at 13.
Maybe we were right.
Maybe it was in all boys or maybe it was a reform school or something.
A reform school, yeah.
So he really didn't have an education.
I mean, especially with when you're talking about the translation, it could have been a, you know, one of those working farms.
Exactly.
You know, where they, like you said, like a reform school.
Exactly.
Where he would have to do manual labor.
Yeah.
So that, again, that makes it even scarier that he has all of this street knowledge with hardly any background in education.
That's somebody who's, it's interesting because when you talk about people that have, you know, psychosis issues or psychological issues or even social issues for someone to, you know,
someone to study that in a way that's, that helps them keep moitering, you know?
I mean, it's just insane that it just, it's, it's the power of the human mind.
Of course.
And he, you can tell that he is a listener.
He listens to everything around him.
He's very observant.
And I think that really unfortunately helped him get away with these crimes for so long.
So yeah, one time there was a sting operation and some policeman in plain clothes,
this pretended to be migrant workers, but were spotted by Wong.
Other efforts included, included police dressing up as quote, lovers like couples or male officers dressing up as women even to try to trip him up.
But he noticed every time.
Wow.
Yeah.
Police later said that his biggest tactic was to be quote, calm and hard talking.
And he used this to escape police and be let go.
So he was very calm and he was very like, no, like everything he said was fact, you know?
And that's really easy to manipulate.
It's not easy to manipulate, but that's a way to manipulate people into thinking that,
well, why are we going to question this guy?
He's right.
You know, he knows what he's talking about.
That's a dangerous quality.
When someone, that's how people become really good liars is they, it's almost like lying by omission.
It's like you, you tell all of the truth.
It's like, you're just like, you're leaving the truth out.
You're right.
It's like, it's like,
You're picking and choosing.
Exactly.
It's like Lucifer.
The show Lucifer, he never lies.
Don't tell me about it because I have a graphic novel and I want to read it.
It's not going to ruin anything, but he never lies.
But he doesn't, if he, if he doesn't want to tell the truth, he just doesn't say anything.
That's lying.
That's living stuff.
Yeah.
And that's really scary.
And that's another way like in like emotionally manipulative relationships, you know, you're
gonna, that's what gaslighting is.
You're going to tell somebody something so many times and you're going to say it in a
way that they're going to start to believe it, even if it's fake or true or untrue.
You know, now September 19th, 2000, a man and a woman were found dead in the West Bank
of the North Canal in Ling King Lane, Shanglu, Shanglu.
This couple was much older than Wong's MO.
He's like his usual victims, consisting of Lee, who was a 57 year old male, and you,
who is a 41 year old female.
Lee, the male, lived on hard working lane, and you lived on, I think it's a gong-nong
road.
When police arrived, they found that both victims had knives in their left chest and
left neck.
So he had stabbed both of them.
He killed both of them?
With two different knives each and left the knives in their bodies.
See that?
How do you not say that that's premeditated?
Oh, of course it is.
Again, ballsy.
There's no fingerprints on those knives, I bet.
There's probably not.
So both of the knives, again, pierced each victim's heart, so very precise, and the female
victim was raped, seemingly post-mortem.
Lastly, both of their pockets were actually turned over, so he did try to check them for
cash, and then Lee's bicycle was actually stolen.
So he had been seen riding the bicycle earlier, and the bicycle was not anywhere near the
scene.
So it's like Wong took it to escape, I guess, to get out faster, maybe?
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Maybe he was potentially spotted, or maybe got scared, and had to take off real quick.
So this is early morning, October 17th, 2002, which is Eminem's birthday.
I don't know why I know that, but it is Marshall Mathers.
What?
Eminem, Marshall Mathers?
What was his birthday?
October 17th.
Oh.
So October 17th, 2002, a citizen found the bodies of a man and woman in the botanical
gardens of a college in Shungyang.
These victims were also older, with the male Lee being 52, and the woman Chen being 52
as well.
So they're both older this time again.
Wong had stabbed Lee in the neck twice, and Chen in the neck and back three times.
Again, punctured in the heart.
Do you think that maybe he's switching up his MO?
So he's not so predictable?
Well, maybe they're saying, you know, maybe not only in that age range are people becoming
scarce because of the crimes, because those people are more likely to stay indoors or
be more vigilant.
That's true.
Yeah, oh, he's killing young people.
All the young people are going to be not going around those areas.
Right, or maybe he heard a report that people were looking, you know, for someone committing
crimes in that age bracket.
