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Wait, who starts it?

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Hello!

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I thought you were gonna do it with me, that's why I waited.

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Oh, that'd be funny.

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How's it going everybody? My name is Kena, welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer!

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I'm Ka'well, this is the recap of this episode, so we're already being a little silly.

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It's different, it's different, it's a different vibe, it's a different feeling.

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It definitely is, it kind of feels like a mixture between a regular Thursday case and a day-to-day life.

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Oh yeah, I could see that.

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Cause we're gonna be like much more cash, like not everything that we're gonna talk about is necessarily scripted, but we also have written some notes as well for the episode.

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Yeah, it feels like a field trip day.

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Do you want to explain to everyone what we're doing today?

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Sure, we are going to be recapping any updates that have developed since the last time we covered our cases.

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So all the way back from 2021.

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Yes.

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And if any of these cases have an update, we will bring them to you. If we don't talk about certain people, it's because there's no updates, because let's face it, H.H. Holmes, I mean.

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Yeah, and some of the emergencies.

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Right, exactly. So I actually went down H.H. Holmes' ancestry line, and I found a lot of really interesting stuff.

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But I was like, I'm not gonna mention the family members, they probably just want to live in peace.

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They probably just want to live their damn lives.

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It was like his great-great-granddaughters.

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Wow. That's wild.

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Yeah, so we're definitely just going to be going through some of our maybe like most memorable moments from the show.

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We're going to be talking about, like she said, any recap. Like she said, like H.H. Holmes said, any recap.

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And then yeah, just kind of hang out and start off the year with the recap case.

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Do you want to go first or do you want me to go first?

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I do have to go first because I have the first case.

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That's so true.

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And my first, well, I did Kristen Gilbert, which was what, episode three?

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And then I went ahead and researched it again.

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And then we've re-recorded Dana.

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So there's some people that have been with us since the beginning and Dana and kind of originally started the show.

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And then Dana, life just hit her.

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She met Alex, right?

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She's now engaged too.

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She had a lot going on in her life.

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She's like, girl, I'm sorry, but like, I don't know.

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Ain't nobody got time for this.

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Yeah, I was like, I don't blame you, girl.

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You're fine.

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So we came on and then we did Kristen Gilbert.

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And then, so Scott Peterson would have been my first case that I picked and researched, which was episode four.

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That's crazy.

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But you're going to start with who?

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Andre Thomas, of course, our number one episode, most listened to episode.

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Thank you guys.

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That episode almost has a thousand listens.

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Oh, really?

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So thank you guys for doing that, which makes sense.

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This is our first episode.

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Whenever I listen to a new podcast, I always start with the first episode because I'm like,

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if I do like the information and the content and the people, I want to like grow with them.

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You know, I want to know how they did in the beginning to how they are now.

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I will say, I think that our style has kind of changed a little bit.

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I'm definitely chilled out and not talking so fast anymore.

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But our sound quality has always been top tip top tip top.

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It's the closet.

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It's totally the closet.

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We're still in the same closet.

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I don't know what we're going to do when we like have an actual studio.

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It's going to be so weird.

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It is going to be weird, but hopefully we can keep the same sound quality that you guys

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have praised us so much about.

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I totally agree.

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I definitely feel like at the beginning I was really nervous.

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I feel like maybe we did cuss a lot because we were so nervous.

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I love that we do a content warning at the beginning of every episode instead of, you

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know, every time something happens because let's face it, this is a true crime podcast.

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You're going to hear it every five seconds.

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I was like, sorry, one episode I had said it like eight times.

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And then I know I said content warning already, but like content warning for this next part.

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And the content word for this next part.

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And then that's really bad.

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And then one of my friends was like, dude, that like you can't be doing that.

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You can't say content warning every two seconds.

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I love a blanket statement.

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It definitely interrupts the story when you have to stop it every couple of minutes.

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And hey, we learned about that.

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We did something that we learned and we didn't really think about, you know, beforehand.

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And took some of that criticism and turned it into a positive thing.

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Especially like, you know, we're still cuss, but we definitely don't cuss as much because

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We're more confident now.

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We don't need as filler.

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For sure.

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So believe it or not, after two and some change years, you and I have never discussed how

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you came up with the name diagnosing a killer.

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Really?

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After two and what?

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Two and four months.

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Wow.

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I don't know that.

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I just assumed, because I mean, I hear it and I'm thinking diagnosing a killer, right?

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I mean, it sounds, I feel like it's all in the title.

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For sure.

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I mean, I remember when I first came up with the concept of hosting a podcast, right?

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It was after COVID, I had listened to, I had binge listened to this one podcast that I was

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obsessed with, True Crime.

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I would take walks in the neighborhood.

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I would listen to it.

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And then once I started working again, I couldn't stop thinking about it.

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And I was still listening to them.

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I'm like, I want to do this.

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I want to do this.

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And I think I've said it before, if you guys have been with us since the beginning, you

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know that I've probably said it before, people, I overheard on podcast saying, oh, well, he

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was diagnosed with schizophrenia, but he was still a piece of shit.

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You know, like they say things like that.

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I'm like, well, no, you're glossing over like the reason or like the potential thing that

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caused the crime.

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And so I was like, I want to do a true crime podcast.

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And I don't know if the listeners know, but mom and I actually started our own podcast

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before Diagonist Killa and it was a podcast about beer and we did it for a little bit

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and then it just didn't work out.

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But I was excited about hosting a podcast.

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It was a cute concept.

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I remember y'all talking about wanting to go to different breweries and do interviews

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with breweries locally.

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And that sounds fun.

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We would taste some beers on, you know, on the podcast and talk about that.

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It just didn't end up working out.

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Either way, I was like, I still wanted to host a podcast.

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So I was thinking about what's going to set us apart from all the people that are doing

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True Crime, right?

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So many True Crime podcasts out there.

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And I was like, I'm going to make us different.

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And I was like, oh, duh.

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Hello, psychology.

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Because I was actually in my undergrad at that time.

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So I was like, oh my gosh.

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And I was getting close to graduating.

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And so I was like, okay, okay, psychology, murder, mystery murder.

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I was just going back and forth.

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And I didn't really, I wrote down like a couple of different things.

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I was actually working as a server at the time and I had my server book and I was waiting

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for my tables to show up and I was making, I was writing down different like names and

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I was like scratching them out, you know, like Charlie Day like board.

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And anyway, I don't know, I just wrote it down and I didn't really think about it.

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And I put it in my pocket and I kept walking around with the end of the shift.

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I saw it again and I was like, that just makes sense.

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Like diagnosing a killer.

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But it's funny because it makes so much sense to us and our listeners.

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But we noticed a lot when we went to the con in August, a lot of people came up to our

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booth and they were like, so what do you guys talk about?

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And I was like, oh, I guess it's not that apparent to some people, you know, what diagnosing

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I think what really got their attention was the DSM-5.

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They saw the DSM-5 sitting there and they go, oh, psychology.

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Even so, some people don't know much about psychology, right?

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They just want to listen to true crime and that's totally fine.

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It's not everyone's thing, but they don't know what the DSM is, right?

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And so I'm glad that we had that to show them like this is what it is, which is another

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reason why when you see us in Denver, we're going to have a synopsis of what our podcast

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If not our trailer just typed out so that when we're not sitting at the booth, people

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can still read and understand what we're going to do.

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But yeah, that's pretty much it.

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It's not like a grand story, but yeah.

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That's pretty much it.

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Just cave it in my head.

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Well, I think it's catchy and I feel like people are like, definitely think, oh, what's

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Pesky DNA.

