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We love you. Bye. Yes. So a lot to unpack here. So Tyler Hadley was born on
December 16th, 1993 to parents Blake and Mary Jo Hadley. 1993? Yes.
Faisy. Yeah. There is very little known about Tyler's childhood because a lot of
other things kind of outshadow or outshine, excuse me, like his childhood
because there's a lot that went on here. But it did show that he had one older
brother by the name of Ryan. He was either born in the late 80s or early 90s.
I couldn't really tell. Some sources indicate that he had a younger brother
too, but you only hear about him like once and then you don't hear about him
again. So I don't know if it was just like a typo that I read that he had a
younger brother instead of an older brother. Yeah. Or maybe he had a respect for a
minor. Yeah, for sure. It didn't pertain to the case. Yeah. Yeah. Father Blake worked
as a watch engineer while Mother Mary Jo was an elementary school teacher. In
93 was a watch engineer. I guess people still were wearing watches. No, he was an
engine. A watch engineer. Oh, not an actual watch engineer. It's like, it's so funny.
It's like someone that inspects like things in a power plant that like break.
It's like a stationary engineer. It's just like another name. He wasn't like a
watch technician. He didn't like unscrew the tiny bolts on watches. He's a watchmaker?
That's interesting. He made watches. That's so funny. In 93. Oh, Jesus. He started off strong. So strong.
Tyler was born in Florida in a little town by the name of Port St. Lucy. And
when Tyler was born, he weighed just three pounds, ten ounces. It's a little thing.
Yes. This required him to stay in the hospital for an entire month after being
born because he needed to be in an incubator. Like a little egg? Like a little, yeah.
Yeah. Over the years of his childhood, Tyler would be described by family
members in multiple different ways. They would call him loving but withdrawn,
keeping to himself, and suffering from maybe anxiety, depression, bulimia, and
low self-esteem. Oh my gosh. We had a bunch of things going on. Due to these
many things that Tyler had been experiencing, he would often begin a
hobby, project, or sports team only to quit shortly after. You think it was like a
lack of confidence? Yeah, I think so for sure. Or maybe just lack of interest. Or
just motivation in general. Yeah. At one point, he wanted to try to learn to play
drums and the trombone, but soon after starting them, he would ultimately quit,
stating that he, quote, was a step below everyone else, end quote. That's according
to his grandmother. At the young age of 10, Tyler was being treated by medical
professionals for many different things. These included things like acne, all the
way to depression, and even growth hormones. Hmm. Since he was a preemie, his
mom actually took growth hormones herself, and so she gave him to him at a
young age as well, because she didn't want him to be underdeveloped physically.
Was that on her own volition? You're saying that a doctor prescribed that though?
Yeah, so doctor prescribed that, yeah. So it is known at this point as well that
Tyler had a thyroid problem that kept him from growing at a normal rate, so that
also makes sense. By the ages of around 11 to 13, Tyler was known to have been
quite the troublemaker. He would draw all over public bathrooms with Sharpie, break
windows on neighbors' homes and things in their yards, steal Christmas lights, paint
on neighbors' cars with shoe paint, and set small fires in the woods that would
usually ignite into larger brush fires. Interesting. Is this like a defiance
disorder? It kind of seems like a conduct, almost, conduct disorder. Although Tyler
was getting help for various things at this time, his mental health was still
kind of getting pushed to the side. It was more so like physical things. Yeah,
they were focusing on the acne and the, yeah, yeah. Well, and then the
outrageous behavior was seems like outrageous behavior for sure. At the
young age of 12, Tyler was engaging in alcohol consumption, and by the age of
15, he was taking Xanax, Percocet, Oxycodone, and Ecstasy, and DMT by the
age of 16. Oh my god, so much. It's so much for that little brain, you know. Yeah,
especially an underdeveloped brain like it. Yeah, but someone that, you know, has
experienced difficulties from being a preemie. Yeah, definitely. Due to his
extreme drug use and criminal behavior, Tyler was detained multiple times for
arson, vandalism, theft, and aggravated battery, but due to his age, he was usually
turned loose shortly after being arrested. Oh no. Yeah, I mean, it's like
escalating. Like, you know, it's probably like really petty things in the
beginning, and then it gets like worse and worse. You would think that the pattern
itself would be concerning enough to make him serve a little bit of time.
Exactly. Tyler's parents were extremely worried about his mental health,
stating that they believed his mind had been overtaken with depression. They
seemed to be much more concerned, however, with his drug use, and they would
enroll him in an outpatient facility when he was 17. This would prove
unsuccessful, and since Tyler was not yet an adult, he was unable to
enroll in an inpatient facility. I see. His parents had made the decision that
when Tyler turned 18, they were going to have him in an inpatient facility.
Although he's 18, they were kind of telling him like, no, like, as soon as you
can, like, we're getting you in there. Tyler had also admitted at this point
that he had been having violent fantasies that included murder for many
years prior. He would later speak with a psychiatrist about the idea that killing
his parents would solve all of his problems and bring him a sense of relief.
He would state about this quote, I was probably mad about getting in trouble
and everything that was going on. The murderous thoughts started a little bit,
but increased in frequency, became an obsession that I couldn't get out of my
mind. Pretty intense. I thought about it every day, end quote. That's interesting
that I guess it wouldn't be a reportable thing, would it, if he had been going to
a therapist saying that he felt like harming someone else? I don't think he
said like, you essentially have to have like a plan in place to harm someone or
yourself in order for it to break confidentiality. I see. If you say like
you're just thinking about it, then it's still under confidentiality.
Tyler would also comment on a quote, movie in my head, end quote, and told, that
told him to kill his parents and then kill himself using carbon monoxide in the
garage. Well there's planning. Yeah exactly, this is just told me to do this.
Well rather than go through with his plan, Tyler decided that he was gonna
throw a huge house party when his parents were out of town. He's like, I'm just gonna do a thing.
I know this story! Oh my god! Did you just realize who I'm talking to? I know this story!
