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Hello!

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Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer.

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I'm Koa.

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I'm Kenna.

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How's it going?

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It's going okay.

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I feel a little lightheaded.

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I got an itch right before we sat down to clean the toilet, so I did that.

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And I was like, the sink's dirty.

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So I used another chemical to clean that.

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And I was like, the bathroom tile and the shower is dirty.

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So I used another chemical to clean that before we knew it.

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Mustard gas.

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Mustard gas.

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Not really, but I'm good.

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Yeah, it's on the other end of the house and I can smell it in here.

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Yeah.

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Cute.

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It's great.

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My nostrils are burning.

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Cute.

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Let's see if we can get through this.

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Yes, absolutely.

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I don't think I have anything right before you get started unless you do.

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I don't.

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No, not at all.

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I had a decent salad for lunch today.

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That's about it.

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There you go.

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This just in.

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This just in.

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You guys are also going to be hearing this a day late just because we had some plans

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come up and it was someone very special's birthday and we decided not to take away from

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that to record.

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So we're going to have this come out on Friday instead of Thursday.

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Would you like to give everyone our handles?

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Absolutely.

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You can find us anywhere on social media at Diagnosing a Killer with the exception of

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And yeah, I think that's it.

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Yeah, good job.

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Thanks.

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That sounded really profesh.

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Thanks.

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I'm excited to hear your case because all you've been talking about is how crazy it is.

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Oh my gosh.

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So I kind of knows this, but she doesn't know who it is.

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And I was telling her that I was reiterating a trial that I watched to my boyfriend, Cleef.

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And it was so twisty, so turny that he's like, why don't you just do that for the podcast?

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You seem like you know it by heart.

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And I was like, okay.

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Okay, that's a good point.

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Today, we're going to be talking about Joel Michael Guy Jr.

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Do you know who it is?

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I don't know.

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I kind of...

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Wait a second.

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Never mind.

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It's not who I was thinking.

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Not at all.

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Content warning.

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This episode contains discussions of self-isolation, distrust between family members, brutal murder,

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and abuse of a corpse.

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If this episode is not for you, we encourage you to check out another one of our episodes.

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Remember that your mental health comes first and we love you.

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Love you.

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Bye.

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So Joel Michael Guy Jr. was born March 13, 1988, to parents Joel Michael Guy Sr. and

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his wife, Lisa Guy.

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Joel Michael was the only child shared between the two, and Lisa loved having a child of her

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own.

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Joel Guy Sr. nicknamed Mike had previously been married and had three daughters of his

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own.

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Chandice and then Michelle and Angela who were twins.

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Chandice?

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Not Candice?

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It's...it might be Candice, but it's spelt with a C-H.

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So, it might be Chandice.

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Maybe it's Chandice, like, John...

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He's a nice lady, leave her alone.

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Lisa doted on Joel Michael.

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She was almost obsessed over every little thing that he did or accomplished.

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She collected swimming trophies or various awards and hung them all around the house

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for everyone to see.

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Family portraits adorned every wall showing this picture-esque type blended family.

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And by the time that Joel Michael was in high school, the girls, the daughters, had moved

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around a bit and they began starting their own young adult lives.

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The girls did have their biological mother in their lives, but Lisa was nothing short

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of an amazing mother to the three girls.

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Mike and Lisa's home was described as fun and full of life.

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The girls' biological mother had struggled as a single parent to provide for the three,

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often having dinner with no meat as meat was considered a luxury.

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It was too expensive.

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The girls would eat things like pasta or canned goods for dinner as that's all that was available.

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Mike and Lisa's house, however, was very different.

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The girls would stay with Mike and Lisa all throughout the summers and most holidays.

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They were always excited to visit as the kitchen table, the fridge, and the cabinets were always

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fully stocked with food.

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I mean, as a kid, you don't really know better.

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You know, it's not like I'm hurting anyone's feelings by wanting more food.

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You know, but as an adult, it's got to be hard to be like, oh, shit, like I feel really

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bad.

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I can't give them what they have elsewhere.

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Yeah, of course.

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And by all accounts, it seems like it's not like they had any animosity towards their

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biological mother.

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It was just that they kind of liked Mike and Lisa's a little more.

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And I can understand why, because you're a kid, right?

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You don't see it as, it's not the person, it's the amenities that you have when you're there.

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Exactly, yeah.

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So, of course, meat, fresh fruits and vegetable and sugary and salty snacks were always available

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at Mike and Lisa's.

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The whole family would hop on the family boat and would often take fishing trips in the

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summer.

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They got a boat.

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They got a boat, too.

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Like, Mike and Lisa were, they were doing well for themselves.

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The amount of love that Mike and Lisa shared was always apparent to the kids.

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They were often kissing, touching, and holding hands.

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And the girls were shown true love through Mike and Lisa's connection to one another.

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Sweet.

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There is one person within that home that did not seem to be connecting with anyone,

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however, and that was Joel Michael Jr.

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Oh, you guessed the name of the episode.

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Joel Michael Guy Jr.

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Yes.

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When the girls would visit for the holidays, Joel Michael would always be in his room,

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often going a full day without even greeting his sisters.

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What the hell?

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And what was the age difference in them again?

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I'm not entirely sure.

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I couldn't find it.

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Do you know if they were older or younger or you don't know at all?

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The three girls were much older.

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I think, I don't want to say much older.

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I feel like the twin girls, because there was Chandis and then Michelle and Angie.

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And Michelle and Angie were the twins.

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They were the youngest of those three.

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And they, I want to say maybe 10, 12 years.

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So it's significant.

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By the time the girls were in high school, he was still a baby.

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So he probably doesn't have anything in common with them and he's like, fuck it, they don't

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care anyway.

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Yeah, but I'm still your younger sibling.

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Even if it is 10 years, our mother and her sister are nine years apart and that was mom's

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baby.

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No, yeah, I'm saying in his mind, he probably is like, oh, what the fuck ever.

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He's not going to go say hi, but they should have maybe taken it upon themselves.

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Yeah, they're not going to say hi either.

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So yes, it was customary for Joel Michael to do this almost every holiday season.

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He would just like sequester himself into either his own bedroom or a guest room or

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whatever.

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That's not a good sign.

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So it was understood that's just how Joel Michael was.

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Joel would eventually graduate high school and now that they were sure that Joel Michael

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would go off to college, Mike and Lisa decided to move closer to Mike's hometown of this

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is such a silly name.

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And every time I hear it, I can't help but giggle a little bit.

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It's Segoinsville.

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Segoinsville.

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Segoinsville.

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But going.

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I'm so silly.

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It just reminds me of Sigourney Weaver.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, okay.

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Did she invent that stuff?

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Sigourney Weaver, Tennessee.

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Sorry if you live in Sigourney Weaver, Tennessee.

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Yeah, Sigourney Weaverville, Tennessee.

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There you go.

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So this is where Mike's sister and their family had lived growing up.

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And Mike's sister, in fact, still owned the property that their parents owned as she inherited

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it when their father passed away.

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The couple would move to Knoxville, Tennessee in a decently sized home with complete with

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kitchen, dining area, living room, and a few bedrooms and even a workout room.

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Although it killed Lisa to be so far away from Joel Michael, she knew that he needed

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to be pushed out of the nest a little bit, and he was residing in Louisiana at this time.

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The couple certainly wanted enough room for the kids to come and visit if they so chose

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to.

