Hello.
Welcome back to another DAK Live.
I'm Koelle.
I'm Kenna.
And I'm Louie.
Hey Louie.
Hey.
How's it going?
Pretty good.
I'm so excited to have you on the show.
Woo.
This is our, what, sixth?
Is it sixth?
Our sixth installment of DAK Live.
We are recording with Louie and you will tell everyone who that is in a second, but he's
in California.
Yeah.
We're recording with our other virtual DAK Live and we're really excited because the
sound quality is already great.
It is great.
How's it going, Lou?
It's going all right.
Yeah.
House California weather.
It is actually pretty, pretty nice.
I mean, it rained a day, but it was sunny by the time I got home, so it's not too bad.
Oh, yeah.
It sounds like Texas weather.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
It's all four seasons in one day.
Gosh.
It's going to be so cold this week.
It's already been cold today.
We had the huge cold front that came in probably two days ago and I mean, 45 mile an hour
winds.
Winds last night, which was bizarre.
It was wind.
Wind.
Two days ago.
But yeah, no, we could hear it howling in our backyard.
Okay.
The weather?
Yeah.
Well, do you want to explain to the listeners that are maybe new about what we do on our
Vicky Lives?
Sure.
We chat.
We chat with a guest and our guest is Louie today and I've known Louie.
Louie, how long have I known you?
16, 17 years?
Actually, yeah.
Well, right around there, I think it was 2004 since Louis first started hanging out.
Probably 20.
It's 20 years then.
20 years.
To be honest, it was probably 2001 when we met.
That's true.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
That's so bizarre.
I've known Louie longer than I probably know anybody at this point in my life.
Except me.
Kind of.
Sitting right here.
Other than family.
Yeah.
So cool.
D.A.K. Live.
We chat.
We talk.
We bond.
We do.
What am I missing, kind of?
I don't know.
We just, it's unedited, unfiltered, super raw.
Yeah.
I mean, that's why you're going to hear us moving around a lot, which you normally wouldn't hear
in our episodes.
We might hear us clearing our throats, we're exchanging a couple of drinks in the process,
you know, just super casual.
And I will say, I was just thinking about this.
We didn't tell anybody else that lives with us that we were doing a D.A.K. Live.
They probably think that we're just recording and we can pause, which we won't.
So if anyone walks in, that would have to be like, all right, get out.
We'll record your comment.
But yeah.
So it's definitely just a little bit different than what we do normally with our content.
And you know, usually it's super scripted, super, you know, casual, but also very uniform.
And, you know, rehearsed, not rehearsed, but, you know, it's, it's prepared for, right?
And this is necessarily not, and it's not even topic scripted.
Like we just kind of say, hey, would you like to be a guest on the show?
And here we are.
And now we're just going to chat.
Half of the time we're in our phones or reading out of the DSM-5.
So we're not doing any of that.
We're just hanging out.
That's true.
We have no idea what we're going to do next.
So can we figure out a topic to start us off with?
Sure.
Well, Louie, you got to tell us about yourself.
Oh, that's true, Lou.
You got to tell the listeners about yourself because we know you.
Well, let's see.
I'm in California.
I spent most of my childhood traveling around for some reason or another.
I was, let's see, I went, I met Quell when I was probably still going to Churchill in San Antonio.
I ended up there for a couple of, for a couple of years for some reason or another.
And she ended up, I think she was dating one of my friends and I met her one time just offhand.
Didn't really realize that I had met her until years later when we started hanging out.
When we went back and we're like, oh, wait a second, that was you.
We went to go see what was it, a Rocky Horror Picture Show?
The first time we went to go see something?
No, it was Holy Grail.
Oh, it was Holy Grail.
After playing Case and A, we were just talking about the Money Python series like two days ago.
Yeah, so funny.
Yeah, yeah.
So I think that was like the first time we kind of like hung out.
He ended up dating one of my friends and then it wasn't until, I don't even know how long y'all were split before.
We started hanging out again, I think, in 2009 and we and her dated in 2004.
So solid five years in between.
Yeah, that's true.
Dang.
And in the military, it was around 2009 when I got back to town.
Yeah, I didn't know that.
And Louie served in the Navy?
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah, Lou and I used to do this thing.
I was working at a snow cone shack and he was delivering pizza.
Oh my God, that's the best.
So I had the radio on, right?
Because, I mean, this is before cell phones had things like Spotify.
Yeah.
So the radio would be on and I would text him, go to, you know, one of 2.7, it's Journey or something, you know, or whatever.
Go to Jack FM.
Zombies is playing.
Yeah, or the cranberries.
Yeah, the cranberries.
Or feel it in the, what is it, feel it in the air tonight?
Tom Collins.
Oh my God.
Tom Collins.
Tom Collins is a drink.
He's a lesser known brother, Phil.
Yeah, so yeah, Louie and I have known each other for a really long time and what I love about me and Louie's friendship is that he lives in California now.
Louie, how long have you been living in California now?
So I moved back to California in 2012, right before the world ended.
So December 2012.
That's nuts.
Right before that.
Yeah.
I don't even feel like it's been that long because Louie's in town at least once a year, if not like three times a year.
So it's pick up where we last left off.
Yeah, definitely.
I have friends like that too.
That's the best friendships.
Now that, yeah, now that I'm doing a little bit better, I can go visit more often.
Like this last year, I think it was at least five times.
I was just there two weeks ago.
I'm going to be there in two weeks.
Well, that's awesome.
Hey, Louie, I wanted to ask, are you and Lisa planning on potentially going to Denver to see us?
You know, I know we haven't talked about it yet, but that's a very, it's possible.
It's possible.
Yeah, it's definitely a ways away, but I know that you guys were super bummed that you couldn't make it to Austin in August when we went to the first True Crime Paranoid Podcast Festival.
And I mean, you did way more, you know, even in California than a lot of what we were able to do.
So we really appreciate that.
Louie and Lisa are some of our biggest fans.
They've listened essentially almost since day one.
Yeah.
They've managed all of our content.
Louie is one of our top 1% Spotify listeners, which I love.
And Lisa has been incredibly supportive.
His mom, she's like the one that essentially gave us the bracelet idea.
She made us a bunch of bracelets.
So a few of y'all have definitely ordered from us and received a few of those bracelets just as giveaways just because she put a lot of heart into it.
And it was really heartwarming to receive all those from her.
She's a great mom and a great lady. I love her.
Absolutely. It's been really great to get to know her, of course.
And obviously to know you, Louie, I know that, I mean, you've known me since I was little.
Right?
But I don't really have many memories of you until at least the last couple of years, you know, just because of Qualinize age gap.
And I think when the podcast kind of started is when I really, we started hanging out more.
And then I was reconnected with old friends of hers that I hadn't talked to in a long time.
Well, I mean, consider your age. You were really little, little like I left in 2012.
Yeah, I was not little. It was a junior high school.
That's little, little to a 20 to a 26 year old.
That's true.
Yeah. Right now I'm like, oh, dude, it's nice.
It might not be PC, but I don't hang out with children. It's one of those things. It's like it's weird.
Well, I'm glad that you don't. We share that in common.
Actually, I work with children, but I don't hang out with them outside of Andrea.
Louis's sister is also a huge fan of hers.
Yeah. Yeah. I've heard that too.
Love, love spending time with Andrea. She's sweet.
Yeah, absolutely.
She's pretty obsessed.
Love it. We're obsessed with her.
So yeah, absolutely. I think it's still very bizarre when people say that they're like, oh, I'm obsessed with your podcast.
I'm like, people listen to our podcast.
Like, I still don't believe it.
It's so funny as that Ken and I recorded an episode last night because we're trying to get ahead of everything, right?
And I won't tell you what the topic is because it hasn't been released yet.
Yeah.
But I was at Black Rock Coffee today and I usually get the same attendant every time.
And so I ordered my usual and she came, I was listening to the gaslighting episode that had just come out.
And I was listening to it in the car and I always feel so terrible because I never...
I say in the morning slash afternoon if I've been laying around the house, I get in my car,
I'm just wearing a hoodie and like some jammies essentially.
And I go through the drive-thru and she always asks me, how's your day going?
And I always say, it's just getting started.
It's like one in the afternoon.
And she said, oh, well, do you have any plans for the rest of your day?
And I said, actually, I have a podcast.
Let me just tell you what's on my mind for you.
And Kenna definitely talks about the podcast probably 100% more often than I do.
I do.
And so I was like, I have a podcast.
And she's like, a podcast?
What's it about?
It was like psychology and true crime.
She goes, true crime.
I love true crime.
Of course.
She goes, but I binged a bunch of true crime at one point and I started getting really paranoid.
And I said, you're hilarious because we just...
Let's talk to her about that.
We just recorded an episode about that.
And so she was like, no way.
So I gave her a card and everything.
But I forget that just in that interaction, there is some joy that some people get when
they're like, true crime.
I love true crime.
And then we talk about the psychology and people are invested.
And I like that.
But I just never think.
I guess, I don't know.
I don't know if it's that I'm bashful.
I'm not necessarily modest about it.
It's like, it just doesn't...
It's important to me, but I've said this before on the podcast.
I'm not a podcast listener.
I don't listen to podcasts.
I think that might be where it comes from.
A little bit of maybe imposter syndrome of maybe not being as educated on other podcasts.
So you don't want to bring it up because people are going to be like, oh, what are the podcasts
you listen to when you're like...
Still going to happen.
What?
I don't listen to those.
And I think that's where it comes out for me.
I can relate what I do to other people's content that I've also listened to just because
you're more of a YouTube visual person.
I'm more of a podcast person.
That's just how it is.
Louis, what's your experience in listening to us?
Just because it is, I'm just pulling from the episode, statistically less likely that
a male enjoys true crime.
It is.
Which I like for you.
Well, I don't enjoy true crime.
I really just enjoy listening to you guys talk about when you guys go into it.
So I can relate to that statistic.
