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Welcome back to another episode of diagnosing a killer. 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:34,880 This is Dr 3 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:40,560 It's been a while since we've done a minty and breaky intro dancey intro songy. 4 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,560 Songy and dancey. 5 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,040 Ah, it's late. 6 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,040 How's everyone doing? 7 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,040 Doing alright. 8 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,040 Yes, we always ask that. 9 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,040 We're excited for the month. 10 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:53,040 Yeah. 11 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,040 January is the best month. 12 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,040 It's my birthday month. 13 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,760 It's my half birthday month. 14 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,560 This episode will actually come out a day after my half birthday. 15 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:00,560 Yeah. 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,560 Oh, yeah, the 15th? 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:03,560 Yep. 18 00:01:03,560 --> 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Okay, me too. 33 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,440 This is actually a request by the lovely ladies that host the podcast, Lady You're 34 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:38,440 Scaring Us. 35 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:39,440 Oh, hey, ladies. 36 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:40,440 Hey, ladies. 37 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:41,440 And we did take your request. 38 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:46,240 So today, we are going to deep dive into Borderline Personality Disorder. 39 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,480 Oh, my gosh. 40 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,040 So we've talked about different personality disorders on the mental breakdown. 41 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,680 We've talked about them on cases. 42 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,600 We've definitely talked about BPD before, but in passing, we haven't really done a 43 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:57,880 deep, deep dive of it. 44 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:58,880 Yeah. 45 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,080 So I decided to bring that today. 46 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,200 I'm excited. 47 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,200 So, this is a content warning. 48 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:08,280 This episode contains depictions of self-harm, self-sabotage, extreme reactions to particular 49 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,520 scenarios, talk of suicide, and mention of murder of children. 50 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,960 If this episode is not for you, we encourage you to find another one of our episodes. 51 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,360 Remember your mental health is super important to us, and we love you. 52 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:19,360 We love you. 53 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:20,360 Love you. 54 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:21,360 Bye. 55 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,840 So yeah, content warning is a little bit of a doozy, but it's just because specific 56 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,200 cases get brought up that people had BPD, and we talk about just a little bit of that. 57 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:29,200 Okay. 58 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:30,200 Okay. 59 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:35,200 So, here's what your dudes, borderline personality disorder, or BPD, is a mental illness that 60 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,880 severely impacts a person's ability to manage their emotions. 61 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,880 This loss of emotional control could increase impulsivity, affect how a person feels about 62 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,680 themselves, and negatively impact their relationships with others. 63 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:52,920 The DSM-5 defines BPD as a pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, 64 00:02:52,920 --> 00:02:57,680 self-image and affects, and marked impulsivity, beginning by early adulthood and present in 65 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:02,280 a variety of contexts, as indicated by five or more of the following. 66 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:07,000 Number one is frantic effort to avoid real or imagined abandonment. 67 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,720 Number two, a pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by 68 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:16,560 altering between extremes of idealization and devaluation. 69 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:17,560 These words are very big. 70 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,000 I was going to say, good job. 71 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,000 Thank you. 72 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,280 Number three, identity disturbance, markedly and persistently unsable self-image or a sense 73 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,020 of self. 74 00:03:26,020 --> 00:03:30,440 Number four, impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging, such as 75 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,040 spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, or binge eating. 76 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,360 Oh, wow. 77 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:40,520 Number five, recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures or threats, or self-mutilating behavior. 78 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:45,200 Number six, effective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood, such as intense 79 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,480 episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely 80 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,960 more than a few days. 81 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,800 Number seven, chronic feelings of emptiness. 82 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,800 Number eight, inappropriate intense anger or difficulty controlling anger, such as frequent 83 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,680 displays of temper, constant anger, and recurrent physical fights. 84 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:08,520 And number nine, transient stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms. 85 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,040 It sounds like Chris and Gilbert. 