1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:25,000 Hello. 2 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Hello. 3 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,000 Hello. 4 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Welcome back to another DAK Live. 5 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,000 I'm Koelle. 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,000 I'm Kenna. 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,000 And I'm Louie. 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Hey Louie. 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Hey. 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Hey. 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,000 How's it going? 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,000 Pretty good. 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,000 I'm so excited to have you on the show. 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Woo. 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,000 This is our, what, sixth? 16 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Is it sixth? 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Our sixth installment of DAK Live. 18 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,000 We are recording with Louie and you will tell everyone who that is in a second, but he's 19 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,000 in California. 20 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,000 Yeah. 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,000 We're recording with our other virtual DAK Live and we're really excited because the 22 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,000 sound quality is already great. 23 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,000 It is great. 24 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,000 How's it going, Lou? 25 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,000 It's going all right. 26 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,000 Yeah. 27 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Yeah. 28 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Yeah. 29 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,000 House California weather. 30 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,000 It is actually pretty, pretty nice. 31 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,000 I mean, it rained a day, but it was sunny by the time I got home, so it's not too bad. 32 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,000 Oh, yeah. 33 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,500 It sounds like Texas weather. 34 00:01:15,500 --> 00:01:16,500 Yeah, exactly. 35 00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:17,500 Yeah. 36 00:01:17,500 --> 00:01:18,500 It's all four seasons in one day. 37 00:01:18,500 --> 00:01:19,500 Gosh. 38 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:20,760 It's going to be so cold this week. 39 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,000 It's already been cold today. 40 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:28,000 We had the huge cold front that came in probably two days ago and I mean, 45 mile an hour 41 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,000 winds. 42 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,000 Winds last night, which was bizarre. 43 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,000 It was wind. 44 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,000 Wind. 45 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Two days ago. 46 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Two days ago. 47 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,000 But yeah, no, we could hear it howling in our backyard. 48 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Okay. 49 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,000 The weather? 50 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Yeah. 51 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Yeah. 52 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,000 Yeah. 53 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:51,000 Well, do you want to explain to the listeners that are maybe new about what we do on our 54 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Vicky Lives? 55 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Sure. 56 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,000 We chat. 57 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,000 We chat with a guest and our guest is Louie today and I've known Louie. 58 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 Louie, how long have I known you? 59 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,000 16, 17 years? 60 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,000 Actually, yeah. 61 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Well, right around there, I think it was 2004 since Louis first started hanging out. 62 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Probably 20. 63 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,000 It's 20 years then. 64 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,000 20 years. 65 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,000 To be honest, it was probably 2001 when we met. 66 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,000 That's true. 67 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,000 Yeah. 68 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,000 Yeah. 69 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Absolutely. 70 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,000 That's so bizarre. 71 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,000 I've known Louie longer than I probably know anybody at this point in my life. 72 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,000 Except me. 73 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Except me. 74 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,000 Kind of. 75 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Sitting right here. 76 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Other than family. 77 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000 Yeah. 78 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,000 Yeah. 79 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,000 So cool. 80 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,000 D.A.K. Live. 81 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,000 D.A.K. Live. 82 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,000 We chat. 83 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,000 We talk. 84 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,000 We bond. 85 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,000 We do. 86 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,000 What am I missing, kind of? 87 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,000 I don't know. 88 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000 We just, it's unedited, unfiltered, super raw. 89 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Yeah. 90 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,000 I mean, that's why you're going to hear us moving around a lot, which you normally wouldn't hear 91 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,000 in our episodes. 92 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:52,000 We might hear us clearing our throats, we're exchanging a couple of drinks in the process, 93 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,000 you know, just super casual. 94 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,000 And I will say, I was just thinking about this. 95 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,000 We didn't tell anybody else that lives with us that we were doing a D.A.K. Live. 96 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,000 They probably think that we're just recording and we can pause, which we won't. 97 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,000 So if anyone walks in, that would have to be like, all right, get out. 98 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,000 We'll record your comment. 99 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,000 But yeah. 100 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,000 So it's definitely just a little bit different than what we do normally with our content. 101 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:16,000 And you know, usually it's super scripted, super, you know, casual, but also very uniform. 102 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:21,000 And, you know, rehearsed, not rehearsed, but, you know, it's, it's prepared for, right? 103 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,000 And this is necessarily not, and it's not even topic scripted. 104 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,000 Like we just kind of say, hey, would you like to be a guest on the show? 105 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,000 And here we are. 106 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,000 And now we're just going to chat. 107 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Half of the time we're in our phones or reading out of the DSM-5. 108 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,000 So we're not doing any of that. 109 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,000 We're just hanging out. 110 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,000 That's true. 111 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,000 We have no idea what we're going to do next. 112 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,000 So can we figure out a topic to start us off with? 113 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,000 Sure. 114 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000 Well, Louie, you got to tell us about yourself. 115 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,000 Oh, that's true, Lou. 116 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,000 You got to tell the listeners about yourself because we know you. 117 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Well, let's see. 118 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,000 I'm in California. 119 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:00,000 I spent most of my childhood traveling around for some reason or another. 120 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:08,000 I was, let's see, I went, I met Quell when I was probably still going to Churchill in San Antonio. 121 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:14,000 I ended up there for a couple of, for a couple of years for some reason or another. 122 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:21,000 And she ended up, I think she was dating one of my friends and I met her one time just offhand. 123 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Didn't really realize that I had met her until years later when we started hanging out. 124 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,000 When we went back and we're like, oh, wait a second, that was you. 125 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:36,000 We went to go see what was it, a Rocky Horror Picture Show? 126 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,000 The first time we went to go see something? 127 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,000 No, it was Holy Grail. 128 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Oh, it was Holy Grail. 129 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,000 After playing Case and A, we were just talking about the Money Python series like two days ago. 130 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,000 Yeah, so funny. 131 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Yeah, yeah. 132 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,000 So I think that was like the first time we kind of like hung out. 133 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:01,000 He ended up dating one of my friends and then it wasn't until, I don't even know how long y'all were split before. 134 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:06,000 We started hanging out again, I think, in 2009 and we and her dated in 2004. 135 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,000 So solid five years in between. 136 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Yeah, that's true. 137 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,000 Dang. 138 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,000 And in the military, it was around 2009 when I got back to town. 139 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,000 Yeah, I didn't know that. 140 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,000 And Louie served in the Navy? 141 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,000 Yes. 142 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Yeah. 143 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Yeah, Lou and I used to do this thing. 144 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:26,000 I was working at a snow cone shack and he was delivering pizza. 145 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,000 Oh my God, that's the best. 146 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,000 So I had the radio on, right? 147 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,000 Because, I mean, this is before cell phones had things like Spotify. 148 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,000 Yeah. 149 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:44,000 So the radio would be on and I would text him, go to, you know, one of 2.7, it's Journey or something, you know, or whatever. 150 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Go to Jack FM. 151 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,000 Zombies is playing. 152 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,000 Yeah, or the cranberries. 153 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,000 Yeah, the cranberries. 154 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,000 Or feel it in the, what is it, feel it in the air tonight? 155 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Tom Collins. 156 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,000 Oh my God. 157 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,000 Tom Collins. 158 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Tom Collins is a drink. 159 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,000 He's a lesser known brother, Phil. 160 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:14,000 Yeah, so yeah, Louie and I have known each other for a really long time and what I love about me and Louie's friendship is that he lives in California now. 161 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 Louie, how long have you been living in California now? 162 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:21,000 So I moved back to California in 2012, right before the world ended. 163 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,000 So December 2012. 164 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,000 That's nuts. 165 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Right before that. 166 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Yeah. 167 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:32,000 I don't even feel like it's been that long because Louie's in town at least once a year, if not like three times a year. 168 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,000 So it's pick up where we last left off. 169 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,000 Yeah, definitely. 170 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,000 I have friends like that too. 171 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,000 That's the best friendships. 172 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Now that, yeah, now that I'm doing a little bit better, I can go visit more often. 173 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Like this last year, I think it was at least five times. 174 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,000 I was just there two weeks ago. 175 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,000 I'm going to be there in two weeks. 176 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,000 Well, that's awesome. 177 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:57,000 Hey, Louie, I wanted to ask, are you and Lisa planning on potentially going to Denver to see us? 178 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:03,000 You know, I know we haven't talked about it yet, but that's a very, it's possible. 179 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,000 It's possible. 180 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:12,000 Yeah, it's definitely a ways away, but I know that you guys were super bummed that you couldn't make it to Austin in August when we went to the first True Crime Paranoid Podcast Festival. 181 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:19,000 And I mean, you did way more, you know, even in California than a lot of what we were able to do. 182 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,000 So we really appreciate that. 183 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,000 Louie and Lisa are some of our biggest fans. 184 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,000 They've listened essentially almost since day one. 185 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,000 Yeah. 186 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,000 They've managed all of our content. 187 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Louie is one of our top 1% Spotify listeners, which I love. 188 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,000 And Lisa has been incredibly supportive. 189 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,000 His mom, she's like the one that essentially gave us the bracelet idea. 190 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,000 She made us a bunch of bracelets. 191 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:52,000 So a few of y'all have definitely ordered from us and received a few of those bracelets just as giveaways just because she put a lot of heart into it. 192 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,000 And it was really heartwarming to receive all those from her. 193 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 She's a great mom and a great lady. I love her. 194 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Absolutely. It's been really great to get to know her, of course. 195 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,000 And obviously to know you, Louie, I know that, I mean, you've known me since I was little. 196 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,000 Right? 197 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:14,000 But I don't really have many memories of you until at least the last couple of years, you know, just because of Qualinize age gap. 198 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,000 And I think when the podcast kind of started is when I really, we started hanging out more. 199 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,000 And then I was reconnected with old friends of hers that I hadn't talked to in a long time. 200 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:28,000 Well, I mean, consider your age. You were really little, little like I left in 2012. 201 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,000 Yeah, I was not little. It was a junior high school. 202 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,000 That's little, little to a 20 to a 26 year old. 203 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,000 That's true. 204 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Yeah. Right now I'm like, oh, dude, it's nice. 205 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:48,000 It might not be PC, but I don't hang out with children. It's one of those things. It's like it's weird. 206 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Well, I'm glad that you don't. We share that in common. 207 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Actually, I work with children, but I don't hang out with them outside of Andrea. 208 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,000 Louis's sister is also a huge fan of hers. 209 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,000 Yeah. Yeah. I've heard that too. 210 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,000 Love, love spending time with Andrea. She's sweet. 211 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,000 Yeah, absolutely. 212 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,000 She's pretty obsessed. 213 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Love it. We're obsessed with her. 214 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:13,000 So yeah, absolutely. I think it's still very bizarre when people say that they're like, oh, I'm obsessed with your podcast. 215 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,000 I'm like, people listen to our podcast. 216 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,000 Like, I still don't believe it. 217 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:22,000 It's so funny as that Ken and I recorded an episode last night because we're trying to get ahead of everything, right? 218 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,000 And I won't tell you what the topic is because it hasn't been released yet. 219 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,000 Yeah. 220 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:33,000 But I was at Black Rock Coffee today and I usually get the same attendant every time. 221 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:42,000 And so I ordered my usual and she came, I was listening to the gaslighting episode that had just come out. 222 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:48,000 And I was listening to it in the car and I always feel so terrible because I never... 223 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:54,000 I say in the morning slash afternoon if I've been laying around the house, I get in my car, 224 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,000 I'm just wearing a hoodie and like some jammies essentially. 225 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,000 And I go through the drive-thru and she always asks me, how's your day going? 226 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,000 And I always say, it's just getting started. 227 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,000 It's like one in the afternoon. 228 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,000 And she said, oh, well, do you have any plans for the rest of your day? 229 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,000 And I said, actually, I have a podcast. 230 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,000 Let me just tell you what's on my mind for you. 231 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:22,000 And Kenna definitely talks about the podcast probably 100% more often than I do. 232 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,000 I do. 233 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,000 And so I was like, I have a podcast. 234 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,000 And she's like, a podcast? 235 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,000 What's it about? 236 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,000 It was like psychology and true crime. 237 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,000 She goes, true crime. 238 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,000 I love true crime. 239 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Of course. 240 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:35,000 She goes, but I binged a bunch of true crime at one point and I started getting really paranoid. 241 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,000 And I said, you're hilarious because we just... 242 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Let's talk to her about that. 243 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,000 We just recorded an episode about that. 244 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,000 And so she was like, no way. 245 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000 So I gave her a card and everything. 246 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:52,000 But I forget that just in that interaction, there is some joy that some people get when 247 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000 they're like, true crime. 248 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000 I love true crime. 249 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,000 And then we talk about the psychology and people are invested. 250 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,000 And I like that. 251 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,000 But I just never think. 252 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,000 I guess, I don't know. 253 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,000 I don't know if it's that I'm bashful. 254 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,000 I'm not necessarily modest about it. 255 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,560 It's like, it just doesn't... 256 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:11,920 It's important to me, but I've said this before on the podcast. 257 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,000 I'm not a podcast listener. 258 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,000 I don't listen to podcasts. 259 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,500 I think that might be where it comes from. 260 00:11:16,500 --> 00:11:24,000 A little bit of maybe imposter syndrome of maybe not being as educated on other podcasts. 261 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,000 So you don't want to bring it up because people are going to be like, oh, what are the podcasts 262 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,000 you listen to when you're like... 263 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,000 Still going to happen. 264 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000 What? 265 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,000 I don't listen to those. 266 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,000 And I think that's where it comes out for me. 267 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:39,000 I can relate what I do to other people's content that I've also listened to just because 268 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,000 you're more of a YouTube visual person. 269 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,000 I'm more of a podcast person. 270 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,000 That's just how it is. 271 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,760 Louis, what's your experience in listening to us? 272 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,840 Just because it is, I'm just pulling from the episode, statistically less likely that 273 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,000 a male enjoys true crime. 274 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,000 It is. 275 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Which I like for you. 276 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,360 Well, I don't enjoy true crime. 277 00:11:55,360 --> 00:12:01,440 I really just enjoy listening to you guys talk about when you guys go into it. 278 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,680 So I can relate to that statistic. 279 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:11,000 But it's funny because when I listen to you, I think I've told you this before, listening 280 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,720 to you guys on your podcast, it's like listening to a friend. 281 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,840 And it's something that I appreciate when I get to hear you when you're not around. 282 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:18,840 So it's fun. 283 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:19,840 Yeah. 284 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:20,840 Oh, my God. 285 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,840 Louis, you should start a podcast so I can listen to you all the time. 286 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:24,840 Yeah. 287 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:25,840 Do it. 288 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,720 Or I could just pick up the phone and call you, I guess. 