1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Welcome to Sins and Survivors, a Las Vegas True Crime podcast. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:05,000 I'm your host, Sean. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,000 And I'm your co-host, John. 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Join us each week as we delve into the underbelly of this vibrant city, 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,000 exploring its most unsettling true crime stories where the stakes are high 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,000 and the truth is often darker than fiction. 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,000 But this podcast goes beyond the crime scene tape. 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,000 We unravel the intricacies of domestic violence, 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,000 exposing the raw and haunting realities that echo through the city's streets. 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Sins and Survivors is available now wherever you get your podcasts, 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:50,000 because in this city of illusions, the truth is the darkest bed of all. 12 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,000 Hello! 13 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Hello. 14 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:11,000 Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer. 15 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,000 I'm Ka'well. 16 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,000 And I'm Kenna. 17 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,000 And we both have our voices back. 18 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Barely. Barely. 19 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:25,000 What you just heard was a trailer for Friends of Ours, John and Sean's podcast, 20 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,000 Sins and Survivors. 21 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,000 They are two people out of Las Vegas that we met at the con last year, 22 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,000 and they have since started their own podcast. 23 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:38,000 And I was fortunate enough to be a guest on their podcast recently, 24 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,000 and so we decided why not promote their podcast, because it's really great. 25 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,000 They focus on domestic violence, I'm sure, as you heard in their trailer. 26 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000 And out of Vegas, I think their tagline is, 27 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,000 What Happens Here Happens Everywhere, which is really cool. 28 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,000 I love that. 29 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,000 I love that line. 30 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,000 It's just, and it does give you kind of full body heat, 31 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,000 because it does happen everywhere. 32 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,000 It should be talked about and recognized. 33 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,000 So they're doing the work for sure. 34 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Absolutely. 35 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 Thank you again, John and Sean, for having me on, 36 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000 and go check them out anywhere you can get podcasts. 37 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,000 They are available there. 38 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,000 Yes. 39 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,000 So, it's been a month since we sat here. 40 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,000 Ew. 41 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Okay, well, it's gonna happen. 42 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,000 I sound fine right now, but it's gonna get to me, because, yeah, 43 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,000 we both lost our voices, so, gosh, okay. 44 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Left for the trip, we went to New York, Cliff and I. 45 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,000 Went to New York to go meet his lovely father, who is just, 46 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Ugh, he's a dream. 47 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,000 I love him. 48 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,000 And we were up there, and it was like day three. 49 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,000 I was dead to the world. 50 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:46,000 I got so sick, and from, I don't even know from where or when. 51 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,000 And by Wednesday, we left on like Sunday. 52 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,000 By Wednesday, I could not talk. 53 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,000 It was just at a whisper. 54 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,000 But I was in New York, and I'm in the upstate New York, 55 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,000 and it's so beautiful, and I wanted to see where he grew up. 56 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 And so, I definitely overextended myself going around, 57 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,000 and not only that, but it's like freezing. 58 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000 I mean, it's not really freezing when we went, 59 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,000 but it was really cold. 60 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,000 There was snow everywhere. 61 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,000 My nose is constantly running, but I feel like I forced myself 62 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,000 because I wanted to see everything before we left. 63 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,000 Of course. 64 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,000 And then I get back, and you get sick. 65 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,000 Not immediately, though. 66 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,000 We definitely got sick at different times. 67 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,000 We did. 68 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,000 So, you had been back for a week, but that whole week, 69 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,000 I had had a sinus infection. 70 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,000 I get sinus infections all the time. 71 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,000 Very common, very used to them. 72 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,000 But the sinus infection somehow got worse, 73 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,000 and it turned into the flu. 74 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,000 So, two weeks after you got back, I got diagnosed with the flu. 75 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,000 No, it wasn't even. 76 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,000 It was like two, three days. 77 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,000 And I knew that's why I knew it wasn't for me, 78 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:49,000 because you went to the doctor on what, Monday or Tuesday, 79 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,000 and we had gotten back on Sunday or Saturday. 