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Hello!

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Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer.

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I'm Koelle.

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And I'm Kena.

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Hello.

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How are we doing?

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How's it going?

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Flight back.

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Oh my gosh.

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Ugh.

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I know I'm going to sound like a fucking broken record, but nine days until we go to Alaska!

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Sorry.

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When you guys go to Alaska, I'll be here knocking.

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Hey, but we're going to have all the content for you guys, and we are going to have a doozy

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Yes.

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Today we are going to be talking about Charlie Wilkinson and Aaron Caffee.

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Charlie Wilkinson and Aaron Caffee.

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I don't think I know this one.

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All right, all right, all right.

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That's a Texas case, y'all.

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Oh, God.

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for each other, it won't sound any different to you guys, but it's a more genuine approach

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to it instead of hearing something in the content warning and then you're not expecting

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anything else.

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You didn't say anything about Jake the dog.

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That morning this episode contains family troubles, control and relationships, brutal

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murder and threats of suicide.

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Aaron Caffee was born July 27th, 1991 in Raines County, Texas in the small town of

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Celeste, which is about an hour's long drive away of East Dallas, just to kind of orient

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everyone.

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Aaron's parents, Terry and Penny Caffee, were elated to welcome their firstborn and

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soon Aaron would have a baby brother.

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In fact, she would be the eldest of three children.

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Her brother Matthew was nicknamed Bubba and was born when Aaron was just three and her

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youngest brother Tyler was born when Aaron was six.

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Bubba's cute.

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Bubba's cute.

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The family was raised in a religious household and the family as a whole attended Miracle

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Faith Baptist Church in nearby Emory, Texas.

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Aaron was known for being very active in the youth activities in the family's church

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and for her beautiful singing voice in the children's choir.

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It was said by other participants of the church that Aaron actually was able to encourage

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other young people to join the youth ministry as Aaron was such a passionate member of the

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church and it seemed to kind of like rub off on others.

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Bro what?

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So sorry.

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I thought you were done.

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That was kind of me not like oh I was so perfect and great but I was really into the youth group

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at church when I was in middle school and I would always bring my friends from school

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after school because it was on Wednesday nights and I would always say oh can I bring a friend,

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can I bring a friend and I always wanted them to come because I thought it was the coolest

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thing in the world.

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And then I grew up.

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I was like ehh they grew up.

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It wasn't really cool activity at the end of the day.

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I had a lot of fun doing it.

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I mean I think all three of us whenever we would do like church things we used to do

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church retreats and stuff and we went all the way up to Colorado once.

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Really?

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I don't remember if I brought any friends.

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I had a friend that went with me at a few of those but yeah.

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The whole family would attend weekly Bible studies on Wednesday nights.

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Not just attending church on Sundays.

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Often the family would use a gospel room in order to play music as a family.

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Many would play piano, Bubba would play guitar or harmonica and Erin would sing.

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Sometimes Terry would act as a stand in pastor and in most of the congregation's eyes the

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cafes were perfect.

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I was going to say where's the poop?

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Where's the poop?

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The children were enrolled in public school.

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Bum bum bum.

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There's the room.

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Don't get a public school y'all.

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Don't do it.

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The children were enrolled in public school most of their lives but Erin at an early

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age would struggle with some tasks at school and would eventually be diagnosed with ADD

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or attention deficit disorder.

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By the time Erin was in middle school she had already begun to fall behind in her grades.

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Penny and Terry would begin to discuss homeschooling the kids as they felt that the more immediate

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attention at home would benefit Erin in her schooling given her disorder.

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That makes sense and also not that this is correlating in this story specifically but

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a lot of the people that I was in the youth group with at church were homeschooled as

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well.

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I guess it's, I don't know where that comes from but.

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Well, I think for some it's about what you're able to teach your child, right?

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Erin would begin to tell her parents about a girl at school who had seemingly had a crush

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on her.

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This was over some time but nothing at this moment seemed to be specifically affecting

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Erin that is until the final straw came.

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Erin told her parents that the girl that had had a crush on her in fact kissed her against

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her will.

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No.

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It's scandalous.

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Immediately Penny and Terry pulled Erin out of school and would also pull her younger

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brothers out of school as well.

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Was it noted how the parents felt about it or were they like absolutely not?

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They don't want Erin to become a lesbian or they were just like we don't want her to

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be assaulted because that's exactly what happened.

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Well, I think it's a little bit of both but I really do believe that it was just, this

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is just too much for like our innocent Erin to go through.

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We don't do that.

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We don't do that.

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That's a terrible way to speak but that's, I mean you do hear that.

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It's true.

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Yeah.

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And I think that they very much felt that she would have been corrupted or something

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by this experience.

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Aren't we all in public school?

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Not kissing girls.

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Corrupted.

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Corrupted.

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I mean.

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Corrupted.

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Corrupted.

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Corrupted.

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I mean.

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Texas, an even smaller Texas town.

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The family told friends and family that the move was purposeful and that it was to move

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closer to the family church, shaving the family's driving time by about 40 minutes.

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Oh wow.

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So they were traveling to go to this church.

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But now it's like, okay, it's like more of like a 15 minute drive, not a 40 minute drive.

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So they're probably there more often.

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Sure.

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So this was seen as understandable.

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And just to give everyone an idea of just how small of a town this is, the population

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difference between Celeste and Alba is about two thirds.

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Celeste is sitting at about 840 for the population and Alba is sitting at about 490.

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So it's even smaller.

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490 people.

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Geez.

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Very small.

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Penny would now be the one to provide the schooling for the three children.

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And this was to be a faith-based curriculum, which is what they call it.

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I couldn't remember like two seconds ago what they called it, but call it faith-based curriculum.

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Got it.

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No evolution.

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Considering that Erin was a social person and she was of age about 15 or 16, Erin was

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allowed and also encouraged to get a part-time job.