86 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,040 Oh yeah. 87 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,680 I mean, just to a T, for sure. 88 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,840 And we've done a lot of cases, like I said, that this has gotten brought up because there 89 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:21,960 is a lot of cases where people do become serial killers and they have, or just killers in 90 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,560 general, and they're diagnosed. 91 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,640 That impulsion one is pretty interesting because it's a wide range of other types of, I guess, 92 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,520 like comorbidities, do you know? 93 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:31,960 Yeah, definitely. 94 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,840 People with BPD may experience intense mood swings and feel uncertainty about how they 95 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:37,560 see themselves. 96 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,840 Their feelings for others can change quickly and swing from extreme closeness to extreme 97 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:43,080 dislike. 98 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,960 These changing feelings can lead to unstable relationships and emotional pain. 99 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,280 People with BPD can also tend to view things at extremes, like all good or all bad, and 100 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:56,360 their interests and values can change quickly, causing them to act impulsively or recklessly 101 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,320 at times. 102 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,280 People with BPD tend to be extremely sensitive, with small things affecting them largely, 103 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:05,720 and having a difficult time calming themselves down after getting upset. 104 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:06,720 That's really interesting. 105 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:12,920 I feel like I've absolutely met at least one or two people that I feel have that kind 106 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:18,680 of, I don't want to call it like a pendulum swing, but an adverse reaction, something 107 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,440 that does not equate to the actual issue. 108 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,680 I've seen it a lot too, and I will say that it's definitely a symptom of drinking, because 109 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,120 I've seen it a lot at the bar per se or perhaps. 110 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,760 People can flip on the switch of a flip or whatever, or flip of a switch. 111 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,800 I think that the alcohol obviously increases the chances of that happening. 112 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,800 And the impulsivity, like you said. 113 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,000 And the impulsivity, for sure. 114 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,080 This is also not to be confused with someone that's having a panic attack. 115 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,320 Someone that has a panic attack has a hard time calming themselves down. 116 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,680 Obviously, you're going to have a hard time getting out of that. 117 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:54,440 Someone that is maybe not explosively angry, but stays angry for a long time, even if it's 118 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,160 not really intense anger. 119 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,840 It's beyond a reasonable measure. 120 00:05:57,840 --> 00:05:58,840 Exactly. 121 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:00,440 Yeah, exactly. 122 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,840 Other signs and symptoms of VPD include getting panicky or angry when a friend is a few minutes 123 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:09,360 late or cancels plans, causing the person to feel abandoned. 124 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,280 Having a quick temper and lashing out verbally at friends, parents, or family, especially 125 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:17,240 when they think someone is not meeting their high demands for support, is also a symptom. 126 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,840 Don't you think that ironic, though, that this behavior is probably turning a lot of 127 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:24,160 people off to wanting to be around you? 128 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,000 Not that it's something that you're doing. 129 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,000 This is a disorder. 130 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,000 For sure. 131 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,000 But I don't think that people that have VPD can even recognize that that's what they're 132 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,000 doing is a problem. 133 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Yeah. 134 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,840 Not a problem, but something that's going to turn people off. 135 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:43,240 Do you think that because of the disorder, the behavior itself is probably very confusing 136 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,240 for someone that doesn't understand the disorder. 137 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:46,240 Yeah. 138 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,480 So that's the pattern of abandonment that they're experiencing? 139 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:50,480 Maybe. 140 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,080 These symptoms of VPD, they lash out at people and then in turn they get abandoned, but they 141 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,560 don't recognize that it was their actions that caused that. 142 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:58,560 Yeah. 143 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,320 Which is really hard because, again, you said it's a disorder. 144 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:07,080 People are not doing this just to be difficult or to lose friendships or relationships, but 145 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,440 it's almost like they can't control that because it's an impulsive thing. 146 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,960 They can't control the explosive anger and the lashing out verbally and stuff, especially 147 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,160 when someone lets them down, quote unquote. 148 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,160 Right. 149 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:24,000 And again, like you said, one of the criteria is the fear of abandonment or any cost try 150 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,720 to avoid that feeling. 151 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:26,720 Yes. 152 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,600 So it's just kind of ironic that that's built in with the criteria of the disorder. 