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Hello. Hello. I'm Kenna and I'm Koelle. Welcome back to diagnosing a killer.

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You can say welcome back. Welcome back!

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We are back for another episode of diagnosing a killer.

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Hmm. And if you haven't noticed, we're really weird.

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I should have brought water in here.

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Do you want me to go get you water?

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No.

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Yes you do. I can see where you're going.

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Okay, I'll just, I can text John. It's alright.

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Anyways, hi. I'm excited to do this episode.

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Yeah, I'm really excited to hear it. I'm, yeah.

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I know that everyone kind of got like my take on like the way that I do research and so now I'm excited for them to hear you.

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And we're gonna see the differences and similarities.

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Let's get into it. Let's get right on in.

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So, I decided to research a little lady by the name of Kristen Gilbert.

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A little old lady?

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And she's not an old lady.

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I know, but little.

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You'll learn that like her career is very early on in her life.

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Okay.

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So, Kristen Heather Strickland was born November 13th, 1967 in Fall River, Massachusetts.

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I think I know this case.

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Massachusetts.

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Massachusetts.

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Kristen was the daughter of Richard and Claudia Strickland and she had one younger sister who was seven years younger than her and her name was Tara.

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Richard was an electronics executive, which I don't really know what that means.

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Like, did he work for a radio shack or did he work Microsoft?

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Yeah, Microsoft. Like, I don't really know. I didn't, I didn't research the parents. They're just not my subject.

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Yeah.

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And Claudia was a homemaker and she was a part time substitute teacher.

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Oh, good for her.

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Yeah.

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We love a teacher.

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We love a teacher.

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We, they're the backbone of the education system, of course.

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They're the frontline workers of the education system.

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That was silly of me to say.

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So, when Kristen was about to start high school, the family had actually moved to Groton, Massachusetts.

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Okay.

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And like literally every single account of Kristen in high school said that she was super bright and she had an amazing IQ and she was just incredibly intelligent.

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Okay.

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Unfortunately, that can be used for bed.

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Yeah.

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So, Kristen had also expressed throughout her life that she felt like her parents were really cold and distant.

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And even in later testimony, if you will, she had said that her dad had favored her younger sister like way beyond her.

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At least that's how she felt.

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Not an excuse, but okay.

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No. And I mean, I get that it's like a seven year difference and you're seven and there's this baby, you know, and the baby is going to be a baby for at least a year.

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Four years.

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And by that point, you're in your early teens and you know, so when you were seven, did you think that way about me?

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No, because I had Cameron.

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Oh.

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I'm like, because we're like eight years apart.

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Yeah.

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But I mean, I guess I get it.

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So, but you'll see that this, this need for attention becomes a pattern, right?

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Yeah.

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So by the time Kristen was in high school, she had started her career in lying.

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She was described as a pathological liar.

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Did she get paid for that?

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No, I hope.

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I would hope, I mean, I would hope nobody gets paid to be a liar.

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Well, I don't know who would get paid to be a liar.

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Fucking defense attorneys.

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Oh, that's true.

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So true.

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Or an international good.

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International spy, you know, like a liar, you know, like a liar.

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So she was also known to be a thief and defense attorney.

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Notably, one of her classmates had accused Kristen of going into her closet once when

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she was at this girl's house.

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Oh my God.

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Taking a top of hers, then wearing it at school.

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Oh.

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And when the girl confronted her about her wearing the top, she basically called the

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girl crazy and she was like, no, this is my top.

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Literally Cameron did that to me one time.

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I swear to God.

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These are not the droids you're looking for.

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She didn't try to convince me that it wasn't my top, but she definitely lied about it for

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a while.

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And I was like, bro, I don't know.

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It was just in my closet.

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I don't know how I can do that.

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I don't know.

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It's like somebody must have left it here.

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I don't know.

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I'm like, I'm locking my fucking door.

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But yeah, she called this girl crazy and they claimed that the blouse was hers.

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That's gaslighting at its finest.

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Right.

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And they're just like, I bet that girl's like, am I crazy?

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Maybe she has the same top.

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She just, she looks so genuine when she says.

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Oh my God.

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That's awful.

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And from the same time she had been telling classmates that her mother was physically

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abusive and was an alcoholic and family would later say that that was complete bullshit.

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Oh my God.

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That's terrible.

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When you're fabricating like abuse, that's, you gotta be mentally skewed.

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Like straight up just fabricated this for attention.

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So people would pay attention to her or feel badly for her.

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And they would be attracted to young girls.

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So she was never, ever short of boyfriends.

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But according to many of her boyfriends, when they would get into fights or disagreements

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or whatever, she would regularly throw temper tantrums and be physically abusive towards

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them.

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Like would scratch them and shit.

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How old was she at this time?

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This is in high school.

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She's probably like 15, 16.

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I was gonna say this sounds like teenage behavior, like underdeveloped frontal lobe behavior.

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In my mind, it's probably like 14, 15 years old.

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Like teenage behavior, that's kind of outside of the realm of, you know, yeah, like common.

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And like you said, like hormones are a blazin', you know?

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People get into fights, people lie.

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So she developed this habit of lying and this habit of lying, especially to her boyfriend

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started to develop in false, like false suicide attempts is basically like she would falsify

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her trying to commit suicide.

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It's like literally the worst thing that you can do to someone else's mental health.

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She also started making up lies about herself to make herself like seem more interesting,

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I guess, to people.

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Oh, like she's been to Paris before.

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Yeah, things like that.

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But one of the most notable ones is that she said that she was a distant relative from

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Lizzie Borden.

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Oh my god.

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The ax murder.

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Okay, so yeah, I'm like, she's all, here we go.

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And she was in the same hometown.

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So remember, she had moved to Grotton, which was a different town altogether.

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So really in this other town, nobody's gonna know whether or not that's true.

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She's like, oh, I'm from there.

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Oh, really?

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Lizzie Borden's from there.

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Yeah, we're related.

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You know who else?

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Just like a lot of other people have been born there.

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That's like us trying to say that we're related to like Tony Parker.

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Selena.

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Yeah, her Selena.

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I'm gonna say that when I- I'm sorry, Tony Parker was not born here.

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I don't know.

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He's French.

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He's totally French.

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Well, we went to Paris.

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So there you go.

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Oh, there you go.

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Yeah, when I- next time I go overseas, which is probably never, but next time I go overseas,

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I'm definitely gonna be like, oh, I'm totally related to Eva Longoria.

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Straight up.

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And Selena.

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And Selena.

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So clearly around this time, she's exhibiting a lot of neurotic behaviors and she was

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labeled strange by most of her classmates.

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Wow, that's terrible.

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Right?

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Either way, again, she's very bright.

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Kristen ends up graduating a year and a half earlier than her peers with honors at age 16.

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That's impressive.

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Right.

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And I was like, I was one of the youngest people in my class and they wanted to- they

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actually offered for me to skip a grade in elementary school and mom and dad were like,

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no, she's already so much younger than everyone else and her peers and stuff.

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And I'm glad that they said no because graduating at 16 would have been, I feel like, for me

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at least.

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That's a lot of pressure.

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Yeah, uncomfortable and I wouldn't have felt like I was ready to be out in the world.

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And then the next step is college.

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So it's like-

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At 17.

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At 16, 17 years old.

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I didn't know college was 19.

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Oh, why would you do that?

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So that's exactly what Kristen did.

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She went to college right after high school, after she graduated in 1984.

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And she applied to Bridgewater State University in Bridgewater, Massachusetts.

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She was pursuing pre-med classes with a focus on becoming a registered nurse.

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So throughout this time, of course, a very bright and attractive Kristen again was never

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short of boyfriends.

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However, her behaviors towards them to garner more attention and control over her partners

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only got way more serious.

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Oh my gosh.

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So a few years into college in 1986, she was dating a fellow student and he attempted to

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break up with her.

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And she hand wrote a note and left it on the boyfriend's doorstep claiming that she had

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swallowed glass in an attempt to kill herself.

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Okay, ouch.

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And also like-

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What?

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What?

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I swallowed a bunch of glass and then-

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Come find me.

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Like, and then wrote a note while my esophagus is bleeding.

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And then left it on the guy's doorstep.

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No.

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And then left it on.

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That's very far from it.

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She claimed that she swallowed glass.

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So clearly, this is a problem, the threat was actually taken so seriously that the college

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themselves told her that if she wanted to continue going there and continuing classes

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there, she had to seek psychiatric treatment.

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Well, good.

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Good for them.

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That's exactly what you should do.

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And it was-

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Clearly, she's mentally ill.

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Right.

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And it's not just this boyfriend's account, but several other people, girls that were

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friends of his or any other boyfriend that she dated, she was disruptive.

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She was noted as-

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Yeah, like a lot of people had the same mindset.

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So this was after some time.

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So clearly, this was for the safety of everyone and for Kristen's safety, honestly.

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The college was really concerned.

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Kristen did not, however, attend these treatments.

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Shocker.

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Yeah.

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In the same year in 1986, she met a man by the name of Glenn Gilbert in his hometown

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of Hampton Beach, New Hampshire.

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So I guess she was on vacation because it's on like-

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It's probably about like a two and a half hour drive.

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So the couple decided to live separately for the time being and they were in a long distance

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relationship while he stayed in New Hampshire and she was attending college.

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Well, not at this time.

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She was attending college.

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So at this time, she had started working as an at-home health aide.

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And I only found like a few accounts of these, but it didn't really give me any more specifics

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than other than at some point during her employment, she was responsible.

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For watching a disabled young boy.

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And while she was supposed to be watching the boy, she was going to give him a bath

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and he was scalded from a very hot bath, basically, from the water.

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He was burned over 60% of his body.

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She just threw his ass in there when it was scalding hot.

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So what's interesting is that she claimed that it was an accident, but the tub itself

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is actually for disabled people where it's like a very specific setting that's set.

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It's in order for like, in case somebody falls on it or whatever, it doesn't change the temperature.

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So you would deliberately have to change the temperature of this bathtub in order for that

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to happen.

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And do you know what kind of disability this boy had?

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Like, was he paralyzed?

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It didn't specify it.

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Because it almost sounds like he couldn't maybe physically lift himself into the tub

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and she like put him in there.

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Yes.

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Well, that's exactly what it was.

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She put him in there.

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Yeah.

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Okay, that's awful.

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Yeah, and that's why they're saying like it had to have been delivered because she had

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to have been manipulated to water.

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Oh my God, that's so sad.

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So he was like I said burned over 60% of his body and the parents of the boy did file a

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formal complaint with Kristen's superior, but no charges were ever filed.

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And at this point, this is unclear of whether or not this is her first attempt at garnering

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attention through the means of harming someone else.

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This is like munchausen by proxy almost, it sounds like.

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Yeah, which is interesting in itself because I don't think she's ever diagnosed with that.

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And munchausen by proxy, I know like you can make yourself sick.

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No, that's munchausen, regular.

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By proxy is when you do it to someone else and usually it's like a parent to a child.

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Yes, but it also includes caretakers like a parent or a child to their elderly parent

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or a caretaker or a spouse.

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For sure.

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Yeah, that sounds like munchausen.

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What she eventually does is not munchausen though because I feel like in munchausen,

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center by proxy, that you hurt someone else, but you don't intend to kill that person.

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No, of course.

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Yeah, and it's almost like gradual.

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Like you start off with like little things, like petty things, and then you take care

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of it and then you do another thing and then you take care of it.

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Right.

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That's why I said it almost sounds like it, but it also almost sounds like attempted murder.

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Well both judge at the end of this of whether or not we think it's munchausen.

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But I can tell you right now, Kristen was never diagnosed with that.

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I was going to say, I think I do know this case and I'm pretty sure I'm leaning towards

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murder and attempted murder.

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Not munchausen.

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Yeah.

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So Kristen decided that eventually she did want to go back to college, but again, she

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couldn't attend Bridgewater because otherwise she would have to attend psychiatric treatment,

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which she did not.

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God forbid.

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So she transferred to Mount Wachisette Community College in Gardner, Massachusetts.

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So she literally downgraded colleges because she didn't want to get self-help or like therapy.

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She didn't want to admit that she had a problem, I guess.

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How stubborn.

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Wow.

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How narcissistic.

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And she took these into become manners.

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She spent one year at Wachisette and then she transferred again to Greenfield Community

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College while maintaining her relationship with Glenn.

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Again long distance.

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So Kristen graduated with a license in nursing in 1988.

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So this was then two years.

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So four years from when she started, but within two years we're going back to school.

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Kristen graduated with a license in nursing in 1988.

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So again, this is four years after she left high school.

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And that same year her and Glenn eloped and then they moved to Northampton, New Hampshire,

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which was closer to where he was.

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So although not much is documented around the time that the couple were in the relationship,

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there's really not a lot that was actually said or documented.

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I'm sure stuff was said in the trial.

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But there was one incident very early on in their marriage where Kristen actually chased

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Glenn around the house wielding a knife.

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Come again?

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Yeah, I don't know.

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Like my employers type shit.

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It escalated to the point to where she chased him around with a knife.

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Terrifying.

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He actually had to lock himself in another room until she calmed down enough to put the

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knife down.

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What?

335
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Well, what is that about?

336
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What happened?

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Oh my God.

338
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I don't know.

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And again, this is all testimony that he would give much later.

340
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He never reported it to police.

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Did he stay with her after that?

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He did.

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Yeah.

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Glenn is one of those people that believes in the sanctity of marriage so much that

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he would stay with his wife even after she'd threatened him.

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Even if it kills him.

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Even if it kills him.

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To death to last thought.

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Yeah, they definitely stayed together.

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So again, this is only probably within the first two or months of their marriage.

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Wow.

352
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Yeah.

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This is going to be a long ride for you, Glenn.

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So within the year of her graduating, Kristen ended up finding work at the Veterans Affairs

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Medical Center in Northampton.

356
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Okay.

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So in their home, where they're living.

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So co-workers described her as a very committed and highly schoolful nurse.

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She never forgot a co-worker's birthday and was always in a cheerful mood.

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She probably had a calendar.

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Like that was there with everyone's birthday on it.

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Everyone had calendars.

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She's the one that wrote them down.

364
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Yeah.

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Seriously.

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So they got her to organize gift exchanges every Christmas for disadvantaged families.

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Okay.

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And in 1990, she was actually featured in an article of a magazine called VA Practitioner

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in the April edition.

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So they actually wrote an article about her.

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It seems like she really likes to be the center of attention.

372
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Oh yeah.

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And she really wants everyone to think that she's just this great person.

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She's perfect.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

378
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And I think that also plays into why she moved around so much.

379
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I mean, she went to three different colleges in four years.

380
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She's just wore out the cities.

381
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Yeah.

382
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Exactly.

383
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Or people are like getting too close maybe.

384
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Yeah.

385
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You know?

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So later that same year in 1990, the couple gave birth to their first child, a boy.

387
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Okay.

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They had a boy.

