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Hello!

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Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer. I'm Kena.

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And I'm Koel.

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This is kind of the mental breakdown, kind of a DAK live.

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We decided to just mush them together today because we are going to recap the true crime and paranormal podcast festival 2024.

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Yes, from Denver, Colorado.

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We're so fortunate to attend EAD again this year and to be featured there.

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And yeah, it was a good trip.

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Yeah, definitely. It was a lot.

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A lot of ups, lots of downs.

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You know, how it happens when your adults and your brain doesn't function the way that it once did when you were young last.

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So yeah, like, Kena, sorry.

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What Kena said, usually on our DAK lives, we also have a third guest.

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It is very minimal editing, if any at all.

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And it's just really candid. It's more of like, I don't know, like a banter conversation, things like that throughout the whole episode.

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So it's just raw, unedited, and fun.

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Yeah, it's as the kids call soups-cash.

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Soups-cash.

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Or as kids, I mean us a year or two ago in the podcast, but we used to say that all the time.

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Soups-cash.

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Did I, yeah, soups-cash.

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Did I tell you how to spell cash recently?

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I think we've discussed it at the festival, actually.

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C-A-S-J-E.

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Cash.

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Hmm.

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I would say C-A-Z-H.

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Cash.

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Yeah, but that looks like ca-ca-s...

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I don't know.

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Looks like cash.

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Looks like cash.

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It looks like cash. It smells like cash. It might be cash.

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It might be cash.

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We are going to get into the breakdown of the festival, but do you want to give everyone our social media handles if it's their first time here?

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Social media.

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Sure, you can check us out anywhere on social media at Diagnosing a Killer, other than ex, formerly known as Twitter.

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That is at Killer Diagnosis.

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We also have a PayPal Venmo Cash App if you want to support us monetarily.

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We also have that Patreon that gets an exclusive bonus episode once a month towards the end of the month.

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Tier 1, you get ad-free mental breakdown episodes.

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And then tiers 3 and 4 get access to that bonus episode.

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Yeah, the bonus episode's coming up pretty soon.

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I'm so excited.

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I don't know how you're doing, but maybe we can announce at the end of this episode?

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Yeah, I think that's appropriate.

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Yes, I think we typically do, maybe like a week out.

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So, let's talk about it.

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Which part?

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Well, I actually got to Denver a few hours early.

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I went with mom and dad, and the reason mom and dad were with us is because it was my birthday that weekend and I didn't want to be alone.

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So, they went with us.

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I went a little bit earlier in the day with them.

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We got there around 1.30.

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And then, Coelle and her boyfriend Cliff joined us around 10.30 that night.

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Yeah, it was a little late.

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Yeah, so when I showed up, we of course went to get some food and then we got logged in, not logged in, checked into the Airbnb.

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Excuse me.

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And we actually went over to the hotel to check everything out.

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I was really eager to get into the gallery, although it didn't open until 7.00.

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But there was a content creator only mixer.

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And so, I was able to go to that and say hello to some people that I recognized last year.

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And I wanted to wait until you got there to meet new podcasters that we didn't know because I didn't want to...

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Well, one, not me with my co-host, but I didn't want to...

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Oh, these people I met yesterday, all these people, here you go.

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You know, you don't know them, so it's just easier to wait.

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But finally, I think you were texting me and you were like, I have to know where we're at.

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Because we had like a drawing of the gallery and like everything was numbered, but we didn't know what number we were.

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Yeah.

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And so, I walked in finally and I got our number.

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And we actually happened to be like almost smackdown in the middle, which was really cool.

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Yeah.

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I think that, yeah, I think just to give everyone kind of a general idea,

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the Denver airport is about 30, 35 minutes away from where we were actually staying and participating in the con.

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The con was actually at Westminster, what, Marriott?

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Yeah, I think so.

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And so, our Airbnb was about 7, 8 minutes away from there, which wasn't too bad at all.

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We actually had one of my dear friends and a very loyal listener, Louis,

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and his mother, who was also a loyal listener and hugest merch supporter.

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Oh, yeah.

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And Andrea as well, which is Louis' sister.

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And then Archie, which is Louis' cousin.

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Yes.

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And his mom is Lisa, by the way.

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Yes, his mom is Lisa.

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So, Lisa lives here in San Antonio with us and then Louis in San Francisco Bay Area.

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I think Andrea is like San Diego Riverside.

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And they were like 7 hours away from each other, even though they both live in California.

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Louis is like, it's weird because we're all flying in and out into and from different places.

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It was really cool to have that support.

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And yeah, so we get there and then, of course, yeah, I'm stuck at the airport with Cliff.

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And so, I had seen a photo of the gallery and Lisa and Lainey, who are the co-founders of the festival,

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they don't tell you where you are until you get there, just out of fairness for everyone.

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You know, you don't want to be like, oh, I don't want to be in the corner.

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Can I switch with so-and-so?

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And so, they give you a little map that's on the website and, like, kind of set it.

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All the tables are numbered.

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And so, I was like, when you get there, please tell me what number we want to know.

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And yeah, so you and mom and dad went to the mixer.

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We all went to the hotel.

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Dad stayed at the bar, the hotel bar, because I think there was baseball on and we're big

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baseball fans of this family.

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And mom did pop into the mixer with me, but we were only there for just a little bit.

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And then, we decided to head back.

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You guys said that your flight was delayed, like, maybe 15, 20 minutes.

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And so, I'm sorry, I think it was getting in early on the way in, the one the way out,

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it was delayed.

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And so, that being the case, I only had a certain amount of time.

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I had packed all of, like, most all of our merch in my check bag.

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So I dropped mom and dad back off at the Airbnb, grabbed the suitcase full of merch.

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I only had, like, four items in there that were actually mine.

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Everything else was in merch.

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And then, I brought it back to the hotel.

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And I had about 45 minutes to set up.

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So I just kind of did the table as best I could.

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Well, then I quickly realized that the merch to table ratio was not good.

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And the table just so happened to be a little bit smaller than the table we had last year.

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So I think I was anticipating the size that we had last year.

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Well, the good news is, the reason why it was smaller and thinner was because we had

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about twice as many podcasts there this year.

