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So today we are going to be talking about one Israel keys.
Israel keys?
Yeah.
Oh my God. I am so excited.
I knew you were going to know the name, but like he's literally been at the top of my
list for months. And I'm just like, I don't know because I never knew the story. And then
I started reading it and I was like, oh, shit. I'm like, this guy's an anomaly.
He's a baddie. Yeah.
He's wild.
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Content warning. This episode contains depictions of child neglect and abuse, graphic animal
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Okay, let's get into this. Israel Keys was born on January 7th, 1978 in Richmond, Utah
to parents John Jeffrey or Jeff Keys and Heidi Hackinson Keys. I think that's her maiden
name. So he doesn't have a middle name. I was like, oh, I forgot his middle name. That's
sad. Doesn't have one.
Our grandpa didn't have a middle name. He had to have, he had to make up his own when
he went into the war.
Oh, I didn't know that. Israel would be the second of nine or 10 children that the couple
would have. I said, I saw conflicting sources. Among the names of his sisters, Autumn Rose,
Hosanna, Sunshine, Charity and America. Okay, I'm not going to make an inappropriate strip
club joke right now.
Just some strong names there.
Next on the main stage, we got Charity. Give her your tips, ladies and gentlemen.
Oh my God. They would sound just like that too. It's a carnival barker.
Next on the main stage.
The Keys parents were known as having very strong beliefs and that led them to have all
of their children at home as they did not believe in medical assistance. Jeff and Heidi
were also members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and they
took their beliefs very seriously. This included homeschooling all of the children for many
years and not once taking any of them to see a doctor during their childhood. This also
led to no birth certificates.
Really?
Yes.
In what year?
Well, at least not for some of them. I'm not sure if all of them, 78 is when he was born.
So, yeah, they had birth certificates. They just didn't, they were just at home births
and stuff. So, essentially, they didn't, there's no hospital records or essentially,
like, birth certificates. We had as a nation birth certificates.
Yes.
And the family didn't.
Correct.
Okay.
The children would be homeschooled until in 1983 and when Israel was just five years old,
Jeff and Heidi would take it upon themselves to leave the church and move the family to
a remote plot of land north of Colville, Washington.
That's interesting.
So they become inactive or became inactive.
Yeah. So I guess they left their church and then, I guess, isolated?
No. They were leaving, like, that church, but they would join another one.
Oh.
Here, the family was living in a tent while Jeff began building a cabin that they would
eventually inhabit.
Damn. That sounds like a sweet video game.
The first seven years here, the family lived in the tent while Jeff built the cabin by
himself. So it was going to take a long time.
And had one bedroom for all those people.
But Jeff was known to be busy the majority of the time and when he was not working on
the cabin, he was praying for hours out in the woods behind the house.
Well, behind the tent, I guess.
Yeah.
Is there any, like...
It's a little cuckoo.
Yeah, just, yeah.
Is there any history of mental illness on the parents?
Not that I saw.
I don't think...
Here's the thing.
I'm not saying that it's, like, bad to be really involved in your faith, right?
But this particular story, it's like, dad is almost, like, using it to, like, not be
around the family.
Like, he's either in the woods praying all day or he's working on the cabin, but he's
not, like, spending time, like, in the tent with the family.
Do you think that's another reason why they had so many children was for religious purposes
and not necessarily because they wanted to have a lot of children?
Yeah, I do.
Due to Jeff's absence from the family, Israel, as the eldest son, began to take it upon himself
to hunt and kill game in order to feed his family.
Fair.
Along with hunting, he taught himself how to dress and butcher the animal in order to
make the most out of it.
Around this time, when Israel was just 10 years old, he would begin showing concerning
signs, such as breaking and entering, stealing, and setting fires.
Meanwhile, after the cabin was built enough to be inhabited, the family would move in.
However, it did not have running water or electricity, and there was only one room,
so everyone was pretty much on top of each other.
Oh my gosh.
While the parents had the family leave the LDS Church years prior, they did not leave
their face, like I said, and the family would begin attending services at another church
called the Ark.
The Ark was known around town as a place that preached to white supremacy ideology.
Yeah, that's just great.
At the age of 12, Israel was noted as being very interested in the Ark and was also known
to be obsessed with guns, these being the main target of what he was trying to steal,
like anywhere he broke in he's looking for guns.
Shortly after attending services at the church, the family would meet and become friends with
a man by the name of Chivy Keho, who happened to be the neighbor of the Kieses as well.
The family would later attend a different church in Colville that was called the Christian
Israel Covenant Church.
This church was known to preach that conceiving a child of mixed race was abominable and deviant,
and that Anglo-Saxons were meant to rule over all other races.
I am not going to make it through this episode.
It's like, let's get away from those white supremacists who will go to this church.
They're much better.
Screw those assholes.
Let's go over here and hang out with these dickheads.
With the cabin being very small in size, a number of children were forced to sleep in
the tent outside to open up some room.
And this is the time that Israel would begin bragging to other children at the church about
how he once skinned a deer alive.
Probably not, like 10.
So my point in saying that the kids had to sleep outside is that he was spending a lot
more time in the woods hunting game.
But it turns out to not necessarily be for food anymore.
It's almost like for fun.
Yeah.
It makes sense that the kids would spend a lot of time outside because he wants to be
in a smelly cabin with one room.
With no water.
Or electricity.
Probably hot as fuck in there.
They're probably pooping in there.
Dry and hot.
It smells like poop in the corner.
Israel would also comment about how he would, quote, hunt anything with a heartbeat, end quote.
And due to his odd choice of conversation, other children at the church began to steer
clear of Israel.
They're like, that guy's kind of an oddball.
Yeah.
One of the peers would even later say that Israel's presence, quote, made my skin crawl,
end quote.
At 10.
Yeah.
Well, around this time.
Yeah, at a lessened age.
Israel would continue to break into houses around this time and would openly shoot BB
guns at his neighbor's house, often setting fires as well around the area.
You know, they don't even try that.
Yeah.
They don't even try to shoot people.
Does he pee in the bed?
Yeah.
I don't know.
