1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Hello! 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,000 Hello! 3 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer, The Mental Breakdown. 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,000 I'm Kenna. 5 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:32,000 And I'm Quelle. 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,000 I had to like whisper that because my voice kind of went out. 7 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Mental Breakdown! 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,000 How's it going? 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,000 Pretty good. 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,000 It's been a while. 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,000 It's been a while? 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,000 Yes, it has. 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Oh no. 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,000 I love that song. 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:51,000 No, it hasn't been a while since we recorded because if the listeners know, we did that three-parter, 16 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,000 but we recorded it all in advance because I was gone. 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,000 And we also recorded our latest Patreon episode in advance. 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000 So we really haven't sat down together in probably three weeks. 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,000 It's so true. 20 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,000 It feels weird. 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,000 I know. 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,000 It does feel weird. 23 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,000 I always have to get the feel again and get the flow. 24 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,000 I always get nervous when we sit back down after a while. 25 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Today, I do have a cool mental breakdown that I like to talk about, but would you like to give everyone our social media handles? 26 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,000 Oh my gosh, it's been so long. I forgot. 27 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:26,000 You can catch us anywhere on social media at Diagnosing a Killer other than ex-formally known as Twitter, which is at Killer Diagnosis. 28 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,000 We also have a PayPal, Venmo, Cash App if you would like to support us monetarily. 29 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:36,000 We also have a Patreon, Tier 1 members get ad-free mental breakdown episodes. 30 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:41,000 Tiers 2, 3, and 4 get all access to all ad-free episodes. 31 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:49,000 And then of course our 3 and 4 tier Patreon members also get that added bonus episode once a month, towards the end of the month. 32 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Yeah. 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:02:00,000 Yeah, this most recent one, Episode 12, we've gotten some really different and interesting feedback on it because it was just a particularly brutal case. 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:07,000 And while our Patreon members know what they're getting themselves into, of course that doesn't discount the brutality of that case. 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:17,000 So if you want to join those Patreon members and get that extra content that is nowhere else besides Patreon, join that tier 3 and 4 and it takes just a few minutes to sign up. 36 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,000 Yeah. 37 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:24,000 Before we get started with this mental breakdown, I do have just a couple of Instagram messages that I'd like to read. 38 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:33,000 So first one is from a listener saying, Hey, just wanted to reach out all the way from Scotland. I'm a true crime fanatic and came across your podcast last year. I'm obsessed. 39 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:41,000 I love your take on the cases and I love your mental health breakdowns. I've just become a Patreon and I'm binging all your bonus episodes as I type. 40 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,000 You girls make me smile when I'm listening to you, even though some of the stuff I hear is horrific. 41 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:54,000 If interested, there's a case of a serial killer called Robert Black. He was Scottish, who lived all over the UK. I've never heard a case about him and would love your take. 42 00:02:54,000 --> 00:03:01,000 I'm currently doing a criminology and psychology degree, so I absolutely adore how you bring in the why and background cities cases. 43 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Big love and I can't wait to hear part 2 of Fred and Rose West. All my love from sunny Scotland. 44 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,000 Aww. 45 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,000 So sweet. 46 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:16,000 I love that. And I think I saw on the Patreon, it came across in pounds instead of dollars. I was like, Who is that? 47 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,000 I was like, What a move. 48 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:25,000 And then we got the message. So it was perfect. But thank you very much. We love, love hearing. Of course, all of our listeners reaching out to us. 49 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,000 But across the pond is just so cool to me. We have listeners all over the UK. So thank you guys. 50 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:39,000 I think that's really cool to be able to support us through Patreon from other forms of currency. 51 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,000 Right. 52 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,000 That's wild. I didn't realize that that's something that Patreon did. 53 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:53,000 I didn't either. And I don't know what the difference is because I know we have, I think we have like one or two other Patreon members that are from, not from America, but it comes across as dollars. I don't know if it was converted. 54 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Yeah. 55 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,000 Or I don't know. 56 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,000 Hmm. 57 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,000 The world may never know. 58 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,000 The world may never know. 59 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,000 Either way, thank you. And we hope that you are enjoying those bonus episodes. 60 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:13,000 And the next one, we have another listener from the UK that sent us a message saying, Hello. I very much enjoy your podcast. I'm in the UK and was around 10 years old when Fred and Rose were caught. 61 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:22,000 I enjoy your telling of the crimes. A few things you might want to know. Fred was appointed an appropriate adult as he was deemed as a vulnerable adult. 