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I will take it.

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You know, it was like, we can have a little bit less space if more people can be here.

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It was probably twice as many creators.

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I think there was, like, 86 tables overall.

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And last year, we had the tables kind of to the side of the table, like, I'm sorry, the

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chairs to each side of the table.

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And this year, we were able to sit behind our booth, which was really nice.

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So we're chatting to the people behind us and to the left of us and to the right of

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us and really sweet people.

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Like, you know, we say this every year, there's a reason that we're all there.

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There's some type of commonality between experiences.

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And I think that's what draws us so much to true crime and advocacy and things like that

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is we've all had experiences.

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So to really listen to those stories again and regit to know people and meet new people

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all over again was so fun.

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Yeah, I think it was also really cool.

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We were able to get our booth set up for the most part on Friday night.

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So that Saturday morning, bright-eyed, bushy tailed, we got up, we went straight to the

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festival and we were already set up.

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Totally unlike last year.

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Last year, we were a few hours late and set up late.

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And we got called out.

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We had, well, what, crime with my coffee was like, oh, there's those DAK girls.

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They're rolling in.

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They're rolling in 10 p.m. or 10 a.m. guys.

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So yeah, we were able to show up and that gave us a good opportunity to start to meet

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people because we didn't have to spend any time setting up on Saturday morning.

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So speaking of new podcasts, we had two sets of ladies on either side of us that were really

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great to our right.

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I think we had a podcast called Deranged De Jure.

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And they are two lawyers and they talk about anything deranged.

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The De Jure, obviously, like it's a French, what is it, like jury or something?

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Is that what that means?

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Instead of like De Jure, like of the day.

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So it's kind of like a play on words.

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They were really, really cool.

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And I love the expertise.

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They had like their laptops out and everything during the con at that was really fun.

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It was so fun.

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They were working.

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And then the ladies to our left, their podcast is called Dark City.

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And they are doing a season podcast where every season they talk about something, they

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talk about a specific city and they talk about dark stories from those cities.

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And that is, I think they're doing LA for their first season.

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They did LA, yeah.

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As their first season.

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And I don't know how many episodes they said they had.

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They're just going to keep going until they feel like they're not going to.

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They said that they had just started a few months ago, but they had been working on the

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podcast for a while before they released episodes.

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So those are two really off the bat, two really cool podcasts that we met.

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And I don't think they do just true crime either.

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They also do, they do missing persons report or missing persons cases, but they also do

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paranormal things like they've done Cecil Hotel.

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And so yeah, it's pretty cool because it's not just one angle.

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It's everything interesting about the history of a city, which is cool.

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I actually did listen to a little bit of one of their episodes the other day and it is

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very history forwards.

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I thought that was really interesting.

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So if you like history and dark stories, that's a good podcast to listen to.

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Total sidebar too.

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And Kenna said that she only packed herself four or five items.

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We have a uniform and I think that's a little easily explainable is that it's just black

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yoga pants and one of our shirts and either vans or converse.

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So very black and white, minimal color, just red, which is in our logo.

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But other than that, that's all we needed to really bring for ourselves.

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So I just kind of want to pepper that in.

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I didn't like sacrifice because of the merch.

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Like I only needed a few things and I had a carry on too that had my stuff as well.

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It's lovely if we need to just jet set to a convention.

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We just need to bring a backpack really.

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We're not bringing merch.

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So my manifesting crime con for next year, even though it's going to be in Denver again,

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we're going to just have to go.

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It's round to the north.

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So yeah, that was Saturday morning.

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That was pretty much Saturday morning.

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And then we had, but you found out a little bit of information Friday night at the mixer,

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didn't you?

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Maybe about 2025.

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I was like, what did I find out?

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I actually found out shortly before the mixer because I got an email and it has been confirmed

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that we are going to Blustin next year for the True Crime Podcast Festival 2025.

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And that is actually going to just be the True Crime Podcast Festival.

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The paranormal folks, as much as we love them are getting their own festival.

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I'm really happy for them, but I'm sad for us because we're going to miss them.

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But they are going to have their own festival called Beyond the Veil and that is going to

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be held in New Orleans next September.

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I'm not sure of the date, but I know that the True Crime Podcast Festival is in Boston

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and I think it's the 18th through the 20th of July.

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Yes.

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So that's going to be really exciting.

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And we're going to make this a destination trip because you and I have both been to Colorado

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many times.

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So we didn't really feel the need to like put in extra like time while we were there to

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explore.

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Although we kind of did, but next year we're definitely going to make it like a week long

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trip so that we have plenty of time to explore somewhere we've never been.

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Well, I'll talk about it in a little bit, but one of our meeting, what would you call

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that?

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Introductions, meeting someone was just from Generation Y.

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Oh, yes.

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And that was on Saturday as well.

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I've been listening to Generation Y and I can say that I am obsessed.

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And you don't listen to podcasts, so that's saying something.

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I don't.

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I love their banter and the amount of information they give.

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I really set a tone for the setting, whatever year it might be or whatever town it might

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be.

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And they really go in depth.

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I am obsessed, but I will make pull it up for her.

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Sorry.

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This is a moment in which we would usually pause.

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Yes.

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Well, while you're doing that, I know she's looking something up.

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Yeah.

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I was a little starstruck meeting Justin.

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Unfortunately, Aaron, the other person of Generation Y couldn't be there, but we did

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get to meet Justin.

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And I actually caught a little bit of his panel right before we met him and they did

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conspiracies of the Denver Airport and things like that.

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But I wanted to just say hello and I like his podcast and it's admirable that they've

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been podcasting for 12 years.

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And then we ended up having a 30-minute long conversation with him, just the nicest guy.

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Soup's cash.

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Yeah, soup's cash.

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30-minute long conversation with Justin from not only Generation Y, but the peripheral.

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Just like a really, really down-to-earth guy, he knows how many followers he has on Instagram

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and that never once showed.

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It wasn't like, oh, how I like, you know who I am.

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You know, like he was another dude.

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Unfortunately, we have seen that before with podcasts.

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We have.

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But yeah, I didn't know who he was, so I didn't really care.

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So I was just like, oh, hey, what's up?

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And you're like, this guy.