80 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Either way. 81 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Either way. 82 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,000 And then I was like, I'm sick because I have a lot of things to do. 83 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,000 I have a lot of things to do, but I was like, well, shit. 84 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Now that you're feeling better, 85 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000 I don't want to sit in a small closet with you and get you more sick. 86 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,000 Exactly. 87 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Well, then a week goes by, I'm still sick, 88 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,000 and I'm like, what the heck? 89 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,000 So I go to the ER. 90 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,000 And I'm like, can you help me? 91 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,000 And I'm like negative for COVID, 92 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,000 negative for everything else. 93 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,000 But my chest was heavy. 94 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,000 I couldn't breathe. 95 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,000 And then I lost my voice completely. 96 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,000 So, obviously, the infection traveled to my larynx. 97 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,000 Sean and John, my voice is very, very bad. 98 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,000 It's not as bad now, but it's still there. 99 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,000 You can hear it. 100 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,000 So, now I just have to bear with us, 101 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,000 because we could not stand to not bring you more content. 102 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,000 We had to do it. 103 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,000 It's been plaguing our minds. 104 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Yeah. 105 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,000 And then after that, Cliff got sick. 106 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,000 It just, everybody got sick. 107 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,000 I mean, I was on the San Antonio Reddit and people were like, 108 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,000 is everybody else around me sick? 109 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,000 Yeah, no, there's definitely something going around. 110 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,000 And at the end of the day, 111 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,000 we need to make sure we're taking care of ourselves, 112 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,000 and also, I would not have been able to record last week. 113 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,000 Like, you wouldn't have been able to hear what I'm saying. 114 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,000 It's true. 115 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,000 So, we really needed to wait, 116 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,000 but we really appreciate you guys just being super open 117 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,000 and thoughtful and commenting and giving us your love. 118 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,000 That was really nice to not have to worry 119 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,000 that you guys were worried, 120 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,000 and you guys have been very gracious. 121 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,000 So, we appreciate it. 122 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,000 I think at one point, I even thought, 123 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,000 should we just type out a case for people to read? 124 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Just a transcript? 125 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,000 We can't sit here for an hour 126 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 talking about something when we don't have voices. 127 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 It would just annoy the piss out of everyone. 128 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 Oh, for sure. 129 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,000 Including myself. 130 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,000 We're gonna take it easy today. 131 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,000 Well, I will, because it's not my case. 132 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,000 It's your mental breakdown. 133 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,000 So, hopefully, we'll get through this one. 134 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Just bear with us for the next couple of episodes. 135 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,000 They're probably gonna be kind of raspy, 136 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,000 but we'll get back to 100% as soon as we can. 137 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,000 I would like to thank everyone that purchased 138 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,000 an upcycled garment from us as of late. 139 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,000 That is something that Ken and I are trying to be aware of. 140 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,000 More environmental, environmentally-conscious. 141 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,000 So, I think upcycled shirts was really the way to go for us. 142 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Upcycled hoodies. 143 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,000 I'm gonna try to look around for some upcycled bags. 144 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,000 I think bags would be cute. 145 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,000 But yes, those are at a discounted rate. 146 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,000 And then, if you come see us in July and Denver, 147 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,000 they're at even more of a discounted rate. 148 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,000 Yes. 149 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,000 So, yeah, absolutely. 150 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Check those out. 151 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,000 We have those on our Instagram posts. 152 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,000 Yeah. 153 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,000 Yeah, thanks for everyone that's purchased one of those. 154 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 And they are 100% unique. 155 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,000 So, every single style, every brand, every design 156 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,000 is all 100% unique. 157 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,000 There is not gonna be more than one of the exact same of those, 158 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,000 as opposed to our new merch that we buy. 159 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,000 They're all, they can be similar, you know, 160 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,000 and there's multiple forms of the same. 161 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,000 But yeah, thank you guys for continuing to support us that way. 162 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,000 I got some good feedback from LouisDAKLive episode. 