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Hello! Hello!

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Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer.

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I'm tired of being sweaty and hot.

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My name is Ka'el.

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And I'm Kanna. And I also have a raging cold sword.

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It hurts when I smile. Ow!

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Good thing it's not my case.

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I won't be smiling.

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We don't have air conditioning at my store right now.

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And it is hot. Hot, hot, hot.

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I haven't told you this yet.

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But today I was at work and our air conditioning went out

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and they sent everyone home within 30 minutes.

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And you've been working with that AC flex.

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Months.

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I went home early today because they see you.

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You bitch.

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They've changed our hours which is fine.

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I felt guilty though. I was like, it wasn't even that hot.

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I was like, I'm fine.

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I was telling Kanna that with how hot it is, it's so hard to think.

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And so I was trying to write a little bit on my break.

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And nothing was coming to me.

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I was just staring blankly into my phone because it's just oppressive.

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It's pretty wicked hot down here.

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I think it's funny just based on location because in Michigan

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they don't have air conditioner in a lot of places.

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They just have heaters.

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Same thing in Europe.

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Their heaters are so nice too because they don't get...

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It's really annoying turning on the heater for the first time

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in the winter months because it smells like sulfur.

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It smells like dust.

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It smells like burnt dust but it's just dry heat here.

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But for some reason in Michigan it just feels toasty.

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It feels nice.

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It's cozy.

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It's cozy.

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I think they just have a different heating thing maybe.

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Maybe so.

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I don't know.

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Speaking of free goodies, we are less than a month out from the True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival.

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That is in Denver, Colorado from the 12th through the 14th.

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It's my birthday weekend.

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Come out and hang out with us and come see us at a...

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What's the beer?

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Butte Scratcha.

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What's the...

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It's a family guy bit, but instead of cold beer, he's in the stands like, butte Scratchas.

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Butte Scratchas.

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Selling butte Scratchas.

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I like cold beer.

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Anyway, come see us at the festival.

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You guys have a few weeks to get your tickets and we are so excited to see everyone.

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Not a stressful topic at all.

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Anything else?

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I don't think so.

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I think we're good.

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Yeah, for sure.

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All right, I'm excited to see what you have.

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Are you ready?

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Yes.

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I hope it's not the person that I've been researching for the last hour.

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Is it a lady?

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Well then we're good.

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Do you have a lady?

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Have you been watching the Jinx season 2?

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I watched all of it.

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I binged it and it's so good.

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I haven't even gotten through the first one.

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Rest in distress.

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Yeah, I'll have to finish it at some point.

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Today we're going to be talking about Andrea Yates.

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I honestly don't know the story.

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I just know like the name.

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I've probably heard the story, but it's been a while, so I'm excited to get your take on it.

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It's pretty interesting, so we're going to get into it.

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longer for each other.

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By the time you hear this or this portion or whatever, there's going to be a content

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warning just recorded later and then input in here so that Canada doesn't know anything

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about the story, it makes for a way better genuine reaction for sure.

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Content warning, this episode contains topics of religion, postpartum depression, major

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depressive disorder, self harm, suicidal thoughts, suicide attempts, and ultimately child murder.

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If this episode is not for you, we encourage you to find another one of our episodes.

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Remember that your mental health comes first and we love you.

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Love you.

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Andrea Pia Kennedy was born at July 2, 1964 to parents Judah Kohler, who immigrated from

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Germany, and Andrew Kennedy, who was a first generation American, Irish American.

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Andrea was born in Houston, Texas, and by the time Andrea came along, she had already had

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four older siblings, Patrick, Michelle, Brian, and Andrew, Junior.

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Andrea's home life was pretty unremarkable.

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The family was raised Roman Catholic in a traditional home setting.

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However, Andrea began showing signs of mental struggles at an early age.

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She started struggling with her body image, which developed into an eating disorder by

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her adolescence, and she was often depressed.

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It is not clear whether Andrea intentionally self harmed.

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However, by age 17, she was telling high school friends that she had often dealt with suicidal

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thoughts.

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Andrea attended Millby High School in East Houston, and by all accounts, she appeared to

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be very successful in most anything she tackled academically.

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She was the captain of the swim team and was an officer in the National Honor Society.

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Andrea would even finish school as valedictorian of her graduating class.

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After high school, Andrea set her sights on college.

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She enrolled in a two-year nursing program at the University of Houston and would eventually

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transfer to the University of Texas Health Science Center in Houston.

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She graduated with a BSN in 1986.

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Immediately, she began working as an RN or a registered nurse at the University of Texas

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MD Anderson Cancer Center.

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With all of her focus solely on schooling and working, Andrea never left much time for dating

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or romantic interests.

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For Andrea, she almost seemed to flourish solo.

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However, with her life mostly stable, she opted to explore the dating world.

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She had a man at age 23, and the two seemed to mesh well, however, this romance was short-lived.

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And unfortunately, Andrea would take the breakup extremely hard.

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She spiraled into a deep depression, and once again, Andrea told others that she was struggling

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with suicidal thoughts.

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Andrea would not seek professional help, but she did try to pick herself up on her own.

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Do we know how successful that is?

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Andrea was living in an apartment complex on the southeast side of Houston in 1989, where

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she would often swim in the community pool.

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One day, while Andrea was lounging and swimming at the pool, she would meet a man who would

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change the course of her life forever.

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Dun dun dun.

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Boop boop boop.

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A young man by the name of Rusty approached Andrea and struck up a conversation when he

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realized that she was a good swimmer.

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You're a real good swimmer.

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Yeah, you.

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What the marms do.

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Rusty would later say that Andrea loved water, and that she looked more graceful in it than

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Russell Rusty Yates was one of five children who grew up in the suburbs of Nashville, Tennessee,

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and the family was raised in a traditionally religious household.

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Not sure if it was evangelistic or evangelism, Catholicism, or Methodist.

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I saw very differing things, but the point is that he was raised very religiously.

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first, so just let me do it.

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Evangelism, I mean, maybe.

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It's just evangelism, right?

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Evangelism.

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Vandalism.

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Vandalism.

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Vandalism.

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He got really into vandalism.

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Yeah, that was his religion.

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Just a total 180.

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He became a high school football star, and when Rusty was granted an athletic scholarship,

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he opted to move to Alabama, attending Auburn University.

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focus on a Bachelor's of Applied Science.

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While walking through the campus one day, Rusty met a man by the name of Michael Warnecke.

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Michael Warnecke, nicknamed Mike War, is a very outspoken religious missionary who would

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often go to college campuses screaming through a megaphone that students were damned and

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going to hell unless they repent and all that good stuff, right?

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We've all seen him.

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We've seen him.

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I like that lady with the margaritas.

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She's like, one margarita, she's gonna want to kiss you, and all the frat boys are like,

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Oh my god.

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Two margaritas, she might even take her top off, and they're like, yeah!

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It's so funny.

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Three margaritas, and she's like, yeah!

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Like it just keeps going.

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That's so good.

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Oh, it's so funny.

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That's a good one.

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I don't remember if that was Vine, TikTok, or like, I don't know.

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So within the week, Rusty had gotten some pamphlets from this guy, Michael, and Rusty

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was emailing Michael, and the two kind of began a back and forth about religion, and

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Michael would eventually take Rusty kind of under his wing, almost like he was his

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mentor.