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Like it's Justin.

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Like, don't know who that is.

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You're like, I know too many Justin's.

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That's so true.

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So they covered on Generation Y the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum.

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And it's in Boston.

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And they covered this and released it June 16th.

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So this is before they would know that it's in Boston next year.

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So interesting.

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I want to see how close it is to where we're going to be at.

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It's going to be at the Double Tree, really close to Salem.

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So mom and I have already decided we're going to make a spooky trip.

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Oh yeah, definitely.

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I'd like to go as well.

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No, you're not invited.

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Oh, OK.

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Well, another thing that I'll just go with the paranormal people then.

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Another thing that I thought was funny was like, we crossed paths with Justin last year

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at the festival 2023 because he was there with the peripheral.

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I didn't even realize.

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I didn't even put the two and two together until this year that he was the same guy.

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So I don't know if we met him or not, but I definitely got some of his merch last year.

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That's cool.

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But yeah, that was really cool.

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And then we of course saw Jason from Santa May be a criminal and he has a new podcast

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out called Missing in a Moment where he covers missing persons cases and he releases the episodes

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on the anniversary of the missing persons date, which I think is really cool.

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And he does that with his partner, Carly.

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And she is a really, very, very nice person.

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And of course we got to see some survivors, John and Sean, they did great on the panel.

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They are a who.

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And they were just, I mean, networking.

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You talk about someone that wants to network.

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I love it.

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They're awesome.

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And I was telling them how excited I was for them.

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Their whole look, like their logo, like I love that purple.

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It's so, it pops.

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And the whole like really leaning into the Sin City type vibe.

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The poker chips that they have as their business card essentially is such a unique idea.

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And they had individual bags of like actual chips, potato chips.

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Oh, chips and chips.

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Yeah, that was fun.

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And like every once in a while we just look over at their booth and we just, everybody

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would just lock eyes at this guy.

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They were right across from us.

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Wave.

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Honestly, you'd think they had like a whole damn marketing team.

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Like they're really that good at it.

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Like they're all over social media and everything.

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Lots of fun.

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We got some really cool little 360 photos with them too.

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Got to see my friend CJ from Beyond the Rainbow podcast.

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CJ covers cases from the LGBTQ plus community to raise awareness about that.

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Yeah, and we ended up, sorry, we ended up doing a merch swap with CJ as well.

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And so we got some really cool shirts.

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I got a shirt that says, life's too beautiful to be hidden in a closet.

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Yes.

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And then the one that I have has a bunch of different skeletons in like rainbow order

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and it says no bones about it.

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Love is love.

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I love that.

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She had a lot of really cute designs, but I wanted one that I could wear to work and

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I work with kiddos.

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So obviously I couldn't have any euphemisms or like in new windows on this shirt.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Yeah, because there was some that said like, I don't know, something about cock.

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No, it was foul language.

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It wasn't anything about cock.

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I think some of them might have said something about cock.

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Oh God.

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Hey, you know what, whatever.

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There's going to be a warning on this one, explicit language.

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Yeah, there's going to have to be foul language.

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Foul language.

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There we go.

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Who else do we meet?

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Oh my gosh.

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I have to talk about the sluice.

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Oh yeah.

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So there's this new podcast.

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I say new podcasts because they just started releasing episodes like last year, I want

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to say, but they worked on this for like two whole years.

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I started binging them like a couple weeks before the con and it's a retired FBI agent

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and a former investigative journalist.

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And oh my God, like the way they set this up, it's like soups professional, obviously.

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It's like you hear like Katie, who's like the investigative journalist, she's like,

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she does the voice and everything.

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And then M, who is the FBI agent, goes in like more detail in the story.

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And I was like really a starstruck.

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I was looking for them like all night on Friday and I couldn't find them.

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And then I saw them on Saturday morning because their booth was like behind us into the right

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a little bit.

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But they were so networky as well.

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They were never like, well not never, but they were hardly together at their booth.

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And so I was waiting for an opportunity to go up when both of them were there.

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And at one point I was like, fuck it.

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Like I can't, I can't keep thinking about this.

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Like I'm nervous.

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So I just locked up and started talking to M and then eventually Katie made her way over.

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They never really sat down.

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They were kind of, oops, sorry.

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They never really sat down there.

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They're kind of always in front of their booth, catching people as they walk by, which was

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really cool.

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Really smart, honestly.

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We were fucking sitting down for the most part.

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Come to us, please.

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Yeah.

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No, but they were really cool.

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Y'all should check them out.

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Tooth Sleuths.

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Tooth Sleuths is the name of the podcast.

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And they have koozies that say Sleuth Juice.

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Love it.

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Yeah, that's a really cool concept.

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And definitely like if you're looking for that more professional like 2020 sounding podcast,

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that's definitely them.

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For sure.

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Cool.

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Susto.

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Love Aiden.

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If y'all don't listen to Susto's podcast, please do.

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Please do.

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It is very like cultura heavy with like the spookiness and the lore, the folklore.

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And it is, he did a reading and then he opened it up for Q&A to ask questions or, you know,

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he went through his whole research process and it was really fun.

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He also did Girl Who Dance with the Devil, which was really interesting.

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And he said it's one of his favorite tales.

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If you haven't listened to it, go listen to it right now.

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Okay.

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Okay, she's just cutting back.

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And he said that it's one of his favorites because every, you know, this has been translated

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through different cultures and different, you know, parts of the world.

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But in every version, there is one constant and it is a girl who did, who dabbled with

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bad things or a girl who was tempted by temptation and took that and ended up dancing with a

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devil, you know?

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Yeah.

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And how she was, it's a girl who's breaking the rules.

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Yeah.

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And it's a warning, it's a heed, you know, a heed to not break the rules or bend the rules

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as a girl.

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You need to be a good person, yeah.

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You're a good girl.

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And I think that's the first part of his panel because I was stuck in the bathroom without

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toilet paper, but you've rescued me.

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And then we came to the end of it.

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I was like, I can't leave right now.

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I know.

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Because like the lights had just come up and then people were asking questions.

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Yeah.

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And I was like, I wanted to ask my question, but I didn't want to like get up and leave.

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I was just on TikTok, it's fine.