Well, he probably doesn't have a toilet.
Does he pee in the tent?
He's in the tent.
Yeah.
Israel was also known to occasionally break into the house of an acquaintance of his.
The peer who lived in the home was known to have avoided Israel due to the fact that
he witnessed him shoot an animal for fun once.
On one specific occasion, Israel would steal multiple guns from a neighbor of his.
And when his parents found out, they made him apologize.
They either apologized for stealing weapons.
By the time he was 14 years old, Israel stood at a tall six foot two inches and he was also
selling stolen guns to local adults around this time.
Does he have like a glannular issue?
What's happening?
I don't know.
I think he's just a tall guy.
Yeah.
Well, because that was, what was his name?
Carl Pans or M.T.
Oh yeah.
He had like a thyroid something going on.
Thyroid issue.
At 14.
Or pituitary, not thyroid.
Pituitary.
Yeah, we're all told over here.
It's like pituitary and dumb.
Yeah, it's like one of those things, you know.
You know, the ankles.
The ankles, just, you know, sprout.
It was also around this time, again, 14 years old, that Israel admitted to feeling something
much different about him.
He would state about this quote, I've known since I was 14 that there were things that
I thought were normal and okay, that no one else seemed to think were normal and okay.
So that's when I just started being a loner.
People found out about some of the stunts I did.
Like my parents and parents of other kids who would hang out with me.
They would find out about some of the stuff I did.
And that's when I just started doing stuff by myself exclusively, end quote.
Not a good sign.
Don't isolate.
I just started isolating myself really hard.
Yeah, the big deal.
Yeah, it seems like so far, because I keep thinking my mind goes back to that apology.
He's not really being held accountable for anything he's doing.
And the fact that he's like, well, people find it odd, but nobody's specifically telling
me not to.
Correct.
Yeah, I think like his parents are like almost like out of sight, out of mind, like I don't
give a fuck what you do, but these people are pissed off, like just to apologize.
You know, it's like they're not like telling him to apologize to hold him accountable.
They're telling him because they want to make the neighbors happy.
Yeah, they're telling him because they don't want to be held accountable.
Right.
Around this time in the early 90s, Jeff and Heidi would utilize their space to provide
housing to friends they made at the church.
Even though there's no room at the house for their kids to sleep in, they're having other
people live in the house.
These friends would also have a son and daughter that came to the home.
And in front of these two children, as well as his sister, Israel was known as tying the
family cat to a tree and shooting it.
Oh my God.
Following this, the cat was able to get itself loose and attempted to run away, but it was
obviously wounded and it started vomiting because it was like in shock.
Oh my God.
It was really, it's like such a graphic.
That is awful.
Picture to think about.
See, and this is why we don't do the content warning at the beginning because like she
really wanted to be like, she looked at me with these doe eyes like, I'm so sorry, you're
about to hear this.
Israel was known as laughing at the cat and the boy who was visiting would vomit in response
to what he was seeing.
Oh my God.
That is awful.
I know.
That's to this man.
After this, the boy would run away and later told his father what had happened and nothing
came of it.
Of course.
They just stopped coming around.
They're like, oh, we just won't hang out with that family.
Don't hang out with that Israel kid.
Israel's mother would begin to notice quote, some troubling signs and quote around this
time in Israel's life and stated that she found it odd that Israel would be listening
to different quote radio stations and different things and quote.
What are they only allowed to?
He's just listening to some weird music.
That must be the problem.
Yeah.
It's like, it's just mainstream pop.
Yeah.
Although he was interested in some strange activities by his teenage years, Israel had
actually become a very skilled carpenter.
He would build his first wooden cabin for his family at the age of 16.
Wow.
In 1995, Israel would begin working for a contractor, a job that he would keep for two
years.
Israel would also keep a journal around this time that was littered with Bible verses,
but also included daily sins in which he was thinking about his girlfriend.
I guess he had a casual girlfriend.
It wasn't really much mentioned.
Very casual apparently.
He's like, and I'm thinking about my girlfriend.
I'm a senator.
I'm thinking about her bra.
Her angle.
It is thought that Israel had abducted and sexually assaulted a young girl around this
time as well.
Okay.
I take back what I said because that's wild that he would feel like he needs to journal
those thoughts.
Yeah.
Well, that wasn't in the journal, but it's around the same time that he was journaling.
No, no.
That's what I mean though, but still, is it some kind of a subconscious cover up?
Yeah.
He's really perpetrating these really big evils, but he feels like as long as he writes
down some of the not so bad ones, then maybe it makes him feel a little better.
That's actually a good point.
I didn't think about that.
As far as this abduction and alleged sexual assault of this young girl, that's all I heard
about it.
It is thought.
There was no other information.
Oh, I see.
Maybe it was not a rumor, but I think it got around town and there was no...
He may have mentioned it in passing later on.
I see.
Okay.
So the family would relocate once again to Smyrna, Maine, where they changed tunes to
collect sap from Maple syrup production in an Amish community.
I would love to do that.
Collecting sap would be pretty cool.
I think it'd be fun to go out with your own little, what do you call it, like a spigot?
Spigot, yeah, I think.
And then go out there and...
Because here we have strawberry picking sometimes.
Yeah, that's our thing.
And yeah.
Well, not our thing, but Texas thing.
Or mushroom picking that we've heard so many things about in other episodes.
But I would love to go Maple syrup collecting.
Sap suckin'.
Ew.
I just want to go sap suckin'.
So yes, they're now collecting sap in Maine.
While Jeff and Heidi were extremely devoted to their faith, the children did not share
the same ideations, and soon enough they would sneak around and lie just to get together
with their friends or to watch a movie or hang out.
Jeff and Heidi would not allow the children to learn any new skills, specifically playing
an instrument as they were a quote against a God, end quote.
They just wanted them under their wing, under, like right under their thumb all the time.
I wonder what that's about though, because I have heard that it is, like music in general,
if it's not like secular music, is part of the devil.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know anything about that.
Around this time, Israel would fully decide that he did not want to follow the same religion
as his parents.
