1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Hello! Hello! 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,500 Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer. 3 00:00:04,500 --> 00:00:06,500 My name is Kena. I'm Koelle. 4 00:00:06,500 --> 00:00:08,500 Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome! 5 00:00:08,500 --> 00:00:10,500 I feel like I already have to clear my throat. 6 00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:36,500 How's everybody doing? 7 00:00:36,500 --> 00:00:38,500 Doing alright. 8 00:00:38,500 --> 00:00:41,500 Yeah, just excited for the holidays. 9 00:00:41,500 --> 00:00:42,500 Yes. 10 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:43,500 Right around the corner. 11 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:45,000 Just around the corner. 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,500 Do you remember that from elementary school? 13 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:48,500 Did they ever show you that video in, 14 00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:51,500 when they made you watch a video about getting your period? 15 00:00:51,500 --> 00:00:52,500 No. 16 00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:54,500 It's a little, just around the corner. 17 00:00:54,500 --> 00:00:55,500 They would sing that. 18 00:00:55,500 --> 00:00:56,500 Like, it's just around the corner. 19 00:00:56,500 --> 00:00:57,500 You gotta be prepared. 20 00:00:57,500 --> 00:00:58,500 No. 21 00:00:58,500 --> 00:00:59,500 Yeah. 22 00:00:59,500 --> 00:01:01,500 I don't know if my friends would always go, 23 00:01:01,500 --> 00:01:04,500 Just around the corner is your period. 24 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:06,500 Maybe a little jingle. 25 00:01:06,500 --> 00:01:09,500 Just a little jingle for ya. 26 00:01:09,500 --> 00:01:13,500 Well, I for one am glad to be back and talking to the listeners. 27 00:01:13,500 --> 00:01:15,500 I know I speak for both of us when I say that as well. 28 00:01:15,500 --> 00:01:19,500 And it's been a good past couple of weeks. 29 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:20,500 Yeah. 30 00:01:20,500 --> 00:01:21,500 Yeah, everything's been going good. 31 00:01:21,500 --> 00:01:23,500 We're getting into a groove, I think. 32 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:24,500 Yeah. 33 00:01:24,500 --> 00:01:28,500 Yeah, with balancing school and work and family and, 34 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:31,500 you know, the holidays coming up and all that. 35 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:33,500 Yeah, I'm really excited for the holiday season. 36 00:01:33,500 --> 00:01:38,500 And thank you guys a lot for kind of diving into our mental breakdown Monday post. 37 00:01:38,500 --> 00:01:40,500 Because I feel like we've gotten a lot of good interaction on those. 38 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:41,500 Yeah. 39 00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:43,500 World Mental Health Day we also posted for. 40 00:01:43,500 --> 00:01:48,500 I hope everyone took care of themselves and did a little TLC or whatever it is that makes you happy. 41 00:01:48,500 --> 00:01:49,500 Yeah, it's been self care. 42 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:50,500 I did that today. 43 00:01:50,500 --> 00:01:51,500 Yeah. 44 00:01:51,500 --> 00:01:53,500 Just really needed it a little bit. 45 00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:55,500 You know, we always do that. 46 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:56,500 Smelling a little ripe. 47 00:01:56,500 --> 00:01:57,500 Oh my gosh. 48 00:01:57,500 --> 00:02:02,500 Well, during the break, two of my friends got engaged. 49 00:02:02,500 --> 00:02:05,500 So I do just want to say congratulations to Kirk and Abby. 50 00:02:05,500 --> 00:02:10,500 We were able to be there, excuse me, be there with them when they got engaged via helicopter. 51 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:11,500 And it was pretty cool. 52 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:12,500 Helicopter. 53 00:02:12,500 --> 00:02:13,500 Yeah, it was really cool. 54 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:14,500 We saw them like fly in. 55 00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:17,500 I don't think I've ever been under a helicopter like the wind. 56 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:18,500 It was a lot of wind. 57 00:02:18,500 --> 00:02:19,500 It was a lot. 58 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:20,500 Yeah. 59 00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:21,500 But it was a beautiful day. 60 00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:22,500 We had a great night. 61 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:23,500 And congrats guys. 62 00:02:23,500 --> 00:02:24,500 That's awesome. 63 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:25,500 Congratulations. 64 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:28,500 Do you have anything before we get started? 65 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:29,500 No, not really. 66 00:02:29,500 --> 00:02:33,500 I'm really appreciating everybody's circulating some of our older episodes. 67 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:38,500 We've noticed a little bit of a spike in those earlier episodes being shared, downloaded, 68 00:02:38,500 --> 00:02:40,500 all that stuff commented on. 69 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:45,900 So thank you so much guys for continuing to support us by word of mouth or sharing our 70 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:47,500 posts and all that other great stuff. 71 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:48,500 Yeah, absolutely. 72 00:02:48,500 --> 00:02:52,500 It's always nice to have some new listeners and then of course our lovely loyal listeners. 73 00:02:52,500 --> 00:02:53,500 Triple L. 74 00:02:53,500 --> 00:02:54,500 Triple L. 75 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:55,500 Lovely loyal listeners. 76 00:02:55,500 --> 00:02:56,500 Triple L. 77 00:02:56,500 --> 00:02:57,500 Triple L. 78 00:02:57,500 --> 00:02:58,500 I was like, what are you saying? 79 00:02:58,500 --> 00:02:59,500 That's so funny. 80 00:02:59,500 --> 00:03:01,500 And then we also just want to shout out our Patreon members. 81 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:03,000 Of course you guys are awesome. 82 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,500 We had a new episode come out on the 29th. 83 00:03:04,500 --> 00:03:06,500 I'm sure you guys enjoyed that one. 84 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:07,500 I am. 85 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:09,500 I don't know. 86 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:11,500 Should we announce at the end of this what we're doing for our Patreon? 87 00:03:11,500 --> 00:03:12,500 I don't know. 88 00:03:12,500 --> 00:03:13,500 You have it. 89 00:03:13,500 --> 00:03:14,500 I don't even know what you're doing. 90 00:03:14,500 --> 00:03:15,500 You don't know what I'm doing. 91 00:03:15,500 --> 00:03:16,500 I think you might have told me but I forgot already. 92 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:17,500 Oh my gosh. 93 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:21,500 It's definitely something that shaped America. 94 00:03:21,500 --> 00:03:26,500 Yeah, it's actually a request as well. 95 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:35,420 It is a request from a while back and it's really intense having to submerge yourself 96 00:03:35,420 --> 00:03:43,220 into this world of something that was so shocking for the time. 97 00:03:43,220 --> 00:03:51,180 And it's something that me and pretty much everyone around my age and older definitely 98 00:03:51,180 --> 00:03:52,500 remembers. 99 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:57,980 Again, it's one of those topics that it's hard to talk about. 100 00:03:57,980 --> 00:04:04,980 It's definitely going to contain some graphic content and some really kind of, personally 101 00:04:04,980 --> 00:04:13,700 for me, feeling kind of this weird spot in my brain where it's like there is leftover 102 00:04:13,700 --> 00:04:14,700 residual. 