1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,000 Hello! 2 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Hello! 3 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,680 Welcome back to another episode of Dying, Noticing a Killer, the mental breakdown. 4 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:07,680 I'm Koal. 5 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:08,680 And I'm Kenneth. 6 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:35,880 Don't forget to heat, eat, and bone appetite! 7 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:42,000 I'm going to put that ad in this episode just because of that. 8 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Oh my god. 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,000 I was crying. 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,560 I was literally crying. 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,160 It was so funny. 12 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:50,120 We have the most fun doing our ads. 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,360 Like we just record them together and we just get them out of the way, just kind of make 14 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,360 them little clips so that we can just put them in any episode. 15 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,200 But we have to sit with the other person while they're doing it. 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,440 So it's hard to be super serious. 17 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,800 And then I did one for, you'll hear it, I'll put it in here at the end or in the middle. 18 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,040 And I said something very clever. 19 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,000 It was hilarious. 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:17,160 I was in my phone just adjusting my own ads on my Google Docs and I turned and looked 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,200 at Kenneth like she had just invented fire. 22 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,960 It was so funny. 23 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:26,720 I was like, holy shit, that's a golden, oh my gosh, a golden line. 24 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,920 So you just got to wait for it. 25 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,280 You'll hear it in the middle of this episode somewhere. 26 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:36,640 And then my ad, oh my gosh, I was so excited to do my ad because it is a company that I 27 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,640 have grown up with. 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:45,680 I feel like a lot of alternative, not just alternative, any type of person ever. 29 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,800 If you're a mall rat like me, you've definitely stepped into the store before and I was like, 30 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:56,080 I am going to put in a bunch of nods that I remember about this store. 31 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,040 It was just, it was great. 32 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,040 Cool. 33 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,040 Yeah. 34 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,840 I got those done. 35 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,520 And thank you guys for joining us for another mental breakdown. 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:05,520 Yeah. 37 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:06,520 You want to give them our handles? 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81 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:44,480 Yes. 82 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:49,800 Today we're going to be talking about murder in movies and the obsession of true crime. 83 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,120 Okay. 84 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,320 Which may or may not be a good title. 85 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,680 Okay, I'm ready to hear it. 86 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,720 Content warning, we may discuss things that relate to violence and trauma from abuse. 87 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,400 If this episode is not for you, we recommend you check out another one of our episodes. 88 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,400 Remember that your mental health comes first and we love you. 89 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:09,400 Love you. 90 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:10,400 Bye. 91 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,080 So we have always been interested in horror and true crime as humans, seemingly since 92 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,480 the introduction of entertainment. 93 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:23,800 As early as documentation in the 18th century, we have people have found the macabre interesting. 94 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:24,800 The macabre. 95 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,800 Like when you said macabre. 96 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:27,800 I still don't know what that means. 97 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:28,800 The macabre. 98 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,800 It's like dark themed stuff. 99 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,800 Oh, there you go. 100 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:32,800 Macabre. 101 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:33,800 Macabre. 102 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:39,800 The perceived inventor of early horror writings was a man by the name of Horace Walpole. 103 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:44,720 Although in the 18th century, this genre was called the Gothic genre, not horror. 104 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:45,720 Horace? 105 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,280 His name is Horace. 106 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:51,280 It sounds like you're saying Horace very strangely. 107 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:52,280 Horace. 108 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:53,280 Horace. 109 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:56,280 Are you into Horace? 110 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:57,280 Horace. 111 00:04:57,280 --> 00:04:58,280 That's a terrible name. 112 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:00,400 It just sounds like Horace. 113 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,160 I think of Horace and I think of Jasper. 114 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:04,160 Jasper. 115 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,560 A hundred and one donations. 116 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,560 Horace and Jasper. 117 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,600 You haven't seen it when I was a tyke. 118 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:11,600 A young tot. 119 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,240 No, not a long time. 120 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,720 I mean, of course I like the Disney one, but I like the live action Disney one with Glenn 121 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:18,720 Close. 122 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:19,720 Oh no. 123 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,720 She's also the guy in the Boo Box in Hook. 124 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,440 Yeah, you're speaking a different language. 125 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,960 Yeah, you lost me there. 126 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:33,160 So his novel, Horace Walpole, his Wobble. 127 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:40,320 His novel was called Castle of the Entronto, and it was published in 1764 and was one of 128 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,960 the earliest works of what would become the horror genre. 129 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:51,080 He said about his novel, quote, the castle of Entronto, was an attempt to blend two kinds 130 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,800 of romance, the ancient and the modern. 131 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,880 In the former was all imagination and improbability, and in the latter, nature was always intended 132 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,820 to be and sometimes has been copied with success, end quote. 133 00:06:03,820 --> 00:06:07,720 So this brings about that thought that the crossroads in where reality and imagination 134 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:13,920 meet can make things feel real, and when they feel real, they feel relatable. 135 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:20,800 So within the next 60 years, Mary Wallstonecraft Shelly would publish her novel in 1818, which 136 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:26,320 blended science and goth and would be one of the most famous gothic stories of all time. 137 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,320 Frankenstein. 