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Hello! Hello! Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer. I'm Kenna. I'm Koel.

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How's it going?

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Pretty good.

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Pretty good.

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Do you think that when people skip episodes, it's just, hello, hello, hello, hello, over

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and over and over again?

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Oh, like when they click through them?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, probably.

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I like that.

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I like that too. Hello to everyone.

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I think that we're pretty much just going to get right into this episode. I've been researching

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it for the better part of like two weeks. I'm ready to get it out there. It's a really

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well-known case and I'm excited about it. But before we begin, would you like to give

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everyone our handles?

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Yes, there's a mosquito behind you.

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Oh, get up!

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Did I get it?

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Did you get it?

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No.

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I didn't get it.

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You were really close though. I think you might have winged it.

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I said I couldn't have been two for two because today my co-worker said, oh my god, there's

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a mosquito in here and I look and it's literally right in front of my face and I killed it.

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I was like, oh my god.

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That was a really good attempt though.

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Thanks.

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to hear your next one.

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Me too.

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I have a good one, but I think I'm going to keep this one a secret because I also think

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that if I say who it is, no one will really know because it's like super recent and not

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very well known.

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All right.

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Yeah. So that being said, are you ready to jump into this case?

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Don't forget to see us at the True Crime Paranormal Podcast Festival July 12th. That is very,

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very rapidly approaching.

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Yes.

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Do not have your tickets. I suggest you go ahead and you do that. And then see us there

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at Denver.

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Oh my gosh. I'm so excited because not only are we going to be in Denver having the grandest

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time, we're both fairly familiar with Denver, which is schools like home away from home,

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but we're going to find out where we're going next year in like three weeks when we are

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there. We're going to announce it. Just putting it out there. I think it's going to be in

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Nashville. Where do you think it's going to be?

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Vegas. It's got to be in Vegas.

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Oh God. I would love to go back to Vegas.

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Could you imagine? We already like stay up way too late and hang out with all the other

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casters and you know, participants, the VIPs. Oh my gosh. We stay up so late. We hang out

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like all night long and then I can't even imagine in Vegas.

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We wouldn't sleep.

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There would be no sleeping.

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And the casino has no windows. So it's just being there all night.

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Never know what time it was.

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Okay. I think we're going to get into this episode. Are you ready?

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I'm ready.

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So today we are going to be talking about one Israel keys.

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Israel keys?

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Yeah.

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Oh my God. I am so excited.

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I knew you were going to know the name, but like he's literally been at the top of my

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list for months. And I'm just like, I don't know because I never knew the story. And then

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I started reading it and I was like, oh, shit. I'm like, this guy's an anomaly.

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He's a baddie. Yeah.

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He's wild.

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Content warning. This episode contains depictions of child neglect and abuse, graphic animal

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abuse, brutal treatment of a deceased person, crimes against minors and ultimately suicide.

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Okay, let's get into this. Israel Keys was born on January 7th, 1978 in Richmond, Utah

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to parents John Jeffrey or Jeff Keys and Heidi Hackinson Keys. I think that's her maiden

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name. So he doesn't have a middle name. I was like, oh, I forgot his middle name. That's

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sad. Doesn't have one.

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Our grandpa didn't have a middle name. He had to have, he had to make up his own when

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he went into the war.

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Oh, I didn't know that. Israel would be the second of nine or 10 children that the couple

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would have. I said, I saw conflicting sources. Among the names of his sisters, Autumn Rose,

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Hosanna, Sunshine, Charity and America. Okay, I'm not going to make an inappropriate strip

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club joke right now.

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Just some strong names there.

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Next on the main stage, we got Charity. Give her your tips, ladies and gentlemen.

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Oh my God. They would sound just like that too. It's a carnival barker.

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Next on the main stage.

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The Keys parents were known as having very strong beliefs and that led them to have all

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of their children at home as they did not believe in medical assistance. Jeff and Heidi

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were also members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and they

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took their beliefs very seriously. This included homeschooling all of the children for many

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years and not once taking any of them to see a doctor during their childhood. This also

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led to no birth certificates.

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Really?

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Yes.

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In what year?

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Well, at least not for some of them. I'm not sure if all of them, 78 is when he was born.

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So, yeah, they had birth certificates. They just didn't, they were just at home births

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and stuff. So, essentially, they didn't, there's no hospital records or essentially,

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like, birth certificates. We had as a nation birth certificates.

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Yes.

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And the family didn't.

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Correct.

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The children would be homeschooled until in 1983 and when Israel was just five years old,

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Jeff and Heidi would take it upon themselves to leave the church and move the family to

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a remote plot of land north of Colville, Washington.

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That's interesting.

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So they become inactive or became inactive.

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Yeah. So I guess they left their church and then, I guess, isolated?

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No. They were leaving, like, that church, but they would join another one.

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Here, the family was living in a tent while Jeff began building a cabin that they would

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eventually inhabit.

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Damn. That sounds like a sweet video game.

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The first seven years here, the family lived in the tent while Jeff built the cabin by

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himself. So it was going to take a long time.

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And had one bedroom for all those people.

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But Jeff was known to be busy the majority of the time and when he was not working on

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the cabin, he was praying for hours out in the woods behind the house.

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Well, behind the tent, I guess.

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Is there any, like...

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It's a little cuckoo.

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Yeah, just, yeah.

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Is there any history of mental illness on the parents?

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Not that I saw.

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I don't think...

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Here's the thing.

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I'm not saying that it's, like, bad to be really involved in your faith, right?

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But this particular story, it's like, dad is almost, like, using it to, like, not be

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around the family.

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Like, he's either in the woods praying all day or he's working on the cabin, but he's

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not, like, spending time, like, in the tent with the family.

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Do you think that's another reason why they had so many children was for religious purposes

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and not necessarily because they wanted to have a lot of children?

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Yeah, I do.

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Due to Jeff's absence from the family, Israel, as the eldest son, began to take it upon himself

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to hunt and kill game in order to feed his family.

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Fair.

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Along with hunting, he taught himself how to dress and butcher the animal in order to

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make the most out of it.

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Around this time, when Israel was just 10 years old, he would begin showing concerning

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signs, such as breaking and entering, stealing, and setting fires.

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Meanwhile, after the cabin was built enough to be inhabited, the family would move in.

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However, it did not have running water or electricity, and there was only one room,

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so everyone was pretty much on top of each other.

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Oh my gosh.

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While the parents had the family leave the LDS Church years prior, they did not leave

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their face, like I said, and the family would begin attending services at another church

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called the Ark.

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The Ark was known around town as a place that preached to white supremacy ideology.

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Yeah, that's just great.

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At the age of 12, Israel was noted as being very interested in the Ark and was also known

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to be obsessed with guns, these being the main target of what he was trying to steal,

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like anywhere he broke in he's looking for guns.

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Shortly after attending services at the church, the family would meet and become friends with

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a man by the name of Chivy Keho, who happened to be the neighbor of the Kieses as well.

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The family would later attend a different church in Colville that was called the Christian

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Israel Covenant Church.

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This church was known to preach that conceiving a child of mixed race was abominable and deviant,

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and that Anglo-Saxons were meant to rule over all other races.

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I am not going to make it through this episode.

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It's like, let's get away from those white supremacists who will go to this church.

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They're much better.

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Screw those assholes.

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Let's go over here and hang out with these dickheads.

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With the cabin being very small in size, a number of children were forced to sleep in

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the tent outside to open up some room.

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And this is the time that Israel would begin bragging to other children at the church about

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how he once skinned a deer alive.

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Probably not, like 10.

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So my point in saying that the kids had to sleep outside is that he was spending a lot

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more time in the woods hunting game.

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But it turns out to not necessarily be for food anymore.

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It's almost like for fun.

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It makes sense that the kids would spend a lot of time outside because he wants to be

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in a smelly cabin with one room.

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With no water.

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With no water.

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Or electricity.

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Probably hot as fuck in there.

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They're probably pooping in there.

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Dry and hot.

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It smells like poop in the corner.

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Israel would also comment about how he would, quote, hunt anything with a heartbeat, end quote.

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And due to his odd choice of conversation, other children at the church began to steer

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clear of Israel.