289 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,720 Every once in a while. 290 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,240 No, but that doesn't make sense. 291 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,240 Oh, sorry. 292 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:34,240 Go ahead. 293 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:35,240 Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. 294 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,400 It's really, it really does connect me to you. 295 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,880 I know you're not connected to me and you don't get to hear my side of it, but I'm sitting 296 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,760 here thinking like, you don't know who Chuck Lorre is. 297 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:44,760 What's wrong with you? 298 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:45,760 Me? 299 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:46,760 No, Coelle. 300 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:47,760 Chuck Lorre? 301 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:48,760 Not Chuck. 302 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:49,760 What was his name? 303 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:50,760 Peter. 304 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:51,760 Peter Lorre. 305 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:52,760 Peter Lorre? 306 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:53,760 Who's that? 307 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,240 He came up in one of your last podcasts. 308 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:56,240 Yeah. 309 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:57,760 He was one of the people that I talked about. 310 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:02,760 Yeah, because his daughter was almost somebody who got, when you were going over all of the 311 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:09,120 people who like, you were like doing like the weird gruesome facts on, yeah. 312 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,120 Yeah. 313 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,120 History and Steal Your Killer is episode. 314 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,120 Yeah. 315 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,160 Oh, yeah, I talked about the facts and it was. 316 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,160 Peter Lorre. 317 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,560 Roy Norris and Lawrence Bittaker that almost killed her, then they just said not to because 318 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:20,880 her dad was famous and they were like, no. 319 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:21,880 Oh, yeah. 320 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:22,880 But no, I don't know who that is. 321 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:23,880 Who is that? 322 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:24,880 So, well. 323 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:25,880 He's an actor. 324 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,040 The first thing that pops to mind is Casablanca. 325 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,200 He's the guy who has the tickets in the beginning who gets killed. 326 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,640 He sets off like everything in motion. 327 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,960 But he's like the brave little toaster. 328 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,440 When they make that, there's this weird scene where they do this menacing voice. 329 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,880 He's like, oh my gosh, I'm going to, he's whatever he's doing. 330 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,880 Oh, that guy, the dog's like this. 331 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:47,880 That guy? 332 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,360 They're doing an impression of him. 333 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:50,360 It's like an Igor? 334 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,360 Yeah, they're doing an impression of him. 335 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:53,360 Oh, okay. 336 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,360 I know. 337 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,360 I remember that. 338 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:57,360 Bull G eyes. 339 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:58,360 Bull G eyes. 340 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:59,360 Yeah, okay. 341 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:00,360 Yeah, yeah. 342 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:01,360 Yeah, absolutely. 343 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:02,360 I think of. 344 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:03,360 I know who that is. 345 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:04,360 One to suck your blood is not the same guy. 346 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:05,360 No, it's not the same guy. 347 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:06,360 That's the same guy. 348 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:07,360 No, it's not the same guy. 349 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:08,360 I'm not the same guy. 350 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:09,360 I'm not the same guy. 351 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:10,360 Transylvania is a real place. 352 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:11,360 I didn't fucking know. 353 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:12,360 Oh my god. 354 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:13,360 All right. 355 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:14,360 Like you said, I'm a child. 356 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:15,360 It's okay. 357 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:16,360 And a child. 358 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,360 Mention a chick. 359 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:18,360 Mention a chick. 360 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:19,360 I'm sorry, Louie. 361 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:20,360 I interrupted you. 362 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:21,360 Now I know who Peter Laura is. 363 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:22,360 Okay. 364 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,360 Yeah, that's what they were impressioning on that. 365 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:30,360 Oh, I know why that sounds familiar because the genie did it in Aladdin. 366 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:31,360 Yes. 367 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:32,360 Yes. 368 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:33,360 That's what I was thinking. 369 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,360 I can't bring anybody back from my dead. 370 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:36,360 I don't like doing it. 371 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,360 It's not a pretty picture. 372 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:39,360 Yes. 373 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:40,360 Okay. 374 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:41,360 Yes. 375 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:42,360 I know that. 376 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:43,360 Peter Laura. 377 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,360 For sure. 378 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:45,360 I'll forget it now. 379 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:46,360 Full circle. 380 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:47,360 Yeah, he was kind of iconic for a while. 381 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,360 He was kind of iconic. 382 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:50,360 That's an iconic voice. 383 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:51,360 No, it really is for sure. 384 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:56,360 I was just going to say, it makes sense, Louie, that you were saying that you like to listen 385 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:02,360 to the podcast, hopefully because it's entertaining and educational, but also because the voice 386 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,360 is comforting to you because you have been friends with the quail for so long. 387 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,360 But also, like, I understand what you're saying because, you know, my best friend Lindsay and 388 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:15,360 I, I've known her for, I mean, now it's been, we're 16, so 12 years. 389 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,000 And she was coming over, she lives in Austin. 390 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,440 She was coming over to a house party at Dana's house, they were having a Christmas party. 391 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,000 And the whole time we were both getting ready, she was still in Austin, I was here, we were 392 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,000 on FaceTime together. 393 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,960 And the whole time we were getting ready, and the whole time I was driving to Dana's, 394 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,960 we were on FaceTime, you know, and if I could have been on the phone with her the whole 395 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,240 time she was driving down, I would have, you know. 396 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,560 It's just that familiarity, it makes you feel super comfortable. 397 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,520 You're like, I don't have to even talk about anything. 398 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:45,080 We could just sit on the phone and just be silent, you know, or just be doing our makeup 399 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,840 and not saying anything, but it's still comforting to have that familiar voice. 400 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:49,840 Yeah, for sure. 401 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,720 And I think that also stems from childhood, honestly. 402 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,880 Like, similarly to what they say, like when a baby is being born, right, like you talk 403 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,600 to the baby, like the dad talks to the baby in the womb and the mom does whatever, and 404 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,760 then when the baby's born, it seems like they recognize immediately the sound of like their 405 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,000 mom's voice, you know. 406 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,920 I think it's kind of something similar like that, like it's ingrained in us. 407 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:13,040 Can I just liken this to a baby's, in pregnancy. 408 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:21,520 Everything that you do as an adult stems from something that you did as a child, I think. 409 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,040 She had a face like, I poo pooed her too much. 410 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:25,040 I poo pooed her. 411 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,760 Well, now I feel like the infant of the group. 412 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,200 I mean, be older with my knowledge. 413 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,200 No. 414 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,200 No. 415 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,200 No. 416 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,000 Well, either way, I appreciate you listening to us a lot, Louie. 417 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,000 That's awesome. 418 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,680 Yeah, and all our listeners, for sure. 419 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,520 This is true. 420 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,040 And the reason why I called you out on the movie thing is because that's usually what 421 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,640 I, I mean, I watch movies and TV series all the time. 422 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,520 So I usually have, I'm pretty good with that type of trivia stuff. 423 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:58,520 Oh yeah. 424 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,520 I'm definitely not. 425 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,040 I'm not a movie girl. 426 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,640 In that 45 mile an hour wind last night, Cliff and I were still trying to watch how 427 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,680 I met your mother outside. 428 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:08,680 Outside. 429 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:09,680 Yeah. 430 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,240 We have a TV outside, so Cliff and I like to sit out there and have a few drinks and 431 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:14,680 like watch how I met your mother. 432 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:15,680 That's like kind of a thing. 433 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,480 We're in the seventh episode, by the way. 434 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:18,480 The seventh season? 435 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:19,480 I mean season, yeah. 436 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:20,480 I was like, episode. 437 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:21,480 You've been watching that for a while. 438 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,440 You're only in the seventh episode. 439 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:24,440 We pause a lot. 440 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:25,440 Yeah. 441 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:26,440 Yeah, we're in the seventh season. 442 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,040 Oh gosh, what was the last episode you watched? 443 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,360 It was, do it on my phone. 444 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:34,040 That's my empty can of Waikawa. 445 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,040 One second. 446 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:42,360 It's, where is it? 447 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:46,160 Definitely after Zoe and Ted got together. 448 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:47,160 For sure. 449 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,920 And last time you were right before that. 450 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:50,920 Yeah. 451 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,120 God, Zoe. 452 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:53,760 It's like you like Zoe. 453 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:54,760 No, you. 454 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,400 I love Zoe, but they made her really, really stupid at the end. 455 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,960 I'm going to excuse myself for a minute or two. 456 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,360 I need to use the restroom and this is a DAK live, so. 457 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:04,360 Yeah, go for it. 458 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:06,360 Can you get me a Waikawa? 459 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:07,360 Thank you. 460 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:08,360 Absolutely. 461 00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:09,360 All right. 462 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:10,360 Is she gone? 463 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:11,360 Can we talk about her now? 464 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:12,360 No, I'm just kidding. 465 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:13,360 Yes, we can talk about her. 466 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:14,360 She's gone. 467 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:18,360 She cleared her throat so hard when she walked away. 468 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:19,360 Typical. 469 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:20,360 Let's see. 470 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:21,360 Yeah. 471 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:23,360 Oh, we just got to Coots. 472 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:24,360 Oh gosh. 473 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:25,360 Martin Short. 474 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:26,360 Oh yeah. 475 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:27,360 Oh God. 476 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:28,360 He's great. 477 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:29,360 Yeah. 478 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:30,360 Marshall is he's a job? 479 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:31,360 Yeah. 480 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:32,360 Oh my God. 481 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:34,360 Is it San...no, it's not Sandy. 482 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:35,800 That's Sandy Rivers. 483 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,960 It's a...oh gosh, what's his first name? 484 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:40,960 Sandy Rivers? 485 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:41,960 Yeah, Alexis Denisov? 486 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,960 No, I'm not talking about Martin. 487 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,360 I'm talking about Martin Short. 488 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:46,360 Martin Short. 489 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:47,360 What's his first name though? 490 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:48,360 His last name is Coots. 491 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:49,360 It's like Daryl or something? 492 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:50,360 I'm not entirely sure. 493 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:51,360 Daryl. 494 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:56,520 Yeah, it's a Season 7 Episode 2. 495 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,360 Marshall receives the job offer of his dreams. 496 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:00,360 Don't worry is that. 497 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:01,360 Oh yeah. 498 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:02,360 Oh, the streaking video. 499 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:03,360 Yeah, it's a what is it? 500 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:04,360 The Naked Truth. 501 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:05,360 Beer Killies. 502 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:06,360 That's what it was. 503 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:07,360 It's me, Beer Killies. 504 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:09,360 And he's like, alright, see you tomorrow, Beer Killies. 505 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:11,360 So good. 506 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:12,360 Oh yeah. 507 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:13,360 It's such a good show. 508 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:14,360 It's a good one. 509 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:17,360 Yeah, he's like, oh, what is he? 510 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:22,360 He said, oh, my that's a...my that's a big snake. 511 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:27,360 Oh, and he saw a snake and he's like, no, I'm talking about your penis. 512 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:30,360 Well, I'm glad you said it. 513 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:34,360 Oh my goodness. 514 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:35,360 Yeah. 515 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:36,360 How cold is it right now? 516 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:40,360 I mean, I'm sitting, I don't really get too cold. 517 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:43,360 It's not too cold right now because it's still daylight. 518 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:45,360 No, the sun's probably down by now. 519 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:47,360 It's probably like 50, 55. 520 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:52,360 Yeah, I don't know what temperature it is right now, but we're going to New York like, 521 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:55,360 oh gosh, probably the day after this airs. 522 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:56,360 Oh, okay. 523 00:19:56,360 --> 00:20:01,360 And yeah, I'm just, it's like one of the worst winter storms. 524 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:03,360 We're going to go, I'm going to go meet Cliff's dad. 525 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:04,360 I'm so excited. 526 00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:09,360 And yeah, we're probably going to be held up at his dad's place for like an entire week 527 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:12,360 because it's just going to be too cold, too snowy. 528 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:14,360 Everything's going to be probably packed in. 529 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:15,360 Oh yeah. 530 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:16,360 But I'm excited. 531 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:20,360 Yeah, I'm going to be, when I, when I fly out there, I'm going to be flying through Denver 532 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:25,360 and I'm like, oh no, please, please make it. 533 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:28,360 Oh, so much more wine. 534 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:30,360 Oh, so much more wine. 535 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:32,360 That was the key. 536 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:33,360 What episode is that in? 537 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:34,360 Cause I feel like I missed it. 538 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:36,360 I think you did. 539 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:38,360 Because, oh, so much more wine. 540 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:40,360 God, it was. 541 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:45,360 Was that when she's on the dinner with Marshall? 542 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:47,360 And they can't find anything to talk about? 543 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:51,360 No, it's, no, that is, it's Ted says it. 544 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:52,360 Oh, okay. 545 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:54,360 I thought it was Robin that said it. 546 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:59,360 He says, like he says something awkward and then, and then he says like, oh, so much more wine. 547 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:05,360 He's trying to, like he needs to like drink past that situation, which is, you know, always fun. 548 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:06,360 Alright, she's back. 549 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:07,360 We're going to be talking soon. 550 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:08,360 Alright, quiet. 551 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:10,360 Alright, no more K nasty talk. 552 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:11,360 Got it. 553 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:15,360 Why still can't hear Louie if he's talking because I have my headset on. 554 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,360 Oh, just realized that. 555 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:21,360 Oh, so I still could have, no, I'm just going to. 556 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:23,360 No, never mind, never mind. 557 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:24,360 She's back. 558 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:25,360 She's back. 559 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:28,360 Alright, well, this is going live in public. 560 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:30,360 So it could be fun. 561 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:32,360 Let's see. 562 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:34,360 So what else is there? 563 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:35,360 Let's see. 564 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:36,360 What else is there? 565 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:37,360 Like we've run out of things to talk about. 566 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:43,360 So I also noticed because I know I'd asked Coel to think about this because my, because 567 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:51,360 my diagnosis was eight, well, I'm ADD, ADHD and ODD, which is the two everybody knows. 568 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:54,360 The other one is oppositional defiant disorder. 569 00:21:54,360 --> 00:22:02,360 And having, I'm growing up with that was extremely crazy. 570 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:07,360 And I don't, and you guys were talking over about, they aren't, they, I mean, they're, 571 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:10,360 they're exclusive, but they're not entirely mutually exclusive. 572 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:14,360 So what I looked it up is you can't get really diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder 573 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:16,360 without having ADD. 574 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:17,360 Okay. 575 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:18,360 So, okay. 576 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:25,760 So it makes sense that I was diagnosed with that with all three because at the time that 577 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,360 they were considered separate. 578 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:32,360 I'm pretty sure ADHD is now considered part of a spectrum of ADD now, I think. 579 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:33,360 Yeah, it actually is. 580 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:34,360 I did an episode on that. 581 00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:36,360 It's called ADHD versus ADD. 582 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:37,360 What's the difference? 583 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:39,360 So if anyone's interested in just a deep dive in that. 584 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:40,360 Yeah. 585 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:41,360 Pepper that in. 586 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:42,360 Of course I have to. 587 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:43,360 Yeah. 588 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:47,640 My, and this is, this is something that I, I mean, I knew that we, this topic might come 589 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:57,640 up, so I briefly Googled it, but is it that ODD is a precursor for ADD or ADHD? 590 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,840 No, you have to have ADD to be diagnosed with ODD. 591 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,840 So it would actually be the other way around kind of. 592 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,760 Oh, but is it an age bracket? 