1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Hello! Welcome back to the first 2024 episode of Diagnosing a Killer. I'm Kenna and I'm Koel. 2 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Happy New Year everyone! 3 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Happy New Year! 4 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:41,000 I love it. Everyone's here for, this is going to be our third year showing up and giving you guys content. 5 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,000 It's crazy. 6 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,000 Which is really exciting. And as you know, if you've been listening, we are going back to two cases a week. 7 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Mental breakdown and case every week instead of one case every other week. 8 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Yeah. 9 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,000 So you're going to get a lot of content, which we're really excited for. 10 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:05,000 Yeah. 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00:02:20,000 I'm scared though because my, oh gosh. 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,000 Because my content coming up is similar to that. 46 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,000 Sounds like. 47 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,000 Okay. 48 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Well, I'm just going to tell you my mental breakdown is on the history of serial killers. 49 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Okay. 50 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000 This is not that. 51 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,000 Oh gosh. 52 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,000 Okay. 53 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,000 I'm relieved. 54 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,000 Content warning. 55 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:48,000 This episode contains depictions of sexual assault, enslavement, negative depictions of certain groups of people, assault and murder of children, incest, torture, necrophilia, cannibalism, and gruesome details of particular cases. 56 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,000 If this episode is not for you, we encourage you to find another one of our episodes. 57 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Remember, your mental health is very important and we love you. 58 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,000 We love you. 59 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,000 Bye. 60 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000 So it's a doozy of a content warning just because we talk about a bunch of different cases in the episode. 61 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,000 I know. 62 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,000 I was going to say, wow, that's like literally a giant blanket. 63 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,000 Yeah. 64 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,000 It's a lot. 65 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:12,000 But if you've listened to most of our episodes up till now, it's not going to be anything like extremely new, you know, than that. 66 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,000 Okay. 67 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,000 So starting off, what is a serial killer? 68 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:28,000 A serial killer, also called a serial murderer, is a person who typically murders three or more people with the murders taking place over more than a month's time and including a significant period of time between the murders. 69 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Okay. 70 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,000 So something like, it'll have to be within a month. 71 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,000 So with a few days, that would be considered a spree killing, correct? 72 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,000 Yeah. 73 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,000 Well, I'll get into that as well. 74 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Okay. 75 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:47,000 So it's a person who's been at a threshold of three murders in order to consider someone a serial killer, but some law enforcement will either lessen it to just two or extend it to four. 76 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,000 So it's just kind of like in the between. 77 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Is that because of an MO? 78 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,000 I don't know, actually. 79 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,000 It's the one they don't know. 80 00:03:53,000 --> 00:04:02,000 Psychological gratification is usually the motive for serial killing, and many serial murders will also involve sexual contact with the victim. 81 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:12,000 The FBI states that the motives of serial killers can include financial gain, attention seeking, thrill seeking, and anger, and their killings may be executed differently according to each motive. 82 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,000 And we'll get into motives and stuff, or MOs. 83 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:24,000 In serial killings, the victims also usually have something in common, such as demographic profile, race, gender, or appearance. 84 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:35,000 When the FBI is investigating a potential serial killer, they will usually follow the patterns of the types of victims, and this will give them clues into the type of people that they're looking for, a.k.a., like, criminal profiling. 85 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Profiling, yeah. 86 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Yeah. 87 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Serial killers are not to be confused with mass murderers, spree killers, or contract killers. 88 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:50,000 A mass murder is the act of killing a number of people, typically simultaneously or over a relatively short period of time and proximity. 89 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:56,000 A mass murder typically occurs at a single location where one or more persons kill several others. 90 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:01,000 So the best example that we've covered of this would be Dillon Klebold and Eric Harris and the Columbine Massacre. 91 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:06,000 Another one that comes to mind when I think of mass murder is the Vegas murders of the hotel. 92 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Yeah, I was at the mirage, I think. 93 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,000 That would be an interesting case. 94 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,000 Yeah. 95 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,000 Also, technically, I guess, oh no, I guess it wouldn't be a mass. 96 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,000 I was going to say Elliot Roger, but that's not him. 97 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,000 No, that's not him. 98 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,000 I think that's more of a spree. 99 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Yeah. 100 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:27,000 A spree killer is someone who commits a criminal act that involves two or more murders in a short period of time, often in multiple locations. 101 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000 The United States Bureau of Justice Statistics state that there is, quote, 102 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:38,000 almost no time break between murders, end quote, although some may consider that a killing spree can last weeks or months. 103 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:44,000 The general definition of a spree killer is one who kills two or more people with no cooling off period, essentially. 104 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,000 So it can last weeks or months, but the person is, like, ready. 105 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,000 At the ready, on the whole time. 106 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,000 On a rampage the whole time. 107 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Yeah, exactly. 108 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,000 So the best example of this that we've covered would be George Amiel Banks. 109 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Remember, he killed his family, the women living with him, and then the people across the street, and then he went elsewhere. 110 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,000 Right. 111 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Yes. 112 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:10,000 A contract killer is a form of murder of assassination in which one party hires another party to kill a targeted person or people. 113 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,000 We actually did a whole mental breakdown on this topic. 114 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,000 We did. 115 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,000 So listen to that one for more info, but contract killer is kind of, you know, what exactly what it sounds like. 116 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,000 That was really interesting that there was varying levels of contract killers. 117 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Yeah, it's like what? 118 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,000 It's like a master. 119 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,000 It's like a scale? 120 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 It's crazy. 121 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,000 The master assassin. 122 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:39,000 So the English term and concept of the word serial killer are commonly attributed to former FBI Special Agent Robert Wessler, who used the term serial homicide in 1974 in a lecture. 123 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,000 Serial homicide? 