103 00:04:14,700 --> 00:04:17,580 I wouldn't say trauma because I wasn't there. 104 00:04:17,580 --> 00:04:24,180 It's definitely something that we still experience today on a scale that is beyond. 105 00:04:24,180 --> 00:04:32,260 But this was an event that was, it just shaped the way that the world thought about this 106 00:04:32,260 --> 00:04:33,260 particular topic. 107 00:04:33,260 --> 00:04:35,260 Do you want to just go ahead and say it? 108 00:04:35,260 --> 00:04:37,780 I'm pretty sure the listeners already know. 109 00:04:37,780 --> 00:04:40,100 Well, usually we wait until the end of an episode. 110 00:04:40,100 --> 00:04:41,100 Okay, let's wait. 111 00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:42,100 We'll wait. 112 00:04:42,100 --> 00:04:43,100 All right. 113 00:04:43,100 --> 00:04:45,860 But look forward to that one and that's actually Halloween weekend and that one's coming out 114 00:04:45,860 --> 00:04:47,700 as well. 115 00:04:47,700 --> 00:04:50,300 And we are going to get into this episode, but one more thing I wanted to do is just 116 00:04:50,300 --> 00:04:51,900 shout out Bryson and Sophia. 117 00:04:51,900 --> 00:04:53,220 They are our listeners of ours. 118 00:04:53,220 --> 00:04:57,540 I actually had the pleasure of meeting Bryson a couple weeks ago and his mom was telling 119 00:04:57,540 --> 00:04:59,740 me, oh, he's a true crime fan, true crime fan. 120 00:04:59,740 --> 00:05:00,740 You should tell him about your podcast. 121 00:05:00,740 --> 00:05:02,220 And I said, what's the name of your podcast? 122 00:05:02,220 --> 00:05:03,860 And I told him and he goes, oh, you mean this one? 123 00:05:03,860 --> 00:05:04,860 He showed me on his phone. 124 00:05:04,860 --> 00:05:05,860 He said, we listened. 125 00:05:05,860 --> 00:05:07,540 We have my best friend, Sophia, listen. 126 00:05:07,540 --> 00:05:08,660 So thank you guys. 127 00:05:08,660 --> 00:05:12,180 And thanks for being so awesome and loyal and fun. 128 00:05:12,180 --> 00:05:13,180 Yeah, supportive. 129 00:05:13,180 --> 00:05:14,180 Absolutely. 130 00:05:14,180 --> 00:05:15,980 And we are going to get into this case. 131 00:05:15,980 --> 00:05:19,260 And I don't know if I said it just yet on the episode, but this is a requested case 132 00:05:19,260 --> 00:05:20,460 as well. 133 00:05:20,460 --> 00:05:24,780 This is requested by one of our lovely listeners, a fellow Texan by the name of Connie. 134 00:05:24,780 --> 00:05:25,780 Hi, Connie. 135 00:05:25,780 --> 00:05:26,940 So Connie, here it is. 136 00:05:26,940 --> 00:05:30,220 We are going to be talking about Mary Ann Cotton. 137 00:05:30,220 --> 00:05:31,220 Mary Ann Cotton. 138 00:05:31,220 --> 00:05:32,220 Have you heard of Mary Ann Cotton? 139 00:05:32,220 --> 00:05:33,220 I don't think so. 140 00:05:33,220 --> 00:05:34,220 Okay. 141 00:05:34,220 --> 00:05:35,220 Well, that's a British case. 142 00:05:35,220 --> 00:05:36,220 Okay. 143 00:05:36,220 --> 00:05:37,220 Oh, okay. 144 00:05:37,220 --> 00:05:38,220 That's another British case. 145 00:05:38,220 --> 00:05:39,220 Okay. 146 00:05:39,220 --> 00:05:40,220 Content warning. 147 00:05:40,220 --> 00:05:44,900 Child abuse, child neglect, deaths of minors, and execution. 148 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:47,980 If this episode is not for you, we encourage you to find another one of our episodes. 149 00:05:47,980 --> 00:05:51,020 Remember, your mental health is very important to us and we love you. 150 00:05:51,020 --> 00:05:52,020 Love you. 151 00:05:52,020 --> 00:05:53,020 Bye. 152 00:05:53,020 --> 00:05:54,260 So yes, another requested case. 153 00:05:54,260 --> 00:05:55,700 I'm really excited to get into it. 154 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:56,700 Are you ready? 155 00:05:56,700 --> 00:05:57,700 Yes. 156 00:05:57,700 --> 00:05:58,700 Okay. 157 00:05:58,700 --> 00:06:05,460 Mary Ann Robson was born on October 31st, 1832 in Laos Morsley County Durham to parents 158 00:06:05,460 --> 00:06:08,300 Margaret Lonsdale and Michael Robson. 159 00:06:08,300 --> 00:06:09,500 So this is our Halloween episode. 160 00:06:09,500 --> 00:06:10,500 Yes. 161 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:15,740 I'm going to just say there is so many names that are the same in this case because they 162 00:06:15,740 --> 00:06:17,420 didn't have any names back in the 1830s. 163 00:06:17,420 --> 00:06:18,420 Okay. 164 00:06:18,420 --> 00:06:19,580 They all had to have the same name. 165 00:06:19,580 --> 00:06:21,260 So just keep that in mind as we go. 166 00:06:21,260 --> 00:06:23,500 So a lot of Jim's and a lot of Mary's and a lot of Bob's. 167 00:06:23,500 --> 00:06:26,100 A lot of Michael's, a lot of Margaret's. 168 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:30,300 Father Michael was a coal miner and mom Margaret was a homemaker. 169 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:34,860 Mary would be baptized very shortly after birth on November 11th and her sister Margaret 170 00:06:34,860 --> 00:06:37,140 would also be born in 1834. 171 00:06:37,140 --> 00:06:39,740 So the mom's Margaret and the little girl's Margaret. 172 00:06:39,740 --> 00:06:40,740 Oh yeah. 173 00:06:40,740 --> 00:06:41,740 Oh yeah. 174 00:06:41,740 --> 00:06:42,740 Oh yeah. 175 00:06:42,740 --> 00:06:47,220 Unfortunately, little Margaret would only survive a few months after being born. 176 00:06:47,220 --> 00:06:48,220 This was nothing sinister. 177 00:06:48,220 --> 00:06:49,220 It was just the 1830s. 178 00:06:49,220 --> 00:06:50,220 It was the 1830s. 179 00:06:50,220 --> 00:06:51,220 He said there's something. 180 00:06:51,220 --> 00:06:52,220 Yeah. 181 00:06:52,220 --> 00:06:53,220 That's sad. 182 00:06:53,220 --> 00:06:58,580 The Robsons would welcome another child in 1835, Robert, just a year later. 183 00:06:58,580 --> 00:07:02,420 When Mary was eight years old, the family would move to Merton from County Durham. 184 00:07:02,420 --> 00:07:05,380 By the way, this is like not a lot of childhood because again from the 18 fucking hundreds. 185 00:07:05,380 --> 00:07:06,380 Okay. 186 00:07:06,380 --> 00:07:08,140 I'm gonna get as much information as I could. 187 00:07:08,140 --> 00:07:09,140 Exactly. 188 00:07:09,140 --> 00:07:10,140 Newspapers didn't even exist. 189 00:07:10,140 --> 00:07:11,140 I don't think they did. 190 00:07:11,140 --> 00:07:12,780 And you'll see why. 191 00:07:12,780 --> 00:07:15,060 Okay, here we go. 192 00:07:15,060 --> 00:07:20,620 According to a Sunday school teacher of Mary's, growing up, Mary was quote, a most exemplary 193 00:07:20,620 --> 00:07:25,820 and regular attendee, a girl of innocent disposition and average intelligence and distinguished 194 00:07:25,820 --> 00:07:28,540 for her particularly clean and tidy appearance. 195 00:07:28,540 --> 00:07:29,540 Appearance, excuse me. 196 00:07:29,540 --> 00:07:30,540 Okay. 197 00:07:30,540 --> 00:07:31,540 So nice girl, right? 198 00:07:31,540 --> 00:07:32,940 She's growing up. 199 00:07:32,940 --> 00:07:38,020 Within two years of the family move in February of 1842, Michael Robson was involved in a 200 00:07:38,020 --> 00:07:45,060 mining accident in which he fell 150 feet or 46 meters to his death down a mine shaft. 201 00:07:45,060 --> 00:07:46,060 Oh my God. 202 00:07:46,060 --> 00:07:47,340 Yeah. 203 00:07:47,340 --> 00:07:51,300 When his body was returned to his family, it was actually noted as being in a sack with 204 00:07:51,300 --> 00:07:56,060 a stamp stating quote, property of the South Hetten coal company and quote. 205 00:07:56,060 --> 00:08:00,020 So it's like, Hey, yeah, here's your husband, but we need that bag. 206 00:08:00,020 --> 00:08:02,700 We're gonna need that bag. 207 00:08:02,700 --> 00:08:03,820 We wanted the bag back. 208 00:08:03,820 --> 00:08:04,820 I don't know. 209 00:08:04,820 --> 00:08:05,820 I was just suggesting. 210 00:08:05,820 --> 00:08:10,900 No, it was more like to signify that he was property. 211 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:11,900 Yeah. 212 00:08:11,900 --> 00:08:15,420 Not property, but you know, like this happened here and here's the, I don't know, maybe 213 00:08:15,420 --> 00:08:17,300 the company horrific. 214 00:08:17,300 --> 00:08:18,300 It's terrible. 215 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:20,100 But I feel like everyone was a coal miner back then. 216 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:21,100 You know what I'm saying? 