Israel was known to make tireless efforts to please his parents when it came to their religious
views, but one day after an intense argument, he would announce to them that he was an atheist.
Oh, like the big no.
In response, Jeff and Heidi would immediately kick Israel out of the home and tell his younger
siblings who still all looked up to him that they were not allowed to maintain contact
with him.
That's sad.
That's really sad.
Totally exiled.
During this, Israel would begin diving fully into Satanism and quickly began making plans
to commit a ritualistic murder.
He's like, well, I'm gonna go all the way.
I'm wearing my Satan shirt today.
Fitting.
Fitting for this episode.
Sometime in the summer of 1997 or 1998, Israel would find himself in Malpin, Oregon, along
the Deschutes River.
Israel would come across a group of friends that were tubing down the river and specifically
took notice of a young girl that he estimated to be about 14 to 18 years old.
Israel would stalk the girl behind a tree line and was somehow able to get her away
from her friends discreetly before sexually assaulting her at a knife point.
Israel stated that this assault was particularly violent and he had planned to murder her in
a satanic ritual following the assault.
Israel stated, however, that he ultimately let the girl back to her friends, stating,
quote, I was too timid, I wasn't violent enough, I made up my mind I was never going
to let that happen again.
He was like, I wish I had more brutally assaulted her.
I wish I would have killed her.
Killed her.
He's like, I was dumb, I let her go.
On July 9th, 1998, Israel would change his tune a bit and enlist himself in the United
States Army in the state of New York.
Typical.
He would subsequently serve as a specialist in Alpha Company, First Battalion, Fifth
Infantry Regiment.
It was noted as being odd that he was able to join the military considering Israel, like
his siblings, had no birth certificate or a social security number.
So they were kind of saying, like, how did he get around that?
Did he make a false one or did he, did they just not care or something?
Like something had to have happened.
I wonder if they thought he was not who he was.
He was not willing to provide a birth certificate, so he must be a fraud or he's using an alias.
Either way, they allowed him to join the military and following his intake, Israel would pass
a months long preliminary course that was for US Army Rangers in training.
He would be stationed at Fort Lewis and Fort Hood during his time in the army and also spent
some time abroad as well.
Israel would find himself stationed in Sinai, Egypt at one point and he would become friends
with several of his fellow soldiers.
Israel would later admit that while he was friends with them, he did tell one of the
men that he would quote, like to kill him.
Just by the way, brother, brother in arms, I'd like to kill you.
With this gun.
This gun, he's pointing to it.
Former comrades of Israel would later state that while he was in Fort Lewis, he was noted
as having a quiet demeanor and pretty much kept to himself.
However, on weekends, he was known as the party guy who would drink entire bottles of wild
turkey bourbon.
Oh my god.
A liver poisoning.
A monster.
Furthermore, Israel's former soldier friends would take notice of his seemingly big interest
in the band in St. Clown Posse and noted that he had several posters around where he
slept in the barracks.
Oh my god, he's a chocolo.
So random.
He's a chocolo.
He was that little hatchet man.
A few years into his service.
Sorry.
Fucking magnets, how do they work?
No?
Not at all.
Oh my gosh.
You have to watch that.
What is it?
It's in St. Clown Posse, but it's this music.
It's a song called Miracles and he's like earth, sun, sky, grass, like all this shit
is like fucking miraculous.
You know, like he says, fucking magnets, how do they work?
Oh my god.
It's like, bro, with like polar magnetation, like it's so stupid.
Look at him.
Just google it.
Like it's almost like the insinuation that magnets only exist because God made them.
I still don't understand.
It's too much for my little brain.
It's awful.
A few years into his service in February of 2001, Israel would be arrested for a DUI
in Thurston County after being pulled over.
He would take a plea agreement following discharge and he would ultimately be let go with just
a $350 fine.
About $620 today.
Despite this, Israel would receive an army achievement medal for his service as a gunner
and assistant gunner in 2001.
Israel would be honorably discharged the same year and he would relocate to Neah Bay, Washington
following his leaving the military.
Here he would find the Makkah Reservation Community of Neah Bay and he would also meet
and begin dating a girl whom he met here.
The two would quickly have a daughter together and this girl will be born in July of 2001.
Her name is not out there.
Not even the partner?
No.
Oh wow.
Okay.
And either way, I didn't want to put them out here.
Yeah.
I don't know how old she was.
Oh, I think she was around his age.
She wasn't much younger than him.
Okay.
Israel and the mother of his child would continue to live on the reservation for the next six
years but he would ultimately leave her when he began dating somebody new.
Mm-hmm.
Again, not much known about this woman either but she was a nurse practitioner and Israel
would bring his daughter along with both of them when he left.
So he took the daughter and moved in with this other lady.
Ain't nobody taking my child.
Yeah.
Nope.
In 2007, Israel would start a construction business in Alaska aptly named Keyes Construction
and he would work here as a handyman, contractor, and construction worker.
Israel would later speak with authorities about when his true killings began and he
was questioned on whether or not they started after his move to Alaska.
Israel would respond to this by saying, quote, yeah, Nea Bay is a boring town, end quote.
He's like, I had to get out of there because I wanted to kill someone and I couldn't do
it there.
Oh my god.
So he moved to Alaska.
Yeah.
Is he going to victimize like a bunch of native women?
Just keep listening.
Though it had been years since the incident at the river in which Israel lured and raped
a young girl, the crime seemed to establish somewhat of a rule for Israel in which he
decided that when he began killing, he was only to do it away from his home.
And he was going to make sure he killed him every time.
Yeah.
Israel would describe this rule stating that he regularly traveled very far from his home
and quote, like to find his victims along hiking trails at campgrounds and in other
remote areas, end quote.
I remind some of the woods when he was growing up.
Furthermore, Israel would choose his victims at random in order to avoid linking them to
each other or to him.
That's so scary.
That's creepy as fuck.
I don't like that at all.
In addition to Israel planning ahead about who to abduct or rather not planning, he
also described the way he was able to come up with the plan to becoming quote, the most
meticulous serial killer end quote.
Israel would explain that he would bury things he referred to as murder kits in the area
where he planned to later attack somebody.