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Great, great stuff.

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Michael said about meeting Rusty for the first time, quote, I was preaching on the campus,

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he was a typical college kid, had good grades.

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It was kind of cool because there was like this understanding between us that there

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was hypocrisy and religion.

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That was the foundation for our relationship, end quote.

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Rusty would graduate in 1987, and before too long he sets his sights on Houston, Texas,

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home of NASA.

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Rusty would apply to be and be hired as a senior systems engineer, making about $80,000

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a year, which is the equivalent of because this was the 80s, and it's been long enough

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that there is actually a conversion.

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It's about $200,000 a year.

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Damn, that's really good.

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Starting, not starting, but I guess like first year of college.

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It's really good.

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How many pounds sterling is that, you ask?

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It is 156,414 pounds.

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That's a lot.

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All this time he was consistently contacting Michael Warnecke.

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Being a Christian man and by the suggestion of Michael, Rusty quickly found a local church

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and even began volunteering regularly, really entrenching himself into this congregation.

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Rusty was pretty much an established young man.

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He had almost everything he could want besides a partner to share it with.

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The lonely man.

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He's just so nice.

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He meets the moidera.

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All this to give some wonderful woman.

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He's just a nice guy.

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Why do you think he's nice?

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Why do you think he's nice?

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I don't understand.

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He's just what the assholes.

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They just want the assholes.

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The only one.

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Whoa.

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Just turning the, turning the Elliot Roger real quick.

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By the time Rusty met Andrea, he believed that this was destiny.

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He has everything any woman could ever want.

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And she can swim.

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And she can swim.

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Like a mermaid.

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It's awesome.

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The two had hit it off and when Rusty told Michael of his new relationship, Michael told

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Rusty to be cautious and not to jump into marriage right away.

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Little girls, the devil.

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They did.

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Did you hear that Claire?

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She's so really loud.

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Well, I can't cut that out because I said that really funny joke.

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What?

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That really funny, that joke, that line from that movie.

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Oh, you won't get sued.

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Everybody quotes that.

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Little girls, such a devil.

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So Michael had very strong beliefs about the partnership between Rusty and Andrea.

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He pretty much preached that essentially all women inherit the sins of Eve when all men

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inherit Adam's good nature.

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So all women are sinful because that's what they got from Eve.

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But Adam is inherently good.

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He's just a good guy.

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He's a nice guy.

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That's why he married the mom of all the demons.

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And what?

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Adam, his first wife was Lilith.

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Oh.

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Well, I'm watching Lucifer right now, so that's what they say.

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Clearly Adam is good natured.

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Maybe he's not the smartest chip on the block.

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Oh no.

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I don't know him from Adam, so I can't really say it.

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I don't know him from Adam.

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Rusty to be...

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I like that laugh.

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Rusty to began to believe in this and as his mentor, Michael's word was taken as gold to

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not marry too quickly.

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So he can like fuck around with her, but he just can't marry her?

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What's the difference?

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I know.

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Obviously the difference is the piece of paper, but like if she's sin, like sin and concentrate.

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You know what I mean?

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Like why is he interacting with her at all?

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Incarnate is what you meant?

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Yes.

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Well concentrate still makes sense.

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I think what Michael is saying that all women are born with a sin, right?

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It's the sin of being a woman.

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Yeah.

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But I'm just saying why wouldn't he be like don't interact with women at all?

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Instead of just like, oh you can do whatever you want, just don't marry her.

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Well you can't.

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I mean you can't be gay either, so I don't really know what to do.

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So a bit.

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You're not allowed to be gay and you're not...

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You have to be with a woman that is absolutely sinful and so it's like essentially your duty

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as Adam of the relationship is to like help her not be sinful.

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Oh okay, I got it.

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It's kind of what, yeah.

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So it's like somehow that makes sense as a perfect match.

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You know?

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It's just, I don't freaking know.

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Jargon.

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Rusty maintained the relationship with Andrea for four years before they did eventually

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get married.

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It was very clear from the beginning of their marriage that Rusty did not want his wife

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to use any type of contraceptives.

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And said that it is his intention to have quote, except as many children as God sent

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their way, end quote.

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The relationship seemed to do well, but the only real struggle that the couple seemed

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to deal with was communication.

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Rusty and Andrea would get frustrated with each other just like all young couples, but

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Rusty would almost always be met with a very reserved and quiet Andrea when it came to

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confrontation.

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She essentially just avoided it at all costs.

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Just a few short months after getting hitched, the couple welcomed their first child, Noah.

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Aptly named.

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Oh yeah, they're all religious.

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With the welcoming of their first child, it seemed it was the end of Andrea's working

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career.

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It was Rusty's view that the perfect family that God intended involved the wife and mother

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to be raising the children at home while the man worked.

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So Andrea, of course, quit her job.

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Andrea was excited to become a new mother.

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She loved little Noah and was always seen smiling with him in her arms.

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However, Andrea shortly after Noah's birth would have very intense dreams and often had

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images flash across her mind of a stabbing situation, often with her holding a knife.

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I was going to ask how old are they?

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They're like mid-20s at this point?

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Yeah, I think when they met, well, her first-year relationship was 23.

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I think she met Rusty the following year, so 24.

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And then, well, I guess she would have been 28 then at this point because they'd been

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married for four years and quickly had Noah.

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Andrea would say that these dreams scared her, but that she never really felt out of

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control in the dreams.

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She felt like she had total control of who she was and what she was doing, like lucid

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dreams, right?

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She felt that maybe she was dealing with some postpartum weepies, more commonly referred

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to as baby blues, which is a normal reaction to hormone levels fluctuating after birth.

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And after a while, Andrea did begin to feel better with time.

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Within a year of Noah's birth, Andrea found out that they would be having another child,

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John, two kids in two years, and Andrea began to feel somewhat overwhelmed.

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She had the help of her mother and her mother-in-law, thankfully, but a short time after John was

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born, Rusty was offered a position in Miami.

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Taking this opportunity, Rusty packed up the family and moved the four into a travel home,

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which was essentially an old Greyhound bus that they had refurbished or something.

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Okay.

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Fine, fine, right, but you also have two little children.

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Two under two.

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Yeah, two under two.

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This job only lasted for six months.

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Oh my God.

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And then the family would return to outside of Houston area into a mobile home.

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So, still kind of a small living situation.

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Well, with all these kids he wants to have, what is he going to do?

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Yeah, for sure.

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They'll just rent a bus like the Partridge family.

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Yeah.

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I mean, right?

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That worked for them.

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The magic school bus.

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The magic school bus full of children.

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Soon, Andrea would become pregnant again with their third child, Paul.

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During this time, Rusty began to see somewhat of a change in Andrea, his wife, needing to

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confide in his friend and mentor Michael.

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Rusty then reached out saying that his wife seemed not to be enjoying their life together

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anymore and that she seemed off.

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Well, she's having babies left and right.

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She's probably not having any time to have her hormones back in balance.

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She gave up her job.

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Yeah.

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To be your baby factory.

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Yeah, seriously.

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God.

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Michael would offer to reach out to Andrea to speak with her directly, which Rusty agreed.