593 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:14,200 You typically get diagnosed as a child, but it's, it's, I don't think it's something you 594 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,360 ever really grow out of. 595 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:17,360 It's. 596 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:24,760 It's something that I know I have to cognizantly think about when I want to respond because 597 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,360 my knee jerk reaction is to automatically oppose what anybody else says. 598 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:30,360 Okay. 599 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:31,360 Interesting. 600 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:32,360 That's very interesting. 601 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:33,360 And that's also really cool that you have that awareness. 602 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:34,360 Sorry. 603 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:35,360 Go ahead. 604 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:36,360 You have to. 605 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:39,360 Otherwise most people with my diagnosis don't really make it on the streets. 606 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:40,360 Yeah, absolutely. 607 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:41,360 No, I don't. 608 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:42,360 And I understand why. 609 00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:46,840 And like Will said, I briefly researched it as well, but I also have my own prior knowledge 610 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,480 about it as well. 611 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:54,160 But if I'm not mistaken, ASD, so Autism Spectrum Disorder is also some of one of the other 612 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:59,280 disorders that can comorbidly happen with ODD. 613 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,040 And it is because a lot of the time, like I work in behavior therapy. 614 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,040 I'm not sure if I know that, you know, that listeners maybe not might not know that, but 615 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:12,240 I work with kiddos on the spectrum and a lot of their behavior, I mean, I work with just 616 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,240 the behaviors. 617 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,400 I don't do speech therapy, occupational therapy, physical therapy. 618 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,000 I do behavior therapy. 619 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,200 So, all we focus on is their behaviors. 620 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,760 A lot of it can look very similar to ODD. 621 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:28,400 And then there's other things that coincide with the ODD, if you will, symptoms that would 622 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,240 put them on the spectrum rather than ODD. 623 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,680 So you're right, Louie, like it's not a very known disorder because it's not diagnosed 624 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,640 very often because usually I think, if I'm not mistaken, it can be just put on another 625 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,720 disorder like ADHD or ASD, things like that. 626 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:44,720 Interesting. 627 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,400 But it certainly can come off that way because it has such, it's like such a severe knee jerk 628 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,400 reaction. 629 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,520 So it's almost, I mean, it's almost obsessive. 630 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,920 You know, like it's very hard or compulsive, I mean. 631 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,200 So it's very hard. 632 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,800 It's very hard not to diagnose it. 633 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:07,440 I went to, when I was in third grade, my fourth school of the third grade year that I didn't 634 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:13,520 get kicked out of was they sent me to UCI Irvine to the Child Development Center there, 635 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,240 which is where I got the diagnosis. 636 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:22,240 It's where they went through and tested a whole bunch of different medications for, I was in 637 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,840 a school basically full of kids with ADD and ADHD or different versions thereof. 638 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:33,800 And that's the entire project of the school was to test medication and therapy and see 639 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,240 how they can help treat students. 640 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,840 I mean, I was in third grade going through that. 641 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:40,840 It was crazy. 642 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:41,840 Definitely. 643 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:42,840 It's incredible. 644 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,720 And you don't want me asking how old were you when you got diagnosed? 645 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,720 Eight. 646 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,720 Eight, okay. 647 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,360 I was just going to say I'm thinking of the way that people get diagnosed or kids get 648 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:57,760 diagnosed now with ADHD and especially ASD, like I feel like it's a lot more common now 649 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:03,440 for children to get diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder because it's more aware. 650 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,120 People are more aware of what it means to be on the spectrum. 651 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:09,920 And now that it is a spectrum, it's not Asperger's or something different. 652 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,440 It's a spectrum disorder, right? 653 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,800 So you can be on the low end of the spectrum or on the high end. 654 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,560 And I feel like that gives physicians, I'm not trying to be rude, but it gives physicians 655 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:27,240 kind of a really big opportunity to just put someone on ASD, like instead of really pinpointing 656 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,280 exactly what's going on. 657 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,720 And so, ODD does not get diagnosed as much as it used to maybe or just in general. 658 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,200 I mean, also that could also be just a write-off. 659 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:41,000 That was kind of what they were trying to write me off as before my actual diagnosis 660 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,000 came through. 661 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,640 They were trying to say I was autistic or I had a learning disability. 662 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,000 And that really wasn't the issue. 663 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,840 I could learn very easily. 664 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:58,360 I was actually quite ahead at the time, but my problem was literally everything else. 665 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:00,360 Focus was the hard one. 666 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:05,320 Yeah, I've been diagnosed with ADD in my childhood. 667 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:12,520 And I mean, what's interesting is that growing up, our grandmother on my mom's side, Ma, 668 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,560 she was diagnosed with adult ADD. 669 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,520 And I'm like, oh, there's a difference when I was a kid. 670 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,480 And so when I got my diagnosis, I was in elementary school. 671 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,520 I don't specifically remember the year, maybe second, third grade. 672 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:30,920 And the mom had said, well, your mom has adult ADD. 673 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,560 And I was thinking, oh, there's like phases. 674 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,560 Yeah. 675 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,640 No, it is just you just learned to cope. 676 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:45,600 And my focus, and especially in the last few years, I didn't realize what I was doing was 677 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,800 coping and that I was creating coping mechanisms. 678 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,160 But now it's like verbal. 679 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:56,800 I have to say out loud, if I'm being asked to do something, I say ADD interruption. 680 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:57,800 And that's all. 681 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,000 It just means I'm focused on a task right now. 682 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,000 Give me one second. 683 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,040 Let me finish what I'm doing. 684 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,840 And there's still days where I walk into a room and I'm like, the fuck am I doing in 685 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,840 here? 686 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,160 And I'm like, oh, shit, what is that? 687 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:17,440 And it's just things pile and I have to prioritize in a way that makes sense to me. 688 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:23,600 And I can understand how frustrating that might be in a structured setting like school, 689 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:30,000 especially elementary school, middle school, high school is a little bit, yeah, I was excited, 690 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,960 the military, that I can. 691 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:33,960 That was rough. 692 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:34,960 Good. 693 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:35,960 I bet. 694 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:36,960 The structure of the setting. 695 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,200 The funny thing about that structured setting is they have an order of orders. 696 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,760 And it's weird because it's reversed. 697 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,400 You have to do the last order you received first and work your way backwards. 698 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:56,960 Unless they say something specific, like this is to be done first and then gives you a list. 699 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,000 But typically they'll go by the order of orders, the first things that you do is the last thing 700 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,800 told and that's the most important. 701 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,640 So you want that one and then everything else needs to get done. 702 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,640 That's complicated. 703 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,760 If I'm not mistaken, I've not not mistaken, but just my interpretation of what you just 704 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:17,360 said, I think that that might be a tactic maybe on their end to see how well you're listening 705 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,920 and paying attention to what they said. 706 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,320 Like I'm going to give you all these things to do. 707 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,360 You need to remember the last thing I said first instead of the first thing I said first, 708 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,880 like someone would normally do, right? 709 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,880 And then we'll see how good your attention to detail is and how good you are at taking 710 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,200 orders and things like that. 711 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,200 That's just my opinion. 712 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,200 I don't know. 713 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,200 I'm just thinking. 714 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,760 I don't know what the thought process behind it was, but it was not easy. 715 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,320 Yeah, I don't doubt it. 716 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:49,760 That is for maybe the listeners that don't experience ADD or something that's maybe 717 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,800 a learning disability that's similar to that. 718 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,760 That's exactly the way that it feels. 719 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,120 But it's not somebody telling me to do that. 720 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,440 It's what my brain does. 721 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:04,040 My brain tells me that the last thing that you just said is the first priority. 722 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,920 And then I forget about everything else that happened before that. 723 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,080 Everything else goes out the window. 724 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,240 Yeah, because I'm like, oh no, this needs to be done now because somebody's asking me 725 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,240 to do it. 726 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,400 And my brain automatically says that's the most important thing. 727 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,400 Yeah, of course. 728 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,880 And I forget about everything else. 729 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,600 So it's like by the time my day is ending, I'm like, well, shit, I didn't finish my laundry. 730 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,720 Fuck, I didn't, you know, I didn't do this or that. 731 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,160 Or I finished my homework or anything like that because I was asked to do so many things 732 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,760 after I had made these things a priority. 733 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,720 And so yeah, that's exactly the way that it feels. 734 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,200 We've talked about it before on the podcast about procrastination. 735 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,800 Have we done a full mental breakdown on it? 736 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,000 I don't think we have, right? 737 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,000 But we... 738 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,000 Louis, did we do a full breakdown? 739 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,000 Yeah, you can tell us. 740 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,000 No, no, I don't think so. 741 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,880 Well, I think we should because I've actually learned a lot about procrastination, especially 742 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,200 going through my master's program and stuff. 743 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:58,440 And I actually learned that when it comes to procrastinating, your brain just tells 744 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,080 you to do the easiest task on the list. 745 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,400 Or maybe not the easiest task, but the like, maybe the least time consuming task or the 746 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,960 easiest or whatever. 747 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,120 Does it matter what's more urgent? 748 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:13,880 If I tell myself, for example, I have a paper due on Friday, I need to get laundry done. 749 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,360 I need to record the podcast, right? 750 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:24,040 Whatever is the quickest to get done or something that will satisfy me about just doing it, 751 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,880 I'm more likely to do that first, even though there's something else that might be more 752 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,880 pressing, right? 753 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,720 Instead of cooking, I'm going to go to a restaurant. 754 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,960 Well, maybe, maybe. 755 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:32,960 That's me. 756 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,160 Maybe, but that's drive time. 757 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,160 For sure, exactly. 758 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,680 So like, let's say like I have a paper due on Thursday, the podcast is due on Friday. 759 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:45,080 I'm doing research for the podcast due on Friday, even though my paper is due on Thursday, 760 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,560 because I know I can get this done and then I'll be satisfied. 761 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,040 And then come Thursday, I'm like, shit, I can do this paper. 762 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,040 That's me. 763 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,040 That's me. 764 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,080 That's how the human brain works. 765 00:31:55,080 --> 00:32:01,240 It's not like maybe not pointed towards one disorder or whatever. 766 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,520 Anybody, like we say with a brain, can have this experience. 767 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,520 Right. 768 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,120 And I feel like a lot of listeners might relate to that, because I definitely did when I read 769 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,120 that. 770 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,120 I was like, oh, shit, that's me. 771 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:14,080 But yeah, no, I definitely understand that mindset about it. 772 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,080 Silence. 773 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,080 Go, Lou. 774 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,080 Oh, I just popped it up. 775 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,680 Oh, I'm going to break the silence somehow. 776 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,680 Oh yeah. 777 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,200 Well, I mean, I was going to say, because kind of mentioned the master's thing, I am actually 778 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,720 really proud that you're going through that. 779 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,880 I know it's like by pro, I'm just like really proud of you for doing that and hope and continuing 780 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,880 your education. 781 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:34,880 I think that's awesome of you. 782 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:35,880 Thank you. 783 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,560 I have a lot of imposter syndrome about it. 784 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,120 She got like clenched. 785 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,160 She gave me a little, like a baby bottom lip. 786 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,280 I was like, whoop whoop whoop. 787 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,280 Thank you. 788 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,440 No, it definitely means a lot, because it's been, I will say, I've gone through three 789 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,320 courses already, two semesters technically. 790 00:32:53,320 --> 00:33:00,280 It's been, I don't want to say easy, but I have not found myself particularly challenged 791 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,440 just yet, just because I'm studying something that I really, yeah, right. 792 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,960 Go, read our, go, read our. 793 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,200 And that's what dad said. 794 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,280 Write your dissertation. 795 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,280 It's fine. 796 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,280 Right. 797 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,440 On my birthday. 798 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,560 You will be Dr. Salinas. 799 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,560 Yeah. 800 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,560 Oh, that's true. 801 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,800 But no, by the time I get my doctorate, hopefully I'll be Dr. Brinsky. 802 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:19,800 Dr. Brinsky. 803 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,800 Dr. Brinsky to. 804 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:21,800 Remember that girl? 805 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:27,120 You guys did a, you did one on one of the killers that was doctor and she wouldn't, 806 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,400 she went by her original name. 807 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,520 Oh, not Susan Smith. 808 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:31,520 What was her name? 809 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:32,520 The one that shot the other doctors. 810 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,520 The one that shot the doctors. 811 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,520 What was her name? 812 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:35,520 Oh, that was your case. 813 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,520 I know. 814 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,520 What was her name? 815 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,520 I don't remember. 816 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:39,520 We've done so many cases now. 817 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,400 She, she kept her last name because she wanted to be. 818 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,400 Doctor. 819 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,640 That doctor so and so. 820 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,520 Okay, but, okay, but hear me out. 821 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,040 You don't want to be Dr. Salinas. 822 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,040 Crazy anatomy. 823 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,040 Here's the thing. 824 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,800 If I get my doctorate before I'm married, I will go by Dr. Salinas. 825 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:56,800 Yeah. 826 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:57,800 Because I got my doctor under that name. 827 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:58,800 Exactly. 828 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,000 If I get my doctorate under de Brinsky, I'll get my doctorate. 829 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,000 Dr. de Brinsky. 830 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,160 No, you have to rush to get married in order to put de Brinsky on that doctorate. 831 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,160 People are not able to pronounce that. 832 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,720 Dr. de Brinsky. 833 00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:12,920 Dr. de Brinsky is what they're going to say. 834 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:13,920 Dr. de Brinsky. 835 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,440 And that's fine because I love that man. 836 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,440 All right. 837 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,440 Casey goes by de Brinsky. 838 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,440 Casey does not go by de Brinsky. 839 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,440 Okay. 840 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,680 People call him de Brinsky. 841 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,480 Because in high school, when he was on the football team, which he's been a baseball 842 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,280 player his whole life, but he played football for maybe a year or two in high school. 843 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,280 Amy Bishop. 844 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,240 The coach could not pronounce his last name. 845 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:34,240 When he goes de Brinsky. 846 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:35,240 De Brinsky. 847 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:36,240 De Brinsky. 848 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:39,440 And then ever since then it was like, oh doobie. 849 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,840 My, our mutual friends from high school still refer to him as that. 850 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,600 I'm like, I don't know who that is. 851 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,600 Yeah. 852 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,000 They don't really try too hard out there on names. 853 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,000 Yeah. 854 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,000 Exactly. 855 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,640 Hey, but you fight for that doctorate. 856 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,440 You whatever, whatever your last name is, you just have to think I want to get a doctorate. 857 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,000 And it deserves the respect. 858 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,240 But dad said, okay, so this is a story. 859 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:02,240 Dad said. 860 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:03,560 Dad said. 861 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:09,200 On my 28th birthday, last July, July 2023, we went out to dinner with everybody right 862 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,280 before we left for the coast for the weekend. 