153 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:31,600 For sure. 154 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,400 Now, moving forward with these are signs and symptoms of VPD, so shifting their views rapidly, 155 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,960 like I stated in the criterion, such as going from praising someone to being overly critical 156 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:41,960 of that person. 157 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,400 So praising someone at first and then maybe something happens that's really minuscule 158 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,200 and then now you have a lot of things to say negatively about that person. 159 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:49,200 You're a liar. 160 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:50,200 You're whatever. 161 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,200 You're a thief. 162 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,200 Yeah. 163 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,520 Stabotaging themselves when they're about to reach a particular goal, like dropping 164 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,280 out of college shortly before graduation. 165 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:58,920 That's an extreme skill. 166 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:03,200 Harming themselves on purpose, such as cutting or burning themselves and creating crises, 167 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,040 such as an attempted suicide or threatening suicide to keep people from abandoning them. 168 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,040 Oh, wow. 169 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,040 I know. 170 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,040 That's really extreme. 171 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,720 Although most people that have VPD will not harm themselves to the point of fatality, 172 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,040 almost one in 10 individuals with VPD will ultimately die from suicide. 173 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:23,320 The average population prevalence of VPD is 1.6%, but experts estimate that it could 174 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,160 be much higher, as high as 5.9%. 175 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,720 Out of the population that is diagnosed, about 75% are women. 176 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:36,680 Eileen Warnos and Kristin Gilbert are examples of people women diagnosed with VPD, but Jeffrey 177 00:08:36,680 --> 00:08:39,600 Dahmer was also reportedly diagnosed with VPD as well. 178 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:40,600 Oh. 179 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:41,600 And it's funny that you did all three of those people. 180 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:42,600 I did. 181 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,240 I have a type. 182 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:45,240 Yeah. 183 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:50,080 VPD can be caused by a couple of different reasons, but the two most likely are genetic 184 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,240 and stress that occurred during childhood. 185 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:59,800 According to the DSM-5, quote, bear with me, because this is a lot of big words, quote, 186 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,000 there is considerable variability in the course of VPD. 187 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,080 The most common pattern is one of chronic instability in early adulthood, which episodes 188 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,440 of serious affecting and impulsive discontrol and high levels of use of health and mental 189 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,000 health resources. 190 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,320 The impairment from the disorder and the risk of suicide are greatest in the young adult 191 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,800 years and gradually wane with advancing age. 192 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,720 Although the tendency towards intense emotions, impulsivity, and intensity in relationships 193 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:28,840 is often lifelong, individuals who engage in the therapeutic intervention often show improvement 194 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,680 beginning sometime during the first year. 195 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:35,320 During their 30s and 40s, the majority of individuals with this disorder attain greater 196 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,880 ability in the relationships of vocational functioning. 197 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,640 Some studies of individuals identified throughout patient mental health clinics indicate that 198 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:47,320 after about 10 years, as many as half of the individuals no longer have a pattern of behavior 199 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,400 that meets full criterion for VPD. 200 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:50,400 End quote. 201 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:51,400 So that is interesting. 202 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:56,640 So do you think that in their earlier years, certain behaviors are accepted because you're 203 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:02,000 a young adult and nobody's choosing to correct the behavior because they just think that, 204 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,160 well, maybe it's hormones, maybe it's the frontal lobe, maybe it's these things. 205 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,160 Yeah, exactly. 206 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,160 I think we agree. 207 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:14,040 But then the older they get, the more they begin to understand what this is like unacceptable 208 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:15,040 behavior to anybody. 209 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,160 Like you should have grown out of that by now, essentially. 210 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,160 Yeah. 211 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,160 Yeah. 212 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,400 VPD is usually diagnosed in late adolescence or early adulthood, but occasionally people 213 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,000 younger than 18 can be diagnosed. 214 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,320 This is only possible if their symptoms are recurrent and last for over a year, which 215 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,200 is kind of like sucks because like you have to be dealing with this for like over a year 216 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,040 and all the time to be diagnosed before 18. 217 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,080 Which, you know, I think quite a few of those personality disorders are probably like that 218 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,080 as well. 219 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,080 Oh, for sure. 220 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:45,080 Right? 221 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,080 Yeah, definitely. 