217 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:24,540 It's like they were the employees were treated like, like they were. 218 00:08:24,540 --> 00:08:25,540 Yeah. 219 00:08:25,540 --> 00:08:28,060 Like they were owned by the company, like their property. 220 00:08:28,060 --> 00:08:29,620 Yeah, for sure. 221 00:08:29,620 --> 00:08:33,900 Along with returning Michael's body, the mine company had to break the news to Margaret, 222 00:08:33,900 --> 00:08:38,420 Robert and Mary that they would be evicted from the home as it was owned by the company. 223 00:08:38,420 --> 00:08:41,900 So they were living there because he had the job there. 224 00:08:41,900 --> 00:08:43,500 They were paying for his lodging or whatever. 225 00:08:43,500 --> 00:08:44,500 Yeah. 226 00:08:44,500 --> 00:08:45,500 Or providing lodging for him. 227 00:08:45,500 --> 00:08:46,500 Yeah, which is awful. 228 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:47,500 Oh, God. 229 00:08:47,500 --> 00:08:48,500 Can you imagine? 230 00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:50,500 Like, sorry, I know your husband is dying. 231 00:08:50,500 --> 00:08:51,500 I know your husband is dying. 232 00:08:51,500 --> 00:08:52,500 Can you like, get the fuck out of here? 233 00:08:52,500 --> 00:08:54,500 Pack all your shit within the next three days. 234 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:55,500 Thanks. 235 00:08:55,500 --> 00:08:56,500 Thanks. 236 00:08:56,500 --> 00:08:57,500 No, it's terrible. 237 00:08:57,500 --> 00:09:01,540 I honestly can't even imagine, even today, like can't even imagine. 238 00:09:01,540 --> 00:09:06,700 In the year 1843, Margaret would remarry to a man by the name of George Stott, also a 239 00:09:06,700 --> 00:09:07,700 coal miner. 240 00:09:07,700 --> 00:09:09,100 That was just a year later. 241 00:09:09,100 --> 00:09:11,780 This was, you know, this was, yeah, you write? 242 00:09:11,780 --> 00:09:12,780 42, 43. 243 00:09:12,780 --> 00:09:13,780 Yeah, you write. 244 00:09:13,780 --> 00:09:14,780 Yeah, you write. 245 00:09:14,780 --> 00:09:16,780 So she was able to live back on the property that she's been providing. 246 00:09:16,780 --> 00:09:17,780 Yeah, she's like, oh, you know what? 247 00:09:17,780 --> 00:09:20,620 As a matter of fact, I'm married to someone else that you work for or that works for you. 248 00:09:20,620 --> 00:09:24,380 So I'm just going to move my stuff right over here. 249 00:09:24,380 --> 00:09:25,380 Yeah. 250 00:09:25,380 --> 00:09:27,380 I mean, you got to do what you got to do, you know? 251 00:09:27,380 --> 00:09:28,380 Yeah. 252 00:09:28,380 --> 00:09:32,140 At the age of 16, Mary would leave home and would become a nurse at the nearby village 253 00:09:32,140 --> 00:09:33,780 of South Hetton. 254 00:09:33,780 --> 00:09:37,660 This job would be at the home of a manager of a colliery, Edward Potter. 255 00:09:37,660 --> 00:09:39,780 A colliery is like a mining company. 256 00:09:39,780 --> 00:09:40,780 Okay. 257 00:09:40,780 --> 00:09:41,940 I kind of figured that out. 258 00:09:41,940 --> 00:09:45,620 Mary would return back home with her mother and stepfather within three years and would 259 00:09:45,620 --> 00:09:48,500 change careers to become a dressmaker. 260 00:09:48,500 --> 00:09:50,860 So she was a nurse for three years and then she became a dressmaker? 261 00:09:50,860 --> 00:09:51,860 Mm-hmm. 262 00:09:51,860 --> 00:09:52,860 Okay. 263 00:09:52,860 --> 00:09:53,860 And she's like 20 at this point. 264 00:09:53,860 --> 00:09:55,460 So she worked for someone when she was a nurse. 265 00:09:55,460 --> 00:09:56,460 Mm-hmm. 266 00:09:56,460 --> 00:10:00,540 And she was like an at-home nurse. 267 00:10:00,540 --> 00:10:02,540 It was like an at-home nursing service. 268 00:10:02,540 --> 00:10:03,540 I can't talk today. 269 00:10:03,540 --> 00:10:04,540 Bird. 270 00:10:04,540 --> 00:10:05,540 Okay. 271 00:10:05,540 --> 00:10:07,700 Well, this is what happens when we take an entire week off and for two weeks off in 272 00:10:07,700 --> 00:10:08,700 between episodes. 273 00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:10,540 I can't talk. 274 00:10:10,540 --> 00:10:13,300 I forget how to podcast. 275 00:10:13,300 --> 00:10:18,940 At the age of 20 in 1852, Mary would meet and marry a man by the name of William Malbray, 276 00:10:18,940 --> 00:10:22,500 a collier laborer at Newcastle Upton Tine Registrar Office. 277 00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:23,500 Whoa. 278 00:10:23,500 --> 00:10:24,500 It's unmouthable. 279 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:25,500 No, it's unmouthable. 280 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:29,340 So she would soon move to Southwest England and would go on to have eight or nine children 281 00:10:29,340 --> 00:10:30,420 together. 282 00:10:30,420 --> 00:10:31,700 Eight or nine. 283 00:10:31,700 --> 00:10:35,980 This is not exactly documented as the only child that who would have had a birth certificate 284 00:10:35,980 --> 00:10:42,180 would be her daughter Margaret Jane, born at St. Germans in 1856. 285 00:10:42,180 --> 00:10:45,020 So it's thought that they had eight to nine kids, but only one of them had a record of 286 00:10:45,020 --> 00:10:46,020 their birth. 287 00:10:46,020 --> 00:10:48,060 Like an actual birth certificate. 288 00:10:48,060 --> 00:10:52,580 As time went on, four or five of Mary and William's children would ultimately end up 289 00:10:52,580 --> 00:10:58,420 passing away from gastric fever or typhoid fever with their deaths not being recorded 290 00:10:58,420 --> 00:10:59,420 either. 291 00:10:59,420 --> 00:11:00,420 Yeah. 292 00:11:00,420 --> 00:11:03,060 This sounds kind of silly to us like today because it's like, why didn't they report 293 00:11:03,060 --> 00:11:04,060 their deaths? 294 00:11:04,060 --> 00:11:07,540 But during this time, it actually wasn't illegal to not report a death because honestly, it 295 00:11:07,540 --> 00:11:09,060 was really frequent. 296 00:11:09,060 --> 00:11:13,140 And the law that enforced reporting deaths was actually not passed until 1856. 297 00:11:13,140 --> 00:11:14,140 Okay. 298 00:11:14,140 --> 00:11:18,300 Mary and William would move the family back to back to Northeast England where William 299 00:11:18,300 --> 00:11:23,220 would work as a fireman on a steamboat sailing out of Sunderland. 300 00:11:23,220 --> 00:11:27,740 He would then go on to become a colliery foreman and the two would welcome another child, Isabella, 301 00:11:27,740 --> 00:11:28,740 in 1858. 302 00:11:28,740 --> 00:11:32,420 So so far we only know of two children's names, Margaret and Isabella. 303 00:11:32,420 --> 00:11:33,420 Yes. 304 00:11:33,420 --> 00:11:34,420 Okay. 305 00:11:34,420 --> 00:11:39,180 Margaret Jane would pass away at just four years old in 1860. 306 00:11:39,180 --> 00:11:44,500 One year after their daughter's passing in 1861, Mary and William would have a get another 307 00:11:44,500 --> 00:11:47,780 girl and would do the logical thing that any parent would do. 308 00:11:47,780 --> 00:11:49,980 They named this child Margaret Jane. 309 00:11:49,980 --> 00:11:50,980 No. 310 00:11:50,980 --> 00:11:51,980 No. 311 00:11:51,980 --> 00:11:52,980 Middle name as well. 312 00:11:52,980 --> 00:11:53,980 Margaret Jane. 313 00:11:53,980 --> 00:11:57,740 So you had a daughter named Margaret Jane that died. 314 00:11:57,740 --> 00:12:00,740 You're going to have another kid and essentially say, oh, this is Margaret Jane. 315 00:12:00,740 --> 00:12:01,740 This is a deep, Margaret Jane. 316 00:12:01,740 --> 00:12:02,740 Yeah. 317 00:12:02,740 --> 00:12:05,860 Like I didn't think they were trying to pass her off as like Margaret Jane, but like, 318 00:12:05,860 --> 00:12:06,860 why would you name her the same thing? 319 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:08,100 Like you can't replace that child. 320 00:12:08,100 --> 00:12:09,100 Yeah. 321 00:12:09,100 --> 00:12:11,140 It's also her sister's name and her mother's name. 322 00:12:11,140 --> 00:12:12,780 So there's three Margaret's in this family now. 323 00:12:12,780 --> 00:12:13,780 Very true. 324 00:12:13,780 --> 00:12:14,780 Yeah. 325 00:12:14,780 --> 00:12:16,820 Well, her sister's passed away, but still. 326 00:12:16,820 --> 00:12:22,300 The couple would then welcome a son, John Robert William, in 1863, but he would unfortunately 327 00:12:22,300 --> 00:12:27,020 pass away as well just a year later from gastric fever. 