Okay, thank you Sarah. In June of 2011, a 17 year old Tyler came home
extremely intoxicated and according to Mary Jo, he stated that he had urinated
on one of his friend's beds. Following this, Mary Jo enrolled Tyler in daily
counseling, the same outpatient treatment we spoke about earlier. Around this same
time, Mary Jo would vent with her co-workers about her struggles with
Tyler's behaviors. One co-worker would ask Mary Jo if she thought that Tyler
would ever hurt her and Mary Jo responded no, that she was only worried
that he might try to hurt himself. Mary Jo had also suffered from depression and
it was quite clear that her son had inherited the gene from her. So she was
probably pretty understanding about it. Yeah of course. After one of his arrests
for drugs, Mary Jo would confiscate Tyler's phone and following this, Tyler
would send a Facebook message to a friend by the name of Isadora Gasko. So we're
gonna try something a little bit different because there's a lot of back
and forth in this episode of like Tyler talking to different people. So I've
made up transcripts and I'm giving you yours and you're gonna be the other
person. I'm gonna be Tyler because it's gonna be so much easier than me
trying to like go back and forth and say their names before the quotes. Yeah
for sure. Okay so these are all quotes and this is the first transcript. Well I
say transcript but first interaction. Again this is a Facebook message between
Tyler and his friend Isadora and I'm gonna start it. Don't text me about drugs.
My mom has... oh by the way I'm Tyler.
Okay so here we go. I'm Tyler. Okay. Don't text me about drugs. What happened? My
mom has it because I got arrested on Monday and she's flipping shit. I just
got out today. Oh shit. Fucking shit sucked in all caps. You bad kid. Just kidding.
It's a pirate's life for me. That's what he said. There's a long pause. She does not
respond. Okay I'm done with all the nautical nonsense Isadora Gashko.
Smiley face. You're so silly. What are you doing? Nothing. Considering suicide.
Why? Because I want to die I guess. And a quote. I know it's not fucked up. So that
was how that message went between his friend and him and his friend. I'm trying
not to make it sound so... Voice actor-y. Right but I mean at the same time like
she says what happened not like what happened. Yeah no I made sure to put
like all of the incorrect verbage in there. Oh shit and then she said you bad kid
with like double D and then you're so silly and then why was all like three
questions. Yeah it's okay you can read it how you want. I'm sure that the listeners
will like the voices. No. Tyler goes on to tell Isadora that he drinks to
excess because it quote fills the emptiness inside me and a quote and
that quote all my smiles are fake and quote. Despite his daily counseling
sessions like I said prior the treatment did not work for Tyler
although he was able to fool his mother slightly for a while. Meanwhile Tyler is
going around telling everybody that he knows about this party that he's gonna
throw once his parents go out of town. On July 2nd 2011 another Facebook message
was sent from Tyler to one of his friends Mercedes Marco about the fact
that Mary Jo had taken his phone away. This is the second transcript. Me, Tyler.
LOL yep she's a cunt for show I might kill her. Oh my god no jail or I mean
prison LOL. Oh well. Hart. That's it. He did not. Yeah. I'm not reading these early by
the way. Okay I hope not. I'm not. I don't want to ruin it for myself. No I don't want to ruin it for myself because that was
that was intense. That was intense. Well you don't have my part of the
transcript on purpose because I didn't want you to see the whole thing and then
you're like what the fuck you know. I know I like it. Two weeks prior to the
party Mary Jo had told her friends that Tyler quote was over the hurdle and
quote and she quote really felt that he was back to himself and quote. Do you
think that not to speculate too early but do you think there's some bipolar in
here or maybe with her up and down no with him. Yeah potentially. He seems very
up and down like he's okay for a little bit and then he spirals. Yeah okay for a
little bit and then he spirals. Well I think I don't know if it maybe there's
not really any routine here either. That's true yeah. The weekend before the party
was supposed to happen Tyler joined his father and grandfather on a trip to
Georgia for a family reunion. Tyler's grandfather stated about this visit
quote it was a time for us to enjoy family from Indiana, Minnesota and Florida.
I didn't see any indication there were any problems between Tyler and his
parents and quote. The night before the party Tyler and his parents stopped at
a gas station after an out in the evening out at dinner and Tyler ran into a
friend of his by the name of Cameron Adams. Cameron asked Tyler how his
parents were doing to which Tyler responded quote oh they're all right
end quote. Cameron mentioned that it was his birthday to which Tyler stated quote
happy birthday come to my house tomorrow I'm having a party we'll celebrate end
quote. So he's still planning on this party? Yes he's trying he's trying to
tell his friends that he's working on convincing his parents that he'll be fine
alone when if like telling them to go out of town he'll be fine by himself. I
see okay yeah. Although many people in school had heard about the party not a
lot of them believed that it was actually gonna happen. Tyler had never
had so much as a get-together at his home in the past and his parents recent
strictness towards him was something that was known so it was not likely that
they're gonna let him leave him home alone. And how old is he at this point? 17.
17 okay. When his friends asked if the party was still on Tyler replied quote
I'm working on it end quote which told his friends that it was most likely off.
Hmm. At 11 25 a.m. on Saturday July 16th 2011 Tyler received a Facebook message
from his friend Antonio Ramirez. This is transcript number three. Oh wait where are
we at? Tyler, Sup bruh. So then what's you doing tonight? Trying to have a party at
my crib. Your parents ain't home. Nope. Well they're leaving soon. A few hours
prior to this Facebook exchange Tyler had reached out to another friend of his
by the name of Matthew Noble around 940 a.m. This is transcript four. Did you do
it? No but I'm gonna bet. You really should now do it. Don't worry I am then
I'm having a party. Yeah party time and then he uses a term racial slur. Okay so
where was I? At 1 15 p.m. on the same day Tyler posted a status on his Facebook
quote party at my crib tonight dot dot dot maybe end quote. Due to this message
his friends were pretty convinced that Tyler was unable to convince them his
parents that he would be okay home alone excuse me. At 8 15 p.m. the same day so
July 16th Tyler posted another status quote party at my house HMU end quote.
What's HMU? I was seriously gonna like jokingly explain what HMU meant and then
I was cracking up cuz you just like for those LDs that's me HMU. I was like HMU oh
yeah hit me up. Although he posted this extra status his friends still did not
believe he was throwing a party. One of Tyler's friends by the name of Ashley
Hayes messaged him quote whoa what what if your parents came home end quote to
which Tyler replied quote they won't trust me end quote. That's so yucky yeah
I don't like the way that feels. I know. Although the party was announced for hours
that day it did not truly begin until around 11 30 p.m. when a classmate of
Tyler's named Mike Young arrived with ten or so of his friends. Mike did not
know Tyler personally but the tall skinny and nearly six foot Tyler was
easily recognizable by his classmates. Tyler didn't mind that people were
showing up at his house that he didn't know as he just wanted to throw a giant
party. Yeah he didn't care. Tyler was known around school as quiet almost
nonverbal sometimes but occasionally prone to sudden outbursts in class. Hmm
his close friends were all drug users pot smokers and usually kept to
themselves. Mike would typically not seek out a friendship with these types of
people but in high school a party is a party no matter who's throwing it right.