124 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Okay, that's interesting. 125 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:49,000 If that name sounds familiar, it's because he worked on cases that we've covered such as Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Richard Trenton Chase, and even John Wayne Gacy. 126 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,000 Gosh, this is like all over again. 127 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,000 I know, this is like everywhere. 128 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,000 This is like everywhere. 129 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,000 This is like everywhere. 130 00:06:53,000 --> 00:07:01,000 However, author Ann Rule states in a 2004 book of hers that LA Police Department Detective Pierce Brooks coined the term. 131 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:11,000 If the name Ann Rule sounds familiar, it's because she worked with Ted Bundy way back before he was caught and she actually wrote a book on the relationship entitled The Stranger Beside Me. 132 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,000 We did an episode on Ted Bundy as well. 133 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,000 That's true. 134 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,000 Are you getting the theme here? 135 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,000 New us, new updates. 136 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,000 Yeah. 137 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:28,000 The FBI defines serial killing as quote, a series of two or more murders committed as separate events, usually but not always by one offender acting alone, end quote. 138 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:41,000 In 2005, the FBI hosted a multi-disciplinary symposium in San Antonio, Texas, which brought together 135 experts on serial murder from a variety of different files and specialties. 139 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:49,000 Their goal was to identify the commonalities of knowledge regarding serial murder to get to like the best and most concise definition. 140 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Yeah. 141 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:56,000 This group would settle on a definition of serial murder, which the FBI widely accepts as their standard quote, 142 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,000 the unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender in separate events. 143 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Historical criminologists suggest that there have been serial killers throughout history, with some sources suggesting that werewolves and vampires were actually inspired by medieval serial killers. 144 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:21,000 That would make sense, you know, like you don't, especially if it came down to something that was not maybe strangulation, but maybe somebody being cut or something. 145 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,000 And then they're like, oh my gosh, like that's so much blood. 146 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,000 Like there's no way a person could have done that. 147 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 You must be looking for the blood, you know. 148 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,000 Yeah. 149 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:34,000 I'm probably going to butcher this name, but I think it's Liu Pingli of China. 150 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:42,000 His nephew of the Han Emperor Jing was made prince of Zhidong in the sixth year of the middle period of Jing's reign, which was 144 BC. 151 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,000 Wow. 152 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,000 According to Chinese historian Xi Mequan, Liu would, quote, 153 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:56,000 go out on marauding expeditions with 20 or 30 slaves or with young men who were hiding from the law, murdering people and seizing their belongings for sheer sport. 154 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,000 Oh my god. 155 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,000 Just like a group of people? 156 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,000 Yeah, and 144 BC. 157 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,000 Like this is a long time ago. 158 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Although many of his men knew about the murders, it was not until the 29th year of his reign that the son of one of his victims finally sent a report to the emperor. 159 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:20,000 Eventually it was discovered that Liu murdered at least 100 people and the officials of the court suggested that he be executed. 160 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,000 Wow. 161 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:26,000 However, the emperor could not have his own nephew put to death, so he made Liu a commoner and banished him instead. 162 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,000 What? 163 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,000 Yeah. 164 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,000 He's like, oh, you get none of my money. 165 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Yeah, exactly. 166 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Get out of here. 167 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,000 What do you think he did after that? 168 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,000 He went back to Lu Ding. 169 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,000 Yeah, of course. 170 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,000 Yeah, but he just wouldn't have the protection of the emperor, which is interesting. 171 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,000 Exactly. 172 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:46,000 In the 9th century, it was reported that, quote, a strangler from Baghdad was apprehended. 173 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,000 He had murdered a number of women and buried them in the house where he was living, end quote. 174 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,000 Ew. 175 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,000 In the 9th century. 176 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000 That's crazy. 177 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:58,000 And it's just funny that we're sitting here being like, oh my god, people back then couldn't murder. 178 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,000 It's so weird. 179 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,000 What a concept. 180 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,000 What a concept. 181 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,000 And multiple people? 182 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,000 How weird. 183 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,000 That never happens now. 184 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:11,000 It was only ever like a crime of passion before Bundy. 185 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,680 In the 15th century, one of the wealthiest men in Europe and former companion in arms with 186 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:20,520 Joan of Arc, Gilles Durene, was alleged to have sexually assaulted and killed peasant 187 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,880 children, mainly boys whom he had abducted from the surrounding villages and had taken 188 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:25,880 to his castle. 189 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:26,880 That's fucked up. 190 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:27,880 That's a hell of a sentence. 191 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:28,880 That is a hell of a sentence. 192 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:29,880 Yeah. 193 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,000 That sounds like you just summarized a nightmare that you had. 194 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,400 It's terrible. 195 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:40,320 It was estimated that his number of victims was between 140 and 800. 196 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:41,320 Somewhere in there. 197 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,000 I mean, this is before birth and death records. 198 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Oh yeah, for sure. 199 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,000 You just don't know. 200 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,320 You just went around silly willy nilly, just snatching up children. 201 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,000 Yeah, it's awful. 202 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:59,680 Between 1564 and 1589, German farmer Peter Stump killed 14 children, including his own 203 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:01,180 son. 204 00:11:01,180 --> 00:11:06,760 He also murdered two pregnant women and had an incestuous relationship with his own daughter. 205 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:12,400 Peter claimed to have been granted the ability to turn into a werewolf by the devil. 206 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:13,400 As lunacy? 207 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:14,400 Yes. 208 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,480 As punishment for his crimes, Peter was put on a torture wheel and executed. 209 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,920 His head was actually later severed and put on a pole next to the figure of a wolf to 210 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,680 scare other people away from claiming that they were werewolves as well. 211 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:27,680 Oh my god. 212 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:31,720 This is what happens when you claim that you're a werewolf. 213 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,400 We're not werewolf friendly over here. 214 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,400 Yeah, no seriously. 215 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,680 If you're a werewolf, you need to vacate the president. 