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That's a pesky DNA.

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So, that's a pesky DAK.

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That pesky DAK.

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Although I will say I've been asked a couple of times and I'll wear my shirt that says

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DAK on the front if I'm the fan of Dak Prescott.

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And I am, but that's not what it's for.

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We came first, didn't we?

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Maybe we should put...

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No, we came first.

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We did.

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We started recording in 2021.

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He didn't start playing with who?

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The Cowboys.

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How long has he been playing?

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He's been playing for years.

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Oh, really?

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I would argue like 2018.

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Let me look.

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Whatever.

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This is the first time I'm hearing about him.

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I'm looking at him.

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We're more famous than... what's his name?

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Dak Shepherd?

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DAK.

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DAK.

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Yeah, he joined the NFL in 2016, which is when he started playing for DAK.

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Which is when, yeah, before this was ever a concept.

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Hey, Dak, I'm here listening.

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Love you.

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Anyway, so yeah, that's pretty much all I needed to talk about before we get started

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about you.

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I think that's it.

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Oh, I'm just going to give you our handles real quick.

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Catch us anywhere on social media at Dinos and Get Killer, except for X, which used to

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be Twitter.

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It is at KillerDiagnosis.

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Email us.

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We have a Patreon, PayPal, Cash App, Venmo, if you feel so inclined.

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Probably all at diagnosing a killer, I think.

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So yeah.

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If you guys want to do like a one-time donation, just shoot over a dollar or two.

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Yeah, totally.

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Pay for a cup of coffee.

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Oh, that'd be nice.

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That would be so nice.

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Well, definitely before we get started, this obviously goes without saying, but just to

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let everyone know this is a recap episode and we will be talking about our episodes

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we've already covered.

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If you haven't listened to any of our episodes before, you might get some spoilers on here

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because we're going to kind of summarize the episode just in case, but we definitely encourage

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you to listen to like the deep dive of these episodes that we're talking about, especially

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if you haven't already because they're really good.

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If I do say so myself.

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Okay, ready?

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Am I starting?

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Oh yeah.

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Also blanket content warning, of course, because we are going to be recapping.

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We're going to be touching on sensitive subjects.

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Once again, this is a true crime podcast.

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It is rated E for explicit.

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If you haven't seen it, it's for explicit, not for everyone.

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So yeah, just a blanket content warning on this one.

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For sure.

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So the first person we are going to be talking about, like I said, is Andre Thomas.

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He is the first person that I ever researched.

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I actually did all of my notes for this handwritten.

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Oh, that's so cute.

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Is that still in school?

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I like to get right my notes of school.

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It's so analog.

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I was never a computer notes taker in school because I would get too distracted.

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So I always had to hand write my notes.

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So I actually hand wrote this whole episode.

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Then I recorded it not once, not twice, not three times, but four times because the first

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time I recorded the audio was all fucked up with Dana.

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The second time we were fixing that audio.

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Third time, actually maybe three times, is when we re-recorded to make it look like we

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started the podcast together.

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And a bunch of people that have listened and maybe heard us talk about Dana or saw our

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review that sent something about Dana, that probably just made a lot of sense.

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They're like, wait a minute, there's a whole other person that was supposed to be here.

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So for those of you that do not know, Andre Thomas is severely schizophrenic on the Schizophrenic

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Spectrum Disorders from Texas.

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He did get sentenced to death row for the murder of his ex-wife, the child that they

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shared and her child as well.

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His execution was scheduled for April 5th of 2023, but about a month before he was supposed

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to be executed, his execution was actually stayed.

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This is an update, right?

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Update.

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That's our update music?

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It's the unsolved mysteries update music.

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So the reasoning behind the stay of execution was that Andre's lawyers were still trying

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to make their case about his mental status.

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The Supreme Court now prohibits the execution of people with low intellectual abilities

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and has ruled that death row inmates be determined competent before they're executed.

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So essentially-

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They actually know that they're dying?

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Yes.

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So essentially, well not know that they're dying, but be cogn- yeah, I guess, aware

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of their-

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What's happening?

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Yeah, exactly.

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So technically, I think what this means is that if someone became unstable after they

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were arrested and got a diagnosis while on death row, they might not be able to be executed

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because they won't be competent at the time of their execution.

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I feel like I've heard that in another case where someone was so elderly, they didn't

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realize they were- like they had such severe dementia that they essentially never executed

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this person.

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Oh my gosh.

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That's wild.

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Andre's attorney stated about the stay of execution, quote, we are confident that when

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we present the evidence of Mr. Thomas' incompetence, the court will agree that executing him would

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violate the Constitution.

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Guiding this blind, psychotic man to the gurney for execution offends our sense of humanity

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and serves no legitimate purpose, end quote.

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And if you haven't listened to the episode, Andre Thomas is blind because he pulled both

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of his eyeballs out while in prison to separate occasions, which tells you how severely mentally

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ill he is.

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Prior to the ruling of his stay, more than 100 religious figures had asked Governor Greg

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Abbott to stop the execution as well.

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Jay Currie Ashmore with the DA's office argued that the faith leaders and others who were

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calling for the execution to be off are not fully informed of the case and have not read

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any evaluations about Andre's mental state.

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He stated, quote, none of these people know anything about the case.

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They are just parroting what the defense has told them, end quote.

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Yeah, it's like Lisa Montgomery when we covered that case that her horrid abuse her entire

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life was never taken into account.

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And she's- yeah, on- still on death row- or I'm sorry, no, she was executed last year.

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Oh, 2022.

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2022, not last year anymore.

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Not last year anymore, yeah.

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Ashmore also added that he personally reviewed records that indicated that Andre knows about

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his execution date or, I'm sorry, knew about it and that he was aware that he is in prison

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for killing his ex-wife and their children.

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Attorneys had until July 5th to file their motion, July 5th of 2023, asking that Andre's

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competency be reviewed before his execution.

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And that's the last I could find.

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It seems like Andre's legal team is still being allowed to come up with an argument to

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withdraw the execution.

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Interesting.

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And how old is he?

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Do you think that this-

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Oh, he's in his 40s?

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He's not even that old.

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He's not even that old?

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Let me look.

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Yeah, so he's literally 40.

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40, yeah.

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I'm almost 40.

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Yeah, it's really sad.

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What a wild case.

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So we're gonna start off strong.

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I mentioned it earlier, Scott Peterson.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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Scott Peterson has now come forward with what he says is new evidence that will exonerate

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him from his life sentences after being convicted of killing his wife Lacey in an unborn child

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Connor in 2002.

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Yeah, he was like blonde.

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Yeah.

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Golfing.

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Yeah.

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Scott has previously claimed that he deserves a retrial on the grounds of juror misconduct,

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that one of the jurors during the jury selection lied to the court about being in a domestic

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violence relationship according to petition documents.

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So essentially they have said, oh yeah, I've participated or I've been in a domestic violence

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situation before, likely was picked for the jury selection because of that.

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And yeah.

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So the judge in this case had ultimately ruled against the request for a retrial in December

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of 2022.

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Janie Peterson, who has Scott's sister-in-law, has been one of Scott's biggest supporters

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and advocates since his conviction.

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Janie runs a Scott Peterson appeal website and other various social media accounts documenting

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the family's struggles navigating through the slow moving judicial system.

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Just recently in July of 2023, Scott has been approved to retain counsel in anticipation

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for yet another shot at a retrial.

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So they've already said, yes, you can retain counsel.

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We're not saying we're going to go through with it, but you can retain counsel, which

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is terrifying.

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Thanks.