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Seeing as the family only had one income at this time, her parents were pretty supportive

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of this.

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Guess where my part-time job was when I was 15 and 16?

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Where?

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The church.

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I swear.

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I was working at the very story of the church.

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I worked for a pizza place, which was great because at the time I was really into smoking

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a lot of weed and I got free pizza all the time.

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Oh yeah, no, we got pizza all the time.

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Yeah.

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Erin decided then to work at the local Sonic as many other young people in the area did

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as well.

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Hell yeah.

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And also that, yeah, it's just part of their demographic.

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It was like hang out at the local Sonic.

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One of her coworkers said that meeting Erin, it almost seemed like she was exploring the

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world for the first time.

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Despite this, Erin was eventually the most well-known car hop at work.

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For those who do not know what a Sonic Drive-In is, here in the States, Sonic Drive-In is

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a fast food establishment known for its Drive-In accessibility.

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You essentially drive into a parking spot and there are menus by every car door.

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You press the menus big red button and you order your food, a massive Route 44 drink,

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which are all customizable like peach doctor peppers or crazy banana mango shakes or something.

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I read somewhere that there's like thousands of combinations you can pick.

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That's their whole thing is like thousands of combinations.

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My favorite was always just a classic ocean water.

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Same, I was gonna say that.

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Ocean water with like-

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It's a coconut sprite.

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Yeah, it's a kind of like-

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It's a cherry-lidder that's blue.

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Yeah, a blue coconut sprite.

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It's so good.

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Oh and the cherry limeade slush.

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Oh, the cherry-

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No, strawberry limeade slush.

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They're known for their cherry limeades.

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They're called the Rollers-Royce.

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Back in the day, all the tenants working as a car hop would be required to use roller

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skates and deliver your food directly to your car.

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I didn't know they were required at first.

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They were, that was part of the job.

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But as it became a safety hazard over the years, most locations did away with this requirement.

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However, in some locations, if you sign a waiver, it is completely legal for you to

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roller skate if you so choose.

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I heard that you got paid more if you were on roller skates, is that true?

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I think you just get tipped more.

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That's true.

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I mean, right?

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Yeah, but I thought it was like a different hour.

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Like if they were like, if you were willing to be on roller skates, we'll pay you like

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ten cents more an hour.

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I'm pretty sure they only get minimum wage working on Sonic, but that was kind of the

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crux of it because they weren't getting server pay and then again, for tip culture, you know,

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countries like us.

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I thought they were.

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I thought they would get server pay and then rely on tips similar to like a waitress in

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a restaurant.

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No, but that's the thing is that it came out that they were actually getting minimum wage

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and then people stopped tipping them.

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I was like, fuck you then.

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Karen quickly became the most popular worker at this location and it was essentially unheard

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of for car hops to still use skates, but she did.

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She would make quite a few regulars out of some of her patrons, patrons.

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She loved coming to work because she had an opportunity just to be a teenager.

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It was here at the Sonic where she would meet the young man who would change your life the

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course of forever, ever never.

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Charlie Wilkinson was the only child between his biological mother and biological father,

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although Charlie would come to have a stepbrother, a step sister, and a half sister eventually.

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His mother and father divorced when Charlie was very young and his mother would eventually

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move across Texas to Del Rio.

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After this, she rarely saw Charlie, sometimes only seeing him two times a year.

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Charlie lived with his dad who worked at a paper mill closer to the major city of Dallas,

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Texas.

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Charlie did find in school, but not great.

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He did however love participating in the school's Texas National Guard or something

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like JRTC, or for those who don't know, Joint Readiness Training, which is kind of like military

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training for high school kids.

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Heading into his senior year, Charlie attended boot camp in Fort Sill in Oklahoma, just a

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few hours north of Dallas, and he had aspirations of heading into the military after graduation.

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Having just returned to town after boot camp training, he would meet Aaron while driving

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through the local Sonic.

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Charlie was 17, soon to be 18 at this time.

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He was known by locals to drive a beat up truck and often wore cut off t-shirts, stained jeans,

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and boots.

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I can just see him.

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I know, right?

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I can smell him.

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He also went by the online handle Hillbilly on the latest social media accounts, aka Myspace.

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He and a few of his friends were known to shoot guns in the woods, hunt, and also fish

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in the area.

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And although Charlie didn't have any issues at this time with authority, as in like he

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wasn't necessarily a troublemaker, his classmates would sometimes push Charlie into anger, and

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essentially he was known to get very angry when agitated or provoked.

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And they thought it was funny.

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Oh, hilarious.

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It's hilarious, yeah.

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It just pushes fucking buttons.

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Pushes buttons, and sometimes Charlie would slam things into walls like chairs or books

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or bang his fist on tables out if it's a frustration.

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God, it sucks.

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It's just always on the surface, right?

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Other than that, no major huge outbursts or signs of violence.

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After Aaron and Charlie met at Sonic, Aaron and Charlie started seeing each other almost

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every day.

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They would spend hours with each other while Aaron would be at work, as it was basically

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the only time that they could hang out with each other.

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Yeah, because it's not weird if a teenage kid hangs out at Sonic all day, you know, whatever.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Aaron knew that her parents would not approve of her seeing anyone let alone a boy that

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was a few years older than her, and especially someone like Charlie.

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I mean, the dude goes by Hillbilly.

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Oh, he's a Hillbilly.

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I was like, here, really, get down here, be the boy out of here.

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I was telling the story to Cliff the other day about an old high school friend of mine

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who was really, really drunk, and I just remember, I mean, Dad caught us walking through the

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neighborhood and he pulls up in the truck and he goes, get in the truck.

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That boy's drunk.

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It was so funny.

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And I was like, Dad has the farthest thing from like a southern accent.

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I know.

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It was just so, it was so forceful.