328 00:12:27,020 --> 00:12:28,860 Do you see the correlation here? 329 00:12:28,860 --> 00:12:29,860 Your eyebrows? 330 00:12:29,860 --> 00:12:31,060 Get the hint. 331 00:12:31,060 --> 00:12:36,580 No, it's not funny, but in response to these deaths, William decided to take out a life 332 00:12:36,580 --> 00:12:38,820 insurance policy should anything happen to him. 333 00:12:38,820 --> 00:12:41,060 He's like, okay, everyone's getting sick in this family. 334 00:12:41,060 --> 00:12:44,580 Like I need to protect you guys just in case I get the fever. 335 00:12:44,580 --> 00:12:45,580 Sure. 336 00:12:45,580 --> 00:12:48,900 After all, he was in a household of people who were continuously getting deathly ill, 337 00:12:48,900 --> 00:12:50,380 like I just said. 338 00:12:50,380 --> 00:12:56,100 In January of 1865, William would pass away from an intestinal disorder, leaving Mary 339 00:12:56,100 --> 00:13:02,260 and their remaining children with a life insurance payout of 35 pounds or about $4,000 today. 340 00:13:02,260 --> 00:13:04,660 There's 35 pounds back then, obviously. 341 00:13:04,660 --> 00:13:06,660 Right, but $4,000 back then. 342 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:07,660 Yes. 343 00:13:07,660 --> 00:13:10,020 So how much is $4,000 today? 344 00:13:10,020 --> 00:13:14,220 I'm glad you asked, because it would be just north of about 71K. 345 00:13:14,220 --> 00:13:15,220 Okay. 346 00:13:15,220 --> 00:13:17,660 That just makes sense, because he was like a foreman or something. 347 00:13:17,660 --> 00:13:18,660 Yeah. 348 00:13:18,660 --> 00:13:19,660 Okay. 349 00:13:19,660 --> 00:13:22,980 Shortly after William's death, Mary would move to Seaham Harbor, County Durham, where 350 00:13:22,980 --> 00:13:27,820 she would meet and quickly begin dating a married man by the name of Joseph Natras. 351 00:13:27,820 --> 00:13:29,780 Was he also a minor? 352 00:13:29,780 --> 00:13:30,780 Probably. 353 00:13:30,780 --> 00:13:35,020 Around this time, Mary's three and a half year old daughter, the second Margaret Jane, 354 00:13:35,020 --> 00:13:38,460 would pass away from typhus fever. 355 00:13:38,460 --> 00:13:42,180 Mary Jane's death, excuse me, Margaret Jane's death would leave Mary with just one child 356 00:13:42,180 --> 00:13:45,340 left out of the presumed nine that she had with William. 357 00:13:45,340 --> 00:13:46,340 And that's Isabella? 358 00:13:46,340 --> 00:13:47,340 Yes. 359 00:13:47,340 --> 00:13:51,180 Following the death of her daughter, Mary would break up with Joseph and move back to 360 00:13:51,180 --> 00:13:53,940 ... I just realized her names are Mary and Joseph, I will. 361 00:13:53,940 --> 00:13:58,900 And move back to Sunderland and begin working in the Sunderland Infirmary, House of Recovering 362 00:13:58,900 --> 00:14:03,580 for the Cure of Contagious Fever, Dispensary and Humane Society. 363 00:14:03,580 --> 00:14:04,580 That's the name of this... 364 00:14:04,580 --> 00:14:05,580 What? 365 00:14:05,580 --> 00:14:09,060 It's like stupid, stupid log. 366 00:14:09,060 --> 00:14:10,060 It's so wrong. 367 00:14:10,060 --> 00:14:11,060 Why? 368 00:14:11,060 --> 00:14:12,060 I don't know. 369 00:14:12,060 --> 00:14:13,060 You know, I don't know. 370 00:14:13,060 --> 00:14:14,060 I don't know. 371 00:14:14,060 --> 00:14:15,060 So, I guess, I guess it's like a different thing. 372 00:14:15,060 --> 00:14:16,060 Is it a different thing? 373 00:14:16,060 --> 00:14:17,060 Is it an infrequent? 374 00:14:17,060 --> 00:14:18,060 I mean, a dispensary would be like a pharmacy. 375 00:14:18,060 --> 00:14:19,060 Yeah, a pharmacy. 376 00:14:19,060 --> 00:14:20,060 Yeah, there was still a fucking pond. 377 00:14:20,060 --> 00:14:21,060 There was a... 378 00:14:21,060 --> 00:14:22,060 Yeah. 379 00:14:22,060 --> 00:14:25,220 Upon arriving in Sunderland, Mary would send her surviving child, Isabella, to live with 380 00:14:25,220 --> 00:14:26,220 her mother Margaret. 381 00:14:26,220 --> 00:14:28,060 Clearly, she can't take care of these children because they all keep dying. 382 00:14:28,060 --> 00:14:29,060 They all keep dying. 383 00:14:29,060 --> 00:14:31,500 She's like, oh, yeah, let me just send you my sick child. 384 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:32,660 Well, she's not sick. 385 00:14:32,660 --> 00:14:33,660 She's fine. 386 00:14:33,660 --> 00:14:34,660 She could be, though. 387 00:14:34,660 --> 00:14:35,660 Are you true? 388 00:14:35,660 --> 00:14:39,260 While working at the practice with the longest name in the world, Mary would have a patient 389 00:14:39,260 --> 00:14:43,460 by the name of George Ward, and the two would begin dating. 390 00:14:43,460 --> 00:14:44,660 The two would quickly get married. 391 00:14:44,660 --> 00:14:45,660 Yeah. 392 00:14:45,660 --> 00:14:50,260 Tying the knot on August 28th, 1865, just seven months after William died. 393 00:14:50,260 --> 00:14:51,260 Seven months? 394 00:14:51,260 --> 00:14:52,260 Oh, yeah. 395 00:14:52,260 --> 00:14:53,260 She's just like her mom, right? 396 00:14:53,260 --> 00:14:54,260 Turn around, marry another girl. 397 00:14:54,260 --> 00:14:55,980 Yeah, you got... you have to. 398 00:14:55,980 --> 00:14:56,980 It's the hustle. 399 00:14:56,980 --> 00:14:59,140 So, George is one of her patients again. 400 00:14:59,140 --> 00:15:03,820 George was seriously ill, suffering from paralysis and intestinal problems. 401 00:15:03,820 --> 00:15:07,860 These complications would seemingly ultimately end his life just a little over a year after 402 00:15:07,860 --> 00:15:10,300 the wedding date on October 20th, 1866. 403 00:15:10,300 --> 00:15:11,300 Oh, no. 404 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:12,300 Okay, no. 405 00:15:12,300 --> 00:15:13,300 This chick... okay. 406 00:15:13,300 --> 00:15:14,300 We already knew, right? 407 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:16,300 I mean, we have our suspicion. 408 00:15:16,300 --> 00:15:17,300 Her name is the name. 409 00:15:17,300 --> 00:15:18,300 It's so true. 410 00:15:18,300 --> 00:15:23,300 Every time I'm like, well, I can't speculate. 411 00:15:23,300 --> 00:15:26,940 Well, also, yeah, there's no speculating who's the culprit, right? 412 00:15:26,940 --> 00:15:27,940 That's the downside to our podcast. 413 00:15:27,940 --> 00:15:28,940 Like, you already know who did it. 414 00:15:28,940 --> 00:15:29,940 You already know. 415 00:15:29,940 --> 00:15:30,940 This is not a who-done-it podcast. 416 00:15:30,940 --> 00:15:31,940 Not a thriller. 417 00:15:31,940 --> 00:15:32,940 Yeah, we're not a thriller. 418 00:15:32,940 --> 00:15:35,940 But now she's like actually seeking to get a job. 419 00:15:35,940 --> 00:15:39,180 Now she's like actually seeking sick people out. 420 00:15:39,180 --> 00:15:40,940 Well, it kind of, yeah, it kind of seems that way. 421 00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:44,940 And again, he was very ill, but the cause of death on his death certificate would say 422 00:15:44,940 --> 00:15:48,420 that he died due to an English cholera and typhoid fever. 423 00:15:48,420 --> 00:15:52,260 So, not what he was... his ailments were when he was in the home. 424 00:15:52,260 --> 00:15:53,260 Other than the tummy stuff. 425 00:15:53,260 --> 00:15:54,260 He said that he was sick. 426 00:15:54,260 --> 00:15:56,140 Yeah, he had intestinal stuff, yeah. 427 00:15:56,140 --> 00:16:00,700 The attending doctor at the practice had later stated that while George had been very ill, 428 00:16:00,700 --> 00:16:02,460 the quickness of his death was very surprising. 429 00:16:02,460 --> 00:16:03,460 I see. 430 00:16:03,460 --> 00:16:04,460 He didn't expect him to die that soon. 431 00:16:04,460 --> 00:16:05,460 I see. 432 00:16:05,460 --> 00:16:09,900 So, once again, Mary would collect life insurance from the death of her husband. 433 00:16:09,900 --> 00:16:14,860 A month later, Mary would meet and begin working for a man by the name of James Robinson, 434 00:16:14,860 --> 00:16:17,100 a shipyard foreman. 435 00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:20,780 Mary would begin her employment for James by becoming his housekeeper. 436 00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:25,340 James was a widower whose wife, Hannah, had recently died, and the two had multiple children 437 00:16:25,340 --> 00:16:29,460 together, so Mary began working for him to help around the house. 438 00:16:29,460 --> 00:16:32,540 This is in November of 1866. 