216 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:37,680 President? 217 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:40,680 Vacate the president. 218 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:41,680 Premises. 219 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:46,560 What is that president in a... 220 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:47,560 Presence. 221 00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:49,960 What movie is that from? 222 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,960 Oh, it's from Dexter. 223 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,200 When Dexter goes to the halfway house to find Jeremy Downs and then he asks like another 224 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:02,240 kid, it's like a juvenile halfway house or whatever and he goes to find a kid and then 225 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,280 he asks another kid up front that's like playing with like drumsticks and he's here. 226 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,280 Is that his season with Mostev? 227 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:07,280 I love Mostev. 228 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,800 I don't know who that is. 229 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,600 He's the one that played the shepherd. 230 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,680 Oh yeah, no, not the same season. 231 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:18,080 But this kid's like playing with drumsticks and Dexter's like, where's Jeremy? 232 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,000 And he's like, he vacated the president. 233 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,000 To be like drums with it. 234 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,000 So good. 235 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,360 That's so funny. 236 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,160 All right, back to the story. 237 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,160 Werewolves bad. 238 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,160 Bad. 239 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,160 Werewolves bad. 240 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,160 Feel bad for the other kid. 241 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,160 Yeah. 242 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,640 A Hungarian aristocrat by the name of Elizabeth Bathory was born into one of the wealthiest 243 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:45,240 families in Transylvania and allegedly tortured and killed as many as 650 girls and young 244 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,880 women before she was arrested in 1610. 245 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,440 She sounds like a jealous woman. 246 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,880 I'll be honest, I don't, I didn't think that Transylvania was a real place. 247 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:53,880 Really? 248 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:54,880 Swear. 249 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:55,880 Where are you from? 250 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:05,280 I don't know why that was funny. 251 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,760 But seriously, like I don't, I didn't think that was a real place. 252 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:08,760 Yeah. 253 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,560 Like I really just thought it was made up for Transylvania. 254 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:12,800 That's where that accent comes from. 255 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:13,800 The Dracula accent. 256 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:14,800 Duh. 257 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,240 Well, no, I know that, but okay, I just didn't know it was real place. 258 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:18,240 I thought it was made up for fiction. 259 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,240 Yeah, no worries. 260 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:20,240 Okay. 261 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,680 It is thought that the members of the Tuggy cult in India may have murdered a million 262 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:26,880 people between 1740 and 1840. 263 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,080 That sounds like genocide. 264 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:33,680 With one member, Tug Bram allegedly murdering as many as 931 people. 265 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:34,680 What? 266 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:35,680 Yeah. 267 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:37,320 That does sound like genocide for sure. 268 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:38,320 Right? 269 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:39,320 Yeah. 270 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:40,320 Fuck. 271 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,040 We know the story of Jack the Ripper who has been called the first modern serial killer. 272 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:48,200 He, while not being identified, killed at least five women and possibly more in London 273 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:49,200 in 1888. 274 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,560 If you want to hear more about this, Quill did a great episode on him. 275 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:54,160 Well, kind of. 276 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,680 Another person who Quill did a great episode on is H.H. Holmes. 277 00:13:56,680 --> 00:13:57,680 Maybe they may not be the same person. 278 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:01,800 A serial killer in the US that was responsible for the death of at least nine victims in 279 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,440 the early 1890s. 280 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,640 Fun fact, those people are both talked about on the same episode. 281 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:06,640 Yes. 282 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,760 So if you want to listen to an episode about H.H. Holmes and Jack the Ripper, tune in because 283 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:11,760 that one's a good one. 284 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,560 That one was fun. 285 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:14,560 It was good. 286 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:19,440 Looking at the diagrams, because the diagrams of the house are out there and it's pretty 287 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:20,440 interesting. 288 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:21,440 Like floor plans. 289 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:27,080 We know way more about the 19th, 20th, and 21st century killers than the old ones, but 290 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,240 they have been around for as long as humans have, which is, I mean, that's only a couple 291 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,640 of instances that I could find. 292 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,440 So some common characteristics of serial killers are as follows. 293 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,360 They may exhibit varying degrees of mental illness or a psychopathy, which may contribute 294 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:42,920 to their behavior. 295 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:47,160 A huge number of them exhibit one, two, or all three of the McDonald triad. 296 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,760 We've talked about this in some of our episodes, but those three things are arson at a young 297 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:56,560 age, torturing animals and bedwetting past the age of 12, which I thought it was 10. 298 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,840 They are often abused or were when they were younger emotionally, physically, or sexually 299 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,800 by a family member. 300 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:07,240 They are frequently bullied or socially isolated as children. 301 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,960 They are more likely to engage in fetishism or have a number of paraphilic disorders or 302 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,120 symptoms of. 303 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,280 They have trouble finding or keeping a job and tend to work in mental jobs. 304 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:23,240 They are usually involved in petty crimes at first, such as theft or vandalism. 305 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,920 And although some of them are found out to have really high IQs, it's actually more 306 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,880 common for their IQs to be lower than average. 307 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:30,880 Really? 308 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:31,880 I didn't know that. 309 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:36,000 Yeah, the average IQ of serial killers caught is actually only 94.7. 310 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,000 Of course, there's expectations to this criteria. 311 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,920 Yeah, I wonder if that's why you hear a lot more about, I mean, not only did certain people 312 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:47,440 like Kemper or Bundy or Dahmer, these guys with pretty high IQs. 313 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:53,080 Not only is it that they killed a lot of people, but that they're incredibly intelligent people. 314 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,640 Which I think goes hand in hand with that narcissism potentially, is that it adds to 315 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:01,720 that feeling of being smarter or holier than them now. 316 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:02,720 Superior. 