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Joel Michael, now having to make something of himself, stated his intention to become

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a plastic surgeon and announced that he would be moving to Washington, D.C. to attend George

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Washington University in the year 2006.

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And of course, his parents, especially Lisa, were in full support of this.

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As long as he was in school, Mike and Lisa agreed to help Joel Michael financially as

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long as his grades were high.

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After just one semester, however, Joel Michael would drop out of George Washington University

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and move back to Louisiana.

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Well, honestly, I was going to say before you said that he had quit after a semester,

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I was going to say, no wonder he chose a long ass fucking path of college because his parents

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were like, we'll pay for it.

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Exactly.

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Oh my gosh, I've seen that before in my personal life.

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People were like, oh, as long as I'm in college, my parents will pay my way.

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And I was like, OK, great.

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You went to college for 12 years for a four year degree.

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Exactly.

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Not naming names.

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Anyways.

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We both crossed our eyes at the same time.

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So he continued to try to support his own dream of being a plastic surgeon by attending

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Louisiana State University.

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However, he would not obtain his degree and he would drop out after just a few more semesters

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here.

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So like quitting a bunch of things very early on?

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Well, not college, but before, no motivation it seems like.

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And Homeboy doesn't even leave his bedroom.

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So the fact that he's like, I'm going to be a plastic surgeon, I'm going to get lots

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of money, that's just ridiculous.

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You could have virtually performed surgery or what?

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Yeah, exactly.

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He's really good at video games.

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He's probably good at surgery.

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He could probably do operation or something.

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It's just him in his room playing the game operation.

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Give me that degree.

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Mike and Lisa made good money at the time.

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Mike was a pipeline engineer designer and Lisa worked for Jacobs in engineering and

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human resources.

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Oh, wow.

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For almost 10 years, the couple continued to support Joel and Michael while he was living

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in Baton Rouge and the couple remained in Tennessee.

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The family would still have holiday gatherings over and over again over the years and Joel

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Michael would again sequester himself into a guest bedroom while the other family members

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enjoyed each other's company.

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This was the same every year until one year, 2016.

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It was announced a few months before the holidays that the couple had done it.

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They were finally going to retire and even a little earlier than expected and that would

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be come that December.

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Furthermore, the home that they settled in in Knoxville was placed on the market.

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Mike had had a dream to one day buy his old family home back from his sister.

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After all, she wasn't using the property.

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She had already had a home of her own.

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Mike wanted to buy it, fix it up and make it suitable for the couple to live out their

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days on a beautiful farm like property.

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Just mere weeks away from retiring, the couple's home finally sold.

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The two planned on packing and moving their things to the old slash new house throughout

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the holiday season.

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When invited for Thanksgiving by his mother, Joel Michael opted to sit this one out, saying

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that although he wouldn't attend Thanksgiving this year, he would like to attend Christmas.

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I mean, he wouldn't attend either way.

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Even if he was there, he'd be in his room the whole time.

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Or in another room the whole time.

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Yeah, exactly.

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This was told throughout the family and no one thought anything of it at the time.

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Michelle, her boyfriend and her three sons arrived at Mike and Lisa's house and was surprised

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to see Joel Michael's car in the driveway as he said he was unable to attend.

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She glanced into the backseat of the car and there she saw two rubber-made tubs with lids.

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No, no.

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Michelle thought to herself, quote, what a weird way to pack your things, end quote.

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But it was Joel Michael after all.

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He's already a weirdo.

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Yeah, I mean, I'm sure this isn't like a, oh, I can't make it.

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Surprise, I'm here.

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Surprise!

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I just had a trick to you.

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Yeah.

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Earlier in the week, Michelle's washing machine had broken and without a way to wash them

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and not being in a hurry since it was the holiday week, Michelle decided to round up the

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family's clothes and brought them to her parents' house in order to use the washer and dryer,

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which was located upstairs where most of the bedrooms and the workout station was.

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Side note, if you hear a bunch of noise in the background, it's because there's planes

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that fly over our house and for some reason a billion people are flying into San Diego

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right now.

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So true.

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We're not even kidding, it's been one every like 15 seconds.

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Yeah, it's a lot.

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And we can't keep pausing.

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I don't know, I guess it's like because it's early evening but also like, what?

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There's so many planes that are flying.

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Like, I get that the weather is getting nicer but like, yo, stop, calm down.

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Anyway.

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I thought that was another one.

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I don't want to have to keep pausing.

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I just want to go.

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As soon as she arrived and started bringing in her things, Michelle was instantly put

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off by the presence of Joel Michael.

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I mean, she knew that he was there but he was actually downstairs communicating with

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people.

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Huh.

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Michelle felt very strange about Joel Michael interacting with her sons.

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She had even made the comment that she believed that Joel Michael didn't even know her children's

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names.

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Yeah, that's how far removed he was.

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So it's like, essentially like, what the fuck are you doing here?

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You know what?

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You obviously don't keep in touch with any of us.

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Exactly.

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Joel Michael was almost peppy around her young sons, aged seven or eight, eleven or

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twelve, and sixteen and seventeen.

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So she kind of had a teenage son and then two kind of adolescent boys.

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Joel Michael offered to take the boys upstairs and show them some cool stuff.

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Look at all my weapons.

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Look at all my samurai swords.

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Look at how fast I can slice this bottle in half.

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I used to use this little gun when I was a prostitute.

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You ever used chapsticks before?

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I'm a pro at using chapsticks.

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He's just a weeb.

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That's what it is.

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He's really into anime and he wears like, kimono.

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Oh, there's another one.

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There you go.

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He's like, hey, check out my nunchucks.

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Check out my nunchucks.

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Check out the sweet fedora, my lady.

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The Michelle at this point was weary of the whole situation and she would often go upstairs

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to check on her boys while also taking care of the laundry.

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One of these trips upstairs, Michelle was changing over some laundry when all of a sudden

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she felt someone standing directly behind her.

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Absolutely not.

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And you already have a weird feeling and then that happens.

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I'd be like, get away, get away, get away.

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Over her shoulder, she saw Joel Michael standing directly behind her, blocking the doorway

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to the laundry area.

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She said later that he was so close to her that he was practically touching her with

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his body.

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That's how close he was.

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What the fuck did he want?

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This was extremely unusual as, again, Joel Michael is barely seen from family members.

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Michelle excused herself to get around Joel Michael and he did move from the doorway.

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A few moments later, Michelle checks on her boys yet again.

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Michelle could overhear Joel Michael telling the boys that they could have some of his childhood

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things.

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Beanie babies, video game consoles, alkylates that he had had throughout his life, toys,

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games, and even clothing.

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That doesn't sound good.

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Michelle thought this was strange even for Joel Michael.

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Mike was talking to his daughter outside in the family garage, known to be a hangout spot

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for the holidays so this is the dead.

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Mike expressed his intention to cut off Joel Michael after the couple retires and moves

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by the end of the year.

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There's another one.

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Should I just keep pointing it out?

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There's so many.

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I'm gonna be able to hear that in the car.

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I don't know if I'll be able to hear it on my phone, but I'll definitely be able to

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hear that in the car.

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Sorry, all.

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Michelle encouraged her father that he should cut off his now 28 year old son, moved to

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the farm, and live untethered for once.

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As Thanksgiving Day wound down to a close, Michelle wanted to do something that she usually

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does every year for Thanksgiving, which is get a picture of her parents and her kids.

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The five positioned themselves outside the home on the steps of the porch to take the

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photo, but Joel Michael would insist on participating as well.