863 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:17,120 And that was, I had gotten my acceptance letter for grad school in June. 864 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,240 And I hadn't told anybody, well I had told you guys, but I hadn't told like my closest 865 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,560 friends and I was waiting for a time to announce it. 866 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,840 I hadn't put it on social media or anything. 867 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,400 And I told mom, I said, this is perfect. 868 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,400 All of my closest friends are going to be at this dinner on my birthday. 869 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,880 Why don't we announce it there? 870 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,720 I said, why don't you announce it there? 871 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:34,720 Because mom always prays over the table. 872 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:38,720 I ask her to, you know, especially at times like my birthday, I said, why don't you go 873 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:42,480 ahead and we'll do a prayer and then I want you guys, I want you to tell everyone the 874 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,480 news. 875 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:44,480 And then of course mom cries. 876 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,120 She always does on the prayers, which I think it's sweet. 877 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,120 It makes us all cry. 878 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,120 It makes us all cry. 879 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,920 Well, then I said, go ahead and tell them my announcement. 880 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,880 And she said, you know, Kenna's going to, it wasn't even dad. 881 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,960 It was mom, she was going to be, you know, pursuing her education and pursuing her master's 882 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,880 in forensic psychology with applied research, blah, blah. 883 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,080 And she's crying and she goes, and then she's going to go on and get her doctor. 884 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,080 Okay, bye. 885 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,480 And I was like, whoa, whoa, I did not say that. 886 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,480 What a birthday wish. 887 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,480 Right. 888 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,560 And then I don't even know when it was. 889 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,280 I think I got drunk one night, which is the story of my life. 890 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,320 And I talked to dad one night. 891 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,320 Just one. 892 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,880 And I was talking to dad and I said something and he goes, I know you're going to do great 893 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:22,880 things, honey. 894 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,360 I just know you're going to go on to get your doctor and you're going to be a doctor. 895 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,040 And I was like, whoa, there again. 896 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,640 But I'm like, but you cried. 897 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,840 And dad said it and I cried and I was like, no, I can't not do it. 898 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:33,840 Like it's dad. 899 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,840 It's dad. 900 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,640 I don't know anything for dad. 901 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:40,640 Exactly. 902 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,640 Anyway, on that note, on that note, I was. 903 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,640 Yeah, I actually dated a doctor forensic psychologist. 904 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,640 Oh, really? 905 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:51,640 Yeah. 906 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,640 When I told her I was diagnosed recently, right? 907 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:55,640 Yeah. 908 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,080 I told her I was diagnosed with ADD and ODD as a kid. 909 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,640 She goes, how are you not in jail? 910 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:07,640 Because she was like, everybody she knows that has ODD is in the system. 911 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,640 That's really interesting. 912 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:09,640 Because that's part of her. 913 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,640 Well, that's part of her job. 914 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:11,640 Well, that's part of her. 915 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,640 Do you feel like that's, go ahead. 916 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:19,520 As a forensic psychologist, her job was to was working with inmates. 917 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,280 So everybody she knew was was in the system. 918 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,280 It wasn't just me. 919 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,400 She found a commonality then. 920 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,400 Is that what you're saying? 921 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,080 I think that makes a little bit more sense. 922 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:34,520 I was going to say, at the chance of putting my foot in my mouth, that's a little bit 923 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,120 ignorant. 924 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:41,280 Because you don't want to assume anybody that has a diagnosis is going to end like that. 925 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,280 Even if it's, oh, I'm on the schizophrenia disorder. 926 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,280 How are you not in jail? 927 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,280 You know? 928 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,600 I just feel that's how I perceived it. 929 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,800 But now that you said she works with inmates, that makes me understand that a little more. 930 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,720 That's a commonality and not really like the exception to the rule. 931 00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:56,720 Exactly. 932 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,800 I do have a question though. 933 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:05,960 Coming from a hopefully potential forensic psychologist in the future to Louie. 934 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:11,440 Did you ever get suspected of or do you ever suspect yourself of or get diagnosed with 935 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,440 a convict disorder? 936 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,720 Because usually if I'm not mistaken, ODD, if not treated properly, not to say that you 937 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:23,920 weren't treated properly, but growing up it can lead into conduct disorder into adulthood. 938 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,800 So I don't know what you mean by, I wouldn't have that as a disorder, never diagnosed 939 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,680 anyways, but the, did I, did I do bad conduct? 940 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,400 Yeah, I was an awful person for a long time. 941 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,360 No, that's just, I'm just curious because like I said with the little research that 942 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,720 I do have on ODD, like you said it's usually diagnosed in young adulthood, or young childhood, 943 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:47,720 excuse me. 944 00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:52,880 And then after a certain age it actually can't be diagnosed and it turns into if you will 945 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:53,880 conduct disorder. 946 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:54,880 Well, that makes sense. 947 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,040 Yeah, I mean, I know we did a lot of crazy stuff. 948 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,160 I mean, we stole a car once. 949 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,080 We, I don't know, we did all sorts of stuff. 950 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,520 Hey, bum's the word, okay? 951 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,840 Don't be revealing shit out of your lawn. 952 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,320 We've buried a man once. 953 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,080 Oh no, no, no, no, no. 954 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,880 I'm the next subject for this. 955 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,120 We never heard anybody. 956 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,240 That was not really a thing. 957 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:23,560 We fought each other all the time, but we never heard anybody else. 958 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,080 Oh gosh, that's not, yeah, sounds like me and Cameron. 959 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,080 Sorry, kind of. 960 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:37,360 Yeah, but you know, do you think Lou, or may I ask, how do you look back at that time and 961 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,440 feel like there's a reclamation at a certain point? 962 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:48,760 Like you know that you, you know, I wouldn't use the term like a bad person or a bad kid, 963 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,640 but how do you, how do you go through the motions? 964 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,760 Like have you processed a lot of that stuff and just felt like, well, it was when it was 965 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,160 when it was, and then now I have a better handle on it? 966 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,680 Yeah, I've got a, I'm pretty good at compartmentalizing that, that way, where I go. 967 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,560 That's just who I was at that time. 968 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,320 That's not who I am anymore. 969 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,440 And I don't really have to worry about it because fortunately there really isn't that 970 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,200 much, you know, like there's stuff that we did. 971 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,560 Everything ended well, nothing ended bad, no one ever really got hurt, no one ever really 972 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,000 knew what some beers, a couple of beer runs, you know, whatever. 973 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,000 Yeah. 974 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,400 Like not too much ended up in a bad way, so kind of worked. 975 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,360 So thankfully nothing crazy happened. 976 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:33,360 Yeah. 977 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,720 Well, well, crazy stuff happened, but yeah. 978 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:41,280 Did you feel like at any point you were maybe influenced by other people or do you feel like 979 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,280 it? 980 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,280 Absolutely. 981 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,640 I mean, I was a shithead too. 982 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,640 I went around with a bunch of shitheads, you know. 983 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,400 I was along for the ride. 984 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,200 I was just very down to do whatever, but I never came up with any of those, any of the 985 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:55,200 crazy shit that we did. 986 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,160 That was just a product of, you know, me being there. 987 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:06,240 Do you think that at certain points maybe it's again, like the influence and that it's 988 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:11,560 kind of like it escalated because the people that you were around were kind of, I guess 989 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:16,400 my question is, is that did everybody that you think that you were associating with also 990 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:23,040 have ODD or is it just that you're surrounded and there's, you know, kids will be kids kind 991 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,000 of a thing and then it just escalates? 992 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,880 High school, just degenerate types. 993 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,640 I mean, my best friends wouldn't thank God, you know, of all the weird random things, 994 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:40,440 because I know you remember Doc, but when we were 18, when we were 18 was when I left 995 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:50,040 Texas, when me and, what's her name broke up, that when I left Texas, I had made a, 996 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,040 me and Doc had made a promise. 997 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,160 I was like, I'm not going to do any drugs for one year. 998 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,360 And that year, all of my friends decided to try meth for the first time when I went back 999 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,360 to college. 1000 00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,360 Oh my gosh. 1001 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:05,960 They were on a whole nother level for an entire year and I was just there sober. 1002 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,240 Like, like, oh, this is what you guys want to do. 1003 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:10,240 Okay. 1004 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:13,640 You guys, all right, all right, let's go on. 1005 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:21,000 I think that ended with one of them ending up in jail twice when we were 18. 1006 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,560 You're absolutely speaking on the same plane. 1007 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,240 I not to interrupt you. 1008 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:27,240 I'm sorry. 1009 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,040 Oh, go for it. 1010 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:36,120 I hung out with a group of people that, you know, again, I've been diagnosed with ADD 1011 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,200 and I'm going to come back to that link. 1012 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:47,560 But I spent time with a group of people that also decided to get into heavy drugs and I 1013 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:55,240 was treated like little sister and at one point I was over at someone's house and they 1014 00:42:55,240 --> 00:43:00,520 decided to do drugs and I'm not going to even talk about the kind of drugs but essentially 1015 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,920 I was told, turn your back. 1016 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,080 I don't want you to look at me. 1017 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,080 You're my little sister. 1018 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:11,280 And I did and I was like, and you know, at a certain point it was almost like, do you 1019 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,280 want to? 1020 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,040 And I was like, absolutely not. 1021 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:20,040 And I find that very interesting that he being diagnosed with ODD and me ADD, what is that 1022 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,040 in our brains? 1023 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:26,040 Like we tend to be, you know, a little bit more, I guess, rebellious or... 1024 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,400 I think I got lucky because I'm very, I'm loyal. 1025 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,400 So when I said I wasn't going to do it for one year, I wasn't. 1026 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,960 But if I hadn't said that, I very likely would have been right there with him. 1027 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:39,960 That's so true. 1028 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:40,960 You know what I mean? 1029 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,120 Yeah, because I had a friend in that group that definitely said, don't you ever let me 1030 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,440 fucking catch you with this shit. 1031 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,000 And I was like, okay. 1032 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,000 Yeah. 1033 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,000 Very interesting. 1034 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,480 And I can make a statement and not even just to you, Louis, but to Koel as well. 1035 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,920 I don't know if lucky is the word that I would use. 1036 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,920 I think, I mean, that was a choice that you made. 1037 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,000 And that was you. 1038 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,320 You didn't have someone else influencing you to make that choice and you made it. 1039 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,240 I don't, I wouldn't call that luck. 1040 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:12,960 I think that that's someone that has a really good head on their shoulders and someone that 1041 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,040 is capable of making really great decisions. 1042 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,040 Well, if you knew Doc... 1043 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,600 And you did in that moment. 1044 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:24,080 If you knew Doc, you know that was luck because Doc was an awful person too. 1045 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,080 Yeah. 1046 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:30,800 But at the same time, like you could have, I don't know Doc, but I'm saying, in my opinion, 1047 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,000 you could have done just what Doc did, you know, and you chose not to. 1048 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,760 And I think that speaks very highly of you. 1049 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,000 And I'm saying this as a huge compliment, you know? 1050 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:48,200 That tells me that you have that had and still have, of course, that mentality of, fuck that, 1051 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,200 you know, I'm not going to do that. 1052 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,800 It's going to ruin my life, you know, or whatever. 1053 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:57,320 And even being able to make that decision at 18 is really admirable and super incredible. 1054 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,880 So I commend you for that for sure. 1055 00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,880 Thanks. 1056 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,880 I think it's also because we're Capricorns, but whatever. 1057 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:02,880 Yeah. 1058 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,720 Your birthday is like tomorrow, right? 1059 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:06,120 Something really close. 1060 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,120 Tomorrow, the day after. 1061 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,120 Now you just dated the episode. 1062 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:13,480 But also, it's going to, oh, it's okay. 1063 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,880 We, no, it's all right. 1064 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:20,320 We're going to actually probably post this on the 20th, which will be after Louis' birthday. 1065 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,920 So it's our birthday episode. 1066 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:22,920 There you go. 1067 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:23,920 Which is great. 1068 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:24,920 Yeah, count it. 1069 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:25,920 The worst. 1070 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:26,920 Yeah. 1071 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:27,920 The worst. 1072 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,920 Oh my God, can we keep that clip forever? 1073 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,680 Can I go back and keep that clip forever? 1074 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:35,680 The worst. 1075 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,960 No, but that is really, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really, 1076 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:38,960 it's really, really, really, really close in the world. 1077 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:39,960 Really great. 1078 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:45,860 And I mean, I, again, not licensed to diagnose, but I don't know. 1079 00:45:45,860 --> 00:45:46,860 You know what? 1080 00:45:46,860 --> 00:45:47,860 Never mind. 1081 00:45:47,860 --> 00:45:49,860 I was going to say, I don't think maybe you should have been diagnosed with that, but 1082 00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:50,860 I also don't know. 1083 00:45:50,860 --> 00:45:53,680 I don't know what you went through and what happened. 1084 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,400 So I probably can't say that. 1085 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,440 Well, like I was saying, that was third grade. 1086 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,360 That was my fourth school that I had gotten kicked out of two other, three others before 1087 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:03,360 that. 1088 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,360 Yeah. 1089 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,120 But I mean, it's also a product of childhood, the school before that. 1090 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,600 I didn't know you weren't allowed to fight. 1091 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,160 That's just what everybody did. 1092 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,160 Like physical. 1093 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,320 That's not funny, but that's funny. 1094 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,440 I didn't know that that wasn't what you were, that you weren't supposed to do that when 1095 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,120 I went to that school for, I went to that school, I loved it for three years. 1096 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,680 And then I went to the next school. 1097 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:23,680 They fought there too. 1098 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,120 And I was like, cool. 1099 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,600 My dad was like, my dad went to, was it back to school night? 1100 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,320 And they're like, Oh, Louie's one of the good ones. 1101 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,320 He's like, Nope, we're not going to this school. 1102 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,320 He picked us up. 1103 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,960 He made us all go to a different school. 1104 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,520 And we got in. 1105 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:38,520 Yeah. 1106 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:39,520 Louie. 1107 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,160 We got into this school. 1108 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,120 It was called Landel. 1109 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,040 And we get there. 1110 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,320 And the very first day, you know, somebody still takes the, or someone beats me at, you 1111 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:50,600 know, handball or something. 1112 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,760 And so I hit them and they call the teacher over. 1113 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:54,760 They're like, he hit me. 1114 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:55,760 I'm like, and? 1115 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:56,760 Yeah. 1116 00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,320 They're like, you're not allowed to fight. 1117 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,400 I'm like, what do you mean? 1118 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,600 I'm not allowed to fight. 1119 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,320 Little, little eight year old me going, what? 1120 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,320 What? 1121 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,320 I'm not allowed to punch people. 1122 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,320 That's crazy. 1123 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,320 I'm not. 1124 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,320 So I wasn't allowed at recess anymore. 1125 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:17,480 And that was, that was actually very, like that became a theme from there. 1126 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,640 I wasn't allowed at recess. 1127 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,440 Then they wanted to kick me out. 1128 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,600 Fortunately, something to do with my dad being in the military. 1129 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,480 He worked on an ammunition ship. 1130 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,560 He was also in the Navy. 1131 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,920 But at working in an ammunition thing, he worked around Agent Orange. 1132 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,400 Oh my God, really? 