So true. I went to a high school party with Cameron ones and I was like 19 and
I was like this is dumb. And then the cops came and I was like I'm not drinking
or smoking like there's no reason for me to be scared of the cops but
everybody was jumping over the fences and stuff. Oh yeah that was the move. Oh no.
Well now that I'm almost 30 I'm like can someone please have a house party like I
don't want to go to the bar. And by house party I mean six of your closest friends.
No actually it will play like tappel or like heads up or something. Categories.
So yeah Mike typically wouldn't hang out with these kind of people but he's like
a party's a party right. On top of this the little town of Port St. Lucy was
usually a quiet boring town according to its residents so a party was extremely
exciting to a lot of young kids around town. That makes sense. Tyler would answer
the door of the home in a large t-shirt black pants and Nike's and he seemed as
though he was very anxious. Although he had previously taken three ex-sissy pills
the anxiety was extremely apparent as was the fact that he was rolling. Tyler
stated almost immediately upon the friend's arrival quote I don't want no
one smoke it inside it's my parents house. Okay. Before he knew it Tyler had
nearly 60 people in his parents home most of them not even knowing who Tyler
was. That's a lot of people. It is a lot of people. The party guests would quickly
take advantage of the fact that they did not know the host and rummage through
the kitchen throw empties in the backyard and we're spilling and breaking drinks
in the living room laughing about it each time. I would hate that. Which is so
disrespectful. Yeah. Tyler did not seem too concerned with the house
getting trashed however but instead he was worried about how loud the party was.
So he didn't really care. He was like do whatever you want but like be quiet. But
don't get the cops called. The last thing he wanted was the attention of the
neighbors or police clearly because the majority of the people there were under
age. Yeah. Makes sense. Tyler would tell people that we're going outside to smoke
quote actually just stay in the house you can smoke inside I don't care. So after
a while he was like it's not worth you all being loud outside. Exactly. Mike was
talking with some girls on the couch at one point when a very drunk skater kid
who seemed to be one of Tyler's friends stumbled over. Transcript 5. Oh. And the
skater kid. S. Skater. I smell dead people. What's that supposed to mean? Oh I don't
know. Some people are smoking that's all. Alright dude whatever. The skater dude
wandered off after this laughing. Following this conversation a large crowd
had gathered around the beer pong table close to where the family computer was.
On the computer kids were taking turns playing music on YouTube. The computer
area was noticeably extremely filthy and notably more dirty than the rest of the
home but the kids didn't really seem to notice or they just maybe didn't look
close enough. Okay I'm gonna ask you why but I'm sure you'll tell me. Yeah for
sure. Eventually. A party goer by the name of Jose Arrazo a soft-spoken 17 year
old was playing beer pong when he overheard someone say quote oh he killed
his parents end quote. Everyone laughed and Jose was able to brush it off
actually winning 15 consecutive games of beer pong after that. Dang. He didn't
want to fucking move. No. I'm staying here. Although it was brushed off people did
keep asking Tyler where his parents were. He told the kid by the name of Ryan
they went to Orlando while telling another quote they don't live here this is
my house end quote. Another party goer by the name of Mark Andrews had met
Tyler 11 years prior when his family had moved to Port St. Lucie. Tyler and Mark's
brothers were friends and the families had lived down the street from each
other so they had known each other for a while and this guy Mark was actually
21. Okay. When Tyler was 10 years old he showed
about Mark's home after a fight with his mother.
He told Mark that he was going to kill his parents one day and Mark said that
all parents made their kids mad. The boys laughed it off and it didn't really
get brought back up. At the party Tyler told Mark that his
parents went to Georgia. Another of Tyler's friends by the name of
Marky Phillips actually missed the party due to him being out of town that
weekend but he had hung out with Tyler two days prior to the party.
He stated later that Tyler had quote, seemed pretty fine,
end quote, the night they hung out but two weeks prior to that they had also
hung out. Marky said that the two had been hanging out normally when Tyler
blurted out in the middle of a conversation that he quote, wanted to
kill his parents and have a big party after end quote. Marky responded with
quote, that's crazy, end quote, when he thought that Tyler was trying to make a
joke and unfortunately nobody would ever take
Tyler seriously when he talked of killing his parents.
This is a lot. It is. Oh my gosh and especially since it's like
not even being hidden. Yeah exactly. It's like I mean I know we talk
about Andre Thomas all the time but Andre Thomas was literally like I'm
going to do this. Yeah. I'm going to do this. It's happening. I'm going to do this
and nobody listened. By midnight at the Hadley residence there were over 100
party goers in attendance. Two dogs had also been at the party as well.
Tyler's invited. Well Tyler had a black lab named Sophie and there was an old
partially blind Beagle. I couldn't find the name of the dog. The Beagle.
I'm going to call her Blanche. Right. At one point Sophie, so Tyler's dog was
unable to be found but the Beagle was found hiding under the bed of Tyler's
older brother's old bedroom. Okay. The room was notably much more
disastrous than the rest of the home. I guess the owner went to find him and was
like this room is like a wreck but it seemed like no one from the party had
been in there. Yeah. So they were like what the heck. It was just like strewn about
or whatever after. Yeah. Clothes were strewn all over the room. The
bed frame was cracked and the whole place looked kind of like ransacked.
Huh. Yeah. Very strange. The Beagle would later be found cowering
in the shower of a bathroom in a different area of the home.
So I don't know if you get what I'm saying but dogs can sense things. Sense weird things.
Yeah. Around 1230 the party was running low on alcohol.
So Tyler had asked Mark Andrew's girlfriend Ashley Jerseman to drive him to
the gas station a few blocks away. Mark is the old friend. Right.
Mark tagged along as well and when they arrived to the gas station Tyler gave
Mark a wad of 20s and asked him to get him four cases of beer.
I think that the 20s might have come from the bedroom. That's why I think that was
mentioned like his brother's bedroom. It was ransacked. I don't know. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. While Mark was in the store Tyler mentioned to Ashley that his
father had died. Ashley did not know Tyler very well but she
assumed that Tyler just meant his father had died several years ago. Yeah.
When they arrived back at the home Tyler ran into a friend by the name of Anthony
Snook when he showed up around 1245. Someone had texted Anthony that the
party was quote the biggest thing ever end quote.
Anthony approached Tyler stating to him quote thanks for throwing this party man.
How have you been? End quote. Tyler responded in a flat voice quote.