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She had some time with her new family during her maternity leave.

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And then when she returned, she insisted on being switched to the late night shift, which

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is not overnight, but it's 4 p.m. to 11 p.m.

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That sounds a little odd when you have a newborn.

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Ish.

394
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Yeah.

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I think we'll see why she did it, but...

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Well, I know why she did it, but let me just say, for everyone else's, I would be like,

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are you sure?

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You're a new mom.

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Your husband doesn't need help getting the baby to bed and stuff like that.

400
00:16:45,220 --> 00:16:46,220
Well, I don't know.

401
00:16:46,220 --> 00:16:48,740
At this time, we also don't know if Glenn works during the day.

402
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So it's a little easier for her to maybe find a sitter for an hour or something.

403
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So it was around this time that it was actually kind of suspicious the death rates in the

404
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facility started to spike.

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After Leon Cardiac arrests or heart attacks.

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Let me guess, from 4 to midnight.

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Well let's see.

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People started to take notice that patients seem to die under Kristen's care more than

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any other caregiver.

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And sometimes as much as double the amount of people would die on her shift than anyone

411
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else's in a 24-hour span.

412
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What?

413
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And she's just like, whoops, like what is her explanation for all this?

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She doesn't have one.

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00:17:29,860 --> 00:17:34,340
So recollecting some of these emergency events, coworkers said that Kristen was always calm

416
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and in control in any situation at hand.

417
00:17:36,420 --> 00:17:38,900
But maybe she's just a really good nurse, right?

418
00:17:38,900 --> 00:17:39,900
Yeah, of course.

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So some coworkers jokingly gave her the moniker of the angel of death.

420
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Yep, there it is.

421
00:17:45,100 --> 00:17:46,900
There's that infamous nickname.

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Since people always seem to die under her care, like regardless of the situation.

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And maybe she was just really unlucky.

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And so again, everybody was just like, oh look, there goes the angel of death.

425
00:18:00,180 --> 00:18:01,180
So funny.

426
00:18:01,180 --> 00:18:03,780
So hilarious that she's on her way to kill somebody else.

427
00:18:03,780 --> 00:18:11,460
So I think maybe, like, because things like that happen where if people find something

428
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about someone that they don't really particularly like, they choose to talk about it.

429
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And I think it's more like a thing that we do.

430
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We become desensitized to that one thing we don't like about that person by always bringing

431
00:18:23,580 --> 00:18:25,260
it up.

432
00:18:25,260 --> 00:18:26,940
Do you know what I'm kind of saying?

433
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Like it bothered them, but they didn't want to accuse her of killing people because that's

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ridiculous.

435
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But it bothered them.

436
00:18:33,580 --> 00:18:36,580
So they made up a joking nickname, you know?

437
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Just to kind of be like, oh, haha.

438
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We're on to you.

439
00:18:40,580 --> 00:18:41,580
Yeah.

440
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Or are we?

441
00:18:42,580 --> 00:18:43,580
Or are we?

442
00:18:43,580 --> 00:18:44,580
Yeah.

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So in 1993, Kristen and Glenn welcomed their second child, another boy.

444
00:18:48,460 --> 00:18:49,460
Okay.

445
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When Glenn's return to work, she had started spending time with a security officer who was

446
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working at the medical center.

447
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I don't know.

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00:18:56,180 --> 00:18:58,740
His name was James Perrault.

449
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And his shifts were actually from 3 p.m. to 11 p.m.

450
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Convenient.

451
00:19:03,500 --> 00:19:04,500
Convenient.

452
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And since Kristen and James had had similar shifts, oftentimes Kristen and her co-workers

453
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would go out for drinks and James would be there as well because they're all going together.

454
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Which is not unusual in itself.

455
00:19:15,700 --> 00:19:16,700
Right.

456
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Whatever.

457
00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:18,700
Yeah.

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I had the sneaking suspicion that she knew that James worked those shifts and maybe she

459
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thought he was attractive.

460
00:19:25,020 --> 00:19:28,980
So by the time she had her first shift, yeah, that's what I think.

461
00:19:28,980 --> 00:19:34,140
I was thinking that she switched her shift so that she could like kind of fly under the

462
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radar with these patients' deaths.

463
00:19:36,140 --> 00:19:37,140
Right.

464
00:19:37,140 --> 00:19:39,700
I mean, I don't know exactly what her plan was.

465
00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:40,700
Of course you do.

466
00:19:40,700 --> 00:19:41,700
Speculating.

467
00:19:41,700 --> 00:19:42,700
Speculating.

468
00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:45,340
That's all we're doing right now is speculating.

469
00:19:45,340 --> 00:19:50,180
So typically when there's emergencies, security was also called to assist because they're

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trained EMSs as well.

471
00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:52,700
Oh, I didn't know that.

472
00:19:52,700 --> 00:19:53,700
That's interesting.

473
00:19:53,700 --> 00:19:56,820
So almost every single time there was a call, James would also be called.

474
00:19:56,820 --> 00:19:57,820
Right.

475
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Damsel in distress.

476
00:19:58,820 --> 00:19:59,820
Damsel in distress.

477
00:19:59,820 --> 00:20:00,820
Damsel in distress.

478
00:20:00,820 --> 00:20:05,820
This gave James an opportunity to watch Kristen as well during her little moments of heroism.

479
00:20:05,820 --> 00:20:09,820
But she probably thought she sucked because all these people kept dying.

480
00:20:09,820 --> 00:20:12,140
He's like, yeah, you don't know how to do CPR.

481
00:20:12,140 --> 00:20:15,460
He told friends and family that he was really impressed by her.

482
00:20:15,460 --> 00:20:16,460
Yeah.

483
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He's like, oh my gosh, this superstar I have a nurse.

484
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She just rushes in and just happens to know exactly what's going on with these patients

485
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and how to run a room.

486
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Right.

487
00:20:26,140 --> 00:20:29,460
You can't hear me on the microphone.

488
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I could a little bit.

489
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No one else will be able to hear that.

490
00:20:31,940 --> 00:20:37,420
So of course this falls into Kristen's already obsessed mind with attention.

491
00:20:37,420 --> 00:20:38,420
Oh yeah.

492
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Her love for attention, especially male attention.

493
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And I'm sure he's doding over her in front of her as well to her, to his family.

494
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So eventually we all know where this is going.

495
00:20:50,020 --> 00:20:52,100
The two began an affair.

496
00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:57,420
He does, James recalls one night where he would walk her to her car and they would kiss.

497
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And so that's where it started, is that he walked her to her car, they kissed and they

498
00:21:01,540 --> 00:21:04,300
would do that routinely.

499
00:21:04,300 --> 00:21:08,700
It's frustrating because it's not only that she's taking it upon herself to cheat on her

500
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husband.

501
00:21:09,700 --> 00:21:12,700
But she definitely probably knows she's married and has two children.

502
00:21:12,700 --> 00:21:14,420
Well you would think, right?

503
00:21:14,420 --> 00:21:15,420
Maybe.

504
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I mean, I hope he does it because that makes me feel a little bit worse for him.

505
00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:19,220
But if he knew that I'm like, hmm.

506
00:21:19,220 --> 00:21:20,220
Right.

507
00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:21,220
We'll talk about that.

508
00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:22,220
Yeah.

509
00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:23,220
Okay.

510
00:21:23,220 --> 00:21:26,540
So pretty much since that moment, Kristen especially would find no last opportunity

511
00:21:26,540 --> 00:21:30,380
to take James into closets, Haitians rooms.

512
00:21:30,380 --> 00:21:31,380
No.

513
00:21:31,380 --> 00:21:32,740
Even while they were in there.

514
00:21:32,740 --> 00:21:33,740
On call rooms.

515
00:21:33,740 --> 00:21:34,740
On call rooms.

516
00:21:34,740 --> 00:21:35,740
Crazy.

517
00:21:35,740 --> 00:21:39,940
So I think they could find a location within the hospital pretty much.

518
00:21:39,940 --> 00:21:40,940
Oh my God.

519
00:21:40,940 --> 00:21:41,940
Isn't that like a conflict of interest?

520
00:21:41,940 --> 00:21:44,380
Can't they not do that?

521
00:21:44,380 --> 00:21:45,380
I don't know.

522
00:21:45,380 --> 00:21:46,380
I mean, I don't know.

523
00:21:46,380 --> 00:21:47,380
Maybe.

524
00:21:47,380 --> 00:21:48,380
I know.

525
00:21:48,380 --> 00:21:49,380
You know what it is.

526
00:21:49,380 --> 00:21:52,820
Clearly they think it's funny that she is killing people.

527
00:21:52,820 --> 00:21:55,140
Not killing people, but that people are dying around her.

528
00:21:55,140 --> 00:21:57,060
They think it's funny enough, right?

529
00:21:57,060 --> 00:22:04,780
A nurse said that one time there was a code that was called and James came in first and

530
00:22:04,780 --> 00:22:08,340
he started doing CPR on this guy, right?

531
00:22:08,340 --> 00:22:13,900
And Kristen was standing by and was like, oh my God, you look so strong right now.

532
00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:16,700
I want to throw up.

533
00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:17,700
I got to go.

534
00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:18,700
I'm serious.

535
00:22:18,700 --> 00:22:19,700
And she's like, look at your muscles.

536
00:22:19,700 --> 00:22:21,100
Oh my God, your muscles.

537
00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:23,780
Someone is actively dying.

538
00:22:23,780 --> 00:22:26,580
And she's like grabbing his arms like look at your muscles.

539
00:22:26,580 --> 00:22:27,580
No, she's not.

540
00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:28,580
I'm not even kidding.

541
00:22:28,580 --> 00:22:29,580
She didn't grab the arms.

542
00:22:29,580 --> 00:22:30,580
Not even kidding.

543
00:22:30,580 --> 00:22:33,020
But she's like, you're so strong.

544
00:22:33,020 --> 00:22:34,020
Yeah.

545
00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:36,180
It's time to pop a boner over here.

546
00:22:36,180 --> 00:22:39,020
Someone's having a cardiac infarction.

547
00:22:39,020 --> 00:22:40,860
So another time.

548
00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:46,940
So this, of course, like Kristen herself starts to change through this affair, right?

549
00:22:46,940 --> 00:22:49,100
She starts wearing more makeup.

550
00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:52,820
She starts dressing a little bit more scantily clad at work.

551
00:22:52,820 --> 00:22:58,940
Like she's changing from this almost soccer mom to this like vixen, right?

552
00:22:58,940 --> 00:23:02,660
So being like, you're not supposed to be sexy at work.

553
00:23:02,660 --> 00:23:04,500
I'm sorry, unless you look like a porn star.

554
00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:06,780
But she wants the attention, right?

555
00:23:06,780 --> 00:23:09,180
Like any attention.

556
00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:16,260
So another time a doctor actually recounted that like the situation where another patient

557
00:23:16,260 --> 00:23:22,220
was coding and James was already in the room doing whatever, but not CPR.

558
00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:30,740
Kristen comes in, hops on top of the man that is coding, straddling him to perform CPR.

559
00:23:30,740 --> 00:23:36,940
And as she's doing it, she says something to denote that she's wearing a garter on her

560
00:23:36,940 --> 00:23:38,860
thigh.

561
00:23:38,860 --> 00:23:42,900
You know, like when you're married or like when you're in a porno as a nurse.

562
00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:43,900
Yeah.

563
00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:44,900
Not an actual nurse.

564
00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:45,900
What?

565
00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:46,900
What?

566
00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:47,900
Okay.

567
00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:51,380
The only time you should ever get on top of somebody and shadow them and do it when

568
00:23:51,380 --> 00:23:55,180
you're to do CPR is when they are actively being transported to the operating room.

569
00:23:55,180 --> 00:23:56,180
No, she was.

570
00:23:56,180 --> 00:23:57,180
Yeah.

571
00:23:57,180 --> 00:23:58,180
He was in a hospital room.

572
00:23:58,180 --> 00:24:02,740
No, if they're going to the room to like the operating room and they have to move and

573
00:24:02,740 --> 00:24:03,740
they have to move.

574
00:24:03,740 --> 00:24:05,260
That's the only acceptable time to do that.

575
00:24:05,260 --> 00:24:09,580
If you're just like in emergency because now they have those automatic CPR things that

576
00:24:09,580 --> 00:24:11,060
they do that when they transport people.

577
00:24:11,060 --> 00:24:12,060
Yes.

578
00:24:12,060 --> 00:24:16,180
I mean, that was absolutely uncalled for and unnecessary and disgusting 90s.

579
00:24:16,180 --> 00:24:17,180
Yeah.

580
00:24:17,180 --> 00:24:18,180
In that bubble.

581
00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:20,460
I would have cringed the fuck.

582
00:24:20,460 --> 00:24:22,060
Like I would have been like, you know what, get off me.

583
00:24:22,060 --> 00:24:25,260
I don't even want to live with your made out on top of his body.

584
00:24:25,260 --> 00:24:27,420
Like that is so fucking cool.

585
00:24:27,420 --> 00:24:28,420
Absolutely.

586
00:24:28,420 --> 00:24:29,420
Disrespectful too.

587
00:24:29,420 --> 00:24:31,100
She's so gross.

588
00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:33,180
How disrespectful to that person.

589
00:24:33,180 --> 00:24:37,740
So during this time, clearly, Kristen's need for attention is only growing.

590
00:24:37,740 --> 00:24:42,060
And even more so was her need to keep James' interest in her.

591
00:24:42,060 --> 00:24:48,820
So Kristen continued to create attention through the means of her patients, clearly.

592
00:24:48,820 --> 00:24:55,660
So for the next three years, deaths had nearly tripled than the previous three years of her

593
00:24:55,660 --> 00:24:57,140
not working there.

594
00:24:57,140 --> 00:25:03,220
Even no one's noticing this like sudden change in demographics or statistics.

595
00:25:03,220 --> 00:25:09,260
Coinciding with this, other physicians are noticing that there is a decreased amount

596
00:25:09,260 --> 00:25:12,500
of epinephrine around the facility.

597
00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:13,740
Just a shortage.

598
00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:14,740
Just a shortage.

599
00:25:14,740 --> 00:25:18,620
They're like, man, I swear there was like at least five vials in here.

600
00:25:18,620 --> 00:25:20,380
Oh well.

601
00:25:20,380 --> 00:25:21,380
So.

602
00:25:21,380 --> 00:25:27,380
Like croaking over here.

603
00:25:27,380 --> 00:25:33,980
Oh my god, I want to listen to that so bad.

604
00:25:33,980 --> 00:25:36,980
It's worth it to stop for the- Okay, we just listened back to that.

605
00:25:36,980 --> 00:25:38,980
I had to stop to listen to that and it's surprising.

606
00:25:38,980 --> 00:25:40,980
It's worse than I thought it was going to be.

607
00:25:40,980 --> 00:25:41,980
It's sound like an old man.

608
00:25:41,980 --> 00:25:42,980
My last deathbed confession.