163 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Everybody really appreciated the fact that he opened up, 164 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,000 and it can be a difficult topic to talk about. 165 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,000 So, thank you again, Louis, for being here for that DAK Live. 166 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:56,000 If you haven't checked it out, it is about ODD and ADD and ADHD 167 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000 and the difference between the three. 168 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,000 So, it's a very interesting case. 169 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,000 But yeah, I've gotten a lot of really good feedback from that episode with Louis. 170 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,000 Absolutely. 171 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:10,000 So, today, we are gonna be talking about seasonal depression. 172 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,000 Okay. 173 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,000 Or what is also known as seasonal affective disorder. 174 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Oh. 175 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,000 Sad. 176 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,000 Sad. 177 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,000 Okay, well, Watertown was the inspiration. 178 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Because it was, even during the day, the sun was like hazy. 179 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,000 And it's not that it's not sunny. 180 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,000 And it's not like it looks like it's gonna rain. 181 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 It's just the time of year. 182 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,000 Yeah. 183 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,000 It's bizarre to be. 184 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,000 It's like, I even asked Cliff, I'm so dumb. 185 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,000 I'm like, could I see the Aurora Borealis from here? 186 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,000 He's like, probably. 187 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:50,000 But it just was so hazy that I was like, man, seasonal depression must be a thing. 188 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,000 Yeah, absolutely. 189 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,000 I'm going to Seattle in a couple of months and I'm like, it's probably gonna rain the 190 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,000 whole time and it rains there all the time, you know. 191 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,000 So, we'll see. 192 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:03,000 Content warning, this episode contains talk of depressive symptoms and disorders. 193 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,000 If this episode is not for you, we encourage you to check out another one of our episodes. 194 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,000 Remember that your mental health is important to us and we love you. 195 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Love you. 196 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,000 Love you. 197 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Bye. 198 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Oh my God. 199 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Can't do the high pitch right now. 200 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,000 I forgot. 201 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,000 Love you, bye. 202 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Love you, bye. 203 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,000 Seasonal depression is also known as seasonal affective disorder. 204 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:33,000 In according to John Hopkins website, Hopkinsmedicine.org, SAD, yes, the acronym is sad. 205 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,000 Yeah, it's also sad earlier. 206 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Sad. 207 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:42,000 Quote, happens during certain seasons of the year, but most often fall or winter end quote. 208 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,000 The symptoms of SAD usually occur around the same time every year and also end around the 209 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,000 same time every year. 210 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:56,000 It is possible to have SAD during the spring or summer months, but this is statistically less likely. 211 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:01,000 SAD occurs more often in assigned females at birth and is rare for people under the age 212 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,000 of 20 to experience SAD. 213 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:10,000 Although early onset of SAD can start by 18 and the latest kind of onset of that would 214 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,000 stretch all the way into your 30s. 215 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:18,000 So, it's possible to show those signs or onset in between those ages. 216 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:24,000 SAD affects approximately 5% of people in the US or 16 million people. 217 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,000 Dang. 218 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:30,000 Another 10% or 33 million people may experience the winter blues. 219 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Yeah, I feel like that's me. 220 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Oh, same. 221 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:39,000 According to the American Psychiatric Association, SAD's symptoms include feeling sad or having 222 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:46,000 depressive moods, loss of interest or pleasure in activities once enjoyed, changes in appetite 223 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:53,000 or usually eating more or craving carbohydrates, changes in sleep, usually sleeping in too much, 224 00:09:53,000 --> 00:10:00,000 loss of energy or increased fatigue despite increased sleep hours, increased in purpose-less 225 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,000 physical activity. 226 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:09,000 And this would be an example like an inability to sit still or pacing or writing or maybe 227 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,000 in your case, coloring. 228 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,000 Yes. 229 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,000 Yes. 230 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:18,000 And then, the symptoms and speech, these actions must be severe enough to be observable by another 231 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,000 person. 232 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,000 Okay. 233 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,000 So, it's not just like a common, you're just like, man, you have a burst of energy or man, 234 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:29,000 you just can't stop being able to, you know, fidget. 