Oh my god, this is too much.
These kits would contain things like weapons and supplies in order to dispose of the body.
And he would bury them like years prior.
Like years.
He would remember where he buried them and then be like, oh guess it's time to attack.
I haven't been there in years.
That is so extra.
Israel would also later admit to attempting to rape two women on two separate occasions
while in the military.
In the first attempt, Israel stated that he was on leave in Egypt when he came across
a sex worker and tried to assault her.
The second attack Israel stated was attempted on a college student that he had met in Israel.
Israel was at Israel.
I was like waiting for that line this whole time.
On top of these first two attempted attacks, Israel admitted to committing numerous bank
robberies around this time, both in New York and in Texas.
So again, no one knows this is happening while it's happening, but timeline wise we're finding
all this out later.
On June 8th, 2011, Israel would commit his first known murders in which he broke into
the home of 49 year old William or Bill Scott Courier and 55 year old Lorraine Simon Courier
of Essex, Vermont.
We know that Israel stated that he purposely chose his victims at random in order to avoid
being caught, so there's no well known motive for why he came across this particular home.
Israel would break into the home and tie up a Bill and Lorraine before driving them to
an abandoned farmhouse.
Israel would then fatally shoot Bill before sexually assaulting and strangling Lorraine
shortly after.
Israel would later confess to hiding one of his murder kids near the home of the couple
two years prior to this night.
Again he probably just hid it near a neighborhood, but it was two years prior and he was like
oh I remember where I hid that, let's go kill random people.
Let's go pick this random house.
That's wild.
I know.
Like who's to even say they didn't even just move into the house within those two years.
Following the murder Israel would hide his kit yet again in a new place in Parishville,
New York where they remained for over a year.
So he'd bury it and then he waited two years to use this specific kit and then took it
with him to bury it somewhere else after he murdered them?
After he used it to murder them.
Yeah.
Oh my god.
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On February 1st, 2012 Israel would strike once again when he came across 18 year old
Samantha Tesla Koenig, a coffee booth employee in Anchorage, Alaska.
Israel would approach the window of the drive-thru coffee shop and point a gun in the face of
Samantha just before 8pm.
According to Israel, he explained to Samantha that he was going to rob her and order her
to turn off the lights in the shop.
Samantha would comply and Israel would respond by tying up her hands and jumping into the
shop through the window.
Israel then forced Samantha out of the coffee shop and into his truck where he then drove
her to his house.
He would further explain to Samantha that not only was he planning on robbing her but
also wanted to hold her for ransom in order to gain money from her parents.
Samantha and Israel arrived at his home and Israel would quickly take her debit card and
cell phone.
He would keep his victim alive for a little bit this time and Israel would hold Samantha
captive in his truck until around 2am when he finally took her to a shed in the back
of his home.
After entering the shed, Israel would tie a rope around Samantha's neck and he would
then exit the shed to go inside.
What was he doing inside?
He was just checking to make sure his girlfriend and daughter were still asleep and that he
hadn't disrupted them.
They were just asleep inside.
What?
I thought he wasn't going to kill at his house anymore.
Oh yeah.
Well yeah.
We'll see.
But maybe that's why he's getting ballsy.
He's like, I'm just going to do it anyway and see if anybody notices.
See what I can get away with.
Yeah, exactly.
Well he got away with killing a couple so now he's like, I'm invincible.
After determining that the household was quiet, Israel would pour himself a glass of wine
and return to the shed.
Upon entering, Israel would explain to Samantha that he was going to rape her before strangling
her to death with the rope that was tied around her neck.
Unfortunately Israel was serious about his comments and he would ultimately strangle
Samantha to death.
Following Samantha being deceased, Israel would catch a cab to the airport and proceed
to go on a two week cruise departing from New Orleans in the Gulf of Mexico with his
parents.
What?
To anyone who's not familiar, the Gulf of Mexico is on the literal opposite side of
the country from Alaska.
Yeah.
That's a far track.
Diagnally.
So he's gone for two whole weeks and her body's in the shed.
I'm pretty sure his girlfriend and daughter went with him as well.
Oh okay.
So like the house was vacant.
I was going to say stay behind.
Yeah.
But still like, I guess he reconnected with his parents at some point?
Well I said parents at first, I read somewhere that it was with his parents, I read elsewhere
it was with his daughter and girlfriend.
It might have been all of them.
I'm not sure.
But I'm just making sure that I give all the info that I found.
Yeah, nice.
It might have been his parents.
Samantha Koenig would not be reported missing until the following day as it was late at
night when she was abducted.
Unfortunately she was reported missing hours after she had already been dead.
The FBI would quickly take notice of the case and began to create a task force in hopes of
locating Samantha.
Although security footage showed Samantha at work the previous night and a strange man
entering through the window at holding her at gunpoint, Israel had disguised himself
very well for the cameras and this lead quickly died.
I was going to ask if there was any security footage because I'm assuming at this point
it's what, 90, something?
This is 2012.
Oh 2012.
Yeah.
Oh, he was born in 78?
Well okay yeah.
Yeah.
He was probably like put a disguise on so even if he was caught on camera it didn't look
anything like him.
Israel would return from his two week cruise on February 17th, 2012 where he would return
to the shed to find Samantha's body.
Sticking to his original plan Israel decided that he was actually going to try and get
ransom money from Samantha's parents.
In order to provide quote proof of life end quote Israel would sew Samantha's eyelids
open with fishing line.
Oh my god.
Put braids in her hair and makeup on her face.
Remember she's been deceased for over two weeks.
Furthermore he prompts Samantha's body against a wall and held out a current issue of the
Alaska Daily News in order to prove that she was alive and well.
I am shook.
He sewed her eyelids open.
Yeah.
A few days later on February 24th Israel would send these photos along with a text stating
where a ransom note could be located to Samantha's boyfriend.
To her boyfriend?
Not even to police or a news station?
To her boyfriend.
On her phone.
Like he texted from her phone and sent it to the boyfriend.
Can you imagine like finding out later that she's like not alive in that photo?
Like I literally can't even imagine that.
You couldn't unsee it.