138 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:28,320 Oh, yeah. 139 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:29,840 That's 1818. 140 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:30,920 Crazy. 141 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,600 So this novel further defined the gothic genre and introduced the world to the more specific 142 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,280 genre of horror. 143 00:06:38,280 --> 00:06:43,400 Edgar Allen Poe's work furthered this idea of gothic horror with his poems, often writing 144 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:48,400 about paranormal experiences with ghosts, being buried alive, and even describing scenes 145 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,400 of decomposition. 146 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,000 He was a very disturbed person. 147 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,800 I think he was cool. 148 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:57,800 Nevermore. 149 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:04,480 Bram Stoker gave the world Dracula in 1887, and with it introduced sexuality and tandem 150 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:09,280 with horror, even straddling the line of heteronormativity. 151 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:16,120 By the 1930s, we had supernatural horror novels by H.P. Lovecraft, and by 1970, we had Stephen 152 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,480 King's Carrie. 153 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,400 And of course, Stephen King is an author who still writes horror and supernatural genres 154 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:23,400 today. 155 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,520 But why do we love horror? 156 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,240 Most psychologists believe that the reason we enjoy watching and reading horror so much 157 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:34,800 is that we as humans have a natural response to threats evolutionarily. 158 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,160 We have a fight-or-flight response programmed into our brains for survival. 159 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:44,600 According to psychologytools.com, the fight-or-flight response is defined as a, quote, response 160 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:49,640 that is an automatic physiological reaction to an event that is perceived as stressful 161 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,040 or frightening. 162 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:56,400 The perception of threat activates the sympathetic nerve system and triggers an acute stress 163 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,360 response that prepares the body to fight or flee. 164 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:06,280 These responses are evolutionary adaptations to increased chances of survival in threatening 165 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:11,520 situations, end quote, thanks, Coda. 166 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:16,720 The article goes on to state, quote, the fight-or-flight response was originally described by American 167 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:22,760 physiologist Walter Bradford Cannon in the book Bottley Changes in Pain, Hunger, Fear, 168 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:28,560 and Rage, which he published in 1915. 169 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,880 He noted that when animals are threatened by exposure to a predator, for example, their 170 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:38,760 bodies release the hormone adrenaline or epinephrine, which would lead to the series of bodily changes, 171 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:43,280 including increased heart rate and respiration. 172 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:48,760 The consequences of these changes are increased in the flow of oxygen and energy to the muscles. 173 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,240 Cannon's interpretation of this data was that there were emergency functions of these 174 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:54,680 changes. 175 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:58,840 He noted that they happen automatically and they serve the function of helping the animal 176 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:05,200 to survive threatening situations by running the body for fighting or running, end quote. 177 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,200 I feel like that's the same, like, okay, so what I thought you were gonna say is a little 178 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:09,520 bit different. 179 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:15,000 When people watch horror or especially true crime, it's kind of similar to when you drive 180 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,240 by a really gnarly car accident, like you can't look away almost, because I feel like 181 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,400 the natural instinct is like, oh, thank God that's not me. 182 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,400 You know what I mean? 183 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,800 And you have to be aware of it so that you don't get into it. 184 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:26,800 Of course, yeah. 185 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,080 And I think it is a little bit of that too. 186 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,640 It is being more mindful, like you're being mindful and being aware of the situation and 187 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,360 taking it into a certain point where you're thinking, I need to avoid that. 188 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:39,920 That is danger, you know? 189 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,440 That can't happen to me or won't happen to me, because I'm aware now. 190 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:49,680 Research suggests that as many as 55% of the population enjoy emulating this response 191 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:54,480 through horror films, the majority of being male and those who do enjoy horror films tend 192 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,840 to have a slightly lower level of empathy. 193 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,120 Okay, that makes sense, because I hate horror films and my empathy is through the roof. 194 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:02,800 That's so funny. 195 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,040 That's interesting to me because you enjoy true crime horror films, which we'll talk 196 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,040 about. 197 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,040 They fucking... 198 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,480 Well, I don't like horror films. 199 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,000 The ones that really scare me are the ones that could actually happen. 200 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,000 In my mind. 201 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,960 Like, paranormal activity, shut the fuck up. 202 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:19,960 I don't like that at all. 203 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:20,960 It was boring. 204 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:21,960 It was boring? 205 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:22,960 It was boring. 206 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,760 It was evil, dead, terrifying, but also kind of unlikely. 207 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,800 But the chainsaw massacre, that could fucking happen. 208 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,880 That's the one you pulled out of me. 209 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,800 And we're just screamed just about as much as that girl at the end. 210 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,640 The last 20 minutes of the movie is just her screaming. 211 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,200 Just remember everybody that Kenna said that because we'll talk about some points here 212 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:44,200 in a second. 213 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:45,280 Oh, God. 214 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,800 So epinephrine, which is also adrenaline, is produced in the adrenal gland and can have 215 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,680 addictive properties, and that's where we get the term adrenaline junkies, right? 216 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:56,600 So it can actually be addictive. 217 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,280 Watching or reading horror content is a way to experience the response, but know that 218 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,800 there's no real perceived threat. 