317 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:03,720 Yeah. 318 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,600 So there's actually also been studies that look into the possibility of an abnormality 319 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:12,760 with one's chromosomal makeup leading to the increased risk for becoming a killer. 320 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:18,880 Two well-known serial killers, Bobby Joe Long and Richard Speck, both had chromosomal abnormalities. 321 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:23,120 Bobby had an extra X chromosome, often known as Klinefilter syndrome. 322 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,120 This comes with abnormally small testicles that are poorly functioning. 323 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,480 And Richard was reported to have an extra Y chromosome, also known as Jacob's syndrome, 324 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,200 which can come with an increased risk for learning disabilities and above average growth, 325 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:36,280 like physically. 326 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:41,160 So I think in both of those cases, there's probably a sense of, well, self-consciousness. 327 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,160 Of course. 328 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,200 And what did you say, Bobby Joe Long? 329 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,040 Bobby Joe Long. 330 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,840 But maybe in his case, it might have come along with a paraphilic disorder as well. 331 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:52,840 Oh, absolutely. 332 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:53,840 Yeah, I think so too. 333 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,520 Although they have made attempts to link the chromosomal abnormalities, it's nothing solid. 334 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:58,520 I just thought it was interesting. 335 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,800 Yeah, that is interesting. 336 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:07,440 The FBI's crime classification manual places serial killers into three categories, organized, 337 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,040 disorganized, and mixed. 338 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,120 Just mixed peppered in there. 339 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:16,480 And some killers will go from organized to disorganized as their crimes continue, especially 340 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:23,120 if they're experiencing psychological decompensation or overconfidence due to having invaded capture. 341 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:26,880 On the other hand, some killers will go from disorganized to organized in the case that 342 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:31,280 they identify one or more aspect of killings as their source of gratification and establish 343 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,920 an modus operandi or MO, as we call it. 344 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,120 And so yeah, usually when they hone in on their specific MO, they get more organized. 345 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:40,120 Isn't that interesting? 346 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:41,120 That makes sense. 347 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:43,840 You perpetrate your first crime, it's a little messy because you don't really know what you're 348 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:48,120 doing or what you're after, but then you find certain aspects of it gratify and that's 349 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:55,480 what you stick with. 350 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,080 There's chocolate and then there's lint chocolate. 351 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,000 Chocolate that has a silky smooth and velvety texture has been synonymous with the name 352 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,440 lint since its conception in 1845. 353 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:10,120 Click the link in the show notes to receive free shipping with a $60 purchase. 354 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:20,200 Be part of the lint legacy and grab a bag of their world famous truffles today. 355 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,480 So organized killers are just what they sound like. 356 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,240 They often plan their crimes methodically, usually abducting victims, killing them in 357 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,440 one place and disposing of them in another. 358 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,240 Others specifically target certain populations who are likely to go with a stranger such 359 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,160 as sex workers. 360 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,840 These types of killers usually maintain a high degree of control over the crime scene 361 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,560 and have a lot of knowledge of forensic science that enables them to cover their tracks. 362 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,360 But what about what's his face? 363 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:47,360 Party boy. 364 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:48,360 What was his name? 365 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:49,360 Party boy. 366 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:50,360 Yeah, the guy in the field. 367 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:51,360 The colonel? 368 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:52,360 No, not the colonel. 369 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:55,000 You just, you did it in December. 370 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,960 It was like three episodes, two episodes back. 371 00:18:58,960 --> 00:18:59,960 What? 372 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:00,960 What was his name? 373 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:01,960 The guy on the farm. 374 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:02,960 Willie Picton? 375 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:03,960 Yeah, Picton. 376 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,200 He was not organized at all. 377 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,200 He wasn't. 378 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,080 But, oh, so he's a mix. 379 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:10,080 Yeah. 380 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,080 Yeah, because he, okay. 381 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,080 Yeah, that's right. 382 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,080 I actually didn't even think about him because it's a terrible episode. 383 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,080 I mean, the episode was good. 384 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,080 The story's terrible. 385 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,080 I thought it was interesting. 386 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,080 It was super leather face. 387 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,080 It was weird. 388 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:21,960 Yeah, it definitely was. 389 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:26,360 So whether it's burying the body or putting it in a river or body of water, these killers, 390 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:30,800 the organized ones are usually steps ahead of police at first, even going as far as to 391 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,320 watch the news carefully for coverage of their killings to make sure they know what the police 392 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:36,320 know. 393 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,360 It's their whole life. 394 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:42,400 These types of killers often take great pride in their killings, but also have social and 395 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,000 other interpersonal skills that help them develop personal and even romantic relationships. 396 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,000 Bundy. 397 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,040 More rarely, these killers will even get married and have children. 398 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,520 BTK. 399 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,480 Organized serial killers are also the type to be unknown by friends and family, and in 400 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,760 the event of their capture would most likely be described by acquaintances as kind and 401 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,040 unlikely to hurt anyone. 402 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,440 Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy are perfect examples of organized killers. 403 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,200 I don't even want to put fucking BTK because he's not organized. 404 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,200 Sparky Big Bumpling. 405 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,200 He is bumbling. 406 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,600 He's a mix. 407 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,440 In general, the average IQ of an organized killer is 98.7. 408 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,160 Okay. 409 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,840 Disorganized serial killers are usually extremely impulsive, often committing their crimes with 410 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,720 a random weapon that's readily available. 