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Wait, who starts it?
Hello!
I thought you were gonna do it with me, that's why I waited.
Oh, that'd be funny.
How's it going everybody? My name is Kena, welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer!
I'm Ka'well, this is the recap of this episode, so we're already being a little silly.
It's different, it's different, it's a different vibe, it's a different feeling.
It definitely is, it kind of feels like a mixture between a regular Thursday case and a day-to-day life.
Oh yeah, I could see that.
Cause we're gonna be like much more cash, like not everything that we're gonna talk about is necessarily scripted, but we also have written some notes as well for the episode.
Yeah, it feels like a field trip day.
Yeah, yeah.
Do you want to explain to everyone what we're doing today?
Sure, we are going to be recapping any updates that have developed since the last time we covered our cases.
So all the way back from 2021.
Yes.
And if any of these cases have an update, we will bring them to you. If we don't talk about certain people, it's because there's no updates, because let's face it, H.H. Holmes, I mean.
Yeah, and some of the emergencies.
Right, exactly. So I actually went down H.H. Holmes' ancestry line, and I found a lot of really interesting stuff.
But I was like, I'm not gonna mention the family members, they probably just want to live in peace.
They probably just want to live their damn lives.
It was like his great-great-granddaughters.
Wow. That's wild.
Yeah, so we're definitely just going to be going through some of our maybe like most memorable moments from the show.
We're going to be talking about, like she said, any recap. Like she said, like H.H. Holmes said, any recap.
And then yeah, just kind of hang out and start off the year with the recap case.
Yeah.
Okay.
Do you want to go first or do you want me to go first?
I do have to go first because I have the first case.
That's so true.
And my first, well, I did Kristen Gilbert, which was what, episode three?
Two.
And then I went ahead and researched it again.
And then we've re-recorded Dana.
So there's some people that have been with us since the beginning and Dana and kind of originally started the show.
And then Dana, life just hit her.
She met Alex, right?
Yes.
She's now engaged too.
She had a lot going on in her life.
Yeah.
She's like, girl, I'm sorry, but like, I don't know.
Ain't nobody got time for this.
Yeah, I was like, I don't blame you, girl.
You're fine.
Yeah.
So we came on and then we did Kristen Gilbert.
And then, so Scott Peterson would have been my first case that I picked and researched, which was episode four.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
But you're going to start with who?
Andre Thomas, of course, our number one episode, most listened to episode.
Thank you guys.
That episode almost has a thousand listens.
Oh, really?
So thank you guys for doing that, which makes sense.
This is our first episode.
Whenever I listen to a new podcast, I always start with the first episode because I'm like,
if I do like the information and the content and the people, I want to like grow with them.
You know, I want to know how they did in the beginning to how they are now.
I will say, I think that our style has kind of changed a little bit.
I'm definitely chilled out and not talking so fast anymore.
Yeah.
But our sound quality has always been top tip top tip top.
Yeah.
It's the closet.
It's totally the closet.
We're still in the same closet.
I don't know what we're going to do when we like have an actual studio.
Yeah.
It's going to be so weird.
It is going to be weird, but hopefully we can keep the same sound quality that you guys
have praised us so much about.
I totally agree.
I definitely feel like at the beginning I was really nervous.
I feel like maybe we did cuss a lot because we were so nervous.
So nervous.
And so after a while, the pacing has changed.
The writing's kind of changed.
I love that we do a content warning at the beginning of every episode instead of, you
know, every time something happens because let's face it, this is a true crime podcast.
You're going to hear it every five seconds.
So yeah.
I remember.
I was like, sorry, one episode I had said it like eight times.
I was like, okay.
And then I know I said content warning already, but like content warning for this next part.
Okay.
And the content word for this next part.
And then that's really bad.
And then one of my friends was like, dude, that like you can't be doing that.
You can't say content warning every two seconds.
I love a blanket statement.
Yeah.
Exactly.
It definitely interrupts the story when you have to stop it every couple of minutes.
And hey, we learned about that.
We did something that we learned and we didn't really think about, you know, beforehand.
And took some of that criticism and turned it into a positive thing.
For sure.
Yeah.
Especially like, you know, we're still cuss, but we definitely don't cuss as much because
we don't need it.
We're more confident now.
We don't need as filler.
For sure.
So believe it or not, after two and some change years, you and I have never discussed how
you came up with the name diagnosing a killer.
Really?
After two and what?
Two and four months.
Yeah.
Wow.
I don't know that.
No.
I just assumed, because I mean, I hear it and I'm thinking diagnosing a killer, right?
Yeah.
I mean, it sounds, I feel like it's all in the title.
Yeah.
For sure.
I mean, I remember when I first came up with the concept of hosting a podcast, right?
It was after COVID, I had listened to, I had binge listened to this one podcast that I was
obsessed with, True Crime.
I would take walks in the neighborhood.
I would listen to it.
And then once I started working again, I couldn't stop thinking about it.
And I was still listening to them.
I'm like, I want to do this.
I want to do this.
And I think I've said it before, if you guys have been with us since the beginning, you
know that I've probably said it before, people, I overheard on podcast saying, oh, well, he
was diagnosed with schizophrenia, but he was still a piece of shit.
You know, like they say things like that.
I'm like, well, no, you're glossing over like the reason or like the potential thing that
caused the crime.
Right.
And so I was like, I want to do a true crime podcast.
And I don't know if the listeners know, but mom and I actually started our own podcast
before Diagonist Killa and it was a podcast about beer and we did it for a little bit
and then it just didn't work out.
But I was excited about hosting a podcast.
It was a cute concept.
I remember y'all talking about wanting to go to different breweries and do interviews
with breweries locally.
And that sounds fun.
Yeah.
We would taste some beers on, you know, on the podcast and talk about that.
It just didn't end up working out.
Either way, I was like, I still wanted to host a podcast.
So I was thinking about what's going to set us apart from all the people that are doing
True Crime, right?
Yeah.