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The attorney general will have to respond to the basis of the petition, which includes

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one, an appeal of the juror misconduct claim, two, a new evidence claim detailing a confession

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that Lacey encountered the men burglarizing the Medina home across the street threatened

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to call the police and then was abducted and murdered by them.

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So that's what they're saying.

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That about like a week or whatever prior to her going missing or murdered, that she had

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witnessed this burglarization of the home across the street and then she was the rat.

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So they, they took revenge out on her.

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Okay.

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Three, a claim that a district, the district attorney presented false evidence when they

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told the jury that the Medina burglary did not occur on the same day that Lacey went

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missing or on the day, I guess.

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I thought it was a week before, maybe not.

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Four, a claim that the Modesto police department is suppressing evidence about the Medina burglary

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that was provided by the lieutenant, a lieutenant, a ponte at the time, a California department

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of corrections.

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Five, a claim that fetal development science has changed that shows changes that show with

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Scott and Lacey's unborn son Connor, he'd actually lived past December 24th, 2002.

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So they're saying that he was alive after Lacey's death exonerating Scott for fetal,

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like for killing him.

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Yeah.

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For killing the son.

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Yeah.

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This is, this is ridiculous.

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You know how long the baby can survive outside the mom after the mom's dead?

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Right.

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Inside or whatever?

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Five minutes.

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Five minutes probably.

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Well, I don't know.

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I can't remember how old Connor was.

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I feel like he was at 30 weeks maybe, 28, six, a cumulative error claim.

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So these are all the things that a attorney general would have to respond to at this

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petition.

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Hopefully that's not happening.

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So far the response for a request for retrial had been postponed to December 1st.

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However, I found no article stating anything about this ruling since then.

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Janie Peterson passed her bar exam in February 2023 and is able to practice law in the state

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of California, which is like great.

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Yikes.

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Yikes.

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And continues to raise awareness for wrongful convictions.

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Scott still resides at Mule Creek State Prison and it has been 21 years for this past December

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24th since losing Lacey and Connor.

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Oh wow.

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21 years.

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That's crazy.

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What's crazy is like I remember it being on television.

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Yeah.

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Like while it was happening.

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It's awful.

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The long hair was bad, Scott.

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It was bad.

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It was already grown out.

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That was the worst costume ever.

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So that's Scott Peterson.

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Sorry I'm fumbling a little bit.

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I know that it's just not as scripted as we usually go off of.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And then it's kind of like a live feel.

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Like we said, it's like field trip day.

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Yeah.

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I'm gonna get some water.

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Okay.

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I'll put it in pause.

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So my next one is Monica Melissa Patterson.

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Like the peach.

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So for those that haven't listened to the episode, Monica Melissa Patterson is serving

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prison without serving life in prison without the possibility parole for the murder of 96

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year old Marty Nell.

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It is seemingly that she killed him for his money because she had made him sign all over

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all his assets to her before.

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And she was like caregiving.

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She was.

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She still claims her innocence to this day.

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She attacked all of the evidence that the prosecution brought against her during her

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trial and still continues to claim that she didn't have anything to do with Marty's death.

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Melissa claims that Marty actually died of a heart attack and not suffocation like it

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was ruled.

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Melissa has asked for numerous appeals with the innocence project even taking her on as

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a client.

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What?

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Yes.

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The innocence project did?

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Yes.

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Whoa.

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However, the innocence project has not made a statement on whether or not they think she's

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guilty or innocent.

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Oh, I see.

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They just said that they're willing to take her on as a potential client.

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They'll review the case.

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Yes.

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You know who else still claims their innocence is Grant Amato.

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Yeah.

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He still claims that somebody else, some random intruder came in.

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Didn't he confess to his brother?

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I think he said that he had gotten into a fight or Jason knew.

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I feel so bad for Jason.

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But yeah, he's like in prison saying that he still didn't do it just because there's

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like $100,000 in this thing doesn't mean that he did it.

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Jesus.

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That's stupid.

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So, Melissa, the motion for an appeal was filed in September of 2023, but it seems like

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it's still in the waiting period.

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Judge Gonzalez stated about the appeal that a hearing is not needed in his opinion and

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his recommendation has been sent to the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals.

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So he's like, no, this doesn't need to be happening.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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So that's all I have on her.

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Interesting.

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So Randy Kraft, a.k.a. the scorecard killer, was a killer who operated in the area of Southern

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California from 1971 to 1983.

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During his time, it is believed that he had at least 60 victims between the ages of 13

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and 35.

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He was caught red-handed while traveling in a vehicle containing the body of his last

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victim and was sentenced to death.

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God of God.

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So horrible.

505
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So crazy.

506
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,040
Randy Kraft is still awaiting execution in San Quentin State Prison.

507
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,560
He is 78 years old.

508
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:33,640
According to the Red Bluff Daily News, in March of 2023, California Governor Gavin Newsom

509
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:40,160
approved a $20 million plan to change San Quentin into a, quote, restorative justice center,

510
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:45,760
and even changing the name to the San Quentin Rehabilitation Center.

511
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:51,840
As such, construction has begun and inmates are being relocated to other prisons until

512
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,080
the new plans are complete.

513
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,480
Inmates such as Randy Kraft.

514
00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:01,560
So at this point, essentially, Randy Kraft is like somewhere else, not in San Quentin.

515
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:02,560
Oh, great.

516
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,560
But like, we don't know where.

517
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:05,560
Where?

518
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:06,560
But where?

519
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:11,720
Newsom also put a stay on all death penalties in the state, and it is unclear when the death

520
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,800
penalty will be placed back in action, if at all.

521
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,400
So he's been there since like 1983.

522
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,400
That's wild.

523
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,400
Imagine that.

524
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,440
But like, death penalty is just like, bye-bye right now.

525
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,440
He's like, oh, great.

526
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,840
So he's missing in action and there's no death penalty.

527
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:26,840
Great.

528
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:27,840
Love that.

529
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:33,240
In November 2023, the LA Times reported that nearly, after nearly 50 years, a John Doe

530
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,600
presumed to be a victim of Randi's has now been identified.

531
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:37,600
Right?

532
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,360
This is just in November, like two months ago.

533
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:47,440
Michael Ray Schlitt was 17 years old in 1974 when he was found dead along a road in Laguna

534
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,600
Beach.

535
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,840
Michael was an Iowa native and his sister said that at the time she last saw him, he

536
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,480
left for California in April of 1974.

537
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,160
Within months, the teen would be dead.

538
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,160
Investigators had not known at the time that they had a serial killer on the loose who

539
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,280
would purposely poison his victims with a valium-like prescription medication in order

540
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,360
to render them helpless.

541
00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:11,920
So when Michael's body was found, toxicology reports led investigators to believe that

542
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,040
his death was caused by an accidental overdose.

543
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,760
It wasn't until police began connecting Kraft's MO to multiple deaths that Michael, or John

544
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,160
Doe at the time, was considered a victim of Kraft's.

545
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,540
Michael went 49 years of buried in an unmarked grave until finally police were able to track

546
00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:30,400
down his family, giving them the closure that they finally deserved.

547
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,320
Oh my god, imagine that!

548
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,160
I know, 49 years!

549
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,160
That's crazy.

550
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,080
I think his sister was the only one that was still alive.

551
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,560
I think that his parents had passed.

552
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:41,840
Oh yeah, that makes sense.

553
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:42,840
That's crazy, right?

554
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,840
That's awful.

555
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:44,840
Your turn.

556
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:45,840
Oh, thanks.

557
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,840
Okay, my next one is Clara Suarez-Harris.

558
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:49,840
Mm-hmm.