222 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,680 VPD commonly occurs comorbidly with other mental disorders such as PTSD. 223 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:53,320 Unfortunately, this can make it difficult to diagnose because their symptoms can be linked 224 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,480 to other disorders. 225 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,520 Bipolar disorder, anxiety disorders, substance use disorder, and eating disorders are also 226 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:00,600 common comorbidities. 227 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:05,400 So I'd like to talk about some famous people who have been diagnosed with or suspected 228 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:06,480 of having VPD. 229 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:07,480 Okay. 230 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,920 The first is Philip K. Dick. 231 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,680 He is a science fiction writer whose themes revolve around a shifting sense of consciousness. 232 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:18,880 Philip married five separate times with most of his relationships ending tumultuously. 233 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,840 He had actually had one of his wives admitted to a psychiatric facility and he actually 234 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,680 drove his car off the road with another girlfriend of his in the passenger seat. 235 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:29,680 Philip would state about his mentality, quote, 236 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:34,360 I experience an invasion of my mind by a transcendently rational mind as if I had been 237 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:43,000 insane all my life and suddenly I had become sane, end quote. 238 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,880 You're probably already aware that craft beers have exploded in popularity over the 239 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:47,880 past decade. 240 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,720 But what 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wife inside. 251 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,600 Off the road with a girlfriend. 252 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,600 Pay attention. 253 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,600 No, she can't. 254 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,800 He drove his wife off a cliff. 255 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,560 His girlfriend off the road. 256 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:44,600 So number two, like I said earlier, is Jeffrey Dahmer. 257 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,160 If you have not listened to the episode of JD, please go listen. 258 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,240 It's a really in-depth episode. 259 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,880 It's a Patreon only, so you'll have to join tier two or three to listen to it, but Koala 260 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:52,880 did a great job. 261 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:53,880 Thanks. 262 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,280 Jeffrey had a terribly unconventional childhood with his parents leaving him to care for himself 263 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,000 at a young age, leaving him with an intense fear of abandonment. 264 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,160 This along with many other things he experienced and engaged in paved the way for Jeffrey Dahmer 265 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:06,160 to be diagnosed with BPD. 266 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,280 That's all I have to say about that. 267 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:14,600 Well, yeah, I mean he started, you know, he would keep his victims in his apartment. 268 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,080 He would keep body parts in his apartment. 269 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,000 Remember the shower thing I told you? 270 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,000 That's awful. 271 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,000 That episode was gross. 272 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,000 Yes. 273 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,720 Or that tidbit in that episode rather. 274 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,240 Yeah, and then eventually he would eat people. 275 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,080 Well, don't give everything away if you want to listen to the episode. 276 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,880 That's true, but it all came from that sense of abandonment. 277 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,360 That way this person would never leave. 278 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,360 He would never leave. 279 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,000 He does have a digestive system work, that's fine. 280 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,280 He's also an alcoholic, so he pooped a lot. 281 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,280 Sorry. 282 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,680 Don't give it all away. 283 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:50,680 Right. 284 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:51,680 Moving on. 285 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:52,680 Please. 286 00:13:52,680 --> 00:14:00,120 Number three is HP Lovecraft, he was a science horror writer. 287 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,400 He suffered a number of deaths in the family at a young age, with his father dying when 288 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,360 he was little and his grandmother dying a few years later, sending him spiraling into 289 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,160 a deep depression. 290 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,320 His grandfather would also die suddenly following a business failure, and he would state that 291 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:19,000 his life changed almost instantly of warmth and death to a poverty and loneliness. 292 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,000 Oh, fuck. 293 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,000 HP would begin writing but was unable to take criticism to the point of sometimes not publishing 294 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,880 his works at all. 295 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:30,000 His aunt would describe his mental state around this time as, quote, so hideous that he hid 296 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,480 from everyone and did not like to walk upon the streets where people could gaze on him. 297 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:34,480 End quote. 298 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:35,480 That is so fucking sad. 299 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,160 I know, it's very, very sad. 300 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,800 Number four is Jodi Arias, who all did an awesome episode on this case as well. 301 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:43,800 I told you I have a type. 302 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,600 Yes, and a lot of the cases that you've done, yeah, just pop up in this episode. 