609
00:25:42,980 --> 00:25:43,980
God.

610
00:25:43,980 --> 00:25:54,780
Anyways, sorry about that.

611
00:25:54,780 --> 00:25:58,700
It's allergy season.

612
00:25:58,700 --> 00:25:59,700
Shit.

613
00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:00,700
Continue.

614
00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:01,700
So.

615
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:05,100
In early 1994, I can't even hold on.

616
00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:08,100
I feel like my voice is shaky just from laughing.

617
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:11,420
In 1994, a patient's breathing apparatus had been removed.

618
00:26:11,420 --> 00:26:13,140
I say what?

619
00:26:13,140 --> 00:26:15,580
His breathing apparatus had been removed.

620
00:26:15,580 --> 00:26:19,260
Kristen happened to be the first one on the scene saving the patient's life.

621
00:26:19,260 --> 00:26:21,380
Oh, how convenient.

622
00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:24,900
This is actually the first known case of evidentiary value.

623
00:26:24,900 --> 00:26:26,500
I wonder how it was removed.

624
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:31,540
Well, I guess somebody saw her go in there.

625
00:26:31,540 --> 00:26:33,380
That she likely had a hand in it.

626
00:26:33,380 --> 00:26:37,740
This is the first time that she was witnessed going in there and then something happened.

627
00:26:37,740 --> 00:26:45,900
So this actually triggered an unofficial watchful eye over the word that she was working in

628
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:47,100
by doctors and nurses.

629
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:48,820
Okay, so she didn't know?

630
00:26:48,820 --> 00:26:50,320
No.

631
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,980
She didn't know that other people were kind of catching on, but it was kind of like a

632
00:26:54,980 --> 00:26:59,700
rumor kind of where they started pretty much just watching her closely.

633
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:02,500
This seems like more of just a coincidence.

634
00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:06,900
Maybe you keep an eye out just to see if there's any other coincidences and then we'll

635
00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:07,900
coincide.

636
00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:10,500
What's the plural of coincidences?

637
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:11,500
Coincidences?

638
00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:12,500
Coincidize sounds cooler.

639
00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:13,500
Anyways.

640
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:14,500
Like octopi?

641
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:15,500
Octopi.

642
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:20,980
Later in that same year in 1994, Glenn had begun to become mysteriously ill.

643
00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:23,900
Okay, and he doesn't know about the affair, right?

644
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:26,540
No, not at this point.

645
00:27:26,540 --> 00:27:30,820
So a concerned Kristen took him to the emergency room and went struck ill.

646
00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:35,540
Yes, he just, oh, he got the vapors and she had to take him down to the emergency room.

647
00:27:35,540 --> 00:27:40,900
So I'm sorry really quick, I'm surprised he's on family guy when Lois wants Peter to go

648
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:44,660
with her family for something and he's like, he made plans with the guys instead and he

649
00:27:44,660 --> 00:27:48,260
ran upstairs and he goes, Lois, he calls her, he's like, I'm afraid I'm on my way upstairs

650
00:27:48,260 --> 00:27:49,260
to change.

651
00:27:49,260 --> 00:27:50,260
I struck ill.

652
00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:52,260
He's like, I won't be a tennis player.

653
00:27:52,260 --> 00:27:53,260
Exactly.

654
00:27:53,260 --> 00:27:54,260
I struck ill.

655
00:27:54,260 --> 00:27:55,260
He struck ill.

656
00:27:55,260 --> 00:27:59,660
So a concerned Kristen, like I said, took him to the emergency room and so after a few

657
00:27:59,660 --> 00:28:03,740
tests doctors had come back and told Glenn that he was deficient in potassium and in

658
00:28:03,740 --> 00:28:05,180
glucose.

659
00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:09,900
And one of the symptoms he was having while he was sick was that he seemed to be using

660
00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:14,740
the bathroom a lot, like a lot a lot, like abnormal, a lot of diarrhea and urination

661
00:28:14,740 --> 00:28:16,100
like all the time.

662
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:20,180
He thought that he might have diabetes because it was so frequent.

663
00:28:20,180 --> 00:28:26,060
So I did a little bit of a research into this so we could maybe get a glimpse into what

664
00:28:26,060 --> 00:28:29,380
some of the symptoms he might have been experiencing were.

665
00:28:29,380 --> 00:28:33,380
So low potassium levels can actually make you feel really weak in your muscles.

666
00:28:33,380 --> 00:28:38,860
You can get muscle cramps and twitches as well and you can even become paralyzed.

667
00:28:38,860 --> 00:28:42,820
So it's got to be like, I mean, imagine the worst Charlie horse you've ever had in your

668
00:28:42,820 --> 00:28:46,700
life, but that's in your body, like your arms and everything.

669
00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:51,380
So it can actually actually cause abnormal heart rhythms as well.

670
00:28:51,380 --> 00:28:57,620
Low glucose levels will actually feel same kind of the same kind of symptoms, which are

671
00:28:57,620 --> 00:28:59,020
weakness in your muscles.

672
00:28:59,020 --> 00:29:01,780
You can actually get lightheaded and dizzy as well.

673
00:29:01,780 --> 00:29:06,740
So clearly Glenn's knew something wasn't right, like his body was fighting against

674
00:29:06,740 --> 00:29:08,620
him at this point.

675
00:29:08,620 --> 00:29:16,500
So he had become suspicious and he started thinking maybe Kristen is poisoning my food.

676
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:17,500
Okay.

677
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:21,740
I mean, there has to be a reason why his mind went straight to that and so he's like, I'm

678
00:29:21,740 --> 00:29:24,900
ill, I'm getting cancer or whatever.

679
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:29,100
Well, and it was because he was kind of going in and out of the hospital as well after this

680
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:30,100
point.

681
00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:34,300
So I'm like right after that hospital visit, I should have said that earlier, but he was

682
00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:35,780
going in and out of the hospital.

683
00:29:35,780 --> 00:29:41,020
So it would be like he would decline, he'd go to the hospital, stay for a few days, feel

684
00:29:41,020 --> 00:29:44,980
better, come back home a week later, get sick again, go to the hospital.

685
00:29:44,980 --> 00:29:48,260
So the correlation was home, like something was happening at home.

686
00:29:48,260 --> 00:29:53,380
And whether he actually knew that or not, he was making comments to friends and family

687
00:29:53,380 --> 00:30:00,380
about her wanting him dead before Thanksgiving because this was in November of that year.

688
00:30:00,380 --> 00:30:03,580
And he would joke to friends and family and say like, oh, she probably just wants me dead

689
00:30:03,580 --> 00:30:04,580
before Thanksgiving.

690
00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:09,580
Like I don't know why you would joke about that, but again, he believes in the sanctity

691
00:30:09,580 --> 00:30:12,300
of marriage.

692
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:13,780
He believes in the sanctity of marriage.

693
00:30:13,780 --> 00:30:15,260
He's not going to leave her.

694
00:30:15,260 --> 00:30:17,780
Weird flex, but okay.

695
00:30:17,780 --> 00:30:23,860
So on another one of Glenn's forced episodes of illness, he was admitted again into a civilian

696
00:30:23,860 --> 00:30:24,860
hospital.

697
00:30:24,860 --> 00:30:29,900
And at some point during this visit, Kristen told her husband that because of her own expertise,

698
00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:33,420
and she believed in the hospital that she worked at, that she would like to take a blood

699
00:30:33,420 --> 00:30:37,100
sample for herself and go have it tested.

700
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:41,820
So while they're in the hospital room, Kristen takes out a syringe.

701
00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:46,740
And as she's getting closer to Glenn, he notices that there's a clear liquid already

702
00:30:46,740 --> 00:30:48,140
inside the syringe.

703
00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:52,420
Oh my God, that is so terrifying.

704
00:30:52,420 --> 00:30:55,340
So when he asked, what is in that syringe?

705
00:30:55,340 --> 00:30:57,780
She simply said that it was saline solution.

706
00:30:57,780 --> 00:31:01,860
And when injected, Glenn described the pain as cold and paralyzing.

707
00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:07,060
Okay, you don't inject saline solution into somebody and then use that same needle to

708
00:31:07,060 --> 00:31:08,060
draw blood.

709
00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:09,060
That's not how that works.

710
00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:10,060
This is his wife.

711
00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:11,060
He trusts her.

712
00:31:11,060 --> 00:31:12,060
Why?

713
00:31:12,060 --> 00:31:17,300
And when he tried to pull back, she actually pinned him down to administer the rest of the

714
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:18,300
shot.

715
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:20,020
I had no idea about any of this.

716
00:31:20,020 --> 00:31:21,380
Oh my God, okay, keep going.

717
00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:22,380
So, yeah.

718
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:23,780
What was it?

719
00:31:23,780 --> 00:31:29,620
Later it was determined that Kristen had been trying to poison him with a diuretic drug.

720
00:31:29,620 --> 00:31:33,740
So basically trying to expel everything out of his body.

721
00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:36,540
And he's like minerals, vitamins, everything.

722
00:31:36,540 --> 00:31:37,540
What?

723
00:31:37,540 --> 00:31:40,660
Did he survive?

724
00:31:40,660 --> 00:31:45,540
So we're gonna get to that.

725
00:31:45,540 --> 00:31:49,940
Kristen had actually begun telling James around this time that Glenn was physically and verbally

726
00:31:49,940 --> 00:31:52,260
abusive to her.

727
00:31:52,260 --> 00:31:53,540
All right, bye.

728
00:31:53,540 --> 00:31:56,900
So again, making her look like a noble ass victim.

729
00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:57,900
What was me?

730
00:31:57,900 --> 00:31:58,900
Yeah.

731
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:06,180
So in response to this accusation, James pretty much went, instead of giving his sympathy and

732
00:32:06,180 --> 00:32:10,620
empathy and understanding and try to coddle her, he said, well, if he's a bad person,

733
00:32:10,620 --> 00:32:13,180
if he's abusive to you, you need to leave.

734
00:32:13,180 --> 00:32:15,780
And if you're not gonna leave, I'm gonna leave.

735
00:32:15,780 --> 00:32:16,780
Yeah.

736
00:32:16,780 --> 00:32:17,780
Good for him.

737
00:32:17,780 --> 00:32:22,100
I mean, he's not really going thus far because he knows she's married, but still good for

738
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:24,100
him for saying that.

739
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:28,580
So on behalf to both James and Glenn, this decision would actually save Glenn's life

740
00:32:28,580 --> 00:32:31,260
because Kristen did leave.

741
00:32:31,260 --> 00:32:32,740
Wow.

742
00:32:32,740 --> 00:32:34,540
Right?

743
00:32:34,540 --> 00:32:35,540
Wow.

744
00:32:35,540 --> 00:32:44,820
So, yeah, I mean, he has no idea that his wife is having an affair, let alone the man

745
00:32:44,820 --> 00:32:47,820
that she's having an affair with.

746
00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:49,260
Pretty much, I mean, saves his life.

747
00:32:49,260 --> 00:32:50,260
Wow.

748
00:32:50,260 --> 00:32:51,260
Is that incredible?

749
00:32:51,260 --> 00:32:52,740
Imagine, I mean, he obviously found that out later.

750
00:32:52,740 --> 00:32:53,740
They should get married.

751
00:32:53,740 --> 00:32:54,740
Right?

752
00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:56,740
James and Glenn, 2021.

753
00:32:56,740 --> 00:32:57,740
Right?

754
00:32:57,740 --> 00:33:02,940
So, yeah, in December of 94, Kristen left Glenn and her two children.

755
00:33:02,940 --> 00:33:06,540
I mean, honestly, they're probably better off.

756
00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:09,740
So she moved into her own apartment and she eventually filed for divorce.

757
00:33:09,740 --> 00:33:11,140
So bye, Glenn.

758
00:33:11,140 --> 00:33:12,580
She's gonna keep your last name, though, Glenn.

759
00:33:12,580 --> 00:33:14,860
It's gonna be Kristen Gilbert.

760
00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:21,420
So in the same month, Kristen had offered another coworker who was, they were just,

761
00:33:21,420 --> 00:33:23,260
you know, whatever on their work shift.

762
00:33:23,260 --> 00:33:27,420
Her coworker had mentioned that she felt like she was having an asthma flare up.

763
00:33:27,420 --> 00:33:33,380
And Kristen dug into her coat pocket and pulled out a vial of epinephrine and said,

764
00:33:33,380 --> 00:33:35,540
I could give you some if you want.

765
00:33:35,540 --> 00:33:37,420
Why does she just have that in her coat pocket?

766
00:33:37,420 --> 00:33:38,420
Exactly.

767
00:33:38,420 --> 00:33:39,940
That's not what doctors do.

768
00:33:39,940 --> 00:33:44,020
This is kind of like people started noticing that epinephrine was kind of a thing or whatever,

769
00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:49,220
but it still wasn't completely linked at the time that this was a problem.

770
00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:54,780
But the nurse was also like, okay, like, why does this bitch have a bottle of epinephrine?

771
00:33:54,780 --> 00:33:57,220
Yeah, it's not like it's a bottle of ibuprofen.

772
00:33:57,220 --> 00:34:00,540
It wasn't something that regularly occurred that you needed epinephrine.

773
00:34:00,540 --> 00:34:05,180
Like it really wasn't a thing where they were at in the specific area of the hospital.

774
00:34:05,180 --> 00:34:11,340
So for those of you who don't know what epinephrine is, epinephrine is a drug used to increase

775
00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:13,140
your heart rate.

776
00:34:13,140 --> 00:34:17,220
And these basically they're like pure adrenaline shots.

777
00:34:17,220 --> 00:34:18,500
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.

778
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:26,380
They're for people that are already in cardiac arrest and it's to usually create that, like

779
00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:32,380
if you have a really low heart rate or somebody who's dying, it's pretty much a last resort.

780
00:34:32,380 --> 00:34:35,900
But what's interesting about it is that in large quantities, it can actually cause the

781
00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:37,380
thing it's meant to prevent.

782
00:34:37,380 --> 00:34:41,460
Yeah, you can actually inject epinephrine straight into the heart when you have open

783
00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:42,460
heart surgery.

784
00:34:42,460 --> 00:34:45,180
It's like as long as it's a small enough dosage, isn't that interesting?

785
00:34:45,180 --> 00:34:46,180
Yeah, that is interesting.

786
00:34:46,180 --> 00:34:52,180
Yeah, but it's like if CPR isn't working and the paddles aren't working, it's like another

787
00:34:52,180 --> 00:34:53,180
thing.

788
00:34:53,180 --> 00:34:57,500
And it's part of the drug included in like, like they call an epi-pin, like if you have

789
00:34:57,500 --> 00:35:00,740
an anaphylactic reaction to like if you're allergic to peanuts or if you're allergic

790
00:35:00,740 --> 00:35:04,660
to latex or something and you can flare up with asthma, you can also use it to treat

791
00:35:04,660 --> 00:35:05,660
that.