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He's like, sure, here's my wife's number.

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Go for it.

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I think it was email, but either way.

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Although he was just as harsh on her as he would be on anyone on a college campus, saying

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things like, quote, God knows how wicked you are.

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You must accept the reality that your life is under the curse of sin and death.

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You are the daughter of Eve, end quote.

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Oh, great.

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00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,760
Yeah, that's really an enticing way that she's going to want to respond.

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Quote, you must become a daughter of the most high, end quote.

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The fuck does that even mean?

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I guess a daughter of God instead of a daughter of Eve.

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Yeah.

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Which is like, God made Eve.

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So I don't understand.

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Stupid.

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I won't get into it.

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Mumbo jumbo.

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Michael had even said on many occasions that Rusty and Andrea's children were already

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destined for hell as their parents, being Rusty and Andrea, are full of sin.

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In order to save their children, they must do more, dedicate more of themselves to God,

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and essentially do everything asked of him being God.

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Michael also preached and Rusty repeated several times to Andrea that after the age of 14 or

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15, the hopes that your child will go to heaven are over.

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This is why it's so important to keep your life as parents sin free and for the women

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to stay home to watch the children so that there are no other influences on the child.

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Just by 14 or 15, they are exposed to the world more, and if they don't have a strong

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sense of self or what to watch out for, they will go to hell regardless.

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So you only have until they're 14 or 15 years old to prep them or train them or what do

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we want to say for them to be protected by the outside world.

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I feel like this could very easily turn into like a, yeah, don't let your kids get full

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of sin, just go ahead and kill them when they're 14.

431
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Right.

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Like, that's all the life they're allowed to live.

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So stay the fuck out of my life, Michael.

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Like, who the fuck are you?

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00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,040
Well, Rusty's like clearly doesn't have a brain for himself.

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So he's like, oh, Michael, tell me what to do, Michael.

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Oh, wasn't the archangel Michael?

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Yeah.

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When Lucifer like rebelled against God, Michael was like, he like essentially stood with his

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arms crossed and was like, I'm back in God.

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Well, there we go.

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Yeah.

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See, they don't like each other.

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They don't like each other.

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So yeah, one could imagine that this is a great environment for someone who's dealing with

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mental health issues, right?

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To top all of this pressure off, Andrea's father was actually diagnosed with Alzheimer's

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and she would often take the kiddos over to her parents' place to help her on the house

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as well.

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So not only is she taking care of three of her kids, she's taking the kids over to her

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parents' place so that she can help her mother and stuff like that as well.

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So.

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So she's probably tasked with taking care of Rusty as well.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I was going to say homeboy, but I forgot to say it when I came to meet Rusty.

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Sometimes Andrea was just thankful to just have another adult around to help with her

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babies.

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Rusty often worked long hours and late hours or would go out of town for work.

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So Andrea was always coaching and growing the children on her own.

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She would help them reach milestones, educate the babies from home.

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She never hired a nanny, a babysitter, or enrolled them in any type of childcare.

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It was paramount in Andrea and Rusty's minds that she, the mother, is the only one educating

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and where the caring came from.

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Which is funny because they're saying that she's full of sin, so why wouldn't she teach

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if that's true?

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Why wouldn't they think that, oh, she's going to teach her children a sin?

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You're full of sin, but we're going to trust you to teach these children to not be full

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of sin.

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I don't know if that's necessarily what they mean.

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I think they're saying you're born into sin and therefore essentially you pay for it your

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whole life by repenting.

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I think that maybe Andrea took it like that, like I'm full of sin, but I don't think that

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that was the intention behind what they were telling her.

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Well, gotta be more clear sometimes, guys, because people don't know what you mean.

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Because shit like this happens.

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Furthermore, the couples stopped attending their local church and instead opted to host

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Bible study at their own home three days a week, which is more pressure.

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Gotta keep the house clean because everybody's coming over.

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That's just ugh.

480
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,800
Then you have to host all these people.

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He's like, Andrea, while you're at it honey, can you whip up dinner for 50?

482
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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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Oh yes, the Johnson's are coming over and their entire family.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You also need to be baking four cakes.

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In February 1999, the couple would have their fourth child, Luke.

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All seemed normal the first few months after Luke's birth.

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However, by June, Rusty would come home from work and find his wife Andrea cowering in the

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corner of the living room.

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She was in a catatonic-like state.

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She had chewed her fingernails down to the bone and she was uncontrollably shaking.

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Andrea looked up at Rusty and only said, quote, I need help.

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Oh, that's horrible.

495
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He's.

496
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,440
Wait, do they have four boys?

497
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They have four boys.

498
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,440
Oh gosh.

499
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,160
That's not that, not that have four boys, but that's horrible what she's going through.

500
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,000
Rusty however did not take Andrea to the hospital that evening since he was home.

501
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,080
He thought everything would be okay for a night.

502
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,080
Just pray it away.

503
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,080
Just pray it away.

504
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,480
Let's shake it off.

505
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:10,680
Instead, the next morning he drove the family over to Andrea's parents' house where he

506
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,080
left her and the kids in order to go to work.

507
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,200
She'll help talk some sense into her daughter.

508
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,200
Yeah.

509
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,400
She'll be fine and maybe she just needs to get out of the house.

510
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:27,920
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Later in the day while the kids and her parents were sleeping, Andrea ingested 40 Trazodon

523
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,360
pills in an effort to overdose.

524
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:14,360
40?

525
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:16,920
40 pills.

526
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,320
Andrea was found by her mother who then rushed her to the hospital in an effort to save her

527
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,440
life.

528
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,440
Andrea would survive this first suicide attempt.

529
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:32,140
Once Andrea was stabilized, she was transferred to a psychiatric hospital for evaluation.

530
00:26:32,140 --> 00:26:36,680
Her doctor diagnosed her with a major depressive disorder, which is something that runs in Andrea's

531
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,680
family.

532
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:38,680
Weird.

533
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:39,680
Wild, right?

534
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,880
I'll fucking say.

535
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:47,440
Andrea believed that this was impossible because in her words, she quote, never cried.

536
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,440
And quote.

537
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,440
Whoa.

538
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,240
And therefore was not depressed.

539
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,240
What a thought.

540
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,240
Oh my gosh.

541
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,720
She's like, well, I don't cry.

542
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,360
Ooh, that gives me chills.

543
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:57,360
Right?

544
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:01,160
That's, ah, this is why we educate people because that's not a thing.

545
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,160
Like, does it matter?

546
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,160
You're depressed.

547
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,160
Yeah.

548
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,360
Like, oh my gosh, that's interesting that she thought that though.

549
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:07,360
Well, yeah.

550
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,440
I couldn't be depressed because I don't cry.

551
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,360
Well, if you're not, everybody handles emotion differently.

552
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:20,880
I just feel like if you feel like you're someone who never cries, what have you been

553
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,280
taught somewhere in your life that you can't feel that emotion?

554
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,280
Yeah.

555
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:31,360
But also like, if you think about the word depressed, depressed does not mean sad.

556
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:33,520
Depressed means lacking there.

557
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,720
Like, you know, it's small.

558
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,800
Like it's squeezed in a little tiny ball.