All right. End quote. Anthony knew Tyler as a kid who was usually quiet but able
to laugh at his own jokes and be kind of silly at other times.
So it struck Anthony as kind of odd that Tyler was extremely calm despite like
the chaos of the party. He thought he would be like really enjoying himself.
Yeah. That's really interesting because I bet he probably thought he would be
enjoying himself but there's like so much in his head.
Yeah. For sure. That it's just he might as well be on an island.
Uh-huh. Ugh. Just at this moment Tyler spotted another kid who had taken his
shirt off and ran out of the house screaming. Oh no.
This kid returned shortly after with a mailbox on his head screaming whoo.
Oh my god that sounds like uh when was that project X. Yeah.
At least in the same thing. Tyler asked the kid quote where the
fuck did you get that end quote to which the kid replied quote I took it off the
neighbor's lawn end quote probably just like that. Yeah.
At this point the previously calm Tyler started yelling
screaming that stealing a mailbox was a felony and that the police were sure to
be called. It's fair. Meanwhile Anthony Snook had
tried to enter the master bedroom but realized that it was locked.
He figured people were smoking in there so he tried to push the door open
despite the lock with no luck. It was dark in the house but Anthony
noticed about a foot long smear beneath the door
that he described as like an oil-based paint stain that looked like someone had
tried to like wipe it away. Hmm. Yeah. One kid who arrived around
1 15 a.m. by the alias of Justin Wright stated that the first thing he noticed
when he entered the home was the stench. He said it smelled like sweaty clothes
that had been around for too long. Ew. He also commented that the place was a wreck.
The previously white floor tiles were filthy among with many other disgusting
parts of the home. This is also 1 15 and there's a hundred people in this house.
Yeah. They probably all smell like sweaty teenagers. Yeah exactly.
Seeing the condition of the home Justin asked Tyler if there were any rules of
the party. Tyler responded quote just do whatever you want
end quote. He said we're gonna burn this mother down.
Yeah well project X actually burned the house down.
As Mark Andrews the guy who he and his girlfriend took Tyler to the gas station
and one of his oldest friends were leaving the party Tyler asked if they
could speak privately. Tyler went outside and told the kid
standing there to get back inside so that his neighbors wouldn't call the cops.
Once everyone was inside Tyler turned to Mark. Transcript 6.
Oh let me get there. Okay. Tyler. Dude I did some things. I might go to
prison. I might go away for life. I don't know dude I'm freaking out right now.
What are you talking about? Dude I know you're not gonna believe me.
No one will believe me. I freaking killed somebody. Dude are you killing someone?
Is your own business. Don't be telling me that sort of thing. I don't need to know.
Smart kid. Hell yeah. I'd be like I don't see shit. Like a smart man because he's
21. Following this conversation Tyler returned
inside and ran into 18 year old Ricardo Acevedo. The two had met that night.
Transcript 7. Thanks for having us over and thanks for the beer.
I just wanted to do something fun before I left. Why where are you going?
I'm gonna kill myself. Why would you do that?
Because I did something really bad. What'd you do? It can't be that bad.
Don't worry. If I get caught I'll be in jail a long time.
I know it's very eerie but again way easier than me trying to say this person
said this and then this person said this and then this person said this. Oh it's so much easier.
In his bedroom Tyler came across 20 year old Kimberly Thebin.
This girl was known around town as K-Nasty and I had to put that in there
because it's a hilarious K-Nasty and I might start going by that.
Just K-Nasty. K-Nasty on the weekends.
So K-Nasty and Tyler were close friends as she lived on the street.
He told her upon seeing her quote I'm going away for 60 years
and quote like 60. Did you do the math on that? I know.
Is it 30 to life typically? Yeah and that's two sentences.
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She asked why and he told her that she would find out tomorrow.
I know it's so eerie. This is so much. But like also I'm kind of like
he is creating this horror movie scenario. Well yeah well he obviously didn't
expect to get away with it. He told like 50 fucking people you know what I mean?
Like he's probably also high and drunk at this point.
Well yeah. He's just like I gotta tell somebody. And he's also like no one's
gonna believe me anyway. That's true. Around this same time
Tyler asked his best friend Michael Mandel to walk outside with him so they
could speak privately. Michael and Tyler had been best friends since
they were eight and Michael immediately noticed something was wrong.
They walked to the stop sign at the end of the block and once they were there
Tyler turned to Michael. Transcript eight.
Tyler I killed my parents. Yeah right. Michael I'm being real. I'm not lying to
you. If you look closely enough you can see signs
which is also very eerie. Again why is it I mean this is the first
time he's actually said it. Is that the words? But yeah it's like oh look at the
signs. Again it's it's like suspenseful kind of
planned. Yeah it's almost like he enjoys it. So after saying this Tyler told Michael
to look in the driveway. Michael noticed that there were two cars.
One belonging to Tyler's father and one to his mother.
He thought if Tyler's parents are gone why are their cars here?
Uber. Well Uber didn't exist in the like as 2011 it kind of did. Well maybe
either way taxi whatever. I understand what you're thinking but maybe they
just weren't the kind of people to take a taxi. Sure yeah no it would be
suspicious regardless. I'd be like wait a minute. Michael did not want to believe
what he was thinking and he tried to tell Tyler to stop lying.
Tyler then told Michael to look in the garage but make sure that no one else
was looking when he went in there. Michael walked into the garage
immediately seeing a bloody footprint and then would quickly turn around and
leave the garage. Tyler then led Michael to the master
bedroom where he saw the traces of blood on the door.
Tyler unlocked the door and opened it revealing blood soaked towels
stacked in a pile. At the bottom of the pile a human leg.
Tyler then walked Michael through the details of what happened.
The afternoon before the party shortly before 5 p.m.
Tyler found both of his parents' cell phones and hid them so they wouldn't be
able to call for help. He listened to a rap song in order to
quote hype himself up and quote and then took three
ecstasy pills worried that he could not kill his parents quote sober and quote.
But like you don't have to so yeah Tyler then found a claw hammer in the
garage and returned inside the home. He stood behind his mother while she
worked on the family computer for a full five minutes.