792
00:35:05,660 --> 00:35:06,660
Interesting.

793
00:35:06,660 --> 00:35:08,820
I took a CPR class recently for work.

794
00:35:08,820 --> 00:35:11,220
I got it renewed for the third time.

795
00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:16,940
But I asked because you know, people have epi-pins like I said that are for, they carry on them

796
00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:19,860
all the time in case of an anaphylactic reaction.

797
00:35:19,860 --> 00:35:23,460
And I asked if they were universal, like if I was allergic to peanuts and you were allergic

798
00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:27,700
to latex and I had a flare up, but you only had your pen on me, like on you could I use

799
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:28,700
it?

800
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:29,700
The answer is yes.

801
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:33,500
So if you find yourself in a situation where you only have one person's epi-pin and another

802
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:35,380
person needs it, you can use it.

803
00:35:35,380 --> 00:35:36,380
Interesting.

804
00:35:36,380 --> 00:35:37,580
And if it doesn't work, it's not going to hurt them.

805
00:35:37,580 --> 00:35:38,580
Yeah.

806
00:35:38,580 --> 00:35:39,580
Yeah.

807
00:35:39,580 --> 00:35:40,580
So that was interesting.

808
00:35:40,580 --> 00:35:44,980
So I'm just going to go ahead and pretty much say what we're all thinking here, right?

809
00:35:44,980 --> 00:35:50,460
Kristen has been administering epinephrine to patients in order to garner attention.

810
00:35:50,460 --> 00:35:51,460
Yeah.

811
00:35:51,460 --> 00:35:55,580
And then she's saving the day when they do a code blue and she starts CPR and brings

812
00:35:55,580 --> 00:35:56,580
them back or doesn't.

813
00:35:56,580 --> 00:35:57,580
Yeah.

814
00:35:57,580 --> 00:35:59,580
And just like James said, it's thoroughly impressive.

815
00:35:59,580 --> 00:36:01,260
So she loves that.

816
00:36:01,260 --> 00:36:06,660
And she knows just as she literally knows like just as much CPR to do in order to like not

817
00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:08,580
save them like that sounds like.

818
00:36:08,580 --> 00:36:14,220
So I'm going to go ahead and although many people suffered at the hands of Kristen Gilbert,

819
00:36:14,220 --> 00:36:15,780
I'm going to give you the charge for.

820
00:36:15,780 --> 00:36:16,780
Yes.

821
00:36:16,780 --> 00:36:20,460
I'm going to give you the four patients that she has actually been charged for.

822
00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:21,460
Okay.

823
00:36:21,460 --> 00:36:23,900
Now I'm going to go ahead and do this now because I'm going to do it in chronological

824
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:25,900
order from when the story began.

825
00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:26,900
Okay.

826
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:31,140
But we'll get to her pretty much what would be her trial or her court process in a bit

827
00:36:31,140 --> 00:36:32,620
because it gets way weird.

828
00:36:32,620 --> 00:36:37,700
So I also want to want everybody to keep in mind that because a lot of people are going

829
00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:38,700
to be like, why?

830
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:40,540
Like how did she get away with all of this?

831
00:36:40,540 --> 00:36:41,540
Right?

832
00:36:41,540 --> 00:36:47,260
So currently at the center, they don't keep track of their medications.

833
00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:52,020
Like there was no proper procedure to check out a medication for a specific patient.

834
00:36:52,020 --> 00:36:54,220
Well, this was the 80s too.

835
00:36:54,220 --> 00:36:56,220
Well, it's the mid 90s now.

836
00:36:56,220 --> 00:36:58,220
It's not like it's the fucking 80s.

837
00:36:58,220 --> 00:36:59,220
Yeah, that's true.

838
00:36:59,220 --> 00:37:00,220
Yeah, that's true.

839
00:37:00,220 --> 00:37:05,820
So I'm just again, I'm going to talk about who would be named as the victims that she

840
00:37:05,820 --> 00:37:06,820
was charged for.

841
00:37:06,820 --> 00:37:07,820
Okay.

842
00:37:07,820 --> 00:37:11,460
So in August of 95, Stanley Jagadowski, who was in his 60s at the time.

843
00:37:11,460 --> 00:37:17,740
He was admitted into the VAMC with a bowel obstruction and he was in stable condition.

844
00:37:17,740 --> 00:37:21,620
He was even noted to have an extremely healthy heart for his age and Stanley was actually

845
00:37:21,620 --> 00:37:25,180
a truck driver at this time, but he had served in the army in the Korean War.

846
00:37:25,180 --> 00:37:28,700
Bowel obstructions can be scary, but it seems like they could control.

847
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:29,700
Yeah, totally.

848
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:30,700
Yep.

849
00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:34,220
And I actually watched a documentary where it was the first account, like the first

850
00:37:34,220 --> 00:37:40,380
person account from the doctor who actually was a part of these specific cases.

851
00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:42,420
So it's a first hand account.

852
00:37:42,420 --> 00:37:46,580
He's like, absolutely this guy, like, yeah, like I said, it can be scary, but he was in

853
00:37:46,580 --> 00:37:47,580
stable condition.

854
00:37:47,580 --> 00:37:49,540
He was completely fine when I left him.

855
00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:50,540
Yeah.

856
00:37:50,540 --> 00:37:51,540
And how old was he?

857
00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:52,540
He was in his 60s.

858
00:37:52,540 --> 00:37:53,540
I think like mid 60s.

859
00:37:53,540 --> 00:37:57,900
After lab results came back, Stanley was to be on oral medication only.

860
00:37:57,900 --> 00:37:58,900
Okay.

861
00:37:58,900 --> 00:38:00,660
So that's a very important fact.

862
00:38:00,660 --> 00:38:01,900
Yeah, because he doesn't have an IV setup.

863
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:03,500
Oh, he probably does, but not for medicine.

864
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:04,500
Right.

865
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:05,500
Just for the ceiling.

866
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:10,220
So Kristen was actually witnessed by another doctor going into the room with a syringe.

867
00:38:10,220 --> 00:38:11,820
Like, in her hand.

868
00:38:11,820 --> 00:38:14,300
Um, yeah, that's like sketch 101.

869
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:15,940
When he's only supposed to have oral medication.

870
00:38:15,940 --> 00:38:16,940
Yeah.

871
00:38:16,940 --> 00:38:18,820
Like everybody knows that, right?

872
00:38:18,820 --> 00:38:23,620
So it would be later revealed that Kristen, for some of her patients, she would actually

873
00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:26,620
do an IV flush.

874
00:38:26,620 --> 00:38:28,140
Okay.

875
00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:30,380
Which I'm not entirely sure what that is.

876
00:38:30,380 --> 00:38:31,380
I think it's probably.

877
00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:34,860
Either way, she was injecting it into the IV.

878
00:38:34,860 --> 00:38:39,100
It sounds to me like maybe you flushed like a bunch of saline through the IV in order to

879
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:42,340
clean it out, like and clean out like the excess medication that you might not have

880
00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:43,340
gotten with your body.

881
00:38:43,340 --> 00:38:44,340
Right.

882
00:38:44,340 --> 00:38:45,340
And she was put in a shaker.

883
00:38:45,340 --> 00:38:46,340
It sounds dangerous.

884
00:38:46,340 --> 00:38:47,340
Yeah.

885
00:38:47,340 --> 00:38:48,340
It really does.

886
00:38:48,340 --> 00:38:53,380
So anyways, Kristen had gone into Stanley's room and another nurse would later testify

887
00:38:53,380 --> 00:38:59,180
that as she passed by the room, she heard Stanley yell out, ow, ow, stop, you're killing

888
00:38:59,180 --> 00:39:00,180
me.

889
00:39:00,180 --> 00:39:01,900
Oh my God, that's so scary.

890
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:03,900
My voice got cracky again.

891
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:05,900
Oh my God.

892
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:06,900
That's terrifying.

893
00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:07,900
Yeah.

894
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:08,900
The nurse didn't stop?

895
00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:09,900
Well, okay.

896
00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:10,900
So again, I thought about that too.

897
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:14,100
I was like, well, I mean, but how often do they hear that?

898
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:15,100
That's true.

899
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:16,100
Because somebody's in pain?

900
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:17,100
That's true.

901
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:18,100
Or they don't like shots?

902
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:19,100
Or they don't like IVs?

903
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:20,100
Yeah, exactly.

904
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:21,100
Okay.

905
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:22,100
So she didn't think anything of it.

906
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:23,100
However.

907
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:24,100
I didn't see it.

908
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:29,180
15 minutes later, Mr. Jodowski went into cardiac arrest and he died later that night.

909
00:39:29,180 --> 00:39:30,180
That's so awful.

910
00:39:30,180 --> 00:39:35,100
In December 1995, a patient by the name of Henry Houdon had fallen under the care of

911
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:36,100
Kristen.

912
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:39,100
Henry was actually 35 years old.

913
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:47,700
He served in the Air Force and was actually an assistant physical therapist.

914
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:49,780
And this is while he served in the Air Force.

915
00:39:49,780 --> 00:39:54,100
So while serving, Henry had actually sustained a head injury of some kind.

916
00:39:54,100 --> 00:40:00,140
It didn't specify what, but he was later diagnosed with schizophrenia.

917
00:40:00,140 --> 00:40:03,940
So it was probably a pretty traumatic brain injury that he had suffered.

918
00:40:03,940 --> 00:40:06,700
He'd been diagnosed with schizophrenia.

919
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:11,780
So other than this, other than this thing that happened while he was in the Air Force,

920
00:40:11,780 --> 00:40:13,140
Henry was completely healthy.

921
00:40:13,140 --> 00:40:15,140
He was an extremely healthy 35 year old.

922
00:40:15,140 --> 00:40:20,940
So Henry was actually originally admitted with the flu and where he was going on, like

923
00:40:20,940 --> 00:40:23,420
where he was living locally, it was almost like a pandemic.

924
00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:25,620
It was really, really bad and it was killing people.

925
00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:29,780
So in order to get ahead of it, he, his family suggested you should probably go to the hospital

926
00:40:29,780 --> 00:40:31,220
just to be sure.

927
00:40:31,220 --> 00:40:34,700
To be safe, you can quarantine, you can get all the medicine, all the medicine you need

928
00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:35,700
and all that.

929
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:36,940
I bet they felt so bad later.

930
00:40:36,940 --> 00:40:39,060
I bet they felt so bad later.

931
00:40:39,060 --> 00:40:42,180
His sister was the one that I watched on the documentary and she was one of the people

932
00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:45,300
that said like, I told him you should go to the hospital.

933
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:49,420
So again, Henry was completely stable during the day of his visit, but within an hour of

934
00:40:49,420 --> 00:40:53,380
him showing up, he had suffered a cardiac arrest.

935
00:40:53,380 --> 00:40:54,380
Within an hour.

936
00:40:54,380 --> 00:40:55,380
35.

937
00:40:55,380 --> 00:40:58,860
And people just believe that like, like it's not cause she got put on trial for it, but

938
00:40:58,860 --> 00:41:01,180
at 35, you don't have a heart attack at 35.

939
00:41:01,180 --> 00:41:02,180
That doesn't happen.

940
00:41:02,180 --> 00:41:03,180
Yeah.

941
00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:04,860
So a code was called.

942
00:41:04,860 --> 00:41:08,860
And then with the help of other doctors and nurses, Henry was actually revived.

943
00:41:08,860 --> 00:41:10,980
He was brought back to life.

944
00:41:10,980 --> 00:41:14,380
So he was in stable condition, all this stuff.

945
00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:20,460
And again, a doctor testified that he had, after they had stabilized him and everything,

946
00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:23,980
he had a conversation with Kristen afterwards and he said, man, what a relief.

947
00:41:23,980 --> 00:41:24,980
This guy is so young.

948
00:41:24,980 --> 00:41:27,180
And she said, I wouldn't be so happy.

949
00:41:27,180 --> 00:41:28,180
He's schizophrenic.

950
00:41:28,180 --> 00:41:29,180
What?

951
00:41:29,180 --> 00:41:34,500
Like she thought that she could kill him because he's schizophrenic and she was basically doing

952
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:36,220
it in my favor.

953
00:41:36,220 --> 00:41:37,220
What a bitch.

954
00:41:37,220 --> 00:41:41,580
And he said that he was appalled by this, but at this time, like it doesn't mean that

955
00:41:41,580 --> 00:41:44,700
he was suspicious of her trying to harm him.

956
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:46,660
He just thought that this nurse was just a bitch.

957
00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:47,660
That really sucks.

958
00:41:47,660 --> 00:41:50,700
I mean, especially in the nineties, the stigma around schizophrenic, I mean, even today.

959
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:51,700
Yeah.

960
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:53,580
Is very bad in the nineties.

961
00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:54,580
It's horrible.

962
00:41:54,580 --> 00:41:55,580
And he's 35.

963
00:41:55,580 --> 00:41:56,580
Yeah.

964
00:41:56,580 --> 00:42:02,340
I mean, I don't know a whole lot about it, but I'm pretty sure at some point in your

965
00:42:02,340 --> 00:42:04,220
life you could treat it.

966
00:42:04,220 --> 00:42:05,500
Like I feel like it's a treatable condition.

967
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:06,500
Yeah.

968
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:07,500
It's definitely not curable.

969
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:09,780
But you can definitely manage it.

970
00:42:09,780 --> 00:42:15,100
So unfortunately, Henry would go on to have three more cardiac arrests in the span of

971
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:16,980
six hours.

972
00:42:16,980 --> 00:42:21,700
This poor man was killed pretty much and brought back to life like five times.

973
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:23,780
Well, three, three or four.

974
00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:25,220
That is awful.

975
00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:30,060
So each time he came, he came back, I guess, except for the last one.

976
00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:33,300
You know, Kristen's over here like every time he gets brought back.

977
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:34,300
Like she was determined.

978
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:35,300
That's the way I feel.

979
00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:36,300
I feel like she took it as a challenge.

980
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:37,300
Yeah.

981
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:38,300
She's like, no, this guy's going to die.

982
00:42:38,300 --> 00:42:39,300
Like I'm going to kill this guy.

983
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:40,300
God, that's so awful.

984
00:42:40,300 --> 00:42:45,420
You think that she would like snap out of it after some point, you know?

985
00:42:45,420 --> 00:42:50,660
So both the family and other co-workers of Kristen simply thought that maybe it was a

986
00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:51,660
medication mix up.

987
00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:53,700
That's what the family was told.

988
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:55,000
That's what the family believed.

989
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,940
They did not think that there was anything else that there was, they didn't have any

990
00:42:59,940 --> 00:43:01,700
reason to believe that it was a suspicious thing.

991
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:06,180
They thought that it was a medication mix up and they didn't pursue it.

992
00:43:06,180 --> 00:43:08,180
I would still pursue it if it was a medication mix up.

993
00:43:08,180 --> 00:43:09,180
For malpractice, that's what I would have done.

