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been doing a lot of requests lately. So this is a request from one of our lovely

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listeners, Sarah. Hi, Sarah. Hi, Sarah. And she requested this actually a while

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today we are going to be talking about one Tyler Hadley. I don't know who

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Tyler Hadley is. Perfect. I love when you don't know the story because it's that

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We love you. Bye. Yes. So a lot to unpack here. So Tyler Hadley was born on

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December 16th, 1993 to parents Blake and Mary Jo Hadley. 1993? Yes.

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Faisy. Yeah. There is very little known about Tyler's childhood because a lot of

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other things kind of outshadow or outshine, excuse me, like his childhood

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because there's a lot that went on here. But it did show that he had one older

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brother by the name of Ryan. He was either born in the late 80s or early 90s.

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I couldn't really tell. Some sources indicate that he had a younger brother

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too, but you only hear about him like once and then you don't hear about him

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again. So I don't know if it was just like a typo that I read that he had a

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younger brother instead of an older brother. Yeah. Or maybe he had a respect for a

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minor. Yeah, for sure. It didn't pertain to the case. Yeah. Yeah. Father Blake worked

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as a watch engineer while Mother Mary Jo was an elementary school teacher. In

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93 was a watch engineer. I guess people still were wearing watches. No, he was an

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engine. A watch engineer. Oh, not an actual watch engineer. It's like, it's so funny.

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It's like someone that inspects like things in a power plant that like break.

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It's like a stationary engineer. It's just like another name. He wasn't like a

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watch technician. He didn't like unscrew the tiny bolts on watches. He's a watchmaker?

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That's interesting. He made watches. That's so funny. In 93. Oh, Jesus. He started off strong. So strong.

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Tyler was born in Florida in a little town by the name of Port St. Lucy. And

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when Tyler was born, he weighed just three pounds, ten ounces. It's a little thing.

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Yes. This required him to stay in the hospital for an entire month after being

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born because he needed to be in an incubator. Like a little egg? Like a little, yeah.

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Yeah. Over the years of his childhood, Tyler would be described by family

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members in multiple different ways. They would call him loving but withdrawn,

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keeping to himself, and suffering from maybe anxiety, depression, bulimia, and

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low self-esteem. Oh my gosh. We had a bunch of things going on. Due to these

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many things that Tyler had been experiencing, he would often begin a

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hobby, project, or sports team only to quit shortly after. You think it was like a

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lack of confidence? Yeah, I think so for sure. Or maybe just lack of interest. Or

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just motivation in general. Yeah. At one point, he wanted to try to learn to play

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drums and the trombone, but soon after starting them, he would ultimately quit,

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stating that he, quote, was a step below everyone else, end quote. That's according

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to his grandmother. At the young age of 10, Tyler was being treated by medical

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professionals for many different things. These included things like acne, all the

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way to depression, and even growth hormones. Hmm. Since he was a preemie, his

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mom actually took growth hormones herself, and so she gave him to him at a

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young age as well, because she didn't want him to be underdeveloped physically.

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Was that on her own volition? You're saying that a doctor prescribed that though?

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Yeah, so doctor prescribed that, yeah. So it is known at this point as well that

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Tyler had a thyroid problem that kept him from growing at a normal rate, so that

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also makes sense. By the ages of around 11 to 13, Tyler was known to have been

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quite the troublemaker. He would draw all over public bathrooms with Sharpie, break

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windows on neighbors' homes and things in their yards, steal Christmas lights, paint

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on neighbors' cars with shoe paint, and set small fires in the woods that would

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usually ignite into larger brush fires. Interesting. Is this like a defiance

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disorder? It kind of seems like a conduct, almost, conduct disorder. Although Tyler

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was getting help for various things at this time, his mental health was still

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kind of getting pushed to the side. It was more so like physical things. Yeah,

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they were focusing on the acne and the, yeah, yeah. Well, and then the

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outrageous behavior was seems like outrageous behavior for sure. At the

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young age of 12, Tyler was engaging in alcohol consumption, and by the age of

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15, he was taking Xanax, Percocet, Oxycodone, and Ecstasy, and DMT by the

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age of 16. Oh my god, so much. It's so much for that little brain, you know. Yeah,

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especially an underdeveloped brain like it. Yeah, but someone that, you know, has

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experienced difficulties from being a preemie. Yeah, definitely. Due to his

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extreme drug use and criminal behavior, Tyler was detained multiple times for

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arson, vandalism, theft, and aggravated battery, but due to his age, he was usually

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turned loose shortly after being arrested. Oh no. Yeah, I mean, it's like

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escalating. Like, you know, it's probably like really petty things in the

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beginning, and then it gets like worse and worse. You would think that the pattern

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itself would be concerning enough to make him serve a little bit of time.

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Exactly. Tyler's parents were extremely worried about his mental health,

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stating that they believed his mind had been overtaken with depression. They

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seemed to be much more concerned, however, with his drug use, and they would

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enroll him in an outpatient facility when he was 17. This would prove

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unsuccessful, and since Tyler was not yet an adult, he was unable to

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enroll in an inpatient facility. I see. His parents had made the decision that

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when Tyler turned 18, they were going to have him in an inpatient facility.

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Although he's 18, they were kind of telling him like, no, like, as soon as you

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can, like, we're getting you in there. Tyler had also admitted at this point

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that he had been having violent fantasies that included murder for many

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years prior. He would later speak with a psychiatrist about the idea that killing

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his parents would solve all of his problems and bring him a sense of relief.

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He would state about this quote, I was probably mad about getting in trouble

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and everything that was going on. The murderous thoughts started a little bit,

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but increased in frequency, became an obsession that I couldn't get out of my

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mind. Pretty intense. I thought about it every day, end quote. That's interesting

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that I guess it wouldn't be a reportable thing, would it, if he had been going to

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a therapist saying that he felt like harming someone else? I don't think he

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said like, you essentially have to have like a plan in place to harm someone or

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yourself in order for it to break confidentiality. I see. If you say like

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you're just thinking about it, then it's still under confidentiality.

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Tyler would also comment on a quote, movie in my head, end quote, and told, that

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told him to kill his parents and then kill himself using carbon monoxide in the

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garage. Well there's planning. Yeah exactly, this is just told me to do this.

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Well rather than go through with his plan, Tyler decided that he was gonna

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throw a huge house party when his parents were out of town. He's like, I'm just gonna do a thing.

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I know this story! Oh my god! Did you just realize who I'm talking to? I know this story!

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Okay, thank you Sarah. In June of 2011, a 17 year old Tyler came home

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extremely intoxicated and according to Mary Jo, he stated that he had urinated

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on one of his friend's beds. Following this, Mary Jo enrolled Tyler in daily

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counseling, the same outpatient treatment we spoke about earlier. Around this same

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time, Mary Jo would vent with her co-workers about her struggles with

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Tyler's behaviors. One co-worker would ask Mary Jo if she thought that Tyler

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would ever hurt her and Mary Jo responded no, that she was only worried

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that he might try to hurt himself. Mary Jo had also suffered from depression and

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it was quite clear that her son had inherited the gene from her. So she was

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probably pretty understanding about it. Yeah of course. After one of his arrests

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for drugs, Mary Jo would confiscate Tyler's phone and following this, Tyler

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would send a Facebook message to a friend by the name of Isadora Gasko. So we're

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gonna try something a little bit different because there's a lot of back

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and forth in this episode of like Tyler talking to different people. So I've

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made up transcripts and I'm giving you yours and you're gonna be the other

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person. I'm gonna be Tyler because it's gonna be so much easier than me

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trying to like go back and forth and say their names before the quotes. Yeah

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for sure. Okay so these are all quotes and this is the first transcript. Well I

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say transcript but first interaction. Again this is a Facebook message between

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Tyler and his friend Isadora and I'm gonna start it. Don't text me about drugs.