62 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Remember how we were saying like, I don't know. I guess it's just a British thing. Everyone gets one. 63 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Yeah. 64 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,000 Apparently it's just for people that are considered vulnerable. 65 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:37,000 They continue, there is a British drama based on the appropriate adult appointed to Fred. The UK does not have the death penalty. 66 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:45,000 So they actually refer to first names as Christian names. So whatever it was, Jennifer, we were like, I didn't realize that was in the Bible. It's not. 67 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,000 It's just what they call their first names. 68 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,000 I was like, Seth is in the Bible. That's pretty cool. 69 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,000 You're right. 70 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:56,000 The message goes on dancing on ice is like dancing with the stars, but as figure ice skating. So cool. 71 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,000 That's really cool. I'd watch that. 72 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,000 Rose will never be released due to be given a whole life order. 73 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:11,000 In 2004, legislation was changed due to the wording of unlawful sex and replaced with legislation called the Sexual Offences Act 2003. 74 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Under the legislation, there is child sex offenses. So when the son got arrested for unlawful sex, it was sexual assault. 75 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,000 I thought it was statutory. 76 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,000 I see. 77 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:29,000 And then lastly, anyone over the age of 18 engaging with children under 16 will be declared pedophiles or rapists. 78 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:34,000 They go on, I hope I haven't caused any offense. I'm a mature law student, so I'm happy to look at any laws for you. 79 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,000 Well, we appreciate that. 80 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,000 Yeah, we could always use that. 81 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:44,000 Absolutely. And we never take any offense to people, especially educating on things that we are open about not knowing about. 82 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,000 We didn't grow up over there. We don't know all this stuff. I actually really appreciate that. 83 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:55,000 When I do come across a case that's outside of the United States, there are some things that I'm like, I don't know what the heck that means. 84 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:00,000 And I can't even research what that means. I can't find a description. So thank you very much for that message. 85 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,000 And of course, we respond to all of you guys. 86 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,000 Thanks for the messages, y'all. 87 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,000 I think that is all I have. Do you have anything else before we get started? 88 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,000 No. 89 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,000 Okay. 90 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,000 Oh, wait, wait, wait. I'm hungry. 91 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Okay, me too. 92 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,000 Okay. 93 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,000 Just to let everyone know. 94 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:26,000 So today, we are going to be talking about an organization known as Bikers Against Child Abuse, 95 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,000 aka BACA. 96 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Yes. 97 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Yes. 98 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Oh, I'm excited. 99 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Bikers Against Child Abuse is a nonprofit charitable motorcycle organization that exists worldwide. 100 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:42,000 And I'm going to refer to it as BACA because it's a long title. 101 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:49,000 BACA was founded in 1995 by one John Paul or Chief Lilly in Provo, Utah. 102 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:59,000 John Lilly is a registered recreational therapist and licensed clinical social worker who saw a number of horrific child abuse cases throughout his work. 103 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:06,000 One particular story, however, the story of a traumatized eight-year-old seems to be the reason behind his founding of BACA. 104 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,000 He's also a biker, clearly. 105 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,000 Yeah. 106 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,000 No, he learned how to ride motorcycles just for this. 107 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 Yes, for this. 108 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:20,000 John was known as coming from a broken home himself, but he always had positive interactions with bikers as a child. 109 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:25,000 So he was quick to take the opportunity to make a positive impact in children's lives. 110 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:32,000 John would take the young eight-year-old under his wing and introduce them to the circle of bikers that he was a part of. 111 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,000 That's like a little tiny member. 112 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,000 It's a little baby. 113 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Slowly over time, John's idea grew and more and more young people were coming to hang out with him and his biker friends. 114 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:52,000 The group got so big that John would ultimately turn it into BACA, eventually turning it into a nonprofit organization that has hundreds of members worldwide. 115 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:58,000 Every time I think of this organization, I just think of all of them with their arms crossed just look at like a real intimidating. 116 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Like what are you going to do? You're going to fuck with some kids? 117 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Yeah. 118 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,000 You've got to get through us first. 119 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,000 Exactly. 120 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,000 I love those photos. 121 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,000 The second statement of the organization is as follows. 122 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,000 Quote, 123 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Bikers against child abuse exist with the intent to create a safer environment for abused children. 