219 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,860 In fact, the Harvard Business Review reported that there are three main pillars that must 220 00:11:06,860 --> 00:11:10,720 exist within oneself in order to enjoy horror media. 221 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:11,720 No. 222 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:12,880 Yes. 223 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:13,880 This is so cool. 224 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:14,880 Okay. 225 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,920 So, one, you must know that you are physically safe at the moment. 226 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,920 Like you're watching a horror movie at home or at a friend's house in a safe space. 227 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,240 In a bed on a couch, yeah. 228 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:30,160 Number two, you must be able to detach yourself from the content that you're consuming. 229 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,680 So knowing that the living dead aren't real or that Freddy Krueger isn't real. 230 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:37,720 So you just have to be able to detach yourself. 231 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,720 And number three, you have to believe that you're in control of your content. 232 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,360 Covering your eyes when things are too much or you're anticipating a scary part or just 233 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,040 turning off the TV entirely. 234 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:52,520 Okay, so that's the thing, like I have all those things and I just don't like horror 235 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:53,520 films. 236 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:54,520 I don't know. 237 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:55,520 Maybe it is the control. 238 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:56,520 Maybe it is the control. 239 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,960 Maybe you feel out of control. 240 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,800 Well, I think it also stems from my childhood. 241 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,800 I'll tell you why. 242 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,600 It seems to a lot of horrors. 243 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,000 The thing that scares me the most about horror films are the pop-ups. 244 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,760 Like when something pops out, that scares me the most. 245 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:11,760 The jump scares? 246 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:12,760 The jump scares, yeah. 247 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,760 So I'm like, like, oh my god, it's true. 248 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,360 I used to terrify you all the time when you were little and you would jump out of places. 249 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:19,360 Yeah, you bitches. 250 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:20,360 Have you seen Insidious? 251 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:21,360 Yeah. 252 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,520 Okay, when they're at the kitchen table and it goes between like her face and then his 253 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,360 face and then her face and then it's his face with the guys right behind him. 254 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:30,360 Oh my god. 255 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:36,320 Is that the tiny Tim tiptoe to do the tulips or is that? 256 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,320 Yes, that's it. 257 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:38,320 That's it. 258 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,320 That one's awful. 259 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:40,320 That one's awful. 260 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:41,320 I can't. 261 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:48,480 I always confuse Insidious and what's the one with the, not the dibbick. 262 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,760 Oh god, I still have. 263 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,800 The, not the baguille. 264 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:53,800 Is it the baguille? 265 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:54,800 The one that seals the children? 266 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:55,800 Oh, I don't know. 267 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,800 I think it is with Ethan Hawke. 268 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,800 No, yeah, I look at him and watch Insidious. 269 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:00,800 I wouldn't have watched that. 270 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,800 It was like a small content warning because we didn't talk about this at the beginning 271 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,840 of the episode, but it's got a bunch of children that kill themselves and they videotape or 272 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,560 they kill their family and then themselves or something. 273 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:18,840 But the baguille, every time, like it'll pan over and it's like an old 35 millimeter 274 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,160 like film, like the video is. 275 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,560 And it's every time, I was going to get nightmares. 276 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:27,840 I can't, like you can see behind me. 277 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:28,840 I can't. 278 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:29,840 You have a wall behind you. 279 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:30,840 I have an open door. 280 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:31,840 Yeah. 281 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:32,840 I'm scared. 282 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,840 Every once in a while I'll just look past, kind of, it kind of goes, stop, stop, stop, 283 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:36,840 stop. 284 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:37,840 Stop, stop, stop. 285 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:43,040 But yeah, it'll pan over and it's the baguille and he just, nobody can see me do this, but 286 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,840 he has his back turned and then he'll just slowly turn his head. 287 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:48,840 Fuck. 288 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,840 Into the, oh my God, you have to see it. 289 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:51,840 It's terrifying. 290 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:52,840 No, thanks. 291 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:53,840 I'll pass on that. 292 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:54,840 Thank you. 293 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:59,840 But it says, you can see that sense of, I don't know, just out of control. 294 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,760 It's just like you can't, but maybe that's what it is because sometimes I don't like watching 295 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,240 horror movies if I'm not in the mood. 296 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,240 It's out of control for sure. 297 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,240 Yeah. 298 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:08,880 I can't control what's going to happen. 299 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:09,880 Yeah, exactly. 300 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,160 Especially if I haven't seen it before. 301 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,360 That was like the OG full body heaps though back then. 302 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,240 I was getting scared of movies. 303 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:16,240 Like, OG full body heaps. 304 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:17,240 Oh yeah, for sure. 305 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:18,240 Full body heaps. 306 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:19,760 I don't know. 307 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:24,920 So if one of these things are not in play, you risk the, you essentially run the risk 308 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,720 of being overly stimulated by the content and therefore creating a lasting impression. 309 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:30,720 Yeah. 310 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:31,720 Which happened. 