559
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:37,800
Yeah.

560
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:38,800
That doesn't mean.

561
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,440
Like, if you feel like that would be a little bit different.

562
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,680
I would never, I'm not crying.

563
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,680
That's sad or whatever.

564
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,680
Right.

565
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,480
Depressed means defeated or like, you know, deflated.

566
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,480
Yeah.

567
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,480
Pushed down.

568
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,480
Yeah.

569
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,480
It's just really interesting.

570
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,480
Yeah.

571
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,480
Yeah.

572
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,480
It was also.

573
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,480
Yeah.

574
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,480
Yeah.

575
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,480
So interesting.

576
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,480
Wow.

577
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,480
She never cries.

578
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,480
This is what we do.

579
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,680
Because big girls don't cry.

580
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:08,120
It was also determined by Andrea's doctor that given Andrea's state, there would likely

581
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:11,120
have been plenty of warning signs pre-catatonia.

582
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:12,120
Weird.

583
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:15,520
So he was like, this isn't something that just happens.

584
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,520
Yeah.

585
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,240
This is someone who has been dealing with stuff for a long time.

586
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,040
And this is the result of it.

587
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,040
Yes.

588
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,080
Well, how would Russ, you know, he's always at work and she's at home by herself with

589
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,360
children that probably can't recognize those things.

590
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:29,360
Yeah, of course.

591
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:30,360
She's, yeah.

592
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:31,360
And he doesn't care.

593
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:33,240
Her sole role is to be a good mother.

594
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:38,000
And when she finally got enough and asked for help, he's like, let me find her.

595
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,000
Yeah.

596
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,520
Go spend some time with your mom.

597
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,880
The doctor had determined that her condition was one that was continued, that had continued

598
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,680
to worsen due to lack of care.

599
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:47,680
Yeah.

600
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:48,680
It's like an infection, right?

601
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:49,680
Absolutely.

602
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,800
And again, no chance for her hormones to get rebalanced.

603
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,880
She's having child after child.

604
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,280
That's got to be so tough on your brain.

605
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,960
During her evaluation, Andrea was very remorseful for trying to take her own life.

606
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,720
She had told the nurse several times that she loved her family very much.

607
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,680
And she also expressed her concern multiple times of whether or not she could still breast

608
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,280
feed with the medication that she took.

609
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,280
Oh, wow.

610
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,600
She was like, well, I took all this medication, but I still need to feed my child.

611
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,600
That is what's in her head.

612
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:20,600
You know?

613
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:26,480
Yeah, that sounds like it was almost like a dissociative state, so defeated.

614
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,040
I'm just going to take all these pills, not even thinking about anything else.

615
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,160
And then when she comes to, she's like, oh, fuck, what did I do?

616
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,160
I have a family to feed.

617
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,600
Like, who's going to take care of my children?

618
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,600
Because obviously they're daddisoned.

619
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,600
Right.

620
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,600
Well, I don't know if she thought that far, but she definitely was concerned, like, how

621
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,240
soon can I breastfeed with all this in my system?

622
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,600
Always thinking of everyone else.

623
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,000
Yes.

624
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,960
So she very clearly cared for her children.

625
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,160
Andrea would stay in the hospital for a few days, but Andrea never seemed to want to participate

626
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,000
in group therapy.

627
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,240
She would often retreat to her room or make excuses as to why she wouldn't want to go.

628
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:11,280
She often told doctors and nurses about what was going on through her mind during her suicide

629
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,880
attempt.

630
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,360
She would say things like, quote, I don't know, or I can't remember, end quote.

631
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:18,360
Again, it's dissociative.

632
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,600
I mean, she's already catatonic.

633
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,640
Who knows how long she was catatonic before that happened?

634
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,320
And you know, that's completely dissociating from your environment.

635
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,320
Right.

636
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,360
And also said, quote, I guess I'm just overwhelmed and depressed, end quote.

637
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:39,440
Like, I guess I'm overwhelmed and depressed, which sounds to me like she's saying that

638
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,240
because someone told her that.

639
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,240
Yeah.

640
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,000
A doctor said, are you overwhelmed?

641
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,280
You must be overwhelmed.

642
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,880
How overwhelmed you must be.

643
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:47,880
Depressed, depressed.

644
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,480
You may be just depressive.

645
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,160
So I guess I'm overwhelmed and depressed.

646
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,160
Right.

647
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,160
It's like she doesn't know how, like she's not explaining why she's feeling that way

648
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,720
or how she came to that conclusion.

649
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,000
It's just like, I guess.

650
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:04,160
I mean, it makes, if I'm trying to take my own life, I must be depressed, you know, or

651
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,160
whatever.

652
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,160
I must be overwhelmed.

653
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,160
Yeah.

654
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,800
She's, but it's not her having those feelings.

655
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:10,800
Yeah.

656
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,280
Her saying like I feel worthless or whatever.

657
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,280
Yeah.

658
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:19,000
Unfortunately, due to her insurance, she was only allowed to stay for about four to five

659
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,760
days, which was under the amount of days recommended by her doctor for treatment.

660
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:30,560
Ultimately, the psychiatrist would prescribe Andrea with an antidepressant and Rusty himself

661
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,960
discharged his wife from the hospital claiming that he would look after Andrea.

662
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,880
And when he wasn't there, he would ensure either his parents or her parents would be

663
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,880
there.

664
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,280
Because they were like literally don't leave her alone.

665
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,280
Yeah.

666
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,280
You can't.

667
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,280
Like very serious.

668
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,280
Yes.

669
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,920
The doctor warned Rusty that Andrea's mental illness isn't something that goes away.

670
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,640
The antidepressants are there to help stabilize her, but the doctor recommended not having

671
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:04,440
any more children as this is seemingly why Andrea's triggers pop up and essentially send

672
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,480
her into a spiral.

673
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,920
Every time she has a child.

674
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:08,920
Yes, essentially.

675
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,040
It's, I mean, it's like you said, it's fluctuation all the time.

676
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,520
There's no stabilizing.

677
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,520
And not for nothing.

678
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,880
But when you're trying to get those type of medications stabilized, it's not really safe

679
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,600
to try to have a child at the same time.

680
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,600
Because again, all the emotions and hormones and everything, it's going to imbalance everything

681
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,200
and it's going to take at the very minimum six months for that medication to stabilize.

682
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,160
I agree.

683
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,120
Andrea was released from the hospital and into the care of her husband.

684
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,360
Once home, Andrea would continue medication for some time, but after a while, she began

685
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,080
complaining about having to take it.

686
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:50,960
She believed that the drugs that she was taking were some type of truth serum, which is interesting

687
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,200
to me because I don't think that she would claim that unless she wasn't taking her medication.

688
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:01,880
Because I feel like the medication was there to help regulate those thoughts and feelings.

689
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,480
In combination with her skipping medication on occasion, she believed it more and more,

690
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,320
which also contributes to it.

691
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,320
Of course.

692
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,320
Sounds like she kind of started skipping it than the spot and turned her head.

693
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,320
So she started taking it less.

694
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,320
And she's like, shit, I gotta stop taking that.

695
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,320
Yeah.