124 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:19,000 We exist as a body of bikers to empower children to not feel afraid of the world in which they live. 125 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:26,000 We stand ready to lend support to our wounded friends by involving them with an established United Organization. 126 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,000 We work in conjunction with local and state officials who are already in place to protect children. 127 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:37,000 We desire to send a clear message to all involved with the abused child that this child is part of our organization 128 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:44,000 and that we are prepared to lend our physical and emotional support to them by affiliation and our physical presence. 129 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,000 We stand at the ready to shield these children from further abuse. 130 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,000 We do not condone the use of violence or physical force in any manner. 131 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:58,000 However, if circumstances arise such that we are the only obstacle preventing a child from further abuse, 132 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,000 we stand ready to be that obstacle. 133 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,000 And this is like, I'm sorry I didn't mean to interrupt on your end quote. 134 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:11,000 But yeah, I think this is also one of those situations where it's not just writing around spreading awareness. 135 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:17,000 It's, they're out there in the public and if they see something that they don't like, they're going to say something. 136 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Of course. 137 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Yeah, that they've agreed to be a part of that, that kind of a, not just like a, I wouldn't say like a system but an accountability, right? 138 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,000 Absolutely. 139 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:33,000 An accountability towards each other that this is your mission statement and this is what you will continue going forward. 140 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Absolutely. 141 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,000 And it's not like, they're like, oh, you're one of us now, like call us if you need us. 142 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,000 It's like, no, we are like available. 143 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,000 Let us know we will come like, and they're like, you're not going to fuck with this child. 144 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,000 Like this is our friend, you know? 145 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,000 Yeah. 146 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:54,000 The organization leans into the stigma surrounding bikers as strong, aggressive, mean and menacing to its advantage 147 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:59,000 and show their presence to ward off potential threats to children they are protecting. 148 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,000 BACA group members are in many different countries around the world, 149 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:20,000 consisting of the United States, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Spain, France, Greece, Iceland, Italy, Netherlands, New Zealand, Austria, Portugal, Switzerland, Sweden, and the United Kingdom. 150 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,000 Can you imagine all the different accents? 151 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,000 Don't fuck with me, Brogue. 152 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,000 Wait, what? 153 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,000 I had to pause. 154 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Brogue is the accent. 155 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Don't fuck with me, boy. 156 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,000 It's what I meant to say. 157 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,000 Don't fuck with me, boy. 158 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,000 But no, that's fucking badass. 159 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,000 That's pretty cool. 160 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,000 I know. 161 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,000 I love that. 162 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:43,000 And then be able to recognize that that's what's so cool is like, we've definitely, here in the United States and Texas, 163 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,000 seen people with backpatches and stuff like that on their vests, and it's kind of cool. 164 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,000 It's like, aw, that hardened looking biker man loves children. 165 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000 Right. 166 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000 You know? 167 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Like, it's just, it's really cool. 168 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,000 It's really cool. 169 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,000 An unique way to advocate for children. 170 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Yeah, absolutely. 171 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,000 When I think about the latest trends, I think Spencer's. 172 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:14,000 Spencer's has been a mall must visit since its first store opened in 1963. 173 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,000 From then, Spencer's has always stocked the most unique and buzz-worthy products, 174 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:23,000 including, but not limited to, their wide range of lava lamps, their body jewelry cases, 175 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,000 and of course, their infamous wallet wall. 176 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,000 And don't forget about their 18 and up section, dedicated to sexual health. 177 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,000 Did I mention their humanitarian work? 178 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:36,000 Spencer's has been partnered with the ACLU for years in an effort to protect individual rights, 179 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,000 as well as other nonprofits, such as fucking cancer. 180 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:46,000 With over 670 locations in the US, Spencer's is the hottest place for trends, even after 75 years. 181 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Click the link in the show notes to receive an exclusive offer today. 182 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,000 Spencer's, life's a party and we're making it fun. 183 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,000 So how does BACA work? 184 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:06,000 They are organized with a central contact official that receives calls from referring agencies and others. 