439 00:16:32,540 --> 00:16:38,180 One month later, James' baby, John, would pass away of gastric fever, and he was absolutely 440 00:16:38,180 --> 00:16:39,180 devastated. 441 00:16:39,180 --> 00:16:44,620 Heartbroken, James would turn to Mary for comfort, and the two would become intimate. 442 00:16:44,620 --> 00:16:48,740 So, his wife has already passed, then his baby passed. 443 00:16:48,740 --> 00:16:49,740 One of his children. 444 00:16:49,740 --> 00:16:50,740 That's awful. 445 00:16:50,740 --> 00:16:52,900 Mary would soon become pregnant. 446 00:16:52,900 --> 00:16:53,900 Ah. 447 00:16:53,900 --> 00:16:57,900 Shortly after this, after getting pregnant, Mary would get the news that her mother, 448 00:16:57,900 --> 00:17:02,180 Margaret, had become extremely ill with hepatitis, so Mary would make the drive to meet her and 449 00:17:02,180 --> 00:17:04,380 see him harbour. 450 00:17:04,380 --> 00:17:08,700 Once Mary arrived, she noticed that her mother was beginning to recover, until she started 451 00:17:08,700 --> 00:17:10,700 complaining about stomach pains. 452 00:17:10,700 --> 00:17:11,700 Hmm. 453 00:17:11,700 --> 00:17:13,700 Those pesky stomach pains. 454 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:14,700 Oh yeah. 455 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:15,700 Surround me. 456 00:17:15,700 --> 00:17:18,060 I haven't gone yet. 457 00:17:18,060 --> 00:17:23,580 Margaret would pass away in the spring of 1867, just nine days after Mary's arrival. 458 00:17:23,580 --> 00:17:24,580 Margaret? 459 00:17:24,580 --> 00:17:25,580 Her mother? 460 00:17:25,580 --> 00:17:26,580 Yes. 461 00:17:26,580 --> 00:17:27,580 Oh my gosh. 462 00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:28,580 Which Margaret? 463 00:17:28,580 --> 00:17:34,580 The same year in 1867, Mary's stepfather would marry his widowed neighbour, Hannah Paley. 464 00:17:34,580 --> 00:17:37,100 Again, Hannah, Margaret, Hannah, yes, all these names. 465 00:17:37,100 --> 00:17:38,300 See that again, sorry. 466 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:41,260 Mary's stepfather would marry his neighbour who was widowed. 467 00:17:41,260 --> 00:17:43,860 Oh, oh, his stepfather. 468 00:17:43,860 --> 00:17:45,980 Her stepfather, Mary's stepdad. 469 00:17:45,980 --> 00:17:47,980 Mary's stepdad married. 470 00:17:47,980 --> 00:17:48,980 Yes. 471 00:17:48,980 --> 00:17:52,380 His neighbor was a widow. 472 00:17:52,380 --> 00:17:53,380 Yes. 473 00:17:53,380 --> 00:17:55,380 Mary had a little lamb. 474 00:17:55,380 --> 00:17:56,380 Yeah. 475 00:17:56,380 --> 00:18:03,500 I wish I could have one chug chug. 476 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:06,100 There's chocolate, and then there's lint chocolate. 477 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:10,060 Chocolate that has a silky, smooth, and velvety texture has been synonymous with the name 478 00:18:10,060 --> 00:18:13,500 lint since its conception in 1845. 479 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:18,180 Click the link in the show notes to receive free shipping with a $60 purchase. 480 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:28,060 Be part of the lint legacy and grab a bag of their world famous trevils today. 481 00:18:28,060 --> 00:18:31,620 So with her mother gone, Mary was forced to take care of her daughter Isabella, whom 482 00:18:31,620 --> 00:18:33,620 she brought back to live with her and James. 483 00:18:33,620 --> 00:18:34,620 Just forced to. 484 00:18:34,620 --> 00:18:35,620 Oh yeah. 485 00:18:35,620 --> 00:18:36,620 Well, I mean, she sure says that she fell. 486 00:18:36,620 --> 00:18:38,300 She's like, oh god dang it. 487 00:18:38,300 --> 00:18:42,460 Shortly after their arrival, Isabella began complaining about stomach pains, and she 488 00:18:42,460 --> 00:18:44,420 would ultimately pass away as a result. 489 00:18:44,420 --> 00:18:45,820 Did she have a baby by this point? 490 00:18:45,820 --> 00:18:47,060 No, she was still pregnant. 491 00:18:47,060 --> 00:18:48,540 Oh my gosh. 492 00:18:48,540 --> 00:18:53,180 Along with this, two more of James' children, Elizabeth and James Jr., would also die from 493 00:18:53,180 --> 00:18:55,300 the same complaints. 494 00:18:55,300 --> 00:19:00,900 It's like all of these people are passing away around you. 495 00:19:00,900 --> 00:19:03,820 But again, a lot of people were dying in this day. 496 00:19:03,820 --> 00:19:08,100 She's probably like, well, I mean, wasn't Jack the Ripper prolific during this time 497 00:19:08,100 --> 00:19:09,100 too? 498 00:19:09,100 --> 00:19:10,100 I don't know, probably. 499 00:19:10,100 --> 00:19:11,100 I want to Google that. 500 00:19:11,100 --> 00:19:12,100 1888. 501 00:19:12,100 --> 00:19:14,220 Oh, about 20 years later. 502 00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:15,660 Yeah, before this. 503 00:19:15,660 --> 00:19:20,660 This is before that, but it still speaks to the times that people just go missing and 504 00:19:20,660 --> 00:19:22,220 people don't do shit about it. 505 00:19:22,220 --> 00:19:23,220 For sure. 506 00:19:23,220 --> 00:19:28,340 And again, this is probably only two years into being required to report deaths. 507 00:19:28,340 --> 00:19:29,340 But still. 508 00:19:29,340 --> 00:19:33,020 There's all this paperwork probably just fucking everywhere. 509 00:19:33,020 --> 00:19:37,820 So again, this is Isabella, Elizabeth and James Jr., all of the children. 510 00:19:37,820 --> 00:19:42,820 All three of them would be buried during late April and early May of 1867. 511 00:19:42,820 --> 00:19:47,060 Mary would collect life insurance on Isabella after this. 512 00:19:47,060 --> 00:19:52,540 Despite all of the deaths surrounding them, Mary and James would get married at St. Michael's 513 00:19:52,540 --> 00:19:58,780 Bishop Wormouth, Bishop Wormouth, I don't know how to say it, on August 11, 1867. 514 00:19:58,780 --> 00:20:01,980 They would have their first child, Margaret Isabella. 515 00:20:01,980 --> 00:20:02,980 No, swear. 516 00:20:02,980 --> 00:20:08,100 In November, she would ultimately pass away the following February, 1868. 517 00:20:08,100 --> 00:20:09,100 I wasn't laughing about that. 518 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:12,100 I was laughing about this, because I'm hilarious. 519 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:16,700 But yeah, so Margaret Isabella, you're taking your children's names and making another child 520 00:20:16,700 --> 00:20:18,460 and using those names. 521 00:20:18,460 --> 00:20:20,980 But she would have been about three months old. 522 00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:26,100 Did she think that she's paying homage to these children she's killed, obviously? 523 00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:28,580 Maybe or maybe there's literally no other names that exist right now. 524 00:20:28,580 --> 00:20:31,540 Honestly, at this time, there might just be no other names. 525 00:20:31,540 --> 00:20:33,500 They can't just come up with something. 526 00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:38,380 In 1955, it was only the Righteous Brothers' untrained melody, but four different people 527 00:20:38,380 --> 00:20:39,380 recorded it. 528 00:20:39,380 --> 00:20:41,380 It was the only song you could hear in 1955. 529 00:20:41,380 --> 00:20:50,340 So the two being Margaret and James would have a second child, George, on June 18, 1869. 530 00:20:50,340 --> 00:20:54,380 Remember George, the guy that she married and then killed and then took his life insurance? 531 00:20:54,380 --> 00:20:56,780 Yeah, so she named her kid after him, too. 532 00:20:56,780 --> 00:20:57,780 George? 533 00:20:57,780 --> 00:20:58,780 Yeah. 534 00:20:58,780 --> 00:20:59,780 The sick man? 535 00:20:59,780 --> 00:21:00,780 George Ward? 536 00:21:00,780 --> 00:21:02,180 Oh, the guy that was already sick. 537 00:21:02,180 --> 00:21:03,180 Yes. 538 00:21:03,180 --> 00:21:04,180 Yes, I'm sorry. 539 00:21:04,180 --> 00:21:05,180 She's had so many. 540 00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:06,180 Oh yes, I've already forgotten. 541 00:21:06,180 --> 00:21:07,180 I know, it's a lot of names. 542 00:21:07,180 --> 00:21:08,180 I was like, was any William? 