So he's like, well, shit, I gotta fuck some shit up.
Let me go kill someone that's not in that age bracket.
Well, that's even scarier too, because now you don't know his MO.
Now he's all over the board, and he can literally do anything, and you don't know he's unpredictable.
It's freaky.
So both of them were punctured in the main arteries again, the heart and in the neck.
So he got there carotid.
So he knows something about the human body and the way that thing where things are.
It is not easy to find the carotid artery in the neck.
And both of them were punctured again, causing them to bleed and bleed to death very quickly.
Chen was also raped as well, and the bike that she was seen with earlier was taken.
So this is the second bicycle.
Now he's a bike thief?
Yeah.
This guy is all over the board.
That's the worst of all.
He's a bike thief out of anything.
All over the board.
Yeah.
Now he's just often people with bikes.
These canal rapes, robberies, and you want to, I'm going to say that really quick, because
this is even, that's even scarier, because you're on a bike.
You think that you're safe.
You can get away from somebody quicker.
If you're riding your bike, no one's going to fuck with me because I can get away.
Wrong.
That's terrifying.
It is.
So these canal rapes, robberies, and murders continue to occur frequently attracting the
attention of the Xiangyang multiple municipal police security bureau.
That's a mouthful.
After investigating, they came to the thought that this was a single person, most likely
a migrant worker.
So his clothing.
So it's working.
Yep.
It's fucking working and it sucks.
They also noted that the assailant used a single edge knife that was either 10 centimeters
or more in length and that he was targeting couples whom he could rob.
So yeah, that's true.
But remember, he stopped caring about the money after he started raping.
So other than the inside out pockets.
But again, if he's switching up his MO, maybe there wasn't anything in their pockets.
Maybe he did it on purpose to make it look like robbery was motive.
I don't know how that's possible when you leave two knives in people's necks.
Yeah, seriously.
And how many knives does this guy fucking have?
I don't know.
He's here in our cell.
He's just like leaving knives and getting more.
Well, I mean, if he's stealing knives, then he has an unlimited supply of knives.
Maybe he was looking for knives in their pockets.
That's very true.
The police bureau identified this case as the serial number 54 case in 2002, and it
was all hands on deck.
Now I think that serial number 54 is interesting because it almost seems to me like this is
the 54th case that they've had that involves a serial murderer.
And that's why they named it that.
And I was like, oh, that's interesting.
Like they don't, they don't give these guys credit as like, it was a gooby, new rivier
killer.
Like they don't give them a cool name.
They're like, oh no, bitch, your number 54 and we're coming to get your ass.
Collectiveism, for sure.
They don't want to give these people individual power.
Not at all.
The police launched a 24 hour surveillance patrol in canals and parks around the area.
There were large numbers of plain cloth police officers undercover trying to be, you know,
bait or whatever, you know, trying to blend in.
This went on for weeks with no outcome.
So it's now July 2003.
Police have decided to launch a vigorous special struggle called the 100 days battle is what
they called it.
They've been trying to find this guy.
They named it the 100 days battle.
They won't, they won't give the guy a nickname, but they'll give the special ops.
They'll give themselves credit.
It's the 100 day battle.
Well, they're part of a group.
Yep, that's true.
They identified this case as the number three public case.
So it was like third on their list of like, we need to catch this fucker.
So as it was like America's most wanted, he'd be third.
Who are the other two assholes?
Right now I want to know, like, who did something worse than this?
Like, the police set up two fronts, one to have undercover officers patrol and conducted
investigation solely to find out what he looked like.
They're just trying to figure out what this guy looks like.
Well, I'm sure there's varying descriptions.
Of course.
And we've seen with even with the little names that we found, there's a lot of people
with very similar names, actually the same name.
Who knows?
Like everyone eyewitnesses accounts is different, you know, that's why it's so hard to rely
on eyewitness accounts because everyone saw something different.
Of course.
He had a beard, no he didn't.
He had glasses, no he didn't.
You know, it's in your memory you cannot even trust sometimes.
Already eyewitness accounts are heavily scrutinized just because people remember things differently.
They're all different.
It's all perspective based.
Yeah, exactly.
So tie in the fact that he also uses disguises.
Mm-hmm.
Forget about it.
So the second, so I said they set up two fronts, that's the one to find out their appearance.
And the other one was to carry out in-depth criminal activities in various suspected sites
in the area.
So they were committing crimes themselves to like lure him in.
Like, ooh, there's some crime over here.
Come on.
You know, the crime over here is like dangling it.
I got knives.