185 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:12,000 The child's case is evaluated, and if it's determined that the child is still frightened by their environment, 186 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,000 a call is then placed to BACA. 187 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:22,000 The information of the child is given to the proper liaison, and they get in contact with the family that the child is with, 188 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:27,000 and organize a meetup at either the child's home or another safe environment. 189 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:34,000 The child then meets with a member of the organization, and upon arrival is given a vest with a BACA patch sewn on the back. 190 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Oh my god. 191 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:42,000 The child is usually also offered bumper stickers and other keepsakes from the organization. 192 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:47,000 The initial visit generally lasts about half an hour, but following this, 193 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:54,000 the child is given the name and phone numbers of two BCBA members who then become the child's primary contacts. 194 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,000 Of course, each member of the organization are screened with background checks, 195 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,000 and the members who are determined to be the primary contacts typically live closest to the child. 196 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:09,000 Additionally, the members who are chosen also need to have been with the organization for at least a year, 197 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,000 and have received special instructions and training by a licensed mental health professional. 198 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Dang, they're like, throw. 199 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,000 And yeah, they're legit. They're not just going to say, oh, we have some Josh Mo off the street wants to join the organization. 200 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,000 We're just going to throw him in with a kid. 201 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,000 They want to know that this person is genuinely there for the right reasons, and they have training necessary. 202 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:34,000 It reminds me kind of of, I mean, on a small scale, that they have organizations or, I guess, 203 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:40,000 programs that dads can participate in in public school environments. 204 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,000 I don't know about private schools, but at least the school that my kiddo goes to. 205 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:52,000 And the dads just, when their time to other kids that might not necessarily have a father figure in their life. 206 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,000 And so, yeah, they're called watchdogs. 207 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,000 That's cool. 208 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:04,000 And so, yeah, and so, you know, the dads can volunteer their time during recess or whatever it is and kind of, you know, they go through, like you said, 209 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,000 like a screening process and all this other stuff to make sure that everything's okay. 210 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Yeah. 211 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:15,000 Yeah, but they lend their support and attention to maybe kids that won't have father figures. 212 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:20,000 Yeah, that's awesome. I love that. And then just have like a positive male influence in the life. 213 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:30,000 Anytime the child feels scared and feels the need for the presence of the members, they can call the bikers and they will show up for the necessary reassurance and protection of the child. 214 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:41,000 BACA members also support children by providing escorts to and from school if they feel unsafe, driving around their home on a regular basis to provide extra comfort, 215 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,000 attending any interviews regarding the investigation if there is one ongoing, 216 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:51,000 supporting the children at court and parole hearings, and generally staying anywhere where the child does not feel safe. 217 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,000 I think that's really cool. It's like having your own personal bodyguard or something. 218 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Yeah. Or two of them. 219 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,000 Yeah. 220 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:03,000 The BACA members never go into the child's home alone or without parents' permission or knowledge. 221 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:10,000 The members also make it clear to the child and the family that they are not intended to be the only choice for protection, 222 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,000 but they are available for additional support for as long as the family needs. 223 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,000 So they make it pretty clear like this isn't our fix. 224 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,000 This is our support when you need it and while you need it. 225 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:29,000 But we also want to encourage you to reach out for other means of support such as family therapy maybe or different types of things that can also help. 226 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:35,000 Yeah. Calling 911 when there's an emergency and not just being like, you know, my ex-husband showed up on my property. 227 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Can you come over here and kick his ass? You know, nothing like that. 228 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Along with the protection factor, the BACA also hosts get-togethers and barbecues with the community. 229 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:53,000 There are two levels that the organization offers when it comes to being that protection factor for the child and family. 230 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:59,000 Level one intervention consists of deploying a ride with as many group members as possible to the child's home, 231 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:04,000 where the parents then allow the group to present the child with the vest, stickers, goodies, etc. 232 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,000 They encourage the child to use the phrase, quote, 233 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:14,000 I am not alone and you don't want to mess with my family, end quote, should they ever find themselves in a scary situation? 234 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,000 Whoa. 235 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,000 I'm going to fuck with my family. 236 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:25,000 If level one intervention does not seem to be working for a particular case, level two intervention will then be offered. 237 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,000 In level two, a group of members will create a presence at the home of the child, 238 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:34,000 making sure they are visible at the time when the family members may feel the most vulnerable. 