But it's funny because when I listen to you, I think I've told you this before, listening
to you guys on your podcast, it's like listening to a friend.
And it's something that I appreciate when I get to hear you when you're not around.
So it's fun.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
Louis, you should start a podcast so I can listen to you all the time.
Yeah.
Do it.
Or I could just pick up the phone and call you, I guess.
Every once in a while.
No, but that doesn't make sense.
Oh, sorry.
Go ahead.
Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely.
It's really, it really does connect me to you.
I know you're not connected to me and you don't get to hear my side of it, but I'm sitting
here thinking like, you don't know who Chuck Lorre is.
What's wrong with you?
Me?
No, Coelle.
Chuck Lorre?
Not Chuck.
What was his name?
Peter.
Peter Lorre.
Peter Lorre?
Who's that?
He came up in one of your last podcasts.
Yeah.
He was one of the people that I talked about.
Yeah, because his daughter was almost somebody who got, when you were going over all of the
people who like, you were like doing like the weird gruesome facts on, yeah.
Yeah.
History and Steal Your Killer is episode.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, I talked about the facts and it was.
Peter Lorre.
Roy Norris and Lawrence Bittaker that almost killed her, then they just said not to because
her dad was famous and they were like, no.
Oh, yeah.
But no, I don't know who that is.
Who is that?
So, well.
He's an actor.
The first thing that pops to mind is Casablanca.
He's the guy who has the tickets in the beginning who gets killed.
He sets off like everything in motion.
But he's like the brave little toaster.
When they make that, there's this weird scene where they do this menacing voice.
He's like, oh my gosh, I'm going to, he's whatever he's doing.
Oh, that guy, the dog's like this.
That guy?
They're doing an impression of him.
It's like an Igor?
Yeah, they're doing an impression of him.
Oh, okay.
I know.
I remember that.
Bull G eyes.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think of.
I know who that is.
One to suck your blood is not the same guy.
No, it's not the same guy.
That's the same guy.
No, it's not the same guy.
I'm not the same guy.
Transylvania is a real place.
I didn't fucking know.
Oh my god.
All right.
Like you said, I'm a child.
It's okay.
And a child.
Mention a chick.
I'm sorry, Louie.
I interrupted you.
Now I know who Peter Laura is.
Okay.
Yeah, that's what they were impressioning on that.
Oh, I know why that sounds familiar because the genie did it in Aladdin.
Yes.
That's what I was thinking.
I can't bring anybody back from my dead.
I don't like doing it.
It's not a pretty picture.
Yes.
Okay.
Yes.
I know that.
Peter Laura.
For sure.
I'll forget it now.
Full circle.
Yeah, he was kind of iconic for a while.
He was kind of iconic.
That's an iconic voice.
No, it really is for sure.
I was just going to say, it makes sense, Louie, that you were saying that you like to listen
to the podcast, hopefully because it's entertaining and educational, but also because the voice
is comforting to you because you have been friends with the quail for so long.
But also, like, I understand what you're saying because, you know, my best friend Lindsay and
I, I've known her for, I mean, now it's been, we're 16, so 12 years.
And she was coming over, she lives in Austin.
She was coming over to a house party at Dana's house, they were having a Christmas party.
And the whole time we were both getting ready, she was still in Austin, I was here, we were
on FaceTime together.
And the whole time we were getting ready, and the whole time I was driving to Dana's,
we were on FaceTime, you know, and if I could have been on the phone with her the whole
time she was driving down, I would have, you know.
It's just that familiarity, it makes you feel super comfortable.
You're like, I don't have to even talk about anything.
We could just sit on the phone and just be silent, you know, or just be doing our makeup
and not saying anything, but it's still comforting to have that familiar voice.
Yeah, for sure.
And I think that also stems from childhood, honestly.
Like, similarly to what they say, like when a baby is being born, right, like you talk
to the baby, like the dad talks to the baby in the womb and the mom does whatever, and
then when the baby's born, it seems like they recognize immediately the sound of like their
mom's voice, you know.
I think it's kind of something similar like that, like it's ingrained in us.
Can I just liken this to a baby's, in pregnancy.
Everything that you do as an adult stems from something that you did as a child, I think.
She had a face like, I poo pooed her too much.
I poo pooed her.
Well, now I feel like the infant of the group.
I mean, be older with my knowledge.
No.
Well, either way, I appreciate you listening to us a lot, Louie.
That's awesome.
Yeah, and all our listeners, for sure.
This is true.
And the reason why I called you out on the movie thing is because that's usually what
I, I mean, I watch movies and TV series all the time.
So I usually have, I'm pretty good with that type of trivia stuff.
Oh yeah.
I'm definitely not.
I'm not a movie girl.
In that 45 mile an hour wind last night, Cliff and I were still trying to watch how
I met your mother outside.
Outside.
Yeah.
We have a TV outside, so Cliff and I like to sit out there and have a few drinks and
like watch how I met your mother.
That's like kind of a thing.
We're in the seventh episode, by the way.
The seventh season?
I mean season, yeah.
I was like, episode.
You've been watching that for a while.
You're only in the seventh episode.
We pause a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah, we're in the seventh season.
Oh gosh, what was the last episode you watched?
It was, do it on my phone.
That's my empty can of Waikawa.
One second.
It's, where is it?
Definitely after Zoe and Ted got together.
For sure.
And last time you were right before that.
Yeah.
God, Zoe.
It's like you like Zoe.
No, you.
I love Zoe, but they made her really, really stupid at the end.
I'm going to excuse myself for a minute or two.
I need to use the restroom and this is a DAK live, so.
Yeah, go for it.
Can you get me a Waikawa?
Thank you.
Absolutely.
All right.
Is she gone?
Can we talk about her now?
No, I'm just kidding.
Yes, we can talk about her.
She's gone.
She cleared her throat so hard when she walked away.
Typical.
Let's see.
Yeah.
Oh, we just got to Coots.
Oh gosh.
Martin Short.
Oh yeah.
Oh God.
He's great.
Yeah.
Marshall is he's a job?
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Is it San...no, it's not Sandy.
That's Sandy Rivers.
It's a...oh gosh, what's his first name?
Sandy Rivers?
Yeah, Alexis Denisov?
No, I'm not talking about Martin.
I'm talking about Martin Short.
Martin Short.
What's his first name though?
His last name is Coots.
It's like Daryl or something?
I'm not entirely sure.
Daryl.
Yeah, it's a Season 7 Episode 2.
Marshall receives the job offer of his dreams.
Don't worry is that.
Oh yeah.
Oh, the streaking video.
Yeah, it's a what is it?
The Naked Truth.
Beer Killies.
That's what it was.
It's me, Beer Killies.
And he's like, alright, see you tomorrow, Beer Killies.
So good.
Oh yeah.
It's such a good show.
It's a good one.
Yeah, he's like, oh, what is he?
He said, oh, my that's a...my that's a big snake.
Oh, and he saw a snake and he's like, no, I'm talking about your penis.
Well, I'm glad you said it.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah.
How cold is it right now?
I mean, I'm sitting, I don't really get too cold.
It's not too cold right now because it's still daylight.
No, the sun's probably down by now.
It's probably like 50, 55.
Yeah, I don't know what temperature it is right now, but we're going to New York like,
oh gosh, probably the day after this airs.
Oh, okay.
And yeah, I'm just, it's like one of the worst winter storms.
We're going to go, I'm going to go meet Cliff's dad.
I'm so excited.
And yeah, we're probably going to be held up at his dad's place for like an entire week
because it's just going to be too cold, too snowy.
Everything's going to be probably packed in.
Oh yeah.
But I'm excited.
Yeah, I'm going to be, when I, when I fly out there, I'm going to be flying through Denver
and I'm like, oh no, please, please make it.
Oh, so much more wine.
That was the key.
What episode is that in?
Cause I feel like I missed it.
I think you did.
Because, oh, so much more wine.
God, it was.
Was that when she's on the dinner with Marshall?
And they can't find anything to talk about?
No, it's, no, that is, it's Ted says it.
Oh, okay.
I thought it was Robin that said it.
He says, like he says something awkward and then, and then he says like, oh, so much more wine.
He's trying to, like he needs to like drink past that situation, which is, you know, always fun.
Alright, she's back.
We're going to be talking soon.
Alright, quiet.
Alright, no more K nasty talk.
Got it.
Why still can't hear Louie if he's talking because I have my headset on.
Oh, just realized that.
Oh, so I still could have, no, I'm just going to.
No, never mind, never mind.
She's back.
Alright, well, this is going live in public.
So it could be fun.
Let's see.
So what else is there?
Let's see.
What else is there?
Like we've run out of things to talk about.
So I also noticed because I know I'd asked Coel to think about this because my, because
my diagnosis was eight, well, I'm ADD, ADHD and ODD, which is the two everybody knows.
The other one is oppositional defiant disorder.
And having, I'm growing up with that was extremely crazy.
And I don't, and you guys were talking over about, they aren't, they, I mean, they're,
they're exclusive, but they're not entirely mutually exclusive.
So what I looked it up is you can't get really diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder
without having ADD.
Okay.
So, okay.
So it makes sense that I was diagnosed with that with all three because at the time that
they were considered separate.
I'm pretty sure ADHD is now considered part of a spectrum of ADD now, I think.
Yeah, it actually is.
I did an episode on that.
It's called ADHD versus ADD.
What's the difference?
So if anyone's interested in just a deep dive in that.
Yeah.
Pepper that in.
Of course I have to.
Yeah.
My, and this is, this is something that I, I mean, I knew that we, this topic might come
up, so I briefly Googled it, but is it that ODD is a precursor for ADD or ADHD?
No, you have to have ADD to be diagnosed with ODD.
So it would actually be the other way around kind of.
Oh, but is it an age bracket?
You typically get diagnosed as a child, but it's, it's, I don't think it's something you
ever really grow out of.
It's.
It's something that I know I have to cognizantly think about when I want to respond because
my knee jerk reaction is to automatically oppose what anybody else says.