1133 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:44,480 And because of that, when there was any ever an issue with me, he would call the VA and 1134 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,760 the VA would come in and say, no, you can't kick him out. 1135 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,960 It could be a byproduct of Agent Orange because we don't know how it, because it affects people 1136 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:53,960 generationally. 1137 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:54,960 Right. 1138 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:55,960 So. 1139 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:56,960 What year was this? 1140 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:57,960 When my dad was in? 1141 00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:58,960 Yeah. 1142 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,480 My dad was in Vietnam. 1143 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,480 So 71. 1144 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:02,480 Oh, okay. 1145 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:03,480 71 maybe? 1146 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,840 Yeah, 70, yeah. 1147 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:12,160 So that so, so anytime that it would have been an issue like honestly, I am lucky because 1148 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,080 my dad was there because I wouldn't have had support. 1149 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,560 They would have just kicked me out. 1150 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,360 I would have gone back to that first school where I was considered one of the good ones. 1151 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,360 Yeah. 1152 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:27,200 Like, and then, and then so they, they were like, okay, well, we don't have the facilities 1153 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:28,200 for this person. 1154 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,400 We need, we need more. 1155 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,880 So they sent me to the next school. 1156 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:36,080 So they needed to have a psychologist on hand or psychiatrist on hand. 1157 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,560 And during recess and lunch, I would go to the psychologist or psychiatrist instead. 1158 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,480 So was this like in the same community that you were already in? 1159 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:50,240 Like is it, or did you guys have to drive further to get to a, a school that would provide 1160 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:51,240 that? 1161 00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:54,080 Well, so I was in a different district. 1162 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:59,280 And they, I transferred over to this other district and that was the better district. 1163 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,000 And that was where, that was where they had the psychologist there. 1164 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,000 Yeah. 1165 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,840 It was only, it's funny because we only lived there for one year. 1166 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,760 So that was the only reason why it was, it was crazy. 1167 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,440 I found that interesting to speak. 1168 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,440 Oh, sorry. 1169 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,440 Oh, I see. 1170 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:15,440 And then, go ahead. 1171 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,920 Then when I went to, you know, and then when I went to Irvine, which are, which was the 1172 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,920 last, the last school after I got kicked out of that one, I went to UC Irvine for the 1173 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,880 Child Development Center. 1174 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,920 And obviously there were psychologists, psychiatrists there all day. 1175 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,680 I was like literally the teachers, you know, so. 1176 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:32,680 Yeah. 1177 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:33,680 Yeah. 1178 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,560 Well, when we were kids, you know, I went to the same elementary school that Cameron 1179 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:43,640 went to that Kenna went to and now my son goes to and it's very different. 1180 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:50,000 It's, you know, if I was diagnosed with ADD, I had a special counselor that I would go 1181 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,760 see, you know, once a week or once every few days. 1182 00:49:53,760 --> 00:50:01,160 And now it's like the kids are so integrated into the school and integrated into the general 1183 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:08,680 schooling, like just general classes that they just pop in and they observe the child 1184 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,680 and if there's any behavior that needs to be corrected, it happens. 1185 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:17,000 But very rarely will they pull a kid out of class. 1186 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,800 And I find that very interesting. 1187 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,600 It gives me a sense of comfort. 1188 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,840 Kids are way better today. 1189 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,920 Oh, it's just, it's amazing and I'm thankful for it. 1190 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,960 You know, I would have been, I would have been disrupting, I was disrupting every class 1191 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:36,520 I was in every, every, well, I could learn as fast as they could teach. 1192 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,720 So if they're in the middle of asking a question, I knew the answer. 1193 00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:44,680 So I'd be answering it in the middle of them talking. 1194 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:45,680 Can you stop? 1195 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:46,680 Can you stop interrupting? 1196 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,360 No, it's a knee jerk reaction. 1197 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,600 I have to, you know, like. 1198 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,120 And then I couldn't, I couldn't sit in my chair. 1199 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,560 I was literally moving around. 1200 00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:01,600 I remember in second grade, I would never sit in my, I have to get up and walk around 1201 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,800 because I needed to be moving. 1202 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,000 I always, always. 1203 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,600 Yeah, that was me as well. 1204 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,080 And it was crazy. 1205 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,320 Jesus Christ. 1206 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:18,400 I don't even know how, who I developed into and who I was because, because of the amount 1207 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,800 of medication I was on to suppress it, because that's really all it was. 1208 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,840 That's really all ADD, ADD pills are. 1209 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,800 It's just, you don't really grow on that. 1210 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,400 You just suppress it. 1211 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,280 You have to grow on your own. 1212 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:35,280 And at that age with that brain development, you know, or lack thereof, you know, it's, 1213 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:40,120 it's unfortunate, but it's detrimental to the brain growth, you know, it's like, yeah, 1214 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:45,440 you want to, and I know that when y'all were children, especially now compared to today, 1215 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:50,000 it's like a lot of people were just so quick to medicate children if they weren't, I'm 1216 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,960 sorry, your four year old can't sit down for eight hours a day. 1217 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,920 Wow, God forbid, you know, and it's like, they're four, you know, and I think that, 1218 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,920 not to make it about me, but what I do now is ABA therapy. 1219 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,760 And I think that that, and we have kiddos that are much younger than grade school. 1220 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,280 What we're doing is preparing them for school so that they can have those skills. 1221 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,520 But I mean, I have a seven year old that can't sit down at a desk for more than an hour, 1222 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,480 you know, and I neither fucking can I, you know, so I don't work a desk job, you know, 1223 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,600 I don't want to sit, sit for an hour or sit for, I mean, right, even right now, like 1224 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,280 I love you guys and I'm glad to be here, but these tiny chairs are killing me, you know, 1225 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,280 they are tiny chairs. 1226 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,240 I want to get up and walk around and it's just a natural human thing. 1227 00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:37,600 And yes, of course, when there's other things that are on top of that behavior, then yes, 1228 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,000 there might be reason for diagnosis, reason for treatment. 1229 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,720 But I feel like, like I said earlier, a lot of kids are being diagnosed with things that 1230 00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:48,720 aren't necessary for their development, right? 1231 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,520 And it's just to shut them up, if you will. 1232 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:52,520 Yeah, right. 1233 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,320 Well, we grew up in the boom, right, Louie? 1234 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,480 We grew up in the boom of medicating your child because they weren't able to quote, 1235 00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,480 unquote, pay attention. 1236 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:09,800 Well, the amount of medication I was on is staggering because the typical dosage for 1237 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,560 Ritalin, Ritalin is all it was at the time, was five milligrams. 1238 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:18,920 Usually if they were, you know, you'd take five milligrams three times a day. 1239 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,880 And that's your typical dosage. 1240 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:26,120 If you, you know, people that acted up a little more, you did 10 milligrams twice and then 1241 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,120 five milligrams. 1242 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,120 Plus a day. 1243 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:29,120 Yeah. 1244 00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,120 Right? 1245 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,120 Yeah. 1246 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,040 Well, my dosage was 60 milligrams in the morning and 60 milligrams in the afternoon. 1247 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,400 Mine was much higher, 60 milligrams versus five. 1248 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,760 How are you not like a zombie? 1249 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,280 I was a zombie, but anything less than that, I was off the walls crazy. 1250 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,280 Yeah. 1251 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,760 Like it would do, it was, it built up to that. 1252 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:49,760 Like I could not. 1253 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,680 Do you feel like you were out of control in the moment or do you feel like that was what 1254 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:54,680 was presented to you? 1255 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:59,200 I felt like I was a zombie when I was on and I felt like I was me when I wasn't. 1256 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,840 And they always wanted me on. 1257 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,360 I never liked it. 1258 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:07,440 But you know, it was, I understand it from an adult perspective being like, this kid's 1259 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,160 just disrupting the class all day. 1260 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,440 Honestly, I don't know what the answer was other than that, it would have been like, 1261 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,120 maybe I needed a private tutor and to be out of school. 1262 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,160 But because of that, I already missed out on so many social skills. 1263 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,440 One of the reasons why I go to bars now, well, bars in Texas, I don't go to bars out here. 1264 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,280 Bar in Texas is the best. 1265 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:27,960 It's very different. 1266 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,480 I remember somebody was asking me like what, what specifically is the difference? 1267 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:37,200 And I was like, well, to me, I think one of the bigger, more meaningful differences with 1268 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:43,520 bars out there is you don't have to talk to know anybody or talk to anybody. 1269 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:48,000 You could go up and say hi to the bartender, be generally cool and someone will come talk 1270 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,560 to you. 1271 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,200 You don't have to, like if you want to get integrated, just be there and they'll bring 1272 00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:55,200 you in. 1273 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,200 Yeah, it's true. 1274 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,720 We're too friendly for our own good. 1275 00:54:57,720 --> 00:54:58,720 Yeah. 1276 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:00,920 Yeah, it's so true. 1277 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:01,920 Well it's nice. 1278 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,400 Well, it's nice for someone like me. 1279 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,960 Like I said, I was on a lot of medication during the times you're supposed to learn how to 1280 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,600 socially interact with people and I missed all that. 1281 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,960 Oh, that breaks my heart. 1282 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:14,960 It really does. 1283 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,560 I don't know if you noticed, I mean, I've been kind of quiet in certain times of this 1284 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:24,400 episode, but right after you said the milligram dosage for you, I didn't talk for like probably 1285 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,200 20, 30 seconds because I had my hand over my mouth. 1286 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,200 I was like, oh my God. 1287 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:28,200 That's insane. 1288 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:29,200 That's ridiculous. 1289 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,120 And it reminds me of, and not to change it and make it about us, but it reminds me of 1290 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:40,080 Cameron's dosages of Kalanipin that she was on shortly before she died. 1291 00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,080 And it's awful. 1292 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,760 And I have a question for you, Louie. 1293 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:50,640 If you can think back and you said that the average was 15 milligrams a day, you were on 1294 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,560 120 if I'm not mistaken, a day. 1295 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:58,560 And you felt like a zombie on it felt like you were out of control off of it. 1296 00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,720 Do you think maybe half of that amount would have been substantial for you or do you think 1297 00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:07,520 that you needed necessarily not needed, but at the time thought that you needed the whole 1298 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,040 dosage that you were taking? 1299 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,280 40 milligrams did nothing. 1300 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,760 Okay. 1301 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,760 Did nothing in your perception or for them? 1302 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:16,760 Was it for them? 1303 00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:17,760 Yeah. 1304 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:18,760 For me either. 1305 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:23,040 I still felt like I was me on 40 and for them I was just out of control. 1306 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:28,800 So it was essentially like a, I don't want to point fingers or make assumptions, but 1307 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:33,120 it was essentially in my mind like a, we're going to give you enough to just make you 1308 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,120 chill. 1309 00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:35,120 Dossile. 1310 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,120 Yeah. 1311 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:40,320 So that I'm not disturbing the class so that not everybody else is to, well, and it's 1312 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,880 not fair to the other 28 kids in the class that the entire class. 1313 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:45,880 Of course it's not. 1314 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:46,880 That the entire class is about me. 1315 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:47,880 Of course it's not. 1316 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:48,880 Here's a thought. 1317 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:49,880 Here's a thought. 1318 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,880 Maybe an additional class for people that do experience things like that. 1319 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:52,880 Yeah. 1320 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,760 That's the only child in that whole school that was dealing with that. 1321 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:56,760 But it was the 90s. 1322 00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:57,760 You got to understand, Kenna. 1323 00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:58,760 80s, 90s, yes, I was. 1324 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,760 It was 93. 1325 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,200 This is the very beginning of diagnosing people with ADD. 1326 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,880 In fact, there was, so there was other classes and you know what they were full of? 1327 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:09,880 Autism. 1328 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,680 People that were very, very disabled. 1329 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,880 Those are people with severe mental learning disabilities. 1330 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,520 And physical disabilities. 1331 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,440 With, yeah, with cerebral palsy and stuff. 1332 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,160 It was not, there were so many times. 1333 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,520 If you wanted an education, you did not want to be in one of those classes. 1334 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:32,520 I agree. 1335 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,320 I mean, even when I was in grade school, that was the case. 1336 00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:35,320 Yeah. 1337 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:36,320 No, I agree with you. 1338 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:37,320 Definitely. 1339 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:42,940 Even as late as high school, I remember seeing a kiddo walking around with clearly physically 1340 00:57:42,940 --> 00:57:45,920 disabled kiddos and thinking, what's wrong with that guy? 1341 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:46,920 Why is he walking? 1342 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,520 Because he was on the autism spectrum. 1343 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:54,120 He had, you know, Asperger's syndrome and that's, you know, it was weird. 1344 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,240 It was like, what are you doing? 1345 00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:01,480 But now kids get these multi-leveled education plans. 1346 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:06,360 As they should have back then, of course, and as they should now, which is really unfortunate. 1347 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,520 Well, it's, you don't know until you know. 1348 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:09,520 Of course. 1349 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:10,520 You've said it how many times? 1350 00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:11,920 You don't know until you know and when you do, you do better. 1351 00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:12,920 My angel, you do better. 1352 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,120 My angel, you don't know what you don't know until you know. 1353 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:17,720 And when you know better, you do better. 1354 00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:18,720 Right. 1355 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:19,720 Yeah. 1356 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,440 So, and they didn't. 1357 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,840 And so they were trying. 1358 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:24,840 I was the first step. 1359 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:29,520 I mean, me going to that school that I went to, which was specifically for people with 1360 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,000 ADD and ADHD and ODD. 1361 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,200 It was a study to see how best to teach them. 1362 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,560 That's how they learned how to do it. 1363 00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,320 So I was at the beginning of all that. 1364 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,080 We were the experiment kids. 1365 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,520 I was 100 percent. 1366 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,000 They were experimenting all the drugs on me. 1367 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,040 That's what that school was. 1368 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,240 Every day it was a different bill. 1369 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,680 You didn't know what it was. 1370 00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,920 It was a double blind. 1371 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,240 I was taking medication. 1372 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:59,200 I wouldn't know the dosage I'd have to ask mom, but at one point I was losing weight 1373 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:05,760 on a rapid amount of time or rapid succession. 1374 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,480 And then I was gaining weight at a rapid succession. 1375 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,400 And she was like, I don't know what the balance is. 1376 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,040 We're just going to take you off the meds completely. 1377 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,160 But I don't, you would have to. 1378 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,960 In my mind it was at least a year of trial and error. 1379 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,600 But what we know now about medications like that, you have at least need what, three months 1380 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,320 to adjust, four months to adjust. 1381 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:32,680 So if the milligrams were being adjusted and again, this isn't any fault of our parents. 1382 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:36,440 Our parents were doing what the teachers recommended, what the doctors recommended. 1383 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,480 And that's just the most that they knew at the time. 1384 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:45,240 And so to be kind of thrusted around, you know, slingshot it, if you will, you know, 1385 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:50,240 with different medications, different dosages, not being able to regulate any of that. 1386 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:51,480 Yeah, absolutely. 1387 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,480 And I felt that way too, Louie, probably not as much as you felt, but I definitely felt 1388 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,480 at a certain point like, this doesn't feel like me. 1389 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:05,880 This feels like, and not to adjust behavior slightly, but just didn't feel like me at 1390 01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:06,880 all. 1391 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,440 And it's a very strange feeling. 1392 01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,320 It's completely different. 1393 01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:11,320 For sure. 1394 01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:16,840 And I will say, like, you know, I'm just going to say it quite frankly, like I'm very privileged 1395 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,720 that I did not experience things like that growing up. 1396 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:28,280 And it took me until my early 20s, especially after losing our sister, that I experienced 1397 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:35,960 anything that I even recognized as mental disruption, aka anxiety, depression. 