696
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:22,000
And I think Andrea had stopped taking her medication altogether and perhaps worse than

697
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,480
that, Rusty and Andrea found out that Andrea was pregnant again just seven weeks after

698
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,480
her release.

699
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,480
Oh my God.

700
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,640
Rusty, keep it in your fucking pants, dude.

701
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,880
You can't.

702
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,040
It's what the load wants.

703
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,040
Oh my God.

704
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,040
That's horrible.

705
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:44,160
It's just, it's a doctor specifically told you not to have any children, at least for

706
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,160
a little bit.

707
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,160
Yeah.

708
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,240
It's fucking your- A month later.

709
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,680
A month and a half later.

710
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,180
That's crazy.

711
00:33:54,180 --> 00:33:59,760
This time they were expecting a girl, a baby girl named Mary.

712
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,560
Mary was born in November of 2000.

713
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:09,560
And in early 2001, Andrea's father was placed in a hospice facility.

714
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,640
One would assume that maybe this would lend some type of relief to Andrea now that she

715
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,440
wouldn't have to check on him as regularly.

716
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:22,920
But Andrea instead opted to drive out to see her father with all five of her children regularly.

717
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,040
And I think it was a bit of a drive.

718
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:29,520
I didn't specifically Google map it, but it seemed like it would be maybe like a 40-minute

719
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,520
drive.

720
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,280
Even if it's the next neighborhood over getting five children in the car.

721
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,280
In the car.

722
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,560
In the destination is probably difficult.

723
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,400
Especially to get all of their shoes, because like, if I had one kid and he would drop his

724
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,600
shoes all the time getting them into the car seat.

725
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:49,600
So this arrangement was short-lived as Andrea's father would pass away in about February or

726
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,160
March of 2001.

727
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:58,520
When Andrea's father passed away, Andrea herself drove to be there with her father.

728
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,560
But upon her arrival, seeing the sight of her father's lifeless body was too much for

729
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,560
her.

730
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,560
Yeah.

731
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,280
I was like, that's not a good idea.

732
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,320
Not when, yeah, not when she's dealing with so much.

733
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,640
When she returned home, she was never the same.

734
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,640
She laid in bed for hours, would huddle corners of the home, and basically was in shambles.

735
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,160
God, that's so horrible.

736
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,320
And her husband was just like, hey, what's for dinner?

737
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,320
Where's my sandwich?

738
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,320
Well, I'm serious.

739
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,320
Like, that sounds like what he's like.

740
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,320
The kids in bed?

741
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,320
Are they bathed?

742
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,320
You'll get over this.

743
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,040
You're so lazy.

744
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,800
She was so depressed that she actually stopped feeding her children.

745
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,240
She would pacify them or ignore the whines and cries.

746
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:45,360
She began picking at her skin.

747
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,200
She created bald spots in her hair from tugging and pulling at herself.

748
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,680
Andrea would scratch her legs and arms up with her nails constantly.

749
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,080
She herself could not eat or drink.

750
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,920
Andrea had also begun hearing voices, telling her to grab kitchen knives.

751
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,320
Oh my gosh, she's having a full psychotic break.

752
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,640
She came home one day after work to find Andrea in the bathroom holding a knife to her own

753
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,360
throat.

754
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,440
He was able to calm Andrea down and Rusty called Andrea's doctor to ask what to do.

755
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,320
Oh, is she taking her medication?

756
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,920
Oh, she's not taking her medication.

757
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:20,920
Oh, really?

758
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,920
Oh, she said that she didn't need her medication anymore?

759
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:24,920
That's weird.

760
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,800
And you also had another child in between this time.

761
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:27,800
Oh, okay.

762
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:28,800
Very interesting.

763
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:29,800
And now you need my help.

764
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,880
I'm not going to say I told you so, but that's fucked up.

765
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,800
It is.

766
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,960
The doctor said to get her to treatment immediately.

767
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:45,640
Andrea actually refused to leave the home and Rusty had to employ the help of her brother.

768
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:52,160
The two would then drag Andrea into the facility where she would refuse to sign admitted papers.

769
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,280
At that point, it shouldn't be, I feel like it shouldn't be an option.

770
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,640
Like she should be admitted involuntarily because she's clearly a danger to herself

771
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,760
and or other people.

772
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:01,760
Yes.

773
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:07,600
And actually, she would sign the paperwork after being threatened to be held under Texas

774
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,600
law.

775
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:09,600
Okay.

776
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:14,040
So essentially, like if they were, if she didn't sign the papers, I'm assuming, you

777
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,560
know, they would hold her for a certain amount of time.

778
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,080
But if she voluntarily checked herself in, she could probably voluntarily check herself

779
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,080
out.

780
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,080
Correct.

781
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,080
Yeah.

782
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,080
So that makes sense.

783
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,080
Yeah.

784
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,080
It's probably what she did.

785
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,440
Andrea was in treatment for 10 days before being released.

786
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,800
She was released once again into the care of her husband and both sets of parents were

787
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,040
aware that Andrea was not to be left alone with the children, both their parents.

788
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,520
To the care or lack thereof of Rusty.

789
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,240
On May 3rd, Andrea and her mother-in-law took the kids for a walk.

790
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:49,480
And when they arrived back to the house, Andrea began to fill up a bathtub.

791
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,040
It wasn't inherently odd.

792
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,560
However, when her mother-in-law asked what she was doing, Andrea said, quote, I might

793
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,560
need it.

794
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,120
Oh, I think I remember this.

795
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,680
With that, the mother-in-law let the tub drain.

796
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,960
She's like, okay, Andrea.

797
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,720
A few days later, Andrea was set to see her doctors for a follow-up visit.

798
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:15,680
Once the story of the bathtub was revealed, Andrea was then placed into treatment again

799
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,160
after doctors agreed that this was likely a sign that Andrea intended to harm herself

800
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,520
or someone else.

801
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,440
While in treatment, Rusty and the kids never visited Andrea, which was the first time that

802
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,480
she had gone to treatment completely alone.

803
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:30,480
Oh, that's horrible.

804
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,520
I mean, I know that's hard for the kids, but at least Rusty, like, come on.

805
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,520
Yeah.

806
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:36,520
You know?

807
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:37,520
He's gonna work.

808
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,520
It's a real world.

809
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,520
He's gonna work.

810
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,800
He crossed your eyes when he said work and it said like, to put it.

811
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,440
He's gonna go to work.

812
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,000
I have a job.

813
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,000
Hmm.

814
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,160
Yeah, let me pave all this money for this insurance that doesn't fucking do anything.

815
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:55,800
Andrea had begun eating and sleeping on her own about 12 days into treatment and Andrea

816
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:02,760
was released once again into the care of her husband, or lack thereof.

817
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:03,760
I repeat.

818
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,040
Yeah, I'm gonna keep saying that.

819
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:12,360
Over the course of one month, Andrea was to attend six outpatient meetings and continue

820
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,880
taking her medication.

821
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,520
She didn't show up for any of it.

822
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:25,520
By June, Andrea had not bathed, barely eaten, not slept, and refused to take her medication.

823
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:30,760
I'm sorry, but if I was the husband, well, if I'm a good person, he's not, but if I

824
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,200
was the partner and for some reason this person was released back into my care for

825
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,480
the third time instead of staying there, the second I noticed something was not okay,

826
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,320
I would bring her right the fuck back.