Okay.
Interesting.
That's very interesting.
And that's also really cool that you have that awareness.
Sorry.
Go ahead.
You have to.
Otherwise most people with my diagnosis don't really make it on the streets.
Yeah, absolutely.
No, I don't.
And I understand why.
And like Will said, I briefly researched it as well, but I also have my own prior knowledge
about it as well.
But if I'm not mistaken, ASD, so Autism Spectrum Disorder is also some of one of the other
disorders that can comorbidly happen with ODD.
And it is because a lot of the time, like I work in behavior therapy.
I'm not sure if I know that, you know, that listeners maybe not might not know that, but
I work with kiddos on the spectrum and a lot of their behavior, I mean, I work with just
the behaviors.
I don't do speech therapy, occupational therapy, physical therapy.
I do behavior therapy.
So, all we focus on is their behaviors.
A lot of it can look very similar to ODD.
And then there's other things that coincide with the ODD, if you will, symptoms that would
put them on the spectrum rather than ODD.
So you're right, Louie, like it's not a very known disorder because it's not diagnosed
very often because usually I think, if I'm not mistaken, it can be just put on another
disorder like ADHD or ASD, things like that.
Interesting.
But it certainly can come off that way because it has such, it's like such a severe knee jerk
reaction.
So it's almost, I mean, it's almost obsessive.
You know, like it's very hard or compulsive, I mean.
So it's very hard.
It's very hard not to diagnose it.
I went to, when I was in third grade, my fourth school of the third grade year that I didn't
get kicked out of was they sent me to UCI Irvine to the Child Development Center there,
which is where I got the diagnosis.
It's where they went through and tested a whole bunch of different medications for, I was in
a school basically full of kids with ADD and ADHD or different versions thereof.
And that's the entire project of the school was to test medication and therapy and see
how they can help treat students.
I mean, I was in third grade going through that.
It was crazy.
Definitely.
It's incredible.
And you don't want me asking how old were you when you got diagnosed?
Eight.
Eight, okay.
I was just going to say I'm thinking of the way that people get diagnosed or kids get
diagnosed now with ADHD and especially ASD, like I feel like it's a lot more common now
for children to get diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder because it's more aware.
People are more aware of what it means to be on the spectrum.
And now that it is a spectrum, it's not Asperger's or something different.
It's a spectrum disorder, right?
So you can be on the low end of the spectrum or on the high end.
And I feel like that gives physicians, I'm not trying to be rude, but it gives physicians
kind of a really big opportunity to just put someone on ASD, like instead of really pinpointing
exactly what's going on.
And so, ODD does not get diagnosed as much as it used to maybe or just in general.
I mean, also that could also be just a write-off.
That was kind of what they were trying to write me off as before my actual diagnosis
came through.
They were trying to say I was autistic or I had a learning disability.
And that really wasn't the issue.
I could learn very easily.
I was actually quite ahead at the time, but my problem was literally everything else.
Focus was the hard one.
Yeah, I've been diagnosed with ADD in my childhood.
And I mean, what's interesting is that growing up, our grandmother on my mom's side, Ma,
she was diagnosed with adult ADD.
And I'm like, oh, there's a difference when I was a kid.
And so when I got my diagnosis, I was in elementary school.
I don't specifically remember the year, maybe second, third grade.
And the mom had said, well, your mom has adult ADD.
And I was thinking, oh, there's like phases.
Yeah.
No, it is just you just learned to cope.
And my focus, and especially in the last few years, I didn't realize what I was doing was
coping and that I was creating coping mechanisms.
But now it's like verbal.
I have to say out loud, if I'm being asked to do something, I say ADD interruption.
And that's all.
It just means I'm focused on a task right now.
Give me one second.
Let me finish what I'm doing.
And there's still days where I walk into a room and I'm like, the fuck am I doing in
here?
And I'm like, oh, shit, what is that?
And it's just things pile and I have to prioritize in a way that makes sense to me.
And I can understand how frustrating that might be in a structured setting like school,
especially elementary school, middle school, high school is a little bit, yeah, I was excited,
the military, that I can.
That was rough.
Good.
I bet.
The structure of the setting.
The funny thing about that structured setting is they have an order of orders.
And it's weird because it's reversed.
You have to do the last order you received first and work your way backwards.
Unless they say something specific, like this is to be done first and then gives you a list.
But typically they'll go by the order of orders, the first things that you do is the last thing
told and that's the most important.
So you want that one and then everything else needs to get done.
That's complicated.
If I'm not mistaken, I've not not mistaken, but just my interpretation of what you just
said, I think that that might be a tactic maybe on their end to see how well you're listening
and paying attention to what they said.
Like I'm going to give you all these things to do.
You need to remember the last thing I said first instead of the first thing I said first,
like someone would normally do, right?
And then we'll see how good your attention to detail is and how good you are at taking
orders and things like that.
That's just my opinion.
I don't know.
I'm just thinking.
I don't know what the thought process behind it was, but it was not easy.
Yeah, I don't doubt it.
That is for maybe the listeners that don't experience ADD or something that's maybe
a learning disability that's similar to that.
That's exactly the way that it feels.
But it's not somebody telling me to do that.
It's what my brain does.
My brain tells me that the last thing that you just said is the first priority.
And then I forget about everything else that happened before that.
Everything else goes out the window.
Yeah, because I'm like, oh no, this needs to be done now because somebody's asking me
to do it.
And my brain automatically says that's the most important thing.
Yeah, of course.
And I forget about everything else.
So it's like by the time my day is ending, I'm like, well, shit, I didn't finish my laundry.
Fuck, I didn't, you know, I didn't do this or that.
Or I finished my homework or anything like that because I was asked to do so many things
after I had made these things a priority.
And so yeah, that's exactly the way that it feels.
We've talked about it before on the podcast about procrastination.
Have we done a full mental breakdown on it?
I don't think we have, right?
But we...
Louis, did we do a full breakdown?
Yeah, you can tell us.
No, no, I don't think so.
Well, I think we should because I've actually learned a lot about procrastination, especially
going through my master's program and stuff.
And I actually learned that when it comes to procrastinating, your brain just tells
you to do the easiest task on the list.
Or maybe not the easiest task, but the like, maybe the least time consuming task or the
easiest or whatever.
Does it matter what's more urgent?
If I tell myself, for example, I have a paper due on Friday, I need to get laundry done.
I need to record the podcast, right?
Whatever is the quickest to get done or something that will satisfy me about just doing it,
I'm more likely to do that first, even though there's something else that might be more
pressing, right?
Instead of cooking, I'm going to go to a restaurant.
Well, maybe, maybe.
That's me.
Maybe, but that's drive time.
For sure, exactly.
So like, let's say like I have a paper due on Thursday, the podcast is due on Friday.
I'm doing research for the podcast due on Friday, even though my paper is due on Thursday,
because I know I can get this done and then I'll be satisfied.
And then come Thursday, I'm like, shit, I can do this paper.
That's me.
That's how the human brain works.
It's not like maybe not pointed towards one disorder or whatever.
Anybody, like we say with a brain, can have this experience.
Right.
And I feel like a lot of listeners might relate to that, because I definitely did when I read
that.
I was like, oh, shit, that's me.
But yeah, no, I definitely understand that mindset about it.
Silence.
Go, Lou.
Oh, I just popped it up.
Oh, I'm going to break the silence somehow.
Oh yeah.
Well, I mean, I was going to say, because kind of mentioned the master's thing, I am actually
really proud that you're going through that.
I know it's like by pro, I'm just like really proud of you for doing that and hope and continuing
your education.
I think that's awesome of you.
Thank you.
I have a lot of imposter syndrome about it.
She got like clenched.
She gave me a little, like a baby bottom lip.
I was like, whoop whoop whoop.
Thank you.
No, it definitely means a lot, because it's been, I will say, I've gone through three
courses already, two semesters technically.
It's been, I don't want to say easy, but I have not found myself particularly challenged
just yet, just because I'm studying something that I really, yeah, right.
Go, read our, go, read our.
And that's what dad said.
Write your dissertation.
It's fine.
Right.
On my birthday.
You will be Dr. Salinas.
Yeah.
Oh, that's true.
But no, by the time I get my doctorate, hopefully I'll be Dr. Brinsky.
Dr. Brinsky.
Dr. Brinsky to.
Remember that girl?
You guys did a, you did one on one of the killers that was doctor and she wouldn't,
she went by her original name.
Oh, not Susan Smith.
What was her name?
The one that shot the other doctors.
The one that shot the doctors.
What was her name?
Oh, that was your case.
I know.
What was her name?
I don't remember.
We've done so many cases now.
She, she kept her last name because she wanted to be.
Doctor.
That doctor so and so.
Okay, but, okay, but hear me out.
You don't want to be Dr. Salinas.
Crazy anatomy.
Here's the thing.
If I get my doctorate before I'm married, I will go by Dr. Salinas.
Yeah.
Because I got my doctor under that name.
Exactly.
If I get my doctorate under de Brinsky, I'll get my doctorate.
Dr. de Brinsky.
No, you have to rush to get married in order to put de Brinsky on that doctorate.
People are not able to pronounce that.
Dr. de Brinsky.
Dr. de Brinsky is what they're going to say.
Dr. de Brinsky.
And that's fine because I love that man.
All right.
Casey goes by de Brinsky.
Casey does not go by de Brinsky.
Okay.
People call him de Brinsky.
Because in high school, when he was on the football team, which he's been a baseball
player his whole life, but he played football for maybe a year or two in high school.
Amy Bishop.
The coach could not pronounce his last name.
When he goes de Brinsky.
De Brinsky.
And then ever since then it was like, oh doobie.
My, our mutual friends from high school still refer to him as that.
I'm like, I don't know who that is.
Yeah.
They don't really try too hard out there on names.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Hey, but you fight for that doctorate.
You whatever, whatever your last name is, you just have to think I want to get a doctorate.