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In the photo?

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The infamous photo is out there.

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You'll all on the internet if you want to see it.

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So I'm sure we're all thinking it.

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It kind of sounds like he's maybe getting ready to commit suicide or if he's planning

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on doing something that he can't come back from.

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Right.

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Yeah, especially with giving away his things.

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Yeah, that's a very interesting detail.

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Michelle would pack the kids in the car and pack their clothes in the car and would head

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back home.

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Meaning just the parents and Joel Michael.

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Friday passes, Saturday passes, and Sunday passes.

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Monday morning, November 27th, 2016, Jennifer Wided, which is Lisa's boss and friend, thought

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it unusual that Lisa did not show up to work that morning.

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Of course, it was unlike Lisa to not show up to work without notifying anyone, but even

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more so that this was her last week of work before she retired.

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Yeah, it's like why wouldn't she show up?

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This was a well-known fact throughout the department as well, and even some of Lisa's

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coworkers had planned a special lunch sending her like a send-off party for her.

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Immediately Jennifer phoned Lisa.

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When she did not get a response from Lisa via text or phone call, Jennifer then decided

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to call Lisa's husband, Mike.

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Mike too did not answer for several phone calls.

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At 9.30 am, Jennifer phoned non-emergency.

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Hi, yes.

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I have an employee that has not reported for work today, and I really am like her.

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I've checked off her home number, I've checked off cell phone and can't get a hold of her.

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What can we do about that?

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My name is Jennifer Lighted.

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And what type of name are you in?

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Jacobs, engineering.

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And what's the good comment for you guys?

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It is.

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And what's the employee's name?

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Lisa Guy.

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Her husband's name is Joel.

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Should he be there too?

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Did you live with her?

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Yes, he does.

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And I do have a dog named Jake.

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I think he's a big baby.

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Okay.

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I'll just call over officers, I'll explain my take on her, and if anything changes before

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then just give us a call back here, okay?

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Okay, great.

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Thank you so much.

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You're welcome.

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Bye bye.

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Bye bye.

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All I can think about is Jake.

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From State Farm?

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No, the dog that she mentioned and now I'm scared.

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So, as you can tell in the emergency call, Jennifer calls Mike Joel because Mike is

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a family name for Joel Michael Sr.

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Yes, I know, when I heard that I was like, wait a second.

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You're like, who's Joel?

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Like, wait, she's married to her son?

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That's weird.

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You ready?

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Yes, typical, you know, concerned friend or concerned employee.

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Officers Steven Ballard was dispatched to the residence.

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He noticed right away that there were cars in the driveway, but seemingly the property

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was quiet.

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He knocked several times on the front door and rang the doorbell, but was met with no

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response.

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He walked around the house and there he saw a small gate, a little taller than waist high.

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Out back he noticed a doghouse and whistled and called for the dog, but again was met

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with silence.

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Seeing that the gate had a padlock attached to it, Officer Ballard could not legally enter

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the backyard without probable cause.

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Officer Ballard left the scene.

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He then proceeded to meet up with a detective nearby to the location of the welfare check.

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Officer Ballard and Detective Jeremy McCord discussed Officer Ballard's findings, or

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lack thereof, and the two were starting to realize that everything just seemed a little

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too eerie.

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This was further compounded when Jennifer, still not hearing from the guys, called yet

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again to insist that something was not right.

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The two officers headed back to the location once again.

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This time, when at the front door, officers peered through the windows, noticing bags

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of groceries sitting on the other side of the door.

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In it were perishables like sausage, bacon, and ice cream.

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This was enough for detectives to realize that someone was clearly interrupted while

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doing the task of bringing in groceries and putting them away.

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It's like who comes home, drops off groceries, and then leaves the house before putting them

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away.

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Or takes a nap or something.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Or just hops in the shower.

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That doesn't happen.

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Furthermore, upon closer inspection, the door knob on the front door seemed out of place.

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There were scratch marks all along the outside of the handle, and the door was scratched

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up like the wood.

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The handle didn't look like a typical front door handle either.

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It was like a twist handle instead of like a knocker one.

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You know what I'm talking about?

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Okay.

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Or like what would you call that?

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Like a turn?

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I don't know.

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Like one with a lever, right?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Officers round the back of the house, hop the gate, and approach the back door.

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They immediately noticed that the back door's door handle was missing.

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What?

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And in its place was a hole where a door knob should be.

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Shut up so it was like put into the front door so that whoever had a key couldn't get

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in.

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Okay.

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Oh my god.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Detective McCord knelt down to peer into the hole.

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When he did so, he felt heat instantly like coming from the hole.

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Oh no.

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Along with a smell.

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A smell that was a mixture of all different kinds of things.

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Yeah.

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Spoiled groceries and probably death.

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All Detective McCord knew was that it wasn't a good smell.

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Yeah.

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Detective McCord was staring straight into the living room and he could see the other

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side of the front door where he, I'm using my hands like you listeners can hear like

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see me but I'm describing it to kind of, so when you look through the hole of the back

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door essentially the first kind of area you would be looking at would be kind of a, like

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a living area then it, you can peer straight down a hallway and then there's the front

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door as you can see the groceries from where he's looking.

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Oh my god.

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I'm just like imagining like an eyeball popping out from the other side.

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Like someone like leans over and looks right back at him.

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Cheapers, creepers.

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Oh no.

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So the right of the living area was kind of the kitchen, like it's kind of an open air

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kind of kitchen area.

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Detective McCord could see that there were black trash bags and gallons of chemicals

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sitting in that kind of threshold area.

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Probably cause.

503
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,760
The back door was unfortunately dead bolted so police could not enter through the back

504
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,800
door.

505
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,840
Backup is starting to arrive and it is now being reported as an increasingly concerning

506
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,280
circumstance.

507
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,760
Officers are able to gain access through the garage after finding Lisa's car unlocked

508
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,320
with a clicker in it.

509
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:02,120
The officers proceeded with caution as they entered the home through the garage door leading

510
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:05,200
into the kitchen area.

511
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,440
When the officers entered they began to call out hoping that someone wasn't in need of

512
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,880
medical attention.

513
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,520
Officers can faintly hear a dog howling somewhere in the house.

514
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,120
Okay, sorry relief, didn't have animal warning on there.

515
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,680
I know but you never know.

516
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:27,560
The house was extremely hot, not just that the AC was off but that the heater was on.

517
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:33,280
That was obviously intentional to increase the compensation.

518
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,920
Again furthering this, the oven was on high heat.

519
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,520
The top of the stove sat a cooking pot and the stove was on as well contributing to the

520
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,400
heat.

521
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:49,160
To the left of the entryway sat a small kitchen table like a gathering area.

522
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:56,880
On top of this table were two wallets, a hammer, pliers, some cash, and a woman's purse.

523
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,160
The wallets contained the IDs of Lisa and Mike Guy.

524
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:06,200
Through the living room and into the computer area it seemed unremarkable.

525
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,480
These rooms were immediately cleared by police.

526
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,240
Going back through the kitchen, cops noticed what appeared to be the original front door

527
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,880
knob.

528
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,840
Attached was a realtor's lock since the house had been for sale and the realtor had installed

529
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,280
it to shut off the home.

530
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:30,000
Police moved into the dining room where on the dining room table were long guns, rifles,

531
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,200
and knives.

532
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:38,160
The police are in the entryway now and here police can confirm the perishable foods have

533
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,280
also begun to rot.