The assailant holding a joint in the villainous way.
I swear, I am not a cop.
Yeah.
So while getting information gathered, the police decided to start talking to inmates
to see if they knew anything.
Smart.
Because he's been previously arrested.
He has a record.
He might know somebody that's incarcerated.
But how would they even know who they were looking for?
Well, they just started talking around, did you hear anybody come in and brag about certain
things that they've done?
Or did you hear from the woodwork, whatever?
So this is when, and they talked to a number of people, but this is the guy that I noted.
They began talking to a detainee named Zhao.
Zhao is his name.
Z-H-A-O, Zhao, I looked at him.
He was arrested for stealing a motorcycle.
So a really fast bicycle.
He was arrested.
So that's similar to Wang's bicycle.
I see how this is connected.
So Zhao was reported, I'm sorry.
So Zhao reported a man named Wang.
Right off the bat, obviously not.
It wasn't like, oh, it's Wang.
Like he immediately said it, but somehow in their conversations, they landed on this
guy.
And he said that this man was in his 30s, that he is cruel and he has robbed the park many
times.
He often carries knives and wears a pair of yellow rubber boots while riding a bike.
Very specific.
Yellow rubber boots.
And I wonder if that's to make sure he's clean after he does this.
And there's, unfortunately, rubber boots are very easy to clean.
I was going to say, yellow rubber boots are my name of rain boots.
And now all I can think is my group worker with bright yellow rain boots.
And how silly that must look.
We'll get this.
Riding a bicycle.
So according to Zhao, he saw Wang holding a bloody necklace and a very expensive watch.
And Wang said that he had robbed somebody and snatched it from them.
Now he also said that back in summer of 2001, Wang had apparently asked Zhao if he would
rob somebody with him or if he would do it for him.
And in the same area that the police are now searching, same area this is two years before.
So he attempted to get Zhao as like a cohort.
That's what I was thinking.
Did you hear the movie?
You said at the exact same time it sounded like the same person talking.
We're going to have to listen back to that because that was really weird.
So he was pretty much trying to recruit Zhao as like a cohort.
Yes.
Okay.
Yes.
Now, Wang told Zhao about his robbery experiences and how it was much easier to get away with
when it was raining.
Isn't that creepy because he wears the rain boots and it makes sense.
So all of this stuff is making sense.
It's not this is Zhao guy just making some shit up to like less time or whatever.
Yeah, there's validity.
So on July 3rd, 2003, investigators attempted to find and arrest Wang but were unsuccessful
in locating him.
But now they know like this is the guy we want at least to hold in question.
You know, July 14th, 2003, Hala, it's not birthday.
And the motherfucking got arrested, police returned to their hotspot only to find Wang
near where his mother's home was located actually was where they found him.
Who knows what he was planning.
If it's I don't even know if his mom's so alive at this point.
But either way, it affected him.
So I guess there was like a little market area around here because it was crowded but
they didn't want to like freak him out of course.
And so they slipped into the crowd and nabbed him amongst the crowd of people like kind
of quietly.
After the arrest, Wang explained all of his crimes in detail since 1992.
He accurately remembered the time and place and victim of each crime.
That gave me goosebumps when I said that.
Seriously.
That is so fucking creepy.
How do you first of all, I can't even remember what time I woke up today or what I had for
dinner last night.
Dude didn't even bat on fucking eyelash.
He was just like.
And he's eating and sleeping the whole time.
Good for him.
He kept his stamina up.
No, but that's crazy.
The fact that this dude was just like, oh, caught me.
Here's everything I've ever done.
Here's my life fucking story.
So that's why another thing I'm like, I feel like he kind of wanted to get caught.
It was like a game to him and like that's why he targeted people, left the murder weapons,
came back to watch the police work the scene.
But he's like, oh, they didn't get me this time.
Let me just kill again.
Maybe they'll get me next time.
Yeah.
So after many years, police were finally able to solve the full crime where they reported
that Wong committed over 30 crimes and killed over 50 people.
Again, I of course didn't mention all of those.
You can find them if you look, but this was a very hard case to research.
There was not a lot of information on it.
And they did that on purpose because they don't want to target or to individualize him.
Like you said, they also, it's known that he was, he was called the Bundy of China.
Right.
Um, so they dubbed him serial number 54.
That's what they dubbed him.
That was his name.
And he finally went to trial in March, 2005.
He was sentenced to death and executed in that same year in 2005.
In the same year.
You know how long it takes people to die from death on death row here in America?