And it deserves the respect.
But dad said, okay, so this is a story.
Dad said.
On my 28th birthday, last July, July 2023, we went out to dinner with everybody right
before we left for the coast for the weekend.
And that was, I had gotten my acceptance letter for grad school in June.
And I hadn't told anybody, well I had told you guys, but I hadn't told like my closest
friends and I was waiting for a time to announce it.
I hadn't put it on social media or anything.
And I told mom, I said, this is perfect.
All of my closest friends are going to be at this dinner on my birthday.
Why don't we announce it there?
I said, why don't you announce it there?
Because mom always prays over the table.
I ask her to, you know, especially at times like my birthday, I said, why don't you go
ahead and we'll do a prayer and then I want you guys, I want you to tell everyone the
news.
And then of course mom cries.
She always does on the prayers, which I think it's sweet.
It makes us all cry.
Well, then I said, go ahead and tell them my announcement.
And she said, you know, Kenna's going to, it wasn't even dad.
It was mom, she was going to be, you know, pursuing her education and pursuing her master's
in forensic psychology with applied research, blah, blah.
And she's crying and she goes, and then she's going to go on and get her doctor.
Okay, bye.
And I was like, whoa, whoa, I did not say that.
What a birthday wish.
Right.
And then I don't even know when it was.
I think I got drunk one night, which is the story of my life.
And I talked to dad one night.
Just one.
And I was talking to dad and I said something and he goes, I know you're going to do great
things, honey.
I just know you're going to go on to get your doctor and you're going to be a doctor.
And I was like, whoa, there again.
But I'm like, but you cried.
And dad said it and I cried and I was like, no, I can't not do it.
Like it's dad.
It's dad.
I don't know anything for dad.
Exactly.
Anyway, on that note, on that note, I was.
Yeah, I actually dated a doctor forensic psychologist.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
When I told her I was diagnosed recently, right?
Yeah.
I told her I was diagnosed with ADD and ODD as a kid.
She goes, how are you not in jail?
Because she was like, everybody she knows that has ODD is in the system.
That's really interesting.
Because that's part of her.
Well, that's part of her job.
Well, that's part of her.
Do you feel like that's, go ahead.
As a forensic psychologist, her job was to was working with inmates.
So everybody she knew was was in the system.
It wasn't just me.
She found a commonality then.
Is that what you're saying?
I think that makes a little bit more sense.
I was going to say, at the chance of putting my foot in my mouth, that's a little bit
ignorant.
Because you don't want to assume anybody that has a diagnosis is going to end like that.
Even if it's, oh, I'm on the schizophrenia disorder.
How are you not in jail?
You know?
I just feel that's how I perceived it.
But now that you said she works with inmates, that makes me understand that a little more.
That's a commonality and not really like the exception to the rule.
Exactly.
I do have a question though.
Coming from a hopefully potential forensic psychologist in the future to Louie.
Did you ever get suspected of or do you ever suspect yourself of or get diagnosed with
a convict disorder?
Because usually if I'm not mistaken, ODD, if not treated properly, not to say that you
weren't treated properly, but growing up it can lead into conduct disorder into adulthood.
So I don't know what you mean by, I wouldn't have that as a disorder, never diagnosed
anyways, but the, did I, did I do bad conduct?
Yeah, I was an awful person for a long time.
No, that's just, I'm just curious because like I said with the little research that
I do have on ODD, like you said it's usually diagnosed in young adulthood, or young childhood,
excuse me.
And then after a certain age it actually can't be diagnosed and it turns into if you will
conduct disorder.
Well, that makes sense.
Yeah, I mean, I know we did a lot of crazy stuff.
I mean, we stole a car once.
We, I don't know, we did all sorts of stuff.
Hey, bum's the word, okay?
Don't be revealing shit out of your lawn.
We've buried a man once.
Oh no, no, no, no, no.
I'm the next subject for this.
We never heard anybody.
That was not really a thing.
We fought each other all the time, but we never heard anybody else.
Oh gosh, that's not, yeah, sounds like me and Cameron.
Sorry, kind of.
Yeah, but you know, do you think Lou, or may I ask, how do you look back at that time and
feel like there's a reclamation at a certain point?
Like you know that you, you know, I wouldn't use the term like a bad person or a bad kid,
but how do you, how do you go through the motions?
Like have you processed a lot of that stuff and just felt like, well, it was when it was
when it was, and then now I have a better handle on it?
Yeah, I've got a, I'm pretty good at compartmentalizing that, that way, where I go.
That's just who I was at that time.
That's not who I am anymore.
And I don't really have to worry about it because fortunately there really isn't that
much, you know, like there's stuff that we did.
Everything ended well, nothing ended bad, no one ever really got hurt, no one ever really
knew what some beers, a couple of beer runs, you know, whatever.
Yeah.
Like not too much ended up in a bad way, so kind of worked.
So thankfully nothing crazy happened.
Yeah.
Well, well, crazy stuff happened, but yeah.
Did you feel like at any point you were maybe influenced by other people or do you feel like
it?
Absolutely.
I mean, I was a shithead too.
I went around with a bunch of shitheads, you know.
I was along for the ride.
I was just very down to do whatever, but I never came up with any of those, any of the
crazy shit that we did.
That was just a product of, you know, me being there.
Do you think that at certain points maybe it's again, like the influence and that it's
kind of like it escalated because the people that you were around were kind of, I guess
my question is, is that did everybody that you think that you were associating with also
have ODD or is it just that you're surrounded and there's, you know, kids will be kids kind
of a thing and then it just escalates?
High school, just degenerate types.
I mean, my best friends wouldn't thank God, you know, of all the weird random things,
because I know you remember Doc, but when we were 18, when we were 18 was when I left
Texas, when me and, what's her name broke up, that when I left Texas, I had made a,
me and Doc had made a promise.
I was like, I'm not going to do any drugs for one year.
And that year, all of my friends decided to try meth for the first time when I went back
to college.
Oh my gosh.
They were on a whole nother level for an entire year and I was just there sober.
Like, like, oh, this is what you guys want to do.
Okay.
You guys, all right, all right, let's go on.
I think that ended with one of them ending up in jail twice when we were 18.
You're absolutely speaking on the same plane.
I not to interrupt you.
I'm sorry.
Oh, go for it.
I hung out with a group of people that, you know, again, I've been diagnosed with ADD
and I'm going to come back to that link.
But I spent time with a group of people that also decided to get into heavy drugs and I
was treated like little sister and at one point I was over at someone's house and they
decided to do drugs and I'm not going to even talk about the kind of drugs but essentially
I was told, turn your back.
I don't want you to look at me.
You're my little sister.
And I did and I was like, and you know, at a certain point it was almost like, do you
want to?
And I was like, absolutely not.
And I find that very interesting that he being diagnosed with ODD and me ADD, what is that
in our brains?
Like we tend to be, you know, a little bit more, I guess, rebellious or...
I think I got lucky because I'm very, I'm loyal.
So when I said I wasn't going to do it for one year, I wasn't.
But if I hadn't said that, I very likely would have been right there with him.
That's so true.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, because I had a friend in that group that definitely said, don't you ever let me
fucking catch you with this shit.
And I was like, okay.
Yeah.
Very interesting.
And I can make a statement and not even just to you, Louis, but to Koel as well.
I don't know if lucky is the word that I would use.
I think, I mean, that was a choice that you made.
And that was you.
You didn't have someone else influencing you to make that choice and you made it.
I don't, I wouldn't call that luck.
I think that that's someone that has a really good head on their shoulders and someone that
is capable of making really great decisions.
Well, if you knew Doc...
And you did in that moment.
If you knew Doc, you know that was luck because Doc was an awful person too.
Yeah.
But at the same time, like you could have, I don't know Doc, but I'm saying, in my opinion,
you could have done just what Doc did, you know, and you chose not to.
And I think that speaks very highly of you.
And I'm saying this as a huge compliment, you know?
That tells me that you have that had and still have, of course, that mentality of, fuck that,
you know, I'm not going to do that.
It's going to ruin my life, you know, or whatever.
And even being able to make that decision at 18 is really admirable and super incredible.
So I commend you for that for sure.
Thanks.
I think it's also because we're Capricorns, but whatever.
Yeah.
Your birthday is like tomorrow, right?
Something really close.
Tomorrow, the day after.
Now you just dated the episode.
But also, it's going to, oh, it's okay.
We, no, it's all right.
We're going to actually probably post this on the 20th, which will be after Louis' birthday.
So it's our birthday episode.
There you go.
Which is great.
Yeah, count it.
The worst.
Yeah.
The worst.
Oh my God, can we keep that clip forever?
Can I go back and keep that clip forever?
The worst.
No, but that is really, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really,
it's really, really, really, really close in the world.
Really great.
And I mean, I, again, not licensed to diagnose, but I don't know.
You know what?
Never mind.
I was going to say, I don't think maybe you should have been diagnosed with that, but
I also don't know.
I don't know what you went through and what happened.
So I probably can't say that.
Well, like I was saying, that was third grade.
That was my fourth school that I had gotten kicked out of two other, three others before
that.
Yeah.
But I mean, it's also a product of childhood, the school before that.
I didn't know you weren't allowed to fight.
That's just what everybody did.
Like physical.
That's not funny, but that's funny.
I didn't know that that wasn't what you were, that you weren't supposed to do that when
I went to that school for, I went to that school, I loved it for three years.
And then I went to the next school.
They fought there too.
And I was like, cool.
My dad was like, my dad went to, was it back to school night?
And they're like, Oh, Louie's one of the good ones.
He's like, Nope, we're not going to this school.
He picked us up.
He made us all go to a different school.
And we got in.
Yeah.
Louie.
We got into this school.
It was called Landel.
And we get there.
And the very first day, you know, somebody still takes the, or someone beats me at, you
know, handball or something.
And so I hit them and they call the teacher over.
They're like, he hit me.
I'm like, and?
Yeah.