So many True Crime podcasts out there.
And I was like, I'm going to make us different.
And I was like, oh, duh.
Hello, psychology.
Because I was actually in my undergrad at that time.
So I was like, oh my gosh.
And I was getting close to graduating.
And so I was like, okay, okay, psychology, murder, mystery murder.
I was just going back and forth.
And I didn't really, I wrote down like a couple of different things.
I was actually working as a server at the time and I had my server book and I was waiting
for my tables to show up and I was making, I was writing down different like names and
I was like scratching them out, you know, like Charlie Day like board.
Yeah.
And anyway, I don't know, I just wrote it down and I didn't really think about it.
And I put it in my pocket and I kept walking around with the end of the shift.
I saw it again and I was like, that just makes sense.
Like diagnosing a killer.
But it's funny because it makes so much sense to us and our listeners.
But we noticed a lot when we went to the con in August, a lot of people came up to our
booth and they were like, so what do you guys talk about?
And I was like, oh, I guess it's not that apparent to some people, you know, what diagnosing
means or whatever.
I think what really got their attention was the DSM-5.
Yeah.
They saw the DSM-5 sitting there and they go, oh, psychology.
Yeah, exactly.
Even so, some people don't know much about psychology, right?
They just want to listen to true crime and that's totally fine.
It's not everyone's thing, but they don't know what the DSM is, right?
And so I'm glad that we had that to show them like this is what it is, which is another
reason why when you see us in Denver, we're going to have a synopsis of what our podcast
talks about.
If not our trailer just typed out so that when we're not sitting at the booth, people
can still read and understand what we're going to do.
For sure.
But yeah, that's pretty much it.
It's not like a grand story, but yeah.
That's pretty much it.
Just cave it in my head.
Love it.
Well, I think it's catchy and I feel like people are like, definitely think, oh, what's
that?
Pesky DNA.
That's a pesky DNA.
So, that's a pesky DAK.
That pesky DAK.
Although I will say I've been asked a couple of times and I'll wear my shirt that says
DAK on the front if I'm the fan of Dak Prescott.
And I am, but that's not what it's for.
We came first, didn't we?
Maybe we should put...
No, we came first.
We did.
We started recording in 2021.
He didn't start playing with who?
The Cowboys.
How long has he been playing?
He's been playing for years.
Oh, really?
I would argue like 2018.
Let me look.
Whatever.
This is the first time I'm hearing about him.
I'm looking at him.
We're more famous than... what's his name?
Dak Shepherd?
DAK.
Yeah, he joined the NFL in 2016, which is when he started playing for DAK.
Which is when, yeah, before this was ever a concept.
Yeah.
Hey, Dak, I'm here listening.
Love you.
Anyway, so yeah, that's pretty much all I needed to talk about before we get started
about you.
I think that's it.
Oh, I'm just going to give you our handles real quick.
Catch us anywhere on social media at Dinos and Get Killer, except for X, which used to
be Twitter.
It is at KillerDiagnosis.
Email us.
We have a Patreon, PayPal, Cash App, Venmo, if you feel so inclined.
Probably all at diagnosing a killer, I think.
So yeah.
If you guys want to do like a one-time donation, just shoot over a dollar or two.
Yeah, totally.
Pay for a cup of coffee.
Oh, that'd be nice.
That would be so nice.
Well, definitely before we get started, this obviously goes without saying, but just to
let everyone know this is a recap episode and we will be talking about our episodes
we've already covered.
If you haven't listened to any of our episodes before, you might get some spoilers on here
because we're going to kind of summarize the episode just in case, but we definitely encourage
you to listen to like the deep dive of these episodes that we're talking about, especially
if you haven't already because they're really good.
If I do say so myself.
Yeah.
Okay, ready?
Am I starting?
Yes.
Oh yeah.
Also blanket content warning, of course, because we are going to be recapping.
We're going to be touching on sensitive subjects.
Once again, this is a true crime podcast.
It is rated E for explicit.
If you haven't seen it, it's for explicit, not for everyone.
So yeah, just a blanket content warning on this one.
For sure.
Okay.
So the first person we are going to be talking about, like I said, is Andre Thomas.
He is the first person that I ever researched.
I actually did all of my notes for this handwritten.
Oh, that's so cute.
Is that still in school?
I like to get right my notes of school.
It's so analog.
I was never a computer notes taker in school because I would get too distracted.
So I always had to hand write my notes.
So I actually hand wrote this whole episode.
Then I recorded it not once, not twice, not three times, but four times because the first
time I recorded the audio was all fucked up with Dana.
The second time we were fixing that audio.
Third time, actually maybe three times, is when we re-recorded to make it look like we
started the podcast together.
And a bunch of people that have listened and maybe heard us talk about Dana or saw our
review that sent something about Dana, that probably just made a lot of sense.
They're like, wait a minute, there's a whole other person that was supposed to be here.
So for those of you that do not know, Andre Thomas is severely schizophrenic on the Schizophrenic
Spectrum Disorders from Texas.
He did get sentenced to death row for the murder of his ex-wife, the child that they
shared and her child as well.
His execution was scheduled for April 5th of 2023, but about a month before he was supposed
to be executed, his execution was actually stayed.
This is an update, right?
Update.
That's our update music?
It's the unsolved mysteries update music.
So the reasoning behind the stay of execution was that Andre's lawyers were still trying
to make their case about his mental status.
The Supreme Court now prohibits the execution of people with low intellectual abilities
and has ruled that death row inmates be determined competent before they're executed.
So essentially-
They actually know that they're dying?
Yes.
So essentially, well not know that they're dying, but be cogn- yeah, I guess, aware
of their-
What's happening?
Yeah, exactly.
So technically, I think what this means is that if someone became unstable after they
were arrested and got a diagnosis while on death row, they might not be able to be executed
because they won't be competent at the time of their execution.
I feel like I've heard that in another case where someone was so elderly, they didn't
realize they were- like they had such severe dementia that they essentially never executed
this person.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
That's wild.