559
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,960
Clara Clara.

560
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:59,400
She went to prison in a while ago, I don't know what the date, for killing her ex-husband

561
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,760
and running him over, by running him over with her 17-year-old stepdaughter in the car.

562
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:03,760
Oh, that's right!

563
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,800
So she found him cheating at a hotel, she tracked him into the parking lot, this guy

564
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:13,960
was trying to get the mistress to her car, and Clara jetted the car towards him and

565
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,680
backed over him three different times and killed him.

566
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,680
There's a video of it, right?

567
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,680
Yeah.

568
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:18,680
It's like in the 90s or 2000s.

569
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:19,680
So across the street.

570
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,720
Well, unbeknownst to her, I'm pretty sure the husband had PIs on her because they were

571
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,880
trying to catch her on something.

572
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,320
I'm sorry, she had PIs on her husband because she was trying to catch her cheating, but

573
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,880
the PIs were the ones that caught the video.

574
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,040
So it's her own PIs that caught her killing him.

575
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,040
It's not funny.

576
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,040
Dummy.

577
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,680
Anyway, so Clara was released in 2018 following a prison sentence.

578
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,880
Following her release, Clara was on parole for a number of years, but as of February

579
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,240
of 2023, she is no longer on parole and she is just completely freaked.

580
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,240
Really?

581
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,240
Yeah.

582
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,280
No longer on parole, completely served her sentence and her parole.

583
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,760
Well, so I guess her sentence was like at least 15 years, right?

584
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:56,760
She's just chilling.

585
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:57,760
I don't know.

586
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,760
I don't remember what she was.

587
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,760
Well, she was released in 2018, then she probably was.

588
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,440
Yeah, she probably was for five years.

589
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,440
Yeah.

590
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:06,440
But yeah.

591
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,440
That's all I have on her.

592
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,480
I hope she's doing well, I guess.

593
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,280
I guess.

594
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,920
You know who I really wanted to update or I wish there was kind of more of an update

595
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:20,880
was Carla Homulka, which was a Patreon episode of Ken and Barbie Killers and Paul Bernardo,

596
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:28,760
who is also the Scarborough rapist, and she's married and has kids and lives in Ontario,

597
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,440
I think, or something.

598
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,200
She may or may not have changed her name, but there wasn't.

599
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,800
I mean, I guess she's just quiet.

600
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:37,800
Yeah.

601
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:38,800
You know?

602
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:39,800
Better than doing the alternative.

603
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,800
The alternative.

604
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:41,800
Yeah.

605
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,120
So, my next case that I have an update on is going to be Todd Colhap.

606
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:47,120
Oh, God.

607
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:48,120
He's so ugly.

608
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:49,120
He's disgusting.

609
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:55,400
Todd Colhap got away with a mass shooting, killing four employees of a motorcycle shop

610
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,400
in 2003.

611
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,800
He would then go on to shoot and kill Johnny and Megan Coxie, burying the couple on his

612
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,480
own property.

613
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,600
He too would be caught red-handed when he shot another man, Charles Carver, burying

614
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,000
him on his property as well, and ultimately keeping his partner, Kayla Brown, captive

615
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,680
in a shipping container on his property.

616
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,680
I can't remember this now.

617
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:16,680
Ugh.

618
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,040
Kayla would be found alive after being held for over a month.

619
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,960
Colhap had also been convicted of the previous murders, and he had actually been previously

620
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:32,440
convicted of rape when he was just 15 years old and was, as such, a convicted sex offender.

621
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,880
On his release conditions, it stated that he could not own firearms as a felon.

622
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,200
However, throughout the years, Colhap was actually supplied guns by a man by the name

623
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,400
of Dustin Lawson.

624
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,760
Lawson knew that Colhap was a convicted felon and could not legally own firearms, but this

625
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,840
did not stop Lawson from regularly buying guns from the sports store academy and then

626
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,240
selling them to Colhap.

627
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,200
Yeah, stand up dude, right?

628
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,800
By the time Kayla Brown was found on Colhap's property, Todd Colhap had collected an arsenal

629
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:03,800
of weapons.

630
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:09,040
And after Colhap was found guilty on murder charges, Dustin Lawson was also brought to

631
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,960
justice for supplying Colhap with firearms and sentenced to eight years and three months

632
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:22,880
in prison, his release date being November of this year, 2024.

633
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,840
Academy ultimately settled a civil lawsuit with a coxie and carver of states, splitting

634
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,720
$2.5 million in a settlement.

635
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,560
Kayla Brown would also eventually receive $6.3 million in damages from Colhap's estate

636
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,640
after his belongings and property went to auction.

637
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:39,640
So yeah.

638
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,640
Good for her.

639
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,200
So there was another perpetrator and all that.

640
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,600
That was Dustin Lawson.

641
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:44,600
For supplying all those weapons.

642
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,480
I don't know if academy should be held liable though.

643
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,200
I mean like they didn't know.

644
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:54,360
I kind of agree with that, but I think it was maybe the amount that he was selling, like

645
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:55,360
they were selling to him.

646
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:56,360
Like the weight of what he was buying.

647
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:57,360
Yeah.

648
00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:00,480
There was no red flag for being like, okay this guy is continuously in here buying stuff.

649
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,480
That's true.

650
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,480
Yeah.

651
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,320
My next one is Alexander Lewis Ranwell.

652
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:06,320
Ranwell.

653
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,920
Alexander was sent to prison at the age of 28 for killing three elderly men in the year

654
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:11,920
of 2019.

655
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,920
Well, that's when he was sent to prison.

656
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:19,720
So in June of 2023, the judge who oversaw Alexander's original trial, Mrs. Justice May,

657
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,320
made a hospital order for Alexander.

658
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,360
Justice May stated that Alexander should be cared for in a hospital with a quote, restriction

659
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:31,360
order and would not be quote, allowed into the community until the agencies were absolutely

660
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:33,280
content that it was safe for him to be released.

661
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,160
So instead of prison, institution.

662
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,160
Yeah.

663
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,000
Lawyers told appeal judges that Alexander has been ordered to be detained at Broadmoor

664
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,600
Hospital in Crawthorne under the, I'm sorry, Crawthorne, Berkshire under the terms of mental

665
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,560
health legislation.

666
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,280
The leader of the legal counsel team, Andrew Warnock, took appeal judges, excuse me, told

667
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,160
appeal judges that Alexander had brought proceedings quote, at common law and quote, and that the

668
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,160
organizations that pushed back on the suggestion that Alexander be sent to a hospital need to

669
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,160
compensate him.

670
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,640
So that's really cool.

671
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,640
Yeah.

672
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,200
He was a, wasn't he the one that was kind of like very similar to Andre where he went,

673
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,960
he bounced from place to place kind of right?

674
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,960
Yes.

675
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,040
He was on this different spectrum as well.

676
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,880
The lawyer also stated that the compensation should come for the quote consequences of

677
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,680
the killing and quote on the grounds that they had been quote negligent in their treatment

678
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,520
of him and quote.

679
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,560
Mr. Warnock also told appeal judges that the litigation raised an issue of quote wider

680
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:35,080
public importance and quote adding quote, it raises an important question of whether

681
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,920
those who have killed others but are not guilty by reason of insanity may sue mental

682
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,800
health authorities for the consequences of the killings by reason of deficiencies in

683
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,000
the care they received and quote.

684
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000
So the families consume?

685
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,800
Well I think that I'm thinking like the families and the person.

686
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,240
Yeah, the perpetrator because it's like you didn't give me the help that I needed when

687
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,880
I asked for it.

688
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,280
And this is what happened as a result.