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But when we got back in there and then he said, I have time for, excuse me, another story.

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And then that's what he told that story.

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He like, on beyond, because I didn't see it the first time.

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So like the lights went off and you had this like fake fire candle that like look at it

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was in the back.

427
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It was literally like courage the cow.

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It was like, it was a dog and stole me.

429
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No, it's so good.

430
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Like, and the thing is, like, it was so impressive.

431
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He didn't stutter like one time.

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No, but he, there was no, I'm saying like, like none of that.

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It was just perfect.

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Obviously he was reading a script and I'm not right now, but it was the delivery delivery.

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It was awesome.

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I bet Aiden does minimal editing.

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I bet he does no editing.

438
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,240
He does no editing.

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He gets it right the first time every time.

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He's just perfect.

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He is.

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So go check out Aiden and Sisto podcast.

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We actually tagged him in our post about TCPF because we have a photo with him.

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So go look at his cute face and we're going to meet up with him soon because he's only

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in Austin and we're super close.

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So we're really talking about going to one of his live shows or even just going up there

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for, I don't know, the day.

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00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:27,080
And if you're in the New Orleans area next September, you can also catch him at, what's

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the podcast?

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Beyond the Vale.

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I don't want to say broken Vale.

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We could definitely go to that.

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I feel like it's not that far.

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It's nine hours.

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It's not that bad.

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We could fly.

457
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It's like 80 bucks.

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I don't know how to fly.

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Don't let your arms get tired.

460
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Don't talk to me without my morning coffee.

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Oh my gosh.

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00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:53,440
So yeah, we definitely wanted to go to some panels this year, which I think we did a good

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job at.

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I definitely got a good grasp on like what a panel is.

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It's actually not as like daunting as I thought it was, especially when there's multiple people

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up there.

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So we may have to do one next year.

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Maybe.

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Maybe.

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Maybe.

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We'll see.

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In Boston.

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In Boston.

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And then Saturday night was the VIP only mixer.

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And that was a very good time, but we were so tired.

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I mean, it was like at 7 p.m.

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We had been there all day and just our voices were tired.

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It was hot outside and we walked for lunch.

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Yeah, we did.

480
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It was fine.

481
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No, it was great.

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But yeah, just a long, long day and we knew we still had to get up the next morning and

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kind of do not do it all over again.

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But you know, we were going to be back the next morning.

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And so we decided to just call it at like 7.38.

486
00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:41,960
We did get to talk to some VIPs.

487
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:42,960
I passed out our bracelets.

488
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,120
We made special bracelets just for them.

489
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:50,520
And then Saturday night, I mean, we pretty much just went straight to bed when we got

490
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:51,520
back.

491
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,680
Normally we would hang out and, you know, do something like watch a movie or something

492
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,400
at the place.

493
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,400
That was my toe.

494
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:58,400
Toe?

495
00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,400
Yeah.

496
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,400
Yeah.

497
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:07,280
Cliff and I are just, we're at season 11 now of Van Rappump Rules.

498
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,280
Oh gosh.

499
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,880
And, you know, when I was watching season 11, when it first came out earlier this year,

500
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,280
it was a lot of me talking about it, you know, because of Scandival and all this stuff.

501
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,640
And it was a lot of me having to explain, pausing every two seconds, being like, well, the

502
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,200
reason she said this is because of this and this person has a history of this.

503
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,200
And he's like, babe, I can just watch it.

504
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,200
Really?

505
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,200
Okay.

506
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,000
And so now we're caught up.

507
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,520
But I think we've watched maybe two episodes, one or two episodes that night.

508
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:36,520
Yeah.

509
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,520
Early bedtime.

510
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:38,520
Yeah.

511
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:39,520
1030 maybe.

512
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,360
Sunday morning, we got up and we went, we did actually have a couple of hours, but we

513
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,880
got there and it kind of seemed like a lot of people were packing up.

514
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,040
I know people were flying out that day.

515
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,920
And so we hung out for maybe an hour or two.

516
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:55,480
And then we decided to call it maybe 30 minutes earlier than the festival ending because there

517
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,480
wasn't a lot of people.

518
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,760
There wasn't a lot of people and it was also my birthday.

519
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,640
And I was like, yo, love you guys.

520
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,360
But we got stuffed and do we said our goodbyes.

521
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:05,840
We got all of our merch and stuff.

522
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,440
We got like another little goodie bag full of merch.

523
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:16,360
And we went and picked up Louie because Lisa, Andrea and Archie all had earlier flights

524
00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,560
than Louie on Sunday.

525
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,400
He wanted to hang out a little bit.

526
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,280
So we went and scooped him up and then we went to originally we were going to go to

527
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,720
this little kind of brunchy place and that didn't work out.

528
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,120
It was like a 30 or something minute wait.

529
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:33,320
And then y'all were so funny.

530
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,320
I'm an ass.

531
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,320
Okay.

532
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,320
So like I have very particular, she gave me eyes just now.

533
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,520
Oh, I keep kicking this thing.

534
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:48,080
I have a very particular, I don't know what you call it, like sensitivity, food sensitivities,

535
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,080
I suppose.

536
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,840
I avoid certain foods like chicken and dairy.

537
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:53,840
It gets weird though.

538
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,760
It's like green beans asparagus.

539
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,600
It sounds like I can't eat anything, but it works for my body.

540
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,400
It's the reason I've lost a lot of weight over the last two years.

541
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,840
And I feel better just in general.

542
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,800
I don't have tummy issues, you know, things like that.

543
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,640
So I was looking forward to eating this place because they had a vegan quinoa bowl and it

544
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:15,640
looked really yummy.

545
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,120
And so I was really excited.

546
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,440
It's kind of like, well, there's a place over there.

547
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,440
What was it called?

548
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,640
Oh, not knockouts, but it was called...

549
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,240
It was like a play on some boxing term.

550
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,440
Oh, it was called a bout time, like B-O-U-T.

551
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,440
That's right.

552
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,920
I don't know how that's a bout.

553
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:33,920
Like a bout is a fight.

554
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,800
Yeah, so I had like boxing gloves and I was like, God, I don't want to eat greasy bar

555
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:39,800
food.