411 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:31,200 They usually do not make any attempt to hide the body and are likely to be unemployed, 412 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,600 a loner, or both. 413 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,280 Richard Ramirez, those are the sounds like to me. 414 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,960 These types of killers often turn out to have a history of mental illness, and their 415 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:43,760 MO, or lack thereof, is usually marked by excessive violence and sometimes necrophilia 416 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,240 or sexual violence. 417 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,040 Disorganized serial killers have an average IQ of about 89.4. 418 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:55,760 Richard Chase and Alexander Lewis-Ranwell are examples of disorganized killers. 419 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,920 Mixed serial killers have both organized and disorganized traits with an average IQ of 420 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:01,600 100.9. 421 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,760 Although sample sizes for these types of killers are much lower, because usually they fall 422 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,040 into one or the other. 423 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,760 I would suggest that Chris Watts and BTK are both mixed killers. 424 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,800 Yeah, I think I would agree with that. 425 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,040 Chris Watts is definitely- there was no real follow through. 426 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,000 He was not organized in that thinking whatsoever. 427 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,000 Exactly. 428 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:24,840 He was trying to be methodical as he was trying to cover it up, but yeah. 429 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:25,840 Didn't work. 430 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:26,840 Very messy. 431 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,920 Female serial killers are extremely rare compared to male serial killers. 432 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,680 Sources state that female serial killers represent less than one in every six known 433 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,720 serial murders in the US between 1800 and 2004. 434 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,440 Or that around 15% of US serial killers have been women. 435 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:44,840 Well that's interesting, yeah. 436 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,960 Because remember when we covered Eileen Morneau's? 437 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,640 What do you think that Eileen Morneau's would be? 438 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,680 You're so funny, could you keep saying the names I'm about to say? 439 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:52,680 Oh really? 440 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:53,680 Yeah. 441 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,360 And I'll talk a little bit more about that. 442 00:21:55,360 --> 00:22:00,880 Michael D. Kelleher and C.L. Kelleher created several categories to describe female serial 443 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:01,880 killers. 444 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:08,560 These include Black Widow, Angel of Death, Sexual Predator, Revenge, Profit or Crime, 445 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,880 Team Killer, Question of Sanity, Unexplained and Unsolved. 446 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,440 Oh my gosh, that's a lot of categories. 447 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:15,440 Yes. 448 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,400 It's only 15% out of that 15%. 449 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,400 Yeah. 450 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,400 It's not that many categories. 451 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,800 It's like every single woman was something different. 452 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:23,800 Exactly. 453 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:24,800 Exactly. 454 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,640 So in naming these categories, they suggested that most women fell into the categories of 455 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,680 either Black Widow or Team Killer. 456 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:31,680 Interesting, yeah. 457 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:32,680 I can see that. 458 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:33,680 Can in Barbie or something. 459 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:34,680 Mm-hmm. 460 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,800 The term Black Widow can refer to a woman who kills someone she loves or kills on behalf 461 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,800 of someone she loves, such as a spouse or child. 462 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:42,800 Yeah. 463 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,280 Even like a love triangle maybe too, right? 464 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,280 Yeah. 465 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,280 Okay. 466 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,560 Team Killer refers to a woman who kills with a companion, such as a partner or friend. 467 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,840 Although most MOs of female serial killers can include attention seeking, addiction, 468 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,800 or the result of psychopathological behavioral factors, female serial killers are commonly 469 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,720 known to kill men for material gain, usually being emotionally close to their victims and 470 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,640 generally needing to have a relationship with their victim. 471 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,680 The methods of female serial killers are frequently covert or low profile, such as 472 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:18,560 poison, shootings, suffocation, stabbing, and drowning, with the percentages decreased 473 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:23,440 for each of the mentioned methods, so poison's most common, drowning is least common. 474 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,440 Mm-hmm. 475 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,440 And yes, Eileen Warnows. 476 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,440 Yeah. 477 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,880 So, Eileen Warnows, but I feel like she would be a little bit of the revenge category at 478 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,040 first. 479 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:40,920 And then I wonder what the statistics are or what the research might say about women. 480 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,840 In particular, I'm sure men can too, right? 481 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,840 Switch MOs. 482 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,680 Or not, I guess maybe not modus operandi, but their... 483 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:48,680 Motive. 484 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,160 Motive, yeah. 485 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,560 Because then it seemed, for me at least, Eileen Warnows kind of morphed into... 486 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:58,280 There was always that revenge aspect in the background, but some of it was monetary, some 487 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,280 of it was probably because she kind of liked it. 488 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,000 You know, and that she could get away with it, she was getting away with it, you know, 489 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,400 she felt like she was cleansing the earth at a certain point. 490 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,920 Yeah, she might have fit into multiple of those categories that they said. 491 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:12,920 Yeah, that's interesting. 492 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,120 That's a good episode too, y'all should go listen. 493 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:16,120 I love that episode. 494 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:17,120 It's a good one. 495 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:18,120 I might re-listen to it. 496 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:21,520 There's so many things that I forgot about her case, and then I re-listen to it just 497 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,720 a few months back, probably like six or seven months back, and I was like, oh, this is a 498 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:25,720 pretty good episode. 499 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:26,720 I did really well. 500 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,120 I did really well. 501 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:32,360 So juvenile serial killers are even more rare than female serial killers. 502 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:37,040 They are classified in three main categories, such as primary, maturing, and secondary 503 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,280 killers. 504 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,720 Although many juvenile serial killers turn into adults before they're captured, the youngest 505 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,640 felon currently on death row is Harvey Miguel Robinson, who was 17 at the time of his crimes 506 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,760 and 18 at the time of his capture. 507 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:50,960 He was the youngest? 508 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,920 He's the youngest currently on death row. 509 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,400 Oh, and on death row? 510 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,600 Yeah, yeah. 511 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:00,960 The motives of serial killers are generally placed into four categories, visionary, mission 512 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,120 oriented, hedonistic, and power or control. 