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My mom has... oh by the way I'm Tyler.

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Okay so here we go. I'm Tyler. Okay. Don't text me about drugs. What happened? My

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mom has it because I got arrested on Monday and she's flipping shit. I just

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got out today. Oh shit. Fucking shit sucked in all caps. You bad kid. Just kidding.

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It's a pirate's life for me. That's what he said. There's a long pause. She does not

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respond. Okay I'm done with all the nautical nonsense Isadora Gashko.

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Smiley face. You're so silly. What are you doing? Nothing. Considering suicide.

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Why? Because I want to die I guess. And a quote. I know it's not fucked up. So that

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was how that message went between his friend and him and his friend. I'm trying

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not to make it sound so... Voice actor-y. Right but I mean at the same time like

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she says what happened not like what happened. Yeah no I made sure to put

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like all of the incorrect verbage in there. Oh shit and then she said you bad kid

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with like double D and then you're so silly and then why was all like three

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questions. Yeah it's okay you can read it how you want. I'm sure that the listeners

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will like the voices. No. Tyler goes on to tell Isadora that he drinks to

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excess because it quote fills the emptiness inside me and a quote and

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that quote all my smiles are fake and quote. Despite his daily counseling

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sessions like I said prior the treatment did not work for Tyler

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although he was able to fool his mother slightly for a while. Meanwhile Tyler is

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going around telling everybody that he knows about this party that he's gonna

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throw once his parents go out of town. On July 2nd 2011 another Facebook message

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was sent from Tyler to one of his friends Mercedes Marco about the fact

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that Mary Jo had taken his phone away. This is the second transcript. Me, Tyler.

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LOL yep she's a cunt for show I might kill her. Oh my god no jail or I mean

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prison LOL. Oh well. Hart. That's it. He did not. Yeah. I'm not reading these early by

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the way. Okay I hope not. I'm not. I don't want to ruin it for myself. No I don't want to ruin it for myself because that was

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that was intense. That was intense. Well you don't have my part of the

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transcript on purpose because I didn't want you to see the whole thing and then

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you're like what the fuck you know. I know I like it. Two weeks prior to the

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party Mary Jo had told her friends that Tyler quote was over the hurdle and

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quote and she quote really felt that he was back to himself and quote. Do you

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think that not to speculate too early but do you think there's some bipolar in

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here or maybe with her up and down no with him. Yeah potentially. He seems very

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up and down like he's okay for a little bit and then he spirals. Yeah okay for a

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little bit and then he spirals. Well I think I don't know if it maybe there's

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not really any routine here either. That's true yeah. The weekend before the party

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was supposed to happen Tyler joined his father and grandfather on a trip to

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Georgia for a family reunion. Tyler's grandfather stated about this visit

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quote it was a time for us to enjoy family from Indiana, Minnesota and Florida.

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I didn't see any indication there were any problems between Tyler and his

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parents and quote. The night before the party Tyler and his parents stopped at

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a gas station after an out in the evening out at dinner and Tyler ran into a

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friend of his by the name of Cameron Adams. Cameron asked Tyler how his

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parents were doing to which Tyler responded quote oh they're all right

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end quote. Cameron mentioned that it was his birthday to which Tyler stated quote

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happy birthday come to my house tomorrow I'm having a party we'll celebrate end

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quote. So he's still planning on this party? Yes he's trying he's trying to

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tell his friends that he's working on convincing his parents that he'll be fine

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alone when if like telling them to go out of town he'll be fine by himself. I

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see okay yeah. Although many people in school had heard about the party not a

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lot of them believed that it was actually gonna happen. Tyler had never

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had so much as a get-together at his home in the past and his parents recent

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strictness towards him was something that was known so it was not likely that

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they're gonna let him leave him home alone. And how old is he at this point? 17.

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17 okay. When his friends asked if the party was still on Tyler replied quote

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I'm working on it end quote which told his friends that it was most likely off.

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Hmm. At 11 25 a.m. on Saturday July 16th 2011 Tyler received a Facebook message

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from his friend Antonio Ramirez. This is transcript number three. Oh wait where are

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we at? Tyler, Sup bruh. So then what's you doing tonight? Trying to have a party at

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my crib. Your parents ain't home. Nope. Well they're leaving soon. A few hours

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prior to this Facebook exchange Tyler had reached out to another friend of his

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by the name of Matthew Noble around 940 a.m. This is transcript four. Did you do

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it? No but I'm gonna bet. You really should now do it. Don't worry I am then

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I'm having a party. Yeah party time and then he uses a term racial slur. Okay so

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where was I? At 1 15 p.m. on the same day Tyler posted a status on his Facebook

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quote party at my crib tonight dot dot dot maybe end quote. Due to this message

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his friends were pretty convinced that Tyler was unable to convince them his

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parents that he would be okay home alone excuse me. At 8 15 p.m. the same day so

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July 16th Tyler posted another status quote party at my house HMU end quote.

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What's HMU? I was seriously gonna like jokingly explain what HMU meant and then

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I was cracking up cuz you just like for those LDs that's me HMU. I was like HMU oh

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yeah hit me up. Although he posted this extra status his friends still did not

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believe he was throwing a party. One of Tyler's friends by the name of Ashley

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Hayes messaged him quote whoa what what if your parents came home end quote to

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which Tyler replied quote they won't trust me end quote. That's so yucky yeah

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I don't like the way that feels. I know. Although the party was announced for hours

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that day it did not truly begin until around 11 30 p.m. when a classmate of

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Tyler's named Mike Young arrived with ten or so of his friends. Mike did not

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know Tyler personally but the tall skinny and nearly six foot Tyler was

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easily recognizable by his classmates. Tyler didn't mind that people were

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showing up at his house that he didn't know as he just wanted to throw a giant

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party. Yeah he didn't care. Tyler was known around school as quiet almost

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nonverbal sometimes but occasionally prone to sudden outbursts in class. Hmm

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his close friends were all drug users pot smokers and usually kept to

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themselves. Mike would typically not seek out a friendship with these types of

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people but in high school a party is a party no matter who's throwing it right.

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So true. I went to a high school party with Cameron ones and I was like 19 and

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I was like this is dumb. And then the cops came and I was like I'm not drinking

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or smoking like there's no reason for me to be scared of the cops but

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everybody was jumping over the fences and stuff. Oh yeah that was the move. Oh no.

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Well now that I'm almost 30 I'm like can someone please have a house party like I

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don't want to go to the bar. And by house party I mean six of your closest friends.

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No actually it will play like tappel or like heads up or something. Categories.

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So yeah Mike typically wouldn't hang out with these kind of people but he's like

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a party's a party right. On top of this the little town of Port St. Lucy was

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usually a quiet boring town according to its residents so a party was extremely

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exciting to a lot of young kids around town. That makes sense. Tyler would answer

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the door of the home in a large t-shirt black pants and Nike's and he seemed as

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though he was very anxious. Although he had previously taken three ex-sissy pills

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the anxiety was extremely apparent as was the fact that he was rolling. Tyler

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stated almost immediately upon the friend's arrival quote I don't want no

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one smoke it inside it's my parents house. Okay. Before he knew it Tyler had

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nearly 60 people in his parents home most of them not even knowing who Tyler

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was. That's a lot of people. It is a lot of people. The party guests would quickly

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take advantage of the fact that they did not know the host and rummage through

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the kitchen throw empties in the backyard and we're spilling and breaking drinks

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in the living room laughing about it each time. I would hate that. Which is so

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disrespectful. Yeah. Tyler did not seem too concerned with the house

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getting trashed however but instead he was worried about how loud the party was.