They, it's like, people have been on death row for like 30 years.
Like, let's go, let's, let's, I'm sorry.
I agree with that.
Like that's what I'm thinking about.
If you have somebody dead to rights, I don't understand why they need to be on death row
for 40 fucking years.
So that's the crazy life and crimes of Wong Chi-Yong.
Um, however, this podcast is about mental illness.
And the reason that I began researching his case is because he was on a list of top five
killers who are mentally ill.
Um, unfortunately, I didn't find out until later that he is listed as mentally ill because
he's a necrophiliac.
He doesn't have any diagnosis, which is why I said earlier, feel bad for the kid, don't
feel bad for the adult.
He's a piece of shit.
This isn't like Andre Thomas where he's literally insane hallucinating, seeing things.
He is a monster.
And he asked for help of quite a few times.
Yes.
So I just wanted to really quickly, I know necrophilia is a very hard thing to hear about
and learn about, but I do want to shed some light on why they are saying that he's mentally
ill because he was involved in necrophilia.
So I was under the impression that necrophilia was not in the DSM.
Apparently it is.
It is.
And I did not know that.
Um, so it says here, necrophilia, which is frequently taken to mean a sexual attraction
to corpses is defined by the DSM-5, which I have a copy of because I love it, as an
other specified paraphilic disorder involving recurrent and intense sexual interest in
corpses.
However, since necrophilia was first documented on Kraft Ebbing's psychopathia sexualis,
there has been a lot of variation discovered in those who engage in this behavior and subsequently
many attempts to produce a cohesive classification.
So it's very, very broad.
Yeah, um, with the definition of paraphilic as being a classified disorder, um, that if
I'm not mistaken, it is you only find sexual gratification through that process, that it
is linked to erectile dysfunction.
Like you cannot perform sexually without that.
Yeah.
So, um, yeah.
But then I don't feel like that's in Wang's case.
I don't feel like that's true though because remember he raped his victims.
Because before he murdered them.
Right, but he was also, um, he liked not only, well, I agree with you at the beginning, there
was the essence of surprise, but it was also robbery and stuff.
But as his modus operandi grew, it turned into sleeping.
Now a sleeping person might arouse him because they seem, yes.
And that's, so again, it is in the DSM.
Um, it's, I feel like it's a very black and white, I mean, it's not black and white.
It's a very gray area with necrophilia because there obviously is something wrong with your
brain and your chemical and like is in balanced.
Your chemicals are in balanced if you are doing that.
Um, however, it's not something that will, that you can definitely not like blame your
crimes on that.
You can't go, oh, I just had to kill someone because I like to kill.
Like necrophilia, like the only way to do that is to kill, like that's terrible.
Um, and then it takes me to, you know, Dahmer and Bundy and it was a huge control thing,
especially for Dahmer.
He said, and that's another reason why he started eating his victims, spoiler alert,
Dahmer's a cannibal, even that's not a spoiler alert because everyone knows that.
But that's another reason is because he, they both wanted to complete control and even
an unconscious person, you can't control as much as you'd like.
And so that's why they started killing and then they kept doing what they were doing.
And that again, there is, there's, there's a link there between, um, maybe not just sexual
gratification, but again, like you said, control.
And when that person is no longer living, that's the ultimate control.
Yeah.
Because they can't eat.
He probably felt aroused.
Exactly.
And one last thing is what Dahmer said, you know, I, I started making them unconscious
that was helping at first, but then they would always wake up and want to leave.
Right.
That's why he decided I need to kill this person because then they don't have the choice
to leave and they're not going to wake up.
You know, that's awful.
But anyway, so, um, this guy is a piece of shit and sorry.
And yeah, that's a, that's the story of Wong Cheong.
Wong Cheong and a handbag.
Yeah.
Thank you for being here with me today.
I really was excited to get this recorded and really, really excited to have the opportunity.
Well, maybe we'll bring you on.
We can do all three of us or something and we can, we can have like a listener kind of
thing or a three way discussion.
Anyways, in the meantime, we are going to have some new content next week, but in the
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Yeah.
And just to remind her, our thoughts and our hearts go out to Gabby potatoes family.
Absolutely.
And everything that they're going to have to deal with for a while.
And just if anyone were to listen to this and just again, our hearts and our thoughts
are with you.
Just hang in there.
You'll get through it.
Just be good people.
That's we have.
We have to be good people to good things.
Don't don't murder.
Don't rape.
Don't steal.
Don't lie.
Just be a decent human.
Yeah.
Bye.