303 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,160 Jodi murdered her ex-boyfriend by the name of Travis Alexander, and she fit the bill 304 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,240 pretty well for BPD. 305 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,520 Jodi had a strange obsession with Travis and was not fully realistic about the status of 306 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,020 their relationship. 307 00:14:59,020 --> 00:15:01,280 For more info on this, listen to the case, of course. 308 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:02,600 I don't know if she was ever diagnosed. 309 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:03,600 I think it was just suspected. 310 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,680 I feel like afterwards, yeah, she did, I think. 311 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:13,680 Number five, it is thought that Princess Diana could have met the criterion for BPD. 312 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,400 She was just 19 years old when she met Prince Charles, and although their relationship seemed 313 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:22,160 pretty perfect on the outside, it seems as though there was intense emotions coming from 314 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:23,440 Diana. 315 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,600 Even though there was never an official diagnosis that we know about, plenty of books about 316 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,840 the princess suggest that she could have been suffering from BPD. 317 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,200 That's interesting to me. 318 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:37,120 I don't know if that explains the affair, or if that does explain the affair. 319 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:38,280 You know what I mean? 320 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:43,880 Maybe she was, because I was just thinking like a bannermint, you know, I don't know 321 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:49,280 if it's necessarily having to do with one subject or multiple subjects, but you know, 322 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:54,560 if there's that want of needing to be loved and admired by others, then that might explain 323 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:55,560 the affair. 324 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:56,560 Yeah, definitely. 325 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,600 And it's so long ago, honestly, and it's hard to tell, because back then it was like, 326 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:01,600 what is, even BPD? 327 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,120 You know what, it probably wasn't. 328 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,120 Really a thing. 329 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,640 Number six, number seven, hey! 330 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:09,640 Edgar Allen Poe. 331 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,480 I love Poe. 332 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,560 This one might not be as closely accurate to the symptoms of BPD, but it has been suspected 333 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,800 that Edgar suffered from the disorder. 334 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,360 When he engaged in risky behaviors after experiencing bad relationship with his foster father, he 335 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,400 has also been thought to have recurring depression and even signs of potential bipolar disorder. 336 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,560 But again, never diagnosed. 337 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:30,560 Also Edgar Allen Poe. 338 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,280 He just has everything. 339 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:33,480 Depressy messy is like his thing. 340 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:34,880 Yeah, for sure. 341 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,400 Number seven, Ernest Hemingway. 342 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,080 Lots of writers. 343 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,760 Yes, similarly to Edgar Allen Poe, Ernest Hemingway has been suspected of meeting the 344 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:46,640 criterion for BPD, but also had many signs of severe depression, anxiety, and alcohol 345 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:47,640 abuse. 346 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,120 Lots of writers, lots of killers. 347 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,120 Yeah, for sure. 348 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,400 Well, they put it into their writing. 349 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:53,400 Yeah, right? 350 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,600 While he had these symptoms, it is thought that he might have had BPD due to the fact 351 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,440 that he engaged in often risky behavior. 352 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,000 Although this was never diagnosed, it's not simple to rule out, especially considering 353 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,240 the way mental health care was looked at back then. 354 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,440 And Hemingway would also commit suicide in 1961. 355 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,320 Same year that Princess Diana was born. 356 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,840 Oh yeah. 357 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,200 Number eight, Van Gogh. 358 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,200 Another artist. 359 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,880 Yes, like the people previously talked about on this list, Van Gogh engaged in very risky 360 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,040 behavior. 361 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,600 This is an understatement, as we know that he cut off his own ear after a supposed argument. 362 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,600 Sorry, that's not funny. 363 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,600 That's not funny. 364 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:29,600 That's not funny. 365 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,760 Goh experienced bouts of depression, mood swings, and extreme impulsive acts. 366 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,120 He would ultimately experience psychotic thoughts and behaviors that led him to staying 367 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:40,280 in an asylum for a number of months. 368 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,720 Van Gogh would fall into a deep depression that led him to shooting himself. 369 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,920 Unfortunately, he would not die instantaneously and would live for a few days following this 370 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,080 incident. 371 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,760 He was noted as stating about this, quote, I shot myself. 