235 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:34,000 Feeling worthless or guilty, difficulty thinking, concentrating or making decisions and thoughts 236 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,000 of death or suicide. 237 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:41,000 Although these symptoms are similar or even identical to depressive disorders, the difference 238 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,000 between winter and summer depression is that during winter depression, you may eat more, 239 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,000 sleep more and withdraw from social situations. 240 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:53,000 And in summer depression, you may eat less, sleep less and become more irritable easily. 241 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,000 That's interesting. 242 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Again, these symptoms must be noticeable changes in your sleep and eating patterns in order 243 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,000 to be considered as a part of seasonal depression symptoms. 244 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:08,000 The Cleveland Clinic says that you may be at higher risk of developing SAD if you have 245 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:14,000 another mood disorder such as a major depressive disorder or bipolar disorder, have relatives 246 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:19,000 with SAD or other forms of depression or mental health conditions such as major depression 247 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:26,000 or schizophrenia, live at a latitude far north or far south from the equator, there's less 248 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,000 sunlight during the winter in these latitudes, and you might live in cloudy regions. 249 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,000 Yeah, it's like, yeah. 250 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:39,000 The causes of SAD, seasonal depression or winter blues is not conclusively known. 251 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:44,000 However, it is believed that changes in your circadian rhythm may be a contributing factor. 252 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,000 When the winter nights last so long and the days are shorter, our bodies have difficulty 253 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,000 adjusting to that time change, essentially. 254 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Music 255 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:01,000 Born and brewed in Southern California since 1963, the coffee bean and tea leaf has always 256 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:06,000 been passionate about connecting loyal customers with carefully handcrafted products. 257 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:11,000 Their coffee master, J.I. Zaeus, only selects the top 1% of Arabica beans from the world's 258 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:16,000 best growing regions, giving customers the best quality product every time. 259 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,000 Whether you're looking for a dark roast to liven up your day or a soothing tea to relax 260 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,000 into the night, the coffee bean and tea leaf has it all. 261 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Click the link in our show notes today to access an exclusive offer and get sipping. 262 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Music 263 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,000 The opposite being for summer, when you're more likely to stay awake longer since the 264 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,000 days are longer. 265 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Scientists also recognize that the natural melatonin that your body creates during night 266 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,000 hours are likely to be produced during these longer night periods. 267 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:52,000 Serotonin levels also may drop when we're not exposed to sunlight for some time. 268 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:58,000 Vitamin D deficiency, excuse me, is common with people diagnosed with wintertime SAD. 269 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,000 An overall expectation of what the seasons hold may also contribute to the stress and 270 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,000 anxiety experienced by SAD patients. 271 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,000 Like they're dreading the season coming. 272 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Or it's like, you know, I know that a lot of people that get diagnosed with this might 273 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,000 have problems with their immediate family or family that they see over the holidays. 274 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,000 So that can be stressful. 275 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,000 It'd be like, oh my gosh, my whole family in the same room is going to be so stressful. 276 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,000 And then it can induce symptoms of that. 277 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,000 Right. 278 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,000 Or like having to figure out what you're doing with your kid during summer when they're 279 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,000 not in school and it's an added stressor because you still have to work full time. 280 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,000 Yeah, exactly. 281 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,000 As we see, SAD or seasonal depression isn't a joke. 282 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,000 It is often one of those things that can be tossed around in casual conversations. 283 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,000 But if you are someone you know are experiencing these symptoms, it may be time to seek help. 284 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:48,000 Treatment for SAD or seasonal depression can include cognitive behavioral therapy, 285 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:54,000 medication, spending more time outdoors or with loved ones during daylight hours, mind you. 286 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,000 Vitamin D supplements and even light therapy. 287 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Light therapy has been used since the 80s to help with seasonal depression disorders. 288 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,000 There are some conditions in which you should not use light therapy, so talk with your doctor 289 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,000 about treatment options. 290 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,000 If you are okay to for light therapy, usually the morning time has shown better treatment 291 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,000 results. 292 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,000 That makes sense. 293 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,000 I guess so, right? 294 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Because it like prepares you for your day. 295 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,000 Yeah, and then you don't have all that melatonin that's been like building up. 296 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,000 That's so true. 297 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,000 You know, because you just scared it off. 298 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,000 Yeah. 299 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:27,000 You scare off your melatonin with your serotonin and you're ready to go. 300 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,000 UV lights for light therapy use about 10,000 lux. 301 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,000 Not to be confused with lumen because lumen is what, isn't that so funny? 