I mean you wouldn't be able to unsee it regardless if you thought that she was alive because
you think that she's in this kidnapping situation.
It's horrible.
Israel would request a $30,000 payout in order to return Samantha alive.
Hearing the news Samantha's parents desperately wanted to comply but they could only come
up with about $5,000.
Hoping it would give them some sort of advantage, Samantha's parents would deposit this money
into her account for her captor to utilize.
Unfortunately for the Conigs, their daughter was already deceased and Israel would dump
the dismembered remains in a frozen lake just outside Palmer, Alaska.
Israel would then flee, taking Samantha's ATM card on the road with him and using it
at various ATMs along the way.
Dumbass.
Alaska, Arizona, New Mexico to withdraw money.
What a dummy.
Of course the card was now being traced but when security footage from the ATMs were
taken the man withdrawing the money was noted as being in numerous layers and a full face
masking glasses.
Again disguised.
However, the vehicle that the mystery man was driving was not out of view of the cameras
and it was not long until Israel Keys was arrested in connection with the abduction and possible
murder of Samantha Conig.
Investigators would quickly circulate footage of the vehicle through an APB and when Israel's
matching car was seen going slightly over the speed limit he was pulled over.
On March 13, 2012 Israel would be taken into custody in Lufkin, Texas by Texas Highway
Patrol Corporal Brian Henry and Texas Ranger Stephen Rayburn.
Following pulling him over, officers would search Israel's vehicle and discover Samantha's
ATM card, her cell phone, and the same disguise that the man making the withdraws was wearing.
He's so smart.
He's just a genius.
Although Israel had been apprehended in March, Samantha Conig's body would not be discovered
until April 2.
Just a few days after Israel agreed to speak with authorities about his crimes.
Did he help like he located her?
I don't know specifically but it seems as such because just a few days later he's like
I dumped her in that lake.
Following his arrest, Israel would be extradited to Alaska to be charged for his crimes and
he would quickly begin telling the story of his life.
Israel would confess to the murder of Samantha Conig and give details about the courier killings.
Israel would also state that he killed quote, less than a dozen and quote, people in total.
While he was particularly vague, Israel would comment on certain crimes that led investigators
to believe that he was responsible for at least 11 murders in total.
Throughout the series of interviews he gave the FBI, Israel showed emotion when speaking
about his daughter whom he did not want to know anything about his crimes.
Israel stated about this quote, I want my kid to have a chance to grow up.
You know, she's in a safe place now.
She's not going to see any of this.
I want her to have a chance to grow up and not have all this hanging over her head end
quote.
I mean, how selfless, but you also took the lives of other people.
Right, and if you didn't want her to know about it, why'd you do it?
Yeah, and I think it was going to fucking happen.
What about Samantha's parents?
Yeah, exactly.
They literally forked over money in the hopes that their daughter was alive and you still
manipulated that situation.
Furthering his seriousness about not wanting to be in the media, Israel stated quote, I'm
happy to help but it's on my terms.
I'm not in this for the glory.
I'm not trying to be on TV.
Oh, please.
I'm sorry I had a minute and wrote your end quote.
I'm like, geez.
Yeah, like then why the fuck did you do it?
You're a martyr.
Okay, like no.
I'm not in it for the glory.
I'm in it for self gratification.
Yeah, seriously.
Like what?
Like that makes it better.
Among other things, Israel would explain that he made a crucial mistake when committing
his last crime.
He broke his rule that he would not commit any crimes close to home and he blamed this
for the reason he got caught.
Like yeah, that's the reason not because you're a dummy.
You thought about dressing up in front of the camera but you didn't think to not drive
past the camera.
Israel would state about his early crimes quote, back when I was smart, I would let
them come to me and quote.
Yeah, because you were so approachable.
Sounds like an incel.
I'm pretty sure that like everyone was avoiding you like since you were fucking weird.
On May 23rd, 2012, just a few months after his arrest, Israel attended a routine hearing
regarding his charges.
While here, Israel would use wood shavings that he had gotten from a pencil in an attempt
to pick his handcuffs.
I also read somewhere he was able to get his leg irons like broken and he broke them
and was able to get like a little ways away before being tasered and tattooed by officers.
Yeah, put your hands up.
The following day on May 24th, 2012, Israel would be interviewed once again.
In the beginning of the interview, Israel begins by making a joke that he was sore in
muscles that he didn't even know he had due to being tased the day before.
Oh, I thought he was gonna be like, because I've been working out, you know, my one hour
a day to work out.
He stated quote, it reminded me of those late night infomercials they use to sell those
machines that shock your abs and stuff and quote.
He's gonna get so red because he's gonna get tased so many times.
He continues throughout the interview making jokes, especially when officer Jeff Bell states
that there was some concern based on Israel's escape attempt the previous day.
Israel responds by laughing and stating quote, what are they afraid I'd actually get away
and quote, like he's like making jokes about it.
No, they're actually thinking about like trying you for like more shit now because you're
a dumbass.
Many other interviews are available online and I have the source down in the show notes.
But unfortunately, since there was an ongoing trial, there's no further information about
Samantha in these interviews because they weren't allowed to talk about it.
And I was gonna do some audio clips, but there's like a loud buzzing in the background and it
was too distracting.
But I did pull some other things from it.
Israel's trial would be scheduled for March of 2013, a little over a year after the death
of Samantha.
During this time, Israel would continue his interviews, but his cooperation would decrease
as time went on and his name was getting bigger and bigger in the media.
He's like a torture to fucking tell anybody about me.
Like they have control over that.
He's someone who doesn't understand the power of the word like no.
Like the fact that he's like, I'm just escaping to see if I can.
Nothing holds me down.
And then you know with that when the media is picking up his name, he doesn't have control
over it.
Yeah.
But also you don't want your name in the media.
Why the fuck are you trying to escape in a courtroom that probably has a bunch of fucking
people and reporters?
You know what I mean?
Like it's stupid.
And he's willing to do a few interviews because he wants to remain relevant, but he doesn't
want to do all the interviews because I'm sure it's monetary too.