372 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,640 I only hope I haven't botched it, end quote. 373 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,080 You like shot himself in the abdomen or something, right? 374 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,560 Yeah, I think his chest area. 375 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,960 That's like, you know. 376 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,360 It's also kind of a conspiracy theory. 377 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:07,800 People don't think that he committed suicide. 378 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:08,800 Oh really? 379 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,240 Yeah, almost like a curcumin kind of situation. 380 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,080 Oh, like somebody did it to him? 381 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,080 I don't know the conspiracy. 382 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,080 I just know that people don't believe it. 383 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,560 Just like Courtney Love then too. 384 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,560 Yeah, a lot of people don't know that. 385 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,560 She's an ancient. 386 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,320 Number nine is Susan Smith. 387 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,640 Coelle did a great episode on this case as well. 388 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,640 Oh my gosh, it's like everyone. 389 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:31,640 I know. 390 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,960 Susan had two suicide attempts that we know about and was desperate to find a wealthy man 391 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,160 whom she could be in a relationship with. 392 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,400 Unfortunately, when she found a man whom she liked, it became clear to Susan that he did 393 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:42,720 not like children. 394 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,960 This is what investigators believe led her to murdering her two sons. 395 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,760 Susan was diagnosed with BPD. 396 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:49,760 Number 10. 397 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:50,760 Number 10. 398 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,320 This is actually the last one on this list. 399 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,880 Eileen Ornos, like I said earlier, and again, Coelle did an episode on this case. 400 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,560 I just have all of them. 401 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,280 Thanks for promoting me so much. 402 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,760 Like many others on this list, Eileen engaged in extremely risky behavior as she was a sex 403 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:10,720 worker and she used her work to lure men to where she wanted to in order to murder them. 404 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,240 Eileen had a horrible childhood, leading her to go down the path that she did, but she 405 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,560 absolutely fits the bill for BPD as well. 406 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:17,560 For sure. 407 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,920 A lot of abandonment at an early age for her too. 408 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:20,920 Definitely. 409 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,840 So there are a number of ways to treat BPD and the different types of treatment depend 410 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,800 on how severe a person's symptoms are. 411 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,800 Psychotherapy, or better known as talk therapy, is the most common form of treatment for BPD 412 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,560 and there are many different types of psychotherapy that can be beneficial. 413 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,680 The goals of psychotherapy are to focus on one's current ability to function, learn to 414 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,800 manage emotions that are uncomfortable, reduce one's impulsiveness by helping them observe 415 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:48,600 feelings rather than acting on them, work on improving relationships, and learn about 416 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:49,920 BPD in general. 417 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:56,600 So I'm going to go through the different types of BPD psychotherapy and treatment options. 418 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,960 So the first one is called mentalization-based therapy, or MBT. 419 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,520 This is a type of talk therapy that helps someone identify their own thoughts and feelings 420 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,160 at any given moment. 421 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,080 This also helps create an alternative perspective on the situation at hand. 422 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,740 This type of therapy essentially emphasizes thinking before reacting. 423 00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:17,960 The second one is called schema-focused therapy. 424 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,960 This can be done individually or in a group setting, and its goal is to help someone identify 425 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,720 unmet needs that led them to negative life patterns. 426 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:25,720 That's interesting, I like that. 427 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,920 Yeah, these patterns were perhaps beneficial to someone in the past, but now that they 428 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,920 have gotten through that hard time, it is no longer necessary, and I know that we've 429 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,160 talked about that before. 430 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:38,120 And in fact, now that they've gotten through that, it can be harmful to them. 431 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:42,120 This type of therapy focuses on helping someone get their needs met in order to promote positive 432 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:43,120 life patterns. 433 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:44,120 Number 3! 434 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:45,120 Number 3! 435 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:49,040 It is called dialectical behavior therapy, or DBT. 436 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,560 This type of therapy can also be done in an individual or group setting, and this is 437 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,360 a therapy specifically designed to treat BPD. 438 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:59,680 DBT uses a skills-based approach to teach someone how to manage their emotions, tolerate 439 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,960 distress, and improve their relationships. 