556
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,440
I was like, it's about time we eat.

557
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,440
I'm fucking hungry.

558
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,440
I was not having it.

559
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,440
She was so annoyed by me.

560
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,640
But I was also like, it's my birthday, so we're going.

561
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:47,640
Yeah.

562
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,640
I was like, I don't have my mind though.

563
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:49,640
I didn't say it out loud because I'm not rude.

564
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:50,640
You should have.

565
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:51,640
It's my birthday.

566
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,640
Maybe.

567
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,160
So we went over and I was like, whatever.

568
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,840
You know, I've been good-ish, although I have one of those Jimmy Dean breakfast sandwiches

569
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:01,840
the day before.

570
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,120
My stomach was just not having it.

571
00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:05,640
And see, that's what happens when I cheat.

572
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,760
Anyways, we go in and the place is clean.

573
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:10,760
Very clean.

574
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:16,400
It's like, it smelled clean and it didn't look like anything really on the outside.

575
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,680
I'm thinking this is going to be like, it's going to smell like stale smoke and like there's

576
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,080
going to be a pool table in the corner, which there was.

577
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,760
But it just, it was very clean, very clean.

578
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,160
The waitress immediately was like, sit wherever you want.

579
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,160
Yeah.

580
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,160
Or bartender rather.

581
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,160
And so she was, she had patrons at the bar and then she also had us.

582
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,720
And I remember at one time at one point it was like her partner and then her son came

583
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:39,720
in.

584
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,720
Yeah.

585
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,720
And her daughter too.

586
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,760
And her daughter, oh my God, and that little, excuse me, I got bit clipped.

587
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,680
That little boy was so cute.

588
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,960
So we look at the menu and we're like, okay, this is, this looks like good shit.

589
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,880
It was an impressive array of items.

590
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,880
It was.

591
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:54,880
And so what did you have?

592
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:55,880
You had the...

593
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,880
I got a patty melt and I shouldn't have.

594
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:58,880
Oh, that's right.

595
00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:59,880
I did.

596
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,880
Because when we were talking about food sensitivities, I don't eat bread.

597
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:02,880
Yeah.

598
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,480
And I did that whole weekend and I fucking...

599
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,480
She died.

600
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,480
I did.

601
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,760
I had the, what did I have?

602
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,280
You had a po-boy.

603
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,280
Oh, that's right.

604
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:19,600
I had a shrimp po-boy and then shrimp was so, like there was so much that I couldn't close

605
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,600
the sandwich.

606
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,600
It was really good.

607
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,280
And then Cliff and Louie had Monte Cristo sandwiches that were fricking massive.

608
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,280
They were huge.

609
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,200
They both couldn't finish their plate.

610
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,600
And then, oh my God, and even the tater tots were like crunchy and yummy.

611
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,320
So if y'all are in the Denver area, check out Bout Time.

612
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,320
Yeah.

613
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,320
I think it's technically in Arvada.

614
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,320
Arvada.

615
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,320
Yes.

616
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,320
But it was really, really, really good.

617
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:48,400
And it was, it kind of had like a sports bar feel, but it felt very family friendly.

618
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,080
It did not feel like a bar bar.

619
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,080
Yeah, for sure.

620
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,080
It was nice.

621
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,560
Yeah, we had a good day and then we, I mean, we were so tired.

622
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,880
We got back to the Airbnb, but then mom, dad and I had to go run some errands.

623
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,160
So we went and bought, we were going to do steaks at the Airbnb that's what I requested

624
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,480
for din.

625
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,280
So we went to the meat market to get steaks.

626
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,680
It was fricking beautiful steaks.

627
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:09,680
They were so big.

628
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,800
I was like, how are we going to eat all this meat, which we didn't end up eating it.

629
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,960
You said that you had to go to a meat market.

630
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,960
Was that specifically intended because you were looking for a certain kind of meat?

631
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,080
Yes, but also we ordered groceries beforehand from a place called King's Super.

632
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,840
I know you know what it is, but for the listeners.

633
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,960
And mom had said that the meat, they didn't have the, yeah, I don't think they had the

634
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:31,960
cut.

635
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,120
I think they only had like ground meat and stuff.

636
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:34,120
Right by.

637
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:35,120
Yeah.

638
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:36,520
So when we wanted like big old boy rib eyes.

639
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,520
That's interesting.

640
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,680
So we got those and then mom and dad wanted to buy to eat.

641
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,160
So we stopped and got wings and flashing back right now in my mind.

642
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,560
I remember like the entire day on my birthday, I had anxiety and it was like underlying.

643
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:54,200
Like it wasn't like I was having a panic attack or anything, but it was like super underlying

644
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,280
every couple of minutes.

645
00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:01,720
I would feel like a physical sensation, whether it was like a heart palpitation or a feeling

646
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,680
in my chest that I didn't like.

647
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,760
And involuntarily I would get a huge wave of adrenaline and then it would make my anxiety

648
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,520
start all over and I couldn't get past it and it was really frustrating.

649
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:12,520
But I was like, I don't know.

650
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,080
Like I always kind of get like birthday nerves.

651
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,840
I don't know why.

652
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,360
So I just kind of tried to ignore it and I was able to kind of move past it and then

653
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,880
we all know this is a non healthy coping mechanism.

654
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,840
But when I started drinking some wine for my birthday, it ended up going away.

655
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,320
But we're leading into the story where that was not the right choice.

656
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,320
Okay.

657
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:40,920
So Zach and Erin came down from Fort Collins and for our listeners out there, Zach and

658
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,080
Kenna have known each other since elementary school.

659
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,080
Like second grade.

660
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,080
Wild.

661
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,640
And so it was lovely spending time with, I have never met Erin.

662
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,640
Oh you haven't?

663
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:50,640
No I haven't.

664
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,640
She's lovely.

665
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:52,640
She's great.

666
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,640
And I love their story.

667
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,800
It's like, it was like, I don't know, I just felt like a distant aunt or something.

668
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,920
It was like, so tell me how did you meet?

669
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:00,920
Yeah.

670
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,120
I just, oh gosh, they've been together for four or five years and it's just wild.

671
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,800
Married for four or five years, which is crazy.