534
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,440
Is this possibly where the strange smell is coming from?

535
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:49,040
Well, if you think about it you said Friday, Saturday, and Sunday so the groceries could

536
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:54,360
have realistically been bought on Friday and with the heat turned up that high they

537
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:58,240
obviously would have rot rotted or gone bad.

538
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,560
Let's hope.

539
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,280
Police began to head upstairs and the dog's howls are getting louder.

540
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:09,600
It isn't long before they realize the magnitude of this scene that they've stumbled upon.

541
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:15,680
As they ascend up the stairs they first notice spots, streaks, and eventually a pool of blood

542
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,480
at the top of the stairs.

543
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:24,600
There they see a pair of bloodied scissors lying in this pool as well as a pile of women's

544
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:25,600
garments.

545
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,480
A wedding ring lays near the clothing.

546
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,520
So it wasn't a robbery?

547
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:36,440
Certainly not, but more horrifying than that, Officer Ballard could see something at the

548
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:43,080
end of the hall, something that he was completely unprepared for.

549
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:48,480
At the end of the hall in the workout room, Officer Ballard saw a pair of severed hands

550
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,040
cut off at the wrists positioned on top of one another.

551
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,040
Okay.

552
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,160
It's fucked up.

553
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,800
Police immediately turn their attention to each room as they must be cleared for a potential

554
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,160
perpetrator for whatever has occurred here.

555
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,280
The master bedroom was almost completely undisturbed other than an industrial bottle of food grade

556
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,600
hydrogen peroxide sitting on the dresser.

557
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,320
The bottle was covered in blood.

558
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:22,600
Used and unused latex gloves were haphazardly strewn about the dresser.

559
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,400
Police open another bedroom to the left of the hallway, which appears mostly to have

560
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,240
been used as a storage room that had been ransacked.

561
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:36,320
On the right was the laundry room, one pile of clothes as if someone had changed quickly.

562
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,720
Down the hall, a bathroom.

563
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,840
Here police found blood all over the floor, flung on the walls.

564
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:50,320
Used gauze, bandages, hydrogen peroxide, rubbing alcohol, used and unused gloves completely

565
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,640
covering the sink.

566
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,200
Another pile of clothes lay here.

567
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,520
Police have now come to understand that the family beloveds dog Jake has been locked in

568
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,360
an adjacent room, but they don't know for how long.

569
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,720
Oh that poor guy was so scared.

570
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:15,600
You can hear him screaming for help.

571
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:16,600
It's so sad.

572
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,440
Oh my god he's probably starving and so hot.

573
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,680
Especially being upstairs, it's way hotter because he rises, right?

574
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,560
Down police have one more room to clear.

575
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,280
They make their way into the workout room.

576
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,640
This room was by far the bloodiest they've seen so far.

577
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,200
Workout equipment has been overturned, including a treadmill.

578
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,320
And of course the hands lying in the middle of the room.

579
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,640
However, police had yet to find a single person.

580
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,240
That is, until they check the master bedroom once more.

581
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,480
Within the master bedroom sat two rubber-made tubs.

582
00:29:54,480 --> 00:30:00,560
In these tubs, police would find arms, legs, feet, and torsos.

583
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,880
The problem is that police had no idea of how many people they were looking at, as everything

584
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,840
had begun to liquefy.

585
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,080
This is not just from a normal decomposition process.

586
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,600
Gallons and gallons of empty sodium hydroxide bottles were all around the tubs.

587
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,240
Oh my god.

588
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,320
Including industrial grade drain cleaners and toilet uncloggers.

589
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,840
This is like fiction.

590
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,720
It sounds like a movie.

591
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,800
It sounds like a movie.

592
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:36,840
Now knowing the horrifying truth, police left the residence and waited for crime scene technicians.

593
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,280
It was not until later that the forensics teams processing the scene would come across

594
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,040
another gruesome find.

595
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:49,560
Contained within the cooking pot placed on the stove was the head of Lisa Guy.

596
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:56,680
When you said it was on, I was like, I really hope that was just for heat.

597
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:57,680
It's fucked up.

598
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,840
It reminds me of Zach Bowen.

599
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,160
The Zach Bowen case.

600
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,040
Another find would present itself in the form of a backpack and the guest room containing

601
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,760
a notebook.

602
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,440
In this notebook was written, now bear with me, okay?

603
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:17,720
Because this is, it's the ramblings of a madman.

604
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,960
Get killing knives, quiet multiple.

605
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,240
Get carving knives to make small pieces.

606
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,360
Get sledgehammer, crush bones.

607
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,640
Bring blender and food grinder, grind meat.

608
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,920
Get bleach to nature proteins.

609
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,160
Get plastic bed for denaturation process.

610
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:45,040
Does not matter where they're killed, just get rid of bloody spots to prevent evidence

611
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,960
of time of death.

612
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,560
Not a mattress or couches.

613
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,160
Get rid of bodies inside house.

614
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:57,840
There in my DNA already there.

615
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,040
This next part was crossed out.

616
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,320
Open up doggy door to provide entryway.

617
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,320
He crossed that out.

618
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,320
He was like, oh, that's not good.

619
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,320
Can't do that.

620
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,320
Too fat.

621
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,760
I don't know what he looks like.

622
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:09,760
Straight up.

623
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:10,760
Straight up though.

624
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:11,760
Accurate.

625
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,680
Flesh chunks down toilet, not garbage disposal.

626
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,440
He says fucking chunks, bro.

627
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,000
That is so fucked up.

628
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,480
Get plastic sheeting for disposal process.

629
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,680
Get hollow, okay, this is another one that's crossed out.

630
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,600
Get hollow point bullets just in case, but oh no, no, can't do that.

631
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:32,600
You know why?

632
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:33,600
You know why?

633
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,600
Well, he'll tell you.

634
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,080
Will be seen buying bullets.

635
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:41,320
Just use computer room, gun, and then like a little arrow, check to make sure there are

636
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,320
bullets.

637
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,400
Parentheses, last resort.

638
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,640
This guy thinks he's doing something major.

639
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,920
Yeah, and he's like, you don't write all their fucking thoughts on the piece of paper like

640
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:52,920
that, do you?

641
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:59,520
No, he's just, this is where you can start seeing the arrogance of where he's at.

642
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,920
It's like so far he's completely self-isolated himself, won't interact with his family whatsoever,

643
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,520
but now you're seeing, oh, this guy is a narcissist.

644
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:09,520
He was plotting.

645
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:10,520
Yeah, exactly.

646
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,400
Because he thinks he can get away with it.

647
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,320
Writing it goddamn down on a fucking notebook.

648
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:22,000
He's not alive to claim her half of the insurance money, arrow, all mine.

649
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000
Ew.

650
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,000
$500,000.

651
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,000
All mine.

652
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,200
What makes you think it's going to you?

653
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,600
They have three other children.

654
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,640
Yeah, he sounds like a, he sounds like a villain.

655
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,640
Like, I mean he is, but you know, in this story, but not story.

656
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:39,640
You know what I mean.

657
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,680
It's like an Instagram post of someone's like a plate of food and it's like all mine.

658
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,680
Exactly.

659
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,480
It's like, all we're going to do is like sneak in the house.

660
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,720
We're going to grab the cash.

661
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:49,720
All mine.

662
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:50,720
Whoa.

663
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:51,720
Yeah, just what?

664
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:52,720
Gross.

665
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,200
Flood the house.

666
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,200
Okay.

667
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,240
Turn heater up as high as it goes.