827
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,680
Like I'm sorry, but that is love, like bringing someone back when they need it, not letting

828
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,280
them not bathe for a fucking couple months or not eat.

829
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,160
You know, it's like, he's just like, oh, you're not eating tonight?

830
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,480
Okay, what's for dinner for me?

831
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,360
Like, it's like stupid.

832
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:03,440
No, I definitely read in a few articles, if not some of the court documents that Rusty

833
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:09,200
had said, well, yeah, like every time I would just tell them like, yeah, like now I know

834
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,200
better.

835
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,400
So like when she comes home with me, like, I'll be better, I'll be better at like recognizing

836
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,760
these signs.

837
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:16,760
Not seeing any effort.

838
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,280
No, he wanted this of that.

839
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,000
He wanted a zombie and he was fine with it.

840
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,000
That's gross.

841
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,240
When Rusty approached her doctor about all of these things that were happening, it was

842
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:38,720
suggested that Andrea participate in shock therapy and her medication switched to lithium.

843
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:41,040
And if that doesn't work, we'll just lobotomize her.

844
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,040
Yeah.

845
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,040
Well, horrible.

846
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,200
The thing that is frustrating about, I'm not trying to make jokes, I'm like actually really

847
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,200
irritated.

848
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:52,960
The thing that's frustrating is that if she had gotten the proper treatment from the beginning,

849
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,280
this wouldn't even be fucking happening.

850
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,280
No, it wouldn't.

851
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,280
You know what I mean?

852
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,600
Like if she was on a serious regimen and she had someone that really cared about her and

853
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,440
kept her from weaning herself off from medication maybe or even before that, who knows, none

854
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,440
of this might have happened.

855
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,000
And the fact that like, he's just like, oh yeah, like we have these children together

856
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:16,680
and he doesn't care, seem to care that he worries about their mother's health.

857
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,440
Like it's just, it's very strange.

858
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:30,320
So fortunately or unfortunately, Andrea would never get this shock therapy or lithium switch.

859
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,640
On June 20th, the family got up to do their morning routine.

860
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,400
Andrea got up with the kids and began to serve them breakfast cereal.

861
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,640
This is 2001 still?

862
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:40,640
Yes.

863
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:46,320
Rusty came into the kitchen and noticed Andrea's hands were shaky.

864
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,160
Rusty asked Andrea if she took her medication that morning, which she said yes.

865
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,920
It's great due diligence.

866
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,560
Rusty had an important meeting that morning and he would be leaving the children with

867
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,160
their mother for one hour before his mother could come and help.

868
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,080
Against the doctor's recommendation.

869
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,080
Yes.

870
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,800
They kissed each other goodbye and Rusty left for work.

871
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,600
Andrea then began to fill up the bathtub.

872
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,560
While the children were still eating cereal, Andrea picked up three year old Paul, took

873
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,320
him to the bathroom and drowned him in the bathtub.

874
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,360
He died within minutes.

875
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,560
Andrea washed his hair after.

876
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:34,440
After this, she took Paul's body to the, to her bedroom, laid him on the bed and tucked

877
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,320
him in with a maroon blanket.

878
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:43,700
She then grabbed two year old Luke, five year old John and a baby bottle full of milk.

879
00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:50,440
She held Luke in the water until he was lifeless, killing him in front of his brother John.

880
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:56,000
Andrea then drowned John in the bathtub while Luke lay there in the water.

881
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,200
The baby bottle was for baby Mary.

882
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:04,200
Andrea wanted Mary to be by her side while she murdered her brothers and to keep Mary

883
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:09,880
entertained and next to her, she lured Mary with the baby bottle.

884
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,560
Andrea scooped up Luke and John, bringing them to lay beside their brother and tucked

885
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,440
them in.

886
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:22,080
She then went back to the bathroom and drowned baby Mary, just six months old.

887
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,040
She left Mary floating in the bathtub.

888
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:31,360
She then brought in seven year old Noah, her firstborn, into the bathroom.

889
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,800
Perhaps Andrea left Noah for last since she might have felt that he would put up the most

890
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,440
struggle.

891
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:44,400
Andrea forced Noah into the tub where his baby sister was still floating in the water.

892
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:50,160
Noah fought hard, so hard that there were bruises on his body from the struggle.

893
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,480
And in the end, Andrea drowned Noah beside his baby sister.

894
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,040
She then took Mary's body and laid it with her brothers.

895
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,280
She would leave Noah in the bathtub.

896
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,280
She then called 911.

897
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,360
Oh my god, I want to throw up.

898
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:12,680
Like the whole thing is horrendous, but like it's extra vulgar that like one of the two

899
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,200
separate occasions, one of the deceased children was still in the bathtub when the other one

900
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,200
was being killed.

901
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,160
Like that's so fucking horrible.

902
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,080
And then to like have to watch that.

903
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:29,680
And I think that Noah had said what happened to baby Mary when he walked in.

904
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:35,880
It's almost like she was waiting, like subconsciously waiting for her to be alone with the kids

905
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:36,880
again.

906
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:37,880
Yeah.

907
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,960
And the bathtub, I mean, she was, it was preparation for sure.

908
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:40,960
Yeah.

909
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,680
I don't, I think that when she did the walk with the mother-in-law, I think that maybe

910
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:51,040
she didn't know that the mother-in-law was still in the house and she filled up the bathtub.

911
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:56,120
And I'm pretty sure it was Noah that had said something to the grandmother about a bathtub

912
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:02,760
being filled and then Mrs. Yates went in there and was like, what are you doing?

913
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,640
She's like, oh, just in case I need it.

914
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,320
Yeah, that's weird.

915
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,320
Very weird.

916
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,920
And then I'm glad she said something because that put her into the hospital again, but

917
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:12,920
again, there's no follow-up.

918
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,920
Yeah, no one fucking did anything.

919
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,360
Sorry, it's not funny.

920
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:17,360
It's really not.

921
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:18,560
I'm just uncomfortable.

922
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,200
So Andrea then called 911 saying that she needed them to come to the home, that she had

923
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,280
done something but refused to say what she had done.

924
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,560
She then called Rusty and told him to come home.

925
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:37,160
Rusty then arrives at his home to find it surrounded by police officers.

926
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,800
His mother was by the front door.

927
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,640
Andrea was in the back of a police car.

928
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:47,960
He was then informed that his children, all five, had been murdered by his wife.

929
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:53,160
Once at the police station, Andrea said little, but what she did say was that she believed

930
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:58,760
that she was a bad mother, that her children were not developed correctly and that she was

931
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:04,960
Satan, by proxy that she had passed this evil on to her children and that they did not have

932
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,280
a chance to grow up to be normal people.

933
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,840
Andrea was charged with five first-degree murders.

934
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,600
Surprisingly to the public, Rusty was in complete support of his wife.

935
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,840
He went on multiple news stations to talk about Andrea's struggles.

936
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:26,000
Although some were concerned about Rusty's views on mental health and motherhood.

937
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:31,520
He has expressed to Andrea's brother on many occasions that, quote, depressed people just

938
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,280
need a kick in the pants, end quote.

939
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,640
Wow.