They're like, you're not allowed to fight.
I'm like, what do you mean?
I'm not allowed to fight.
Little, little eight year old me going, what?
What?
I'm not allowed to punch people.
That's crazy.
I'm not.
So I wasn't allowed at recess anymore.
And that was, that was actually very, like that became a theme from there.
I wasn't allowed at recess.
Then they wanted to kick me out.
Fortunately, something to do with my dad being in the military.
He worked on an ammunition ship.
He was also in the Navy.
But at working in an ammunition thing, he worked around Agent Orange.
Oh my God, really?
And because of that, when there was any ever an issue with me, he would call the VA and
the VA would come in and say, no, you can't kick him out.
It could be a byproduct of Agent Orange because we don't know how it, because it affects people
generationally.
Right.
So.
What year was this?
When my dad was in?
Yeah.
My dad was in Vietnam.
So 71.
Oh, okay.
71 maybe?
Yeah, 70, yeah.
So that so, so anytime that it would have been an issue like honestly, I am lucky because
my dad was there because I wouldn't have had support.
They would have just kicked me out.
I would have gone back to that first school where I was considered one of the good ones.
Yeah.
Like, and then, and then so they, they were like, okay, well, we don't have the facilities
for this person.
We need, we need more.
So they sent me to the next school.
So they needed to have a psychologist on hand or psychiatrist on hand.
And during recess and lunch, I would go to the psychologist or psychiatrist instead.
So was this like in the same community that you were already in?
Like is it, or did you guys have to drive further to get to a, a school that would provide
that?
Well, so I was in a different district.
And they, I transferred over to this other district and that was the better district.
And that was where, that was where they had the psychologist there.
Yeah.
It was only, it's funny because we only lived there for one year.
So that was the only reason why it was, it was crazy.
I found that interesting to speak.
Oh, sorry.
Oh, I see.
And then, go ahead.
Then when I went to, you know, and then when I went to Irvine, which are, which was the
last, the last school after I got kicked out of that one, I went to UC Irvine for the
Child Development Center.
And obviously there were psychologists, psychiatrists there all day.
I was like literally the teachers, you know, so.
Yeah.
Well, when we were kids, you know, I went to the same elementary school that Cameron
went to that Kenna went to and now my son goes to and it's very different.
It's, you know, if I was diagnosed with ADD, I had a special counselor that I would go
see, you know, once a week or once every few days.
And now it's like the kids are so integrated into the school and integrated into the general
schooling, like just general classes that they just pop in and they observe the child
and if there's any behavior that needs to be corrected, it happens.
But very rarely will they pull a kid out of class.
And I find that very interesting.
It gives me a sense of comfort.
Kids are way better today.
Oh, it's just, it's amazing and I'm thankful for it.
You know, I would have been, I would have been disrupting, I was disrupting every class
I was in every, every, well, I could learn as fast as they could teach.
So if they're in the middle of asking a question, I knew the answer.
So I'd be answering it in the middle of them talking.
Can you stop?
Can you stop interrupting?
No, it's a knee jerk reaction.
I have to, you know, like.
And then I couldn't, I couldn't sit in my chair.
I was literally moving around.
I remember in second grade, I would never sit in my, I have to get up and walk around
because I needed to be moving.
I always, always.
Yeah, that was me as well.
And it was crazy.
Jesus Christ.
I don't even know how, who I developed into and who I was because, because of the amount
of medication I was on to suppress it, because that's really all it was.
That's really all ADD, ADD pills are.
It's just, you don't really grow on that.
You just suppress it.
You have to grow on your own.
And at that age with that brain development, you know, or lack thereof, you know, it's,
it's unfortunate, but it's detrimental to the brain growth, you know, it's like, yeah,
you want to, and I know that when y'all were children, especially now compared to today,
it's like a lot of people were just so quick to medicate children if they weren't, I'm
sorry, your four year old can't sit down for eight hours a day.
Wow, God forbid, you know, and it's like, they're four, you know, and I think that,
not to make it about me, but what I do now is ABA therapy.
And I think that that, and we have kiddos that are much younger than grade school.
What we're doing is preparing them for school so that they can have those skills.
But I mean, I have a seven year old that can't sit down at a desk for more than an hour,
you know, and I neither fucking can I, you know, so I don't work a desk job, you know,
I don't want to sit, sit for an hour or sit for, I mean, right, even right now, like
I love you guys and I'm glad to be here, but these tiny chairs are killing me, you know,
they are tiny chairs.
I want to get up and walk around and it's just a natural human thing.
And yes, of course, when there's other things that are on top of that behavior, then yes,
there might be reason for diagnosis, reason for treatment.
But I feel like, like I said earlier, a lot of kids are being diagnosed with things that
aren't necessary for their development, right?
And it's just to shut them up, if you will.
Yeah, right.
Well, we grew up in the boom, right, Louie?
We grew up in the boom of medicating your child because they weren't able to quote,
unquote, pay attention.
Well, the amount of medication I was on is staggering because the typical dosage for
Ritalin, Ritalin is all it was at the time, was five milligrams.
Usually if they were, you know, you'd take five milligrams three times a day.
And that's your typical dosage.
If you, you know, people that acted up a little more, you did 10 milligrams twice and then
five milligrams.
Plus a day.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
Well, my dosage was 60 milligrams in the morning and 60 milligrams in the afternoon.
Mine was much higher, 60 milligrams versus five.
How are you not like a zombie?
I was a zombie, but anything less than that, I was off the walls crazy.
Yeah.
Like it would do, it was, it built up to that.
Like I could not.
Do you feel like you were out of control in the moment or do you feel like that was what
was presented to you?
I felt like I was a zombie when I was on and I felt like I was me when I wasn't.
And they always wanted me on.
I never liked it.
But you know, it was, I understand it from an adult perspective being like, this kid's
just disrupting the class all day.
Honestly, I don't know what the answer was other than that, it would have been like,
maybe I needed a private tutor and to be out of school.
But because of that, I already missed out on so many social skills.
One of the reasons why I go to bars now, well, bars in Texas, I don't go to bars out here.
Bar in Texas is the best.
It's very different.
I remember somebody was asking me like what, what specifically is the difference?
And I was like, well, to me, I think one of the bigger, more meaningful differences with
bars out there is you don't have to talk to know anybody or talk to anybody.
You could go up and say hi to the bartender, be generally cool and someone will come talk
to you.
You don't have to, like if you want to get integrated, just be there and they'll bring
you in.
Yeah, it's true.
We're too friendly for our own good.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's so true.
Well it's nice.
Well, it's nice for someone like me.
Like I said, I was on a lot of medication during the times you're supposed to learn how to
socially interact with people and I missed all that.
Oh, that breaks my heart.
It really does.
I don't know if you noticed, I mean, I've been kind of quiet in certain times of this
episode, but right after you said the milligram dosage for you, I didn't talk for like probably
20, 30 seconds because I had my hand over my mouth.
I was like, oh my God.
That's insane.
That's ridiculous.
And it reminds me of, and not to change it and make it about us, but it reminds me of
Cameron's dosages of Kalanipin that she was on shortly before she died.
And it's awful.
And I have a question for you, Louie.
If you can think back and you said that the average was 15 milligrams a day, you were on
120 if I'm not mistaken, a day.
And you felt like a zombie on it felt like you were out of control off of it.
Do you think maybe half of that amount would have been substantial for you or do you think
that you needed necessarily not needed, but at the time thought that you needed the whole
dosage that you were taking?
40 milligrams did nothing.
Okay.
Did nothing in your perception or for them?
Was it for them?
Yeah.
For me either.
I still felt like I was me on 40 and for them I was just out of control.
So it was essentially like a, I don't want to point fingers or make assumptions, but
it was essentially in my mind like a, we're going to give you enough to just make you
chill.
Dossile.
Yeah.
So that I'm not disturbing the class so that not everybody else is to, well, and it's
not fair to the other 28 kids in the class that the entire class.
Of course it's not.
That the entire class is about me.
Of course it's not.
Here's a thought.
Maybe an additional class for people that do experience things like that.
Yeah.
That's the only child in that whole school that was dealing with that.
But it was the 90s.
You got to understand, Kenna.
80s, 90s, yes, I was.
It was 93.
This is the very beginning of diagnosing people with ADD.
In fact, there was, so there was other classes and you know what they were full of?
Autism.
People that were very, very disabled.
Those are people with severe mental learning disabilities.
And physical disabilities.
With, yeah, with cerebral palsy and stuff.
It was not, there were so many times.
If you wanted an education, you did not want to be in one of those classes.
I agree.
I mean, even when I was in grade school, that was the case.
Yeah.
No, I agree with you.
Definitely.
Even as late as high school, I remember seeing a kiddo walking around with clearly physically
disabled kiddos and thinking, what's wrong with that guy?
Why is he walking?
Because he was on the autism spectrum.
He had, you know, Asperger's syndrome and that's, you know, it was weird.
It was like, what are you doing?
But now kids get these multi-leveled education plans.
As they should have back then, of course, and as they should now, which is really unfortunate.
Well, it's, you don't know until you know.
Of course.
You've said it how many times?
You don't know until you know and when you do, you do better.
My angel, you do better.
My angel, you don't know what you don't know until you know.
And when you know better, you do better.
Right.
Yeah.
So, and they didn't.
And so they were trying.
I was the first step.
I mean, me going to that school that I went to, which was specifically for people with
ADD and ADHD and ODD.
It was a study to see how best to teach them.
That's how they learned how to do it.
So I was at the beginning of all that.
We were the experiment kids.
I was 100 percent.
They were experimenting all the drugs on me.
That's what that school was.
Every day it was a different bill.
You didn't know what it was.
It was a double blind.
I was taking medication.
I wouldn't know the dosage I'd have to ask mom, but at one point I was losing weight
on a rapid amount of time or rapid succession.
And then I was gaining weight at a rapid succession.
And she was like, I don't know what the balance is.