Andre's attorney stated about the stay of execution, quote, we are confident that when
we present the evidence of Mr. Thomas' incompetence, the court will agree that executing him would
violate the Constitution.
Guiding this blind, psychotic man to the gurney for execution offends our sense of humanity
and serves no legitimate purpose, end quote.
And if you haven't listened to the episode, Andre Thomas is blind because he pulled both
of his eyeballs out while in prison to separate occasions, which tells you how severely mentally
ill he is.
Prior to the ruling of his stay, more than 100 religious figures had asked Governor Greg
Abbott to stop the execution as well.
Jay Currie Ashmore with the DA's office argued that the faith leaders and others who were
calling for the execution to be off are not fully informed of the case and have not read
any evaluations about Andre's mental state.
He stated, quote, none of these people know anything about the case.
They are just parroting what the defense has told them, end quote.
Yeah, it's like Lisa Montgomery when we covered that case that her horrid abuse her entire
life was never taken into account.
And she's- yeah, on- still on death row- or I'm sorry, no, she was executed last year.
Oh, 2022.
2022, not last year anymore.
Not last year anymore, yeah.
Ashmore also added that he personally reviewed records that indicated that Andre knows about
his execution date or, I'm sorry, knew about it and that he was aware that he is in prison
for killing his ex-wife and their children.
Attorneys had until July 5th to file their motion, July 5th of 2023, asking that Andre's
competency be reviewed before his execution.
And that's the last I could find.
It seems like Andre's legal team is still being allowed to come up with an argument to
withdraw the execution.
Interesting.
And how old is he?
Do you think that this-
Oh, he's in his 40s?
He's not even that old.
He's not even that old?
Let me look.
Yeah, so he's literally 40.
40, yeah.
I'm almost 40.
Yeah, it's really sad.
What a wild case.
So we're gonna start off strong.
I mentioned it earlier, Scott Peterson.
Yeah.
Right?
Scott Peterson has now come forward with what he says is new evidence that will exonerate
him from his life sentences after being convicted of killing his wife Lacey in an unborn child
Connor in 2002.
Yeah, he was like blonde.
Yeah.
Golfing.
Yeah.
Scott has previously claimed that he deserves a retrial on the grounds of juror misconduct,
that one of the jurors during the jury selection lied to the court about being in a domestic
violence relationship according to petition documents.
So essentially they have said, oh yeah, I've participated or I've been in a domestic violence
situation before, likely was picked for the jury selection because of that.
And yeah.
So the judge in this case had ultimately ruled against the request for a retrial in December
of 2022.
Janie Peterson, who has Scott's sister-in-law, has been one of Scott's biggest supporters
and advocates since his conviction.
Janie runs a Scott Peterson appeal website and other various social media accounts documenting
the family's struggles navigating through the slow moving judicial system.
Just recently in July of 2023, Scott has been approved to retain counsel in anticipation
for yet another shot at a retrial.
So they've already said, yes, you can retain counsel.
We're not saying we're going to go through with it, but you can retain counsel, which
is terrifying.
Thanks.
The attorney general will have to respond to the basis of the petition, which includes
one, an appeal of the juror misconduct claim, two, a new evidence claim detailing a confession
that Lacey encountered the men burglarizing the Medina home across the street threatened
to call the police and then was abducted and murdered by them.
So that's what they're saying.
That about like a week or whatever prior to her going missing or murdered, that she had
witnessed this burglarization of the home across the street and then she was the rat.
So they, they took revenge out on her.
Okay.
Three, a claim that a district, the district attorney presented false evidence when they
told the jury that the Medina burglary did not occur on the same day that Lacey went
missing or on the day, I guess.
I thought it was a week before, maybe not.
Four, a claim that the Modesto police department is suppressing evidence about the Medina burglary
that was provided by the lieutenant, a lieutenant, a ponte at the time, a California department
of corrections.
Five, a claim that fetal development science has changed that shows changes that show with
Scott and Lacey's unborn son Connor, he'd actually lived past December 24th, 2002.
So they're saying that he was alive after Lacey's death exonerating Scott for fetal,
like for killing him.
Yeah.
For killing the son.
Yeah.
This is, this is ridiculous.
You know how long the baby can survive outside the mom after the mom's dead?
Right.
Inside or whatever?
Five minutes.
Five minutes probably.
Well, I don't know.
I can't remember how old Connor was.
I feel like he was at 30 weeks maybe, 28, six, a cumulative error claim.
So these are all the things that a attorney general would have to respond to at this
petition.
Hopefully that's not happening.
So far the response for a request for retrial had been postponed to December 1st.
However, I found no article stating anything about this ruling since then.
Janie Peterson passed her bar exam in February 2023 and is able to practice law in the state
of California, which is like great.
Yikes.
And continues to raise awareness for wrongful convictions.
Scott still resides at Mule Creek State Prison and it has been 21 years for this past December
24th since losing Lacey and Connor.
Oh wow.
21 years.
That's crazy.
What's crazy is like I remember it being on television.
Yeah.
Like while it was happening.
It's awful.
The long hair was bad, Scott.
It was bad.
It was already grown out.
That was the worst costume ever.
So that's Scott Peterson.
Sorry I'm fumbling a little bit.
I know that it's just not as scripted as we usually go off of.
Yeah, exactly.
And then it's kind of like a live feel.
Like we said, it's like field trip day.
Yeah.
I'm gonna get some water.
Okay.
I'll put it in pause.
So my next one is Monica Melissa Patterson.
Like the peach.
So for those that haven't listened to the episode, Monica Melissa Patterson is serving
prison without serving life in prison without the possibility parole for the murder of 96
year old Marty Nell.
It is seemingly that she killed him for his money because she had made him sign all over
all his assets to her before.
And she was like caregiving.
She was.
She still claims her innocence to this day.
She attacked all of the evidence that the prosecution brought against her during her
trial and still continues to claim that she didn't have anything to do with Marty's death.