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They're like, that guy's kind of an oddball.

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One of the peers would even later say that Israel's presence, quote, made my skin crawl,

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end quote.

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At 10.

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Well, around this time.

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Yeah, at a lessened age.

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Israel would continue to break into houses around this time and would openly shoot BB

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guns at his neighbor's house, often setting fires as well around the area.

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You know, they don't even try that.

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Yeah.

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They don't even try to shoot people.

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Does he pee in the bed?

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I don't know.

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Well, he probably doesn't have a toilet.

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Does he pee in the tent?

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He's in the tent.

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Yeah.

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Israel was also known to occasionally break into the house of an acquaintance of his.

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The peer who lived in the home was known to have avoided Israel due to the fact that

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he witnessed him shoot an animal for fun once.

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On one specific occasion, Israel would steal multiple guns from a neighbor of his.

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And when his parents found out, they made him apologize.

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They either apologized for stealing weapons.

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By the time he was 14 years old, Israel stood at a tall six foot two inches and he was also

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selling stolen guns to local adults around this time.

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Does he have like a glannular issue?

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What's happening?

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I don't know.

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I think he's just a tall guy.

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Well, because that was, what was his name?

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Carl Pans or M.T.

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Oh yeah.

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He had like a thyroid something going on.

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Thyroid issue.

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At 14.

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Or pituitary, not thyroid.

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Pituitary.

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Yeah, we're all told over here.

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It's like pituitary and dumb.

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Yeah, it's like one of those things, you know.

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You know, the ankles.

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The ankles, just, you know, sprout.

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It was also around this time, again, 14 years old, that Israel admitted to feeling something

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much different about him.

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He would state about this quote, I've known since I was 14 that there were things that

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I thought were normal and okay, that no one else seemed to think were normal and okay.

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So that's when I just started being a loner.

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People found out about some of the stunts I did.

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Like my parents and parents of other kids who would hang out with me.

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They would find out about some of the stuff I did.

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And that's when I just started doing stuff by myself exclusively, end quote.

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Not a good sign.

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Don't isolate.

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I just started isolating myself really hard.

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Yeah, the big deal.

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Yeah, it seems like so far, because I keep thinking my mind goes back to that apology.

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He's not really being held accountable for anything he's doing.

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And the fact that he's like, well, people find it odd, but nobody's specifically telling

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me not to.

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Correct.

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Yeah, I think like his parents are like almost like out of sight, out of mind, like I don't

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give a fuck what you do, but these people are pissed off, like just to apologize.

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You know, it's like they're not like telling him to apologize to hold him accountable.

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They're telling him because they want to make the neighbors happy.

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Yeah, they're telling him because they don't want to be held accountable.

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Right.

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Around this time in the early 90s, Jeff and Heidi would utilize their space to provide

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housing to friends they made at the church.

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Even though there's no room at the house for their kids to sleep in, they're having other

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people live in the house.

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These friends would also have a son and daughter that came to the home.

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And in front of these two children, as well as his sister, Israel was known as tying the

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family cat to a tree and shooting it.

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Oh my God.

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Following this, the cat was able to get itself loose and attempted to run away, but it was

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obviously wounded and it started vomiting because it was like in shock.

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Oh my God.

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It was really, it's like such a graphic.

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That is awful.

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Picture to think about.

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See, and this is why we don't do the content warning at the beginning because like she

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really wanted to be like, she looked at me with these doe eyes like, I'm so sorry, you're

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about to hear this.

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Israel was known as laughing at the cat and the boy who was visiting would vomit in response

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to what he was seeing.

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Oh my God.

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That is awful.

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I know.

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That's to this man.

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After this, the boy would run away and later told his father what had happened and nothing

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came of it.

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Of course.

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They just stopped coming around.

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They're like, oh, we just won't hang out with that family.

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Don't hang out with that Israel kid.

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Israel's mother would begin to notice quote, some troubling signs and quote around this

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time in Israel's life and stated that she found it odd that Israel would be listening

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to different quote radio stations and different things and quote.

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What are they only allowed to?

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He's just listening to some weird music.

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That must be the problem.

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Yeah.

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It's like, it's just mainstream pop.

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Yeah.

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Although he was interested in some strange activities by his teenage years, Israel had

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actually become a very skilled carpenter.

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He would build his first wooden cabin for his family at the age of 16.

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Wow.

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In 1995, Israel would begin working for a contractor, a job that he would keep for two

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years.

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Israel would also keep a journal around this time that was littered with Bible verses,

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but also included daily sins in which he was thinking about his girlfriend.

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I guess he had a casual girlfriend.

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It wasn't really much mentioned.

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Very casual apparently.

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He's like, and I'm thinking about my girlfriend.

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I'm a senator.

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I'm thinking about her bra.

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Her angle.

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It is thought that Israel had abducted and sexually assaulted a young girl around this

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time as well.

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Okay.

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I take back what I said because that's wild that he would feel like he needs to journal

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those thoughts.

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Yeah.

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Well, that wasn't in the journal, but it's around the same time that he was journaling.

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No, no.

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That's what I mean though, but still, is it some kind of a subconscious cover up?

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Yeah.

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He's really perpetrating these really big evils, but he feels like as long as he writes

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down some of the not so bad ones, then maybe it makes him feel a little better.

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That's actually a good point.

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I didn't think about that.

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As far as this abduction and alleged sexual assault of this young girl, that's all I heard

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about it.

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It is thought.

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There was no other information.

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Oh, I see.

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Maybe it was not a rumor, but I think it got around town and there was no...

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He may have mentioned it in passing later on.

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I see.

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Okay.

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So the family would relocate once again to Smyrna, Maine, where they changed tunes to

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collect sap from Maple syrup production in an Amish community.

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I would love to do that.

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Collecting sap would be pretty cool.

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I think it'd be fun to go out with your own little, what do you call it, like a spigot?

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Spigot, yeah, I think.

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And then go out there and...

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Because here we have strawberry picking sometimes.

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Yeah, that's our thing.

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And yeah.

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Well, not our thing, but Texas thing.

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Or mushroom picking that we've heard so many things about in other episodes.

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But I would love to go Maple syrup collecting.

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Sap suckin'.

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Sap suckin'.

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Ew.

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I just want to go sap suckin'.

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So yes, they're now collecting sap in Maine.

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While Jeff and Heidi were extremely devoted to their faith, the children did not share

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the same ideations, and soon enough they would sneak around and lie just to get together

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with their friends or to watch a movie or hang out.

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Jeff and Heidi would not allow the children to learn any new skills, specifically playing

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an instrument as they were a quote against a God, end quote.

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They just wanted them under their wing, under, like right under their thumb all the time.

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I wonder what that's about though, because I have heard that it is, like music in general,

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if it's not like secular music, is part of the devil.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I don't know anything about that.

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Around this time, Israel would fully decide that he did not want to follow the same religion

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as his parents.

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Israel was known to make tireless efforts to please his parents when it came to their religious

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views, but one day after an intense argument, he would announce to them that he was an atheist.

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Oh, like the big no.

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In response, Jeff and Heidi would immediately kick Israel out of the home and tell his younger

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siblings who still all looked up to him that they were not allowed to maintain contact

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with him.

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That's sad.

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That's really sad.

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Totally exiled.

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During this, Israel would begin diving fully into Satanism and quickly began making plans

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to commit a ritualistic murder.

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He's like, well, I'm gonna go all the way.

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I'm wearing my Satan shirt today.

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Fitting.

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Fitting for this episode.

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Sometime in the summer of 1997 or 1998, Israel would find himself in Malpin, Oregon, along

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the Deschutes River.

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Israel would come across a group of friends that were tubing down the river and specifically

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took notice of a young girl that he estimated to be about 14 to 18 years old.

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Israel would stalk the girl behind a tree line and was somehow able to get her away

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from her friends discreetly before sexually assaulting her at a knife point.

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Israel stated that this assault was particularly violent and he had planned to murder her in

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a satanic ritual following the assault.

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Israel stated, however, that he ultimately let the girl back to her friends, stating,

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quote, I was too timid, I wasn't violent enough, I made up my mind I was never going

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to let that happen again.