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You know, like it was funny.

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Aaron would eventually approach her parents about seeing Charlie, even if it was nothing

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more than keeping Charlie from her parents.

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Like, essentially, like Aaron's such a good kid, she just couldn't keep it from her parents.

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She's like, oh, me and this boy have been spending time together.

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She essentially just couldn't lie about her, like, to her parents about it.

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Although Aaron's parents were immediately weary of their only daughter seeing an older

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boy, they felt that if they were to completely block her off from seeing Charlie that she

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would continue to do so anyways.

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So in order to keep a watchful eye on Aaron, the couple agreed to allow Charlie in their

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home on occasion, as long as Aaron's parents were also there in the home to watch the two.

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I mean, that's the best you can do in that situation.

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You can't, like, if they're right, if you say, I forbade you from seeing this boy, then

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it's like, she's going to just do it in secret.

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And then she's going to start lying about stuff and then that could escalate very quickly.

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But also, you can't be like, oh yeah, we love this guy, bring him over all the time, you

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know, because then that could escalate.

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Maryam, yeah.

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Often Charlie would come around the family home, sometimes to help Aaron's brothers

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build bonfires in the backyard or just help around the house.

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But most often, the family would have to sit down dinners.

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Quickly, however, it was noticed by Aaron's parents that Charlie almost always walked

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into the home, very nonchalantly.

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He would regularly plop down on the family couch, making himself at home, putting his

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feet onto the family furniture or draping his legs over the arm of the couch.

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Uh-uh.

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Yeah.

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I'd be like, get this no good, you bliery.

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Regardless of the uncomfortable nature of Charlie's behavior, Aaron's parents did not stop their

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daughter from having Charlie over some nights of the week.

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The one rule, however, was that that was to remain in place strictly was that Charlie

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was not to be over after 9pm.

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Okay.

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Sure, Charlie would head home after 9pm, but Aaron and Charlie would talk on the phone

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until all hours of the night.

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This would be in opposition of Aaron's phone curfew.

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And although it looks like this is kind of a slippery slope for Aaron and Charlie, Charlie

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actually began attending church with Aaron.

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After all, it wasn't uncommon for Aaron to share her faith with others and eventually

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inspire others to join the church as well.

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And this was also recognized by Aaron's parents that maybe they were finally warming up to

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Charlie just a little bit.

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At least he's willing to go to church with them.

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Shortly after Charlie began attending the family's church, Aaron would approach her

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parents about returning to public school.

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It had been some time since her and her brothers had been homeschooled, and if she and her

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brothers were able to attend public school, Penny, Aaron's mom, would finally be able

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to work again.

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She's like, I'm doing this for you, mom.

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I'm doing this for you, mom.

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The couple would agree, and halfway through the school year of 2007, leading into 2008,

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Aaron would begin attending the local public high school.

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And how old is she around this point?

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16.

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16, yeah.

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Aaron, a freshman and Charlie, a senior, would often be seen in between classes, holding

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hands and overall expressing PDA.

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He was a senior?

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He was a senior.

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This is also public displays of affection for people that don't know what PDA stands

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for.

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This may have been unacceptable in Aaron's family home, but this was nothing new to the

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eyes of public school.

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She was feeling more and more free to express her and Charlie's relationship as time went

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on.

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Aaron's parents also agreed to allow Charlie and Aaron to go out on a few dates alone,

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with the understanding that Aaron would be home by a certain time.

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Well, wouldn't you know?

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What do you think kids do when they go out on dates?

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They don't show up on time.

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Well, they sleep together.

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Sometime after Aaron and Charlie had sex for the first time, Charlie would give Aaron

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a promised ring, saying that he intended to be with Aaron forever.

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But it's hilarious.

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Aaron was elated, but when she broke the news to her parents, they were less than enthused.

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Aaron's parents promptly told Aaron that she was to return the ring as they believed

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that the ring represented Charlie essentially claiming Aaron.

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They did not like that.

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They disagreed with it.

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They did not like it.

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Insisting that this meant that she was taken by Charlie and it was more of a statement

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of ownership, they just didn't like him.

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They just didn't like him.

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They didn't think that it was okay for Aaron to just promise herself to this older boy

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who doesn't have a shit together.

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You know.

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Yeah.

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I mean, he's also a kid.

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Again, Aaron was just 16 at the time and Aaron's parents told Aaron that her time with Charlie

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was essentially to be limited again.

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They were like, we don't want you to see him as much, even though they're barely seeing

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each other.

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Charlie would only now be allowed to come over once a week.

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Aaron confided in friends and other members of her family that she was planning to run

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away once she turned 17, which not a lot of people notice that you are a legal adult

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at the age of 17 in the state of Texas.

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I was able to sign a lease.

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That's crazy.

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I know.

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That's 17.

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I was able to sign a lease.

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That was like my really bad, terrible ex too, so I was really grateful when we broke the

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lease because I legally wasn't responsible for it.

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He was.

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LOL, peace.

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Tensions in the house continued to rise and in one argument, Penny actually got so frustrated

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with Aaron that she slapped her daughter.

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Not very Christian of you, Penny.

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Not very Christian of you, Penny.

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Aaron continued to see Charlie at work and school and was sometimes, he was sometimes

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allowed to come over.

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However, she continued to break her phone curfew.

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When she would be caught, Aaron would incur more restrictions.

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First she lost the ability to use her own car, then her phone, and she was to ride with

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her parents to and from school every day, which was probably like the worst thing ever.

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Yeah, and work too.

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And work, yeah, absolutely.

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Like, they just want to make sure she wasn't going to run away.

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I mean, she already told family members she was running away.

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Yeah.

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Eventually, Aaron's parents would revoke all of Charlie's visits to the house.

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Aaron and Charlie would begin to confide in friends that they were incredibly unhappy

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with the situation developing between them and Aaron's parents.