Melissa claims that Marty actually died of a heart attack and not suffocation like it
was ruled.
Melissa has asked for numerous appeals with the innocence project even taking her on as
a client.
What?
Yes.
The innocence project did?
Yes.
Whoa.
However, the innocence project has not made a statement on whether or not they think she's
guilty or innocent.
Oh, I see.
They just said that they're willing to take her on as a potential client.
They'll review the case.
Yes.
You know who else still claims their innocence is Grant Amato.
Yeah.
He still claims that somebody else, some random intruder came in.
Didn't he confess to his brother?
I think he said that he had gotten into a fight or Jason knew.
I feel so bad for Jason.
But yeah, he's like in prison saying that he still didn't do it just because there's
like $100,000 in this thing doesn't mean that he did it.
Jesus.
That's stupid.
So, Melissa, the motion for an appeal was filed in September of 2023, but it seems like
it's still in the waiting period.
Judge Gonzalez stated about the appeal that a hearing is not needed in his opinion and
his recommendation has been sent to the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals.
So he's like, no, this doesn't need to be happening.
Right.
Yeah.
So that's all I have on her.
Interesting.
So Randy Kraft, a.k.a. the scorecard killer, was a killer who operated in the area of Southern
California from 1971 to 1983.
During his time, it is believed that he had at least 60 victims between the ages of 13
and 35.
He was caught red-handed while traveling in a vehicle containing the body of his last
victim and was sentenced to death.
God of God.
So horrible.
So crazy.
Randy Kraft is still awaiting execution in San Quentin State Prison.
He is 78 years old.
According to the Red Bluff Daily News, in March of 2023, California Governor Gavin Newsom
approved a $20 million plan to change San Quentin into a, quote, restorative justice center,
and even changing the name to the San Quentin Rehabilitation Center.
As such, construction has begun and inmates are being relocated to other prisons until
the new plans are complete.
Inmates such as Randy Kraft.
So at this point, essentially, Randy Kraft is like somewhere else, not in San Quentin.
Oh, great.
But like, we don't know where.
Where?
But where?
Newsom also put a stay on all death penalties in the state, and it is unclear when the death
penalty will be placed back in action, if at all.
So he's been there since like 1983.
That's wild.
Imagine that.
But like, death penalty is just like, bye-bye right now.
He's like, oh, great.
So he's missing in action and there's no death penalty.
Great.
Love that.
In November 2023, the LA Times reported that nearly, after nearly 50 years, a John Doe
presumed to be a victim of Randi's has now been identified.
Right?
This is just in November, like two months ago.
Michael Ray Schlitt was 17 years old in 1974 when he was found dead along a road in Laguna
Beach.
Michael was an Iowa native and his sister said that at the time she last saw him, he
left for California in April of 1974.
Within months, the teen would be dead.
Investigators had not known at the time that they had a serial killer on the loose who
would purposely poison his victims with a valium-like prescription medication in order
to render them helpless.
So when Michael's body was found, toxicology reports led investigators to believe that
his death was caused by an accidental overdose.
It wasn't until police began connecting Kraft's MO to multiple deaths that Michael, or John
Doe at the time, was considered a victim of Kraft's.
Michael went 49 years of buried in an unmarked grave until finally police were able to track
down his family, giving them the closure that they finally deserved.
Oh my god, imagine that!
I know, 49 years!
That's crazy.
I think his sister was the only one that was still alive.
I think that his parents had passed.
Oh yeah, that makes sense.
That's crazy, right?
That's awful.
Your turn.
Oh, thanks.
Okay, my next one is Clara Suarez-Harris.
Mm-hmm.
Clara Clara.
She went to prison in a while ago, I don't know what the date, for killing her ex-husband
and running him over, by running him over with her 17-year-old stepdaughter in the car.
Oh, that's right!
So she found him cheating at a hotel, she tracked him into the parking lot, this guy
was trying to get the mistress to her car, and Clara jetted the car towards him and
backed over him three different times and killed him.
There's a video of it, right?
Yeah.
It's like in the 90s or 2000s.
So across the street.
Well, unbeknownst to her, I'm pretty sure the husband had PIs on her because they were
trying to catch her on something.
I'm sorry, she had PIs on her husband because she was trying to catch her cheating, but
the PIs were the ones that caught the video.
So it's her own PIs that caught her killing him.
It's not funny.
Dummy.
Anyway, so Clara was released in 2018 following a prison sentence.
Following her release, Clara was on parole for a number of years, but as of February
of 2023, she is no longer on parole and she is just completely freaked.
Really?
Yeah.
No longer on parole, completely served her sentence and her parole.
Well, so I guess her sentence was like at least 15 years, right?
She's just chilling.
I don't know.
I don't remember what she was.
Well, she was released in 2018, then she probably was.
Yeah, she probably was for five years.
Yeah.
But yeah.
That's all I have on her.
I hope she's doing well, I guess.
I guess.
You know who I really wanted to update or I wish there was kind of more of an update
was Carla Homulka, which was a Patreon episode of Ken and Barbie Killers and Paul Bernardo,
who is also the Scarborough rapist, and she's married and has kids and lives in Ontario,
I think, or something.
She may or may not have changed her name, but there wasn't.
I mean, I guess she's just quiet.
Yeah.
You know?
Better than doing the alternative.
The alternative.
Yeah.
So, my next case that I have an update on is going to be Todd Colhap.
Oh, God.
He's so ugly.
He's disgusting.
Todd Colhap got away with a mass shooting, killing four employees of a motorcycle shop
in 2003.
He would then go on to shoot and kill Johnny and Megan Coxie, burying the couple on his
own property.
He too would be caught red-handed when he shot another man, Charles Carver, burying
him on his property as well, and ultimately keeping his partner, Kayla Brown, captive
in a shipping container on his property.
I can't remember this now.
Ugh.
Kayla would be found alive after being held for over a month.