We're just going to take you off the meds completely.
But I don't, you would have to.
In my mind it was at least a year of trial and error.
But what we know now about medications like that, you have at least need what, three months
to adjust, four months to adjust.
So if the milligrams were being adjusted and again, this isn't any fault of our parents.
Our parents were doing what the teachers recommended, what the doctors recommended.
And that's just the most that they knew at the time.
And so to be kind of thrusted around, you know, slingshot it, if you will, you know,
with different medications, different dosages, not being able to regulate any of that.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I felt that way too, Louie, probably not as much as you felt, but I definitely felt
at a certain point like, this doesn't feel like me.
This feels like, and not to adjust behavior slightly, but just didn't feel like me at
all.
And it's a very strange feeling.
It's completely different.
For sure.
And I will say, like, you know, I'm just going to say it quite frankly, like I'm very privileged
that I did not experience things like that growing up.
And it took me until my early 20s, especially after losing our sister, that I experienced
anything that I even recognized as mental disruption, aka anxiety, depression.
And even now in my late 20s, you know, I am experiencing that more and more, which I'm
glad that I'm educated in it because now I understand when things happen and why they
happen, especially age progression wise.
But I mean, if I didn't have the education that I had now, like I would be like, what
the fuck, like I was in my mind perfectly normal, right, normative growing up.
And now all of a sudden it seems I'm feeling all these things, I'm experiencing all these,
you know, different symptoms of mental disorders.
And it's unfortunate that it wasn't talked about the way that it is now when you guys
are growing up.
But I also will say, sorry, but I will say I'm glad that it is now, you know, and it
has progressed.
Yeah.
Of course.
I mean, and you start, well, what they start to realize, and they've always known, but
they've started steering toward, there is no real normal.
Yeah, of course.
Of course, I mean, that was being brought up a lot when I was, you know, in middle school,
elementary school, and high school is there is no normal.
We're all just kind of trying to get through this too.
Absolutely.
And which was an interesting perspective.
I mean, I did go to a pretty progressive school in California.
They were pretty far ahead of the time.
And now, you know, it's still way behind where, you know, your average school is now, like
as far as progressiveness goes, as far as knowing how to actually talk to somebody instead
of talking at them.
I mean, they've come a long way with how to speak to each other, how to speak to kids,
and how to help kids that need it.
There's still, you know, a lot of schools that are very far behind that just have no
funding, no anything.
I mean, it's just, it's a tough situation for some people.
So, yes, it is fortunate.
It is lucky that I ended up in a lot of these situations.
Yeah, we grew up in the best generation.
We're like right in between landlines and internet, you know, it's just, and if we can
be a part of that and be the guinea pigs, then all for it, right?
Yeah.
I mean, if anything, the generation after us, you know, like we can help our kids or the
next generation, maybe not even our kids, but our nieces, our nephews.
I think the next generation is so much better than us.
It's so funny.
Yeah.
It's so funny because, generally speaking, we were always taught, you know, that what
was it, aerosol, soccer cheese or whatever.
The kids today are out all night and they're making a ruckus and they're doing all this
stuff.
It was about kids today and it was from 2000 years ago.
And like, our parents said that about us and their parents said that about them.
I don't say that about the next generation.
I think that's awesome.
No.
I think they're doing what they can.
Yeah.
I totally, no, you're fine.
I totally agree with that.
I feel like, what is it?
The squeaky wheel gets the grease, right?
Like our generation now, it's like we're becoming more rebellious.
It's just our generation and younger people than me.
But that's it.
It's like, I see a lot of passion towards change, especially when it comes to mental
health.
You know, it does bring up those feelings about Cameron, had she had some of that and
had she gotten a taste of that, like would she still be here?
And to learn that like we're so mental health forward now as a society and we're only getting
greater at that.
It's just, I'm excited for the next generation and the next generation and the next generation.
For sure.
Louis, if you don't mind me asking again, what year were you born?
Oh, 85.
Okay, so you were actually in a different generation than Koala and I, if you can believe
it.
No, me and Koala are the same generation.
We are.
We're all, you know, all three of us are millennials.
We're millennials.
I thought millennials started in 86.
So here, let me explain this to you.
My son is an alpha.
Isn't that weird?
Millennials start sort of in a spectrum because it has to do with, oh, you're right.
I'm sorry.
Yes.
It has to do with how, how really connected to the internet you were really and how early
on.
So I was in California.
We were the cutting at, for us, it's like 83.
Okay.
Because it, especially being in a city, you guys, and you guys are probably like 84 or
85 because you guys weren't your city folk as well.
If you lived out in the country, you didn't get the internet until.
Instead of folk.
To if you lived out in the country, you probably weren't really a millennial until you were
born in 1990.
Because there was a, there was a distance in between technological advances that really
categorizes what makes a millennials, how they grew up around both, around both technologies.
For me, I had internet in, in school in third grade.
You know, like, so that was, I mean.
What was that I've been, what year?
93.
You know, 93.
Yeah.
So it was until like Windows 95, right?
Which would be, you would assume comes out in 1995.
It was like accessible to the everyday home.
Yes.
But we still had access.
I mean, like you, I mean, at the time they still had, I don't know if you remember, computer
war tennis shoes and all this stuff.
They had movies about that, the internet that was happening at the time.
It was very, very lucky.
Computer war tennis shoes.
Oh yeah.
That was a whole movie.
Oh yeah.
There's a few.
So excited about it.
Just unlocked that memory.
Disney movies.
Actually, I'm talking about the remake.
The original was actually Kurt Russell.
That's not a Disney, it can't be a Disney movie.
100% it is.
Kurt Russell was a Disney guy.
He had a bunch of Disney movies.
What's the name of it?
The computer war tennis shoes.
I'm going to call that Warner Brothers.
Did you look it up?
No.
It's kind of looking at it right now.
It's Disney.
It's Kurt Russell.
I've never even.
It's Disney.
Disney and it's Kurt Russell.
Why would you call me on that?
You know I know my stuff.
I know.
We wouldn't say it if it wasn't true.
That's really the whole thing.
No, you're right, Louis.
I'm my bad about the generation.
But yeah, I am the next to last year of millennials.
So I'm 95 and then 96 is the last year of millennials.
And my sister Serena, she's a year and a half old of the meat.
She's like, oh, I'm Gen X.
I'm like, you might have been Gen X if you grew up in the country, but you grew up the
same way I did.
You know, you're definitely a millennial.
You don't act like Gen X.
Do you think it's like up to household?
So like, you know.
Community I think, if you ask me.
Yeah.
Because what defines your generation is how you act as a community.
I mean, like that's like our community really is the younger ones is this.
She likes to identify with Gen Xers because she always liked hanging out with our older
cousins.
But her herself grew up the same way I did.
So interesting because you know what, then there's parallels between communities and
how they're funded.
So like maybe a lower funded community wouldn't have the same accessibility as maybe a higher
funded community, right?
Which would make them, even though they might have been born in a millennial timeframe,
they might have been technically raised like a Gen Xer.
I feel like I've been smoking weed.
This is like, that makes so much sense.
It is.
It's like introspective, no?
That's how I kind of, that's how I personally see generations because they're supposed to
be what ties the generation together.
And so the edges, the fringes of the generations really are based on where you lived or where
you were at the time.
So before this, because the generation millennial is defined by Y2K is defined by growing up
going into the computer era, which is for the first time.
The generations before us, those were defined by wars.
Everybody experienced the war at the same time.
Like baby boomers or yeah, yeah.
Look at this, Louis with the knowledge.
Louis so smart.
I asked you about that.
That's my difference reaction.
He goes, eh.
Well, I do want to ask you a couple more questions, but I also have to pee again.
Oh my gosh.
She's like a faucet.
I have the blotter of a kitten.
So I'm going to have to stand up and I'm also going to get you a white clock well if you
want.
Go pee real quick.
Real quick though.
Well, I don't want to go that quick.
What time are we at?
We're at an hour and eight minutes.
Wow.
Oh, even just flew by.
Plenty of time.
I don't know.
I think I'm okay.
I'm good.
Yeah.
Louis, how are y'all doing?
About what?
About the time.
Well, he's an hour behind us.
So he doesn't know I'm sure I was behind.
So we're still negative.
Two hours behind.
No, I know I have all this time to go.
I'd like to maybe hang out for another 15 minutes.
Another 15.
Yeah.
Okay.
I think another 15.
Why don't you guys chat about one thing real quick?
Go ahead.
So I can run and I'll be right back.
Are you going to bring the topic?
I'm going to bring a question when I come back.
I see.
Is that all right?
All right.
Louis, do you want a question?
When Knaz returns with the white one.
Knaz returns.
Oh, my God.
I knew that because I took my end block.
Totally.
All right.
Yeah.
I'm excited for you to be in town next week.
Like I said, we're going to be in New York, but we're going to come back that same day
that you will come in.
Right.
You only going to be in for 24 hours?
No.
Technically, I'm going to come in the night before, but I'm coming in like at midnight
and then going home and going or going to my mom's and then getting ready for the funeral
or service the day after and then going to go see, go see you after that.
And then usually I leave pretty late on Sunday, but I'm leaving in the morning.
I love being able to go out there every now and then.
It's really, really nice.
I am terrified to fly all over again.
I am such a weenie when it comes to flying, but I don't do it that often.
So it's, you know, going to New York is going to be like terrifying.
I'm in the zone.
I'm usually asleep.
I usually sleep for flights, but I'm pretty in the zone.
I go straight for noise canceling headphones.
I put the music as loud as I can and I started doing that because I realized I don't know
what it is.
Maybe it's the vibrations and the audio waves or whatever, but I don't get the head,
the ear thing anymore.
You know, like when you fly and your ears pop.
Yeah.
So with your headset, you don't feel like that happens as often at all.
Ever since I started doing that, I was like, Oh my God, but I can't take it off the entire
flight.
So it's like before we take off, they have to be on and going.
Are they like a headset or ear buds?