689
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,760
And not to say that like you can go and ask for it and then be like, well, I'm going to

690
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,040
do whatever I want, you know, but in cases like this, it's very clear that like this

691
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,400
guy needed help and asked for it.

692
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,400
It wasn't properly.

693
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,400
And now his life and the lives of others are ruined.

694
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Exactly.

695
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,400
Yeah, that's all I have for him.

696
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,400
Hmm.

697
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,400
But he's going into a hospital setting instead of prison, which is cool.

698
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,400
Well, it's good.

699
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,800
So according to Variety, there's a new installment of the Jinx.

700
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,800
Really?

701
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,120
There's going to be a part two, the life and deaths of Robert Durst.

702
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,880
So this is hitting max sometime this year in 2024.

703
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:37,000
Robert Durst's first wife, Kathy McCormick, mysteriously went missing in 1982 and her disappearance

704
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,200
has never been solved, nor has her body ever been found.

705
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,760
Durst would seemingly get away with murder when he was only convicted of tampering with

706
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,760
evidence when he admitted to dismembering his neighbor, Morris Black, in 2004, which

707
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:50,760
is nuts.

708
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,160
He went through like the whole trial and they're like, just tampering with evidence.

709
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,560
Yeah, he's the lady.

710
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,560
He's the lady.

711
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,720
But after the HBO docuseries, the Jinx aired in 2015, the wheels were set in motion to

712
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,120
further investigate and ultimately convict Durst of the murder of his friend and mob princess,

713
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,240
Susan Berman, who was found dead in her LA home in 2000.

714
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,440
By the time of our episode in January 2022, Robert Durst had passed away after a lengthy

715
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,160
struggle of contracting, after contracting COVID-19.

716
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,640
Oh yeah, I remember that.

717
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,440
I was like, I hope you got COVID in his butt hole.

718
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,440
Oh my God.

719
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,840
You know what's funny is that that episode aired on Cameron's birthday, but he died

720
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:26,840
on my birthday.

721
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:27,840
Isn't that weird?

722
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:28,840
Yeah, that's weird.

723
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,640
But he had died 19 days before, nuts.

724
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:41,120
So in that same month, which would have been January 2022, a judge approved Kathy's family's

725
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:46,080
petition for a wrongful death suit against the Durst estate, which was assumed to be

726
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,040
given or gifted to Robert's second life, Deborah Sheraton.

727
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:57,280
Because of this, all, if any, of Durst's $100 million estate may not be used until either

728
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,680
a settlement or a proceeding can be completed.

729
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,320
So she can't touch that money until they come to an agreement.

730
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,680
Needless to say, the story of Robert Durst and his victims is far from over, and the

731
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,760
jinx part to drop a date has yet to be announced, but we are expecting the sixth episode season

732
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,760
sometime this year.

733
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,760
Dang, that's wild.

734
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:15,760
That's wild, right?

735
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,200
Like, there's so much more to learn.

736
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,200
Yeah, and unfold.

737
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,200
To unravel.

738
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,920
My next one is super quick.

739
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,280
It's George Amiel Banks.

740
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,400
He was the spree killer who ended the lives of 13 people, including his own children and

741
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,080
random bystanders, the people across the street.

742
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,880
In September of 2022, it marked 40 years since his crimes.

743
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,600
He will actually be 82 this year.

744
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,600
That's all the update I have, but I just wanted to...

745
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:38,600
Wow.

746
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:39,600
Yeah.

747
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,280
David Berkowitz, also known as the son of Sam, terrorized the streets of New York City

748
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,800
in the late 1970s.

749
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,080
According to Berkowitz, he was guided to commit his crimes by voices, sometimes ruminating

750
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,140
from the neighbor's dog.

751
00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:55,200
Some theories suggest that he was not alone in committing the six murders and about a

752
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,160
dozen attempted murders.

753
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,920
Berkowitz has yet another parole hearing this year, May of 2024.

754
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,080
However, he has never attended a hearing nor asked for release as he believes that he

755
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,240
deserves to remain in prison.

756
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,120
Berkowitz continues to lend support and fellowship to his fellow inmates preaching the word of

757
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,800
Jesus Christ in an effort to save others, and he is 70 years old.

758
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:18,800
Dang, 70.

759
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:19,800
That's crazy.

760
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:26,000
But I mean, just you think of the son of Sam, that case, David Berkowitz, from the 70s.

761
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,000
Yeah.

762
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,840
And it sounds like it was so long ago, but yet he's still up for parole this year.

763
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:32,840
Yeah, definitely.

764
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,640
And do you know when and may that's gonna happen?

765
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,680
I think there might be a specific day online.

766
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,840
I wanted to say it was like the 12th, May 12th, 2024.

767
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:42,840
Okay.

768
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,320
Because I'm thinking if I'm gonna be in town or not, because it's like the same time as

769
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,320
my cruise.

770
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,320
Oh, really?

771
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,080
Like they are on my phone on the cruise trying to find me.

772
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,280
Well, again, he's never been to a hearing.

773
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,680
He doesn't attend them and he doesn't request for release.

774
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:56,680
So he might even go.

775
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,320
He's probably not even gonna go.

776
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,440
I mean, it's voluntarily.

777
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,080
I mean, if you want to go, you go.

778
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,000
That's just when your date is.

779
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,000
My next one is Dennis Rader, aka BTK.

780
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,560
Aka, yeah.

781
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,120
Aka Sparky Big Time.

782
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,720
Aka The Paneerator.

783
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:15,720
Oh, no.

784
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:17,120
I think Sparky Big Time was it.

785
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,120
Was Sparky Big Time?

786
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,120
Yeah, that was Sparky Big Time.

787
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,360
Aka The Asphyxiator, Aka The Witch of the Hangman, Aka The Garot Phantom.

788
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,360
The Garot Phantom.

789
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,400
Thank you for whoever bought that shirt because I love it.

790
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,720
Oh my gosh, it's such a good shirt.

791
00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:31,720
It's terrible, but it's great.

792
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:32,720
Great.

793
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:35,720
Thank God I like inhaled some big bro.

794
00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:36,720
It's okay.

795
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:37,720
I think that's-

796
00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:38,720
That allergies are bad.

797
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:39,720
Yeah.

798
00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:41,560
I think this goes without saying that what he did, because I don't want to like recap

799
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,720
his whole life because it's gonna take forever.

800
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:50,040
But in an article from August of 2023, Keri Rossin, BTK's daughter, states that her father,

801
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,240
quote, lost like seven inches and he's in a wheelchair.

802
00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:56,240
He's pretty much rotting like to his core, end quote.

803
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:57,240
I mean-

804
00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:02,360
Keri had refused to visit her father in jail for a very long time until she finally agreed

805
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,080
in the summer of 2023.

806
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,080
Whoa.

807
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,800
Keri visited her father with her father for nearly three hours, telling him that the

808
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,480
reason for her visit was to assist investigators in determining if BTK was responsible for

809
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,680
other missing people.

810
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,760
Wow, she's like their advocate.

811
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:17,760
Oh my gosh.

812
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,840
Keri would state about this conversation, quote, it was the first time he ever dropped

813
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,640
his mask and became BTK in front of me.

814
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,960
He didn't even necessarily recognize me, so we had to have a family reunion first, end

815
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:29,960
quote.

816
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,960
Oh my god, this whole money came.

817
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:32,960
I know, I know.

818
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,080
Oh my god.

819
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,040
According to Keri, Dennis refused to cooperate with giving any new information even when

820
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,360
he was offered an immunity deal for any new murders.