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They considered themselves to be star-crossed lovers and began to plot to not just run away

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together, but maybe even if Aaron got pregnant, her parents would have to agree to them eventually

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getting married.

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And if they don't, we'll just kill them.

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However, the conversations would quickly turn to plans of murder.

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For the entire month of February, the couple told friends of their intention to kill Aaron's

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parents.

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They told people for a whole month and no one said a thing.

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They were to take all of the valuables in the home and flee the area together.

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Friends would agree that at this time it was likely all talk, but when Penny headed down

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to the local library, she did something that we all take for granted nowadays since we

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have such an ease of access for things.

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She essentially Googled, and then I put in parentheses, Ask Jeeves.

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Do you remember Ask Jeeves?

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I do remember Ask Jeeves.

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I finally got one of your references.

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Pre-Google.

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So, yes, Penny, the mom, Aaron's mom, she went down to the local library and she essentially

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Googled or asked Jeeves, Charlie Wilkinson.

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She was like, I'm gonna look this dude up.

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He's about, see what his family is about, all this shit.

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And he's just wicked famous and he's gonna be all over the internet, right?

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Yeah, by the handle, hillbilly though.

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So she asked Jeeves, Charlie Wilkinson and came across his social media page or his

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Myspace.

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The page contained shared content and posts that made Penny uncomfortable.

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Charlie would share pictures or memes, I guess, they weren't memes at the time, but pictures,

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that were related to sex and drugs.

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And some post that seemed to describe him having sex with Aaron.

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Like he was like, yeah, I got that tonight.

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She clutches her pearls.

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She clutches her pearls, she gasped.

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That was it.

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Penny and Terry had had enough.

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They forbid Aaron from seeing Charlie any longer.

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But the reaction that they received, they didn't expect.

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In a shocking turn of the conversation about the breakup, Aaron began to break down and

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cry.

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She stated that she had in fact wanted to break up with Charlie and that things were

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just getting too intense for her.

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She felt like he was being, that she was being controlled by Charlie at this point of their

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relationship and that his behavior had become concerning and erratic.

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She knew that he wasn't good for her.

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Aaron and her parents had never had a troubled relationship before between the three of them.

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And with Charlie, it was kind of like he was the common thread.

490
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:20,080
Like this whole thing is the reason that they're not getting along.

491
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:26,080
Now being handed the excuse to break up with Charlie by blaming her parents, Aaron agreed

492
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,960
that she would break up with Charlie.

493
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,280
March 1st, 2008.

494
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,920
In the early morning hours, Tommy Gaston, an elderly neighbor of the Cafes, would be

495
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:43,920
shocked to find a bloodied man crawling through his property towards his house.

496
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,280
I'm sorry.

497
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:52,680
Tommy rushed over to the man, quickly realizing that it was Terry Café.

498
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:59,720
He had been shot five times in his shoulder, his back, and once in his head.

499
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:05,120
Tommy immediately called 911 as he attempted to render aid to 41 year old Terry Café.

500
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:09,920
I just pictured like, we live in a cul-de-sac, I just pictured like any one of our neighbors

501
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,160
in like that same state.

502
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,280
I'm like, oh my god, how fucking scary.

503
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,120
That's terrifying.

504
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:19,800
Police would soon arrive and when they approached Terry asking what happened to him, Terry said,

505
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,480
quote, they're all gone.

506
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,920
Charlie Wilkinson shot my family and quote.

507
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,560
What?

508
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,360
The phone.

509
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:35,400
Terry had crawled 500 yards from the Café home, so naturally the police went to the

510
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,040
Café's home to secure the scene.

511
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,080
When the police arrived at the Cafés, they immediately noticed smoke and flames coming

512
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,640
from the home.

513
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,960
Firefighters fought the blaze through the day and eventually night fell, but unfortunately

514
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,280
so would the home.

515
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,520
It was completely reduced to the foundation.

516
00:26:54,520 --> 00:27:01,400
Then the home was the remains of Penny, 13 year old Bubba, and 8 year old Tyler.

517
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:07,040
Meanwhile, mere hours after Terry told police that Charlie Wilkinson was the perpetrator

518
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:12,160
of this crime, police were able to ask around and locate Charlie.

519
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,600
He was reportedly staying at a friend's house.

520
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:21,000
Police busted in and found Charlie passed out on a mattress lying next to a firearm.

521
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,880
Sorry, just passes out with the murder weapon.

522
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,560
It wasn't me.

523
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,560
You have no proof.

524
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,040
Yes, he was laying next to this firearm.

525
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,800
Thankfully he was taken into custody without incident.

526
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,280
He's lucky he didn't get shot.

527
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:44,040
When police asked where he was all night, Charlie claimed that he had no recollection

528
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,280
of the night before.

529
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,680
I got drunk, bro.

530
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,680
Convenient.

531
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,560
I conveniently got drunk, bro.

532
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:50,560
Yeah.

533
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,640
He insisted that he stayed with his friends all night long partying.

534
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,680
After Charlie was removed from the friend's house, a search warrant was issued in order

535
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,640
to continue to search the property.

536
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:06,720
There at his friend's house, cowering in a closet, was a crying, dishevelled Aaron

537
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,840
Caffey.

538
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,600
Aaron also claimed that she had no recollection of what transpired over the last few hours,

539
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,040
even claiming that she had no idea where she even was.

540
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,920
A likely story.

541
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,560
Police were convinced that Aaron was the victim of a kidnapping, after Charlie had just killed

542
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,880
her entire family.

543
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,360
Now in a hospital room, Aaron told police what she did remember.

544
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:36,760
She remembered waking up to smoke and gulfing her room.

545
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,040
She remembered seeing two men standing in front of her holding swords dressed in all

546
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,040
black.

547
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,040
It's always two men.

548
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,040
It's always two men.