Colhap had also been convicted of the previous murders, and he had actually been previously
convicted of rape when he was just 15 years old and was, as such, a convicted sex offender.
On his release conditions, it stated that he could not own firearms as a felon.
However, throughout the years, Colhap was actually supplied guns by a man by the name
of Dustin Lawson.
Lawson knew that Colhap was a convicted felon and could not legally own firearms, but this
did not stop Lawson from regularly buying guns from the sports store academy and then
selling them to Colhap.
Yeah, stand up dude, right?
By the time Kayla Brown was found on Colhap's property, Todd Colhap had collected an arsenal
of weapons.
And after Colhap was found guilty on murder charges, Dustin Lawson was also brought to
justice for supplying Colhap with firearms and sentenced to eight years and three months
in prison, his release date being November of this year, 2024.
Academy ultimately settled a civil lawsuit with a coxie and carver of states, splitting
$2.5 million in a settlement.
Kayla Brown would also eventually receive $6.3 million in damages from Colhap's estate
after his belongings and property went to auction.
So yeah.
Good for her.
So there was another perpetrator and all that.
That was Dustin Lawson.
For supplying all those weapons.
I don't know if academy should be held liable though.
I mean like they didn't know.
I kind of agree with that, but I think it was maybe the amount that he was selling, like
they were selling to him.
Like the weight of what he was buying.
Yeah.
There was no red flag for being like, okay this guy is continuously in here buying stuff.
That's true.
Yeah.
My next one is Alexander Lewis Ranwell.
Ranwell.
Alexander was sent to prison at the age of 28 for killing three elderly men in the year
of 2019.
Well, that's when he was sent to prison.
So in June of 2023, the judge who oversaw Alexander's original trial, Mrs. Justice May,
made a hospital order for Alexander.
Justice May stated that Alexander should be cared for in a hospital with a quote, restriction
order and would not be quote, allowed into the community until the agencies were absolutely
content that it was safe for him to be released.
So instead of prison, institution.
Yeah.
Lawyers told appeal judges that Alexander has been ordered to be detained at Broadmoor
Hospital in Crawthorne under the, I'm sorry, Crawthorne, Berkshire under the terms of mental
health legislation.
The leader of the legal counsel team, Andrew Warnock, took appeal judges, excuse me, told
appeal judges that Alexander had brought proceedings quote, at common law and quote, and that the
organizations that pushed back on the suggestion that Alexander be sent to a hospital need to
compensate him.
So that's really cool.
Yeah.
He was a, wasn't he the one that was kind of like very similar to Andre where he went,
he bounced from place to place kind of right?
Yes.
He was on this different spectrum as well.
The lawyer also stated that the compensation should come for the quote consequences of
the killing and quote on the grounds that they had been quote negligent in their treatment
of him and quote.
Mr. Warnock also told appeal judges that the litigation raised an issue of quote wider
public importance and quote adding quote, it raises an important question of whether
those who have killed others but are not guilty by reason of insanity may sue mental
health authorities for the consequences of the killings by reason of deficiencies in
the care they received and quote.
So the families consume?
Well I think that I'm thinking like the families and the person.
Yeah, the perpetrator because it's like you didn't give me the help that I needed when
I asked for it.
And this is what happened as a result.
And not to say that like you can go and ask for it and then be like, well, I'm going to
do whatever I want, you know, but in cases like this, it's very clear that like this
guy needed help and asked for it.
It wasn't properly.
And now his life and the lives of others are ruined.
Exactly.
Yeah, that's all I have for him.
Hmm.
But he's going into a hospital setting instead of prison, which is cool.
Well, it's good.
So according to Variety, there's a new installment of the Jinx.
Really?
There's going to be a part two, the life and deaths of Robert Durst.
So this is hitting max sometime this year in 2024.
Robert Durst's first wife, Kathy McCormick, mysteriously went missing in 1982 and her disappearance
has never been solved, nor has her body ever been found.
Durst would seemingly get away with murder when he was only convicted of tampering with
evidence when he admitted to dismembering his neighbor, Morris Black, in 2004, which
is nuts.
He went through like the whole trial and they're like, just tampering with evidence.
Yeah, he's the lady.
He's the lady.
But after the HBO docuseries, the Jinx aired in 2015, the wheels were set in motion to
further investigate and ultimately convict Durst of the murder of his friend and mob princess,
Susan Berman, who was found dead in her LA home in 2000.
By the time of our episode in January 2022, Robert Durst had passed away after a lengthy
struggle of contracting, after contracting COVID-19.
Oh yeah, I remember that.
I was like, I hope you got COVID in his butt hole.
Oh my God.
You know what's funny is that that episode aired on Cameron's birthday, but he died
on my birthday.
Isn't that weird?
Yeah, that's weird.
But he had died 19 days before, nuts.
So in that same month, which would have been January 2022, a judge approved Kathy's family's
petition for a wrongful death suit against the Durst estate, which was assumed to be
given or gifted to Robert's second life, Deborah Sheraton.
Because of this, all, if any, of Durst's $100 million estate may not be used until either
a settlement or a proceeding can be completed.
So she can't touch that money until they come to an agreement.
Needless to say, the story of Robert Durst and his victims is far from over, and the
jinx part to drop a date has yet to be announced, but we are expecting the sixth episode season
sometime this year.
Dang, that's wild.
That's wild, right?
Like, there's so much more to learn.
Yeah, and unfold.
To unravel.
My next one is super quick.
It's George Amiel Banks.
He was the spree killer who ended the lives of 13 people, including his own children and
random bystanders, the people across the street.
In September of 2022, it marked 40 years since his crimes.
He will actually be 82 this year.
That's all the update I have, but I just wanted to...
Wow.
Yeah.
David Berkowitz, also known as the son of Sam, terrorized the streets of New York City
in the late 1970s.
According to Berkowitz, he was guided to commit his crimes by voices, sometimes ruminating
from the neighbor's dog.