994
00:43:09,180 --> 00:43:10,180
Yeah.

995
00:43:10,180 --> 00:43:12,300
I mean, not to say that they did anything wrong, but.

996
00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:13,300
Yeah.

997
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:17,460
So Kenneth Cutting was an army veteran and he was 41 years of age when he was admitted

998
00:43:17,460 --> 00:43:19,420
to the Center for Sepsis.

999
00:43:19,420 --> 00:43:22,620
He had lost his eyesight and the mobility of most of his extremities.

1000
00:43:22,620 --> 00:43:23,620
Oh my God.

1001
00:43:23,620 --> 00:43:27,220
He had lost his vision through things that I mean, it didn't really specify, but it

1002
00:43:27,220 --> 00:43:31,780
was other illnesses that he had had previously.

1003
00:43:31,780 --> 00:43:39,060
So Kenneth was a, like other than those issues, Kenneth was a healthy husband and father.

1004
00:43:39,060 --> 00:43:44,940
Kristen was anxious to leave work that day and she had made plans with James to go out

1005
00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:48,100
on a date that night.

1006
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:52,260
She had passed by the nurse's station to ask her bosses that if, quote, if my patient

1007
00:43:52,260 --> 00:43:57,420
were to die, leaving me with no further responsibilities for the night, would I be allowed to go home?

1008
00:43:57,420 --> 00:43:59,500
No, she fucking did not.

1009
00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:00,500
The boss answered.

1010
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:01,500
And what did they say?

1011
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:05,300
The boss answered, well, yeah, if you have no responsibilities, you can go home.

1012
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:06,300
I would.

1013
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:07,300
Within a few hours, Kenneth had died.

1014
00:44:07,300 --> 00:44:08,300
Before her shift.

1015
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:11,860
If I was that boss, I'd be like, why are you asking me that?

1016
00:44:11,860 --> 00:44:13,300
Are you trying to kill your patient?

1017
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:14,300
Right.

1018
00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:15,300
Like, sorry, but like.

1019
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:16,300
I know.

1020
00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:19,820
Well, that's the thing is like, it seems like it's right in front of everyone's face.

1021
00:44:19,820 --> 00:44:21,460
And that's so matter of fact.

1022
00:44:21,460 --> 00:44:24,580
That's like me being like, so if my table doesn't show up.

1023
00:44:24,580 --> 00:44:26,940
But then it's like you're going to go murder them.

1024
00:44:26,940 --> 00:44:27,940
No, I'm sorry.

1025
00:44:27,940 --> 00:44:28,940
You know what?

1026
00:44:28,940 --> 00:44:32,820
If my table leaves somehow, if they just leave early, can I go home?

1027
00:44:32,820 --> 00:44:36,180
But then you go over to the table and you're like, hey, could you guys fuck off?

1028
00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:37,180
No, not even.

1029
00:44:37,180 --> 00:44:38,180
Okay.

1030
00:44:38,180 --> 00:44:39,180
You know what I mean?

1031
00:44:39,180 --> 00:44:40,180
I know what you mean.

1032
00:44:40,180 --> 00:44:42,940
But what I'm saying is like, innocently, like, oh, if my table decides to get out of here

1033
00:44:42,940 --> 00:44:43,940
early, like can I leave?

1034
00:44:43,940 --> 00:44:45,980
Like I'm not going to do anything to cause them leaving.

1035
00:44:45,980 --> 00:44:46,980
Right.

1036
00:44:46,980 --> 00:44:48,580
But that's like a nonchalant matter of fact question.

1037
00:44:48,580 --> 00:44:50,580
But like if she's asking it about murder.

1038
00:44:50,580 --> 00:44:51,580
Yeah.

1039
00:44:51,580 --> 00:44:58,140
So hypothetically speaking, if my patient died, can I leave?

1040
00:44:58,140 --> 00:44:59,140
Would I leave?

1041
00:44:59,140 --> 00:45:00,140
Yeah.

1042
00:45:00,140 --> 00:45:01,140
I would be like, no, you're staying here all night.

1043
00:45:01,140 --> 00:45:02,140
She'd probably kill everyone in the fucking hospital.

1044
00:45:02,140 --> 00:45:03,140
Right.

1045
00:45:03,140 --> 00:45:04,140
That's what I would have said.

1046
00:45:04,140 --> 00:45:06,140
I'd be like, just because somebody dies doesn't mean there's not something to do.

1047
00:45:06,140 --> 00:45:07,140
It's not a fucking celebration for you.

1048
00:45:07,140 --> 00:45:08,140
You have time to lean.

1049
00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:10,140
You have time to clean.

1050
00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:11,140
Like, ew.

1051
00:45:11,140 --> 00:45:12,140
Oh my God.

1052
00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:14,660
I don't know what I would say if someone asked me that question.

1053
00:45:14,660 --> 00:45:16,580
I'd be like, are you fucking mad?

1054
00:45:16,580 --> 00:45:21,100
Like Edward Scare was in his 60s and was a World War II veteran.

1055
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:25,860
He was admitted to the center originally from actually suffering a seizure from experiencing

1056
00:45:25,860 --> 00:45:31,620
delirium tremens, which are also known as DTs, but it happens with alcohol withdrawals.

1057
00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:38,540
And it can cause like shaking, confusion, and like in bad cases, it can cause hallucinations

1058
00:45:38,540 --> 00:45:39,540
as well.

1059
00:45:39,540 --> 00:45:40,540
And when was this?

1060
00:45:40,540 --> 00:45:41,540
I think this was early 96.

1061
00:45:41,540 --> 00:45:45,300
So it's actually like I said, brought on by alcohol withdrawals and causes shaking, all

1062
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:46,400
that other stuff.

1063
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,380
Most of the time it's not fatal, but it does depend on the severity of your withdrawal

1064
00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:51,620
symptoms.

1065
00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:56,460
So treatment is typically just some kind of mild sedative like valium.

1066
00:45:56,460 --> 00:46:00,980
And then the rest of the care is basically just like symptom control.

1067
00:46:00,980 --> 00:46:03,580
So like letting it like kind of pass.

1068
00:46:03,580 --> 00:46:05,340
So like when you're hot, you know what I mean?

1069
00:46:05,340 --> 00:46:09,820
Like get a fan on, you know, if you're cold, you know, it's like having fevers, hot flashes,

1070
00:46:09,820 --> 00:46:10,820
cold flashes, things like that.

1071
00:46:10,820 --> 00:46:12,500
Well, it's like withdrawals from any drug.

1072
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:14,340
Like literally you kind of have to just wait it out.

1073
00:46:14,340 --> 00:46:15,340
You wait it out.

1074
00:46:15,340 --> 00:46:18,540
And you can only treat the pain really.

1075
00:46:18,540 --> 00:46:22,780
So later that night, Edward did unfortunately suffer a heart attack.

1076
00:46:22,780 --> 00:46:26,180
This is completely not linked to a seizure because when you have a seizure, it is your

1077
00:46:26,180 --> 00:46:27,180
brain.

1078
00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:28,180
It is not your heart.

1079
00:46:28,180 --> 00:46:30,460
Your brain does not tell your heart to shut down.

1080
00:46:30,460 --> 00:46:35,420
It is basically just, again, you might need respiratory help with your lungs, but other

1081
00:46:35,420 --> 00:46:41,460
than that, it's very, very unlikely that a heart attack can be caused by a seizure.

1082
00:46:41,460 --> 00:46:42,460
Yeah.

1083
00:46:42,460 --> 00:46:44,820
So they're sitting there thinking that she caused the cardiac arrest as well.

1084
00:46:44,820 --> 00:46:49,980
So by this point, of course, even patients have begun to see a pattern.

1085
00:46:49,980 --> 00:46:50,980
So much so.

1086
00:46:50,980 --> 00:46:51,980
Like patients that have been there for a long time.

1087
00:46:51,980 --> 00:46:57,100
So much so that when new people were getting admitted and if they could talk to any of

1088
00:46:57,100 --> 00:47:02,500
the patients that have been there for a while, they would basically warn the people like

1089
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:04,060
they would switch off a first service.

1090
00:47:04,060 --> 00:47:05,060
Yeah.

1091
00:47:05,060 --> 00:47:06,060
Oh my God, that's so scary.

1092
00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:07,060
It was that bad.

1093
00:47:07,060 --> 00:47:12,180
So once, and I don't know how, this is something that I read and I don't know if it's true

1094
00:47:12,180 --> 00:47:17,740
because it sounds like one of those donkey lady stories, but once a man had told her

1095
00:47:17,740 --> 00:47:21,540
bosses, Kristen's bosses, people are dying around here.

1096
00:47:21,540 --> 00:47:23,620
Patients know about it and staff knows about it.

1097
00:47:23,620 --> 00:47:26,540
People talk about it, but no one's really saying anything at all.

1098
00:47:26,540 --> 00:47:27,540
Yeah.

1099
00:47:27,540 --> 00:47:28,700
I mean, it seems that way.

1100
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:32,100
It seems like everyone's just kind of like looking the other way except for like the

1101
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:33,100
patients.

1102
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:34,100
Yeah.

1103
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:36,780
And the staff is like, well, I didn't really have a lot of information about this.

1104
00:47:36,780 --> 00:47:37,780
Let's just let it slide.

1105
00:47:37,780 --> 00:47:39,460
Like people are actively dying.

1106
00:47:39,460 --> 00:47:40,540
For sure.

1107
00:47:40,540 --> 00:47:46,300
So this patient was actually dismissed as being quote crazy and later that evening,

1108
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:49,060
he died of a heart attack.

1109
00:47:49,060 --> 00:47:50,060
Not even kidding.

1110
00:47:50,060 --> 00:47:51,060
Oh my God, I just got goosebumps.

1111
00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:52,060
Ew, what?

1112
00:47:52,060 --> 00:47:56,580
I told you, it didn't say who, it didn't say specifically.

1113
00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:59,620
It just said that this was an account that somebody had had.

1114
00:47:59,620 --> 00:48:02,300
I don't know, but it's terrifying.

1115
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:10,100
So he was like really onto her and trying to like get her caught and she got his ass

1116
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:11,100
instead.

1117
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:12,100
Like Dexter.

1118
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:13,100
Like you're on my ass.

1119
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:15,100
I'm going to find a reason to murder you.

1120
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:16,820
That is so scary.

1121
00:48:16,820 --> 00:48:20,980
So as suspicions grew, unbeknownst to Kristen, her fellow staff members had actually been

1122
00:48:20,980 --> 00:48:22,980
collecting evidence to use against her.

1123
00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:23,980
I forgot about that.

1124
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:24,980
They were trying to be silent.

1125
00:48:24,980 --> 00:48:25,980
What?

1126
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:27,980
I was like, they were trying to be like sneaky.

1127
00:48:27,980 --> 00:48:29,980
I was like, why is anybody doing anything?

1128
00:48:29,980 --> 00:48:30,980
I was like, oh wait, they are.

1129
00:48:30,980 --> 00:48:31,980
They're just not mentioning it.

1130
00:48:31,980 --> 00:48:32,980
Yeah, of course.

1131
00:48:32,980 --> 00:48:35,860
So unbeknownst to Kristen for a while, her fellow staff members had been collecting

1132
00:48:35,860 --> 00:48:38,140
evidence that would later be used in court.

1133
00:48:38,140 --> 00:48:42,980
So a nurse had actually watched Kristen for an entire day during her shift and she had

1134
00:48:42,980 --> 00:48:47,020
been using a very specific biohazard box that day.

1135
00:48:47,020 --> 00:48:51,580
And inside the box after Kristen left her shift, inside the box, the nurse found three

1136
00:48:51,580 --> 00:48:55,100
vials of epinephrine in the biohazard box.

1137
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:57,220
A vial of epinephrine is a lot.

1138
00:48:57,220 --> 00:48:58,220
Yeah, three.

1139
00:48:58,220 --> 00:48:59,220
A vial.

1140
00:48:59,220 --> 00:49:00,220
Yeah.

1141
00:49:00,220 --> 00:49:03,420
Like they're called something else, not just vials, but they're called something.

1142
00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:06,100
Yeah, like the syringe full or whatever, but that's a lot though.

1143
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:08,460
You don't need an entire one per person.

1144
00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:12,940
Yeah, I'm thinking they're probably only about two ounce bottles, but still, that's

1145
00:49:12,940 --> 00:49:14,140
six ounces of epinephrine.

1146
00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:18,300
But you only need 0.10 milligrams per cardiac arrest event or whatever.

1147
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:19,300
Right, exactly.

1148
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:20,300
So there's three of them.

1149
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:23,780
Now what was really interesting about this is that I told you earlier that not a lot

1150
00:49:23,780 --> 00:49:27,700
of epinephrine is ever used in this ward specifically.

1151
00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:33,300
And what was interesting about these vials of epinephrine is that they are a grade of

1152
00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:36,780
potency that would never be on this floor.

1153
00:49:36,780 --> 00:49:38,540
So she was taking them from elsewhere.

1154
00:49:38,540 --> 00:49:42,060
From another part of the hospital and then using them on that ward.

1155
00:49:42,060 --> 00:49:45,500
But didn't you say that the epinephrine shorted was coming from that ward?

1156
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:47,860
No, just in the hospital in general.

1157
00:49:47,860 --> 00:49:48,860
Okay.

1158
00:49:48,860 --> 00:49:49,860
But they never linked to different wards.

1159
00:49:49,860 --> 00:49:54,540
But that's again, they never linked because they probably didn't talk all that much or

1160
00:49:54,540 --> 00:49:57,020
whatever from the different wards.

1161
00:49:57,020 --> 00:50:05,580
But yeah, so that specific potency is highly only used in highly high emergency situations.

1162
00:50:05,580 --> 00:50:11,860
Yeah, like trauma, like the trauma unit or the operating room wing.

1163
00:50:11,860 --> 00:50:13,300
So that was definitely suspicious.

1164
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:18,180
So the nurse definitely came forward with her suspicions to investigators or to police.

1165
00:50:18,180 --> 00:50:20,460
February 29th, 1996.

1166
00:50:20,460 --> 00:50:23,180
Yes, I meant to say February 29th.

1167
00:50:23,180 --> 00:50:24,940
It was a leap year.

1168
00:50:24,940 --> 00:50:31,260
The formal investigation was opened into the supposed murders that were happening.

1169
00:50:31,260 --> 00:50:34,660
So first investigators went through her work schedule and began to correlate her shifts

1170
00:50:34,660 --> 00:50:36,300
and the spikes in death.

1171
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:39,980
So whenever she would move to day shift, it would happen in the day shift, night shift,

1172
00:50:39,980 --> 00:50:42,620
if it did happen in night shift, the deaths literally followed her.

1173
00:50:42,620 --> 00:50:43,620
You could see it.

1174
00:50:43,620 --> 00:50:44,860
Yeah, she's a fucking idiot.

1175
00:50:44,860 --> 00:50:48,140
Yeah, it really seemed like it wasn't that hard of a connection.