513 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:09,720 However, the motives of many serial killers can overlap in these categories and fit into 514 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,800 multiple of them. 515 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,000 The visionary killers suffer from psychotic breaks from reality, sometimes believing they 516 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:21,080 are another person or are compelled to murder by entities such as the devil or God, with 517 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,520 the two most common subgroups are demon mandated and God mandated. 518 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,840 So that sounds like Mark David Chapman. 519 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,320 Yep, and David Birkowitz or son of Sam is an example as well. 520 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:39,160 And they had signs of schizophrenia spectrum at a younger age. 521 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,400 Mission oriented killers usually justify their acts of ridding the world of certain types 522 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:48,680 of people perceived as undesirable, such as the homeless, ex-cons, homosexuals, drug 523 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,960 users, prostitutes, or people of a different ethnicity or religion. 524 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,840 That's a direct quote. 525 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,720 The difference between these types of killers and visionary is that mission oriented killers 526 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,480 are typically not psychotic. 527 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,640 An example of a mission oriented killer would be Elliot Roger, because he wanted to rid 528 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,720 the world of the popular women. 529 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,280 The popular crew and women. 530 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,280 Yeah, he hated women. 531 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,520 Yeah, I would also, there was another one that you said towards the end though that 532 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:19,480 he might be, I think, slightly, which was the power and control. 533 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,480 Power and control. 534 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,480 Yeah, for sure. 535 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,160 See, they could overlap as well. 536 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,880 Well, same thing with Eric Harris and Dylan Cleeble too. 537 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,480 Heed and mystic killers seek thrills and derive pleasure and satisfaction from killing, as 538 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,480 well as seeing people as expendable means to this goal. 539 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,320 Psychotic psychologists have identified three subtypes of hedonistic killers as lust, thrill, 540 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,960 and comfort. 541 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,880 Sex is the primary motive for lust killers, whether or not the victims are dead, and fantasy 542 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,800 plays a large role in their killings. 543 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,800 This type of sexual serial killer has a psychological need to have absolute control, dominance and 544 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,800 power over their victims, and the inflection of torture, pain, and ultimately death is 545 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,800 an attempt to fulfill their need. 546 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:01,800 Paul Bernardo? 547 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,320 Robert Berdella is who I put it as. 548 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,320 Oh, Robert Berdella. 549 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,320 Yeah. 550 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,480 The primary motive of a thrill killer is to induce pain and terror on their victims, providing 551 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,520 excitement for the killer. 552 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,960 Usually their victims are strangers, although the killer may have followed them for a period 553 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,160 of time. 554 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,560 Many of these killers attempt to commit the perfect crime and believe that they will not 555 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:20,560 be caught. 556 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,760 Do you think you know who I put for that? 557 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,200 Well, I just can't stop thinking about Paul Bernardo. 558 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,480 He used to follow those girls from the bus stop. 559 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,520 And he was like, yeah, I'm this Garzboro rapist. 560 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,000 Like, what are you going to do about it? 561 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,840 Catch me if you can. 562 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,840 I put Laurence Bittaker and Roy Norris, aka the Toolbox Killers, they were all about, 563 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,000 like they recorded because they wanted to replay the sounds of terror. 564 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,000 Yeah, that's true. 565 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,720 It's awful. 566 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,000 Comfort killers seek material gain and a comfortable lifestyle as their motive. 567 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:56,000 Usually the victims are close acquaintances and family members, or and or family members. 568 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,480 After a murder, this type of killer will wait a little while to ensure they got away with 569 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,440 it before killing again. 570 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,240 They most often use poison to kill their victims. 571 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,280 So I put Dorothea Puente and Diane Souty as examples of this type of killer. 572 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,280 Diane Souty. 573 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,000 Because she waited on purpose. 574 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,000 She did. 575 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,600 A power or control killer's motive for killing is to gain and exert power over their victims. 576 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,600 These killers are typically abused as children, leaving them with feelings of inadequacy and 577 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,960 powerlessness as adults. 578 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,160 Many power control killers sexually abuse their victims, but they differ from hedonistic 579 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:33,480 killers in that sexual assault is not motivated by lust, but simply another form of dominating 580 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,880 the victim. 581 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,280 I believe that Jeffrey Dahmer would fall into this category. 582 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,160 Yeah, he definitely wanted to have power and control over people. 583 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,680 Yeah, and it wasn't solely sexual. 584 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,600 He wanted a puppet almost. 585 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,600 He did, yeah. 586 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,760 And that's what gave him the gratification, was the power and control first. 587 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,480 Yes, for sure. 588 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:56,200 So there are a few theories that people believe may be the biological and sociological reasons 589 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,200 behind people becoming serial killers. 590 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,360 The first one is called Fractured Identity Syndrome, or FIS. 591 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,120 This is a combination of Charles Cooley's Looking Glass Self and Irving Goffman's virtual 592 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,440 and actual social identity theories. 593 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,600 So the Fraction Identity Syndrome suggests that a social event or series of events during 594 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,720 one's childhood results in a fracturing of the personality of the person. 595 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,760 The term fracture is defined as a small breakage of the personality, which is not often visible 596 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,720 to the outside world and is only felt by the killer. 597 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,560 I think that's honestly kind of scary because it seems like there's literally no one has 598 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,560 control over that. 599 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,520 It can kind of happen if the kid takes something the wrong way over and over. 600 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:43,000 However, it may also explain why some people don't have any specific known hardships in 601 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,880 childhood and it seems like they just snap sometimes. 