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He was like, I wish I had more brutally assaulted her.

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I wish I would have killed her.

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Killed her.

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He's like, I was dumb, I let her go.

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On July 9th, 1998, Israel would change his tune a bit and enlist himself in the United

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States Army in the state of New York.

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Typical.

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He would subsequently serve as a specialist in Alpha Company, First Battalion, Fifth

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Infantry Regiment.

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It was noted as being odd that he was able to join the military considering Israel, like

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his siblings, had no birth certificate or a social security number.

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So they were kind of saying, like, how did he get around that?

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Did he make a false one or did he, did they just not care or something?

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Like something had to have happened.

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I wonder if they thought he was not who he was.

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He was not willing to provide a birth certificate, so he must be a fraud or he's using an alias.

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Either way, they allowed him to join the military and following his intake, Israel would pass

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a months long preliminary course that was for US Army Rangers in training.

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He would be stationed at Fort Lewis and Fort Hood during his time in the army and also spent

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some time abroad as well.

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Israel would find himself stationed in Sinai, Egypt at one point and he would become friends

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with several of his fellow soldiers.

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Israel would later admit that while he was friends with them, he did tell one of the

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men that he would quote, like to kill him.

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Just by the way, brother, brother in arms, I'd like to kill you.

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With this gun.

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With this gun.

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This gun, he's pointing to it.

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Former comrades of Israel would later state that while he was in Fort Lewis, he was noted

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as having a quiet demeanor and pretty much kept to himself.

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However, on weekends, he was known as the party guy who would drink entire bottles of wild

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turkey bourbon.

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Oh my god.

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A liver poisoning.

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A monster.

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Furthermore, Israel's former soldier friends would take notice of his seemingly big interest

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in the band in St. Clown Posse and noted that he had several posters around where he

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slept in the barracks.

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Oh my god, he's a chocolo.

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So random.

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He's a chocolo.

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He was that little hatchet man.

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A few years into his service.

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Sorry.

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Fucking magnets, how do they work?

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No?

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Not at all.

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Oh my gosh.

447
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You have to watch that.

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What is it?

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It's in St. Clown Posse, but it's this music.

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It's a song called Miracles and he's like earth, sun, sky, grass, like all this shit

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is like fucking miraculous.

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You know, like he says, fucking magnets, how do they work?

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Oh my god.

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It's like, bro, with like polar magnetation, like it's so stupid.

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Look at him.

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Just google it.

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Like it's almost like the insinuation that magnets only exist because God made them.

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I still don't understand.

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It's too much for my little brain.

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It's awful.

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A few years into his service in February of 2001, Israel would be arrested for a DUI

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in Thurston County after being pulled over.

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He would take a plea agreement following discharge and he would ultimately be let go with just

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a $350 fine.

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About $620 today.

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Despite this, Israel would receive an army achievement medal for his service as a gunner

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and assistant gunner in 2001.

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Israel would be honorably discharged the same year and he would relocate to Neah Bay, Washington

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following his leaving the military.

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Here he would find the Makkah Reservation Community of Neah Bay and he would also meet

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and begin dating a girl whom he met here.

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The two would quickly have a daughter together and this girl will be born in July of 2001.

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Her name is not out there.

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Not even the partner?

475
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No.

476
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Oh wow.

477
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Okay.

478
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And either way, I didn't want to put them out here.

479
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Yeah.

480
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I don't know how old she was.

481
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Oh, I think she was around his age.

482
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She wasn't much younger than him.

483
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Okay.

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Israel and the mother of his child would continue to live on the reservation for the next six

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years but he would ultimately leave her when he began dating somebody new.

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Mm-hmm.

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Again, not much known about this woman either but she was a nurse practitioner and Israel

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would bring his daughter along with both of them when he left.

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So he took the daughter and moved in with this other lady.

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Ain't nobody taking my child.

491
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Yeah.

492
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Nope.

493
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:38,080
In 2007, Israel would start a construction business in Alaska aptly named Keyes Construction

494
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:43,360
and he would work here as a handyman, contractor, and construction worker.

495
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:47,640
Israel would later speak with authorities about when his true killings began and he

496
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,320
was questioned on whether or not they started after his move to Alaska.

497
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:57,960
Israel would respond to this by saying, quote, yeah, Nea Bay is a boring town, end quote.

498
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,320
He's like, I had to get out of there because I wanted to kill someone and I couldn't do

499
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,320
it there.

500
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,320
Oh my god.

501
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,680
So he moved to Alaska.

502
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,680
Yeah.

503
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,880
Is he going to victimize like a bunch of native women?

504
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,200
Just keep listening.

505
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,920
Though it had been years since the incident at the river in which Israel lured and raped

506
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,880
a young girl, the crime seemed to establish somewhat of a rule for Israel in which he

507
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:26,000
decided that when he began killing, he was only to do it away from his home.

508
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,000
And he was going to make sure he killed him every time.

509
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,000
Yeah.

510
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,200
Israel would describe this rule stating that he regularly traveled very far from his home

511
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:39,120
and quote, like to find his victims along hiking trails at campgrounds and in other

512
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:40,720
remote areas, end quote.

513
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,600
I remind some of the woods when he was growing up.

514
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,040
Furthermore, Israel would choose his victims at random in order to avoid linking them to

515
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,880
each other or to him.

516
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:50,880
That's so scary.

517
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:51,880
That's creepy as fuck.

518
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,960
I don't like that at all.

519
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,480
In addition to Israel planning ahead about who to abduct or rather not planning, he

520
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,640
also described the way he was able to come up with the plan to becoming quote, the most

521
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,440
meticulous serial killer end quote.

522
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,600
Israel would explain that he would bury things he referred to as murder kits in the area

523
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,840
where he planned to later attack somebody.

524
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,280
Oh my god, this is too much.

525
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:21,440
These kits would contain things like weapons and supplies in order to dispose of the body.

526
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,120
And he would bury them like years prior.

527
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:26,280
Like years.

528
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,080
He would remember where he buried them and then be like, oh guess it's time to attack.

529
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,840
I haven't been there in years.

530
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,840
That is so extra.

531
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,120
Israel would also later admit to attempting to rape two women on two separate occasions

532
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:42,320
while in the military.

533
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,080
In the first attempt, Israel stated that he was on leave in Egypt when he came across

534
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,000
a sex worker and tried to assault her.

535
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:55,680
The second attack Israel stated was attempted on a college student that he had met in Israel.

536
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,680
Israel was at Israel.

537
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:04,320
I was like waiting for that line this whole time.

538
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,800
On top of these first two attempted attacks, Israel admitted to committing numerous bank

539
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,320
robberies around this time, both in New York and in Texas.

540
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,480
So again, no one knows this is happening while it's happening, but timeline wise we're finding

541
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,600
all this out later.

542
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,440
On June 8th, 2011, Israel would commit his first known murders in which he broke into

543
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:32,240
the home of 49 year old William or Bill Scott Courier and 55 year old Lorraine Simon Courier

544
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,240
of Essex, Vermont.

545
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,280
We know that Israel stated that he purposely chose his victims at random in order to avoid

546
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:45,520
being caught, so there's no well known motive for why he came across this particular home.

547
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,080
Israel would break into the home and tie up a Bill and Lorraine before driving them to

548
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,520
an abandoned farmhouse.

549
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,960
Israel would then fatally shoot Bill before sexually assaulting and strangling Lorraine

550
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,800
shortly after.

551
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,640
Israel would later confess to hiding one of his murder kids near the home of the couple

552
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,560
two years prior to this night.

553
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,200
Again he probably just hid it near a neighborhood, but it was two years prior and he was like

554
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,000
oh I remember where I hid that, let's go kill random people.

555
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,320
Let's go pick this random house.

556
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,320
That's wild.

557
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,320
I know.

558
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,440
Like who's to even say they didn't even just move into the house within those two years.

559
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,120
Following the murder Israel would hide his kit yet again in a new place in Parishville,

560
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:29,600
New York where they remained for over a year.

561
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,960
So he'd bury it and then he waited two years to use this specific kit and then took it

562
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,920
with him to bury it somewhere else after he murdered them?