1176
00:50:48,140 --> 00:50:56,060
So police did the math on these and they concluded that 350 patients' deaths between

1177
00:50:56,060 --> 00:51:02,100
1989 and 1996, Kristen was on duty for half of those.

1178
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:05,380
For 350.

1179
00:51:05,380 --> 00:51:07,420
That's an outrageous number.

1180
00:51:07,420 --> 00:51:08,420
Yeah.

1181
00:51:08,420 --> 00:51:13,020
Honestly, though, this kind of bums me out because the amount of time that these investigators

1182
00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:16,940
are taking and the staff is taking key tabs on her, she's actively killing people at

1183
00:51:16,940 --> 00:51:17,940
this time.

1184
00:51:17,940 --> 00:51:21,020
All right, let's sit around and wait and see if she kills this guy.

1185
00:51:21,020 --> 00:51:22,660
Okay, she killed the guy.

1186
00:51:22,660 --> 00:51:24,460
Let's go tell the investigators.

1187
00:51:24,460 --> 00:51:28,140
Come on, I would run into the room if I knew that she went in there with the epi.

1188
00:51:28,140 --> 00:51:30,900
It'd be like, hey, stop.

1189
00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:36,860
So authorities actually ruled out the possibility of a coincidence as being one in 100 million.

1190
00:51:36,860 --> 00:51:38,940
Oh my God, you got it.

1191
00:51:38,940 --> 00:51:45,820
So in the paperwork, citing emergency situations, 75% of emergency codes during this time that

1192
00:51:45,820 --> 00:51:49,820
required intervention were signed by Kristen.

1193
00:51:49,820 --> 00:51:50,820
75%.

1194
00:51:50,820 --> 00:51:54,260
She's just calling code blue all the time.

1195
00:51:54,260 --> 00:51:56,740
Oh my God, she took a car.

1196
00:51:56,740 --> 00:52:03,060
She was, furthermore, she was actually present in eight out of 11 reported fires.

1197
00:52:03,060 --> 00:52:04,060
What?

1198
00:52:04,060 --> 00:52:10,060
I know, we don't talk about the fires at all, but that's, that's highly sus.

1199
00:52:10,060 --> 00:52:11,420
That's just highly sus.

1200
00:52:11,420 --> 00:52:13,540
She just started fires, literally.

1201
00:52:13,540 --> 00:52:14,820
Oh my God, she's a Jane and all trains.

1202
00:52:14,820 --> 00:52:15,820
Jane and all trains.

1203
00:52:15,820 --> 00:52:16,820
Yeah.

1204
00:52:16,820 --> 00:52:23,100
So actually, another report would come out saying that Kristen herself was treated more

1205
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:29,340
than 20 times in the hospital for a parent's self-inflicted wounds, quote unquote.

1206
00:52:29,340 --> 00:52:32,900
So in another portion of the hospital, she was admitting herself, saying that she was

1207
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:36,300
killing herself, like trying to kill herself over 20 times.

1208
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:38,180
What a narcissistic bitch.

1209
00:52:38,180 --> 00:52:39,180
Yeah.

1210
00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:41,500
Just to garner attention from another side of the hospital.

1211
00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:42,500
Yeah.

1212
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:43,500
I need everyone in this place.

1213
00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:45,020
Like to pay attention to me.

1214
00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:46,020
Right.

1215
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:49,420
At this point, James is beginning to really pay attention to all of these alleged rumors

1216
00:52:49,420 --> 00:52:50,420
about his girlfriend.

1217
00:52:50,420 --> 00:52:56,860
And as the investigation starts to rev up more and more, he decides to end things with Kristen.

1218
00:52:56,860 --> 00:52:57,860
Smart man.

1219
00:52:57,860 --> 00:53:00,580
We've all gotten to know Kristen just a little bit, right?

1220
00:53:00,580 --> 00:53:01,580
She's not having it.

1221
00:53:01,580 --> 00:53:03,500
She's not having that.

1222
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:08,020
So Kristen attempts suicide soon after James ends their affair by overdosing.

1223
00:53:08,020 --> 00:53:10,860
She actually attempts or does she like pretend it didn't?

1224
00:53:10,860 --> 00:53:12,540
I don't, I don't know.

1225
00:53:12,540 --> 00:53:15,460
She could have just said that.

1226
00:53:15,460 --> 00:53:20,460
But either way, this attempt was unsuccessful and she was actually admitted into a psychiatric

1227
00:53:20,460 --> 00:53:21,460
facility.

1228
00:53:21,460 --> 00:53:22,460
Okay.

1229
00:53:22,460 --> 00:53:23,460
Finally.

1230
00:53:23,460 --> 00:53:24,460
Where she needs to be.

1231
00:53:24,460 --> 00:53:25,460
Finally.

1232
00:53:25,460 --> 00:53:29,980
So James is the first to kind of like feed into this manipulation.

1233
00:53:29,980 --> 00:53:37,380
He's like, oh no, like Kristen, she's so distraught over me and all these allegations, all this

1234
00:53:37,380 --> 00:53:38,380
other stuff.

1235
00:53:38,380 --> 00:53:45,300
I'm so concerned that he calls Glenn and he's like, I'm so concerned for her well-being,

1236
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:47,180
all this other stuff.

1237
00:53:47,180 --> 00:53:50,660
We need to make sure that she has our support and all this other shit, right?

1238
00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:52,300
And Glenn's like, New Phone Who Does.

1239
00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:53,460
Bro, I dodged that bullet.

1240
00:53:53,460 --> 00:53:56,820
Yeah, he's like wrong number by New Phone Who Does.

1241
00:53:56,820 --> 00:54:03,500
So while in the psychiatric facility, Kristen actually calls James to confess to her crimes.

1242
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:04,500
Okay.

1243
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:06,300
Reportedly, right?

1244
00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:08,340
She says, quote, you know I did it.

1245
00:54:08,340 --> 00:54:09,340
I did it.

1246
00:54:09,340 --> 00:54:12,460
I just wanted you to know that I killed those guys.

1247
00:54:12,460 --> 00:54:13,460
Okay.

1248
00:54:13,460 --> 00:54:16,540
So I'm not entirely sure why.

1249
00:54:16,540 --> 00:54:19,820
Maybe I think that, okay, it's a few things.

1250
00:54:19,820 --> 00:54:21,940
Either she wants the attention clearly, right?

1251
00:54:21,940 --> 00:54:23,660
That's kind of her thing.

1252
00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:27,700
She might also be like, don't leave me.

1253
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:31,140
I trust you enough to tell you this big secret.

1254
00:54:31,140 --> 00:54:38,260
Maybe if he loves me enough, he'll want to be with me or feel bad for me or whatever.

1255
00:54:38,260 --> 00:54:41,220
And I don't know exactly what she said before or after this.

1256
00:54:41,220 --> 00:54:44,060
Of course, we don't have it recorded.

1257
00:54:44,060 --> 00:54:48,860
But I'm thinking that maybe she thought that James would support her and maybe wanted the

1258
00:54:48,860 --> 00:54:50,380
love to be reciprocated.

1259
00:54:50,380 --> 00:54:54,380
Like I said, I love you enough to tell you something deep about myself.

1260
00:54:54,380 --> 00:54:55,380
Well, maybe, yeah.

1261
00:54:55,380 --> 00:54:58,220
And then maybe he would think, wow, what a grand gesture.

1262
00:54:58,220 --> 00:55:02,660
I'm thinking maybe she's stuck in the psych ward and she's like, God, this place sucks.

1263
00:55:02,660 --> 00:55:04,820
Maybe if I confess, they'll take me to jail instead.

1264
00:55:04,820 --> 00:55:05,820
I don't know.

1265
00:55:05,820 --> 00:55:08,260
Maybe that's another chance what I was thinking.

1266
00:55:08,260 --> 00:55:11,940
Either way, whenever she was released from the facility, she immediately went to James's

1267
00:55:11,940 --> 00:55:17,780
apartment, broke in in the middle of the night, woke him up and pleaded with him not to testify

1268
00:55:17,780 --> 00:55:18,780
against her.

1269
00:55:18,780 --> 00:55:19,780
What?

1270
00:55:19,780 --> 00:55:20,780
Yeah.

1271
00:55:20,780 --> 00:55:22,580
And he's like, whoa, what are you?

1272
00:55:22,580 --> 00:55:23,580
Get out of my apartment.

1273
00:55:23,580 --> 00:55:24,580
Get the fuck out of my apartment.

1274
00:55:24,580 --> 00:55:25,580
Yeah.

1275
00:55:25,580 --> 00:55:26,580
Who are you?

1276
00:55:26,580 --> 00:55:30,660
Anyways, James, who honestly, I don't think that he knew about any of this.

1277
00:55:30,660 --> 00:55:33,020
I think he does have like a solid head on his shoulders.

1278
00:55:33,020 --> 00:55:34,140
Yeah, I agree.

1279
00:55:34,140 --> 00:55:39,020
He did the right thing by entailing investigators immediately and then got a restraining order

1280
00:55:39,020 --> 00:55:40,020
on her ass.

1281
00:55:40,020 --> 00:55:41,020
Put it on, yeah.

1282
00:55:41,020 --> 00:55:46,460
So shortly after this, she attempts suicide again and yet again she ends up in a facility.

1283
00:55:46,460 --> 00:55:51,340
As a last-ditch effort to garner some type of attention from any man in her life, she,

1284
00:55:51,340 --> 00:55:56,420
and knowing she had a restraining order from James against her, she tried to get Glenn

1285
00:55:56,420 --> 00:55:58,060
to come back into her life.

1286
00:55:58,060 --> 00:55:59,220
So she did the same thing.

1287
00:55:59,220 --> 00:56:05,740
She called him and she pretty much, yes or no, kind of willed her way into giving a confession

1288
00:56:05,740 --> 00:56:06,740
to Glenn.

1289
00:56:06,740 --> 00:56:10,100
So why hasn't she been arrested yet?

1290
00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:13,580
I'm pretty sure this is all within the span of a week.

1291
00:56:13,580 --> 00:56:15,700
I'm not even lying.

1292
00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:20,300
When he broke up with her, she went to psychiatric, she got out the break in, back into psychiatric,

1293
00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:21,300
all this sort of stuff.

1294
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:24,220
It's not that investigators aren't doing anything.

1295
00:56:24,220 --> 00:56:26,940
It's just so quick.

1296
00:56:26,940 --> 00:56:31,220
And all of these things, I mean, she only worked for the facility for three years.

1297
00:56:31,220 --> 00:56:32,220
Okay.

1298
00:56:32,220 --> 00:56:33,940
I mean, it's not a lot of time.

1299
00:56:33,940 --> 00:56:36,580
And then she had babies in between those years.

1300
00:56:36,580 --> 00:56:39,700
So it's, again, she wasn't at work a lot.

1301
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:43,660
I mean, if she has six weeks for one baby, six weeks for another or whatever, however

1302
00:56:43,660 --> 00:56:46,460
long her maternity leave was.

1303
00:56:46,460 --> 00:56:50,460
So Glenn, who had been cooperative with police, didn't want anything to do with Kristen at

1304
00:56:50,460 --> 00:56:51,460
this point.

1305
00:56:51,460 --> 00:56:54,940
This actually led Kristen to showing up on Glenn's doorstep one day.

1306
00:56:54,940 --> 00:56:58,180
And when he answered the door, she tried to stab him with her keys.

1307
00:56:58,180 --> 00:57:00,220
Oh my God.

1308
00:57:00,220 --> 00:57:04,740
This is also after she vandalized both his and James's cars.

1309
00:57:04,740 --> 00:57:06,060
So she's just like going around bashing.

1310
00:57:06,060 --> 00:57:07,060
Going off the wall.

1311
00:57:07,060 --> 00:57:08,060
Yeah, for sure.

1312
00:57:08,060 --> 00:57:09,140
For sure.

1313
00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:12,860
So out of desperation at this point, Kristen doesn't know what to do because James has

1314
00:57:12,860 --> 00:57:14,380
a restraining order against her.

1315
00:57:14,380 --> 00:57:15,900
Glenn is ignoring her.

1316
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:19,660
She knows that these people are cooperating with police officers at this point.

1317
00:57:19,660 --> 00:57:28,260
She actually purchased, I put a toy voice changer here, but I want all of my friends

1318
00:57:28,260 --> 00:57:32,020
and anybody who's older than me to appreciate this.

1319
00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:33,020
She bought a talkboy.

1320
00:57:33,020 --> 00:57:34,020
Okay.

1321
00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:35,020
I know what that is.

1322
00:57:35,020 --> 00:57:36,020
You do?

1323
00:57:36,020 --> 00:57:37,020
Yes.

1324
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:38,020
From home alone.

1325
00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:39,020
No, in general.

1326
00:57:39,020 --> 00:57:40,020
I'm pretty sure we had one, didn't we?

1327
00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:41,020
No.

1328
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:42,020
We never had one.

1329
00:57:42,020 --> 00:57:43,020
I was always so jealous.

1330
00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:45,020
They had a talkboy and a talk girl, and I wanted the talk girl because it was like purple.

1331
00:57:45,020 --> 00:57:46,020
Okay.

1332
00:57:46,020 --> 00:57:47,020
It was really cute.

1333
00:57:47,020 --> 00:57:55,140
Anyways, she bought a talkboy and I literally put in my notes, I always wanted one.

1334
00:57:55,140 --> 00:58:01,580
Anyways, so she actually called the VAMC and asked to speak with James through this voice

1335
00:58:01,580 --> 00:58:02,860
changer, right?

1336
00:58:02,860 --> 00:58:03,860
Like this talkboy.

1337
00:58:03,860 --> 00:58:05,420
What did she change her voice to?

1338
00:58:05,420 --> 00:58:08,420
Like everything low, like hello.

1339
00:58:08,420 --> 00:58:15,260
So when he answered Kristen, who is now apparently posing as a man, Kristen.

1340
00:58:15,260 --> 00:58:19,500
She said there's going to be three bombs that are going to go off and one of the wings

1341
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:22,100
of the hospital and to evacuate the hospital.

1342
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:23,260
Oh my gosh.

1343
00:58:23,260 --> 00:58:25,260
No fucking joke.

1344
00:58:25,260 --> 00:58:29,260
How like out there, like outrageous is that?

1345
00:58:29,260 --> 00:58:33,540
That's like, okay, my boyfriend isn't talking, my ex boyfriend isn't talking to me anymore.

1346
00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:34,940
He has a restraining order against me.

1347
00:58:34,940 --> 00:58:35,940
Oh, I've got it.

1348
00:58:35,940 --> 00:58:36,940
Bomb threat.

1349
00:58:36,940 --> 00:58:37,940
Yeah.

1350
00:58:37,940 --> 00:58:38,940
Like why not?

1351
00:58:38,940 --> 00:58:39,940
She needs the attention.

1352
00:58:39,940 --> 00:58:40,940
That's why.