543 00:21:08,180 --> 00:21:09,180 Yeah. 544 00:21:09,180 --> 00:21:10,180 Yes. 545 00:21:10,180 --> 00:21:11,180 But that was another one. 546 00:21:11,180 --> 00:21:15,420 In the end, Mary was continuously bugging James about making sure that he took out a 547 00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:18,260 life insurance policy for himself, just in case. 548 00:21:18,260 --> 00:21:19,260 Just in case. 549 00:21:19,260 --> 00:21:21,180 You know, people around me drop by clients. 550 00:21:21,180 --> 00:21:22,180 Really? 551 00:21:22,180 --> 00:21:25,100 Everything I touch dies. 552 00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:29,100 James would become increasingly suspicious of Mary's insistence that he ensure his life, 553 00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:30,100 and he would refuse. 554 00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:31,100 Good. 555 00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:34,740 On top of this, James had discovered that she had run up a huge amount of debt behind 556 00:21:34,740 --> 00:21:38,900 his back, and had stolen more than 50 pounds from him that she had previously promised 557 00:21:38,900 --> 00:21:40,580 she would deposit at the bank. 558 00:21:40,580 --> 00:21:42,460 50 pounds would be how much? 559 00:21:42,460 --> 00:21:47,340 Well, if 35 pounds was 4,000, I mean, that has to be at least like 10, 15,000. 560 00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:48,340 Yeah. 561 00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:49,340 You know? 562 00:21:49,340 --> 00:21:50,820 And then that would be, well. 563 00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:52,340 Then, yeah, 10, 15,000. 564 00:21:52,340 --> 00:21:53,340 Yeah, so it would be like 100,000. 565 00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:56,140 Yeah, it would be a lot of money. 566 00:21:56,140 --> 00:22:00,100 Following this, James further found out that Mary had been forcing his older children to 567 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:05,700 pawn items in the home, or out of the home, and she was pocketing that money too. 568 00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:06,980 Yeah. 569 00:22:06,980 --> 00:22:11,220 With this information, James would kick Mary out of the home and gain custody of the son 570 00:22:11,220 --> 00:22:12,460 that they shared. 571 00:22:12,460 --> 00:22:13,940 Probably saving his life. 572 00:22:13,940 --> 00:22:14,940 Absolutely. 573 00:22:14,940 --> 00:22:19,300 After being kicked out, Mary found herself homeless and living on the streets. 574 00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:23,740 During this time, she would meet a woman by the name of Margaret Cotton, and Margaret 575 00:22:23,740 --> 00:22:26,540 would introduce Mary to her brother, Frederick Cotton. 576 00:22:26,540 --> 00:22:27,540 Okay. 577 00:22:27,540 --> 00:22:29,740 It's just a coincidence that her name's Margaret. 578 00:22:29,740 --> 00:22:31,620 Sure, sure. 579 00:22:31,620 --> 00:22:35,620 Frederick was a pitman and a recent widower living in Wallbottle, Northumberland. 580 00:22:35,620 --> 00:22:37,220 What's a pitman? 581 00:22:37,220 --> 00:22:40,220 I don't know, maybe he digs like he's in the pits. 582 00:22:40,220 --> 00:22:41,220 Oh, okay. 583 00:22:41,220 --> 00:22:43,180 I don't know, I didn't look it up. 584 00:22:43,180 --> 00:22:46,980 Frederick and Mary quickly found something in common, as he had lost two of his four 585 00:22:46,980 --> 00:22:49,660 children as well. 586 00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:53,580 After his wife died, Margaret had acted like a second mother to the remaining two children. 587 00:22:53,580 --> 00:22:55,180 This is his sister. 588 00:22:55,180 --> 00:22:58,220 The two children's names were Frederick, Junior, and Charles. 589 00:22:58,220 --> 00:23:04,180 However, in late March of 1870, after Mary had met Frederick, Margaret suddenly passed 590 00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:07,580 away due to an undetermined stomach problem. 591 00:23:07,580 --> 00:23:08,580 The sister? 592 00:23:08,580 --> 00:23:09,580 Yes. 593 00:23:09,580 --> 00:23:11,140 She just hates Margaret's, I guess so. 594 00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:13,660 Yeah, she's gotta have been dead against Margaret's. 595 00:23:13,660 --> 00:23:18,180 This left Mary as the next best option for Frederick and his children, and soon Mary and 596 00:23:18,180 --> 00:23:21,020 Frederick were living together. 597 00:23:21,020 --> 00:23:24,460 Shortly after this, Mary would become pregnant with her 12th child. 598 00:23:24,460 --> 00:23:27,300 Ugh, that's so many children. 599 00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:28,300 I know. 600 00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:34,420 But you would quickly get married on September 17th, 1870, at St. Andrew's Newcastle Upton 601 00:23:34,420 --> 00:23:38,300 Tine, and their son Robert would be born in early 1871. 602 00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:39,300 Robert again. 603 00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:41,940 Her brother's name, yeah. 604 00:23:41,940 --> 00:23:46,580 Soon after the marriage, Mary would get wind that her former boyfriend, Joseph Natress, 605 00:23:46,580 --> 00:23:51,100 was living just 30 miles away in the County Durham village of West Auckland and was no 606 00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:52,100 longer married. 607 00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:53,100 She's like hehehehehe. 608 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:54,100 Yeah. 609 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:58,300 She would seek out Joseph, and the two would quickly rekindle their relationship. 610 00:23:58,300 --> 00:23:59,300 So she's married? 611 00:23:59,300 --> 00:24:00,300 Yes. 612 00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:01,580 Has another baby. 613 00:24:01,580 --> 00:24:02,580 She's Robert. 614 00:24:02,580 --> 00:24:03,580 Yeah, she has another baby. 615 00:24:03,580 --> 00:24:05,260 I was like, she's pregnant, but yeah, he's sharing it. 616 00:24:05,260 --> 00:24:07,460 And then now she's hooking up with this boyfriend. 617 00:24:07,460 --> 00:24:08,460 That's her ex, yeah. 618 00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:09,460 Okay. 619 00:24:09,460 --> 00:24:14,460 Mary would keep up this affair and even convince her own family to move closer to where Joseph 620 00:24:14,460 --> 00:24:15,460 lived. 621 00:24:15,460 --> 00:24:16,460 What the? 622 00:24:16,460 --> 00:24:18,180 Oh, the husband and the baby? 623 00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:19,180 The husband and the kid, yeah. 624 00:24:19,180 --> 00:24:20,180 Oh my god. 625 00:24:20,180 --> 00:24:21,180 He has two children as well. 626 00:24:21,180 --> 00:24:22,180 Yeah. 627 00:24:22,180 --> 00:24:23,180 So there's three kids in them. 628 00:24:23,180 --> 00:24:24,180 They're like, they're so excited to hug because it's nicer. 629 00:24:24,180 --> 00:24:27,780 Yeah, it's kind of easier for me to walk to my ex-boyfriend's house. 630 00:24:27,780 --> 00:24:28,780 Yes. 631 00:24:28,780 --> 00:24:31,300 They would oblige and they would move. 632 00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:35,260 After moving, however, Frederick would pass away from gastric fever. 633 00:24:35,260 --> 00:24:36,260 The husband. 634 00:24:36,260 --> 00:24:37,260 Okay. 635 00:24:37,260 --> 00:24:38,260 There's so many. 636 00:24:38,260 --> 00:24:39,260 I know. 637 00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:40,260 There's a lot. 638 00:24:40,260 --> 00:24:43,820 Insurance was taken out on Frederick's life and that of his two sons, which Mary would 639 00:24:43,820 --> 00:24:46,460 collect, his insurance. 640 00:24:46,460 --> 00:24:51,300 After Frederick's death, Joseph would move into the home under the guise of being Mary's 641 00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:53,300 new tenant. 642 00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:54,540 She's like, well, we need the extra money. 643 00:24:54,540 --> 00:24:56,100 We need someone to pay some rent. 644 00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:57,100 He's just going to move it. 645 00:24:57,100 --> 00:24:58,100 He's a tenant. 646 00:24:58,100 --> 00:25:02,380 But people can't know that I'm banging you. 647 00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:06,020 So he must have known that she was married. 