239 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:41,000 The purpose of the members being present at the home is to deter any further abuse to the family or child. 240 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:47,000 So we also spoke about how the members attend court hearings with the child as well. 241 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:54,000 The organization explains that the reasoning behind their presence in court is to assist the child in being less intimidated, 242 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,000 afraid, and subsequently give an accurate testimony regarding the abuse. 243 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:10,000 That's so true because they're also being examined, cross-examined, all this stuff by potential defense attorneys or prosecuting attorneys. 244 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,000 And yeah, that can be really intimidating. 245 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,000 Like you said, you're the only child potentially in a room full of adults. 246 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:24,000 And who's to say there's not someone in the courtroom that is going to try to intimidate you by looking at you? 247 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:30,000 I would say, for example, the abuser is your uncle. What if his wife's in the courtroom, even though he's not allowed to be? 248 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,000 What if she's there and she's like crossing her arms looking at you like you better not fucking say anything or whatever? 249 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,000 Or older cousins or whatever it might be. 250 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,000 So it's also up to the child if they do want to have the members with them in court. 251 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:48,000 And if they request for them to do so, then their parent needs to contact their attorney who would then intercede on behalf of the child to the judge. 252 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:54,000 So all of them are like a part of it, like the attorney, the family, and the organization. 253 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,000 I would think that there would have to be some type of, like you said, like legality when it came to that. 254 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:06,000 Like the parents requesting the attorney to then request it, you know, so that there's more of a paper trail. 255 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,000 It's not just Homeboy shows up, show up and intimidate the judge. 256 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Push the judge around a little bit. 257 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:23,000 In addition to all of these things, the BACA also holds worldwide mandatory meetings which are open to the public and also do other things to gain awareness in their community. 258 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,000 Where'd you go? 259 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,000 I know. I think that would be really cool. 260 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,000 That would be really cool. 261 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,000 To just pop in on one. 262 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,000 Yeah. 263 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:36,000 They also typically host the most awareness and fundraising events in the month of April as that is actually Child Abuse Awareness Months. 264 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:43,000 Some chapters of the group will even hold balloon releases to commemorate abused and or deceased children. 265 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:52,000 John Lilly and another member of the group by the name of D. C. Ray actually conducted a self-published study of the success of the group. 266 00:18:52,000 --> 00:19:00,000 In the study, John states that the BACA has received respect and support from the four largest motorcycle clubs in the United States. 267 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:05,000 Those are the Banditos, the Hell's Angels, the Pagans, and the Outlaws. 268 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,000 Wow. 269 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,000 They're all on their feet like, hell yeah, fuck child abuse. 270 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,000 Yeah. 271 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,000 You know which everyone should say. 272 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,000 Right. 273 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,000 Of course. 274 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,000 Yeah. No, that's not funny at all. 275 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,000 It's not funny at all. 276 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,000 It's like dead ass like fuck child abusers. 277 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,000 It's dead ass. 278 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,000 Yeah. 279 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:34,000 The study also states, quote, although we are cautious in interpreting causation due to nature of single group design, it is evident that child emotional and behavioral improvement occurred during the time that the children were involved in BACA intervention. 280 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:41,000 However, it should be noted improvement also correlated with children's temporal distance from the crisis situation, end quote. 281 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:48,000 So essentially they're saying like they were part of the children being more comfortable and getting more, you know, arrests and stuff like that. 282 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:53,000 But also the children, child just being away from the abuser also could have caused that and did. 283 00:19:53,000 --> 00:20:00,000 So a famous case surrounding the BACA is one of Jan Brogurg Felt. 284 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:07,000 She was an actress who had previously been kidnapped twice by a man named Robert Ursel Birchtold. 285 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:17,000 Jan was visiting a college in Utah with her mother for their annual women's conference when 15 BACA members offered to escort Jan and provide their services as security. 286 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,000 Hell yeah. 287 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:29,000 The reason for this approach was that Jan was in the process of releasing a book about her personal story of being kidnapped and she had received threats from Birchtold that if she did, he would harm her. 288 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:34,000 How does he have the ability to send her correspondence and harm her? 289 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,000 Out. 290 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,000 Yes. 291 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:42,000 So Jan would take the BACA up on their offer and the conference took place without incident for a while. 292 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:51,000 However, Birchtold actually showed up at the conference and approached BCBA member Les Watson and asked him to hand out literature to some of the attendees. 