Tyler would stand behind his mother for five whole minutes while he contemplated
what to do next. He would then raise the claw hammer and
bring it down on Mary Jo's head. Tyler told Michael that his mother screamed
why multiple times. Hearing his wife screams Blake Hadley ran out of the
master bedroom and into the computer area. Blake and Tyler locked eyes for
several seconds Blake asking the same why. Tyler responded to his father
quote why the fuck not and quote oh my god oh it's
horrible. Tyler allegedly repeated the same question over and over
while bludgeoning his father to death. While explaining this Tyler mimicked
swinging the claw hammer in front of Michael. Could you imagine? No I literally
couldn't. Being that guy being Michael. Being like
you have to be joking like there's no like but who makes something up like
that. Right it's too specific. After his parents
were deceased Tyler explained that he wrapped towels around their heads and
dragged them into the master bedroom. He laid the body side by side face down
and put the hammer on the ground between them. It took Tyler three hours to
clean up the home much longer than he anticipated.
Again just a reminder this is the day of the party.
This is hours before the party started. That's like
like if it took him three hours he had to be cleaning well until like eight
o'clock and people were there at 11 30. Yeah after his parents were in the
bedroom Tyler took everything that he thought might incriminate him and put
it in the master bedroom as well. So the area around the computer was kind of
clean but the computer itself wasn't? Like the keyboard was like sticky?
Oh that's gross. Yeah okay I understand what you mean now. I thought
like maybe it was one of those like World of Warcraft computers where there's
just like bags of chips. Well there was that too I'm pretty sure they said but
yeah it was like grimy. That's gross. Tyler then took a shower
and told Michael that he stared at his reflection in the bathroom mirror and
laughed at himself. Like he's the Joker?
Max Mazer another friend of Tyler's was standing in the hall outside the master
bedroom when he saw Michael rush out of the room and slam the door behind him.
He stated that Michael looked deranged and he was quote looking over both
shoulders and quote like he's like running away.
What the fuck? Michael actually didn't leave the party though
and instead he stayed for another 45 minutes and ended up taking
multiple selfies with Tyler. He's like yo this guy this guy's going to jail.
No I mean honestly though that's probably what he was thinking.
In one photo both boys are in the garage with Michael's expression being
stern and defiant while Tyler's was like described as like a mixture of pain,
despair, fear, and horror. The video the picture's a little haunting we'll post
it in the in the post. Oh my gosh. Around 2 a.m one of the party
goers announced that there was another house party being thrown by a neighbor
of Mike Young's. Hearing this kids began running outside and
tossing their drinks all over the yard. One attendee Joshua Corte had just
gotten into his car when someone slammed on the driver's side window.
It was Tyler. He yelled to Josh quote where's everybody going?
end quote. Josh rolled down his window and explained that they were all going to
another party. Tyler seemingly relieved said oh I think
that maybe he thought that Michael had said like hey fucking go this way.
There's dead people in here. Yeah. Yeah. Later when Josh was asked to describe
Tyler's expression he stated quote he was just like blank face like he had a
blank face on end quote which is really interesting.
14 cars peeled out of Tyler's neighborhood and arrived at the other
house. A girl came out of the home in her PJs and it was quickly apparent that
there was no other party and it was just a rumor. Oh that's funny. Imagine.
What are you all doing at my house? It's like two in the morning. I'm sleeping.
Get out of here. However the commotion of the cars leaving was too much for
Tyler's neighbors not to notice. One neighbor Ray Ann Wallace lived next
door and had known Tyler since he was born. She liked the Hadleys and had
stated about Tyler quote he seemed like a happy kid
very respectful polite end quote. Cameron Adams the boy who ran into the
Hadleys at the gas station the previous night stated about Tyler after
entering high school quote he had a bizarre personality
really hyper he'd always try to pull a crowd in the middle of a lesson he would
start laughing he would just blurt out stuff
end quote. Kind of seems like that could have been put in the beginning of the
party story but i wanted to put it here just to like remind everyone.
Yeah. At 2 a.m. with the cars leaving the street
Ray Ann got fed up she did not understand why Tyler was having such a
noisy party or why his parents were allowing it to happen.
When a group of boys from the party made their way onto her lawn and began
looking into her windows she called the police. Oh hell yeah.
What's that? Yeah. Two officers from the port St. Lucie PD arrived within minutes.
By that point there were fewer than 20 people left in the home
and when officers rang the doorbell Tyler hid everyone in his room and told
them to be quiet. Tyler answered the door and talked to the
police for a few moments. The cops had explained that there had
been noise complaints but with the house seemingly quiet they left Tyler with a
warning. Now they're like oh no clearly no teenagers
in here. Yeah. Don't want to do that paperwork. Yeah.
By 2 30 the party was back on. Tyler's friends began to return to the party
after realizing the other one was a bust and at this point it was becoming
clear that Tyler was not okay. Michael Mandel whom Tyler had confided
in about the killings had grabbed 10 percosep pills that Tyler was going to
use to commit suicide hid them in a hall closet and left the home.
Good for you Michael. Good for you. Three girls returned to the party
and once they entered Tyler was noted as slamming the door and looking out the
windows seemingly paranoid. Shortly after this Tyler began talking
to a friend by the name of David Garcia about the party.
Transcript nine. This is the last one. Okay. Tyler the party was fun. I might have
another one tomorrow night then I might be going away for a while.
Are you moving or vacation? Just going away. Are you coming back?
I don't know because I'm thinking about killing myself.
And then apparently he just like walks away and this kid's like
cool. Cool. You know what I mean? I don't know what happened after that but there's no other
verbiage. Shit. Tyler then turned the lights off in the front rooms to avoid
any more attention from police or neighbors. At 4 40 a.m Tyler posted once
again to his Facebook wall quote party at my house again hmu
end quote. What's hmu? I'm kidding. That's at almost 5 a.m though.
He's like fuck it I didn't get caught. I'm gonna have another one tomorrow. Keep
raging. The party might have. Ted Mosby does that. He does for three day party.
Just to get Robin to come. How I met your mother. Sorry. I was watching a lot of it.
So the party may have continued for a while if the police had not shown up at
Tyler's door at the very moment that he posted that status.
Michael had phoned crime stoppers and told them the whole story.
Good for you Michael. Other than the selfies. But at the same time. He was
probably fucking petrified. He was probably like okay I can't run out
right now because what if he does something to me?
What if it's. Or maybe he's like let's take a photo together so I can show
police what he looks like. What the crime scene is or whatever because he took a
picture in the garage. Yeah. Oh gosh. Officers Adrian Zamoyski and
Charles Green were dispatched to the home at 4 32 a.m.
They noticed three cars across the street and ran the plates.
The first car was registered to one Tyler Hadley and the other two to his parents.
As the officers walked up the driveway they heard some talking in the home.
Officer Green saw through the front window the shadow of a person
pacing. The officer knelt by the window and saw a very distraught Tyler
walking back and forth in the living room talking to himself with a quote
very disturbing look on his face and quote. The police report would read
quote his eyes were very wide and he was not blinking and quote.