302 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,000 Lumen? 303 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Lumenol. 304 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,000 Like, well Dexter. 305 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,000 Yeah, lumen. 306 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Lumenol. 307 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,000 He's like, no relation. 308 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,000 That's cute. 309 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:47,000 Yeah, so lumen is what the bulb, like the power it contains, but lux is what it projects 310 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,000 onto a surface. 311 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Okay. 312 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,000 That makes sense. 313 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:56,000 So, 10,000 lux is what these UV lights usually produce or yeah, create. 314 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,000 A common light bulb is only a thousand. 315 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,000 So, it's 10 times the power of a regular light bulb. 316 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,000 I'm gonna blind you. 317 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Yeah, you have to wear goggles. 318 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,000 I bet. 319 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:10,640 Well, when my son was born, he had that ruby bellen count was low or something. 320 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:16,000 So essentially, he didn't have, he needed UV therapy to create more red blood cells. 321 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,000 Yeah. 322 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,600 So, he was in a little like baby, like tanning bed. 323 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,000 Yeah, he's like a little incubator. 324 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,000 And he had to wear these little goggles. 325 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,000 Tanning bed. 326 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,000 It was an infant. 327 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,000 It's terrible. 328 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,000 It's like a two-day old and he was wearing goggles. 329 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,000 Oh, that poor child. 330 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:38,000 A doctor may recommend sitting in this light anywhere between 10 minutes to 45 minutes 331 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,000 per day over the course of the treatment. 332 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:46,000 So, I know what I just said, but tanning beds are not a viable replacement for light therapy. 333 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:46,920 Yeah. 334 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,600 So, anything if you do that every day for the suggested amount of time, you'd probably 335 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:51,600 develop skate cancer. 336 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:52,600 Yeah, absolutely. 337 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,600 So, don't do that. 338 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,000 A healthy diet and exercise routine is always a good idea to help with sleep and wake patterns. 339 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,400 Again, this is not as diagnosing or caring. 340 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:06,400 This is more about what you might be expecting if you were to go through something like this. 341 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:07,920 Yeah, no, absolutely. 342 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:13,720 It's definitely helpful to just know about things like this because I kind of talked about 343 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,400 this on the episode I did with Sean and John. 344 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,200 You know, the more you educate yourself on something, the easier it is to manage that 345 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,120 if it does happen and hopefully it doesn't, but if you do recognize signs and symptoms 346 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:30,560 of that in yourself or in someone else, then it might be beneficial just to have that extra 347 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:31,560 knowledge about it. 348 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:32,560 Yeah, for sure. 349 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:37,000 I definitely think that I get into modes where I get so comfortable. 350 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,040 I don't know if it's necessarily comfortable in my bed or if I just don't want to leave 351 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,400 my bed, especially with the curtains closed. 352 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,400 Yeah. 353 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,600 I'm like, it cliffhates it too. 354 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,600 I'll be like, do you want me to open the curtains? 355 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:49,600 He's like, yes, please. 356 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:50,600 Victorian child. 357 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,160 Please, I need the light. 358 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:59,320 But it is very much, you know, another great suggestion was when you do your chores, make 359 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,480 sure that your windows are open, like your blinds are open. 360 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,200 So at least you're inviting some sun in. 361 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,320 So it's not really, yeah, even if it's not really necessarily a sunny day, you know, 362 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:13,240 if you're walking around the house doing chores or if you need to type up a resume or you need 363 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,520 to whatever, make sure that your laptop or your computer is next to a window. 364 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,760 So you have access to that even if you're not, you know, in the most social mood. 365 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:22,760 Yeah, for sure. 366 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:27,200 I find even doing like the little things for yourself makes me feel specifically like so 367 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:33,000 much better, you know, getting up and taking a shower like can be so taxing sometimes. 368 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,760 But I feel so much better after I do it. 369 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,040 I'm like, oh, I'm clean, you know, and I don't have to worry about it or my coloring. 370 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,920 I've been really into coloring lately. 