440 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,560 Number 4 is called transference-focused psychotherapy, or TFF. 441 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,560 T-P-F- Excuse me, TFP. 442 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:09,560 Jesus. 443 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,480 I was like, I just said it. 444 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,760 This is also referred to as a psychodynamic psychotherapy. 445 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:19,680 TFP's goal is to help one understand their emotions and interpersonal difficulties through 446 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,080 the developing relationships between the client and the therapist. 447 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,880 The insights learned in this type of therapy are then encouraged to be utilized in outside 448 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,560 settings. 449 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,520 Number 5 is good psychiatric management. 450 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,920 This type of treatment, not psychotherapy, but it's just a treatment, relies on case 451 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,760 management and anchors treatment and an expectation of work or participation from the client. 452 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,080 It also focuses on emotionally difficult moments by considering the interpersonal context for 453 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,200 feelings. 454 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,240 This type of treatment may also integrate medications, groups, family, education, and 455 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,440 individual therapy as well. 456 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,440 So you can do these both at the same time. 457 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,960 And the last one is called systems training for emotional predictability and problem-solving, 458 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,480 or steps with two P's. 459 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,160 This is a 20-week treatment that involves working in groups that incorporate a client's 460 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,160 family members, caregivers, friends, or significant others into the treatment. 461 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,240 And this would also be combined with a type of psychotherapy that would also benefit the 462 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,240 client. 463 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,360 Yeah, it sounds like a little bit of rehab, but like Alanon too, with the family friends 464 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:16,360 coming in. 465 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:18,360 And it kind of sounds like a restart. 466 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:19,360 Yeah, a reboot. 467 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:20,360 Definitely. 468 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:21,360 Steps. 469 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:25,600 Although there are no medications that are approved by the FDA to treat BPD, someone 470 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,360 can be prescribed medications that can help improve the symptoms that are usually comorbid 471 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:35,120 with BPD, such as anxiety, depression, impulsiveness, or aggression and irritability. 472 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:39,440 So how do you know if you're experiencing symptoms of BPD or just a number of other things 473 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,600 that can mimic the disorder? 474 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:41,600 I love this. 475 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,400 You can ask yourself the following questions to determine your potential for this disorder. 476 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,440 Of course, you should always see a doctor for any medical information. 477 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,440 Do you want to answer? 478 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,440 Yeah. 479 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:51,440 Okay. 480 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,440 Although we're not licensed to diagnose. 481 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,440 Of course not. 482 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,000 But I don't think you want to identify with this disorder. 483 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,000 Oh, okay. 484 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,000 Did you find this in Cosmo? 485 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,000 I'm kidding. 486 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,000 No. 487 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,000 Okay. 488 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,080 Do you identify with the following statements? 489 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,000 Number one, I often feel empty. 490 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,000 No. 491 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,360 Number two, my emotions shift very quickly and I often experience extreme sadness, anger, 492 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:10,360 and anxiety. 493 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:11,360 No. 494 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:14,080 Number three, I'm constantly afraid that the people I care about will abandon me or 495 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,080 leave me. 496 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,080 Oh, gosh, that's too real. 497 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,360 Can I a little bit of yes and a little bit of no? 498 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:19,360 Yeah, for sure. 499 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:20,360 Yeah. 500 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:24,240 Number four, I would describe most of my romantic relationships as intense but unstable. 501 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,240 No. 502 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,880 Number five, the way I feel about the people in my life can dramatically change from one 503 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,240 moment to the next and I don't always understand why. 504 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,240 No. 505 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,560 Number six, I often do things I know are dangerous or unhealthy such as driving recklessly, having 506 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,040 unsafe sex, binge drinking, or going on spending sprees. 507 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,880 I mean, I smoke and I drink but that's it. 508 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,680 Yeah, but not bingeing. 509 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:44,680 Yeah. 510 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,880 I have once or twice recklessly driven. 511 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:47,880 Really? 