And he wants to like lead them little pieces like breadcrumbs and stuff instead of just
giving them all the details.
Yes, exactly.
Israel would grow frustrated in the delays of his hearing, not necessarily delays, but
the fact that it was a year later because he just wanted to be tried.
And although it was scheduled, like I said, a little over a year out, prosecutors were
suggesting that it may be delayed more as they were debating on seeking the death penalty.
In one interview, Israel stated that he wished to be executed within a year of his hearing.
He's like, just fucking kill me.
I don't want to be here.
Who else said that?
Someone else is like, yeah, no, if you're, I'm not guilty, but if you find me guilty,
you better kill me.
Yeah, I don't remember.
Was it Dan Wozniak?
It was definitely a man.
I think it was Dan Wozniak.
I'm not sure.
I'm not the lesbian, the actor.
I'm so stupid.
Like, oh, okay, I don't want to be held responsible for my crimes.
Just kill me.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, yeah, if I'm not guilty, but if I was, you better kill me.
You better kill me.
Israel would state in interviews that he was never planning on being taken into custody
alive.
He stated that when he would commit a crime such as a bank robbery, he always brought two
guns, one to rob the bank and a second one with a hundred rounds for a shootout.
Never happened.
I'm pretty sure he was just light smuggling shit out of people's homes.
It's actually coming up later.
I put it like kind of towards the end.
He did, and they ended up finding out later that he robbed like a bunch of things.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
Not like a bunch of things.
Man, this guy's ego is through the roof.
More than one.
Actually, we've been looking for him for 20 years.
On November 29th, 2012, Officer Bell, Special Agent Jolene Golden, Assistant US Attorney
Frank Russo, and Assistant US Attorney Kevin Fieldis all interviewed Israel once again
in an attempt to gain more information about unsolved crimes.
I feel like Frank Russo is- He sounds familiar, right?
Very prevalent, yeah.
I think he's been on a lot of big cases.
Israel all but refused to cooperate, and he would continue to ask mostly about the logistics
of the hearing and charges moving forward.
He's like, I don't care about that.
I just want to talk about the hearing and stuff.
Throughout the interviews, the FBI were able to confirm that Israel was responsible for
a robbery of a community bank in Tupper Lake, New York in April of 2009.
He also told authorities that he burglarized a home in Texas and set it on fire.
He's just like a jack of all trades.
He's all over the place.
The FBI also reported that Israel burglarized 20 to 30 homes across the US and robbed several
banks between 2001 and 2012.
Again, these are throughout the interviews.
He's like barely giving them anything, and they're piecing it all together.
Yeah.
With the trial a few months away, everybody was hitting the ground running in order to
prepare, especially the prosecution, as again, they were considering the death penalty.
On December 1st, 2012, Israel Keys would be found dead in his prison cell with a self-inflicted
wound made by a razor blade.
What?
It's unclear to this day how he was able to smuggle a razor blade into his cell, but
it is thought that he was not willing to spend his life in prison and would rather die than
risk not getting the death penalty.
He was afraid he wasn't going to get the death penalty and just be in life.
That's fucking wild.
Yeah.
Bye.
See ya.
Straight up, he abstained himself.
Along with the deceased Israel, a message was written on the wall in his cell.
12 skulls were drawn out with Israel's own blood.
Along with the words, quote, we are one, end quote.
Ew.
Ew, he's...
Investigators believe that these 12 skulls represent Israel and his 11 murder victims.
Not 12 victims, though?
No, I think it's like...
There was like one that was separated from the 11.
I see, okay.
Yeah.
Israel's mother, four sisters, and three brothers-in-law were the only people in attendance at his funeral.
Peace.
While it is confirmed that Israel had three murder victims, with all the information that
he provided, investigators were able to come up with a list of possible victims, including
some that were not part of the 11 suggested.
So these are additional, additional potential victims.
On March 2nd, 1996, 13-year-old Julie Marie Harris disappeared while waiting for a ride
to her local church in Coville, Washington.
Julie was known as having a blood disorder that caused both of her legs to be amputated
at the knee when she was younger.
Julie would get two prosthetic legs and go on to become a medalist in skiing at the
Special Olympics.
Oh, shit.
On April 26th, 1997, Julie's remains would be located in a wooded area a few miles away
from where she went missing.
Her prosthetic legs would be found in a river close to the crime scene a month later.
At the time of Julie's disappearance, Israel was 18 years old and living in the same area
where she went missing from.
Also was questioned about the murder of Julie when he was incarcerated, but never confirmed
or denied if he was the perpetrator.
Another young girl from the Coville, Washington area, 12-year-old Cassandra or Cassie Emerson
was reported missing in June of 1997.
Cassie was noticed as missing when the remains of 29-year-old Marlene K. Emerson, her mother,
were located in their burned-down trailer home.
Oh my god.
A year following her disappearance, Cassie's remains would be located 13 miles from her
home.
Israel still living in the area around this time confessed to law enforcement that one
of his first arson crimes was burning down a trailer home in Coville.
What?
But he didn't specifically confess to that.
Yeah, and he didn't say these people's names or anything like that.
He didn't even say there was bodies involved.
Israel had hinted to investigators that he had killed five people in Washington state
and was the subject of an active investigation of the state police and the FBI regarding
these crimes.
But again, he's being so vague and he's doing it on purpose.
He's just giving them again breadcrumbs.
Well do you think, not that it makes him more relevant or less relevant, but do you think
more so that it's certain crimes that he's not necessarily proud of and that's why he's
not claiming them?
Like with the arson, maybe he didn't mean to burn down the trailer with someone in it,
so he's not going to claim it as his.
Or maybe he's afraid to look like someone who takes advantage of maybe a disabled person
and that's why he didn't claim that one either.
That's an interesting thought.
I personally think that he has a lot of antisocial, I think he has antisocial personality disorder.
I'll just say that.
But he has a lot of antisocial tendencies, which means like complete lack of empathy and
I think he gets a rise out of fucking with people.
Yeah.
And he's fucking with the authorities and the investigators by giving them just what
he wants to give them and he likes watching them scramble and ask more questions because
he has the control.