672
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:08,800
Yeah.

673
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:09,800
That's my best, my best guy friend.

674
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,800
I've known him for 25 years.

675
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,320
Which is crazy.

676
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,320
Yeah.

677
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,320
But yeah.

678
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,320
And that.

679
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,920
Click and Zach got along, which was cool.

680
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:20,920
Yeah.

681
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:21,920
Yeah.

682
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,280
They chatted about work and all that stuff.

683
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,720
So I'm starting to do the calculation in my head.

684
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,960
I have not known him for 25 years.

685
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,440
I've known him for like, I don't know, I met one at 20 years.

686
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,960
I met one when we were eight, 21 years.

687
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,120
Well, there you go.

688
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,920
But yeah, that was a really good night and I got my favorite wine in the world and I

689
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,960
drank quite a bit of it and what?

690
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,480
We didn't talk about the bunnies.

691
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,480
Oh yeah.

692
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,560
There's so many bunnies everywhere.

693
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:49,600
They're like, they're like, like here in Texas, squirrels are everywhere during the

694
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,320
day and like neighborhoods and stuff.

695
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,320
Yeah.

696
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,000
Even at night, they're like night squirrels.

697
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,440
Like they're just running around, rolling in dirt.

698
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,440
Like they're so cute.

699
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,440
They're so small.

700
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,440
Yeah.

701
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,680
They had like little, cotton tail bunnies and there was one in our backyard and we, like

702
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,880
they're like, they look like they're all babies.

703
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:05,880
They do.

704
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,880
Yeah.

705
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:07,880
And they're all so cute.

706
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,560
And yeah, we really enjoyed that and Zach was like, oh, they're pests because he lived

707
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,200
there for a few years and I was like, oh, I hate them.

708
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,440
I'm like, you're a Texas boy born and raised.

709
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,120
You should know that we love bunnies.

710
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,120
We don't see them ever.

711
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,120
Yeah.

712
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,320
I just don't even remember like, you know, in the previous times I've been in Denver,

713
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,240
I don't remember there being bunnies.

714
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,000
But maybe you were too close into the city.

715
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,600
Well, I did go in March and it was cold.

716
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,880
I don't know if that makes a difference.

717
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:31,880
I'm not sure.

718
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,880
Tell us.

719
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,880
Listeners.

720
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:34,880
Listeners.

721
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:35,880
Yeah, but we had a good night.

722
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,440
Erin had never seen Happy Gilmore.

723
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,400
And so I made her watch it and I fell asleep about a quarter of the way through.

724
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,400
Classic birthday passing out early.

725
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:50,400
Well, then the next morning I kind of set myself up for failure because we had to get

726
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,400
up early.

727
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,400
We kind of rushed out.

728
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,400
I didn't pack the night before.

729
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,840
It's kind of a rushy morning and we left the Airbnb.

730
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,160
We went to get some lunch.

731
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:03,600
Originally, me, Coel, and Cliff's flight was not set until like 9 p.m. and we were

732
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,100
going to come home late.

733
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:08,560
But mom and dad had gotten a flight at like four.

734
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,920
And we decided that we were going to try to do something between, you know, having to

735
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,080
drop mom and dad at the airport.

736
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,240
And after we ate brunch, I guess, I...

737
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,240
Where do we eat?

738
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,800
Oh, we ate at that little place.

739
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:20,800
Oh my gosh.

740
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,120
And they had the gravy with the...

741
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,120
It was a really...

742
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,000
It was like Mexican fusion food.

743
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,000
Yeah.

744
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,120
Because remember they had like breakfast burritos and stuff?

745
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,120
It was yummy.

746
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,120
This was like downtown Denver now.

747
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,120
Yeah.

748
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,120
We've moved.

749
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,120
We've traveled.

750
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,120
So we drove into town to get lunch.

751
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,120
I had a coconut matcha.

752
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,120
It was so good.

753
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,120
It was pretty good.

754
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,120
I had chilequiles.

755
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,480
It was really hot in there though.

756
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,360
And then mom wanted to do this wildlife kind of like drive.

757
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,560
There's like these giant open trails where you can drive and maybe see some bison or any

758
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:51,560
kind of wildlife.

759
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,600
We saw a lot of prairie dogs on the way.

760
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,600
Oh my gosh.

761
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,280
There's just everywhere, just like the squirrels or just like the bunnies.

762
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,160
But yeah, I just wanted to share with the listeners because we've been talking about

763
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,720
this amazing weekend that we had and all these great things that you see us do on social

764
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,720
media.

765
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:14,280
But reminder that we are all human and we're not perfect all the time or ever.

766
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,400
And that anxiety that had been building up in me for some reason just unleashed on Monday

767
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,760
and it got so bad.

768
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,280
I tell you if I was by myself, I would have gone to the ER because I really felt like

769
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,600
there was something wrong.

770
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:27,600
You were driving too.

771
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,160
I was driving when it first happened and I had to pull over and Cliff had to drive and

772
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,080
I completely lost it.

773
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,560
And a McDonald's parking lot or a Wendy's.

774
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,280
Crying in a handicap spot because I couldn't find another spot.

775
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,280
I'm sorry.

776
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,360
It's not funny but like yeah.

777
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,200
And then yeah, I just couldn't get past it and it got so bad that I ended up having to

778
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,320
change my flight and I came home early because it was that bad.

779
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:56,440
So I just want to share that not for anybody's pity or anybody to feel bad but I want to

780
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:01,640
just make everyone aware that yes, we do these things and we see all these great posts on

781
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,720
social media but people are real people at the end of the day and everybody struggles

782
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,680
with certain things that you just don't see.

783
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,960
Yeah, I think that you know-

784
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,960
Oh my god, it's about to rain.

785
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:11,960
Did you hear that thunder?

786
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,460
Yeah, it's crazy.

787
00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:17,840
It's been raining every evening but I like it because it gets really cool at night.

788
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:24,120
Yeah I think it is important to remind ourselves that like even when we put ourselves in situations

789
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:30,640
like going to Denver and being featured in a festival and then having the pressure of

790
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,360
your birthday and then having to make sure that we're eating.