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So he didn't really care. He was like do whatever you want but like be quiet. But

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don't get the cops called. The last thing he wanted was the attention of the

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neighbors or police clearly because the majority of the people there were under

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age. Yeah. Makes sense. Tyler would tell people that we're going outside to smoke

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quote actually just stay in the house you can smoke inside I don't care. So after

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a while he was like it's not worth you all being loud outside. Exactly. Mike was

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talking with some girls on the couch at one point when a very drunk skater kid

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who seemed to be one of Tyler's friends stumbled over. Transcript 5. Oh. And the

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skater kid. S. Skater. I smell dead people. What's that supposed to mean? Oh I don't

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know. Some people are smoking that's all. Alright dude whatever. The skater dude

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wandered off after this laughing. Following this conversation a large crowd

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had gathered around the beer pong table close to where the family computer was.

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On the computer kids were taking turns playing music on YouTube. The computer

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area was noticeably extremely filthy and notably more dirty than the rest of the

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home but the kids didn't really seem to notice or they just maybe didn't look

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close enough. Okay I'm gonna ask you why but I'm sure you'll tell me. Yeah for

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sure. Eventually. A party goer by the name of Jose Arrazo a soft-spoken 17 year

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old was playing beer pong when he overheard someone say quote oh he killed

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his parents end quote. Everyone laughed and Jose was able to brush it off

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actually winning 15 consecutive games of beer pong after that. Dang. He didn't

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want to fucking move. No. I'm staying here. Although it was brushed off people did

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keep asking Tyler where his parents were. He told the kid by the name of Ryan

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they went to Orlando while telling another quote they don't live here this is

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my house end quote. Another party goer by the name of Mark Andrews had met

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Tyler 11 years prior when his family had moved to Port St. Lucie. Tyler and Mark's

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brothers were friends and the families had lived down the street from each

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other so they had known each other for a while and this guy Mark was actually

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21. Okay. When Tyler was 10 years old he showed

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about Mark's home after a fight with his mother.

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He told Mark that he was going to kill his parents one day and Mark said that

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all parents made their kids mad. The boys laughed it off and it didn't really

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get brought back up. At the party Tyler told Mark that his

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parents went to Georgia. Another of Tyler's friends by the name of

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Marky Phillips actually missed the party due to him being out of town that

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weekend but he had hung out with Tyler two days prior to the party.

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He stated later that Tyler had quote, seemed pretty fine,

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end quote, the night they hung out but two weeks prior to that they had also

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hung out. Marky said that the two had been hanging out normally when Tyler

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blurted out in the middle of a conversation that he quote, wanted to

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kill his parents and have a big party after end quote. Marky responded with

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quote, that's crazy, end quote, when he thought that Tyler was trying to make a

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joke and unfortunately nobody would ever take

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Tyler seriously when he talked of killing his parents.

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This is a lot. It is. Oh my gosh and especially since it's like

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not even being hidden. Yeah exactly. It's like I mean I know we talk

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about Andre Thomas all the time but Andre Thomas was literally like I'm

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going to do this. Yeah. I'm going to do this. It's happening. I'm going to do this

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and nobody listened. By midnight at the Hadley residence there were over 100

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party goers in attendance. Two dogs had also been at the party as well.

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Tyler's invited. Well Tyler had a black lab named Sophie and there was an old

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partially blind Beagle. I couldn't find the name of the dog. The Beagle.

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I'm going to call her Blanche. Right. At one point Sophie, so Tyler's dog was

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unable to be found but the Beagle was found hiding under the bed of Tyler's

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older brother's old bedroom. Okay. The room was notably much more

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disastrous than the rest of the home. I guess the owner went to find him and was

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like this room is like a wreck but it seemed like no one from the party had

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been in there. Yeah. So they were like what the heck. It was just like strewn about

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or whatever after. Yeah. Clothes were strewn all over the room. The

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bed frame was cracked and the whole place looked kind of like ransacked.

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Huh. Yeah. Very strange. The Beagle would later be found cowering

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in the shower of a bathroom in a different area of the home.

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So I don't know if you get what I'm saying but dogs can sense things. Sense weird things.

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Yeah. Around 1230 the party was running low on alcohol.

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So Tyler had asked Mark Andrew's girlfriend Ashley Jerseman to drive him to

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the gas station a few blocks away. Mark is the old friend. Right.

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Mark tagged along as well and when they arrived to the gas station Tyler gave

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Mark a wad of 20s and asked him to get him four cases of beer.

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I think that the 20s might have come from the bedroom. That's why I think that was

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mentioned like his brother's bedroom. It was ransacked. I don't know. Yeah.

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Yeah. Okay. While Mark was in the store Tyler mentioned to Ashley that his

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father had died. Ashley did not know Tyler very well but she

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assumed that Tyler just meant his father had died several years ago. Yeah.

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When they arrived back at the home Tyler ran into a friend by the name of Anthony

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Snook when he showed up around 1245. Someone had texted Anthony that the

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party was quote the biggest thing ever end quote.

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Anthony approached Tyler stating to him quote thanks for throwing this party man.

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How have you been? End quote. Tyler responded in a flat voice quote.

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All right. End quote. Anthony knew Tyler as a kid who was usually quiet but able

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to laugh at his own jokes and be kind of silly at other times.

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So it struck Anthony as kind of odd that Tyler was extremely calm despite like

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the chaos of the party. He thought he would be like really enjoying himself.

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Yeah. That's really interesting because I bet he probably thought he would be

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enjoying himself but there's like so much in his head.

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Yeah. For sure. That it's just he might as well be on an island.

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Uh-huh. Ugh. Just at this moment Tyler spotted another kid who had taken his

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shirt off and ran out of the house screaming. Oh no.

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This kid returned shortly after with a mailbox on his head screaming whoo.

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Oh my god that sounds like uh when was that project X. Yeah.

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At least in the same thing. Tyler asked the kid quote where the

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fuck did you get that end quote to which the kid replied quote I took it off the

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neighbor's lawn end quote probably just like that. Yeah.

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At this point the previously calm Tyler started yelling

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screaming that stealing a mailbox was a felony and that the police were sure to

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be called. It's fair. Meanwhile Anthony Snook had

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tried to enter the master bedroom but realized that it was locked.

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He figured people were smoking in there so he tried to push the door open

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despite the lock with no luck. It was dark in the house but Anthony

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noticed about a foot long smear beneath the door

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that he described as like an oil-based paint stain that looked like someone had

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tried to like wipe it away. Hmm. Yeah. One kid who arrived around

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1 15 a.m. by the alias of Justin Wright stated that the first thing he noticed

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when he entered the home was the stench. He said it smelled like sweaty clothes

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that had been around for too long. Ew. He also commented that the place was a wreck.

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The previously white floor tiles were filthy among with many other disgusting

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parts of the home. This is also 1 15 and there's a hundred people in this house.

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Yeah. They probably all smell like sweaty teenagers. Yeah exactly.

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Seeing the condition of the home Justin asked Tyler if there were any rules of

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the party. Tyler responded quote just do whatever you want

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end quote. He said we're gonna burn this mother down.

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Yeah well project X actually burned the house down.