311 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,360 So my, okay. 312 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:39,120 I understand that people really like the moth man and especially when he's drawn tiny 313 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,560 and cute, okay? 314 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,280 Everybody loves the moth man. 315 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:47,600 He scares me to the point to where I'm uncomfortable talking about him right now because I feel 316 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,840 like he's going to hear me and then he's going to show up in my sink in the middle 317 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,160 of the night and it's not going to be nice. 318 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,480 It's not going to be nice. 319 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,240 So for me, it's more of the threat of the unknown because again, it's out of control, 320 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:00,240 right? 321 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:05,800 Seriously, that's one that gave me a lasting impression. 322 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:12,120 And according to some studies, you may even experience or develop a similar response to 323 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,760 the effects of PTSD. 324 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,120 Yeah, I don't, I mean, yeah. 325 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:22,440 You just placed the blame on you because now all I can think about is you and Cameron 326 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,240 scaring me every chance you got when I was little. 327 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,240 Hiding in my closet like psychos. 328 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:28,240 God. 329 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,680 Now that makes sense. 330 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,680 We gave you the jump scare PTSD. 331 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:33,680 And now I don't watch horror films. 332 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,920 No, I can't watch horror movies. 333 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,520 Of course, it is not just a fight or flight response that makes us addicted to things 334 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,160 like horror films. 335 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,600 It can be the complexity of the puzzles that are being presented like in Saw or characters 336 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:52,160 that are charismatic that we would, so charismatic that we would love to hate them like Chucky. 337 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,360 Sometimes it's wanting to be a part of a legacy like the Friday the 13th franchise or maybe 338 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:01,320 even interesting twists like in Night Shyamalan movies. 339 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,960 We love to chat about the latest scariest film of the year and it creates a community 340 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,200 type feeling around them. 341 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,680 And in fact, horror films are popular date ideas as we adrenaline rush and perceived 342 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,000 threat can be a subconscious bonding experience between two people. 343 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,800 Yeah, I mean, in case you both hate horror films. 344 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:18,800 That's not pretty. 345 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,680 Gotta watch World War Two in color. 346 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:22,680 That's me. 347 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:28,120 Casey's, yeah, he's like a Western movie person and I'm like romcom or like just a 348 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,680 comedy or like a drama. 349 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:30,680 We're just Grey's Anatomy. 350 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,560 We're just Grey's Anatomy, which I'm bingeing. 351 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,160 I want the shooting episode right now. 352 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:40,200 Oh no, at the hospital with the, oh my gosh. 353 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,200 That is a great episode. 354 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:49,960 I pause that episode to come talk to you guys. 355 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,400 If you want great tasting meals daily, but can't find the time to shop or even cook, 356 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,640 we have the solution for you. 357 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,720 Fresh meal plan is a convenient, easy way to create custom meals delivered right to your 358 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,080 door with hundreds of rotating meals each week. 359 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,160 There's always something new to look forward to. 360 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,760 Many of their meals are ready in three minutes or less. 361 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,160 So you don't have to spend all night cooking. 362 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,320 Just select your meals, heat, eat and bon appetit. 363 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,480 Click the link in our show notes today for an exclusive offer with Fresh Meal Plan and 364 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:27,360 create the perfect menu for you. 365 00:17:27,360 --> 00:17:32,120 So in parallel to the enjoyment of horror content, True Crime has long fascinated the 366 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:34,960 greater public for very similar reasons. 367 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,640 So who isn't talking about Gypsy Rose right now? 368 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,040 We've created an entire community around her in the last few weeks. 369 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,200 Joni Arias was a woman who everyone wanted to know more about and the character she portrayed 370 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,440 and she was a puzzling woman. 371 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,040 True Crime stories can sometimes have more twists and turns than the latest M. Night 372 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,640 Shyamalan movie. 373 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,560 And with the wildest part about all of this is, is that it is real. 374 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,400 It is real and you can't make that shit up. 375 00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:59,400 You can't make that shit up? 376 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,400 Like no one's that creative. 377 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,640 You can't make that shit up. 378 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:08,480 So then I'll ask you, why are you scared of horror films but not True Crime necessarily? 379 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,400 I actually don't know. 380 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,880 I think because, well if you want my honest answer, which I'm not gonna lie obviously, 381 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,880 but I think it's because I know that I researched True Crime for a purpose. 382 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,320 Watching horror films does nothing for me educationally in my opinion, educationally 383 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,280 or in the future. 384 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,160 Researching True Crime puts me one step closer to preventing it from happening. 385 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,160 I love that answer. 386 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,680 That's why I think I'm so interested in it because I want to know what's going on and 387 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:35,680 how can we fix it. 388 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,360 Absolutely, on the nose. 389 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:43,160 So True Crime can become a cautionary tale or contain introspective properties that allow 390 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,400 us to look at ourselves and others around us more closely. 391 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,960 The fight or flight response still resonates within us when we're watching and listening 392 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,560 to True Crime stories. 393 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,000 However, something even deeper happens instinctually. 