940
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,880
And when questioned as to why Rusty would feel like it was okay to leave Andrea with

941
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:46,920
the children alone against medical advice, he said that this was an effort to wean Andrea

942
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,720
off of the help of him and his own mother and become more independent.

943
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:55,600
Let that fucking sink in.

944
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:56,600
Like what?

945
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:04,800
It's her duty as a mother to do this independently.

946
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,520
This was in support of her.

947
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:08,520
Let's...oh!

948
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:09,520
Oh my god.

949
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,520
I just hit my elbow really hard.

950
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,720
Sorry, that was loud as hell.

951
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:14,720
Yeah.

952
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:16,120
It's like, yeah, that's horrible.

953
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,000
He thinks that he is being...and maybe it's just the delulu.

954
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,000
I don't know.

955
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,440
Maybe it's just, he just really believes that he's doing right by her to be like, pray

956
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,440
it away or...

957
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,080
Pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

958
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,080
He's very ignorant.

959
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,080
Yeah.

960
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,080
Very ignorant.

961
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,080
I think that's what it is.

962
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,080
I think it's ignorance.

963
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,080
I don't think that he's malicious.

964
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,560
I think that he's just probably a simple dude.

965
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:40,560
You know what I mean?

966
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:41,560
Just a simple...

967
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:42,560
Rusty, simple dude.

968
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:43,560
You're rich.

969
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,560
You're very rich.

970
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:47,560
Good god.

971
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:48,560
That's horrible.

972
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,320
You know what I was thinking?

973
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,600
And I don't mean to sound vulgar, but I'm surprised that she didn't attempt suicide

974
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,160
again after she killed them.

975
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:58,960
I might have a note on that.

976
00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:59,960
Oh, okay.

977
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:03,360
Andrea would plead not guilty by reason of insanity.

978
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:09,440
And in March of 2002, despite Andrea's vast medical and mental history, she was found

979
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:10,640
guilty on all charges.

980
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,720
I mean, it was premeditated with the bathtub, especially since she did it one other time

981
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:16,360
before that.

982
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,360
And there's a witness to that.

983
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,360
My throat is hurting.

984
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:19,360
I'm sorry.

985
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:20,360
My voice is like...

986
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,960
I don't know what else to say.

987
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:28,560
However, when her appeal came around, Andrea pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity

988
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,400
again, and this time she was found not guilty in 2006.

989
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:34,400
Wow.

990
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,200
She was serving over three years in prison at that point.

991
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,920
She was then moved to an undisclosed facility in Curville.

992
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,920
So sorry.

993
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,920
Yeah, totally.

994
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,840
But she, yeah, she resides in Curville now.

995
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,960
I think that she was originally at another facility, and then they transferred her to

996
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,280
a facility in Curville.

997
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,560
I didn't realize there was one in Curville.

998
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:58,560
It was kind of a small place.

999
00:48:58,560 --> 00:48:59,560
That's what I was thinking.

1000
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:00,560
I was like, undisclosed.

1001
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:01,560
I was like, Curville's small.

1002
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:02,560
I'm sure you could find the one that was there.

1003
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,560
See it right off the highway.

1004
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:12,960
Andrea has never once tried to apply for release.

1005
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,840
She believes that her punishment for the sins of being a bad mother is to live the rest

1006
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,280
of her life without her children.

1007
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:21,280
That's so horrible.

1008
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,760
It's like, I don't know if I like that though, and then it's clearly someone that's very

1009
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,080
mentally ill talking, but I feel like it might be like a, I just had to get rid of them

1010
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,720
because I'm not fit to be a mother.

1011
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:32,840
And it's like, that's not fair to them.

1012
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,960
You could have just given them up for adoption.

1013
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,520
Well, you did have that callback.

1014
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:43,360
Remember, like I'll call back to what you said when I had mentioned that Michael had

1015
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:50,200
said, if you don't do it successfully before they're 14 or 15, they're damned to go to

1016
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,040
hell anyways.

1017
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:57,840
And I think that that's something that really resonated with her.

1018
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:05,560
And she probably thought, given her suicide attempts, given her the medication, the, you

1019
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:11,200
know, not being able to do everything, host parties and Bible studies and take care of

1020
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:18,640
her dad and take care of her mom and all of this pressure, she was essentially told, this

1021
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,240
is what normal people do.

1022
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:22,840
Normal people do all this stuff and they're just fine.

1023
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:23,840
So what's wrong with you?

1024
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:24,840
Yeah.

1025
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,720
And if you can't do it right, then your children are damned forever.

1026
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:31,400
And maybe she thought like at that point, because she was spiraling so hard that she's

1027
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,280
like, oh my God, like something really bad is going to happen to my kids.

1028
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:35,280
Yeah.

1029
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,280
Not excusing, just explaining.

1030
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,280
Right.

1031
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,880
And the truth is that that's not reality.

1032
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:40,880
Right.

1033
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,880
Not everyone does those things.

1034
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,320
Not everyone has to do all that.

1035
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,720
She did it because she's Andrea.

1036
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:53,520
She did it because she wanted to give her all in her marriage and her and being a mother

1037
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:58,800
and being a good daughter and being a good whatever sister.

1038
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,840
And she felt like she wasn't good enough.

1039
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,640
And therefore she influenced her children to not be good enough.

1040
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,120
And then there's a lineage of people that aren't good enough.

1041
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,120
And she failed.

1042
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,120
And she failed.

1043
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,120
She failed them.

1044
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,480
And instead of them being in hell for the rest of their lives, she's going to kill them

1045
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,600
now so they can go to heaven.

1046
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,520
And maybe one day she can see them there.

1047
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,160
It's horrible.

1048
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:27,360
It's just it's fucking sad that she was sold that.

1049
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:28,360
She was sold that.

1050
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,400
She truly, I believe that she truly believed that.

1051
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,160
I believe that she truly believed it too.

1052
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:39,200
And I think that's why the Insanity Playworks for her in her situation is because she wasn't

1053
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,200
taught any better.

1054
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,920
She doesn't know any better.

1055
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,840
This is the only thing she knew.

1056
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,280
She was essentially closeted.

1057
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,280
Yeah.

1058
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,280
You know, she wasn't going to work.

1059
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:48,280
The kids never went to school.

1060
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:49,280
She probably didn't have any friends.

1061
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:54,280
Well, I guess it's good now that she's in a facility rather than a prison because now

1062
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,000
she's probably getting properly medicated and properly monitored like she never had the

1063
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,000
chance to do before.

1064
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,000
Yeah, I agree.

1065
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,640
And the fact that I like I said, the fact that she's never tried to apply to get out

1066
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:10,600
like shows that whatever is going on is working because every other time she's been discharged,

1067
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,560
she's probably terrified to leave.

1068
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:13,560
Yeah.

1069
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,560
Yes, that's horrible.

1070
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:21,200
Rusty Yates has come back into the spotlight several times over the years, doing various

1071
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,280
new shows and all that.

1072
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:29,800
He filed for divorce from Andrea in 2004 after two years of her incarceration.

1073
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:35,360
He then remarried a divorcee in 2006 who had two previous children.

1074
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,840
The couple would have one son together and they seemed to be doing well.