Ear buds.
Oh, okay.
All right.
I'll have to try that.
I don't know.
I just don't, I don't want to drown out cliff because I feel like this is going to be the
first time we're flying together.
I'm probably going to cry.
It's going to be a whole moment.
Oh, I'm sure.
And then we go from, I don't think it's Syracuse, but we go from one city to where he's from
and it's going to be on a very small plane.
But I feel like maybe the smaller plane, I might feel better than the bigger plane.
There's, I don't know.
They're definitely more fun.
I, I'm definitely in that mindset that if I had free access to like a webcam, watch
watching the pilots, I feel like I would feel more comfortable flying.
Oh my God.
So it's so funny because a lot of people who, who have fear of flying that have been, that
I've been like the podcast that I do listen to every now and then their way of getting
over it was learning how to fly.
So learning how to fly.
Yeah.
So they had, so they understood like the controls and what this is.
I'm with it.
And once you, and they're like, once they got past that part, it was easier for them
to fly with other people later.
Yeah.
And then they had to have a passenger later.
I definitely, like, I, if I can, I like to sit in the very front because if I can watch
like, what do you, flight attendant, I was going to say stewardess without sexist, a
flight attendant, if I can see their face, then I know that everything's okay.
Oh, the reaction.
Yeah.
I make this.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Kenna's back by the way.
Sorry.
I'm sure you heard her.
You could be a air hostess in the sixties.
The sixties.
Yeah.
I'm sure you heard her.
The reaction.
Whenever something happens, I'm like, oh my God, are they freaking out?
Because if they're freaking out, then I need to freak out.
But if not, then I'm good.
But you probably have to keep your normal job.
It's still so cute.
But I feel like, which is funny because we're talking about flights, the flight of the Concorde.
But yeah, if I feel like the flight attendants, you got your little slippies on.
I took them off, but now my feet are cold.
Also making a bunch of noise.
If I can, I feel like the flight attendants, even if I've gotten to this point to where
I feel like even if I look at them and their faces are smiling, I feel like it's a lie.
Like I'm like, oh no, they're smiling because that's their job.
Oh, I think they're like, everything's fine.
Everything's fine.
We're going to die.
But if I have like an actual shot of the cockpit and I see the pilots, that would make me feel
more comfortable.
I have a story if you all are interested.
Sure.
So I flew at the end of 2017 on a six person plane.
I was working in San Marcos at the time.
I had a couple of regulars of mine, really great guys, older guys.
And they had a PJ.
No, they didn't have PJ, but one of them was a P flight attendant.
And so he flew like other people's planes like for his job.
So he had access to a PJ.
And he was like, Hey, because I'm a giant Astros fan.
And this is not a secret.
I'm a giant Astros fan.
He was like, Hey, the Astros are playing the Rangers in Arlington, which is close to Dallas,
Texas.
We're going to fly there, go to the game, and then we're going to fly back right after
the game.
And I was like, bet how much?
And he was like $100 for the ticket to the game and the flight.
And I was like bet as fuck.
$100.
So shout out, Mike, if you're there.
We call them Bobcat Mike because he was a big Texas Texas state fan.
Bobcat Mike.
So anyway, so him, his buddy, and then one of his buddies, sorry, him and two of his buddies,
one of his buddies friends who's a female and then another female bartender that worked
at Pluckers.
She worked across from where I worked.
We all went.
So it was six of us.
Yeah.
Mike was the pilot.
I FaceTimed mom.
I told her it was going to happen.
I FaceTimed mom and I showed her Mike.
I was like, this is the guy.
He's the pilot.
And mom was like, don't you fucking dare drink alcohol at the game because you're flying
my daughter back in a private plane.
And granted, it was only like a hour flight, maybe.
But the cool thing is, is that when we were on the flight, he was like, Internet things,
like don't turn on your, don't turn your phone on airplane mode.
That's a fucking myth.
Well, not really, but in this plane, it wasn't going as high as the other planes were.
Use your phone.
Everyone had their headset.
It was almost like a helicopter where you had to have a headset on.
Yeah.
And we were plugged into him.
So he had his headset.
I could see if I wanted to like into the cockpit because he left the door open.
And he was talking to us the whole time, which was really, really comforting.
I was going to say that would be the most comforting feeling.
Exactly.
And he was like, yeah.
He's like, and we pulled up here.
He goes, okay, clear skies up here.
It looks really great.
That's a good sign.
And he was, he kept saying like, no, this is happening.
Okay, that's a good sign.
And then someone would have come on and he'd be like, okay, they just said this and that
the other.
That's a good sign.
You know, and it was all really cool.
He's like really comforting.
And then we got some turbulence.
Like, okay, just let you guys know.
There's going to be some turbulence.
Like I said, like an hour, maybe an hour.
Anyway, so we landed in Arlington.
We had a great game.
I was the only one in Astros Jersey.
Everyone else is wearing a Rangers jersey in the Astros fucking when just saying, and
then we flew back and he didn't drink the whole time.
He kept his promise.
It was a great, it was a great time, but that was the most safe I've ever felt on a plane.
And it was the smallest plane in the world, but I felt so safe because I could hear the
pilot play.
Yeah.
Of the pilot, which was really cool.
How do you fly so much?
Cause you've already told the listeners you've flown in like this will be your fifth time
coming up in the last year.
Technically, well, I mean, we're in a new year now.
So this will be my first time.
Don't fly Alaska.
Oh gosh, don't even bring that.
It's a bad joke.
Although nobody got hurt.
I was actually looking into starting to get an Alaska card.
So I'm glad I haven't done that yet.
No, the how do you fly?
So you do that?
You do the earbuds and.
Oh yeah.
Well, we just, we just spoke about that.
We need to repeat that.
No, I understand.
Do you drink before?
Oh, no, no, that's a real question.
Not normally or not specifically not anymore than I usually drink.
Nothing special there.
You're like, oh, get on a plane, but I get wasted.
That's me.
I really don't have any issue with flying.
Although to be fair, I don't know.
I've been flying since I was a kid.
I mean, my mom left when I was in high school, so I've been flying back and forth to Texas
since then.
My first time flying a plane, I think I was 14 or.
You flew a plane.
Sorry, what?
Twice.
Oh, was that?
Really?
My uncle was a pilot.
He, he, he, everybody when they turned a certain age, he would take them up so they
would have their first flying lesson.
That's so cool.
I got to go and then he got one for one of my sisters, I think, and they didn't want
to go, so I got to go for them.
I was going to say, I feel like I might opt out.
I don't know, that's just me.
Oh, Louis flying the plane?
No, I might opt out of flying it myself.
Oh, I don't fucking trust myself.
Well, you're not up there by yourself.
I know.
It's not like, like, you're like picturing the book hatchet.
Like what if, what if he passes out the pilot?
What if he passes out?
The book hatchet?
Hatchet?
Hatchet.
You didn't have to read that?
That was like required reading where I'm from.
This guy's on a plane.
Actually, the movie is with the kid, one of the kids from Honey I Shrink the Kids.
But this guy's on a plane over, I want to say the Canadian wilderness and it's a private,
it's just him and the pilot and the pilot has a heart attack and crashes the plane in
the middle of the wilderness.
That's why there's a copilot.
There was no, it was just him and the pilot.
There's nobody else there.
So it was a tiny baby pilot.
And the kid's supposed to be like a teenager and all that he had from the plane crash.
I remember this.
All he had from the plane crash.
Oh my God.
Was a hatchet.
And he used it, he found flint, he made fire, he's...
I remember this movie.
He cut down wood.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Is the kid with the glasses in Honey I Shrink the Kids, right?
No, no, no, it's the middle kid.
It's the neighbor's younger kid.
The neighbor's younger kid.
I don't remember.
So there's the, what is it, Zelinski's, whatever their names are?
Zelinski's.
Yeah.
So there's the blonde and then there's the kid with the glasses and then there's the
two neighbors, the two boys, which was the older one, which was the blonde's age and
then the middle kid, which is the other blonde kid.
That's the one that was in hatchet.
Let me look.
That was 1989, God, I feel so old.
Yeah, I remember that.
Not Russell, that was the older one.
Yeah.
Ron.
Sure.
Was it Ron?
Sure.
Hey, I can remember, I don't remember his name.
I'm not really great with names.
He's the kid from Big, is he not?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, kid from Big.
Yeah, okay, the kid from Big.
She's actually like, she's remembering, she's looking it up.
It's the kid from Big.
I saw his photo when I was like, kid from Big.
Oh yeah.
He was in Pet's Cemetery.
Oh, he was the shithead kid from Pet's Cemetery, wasn't he?
Oh, geez.
I think he stopped acting not too long after that too.
Like he didn't really, or like, well quit for a while, I'm sure.
There's a movie called Shrunk that's coming out in 2024.
Has anybody heard of this?
No, is it him?
Is it have to do with Honey I Shrunk the Kids?
And amateur scientists and father accidentally shrinks his family with the ladies.
He just invidged.
He built in 1989 at the time.
It's with Josh Gad and Rick Moranis.
I was saying is Rick Moranis back?
Because he said he's coming back to film, so I'm so excited.
I know, I didn't know though.
This is a true crime.
I am losing.
It's a movie kitchen.
Oh my gosh, you have to, you have to tag the vacation.
There's no rules on DAK.
There's no rules on DAK Live.
Oh my gosh, on DAK.
I love that.
That is crazy.
Shrunk coming out 2024, you heard it here for the first time folks.
Did you?
Well, if you didn't hear it somewhere else, you heard it here for the first time.
If you didn't hear it somewhere else, then you're hearing it now here for the first
time.
Obsessed.
Oh, that sounds fun.
All right, so you said you had a couple of questions.
I do, yeah, I do.
I have a couple of questions.
All right, so Kay Nasty asks, Louie, what, and this is me being super vain, all right,
I'm getting really close to my camera.
What was your favorite episode that Koala and I covered on our podcast?