668
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,240
Arrow.

669
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,280
Speeds decomposition.

670
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,280
Bleach reacts with luminol just like blood.

671
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,640
Douse area with bleach.

672
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,160
Big sprayer.

673
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,360
Lie.

674
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,600
Trash compactor.

675
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,960
Body gives time of death.

676
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,080
Arrow alibi.

677
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,560
Don't have to get rid of the body if there's no forensic evidence on the body.

678
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,680
All caps.

679
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,560
His fingerprints and DNA.

680
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,280
Minimize things I touch throughout visit.

681
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,840
Wear gloves and socks to prevent fingerprints and footprints.

682
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,080
Drop something down the garbage disposal to break it.

683
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,040
Get him on the ground fixing it.

684
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,040
Arrow.

685
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,960
Kill him with a knife.

686
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,560
Like he thought like, oh, I'll just.

687
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,800
Break the garbage disposal.

688
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,640
The way he's like under there fixing the garbage disposal.

689
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,440
But like how removed is that?

690
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,440
No, for real.

691
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,960
And he's like planning different ways.

692
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:52,960
Like, oh, this isn't worth it.

693
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,960
I'll do this.

694
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:54,960
If this isn't worth it, I'll do that.

695
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,480
He sounds like the Wiley Coyote.

696
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,640
Also dumbass because he's like leave no trace.

697
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:59,640
He left shit everywhere.

698
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,640
He left shit everywhere.

699
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:01,640
Literally everywhere.

700
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:08,760
I think they said after the forensics teams went in there, I think the main forensics

701
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,760
lady.

702
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:10,760
Her name's Sandy something.

703
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,000
I loved listening to her if you guys have a chance to watch the trial.

704
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,320
I loved listening to her.

705
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,000
But she was like, I don't think there's a single room that did not contain some type

706
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,000
of evidence.

707
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,000
Exactly.

708
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,600
And he's like, oh, my DNA is all over the house anyway.

709
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,600
That's great.

710
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,560
And that might be like circumstantial, but the fact that you probably have skin cells

711
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,760
inside the used gloves.

712
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:29,760
Yeah.

713
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,760
Like come on.

714
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:31,760
Oh, no.

715
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,760
You left them all there.

716
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,520
He's a bumbling idiot.

717
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,960
Clean up mess from him before she gets home.

718
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:37,960
Okay.

719
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,740
Like I'm just going to kill this man with a knife and I'm going to clean it up before

720
00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:43,400
she gets home from the store.

721
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,640
I'll leave it at that.

722
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,280
Kill her with knife.

723
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,960
This part was crossed out.

724
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:48,960
Kill dog after.

725
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,960
Okay.

726
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:50,960
But he crossed it out.

727
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:51,960
He's like, oh, nope.

728
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,200
Well, I thought he crossed that out, but these poor people, like what the fuck did they

729
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,200
do?

730
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,200
Yeah.

731
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,200
No, no, no, no.

732
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,200
Yeah.

733
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,200
He's going to kill the parents and just like kill the dog.

734
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,200
No, that's too extreme.

735
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,040
Leave alive and take dog with you.

736
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,520
No, no, that's too much.

737
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,440
That's too much.

738
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,640
Place her in shower.

739
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:12,040
Turn on hot water and point at her to get rid of forensics.

740
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,040
Point at her?

741
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,040
Yeah.

742
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:19,200
So I'll read the rest of the notes and then we'll discuss.

743
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,040
Remove her clothes and take them with me for disposal.

744
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,600
Place him in plastic bin and use it to get him into the upstairs bathroom.

745
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,240
So I guess he means put him in there and then drag him.

746
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:40,120
Get off his arm and plant his flesh under her fingernails, which makes no sense.

747
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:45,640
Place her hand with his DNA so that his DNA is not washed away by shower.

748
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:51,040
Use sodium hydroxide to destroy soft tissue and soften bones for transport.

749
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,080
Based one every hour to accelerate.

750
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,080
Flush sodium hydroxide down toilet.

751
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:04,200
Wash out bin and handheld shower head with handheld shower head and then direct handheld

752
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:12,200
into toilet to flush everything out of pipes and into public waterway.

753
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,080
Douse killing rooms.

754
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,100
Kitchen with bleach.

755
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:23,680
Place hair curler with flammable paper and flammable containers of gasoline in four locations.

756
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:29,920
His killing room, her killing room, his bathroom, her bathroom.

757
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,120
Wipe down areas near killing rooms and bathrooms.

758
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,960
Turn heaters up to 90 degrees to melt fingerprints and dry everything.

759
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:38,960
That's not how that works.

760
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,480
That's not how that works.

761
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,320
Set her phone to send me a text message late Sunday to prove that I was in Baton Rouge

762
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,520
and she was alive.

763
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,360
Leave through front door and wipe down doorknobs.

764
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:56,720
Center for flammable is set for Friday at 10 AM so they can't report it.

765
00:37:56,720 --> 00:38:02,520
Included also on this notebook was ultraviolet light shows fingerprints.

766
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:09,080
Check mail before leaving to get rid of blood use peroxide and bleach.

767
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:16,720
I don't know how he could possibly frame either of his parents after he...

768
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:17,720
Like what is he...

769
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:20,220
So that's why he was saving his dad's hams, right?

770
00:38:20,220 --> 00:38:21,220
He can say okay.

771
00:38:21,220 --> 00:38:27,040
He saves his dad's hands so that he could frame them.

772
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,840
But like are we...

773
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,280
Are you gonna mail in the hand after you plant the DNA?

774
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,280
Like what are you gonna do?

775
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,280
What are you gonna do?

776
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,280
How is that gonna work?

777
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,280
Also...

778
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,280
That's not gonna make any sense.

779
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,520
Also, wouldn't you just like set the house on fire and save yourself all this trouble

780
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,080
of having to clean up all this evidence?

781
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,080
Well that's kind of...

782
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:49,840
I guess that he is saying like set flammables for Friday but it's like when did...

783
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,680
I'm very interested to know the process in how...

784
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,520
What time frame this was him writing this?

785
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,520
Because it seems like he's got a lot of revisions.

786
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,640
Yeah, a lot of ideas.

787
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,480
A lot of ideas flowing here.

788
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:14,600
Not for nothing but like he thought of phone to send self-text on Friday or Sunday night.

789
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,320
You didn't think to send a text to send to the boss?

790
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,280
Because it shows that they're not coming to work on Monday morning?

791
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,280
Yeah right.

792
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,280
Like common sense.

793
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,040
I love that he iced out the realtor too.

794
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,760
He was like nah this bitch ain't getting in my house.

795
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:26,760
I'm gonna remove this doorknob.

796
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,720
Well he didn't want anyone coming in because with the realtor lock you can get that from

797
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:31,720
the realtor.

798
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:33,720
You don't have to be with the realtor and anybody can open it and get the key.

799
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:34,720
Yeah.

800
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:35,720
Could have been some strangers.

801
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:36,720
I just wanted to come see the house.

802
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:37,720
Yeah.

803
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:38,720
So you just like completely removed the doorknob.

804
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,880
He's like nope I guess I live here now.

805
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,880
This is so bizarre.

806
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:42,880
It is bizarre.

807
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:43,880
What the f...

808
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,320
What was the motive?

809
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,320
Like money?

810
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,320
Money?

811
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,560
Another page was solely dedicated to the chemical and biological compounds of the human body

812
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:58,280
including how much fat, water, protein and other matter contained in the human body.