563
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:38,920
After he used it to murder them.

564
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:39,920
Yeah.

565
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:45,920
Oh my god.

566
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On February 1st, 2012 Israel would strike once again when he came across 18 year old

576
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:33,840
Samantha Tesla Koenig, a coffee booth employee in Anchorage, Alaska.

577
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,280
Israel would approach the window of the drive-thru coffee shop and point a gun in the face of

578
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,640
Samantha just before 8pm.

579
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,520
According to Israel, he explained to Samantha that he was going to rob her and order her

580
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,600
to turn off the lights in the shop.

581
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,720
Samantha would comply and Israel would respond by tying up her hands and jumping into the

582
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,400
shop through the window.

583
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,360
Israel then forced Samantha out of the coffee shop and into his truck where he then drove

584
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,680
her to his house.

585
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,360
He would further explain to Samantha that not only was he planning on robbing her but

586
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,200
also wanted to hold her for ransom in order to gain money from her parents.

587
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,040
Samantha and Israel arrived at his home and Israel would quickly take her debit card and

588
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,000
cell phone.

589
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,200
He would keep his victim alive for a little bit this time and Israel would hold Samantha

590
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,680
captive in his truck until around 2am when he finally took her to a shed in the back

591
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:31,320
of his home.

592
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,200
After entering the shed, Israel would tie a rope around Samantha's neck and he would

593
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,320
then exit the shed to go inside.

594
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,680
What was he doing inside?

595
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,280
He was just checking to make sure his girlfriend and daughter were still asleep and that he

596
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,680
hadn't disrupted them.

597
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,000
They were just asleep inside.

598
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,000
What?

599
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,080
I thought he wasn't going to kill at his house anymore.

600
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,080
Oh yeah.

601
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,080
Well yeah.

602
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,080
We'll see.

603
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,240
But maybe that's why he's getting ballsy.

604
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,080
He's like, I'm just going to do it anyway and see if anybody notices.

605
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,080
See what I can get away with.

606
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,080
Yeah, exactly.

607
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,120
Well he got away with killing a couple so now he's like, I'm invincible.

608
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,160
After determining that the household was quiet, Israel would pour himself a glass of wine

609
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,120
and return to the shed.

610
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,240
Upon entering, Israel would explain to Samantha that he was going to rape her before strangling

611
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,320
her to death with the rope that was tied around her neck.

612
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,080
Unfortunately Israel was serious about his comments and he would ultimately strangle

613
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,880
Samantha to death.

614
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,600
Following Samantha being deceased, Israel would catch a cab to the airport and proceed

615
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,400
to go on a two week cruise departing from New Orleans in the Gulf of Mexico with his

616
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,400
parents.

617
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,400
What?

618
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,640
To anyone who's not familiar, the Gulf of Mexico is on the literal opposite side of

619
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,280
the country from Alaska.

620
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,280
Yeah.

621
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,440
That's a far track.

622
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,440
Diagnally.

623
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,440
So he's gone for two whole weeks and her body's in the shed.

624
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,240
I'm pretty sure his girlfriend and daughter went with him as well.

625
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,240
Oh okay.

626
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,240
So like the house was vacant.

627
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,240
I was going to say stay behind.

628
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,240
Yeah.

629
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,160
But still like, I guess he reconnected with his parents at some point?

630
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,960
Well I said parents at first, I read somewhere that it was with his parents, I read elsewhere

631
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,480
it was with his daughter and girlfriend.

632
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,640
It might have been all of them.

633
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:08,640
I'm not sure.

634
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,600
But I'm just making sure that I give all the info that I found.

635
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,600
Yeah, nice.

636
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:13,600
It might have been his parents.

637
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,640
Samantha Koenig would not be reported missing until the following day as it was late at

638
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,960
night when she was abducted.

639
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:25,040
Unfortunately she was reported missing hours after she had already been dead.

640
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,440
The FBI would quickly take notice of the case and began to create a task force in hopes of

641
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,800
locating Samantha.

642
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,320
Although security footage showed Samantha at work the previous night and a strange man

643
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,320
entering through the window at holding her at gunpoint, Israel had disguised himself

644
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,240
very well for the cameras and this lead quickly died.

645
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,440
I was going to ask if there was any security footage because I'm assuming at this point

646
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,440
it's what, 90, something?

647
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:50,440
This is 2012.

648
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,440
Oh 2012.

649
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,440
Yeah.

650
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,440
Oh, he was born in 78?

651
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,440
Well okay yeah.

652
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,440
Yeah.

653
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,560
He was probably like put a disguise on so even if he was caught on camera it didn't look

654
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,960
anything like him.

655
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,920
Israel would return from his two week cruise on February 17th, 2012 where he would return

656
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,280
to the shed to find Samantha's body.

657
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,200
Sticking to his original plan Israel decided that he was actually going to try and get

658
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,440
ransom money from Samantha's parents.

659
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,680
In order to provide quote proof of life end quote Israel would sew Samantha's eyelids

660
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,280
open with fishing line.

661
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,200
Oh my god.

662
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,560
Put braids in her hair and makeup on her face.

663
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,520
Remember she's been deceased for over two weeks.

664
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,440
Furthermore he prompts Samantha's body against a wall and held out a current issue of the

665
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:43,800
Alaska Daily News in order to prove that she was alive and well.

666
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,080
I am shook.

667
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:54,800
He sewed her eyelids open.

668
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,800
Yeah.

669
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:03,040
A few days later on February 24th Israel would send these photos along with a text stating

670
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,720
where a ransom note could be located to Samantha's boyfriend.

671
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,440
To her boyfriend?

672
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,120
Not even to police or a news station?

673
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,120
To her boyfriend.

674
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,120
On her phone.

675
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,240
Like he texted from her phone and sent it to the boyfriend.

676
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,880
Can you imagine like finding out later that she's like not alive in that photo?

677
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,400
Like I literally can't even imagine that.

678
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,400
You couldn't unsee it.

679
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,120
I mean you wouldn't be able to unsee it regardless if you thought that she was alive because

680
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,840
you think that she's in this kidnapping situation.

681
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,000
It's horrible.

682
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:39,280
Israel would request a $30,000 payout in order to return Samantha alive.

683
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,320
Hearing the news Samantha's parents desperately wanted to comply but they could only come

684
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,080
up with about $5,000.

685
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,040
Hoping it would give them some sort of advantage, Samantha's parents would deposit this money

686
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,840
into her account for her captor to utilize.

687
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,960
Unfortunately for the Conigs, their daughter was already deceased and Israel would dump

688
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:03,880
the dismembered remains in a frozen lake just outside Palmer, Alaska.

689
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:09,040
Israel would then flee, taking Samantha's ATM card on the road with him and using it

690
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,400
at various ATMs along the way.

691
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,400
Dumbass.

692
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,760
Alaska, Arizona, New Mexico to withdraw money.

693
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,000
What a dummy.

694
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,240
Of course the card was now being traced but when security footage from the ATMs were

695
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:28,080
taken the man withdrawing the money was noted as being in numerous layers and a full face

696
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,720
masking glasses.

697
00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:31,400
Again disguised.

698
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:37,160
However, the vehicle that the mystery man was driving was not out of view of the cameras

699
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,760
and it was not long until Israel Keys was arrested in connection with the abduction and possible

700
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,800
murder of Samantha Conig.

701
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,400
Investigators would quickly circulate footage of the vehicle through an APB and when Israel's

702
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:54,480
matching car was seen going slightly over the speed limit he was pulled over.

703
00:34:54,480 --> 00:35:00,000
On March 13, 2012 Israel would be taken into custody in Lufkin, Texas by Texas Highway

704
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,200
Patrol Corporal Brian Henry and Texas Ranger Stephen Rayburn.

705
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:09,040
Following pulling him over, officers would search Israel's vehicle and discover Samantha's

706
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:14,800
ATM card, her cell phone, and the same disguise that the man making the withdraws was wearing.

707
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,800
He's so smart.

708
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,000
He's just a genius.

709
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,240
Although Israel had been apprehended in March, Samantha Conig's body would not be discovered

710
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:23,680
until April 2.