394 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:01,040 We are learning in real time how to spot signs of mistrust and deception or personality 395 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:05,080 traits in someone that we don't want to associate, all with the intention to protect ourselves 396 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,280 and those around us. 397 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,080 And you're learning twice as much if you listen to our podcast because we talk about 398 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:10,080 the psychology. 399 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,480 We're doing it right now, just to see. 400 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,720 We're already here, okay, we're sold. 401 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,560 Also in this scenario, there is an array of characters. 402 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,680 We have the protagonist, typically a victim of the crime who is seemingly forgiven for 403 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:29,240 all indiscretions prior to the crime for the sake of the story. 404 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:36,000 We don't typically talk about any, especially on Dateline or 48 hours. 405 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,800 They always talk about the victim in such a lovely light, right? 406 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:39,880 This is our protagonist. 407 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,760 We don't want to harm this person. 408 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:42,760 This person's a good person. 409 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,960 Yeah, sorry, that just makes me think of John Mulaney when he's like, you ever go to the 410 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,880 newsstand and you see this photo and it's like beauty slain and you look at the picture 411 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,880 and you're like, beauty? 412 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,720 It's like, how about body found? 413 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:57,720 That's right. 414 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:58,720 So bad. 415 00:19:58,720 --> 00:19:59,720 So mean. 416 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:00,720 So bad. 417 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,000 And of course, I am not talking about any specific case here. 418 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,760 This is just the way that things are written for us to be able to consume. 419 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:08,760 Yeah, for sure. 420 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:09,760 But it's very true. 421 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:14,040 I think the best things about people when they have passed or they are a victim of something, 422 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,480 which of course, I would want people to do about me, of course. 423 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:23,000 But it just, it's easy to gloss over maybe something that that person did to might be 424 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,480 in that situation, of course. 425 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:30,440 And I absolutely do not want to discredit or not discredit, but this isn't every case, 426 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:31,440 of course. 427 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:38,280 We have seen and read stories of predominantly like the sex work community. 428 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:43,320 These people or these women or people were villainized because of what they did and therefore 429 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:44,720 they deserved to be killed. 430 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,120 And we've definitely seen stories like that. 431 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:47,120 For sure. 432 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:48,120 We're not victim blaming at all. 433 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:49,120 No. 434 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:52,400 But it makes sense that you would want to, like you said, protect that person's image 435 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,280 and only talk about the good things that they did when they were here. 436 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,280 Correct. 437 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,880 It just, it makes for a stronger story, even in true crime. 438 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:05,160 The antagonist or the perpetrator who is looked at under a microscope and judged without 439 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,440 merit, regardless of the impending crime, is wrong from the conception of the story. 440 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:14,320 So from the very beginning, this person is troubled, this person had a bad life, you 441 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:20,800 know, this is the antagonist and one day they will meet and then something terrible happens. 442 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,880 It's written the same way every time almost. 443 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,800 Which I think is the unfortunate part about some podcasts and I'm not saying that everybody 444 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,880 has to do the same angle that we have. 445 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,560 I get that's what sets us apart from other people. 446 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:36,560 But like I've said before, like they gloss over problems like that because they only 447 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:42,000 want to see this person as a piece of shit, someone that did this heinous crime, but you're 448 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,600 not looking at the childhood and the trauma and abuse they went through. 449 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,120 Again, not excusing what they did. 450 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:53,320 Of course, they don't deserve to be a free person if they've done something like that. 451 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,200 But when you just look at the crime and you don't look at what caused it, yeah, it's 452 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,520 easy to really hate that person. 453 00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:59,520 Exactly. 454 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:00,520 And it becomes very... 455 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,160 It becomes very black and white. 456 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,160 Exactly. 457 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:08,160 And I think that you and I do a really good job of shedding light on the people that are 458 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,160 the perpetrator's children. 459 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,720 Again, without excusing what they did. 460 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,400 Making it people aware of what they went through. 461 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,080 And almost like, I mean, there's been cases where I'm like, yeah, I kind of feel bad for 462 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,240 that person, you know, even though they were the perpetrator, kind of in bad form, you 463 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,240 know, in certain instances. 464 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,680 And that's exactly what we're talking about right now when we're talking about what keeps 465 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,960 true crime interesting and it is about the knowledge. 466 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,120 It is about learning more. 467 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:34,400 And if you can learn more about someone's mental state or your own mental state, you 468 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,640 know, that in itself is part of that caution, right? 469 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:39,640 Yep. 470 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,280 So eventually the side characters influence the two main characters, which can be family, 471 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,880 friends, and the legal system. 472 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,840 We've become invested in these characters as there is a climax to the story. 473 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,040 And after all, we do need to see the final outcome, guilty or not. 474 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,120 All is written in a format that is digestible for the consumer. 475 00:22:56,120 --> 00:23:00,240 Furthermore, when it comes to true crime, we can walk away from the content and feel better 476 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,280 about the knowledge that we've gained, applying it into our own lives and knowing one less 477 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,320 criminal is not walking amongst us. 478 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,200 Yeah, definitely. 