821
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,560
Keri stated about this, quote, my dad basically said maybe he would like to go out like a

822
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,880
Roman candle, end quote.

823
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,720
He's like, fuck you, like essentially.

824
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:51,820
Oh my god.

825
00:35:51,820 --> 00:35:55,800
When BTK was told that his home was being combed through once again for any new evidence,

826
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,800
he got very upset.

827
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,040
Keri stated about this, quote, he's very unhappy with what's going on and we're coming up against

828
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,000
a man that's playing lots of games, end quote.

829
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,520
Ew, it's almost like, I mean we always made fun of him in the episode calling him a bumbling

830
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,200
idiot but he's still a killer, you know.

831
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,200
Oh yeah.

832
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,720
Who like to enjoy playing games with people.

833
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:17,720
Yeah.

834
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:20,760
Investigators were searching the home for any trophies that may still be there after

835
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,120
coming across evidence of a possible additional victim.

836
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:29,160
Keri tweeted about the findings actually stating, quote, binding type items found underground

837
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:34,160
in my old yard where I grew up, not far from where this thing set used to be, end quote.

838
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,400
There's like still evidence buried in the yard.

839
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,280
Unfortunately, there was no new information given from BTK in this meeting.

840
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,480
Keri stating, quote, my father does not want to be put in a van and woken up in Oklahoma

841
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,240
in a holding cell for, you know, the kidnapping of Cynthia Kenny.

842
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:51,920
He wants to live his life out at the prison that he's at.

843
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,960
So that's one pressing point that he's not going to cooperate.

844
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,800
Then we're going to do this a legit hard way and he's going to wake up some morning

845
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,080
somewhere he doesn't want to be, end quote.

846
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,080
Oh my god.

847
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,080
I know.

848
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,920
So the new evidence that was looked for came from a connection of BTK to the disappearance

849
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:12,120
of 16 year old Cynthia Dawn Kenny and other potential crimes naming BTK as the prime suspect.

850
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,880
Sheriff Eddie Verdon of Oklahoma announced in September of 2023 that drawings done by

851
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:22,880
BTK that were recovered during his initial arrest in 2005 suggested possible new victims.

852
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,920
He stated about this quote, I can show you a drawing of an actual murder that matches

853
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,560
the crime scene photo to a T. So when I find large amounts of similar drawings in the same

854
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,640
fashion, that makes you want to make sure that there's no other victims.

855
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,640
Yeah.

856
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,600
And if there's anybody out there that can contradict that, I want them to come forward

857
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,360
because I don't want to waste my time, end quote.

858
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,360
You hear that folks?

859
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,360
Yes.

860
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:49,880
There's so many information that's still prevalent and can help solve.

861
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,200
And not something else is that people just assume their family member went missing or

862
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,840
whatever and not necessarily that they would be part of these big cases, but there's a

863
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:58,840
potential.

864
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,840
Yeah, for sure.

865
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,280
But isn't that creepy he's saying that they found all these drawings and they have all

866
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,040
these victims and they can match each victim to this precise drawing, but then there's

867
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,720
these drawings that don't have a victim.

868
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:13,320
You're like, why would he have these other drawings?

869
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,320
If there were victims.

870
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,320
If there were.

871
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,320
Yeah.

872
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,320
Oh, I mean, that's why he gets paid the big bucks.

873
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,320
Yeah.

874
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,640
A BTK task force was announced in September of 2023 as well.

875
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,120
But as far as I can tell, nothing further has happened yet in the case.

876
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,640
But still, now this is like a BTK in our era.

877
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,640
Yes.

878
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,840
Like, I mean, that's the BTK, but that's interesting.

879
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,840
I know.

880
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:36,840
Gosh.

881
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:37,840
True crime is fascinating.

882
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:38,840
It's very fascinating.

883
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,840
Thanks for being here with us.

884
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:41,840
Yeah.

885
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,840
So, the two children, Eric and Mnendas, were convicted in 1996 of killing their parents,

886
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,520
Jose and Mary, or Kitty Mnendas, in 1989.

887
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,960
The boys claim that after decades of physical, psychological, and sexual abuse at the hands

888
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,680
of both of their parents, the two felt that their very lives were in danger and ultimately

889
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,040
decided to kill Jose and Kitty when they felt like they had no other choice.

890
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:10,480
The brothers felt that, given their father being a very influential figure in music,

891
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:15,000
that they would essentially never be taken seriously by police or others.

892
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,560
Although there were many pieces of incriminating evidence against Jose Mnendas that allegedly

893
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:23,840
proved that he did molest his own sons, the two were still sentenced to life imprisonment.

894
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,200
Since their sentence, they are both married, and in 2018, the brothers were housed together,

895
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,000
it being the first time that they'd seen each other since their sentencing.

896
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,800
Ugh, that's so sad.

897
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:38,480
In April of 2023, Roy Rosello, which is a member of the boy band Mnudo, came forward

898
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,600
with allegations that at the age of 14, Jose Mnendas drugged and raped him at the family

899
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:44,600
New Jersey home.

900
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,800
I did hear about this.

901
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,000
Further evidence has also been recovered within the Mnendas family.

902
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,960
A letter was found by the brothers aunt, revealing that prior to the murders, Eric had sent a

903
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:01,360
letter to his cousin, seemingly discussing the abuse, and feared that he had endured

904
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,800
silently at the hands of his father in 1988.

905
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,000
The letter had only been recovered after the boy's aunt began going through her son's

906
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,680
belongings, who had passed away, unfortunately, shortly after the boy's trial was over.

907
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:17,000
So essentially, this letter was in a box, and she never went through her son's items

908
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,000
after he passed away.

909
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,880
I think it was a car accident or something.

910
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,360
And she just now went through this box last year and found this letter.

911
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:32,960
And it was like six to eight months before the boys killed their parents, that the letter

912
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,640
had stated, you know what dad did to me, you know how he is, like I'm in fear, like all

913
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:38,640
this stuff.

914
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,600
So this was like, if it was premeditated, it was premeditated for a very long time.

915
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,600
Yeah, for sure.

916
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,600
Oh my gosh.

917
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,920
Given these new discoveries, the brothers have since filed a habeas corpus petition pleading

918
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,360
with the courts for a new trial in order to provide this new evidence to a jury.

919
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,120
And in May of 2023, a peacock exclusive three part docuseries covered the new revelations

920
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,680
in a show called Mnendas and Mnudo Boys Betrayed.

921
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,960
No news of the habeas corpus ruling yet.

922
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,800
I feel like they're on the fast track though, especially in light of this new information.

923
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,960
But I'm going to save that thought for a little bit.

924
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,400
My next person is Anders Brevik.

925
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:23,960
He is the Norwegian man that went onto that island that had a camp on it and massacred

926
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,880
multiple, multiple children and counselors and people.

927
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:27,880
It was absolutely awful.

928
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,560
The worst attack that Norway has ever seen.

929
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,840
And in August of 2023, Anders was 41 years old, still serving Norway's longest presence

930
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:37,840
and sentenced to date.

931
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:38,840
Oh my gosh.

932
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:39,840
21 years.

933
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:40,840
Because they don't like sentenced people to prison.

934
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,240
Yeah, he's the only one in there.

935
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:47,320
This is still eligible to be extended if the court considers him to still be a threat.

936
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,840
But Anders is actually attempting to sue the state.

937
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:50,840
Really?

938
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,560
His lawyer stated about this, quote, he's suing the state because he has been in extreme

939
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,160
isolation for 11 years and has no contacts with other people except his guards.

940
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,520
He was moved to a new prison last year and we hoped there would be better conditions

941
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,080
and that he could meet other people, end quote.