711
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,000
Just a few days after Israel agreed to speak with authorities about his crimes.

712
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,320
Did he help like he located her?

713
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,200
I don't know specifically but it seems as such because just a few days later he's like

714
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,960
I dumped her in that lake.

715
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,360
Following his arrest, Israel would be extradited to Alaska to be charged for his crimes and

716
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,840
he would quickly begin telling the story of his life.

717
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:51,760
Israel would confess to the murder of Samantha Conig and give details about the courier killings.

718
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:57,920
Israel would also state that he killed quote, less than a dozen and quote, people in total.

719
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,800
While he was particularly vague, Israel would comment on certain crimes that led investigators

720
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:08,360
to believe that he was responsible for at least 11 murders in total.

721
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,320
Throughout the series of interviews he gave the FBI, Israel showed emotion when speaking

722
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:17,320
about his daughter whom he did not want to know anything about his crimes.

723
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,360
Israel stated about this quote, I want my kid to have a chance to grow up.

724
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,480
You know, she's in a safe place now.

725
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,280
She's not going to see any of this.

726
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,080
I want her to have a chance to grow up and not have all this hanging over her head end

727
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,080
quote.

728
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:35,840
I mean, how selfless, but you also took the lives of other people.

729
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,000
Right, and if you didn't want her to know about it, why'd you do it?

730
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,680
Yeah, and I think it was going to fucking happen.

731
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,840
What about Samantha's parents?

732
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:43,840
Yeah, exactly.

733
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,680
They literally forked over money in the hopes that their daughter was alive and you still

734
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,880
manipulated that situation.

735
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,600
Furthering his seriousness about not wanting to be in the media, Israel stated quote, I'm

736
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,520
happy to help but it's on my terms.

737
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,040
I'm not in this for the glory.

738
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,440
I'm not trying to be on TV.

739
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,440
Oh, please.

740
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,200
I'm sorry I had a minute and wrote your end quote.

741
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,200
I'm like, geez.

742
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,720
Yeah, like then why the fuck did you do it?

743
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:08,720
You're a martyr.

744
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:09,720
Okay, like no.

745
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:11,520
I'm not in it for the glory.

746
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,520
I'm not in it for the glory.

747
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,000
I'm in it for self gratification.

748
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,000
Yeah, seriously.

749
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,000
Like what?

750
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,960
Like that makes it better.

751
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,640
Among other things, Israel would explain that he made a crucial mistake when committing

752
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,280
his last crime.

753
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,280
He broke his rule that he would not commit any crimes close to home and he blamed this

754
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,640
for the reason he got caught.

755
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,520
Like yeah, that's the reason not because you're a dummy.

756
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,640
You thought about dressing up in front of the camera but you didn't think to not drive

757
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,240
past the camera.

758
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:43,040
Israel would state about his early crimes quote, back when I was smart, I would let

759
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,840
them come to me and quote.

760
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,000
Yeah, because you were so approachable.

761
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,480
Sounds like an incel.

762
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:53,840
I'm pretty sure that like everyone was avoiding you like since you were fucking weird.

763
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:59,280
On May 23rd, 2012, just a few months after his arrest, Israel attended a routine hearing

764
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,600
regarding his charges.

765
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,520
While here, Israel would use wood shavings that he had gotten from a pencil in an attempt

766
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,640
to pick his handcuffs.

767
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,840
I also read somewhere he was able to get his leg irons like broken and he broke them

768
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:18,080
and was able to get like a little ways away before being tasered and tattooed by officers.

769
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,680
Yeah, put your hands up.

770
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:27,360
The following day on May 24th, 2012, Israel would be interviewed once again.

771
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,440
In the beginning of the interview, Israel begins by making a joke that he was sore in

772
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,440
muscles that he didn't even know he had due to being tased the day before.

773
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,360
Oh, I thought he was gonna be like, because I've been working out, you know, my one hour

774
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,440
a day to work out.

775
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:45,160
He stated quote, it reminded me of those late night infomercials they use to sell those

776
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,920
machines that shock your abs and stuff and quote.

777
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,960
He's gonna get so red because he's gonna get tased so many times.

778
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,200
He continues throughout the interview making jokes, especially when officer Jeff Bell states

779
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,160
that there was some concern based on Israel's escape attempt the previous day.

780
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,840
Israel responds by laughing and stating quote, what are they afraid I'd actually get away

781
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,240
and quote, like he's like making jokes about it.

782
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:13,360
No, they're actually thinking about like trying you for like more shit now because you're

783
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,640
a dumbass.

784
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:20,960
Many other interviews are available online and I have the source down in the show notes.

785
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,800
But unfortunately, since there was an ongoing trial, there's no further information about

786
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,040
Samantha in these interviews because they weren't allowed to talk about it.

787
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,600
And I was gonna do some audio clips, but there's like a loud buzzing in the background and it

788
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:32,600
was too distracting.

789
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,320
But I did pull some other things from it.

790
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,520
Israel's trial would be scheduled for March of 2013, a little over a year after the death

791
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,680
of Samantha.

792
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:47,000
During this time, Israel would continue his interviews, but his cooperation would decrease

793
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,440
as time went on and his name was getting bigger and bigger in the media.

794
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,720
He's like a torture to fucking tell anybody about me.

795
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,040
Like they have control over that.

796
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:02,280
He's someone who doesn't understand the power of the word like no.

797
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,360
Like the fact that he's like, I'm just escaping to see if I can.

798
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,800
Nothing holds me down.

799
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,680
And then you know with that when the media is picking up his name, he doesn't have control

800
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,680
over it.

801
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:13,680
Yeah.

802
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:14,680
But also you don't want your name in the media.

803
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,960
Why the fuck are you trying to escape in a courtroom that probably has a bunch of fucking

804
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:18,960
people and reporters?

805
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:19,960
You know what I mean?

806
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:20,960
Like it's stupid.

807
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,800
And he's willing to do a few interviews because he wants to remain relevant, but he doesn't

808
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,000
want to do all the interviews because I'm sure it's monetary too.

809
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,960
And he wants to like lead them little pieces like breadcrumbs and stuff instead of just

810
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,320
giving them all the details.

811
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,480
Yes, exactly.

812
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,960
Israel would grow frustrated in the delays of his hearing, not necessarily delays, but

813
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,440
the fact that it was a year later because he just wanted to be tried.

814
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,800
And although it was scheduled, like I said, a little over a year out, prosecutors were

815
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:51,720
suggesting that it may be delayed more as they were debating on seeking the death penalty.

816
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:55,760
In one interview, Israel stated that he wished to be executed within a year of his hearing.

817
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:56,760
He's like, just fucking kill me.

818
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:57,760
I don't want to be here.

819
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:58,760
Who else said that?

820
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,280
Someone else is like, yeah, no, if you're, I'm not guilty, but if you find me guilty,

821
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,280
you better kill me.

822
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,280
Yeah, I don't remember.

823
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,280
Was it Dan Wozniak?

824
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,280
It was definitely a man.

825
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,280
I think it was Dan Wozniak.

826
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,280
I'm not sure.

827
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,920
I'm not the lesbian, the actor.

828
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,920
I'm so stupid.

829
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,760
Like, oh, okay, I don't want to be held responsible for my crimes.

830
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,760
Just kill me.

831
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:16,760
Yeah, exactly.

832
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,680
Like, yeah, if I'm not guilty, but if I was, you better kill me.

833
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,080
You better kill me.

834
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,600
Israel would state in interviews that he was never planning on being taken into custody

835
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:26,960
alive.

836
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,960
He stated that when he would commit a crime such as a bank robbery, he always brought two

837
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:36,680
guns, one to rob the bank and a second one with a hundred rounds for a shootout.

838
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:37,680
Never happened.

839
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:42,160
I'm pretty sure he was just light smuggling shit out of people's homes.

840
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,160
It's actually coming up later.

841
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,600
I put it like kind of towards the end.

842
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,600
He did, and they ended up finding out later that he robbed like a bunch of things.

843
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:48,600
Oh, shit.

844
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:49,600
Yeah.

845
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:50,600
Not like a bunch of things.

846
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,360
Man, this guy's ego is through the roof.