1398 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:41,720 And even now in my late 20s, you know, I am experiencing that more and more, which I'm 1399 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:46,720 glad that I'm educated in it because now I understand when things happen and why they 1400 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,400 happen, especially age progression wise. 1401 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:56,640 But I mean, if I didn't have the education that I had now, like I would be like, what 1402 01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:01,280 the fuck, like I was in my mind perfectly normal, right, normative growing up. 1403 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,560 And now all of a sudden it seems I'm feeling all these things, I'm experiencing all these, 1404 01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,680 you know, different symptoms of mental disorders. 1405 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:16,120 And it's unfortunate that it wasn't talked about the way that it is now when you guys 1406 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,120 are growing up. 1407 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:22,840 But I also will say, sorry, but I will say I'm glad that it is now, you know, and it 1408 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:23,840 has progressed. 1409 01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:24,840 Yeah. 1410 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:25,840 Of course. 1411 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,560 I mean, and you start, well, what they start to realize, and they've always known, but 1412 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,040 they've started steering toward, there is no real normal. 1413 01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:33,040 Yeah, of course. 1414 01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:39,120 Of course, I mean, that was being brought up a lot when I was, you know, in middle school, 1415 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:43,400 elementary school, and high school is there is no normal. 1416 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,160 We're all just kind of trying to get through this too. 1417 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:47,440 Absolutely. 1418 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,360 And which was an interesting perspective. 1419 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,480 I mean, I did go to a pretty progressive school in California. 1420 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,400 They were pretty far ahead of the time. 1421 01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:01,320 And now, you know, it's still way behind where, you know, your average school is now, like 1422 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:08,240 as far as progressiveness goes, as far as knowing how to actually talk to somebody instead 1423 01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,080 of talking at them. 1424 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:15,440 I mean, they've come a long way with how to speak to each other, how to speak to kids, 1425 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,840 and how to help kids that need it. 1426 01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:24,560 There's still, you know, a lot of schools that are very far behind that just have no 1427 01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,080 funding, no anything. 1428 01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,480 I mean, it's just, it's a tough situation for some people. 1429 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,720 So, yes, it is fortunate. 1430 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,840 It is lucky that I ended up in a lot of these situations. 1431 01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,160 Yeah, we grew up in the best generation. 1432 01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:44,480 We're like right in between landlines and internet, you know, it's just, and if we can 1433 01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,960 be a part of that and be the guinea pigs, then all for it, right? 1434 01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:48,960 Yeah. 1435 01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:55,440 I mean, if anything, the generation after us, you know, like we can help our kids or the 1436 01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,880 next generation, maybe not even our kids, but our nieces, our nephews. 1437 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,360 I think the next generation is so much better than us. 1438 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,360 It's so funny. 1439 01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:03,360 Yeah. 1440 01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,440 It's so funny because, generally speaking, we were always taught, you know, that what 1441 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,360 was it, aerosol, soccer cheese or whatever. 1442 01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:14,640 The kids today are out all night and they're making a ruckus and they're doing all this 1443 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:15,640 stuff. 1444 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,320 It was about kids today and it was from 2000 years ago. 1445 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,240 And like, our parents said that about us and their parents said that about them. 1446 01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,120 I don't say that about the next generation. 1447 01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:26,120 I think that's awesome. 1448 01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:27,120 No. 1449 01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:28,120 I think they're doing what they can. 1450 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,120 Yeah. 1451 01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:30,120 Yeah. 1452 01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:31,120 I totally, no, you're fine. 1453 01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:32,320 I totally agree with that. 1454 01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,560 I feel like, what is it? 1455 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,680 The squeaky wheel gets the grease, right? 1456 01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,960 Like our generation now, it's like we're becoming more rebellious. 1457 01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:46,240 It's just our generation and younger people than me. 1458 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:47,240 But that's it. 1459 01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:51,960 It's like, I see a lot of passion towards change, especially when it comes to mental 1460 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:52,960 health. 1461 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:59,760 You know, it does bring up those feelings about Cameron, had she had some of that and 1462 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,120 had she gotten a taste of that, like would she still be here? 1463 01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:09,480 And to learn that like we're so mental health forward now as a society and we're only getting 1464 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,040 greater at that. 1465 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:15,320 It's just, I'm excited for the next generation and the next generation and the next generation. 1466 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:16,320 For sure. 1467 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,880 Louis, if you don't mind me asking again, what year were you born? 1468 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:19,880 Oh, 85. 1469 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:24,080 Okay, so you were actually in a different generation than Koala and I, if you can believe 1470 01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,080 it. 1471 01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:26,080 No, me and Koala are the same generation. 1472 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:27,080 We are. 1473 01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,080 We're all, you know, all three of us are millennials. 1474 01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:30,080 We're millennials. 1475 01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,720 I thought millennials started in 86. 1476 01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,880 So here, let me explain this to you. 1477 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,280 My son is an alpha. 1478 01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,560 Isn't that weird? 1479 01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:46,360 Millennials start sort of in a spectrum because it has to do with, oh, you're right. 1480 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:47,360 I'm sorry. 1481 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:48,360 Yes. 1482 01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:53,400 It has to do with how, how really connected to the internet you were really and how early 1483 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:54,400 on. 1484 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,560 So I was in California. 1485 01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:00,040 We were the cutting at, for us, it's like 83. 1486 01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,040 Okay. 1487 01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:05,320 Because it, especially being in a city, you guys, and you guys are probably like 84 or 1488 01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,000 85 because you guys weren't your city folk as well. 1489 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,520 If you lived out in the country, you didn't get the internet until. 1490 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:11,800 Instead of folk. 1491 01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,960 To if you lived out in the country, you probably weren't really a millennial until you were 1492 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,280 born in 1990. 1493 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:22,200 Because there was a, there was a distance in between technological advances that really 1494 01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:28,000 categorizes what makes a millennials, how they grew up around both, around both technologies. 1495 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,400 For me, I had internet in, in school in third grade. 1496 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,880 You know, like, so that was, I mean. 1497 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,760 What was that I've been, what year? 1498 01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:37,760 93. 1499 01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:38,760 You know, 93. 1500 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:39,760 Yeah. 1501 01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,560 So it was until like Windows 95, right? 1502 01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,000 Which would be, you would assume comes out in 1995. 1503 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,120 It was like accessible to the everyday home. 1504 01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:49,320 Yes. 1505 01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:50,320 But we still had access. 1506 01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,400 I mean, like you, I mean, at the time they still had, I don't know if you remember, computer 1507 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:54,920 war tennis shoes and all this stuff. 1508 01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,400 They had movies about that, the internet that was happening at the time. 1509 01:05:58,400 --> 01:05:59,400 It was very, very lucky. 1510 01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:00,400 Computer war tennis shoes. 1511 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:01,400 Oh yeah. 1512 01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:02,400 That was a whole movie. 1513 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:03,400 Oh yeah. 1514 01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:04,400 Oh yeah. 1515 01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:05,400 There's a few. 1516 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:06,400 So excited about it. 1517 01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,880 Just unlocked that memory. 1518 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:09,880 Disney movies. 1519 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,120 Actually, I'm talking about the remake. 1520 01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,360 The original was actually Kurt Russell. 1521 01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,360 That's not a Disney, it can't be a Disney movie. 1522 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:17,360 100% it is. 1523 01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:18,360 Kurt Russell was a Disney guy. 1524 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,040 He had a bunch of Disney movies. 1525 01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:21,760 What's the name of it? 1526 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,840 The computer war tennis shoes. 1527 01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,000 I'm going to call that Warner Brothers. 1528 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,000 Did you look it up? 1529 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,000 No. 1530 01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,000 It's kind of looking at it right now. 1531 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,000 It's Disney. 1532 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,000 It's Kurt Russell. 1533 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,000 I've never even. 1534 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,000 It's Disney. 1535 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,000 Disney and it's Kurt Russell. 1536 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,000 Why would you call me on that? 1537 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,000 You know I know my stuff. 1538 01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,000 I know. 1539 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,000 We wouldn't say it if it wasn't true. 1540 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:44,000 That's really the whole thing. 1541 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,000 No, you're right, Louis. 1542 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,680 I'm my bad about the generation. 1543 01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:53,480 But yeah, I am the next to last year of millennials. 1544 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,040 So I'm 95 and then 96 is the last year of millennials. 1545 01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:01,880 And my sister Serena, she's a year and a half old of the meat. 1546 01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:02,880 She's like, oh, I'm Gen X. 1547 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,800 I'm like, you might have been Gen X if you grew up in the country, but you grew up the 1548 01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:07,800 same way I did. 1549 01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,520 You know, you're definitely a millennial. 1550 01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:11,640 You don't act like Gen X. 1551 01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,160 Do you think it's like up to household? 1552 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,760 So like, you know. 1553 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,560 Community I think, if you ask me. 1554 01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:18,560 Yeah. 1555 01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,920 Because what defines your generation is how you act as a community. 1556 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:26,680 I mean, like that's like our community really is the younger ones is this. 1557 01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:30,520 She likes to identify with Gen Xers because she always liked hanging out with our older 1558 01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:31,600 cousins. 1559 01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,000 But her herself grew up the same way I did. 1560 01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:41,400 So interesting because you know what, then there's parallels between communities and 1561 01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:42,400 how they're funded. 1562 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,440 So like maybe a lower funded community wouldn't have the same accessibility as maybe a higher 1563 01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,120 funded community, right? 1564 01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:54,780 Which would make them, even though they might have been born in a millennial timeframe, 1565 01:07:54,780 --> 01:07:59,440 they might have been technically raised like a Gen Xer. 1566 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,080 I feel like I've been smoking weed. 1567 01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,480 This is like, that makes so much sense. 1568 01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:05,480 It is. 1569 01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,360 It's like introspective, no? 1570 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:13,000 That's how I kind of, that's how I personally see generations because they're supposed to 1571 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,360 be what ties the generation together. 1572 01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:21,600 And so the edges, the fringes of the generations really are based on where you lived or where 1573 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:22,800 you were at the time. 1574 01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:29,760 So before this, because the generation millennial is defined by Y2K is defined by growing up 1575 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,120 going into the computer era, which is for the first time. 1576 01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:37,480 The generations before us, those were defined by wars. 1577 01:08:37,480 --> 01:08:39,920 Everybody experienced the war at the same time. 1578 01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,920 Like baby boomers or yeah, yeah. 1579 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,120 Look at this, Louis with the knowledge. 1580 01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:45,120 Louis so smart. 1581 01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:46,120 I asked you about that. 1582 01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:47,120 That's my difference reaction. 1583 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:48,120 He goes, eh. 1584 01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:58,000 Well, I do want to ask you a couple more questions, but I also have to pee again. 1585 01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:59,200 Oh my gosh. 1586 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:00,200 She's like a faucet. 1587 01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,000 I have the blotter of a kitten. 1588 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:06,480 So I'm going to have to stand up and I'm also going to get you a white clock well if you 1589 01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:07,480 want. 1590 01:09:07,480 --> 01:09:08,480 Go pee real quick. 1591 01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:09,480 Real quick though. 1592 01:09:09,480 --> 01:09:13,280 Well, I don't want to go that quick. 1593 01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:14,480 What time are we at? 1594 01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:16,560 We're at an hour and eight minutes. 1595 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:17,560 Wow. 1596 01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:18,560 Oh, even just flew by. 1597 01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:19,560 Plenty of time. 1598 01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:20,560 I don't know. 1599 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:21,560 I think I'm okay. 1600 01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:22,560 I'm good. 1601 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:23,560 Yeah. 1602 01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:24,560 Louis, how are y'all doing? 1603 01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:25,560 About what? 1604 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:26,560 About the time. 1605 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:27,800 Well, he's an hour behind us. 1606 01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:32,920 So he doesn't know I'm sure I was behind. 1607 01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:34,920 So we're still negative. 1608 01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:35,920 Two hours behind. 1609 01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:42,400 No, I know I have all this time to go. 1610 01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:46,320 I'd like to maybe hang out for another 15 minutes. 1611 01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:47,320 Another 15. 1612 01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:48,320 Yeah. 1613 01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:49,320 Okay. 1614 01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:50,320 I think another 15. 1615 01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:51,320 Why don't you guys chat about one thing real quick? 1616 01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:52,320 Go ahead. 1617 01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,120 So I can run and I'll be right back. 1618 01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:55,120 Are you going to bring the topic? 1619 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,520 I'm going to bring a question when I come back. 1620 01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:58,520 I see. 1621 01:09:58,520 --> 01:09:59,520 Is that all right? 1622 01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:00,520 All right. 1623 01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:01,520 Louis, do you want a question? 1624 01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,520 When Knaz returns with the white one. 1625 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:04,520 Knaz returns. 1626 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:05,520 Oh, my God. 1627 01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,520 I knew that because I took my end block. 1628 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:10,520 Totally. 1629 01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:11,520 All right. 1630 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:12,520 Yeah. 1631 01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,520 I'm excited for you to be in town next week. 1632 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:20,080 Like I said, we're going to be in New York, but we're going to come back that same day 1633 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:21,520 that you will come in. 1634 01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:22,520 Right. 1635 01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:24,120 You only going to be in for 24 hours? 1636 01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:25,120 No. 1637 01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:29,000 Technically, I'm going to come in the night before, but I'm coming in like at midnight 1638 01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:34,920 and then going home and going or going to my mom's and then getting ready for the funeral 1639 01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:41,960 or service the day after and then going to go see, go see you after that. 1640 01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:47,120 And then usually I leave pretty late on Sunday, but I'm leaving in the morning. 1641 01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,560 I love being able to go out there every now and then. 1642 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,520 It's really, really nice. 1643 01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,720 I am terrified to fly all over again. 1644 01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,520 I am such a weenie when it comes to flying, but I don't do it that often. 1645 01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:02,440 So it's, you know, going to New York is going to be like terrifying. 1646 01:11:02,440 --> 01:11:03,440 I'm in the zone. 1647 01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:04,440 I'm usually asleep. 1648 01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:06,040 I usually sleep for flights, but I'm pretty in the zone. 1649 01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:09,880 I go straight for noise canceling headphones. 1650 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:15,680 I put the music as loud as I can and I started doing that because I realized I don't know 1651 01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:16,680 what it is. 1652 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:21,400 Maybe it's the vibrations and the audio waves or whatever, but I don't get the head, 1653 01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:22,720 the ear thing anymore. 1654 01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,440 You know, like when you fly and your ears pop. 1655 01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:26,440 Yeah. 1656 01:11:26,440 --> 01:11:31,520 So with your headset, you don't feel like that happens as often at all. 1657 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:35,280 Ever since I started doing that, I was like, Oh my God, but I can't take it off the entire 1658 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:36,280 flight. 1659 01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,880 So it's like before we take off, they have to be on and going. 1660 01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,200 Are they like a headset or ear buds? 1661 01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:42,200 Ear buds. 1662 01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:43,200 Oh, okay. 1663 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:44,200 All right. 1664 01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:45,200 I'll have to try that. 1665 01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:46,200 I don't know. 1666 01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:47,840 I just don't, I don't want to drown out cliff because I feel like this is going to be the 1667 01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:49,560 first time we're flying together. 1668 01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,800 I'm probably going to cry. 1669 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,680 It's going to be a whole moment. 1670 01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:54,880 Oh, I'm sure. 1671 01:11:54,880 --> 01:12:02,360 And then we go from, I don't think it's Syracuse, but we go from one city to where he's from 1672 01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,880 and it's going to be on a very small plane. 1673 01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:10,320 But I feel like maybe the smaller plane, I might feel better than the bigger plane. 