549
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,040
It's always two men.

550
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,840
And they're made up stories.

551
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,000
She remembers attempting to call her friend, Charlie.

552
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,360
She remembers being ordered on the ground by these men and being forced to then drink

553
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,920
something.

554
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,440
Her next memory is being at Charlie's friend's house, although she was like, I was just at

555
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,680
that house.

556
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,200
I'm saying Charlie's friend's house.

557
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,320
She didn't say that.

558
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:12,880
She further stated that she believed that these individuals were still after her.

559
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:18,320
Others recalled that Aaron didn't even smell like smoke, which kind of didn't support

560
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,200
her their belief that she was an actual victim.

561
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:26,920
Yeah, if anyone's ever been God forbid near a house fire or even a bonfire, that

562
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,040
shit sticks in your hair for days.

563
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,040
Yeah.

564
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,400
And especially when she was like, I woke up and I was engulfed in smoke.

565
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,160
Yeah, that wouldn't check.

566
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,600
Police were not present when it was revealed to Aaron that her father had in fact survived

567
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,880
the attack, which is a regret the police would eventually have.

568
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,880
Charlie was in custody when he was told that Terry Caffee had survived the attack.

569
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,280
And although he didn't immediately admit that he was the attacker, he did admit that

570
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,720
Aaron was in fact involved with the attack and the one who orchestrated the murders.

571
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,440
So why would the father say that he?

572
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,440
Okay, go ahead.

573
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,440
What?

574
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,240
Why is the dad saying it's Charlie?

575
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,120
Is he trying to cover for his daughter or is she just the mastermind?

576
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,120
You know what I mean?

577
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,120
Go ahead.

578
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,120
Yeah, you know, you know.

579
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,760
The listeners know what I'm talking about.

580
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:22,560
Charlie had employed a friend's brother, Charles Wade, to help kill the Caffees.

581
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,840
He promised Charles Wade $2,000 to help him.

582
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,040
He's like, Aaron says there's a lot of money in this house, so we're going to kill the

583
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,040
parents.

584
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,040
Yeah.

585
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,800
We're going to take the money and I'm going to pay you $2,000 to help me do it.

586
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,400
Like I was like, worth it?

587
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,560
He's like, oh yeah, you bet.

588
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,280
Of course they couldn't use Charlie's truck since it was well known by the family and

589
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:49,180
the neighbors, so they then asked another senior named Bobby Johnson to give the three

590
00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:50,400
a ride around that night.

591
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,400
Bobbie Johnson.

592
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,640
She is, she's a Bobbie Johnson.

593
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:53,760
Bobbie Johnson.

594
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,200
Bobbie Johnson.

595
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:04,280
Bobbie would eventually be questioned and she claimed she had no knowledge prior to

596
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,140
this that this was the intention of Charles and Charlie.

597
00:31:07,140 --> 00:31:14,760
Bobbie, Charlie, and Charles went to the Caffees' home around 1.30 a.m., picked up

598
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,080
Aaron, and drove around a while while they came up with a plan.

599
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,320
It's with this point, Bobbie knows.

600
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,440
When asked why he agreed to kill Aaron's parents in the first place, Charlie said,

601
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,960
quote, I ain't got no conscience.

602
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,280
I joined the army to do whatever needed to be done without thinking, end quote, and

603
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,480
quote, I intended to kill them because I thought I was in love, end quote.

604
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,720
You're so deep, bro.

605
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:39,720
Yeah, you're so deep.

606
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,720
I ain't got no conscience, but I'm in love.

607
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,120
It's essentially what he said.

608
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,120
I ain't got no conscience.

609
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,120
You love put me in the unconscious.

610
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,120
I don't know.

611
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,120
I don't rap.

612
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,120
Just drunk on love.

613
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:55,840
Aaron and Bobbie stayed in the car while the boys walked inside.

614
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,640
Charlie was to kill her parents, but Charles was to kill her brothers, as Charlie claimed

615
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,440
that it would be too hard for him to kill Bubba and Tyler.

616
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,440
Oh, okay.

617
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,920
Yeah, this is way too hard for me to do.

618
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:06,920
I don't have a conscience.

619
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:07,920
I ain't got no conscience.

620
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,400
I'm Peter Pankey.

621
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,520
Charlie snuck into the house and made his way upstairs.

622
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:20,560
He first attempted to shoot Terry and Penny, however, the gun jammed.

623
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,760
Charles was then able to take the gun and fix it and then handed it back to Charlie.

624
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:26,760
Okay.

625
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:27,760
Right?

626
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:33,280
Charlie then shot Terry and Penny several times, and although he believed Terry had died

627
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:38,360
immediately, Penny was still noticeably alive.

628
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,760
Charlie then retrieved a kitchen knife and slit Penny's throat, killing her.

629
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:50,800
Bubba and Tyler, Aaron's brothers, aged 13 and eight, were awoken by the gunshots.

630
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,280
When they entered the hallway to see what had transpired, they were in shock that Charlie

631
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,240
and another unknown boy were the cause of the noise.

632
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,560
They both rushed into Aaron's room, which had a lock on the inside of the door, and

633
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,760
the boys were able to lock themselves inside.

634
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,520
Charles and Charlie agreed that they could not leave without the boys, without them killing

635
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,880
the boys, since they had already seen them.

636
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,440
Charlie stood on the other side of the door, pleading with the boys to come out of Aaron's

637
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,120
room, ensuring them that he and Charles would not hurt them.

638
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,200
Oh my god, that's so sad.

639
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,040
However, this was a lie.

640
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:35,880
The boys would eventually open the door, trusting Charlie, and they, when Charlie and Charles

641
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:41,960
attempted to grab them, they were essentially fighting, trying to flee.

642
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,480
Charles would fire a single shot, killing Bubba instantly, before stabbing eight-year-old

643
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,400
Tyler to death with the same knife used to kill his own mother.