847
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,360
More than one.

848
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:59,320
Actually, we've been looking for him for 20 years.

849
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:05,680
On November 29th, 2012, Officer Bell, Special Agent Jolene Golden, Assistant US Attorney

850
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,800
Frank Russo, and Assistant US Attorney Kevin Fieldis all interviewed Israel once again

851
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,520
in an attempt to gain more information about unsolved crimes.

852
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,000
I feel like Frank Russo is- He sounds familiar, right?

853
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,400
Very prevalent, yeah.

854
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,680
I think he's been on a lot of big cases.

855
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,960
Israel all but refused to cooperate, and he would continue to ask mostly about the logistics

856
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,720
of the hearing and charges moving forward.

857
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:29,840
He's like, I don't care about that.

858
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,680
I just want to talk about the hearing and stuff.

859
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,520
Throughout the interviews, the FBI were able to confirm that Israel was responsible for

860
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:43,280
a robbery of a community bank in Tupper Lake, New York in April of 2009.

861
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:48,320
He also told authorities that he burglarized a home in Texas and set it on fire.

862
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,840
He's just like a jack of all trades.

863
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:50,920
He's all over the place.

864
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:56,400
The FBI also reported that Israel burglarized 20 to 30 homes across the US and robbed several

865
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,840
banks between 2001 and 2012.

866
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,560
Again, these are throughout the interviews.

867
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,160
He's like barely giving them anything, and they're piecing it all together.

868
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,160
Yeah.

869
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,040
With the trial a few months away, everybody was hitting the ground running in order to

870
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:14,280
prepare, especially the prosecution, as again, they were considering the death penalty.

871
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:19,680
On December 1st, 2012, Israel Keys would be found dead in his prison cell with a self-inflicted

872
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,680
wound made by a razor blade.

873
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:22,680
What?

874
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:23,680
What?

875
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,920
It's unclear to this day how he was able to smuggle a razor blade into his cell, but

876
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,160
it is thought that he was not willing to spend his life in prison and would rather die than

877
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,960
risk not getting the death penalty.

878
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,840
He was afraid he wasn't going to get the death penalty and just be in life.

879
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,400
That's fucking wild.

880
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,400
Yeah.

881
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,400
Bye.

882
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,400
See ya.

883
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,240
Straight up, he abstained himself.

884
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:50,440
Along with the deceased Israel, a message was written on the wall in his cell.

885
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,920
12 skulls were drawn out with Israel's own blood.

886
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,840
Along with the words, quote, we are one, end quote.

887
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,840
Ew.

888
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,120
Ew, he's...

889
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:07,560
Investigators believe that these 12 skulls represent Israel and his 11 murder victims.

890
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,320
Not 12 victims, though?

891
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,760
No, I think it's like...

892
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,600
There was like one that was separated from the 11.

893
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:13,600
I see, okay.

894
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,600
Yeah.

895
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:20,600
Israel's mother, four sisters, and three brothers-in-law were the only people in attendance at his funeral.

896
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,120
Peace.

897
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,440
While it is confirmed that Israel had three murder victims, with all the information that

898
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,040
he provided, investigators were able to come up with a list of possible victims, including

899
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,840
some that were not part of the 11 suggested.

900
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,880
So these are additional, additional potential victims.

901
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:45,240
On March 2nd, 1996, 13-year-old Julie Marie Harris disappeared while waiting for a ride

902
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:49,040
to her local church in Coville, Washington.

903
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,680
Julie was known as having a blood disorder that caused both of her legs to be amputated

904
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,520
at the knee when she was younger.

905
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,720
Julie would get two prosthetic legs and go on to become a medalist in skiing at the

906
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:00,720
Special Olympics.

907
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,320
Oh, shit.

908
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:07,960
On April 26th, 1997, Julie's remains would be located in a wooded area a few miles away

909
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,400
from where she went missing.

910
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,520
Her prosthetic legs would be found in a river close to the crime scene a month later.

911
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,760
At the time of Julie's disappearance, Israel was 18 years old and living in the same area

912
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,480
where she went missing from.

913
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,880
Also was questioned about the murder of Julie when he was incarcerated, but never confirmed

914
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,200
or denied if he was the perpetrator.

915
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:35,000
Another young girl from the Coville, Washington area, 12-year-old Cassandra or Cassie Emerson

916
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,040
was reported missing in June of 1997.

917
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:44,520
Cassie was noticed as missing when the remains of 29-year-old Marlene K. Emerson, her mother,

918
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,000
were located in their burned-down trailer home.

919
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,480
Oh my god.

920
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:53,120
A year following her disappearance, Cassie's remains would be located 13 miles from her

921
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,280
home.

922
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,200
Israel still living in the area around this time confessed to law enforcement that one

923
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,360
of his first arson crimes was burning down a trailer home in Coville.

924
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,360
What?

925
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,960
But he didn't specifically confess to that.

926
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,760
Yeah, and he didn't say these people's names or anything like that.

927
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,840
He didn't even say there was bodies involved.

928
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,720
Israel had hinted to investigators that he had killed five people in Washington state

929
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:22,480
and was the subject of an active investigation of the state police and the FBI regarding

930
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,120
these crimes.

931
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,000
But again, he's being so vague and he's doing it on purpose.

932
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,080
He's just giving them again breadcrumbs.

933
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:34,840
Well do you think, not that it makes him more relevant or less relevant, but do you think

934
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,480
more so that it's certain crimes that he's not necessarily proud of and that's why he's

935
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,320
not claiming them?

936
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:47,000
Like with the arson, maybe he didn't mean to burn down the trailer with someone in it,

937
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,560
so he's not going to claim it as his.

938
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:54,520
Or maybe he's afraid to look like someone who takes advantage of maybe a disabled person

939
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,360
and that's why he didn't claim that one either.

940
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,520
That's an interesting thought.

941
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:06,120
I personally think that he has a lot of antisocial, I think he has antisocial personality disorder.

942
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,120
I'll just say that.

943
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,680
But he has a lot of antisocial tendencies, which means like complete lack of empathy and

944
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,640
I think he gets a rise out of fucking with people.

945
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:13,640
Yeah.

946
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,600
And he's fucking with the authorities and the investigators by giving them just what

947
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,840
he wants to give them and he likes watching them scramble and ask more questions because

948
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:21,840
he has the control.

949
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:22,840
Yeah.

950
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,400
I think he thinks it's funny to gaslight them or to lead them on a wild goose chase.

951
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,480
I like your term like bread crumbing because that's such a term now in relationships where

952
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,080
it's like just giving you a little bit to keep you hooked.

953
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,080
Yeah, exactly.

954
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,080
And I think that you're right.

955
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,800
I think that's definitely what he's doing.

956
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:43,360
Is real claim to have either buried or submerged a victim in a lake in Nea Bay, Washington

957
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:49,080
sometime between July and October 2001, a body was found in this same location, but it was

958
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,800
ultimately determined to have been accidental.

959
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:56,560
But this was determined to be accidental before Israel suggested that he might have had something

960
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:57,560
to do with it.

961
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,200
So it was like ruled accidental when it was found and then way later on he's like, oh,

962
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,120
yeah, I did that, you know, whatever.

963
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,520
Israel would further confess to the double homicide of a young couple, which occurred

964
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,720
sometime between 2001 and 2005.

965
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:14,160
And according to him, the female was fatally strangled while the male was beaten to death.

966
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,760
Again, vague.

967
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,560
Furthermore Israel claimed that he had killed two further victims between 2005 and 2006,

968
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,560
who are both killed separately.

969
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,880
As far as additional possible murders go, Israel is a suspect in a series of crimes

970
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,160
committed by one dubbed the Boca Killer.

971
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:38,040
These crimes took place in 2007 in Boca Raton, Florida, with the first victim being that

972
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,640
of 52 year old Randy Ann Maltese Groenberg.

973
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,920
On March 23rd, 2007, Randy was abducted from the Boca Town Center mall parking lot, and

974
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,920
her body would be found within an hour at a different location with two fatal gunshot

975
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,800
wounds.

976
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,480
On August 7th, 2007, an unidentified woman and her toddler son were kidnapped from the

977
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,800
same parking lot.