479 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,320 One major difference between consuming horror content versus true crime content is that 480 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,840 women tend to enjoy true crime more than men. 481 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:16,840 Why do you think that is? 482 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,320 Well, I'm sure you're going to tell me and I already know. 483 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,320 Some psychologists theorize that the reason for this is that women are statistically more 484 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,440 likely to experience a violent crime. 485 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,760 So they need to prepare themselves or they feel the need to prepare themselves. 486 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:31,760 Absolutely. 487 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,080 That by consuming the true crime media, we are better preparing ourselves to recognize 488 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,760 perceived threats. 489 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,920 Furthermore, women who have experienced violence in their lives previously will seek out other 490 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:47,320 victim stories in order to identify, understand, and even heal their trauma through being exposed 491 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,320 to other victim stories. 492 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:54,440 Overall, true crime can help us compartmentalize our fears and organize them in a way that 493 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,440 makes sense to us. 494 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:56,440 Isn't that interesting? 495 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,320 Yeah, I've gotten to the point now where I mean, I don't think I ever, you and I have 496 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,440 talked about this before where like you research a case and then it sticks with you, like you 497 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,080 have dreams about it, you think about it for like the next couple of weeks. 498 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:14,520 I think, again, not that I don't enjoy educating people on certain cases and not that I don't 499 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:20,560 enjoy researching and learning more for myself, but I've always treated the research of my 500 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,400 cases like just like a job. 501 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,760 You know, and it's so funny because I'm such an empathetic person and I do get emotionally 502 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,120 attached very often, but there's not really a lot of times where I'm reading a case and 503 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,840 I'm like emotionally distraught. 504 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,440 I'm just like, okay, this is just researching. 505 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:37,880 You know, just kind of like blink it out. 506 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,240 I don't know how I do that. 507 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,480 I can't even watch fucking Insidious. 508 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,080 You can't watch Insidious. 509 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,640 But that's you, like we said, you dissociate from that. 510 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:46,640 Yeah, exactly. 511 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,480 You dissociate from it. 512 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:55,560 And that's your, even though it's real, it's real crimes that happen to real people. 513 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,680 It's not a horror film that was brought on by like a million dollar budget or a few million 514 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:05,760 dollar budgets, but it's like that's just interesting to me that you're like, you're 515 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,960 kind of the opposite. 516 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:14,360 Because I definitely feel like it is hard for me to detach myself when I do my research 517 00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:18,520 because, and you know me, and I've said it on the podcast before, but if we have new 518 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:25,240 listeners, I listen to audio tapes, like actual interviews. 519 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,880 I listen to the interrogations and I listen to the perpetrator's voice. 520 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:34,600 I listen to the victim's voices and that to me, hearing that, and because I'm just 521 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:39,560 a visual person, I guess, that it puts me in the mindset of this person's life and it's 522 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,360 easier for me to write that way. 523 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:42,360 Yeah. 524 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:43,360 And so- 525 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,000 I don't listen, I don't watch documentaries. 526 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,240 If a documentary is the only thing available and there's not a lot online, of course I'll 527 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,240 watch it. 528 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,520 I just do strictly like internet research. 529 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,360 I don't watch, I don't watch. 530 00:25:54,360 --> 00:26:00,120 I listen to that person's like right now I'm on, I've said it before, CourtTV.com, listening 531 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:01,120 to old cases. 532 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:05,440 I was listening to the Menendez case just last week and listening to them on the stand. 533 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,680 I mean this is like six to seven hours over the course of a few days. 534 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,880 Everybody was obsessed with Johnny and Amber. 535 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:13,880 It was like that. 536 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,200 Every day you came home and you watched the trial and that's the way that it is with me, 537 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,600 but I'm writing about it as I'm listening to them because it just puts me in a certain 538 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,880 headspace that I need to be in. 539 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,320 See, I feel like I get too distracted. 540 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,680 I would just watch the documentary and not write anything down. 541 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:29,680 Yeah. 542 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,720 I would just wait, hold on, whatever happened this whole like last week. 543 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,520 No, I'll do that and I'll be like oh my gosh, that's like an interesting little fact. 544 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,080 Let me back that up and do it. 545 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,000 Although I will say I was doing research yesterday for my next case and I had to close my laptop 546 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,520 at one point because I got so nauseous. 547 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,520 Oh really? 548 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:43,520 Yeah, it was bad. 549 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,520 Oh my gosh. 550 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,040 I was like okay, I'm gonna turn it in for the night. 551 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,040 Yeah. 552 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,040 I'm not gonna do that. 553 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,040 Yeah. 554 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,960 So consuming true crime media is not always the healthiest choice. 555 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,800 One of the more concerning effects over the consuming of true crime is that we can create 556 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,640 prejudice around certain groups of people, especially when the story contains minority 557 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,640 characters. 558 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:10,760 Although this prejudice can be related to any race, gender, or identity of course. 559 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,880 Prejudice gained over exposure to true crime media can creep into the legal system and 560 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,880 create unfair biases and juries. 