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As Mark Andrews the guy who he and his girlfriend took Tyler to the gas station

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and one of his oldest friends were leaving the party Tyler asked if they

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could speak privately. Tyler went outside and told the kid

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standing there to get back inside so that his neighbors wouldn't call the cops.

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Once everyone was inside Tyler turned to Mark. Transcript 6.

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Oh let me get there. Okay. Tyler. Dude I did some things. I might go to

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prison. I might go away for life. I don't know dude I'm freaking out right now.

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What are you talking about? Dude I know you're not gonna believe me.

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No one will believe me. I freaking killed somebody. Dude are you killing someone?

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Is your own business. Don't be telling me that sort of thing. I don't need to know.

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Smart kid. Hell yeah. I'd be like I don't see shit. Like a smart man because he's

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21. Following this conversation Tyler returned

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inside and ran into 18 year old Ricardo Acevedo. The two had met that night.

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Transcript 7. Thanks for having us over and thanks for the beer.

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I just wanted to do something fun before I left. Why where are you going?

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I'm gonna kill myself. Why would you do that?

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Because I did something really bad. What'd you do? It can't be that bad.

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Don't worry. If I get caught I'll be in jail a long time.

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I know it's very eerie but again way easier than me trying to say this person

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said this and then this person said this and then this person said this. Oh it's so much easier.

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In his bedroom Tyler came across 20 year old Kimberly Thebin.

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This girl was known around town as K-Nasty and I had to put that in there

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because it's a hilarious K-Nasty and I might start going by that.

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Just K-Nasty. K-Nasty on the weekends.

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So K-Nasty and Tyler were close friends as she lived on the street.

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He told her upon seeing her quote I'm going away for 60 years

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and quote like 60. Did you do the math on that? I know.

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Is it 30 to life typically? Yeah and that's two sentences.

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She asked why and he told her that she would find out tomorrow.

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I know it's so eerie. This is so much. But like also I'm kind of like

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he is creating this horror movie scenario. Well yeah well he obviously didn't

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expect to get away with it. He told like 50 fucking people you know what I mean?

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Like he's probably also high and drunk at this point.

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Well yeah. He's just like I gotta tell somebody. And he's also like no one's

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gonna believe me anyway. That's true. Around this same time

416
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,960
Tyler asked his best friend Michael Mandel to walk outside with him so they

417
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,320
could speak privately. Michael and Tyler had been best friends since

418
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,320
they were eight and Michael immediately noticed something was wrong.

419
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,760
They walked to the stop sign at the end of the block and once they were there

420
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,680
Tyler turned to Michael. Transcript eight.

421
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:33,680
Tyler I killed my parents. Yeah right. Michael I'm being real. I'm not lying to

422
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,080
you. If you look closely enough you can see signs

423
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,920
which is also very eerie. Again why is it I mean this is the first

424
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,960
time he's actually said it. Is that the words? But yeah it's like oh look at the

425
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,640
signs. Again it's it's like suspenseful kind of

426
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,600
planned. Yeah it's almost like he enjoys it. So after saying this Tyler told Michael

427
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,120
to look in the driveway. Michael noticed that there were two cars.

428
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,320
One belonging to Tyler's father and one to his mother.

429
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,520
He thought if Tyler's parents are gone why are their cars here?

430
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,960
Uber. Well Uber didn't exist in the like as 2011 it kind of did. Well maybe

431
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,560
either way taxi whatever. I understand what you're thinking but maybe they

432
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,520
just weren't the kind of people to take a taxi. Sure yeah no it would be

433
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,400
suspicious regardless. I'd be like wait a minute. Michael did not want to believe

434
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,080
what he was thinking and he tried to tell Tyler to stop lying.

435
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,520
Tyler then told Michael to look in the garage but make sure that no one else

436
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,520
was looking when he went in there. Michael walked into the garage

437
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,880
immediately seeing a bloody footprint and then would quickly turn around and

438
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,960
leave the garage. Tyler then led Michael to the master

439
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,720
bedroom where he saw the traces of blood on the door.

440
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,320
Tyler unlocked the door and opened it revealing blood soaked towels

441
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:54,960
stacked in a pile. At the bottom of the pile a human leg.

442
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,600
Tyler then walked Michael through the details of what happened.

443
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,120
The afternoon before the party shortly before 5 p.m.

444
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,400
Tyler found both of his parents' cell phones and hid them so they wouldn't be

445
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,560
able to call for help. He listened to a rap song in order to

446
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,760
quote hype himself up and quote and then took three

447
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:19,600
ecstasy pills worried that he could not kill his parents quote sober and quote.

448
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:25,200
But like you don't have to so yeah Tyler then found a claw hammer in the

449
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,000
garage and returned inside the home. He stood behind his mother while she

450
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,320
worked on the family computer for a full five minutes.

451
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,080
Tyler would stand behind his mother for five whole minutes while he contemplated

452
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,680
what to do next. He would then raise the claw hammer and

453
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,720
bring it down on Mary Jo's head. Tyler told Michael that his mother screamed

454
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:52,320
why multiple times. Hearing his wife screams Blake Hadley ran out of the

455
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,960
master bedroom and into the computer area. Blake and Tyler locked eyes for

456
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:03,280
several seconds Blake asking the same why. Tyler responded to his father

457
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,440
quote why the fuck not and quote oh my god oh it's

458
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,080
horrible. Tyler allegedly repeated the same question over and over

459
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,880
while bludgeoning his father to death. While explaining this Tyler mimicked

460
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,600
swinging the claw hammer in front of Michael. Could you imagine? No I literally

461
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,600
couldn't. Being that guy being Michael. Being like

462
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,960
you have to be joking like there's no like but who makes something up like

463
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,400
that. Right it's too specific. After his parents

464
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,680
were deceased Tyler explained that he wrapped towels around their heads and

465
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,240
dragged them into the master bedroom. He laid the body side by side face down

466
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,880
and put the hammer on the ground between them. It took Tyler three hours to

467
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,520
clean up the home much longer than he anticipated.

468
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,120
Again just a reminder this is the day of the party.

469
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:57,120
This is hours before the party started. That's like

470
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,080
like if it took him three hours he had to be cleaning well until like eight

471
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,720
o'clock and people were there at 11 30. Yeah after his parents were in the

472
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,560
bedroom Tyler took everything that he thought might incriminate him and put

473
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,160
it in the master bedroom as well. So the area around the computer was kind of

474
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:17,040
clean but the computer itself wasn't? Like the keyboard was like sticky?

475
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,040
Oh that's gross. Yeah okay I understand what you mean now. I thought

476
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,760
like maybe it was one of those like World of Warcraft computers where there's

477
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,120
just like bags of chips. Well there was that too I'm pretty sure they said but

478
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:34,000
yeah it was like grimy. That's gross. Tyler then took a shower

479
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,200
and told Michael that he stared at his reflection in the bathroom mirror and

480
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,920
laughed at himself. Like he's the Joker?

481
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,520
Max Mazer another friend of Tyler's was standing in the hall outside the master

482
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,080
bedroom when he saw Michael rush out of the room and slam the door behind him.

483
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,840
He stated that Michael looked deranged and he was quote looking over both

484
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,280
shoulders and quote like he's like running away.

485
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,960
What the fuck? Michael actually didn't leave the party though

486
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,120
and instead he stayed for another 45 minutes and ended up taking

487
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:10,800
multiple selfies with Tyler. He's like yo this guy this guy's going to jail.

488
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,280
No I mean honestly though that's probably what he was thinking.