Some theories suggest that he was not alone in committing the six murders and about a
dozen attempted murders.
Berkowitz has yet another parole hearing this year, May of 2024.
However, he has never attended a hearing nor asked for release as he believes that he
deserves to remain in prison.
Berkowitz continues to lend support and fellowship to his fellow inmates preaching the word of
Jesus Christ in an effort to save others, and he is 70 years old.
Dang, 70.
That's crazy.
But I mean, just you think of the son of Sam, that case, David Berkowitz, from the 70s.
Yeah.
And it sounds like it was so long ago, but yet he's still up for parole this year.
Yeah, definitely.
And do you know when and may that's gonna happen?
I think there might be a specific day online.
I wanted to say it was like the 12th, May 12th, 2024.
Okay.
Because I'm thinking if I'm gonna be in town or not, because it's like the same time as
my cruise.
Oh, really?
Like they are on my phone on the cruise trying to find me.
Well, again, he's never been to a hearing.
He doesn't attend them and he doesn't request for release.
So he might even go.
He's probably not even gonna go.
I mean, it's voluntarily.
I mean, if you want to go, you go.
That's just when your date is.
My next one is Dennis Rader, aka BTK.
Aka, yeah.
Aka Sparky Big Time.
Aka The Paneerator.
Oh, no.
I think Sparky Big Time was it.
Was Sparky Big Time?
Yeah, that was Sparky Big Time.
Aka The Asphyxiator, Aka The Witch of the Hangman, Aka The Garot Phantom.
The Garot Phantom.
Thank you for whoever bought that shirt because I love it.
Oh my gosh, it's such a good shirt.
It's terrible, but it's great.
Great.
Thank God I like inhaled some big bro.
It's okay.
I think that's-
That allergies are bad.
Yeah.
I think this goes without saying that what he did, because I don't want to like recap
his whole life because it's gonna take forever.
But in an article from August of 2023, Keri Rossin, BTK's daughter, states that her father,
quote, lost like seven inches and he's in a wheelchair.
He's pretty much rotting like to his core, end quote.
I mean-
Keri had refused to visit her father in jail for a very long time until she finally agreed
in the summer of 2023.
Whoa.
Keri visited her father with her father for nearly three hours, telling him that the
reason for her visit was to assist investigators in determining if BTK was responsible for
other missing people.
Wow, she's like their advocate.
Oh my gosh.
Keri would state about this conversation, quote, it was the first time he ever dropped
his mask and became BTK in front of me.
He didn't even necessarily recognize me, so we had to have a family reunion first, end
quote.
Oh my god, this whole money came.
I know, I know.
Oh my god.
According to Keri, Dennis refused to cooperate with giving any new information even when
he was offered an immunity deal for any new murders.
Keri stated about this, quote, my dad basically said maybe he would like to go out like a
Roman candle, end quote.
He's like, fuck you, like essentially.
Oh my god.
When BTK was told that his home was being combed through once again for any new evidence,
he got very upset.
Keri stated about this, quote, he's very unhappy with what's going on and we're coming up against
a man that's playing lots of games, end quote.
Ew, it's almost like, I mean we always made fun of him in the episode calling him a bumbling
idiot but he's still a killer, you know.
Oh yeah.
Who like to enjoy playing games with people.
Yeah.
Investigators were searching the home for any trophies that may still be there after
coming across evidence of a possible additional victim.
Keri tweeted about the findings actually stating, quote, binding type items found underground
in my old yard where I grew up, not far from where this thing set used to be, end quote.
There's like still evidence buried in the yard.
Unfortunately, there was no new information given from BTK in this meeting.
Keri stating, quote, my father does not want to be put in a van and woken up in Oklahoma
in a holding cell for, you know, the kidnapping of Cynthia Kenny.
He wants to live his life out at the prison that he's at.
So that's one pressing point that he's not going to cooperate.
Then we're going to do this a legit hard way and he's going to wake up some morning
somewhere he doesn't want to be, end quote.
Oh my god.
I know.
So the new evidence that was looked for came from a connection of BTK to the disappearance
of 16 year old Cynthia Dawn Kenny and other potential crimes naming BTK as the prime suspect.
Sheriff Eddie Verdon of Oklahoma announced in September of 2023 that drawings done by
BTK that were recovered during his initial arrest in 2005 suggested possible new victims.
He stated about this quote, I can show you a drawing of an actual murder that matches
the crime scene photo to a T. So when I find large amounts of similar drawings in the same
fashion, that makes you want to make sure that there's no other victims.
Yeah.
And if there's anybody out there that can contradict that, I want them to come forward
because I don't want to waste my time, end quote.
You hear that folks?
Yes.
There's so many information that's still prevalent and can help solve.
And not something else is that people just assume their family member went missing or
whatever and not necessarily that they would be part of these big cases, but there's a
potential.
Yeah, for sure.
But isn't that creepy he's saying that they found all these drawings and they have all
these victims and they can match each victim to this precise drawing, but then there's
these drawings that don't have a victim.
You're like, why would he have these other drawings?
If there were victims.
If there were.
Yeah.
Oh, I mean, that's why he gets paid the big bucks.
Yeah.
A BTK task force was announced in September of 2023 as well.
But as far as I can tell, nothing further has happened yet in the case.
But still, now this is like a BTK in our era.
Yes.
Like, I mean, that's the BTK, but that's interesting.
I know.
Gosh.
True crime is fascinating.
It's very fascinating.
Thanks for being here with us.
Yeah.
So, the two children, Eric and Mnendas, were convicted in 1996 of killing their parents,
Jose and Mary, or Kitty Mnendas, in 1989.
The boys claim that after decades of physical, psychological, and sexual abuse at the hands
of both of their parents, the two felt that their very lives were in danger and ultimately
decided to kill Jose and Kitty when they felt like they had no other choice.
The brothers felt that, given their father being a very influential figure in music,
that they would essentially never be taken seriously by police or others.