813
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,320
He should have just become a fucking chemist.

814
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,600
Well, yeah.

815
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,320
He's clearly interested in that script.

816
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,240
He's really interested in that.

817
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:09,800
He's done the research ladies and gentlemen.

818
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:17,600
On the last page the notebook read her assets, her life insurance, $500,000, possibly more

819
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,680
with double indemnity.

820
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,920
With him missing slash dead I get the whole thing.

821
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,800
That's not true.

822
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,800
He sounds like what's that?

823
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,800
Whiplash.

824
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,400
What is Stanley Whiplash?

825
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,800
Snidely Whiplash from...

826
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,800
What's that guy's name?

827
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,240
I have no idea what you're talking about.

828
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:37,800
You know the guy went like that mustache.

829
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,800
He's gonna go and push a girl on a train.

830
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,800
You know, like that guy.

831
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:47,200
No, but it's like if the husband's missing and they think he might have had something

832
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,800
to do with the murder, that's still not gonna give anyone life insurance.

833
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:51,800
It's not.

834
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,800
No one's gonna get it because it's gonna be an open investigation, you dumbass.

835
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:55,800
It's true.

836
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:56,800
Yeah.

837
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:57,800
He does not think this through.

838
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:58,800
He's not right.

839
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,840
Also, if it's a murder, you don't get life insurance.

840
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,240
Especially when you're the one doing the measuring.

841
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,320
All other assets are joint.

842
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,160
Go to him if missing, unknown if he's dead.

843
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:17,120
His assets, including all joint property if missing, when he gets all joint property

844
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,760
also gets joint debt.

845
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,920
Boo, sad face.

846
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:27,320
Knoxville House, homeowners insurance possibly, but possibly worthless after fire.

847
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,760
Oh, $100,000.

848
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:39,000
Segoinsville House appraised up $400,000 plus, worthless with Mike's sister on property.

849
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,520
Her house, and of course it said her name, but the story's...

850
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,680
Her car, his SUV not paid for.

851
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,560
His boat, his old truck paid for.

852
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:55,480
His 401K, $80,000, possibly left after taxes.

853
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:01,640
He could possibly have savings and or other investment accounts.

854
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,640
This guy's an idiot.

855
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,280
So he's like, okay, cool.

856
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,240
Not gonna actually do anything to make money, like go to medical school.

857
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:10,320
Like I said I was going to do...

858
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,320
Become a plastic surgeon.

859
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,440
Kill my parents and all this hair and all this fucking money.

860
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:20,080
And then, I'm sorry, the fact that he mentions that the Knoxville House may not be livable

861
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:26,240
due to a fire and not due to the fact that two people brutally died in there is insane.

862
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:30,320
Like, no, oh, does it matter if this is where I killed my parents?

863
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,320
If there's a fire, it's just my damage to the house.

864
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,320
It might not be livable.

865
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,600
Well, what did he think was gonna happen because the house sold?

866
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:38,600
Yeah.

867
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,600
Could you imagine being those people?

868
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,240
You just close out on a house and like your dude will move in in like two weeks and the

869
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:47,520
previous owners were murdered.

870
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,040
I would drop my offer so fast.

871
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,000
You already fucking bought it.

872
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,360
Thanks for breathing down your neck.

873
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,360
No.

874
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,360
You gotta pay off a murder house.

875
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:55,360
Yeah, that's fucking awful.

876
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,000
I'm sure he had to do something.

877
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,640
He had something to do with that financially.

878
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,640
Like he had to pay restitution or something.

879
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:01,640
I'm sure.

880
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:02,640
And maybe that's what he's talking about.

881
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,800
Maybe that's why he wanted to light it on fires because he knew it was gonna sell or

882
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,600
that it was sold.

883
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,040
So but then how does that...

884
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,520
He's clearly not thinking.

885
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:13,520
Like he's dumb.

886
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,200
Like he didn't think of any of this.

887
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,320
I'm hurting my brain thinking about all the things he didn't think about.

888
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,000
Exactly.

889
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,280
Among other incriminating evidence, police found a Walmart receipt containing a date

890
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,760
of November 26th at 3.30pm.

891
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:35,080
The receipt was for bandages, gauze, hydrogen peroxide, and this was among other first aid

892
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,080
items.

893
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:42,520
Lisa's purse also contained a Walmart receipt from that same day, just three hours earlier,

894
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,080
meaning that she and her husband died between noon and three that day.

895
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,600
He's like, oh, I forgot some stuff.

896
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:49,880
I'm gonna go back.

897
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,360
Well, you'll sleep well.

898
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,560
It is assumed that Mike was murdered while Lisa was at the store, and upon arriving after

899
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:02,640
dropping off her groceries by the front door, she proceeded upstairs either by being called

900
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,680
or maybe heard something.

901
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,840
She was then attacked from behind while ascending the stairs, ultimately falling when reaching

902
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,240
the top.

903
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:15,440
During the attack, Joel Michael sustained stab wounds like to himself.

904
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,960
What is it we call that?

905
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,240
Not self-inflicted, but it was accidental from his.

906
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:29,120
Because we've said it before on the podcast, it's very easy essentially to get a self-inflicted

907
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,800
wound when you're the perpetrator because unfortunately this kind of grows, but the

908
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,600
knife gets slippery with all the blood.

909
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:40,360
So it's very common that the perpetrator injures themself by accident.

910
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,600
Yeah, absolutely.

911
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:47,360
Let's go to the Walmart to review camera footage, and at the self-checkout, the camera revealed

912
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,240
a man with a bandaged up hand making this purchase, all these bandages and shit.

913
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:53,240
Ripping blood.

914
00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:55,120
Yeah, he's like, oh, don't worry about mine.

915
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,880
Clearly I need this stuff.

916
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:03,240
The man was identified as Joel Michael Guy, Jr., but where was he?

917
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:07,680
Sure enough, police could just, I don't know, look at the fucking notebook and be like,

918
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:08,680
he's probably in baton rouge.

919
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,760
Yeah, the next page is where I'm going after.

920
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,200
My next step.

921
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:23,040
He had already paid off the rest of his year's lease and then some with his parents' card.

922
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,160
Like immediately uses the money that he stole.

923
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,040
He'd been going around purchasing shit for the last few days.

924
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,120
I'm pretty sure he even purchased the gauze and all that other stuff with his parents'

925
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,120
card.

926
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,920
Such a dick move.

927
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:39,320
During the autopsy, medical examiners couldn't determine exactly how many cuts were made

928
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,320
to each body given the deterioration.

929
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:48,280
Mike sustained at least 34 stab wounds and Lisa sustained at least 25 stab wounds.

930
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,360
That is so fucking overkill.

931
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,640
Like for what?

932
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:57,960
Like for 12 hours of spending money, like there's no way that this guy genuinely thought

933
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,840
he was going to get away with this.

934
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:00,840
I don't know.

935
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,400
And if he did, that's hilarious.

936
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,000
Which just makes me feel like maybe he didn't have any real world exposure to anything like

937
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,320
this because how do you not think of those things?

938
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,760
But that's how I want to say, I don't even know what the term would be.

939
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,720
That's just how ignorant he is, I guess.

940
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:24,920
Like the fact that he's so unlearned, you know, that he just really thinks that he can

941
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,080
just do a better crime than anyone else.

942
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:31,280
It didn't even dawn on him that his sisters might be able to testify and say, well yeah,

943
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,400
he was kind of weird growing up, he never spoke to us.