602 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,880 That's true, you know. 603 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,160 We have seen a lot of cases like that too. 604 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,160 Yes. 605 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,800 The social process theory, or SPT, has also been suggested as an explanation for serial 606 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:55,800 killings. 607 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,520 SPT states that offenders may turn to crime due to exposed peer pressure, family and 608 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,520 friends. 609 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:06,720 SPT also states that criminal behavior is a process of interaction with social institutions 610 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,480 in which everyone has the potential for criminal behavior. 611 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,240 A lack of family structure and identity could also be a cause leading to serial murder traits. 612 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,760 As a child used as a scapegoat will inevitably be deprived of their capacity to feel guilt. 613 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:20,960 That's interesting. 614 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,960 This displaced anger can result in animal torture and then a further base lack of basic 615 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:25,960 identity. 616 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:26,960 Yeah. 617 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,400 Lay on the animal torture absolutely could be another part of that control. 618 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,400 It's like, it's helpless. 619 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,400 It's harmless. 620 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,920 It can't do anything really to me. 621 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:34,920 It is. 622 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,600 Lastly, the military theory has been proposed as an explanation for why serial killers 623 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,640 kill, as some serial murderers have served in the military or related fields. 624 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,000 There are two theories that can be used to study the correlation between serial killing 625 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,920 and military training. 626 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,200 Applied learning theory and social learning theory. 627 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,720 Applied learning theory states that serial killing can be learned as the military is 628 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,120 training for higher kill rates from a serviceman while simultaneously training the soldiers 629 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,940 to be desensitized to taking human life. 630 00:31:04,940 --> 00:31:08,640 Social learning theory is applied when a soldier gets praised and ultimately accommodated 631 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:09,640 for killing. 632 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,120 That's Timothy McVeigh. 633 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,120 Yeah. 634 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,920 Due to this they learn or believe that they learn that it's acceptable to kill because 635 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,960 they were once praised for it. 636 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,640 These theories obviously don't imply that military institutions make a deliberate effort 637 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,120 to produce serial killers. 638 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,120 Yeah. 639 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,840 Even the cards unfortunately line up terribly. 640 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:27,840 It can happen. 641 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,800 I think even Timothy McVeigh did say that it bothered him. 642 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,040 That he said, remember he talked about there was a man there and then there was just red 643 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,680 mist and that he was praised for it and he got a medal for it or something and that he 644 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,680 was disturbed by that. 645 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,040 That's part of the reason that he left. 646 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,800 Maybe not necessarily in this case. 647 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:45,800 For sure. 648 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,000 That's the whole sole reason that a lot of these guys go into the military is because 649 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,560 they want to know what it feels like. 650 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:51,560 Yeah. 651 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,320 They want to know what it feels like legally. 652 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,040 In 2008, the FBI produced a handbook entitled Serial Murder, which was the product of that 653 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,560 symposium in San Antonio in 2005. 654 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,840 According to the FBI, identifying one or multiple murders as being the work of a serial killer 655 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,560 is the first challenge they face when beginning an investigation. 656 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,800 The FBI also suggests utilizing databases and increasing departments working together 657 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,520 in order to get the best chance at catching serial killers sooner rather than later. 658 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,000 Unfortunately, on a smaller scale, we've seen many cases when law enforcement from different 659 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,840 counties, cities, states, and especially countries are unwilling to work with each other in the 660 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,840 initial stages of an investigation. 661 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,840 That's true. 662 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,760 I feel like sometimes maybe they don't know, but once they... 663 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,680 I mean, I would just think that if there was something happening like that, I was like, 664 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,560 this can't be the only area that this person is operating for sure. 665 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,920 So I have some gruesome facts about serial killers. 666 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,000 Now that I've covered the history, that's all I have for the history. 667 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,120 But I have some gruesome facts if anyone's interested. 668 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,120 I'm interested. 669 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,120 Okay, cool. 670 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,120 I figured you would. 671 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,120 I'll talk for everyone. 672 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,120 Okay. 673 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,640 Number one, in the Zhongliang Casey case, there were so many bodies crammed underneath 674 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,680 the house that the bodies melted together and the bones had to be sorted for more than 675 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,720 two years to complete the skeletons. 676 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:08,720 What? 677 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,720 I know. 678 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:10,720 And most of these, I was like, what? 679 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,120 Well, wait, didn't he put lye on top of them? 680 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,120 Yeah. 681 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,120 That might be why. 682 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,120 Oh, yeah. 683 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,720 Because it's sort of decomposing or whatever and melting into each other. 684 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:19,720 Right. 685 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:20,720 Okay, number two. 686 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,720 Number two. 687 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:22,720 Number two. 688 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:23,720 You're doing it. 689 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:24,720 That was great. 690 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,800 Peewee Gaskins, the most prolific serial killer in South Carolina, drove around in a hearse 691 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:34,280 with a bumper sticker that stated, quote, I haul dead people, end quote. 692 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,040 He told others that he needed to take the bodies of people he killed to his private 693 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,040 cemetery. 694 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,040 Okay. 695 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,720 He bought a fucking hearse. 696 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,240 That sounds like a case we should tackle. 697 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,240 Yeah, it is. 698 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,240 Definitely should. 699 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,240 I would have put it on my list. 700 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,240 That sounds ridiculous. 701 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,240 Yeah. 702 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,240 Number three. 703 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,240 Number three. 