293 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:59,000 When Les hesitated to read over the literature before passing them out, Birchtold got angry and threatened him. He was like trying to get him away from Jan. 294 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Yeah. 295 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:07,000 Les then responded by stating that he was not going to be passing out the papers and told another BACA member to call the police. 296 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,000 Birchtold stormed off at this point, returning to his vehicle. 297 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:20,000 He did not leave, however, and was noted as revving his engine aggressively while he simultaneously drove straight towards Les striking him. 298 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,000 No way. 299 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:28,000 Les was hit by the vehicle but was able to hang onto the hood for over 100 feet while Birchtold continued to drive. 300 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,000 Oh my god. 301 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:36,000 Birchtold would brandish a gun at this point and Les jumped off the moving vehicle in order to avoid being shot. 302 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Les would escape with his life but not without BACA and leg injuries. 303 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:49,000 A witness was also able to provide police with a license plate of the vehicle which led to Birchtold being charged with simple assault, criminal trespassing, and disorderly contact. 304 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,000 Not a tinted murder. 305 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000 It was like what I was thinking. 306 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000 He would later be released. 307 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,000 Three days later. 308 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,000 No mental ill of eval at all. 309 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:09,000 So going back to the BACA, according to their website, there are a number of different patches that one can have on their vest as a member. 310 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:26,000 Red represents the quote, bloodshed by wounded children, white represents the quote, innocence of the children, black represents the quote, dark times the child goes through, the fist represents quote, our commitment to stop child abuse, 311 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:36,000 the skull and crossbones is a symbol to the quote, death to child abuse, and the chains represent quote, our united organization, that's all on their website. 312 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,000 That's interesting. 313 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,000 I like that. 314 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:44,000 Yeah, and there's different, I mean, I love that there's so many different meanings that are so important to their, you know, goal. 315 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:51,000 If you would like to donate to the organization, you can actually PayPal them at BACA International Inc. 316 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:56,000 Or you can visit their website at BACAworld.org. 317 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,000 But that is Bikers Against Child Abuse. 318 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,000 That's really interesting. 319 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:08,000 It was just something that I had on my list, I think I saw, honestly, like a tick talk about it, and they were just like very briefly talking about the organization. 320 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,000 I was like, that's fucking cool. 321 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,000 I want to talk about that. 322 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,000 That's cool. 323 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:16,000 I know recently we had a case that we talked about having an advocate for the children. 324 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:22,000 I think that one's called Guardians of the Children that we did talk about a while ago, but it's kind of the same thing they have, like, it's a court advocate. 325 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,000 So this is a little similar, but of course it goes above and beyond just the court. 326 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,000 It's like, they're an advocate outside, at school or wherever they need them to be. 327 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,000 I just think that's really awesome. 328 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:39,000 And just the fact that there's so many people that are part of this organization is, it gives me hope for the world. 329 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:45,000 Yeah, I think we've definitely seen that here in South Texas, people wearing the patches on their vests and stuff. 330 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,000 But that was way more in depth. 331 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000 So yeah, certainly learned something. 332 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,000 Thank you. 333 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,000 Thank you guys for joining us. 334 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:59,000 If anybody that knows anyone in that organization or is part of the organization is listening, thank you so much for everything you do. 335 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,000 And share this information with people. 336 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:11,000 This is really important stuff, and that's why I wanted to bring it, even though it was a little mini mental breakdown, I think it was important to bring up. 337 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:22,000 And I think it's also important to kind of break the stigma as it pertains to motorcyclists and clubs that people can join and support each other in a really good cause. 338 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,000 For sure. 339 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,000 Absolutely. 340 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,000 Well then we will see you guys Thursday, unless you have anything else. 341 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,000 I don't think so. 342 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,000 Okay, well then we'll see you guys later. 343 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Bye. 344 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,000 Bye. 345 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,000 Bye. 346 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:59,000 Born and brewed in Southern California since 1963, the coffee bean and tea leaf has always been passionate about connecting loyal customers with carefully handcrafted products. 347 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Whether you're looking for a dark roast to liven up your day, or a soothing tea to relax into the night, the coffee bean and tea leaf has it all. 348 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Click the link in our show notes today to access an exclusive offer and get sipping.