1353
00:58:40,940 --> 00:58:45,180
So this specific word that she was talking about, quote unquote bombing.

1354
00:58:45,180 --> 00:58:47,660
Probably housed elderly and disabled people.

1355
00:58:47,660 --> 00:58:48,940
Oh, that's so messed up.

1356
00:58:48,940 --> 00:58:53,100
So it's probably like it's not able-bodied people that are able to do this.

1357
00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:54,100
That can just run out of the building.

1358
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:57,100
And she said she was going to give them two hours, but still like to evacuate an entire

1359
00:58:57,100 --> 00:58:58,100
wing of hospital.

1360
00:58:58,100 --> 00:58:59,100
That's so awful.

1361
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:00,260
It is awful.

1362
00:59:00,260 --> 00:59:03,060
So it's just like, it just shows like how much pleasure she gets out of other people's

1363
00:59:03,060 --> 00:59:08,340
pain, like and how she just like, she feels like she's Moses parting the Red Sea.

1364
00:59:08,340 --> 00:59:10,620
Like, you know, like she's that powerful.

1365
00:59:10,620 --> 00:59:11,620
Yeah.

1366
00:59:11,620 --> 00:59:14,260
Ew, that's so fucking narcissistic.

1367
00:59:14,260 --> 00:59:17,940
So what's interesting about all of this is that I'm being honest to her at the time,

1368
00:59:17,940 --> 00:59:19,260
she was actually under surveillance.

1369
00:59:19,260 --> 00:59:22,260
What the fuck is this?

1370
00:59:22,260 --> 00:59:29,260
These invests, we can see you talking into the talkboy.

1371
00:59:29,260 --> 00:59:30,260
Into the talkboy.

1372
00:59:30,260 --> 00:59:32,860
We're actively- Out of payphone.

1373
00:59:32,860 --> 00:59:33,940
Out of payphone.

1374
00:59:33,940 --> 00:59:36,540
No fucking joke.

1375
00:59:36,540 --> 00:59:39,580
That is- James was immediately like, it's Kristen.

1376
00:59:39,580 --> 00:59:40,580
Like I know it's Kristen.

1377
00:59:40,580 --> 00:59:43,620
And they're like, oh yeah, actually we're with her right now.

1378
00:59:43,620 --> 00:59:44,620
We can see you.

1379
00:59:44,620 --> 00:59:48,060
It's like a three way call.

1380
00:59:48,060 --> 00:59:49,060
It's ridiculous.

1381
00:59:49,060 --> 00:59:50,060
What a dummy.

1382
00:59:50,060 --> 00:59:51,060
Dummy.

1383
00:59:51,060 --> 00:59:52,060
Idiot.

1384
00:59:52,060 --> 00:59:58,700
So of course, you know, went through further investigation, eventually they got like an

1385
00:59:58,700 --> 01:00:03,540
actual call trace thing to prove that it was her, but they knew it was her.

1386
01:00:03,540 --> 01:00:06,140
They watched her do it.

1387
01:00:06,140 --> 01:00:09,740
So investigators actually got a search warrant for Kristen's house over her parents' house

1388
01:00:09,740 --> 01:00:12,660
because again, she was in and out of psychiatric treatment.

1389
01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:15,060
She couldn't really maintain an apartment at that point.

1390
01:00:15,060 --> 01:00:19,620
But she's all like, she answers the door and she's like, oh yeah, sure, search everything.

1391
01:00:19,620 --> 01:00:20,620
I have nothing to hide.

1392
01:00:20,620 --> 01:00:21,620
Because it's not your house.

1393
01:00:21,620 --> 01:00:24,620
No, she's an idiot.

1394
01:00:24,620 --> 01:00:33,700
So inside the house, police found medical journals with like literally epinephrine like

1395
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:38,180
circled and like researched and highlighted in multiple books.

1396
01:00:38,180 --> 01:00:41,900
So of course, like they're like, oh well, you know, well, just because she circled epinephrine

1397
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:44,340
doesn't mean she administered epinephrine to anyone, right?

1398
01:00:44,340 --> 01:00:47,620
I mean it is circumstantial, but still it's compelling.

1399
01:00:47,620 --> 01:00:50,540
They found the talk boy.

1400
01:00:50,540 --> 01:00:52,540
With the setting to man.

1401
01:00:52,540 --> 01:00:56,540
With the setting to man.

1402
01:00:56,540 --> 01:01:00,340
Non-suspicious male.

1403
01:01:00,340 --> 01:01:01,340
Not Kristen Gilbert.

1404
01:01:01,340 --> 01:01:02,340
Yeah.

1405
01:01:02,340 --> 01:01:05,340
God, with the setting to man.

1406
01:01:05,340 --> 01:01:07,340
I love that.

1407
01:01:07,340 --> 01:01:09,340
Oh shit.

1408
01:01:09,340 --> 01:01:13,780
Just man in general.

1409
01:01:13,780 --> 01:01:21,100
So there's actually a notebook that contained interrogation tactics and a list of people

1410
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:24,420
who were potential witnesses to her crimes.

1411
01:01:24,420 --> 01:01:26,820
Was she just going to like kill them all?

1412
01:01:26,820 --> 01:01:31,540
Well, okay, so here's the thing is that it kind of implied the intentions of intimidating

1413
01:01:31,540 --> 01:01:32,540
a witness.

1414
01:01:32,540 --> 01:01:37,540
Like you have every intention to do what you've done to James and to Glenn and like the way

1415
01:01:37,540 --> 01:01:42,340
that she's harassed people and do that to people that she worked with.

1416
01:01:42,340 --> 01:01:43,620
How long was the list?

1417
01:01:43,620 --> 01:01:44,620
I don't know.

1418
01:01:44,620 --> 01:01:46,820
It was a hefty list apparently though.

1419
01:01:46,820 --> 01:01:47,820
It had to have been.

1420
01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:50,860
Well, because later we would find out that there's actually over 70 witnesses.

1421
01:01:50,860 --> 01:01:51,860
Oh my gosh.

1422
01:01:51,860 --> 01:01:53,500
To potential crimes.

1423
01:01:53,500 --> 01:02:00,740
Along with this, again, list of potential witnesses, the notebook also contained various

1424
01:02:00,740 --> 01:02:05,100
suicide notes and multiple drafts of various suicide notes.

1425
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:07,020
She just had them ready to rip out and leave them.

1426
01:02:07,020 --> 01:02:08,020
Exactly.

1427
01:02:08,020 --> 01:02:09,020
Exactly.

1428
01:02:09,020 --> 01:02:11,300
That's so calculated.

1429
01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:12,300
It's like sickening.

1430
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:13,300
Yeah, absolutely.

1431
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:18,500
And it was every, every suicide note had a different like wild like scenario.

1432
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:20,460
Yeah, it was just in case.

1433
01:02:20,460 --> 01:02:25,100
So Kristen was actually arrested on federal charges for the false bomb threat.

1434
01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:26,100
You forget it's in a hospital.

1435
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:27,100
Hell yeah.

1436
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:28,100
It's federal.

1437
01:02:28,100 --> 01:02:29,100
Get her ass.

1438
01:02:29,100 --> 01:02:30,100
Right.

1439
01:02:30,100 --> 01:02:31,100
Get her.

1440
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:34,660
So in 1998, almost two years later after the false bomb threat, Kristen was actually

1441
01:02:34,660 --> 01:02:38,020
found guilty and served 15 months in federal prison.

1442
01:02:38,020 --> 01:02:41,020
She hasn't been tried for the murders yet?

1443
01:02:41,020 --> 01:02:42,020
No.

1444
01:02:42,020 --> 01:02:46,820
So it was actually, and there's a reason for that and I'll tell you in just a second.

1445
01:02:46,820 --> 01:02:50,420
She was also ordered to have psychiatric treatment and was found to at this point to

1446
01:02:50,420 --> 01:02:54,660
be suffering from borderline personality disorder or antisocial personality disorder.

1447
01:02:54,660 --> 01:02:55,660
That's a shocker to me.

1448
01:02:55,660 --> 01:02:56,660
I couldn't have told you that.

1449
01:02:56,660 --> 01:02:57,660
I know, right?

1450
01:02:57,660 --> 01:02:59,900
The first five minutes of the episode.

1451
01:02:59,900 --> 01:03:04,540
So while serving her sentence and of course needing a little bit more evidence against

1452
01:03:04,540 --> 01:03:10,020
her for the murders, they actually exhumed the body of all four victims to try that.

1453
01:03:10,020 --> 01:03:15,660
Well, I would say good on the family of the victims for giving them permission to do so.

1454
01:03:15,660 --> 01:03:16,660
Of course.

1455
01:03:16,660 --> 01:03:18,300
Because that's really helpful in a case like this.

1456
01:03:18,300 --> 01:03:24,340
Well, what was really interesting is that Henry Houdon's sister had said that they

1457
01:03:24,340 --> 01:03:27,660
had just believed that it was just a medication mixup.

1458
01:03:27,660 --> 01:03:31,660
And when she was approached by investigators, she was legitimately shocked.

1459
01:03:31,660 --> 01:03:36,100
She was like, wow, I didn't know that this was bigger than just my brother.

1460
01:03:36,100 --> 01:03:38,100
Imagine finding that out.

1461
01:03:38,100 --> 01:03:39,860
That's so awful.

1462
01:03:39,860 --> 01:03:45,860
So again, the bodies were exhumed and through toxicology reports, they did determine that

1463
01:03:45,860 --> 01:03:51,620
they were positive for excessive amounts of epinephrine, clearly.

1464
01:03:51,620 --> 01:03:55,420
So Kristen at age 30 was indicted on murder.

1465
01:03:55,420 --> 01:03:56,420
She's only 30.

1466
01:03:56,420 --> 01:03:57,420
That's what I'm saying.

1467
01:03:57,420 --> 01:04:01,060
At the beginning of this episode, it was like, it's going to be pretty shocking because

1468
01:04:01,060 --> 01:04:04,940
she's not an old lady.

1469
01:04:04,940 --> 01:04:06,940
This isn't a lifelong career.

1470
01:04:06,940 --> 01:04:08,540
Some people we may cover.

1471
01:04:08,540 --> 01:04:11,940
This is something that happened over the span of a few years.

1472
01:04:11,940 --> 01:04:13,820
So yeah, again, age 30.

1473
01:04:13,820 --> 01:04:17,620
She was indicted on murder charges for all four men and also on three counts of attempted

1474
01:04:17,620 --> 01:04:22,180
murder, which from three other people that they could actually prove.

1475
01:04:22,180 --> 01:04:26,940
What was not included in these charges are the presumed 350 murder victims and over 300

1476
01:04:26,940 --> 01:04:30,300
attempted murders throughout her seven-year career as a nurse.

1477
01:04:30,300 --> 01:04:32,020
That's wild.

1478
01:04:32,020 --> 01:04:34,220
She could potentially be responsible for that many-

1479
01:04:34,220 --> 01:04:35,220
That's every day.

1480
01:04:35,220 --> 01:04:36,220
That makes her-

1481
01:04:36,220 --> 01:04:37,220
Multiple times a day.

1482
01:04:37,220 --> 01:04:41,740
If that's true, which I believe that it is, that makes her one of the most notorious serial

1483
01:04:41,740 --> 01:04:42,740
killers in the world.

1484
01:04:42,740 --> 01:04:43,740
Yeah, absolutely.

1485
01:04:43,740 --> 01:04:44,740
A shitload of victims.

1486
01:04:44,740 --> 01:04:49,380
And this is again, like I said, it's presumed and this is more so because of those four

1487
01:04:49,380 --> 01:04:50,380
men that they have.

1488
01:04:50,380 --> 01:04:55,220
They're all within a few months and given as many shifts or as many potential deaths

1489
01:04:55,220 --> 01:05:01,620
or as many cardiac arrests that were recorded, that's what they're saying.

1490
01:05:01,620 --> 01:05:07,300
Because again, when we heard that number earlier, 350, it said at least half of that

1491
01:05:07,300 --> 01:05:12,380
were on her shift or whatever you want to say during the time that she was working.

1492
01:05:12,380 --> 01:05:16,060
What about all the times that other people were working or other people were in control

1493
01:05:16,060 --> 01:05:18,500
of these patients or whatever it is?

1494
01:05:18,500 --> 01:05:21,740
She might have signed off on a lot of those documents, but how many did she create and

1495
01:05:21,740 --> 01:05:22,740
just walk away from?

1496
01:05:22,740 --> 01:05:23,740
Yeah, exactly.

1497
01:05:23,740 --> 01:05:24,740
And that there is no paper trail.

1498
01:05:24,740 --> 01:05:25,740
Exactly.

1499
01:05:25,740 --> 01:05:27,540
That's multiple victims a day or a shit.

1500
01:05:27,540 --> 01:05:33,140
I mean, she's just going to like, oh, number three, number four, number five, literally

1501
01:05:33,140 --> 01:05:34,900
just walking down the hall doing this.

1502
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:36,580
This is insane.

1503
01:05:36,580 --> 01:05:39,620
How freaking cold of a person do you have to be?

1504
01:05:39,620 --> 01:05:40,620
Yeah.

1505
01:05:40,620 --> 01:05:43,220
So there were 70 witnesses and 200 pieces of evidence taken into account.

1506
01:05:43,220 --> 01:05:46,100
The caseload was huge, of course.

1507
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:50,580
Because of the crimes that were committed on federal property, the option for the death

1508
01:05:50,580 --> 01:05:52,540
penalty was on the table.

1509
01:05:52,540 --> 01:05:57,380
Yeah, again, dummy because she called an abomb threat to a federal building and they committed

1510
01:05:57,380 --> 01:05:59,660
these murders in a federal building.

1511
01:05:59,660 --> 01:06:00,660
And they're veterans.

1512
01:06:00,660 --> 01:06:01,660
Like, come on.

1513
01:06:01,660 --> 01:06:03,940
And you took a freaking oath.

1514
01:06:03,940 --> 01:06:05,940
The Hippocratic oath, do no harm.

1515
01:06:05,940 --> 01:06:07,300
That's the first thing on there.

1516
01:06:07,300 --> 01:06:08,980
That's all that you're doing.

1517
01:06:08,980 --> 01:06:14,100
So it's actually, yeah, we know that, but maybe not a lot of people know that it's incredibly

1518
01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:17,580
rare for a woman to get the death penalty.

1519
01:06:17,580 --> 01:06:22,500
What's kind of coincidental or ironic about it is that if she were to be found guilty,

1520
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:27,700
guilty, and sentenced to death, it would be by lethal injection.

1521
01:06:27,700 --> 01:06:28,700
Interesting, right?

1522
01:06:28,700 --> 01:06:29,700
Yeah, that is interesting.

1523
01:06:29,700 --> 01:06:30,700
It goes around, comes around.

1524
01:06:30,700 --> 01:06:34,300
Incredibly ironic for a woman who lethally injected people as an MO.