791
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,800
You know, I mean just eating and taking care of ourselves and unfortunately it doesn't

792
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,760
matter how many little breaks you take.

793
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,080
Sometimes you need a really big break.

794
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:51,560
Otherwise you will break and that's you know, it's just one of those reminders again.

795
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,240
We tend to want to as humans just have it all right.

796
00:34:55,240 --> 00:35:00,000
We want to have everything we want to have you know, for me personally I want to be a

797
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,360
good mom, I want to be a good partner, I want to be a good daughter, I also want to be a

798
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,200
good employee, I also want to be you know good at this podcast, I also want to be a

799
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,600
good student and those things alone even saying those things-

800
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,920
I'm like I got overwhelmed for you just listening to it right?

801
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,760
But that's just part of my life.

802
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:25,440
There are a million other influences that happen every day that I don't have control over.

803
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,960
And we forget, we forget that just because what we're doing, we're doing this right

804
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,840
now in the moment but I'm also thinking about everything else I need to do tonight before

805
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,840
I go to bed.

806
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:35,840
Me too.

807
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,200
And it's, we're not alone in those thoughts.

808
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,400
Everybody has those thoughts but it's the time that we don't, the time that we're not

809
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,200
taking to ourselves, it can greatly affect our thinking that we're participating in

810
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,200
our day.

811
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,520
Absolutely and you know this was kind of reminiscent of something that happened a few weeks ago.

812
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,520
I had, Koella and I had a big weekend and it was kind of the same thing.

813
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,120
The next morning we woke up, rush, rush, rush, get ready, get on the road and about halfway

814
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,440
through the drive it was a three hour drive but about halfway through I had to pull over

815
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,840
and let you drive because my brain just went into overdrive and was like whoa, like you

816
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,840
need to like slow down you know and the fact that my brain couldn't relax because I was

817
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:15,840
driving.

818
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,840
Yeah.

819
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:17,840
I think next time I just won't drive.

820
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,240
The next morning I think I could really help.

821
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:24,360
But I was making a joke earlier about you know using alcohol to numb the anxiety and

822
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,840
like I have a habit of doing that and so since then I know it's only been a week but I've

823
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:35,160
been really cognizant of how I'm managing my anxiety and how I'm approaching it and

824
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,040
I've actually been really good the last week.

825
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,400
I haven't really felt anything like that anywhere near that you know because I've been really

826
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,560
cognizant of what I'm doing and how much I'm drinking and you know just other things

827
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,480
that can affect anxiety.

828
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,480
Yeah.

829
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:56,040
I you know going back to Vaner Pump rules, La La Kent has said you know she's been I

830
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:05,080
don't know how many years sober now, six and she's said you know her life is being

831
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:11,360
filmed every damn day you know well on the on season and there's so many instances where

832
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:19,520
you see her in these really like anxiety you know these really anxious moments that she's

833
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:24,680
having and she says my anxiety attacks are a hundred percent alcohol driven and she

834
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,840
recognized that and so she stopped she stopped drinking completely but yeah it can be that

835
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,360
it's it's brought on by the alcohol.

836
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,720
You might choose to numb it with the alcohol but eventually it comes back around being

837
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:37,720
the alcohol.

838
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:39,120
Well you're gonna have to stop drinking at some point yeah and that's what it that's

839
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,880
what it fucks you up and that's honestly Monday like it got like my anxiety got so bad the

840
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,360
thought didn't even cross my mind.

841
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,480
If I this will go away if I have a drink it was like no like I'm just gonna postpone

842
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:50,480
this feeling.

843
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,760
I need to get through it and not try to get away from it just to let it happen again later.

844
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,960
Yeah but yeah it happens to everybody y'all and just know that you're not alone and your

845
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:04,920
feelings and you can always you know Google I know there's plenty of resources I mean

846
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,600
I literally did like I was searching online like how the hell to get out of this because

847
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,880
and unfortunately the way out is through it you know sometimes so everyone's gonna handle

848
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,760
things differently but you're not alone.

849
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,720
My solution is always to cry.

850
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:26,480
I have to make myself cry because for whatever reason it regulates my breathing so it's like

851
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:31,760
I'm inhaling more you know oxygen and stuff like that and that ends up calming me down

852
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,760
you know so everyone does things different right.

853
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,160
I just cry involuntarily.

854
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,240
I cry out of frustration.

855
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:44,800
But yeah the overall the weekend was absolutely incredible we met a lot of great people and

856
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,480
we cannot wait for next year we have plenty of time to plan for it but we were very excited.

857
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:55,280
We have inquired about crime con again fingers crossed that we get accepted to go to crime

858
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,880
con that would be really cool.

859
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:03,800
So Kenna said that she got her flight early so it allowed a little bit of free time if

860
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:13,320
you will for me and Cliff to go to the Columbine Memorial and it was really powerful it was

861
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:25,400
really heavy the design is insane because there is this wall that has quotes from people

862
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:36,400
shortly after the tragedy of you know students, faculty, parents of students that said these

863
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:42,600
really powerful things like I didn't know kids could kill kids.

864
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:52,600
And you know talking about how you know when parents said that their child had a 4.0 GPA

865
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,240
before and after the tragedy but the difference was is that after the tragedy this child was

866
00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:04,880
paralyzed had to learn how to write and speak again and still graduated with a 4.0.