942
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,640
Maybe he shouldn't have fucking murdered dozens of people.

943
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:08,640
I was like, isn't that?

944
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,640
And he wouldn't have to be alone.

945
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,480
That's just standard in the United States.

946
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,480
That's oh, sorry.

947
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,480
Yes.

948
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,600
For our listeners that are not American, yes.

949
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,240
That's very strange to me because I'm like, yeah, he shouldn't have contact with the

950
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:20,240
fucking other people.

951
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:22,840
That's essentially what death row is in the United States.

952
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,200
You are isolated.

953
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,200
You don't talk to people.

954
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,200
Yeah.

955
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,040
You get one hour of sunlight a day.

956
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,720
One hour of sunlight a day and a cage by yourself.

957
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:33,520
I mean, even the roof is caged.

958
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,400
And then you get a meal through a slot in the door.

959
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,400
Yeah.

960
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,400
Yeah.

961
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,400
I'm sorry.

962
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,280
If you murdered innocent children and people, you probably should have that life, just saying.

963
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,680
That's very interesting though, the difference between the countries.

964
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:45,680
Oh yeah.

965
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:46,680
Yeah.

966
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,640
Although a Norwegian court rejected his parole application in 2022, Anders's lawyer hopes

967
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,880
that the district court of Oslo will acknowledge the lawsuit sometime this year.

968
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:55,880
Interesting.

969
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:56,880
This year, like, 2024.

970
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:57,880
This year.

971
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:58,880
Yes.

972
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,360
Anyway, so it seems like he was sentenced.

973
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,080
I don't remember how long his sentence was, but like they keep extending it because they're

974
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,720
like, nope, you're still not safe to be out.

975
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:05,720
Still not safe to be out.

976
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:06,720
You know what I mean?

977
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:07,720
Yeah.

978
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:08,720
No, thank you.

979
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:13,080
So I wonder how in between his considerations are.

980
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,080
I don't know.

981
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,080
Every few years, I guess.

982
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,560
I don't know.

983
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:23,200
Susan Smith is eligible for parole in November of this year, 2024.

984
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:28,120
Her ex-husband and father of her children, whom she murdered in 1994 by rolling the family

985
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:33,560
vehicle into a lake, as well as his family, are in opposition of her release.

986
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,440
Susan has continued to maintain contact with various men on the outside, which seems to

987
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,160
go along with the theme that Susan was perceived as boy crazy or man crazy at the time of the

988
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,960
murders, and that her motive for the crime of murdering her children was the product

989
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,680
of an affair.

990
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:53,160
Susan was even caught having sex with two guards at two separate times during her incarceration.

991
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:58,440
This will be Susan's first parole hearing, and she plans on asking for release.

992
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,120
But it's like, haven't, I mean, Susan, you working on yourself?

993
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,120
Haven't changed, yeah.

994
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,120
Yeah.

995
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,960
There was also talk of her using, like, drugs while she was in there.

996
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,440
She just, yeah, she's still the lawless one.

997
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,560
Can't contain, can't contain this wild horse.

998
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,160
Thinks that she just does whatever.

999
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:16,160
Yeah.

1000
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,160
Be fine.

1001
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,160
Is that it?

1002
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,160
Yeah.

1003
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,160
Okay, my next one is...

1004
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,600
Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...Nicholas Godajan!

1005
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:28,600
And I'm sure you guys have heard that name recently because that is the man that helped

1006
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,040
Gypsy Rose kill her mother, who actually did the killing.

1007
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,040
Right.

1008
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,880
So as we know, this is the perpetrator who killed Gypsy Rose Blanchard's mother, and

1009
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,960
we have seen her all over the news in the last week.

1010
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,060
Nicholas had been working on an appeal for himself, and he was originally sentenced to

1011
00:44:41,060 --> 00:44:44,080
life in prison without the possibility of parole.

1012
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,080
This latest appeal is actually an appeal of an appeal, in which the first one includes

1013
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:53,160
Nicholas admitting to murdering Dady Blanchard, stating that he chose to use a knife and asked

1014
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,960
Gypsy for duct tape to muffle the victim before traveling from his home to hers.

1015
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:58,960
Hmm.

1016
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,480
Nicholas had stated about this previous appeal that after getting inside the Blanchard home,

1017
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,120
he quote, waited a minute and thought about if he really wanted to do it, end quote.

1018
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,240
At the trial, Nicholas's attorneys argued that he had a diminished capacity because

1019
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:18,000
he had Autism Spectrum Disorder, or ASD, and an IQ on the low side of average.

1020
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,800
Just immediately after his conviction, Nicholas filed an appeal, arguing that the court had

1021
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,800
excluded testimony from a defense psychological expert about ASD, and its impact on his ability

1022
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,560
to deliberate at the time of the murder.

1023
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:34,680
In his newest appeal, filed on December 5th, 2023, Nicholas argued that the issue at hand

1024
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,360
is not a trial strategy, but instead an effective counsel.

1025
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,360
Hmm.

1026
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,240
The appeal states, quote, Review of the record leaves a definite and firm impression that

1027
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,800
he was denied effective assistance of counsel.

1028
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,920
In that trial, counsel failed to act as a reasonably competent attorney under the same

1029
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,560
or similar circumstances by failing to fully investigate and present evidence from a qualified

1030
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,240
neuropsychologist specializing in Autism Spectrum Disorder to support the diminished capacity

1031
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:00,400
defense.

1032
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,800
The claim is not expert shopping, but an unreasonable failure to investigate, end quote.

1033
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,040
So this was like, just last month.

1034
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,400
This was a couple weeks before Gypsy was released.

1035
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,400
Oh, okay.

1036
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,400
December 5th.

1037
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,400
December 5th.

1038
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:13,400
And she was the 28th?

1039
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,400
28th.

1040
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,400
Yeah.

1041
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,000
And Gypsy was offered a plea agreement from the prosecution for life in prison with the

1042
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,000
possibility for what?

1043
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,080
First, but that he went to trial because he was hoping for a sentence more closely aligned

1044
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,240
with the 10 years that Gypsy was sentenced.

1045
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:27,240
Interesting.

1046
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:28,800
So she was sentenced before him?

1047
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:29,800
Yes.

1048
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,800
Yeah.

1049
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,800
So he was like, oh, well, she only got 10 years.

1050
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:33,800
So, hmm.

1051
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,040
As we all most likely know by now, Gypsy Rose Blanchard was released from prison on December

1052
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:43,520
28th, 2023, and she has gotten increasingly popular on social media with support from millions.

1053
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,840
So we're getting too much into this because literally anybody can just Google it right

1054
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,640
now and see all of the information.

1055
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,720
She has stated that she's extremely grateful for all the support and is happy to be back

1056
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:55,000
home with her dad's side of the family and her husband.

1057
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,040
She also said that her husband has that good D.

1058
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,040
No, she did not.

1059
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,040
I swear, she did.

1060
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,040
No, she did not.

1061
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,040
She totally did.

1062
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,040
Oh my God.

1063
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,040
She said something about the D.

1064
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:09,040
By the time this comes out, which will be Thursday the 4th, she's going to be on great

1065
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,600
in Good Morning America.

1066
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:11,600
Oh, really?

1067
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:12,600
On Friday, yeah.

1068
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:13,600
That's crazy.

1069
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,680
But yeah, that's Nicholas Godajon.

1070
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,000
He's working on that appeal and Gypsy is out and living her best life.

1071
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,480
I can't believe she said that about her husband.