371 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,880 As soon as I got sick, I ordered three coloring books on Amazon and all these markers because 372 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,160 I was like, first of all, the craft weirdo, like I like all the stuff crafting and I have 373 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:49,160 to have like a variety. 374 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,600 She has these felt markers that are like silk. 375 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:53,600 It's crazy. 376 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:54,600 They're amazing. 377 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,120 But I knew I was going to be stuck in bed and stuck in my room for a while. 378 00:17:57,120 --> 00:17:58,160 And so I ordered that. 379 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,400 And now that I'm gooding through the sickness and I have less free time, I'm still using 380 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,080 the little free time I have to continue coloring because mom made a good point. 381 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:10,400 She's like, it uses a different part of your brain because it's the creative part and that 382 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,000 can, it's been actually really helping my anxiety. 383 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,000 Yeah. 384 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,000 I'm kind of the opposite. 385 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,760 It's like, well, I don't know if it quiets that same part of your brain that coloring 386 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,840 quiets, but that's me with trials and true crime. 387 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,960 If I'm constantly, if I have it, even if I have it in my headset and I have it turned 388 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,160 almost all the way down, it's like, it quiets the voices. 389 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,160 That's so terrible. 390 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:32,160 It quiets the voices. 391 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,320 But I don't mean that in a bad way. 392 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:41,520 Yeah, it quiets all of that anxiety that loops through my brain and it gives it linear purpose. 393 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,000 No, for sure. 394 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,040 And it's definitely not going to be the same for everybody. 395 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,760 Like that might work for you, but for someone else, like maybe even me, like getting all 396 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,120 of that true crime content constantly would be overwhelming for me. 397 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:57,040 Like I would get more anxious, like constantly getting that feedback. 398 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:01,920 Literally in the Alec Murdov murders right now and I'm at the medical examiners parts 399 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,360 and I'm learning a lot. 400 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:08,840 The medical examiner was like, this is a beautiful example of, I'm sorry, no, not beautiful. 401 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:09,840 Not beautiful. 402 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,760 I'm so sorry, forensically speaking. 403 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:13,760 Laughed. 404 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:19,080 He, it was, and again, this isn't to be crude or crass, but the medical examiner was talking 405 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:25,200 about Maggie Murdov's autopsy, essentially. 406 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,280 And you know, of course they had crime scene photos. 407 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,920 They don't broadcast any of that stuff, so you just see the prosecutor or the medical 408 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:38,240 examiner describing the photos, not necessarily showing the photos because those are only 409 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,240 for the jury, right? 410 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,120 And of course, like let's, we have morals. 411 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:48,120 So the medical examiner was like, okay, so there's essentially what happens with a gunshot 412 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:53,400 wound or a bullet wound where it pushes through the skin and they call it skin tagging. 413 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:54,400 Okay. 414 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,240 It sounds pretty graphic. 415 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:03,200 And so they went to the next slide and it was Maggie Murdov's head wound and he said, 416 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:09,680 see here is a beautiful example of, and immediately he was like, I am so sorry. 417 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,200 That is not, I mean, her whole family sitting in that fucking horror room. 418 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,760 And Hush fell over the room and Hush fell over the room. 419 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,360 He goes, I am so sorry. 420 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:22,920 I meant from a forensic standpoint and an example of this is, oh how embarrassing. 421 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,160 But it's again, person to person. 422 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,520 He probably thinks that it's beautiful because it is so cut and dry and it's so easy to 423 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,200 determine what happened as opposed to maybe something else that's like really, sorry, 424 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,840 pardon my language, but like more messy, right? 425 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,400 And then not as easy to determine what happened. 426 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:39,400 Exactly. 427 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,680 So I know he wasn't trying to be like, you know, in sense. 428 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:42,680 Oh, I like it. 429 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:43,680 Yeah. 430 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,080 No, but I can totally get that. 431 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,720 So, but that's, I mean, that's why I want to do that. 432 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:49,720 Yeah. 433 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,680 Because I do find stuff like that fascinating too. 434 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:52,680 For sure. 435 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:57,480 Anyways, always consult with your doctor about your SAD symptoms and please do not start 436 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,720 any treatment on your own without a consultation. 437 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,360 If you or someone you know is struggling with depression, you can always reach out to the 438 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:09,280 National Suicide Lifeline at 988 for information and resources. 439 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:14,040 And of course, if you are experiencing an emergency, always dial 911-999 or your local 440 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,000 emergency service number. 