512 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:48,880 Yeah. 513 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:49,880 Same. 514 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,480 I don't know how that was that funny. 515 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,840 It was just your face, you're like the same. 516 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,080 I just didn't ever but also I did. 517 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,080 I just drive fast. 518 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,080 I really don't drive recklessly. 519 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,080 I just drive fast. 520 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,240 I guess fast is reckless. 521 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,480 And then one more, when I'm feeling insecure in a relationship, I tend to lash out or make 522 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,160 impulsive gestures to keep the other person close. 523 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,720 Probably not an attempt to... 524 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:15,720 No. 525 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,720 No. 526 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:17,720 Yeah. 527 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:18,720 Okay. 528 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:19,720 Well, there's many more than just that. 529 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:20,720 Those are just a couple of examples I wanted to bring in. 530 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,720 I feel like I guess there's a little bit of everything. 531 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,120 A little bit of truth. 532 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:26,120 Yeah, for sure. 533 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:29,200 But again, we talk about the fact that everybody has a brain, everybody's capable of these 534 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,880 emotions and feelings, right? 535 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:31,880 Who wants to... 536 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,000 I mean, some people want to be alone, you know, and that's fine. 537 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,000 There's nothing wrong with that. 538 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,960 But me personally, do I want to be alone? 539 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,920 No, I enjoy being in a relationship. 540 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,720 But am I going to do everything in my power to keep that relationship? 541 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,720 No. 542 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:43,720 No, exactly. 543 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,480 If you do identify with several of the previous statements, you may meet criteria to be diagnosed 544 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,480 with BPD. 545 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,680 Again, always seek a professional opinion if needed because we are not licensed professionals. 546 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,280 If someone you know is showing signs or symptoms of BPD, it may be difficult to start a conversation 547 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,280 about it. 548 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,880 However, that conversation is extremely important. 549 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,280 There are some suggested ways to talk to someone with BPD or suspected BPD. 550 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,280 Take the time to learn about the illness to understand what your friend or relative is 551 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,760 experiencing. 552 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,800 Offer emotional support, understanding, patience, and encouragement. 553 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,800 Change can be difficult and scary to people with BPD, but things can improve over time. 554 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,580 Encourage your loved one to seek help and seek counseling for yourself if necessary. 555 00:25:22,580 --> 00:25:26,880 If you or someone you know is experiencing a crisis, you can call 988-247 to speak with 556 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:27,880 someone. 557 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,880 And of course, if it's an emergency, always dial 911. 558 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,040 But that's my mental breakdown. 559 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,960 That's a great topic. 560 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,360 Thank you, lady, for suggesting that. 561 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:36,600 Yeah, absolutely. 562 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,080 Like you said, we had mentioned many times this disorder, but we never really did a full 563 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,080 on deep dive. 564 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,080 Yeah. 565 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,080 So, yeah. 566 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,280 Well, I think it was good going to the New Year with a suggested case because I think 567 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,120 that, I mean, at least I'm sure you are as well and you have them on your list, but 568 00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:54,240 I'm definitely going to start tackling more requested cases because I know that our listeners 569 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,720 are the reason why we're here. 570 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,360 And so I definitely want to be honoring the requested cases that they're doing, even if 571 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,600 it's a mental breakdown or a regular case. 572 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,200 So yeah, that's all I got today. 573 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,920 Thanks for being on the topic. 574 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,840 Yeah, you guys continue to reach out to us and let us know what you want us to break 575 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:09,840 down next. 576 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,800 There's only so many diagnoses that we can cover, honestly, unless we do all the obscure 577 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:19,080 ones for the TSM that are real, not a lot of information on them, but anything, experiment, 578 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,280 event, something that you just think is cool. 579 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,280 Psychological synominal. 580 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,280 Yeah, anything. 581 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,880 Seriously, let us know. 582 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,200 This is our loophole to talk about other things than just your crime where the killer 583 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,400 is, you know who the killer is and you know who did it. 584 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,680 So thank you guys for joining us and we will see you on Thursday. 585 00:26:34,680 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