561 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,120 Some may even consider themselves as experts in the science of crime scenes, almost like 562 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:26,160 backseat forensics, which is hilarious. 563 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,360 Most often forensics and criminal trials can be confusing and conflicting, so it's 564 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:33,960 very important that a juror listen to all of the evidence presented in order to make 565 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:39,000 a sound verdict and not use your memory from that one trial that you saw in that one case 566 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,000 from 48 hours. 567 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,000 Yeah. 568 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,200 Oh this is so similar. 569 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,920 Each case can be completely different. 570 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,040 Absolutely. 571 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,440 We also need to consider that while true crime is entertaining, it also has a tendency to 572 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:55,160 sensationalize, glorify, and even sexualize perpetrators of crimes. 573 00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:01,640 Ted Bundy became notorious, not just for the 36 or more suspected murder and rape victims 574 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:07,080 of his, but for being an above average hottie, especially when Zac Efron played him in the 575 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:13,680 Netflix series Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil, and Vile. 576 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,680 The internet blew up with pictures of Ted Bundy with hearts around his portrait, with 577 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:24,240 one user even posting quote, I know he's a murderer, but can we say Ted Bundy is hot? 578 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,240 Right? 579 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,840 I mean, Efron is gonna play him. 580 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,160 I feel like that's okay, end quote. 581 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,080 Yeah, that's totally fine. 582 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,080 You do you. 583 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,000 Go stand outside the prison with your wig. 584 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,000 With your wig. 585 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,960 What is that, Karen from Mean Girls? 586 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,320 Like then you have your cousins, and then you have your first cousins, and then you have 587 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,520 your second cousins. 588 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,520 Right? 589 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,200 No, honey, that's so not right. 590 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:54,840 But we somewhere along the way forget that this murderer violated a woman so brutally 591 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,800 with a metal rod, it caused her internal organs to burst. 592 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,960 Yeah, that's disgusting. 593 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:01,960 It's awful. 594 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:02,960 But he's hot. 595 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:03,960 But he's hot. 596 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:04,960 Zac Efron played him. 597 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,400 First of all, he's not even hot because he's a fucking murderer. 598 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,560 Yeah, he's just a murderer. 599 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,520 They had even people writing Jeffrey Dahmer, even though Jeffrey Dahmer was an openly gay 600 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,720 man, there was women writing to him. 601 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,760 But speaking of that, I looked up, not looked up, but I saw recently, like Evan Peters went 602 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,040 through like some shit after he played him in that series. 603 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,080 Like he started to like mentally decline. 604 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,080 He was me. 605 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,080 He was me. 606 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,560 Yeah, well no, I mean he researched too hard. 607 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,240 He had to like almost like a Heath Ledger and like the Joker or not Joker, what I'm thinking 608 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,240 of. 609 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,240 Yeah, yeah, the Joker. 610 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,000 Yeah, like a lot of character or actors I get so far into their character. 611 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,000 Exactly. 612 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,680 And he was like, I kind of lost it there for a little bit. 613 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,760 Jim Carrey and Andy Kaufman, did you ever see that documentary? 614 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,760 You would like that. 615 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,760 I've seen it before. 616 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:49,760 Jim and Andy. 617 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:50,760 Oh my gosh. 618 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,080 And he was, he was Andy Kaufman. 619 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:57,520 I forget what article I read recently, but there was a celebrity that felt really robbed 620 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:04,440 because they were going to go see Jim Carrey on set and they didn't meet Jim Carrey, they 621 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,640 met Andy Kaufman and it was their only time ever being exposed to Jim Carrey and they 622 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,480 said that they were pretty pissed off about it. 623 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,480 Yeah, I would be too. 624 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,640 It's really scary, like, I mean that happens, you know. 625 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,640 You just lose yourself. 626 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,640 You do. 627 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,680 You better lose yourself in the music the moment you own it. 628 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,760 Hybristophilia, which is a paraphilic disorder. 629 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,760 We talked about this on the lady episode that I did. 630 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:28,760 Yes. 631 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,720 So what they have is going to piggyback off that, that it's a paraphilic disorder where 632 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,120 one is interested or sexually aroused by someone who commits crime and it is often seen 633 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:41,080 as the culprit in cases like this with people being obsessed with bunny. 634 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,400 And yes, Lady of the Scaring Us did a whole episode on that, so check that out. 635 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:49,320 Yeah, I was actually, yeah, I was a guest host on Lady of the Scaring Us for that episode. 636 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,760 I talked about it already, but when Hillary asked me, do you know what Hybristophilia 637 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:54,760 is? 638 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,160 I said no, I knew what it was, I knew that word but I couldn't put them together and 639 00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,160 I was like, oh, I feel silly. 640 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,640 I was like, okay, well I knew what that was, but yes, it's just, it's wild. 641 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,840 This attraction is somewhat understood when this is the very nature of true crime and 642 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,600 horror in general, dating back to even Dracula, which was previously mentioned, that it bordered 643 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,960 this kind of sexual thing, the perpetrator in sex. 644 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,600 We have the pillars that indicate we remove ourselves from the brutality of crimes, perpetrators 645 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,880 like Bundy commit because let's face it. 646 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,600 We likely and hopefully will not experience the horrific circumstances that these women 647 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,440 went through and therefore we can detach. 