489
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,960
In one photo both boys are in the garage with Michael's expression being

490
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,840
stern and defiant while Tyler's was like described as like a mixture of pain,

491
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,920
despair, fear, and horror. The video the picture's a little haunting we'll post

492
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,240
it in the in the post. Oh my gosh. Around 2 a.m one of the party

493
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:35,520
goers announced that there was another house party being thrown by a neighbor

494
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,200
of Mike Young's. Hearing this kids began running outside and

495
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,160
tossing their drinks all over the yard. One attendee Joshua Corte had just

496
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,760
gotten into his car when someone slammed on the driver's side window.

497
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,440
It was Tyler. He yelled to Josh quote where's everybody going?

498
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,880
end quote. Josh rolled down his window and explained that they were all going to

499
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,360
another party. Tyler seemingly relieved said oh I think

500
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,640
that maybe he thought that Michael had said like hey fucking go this way.

501
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,680
There's dead people in here. Yeah. Yeah. Later when Josh was asked to describe

502
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,640
Tyler's expression he stated quote he was just like blank face like he had a

503
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,120
blank face on end quote which is really interesting.

504
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,320
14 cars peeled out of Tyler's neighborhood and arrived at the other

505
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,480
house. A girl came out of the home in her PJs and it was quickly apparent that

506
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,120
there was no other party and it was just a rumor. Oh that's funny. Imagine.

507
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,280
What are you all doing at my house? It's like two in the morning. I'm sleeping.

508
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,120
Get out of here. However the commotion of the cars leaving was too much for

509
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,600
Tyler's neighbors not to notice. One neighbor Ray Ann Wallace lived next

510
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,520
door and had known Tyler since he was born. She liked the Hadleys and had

511
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,640
stated about Tyler quote he seemed like a happy kid

512
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:53,120
very respectful polite end quote. Cameron Adams the boy who ran into the

513
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,720
Hadleys at the gas station the previous night stated about Tyler after

514
00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:00,000
entering high school quote he had a bizarre personality

515
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,080
really hyper he'd always try to pull a crowd in the middle of a lesson he would

516
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,400
start laughing he would just blurt out stuff

517
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,240
end quote. Kind of seems like that could have been put in the beginning of the

518
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,040
party story but i wanted to put it here just to like remind everyone.

519
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,160
Yeah. At 2 a.m. with the cars leaving the street

520
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,600
Ray Ann got fed up she did not understand why Tyler was having such a

521
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,440
noisy party or why his parents were allowing it to happen.

522
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,800
When a group of boys from the party made their way onto her lawn and began

523
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,160
looking into her windows she called the police. Oh hell yeah.

524
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:35,600
What's that? Yeah. Two officers from the port St. Lucie PD arrived within minutes.

525
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,480
By that point there were fewer than 20 people left in the home

526
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,000
and when officers rang the doorbell Tyler hid everyone in his room and told

527
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,360
them to be quiet. Tyler answered the door and talked to the

528
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,800
police for a few moments. The cops had explained that there had

529
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,160
been noise complaints but with the house seemingly quiet they left Tyler with a

530
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,840
warning. Now they're like oh no clearly no teenagers

531
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,600
in here. Yeah. Don't want to do that paperwork. Yeah.

532
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:04,000
By 2 30 the party was back on. Tyler's friends began to return to the party

533
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,440
after realizing the other one was a bust and at this point it was becoming

534
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,920
clear that Tyler was not okay. Michael Mandel whom Tyler had confided

535
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,520
in about the killings had grabbed 10 percosep pills that Tyler was going to

536
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,520
use to commit suicide hid them in a hall closet and left the home.

537
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,440
Good for you Michael. Good for you. Three girls returned to the party

538
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,800
and once they entered Tyler was noted as slamming the door and looking out the

539
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,440
windows seemingly paranoid. Shortly after this Tyler began talking

540
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,960
to a friend by the name of David Garcia about the party.

541
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:40,400
Transcript nine. This is the last one. Okay. Tyler the party was fun. I might have

542
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,080
another one tomorrow night then I might be going away for a while.

543
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:50,240
Are you moving or vacation? Just going away. Are you coming back?

544
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,840
I don't know because I'm thinking about killing myself.

545
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,760
And then apparently he just like walks away and this kid's like

546
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,680
cool. Cool. You know what I mean? I don't know what happened after that but there's no other

547
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,240
verbiage. Shit. Tyler then turned the lights off in the front rooms to avoid

548
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:11,520
any more attention from police or neighbors. At 4 40 a.m Tyler posted once

549
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,760
again to his Facebook wall quote party at my house again hmu

550
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:21,040
end quote. What's hmu? I'm kidding. That's at almost 5 a.m though.

551
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,480
He's like fuck it I didn't get caught. I'm gonna have another one tomorrow. Keep

552
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:29,200
raging. The party might have. Ted Mosby does that. He does for three day party.

553
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:35,120
Just to get Robin to come. How I met your mother. Sorry. I was watching a lot of it.

554
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,160
So the party may have continued for a while if the police had not shown up at

555
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,080
Tyler's door at the very moment that he posted that status.

556
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,680
Michael had phoned crime stoppers and told them the whole story.

557
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,440
Good for you Michael. Other than the selfies. But at the same time. He was

558
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,800
probably fucking petrified. He was probably like okay I can't run out

559
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,120
right now because what if he does something to me?

560
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,600
What if it's. Or maybe he's like let's take a photo together so I can show

561
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,400
police what he looks like. What the crime scene is or whatever because he took a

562
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,680
picture in the garage. Yeah. Oh gosh. Officers Adrian Zamoyski and

563
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,440
Charles Green were dispatched to the home at 4 32 a.m.

564
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,640
They noticed three cars across the street and ran the plates.

565
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,600
The first car was registered to one Tyler Hadley and the other two to his parents.

566
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,600
As the officers walked up the driveway they heard some talking in the home.

567
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,880
Officer Green saw through the front window the shadow of a person

568
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,280
pacing. The officer knelt by the window and saw a very distraught Tyler

569
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,040
walking back and forth in the living room talking to himself with a quote

570
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,600
very disturbing look on his face and quote. The police report would read

571
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,160
quote his eyes were very wide and he was not blinking and quote.

572
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,880
Tyler then grabbed a stack of books from the bookshelf near the front of the

573
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,720
home murmured something to himself and dumped the books on the floor quote

574
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:52,880
in a frantic manner and quote. He would do this once or twice more

575
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,320
returning for a second and third stack of books.

576
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,480
Finally Officer Green walked to the front door and rang the doorbell.

577
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,600
There was no answer but Green could see Tyler through the window walking away

578
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,720
from the door. The rest of the house lights were turned

579
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:10,960
off and then the door opened. Tyler was wearing a black shirt and black

580
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,840
shorts a different outfit than the party goers saw him in

581
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,000
and when he opened the door he had his left hand behind his back.

582
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,320
Officer Green immediately pulled his gun thinking Tyler may have had a weapon.

583
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,600
The officer ordered Tyler to put his hands up and step out of the house to

584
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,040
which he complied. Officers would search him for weapons

585
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,400
finding none and ordered him to the ground and proceeded to handcuff him.

586
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,400
Do you think he was trying to die by cop? I think he was trying to make it look

587
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,680
like he had a weapon so yeah maybe they would shoot him or something.