Tyler then grabbed a stack of books from the bookshelf near the front of the
home murmured something to himself and dumped the books on the floor quote
in a frantic manner and quote. He would do this once or twice more
returning for a second and third stack of books.
Finally Officer Green walked to the front door and rang the doorbell.
There was no answer but Green could see Tyler through the window walking away
from the door. The rest of the house lights were turned
off and then the door opened. Tyler was wearing a black shirt and black
shorts a different outfit than the party goers saw him in
and when he opened the door he had his left hand behind his back.
Officer Green immediately pulled his gun thinking Tyler may have had a weapon.
The officer ordered Tyler to put his hands up and step out of the house to
which he complied. Officers would search him for weapons
finding none and ordered him to the ground and proceeded to handcuff him.
Do you think he was trying to die by cop? I think he was trying to make it look
like he had a weapon so yeah maybe they would shoot him or something.
Police asked whether or not Tyler's parents were home to which he responded
no. He seemed frantic, incoherent, and annoyed
according to the officers. Tyler stated to the men quote
I know I'm going to Rock Road referring to the St. Lucie County Jail Road
so just take me end quote. Leaving Tyler in the driveway police would enter the
home. Tyler shouted at them quote you can't go in there don't go in there
end quote like we have to. Like sorry but we're gonna we can smell
there's the bodies and musky teenagers. Yeah that's so awful.
Isn't that imagine imagine like being those officers I know they see things
like every day but like coming to a house party and then being like I know
that smell yeah like honestly. Well I watched a video
yesterday of a it was a nurse that had I believe was
murdered by her husband I think she had been stabbed
or murdered by somebody she had been stabbed and left in her bedroom. Anyways
there was a welfare check for her because she didn't show up to work and it was
very unlike her and so you know I don't know if it was
security of the property or something and she lived in kind of like a town
home. I think it might have been security for the property they're like we
legally can't go in there that's why we called you but there's no answer
and then they had seen a reddish brownish stain
on the blinds and or something somewhere in the house and so of course they
knocked on the next door neighbor's door and she's like I haven't heard her
for like two days and usually she has her dog outside but I haven't seen that
dog either and so yeah the officer the door front door was
unlocked and he opens it and he goes well that doesn't smell good
yeah and he told the guys he told the security guys he's like you guys are
freaking me out like he already just the way that it was set up was so
ominous and sure enough she was deceased and that's how
helpful. Ugh they did catch that guy. Good.
Catch that guy. So with the officers entering the home obviously the home
was extremely destroyed with trash everywhere.
The furniture and Tyler's older brother's old bedroom was turned over and
Sophie their black lab was actually found locked in the closet so she was safe.
Oh. The cops went through the kitchen and approached the master bedroom
immediately noticing the streaks of dried blood on the frame and door knob.
I can't even imagine processing that scene like CSI.
Yeah. But like you have to process everything. You don't know what's
related to the crime and what's not. Exactly. Because you've had so many people
in the house. And there's so much DNA. Oh my god. That might have been the goal as well.
That sounds like a nightmare. Yeah that's true. He could have been like any one of
these people could have killed my parents. Yeah. The door was forced open and the
cops came across the horrible scene and we already know what happened so I'm not
gonna go back into that. The funeral service for Mary Jo and Blake Hadley
was attended by nearly 1,000 people. Wow. Mary Jo was a committed Catholic and she
was actually supposed to read a sermon at the church the day after she was murdered.
This included the verse from 1st Corinthians quote,
love is patient, love is kind, it always protects, always trusts, always hopes,
always perseveres, end quote. Which I want to do include because it's like
she tried to love him so much. She did. You know. And the best way that she knew how
given his disorders and his depression and she knew that she was she was compassionate
towards that because she experienced it herself. For sure. At the reception following the service,
Rayanne Wallace, the neighbor who called the cops, approached Ryan, Tyler's older brother.
Ryan had planned to return to Port St. Lucy after graduating from college to work with
his father at the power plant. He also mentioned that following the reception he was going to
visit his brother in prison or jail. This would be the first time the brothers had seen each
other since the murders. Ryan was noted as stating about this visit quote,
it's what my parents would want me to do. They wouldn't want me to abandon him.
I don't know what I'm going to say. I'll probably just sit there and cry and quote.
That reminds me of Grant and Jason Amato. When Jason goes in there and he hugs Grant and he's
just like, why would you do that? It's awful. You know, and he knew it. He knew it was Grant,
but it's just like it's hard. I think it's just sibling things in general. For sure. Right.
But yeah, watching Jason just break down, lose his entire family and his brother go to prison.
Yeah, I mean, you're losing that person as well. Yeah. Many of Tyler's friends tried to
figure out the motives of his actions and one girl who attended the party but didn't know Tyler very
well actually blamed his parents. She stated quote, he was under a lot of pressure and like his parents
would never let him be himself. And honestly, I think that they caused everything that just
happened. His parents always expected him to be someone else that he wasn't. And that's just
not right. Anything Tyler would do, he'd be wrong for it. He just broke. Honestly, he got crazy
because of it. If you have that much hate for somebody, then you actually would do something
like that end quote. And that's okay. This is a Gypsy Ro situation. Yeah. And you obviously
don't know the whole story. Right. And we don't know the whole story. And you're not a psychiatrist.
Yeah, exactly. Like I don't, I just had to put that in there because I was like, I mean, sure,
not only she was thinking that, you know, I'm sure a lot of other people probably thought that,
which is awful. That's so true too, because and again, just to pull from another, you know,
episode that we covered the Menendez case, like the fact that like the whole trial, because I've
listened to most of the trial at this point, and I'm obsessed with it, Court TV.com Court TV.com
has everything they have every I mean, they have the entire OJ trial. I mean, any trial you can
think of that was like huge. Anyways, the whole thing was that prosecution, like the defense
was saying the parents were murdered because they were abusing their sons. And the prosecution said,
what a terrible way to talk about someone, you know what I mean? Like it wasn't about, you know,
them being necessarily cold blooded, but they're like, and now they're trying to blame the victims.
Like that was the whole prosecution's case. And so it's kind of like, it seems like that it's
well, in certain cases, like the Menendez case or the Gypsy Rose case. Yeah, it's hard. It's a,
I feel like it's super gray area. There's it's not black and white, but in this case, and again,
we don't know the whole story. I don't think the parents really did anything wrong. I think that
they had the best intentions and trying to help their son. And Tyler just was too damaged. Yeah.