1072
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,200
Yeah, she said that she's getting that good D. And then she also said that she wanted to

1073
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,600
go to a cheese game to meet, I told you this, meet Taylor Swift.

1074
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,320
And she's so excited to meet Taylor Swift.

1075
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,080
And then she was like, go into the cheese game and then her lawyer was like, or her

1076
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,720
parole officer was like, no, you can't be, I'm sorry, you gotta be, you see it, I'm sorry.

1077
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:36,720
Yeah, sorry about that.

1078
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:37,720
We'll zoom you in.

1079
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:38,720
We'll zoom call you in.

1080
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:39,720
Yeah.

1081
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:40,720
Oh my gosh.

1082
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:43,920
I'm sorry, this one TikTok of this girl that was like, yeah, Gypsy was talking about her

1083
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,920
husband and getting that good D. She's like, ah, she should.

1084
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:46,920
She's been in prison.

1085
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,920
She's like, what would you do?

1086
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:49,920
I was like, honestly.

1087
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,520
I'm just excited for her to like, like she had a picture with her sister, her half-sister.

1088
00:47:54,520 --> 00:48:00,080
And her dad, her dad, you know, if anybody's ever seen a mommy, mommy, dad and dearest.

1089
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,080
It's awful.

1090
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,200
That she hadn't seen her dad since she was like four or five.

1091
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,640
And she was led to believe that her dad was a piece of shit.

1092
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,680
And her dad was led to believe that she was sick and that, I mean, every time her dad

1093
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,720
would try to make plans with Didi to go see them, she would cancel last second or she would

1094
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,560
say they were busy or something.

1095
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,280
And I'm excited that she's in Louisiana now too because that's where she was before

1096
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,960
Didi took her, you know.

1097
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:23,960
Yeah.

1098
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:24,960
It's just a really awful story all the way around.

1099
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:25,960
And we covered that story.

1100
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:26,960
So please go listen to it.

1101
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,520
Obviously, that's why we're talking about it right now.

1102
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:29,520
But it's under Nicholas Godajon.

1103
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,560
If you're trying to search for the Gypsy Ro story, it's labeled Nicholas Godajon.

1104
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:34,560
Because he was the perpetrator.

1105
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:35,560
Exactly.

1106
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:36,560
Yeah.

1107
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:41,840
So, my last one is going to be Mark David Chapman.

1108
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,880
Mark David Chapman murdered John Lennon, a member of the Beatles in December of 1980,

1109
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,680
outside of his home that he shared with his wife Yoko and his young son Sean.

1110
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,680
Wait, John Lennon's dead.

1111
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,280
Sorry, I had to.

1112
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,080
Oh my God, is John Lennon dead?

1113
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,080
John Lennon died.

1114
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,080
He died?

1115
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:03,840
John Lennon struggled with symptoms of schizophrenia spectrum disorder from a very young age, the

1116
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,720
youngest I think we've seen in a case that we've covered.

1117
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:09,720
He was like five.

1118
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:12,920
And he never successfully sought help for this disorder.

1119
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,280
Chapman is still married to his wife Gloria, whom he married in 1978.

1120
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,280
Oh wow.

1121
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,280
He's still married.

1122
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,280
Good for him.

1123
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,880
I think they had met in Hawaii, I believe.

1124
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:29,000
And once again, he is a for parole in February of 2024.

1125
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,120
This will be his 13th hearing.

1126
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,080
He's attended every single one.

1127
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:39,280
Yoko has decided to recently pull away from the public eye in 2021 and Sean has since

1128
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,840
become the family representative.

1129
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:46,160
And he is, although been a musician in the past, Sean is currently producing music.

1130
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,080
He has an album that he produced that came out in 2023.

1131
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,080
Good for him.

1132
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,080
Yeah.

1133
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,080
Yeah.

1134
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,960
Well, that just about does it.

1135
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,280
Every other case, like we said, either doesn't have an update, the person is deceased, or

1136
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,400
it's too early to have an update because we just covered them within the last couple

1137
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:02,400
months.

1138
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,160
But yeah, we wanted to bring this back to you guys.

1139
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,160
If you haven't listened to those episodes, maybe entice you to go back and listen.

1140
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,160
Yeah.

1141
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,760
Because I know we got some listeners, I mean we get listeners every day, but some that

1142
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,880
maybe started from the middle or some that just started recently.

1143
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,240
Definitely encourage you to go back and listen to those beginning ones because we like for

1144
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:21,840
you guys, we want to be super authentic, of course.

1145
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,880
And the only way to do that is for you guys to follow us from the beginning, right?

1146
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:25,880
And go with us.

1147
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:26,880
Oh, for sure.

1148
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,640
Definitely super excited for all of the content we have coming out this month.

1149
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,160
I think we talked about it and there's going to be like 11 episodes or something this month.

1150
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:40,600
Well, because we're going to have one every Monday, one every Thursday, we hope to have

1151
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,160
a DAK live come to you within the next few weeks.

1152
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:49,200
We also have maybe a little bit of a surprise in a week or two, some Patreon, some free

1153
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:50,760
access.

1154
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,920
And then we also have a Patreon at the end of the month.

1155
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,120
So we have lots to bring you.

1156
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,000
And we both start school this month, so you know that we love you.

1157
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,440
That's why we're pre-recording every love it.

1158
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,040
Well, thank you guys for joining us.

1159
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:05,240
Do you have anything else?

1160
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:08,680
No, I just want to say thank you to all of our listeners that have supported us this

1161
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,640
last two and some change.

1162
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,520
We love you guys so much.

1163
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,440
We are obsessed with you all.

1164
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,280
We nonstop talk about the podcast and how much we love you all.

1165
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,320
So everyone around us, like the listeners who sees us on a daily basis are like, can

1166
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:21,320
you still talk with the podcast?

1167
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,120
We're like, no, never, never, never again.

1168
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,120
Yeah.

1169
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:25,120
Get your merch and y'all.

1170
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,920
We just posted some new merch on the Instagram.

1171
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,200
Link is in the link tree in the bio of the Instagram.

1172
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,320
Yeah, we have those koozies.

1173
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:40,120
We have, oh my gosh, we did the poll for repurposed shirts.

1174
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,880
So excited that you guys are in support of that.

1175
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,920
We have tons of just plain shirts that are sitting around that are slightly used or just

1176
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,720
cute little different designs.

1177
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:50,920
There's like one that you have that's like a cutoff.

1178
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:51,920
Yeah.

1179
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,760
Not a tee, but like a cutoff blouse.

1180
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:54,760
Like a cutoff tank top.

1181
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,040
It's so cute.

1182
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,560
So those we're probably going to put, we're going to take pictures of those, post them.

1183
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,360
And then that way you guys have an idea of what you're getting.

1184
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,520
But those are going to be one of a kind, one of a kind unique pieces because we only have

1185
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:07,520
one of each.

1186
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,520
For sure.

1187
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:09,520
And we're going to sell them at discounted price.

1188
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,280
We're still working at the details of that, but we'll let you know as soon as we post

1189
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,760
everything exactly what that will entail as far as the discount.

1190
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,280
And then it'll be kind of like a pick your own design, like whatever you want on it.

1191
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,280
Whatever you want.

1192
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:21,280
Yeah.

1193
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,800
So that's a combination of the logos, the sayings on the back, your choice, y'all.

1194
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:26,800
Yeah.

1195
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:27,800
Definitely.

1196
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:28,800
Well, thanks for joining us.

1197
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,800
We'll see you guys on Monday with another mental breakdown.

1198
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:32,800
All right.

1199
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:33,800
Love you.

1200
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:53,800
Bye.