944
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,800
He clearly didn't care for our family like we did, you know, or whatever, our parents.

945
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:39,800
Exactly.

946
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:40,800
Ugh.

947
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,800
Although they were dismembered similarly, it was ultimately the decapitation of Lisa

948
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,160
and the brutality in which she was attacked that set them apart.

949
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:56,520
Lisa was stabbed so hard that she suffered blunt force trauma in the process as well,

950
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,160
resulting in nine ribs being perforated.

951
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,160
Holy shit.

952
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,800
So just like detached from, yeah.

953
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,240
Joel Michael Guy Jr. was charged with two counts of first degree murder, two counts

954
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:13,480
of felony murder, and two counts of abuse of a corpse.

955
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:19,920
Guy pled not guilty, but also tried to file a motion to be sentenced to death if he were

956
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:20,920
found guilty.

957
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,280
Of course, because he doesn't want to take accountability for his actions.

958
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,280
No.

959
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,200
He's like, I'm not guilty, but if you find me guilty, if you guys think I'm guilty,

960
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,200
just kill me.

961
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:29,200
Just kill me.

962
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,200
I'm in prison.

963
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,200
That's the narcissism.

964
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,200
Yeah.

965
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:38,340
In a somewhat strange trial that lasted just four days, the defense presented no exculpatory

966
00:47:38,340 --> 00:47:43,440
evidence that would exonerate Guy or even explain our reason behind his atrocious acts.

967
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,520
They're like, sorry dude, you're on your own here?

968
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,960
I mean, I don't know what to say, your honor.

969
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:49,960
My client did it.

970
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:50,960
Yeah, I mean.

971
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:51,960
I can't.

972
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:52,960
I literally can't tell you.

973
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:53,960
I can't.

974
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,240
We're more of just like a moral support for Mr. Guy.

975
00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:00,680
We're here because we have to be.

976
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:06,120
So yes, the prosecution did its thing and on the fourth day Guy was found guilty on all

977
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,120
six charges.

978
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:12,840
It was said that the sentence would be the maximum allowed by law, but before the judge

979
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:18,480
would sentence Guy, the victims, the family of Mike and Lisa, chose to participate in

980
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,480
victim impact statements.

981
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:27,600
Quote, my name is Alvin Medaire Jr. I'm the oldest brother of Lisa Guy and brother in

982
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,440
law of Joe Guy.

983
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,720
It's with a heavy heart and determined spirit that I make a statement to the members of

984
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:35,200
this court.

985
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,800
I am many things.

986
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:37,800
I'm a father.

987
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,120
I am a grandfather.

988
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,120
I'm a husband.

989
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,120
I'm a brother.

990
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,440
I'm an uncle.

991
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,920
And I am a son.

992
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,280
I have been blessed to see many wonderful things on this earth.

993
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,200
I've watched my stepstone grow to become a man.

994
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,640
I've been there for my grandchildren and I've watched them grow and to become little

995
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,000
people.

996
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,920
Your parents cannot see these things, Joe Michael, because of the crime that you've

997
00:48:58,920 --> 00:48:59,920
committed.

998
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:04,360
My sister, Lisa Guy, was one of the most loving, caring, and forgiving people on the face of

999
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,720
this earth.

1000
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:10,960
Her husband, my brother in law, Joe Guy Sr., was honestly one of the most down to earth,

1001
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,760
hardworking, unkind people I've ever met.

1002
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,360
They were the type of people who would help anyone at wherever they could.

1003
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,440
My sister was a type of person who loved deeply.

1004
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:21,920
She loved the family.

1005
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,160
She loved her mother.

1006
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,360
She loved her father, her sister, and I.

1007
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,360
Her husband.

1008
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,120
She loved her children and her stepchildren.

1009
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,200
She loved her grandchildren.

1010
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,920
Her love was taken.

1011
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,120
It was taken from this world by murder.

1012
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,320
My sister and brother-in-law loved family.

1013
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,240
They enjoyed holidays.

1014
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:46,480
Some of my favorite memories I have of her and him were from the holidays.

1015
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,440
We could sit around and tell fun and interesting stories.

1016
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,480
If my brother-in-law was an amazing storyteller, then our family holidays will never be the

1017
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,800
same without them there.

1018
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,560
Lisa and Joel were murdered.

1019
00:49:58,560 --> 00:49:59,720
They were butchered.

1020
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:01,480
Their bodies were desecrated.

1021
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,960
Their spirits were forever harmed.

1022
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,400
The loss of my family members will be forever eternal.

1023
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,000
I stand for them and their statement.

1024
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,960
Days after hearing of Joel and Lisa's murder, my mother was hospitalized, and she never

1025
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,320
exited that hospital.

1026
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,520
The loss of a child was a difficult one for her, one that I hoped that I never have to

1027
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:23,520
endure.

1028
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:28,720
But to find out that your daughter was murdered by her own grandchild was heartbreaking.

1029
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,320
She could not even attend the funeral.

1030
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,200
She was unable to say her final prayers.

1031
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:39,240
She was a Catholic, and she was unable to take communion at her own daughter's funeral.

1032
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:43,440
The next day, after we buried Joel and Lisa, my mother died.

1033
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,680
They fought to bring her back, but she truly died of a broken heart.

1034
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,680
There are three deaths on Joel Michael Guy Jr.'s hands.

1035
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:56,760
My grandchildren lost their grandmother, my stepson lost his grandmother, and I lost

1036
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,520
my mother on that day.

1037
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,200
I lost my family.

1038
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,480
My mother is gone.

1039
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:02,840
My sister is gone.

1040
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,000
The world has forever changed.

1041
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,680
The impact of this crime is notorious.

1042
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:12,320
My grandchildren's grandchildren will be able to read about this horrible, disgusting crime,

1043
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,160
and we will never be the same.

1044
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,160
Thank you."

1045
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,160
End quote.

1046
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,440
Litteral full body.

1047
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:19,760
Straight up.

1048
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,800
I got anxiety reading it.

1049
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,240
It was just, it's an all-encompassing statement.

1050
00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:28,560
It really is.

1051
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:36,040
And his, Mike's sisters speak, and of course the daughters speak.

1052
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,240
And but that, yeah, that was really intense.

1053
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:45,920
You know, and I was thinking during listening to that, we do so many of these cases.

1054
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,120
You know, I'm going to speak for myself.

1055
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,680
I'm not going to speak for both of us, but sometimes I get a little numb to the fact

1056
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:57,000
that people like lost their entire lives, you know, when we talk about it.

1057
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:03,960
And even during this case, like it's easy to like forget how impactful just one person's

1058
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:08,280
life is on other people, let alone two or the hundreds of victims that we've covered

1059
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,000
as far as, as long as we've done the podcast.

1060
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,480
Like hearing things like that just brings it back down to earth like, oh my God, like,

1061
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:20,960
and it makes me think of my family, you know, when we lost someone very close to us, that

1062
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:21,960
happened.

1063
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,120
When we lose someone very close to us in the future, that's going to happen.

1064
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:30,280
And I can't imagine it being as heinous as this and then having to deal with all that

1065
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,280
aftermath.

1066
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,520
The aftermath in itself is awful.

1067
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,760
You know, imagine it being caused by another member of your family.

1068
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:43,640
Yeah, and someone that like you're, I mean, you're supposed to trust family, right?

1069
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,480
And it's just, they did everything for him.