1075
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:46,120
However, in a somewhat strange interview with Oprah Winfrey, Rusty would talk about how

1076
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:52,760
although he's happy with his family now, nothing ever compared to how happy he was in his relationship

1077
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,040
with Andrea and sharing their five children.

1078
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,160
So he essentially was like, and that's paraphrased.

1079
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,680
I'm not saying that.

1080
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,560
But he was like, well, they know.

1081
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,000
Essentially they know they're not good enough.

1082
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,280
They know they're not my Andrea and my five children.

1083
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:09,280
That's awful.

1084
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,440
It is so bizarre.

1085
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,920
I recommend anyone to watch it.

1086
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,960
You can find it like free clips on YouTube.

1087
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:21,480
It's bizarre the way that he's like, I'll never love them as much as I loved Andrea and

1088
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,360
my first five children.

1089
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,840
There's something going on with him too, I think.

1090
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,960
What's going on with that man?

1091
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,080
Anyways, Rusty's new wife would file for divorce in 2015.

1092
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,080
No.

1093
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:33,080
Okay, there you go.

1094
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,080
Well, there you go.

1095
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,080
She's like, we're not good enough.

1096
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,080
This guy's a winner.

1097
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,080
Yeah.

1098
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,080
Rusty's single ladies.

1099
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:43,760
Oh, he's an eligible bachelor if you want to be a sinner and a homemaker.

1100
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,040
He used to being a sinner.

1101
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,040
Oh my gosh.

1102
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,360
That is the story of Andrea Gates and her children.

1103
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,200
I knew when you had said that she filled up the bathtub the first time it came back to

1104
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,720
me, I was like, oh, I forgot.

1105
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:59,760
I think I told you off mic, I was like, I think that she drowns all of her kids in the

1106
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,280
bathtub, but you didn't respond.

1107
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,280
You just let me have it.

1108
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:03,280
I just didn't say anything.

1109
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,160
You didn't say anything and we just kept going.

1110
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,160
That is horrible.

1111
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,160
That's horrible.

1112
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:12,400
When I think about mothers in the 90s in true crime, I think about Andrea Gates.

1113
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,760
I think about Routier.

1114
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,400
I think about, what's the other one that I did?

1115
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,400
Susan Smith.

1116
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:20,400
Susan Smith.

1117
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,400
Yeah.

1118
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,800
I think about those and just really Diane Routier.

1119
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:25,800
Right?

1120
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,400
Diane Dana, Diane Routier.

1121
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:32,560
Anyways, I think about those because they were really, really, they were just really

1122
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:33,640
well-known cases.

1123
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,680
I think maybe for your generation, it would have been like the Casey Anthony case.

1124
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,760
And it was just, yeah.

1125
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,560
It was a wild time.

1126
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:42,560
Those were lawless.

1127
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,360
I'm just surprised that you covered that case because it's a bunch of kids.

1128
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:47,360
Kid of kids.

1129
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,360
Yeah.

1130
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:54,240
That's definitely one that I've heard, like I had the name, very well-known and I'm glad

1131
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:57,960
that you covered it because I don't know how well I would have done on that one.

1132
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:04,000
But just really horrible example of why we do the podcast.

1133
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:11,280
People need to have the, not even just the availability and encouragement, but the ongoing

1134
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,880
support when they want to get treatment and mental health help because it's not especially

1135
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,280
like disorders like this.

1136
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,440
She had an unspecified psychotic disorder, right?

1137
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:22,720
Something like that, in my opinion.

1138
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:25,800
I think they called it a postpartum psychosis.

1139
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:26,800
Yeah.

1140
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,720
And so like with something like that, which is one very unpredictable, like who's to

1141
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:34,200
say the first medication that you get prescribed is going to work.

1142
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:39,760
But like that's not something that is completely going to go away like ever.

1143
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:40,760
Like the doctor said.

1144
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,160
Like it's going to need, you're going to need to have someone that is willing to be

1145
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:49,000
that support system and willing to like help remind you to take your medication and tell

1146
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:54,280
the doctor the second they see something abnormal and protect the children of course.

1147
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:59,680
And unfortunately, Rusty just wasn't that person and it just turned out really badly

1148
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:00,680
for everyone.

1149
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:01,680
I think so, yeah.

1150
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:02,680
Yeah.

1151
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:07,640
I think the postpartum of that, it's like you were right in saying it's just boom one

1152
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:15,280
right after the other and there's many families that, you know, have a religious setting or

1153
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,120
background and that's something that they wholeheartedly believe in and I'm not dogging

1154
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,120
that at all.

1155
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:28,040
I'm just saying, I wonder how many other mothers out there get so overwhelmed with so many

1156
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:29,240
kids so quickly.

1157
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:30,400
Like I could never do that.

1158
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,400
Yeah.

1159
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,920
I've seen like they did an episode of Grace about it and there was this woman, they had

1160
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:39,280
had like five, she was like pregnant with baby number six and the couple was like that,

1161
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:45,640
of course, this is fictional, but she had come to the hospital and she said that like

1162
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,040
their religion doesn't believe in contraception but she physically doesn't think she can

1163
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,040
have any more kids.

1164
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,560
Like it's too much to handle and she asked, can you please tie my twos without my husband

1165
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:54,560
knowing.

1166
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:55,560
Yeah.

1167
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,560
And when I deliver this baby and they're like, no, we can't do that.

1168
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:58,560
But then they do it anyway.

1169
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,560
Well, they didn't do it anyway, they accidentally.

1170
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,080
I'm sorry, but I'm thinking what a strong relationship where she wants to lie to her

1171
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,600
husband about not wanting to have any more children.

1172
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:07,600
I know.

1173
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:08,600
But that's what I'm saying.

1174
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,880
Like Andrea probably didn't think she could say no to that.

1175
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,880
You know, and yeah, that's just, it's just hard.

1176
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,880
It's really hard too because you don't want to like discount someone's beliefs and stuff

1177
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:21,880
like that.

1178
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,520
But this is just a case where it went too far.

1179
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:24,520
I think so too.

1180
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:25,520
I think there's someone behind me.

1181
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,520
I don't know why I keep getting a weird like breathing.

1182
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:29,520
It's rusty.

1183
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:30,520
Oh my God.

1184
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:31,520
All right.

1185
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,800
Well, that's it for us today.

1186
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:34,800
Yeah.

1187
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:35,800
Good case, dude.

1188
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:36,800
Yeah.

1189
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:37,800
Thanks.

1190
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,800
All right.

1191
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,800
Make sure you guys check out that social media, give us a right, give us a dollar.

1192
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:43,800
Yeah.

1193
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,600
And thanks to everyone that played our little, how well do you know, DAK trivia game on Instagram?

1194
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,080
By the way, we are actually sisters.

1195
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,600
If you listen, you should know that.

1196
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,600
But I think some people said that we're just friends.

1197
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:54,600
That's funny.

1198
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,880
We're friends and sisters.

1199
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:57,880
That's true.

1200
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:58,880
That's true.

1201
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,720
We'll see you guys next week with another case.

1202
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:01,720
Yeah.

1203
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:02,720
All right.

1204
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:03,720
Love you.

1205
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:04,720
Love you.

1206
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:05,720
Bye.

1207
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