Although there were many pieces of incriminating evidence against Jose Mnendas that allegedly
proved that he did molest his own sons, the two were still sentenced to life imprisonment.
Since their sentence, they are both married, and in 2018, the brothers were housed together,
it being the first time that they'd seen each other since their sentencing.
Ugh, that's so sad.
In April of 2023, Roy Rosello, which is a member of the boy band Mnudo, came forward
with allegations that at the age of 14, Jose Mnendas drugged and raped him at the family
New Jersey home.
I did hear about this.
Further evidence has also been recovered within the Mnendas family.
A letter was found by the brothers aunt, revealing that prior to the murders, Eric had sent a
letter to his cousin, seemingly discussing the abuse, and feared that he had endured
silently at the hands of his father in 1988.
The letter had only been recovered after the boy's aunt began going through her son's
belongings, who had passed away, unfortunately, shortly after the boy's trial was over.
So essentially, this letter was in a box, and she never went through her son's items
after he passed away.
I think it was a car accident or something.
And she just now went through this box last year and found this letter.
And it was like six to eight months before the boys killed their parents, that the letter
had stated, you know what dad did to me, you know how he is, like I'm in fear, like all
this stuff.
So this was like, if it was premeditated, it was premeditated for a very long time.
Yeah, for sure.
Oh my gosh.
Given these new discoveries, the brothers have since filed a habeas corpus petition pleading
with the courts for a new trial in order to provide this new evidence to a jury.
And in May of 2023, a peacock exclusive three part docuseries covered the new revelations
in a show called Mnendas and Mnudo Boys Betrayed.
No news of the habeas corpus ruling yet.
I feel like they're on the fast track though, especially in light of this new information.
But I'm going to save that thought for a little bit.
My next person is Anders Brevik.
He is the Norwegian man that went onto that island that had a camp on it and massacred
multiple, multiple children and counselors and people.
It was absolutely awful.
The worst attack that Norway has ever seen.
And in August of 2023, Anders was 41 years old, still serving Norway's longest presence
and sentenced to date.
Oh my gosh.
21 years.
Because they don't like sentenced people to prison.
Yeah, he's the only one in there.
This is still eligible to be extended if the court considers him to still be a threat.
But Anders is actually attempting to sue the state.
Really?
His lawyer stated about this, quote, he's suing the state because he has been in extreme
isolation for 11 years and has no contacts with other people except his guards.
He was moved to a new prison last year and we hoped there would be better conditions
and that he could meet other people, end quote.
Maybe he shouldn't have fucking murdered dozens of people.
I was like, isn't that?
And he wouldn't have to be alone.
That's just standard in the United States.
That's oh, sorry.
Yes.
For our listeners that are not American, yes.
That's very strange to me because I'm like, yeah, he shouldn't have contact with the
fucking other people.
That's essentially what death row is in the United States.
You are isolated.
You don't talk to people.
Yeah.
You get one hour of sunlight a day.
One hour of sunlight a day and a cage by yourself.
I mean, even the roof is caged.
And then you get a meal through a slot in the door.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
If you murdered innocent children and people, you probably should have that life, just saying.
That's very interesting though, the difference between the countries.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Although a Norwegian court rejected his parole application in 2022, Anders's lawyer hopes
that the district court of Oslo will acknowledge the lawsuit sometime this year.
Interesting.
This year, like, 2024.
This year.
Yes.
Anyway, so it seems like he was sentenced.
I don't remember how long his sentence was, but like they keep extending it because they're
like, nope, you're still not safe to be out.
Still not safe to be out.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
No, thank you.
So I wonder how in between his considerations are.
I don't know.
Every few years, I guess.
I don't know.
Susan Smith is eligible for parole in November of this year, 2024.
Her ex-husband and father of her children, whom she murdered in 1994 by rolling the family
vehicle into a lake, as well as his family, are in opposition of her release.
Susan has continued to maintain contact with various men on the outside, which seems to
go along with the theme that Susan was perceived as boy crazy or man crazy at the time of the
murders, and that her motive for the crime of murdering her children was the product
of an affair.
Susan was even caught having sex with two guards at two separate times during her incarceration.
This will be Susan's first parole hearing, and she plans on asking for release.
But it's like, haven't, I mean, Susan, you working on yourself?
Haven't changed, yeah.
Yeah.
There was also talk of her using, like, drugs while she was in there.
She just, yeah, she's still the lawless one.
Can't contain, can't contain this wild horse.
Thinks that she just does whatever.
Yeah.
Be fine.
Is that it?
Yeah.
Okay, my next one is...
Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...Nicholas Godajan!
And I'm sure you guys have heard that name recently because that is the man that helped
Gypsy Rose kill her mother, who actually did the killing.
Right.
So as we know, this is the perpetrator who killed Gypsy Rose Blanchard's mother, and
we have seen her all over the news in the last week.
Nicholas had been working on an appeal for himself, and he was originally sentenced to
life in prison without the possibility of parole.
This latest appeal is actually an appeal of an appeal, in which the first one includes
Nicholas admitting to murdering Dady Blanchard, stating that he chose to use a knife and asked
Gypsy for duct tape to muffle the victim before traveling from his home to hers.
Hmm.
Nicholas had stated about this previous appeal that after getting inside the Blanchard home,
he quote, waited a minute and thought about if he really wanted to do it, end quote.
At the trial, Nicholas's attorneys argued that he had a diminished capacity because
he had Autism Spectrum Disorder, or ASD, and an IQ on the low side of average.
Just immediately after his conviction, Nicholas filed an appeal, arguing that the court had
excluded testimony from a defense psychological expert about ASD, and its impact on his ability
to deliberate at the time of the murder.
In his newest appeal, filed on December 5th, 2023, Nicholas argued that the issue at hand
is not a trial strategy, but instead an effective counsel.
Hmm.
The appeal states, quote, Review of the record leaves a definite and firm impression that
he was denied effective assistance of counsel.