978
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:05,080
Although the kidnapper wore a face covering and an overall disguise, the victim did catch

979
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:10,480
a glimpse of their face, and the kidnapper was known to have resembled Israel.

980
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,360
The kidnapper forced the woman to withdraw money from her ATM card, but ultimately let

981
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,520
her and her son go unharmed, which is odd.

982
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:25,080
Finally, in the Boca Killer crimes, on December 12th, 2007, 47 year old Nancy Bochichicho and

983
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:30,240
7 year old Joey Bochichicho-Houser were found fatally shot in their vehicle in the same

984
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,840
Boca Town Center mall parking lot.

985
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,440
So again, just listing potential things that he could have done.

986
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:41,120
Furthermore, authorities believe that Israel may have murdered 48 year old sex worker Deborah

987
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,680
Feldman following her disappearance on April 8th, 2009.

988
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,440
Deborah was last seen at her apartment in Hackensack, New Jersey, and her body has never

989
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,760
been recovered.

990
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,040
Authorities questioned Israel about this disappearance, however, after searching his browsing history

991
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,160
and seeing multiple inquiries about Deborah's missing person's case.

992
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,680
He was like Googling it like Deborah.

993
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,500
When asked about this, Israel said quote, I don't want to talk about her yet.

994
00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:12,280
So again, he's like taunting them like, oh, I don't want to talk about her yet.

995
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,640
Like hinting that he has information about it, but he has the control.

996
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,120
Like I'm just going to keep that under wraps for now.

997
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,720
Let me know what you know, then I'll tell you.

998
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:27,160
So it is believed that Israel killed Deborah and buried her body near Tupper Lake, New York.

999
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:33,280
Lastly, Israel is a suspect in the murder of 58 year old James or Jimmy Lamar Tidwell,

1000
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,000
Jr.

1001
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,840
Jimmy was an electrician who disappeared in Mount Enterprise, Texas on February 15th,

1002
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:40,840
2012.

1003
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,320
Now I know what you're thinking.

1004
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:43,320
February 15th?

1005
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:44,320
That's weird.

1006
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,320
Wasn't he on the cruise during that time?

1007
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,560
Because he didn't come back home until February 17th.

1008
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:53,400
But two week cruise, he was docking in Louisiana and Mount Enterprise, Texas is on the east

1009
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:58,760
side of Texas, he literally could have driven across the state border and then back within

1010
00:50:58,760 --> 00:50:59,760
a few hours.

1011
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:00,760
Yeah, for sure.

1012
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:01,760
This doesn't make any sense.

1013
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:02,880
So then I reread it and was like, oh shit.

1014
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,880
Did he drive home or did he fly?

1015
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:05,880
I'm not sure.

1016
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:06,880
But maybe-

1017
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,520
If you drove home, then he could just swing through there.

1018
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,520
That's true.

1019
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:15,640
But if he got back on the 14th, like we said, it wouldn't take him two days to drive, although

1020
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,600
I didn't ask, it would take him longer.

1021
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:18,600
Maybe.

1022
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:19,600
Yeah, it depends.

1023
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:20,600
I don't know.

1024
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,400
But I think he would have just maybe gone to Texas and then back to Louisiana and then

1025
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:25,400
flown home from there.

1026
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,400
Yeah.

1027
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:32,320
Either way, Jimmy had just finished a night shift and was last seen around 5.30 a.m.

1028
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:38,200
During a bank robbery that took place the following day, February 16th, 2012, the perpetrator,

1029
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,960
believed to be Israel, was wearing a hat that resembled the one that Jimmy was last seen

1030
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:43,960
in.

1031
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:44,960
Ooh.

1032
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,200
The hair of the perpetrator also looked very similar to Jimmy's.

1033
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,400
And when questioned about this crime later, Israel stated that the wig he wore was in

1034
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,800
fact human hair.

1035
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,440
When asked where he bought the real human hair to use as a wig, Israel stated, quote,

1036
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,920
you don't have to buy real hair to get real hair.

1037
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:02,920
Any quotes?

1038
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,920
Oh my God.

1039
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,000
Full bodied he-

1040
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,040
That is so not funny.

1041
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,040
That's fucking gross.

1042
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,800
I just couldn't say it like seriously because that's such a bizarre fucking quote.

1043
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:19,800
It is.

1044
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,840
Yeah, you're laughing at the ridiculousness of it.

1045
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:22,840
Like what?

1046
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:23,840
That's horrible.

1047
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,800
He just scouts this man.

1048
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,680
It seems like it.

1049
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:33,360
I mean, it's ruthless enough that it's hard to believe.

1050
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,120
So if it looked like real, you know what I'm saying?

1051
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,160
Like he's just that far removed.

1052
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,160
He's that heinous.

1053
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:44,120
But he's like, oh, I could just put a human bodysuit on and go commit pink robberies and

1054
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:45,720
nobody's going to know that it's me.

1055
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:46,720
That's what I'm saying.

1056
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:52,440
He has no sense of empathy or remorse or how he affects anybody else or like what he does,

1057
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,960
like how grotesque it is.

1058
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,440
Furthering the idea that Israel was a crazy serial killer rather than a man who just killed

1059
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,200
on two separate occasions or the things that came up in the search of his house.

1060
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,240
So we're going back to one after he was arrested.

1061
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:11,240
Dozens of books about murders, both fiction and nonfiction, were found at Israel's home

1062
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:13,080
in the search.

1063
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:18,160
He was also known as closely studying specific serial killers like Ted Bundy, and he felt

1064
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,040
that he shared many similarities with Ted of the West.

1065
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,000
Oh my God, sweaty teddy.

1066
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,400
It is thought that Israel attempted to escape court to copy Ted's actions after his arrest

1067
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,440
because he also tried to escape.

1068
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:34,240
However, Israel was very concerned about being seen as a copycat, which is another reason

1069
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:36,400
he didn't want to be in the media.

1070
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,400
Okay.

1071
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,800
I don't want them to think that I'm like them.

1072
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,680
I'm trying to copy anybody.

1073
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,520
He's one of those guys that likes one of those obscure band t-shirts that you wouldn't

1074
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,120
know is that band unless you know the band.

1075
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:48,120
Yeah, exactly.

1076
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,120
You know what I mean?

1077
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,880
He's like, I want to emulate Ted Bundy, but I don't want to be like Ted Bundy.

1078
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,640
I don't want anyone to know that I'm trying to be like him.

1079
00:53:55,640 --> 00:54:02,240
Additionally, Israel referred to Dennis Rader, aka BTK, as a quote, wimp, for apologizing

1080
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:04,680
in court and showing remorse for his crimes.

1081
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,080
I mean, I agree with that.

1082
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,760
But he expressed admiration for other serial killers quote that haven't been caught end

1083
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:11,760
quote.

1084
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:12,760
He's like, oh, I like those guys.

1085
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,400
Like those guys are cool.

1086
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,600
Israel was asked about fellow Alaskan serial killer Robert Hansen while being interviewed

1087
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:19,880
as well.

1088
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,800
And he would respond, quote, yeah, I know all about him.

1089
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,280
I probably know every single serial killer that's ever been written about.

1090
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:27,600
It's kind of a hobby of mine.

1091
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:28,600
End quote.

1092
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:29,600
I mean, same.

1093
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:30,600
Scarlett Jenkinson.

1094
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,600
Same, but I don't kill people, you know?

1095
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,720
Yeah, we do it for, you know.

1096
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:35,720
For this.

1097
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:36,720
For this.

1098
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:37,720
For this.

1099
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:43,440
A few months after Israel was arrested, the 2012 Aurora Colorado shooting perpetrated

1100
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,520
by James Holmes took place.

1101
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:51,160
Authorities would casually inform Israel about the shooting to achieve respond by asking

1102
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:56,920
about the status of James and expressed interest in getting to know more about him.

1103
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,400
I mean, I think we would all like to know more about James Holmes only because James

1104
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:09,400
Holmes has probably one of the most lengthy mental illness, I guess.

1105
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,400
Records.

1106
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,400
Records.

1107
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,280
Yeah, whatever you want to call it, like that he is so far removed from reality.