1070
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:52,160
The fact that Lisa, I'm not just Lisa, but Mike too, but the fact that she was so proud

1071
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,160
to have that baby.

1072
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:58,800
Oh, she was so proud to have him because they had already had the girls, but Lisa wanted

1073
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:04,440
a biological child, only biological child to do that to you.

1074
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,560
And with as much support as she tried to give him to.

1075
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:12,240
And the fact that he attacked her so brutally, you know, Mike senior fucking fought.

1076
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:15,560
There was, I mean, there was evidence of that in that workout room.

1077
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:16,560
He fought.

1078
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:25,000
And I think I want to say that the reason that Joel Michael was junior was as bloodied

1079
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,680
as he was, was because of his father.

1080
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,760
I think his father tried to kick his ass.

1081
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,640
I think he did.

1082
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:37,280
But Lisa, you know, literally being ambushed and then so brutally attacked.

1083
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:43,640
And then to not just like, let them be and further this ridiculous plan that you have

1084
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:49,360
that you're going to, you know, dissolve bodies and like flush, flush this them down

1085
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:50,360
a toilet.

1086
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,360
Yeah, it's horrendous.

1087
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,680
Like, I don't know.

1088
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,600
It's disgusting to even think about like, yeah, you're so right.

1089
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:01,080
He could have just committed this awful crime, which I mean, obviously if we had it different,

1090
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,080
he wouldn't have ever done it.

1091
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,440
But he could have just said, okay, you know, that's it.

1092
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:05,440
I'm done.

1093
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:06,440
And then leave.

1094
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,200
And then manipulate the crime scene, turn the heat way up.

1095
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,760
It's like, you're not fucking dexter.

1096
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:11,760
All right.

1097
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:12,760
That's what he thinks.

1098
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,120
He thinks he's like, yeah, he thinks he's this mastermind.

1099
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,880
He clearly didn't think much through and he spent so much time in his room by himself.

1100
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:26,480
He probably got a lot of a lot of his ideas from fictional TV shows and movies and didn't

1101
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,680
really do his research on like, I mean, he he left shit everywhere.

1102
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,880
Like he said, like he's like, oh, get rid of evidence, bleach.

1103
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,240
And then he leaves fucking eight pairs of gloves that he wore there.

1104
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:39,640
Oh, there was like no joke.

1105
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,960
There's probably at least like 50 pairs of gloves through.

1106
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,320
Why does he change love so much?

1107
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,320
I don't understand.

1108
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:45,320
I don't know.

1109
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,320
I don't understand.

1110
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:52,400
I think maybe he was trying to, I think in my mind, maybe he was, so the hydrogen peroxide

1111
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,320
bottle had blood all over it, one of them.

1112
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,680
He had many, but I think that it had blood on it.

1113
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,840
I think he poured that on his hands.

1114
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:03,760
And I think when he bandaged it, I think he was going to put gloves on over it.

1115
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:04,760
But he probably kept bleeding.

1116
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:05,760
You know what I'm saying?

1117
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:06,760
Oh, I see.

1118
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,080
But then he left all of his DNA of the blood.

1119
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,080
That's so funny.

1120
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:11,080
Yeah, he's an idiot.

1121
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,360
It's a horrible crime, horrible crime.

1122
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:20,040
Joel Michael Guy, Jr. was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.

1123
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,960
He has never been evaluated psychologically, yielding no explanation as to why he committed

1124
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,400
such an incredible act of callousness.

1125
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:33,040
In my opinion, and it's a humble one.

1126
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:39,160
It's just, as these people are reading their victim impact statements, he is sipping on

1127
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,160
water.

1128
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,600
He's looking around.

1129
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:48,840
He's got his hands folded on his chunky belly, and he's just like eating it all up.

1130
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:53,200
And it's just the only thing that comes to mind is psychopathy.

1131
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,000
It's the only thing that comes to mind.

1132
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,000
Yeah, narcissism.

1133
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,920
I think it's narcissism mixed with ignorance, which is so funny because narcissists would

1134
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,280
not like to be called ignorant.

1135
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:04,800
It's the irony.

1136
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:09,280
According to the National Institute of Health, psychopathy is defined as a neuro-psychiatric

1137
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:15,960
disorder marked by deficient emotional responses, lack of empathy, and poor behavioral controls,

1138
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:21,120
commonly resulting in persistent antisocial deviants and criminal behavior.

1139
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:26,200
Although there is no official diagnosis of psychopathy recognized by psychologists or

1140
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,200
psychiatrists.

1141
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,240
That sounds just like him, though.

1142
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:30,240
It really does.

1143
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:32,440
It's like, where the fuck did it come from?

1144
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:33,440
Where did it come from?

1145
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,160
I guess it's just the isolation.

1146
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,800
But it was purposeful.

1147
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,200
I don't think that his parents were like, you stay in your room.

1148
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,200
You know what I mean?

1149
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,200
He did it himself.

1150
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:48,520
I think he just like maybe, I don't know, maybe he did grow up feeling a little distanced

1151
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:55,080
from everyone else because his sisters were older.

1152
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,000
I don't even want to call them his sisters.

1153
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,880
His young ladies, the daughters, were, because I just fucked this guy.

1154
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,280
But the daughters were really, really close to them.

1155
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,000
And I think maybe he just kind of felt left out.

1156
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,000
That's definitely not an excuse.

1157
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,000
No, definitely not.

1158
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,800
It's almost like, sorry.

1159
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,320
Like maybe he felt distanced from them anyways.

1160
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,560
So he was like, fuck it, I'm going to lead into it.

1161
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:17,560
You know?

1162
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,880
Yeah, it's almost like the opposite of fallia due.

1163
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,240
It's like not shared psychosis, but it's like the opposite.

1164
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:26,880
You're so isolated that you start to make yourself go crazy.

1165
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,560
Like reading those notebooks is like, it's like someone's, yeah, like they're writing

1166
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,240
down every thought that pops in their head.

1167
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,960
Yeah, because it's, I mean, I wonder if he is like a journal or like if he was someone

1168
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,080
who liked to journal because he was so loudly.

1169
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:45,400
But it's like, yeah, it's like, let me write it down on paper and then I don't know, because

1170
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,200
it's the only thing you can talk to, I guess.

1171
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:48,400
Yeah, for sure.

1172
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,760
Joe Michael Guy Jr. currently resides in a Northwest Correctional Complex in Tiptonville,

1173
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:53,760
Tennessee.

1174
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:54,760
Tiptonville.

1175
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:55,760
The end.

1176
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:56,760
Dang.

1177
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,200
That was a really wild case.

1178
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:02,000
Yeah, it was definitely not what I was thinking at all.

1179
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,000
It was a doozy.

1180
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,000
It was a doozy.

1181
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,000
It was a doozy.

1182
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,600
Well, thanks for bringing that.

1183
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,640
We hope everyone's stomachs are okay.

1184
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:10,640
I'm starving.

1185
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,600
I'm pretty hungry too.

1186
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,520
I think that since this episode is going to come out a day late, we're just going to

1187
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,360
go ahead and give it to you guys ad free.

1188
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,680
Thank you for your patience and thanks for joining us for another episode.

1189
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:22,680
Yeah.

1190
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:23,680
Anything else?

1191
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:24,680
That's it.

1192
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:25,680
Okay, we will see you guys next week.

1193
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:26,680
See you later.

1194
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:27,680
Love you.

1195
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:28,680
Love you.

1196
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:56,680
Bye.