1525
01:06:34,300 --> 01:06:37,580
So Kristen pleaded not guilty.

1526
01:06:37,580 --> 01:06:38,780
Of course she fucking did.

1527
01:06:38,780 --> 01:06:39,780
Yeah.

1528
01:06:39,780 --> 01:06:41,540
She didn't think that she did anything wrong.

1529
01:06:41,540 --> 01:06:44,300
Like I think about the guy that was diagnosed schizophrenic.

1530
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:46,420
Like she thought that she was helping that guy.

1531
01:06:46,420 --> 01:06:47,420
Yeah.

1532
01:06:47,420 --> 01:06:48,420
She probably did.

1533
01:06:48,420 --> 01:06:50,420
Well, she probably didn't think she was helping.

1534
01:06:50,420 --> 01:06:51,420
I don't know.

1535
01:06:51,420 --> 01:06:52,420
She's terrible.

1536
01:06:52,420 --> 01:06:56,340
Kristen was actually described as stoic, deadpan, and cold throughout the proceedings.

1537
01:06:56,340 --> 01:06:58,100
That does not surprise me at all.

1538
01:06:58,100 --> 01:07:02,300
So on March 14th, 2001, Kristen was found guilty on all charges.

1539
01:07:02,300 --> 01:07:03,300
Good.

1540
01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:04,300
Every single one.

1541
01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:08,140
So four murders and three attempted.

1542
01:07:08,140 --> 01:07:12,260
So Glenn and Kristen's parents had actually pleaded with the court to allow Kristen to

1543
01:07:12,260 --> 01:07:19,140
live because they were worried about Glenn's kids, like psychological things.

1544
01:07:19,140 --> 01:07:21,140
So like their well-being.

1545
01:07:21,140 --> 01:07:22,620
So which kind of makes sense.

1546
01:07:22,620 --> 01:07:26,420
I mean, yeah, but she did leave when they were very young.

1547
01:07:26,420 --> 01:07:31,900
And I don't want to say it's easy, but he could have taken the route of trying to shelter

1548
01:07:31,900 --> 01:07:37,020
them from, you know, that's not totally possible because he doesn't see them and doesn't have

1549
01:07:37,020 --> 01:07:38,020
access to them 24 seven.

1550
01:07:38,020 --> 01:07:39,020
They're going to go to school eventually.

1551
01:07:39,020 --> 01:07:40,860
They're going to hear about these things.

1552
01:07:40,860 --> 01:07:41,860
Right.

1553
01:07:41,860 --> 01:07:47,380
Another thing that a lot of people feel really strongly about even jury members is especially

1554
01:07:47,380 --> 01:07:55,220
when a defendant has children and they have been, you know, convicted of a murder and

1555
01:07:55,220 --> 01:08:00,140
they might have the death penalty on the table is that they're also robbing those children

1556
01:08:00,140 --> 01:08:03,660
from ever getting to know that parent like for the rest of forever.

1557
01:08:03,660 --> 01:08:04,660
Yeah.

1558
01:08:04,660 --> 01:08:05,660
But do they really want to though?

1559
01:08:05,660 --> 01:08:09,940
Well, they may or may not though, but that decision shouldn't be made for them is the

1560
01:08:09,940 --> 01:08:12,580
way that some people feel.

1561
01:08:12,580 --> 01:08:16,700
So she was given four live sentences without the possibility of parole plus 20 more years

1562
01:08:16,700 --> 01:08:19,340
for the attempted for life.

1563
01:08:19,340 --> 01:08:21,460
Four life sentences without parole.

1564
01:08:21,460 --> 01:08:22,460
Yeah.

1565
01:08:22,460 --> 01:08:25,100
So of course, Kristen tried to appeal her conviction.

1566
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:26,580
Don't they all?

1567
01:08:26,580 --> 01:08:32,700
Well, what's interesting is that so she still even to this day claims that she's innocent.

1568
01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:38,820
However, if she were to appeal and they were able to find her guilty again, which they

1569
01:08:38,820 --> 01:08:42,420
would, yeah, the death penalty would be on the table again.

1570
01:08:42,420 --> 01:08:45,420
Therefore she has not ever filed an appeal.

1571
01:08:45,420 --> 01:08:47,460
Yeah, because she's like scared shitless.

1572
01:08:47,460 --> 01:08:51,660
Well, that just that admits and it shows that she knows she's guilty.

1573
01:08:51,660 --> 01:08:54,060
Yeah, that totally shows her guilt.

1574
01:08:54,060 --> 01:08:56,500
Like she knows that she's going to get convicted again.

1575
01:08:56,500 --> 01:08:57,500
Yeah, exactly.

1576
01:08:57,500 --> 01:08:59,500
So anyways, that's Kristen Gilbert.

1577
01:08:59,500 --> 01:09:06,620
That is a truly tragic story and the fact that she was able to have access to that many patients

1578
01:09:06,620 --> 01:09:10,500
and ultimately end all of their lives is terrible.

1579
01:09:10,500 --> 01:09:14,220
It is terrible, especially veterans, people who have survived wars.

1580
01:09:14,220 --> 01:09:15,220
Yeah.

1581
01:09:15,220 --> 01:09:17,580
And they can't know when they go over there.

1582
01:09:17,580 --> 01:09:21,460
The other person is at least they know that this person is trying to kill them.

1583
01:09:21,460 --> 01:09:22,460
Yeah.

1584
01:09:22,460 --> 01:09:28,660
But you come in seeking help from medical emergency or medical issue and yeah, safe places that

1585
01:09:28,660 --> 01:09:29,660
you can be.

1586
01:09:29,660 --> 01:09:30,660
Yeah.

1587
01:09:30,660 --> 01:09:31,660
And so you think.

1588
01:09:31,660 --> 01:09:33,500
And again, you're in a federal building.

1589
01:09:33,500 --> 01:09:34,500
Yeah.

1590
01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:36,940
Like you are in a veteran hospital.

1591
01:09:36,940 --> 01:09:39,660
You think that you are going to get the best treatment.

1592
01:09:39,660 --> 01:09:40,660
Yeah.

1593
01:09:40,660 --> 01:09:41,660
You know, it's just really sad.

1594
01:09:41,660 --> 01:09:46,820
Did she ever get actually diagnosed with anything or did she we just speculating here?

1595
01:09:46,820 --> 01:09:50,820
She currently resides in a prison in Fort Worth, Texas.

1596
01:09:50,820 --> 01:09:51,820
She's still alive.

1597
01:09:51,820 --> 01:09:52,820
Yeah.

1598
01:09:52,820 --> 01:09:53,820
Oh yeah.

1599
01:09:53,820 --> 01:09:54,820
How old is she?

1600
01:09:54,820 --> 01:09:56,660
Well, she was convicted when she was 30 and that had to have been 98.

1601
01:09:56,660 --> 01:09:57,660
She's got to be.

1602
01:09:57,660 --> 01:09:58,660
Oh, she's 54.

1603
01:09:58,660 --> 01:09:59,660
Oh, she's 55.

1604
01:09:59,660 --> 01:10:00,660
55.

1605
01:10:00,660 --> 01:10:01,660
Oh, she's kind of ugly.

1606
01:10:01,660 --> 01:10:03,300
Well, she was really pretty back then.

1607
01:10:03,300 --> 01:10:06,700
If you look at pictures of her, she's like blonde.

1608
01:10:06,700 --> 01:10:07,700
I don't know.

1609
01:10:07,700 --> 01:10:09,620
She probably she's probably a pill popper.

1610
01:10:09,620 --> 01:10:13,060
Well, that's like a really like thank you for sharing that.

1611
01:10:13,060 --> 01:10:14,540
I knew a little bit about that case.

1612
01:10:14,540 --> 01:10:16,340
I had no idea about the things with Glenn.

1613
01:10:16,340 --> 01:10:17,540
Like that's intense.

1614
01:10:17,540 --> 01:10:22,180
Glenn, I just like the entirety and this is all stuff I had to like find.

1615
01:10:22,180 --> 01:10:23,180
Yeah.

1616
01:10:23,180 --> 01:10:28,220
It wasn't like just on like wiki, you know, like you had to I had to really dig into and

1617
01:10:28,220 --> 01:10:31,300
just kind of figure out like what that mindset might be like.

1618
01:10:31,300 --> 01:10:32,300
Yeah.

1619
01:10:32,300 --> 01:10:36,220
Anyway, so but like I mentioned earlier that she had borderline personality disorder with

1620
01:10:36,220 --> 01:10:41,380
anti-social behaviors, borderline personality disorder is described as a mental disorder

1621
01:10:41,380 --> 01:10:45,220
that's characterized by unstable moods, behaviors and relationships.

1622
01:10:45,220 --> 01:10:49,260
Clearly, she's hit and eat every single one of those.

1623
01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:53,900
So the cause of borderline personality disorder isn't really well understood at this point,

1624
01:10:53,900 --> 01:10:56,860
but diagnosis is made through symptoms.

1625
01:10:56,860 --> 01:11:03,020
So some of those symptoms are emotional instability, feelings of worthlessness, insecurity, impulsivity

1626
01:11:03,020 --> 01:11:07,340
and impaired social relationships like to a T. This is Kristin.

1627
01:11:07,340 --> 01:11:13,020
So people might experience anti-social behavior, compulsive behaviors, hostility, impulsivity,

1628
01:11:13,020 --> 01:11:19,020
irritability, risk taking behaviors, self-destructive behavior, self-harm, which she again had claimed

1629
01:11:19,020 --> 01:11:22,580
to have done and eventually did do.

1630
01:11:22,580 --> 01:11:27,180
Social isolation or lack of restraint that again sounds like Kristin.

1631
01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:31,460
The moods you might experience are going to be anger, anxiety, general discontent, guilt,

1632
01:11:31,460 --> 01:11:34,540
loneliness, mood swings or sadness.

1633
01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:40,980
Psychologically, you'll experience depression, distorted self-images, grandiosity or narcissism.

1634
01:11:40,980 --> 01:11:44,020
And of course, also very common are thoughts of suicide.

1635
01:11:44,020 --> 01:11:47,740
Grandiosity is like when you think like more highly of yourself than everybody else.

1636
01:11:47,740 --> 01:11:51,420
You're like, oh, I'm more important than you.

1637
01:11:51,420 --> 01:11:55,380
So treatment usually consists of some type of therapy like talk therapy.

1638
01:11:55,380 --> 01:12:00,940
In some cases, there are medications available and hospitalization even if like if some

1639
01:12:00,940 --> 01:12:03,140
symptoms are really severe.

1640
01:12:03,140 --> 01:12:10,580
So some of the therapies you might seek would be cognitive behavioral therapies, anger management,

1641
01:12:10,580 --> 01:12:16,700
dialectical behavior therapy, transference focused psychotherapy, some other types of

1642
01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:19,060
psychotherapy and then schemia therapy.

1643
01:12:19,060 --> 01:12:20,060
So yeah.

1644
01:12:20,060 --> 01:12:23,300
That's like super interesting.

1645
01:12:23,300 --> 01:12:26,460
Borderline personality disorder is very hard to diagnose.

1646
01:12:26,460 --> 01:12:30,300
Borderline personality disorder is very unique because it's like, you know right from wrong,

1647
01:12:30,300 --> 01:12:33,460
but you don't care in some cases.

1648
01:12:33,460 --> 01:12:36,740
And that's what can make people that are diagnosed with those illnesses or suffering from those

1649
01:12:36,740 --> 01:12:40,660
illnesses very unpredictable and very violent.

1650
01:12:40,660 --> 01:12:43,180
And then they seemingly have no remorse.

1651
01:12:43,180 --> 01:12:44,180
Wow.

1652
01:12:44,180 --> 01:12:45,580
That was an intense case.

1653
01:12:45,580 --> 01:12:46,580
It really is.

1654
01:12:46,580 --> 01:12:47,580
Yeah.

1655
01:12:47,580 --> 01:12:54,260
I really wish that they could have charged her for all of the victims that she unfortunately

1656
01:12:54,260 --> 01:12:59,940
took lives from because I think everybody deserves to have that justice.

1657
01:12:59,940 --> 01:13:07,860
But I also understand the want to like make sure you have concrete evidence and only kind

1658
01:13:07,860 --> 01:13:11,420
of narrow down those charges in order to make sure that she goes away for good.

1659
01:13:11,420 --> 01:13:12,420
Right.

1660
01:13:12,420 --> 01:13:16,660
I feel like that is a pretty serious accusation and especially in a federal building knowing

1661
01:13:16,660 --> 01:13:21,420
that it was likely going to end up in the conviction that it did.

1662
01:13:21,420 --> 01:13:25,820
I'm sure these investigators wanted to make sure they had as much proof as possible.

1663
01:13:25,820 --> 01:13:28,820
And especially if they thought that they only had one chance to get it right.

1664
01:13:28,820 --> 01:13:29,820
I know.

1665
01:13:29,820 --> 01:13:30,820
Absolutely.

1666
01:13:30,820 --> 01:13:31,820
Well thanks for sharing.

1667
01:13:31,820 --> 01:13:33,820
I really hope that everybody is enjoying our content.

1668
01:13:33,820 --> 01:13:35,660
I hope that we're being thorough enough in our research.

1669
01:13:35,660 --> 01:13:36,660
I think that we are.

1670
01:13:36,660 --> 01:13:40,300
So if you have anything that you want to add we're going to be working on getting that

1671
01:13:40,300 --> 01:13:41,980
line of communication open pretty soon.

1672
01:13:41,980 --> 01:13:45,340
So we'll let you know as soon as we have everything set up.

1673
01:13:45,340 --> 01:13:47,540
And maybe by the time you're watching this we might.

1674
01:13:47,540 --> 01:13:48,540
Yeah.

1675
01:13:48,540 --> 01:13:49,540
Absolutely.

1676
01:13:49,540 --> 01:13:52,740
So we'll let you know about that and we will be back.

1677
01:13:52,740 --> 01:13:55,860
I think we're going to try to start posting content on Thursdays.

1678
01:13:55,860 --> 01:13:56,860
So we'll post.

1679
01:13:56,860 --> 01:13:57,860
Yeah.

1680
01:13:57,860 --> 01:13:58,860
We'll be posting on Thursdays.

1681
01:13:58,860 --> 01:14:01,620
So we'll be looking out for those new episodes on Thursdays.

1682
01:14:01,620 --> 01:14:03,020
And we will see you next time.

1683
01:14:03,020 --> 01:14:04,020
Yeah.

1684
01:14:04,020 --> 01:14:06,660
We're going to really try to stick to a weekly schedule for you guys.

1685
01:14:06,660 --> 01:14:07,660
Alright.

1686
01:14:07,660 --> 01:14:08,660
Well, until next time.

1687
01:14:08,660 --> 01:14:09,660
Love you.

1688
01:14:09,660 --> 01:14:10,660
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1689
01:14:10,660 --> 01:14:29,660
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