Yeah.
I think he thinks it's funny to gaslight them or to lead them on a wild goose chase.
I like your term like bread crumbing because that's such a term now in relationships where
it's like just giving you a little bit to keep you hooked.
Yeah, exactly.
And I think that you're right.
I think that's definitely what he's doing.
Is real claim to have either buried or submerged a victim in a lake in Nea Bay, Washington
sometime between July and October 2001, a body was found in this same location, but it was
ultimately determined to have been accidental.
But this was determined to be accidental before Israel suggested that he might have had something
to do with it.
So it was like ruled accidental when it was found and then way later on he's like, oh,
yeah, I did that, you know, whatever.
Israel would further confess to the double homicide of a young couple, which occurred
sometime between 2001 and 2005.
And according to him, the female was fatally strangled while the male was beaten to death.
Again, vague.
Furthermore Israel claimed that he had killed two further victims between 2005 and 2006,
who are both killed separately.
As far as additional possible murders go, Israel is a suspect in a series of crimes
committed by one dubbed the Boca Killer.
These crimes took place in 2007 in Boca Raton, Florida, with the first victim being that
of 52 year old Randy Ann Maltese Groenberg.
On March 23rd, 2007, Randy was abducted from the Boca Town Center mall parking lot, and
her body would be found within an hour at a different location with two fatal gunshot
wounds.
On August 7th, 2007, an unidentified woman and her toddler son were kidnapped from the
same parking lot.
Although the kidnapper wore a face covering and an overall disguise, the victim did catch
a glimpse of their face, and the kidnapper was known to have resembled Israel.
The kidnapper forced the woman to withdraw money from her ATM card, but ultimately let
her and her son go unharmed, which is odd.
Finally, in the Boca Killer crimes, on December 12th, 2007, 47 year old Nancy Bochichicho and
7 year old Joey Bochichicho-Houser were found fatally shot in their vehicle in the same
Boca Town Center mall parking lot.
So again, just listing potential things that he could have done.
Furthermore, authorities believe that Israel may have murdered 48 year old sex worker Deborah
Feldman following her disappearance on April 8th, 2009.
Deborah was last seen at her apartment in Hackensack, New Jersey, and her body has never
been recovered.
Authorities questioned Israel about this disappearance, however, after searching his browsing history
and seeing multiple inquiries about Deborah's missing person's case.
He was like Googling it like Deborah.
When asked about this, Israel said quote, I don't want to talk about her yet.
So again, he's like taunting them like, oh, I don't want to talk about her yet.
Like hinting that he has information about it, but he has the control.
Like I'm just going to keep that under wraps for now.
Let me know what you know, then I'll tell you.
So it is believed that Israel killed Deborah and buried her body near Tupper Lake, New York.
Lastly, Israel is a suspect in the murder of 58 year old James or Jimmy Lamar Tidwell,
Jr.
Jimmy was an electrician who disappeared in Mount Enterprise, Texas on February 15th,
2012.
Now I know what you're thinking.
February 15th?
That's weird.
Wasn't he on the cruise during that time?
Because he didn't come back home until February 17th.
But two week cruise, he was docking in Louisiana and Mount Enterprise, Texas is on the east
side of Texas, he literally could have driven across the state border and then back within
a few hours.
Yeah, for sure.
This doesn't make any sense.
So then I reread it and was like, oh shit.
Did he drive home or did he fly?
I'm not sure.
But maybe-
If you drove home, then he could just swing through there.
That's true.
But if he got back on the 14th, like we said, it wouldn't take him two days to drive, although
I didn't ask, it would take him longer.
Maybe.
Yeah, it depends.
I don't know.
But I think he would have just maybe gone to Texas and then back to Louisiana and then
flown home from there.
Yeah.
Either way, Jimmy had just finished a night shift and was last seen around 5.30 a.m.
During a bank robbery that took place the following day, February 16th, 2012, the perpetrator,
believed to be Israel, was wearing a hat that resembled the one that Jimmy was last seen
in.
Ooh.
The hair of the perpetrator also looked very similar to Jimmy's.
And when questioned about this crime later, Israel stated that the wig he wore was in
fact human hair.
When asked where he bought the real human hair to use as a wig, Israel stated, quote,
you don't have to buy real hair to get real hair.
Any quotes?
Oh my God.
Full bodied he-
That is so not funny.
That's fucking gross.
I just couldn't say it like seriously because that's such a bizarre fucking quote.
It is.
Yeah, you're laughing at the ridiculousness of it.
Like what?
That's horrible.
He just scouts this man.
It seems like it.
I mean, it's ruthless enough that it's hard to believe.
So if it looked like real, you know what I'm saying?
Like he's just that far removed.
He's that heinous.
But he's like, oh, I could just put a human bodysuit on and go commit pink robberies and
nobody's going to know that it's me.
That's what I'm saying.
He has no sense of empathy or remorse or how he affects anybody else or like what he does,
like how grotesque it is.
Furthering the idea that Israel was a crazy serial killer rather than a man who just killed
on two separate occasions or the things that came up in the search of his house.
So we're going back to one after he was arrested.
Dozens of books about murders, both fiction and nonfiction, were found at Israel's home
in the search.
He was also known as closely studying specific serial killers like Ted Bundy, and he felt
that he shared many similarities with Ted of the West.
Oh my God, sweaty teddy.
It is thought that Israel attempted to escape court to copy Ted's actions after his arrest
because he also tried to escape.
However, Israel was very concerned about being seen as a copycat, which is another reason
he didn't want to be in the media.
Okay.
I don't want them to think that I'm like them.
I'm trying to copy anybody.
He's one of those guys that likes one of those obscure band t-shirts that you wouldn't
know is that band unless you know the band.
Yeah, exactly.
You know what I mean?
He's like, I want to emulate Ted Bundy, but I don't want to be like Ted Bundy.
I don't want anyone to know that I'm trying to be like him.
Additionally, Israel referred to Dennis Rader, aka BTK, as a quote, wimp, for apologizing
in court and showing remorse for his crimes.
I mean, I agree with that.