588
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,960
Police asked whether or not Tyler's parents were home to which he responded

589
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,400
no. He seemed frantic, incoherent, and annoyed

590
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,320
according to the officers. Tyler stated to the men quote

591
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,000
I know I'm going to Rock Road referring to the St. Lucie County Jail Road

592
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,880
so just take me end quote. Leaving Tyler in the driveway police would enter the

593
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,200
home. Tyler shouted at them quote you can't go in there don't go in there

594
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:08,480
end quote like we have to. Like sorry but we're gonna we can smell

595
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,800
there's the bodies and musky teenagers. Yeah that's so awful.

596
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,080
Isn't that imagine imagine like being those officers I know they see things

597
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,240
like every day but like coming to a house party and then being like I know

598
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,440
that smell yeah like honestly. Well I watched a video

599
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,120
yesterday of a it was a nurse that had I believe was

600
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,720
murdered by her husband I think she had been stabbed

601
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:33,840
or murdered by somebody she had been stabbed and left in her bedroom. Anyways

602
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,120
there was a welfare check for her because she didn't show up to work and it was

603
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,720
very unlike her and so you know I don't know if it was

604
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:44,160
security of the property or something and she lived in kind of like a town

605
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,960
home. I think it might have been security for the property they're like we

606
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,640
legally can't go in there that's why we called you but there's no answer

607
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,320
and then they had seen a reddish brownish stain

608
00:42:54,320 --> 00:43:00,080
on the blinds and or something somewhere in the house and so of course they

609
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,280
knocked on the next door neighbor's door and she's like I haven't heard her

610
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,960
for like two days and usually she has her dog outside but I haven't seen that

611
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,440
dog either and so yeah the officer the door front door was

612
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,040
unlocked and he opens it and he goes well that doesn't smell good

613
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,160
yeah and he told the guys he told the security guys he's like you guys are

614
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,680
freaking me out like he already just the way that it was set up was so

615
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,480
ominous and sure enough she was deceased and that's how

616
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,760
helpful. Ugh they did catch that guy. Good.

617
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,000
Catch that guy. So with the officers entering the home obviously the home

618
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,560
was extremely destroyed with trash everywhere.

619
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,320
The furniture and Tyler's older brother's old bedroom was turned over and

620
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,600
Sophie their black lab was actually found locked in the closet so she was safe.

621
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,520
Oh. The cops went through the kitchen and approached the master bedroom

622
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,880
immediately noticing the streaks of dried blood on the frame and door knob.

623
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,720
I can't even imagine processing that scene like CSI.

624
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:56,080
Yeah. But like you have to process everything. You don't know what's

625
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,880
related to the crime and what's not. Exactly. Because you've had so many people

626
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,640
in the house. And there's so much DNA. Oh my god. That might have been the goal as well.

627
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,520
That sounds like a nightmare. Yeah that's true. He could have been like any one of

628
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,520
these people could have killed my parents. Yeah. The door was forced open and the

629
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,800
cops came across the horrible scene and we already know what happened so I'm not

630
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,960
gonna go back into that. The funeral service for Mary Jo and Blake Hadley

631
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,600
was attended by nearly 1,000 people. Wow. Mary Jo was a committed Catholic and she

632
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,040
was actually supposed to read a sermon at the church the day after she was murdered.

633
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,560
This included the verse from 1st Corinthians quote,

634
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,400
love is patient, love is kind, it always protects, always trusts, always hopes,

635
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,080
always perseveres, end quote. Which I want to do include because it's like

636
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,080
she tried to love him so much. She did. You know. And the best way that she knew how

637
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:46,320
given his disorders and his depression and she knew that she was she was compassionate

638
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:51,920
towards that because she experienced it herself. For sure. At the reception following the service,

639
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,520
Rayanne Wallace, the neighbor who called the cops, approached Ryan, Tyler's older brother.

640
00:44:56,240 --> 00:45:00,320
Ryan had planned to return to Port St. Lucy after graduating from college to work with

641
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:05,040
his father at the power plant. He also mentioned that following the reception he was going to

642
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,920
visit his brother in prison or jail. This would be the first time the brothers had seen each

643
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,480
other since the murders. Ryan was noted as stating about this visit quote,

644
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,160
it's what my parents would want me to do. They wouldn't want me to abandon him.

645
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,600
I don't know what I'm going to say. I'll probably just sit there and cry and quote.

646
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:27,760
That reminds me of Grant and Jason Amato. When Jason goes in there and he hugs Grant and he's

647
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:32,480
just like, why would you do that? It's awful. You know, and he knew it. He knew it was Grant,

648
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:38,080
but it's just like it's hard. I think it's just sibling things in general. For sure. Right.

649
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,880
But yeah, watching Jason just break down, lose his entire family and his brother go to prison.

650
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:47,120
Yeah, I mean, you're losing that person as well. Yeah. Many of Tyler's friends tried to

651
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,920
figure out the motives of his actions and one girl who attended the party but didn't know Tyler very

652
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:57,440
well actually blamed his parents. She stated quote, he was under a lot of pressure and like his parents

653
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,960
would never let him be himself. And honestly, I think that they caused everything that just

654
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,960
happened. His parents always expected him to be someone else that he wasn't. And that's just

655
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:10,400
not right. Anything Tyler would do, he'd be wrong for it. He just broke. Honestly, he got crazy

656
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,760
because of it. If you have that much hate for somebody, then you actually would do something

657
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:19,120
like that end quote. And that's okay. This is a Gypsy Ro situation. Yeah. And you obviously

658
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,200
don't know the whole story. Right. And we don't know the whole story. And you're not a psychiatrist.

659
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,120
Yeah, exactly. Like I don't, I just had to put that in there because I was like, I mean, sure,

660
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,080
not only she was thinking that, you know, I'm sure a lot of other people probably thought that,

661
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:35,280
which is awful. That's so true too, because and again, just to pull from another, you know,

662
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:42,960
episode that we covered the Menendez case, like the fact that like the whole trial, because I've

663
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:49,200
listened to most of the trial at this point, and I'm obsessed with it, Court TV.com Court TV.com

664
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:54,400
has everything they have every I mean, they have the entire OJ trial. I mean, any trial you can

665
00:46:54,400 --> 00:47:00,640
think of that was like huge. Anyways, the whole thing was that prosecution, like the defense

666
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:06,000
was saying the parents were murdered because they were abusing their sons. And the prosecution said,

667
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,960
what a terrible way to talk about someone, you know what I mean? Like it wasn't about, you know,

668
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,960
them being necessarily cold blooded, but they're like, and now they're trying to blame the victims.

669
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:20,000
Like that was the whole prosecution's case. And so it's kind of like, it seems like that it's

670
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:26,160
well, in certain cases, like the Menendez case or the Gypsy Rose case. Yeah, it's hard. It's a,

671
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,240
I feel like it's super gray area. There's it's not black and white, but in this case, and again,

672
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:35,280
we don't know the whole story. I don't think the parents really did anything wrong. I think that

673
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:41,120
they had the best intentions and trying to help their son. And Tyler just was too damaged. Yeah.

674
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:46,240
What we can safely say is that they tried to the best of their ability. What they thought was the

675
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:52,480
right actions to take for him for his mental health, for his safety, for their safety. And

676
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,520
not only that, but there was no sign of physical or physical abuse at least. We don't know what

677
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:02,000
the psychological, mental or emotional abuse was like if there was any. Exactly. But we can absolutely

678
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,240
say that they've never been investigated by this CDF, you know, whatever it is. No, for sure. And

679
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:10,480
we don't know what went on in that house. So we don't, again, we don't know. And that's what

680
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,080
actually my next point was, is that Tyler had actually told some of his friends, including

681
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,080
Michael, that his father had hit him in the past and punched him in the face, but that was never

682
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:23,760
determined to be true or false. So I don't know. And again, even if that's the case, that doesn't

683
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:29,520
mean that you need to kill somebody, you know, although I can't imagine if that was the case

684
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,440
being in that situation. Like I don't know what I would do if I was Tyler. And again, all of the

685
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,960
comorbid things that he was dealing with were the reason for this. Not maybe even if the parents did

686
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,760
have something to do with the abuse, that probably wouldn't have caused that to happen. Yeah. And

687
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:49,360
how long was that after Gypsy was caught? Like 24 hours, right? A couple days. A couple days. Okay.