644
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,680
Charlie had grabbed a bag that was previously packed by Aaron, and the two had head back

645
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,040
to the car.

646
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,200
Charles and Charlie then returned to the home, opened the lockbox that Aaron claimed was

647
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,480
full of money.

648
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:08,920
However, with this and whatever was in Terry and Penny's wallet and purse, the total cash

649
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,240
taken was a measly $375.

650
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:14,120
Fucking worth it, huh?

651
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,120
They're idiots.

652
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,120
They're children.

653
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,840
Charles is like, half that's mine, you know.

654
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,840
Yeah.

655
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:19,840
You owe me $2,000.

656
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,080
How much more do you owe me?

657
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,080
Yeah.

658
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,640
Ugh.

659
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,480
When getting back into the car, Charlie recalls Aaron saying, quote, I'm glad that's over,

660
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,480
and quote.

661
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,160
Oh, what a monster.

662
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,160
She's...

663
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,160
I'm genuine.

664
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,160
I'm not sure.

665
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,160
I know.

666
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,160
I know.

667
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,160
I know.

668
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,160
Oh my God.

669
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,680
After driving around for some time, the four reached a friend's house where Charlie

670
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,200
and Aaron would have sex before falling asleep.

671
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,200
I...

672
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,400
Which is so gross.

673
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,400
That's so fucking gross.

674
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,880
Like, I think of Gypsy Rose.

675
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,760
I was just gonna say calm down Gypsy Rose.

676
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,760
Gypsy Rose and Nic Gaudezhan, for sure.

677
00:34:53,760 --> 00:35:00,160
Meanwhile, while Charlie is in the interrogation room, Aaron's toxicology reports come back

678
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,560
from the hospital.

679
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,800
She was negative for any sedatives or any potentially harmful substances that would

680
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,280
cause memory loss.

681
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,280
Aaron.

682
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:14,600
Aaron, Charlie, Bobby, and Charles would all be arrested within 24 hours of the murders

683
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:20,720
of Penny, Bubba, and Tyler Caffey, and the attempted murder of Terry.

684
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:25,040
Terry would stay in the hospital for just days before being released, sustaining only

685
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,880
a broken nose, fractured cheekbones, and minor nerve damage.

686
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:29,880
Wow.

687
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:30,880
That's incredible.

688
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,880
Incredible.

689
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,160
I was gonna say crazy.

690
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:38,280
Terry told Pamela Kalliff of Texas Monthly, quote, I remember the nurse coming in and

691
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,240
saying, Mr. Caffey, you can go home now.

692
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:43,560
And all I heard was the word home.

693
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,640
I thought, I don't have a home.

694
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,760
I don't have a family to go to.

695
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,680
And I remember weeping, just weeping uncontrollably.

696
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,240
I laid on my sister's couch for a few days, and that's when the despair hit me.

697
00:35:56,240 --> 00:36:00,200
I decided that I was gonna go back to my property and end my life.

698
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,800
I was gonna lay down and shoot myself right there on the spot where I lost my family.

699
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,160
I wanted to die where they died.

700
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,040
And then I decided, no, there's been enough bloodshed.

701
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:16,160
I'm gonna take all the pain pills they gave me, all the depression medication, the Xanax,

702
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,160
everything.

703
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,880
Drink me a bottle of Jim Beam, put a hose in the tailpipe of my daughter's pickup,

704
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,360
rent through a window, and just fall asleep and not wake up again.

705
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,600
So two or three days I pondered this, and somebody brought me a Bible and told me to

706
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,280
read the book of Job.

707
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:37,520
Well, I read this story countless times before, but when I read it again, it was almost like

708
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,600
I was there with Job.

709
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,400
He had lost everything, his whole family, all his worldly possessions, but he did not

710
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,800
lose his faith, and God blessed him doubly.

711
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,640
That turned me around, and it got me thinking that God might have a plan for me.

712
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,560
He didn't bring me through all of that for nothing.

713
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,000
I went back to our property as soon as I was better.

714
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,280
There was nothing left but the subfloor and the metal roof.

715
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,360
I spent days out there picking through the ashes.

716
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,000
I would get on my hands and knees and just dig.

717
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,520
I didn't find much.

718
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,800
A hot wheels car, a broken ceramic cup, a horseshoe shaped belt buckle that the kids

719
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,000
had given me for Christmas.

720
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,280
I ended up buying a used RV and I moved it back on my land.

721
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,080
Everyone said I was crazy for going back, but it brought me healing.

722
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,480
I put my RV right on the spot where my house once stood, and I stayed there for about four

723
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,640
months.

724
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,560
I was so stubborn I thought, I'll be darned if someone's going to run me off our property.

725
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,240
When I leave, it'll be when I'm ready and when God's ready for me to leave.

726
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:44,680
Some nights it was pitch black by the time I got home, and I had to work up the courage

727
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,760
to get out of my car.

728
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,280
I brought a 9mm pistol with me when I slept.

729
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,280
End quote.

730
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,280
Damn.

731
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,800
Terry would visit his daughter in jail twice a week leading up to her trial.

732
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,360
Terry would often keep the topics light, but once he started to process what had happened,

733
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:07,720
he began to ask Aaron several times if he was too harsh on her, if he and Penny were

734
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:12,680
good parents, overall looking for a reason for the crime, but Terry never seemed to get

735
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,960
a direct answer.

736
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,640
Aaron would be tried as an adult given the severity of the crime.

737
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,600
Her phone records showed that Aaron called Charlie several times on the night of the

738
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:27,040
crime, proving that she had every intention of not allowing Charlie to back out of the

739
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,040
plan that she concocted.

740
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,920
Of course, capital punishment in the state of Texas for first degree murder is the penalty

741
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,000
of death.