648 00:25:06,020 --> 00:25:10,860 Mary would begin working in the medical field again as a nurse to an excise officer recovering 649 00:25:10,860 --> 00:25:12,820 from smallpox. 650 00:25:12,820 --> 00:25:17,340 The name of this man is not known exactly, although most sources refer to him as John 651 00:25:17,340 --> 00:25:18,340 Quick Manning. 652 00:25:18,340 --> 00:25:19,340 Okay. 653 00:25:19,340 --> 00:25:22,820 So there seems to be no trace of this name in the records of the West Auckland Brewery 654 00:25:22,820 --> 00:25:24,540 or the National Archives. 655 00:25:24,540 --> 00:25:28,340 The census records, birth, death, and marriage records also never mentioned this guy. 656 00:25:28,340 --> 00:25:30,260 So it seems like she kind of made this name up. 657 00:25:30,260 --> 00:25:31,260 Huh. 658 00:25:31,260 --> 00:25:34,500 However, a man by the name of Richard Quick Manning has been found and sources think 659 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,860 that this is the true name of this man. 660 00:25:36,860 --> 00:25:39,060 This is important for later. 661 00:25:39,060 --> 00:25:43,300 Either way, Mary would become pregnant with her 13th child from this man. 662 00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:44,300 From this other guy? 663 00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:45,300 Yes. 664 00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:46,300 Not Joseph. 665 00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:47,300 Not Joseph. 666 00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:48,300 This is one of her patients. 667 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:49,300 It's another patient that's ill. 668 00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:50,300 Mary. 669 00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:51,300 Yes. 670 00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:52,300 So I'll explain it right here. 671 00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:55,700 Husband died, boyfriend moved in as a tenant. 672 00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:57,980 She's working for this guy and then she gets pregnant by this guy. 673 00:25:57,980 --> 00:25:58,980 Yes. 674 00:25:58,980 --> 00:26:02,500 So Mary was still seeing Joseph at this time as well and Frederick's children were still 675 00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:04,220 living with her since they had nowhere else to go. 676 00:26:04,220 --> 00:26:06,700 They don't have any parents. 677 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:12,500 Frederick Jr. would pass away in March of 1872, excuse me, he's a vet boy. 678 00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:17,900 And Mary and Frederick's infant son Robert would also die shortly after. 679 00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:21,860 Seeing one child left behind and a pregnant Mary. 680 00:26:21,860 --> 00:26:25,740 And she's pregnant from the other guy. 681 00:26:25,740 --> 00:26:31,740 Following this, Joseph would become ill as well and would pass away from gastric fever 682 00:26:31,740 --> 00:26:36,180 very shortly after he and Mary had revised his will. 683 00:26:36,180 --> 00:26:39,140 Okay, so this is the tenant. 684 00:26:39,140 --> 00:26:40,140 The tenant. 685 00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:41,140 Okay. 686 00:26:41,140 --> 00:26:42,140 Yeah. 687 00:26:42,140 --> 00:26:46,100 Meanwhile, Frederick's last child, seven-year-old Charles, was still alive with an active 688 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:49,460 life insurance policy in place. 689 00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:54,260 After these series of events, a parish official by the name of Thomas Riley had hired Mary 690 00:26:54,260 --> 00:26:58,180 with the premise of her helping a woman who was ill with smallpox. 691 00:26:58,180 --> 00:27:01,820 Her and Thomas would begin talking throughout her visits and she would open up to him about 692 00:27:01,820 --> 00:27:05,900 the fact that Frederick's last surviving child, Charles, was getting to be a little 693 00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:08,420 too much to handle. 694 00:27:08,420 --> 00:27:10,420 Imagine if you had 12 fucking children. 695 00:27:10,420 --> 00:27:12,780 Cause you gave birth to 12 children. 696 00:27:12,780 --> 00:27:13,780 Right. 697 00:27:13,780 --> 00:27:18,260 And you also have all of these other children that are these men's children that you're 698 00:27:18,260 --> 00:27:19,260 also killing. 699 00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:21,460 Yeah, exactly. 700 00:27:21,460 --> 00:27:25,140 She would ask Thomas if Charles could be sent to the workhouse, which is a place where 701 00:27:25,140 --> 00:27:29,100 people would usually go to receive assistance, mostly financial, I guess they take children 702 00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:30,100 as well. 703 00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:31,100 Mm-hmm. 704 00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:35,160 Thomas, who was also West Auckland's assistant coroner, told Mary that if she wanted to send 705 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,260 Charles to the workhouse, she would need to accompany him as his guardian. 706 00:27:38,260 --> 00:27:39,260 Okay. 707 00:27:39,260 --> 00:27:41,340 She can't just send him off on his way. 708 00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:45,700 Mary would respond to this by telling Thomas, quote, I won't be troubled long. 709 00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:47,860 He'll go like all the rest of the cottons. 710 00:27:47,860 --> 00:27:48,860 And quote. 711 00:27:48,860 --> 00:27:49,860 What? 712 00:27:49,860 --> 00:27:52,360 So she just like straight up is like, yeah, just like, by the way, I'm just gonna kill 713 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:53,360 him. 714 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:54,860 By the way, I'm gonna kill him like I killed everybody else. 715 00:27:54,860 --> 00:27:55,860 Yeah. 716 00:27:55,860 --> 00:28:00,180 Five days later, Mary would inform Thomas that Charles had passed away. 717 00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:02,620 Five days after this conversation. 718 00:28:02,620 --> 00:28:06,060 Thomas would become extremely concerned after hearing this and he would contact the village 719 00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:11,180 police and even urge the doctor to delay the writing of a death certificate until a full 720 00:28:11,180 --> 00:28:12,940 evaluation had been done on the death. 721 00:28:12,940 --> 00:28:13,940 Sweet. 722 00:28:13,940 --> 00:28:15,900 Is this like the origin of the autopsy? 723 00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:16,900 No, maybe. 724 00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:18,460 No, it's not. 725 00:28:18,460 --> 00:28:22,900 Mary on the other hand did not first go to a doctor after the death of Charles, but 726 00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:25,900 instead her first stop was to the insurance office. 727 00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:27,780 I thought you were gonna say the fertility clinic. 728 00:28:27,780 --> 00:28:28,780 Oh my gosh. 729 00:28:28,780 --> 00:28:30,860 No, she said to have more children. 730 00:28:30,860 --> 00:28:34,980 Well this honestly kind of explains maybe why she was having a lot of children because 731 00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:37,180 she knew that she could collect life insurance on them. 732 00:28:37,180 --> 00:28:38,180 That's terrible. 733 00:28:38,180 --> 00:28:39,180 That is terrible. 734 00:28:39,180 --> 00:28:43,660 Well, there the insurance agent informed her that she would not be collecting any money 735 00:28:43,660 --> 00:28:45,660 until there was an official death certificate. 736 00:28:45,660 --> 00:28:47,500 Yeah, there had to be, especially at this point, right? 737 00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:50,860 But she wasn't really used to because we haven't needed death certificates until this 738 00:28:50,860 --> 00:28:51,860 point. 739 00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:52,860 True. 740 00:28:52,860 --> 00:28:53,860 And I've asked, sorry. 