704 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,240 Hey. 705 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,920 Jeffrey Dahmer gave the people in his apartment building sandwiches that could have possibly 706 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,240 been made from his victim's flesh. 707 00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,240 No. 708 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,240 Yeah. 709 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,240 No. 710 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,240 Yep. 711 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,520 And at one point, he had so many bodies in his apartment that he ran out of room and 712 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,480 had to store one in the bathtub. 713 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:12,120 He would proceed to shower over the corpse every day for a month. 714 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,920 I didn't see that in my research. 715 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,160 I saw it in mine. 716 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,160 Isn't that terrifying? 717 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,160 Terrifying. 718 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,160 Gross. 719 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,680 That shows how out of touch with reality he was. 720 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:30,680 That's like, do you ever go to somebody's house and it really smells like a dog and 721 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,040 like they don't know? 722 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,040 Yeah. 723 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,040 And it just smells. 724 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,240 It's like you go smell blind. 725 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:38,440 But for him, it's body blind. 726 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,440 Blind blind. 727 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,440 Okay. 728 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,440 Okay. 729 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,440 Number four. 730 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,440 Number five. 731 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:49,040 I think we might have said this once before on the podcast, but if not, I wanted a pepper 732 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,040 in here. 733 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,280 The hillside stranglers once picked up a young woman to murder, but after finding out that 734 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,560 her father was Peter Lor, they let her go because they feared that killing a celebrity's 735 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,480 daughter would draw too much attention to them. 736 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:01,480 I don't know who that is. 737 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:02,480 He's like an actor. 738 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:03,480 I don't know who he is. 739 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,480 Peter Lor. 740 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,480 Yeah. 741 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,480 Googling. 742 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,480 L-O-R-R-E. 743 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,440 So Peter Lor is an actor. 744 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,560 He's an older actor. 745 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,360 He was born in 1904. 746 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,360 Get this though. 747 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,480 You said that they didn't kill his daughter. 748 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,480 That's the only child he has. 749 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,480 Could you imagine? 750 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,480 Oh gosh, it's awful. 751 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,480 Yeah. 752 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,480 He's only ever had one child. 753 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:25,480 Dang. 754 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,480 That's nuts. 755 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,480 That's crazy. 756 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,480 All right. 757 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:29,480 Number five. 758 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:30,480 Number five. 759 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,480 You're going to hate this. 760 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:32,480 Oh, great. 761 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,480 I can't wait. 762 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,160 Apparently still to this day, BTK makes people fill out an application if they want to write 763 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,160 him in prison. 764 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,160 Fill it out. 765 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,160 Fill this out. 766 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,160 Fill it out. 767 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,160 Fill it out. 768 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,160 Put your shoes size. 769 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,160 Yeah. 770 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,160 Yeah. 771 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,160 Fill it out. 772 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,160 Hold it right there. 773 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,160 Similarly. 774 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,160 Hold it right there. 775 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,160 Hold it right there. 776 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,920 Similarly, number six is if you wrote John Wayne Gacy while he was in prison, he would 777 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,840 send you back a questionnaire to see if you were good enough to be friends with him. 778 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,880 Aw, but remember I did that one mental breakdown with it. 779 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:03,880 It was the couple. 780 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:04,880 Yeah. 781 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:05,880 The Dickensons. 782 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:06,880 Dickens-Dickens-Dickensons. 783 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,920 Yeah, they were friends with Gacy. 784 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:10,920 Remember? 785 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:11,920 Yeah. 786 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,920 I think his name was Frank. 787 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:13,920 I don't want to be friends with Gacy. 788 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:14,920 Barbara is not alive. 789 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:15,920 Yeah. 790 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:16,920 All right. 791 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,680 The final tidbit interesting grotesque fact. 792 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,880 Are you ready? 793 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,640 Jeffrey Nommer did not eat people with tattoos because he said that the ink on their skin 794 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,520 made it taste weird. 795 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,440 Love you, bye. 796 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,440 Love you, bye. 797 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,440 Yeah. 798 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,440 That's awful. 799 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,920 Made it taste weird. 800 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:40,920 I need to get more tattoos. 801 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,920 No, honestly. 802 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:42,920 I'm like, can I finish? 803 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:43,920 Straight up. 804 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:44,920 I should finish my arm. 805 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,920 I think I have a tattoo on each limb, so I'm good. 806 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:47,920 I'm good. 807 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:48,920 Yes, but that's my case. 808 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:49,920 That was good. 809 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:50,920 I like that. 810 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:51,920 Thanks. 811 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:52,920 Very informative. 812 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:53,920 I appreciate it. 813 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,920 Yeah. 814 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:55,920 That's some good detail. 815 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,240 We are glad to have you guys back with us for our third year in a row and we cannot 816 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:02,640 wait to see what this year has in store for us. 817 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,360 We're super, super excited about the podcast festival in July. 818 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,760 That's going to be so much fun and we cannot wait to see you guys out there in Denver. 819 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,240 It's going to be so fun. 820 00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:14,760 In the meantime, we're going to continue to release our handmade merch items. 821 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,320 We have different details and designs that we're working up that we're going to submit 822 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,960 onto the 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