648 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,120 We are likely physically safe watching these horrors from the comfort of our bed or a couch 649 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,120 at home. 650 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,640 And if you're in control of the content, you can easily turn off the television or turn 651 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,480 your head or fast forward. 652 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,720 Again, overexposure to true crime isn't always the healthiest choice. 653 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,400 Oversaturation may result in becoming increasingly paranoid, checking to see if your doors are 654 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,920 locked multiple times in the night. 655 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:52,920 Who does that? 656 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,920 Kenner. 657 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:59,000 Not being able to sleep and being overly weary of others, much to the point to where 658 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,200 people start isolating themselves. 659 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,320 So be vigilant if you're like us and true crime becomes your life, take a break every 660 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,320 once in a while, watch something else, also known as palette cleansers like puppy videos 661 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,920 or kitten videos. 662 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:18,960 Take a walk and spend some time with close friends and integrate back into society a 663 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,960 bridge troll. 664 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:20,960 That's it. 665 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:21,960 That was good. 666 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:22,960 I like that. 667 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:32,080 I was just going to say, just adding on to what you were just saying about, you know, 668 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:37,160 people becoming hyper-aware and, you know, yes, it's likely that it will not happen to 669 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,240 us, but you never know. 670 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,800 Every day is going to be different. 671 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,480 You never know what's going to happen. 672 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:50,440 That's why we try to be as extra sincere and very sensitive as we can when we do bring 673 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,480 topics like true crime cases and especially when it comes to the victims. 674 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,640 We always want to make sure that we are advocating for the victims, obviously advocating for 675 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,680 mental health awareness. 676 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:07,120 Not victim blaming everything like that because you don't know who is somebody that has experienced 677 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,760 something like that or maybe they have a close friend of theirs or something. 678 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:10,760 So true. 679 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,560 So just a reminder to always be aware of your surroundings, aware of what you're saying 680 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,160 and how it can affect other people. 681 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,160 Of course. 682 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:25,080 I think that I wouldn't say that a lot of the stuff that we carried or covered today 683 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,240 is self-explanatory. 684 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,200 I definitely don't want people to feel that way that it's like, you know, we can get back 685 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:37,360 to the basics and talk about why people are interested in true crime and not just talk 686 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,160 about true crime and not know why we're doing this or have any purpose or any of that other 687 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,160 stuff. 688 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,720 So again, what might seem like self-explanatory probably kind of isn't to a lot of people 689 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,880 and they don't understand why they enjoy that stuff and maybe feel even a little guilty 690 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,080 that they enjoy that stuff. 691 00:33:54,080 --> 00:34:02,120 All of it is a very real thing that was integrated into our brains a long time ago and it is 692 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,880 part of our evolutionary process as a society as well. 693 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,640 These things are talked about so that people are aware. 694 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:09,640 Exactly. 695 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,640 And that's, I mean, one of our main goals we say it all the time is to educate, you 696 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:13,640 know. 697 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,680 And if you learn one thing on our podcast and we're doing our job, we definitely want to 698 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:22,400 be that outlet of people that can not only enjoy the true crime aspect of everything 699 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,120 and enjoy just hanging out with us, you know, because we're funny and we're hilarious and 700 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,520 we're friends, but also educating yourself as well. 701 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,520 You know. 702 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,520 Exactly. 703 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,240 I do just want to say one more thing before we go unless you have anything else. 704 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:35,880 Yeah, after you. 705 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,880 Oh, okay, sure. 706 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,880 Yeah, we had another review and writing on Apple Podcast. 707 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,640 I saw it today, which is really nice. 708 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:47,000 So someone by the name of Sam said, really good as the subject, not only are these ladies 709 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,840 smart and the podcast is well researched with honest empathy, they are hilarious. 710 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,560 I find myself laughing a lot. 711 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:53,560 Thanks Sam. 712 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,240 Thanks Sam, we really appreciate it. 713 00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:59,880 We try really hard to not take ourselves so seriously, but also, of course, the content 714 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:00,880 is serious. 715 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,480 So we need to kind of get like a little leveled out with the seriousness and the humor, but 716 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,560 I'm glad that it's a good little mix for you. 717 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,560 Yeah. 718 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,560 And thanks for the review. 719 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:11,560 It helps us. 720 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:12,560 Yes, absolutely. 721 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,080 The only thing I have left to say is heat, eat and bon appetit. 722 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,080 If I don't see you. 723 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,080 And if I don't see you. 724 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,080 Good evening, good night. 725 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,080 All right. 726 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,080 I think that's it. 727 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,080 See you guys next time. 728 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,080 Love you. 729 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,080 Love you. 730 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,080 Bye. 731 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:32,280 When I think about the latest trends, I think Spencer's. 732 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:37,360 Spencer's has been a mall must visit since its first store opened in 1963. 733 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,640 From 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