441 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,000 For sure. 442 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,000 I also just want to head through this in there. 443 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:25,400 People that, again, educating yourself, right, making sure that you're taking the steps to 444 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,040 potentially prevent this from happening. 445 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,680 Again, we're not licensed to diagnose. 446 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,800 We're not licensed to give medical advice. 447 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:35,880 However, personally, what I like to do is if I know that something's coming up that, 448 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,360 for example, like Sunday scare me, the Sunday scaries, you know, people have experienced 449 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:42,000 that I will prep my day on Sunday. 450 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,000 The Sunday scaries? 451 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,000 You never heard of that? 452 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,000 No. 453 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,000 Oh, okay. 454 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,560 So the Sunday scaries is essentially like you have so much fun on the weekend and 455 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,640 like towards the end of the night on Sunday, you start to get really anxious about your 456 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:52,640 weekday starting. 457 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,640 Oh my gosh. 458 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:54,640 That's so interesting. 459 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:55,640 Oh yeah. 460 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:56,640 I have it every week. 461 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,800 I bet the Germans have a word for that. 462 00:21:58,800 --> 00:21:59,800 I'm sure there is. 463 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,920 What I like to do is prepare for that feeling because I know it's coming, right? 464 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,600 So I'll take a shower early. 465 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,440 I'll make sure that I hydrate myself, have plenty of water, plenty of downtime for myself 466 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,840 so that I can relax and I don't have to feel rushed to bed, you know, things like that. 467 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:19,840 So personally what works for me is just preparing myself to have that feeling so that when it 468 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:24,840 does happen, I don't, it's not as harsh as it could be if I wasn't prepared for it. 469 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:25,840 That's good advice. 470 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:26,840 Yeah. 471 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,840 Yeah, the Sunday scaries, you never heard of that? 472 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:29,840 No. 473 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,120 We're going to have to call them the seasonal scaries now. 474 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:37,080 So there are a few celebrities that have come out saying that they have S-A-D-E. 475 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,120 I go, ooh, like it's so cool. 476 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:40,120 That's interesting. 477 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:41,120 That's one of those things. 478 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:42,120 It's a beautiful celebrity. 479 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:44,240 Like celebrities are just like us. 480 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,240 Oh my gosh. 481 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:50,640 No, but that's really impressive for someone to be able to, you know, be open about that. 482 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:51,640 Yeah. 483 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:56,040 Brad Pitt has said that, quote, he was hiding from the celebrity thing, that he was smoking 484 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,840 way too much dope, that he was sitting on the couch and just turned into a doughnut. 485 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:00,840 Oh my gosh. 486 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,960 He added, quote, I used to deal with depression, but I don't know, not this decade, maybe last 487 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:06,960 decade. 488 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,080 But that's also figuring out who you are. 489 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,760 I see it as a great education as one of the seasons or a semester. 490 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,440 This semester I was majoring in depression and quote. 491 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,440 Ooh, the heat. 492 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,440 Oh my gosh. 493 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,840 But that's really good that he's learned how to kind of cope with it and recognize that 494 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,400 it's happening so that he can treat it. 495 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,400 It is interesting that he called it an education. 496 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,400 Yeah, it absolutely is. 497 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,400 Yeah. 498 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:36,800 J.K. Rowling has also said, quote, she suffered from severe depression and contemplated suicide. 499 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,760 Starting on her doctor's advice, she started cognitive behavioral therapy and after nine 500 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,640 months she overcame suicidal thoughts and her depression. 501 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,200 She said, quote, it's so difficult to describe depression to someone who's never been there 502 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,640 because it's not sadness. 503 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,480 I know sadness. 504 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:56,200 Sadness is to cry and to feel, but it's a cold absence of feeling that really hollowed 505 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,360 out this feeling. 506 00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:03,280 It's pretty wild to, I mean, you can't compare it to anything, you know, and it's very hard 507 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,320 to just shake it off. 508 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,960 Because some people say, oh, just shake it off. 509 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,960 It's not a big deal. 510 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,400 Yeah, I know it is a big deal and it's not as easy as just changing your mindset and 511 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:13,920 just forgetting it's there. 512 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,120 Like, you know, like it doesn't let you forget. 513 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:17,120 Right. 