But he expressed admiration for other serial killers quote that haven't been caught end
quote.
He's like, oh, I like those guys.
Like those guys are cool.
Israel was asked about fellow Alaskan serial killer Robert Hansen while being interviewed
as well.
And he would respond, quote, yeah, I know all about him.
I probably know every single serial killer that's ever been written about.
It's kind of a hobby of mine.
End quote.
I mean, same.
Scarlett Jenkinson.
Same, but I don't kill people, you know?
Yeah, we do it for, you know.
For this.
A few months after Israel was arrested, the 2012 Aurora Colorado shooting perpetrated
by James Holmes took place.
Authorities would casually inform Israel about the shooting to achieve respond by asking
about the status of James and expressed interest in getting to know more about him.
I mean, I think we would all like to know more about James Holmes only because James
Holmes has probably one of the most lengthy mental illness, I guess.
Records.
Yeah, whatever you want to call it, like that he is so far removed from reality.
We've got to do a case on him.
I actually had friends that weren't, well, they were living in Denver and they almost
went to the Aurora Theater that night.
I can't even imagine.
I can't.
I call them next day.
Although Israel was extremely infatuated with other serial killers, he would not once refer
to himself as a serial killer.
In the very beginning, he said, here's how I was planning on becoming the most meticulous
serial killer.
But during interviews, he would not ever say like, I'm a serial killer because he killed
three people, but it was only in two separate crime scenes.
Technically he isn't a serial killer unless all of these other crimes that we think are
true are true.
Yeah.
Then he is.
In my mind, him saying I'm a serial killer would be essentially confessing to those 11
crimes that they think he might have done.
That's true.
Yeah.
Following Israel's death and years later, authorities would review unsolved murder and
missing persons cases to try to determine which, if any, Israel could have been responsible
for.
In 2012, authorities identified another possible victim known only as Lewis County Jane Doe.
Her body was found in the Peterman Hill area in Morton, Washington on April 7th, 2011 by
a passing motorist.
In 2022, Lewis County Jane Doe was officially identified, but her name was not released
to the public.
This is in 2022, so 10 years later, but I'm going back to 2012.
So additionally, in late 2012, a confession by Israel about a murder committed in New
York state was determined as credible, although authorities had not determined any details
of the crime.
I don't know about that one.
Yeah, it's incredible.
That's just what I read.
It was like, yeah, just lastly, there's another murder.
We've decided it's credible.
I don't know if they just didn't reveal any details or they just didn't have many details.
I'm not sure.
Or if certain things just lined up, they didn't have any actual evidence.
It's circumstantial.
So it was never truly determined why Israel did the things that he did, and his MO was
never really established as well.
Like I said earlier, he's seen as an anomaly of sorts because we usually see at least a
pattern in the way that other serial killers kill, but he made it his MO to not have an
MO.
You know?
US Attorney Tristam Coffin was known as saying about this following Israel's death, quote,
he provided some motivation, but I don't think it's really possible to pigeonhole why
he did this.
He described to investigators that this was a volititional act of his.
It was something that he could control and he liked to do it.
Why someone acts like that?
Nobody knows.
Yeah, he's not like other girls.
Yeah.
I said volititional, I think it's volitional.
He's not like other girls.
He's a cool killer.
He's not like that.
Yeah, he's a guy's girl.
Oh my God.
Well, that's his real keys.
I have just a little bit about his mental health, but that's the whole story.
It was a hard one to research because again, he only has like two or three confirmed murders
and then all of this other suspected shit.
But when it comes to the mental health status of Israel, I referred to a video created by
one Dr. Todd Grande.
Dr. Grande states that Israel was evaluated while in custody and appeared to have many
mental illness characteristics.
These include antisocial personality disorder, substance use disorder, and a well above average
IQ.
According to Dr. Grande, Israel also showed characteristics of both primary and secondary
psychopathy.
Didn't realize there was a difference, which I thought was interesting.
So primary psychopathy is characterized by callousness, manipulation, and superficial
charm while we all know that that's him.
And Bundy.
Yeah, but secondary psychopathy is associated with impulsivity, lack of long term goals,
and hostile behavior, which is also kind of him.
And I don't, maybe the hostile behavior as far as Bundy goes, but I think Bundy had a
lot of longevity in his life.
He had planned to be a lawyer, like all these things.
So that's interesting that he, I don't think he would fall into that second.
Yeah, I don't think so either.
But Israel, again, an anomaly, he falls into both because he is catalyst.
He is very manipulative.
He has this superficial charm, but he also didn't think he was going to be alive for
much longer if he kept committing crimes.
He didn't plan on getting caught alive.
He has hostile behavior.
Like he's trying, he's withholding information.
He's crossing his arms and saying, fuck you.
You know, like impulsivity, like he said he didn't want to do, yeah, trying to escape,
said he was never going to commit a crime close to home and then did because he saw
an opportunity, you know.
Yeah.
Oh, I got goosebumps.
Opportunistic for sure.
And then lastly, Israel had a lack of remorse and just didn't ever take full responsibility
for his actions.
I just honestly, in my scientific mind, I just wish that he was still around so we could
study his brain more because of how unique he was.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
But yeah, that's Israel keys.
Wild.
I know.
I've been wanting to do that one for a while.
Yeah.
I finally sat down and did it.
If this is your regular weekly case, I'm excited to hear your Patreon because this is, this
is pretty, this is pretty gruesome.
Pretty gnarly case.
I mean, sewing someone's eyeballs open.
Oh, no, I know.
Don't remind me.
I already pushed it out of my head.
Well, that is it.
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So we're going to have a lot of that and we're going to be wearing all of our merch too.
If there's anything that you guys see while you're there or before you go that you want
to order, just go ahead and DMS or email us and we can, if you see anything there, that's
not your size.
I mean, let us know.
But if you want something beforehand, go ahead and email us and let us know as well.
Yeah.
The way you can rep.
Yes.
Is there anything else?
I think that's it.
Okay.
Well, we will see you guys soon.
Patreon numbers be really excited for that new case coming out in the next couple days.
Yep.
All right.
Bye.
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