742
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:41,640
When discussing this topic in a letter to the Reigns County DA, Terry Caffee said, quote,

743
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,720
My heart tells me that there has been enough deaths.

744
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:50,680
I want them, in this lifetime, to have a chance for remorse and to come to a place of repentance

745
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,440
for what they have done.

746
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,520
Killing them will not bring my family back.

747
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,520
End quote.

748
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,760
What a fucking guy.

749
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,560
Straight up.

750
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,000
Bobby Johnson would plead guilty to being an accomplice to the crime and would ultimately

751
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,000
be sentenced to 40 years in prison.

752
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Whoa.

753
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,000
Yeah.

754
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,000
Straight up.

755
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Damn, I'd be fucking pissed.

756
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,000
This is piss.

757
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,000
Texas girl.

758
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,840
You motherfuckers took me to this fucking crime scene and now I'm in jail for the rest

759
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,840
of my life.

760
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,080
The thing is though is that they drove around for almost an hour while they were discussing

761
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,080
what they're doing.

762
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,080
That's true.

763
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,080
I just did it.

764
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,080
She could have been like, get the fuck out of my car.

765
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,080
What are you talking about?

766
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,080
But maybe they were like, we're gonna fucking kill you then.

767
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,080
Take your fucking car.

768
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,080
I guess so.

769
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,600
I don't know that point.

770
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,840
Charles Wade and Charlie Wilkinson would be sentenced to life in prison without parole

771
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,040
after pleading guilty to three counts of murder.

772
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,760
So they were like, we'll plead so you don't kill us essentially.

773
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:41,760
Pussies.

774
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,920
Erin pleaded guilty to two counts of first degree murder for the minimum of 42 years

775
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,080
to be served and will be eligible for parole when she's 60.

776
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,800
Wow.

777
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,600
Terry continues to be in his daughter's corner.

778
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:00,200
He was even seen holding hands with her throughout her trial.

779
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,960
Terry says about his daughter, quote, I think that she thought that Charlie was just blowing

780
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,160
smoke.

781
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,040
I don't think that she actually thought he would go through with it.

782
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,760
I know my daughter.

783
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,760
She cried one time when we were in my truck and I ran over a squirrel.

784
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,680
She's tender hearted.

785
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,440
No kids an angel, but I know what she's capable of and I know she's not capable of murder.

786
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:21,440
End quote.

787
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:27,600
I mean, yeah, he's a better man than I am, right, because I couldn't fucking do that.

788
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,280
But you also have to look at the facts.

789
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:31,280
She was involved.

790
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,400
You know what I mean?

791
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,040
She could do that because she did do it.

792
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:41,960
A lot of Bobby Johnson's testimony was about how Erin acted, what she said and did before

793
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,640
the crimes and after the crimes.

794
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,360
And even Bobby Johnson was like, she's a cold-blooded bitch.

795
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:55,720
She was straight up like in like had this indifference about what was occurring.

796
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:58,480
And then when it happened, she was like, oh my God, I just like can't wait to get out of

797
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,480
here.

798
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,680
Like I just I can't wait to be with Charlie.

799
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:01,680
Yeah.

800
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,280
Like she was just so like she didn't fully get what was going on.

801
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,160
It could have been a folly to do situation though.

802
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,080
Her spending so much time with Charlie and him putting it into her head.

803
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,080
Yeah.

804
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,000
That like that's the only way they can be together.

805
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,960
It might have been, you know.

806
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:21,360
Another bit of Bobby Johnson's testimony was that Charlie had asked several times,

807
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,640
are you sure?

808
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:23,880
Are you sure?

809
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:24,880
Are you sure?

810
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:25,880
And she's like, yep.

811
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:26,880
Yep.

812
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,600
Oh my God, that's terrible.

813
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,840
Terry still visits his daughter and is now remarried.

814
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,600
He has adopted his wife's three children and even had another child of his own.

815
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,120
Oh, that makes me happy.

816
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,760
He became a pastor and tells his story in hopes of inspiring others to seek forgiveness within

817
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:43,760
their own lives.

818
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,560
Oh my God, what a fucking guy.

819
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,960
I love this guy.

820
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:56,440
Aaron Caffey is now 33 years old and is currently residing in an undisclosed Texas prison.

821
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,440
Hornsville.

822
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,440
Yeah, down there.

823
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,440
Dilly.

824
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,640
Little bit of Dilly.

825
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:10,760
Besides Aaron's ADD, we haven't clearly spoken of a mental diagnosis surrounding this case.

826
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:17,880
But according to an article by popsugar.com, Dr. Leela R. Maga V. MD, who is a Hopkins

827
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,960
trained psychiatrist and is the regional medical director for- damn it.

828
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:23,960
Whoa.

829
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,320
Does she say that every time she introduces herself?

830
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,000
She's like, it's me.

831
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,600
Hopkins trained psychiatrist and regional medical director for community psychiatry in California.

832
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,840
That's what she says.

833
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:35,840
Beautiful.

834
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:36,840
We're leaving that.

835
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:37,840
Go ahead.

836
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,360
There are not overprotected children that, quote, oversheltered children are restrained

837
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,480
from exploring and understanding the external world freely due to parents' anxiety and

838
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,480
apprehension.

839
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,680
I'm going to get there.

840
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,120
She goes on to say, quote, children tend to have difficulty making decisions or speaking

841
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,720
for themselves when they are too sheltered.

842
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:03,360
They may exhibit anxiety and self-esteem concerns.

843
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,080
They may struggle with remaining independent and may additionally have difficulty handling

844
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,720
rejection and failure.

845
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:14,920
They also may be less imaginative and creative.

846
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,800
Well, when you don't have a lot of those decisions to make on your own as a child, how

847
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,160
do you make any of those decisions as an adult?

848
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,880
And then that leads to someone like Erin who is very clearly a follower of someone that's

849
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:27,880
capable of murder.