In that trial, counsel failed to act as a reasonably competent attorney under the same
or similar circumstances by failing to fully investigate and present evidence from a qualified
neuropsychologist specializing in Autism Spectrum Disorder to support the diminished capacity
defense.
The claim is not expert shopping, but an unreasonable failure to investigate, end quote.
So this was like, just last month.
This was a couple weeks before Gypsy was released.
Oh, okay.
December 5th.
And she was the 28th?
28th.
Yeah.
And Gypsy was offered a plea agreement from the prosecution for life in prison with the
possibility for what?
First, but that he went to trial because he was hoping for a sentence more closely aligned
with the 10 years that Gypsy was sentenced.
Interesting.
So she was sentenced before him?
Yes.
Yeah.
So he was like, oh, well, she only got 10 years.
So, hmm.
As we all most likely know by now, Gypsy Rose Blanchard was released from prison on December
28th, 2023, and she has gotten increasingly popular on social media with support from millions.
So we're getting too much into this because literally anybody can just Google it right
now and see all of the information.
She has stated that she's extremely grateful for all the support and is happy to be back
home with her dad's side of the family and her husband.
She also said that her husband has that good D.
No, she did not.
I swear, she did.
No, she did not.
She totally did.
Oh my God.
She said something about the D.
By the time this comes out, which will be Thursday the 4th, she's going to be on great
in Good Morning America.
Oh, really?
On Friday, yeah.
That's crazy.
But yeah, that's Nicholas Godajon.
He's working on that appeal and Gypsy is out and living her best life.
I can't believe she said that about her husband.
Yeah, she said that she's getting that good D. And then she also said that she wanted to
go to a cheese game to meet, I told you this, meet Taylor Swift.
And she's so excited to meet Taylor Swift.
And then she was like, go into the cheese game and then her lawyer was like, or her
parole officer was like, no, you can't be, I'm sorry, you gotta be, you see it, I'm sorry.
Yeah, sorry about that.
We'll zoom you in.
We'll zoom call you in.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
I'm sorry, this one TikTok of this girl that was like, yeah, Gypsy was talking about her
husband and getting that good D. She's like, ah, she should.
She's been in prison.
She's like, what would you do?
I was like, honestly.
I'm just excited for her to like, like she had a picture with her sister, her half-sister.
And her dad, her dad, you know, if anybody's ever seen a mommy, mommy, dad and dearest.
It's awful.
That she hadn't seen her dad since she was like four or five.
And she was led to believe that her dad was a piece of shit.
And her dad was led to believe that she was sick and that, I mean, every time her dad
would try to make plans with Didi to go see them, she would cancel last second or she would
say they were busy or something.
And I'm excited that she's in Louisiana now too because that's where she was before
Didi took her, you know.
Yeah.
It's just a really awful story all the way around.
And we covered that story.
So please go listen to it.
Obviously, that's why we're talking about it right now.
But it's under Nicholas Godajon.
If you're trying to search for the Gypsy Ro story, it's labeled Nicholas Godajon.
Because he was the perpetrator.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So, my last one is going to be Mark David Chapman.
Mark David Chapman murdered John Lennon, a member of the Beatles in December of 1980,
outside of his home that he shared with his wife Yoko and his young son Sean.
Wait, John Lennon's dead.
Sorry, I had to.
Oh my God, is John Lennon dead?
John Lennon died.
He died?
John Lennon struggled with symptoms of schizophrenia spectrum disorder from a very young age, the
youngest I think we've seen in a case that we've covered.
He was like five.
And he never successfully sought help for this disorder.
Chapman is still married to his wife Gloria, whom he married in 1978.
Oh wow.
He's still married.
Good for him.
I think they had met in Hawaii, I believe.
And once again, he is a for parole in February of 2024.
This will be his 13th hearing.
He's attended every single one.
Yoko has decided to recently pull away from the public eye in 2021 and Sean has since
become the family representative.
And he is, although been a musician in the past, Sean is currently producing music.
He has an album that he produced that came out in 2023.
Good for him.
Yeah.
Well, that just about does it.
Every other case, like we said, either doesn't have an update, the person is deceased, or
it's too early to have an update because we just covered them within the last couple
months.
But yeah, we wanted to bring this back to you guys.
If you haven't listened to those episodes, maybe entice you to go back and listen.
Yeah.
Because I know we got some listeners, I mean we get listeners every day, but some that
maybe started from the middle or some that just started recently.
Definitely encourage you to go back and listen to those beginning ones because we like for
you guys, we want to be super authentic, of course.
And the only way to do that is for you guys to follow us from the beginning, right?
And go with us.
Oh, for sure.
Definitely super excited for all of the content we have coming out this month.
I think we talked about it and there's going to be like 11 episodes or something this month.
Well, because we're going to have one every Monday, one every Thursday, we hope to have
a DAK live come to you within the next few weeks.
We also have maybe a little bit of a surprise in a week or two, some Patreon, some free
access.
And then we also have a Patreon at the end of the month.
So we have lots to bring you.
And we both start school this month, so you know that we love you.
That's why we're pre-recording every love it.
Well, thank you guys for joining us.
Do you have anything else?
No, I just want to say thank you to all of our listeners that have supported us this
last two and some change.
We love you guys so much.
We are obsessed with you all.
We nonstop talk about the podcast and how much we love you all.
So everyone around us, like the listeners who sees us on a daily basis are like, can
you still talk with the podcast?
We're like, no, never, never, never again.
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We just posted some new merch on the Instagram.
Link is in the link tree in the bio of the Instagram.
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We have, oh my gosh, we did the poll for repurposed shirts.
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There's like one that you have that's like a cutoff.
Yeah.
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For sure.
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We're still working at the details of that, but we'll let you know as soon as we post
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Whatever you want.
Yeah.
So that's a combination of the logos, the sayings on the back, your choice, y'all.
Yeah.
Definitely.
Well, thanks for joining us.
We'll see you guys on Monday with another mental breakdown.
All right.
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