I used to know that off the top of my head.
But right now, I mean, after the last couple of episodes, I really liked, oh god, you know,
the one that like maybe cringed the most was probably, and that's the one like that I always
go to.
I was like, if you like true crime, try this one.
Was it Kraft?
Oh, it was the worst.
Randy Kraft.
The worst.
So worst.
We got it again.
Randy Kraft was awful.
Oh, so did you listen to the recap episode?
Is that what you're saying?
Like, flashback?
Yeah, the recap was fun.
And then the, I mean, the one where you, honestly, all the cringy stuff that you said
at the end, where the guy did the, you know, tried to kill Peter Lorre's daughter.
But unsuccessfully, that episode where you were at the very end, you did, you want to
hear all these gory details?
Yes, that's the history of serial killers.
I laughed because Koala made the creepiest face in the world right now, and it caught
me so off guard.
I'm sorry.
No, it was like way worse than that.
Okay, I'm sorry.
I looked over it and she was making this weird face.
Yes, that's the history of serial killers that you're talking about, which is my, the
creepy facts at the end.
I was anticipating the creepiness and then I was exposing my teeth in a very creepy
way.
It was very scary.
But yes.
Okay, so Randy Kraft.
Yes.
Randy Kraft.
Okay, that one was, that one was crazy.
Final answer?
Yeah.
And would you like to phone a friend?
No.
Okay.
You are the weakest link.
My next question is, and I'll, I will close with this.
I'm probably not going to say much after this, but.
Okay.
Louie, if you had any advice for the listeners when it comes to ODD, ADHD, ADD or any other
type of mental disorder that you could diagnose with when you're young, what would you say?
I mean, I don't know.
The hardest, the, for me, what worked was spending as much time as I could off of medication
and just really, I don't know, learning to focus somehow with therapy, with however you
can get someone to get you the right therapy to learn how to focus because that was the
hardest thing I think for me.
It's kind of on the spot.
I'm already losing focus.
Sorry.
No, it's okay.
I know that you weren't expecting that question.
But I'm just curious because, I mean, there's probably a bunch of people out there that
are maybe in the same situation that you were in or maybe the same situation that you're
in now that did have that diagnosis when they were younger and they're probably still maybe
learning how to cope.
And not to say that your coping mechanism will work for everybody, but just in general,
coming from someone that's experienced that.
Well, I'm still learning.
I've also gotten to the point where recently it's been, I've been overwhelmed mentally
and I used to be able to handle a lot more stuff thrown at me at once and right now it's
gotten to the point where if too many things get thrown at me, I start to get frustrated
and don't know how to act and everything gets all messed up and it's hard.
But it happens.
We do what we can.
Yeah, I definitely identify with that.
It's not just, you know, earlier in the episode we were talking about like what I call ADD
interruption.
It's not as simple as taking an entire 24 hours and prioritizing that 24 hours or even
prioritizing the next hour.
It is culminated and compounded with the thought of having to complete tasks over a week or
a month or a year.
And those things become overwhelming for me.
So when I have my moments where I'm very overwhelmed, it doesn't really, it starts or seemingly
starts within that first hour, but then it's over the course of six hours, 12 hours, 24
hours a week and then that's when it starts becoming an anxiety or a panic mode for me.
And it's definitely being able to prioritize and everybody's going to cope differently.
There's not going to be one specific way that someone copes and then therefore, you know,
I heard this on a podcast where I read this in an article and that must be the way that
my child or my sister or my daughter processes these things.
I think just for me lending a lot of patience is my biggest reward from someone that can
give me something.
It's so vital.
It is.
It's the patience.
And for me personally, I couldn't recognize when someone isn't available to give me that
patience and it kind of pulls me away from that person or I pull away from that person
because this person, it doesn't give me the patience and then especially if I give them
a greater understanding of what I'm going through and they still don't give me that
patience, then I'm like, sorry, really frustrated, removed, you know, because I disengage because
I can't, that's not somebody that I can go to with those specific needs and yeah, we
all have needs that need to be met and that's one thing.
I require patience from someone.
Yeah, I agree.
I think that personally, you know, like I said, I don't have the experience of being
diagnosed with something at a young age.
However, I know enough about psychology to understand that I do struggle with certain
things.
And I will say even last night, you know, we recorded.
And then I thought about it.
I said, we're recording tomorrow night.
We have a birthday on Wednesday.
We're recording on Thursday.
I'm leaving town on Friday.
And I just started school today, you know, and it's all of these things and I went to
my room after we started to stop recording and I was like, oh my god.
I told Casey immediately, I said, look, within the next two weeks, you're going to have to
give me a lot of patience because I have something to do every single day after work, after a
full time day of work, every single day for the next two weeks.
And that's extremely overwhelming.
Not to mention the fact that I may be getting sick, you know, like it's everything.
And I'm like, okay, what do I do?
That's weird, right?
Because it's never so unusual.
It's so unusual.
Never happened.
It's kind of has the greatest skin in the world.
It doesn't ever get diseased.
It never gets sick.
The worst.
No, but seriously, it's like, I, you know, I've learned, if not even within the last
six months, like I cannot control everything that happens.
What I can control is what I choose to do.
And I still put more stuff on my plate and I feel like I do that.
I don't know why I do that, but I'm just that kind of person.
I will say like, go ahead.
One of the things that, now that I had a second to think about it, one of the things
I would have, I would have should have said was taking things one step at a time, figuring
out what one step is, is also very important.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Bringing it down to a little increment and just doing one thing helps.
And absolutely not tit for tat here, but all of those things that you just listed, do the
last thing first.
Because the last one is like, get sick first or what?
Get sick first and then the rest of it comes out to me.
No, but it's true.
It's, you know, when it really comes down to it, like this is a mental health forward
podcast and we need to take care of ourselves just as much as we want our listeners to take
care of ourselves.
Oh, absolutely.
So do what is most important to you.
Take care of yourself first.
I don't want to be vain or be ignorant by saying there's always another day.
There's always tomorrow, but don't be so hard on yourselves because I'm very hard on myself
and it bites me in the ass 10 times, you know?
Yeah.
It's not easy to be an adult.
Shake it off.
Don't just shake it off.
Sometimes you can't shake it off and take it like Louis said, day by day, take it, take
some things with a grain of salt if you need to, you know?
Talk to your friends, talk to your family.
They can help and especially like we were just talking about express that you need patience.
You need a moment.
It's okay.
I think that we've done that in our family so well over the last couple of years, especially
with you and mom.
I feel like now I can recognize those things as soon as they happen.
If you give me a look or if you are certain mannerism, I know immediately I'm going to
come back in five minutes.
I'm not going to press the issue even especially with mom.
If she's going through something that I can recognize, nope, I'm not going to continue
to ask questions.
I'm going to recognize that in her.
Give her the patience.
Give her the space.
Not even, yeah, the patience but also the space.
I'm not going to hover.
I'm going to give her some time and I'll come back to it and that's fine.
It is what it is as long as everyone's able to cope with the things that they cope with
personally and express that to others, then that's the grace that you can give people.
Louie, any last words?
I was going to do, what was it?
The woo-coo-coo-coo-coo.
Woo-coo-coo-coo-coo.
What is that?
It's the me and Louie thing.
I don't know.
I've spent a rough time.
Damn, well I'm here too.
I know I feel very left out.
Give people patience.
Give me a woo-coo-coo.
Woo-coo-coo-coo-coo.
Yeah, that's pretty good.
Woo-coo-coo-coo.
It's a good start.
Yeah.
That is the next part by the way.
I do it all.
Next time we're having one of my friends on the hook so that I can have our little inside
jokes tonight.
We're not friends?
What?
Oh wait.
One of my oldest friends.
I'll tell you that.
I'll tell you what.
Louie, thank you so much for spending time with me.
Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you for spending time with me.
I'm starving and it's been great.
It's been a- and you haven't got a chance to go pee yet?
I know.
I have not.
I have not left once.
I have the letter of a kid three times.
Well the second time was supposed to be a secret.
I have- I left and I didn't say anything and no one said-
Your chair made a noise.
It was a noise.
The listeners know the truth.
Listeners do know the truth because they can go back and hear your chair scooping out
the way.
It's embarrassing.
It's embarrassing to- you're an agent.
It's embarrassing to me.
A human behavior.
You should not fully function like a human at all.
Yeah, exactly.
And when we actually record we can pause and I can go to the restroom.
Louie, thank you so much for being here.
We love you so much.
Yes, seriously, thank you.
I can't wait to see you like an- oh, we can have?
Uh, yes.
Oh, the 27th, I think.
The 27th.
That was exciting.
Louie, thank you not only for being here and hanging out with us tonight, but for everything
that you've done for us.
Yeah.
When it comes to the podcast for the last couple of years, you know.
You and your family.
Yeah, your family, your whole family.
It's been really great and we like to have-
Remember, my mom wants you to come over and make bracelets anytime you want, so you can
go to one or another.
We need to go to California.
No, it's fine.
She's here.
She's there.
Let's go to San Antonio.
Let's go down the street.
Let's go.
We'll do that for sure.
We love that.
I can't wait to see you.
Yay.
And yeah.
Are you ready to do the love you buy with us?
Uh, yeah, sure.
Oh my God, wait, Louie, you're going to be- we've talked this whole time about you being
in town and your mom and your sister don't know.
Yeah, I know.
They're not gonna- well, they know I'm going to be in town, saying don't tell them about
the podcast.
Oh.
We're gonna release it on the 20th of December.
I was like, oh shit, yeah, I could just get a week before you get here.
That was all right.
No, that's fine.
I was saying don't tell them beforehand.
I see.
Oh yeah.
Oh, that's so exciting.
I didn't know that they didn't know that you were going to be on here.
So we're going to sign off to Lisa and Andrea.
And we are going to have Louie do our signature sign off with us.
Are you ready?
Do we have anything else?
Anything else?
Uh, no.
Okay.
All right.
Love you.
Bye.