1108
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,960
We've got to do a case on him.

1109
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,200
I actually had friends that weren't, well, they were living in Denver and they almost

1110
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,880
went to the Aurora Theater that night.

1111
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,200
I can't even imagine.

1112
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:25,200
I can't.

1113
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,800
I call them next day.

1114
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,080
Although Israel was extremely infatuated with other serial killers, he would not once refer

1115
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,480
to himself as a serial killer.

1116
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:39,080
In the very beginning, he said, here's how I was planning on becoming the most meticulous

1117
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,240
serial killer.

1118
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:44,080
But during interviews, he would not ever say like, I'm a serial killer because he killed

1119
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,240
three people, but it was only in two separate crime scenes.

1120
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:51,200
Technically he isn't a serial killer unless all of these other crimes that we think are

1121
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,200
true are true.

1122
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,200
Yeah.

1123
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,200
Then he is.

1124
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,920
In my mind, him saying I'm a serial killer would be essentially confessing to those 11

1125
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,480
crimes that they think he might have done.

1126
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:01,480
That's true.

1127
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:02,480
Yeah.

1128
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,480
Following Israel's death and years later, authorities would review unsolved murder and

1129
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:12,040
missing persons cases to try to determine which, if any, Israel could have been responsible

1130
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:13,040
for.

1131
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:20,440
In 2012, authorities identified another possible victim known only as Lewis County Jane Doe.

1132
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:25,440
Her body was found in the Peterman Hill area in Morton, Washington on April 7th, 2011 by

1133
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,720
a passing motorist.

1134
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:32,880
In 2022, Lewis County Jane Doe was officially identified, but her name was not released

1135
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,840
to the public.

1136
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,960
This is in 2022, so 10 years later, but I'm going back to 2012.

1137
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:42,480
So additionally, in late 2012, a confession by Israel about a murder committed in New

1138
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:47,400
York state was determined as credible, although authorities had not determined any details

1139
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,640
of the crime.

1140
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:50,640
I don't know about that one.

1141
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,720
Yeah, it's incredible.

1142
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:53,800
That's just what I read.

1143
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,040
It was like, yeah, just lastly, there's another murder.

1144
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:58,040
We've decided it's credible.

1145
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,440
I don't know if they just didn't reveal any details or they just didn't have many details.

1146
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:03,440
I'm not sure.

1147
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,960
Or if certain things just lined up, they didn't have any actual evidence.

1148
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,960
It's circumstantial.

1149
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,920
So it was never truly determined why Israel did the things that he did, and his MO was

1150
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,360
never really established as well.

1151
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:19,920
Like I said earlier, he's seen as an anomaly of sorts because we usually see at least a

1152
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:25,240
pattern in the way that other serial killers kill, but he made it his MO to not have an

1153
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:26,240
MO.

1154
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,240
You know?

1155
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:32,800
US Attorney Tristam Coffin was known as saying about this following Israel's death, quote,

1156
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,560
he provided some motivation, but I don't think it's really possible to pigeonhole why

1157
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:37,880
he did this.

1158
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,760
He described to investigators that this was a volititional act of his.

1159
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,800
It was something that he could control and he liked to do it.

1160
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,560
Why someone acts like that?

1161
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:47,560
Nobody knows.

1162
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,680
Yeah, he's not like other girls.

1163
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:50,680
Yeah.

1164
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,680
I said volititional, I think it's volitional.

1165
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,880
He's not like other girls.

1166
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:56,880
He's a cool killer.

1167
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:57,880
He's not like that.

1168
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,360
Yeah, he's a guy's girl.

1169
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,360
Oh my God.

1170
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,760
Well, that's his real keys.

1171
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,400
I have just a little bit about his mental health, but that's the whole story.

1172
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,920
It was a hard one to research because again, he only has like two or three confirmed murders

1173
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,960
and then all of this other suspected shit.

1174
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,600
But when it comes to the mental health status of Israel, I referred to a video created by

1175
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,800
one Dr. Todd Grande.

1176
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:25,680
Dr. Grande states that Israel was evaluated while in custody and appeared to have many

1177
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,200
mental illness characteristics.

1178
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:33,040
These include antisocial personality disorder, substance use disorder, and a well above average

1179
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,760
IQ.

1180
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:39,360
According to Dr. Grande, Israel also showed characteristics of both primary and secondary

1181
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:40,360
psychopathy.

1182
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,240
Didn't realize there was a difference, which I thought was interesting.

1183
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,880
So primary psychopathy is characterized by callousness, manipulation, and superficial

1184
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,680
charm while we all know that that's him.

1185
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,680
And Bundy.

1186
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:57,880
Yeah, but secondary psychopathy is associated with impulsivity, lack of long term goals,

1187
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,680
and hostile behavior, which is also kind of him.

1188
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:06,000
And I don't, maybe the hostile behavior as far as Bundy goes, but I think Bundy had a

1189
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,120
lot of longevity in his life.

1190
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,680
He had planned to be a lawyer, like all these things.

1191
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,240
So that's interesting that he, I don't think he would fall into that second.

1192
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,400
Yeah, I don't think so either.

1193
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:20,240
But Israel, again, an anomaly, he falls into both because he is catalyst.

1194
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:21,360
He is very manipulative.

1195
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,800
He has this superficial charm, but he also didn't think he was going to be alive for

1196
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,600
much longer if he kept committing crimes.

1197
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,960
He didn't plan on getting caught alive.

1198
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,080
He has hostile behavior.

1199
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:31,800
Like he's trying, he's withholding information.

1200
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,920
He's crossing his arms and saying, fuck you.

1201
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:38,400
You know, like impulsivity, like he said he didn't want to do, yeah, trying to escape,

1202
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,280
said he was never going to commit a crime close to home and then did because he saw

1203
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,280
an opportunity, you know.

1204
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:43,280
Yeah.

1205
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:44,280
Oh, I got goosebumps.

1206
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,480
Opportunistic for sure.

1207
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,920
And then lastly, Israel had a lack of remorse and just didn't ever take full responsibility

1208
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,440
for his actions.

1209
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,880
I just honestly, in my scientific mind, I just wish that he was still around so we could

1210
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,480
study his brain more because of how unique he was.

1211
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:00,480
Yeah.

1212
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:01,480
That's interesting.

1213
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,280
But yeah, that's Israel keys.

1214
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,280
Wild.

1215
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:05,280
I know.

1216
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:06,760
I've been wanting to do that one for a while.

1217
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:07,760
Yeah.

1218
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:08,880
I finally sat down and did it.

1219
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:17,240
If this is your regular weekly case, I'm excited to hear your Patreon because this is, this

1220
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,200
is pretty, this is pretty gruesome.

1221
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,200
Pretty gnarly case.

1222
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:21,400
I mean, sewing someone's eyeballs open.

1223
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,280
Oh, no, I know.

1224
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:24,280
Don't remind me.

1225
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:25,960
I already pushed it out of my head.

1226
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,640
Well, that is it.

1227
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,560
Thank you guys for joining us for another episode.

1228
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,240
Get excited for Denver.

1229
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,600
I am so excited and we're going to have so much cool merch.

1230
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,760
It's exclusive merch that we haven't even put online or anything.

1231
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,880
So we're going to have a lot of that and we're going to be wearing all of our merch too.

1232
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,400
If there's anything that you guys see while you're there or before you go that you want

1233
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:51,880
to order, just go ahead and DMS or email us and we can, if you see anything there, that's

1234
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:52,880
not your size.

1235
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:53,880
I mean, let us know.

1236
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,400
But if you want something beforehand, go ahead and email us and let us know as well.

1237
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:57,400
Yeah.

1238
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:58,400
The way you can rep.

1239
01:00:58,400 --> 01:00:59,400
Yes.

1240
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:00,400
Is there anything else?

1241
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:01,400
I think that's it.

1242
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:02,400
Okay.

1243
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:03,400
Well, we will see you guys soon.

1244
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,920
Patreon numbers be really excited for that new case coming out in the next couple days.

1245
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:06,920
Yep.

1246
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:07,920
All right.

1247
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:08,920
Bye.

1248
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:09,920
Bye.

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