514 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:20,400 Gwyneth Paltrow believes that she too suffered from SAD. 515 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,080 Over the years after having each child, she noticed a correlation between the seasons 516 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,040 and her hormone changes. 517 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:31,080 However, experts believe that maybe she suffered from postpartum depression and the months the 518 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,760 children were born were contributing factors to that. 519 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,760 Yeah. 520 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:35,760 And that's a sense for sure. 521 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:40,120 Either way, she's never been officially diagnosed with SAD, but she's not the only one. 522 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:41,200 There's plenty of cases out there. 523 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,560 Yeah, there's a lot of celebrities that have come out and been very open about their depression. 524 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,560 Yeah. 525 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:52,560 However, I think in order to meet that specific criterion, like you have to meet to get sad, 526 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,480 then it might just be the difference in like a couple of symptoms, right? 527 00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:00,360 Or if it's chronic depression or if it's, you know, there's a bunch of different types, 528 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:01,800 MDD, things like that. 529 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,240 Even Adele came out saying that she prefers to live in LA because she says that it does 530 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,240 wonders for her health. 531 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,240 The sunshine is different than the UK. 532 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,240 I bet. 533 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,080 I mean, there's days here where it rains like two, three days in a row and I'm like, 534 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,080 okay, I'm kind of fucking over this. 535 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,080 You know, like I need some sunshine. 536 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,520 I'm gonna go walk outside. 537 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:16,520 Right. 538 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,520 But, um, yeah. 539 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:18,520 Without an umbrella. 540 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:19,520 Yeah. 541 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,280 Well, that's SAD, seasonal depression, or the wintery blues. 542 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,280 The wintery blues. 543 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,840 Thanks for bringing that. 544 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,000 I'm really excited to be back and chatting with you guys. 545 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,000 It feels good. 546 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,520 And please be on the lookout for our newest Patreon episode. 547 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,200 I know it's a few weeks late, but like we explained at the beginning, we were ill. 548 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,320 So we'll be releasing that as soon as we can. 549 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,280 And we're gonna get back on schedule, which means Thursday we're gonna have another case 550 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,120 come out as well. 551 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:45,520 And so on and so forth. 552 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,720 And I forgot it's a leap year. 553 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,200 So there is a 29th this month. 554 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,200 Yes, there is. 555 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,120 And if you haven't yet, please go get, go ahead and get your tickets for the True Crime 556 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:57,960 and Paranormal Podcast Festival that is happening July 12th through the 14th of this year in 557 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:58,960 Denver. 558 00:25:58,960 --> 00:25:59,960 Denver. 559 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:04,640 And I'll be there since and survivors will be there at a number of really great podcasts. 560 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,040 There's a bunch of new podcasts going this year too, which I'm super excited about. 561 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,200 So you guys continue to buy your merch. 562 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,560 Get ready for July. 563 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,360 It's coming up way faster than we think. 564 00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:18,520 It will be here before we know it. 565 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,160 And if you are not already on our Patreon, you can join our Patreon. 566 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,520 Tears one, two, and three all get access to ad free content. 567 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:31,600 Tears two and three get an additional bonus episode that is ad free and banter free at 568 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:32,760 the end of every month. 569 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,760 Yes. 570 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,680 You can also check us out on any social media platform at diagnosing a killer other than 571 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,160 X formerly known as Twitter, which is at killer diagnosis. 572 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,520 You can email us. 573 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:43,880 You can Venmo us. 574 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,520 You can cash out us. 575 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,040 You can paypal us. 576 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,240 Everything is at diagnosing a killer. 577 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,360 And I think that's it. 578 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:52,360 I think that's it. 579 00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:55,920 We will see you guys on Thursday with another case and hopefully better voices. 580 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:56,920 Yes. 581 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:57,920 All right. 582 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:58,920 Love you. 583 00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,920 Bye. 584 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:07,880 Whether it's your favorite browser or by app, listening to audiobooks with audiobooks 585 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,440 now makes it easier and more affordable to enjoy your favorite books. 586 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,920 Audiobooks Now subscribers receive their club price plan and includes other amazing deals. 587 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,800 Click the link in the show notes for an exclusive offer today. 588 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,760 Get audiobooks you love for less with audiobooks now.