688
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,720
Because I was going to say Mininda's brother is called the cops immediately, although they lied

689
00:48:52,720 --> 00:49:01,280
about what had happened with this guy, Tyler, with him, not just killing his parents because of

690
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,520
some type of pressure or whatever it is, but to throw a party. Throwing a party is like a slap

691
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:12,640
in the face. Hours is like dancing on a grave. Exactly. Exactly. Michael didn't believe that

692
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:19,520
the accusations about Blake being a physical abuser were true, but he said that even if it was true,

693
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,280
that he didn't believe that it could quote, lead to him murdering them. So he's just saying like,

694
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,480
even if that was the case, I don't think that Tyler would have killed them because of that.

695
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,160
So just like what we were saying. And it's true, we're not defense attorneys or prosecuting.

696
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:36,000
Yeah, of course. But yeah, but he was also a six foot something kid and he's 17 and, you know,

697
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:41,520
younger, spryer, had the ability to probably, you know, do some damage, but not necessarily kill

698
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,600
someone unless he intended to. Right. Yeah, definitely. And again, like we always say,

699
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,880
we're not professionals. This is just our opinion. And we're just comparing these cases just to see

700
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,240
the differences and then we're not saying that anyone was right or wrong. For sure. And I also

701
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:55,760
to mean to make that seem like, oh, well, if he was being abused, he could have defended himself

702
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:01,520
because psychological holds that people can have on one another. Even parent, parent child,

703
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,520
it can be huge. Just what we know about this case. It doesn't seem likely that he was being

704
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,840
abused anyway. Right. That's what I'm saying. Tyler also told his friend, Markey, that Blake

705
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,560
quote wasn't his real dad and quote, and Markey was amazed to find out during a police interview

706
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:19,680
that Tyler had lied about that. Oh, so he just like assumed that Tyler was like, oh, he's not

707
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,600
my biological dad anyways. And he's like, oh, okay. I guess. Well, I think he had told him that

708
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:29,200
like before. Like, yeah, it's happened. The most common rational reason for Tyler doing what he

709
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:34,320
did, according to his friends, was the drug use. However, even with a large amount of recreational

710
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:39,760
drugs that Tyler was consuming, none of them have been linked to violent tendencies. When police

711
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,560
searched the home, they uncovered prescription bottles in Tyler's name for hydroxazine, and,

712
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:49,120
which is a mild anti anxiety medication, as well as the Tyler pram, which is an anti-depressant.

713
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:54,880
So nothing that would consider to be like a, like a, a psych, not a psychedelic, what am I

714
00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:00,960
trying to say, like a psychosis inducing drug, like a PCP or he did, he was doing DMT, but DMT

715
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,320
has not ever been linked to violent tendencies. That's just what they're, what they're saying. I

716
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:10,880
don't know what they're saying. I've never done that. Tyler would later write to his grandparents

717
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,960
about the medications that he was prescribed, stating, quote, I wish I never started taking

718
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,600
that damn pill. None of this ever would have happened. The antidepressant. Well, we don't know.

719
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,360
It's unknown which medication Tyler was referring to, but it seems likely that it would be the

720
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:29,040
antidepressant, because it can be known to cause suicidal behavior and like irritability in adolescents.

721
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:35,120
And another letter sent to a friend, Tyler stated, quote, I regret everything I did. I swear it's

722
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:40,160
those drugs, man. End quote. And whenever he was found, okay, first of all, routine, right? We always

723
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,640
see, say that that helps him being in this, even if it isn't a jail or incarcerated setting,

724
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,800
that might be helping because he said this is a letter from jail. This is from jail while he

725
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:54,080
was awaiting trial. I see. Okay. But he still likely has a routine. Do you think that there's any

726
00:51:54,080 --> 00:52:00,800
type of regulation of medication? He's probably clearheaded because of no idea. He's probably

727
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,040
clearheaded because he's not using any drugs. Yeah. And if he was prescribed those medications,

728
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:11,040
then he is likely to be regulated on the same. Yeah, that's true. Although I might just

729
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:16,160
just spoke. I think this might have been after his sentencing that he said this, because Tyler

730
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,000
would actually contradict these statements when he told his friend Michael that he purposely

731
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,000
waited for his brother to move out before he killed his parents and he told him this six weeks

732
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:29,200
prior to sending these letters about the drugs being the reason. Okay. So he was like, it was

733
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,840
essentially he planned it and then now he's trying to say like, oh, it was for the drugs and you

734
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:39,040
know, whatever. While Tyler was in jail awaiting sentencing, he was also known as spending his

735
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:44,640
time signing autographs for fellow inmates. What? He would take a news article about the murder and

736
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:50,080
write quote, it's hammer time across the article and sign it with the nickname he had been given

737
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:58,240
by inmates hammer boy. It's hammer time. That's delulu. That's disgusting. Tyler was noted as

738
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:03,760
writing to friends and family while he was awaiting sentencing in jail. In a letter sent to his grandparents,

739
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:09,680
he seems overwhelmed with guilt quote, I was just living my life as a normal 17 year old kid. And

740
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:14,400
next thing I know, I'm in the middle of St. Lucie County jail. I ruined a lot of people's lives,

741
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,640
and I can't seem to forgive myself. I find myself crying a lot because of all the guilt.

742
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:23,600
Every day I beg for forgiveness and I ask God not to send me to hell. I don't want to go there.

743
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:28,560
Father Michael told me that if I just confess my sins and repent, then God will forgive me for

744
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:33,920
everything. I just can't get rid of all of this guilt. It's swallowing me whole. I'm extremely

745
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:38,400
nervous that I'm going to get a life sentence. It's making me pretty depressed. I want to say

746
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,040
I'm really sorry for all the grief I've stirred up. I know everyone thinks I'm a psychopath and all,

747
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:47,520
but I really am sorry for everything. I've been praying every day for forgiveness and for a decent

748
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:53,520
plea offer. I should get one since it's my first offense. I feel extremely bad for Ryan and especially

749
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:58,480
you and my other grandparents for the grief I've caused. I feel like Ryan doesn't love me anymore,

750
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,640
but I know he does and he's just going through a rough time. It's so hard going through this.

751
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,440
I'm scared and I feel so alone, dot, dot, dot, end quote.

752
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:13,600
He seems to have a very, um, chameleon like attitude towards people.

753
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:18,720
Yeah, I think so. Like it's easy for him to be a certain person in front of a certain person.

754
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:24,160
Yeah, I think so. I think that's, I don't know where it comes from, but yeah, I think you're

755
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,480
right. I think it's like, and you'll actually see it in this next letter. It's like, depending on

756
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:33,200
who he's talking to, he can kind of put on like a facade almost. It's an adaptation. He's adapting.

757
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:38,320
Tyler would also write to Michael Mandel, the friend who turned him in. However, this was not

758
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,800
without first placing the blame on Michael stating quote, I'm in jail because of you, end quote.