867
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:13,360
It's just really powerful words but what's interesting is on one side of it on the opposite

868
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:20,400
side of this because it's round there is this and if you go to our Instagram you'll see

869
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:26,360
the picture the waterfall things like the fountains it's built in such a way that when

870
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:33,120
you're reading those things on the opposite side it creates a sound bath so you hear the

871
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:40,240
water from the other side of the memorial as you're reading these things and I don't

872
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:46,800
know I'm sure people out there do know this but for those of you who don't when you have

873
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,600
dreams of water or you know there's something very cleansing about water it's like when

874
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:57,800
the rain washes something away and so to have that kind of subconscious thought that you're

875
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:03,000
being cleansed at the same time you're reading these things yes it's very heavy stuff but

876
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:09,200
you're almost it's it's almost washing these things away but not forgetting but it's just

877
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:15,560
not as you don't take it with you yeah I think is the best way to say it so they also had

878
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:21,640
the plaques for the victims and family statements that came along with those as well yeah I

879
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:26,240
really really wanted to go with you guys I was pretty bummed but I'm glad that you guys

880
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:31,480
were able to go and experience that I mean it's gotta been that's got to have been really

881
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,920
moving and it's not that you were able to share those photos with everyone yeah it's

882
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,600
set on a hill so where when you look to the right of you you're technically on top of

883
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:48,480
the memorial and to the left of you is the back of the school so you see both in real

884
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:55,840
time and it's it's really interesting yeah that's definitely really strong image so on

885
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:04,000
top of that we also went to go find the Aurora Memorial and that is actually in the town

886
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:09,280
of Aurora's police department parking lot I want to call it like a parking lot but there's

887
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:16,640
a walking trail back there and so there's all these like donations or memorials to other

888
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:22,480
people prominent figures in Aurora in the town of Aurora and it's kind of like a mini

889
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:28,520
botanical garden as well and those images are also on the D.I.K. I sent you those too

890
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:29,520
right?

891
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:35,000
I sent yeah whatever 7 you sent me as I posted the birds yeah so there's a rock there next

892
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:41,400
to a bench that has you know that's dedicated to the victims and survivors and the victims

893
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,400
families.

894
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,200
Well you just briefly touch on what happened in Aurora because in case some people don't

895
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,200
know.

896
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:59,120
You're right so James Holmes was a or is rather someone who deeply in my opinion struggles

897
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:08,320
with mental health issues he perpetrated a mass murder a shooting in the Aurora AMC

898
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:17,720
theaters in 2012 and many people were shot and killed it was at a midnight showing I

899
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:22,880
don't think it was at midnight but it was the release of the Dark Knight movie.

900
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,880
Like the first one of the first showings.

901
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:30,320
Yeah and there's all these like interesting perspectives of he thought he was the Joker

902
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:37,920
you know he's some anti vigilante type thing and but yeah very interesting case that happened

903
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,280
on July 20th of 2012.

904
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,840
We're gonna cover that which would have been two days ago anniversary since this comes

905
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:46,840
out yeah.

906
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,720
Yeah well I'm really glad like I said that you were able to go visit those places not

907
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:56,760
that we're like saying like ooh we're gonna go like it's a weird you know but it's like

908
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:01,160
it's important to visit places like that and understand what what happened the history

909
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,040
of what happened there you know similarly to going to visit where the World Trade Center

910
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,040
was you know.

911
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,320
Yeah it's it was so.

912
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,640
Or the tower excuse me.

913
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:16,760
I mean breathtaking is the only way I can say it it was the Columbine Memorial is nestled

914
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:22,320
in this beautiful park where there's like kids and families playing I'm gonna get the

915
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:28,480
Clint just talking about it you know and maybe they know what happened there maybe they don't

916
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:36,680
maybe do these people come to enjoy the park and reflect on what happened no they're there

917
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:45,520
just to enjoy the day and it was a beautiful day we were there and it's just I mean it

918
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:51,160
was almost it felt like like a battleground because like the best way to describe it it

919
00:44:51,160 --> 00:45:01,080
felt like like people died here but like time has just healed yeah so much well it reminds

920
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,800
me like a little bit of like the Alamo you know the Alamo is a site of a huge battle

921
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:10,760
you know the biggest in our history yeah and it's gorgeous like out there that lawn and

922
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:16,840
everything like everyone around it like it's beautiful and it's just I think that for Cliff

923
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:25,760
and I just you know remembering that time and like how school changed yeah it's just

924
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,400
it's just wild like and I told him I was like I don't know if I want to go you know and

925
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,360
we're it's gonna be a drive and he goes you're regret not going yeah I think so you know

926
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,360
when the next time you're gonna be in Denver is you know so yeah I don't take it back and

927
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:45,600
I'm glad that we went yeah me too sorry I think that's about gonna do it for this episode

928
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:50,680
yeah is there anything else that you want to talk about I would like to say who I'm

929
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,840
covering for my patreon yes I would love to hear that thank you guys just before you say

930
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,640
that for listening to this recap episode because the true crime period of a podcast festival

931
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:06,360
has significantly impacted us yeah not only with listeners and you know our content in

932
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,480
our podcast but just with our friends in the community that we've we've built ourselves

933
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:15,760
into because of it so just a huge shout out to Lainey and Lisa for including us for a

934
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,080
second year and we cannot wait to see next year hopefully it's gonna be three times as

935
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:26,040
big as it was last year so yeah I agree I think that it it reminds us you know as many

936
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:33,360
deep breaths as we didn't take that weekend it does kind of hit that refresh button where

937
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:38,560
we're like damn like we do love what we do and we love these people for doing what they

938
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:44,680
do and it just it it kicks you in the ass all over again it reignites that flame just

939
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:51,640
a little bit passion it's cool yes it does stay tuned oh god yeah okay I want to hear

940
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:57,640
what you're doing so for my patreon episode I'm going to be covering James Holmes oh

941
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,160
are you oh that's funny not funny haha but we were literally just talking about it okay

942
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:07,520
cool so that'll be a really good well you just kind of heard a little snapshot of that

943
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,160
so if you want to get the full detailed story again our patreon members tiers 3 and 4 will

944
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:17,640
have access to that in you know at the end of this month and it'll be no content warning

945
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:22,200
you know we we usually don't really edit very much on those either kind of like this episode

946
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:28,280
but obviously obviously a case yes so if you want to join those patreon members go to patreon.com

947
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,040
slash diagnosing a killer just takes a few minutes to sign up again that's going to be

948
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:37,480
tiers 3 and 4 that will have access to that I was content sorry I was also working

949
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,040
at a theater when this happened so there is a little bit of my own personal story in there

950
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:47,200
as well and fuck the dark night it was the worst the worst I hate that movie I'll never

951
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:53,800
watch it oh gosh again I like that movie no it's fine it's just Trish can tell you it

952
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:59,720
was awful well I think that just about does it for this podcast episode what do you think

953
00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:04,120
yeah I'm hungry okay well we will see you guys on Thursday with another case and we'll

954
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:11,120
talk to you later love you bye