1674 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,000 There's, I don't know. 1675 01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,800 They're definitely more fun. 1676 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:21,760 I, I'm definitely in that mindset that if I had free access to like a webcam, watch 1677 01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,760 watching the pilots, I feel like I would feel more comfortable flying. 1678 01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:25,760 Oh my God. 1679 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,920 So it's so funny because a lot of people who, who have fear of flying that have been, that 1680 01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:34,120 I've been like the podcast that I do listen to every now and then their way of getting 1681 01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,440 over it was learning how to fly. 1682 01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:37,760 So learning how to fly. 1683 01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:38,760 Yeah. 1684 01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:42,520 So they had, so they understood like the controls and what this is. 1685 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:43,520 I'm with it. 1686 01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,960 And once you, and they're like, once they got past that part, it was easier for them 1687 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,960 to fly with other people later. 1688 01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:49,960 Yeah. 1689 01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:51,880 And then they had to have a passenger later. 1690 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:58,040 I definitely, like, I, if I can, I like to sit in the very front because if I can watch 1691 01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:03,600 like, what do you, flight attendant, I was going to say stewardess without sexist, a 1692 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,320 flight attendant, if I can see their face, then I know that everything's okay. 1693 01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:08,320 Oh, the reaction. 1694 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:09,320 Yeah. 1695 01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:10,320 I make this. 1696 01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:11,320 Yeah. 1697 01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:12,320 Yeah. 1698 01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:13,320 Absolutely. 1699 01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:14,320 Kenna's back by the way. 1700 01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:15,320 Sorry. 1701 01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:16,320 I'm sure you heard her. 1702 01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:17,320 You could be a air hostess in the sixties. 1703 01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:18,320 The sixties. 1704 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:19,320 Yeah. 1705 01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:20,320 I'm sure you heard her. 1706 01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:21,320 The reaction. 1707 01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:22,800 Whenever something happens, I'm like, oh my God, are they freaking out? 1708 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,800 Because if they're freaking out, then I need to freak out. 1709 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:25,800 But if not, then I'm good. 1710 01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,800 But you probably have to keep your normal job. 1711 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,320 It's still so cute. 1712 01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:34,480 But I feel like, which is funny because we're talking about flights, the flight of the Concorde. 1713 01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:41,520 But yeah, if I feel like the flight attendants, you got your little slippies on. 1714 01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,600 I took them off, but now my feet are cold. 1715 01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,960 Also making a bunch of noise. 1716 01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:51,480 If I can, I feel like the flight attendants, even if I've gotten to this point to where 1717 01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:57,280 I feel like even if I look at them and their faces are smiling, I feel like it's a lie. 1718 01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,680 Like I'm like, oh no, they're smiling because that's their job. 1719 01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,680 Oh, I think they're like, everything's fine. 1720 01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:02,680 Everything's fine. 1721 01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,520 We're going to die. 1722 01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:10,680 But if I have like an actual shot of the cockpit and I see the pilots, that would make me feel 1723 01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:11,680 more comfortable. 1724 01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,680 I have a story if you all are interested. 1725 01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:14,680 Sure. 1726 01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,680 Sure. 1727 01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:24,680 So I flew at the end of 2017 on a six person plane. 1728 01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,200 I was working in San Marcos at the time. 1729 01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:31,480 I had a couple of regulars of mine, really great guys, older guys. 1730 01:14:31,480 --> 01:14:32,680 And they had a PJ. 1731 01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:36,720 No, they didn't have PJ, but one of them was a P flight attendant. 1732 01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:40,280 And so he flew like other people's planes like for his job. 1733 01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,520 So he had access to a PJ. 1734 01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:46,040 And he was like, Hey, because I'm a giant Astros fan. 1735 01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:47,040 And this is not a secret. 1736 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,840 I'm a giant Astros fan. 1737 01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:53,040 He was like, Hey, the Astros are playing the Rangers in Arlington, which is close to Dallas, 1738 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,040 Texas. 1739 01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:59,040 We're going to fly there, go to the game, and then we're going to fly back right after 1740 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:00,040 the game. 1741 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:01,280 And I was like, bet how much? 1742 01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:05,040 And he was like $100 for the ticket to the game and the flight. 1743 01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,400 And I was like bet as fuck. 1744 01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:08,400 $100. 1745 01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,880 So shout out, Mike, if you're there. 1746 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,160 We call them Bobcat Mike because he was a big Texas Texas state fan. 1747 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:15,320 Bobcat Mike. 1748 01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:21,320 So anyway, so him, his buddy, and then one of his buddies, sorry, him and two of his buddies, 1749 01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,640 one of his buddies friends who's a female and then another female bartender that worked 1750 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:25,640 at Pluckers. 1751 01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,720 She worked across from where I worked. 1752 01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:28,720 We all went. 1753 01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:29,720 So it was six of us. 1754 01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:30,720 Yeah. 1755 01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:31,720 Mike was the pilot. 1756 01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:32,720 I FaceTimed mom. 1757 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:33,720 I told her it was going to happen. 1758 01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,240 I FaceTimed mom and I showed her Mike. 1759 01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:38,240 I was like, this is the guy. 1760 01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:39,400 He's the pilot. 1761 01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:44,200 And mom was like, don't you fucking dare drink alcohol at the game because you're flying 1762 01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,920 my daughter back in a private plane. 1763 01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,880 And granted, it was only like a hour flight, maybe. 1764 01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:55,760 But the cool thing is, is that when we were on the flight, he was like, Internet things, 1765 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,960 like don't turn on your, don't turn your phone on airplane mode. 1766 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:00,240 That's a fucking myth. 1767 01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:04,680 Well, not really, but in this plane, it wasn't going as high as the other planes were. 1768 01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:05,960 Use your phone. 1769 01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:06,960 Everyone had their headset. 1770 01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,880 It was almost like a helicopter where you had to have a headset on. 1771 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:09,880 Yeah. 1772 01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:11,480 And we were plugged into him. 1773 01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:13,200 So he had his headset. 1774 01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:17,440 I could see if I wanted to like into the cockpit because he left the door open. 1775 01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:20,440 And he was talking to us the whole time, which was really, really comforting. 1776 01:16:20,440 --> 01:16:22,960 I was going to say that would be the most comforting feeling. 1777 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:23,960 Exactly. 1778 01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:24,960 And he was like, yeah. 1779 01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:25,960 He's like, and we pulled up here. 1780 01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:26,960 He goes, okay, clear skies up here. 1781 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:27,960 It looks really great. 1782 01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:28,960 That's a good sign. 1783 01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,120 And he was, he kept saying like, no, this is happening. 1784 01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:32,240 Okay, that's a good sign. 1785 01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,640 And then someone would have come on and he'd be like, okay, they just said this and that 1786 01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:35,640 the other. 1787 01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:36,640 That's a good sign. 1788 01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:37,640 You know, and it was all really cool. 1789 01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:38,640 He's like really comforting. 1790 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:39,640 And then we got some turbulence. 1791 01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:40,640 Like, okay, just let you guys know. 1792 01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:41,640 There's going to be some turbulence. 1793 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,640 Like I said, like an hour, maybe an hour. 1794 01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:44,640 Anyway, so we landed in Arlington. 1795 01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:45,640 We had a great game. 1796 01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,760 I was the only one in Astros Jersey. 1797 01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:52,200 Everyone else is wearing a Rangers jersey in the Astros fucking when just saying, and 1798 01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,800 then we flew back and he didn't drink the whole time. 1799 01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:55,800 He kept his promise. 1800 01:16:55,800 --> 01:17:00,000 It was a great, it was a great time, but that was the most safe I've ever felt on a plane. 1801 01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:05,080 And it was the smallest plane in the world, but I felt so safe because I could hear the 1802 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:06,080 pilot play. 1803 01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:07,080 Yeah. 1804 01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:08,080 Of the pilot, which was really cool. 1805 01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:09,520 How do you fly so much? 1806 01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:13,760 Cause you've already told the listeners you've flown in like this will be your fifth time 1807 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,920 coming up in the last year. 1808 01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,080 Technically, well, I mean, we're in a new year now. 1809 01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:19,560 So this will be my first time. 1810 01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,560 Don't fly Alaska. 1811 01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,800 Oh gosh, don't even bring that. 1812 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:26,800 It's a bad joke. 1813 01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:27,800 It's a bad joke. 1814 01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,920 Although nobody got hurt. 1815 01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,560 I was actually looking into starting to get an Alaska card. 1816 01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:36,160 So I'm glad I haven't done that yet. 1817 01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:39,120 No, the how do you fly? 1818 01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:40,400 So you do that? 1819 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,280 You do the earbuds and. 1820 01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:43,280 Oh yeah. 1821 01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,560 Well, we just, we just spoke about that. 1822 01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:46,560 We need to repeat that. 1823 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:47,560 No, I understand. 1824 01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:48,560 Do you drink before? 1825 01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:53,120 Oh, no, no, that's a real question. 1826 01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:59,640 Not normally or not specifically not anymore than I usually drink. 1827 01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:00,640 Nothing special there. 1828 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,840 You're like, oh, get on a plane, but I get wasted. 1829 01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:03,840 That's me. 1830 01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,240 I really don't have any issue with flying. 1831 01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,760 Although to be fair, I don't know. 1832 01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,280 I've been flying since I was a kid. 1833 01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,720 I mean, my mom left when I was in high school, so I've been flying back and forth to Texas 1834 01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,200 since then. 1835 01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:21,200 My first time flying a plane, I think I was 14 or. 1836 01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,200 You flew a plane. 1837 01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:24,200 Sorry, what? 1838 01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:25,200 Twice. 1839 01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:26,200 Oh, was that? 1840 01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:27,200 Really? 1841 01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:28,200 My uncle was a pilot. 1842 01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:33,720 He, he, he, everybody when they turned a certain age, he would take them up so they 1843 01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,080 would have their first flying lesson. 1844 01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,320 That's so cool. 1845 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:43,200 I got to go and then he got one for one of my sisters, I think, and they didn't want 1846 01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:44,200 to go, so I got to go for them. 1847 01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:47,200 I was going to say, I feel like I might opt out. 1848 01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:48,880 I don't know, that's just me. 1849 01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,120 Oh, Louis flying the plane? 1850 01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,240 No, I might opt out of flying it myself. 1851 01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,240 Oh, I don't fucking trust myself. 1852 01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,840 Well, you're not up there by yourself. 1853 01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:57,840 I know. 1854 01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:02,680 It's not like, like, you're like picturing the book hatchet. 1855 01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,680 Like what if, what if he passes out the pilot? 1856 01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:07,600 What if he passes out? 1857 01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:08,600 The book hatchet? 1858 01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:09,600 Hatchet? 1859 01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:10,600 Hatchet. 1860 01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:11,600 You didn't have to read that? 1861 01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,480 That was like required reading where I'm from. 1862 01:19:13,480 --> 01:19:15,880 This guy's on a plane. 1863 01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:22,440 Actually, the movie is with the kid, one of the kids from Honey I Shrink the Kids. 1864 01:19:22,440 --> 01:19:28,760 But this guy's on a plane over, I want to say the Canadian wilderness and it's a private, 1865 01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:34,120 it's just him and the pilot and the pilot has a heart attack and crashes the plane in 1866 01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:35,120 the middle of the wilderness. 1867 01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,280 That's why there's a copilot. 1868 01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,400 There was no, it was just him and the pilot. 1869 01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:40,400 There's nobody else there. 1870 01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:41,400 So it was a tiny baby pilot. 1871 01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:45,520 And the kid's supposed to be like a teenager and all that he had from the plane crash. 1872 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:46,520 I remember this. 1873 01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:47,960 All he had from the plane crash. 1874 01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:48,960 Oh my God. 1875 01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:50,400 Was a hatchet. 1876 01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,320 And he used it, he found flint, he made fire, he's... 1877 01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:54,320 I remember this movie. 1878 01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:55,320 He cut down wood. 1879 01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:56,320 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1880 01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,600 Is the kid with the glasses in Honey I Shrink the Kids, right? 1881 01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,000 No, no, no, it's the middle kid. 1882 01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,000 It's the neighbor's younger kid. 1883 01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,000 The neighbor's younger kid. 1884 01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:07,400 I don't remember. 1885 01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:11,720 So there's the, what is it, Zelinski's, whatever their names are? 1886 01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:12,720 Zelinski's. 1887 01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:13,720 Yeah. 1888 01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:18,480 So there's the blonde and then there's the kid with the glasses and then there's the 1889 01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:22,200 two neighbors, the two boys, which was the older one, which was the blonde's age and 1890 01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,840 then the middle kid, which is the other blonde kid. 1891 01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:26,480 That's the one that was in hatchet. 1892 01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:28,480 Let me look. 1893 01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:33,280 That was 1989, God, I feel so old. 1894 01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:34,680 Yeah, I remember that. 1895 01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,040 Not Russell, that was the older one. 1896 01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,040 Yeah. 1897 01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:39,040 Ron. 1898 01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:40,040 Sure. 1899 01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:41,040 Was it Ron? 1900 01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:42,040 Sure. 1901 01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:45,120 Hey, I can remember, I don't remember his name. 1902 01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:46,960 I'm not really great with names. 1903 01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:51,360 He's the kid from Big, is he not? 1904 01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, kid from Big. 1905 01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:54,680 Yeah, okay, the kid from Big. 1906 01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:58,480 She's actually like, she's remembering, she's looking it up. 1907 01:20:58,480 --> 01:20:59,480 It's the kid from Big. 1908 01:20:59,480 --> 01:21:01,760 I saw his photo when I was like, kid from Big. 1909 01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:02,760 Oh yeah. 1910 01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:03,760 He was in Pet's Cemetery. 1911 01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,360 Oh, he was the shithead kid from Pet's Cemetery, wasn't he? 1912 01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:07,360 Oh, geez. 1913 01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,560 I think he stopped acting not too long after that too. 1914 01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,600 Like he didn't really, or like, well quit for a while, I'm sure. 1915 01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,320 There's a movie called Shrunk that's coming out in 2024. 1916 01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:17,320 Has anybody heard of this? 1917 01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:18,320 No, is it him? 1918 01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:19,800 Is it have to do with Honey I Shrunk the Kids? 1919 01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:24,640 And amateur scientists and father accidentally shrinks his family with the ladies. 1920 01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:25,640 He just invidged. 1921 01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:29,640 He built in 1989 at the time. 1922 01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:34,280 It's with Josh Gad and Rick Moranis. 1923 01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:35,920 I was saying is Rick Moranis back? 1924 01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,840 Because he said he's coming back to film, so I'm so excited. 1925 01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:40,960 I know, I didn't know though. 1926 01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,120 This is a true crime. 1927 01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:43,120 I am losing. 1928 01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:44,120 It's a movie kitchen. 1929 01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:49,120 Oh my gosh, you have to, you have to tag the vacation. 1930 01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:50,960 There's no rules on DAK. 1931 01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:52,440 There's no rules on DAK Live. 1932 01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:53,760 Oh my gosh, on DAK. 1933 01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:55,760 I love that. 1934 01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:56,760 That is crazy. 1935 01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:00,840 Shrunk coming out 2024, you heard it here for the first time folks. 1936 01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:01,840 Did you? 1937 01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:06,840 Well, if you didn't hear it somewhere else, you heard it here for the first time. 1938 01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,840 If you didn't hear it somewhere else, then you're hearing it now here for the first 1939 01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:10,840 time. 1940 01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:11,840 Obsessed. 1941 01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:12,840 Oh, that sounds fun. 1942 01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:13,840 All right, so you said you had a couple of questions. 1943 01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:14,840 I do, yeah, I do. 1944 01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:15,840 I have a couple of questions. 1945 01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:22,840 All right, so Kay Nasty asks, Louie, what, and this is me being super vain, all right, 1946 01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:26,640 I'm getting really close to my camera. 1947 01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:33,960 What was your favorite episode that Koala and I covered on our podcast? 1948 01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,800 I used to know that off the top of my head. 1949 01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:42,160 But right now, I mean, after the last couple of episodes, I really liked, oh god, you know, 1950 01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:46,520 the one that like maybe cringed the most was probably, and that's the one like that I always 1951 01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:47,520 go to. 1952 01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,240 I was like, if you like true crime, try this one. 1953 01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:51,240 Was it Kraft? 1954 01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,440 Oh, it was the worst. 1955 01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:54,440 Randy Kraft. 1956 01:22:54,440 --> 01:22:55,440 The worst. 1957 01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:56,440 The worst. 