850
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:28,880
Yes.

851
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,360
Even if it was her plan, she's willing to go along with it because she hasn't really

852
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,600
made decisions like that outside of ever.

853
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:36,600
I agree.

854
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,840
I think that it's very much that her parents made her decisions.

855
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:40,840
God too.

856
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,360
I mean, that's also the thing is that God has this plan for her.

857
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,960
She doesn't have to do any of it.

858
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,800
God also gave you free will, but that just must be the way that she saw it.

859
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:52,960
Plus, she was so young.

860
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,960
Yeah, and really, really influential at that age.

861
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:56,960
I listen to.

862
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:02,720
Charlie, I mean, he, I don't know what's going on with him, but he definitely has some sort

863
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,440
of maybe personality disorder or.

864
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,360
Probably oppositional defiance.

865
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:08,360
That too, yeah.

866
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,400
Just given the fact that he wanted to go into the military so young, that was something

867
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,760
that he felt like he could be successful at because he probably really required that structure.

868
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,800
And unlike Erin, he'd had no structure probably.

869
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:26,360
You know, he was able to run about town and do whatever he wanted to do and would have

870
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,160
essentially, no one looking over him.

871
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,320
So it's kind of opposites attract at that point.

872
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:37,000
It kind of seems like he also kind of has this underlying sense of need for control

873
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,500
almost.

874
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:40,920
Not exactly sure where that would come from, but.

875
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,920
Yeah.

876
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:47,480
Well, maybe it is that kind of the opposite is like maybe he lacked control.

877
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,080
So he created control by controlling someone else.

878
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,080
That's true.

879
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,080
Yeah.

880
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,600
And Erin was easily controlled because of the situation she was already in.

881
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,280
It's kind of interesting because the whole thing is that she didn't want to be controlled

882
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,200
by her parents, but she let Charlie control her.

883
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,480
And I'm not saying that she's not responsible for this.

884
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:06,680
I'm not saying that at all.

885
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:12,440
I'm just saying that, like you mentioned, Folly and Do type situation, they both want

886
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,040
what the other has and has provided that by each other.

887
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,240
And it just gets so crazy out of control that they don't understand the gravity or the severity

888
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:22,080
of what they're experiencing.

889
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,580
She probably didn't understand two true consequences of any of that because she probably wasn't

890
00:45:25,580 --> 00:45:30,000
allowed to experience media that was like that or whatever in the household.

891
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,000
But you're right.

892
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:37,600
Like they're so young and like, this is teenage kids and they're in love or whatever.

893
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:38,600
We've seen it before.

894
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,400
Other people that are, they're so in love, they're willing to kill for it.

895
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,400
Yeah, like Ramon Fernandez.

896
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,400
Yeah.

897
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,000
Ramon Fernandez and Martha Beck.

898
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,600
Like Martha wanted that affection so badly that she was willing to turn the other cheek

899
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,400
when Raymond killed someone in front of her and she was willing to do it herself as well.

900
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,120
We've seen it a lot and it's unfortunate.

901
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,480
No one that loves you will make you kill people.

902
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,480
Just saying.

903
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:00,480
It's so true.

904
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,840
People that really truly love you care about your mental health.

905
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:03,840
Right.

906
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,160
They care about you and they want you to take care of yourself as much as they want to take

907
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,160
care of you.

908
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,160
So, yes.

909
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,160
Yes.

910
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,760
So that is Charlie Wilkinson and Aaron Caffee.

911
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,280
God, good case.

912
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,840
I've never heard that story at all, but it's very interesting always.

913
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,360
I mean, it's so tragic, but it's a very interesting case because it doesn't happen very often.

914
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,600
When it's a full, almost full family.

915
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:28,600
What is it called?

916
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:29,600
A familicide?

917
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:30,600
Almost a familicide.

918
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,600
Yeah.

919
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,240
Well, it's a familicide is usually when a family member is the perpetrator, like a Joel

920
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:35,240
Guy Jr.

921
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:36,600
I still think she is the perpetrator.

922
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,360
Well, I mean, yeah, I guess so, right?

923
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,360
Yeah.

924
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,360
Well, thank you guys for joining us for another case.

925
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,360
Yes.

926
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,360
Thank you to Vince for recommending that one.

927
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:47,360
Yeah, absolutely.

928
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,360
We will definitely get this out there for you guys to listen to.

929
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,040
Our Patreon members will have this one ad free.

930
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,760
And then, da, da, da.

931
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,260
Should I say it?

932
00:46:56,260 --> 00:46:58,400
Should I say not who I'm doing, but what we're doing?

933
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,400
Yes.

934
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,400
Okay.

935
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,400
Here's our plan, y'all.

936
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:06,960
I'm going out of town for two weeks, but the case that I am doing is a fucking doozy.

937
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,600
It is not even small enough to be a two-parter.

938
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,360
So it's going to have to be a three-parter.

939
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:17,040
So be looking forward to a three-part case coming out over the next three weeks.

940
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,240
Yes, you heard me right.

941
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:22,400
We are going to make you wait anticipation a week for each part, but it's going to be

942
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,400
so worth it, y'all.

943
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,640
It's going to be really, really intense.

944
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,360
And of course, we'll have mental breakdowns each week as well.

945
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,360
Yes.

946
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,640
Oh, I'm so excited.

947
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,600
I'm excited to just listen to you.

948
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:33,600
Oh my God.

949
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:34,600
It's going to be great.

950
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:35,600
It's going to be 60 pages.

951
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:36,600
Oh my God.

952
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:37,600
Okay.

953
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:42,600
And with that, we will see you guys on Monday with another mental breakdown.

954
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:43,600
Yes.

955
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:44,600
All right.

956
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:45,600
Love you.

957
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:46,600
Bye.

958
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:47,600
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959
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