What we can safely say is that they tried to the best of their ability. What they thought was the
right actions to take for him for his mental health, for his safety, for their safety. And
not only that, but there was no sign of physical or physical abuse at least. We don't know what
the psychological, mental or emotional abuse was like if there was any. Exactly. But we can absolutely
say that they've never been investigated by this CDF, you know, whatever it is. No, for sure. And
we don't know what went on in that house. So we don't, again, we don't know. And that's what
actually my next point was, is that Tyler had actually told some of his friends, including
Michael, that his father had hit him in the past and punched him in the face, but that was never
determined to be true or false. So I don't know. And again, even if that's the case, that doesn't
mean that you need to kill somebody, you know, although I can't imagine if that was the case
being in that situation. Like I don't know what I would do if I was Tyler. And again, all of the
comorbid things that he was dealing with were the reason for this. Not maybe even if the parents did
have something to do with the abuse, that probably wouldn't have caused that to happen. Yeah. And
how long was that after Gypsy was caught? Like 24 hours, right? A couple days. A couple days. Okay.
Because I was going to say Mininda's brother is called the cops immediately, although they lied
about what had happened with this guy, Tyler, with him, not just killing his parents because of
some type of pressure or whatever it is, but to throw a party. Throwing a party is like a slap
in the face. Hours is like dancing on a grave. Exactly. Exactly. Michael didn't believe that
the accusations about Blake being a physical abuser were true, but he said that even if it was true,
that he didn't believe that it could quote, lead to him murdering them. So he's just saying like,
even if that was the case, I don't think that Tyler would have killed them because of that.
So just like what we were saying. And it's true, we're not defense attorneys or prosecuting.
Yeah, of course. But yeah, but he was also a six foot something kid and he's 17 and, you know,
younger, spryer, had the ability to probably, you know, do some damage, but not necessarily kill
someone unless he intended to. Right. Yeah, definitely. And again, like we always say,
we're not professionals. This is just our opinion. And we're just comparing these cases just to see
the differences and then we're not saying that anyone was right or wrong. For sure. And I also
to mean to make that seem like, oh, well, if he was being abused, he could have defended himself
because psychological holds that people can have on one another. Even parent, parent child,
it can be huge. Just what we know about this case. It doesn't seem likely that he was being
abused anyway. Right. That's what I'm saying. Tyler also told his friend, Markey, that Blake
quote wasn't his real dad and quote, and Markey was amazed to find out during a police interview
that Tyler had lied about that. Oh, so he just like assumed that Tyler was like, oh, he's not
my biological dad anyways. And he's like, oh, okay. I guess. Well, I think he had told him that
like before. Like, yeah, it's happened. The most common rational reason for Tyler doing what he
did, according to his friends, was the drug use. However, even with a large amount of recreational
drugs that Tyler was consuming, none of them have been linked to violent tendencies. When police
searched the home, they uncovered prescription bottles in Tyler's name for hydroxazine, and,
which is a mild anti anxiety medication, as well as the Tyler pram, which is an anti-depressant.
So nothing that would consider to be like a, like a, a psych, not a psychedelic, what am I
trying to say, like a psychosis inducing drug, like a PCP or he did, he was doing DMT, but DMT
has not ever been linked to violent tendencies. That's just what they're, what they're saying. I
don't know what they're saying. I've never done that. Tyler would later write to his grandparents
about the medications that he was prescribed, stating, quote, I wish I never started taking
that damn pill. None of this ever would have happened. The antidepressant. Well, we don't know.
It's unknown which medication Tyler was referring to, but it seems likely that it would be the
antidepressant, because it can be known to cause suicidal behavior and like irritability in adolescents.
And another letter sent to a friend, Tyler stated, quote, I regret everything I did. I swear it's
those drugs, man. End quote. And whenever he was found, okay, first of all, routine, right? We always
see, say that that helps him being in this, even if it isn't a jail or incarcerated setting,
that might be helping because he said this is a letter from jail. This is from jail while he
was awaiting trial. I see. Okay. But he still likely has a routine. Do you think that there's any
type of regulation of medication? He's probably clearheaded because of no idea. He's probably
clearheaded because he's not using any drugs. Yeah. And if he was prescribed those medications,
then he is likely to be regulated on the same. Yeah, that's true. Although I might just
just spoke. I think this might have been after his sentencing that he said this, because Tyler
would actually contradict these statements when he told his friend Michael that he purposely
waited for his brother to move out before he killed his parents and he told him this six weeks
prior to sending these letters about the drugs being the reason. Okay. So he was like, it was
essentially he planned it and then now he's trying to say like, oh, it was for the drugs and you
know, whatever. While Tyler was in jail awaiting sentencing, he was also known as spending his
time signing autographs for fellow inmates. What? He would take a news article about the murder and
write quote, it's hammer time across the article and sign it with the nickname he had been given
by inmates hammer boy. It's hammer time. That's delulu. That's disgusting. Tyler was noted as
writing to friends and family while he was awaiting sentencing in jail. In a letter sent to his grandparents,
he seems overwhelmed with guilt quote, I was just living my life as a normal 17 year old kid. And
next thing I know, I'm in the middle of St. Lucie County jail. I ruined a lot of people's lives,
and I can't seem to forgive myself. I find myself crying a lot because of all the guilt.
Every day I beg for forgiveness and I ask God not to send me to hell. I don't want to go there.
Father Michael told me that if I just confess my sins and repent, then God will forgive me for
everything. I just can't get rid of all of this guilt. It's swallowing me whole. I'm extremely
nervous that I'm going to get a life sentence. It's making me pretty depressed. I want to say
I'm really sorry for all the grief I've stirred up. I know everyone thinks I'm a psychopath and all,
but I really am sorry for everything. I've been praying every day for forgiveness and for a decent
plea offer. I should get one since it's my first offense. I feel extremely bad for Ryan and especially
you and my other grandparents for the grief I've caused. I feel like Ryan doesn't love me anymore,
but I know he does and he's just going through a rough time. It's so hard going through this.
I'm scared and I feel so alone, dot, dot, dot, end quote.
He seems to have a very, um, chameleon like attitude towards people.
Yeah, I think so. Like it's easy for him to be a certain person in front of a certain person.
Yeah, I think so. I think that's, I don't know where it comes from, but yeah, I think you're
right. I think it's like, and you'll actually see it in this next letter. It's like, depending on
who he's talking to, he can kind of put on like a facade almost. It's an adaptation. He's adapting.