1958 01:22:56,440 --> 01:22:57,440 So worst. 1959 01:22:57,440 --> 01:22:58,440 We got it again. 1960 01:22:58,440 --> 01:22:59,440 Randy Kraft was awful. 1961 01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:00,440 Oh, so did you listen to the recap episode? 1962 01:23:00,440 --> 01:23:01,440 Is that what you're saying? 1963 01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:02,440 Like, flashback? 1964 01:23:02,440 --> 01:23:03,440 Yeah, the recap was fun. 1965 01:23:03,440 --> 01:23:13,080 And then the, I mean, the one where you, honestly, all the cringy stuff that you said 1966 01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:20,240 at the end, where the guy did the, you know, tried to kill Peter Lorre's daughter. 1967 01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:24,480 But unsuccessfully, that episode where you were at the very end, you did, you want to 1968 01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:25,680 hear all these gory details? 1969 01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,280 Yes, that's the history of serial killers. 1970 01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:33,440 I laughed because Koala made the creepiest face in the world right now, and it caught 1971 01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:34,440 me so off guard. 1972 01:23:34,440 --> 01:23:35,440 I'm sorry. 1973 01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:38,240 No, it was like way worse than that. 1974 01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:39,480 Okay, I'm sorry. 1975 01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:41,160 I looked over it and she was making this weird face. 1976 01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:45,320 Yes, that's the history of serial killers that you're talking about, which is my, the 1977 01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:46,840 creepy facts at the end. 1978 01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:51,720 I was anticipating the creepiness and then I was exposing my teeth in a very creepy 1979 01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:52,720 way. 1980 01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:53,720 It was very scary. 1981 01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:54,720 But yes. 1982 01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:55,720 Okay, so Randy Kraft. 1983 01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:56,720 Yes. 1984 01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:57,720 Randy Kraft. 1985 01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:58,720 Okay, that one was, that one was crazy. 1986 01:23:58,720 --> 01:23:59,720 Final answer? 1987 01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:00,720 Yeah. 1988 01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:02,720 And would you like to phone a friend? 1989 01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:03,720 No. 1990 01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:04,720 Okay. 1991 01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,560 You are the weakest link. 1992 01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:11,680 My next question is, and I'll, I will close with this. 1993 01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,720 I'm probably not going to say much after this, but. 1994 01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:14,720 Okay. 1995 01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:23,320 Louie, if you had any advice for the listeners when it comes to ODD, ADHD, ADD or any other 1996 01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:28,840 type of mental disorder that you could diagnose with when you're young, what would you say? 1997 01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:30,360 I mean, I don't know. 1998 01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:38,400 The hardest, the, for me, what worked was spending as much time as I could off of medication 1999 01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:44,960 and just really, I don't know, learning to focus somehow with therapy, with however you 2000 01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:50,120 can get someone to get you the right therapy to learn how to focus because that was the 2001 01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:52,760 hardest thing I think for me. 2002 01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:54,120 It's kind of on the spot. 2003 01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,120 I'm already losing focus. 2004 01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:57,120 Sorry. 2005 01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:58,120 No, it's okay. 2006 01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:00,600 I know that you weren't expecting that question. 2007 01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:05,280 But I'm just curious because, I mean, there's probably a bunch of people out there that 2008 01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,680 are maybe in the same situation that you were in or maybe the same situation that you're 2009 01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:14,520 in now that did have that diagnosis when they were younger and they're probably still maybe 2010 01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:16,640 learning how to cope. 2011 01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:21,360 And not to say that your coping mechanism will work for everybody, but just in general, 2012 01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,640 coming from someone that's experienced that. 2013 01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:24,800 Well, I'm still learning. 2014 01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:29,880 I've also gotten to the point where recently it's been, I've been overwhelmed mentally 2015 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:35,760 and I used to be able to handle a lot more stuff thrown at me at once and right now it's 2016 01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:41,560 gotten to the point where if too many things get thrown at me, I start to get frustrated 2017 01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:48,320 and don't know how to act and everything gets all messed up and it's hard. 2018 01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:50,320 But it happens. 2019 01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,360 We do what we can. 2020 01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:55,680 Yeah, I definitely identify with that. 2021 01:25:55,680 --> 01:26:00,120 It's not just, you know, earlier in the episode we were talking about like what I call ADD 2022 01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,640 interruption. 2023 01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:08,640 It's not as simple as taking an entire 24 hours and prioritizing that 24 hours or even 2024 01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,320 prioritizing the next hour. 2025 01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:21,360 It is culminated and compounded with the thought of having to complete tasks over a week or 2026 01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,800 a month or a year. 2027 01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,480 And those things become overwhelming for me. 2028 01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:32,920 So when I have my moments where I'm very overwhelmed, it doesn't really, it starts or seemingly 2029 01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:38,920 starts within that first hour, but then it's over the course of six hours, 12 hours, 24 2030 01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:47,280 hours a week and then that's when it starts becoming an anxiety or a panic mode for me. 2031 01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:52,080 And it's definitely being able to prioritize and everybody's going to cope differently. 2032 01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:56,360 There's not going to be one specific way that someone copes and then therefore, you know, 2033 01:26:56,360 --> 01:27:00,040 I heard this on a podcast where I read this in an article and that must be the way that 2034 01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:05,040 my child or my sister or my daughter processes these things. 2035 01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:15,040 I think just for me lending a lot of patience is my biggest reward from someone that can 2036 01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:16,440 give me something. 2037 01:27:16,440 --> 01:27:17,440 It's so vital. 2038 01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:18,440 It is. 2039 01:27:18,440 --> 01:27:21,440 It's the patience. 2040 01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:26,560 And for me personally, I couldn't recognize when someone isn't available to give me that 2041 01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:32,440 patience and it kind of pulls me away from that person or I pull away from that person 2042 01:27:32,440 --> 01:27:38,120 because this person, it doesn't give me the patience and then especially if I give them 2043 01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:40,880 a greater understanding of what I'm going through and they still don't give me that 2044 01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:46,560 patience, then I'm like, sorry, really frustrated, removed, you know, because I disengage because 2045 01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:53,160 I can't, that's not somebody that I can go to with those specific needs and yeah, we 2046 01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,240 all have needs that need to be met and that's one thing. 2047 01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,240 I require patience from someone. 2048 01:27:58,240 --> 01:27:59,240 Yeah, I agree. 2049 01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:03,880 I think that personally, you know, like I said, I don't have the experience of being 2050 01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,640 diagnosed with something at a young age. 2051 01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:11,760 However, I know enough about psychology to understand that I do struggle with certain 2052 01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:13,760 things. 2053 01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,520 And I will say even last night, you know, we recorded. 2054 01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,280 And then I thought about it. 2055 01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,000 I said, we're recording tomorrow night. 2056 01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:22,840 We have a birthday on Wednesday. 2057 01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:24,120 We're recording on Thursday. 2058 01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:26,520 I'm leaving town on Friday. 2059 01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:31,800 And I just started school today, you know, and it's all of these things and I went to 2060 01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:36,320 my room after we started to stop recording and I was like, oh my god. 2061 01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:40,120 I told Casey immediately, I said, look, within the next two weeks, you're going to have to 2062 01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:46,040 give me a lot of patience because I have something to do every single day after work, after a 2063 01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:50,040 full time day of work, every single day for the next two weeks. 2064 01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:52,200 And that's extremely overwhelming. 2065 01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:57,400 Not to mention the fact that I may be getting sick, you know, like it's everything. 2066 01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:01,480 And I'm like, okay, what do I do? 2067 01:29:01,480 --> 01:29:02,480 That's weird, right? 2068 01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:03,680 Because it's never so unusual. 2069 01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:04,680 It's so unusual. 2070 01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:05,680 Never happened. 2071 01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:07,440 It's kind of has the greatest skin in the world. 2072 01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:08,920 It doesn't ever get diseased. 2073 01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,040 It never gets sick. 2074 01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:12,040 The worst. 2075 01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:18,720 No, but seriously, it's like, I, you know, I've learned, if not even within the last 2076 01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:24,240 six months, like I cannot control everything that happens. 2077 01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:28,400 What I can control is what I choose to do. 2078 01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,880 And I still put more stuff on my plate and I feel like I do that. 2079 01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,800 I don't know why I do that, but I'm just that kind of person. 2080 01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,200 I will say like, go ahead. 2081 01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:42,160 One of the things that, now that I had a second to think about it, one of the things 2082 01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:47,600 I would have, I would have should have said was taking things one step at a time, figuring 2083 01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:51,000 out what one step is, is also very important. 2084 01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,000 Absolutely. 2085 01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:53,000 Yeah. 2086 01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:57,000 Bringing it down to a little increment and just doing one thing helps. 2087 01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:02,760 And absolutely not tit for tat here, but all of those things that you just listed, do the 2088 01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:04,520 last thing first. 2089 01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:08,880 Because the last one is like, get sick first or what? 2090 01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:13,200 Get sick first and then the rest of it comes out to me. 2091 01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:15,360 No, but it's true. 2092 01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:20,880 It's, you know, when it really comes down to it, like this is a mental health forward 2093 01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:26,360 podcast and we need to take care of ourselves just as much as we want our listeners to take 2094 01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:27,360 care of ourselves. 2095 01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:28,360 Oh, absolutely. 2096 01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:31,960 So do what is most important to you. 2097 01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:33,760 Take care of yourself first. 2098 01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:39,640 I don't want to be vain or be ignorant by saying there's always another day. 2099 01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:44,200 There's always tomorrow, but don't be so hard on yourselves because I'm very hard on myself 2100 01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:47,520 and it bites me in the ass 10 times, you know? 2101 01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:48,520 Yeah. 2102 01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,280 It's not easy to be an adult. 2103 01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:51,280 Shake it off. 2104 01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,120 Don't just shake it off. 2105 01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:59,160 Sometimes you can't shake it off and take it like Louis said, day by day, take it, take 2106 01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:02,480 some things with a grain of salt if you need to, you know? 2107 01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:03,840 Talk to your friends, talk to your family. 2108 01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:10,520 They can help and especially like we were just talking about express that you need patience. 2109 01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:11,880 You need a moment. 2110 01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:13,680 It's okay. 2111 01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:19,160 I think that we've done that in our family so well over the last couple of years, especially 2112 01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:20,160 with you and mom. 2113 01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:25,080 I feel like now I can recognize those things as soon as they happen. 2114 01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:30,480 If you give me a look or if you are certain mannerism, I know immediately I'm going to 2115 01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:31,480 come back in five minutes. 2116 01:31:31,480 --> 01:31:35,280 I'm not going to press the issue even especially with mom. 2117 01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:39,280 If she's going through something that I can recognize, nope, I'm not going to continue 2118 01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:40,280 to ask questions. 2119 01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:41,960 I'm going to recognize that in her. 2120 01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:42,960 Give her the patience. 2121 01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:43,960 Give her the space. 2122 01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:45,760 Not even, yeah, the patience but also the space. 2123 01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:46,760 I'm not going to hover. 2124 01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:52,160 I'm going to give her some time and I'll come back to it and that's fine. 2125 01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:58,440 It is what it is as long as everyone's able to cope with the things that they cope with 2126 01:31:58,440 --> 01:32:03,240 personally and express that to others, then that's the grace that you can give people. 2127 01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:05,800 Louie, any last words? 2128 01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:09,440 I was going to do, what was it? 2129 01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:10,440 The woo-coo-coo-coo-coo. 2130 01:32:10,440 --> 01:32:11,440 Woo-coo-coo-coo-coo. 2131 01:32:11,440 --> 01:32:12,440 What is that? 2132 01:32:12,440 --> 01:32:13,440 It's the me and Louie thing. 2133 01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:14,440 I don't know. 2134 01:32:14,440 --> 01:32:15,440 I've spent a rough time. 2135 01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:16,440 Damn, well I'm here too. 2136 01:32:16,440 --> 01:32:17,440 I know I feel very left out. 2137 01:32:17,440 --> 01:32:18,440 Give people patience. 2138 01:32:18,440 --> 01:32:19,440 Give me a woo-coo-coo. 2139 01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:20,440 Woo-coo-coo-coo-coo. 2140 01:32:20,440 --> 01:32:21,440 Yeah, that's pretty good. 2141 01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:22,440 Woo-coo-coo-coo. 2142 01:32:22,440 --> 01:32:23,440 It's a good start. 2143 01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:28,440 Yeah. 2144 01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:32,440 Yeah. 2145 01:32:32,440 --> 01:32:33,440 That is the next part by the way. 2146 01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:34,440 I do it all. 2147 01:32:34,440 --> 01:32:39,920 Next time we're having one of my friends on the hook so that I can have our little inside 2148 01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:40,920 jokes tonight. 2149 01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:41,920 We're not friends? 2150 01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:42,920 What? 2151 01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:43,920 Oh wait. 2152 01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:44,920 One of my oldest friends. 2153 01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:45,920 I'll tell you that. 2154 01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:46,920 I'll tell you that. 2155 01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:47,920 I'll tell you that. 2156 01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:48,920 I'll tell you what. 2157 01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:49,920 I'll tell you what. 2158 01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,920 Louie, thank you so much for spending time with me. 2159 01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:53,920 Yeah, absolutely. 2160 01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,440 Thank you for spending time with me. 2161 01:32:56,440 --> 01:32:59,320 I'm starving and it's been great. 2162 01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:03,280 It's been a- and you haven't got a chance to go pee yet? 2163 01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:04,280 I know. 2164 01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:05,280 I have not. 2165 01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:06,280 I have not left once. 2166 01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:08,280 I have the letter of a kid three times. 2167 01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:11,040 Well the second time was supposed to be a secret. 2168 01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:14,280 I have- I left and I didn't say anything and no one said- 2169 01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:15,280 Your chair made a noise. 2170 01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:16,280 It was a noise. 2171 01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:18,280 The listeners know the truth. 2172 01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:21,960 Listeners do know the truth because they can go back and hear your chair scooping out 2173 01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:22,960 the way. 2174 01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:23,960 It's embarrassing. 2175 01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,480 It's embarrassing to- you're an agent. 2176 01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:27,480 It's embarrassing to me. 2177 01:33:27,480 --> 01:33:28,480 A human behavior. 2178 01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:31,480 You should not fully function like a human at all. 2179 01:33:31,480 --> 01:33:32,480 Yeah, exactly. 2180 01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:35,680 And when we actually record we can pause and I can go to the restroom. 2181 01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:37,640 Louie, thank you so much for being here. 2182 01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:38,640 We love you so much. 2183 01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:39,640 Yes, seriously, thank you. 2184 01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:44,080 I can't wait to see you like an- oh, we can have? 2185 01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:45,080 Uh, yes. 2186 01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:47,640 Oh, the 27th, I think. 2187 01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:48,640 The 27th. 2188 01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:50,040 That was exciting. 2189 01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:55,320 Louie, thank you not only for being here and hanging out with us tonight, but for everything 2190 01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:56,320 that you've done for us. 2191 01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:57,320 Yeah. 2192 01:33:57,320 --> 01:34:01,360 When it comes to the podcast for the last couple of years, you know. 2193 01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:02,360 You and your family. 2194 01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:04,000 Yeah, your family, your whole family. 2195 01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:07,240 It's been really great and we like to have- 2196 01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:11,880 Remember, my mom wants you to come over and make bracelets anytime you want, so you can 2197 01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:12,880 go to one or another. 2198 01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:13,880 We need to go to California. 2199 01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:14,880 No, it's fine. 2200 01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:15,880 She's here. 2201 01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:16,880 She's there. 2202 01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:17,880 Let's go to San Antonio. 2203 01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,240 Let's go down the street. 2204 01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:21,240 Let's go. 2205 01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:22,920 We'll do that for sure. 2206 01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:23,920 We love that. 2207 01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:24,920 I can't wait to see you. 2208 01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:25,920 Yay. 2209 01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:26,920 And yeah. 2210 01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:29,960 Are you ready to do the love you buy with us? 2211 01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:30,960 Uh, yeah, sure. 2212 01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:36,320 Oh my God, wait, Louie, you're going to be- we've talked this whole time about you being 2213 01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,800 in town and your mom and your sister don't know. 2214 01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:39,800 Yeah, I know. 2215 01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:43,040 They're not gonna- well, they know I'm going to be in town, saying don't tell them about 2216 01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:44,040 the podcast. 2217 01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:45,040 Oh. 2218 01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:48,600 We're gonna release it on the 20th of December. 2219 01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:50,960 I was like, oh shit, yeah, I could just get a week before you get here. 2220 01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:51,960 That was all right. 2221 01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:52,960 No, that's fine. 2222 01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:53,960 I was saying don't tell them beforehand. 2223 01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:54,960 I see. 2224 01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:55,960 Oh yeah. 2225 01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:56,960 Oh, that's so exciting. 2226 01:34:56,960 --> 01:35:00,880 I didn't know that they didn't know that you were going to be on here. 2227 01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,680 So we're going to sign off to Lisa and Andrea. 2228 01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:07,520 And we are going to have Louie do our signature sign off with us. 2229 01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:08,520 Are you ready? 2230 01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:09,520 Do we have anything else? 2231 01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:10,520 Anything else? 2232 01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:11,520 Uh, no. 2233 01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:12,520 Okay. 2234 01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:13,520 All right. 2235 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:14,520 Love you. 2236 01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:15,520 Bye.