759
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:48,000
What? This letter is as follows, quote, I wish I could throw back some Miller lights and smoke a

760
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:53,120
fat ass strawberry white owl, but I gotta say it feels good to be sober. My head is nice and clear.

761
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,600
Make sure you drink some Miller for me. Drink yourself stupid like I used to do. I swear to you,

762
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:02,160
Michael, the devil had a hold on me. I talked to him and he talked to me. That's why I seem so

763
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,480
crazy toward the end. I'm not a cold-blooded monster like everyone thinks I am. I'm a caring

764
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,920
person that made a horrible mistake. You gotta let people know that, end quote.

765
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:16,880
He sounds like he's 60 years old. Like he's like, don't make the same mistakes I did, kid.

766
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,200
No, yeah, but he's telling his grandparents, I have all this grief. I feel so lumbobob that he

767
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,960
never writes his friend. He's like, have a fucking couple beers for me. You know what I mean? Like,

768
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:31,120
it's like through the world. Jesus, don't give me a start. So there's not a whole lot known about

769
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,200
the trial, but since Tyler was still a minor at the time of his crimes and arrest, he would be

770
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:40,160
unable to be issued the death penalty. Okay. In 2014, Tyler Hadley would be sentenced to life

771
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:45,360
imprisonment without the possibility of parole. Due to laws that had been kind of iffy around the

772
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:50,320
time, it was about like the handling of minors in the judicial system. Tyler was originally

773
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:55,840
entitled to having a judicial review at some point in the future, causing like a new sentencing almost.

774
00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:00,800
Okay. However, during the new sentencing that Tyler was allowed to have in December of 2018,

775
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,120
he was resentenced to life in prison. Okay. Now he doesn't have the option to be resentenced again,

776
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,440
because the law has been like in place now. So the resentencing or the potential for a resendencing

777
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:14,080
would have been because of his age, but now that he's of age. Yeah, I think it, I don't know how

778
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:18,560
exactly what it entails, but essentially it was like, you have a choice to get resentenced and like,

779
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,880
it just was the same result. Right. Yeah. But I guess it is like, you know, they take into account

780
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,600
because they have seen that. I think there was, oh, whatever that kid's name was, I think he killed

781
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:34,160
his parents too, or his mom, but he was like 14. Yeah. And so when his resendencing came up, they,

782
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:40,240
they made it a shorter sentence. He had been like highly abused and was in a very terrible situation.

783
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:45,520
And so, yeah, he was resendenced. I think he only got like a total of 26 plus time served.

784
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:51,040
So, or something like that. But either way, yeah, so it's an opportunity for him to be

785
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,360
resendenced, but now it's like, we've sent it to you now as an adult and this is your permanent

786
00:56:55,360 --> 00:57:01,440
still in prison for life. Tyler is currently in prison at the Oki Chobe Correctional Institution.

787
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:06,400
Oki Chobe. Oki Chobe. The morning after the party, the news of Tyler's arrest spread throughout the

788
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,960
youth of Port St. Lucille. When Mike Young, the kid who showed up with 10 people, found out,

789
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:16,080
he stated, quote, I was like, damn brother, that's creepy as hell. I can't believe he parted last

790
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,960
night where there was dead people, end quote. Yeah, bro. Super compassionate. When Anthony

791
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,600
Snook found out about the murders another party door, he stated, quote, wow, I just went to the

792
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,920
party of a lifetime. It's messed up what he did. But 20 years from now, I'll be able to say I was

793
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:36,640
there. I hate Port St. Lucille, but that's kind of cool. End quote. How is that cool? How is that

794
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:41,520
cool? I would be scarred for life. I wonder if these are the people that were invited at Tyler's

795
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:47,360
party. Didn't know what death smells like. Oh gosh. Following the sentence of Tyler, Blake

796
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,680
Hadley's brother Mike was noted as saying, quote, we hope we never have to do this again.

797
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,440
We're happy with the judge's decision. It was the right decision to make. And as far as we're

798
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,840
concerned, the only decision. We're very pleased that it's done. We feel like we've gone to another

799
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,920
funeral today. End quote. I can't imagine though, because it's like, what's the alternative? The

800
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:10,640
alternative is that what he comes home, what he's stay with you. Yeah. No, you know, if he has these

801
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:15,200
tendencies and he needs to be looked after. And you know, I mean, you can't provide that care,

802
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:20,640
that help or that clearly need some sort of structure. Yeah. Following the hearing, a psychiatrist

803
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:25,920
diagnosed Tyler with major depressive disorder with psychotic features. That's my case. Wow,

804
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:31,600
that is a doozy. I know it was a hugey doozy. When you said that at the beginning of the episode,

805
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,920
I was like, Oh, I do know this case, but I knew nothing about him. And you know, the case, I just

806
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:41,280
knew what had happened. What happened. Yeah. So that's interesting. Yeah, that's my case. Thank

807
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:46,640
you, Sarah, so much for requesting that one. I didn't necessarily, I mean, I never enjoy

808
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,400
researching a murder case, because I don't like when murder happens. But I'm glad that we brought

809
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:55,760
this case because it does need to be told. It does. And it's very rare. Parasite is extremely rare.

810
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:00,480
Yeah. And so it's definitely different than what we've covered. Yeah, that is interesting. I feel

811
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,360
like you hear about it every time it happens, because it is so rare. Yeah, exactly. But yeah,

812
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,880
that's the that's the case. Anything major depressive disorder. I mean, I think we've covered

813
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:14,640
it before. It's just extreme, extreme low lows and mood. And then with psychotic features,

814
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,640
that obviously explains like the laughing at himself in the mirror, the mania, the maniac,

815
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:26,480
the hyperactivity. Yeah. And then he was definitely extremely, what is it, making all those symptoms

816
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,880
that much worse with the drug use? For sure. Yeah. And we've definitely talked about that as

817
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:36,240
co-worn bitterty and especially with people on schizophrenic spectrum, that it can just exacerbate

818
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:43,760
that feeling of paranoia and psychosis and things like that. So yeah, it's never any good to combine

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that just because it can exacerbate those reactions. Yeah, definitely. Well, you guys keep

820
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sending in your suggestions because I'm going to be tackling a bunch of suggestions. Honestly,

821
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I feel like I just have so many that are requested. I'm like, I'm just going to do them.

822
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I have a couple of my lists already. If you've sent us a request via DM on Instagram,

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I have them all written down. So I'm going to get to those. Do not worry. And you guys can start

824
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buying your tickets to the True Crime and Paranova podcast festival that's happening next July,

825
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through the 12th and the 14th, the 12th through the 14th. Yes. And it's in Denver, Colorado. If

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you guys already are in Denver, I'm super excited to see you. Yes. And if you guys are traveling,

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obviously we're really excited to see you guys as well. Yeah. Stay safe in your travels. Yes,

828
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absolutely. And we will see you guys. We're going to see you guys after Christmas. Yeah. Oh yeah.

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We are going back to one or two episodes a week, starting in the beginning of the year. So we're

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going to start doing our mental breakdown Mondays. Yeah. On the first of the year. And then it's

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going to be Monday, Thursday, Monday, Thursday, like it used to be before the holidays. We also

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have a new Patreon or a DAK live coming out pretty soon. We have a Patreon episode coming out on the

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29th. And yeah, we have a lot of really exciting things. Check us out next Thursday. We're going

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to have a very special end of the year episode for you guys. Yes. Yeah. We'll probably announce that

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in a few days. Okay. All right. All right. We will see you guys later. Love you. Bye.

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