Tyler would also write to Michael Mandel, the friend who turned him in. However, this was not
without first placing the blame on Michael stating quote, I'm in jail because of you, end quote.
What? This letter is as follows, quote, I wish I could throw back some Miller lights and smoke a
fat ass strawberry white owl, but I gotta say it feels good to be sober. My head is nice and clear.
Make sure you drink some Miller for me. Drink yourself stupid like I used to do. I swear to you,
Michael, the devil had a hold on me. I talked to him and he talked to me. That's why I seem so
crazy toward the end. I'm not a cold-blooded monster like everyone thinks I am. I'm a caring
person that made a horrible mistake. You gotta let people know that, end quote.
He sounds like he's 60 years old. Like he's like, don't make the same mistakes I did, kid.
No, yeah, but he's telling his grandparents, I have all this grief. I feel so lumbobob that he
never writes his friend. He's like, have a fucking couple beers for me. You know what I mean? Like,
it's like through the world. Jesus, don't give me a start. So there's not a whole lot known about
the trial, but since Tyler was still a minor at the time of his crimes and arrest, he would be
unable to be issued the death penalty. Okay. In 2014, Tyler Hadley would be sentenced to life
imprisonment without the possibility of parole. Due to laws that had been kind of iffy around the
time, it was about like the handling of minors in the judicial system. Tyler was originally
entitled to having a judicial review at some point in the future, causing like a new sentencing almost.
Okay. However, during the new sentencing that Tyler was allowed to have in December of 2018,
he was resentenced to life in prison. Okay. Now he doesn't have the option to be resentenced again,
because the law has been like in place now. So the resentencing or the potential for a resendencing
would have been because of his age, but now that he's of age. Yeah, I think it, I don't know how
exactly what it entails, but essentially it was like, you have a choice to get resentenced and like,
it just was the same result. Right. Yeah. But I guess it is like, you know, they take into account
because they have seen that. I think there was, oh, whatever that kid's name was, I think he killed
his parents too, or his mom, but he was like 14. Yeah. And so when his resendencing came up, they,
they made it a shorter sentence. He had been like highly abused and was in a very terrible situation.
And so, yeah, he was resendenced. I think he only got like a total of 26 plus time served.
So, or something like that. But either way, yeah, so it's an opportunity for him to be
resendenced, but now it's like, we've sent it to you now as an adult and this is your permanent
still in prison for life. Tyler is currently in prison at the Oki Chobe Correctional Institution.
Oki Chobe. Oki Chobe. The morning after the party, the news of Tyler's arrest spread throughout the
youth of Port St. Lucille. When Mike Young, the kid who showed up with 10 people, found out,
he stated, quote, I was like, damn brother, that's creepy as hell. I can't believe he parted last
night where there was dead people, end quote. Yeah, bro. Super compassionate. When Anthony
Snook found out about the murders another party door, he stated, quote, wow, I just went to the
party of a lifetime. It's messed up what he did. But 20 years from now, I'll be able to say I was
there. I hate Port St. Lucille, but that's kind of cool. End quote. How is that cool? How is that
cool? I would be scarred for life. I wonder if these are the people that were invited at Tyler's
party. Didn't know what death smells like. Oh gosh. Following the sentence of Tyler, Blake
Hadley's brother Mike was noted as saying, quote, we hope we never have to do this again.
We're happy with the judge's decision. It was the right decision to make. And as far as we're
concerned, the only decision. We're very pleased that it's done. We feel like we've gone to another
funeral today. End quote. I can't imagine though, because it's like, what's the alternative? The
alternative is that what he comes home, what he's stay with you. Yeah. No, you know, if he has these
tendencies and he needs to be looked after. And you know, I mean, you can't provide that care,
that help or that clearly need some sort of structure. Yeah. Following the hearing, a psychiatrist
diagnosed Tyler with major depressive disorder with psychotic features. That's my case. Wow,
that is a doozy. I know it was a hugey doozy. When you said that at the beginning of the episode,
I was like, Oh, I do know this case, but I knew nothing about him. And you know, the case, I just
knew what had happened. What happened. Yeah. So that's interesting. Yeah, that's my case. Thank
you, Sarah, so much for requesting that one. I didn't necessarily, I mean, I never enjoy
researching a murder case, because I don't like when murder happens. But I'm glad that we brought
this case because it does need to be told. It does. And it's very rare. Parasite is extremely rare.
Yeah. And so it's definitely different than what we've covered. Yeah, that is interesting. I feel
like you hear about it every time it happens, because it is so rare. Yeah, exactly. But yeah,
that's the that's the case. Anything major depressive disorder. I mean, I think we've covered
it before. It's just extreme, extreme low lows and mood. And then with psychotic features,
that obviously explains like the laughing at himself in the mirror, the mania, the maniac,
the hyperactivity. Yeah. And then he was definitely extremely, what is it, making all those symptoms
that much worse with the drug use? For sure. Yeah. And we've definitely talked about that as
co-worn bitterty and especially with people on schizophrenic spectrum, that it can just exacerbate
that feeling of paranoia and psychosis and things like that. So yeah, it's never any good to combine
that just because it can exacerbate those reactions. Yeah, definitely. Well, you guys keep
sending in your suggestions because I'm going to be tackling a bunch of suggestions. Honestly,
I feel like I just have so many that are requested. I'm like, I'm just going to do them.
I have a couple of my lists already. If you've sent us a request via DM on Instagram,
I have them all written down. So I'm going to get to those. Do not worry. And you guys can start
buying your tickets to the True Crime and Paranova podcast festival that's happening next July,
through the 12th and the 14th, the 12th through the 14th. Yes. And it's in Denver, Colorado. If
you guys already are in Denver, I'm super excited to see you. Yes. And if you guys are traveling,
obviously we're really excited to see you guys as well. Yeah. Stay safe in your travels. Yes,
absolutely. And we will see you guys. We're going to see you guys after Christmas. Yeah. Oh yeah.
We are going back to one or two episodes a week, starting in the beginning of the year. So we're
going to start doing our mental breakdown Mondays. Yeah. On the first of the year. And then it's
going to be Monday, Thursday, Monday, Thursday, like it used to be before the holidays. We also
have a new Patreon or a DAK live coming out pretty soon. We have a Patreon episode coming out on the
29th. And yeah, we have a lot of really exciting things. Check us out next Thursday. We're going
to have a very special end of the year episode for you guys. Yes. Yeah. We'll probably announce that
in a few days. Okay. All right. All right. We will see you guys later. Love you. Bye.
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