741 00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:57,500 Sorry, do you think that she sought out men that already had children specifically 742 00:28:57,500 --> 00:28:58,500 to marry them? 743 00:28:58,500 --> 00:28:59,500 That's actually a good point. 744 00:28:59,500 --> 00:29:01,060 I didn't think about that, but maybe. 745 00:29:01,060 --> 00:29:02,060 Like cute. 746 00:29:02,060 --> 00:29:03,860 And like widowed men that were like willing to- 747 00:29:03,860 --> 00:29:04,860 Sad and desperate? 748 00:29:04,860 --> 00:29:05,860 Yeah. 749 00:29:05,860 --> 00:29:07,860 I mean not sad and desperate, but you know what I mean? 750 00:29:07,860 --> 00:29:09,860 That's terrible. 751 00:29:09,860 --> 00:29:14,180 But yeah, men that she knew that you know were going through this grieving process, it was 752 00:29:14,180 --> 00:29:15,940 easy for her to swoop in. 753 00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:19,380 She's already had children of her own, so that's probably got to have their guard down 754 00:29:19,380 --> 00:29:21,540 or feel like maybe she's a good mom. 755 00:29:21,540 --> 00:29:24,820 She could even just say like, oh I have multiple children, they live with my parents. 756 00:29:24,820 --> 00:29:25,820 Exactly. 757 00:29:25,820 --> 00:29:26,820 They'll die, you know? 758 00:29:26,820 --> 00:29:32,180 Yeah, but that, yeah, she probably thought, oh, you know, instead of just marrying one 759 00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:36,220 man and then having children, I'll just marry men that already have children. 760 00:29:36,220 --> 00:29:37,220 That's true. 761 00:29:37,220 --> 00:29:38,860 I would just collect three times as much. 762 00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:39,860 That's awful. 763 00:29:39,860 --> 00:29:40,860 That's gross. 764 00:29:40,860 --> 00:29:45,660 An investigation was launched into the death of Charles with a verdict coming back as natural 765 00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:46,660 causes. 766 00:29:46,660 --> 00:29:47,660 Hmm. 767 00:29:47,660 --> 00:29:51,060 When questioned originally, Mary stated that Charles had fallen ill and that she had 768 00:29:51,060 --> 00:29:55,340 used an error route to treat his symptoms, but it was no use. 769 00:29:55,340 --> 00:29:59,780 As far as Thomas going to authorities, Mary stated that he was upset because she had rejected 770 00:29:59,780 --> 00:30:00,780 his advances. 771 00:30:00,780 --> 00:30:04,500 She said, oh, he's trying to get me in trouble because he wanted to sleep with me and I said 772 00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:05,500 no. 773 00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:06,500 Yeah. 774 00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:07,860 I totally know what happened. 775 00:30:07,860 --> 00:30:12,500 Though Mary thought she fooled everyone yet again with Charles's death case closed, the 776 00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:15,660 local newspaper was not going to let the case go. 777 00:30:15,660 --> 00:30:17,740 And I say it like that because earlier you were like, did they even have news? 778 00:30:17,740 --> 00:30:19,860 Did they even have the news? 779 00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:23,900 They would begin by investigating Mary's life and would quickly find out that she had 780 00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:29,500 moved all around Northern England and had lost three husbands, a boyfriend, her own 781 00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:36,180 mother, and 11 children, all of which died from the same illness, stomach fevers. 782 00:30:36,180 --> 00:30:37,820 That's a lot of people. 783 00:30:37,820 --> 00:30:38,820 It's a lot of people. 784 00:30:38,820 --> 00:30:39,820 It's not a fucking coincidence. 785 00:30:39,820 --> 00:30:40,820 That's not a coincidence. 786 00:30:40,820 --> 00:30:44,500 Like come on, the newspaper's probably like, what the fuck? 787 00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:47,500 This is the, yeah, this is also the origin story of investigative journalism. 788 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:51,060 No, seriously, this is the biggest story we've gotten in years. 789 00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:56,140 What Mary did not know was that while Dr. William Byers Kilburn signed off on the death 790 00:30:56,140 --> 00:31:01,100 certificate for Charles, he first collected samples of tissue as well just in case. 791 00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:02,100 Oh, okay. 792 00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:03,100 Smart man. 793 00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:07,100 With the suspicious rumors surfacing about Mary's death trail, Dr. Kilburn decided to 794 00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:11,780 test the samples he took and what turned up was traces of arsenic. 795 00:31:11,780 --> 00:31:12,780 Yeah. 796 00:31:12,780 --> 00:31:17,780 Dr. Kilburn immediately went to police who would immediately arrest Mary simultaneously 797 00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:20,980 proposing an exhumation of Charles' body. 798 00:31:20,980 --> 00:31:21,980 Exhumation? 799 00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:25,980 I guess to make sure that the arsenic didn't come from somewhere else in the lab or something. 800 00:31:25,980 --> 00:31:30,420 I just feel like exhumations also weren't really a big thing then. 801 00:31:30,420 --> 00:31:31,420 That's true. 802 00:31:31,420 --> 00:31:32,420 That's not something you did. 803 00:31:32,420 --> 00:31:35,660 That's probably one of the first cases of it. 804 00:31:35,660 --> 00:31:39,420 Mary would be charged with the murder of Charles Cotton, although the trial would be delayed 805 00:31:39,420 --> 00:31:46,100 until after January 7th of 1873 due to her being in labor with her 13th and final child. 806 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:47,580 Take that baby away from her. 807 00:31:47,580 --> 00:31:48,860 Snatch that baby up. 808 00:31:48,860 --> 00:31:50,740 Guess what this final daughter's name is? 809 00:31:50,740 --> 00:31:51,740 Margaret. 810 00:31:51,740 --> 00:31:53,660 Margaret Edith Quick Manning Cotton. 811 00:31:53,660 --> 00:31:55,660 Quick Manning Cotton, sorry. 812 00:31:55,660 --> 00:31:56,660 Margaret again. 813 00:31:56,660 --> 00:31:57,660 Are you serious? 814 00:31:57,660 --> 00:31:58,660 Yeah. 815 00:31:58,660 --> 00:32:00,660 Okay, this is gonna sound like a really sick question. 816 00:32:00,660 --> 00:32:02,660 I'm not trying to be gross when I say this, I'm being serious. 817 00:32:02,660 --> 00:32:05,980 Do you think that she named her children Margaret so it was easier to get rid of them because 818 00:32:05,980 --> 00:32:07,620 other Margaret's are already gone? 819 00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:08,620 Yes. 820 00:32:08,620 --> 00:32:09,620 Yeah. 821 00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:10,620 I do think that. 822 00:32:10,620 --> 00:32:13,820 I think that maybe something, maybe she disliked her mother or something enough. 823 00:32:13,820 --> 00:32:14,820 You know? 824 00:32:14,820 --> 00:32:15,820 True. 825 00:32:15,820 --> 00:32:19,660 I mean, or the sister or maybe, you know, or maybe she just got so much attention the 826 00:32:19,660 --> 00:32:23,380 first time she named a daughter Margaret because it was after her sister and her mother that 827 00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:26,620 she continued to do it because it would have garnered her some attention. 828 00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:27,620 True. 829 00:32:27,620 --> 00:32:28,620 Yeah. 830 00:32:28,620 --> 00:32:29,620 Exactly. 831 00:32:29,620 --> 00:32:35,620 So, Margaret was 1873 with a delay being caused by a problem with the selection of the prosecution. 832 00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:40,340 One prosecutor, Mr. Aspenwall, was originally selected to be the prosecutor for the case, 833 00:32:40,340 --> 00:32:45,020 but the attorney general, Sir John Duke Colleridge, had the ultimate decision and he would go 834 00:32:45,020 --> 00:32:48,260 with his friend and protege Charles Russell to be the prosecutor. 835 00:32:48,260 --> 00:32:49,260 Okay. 836 00:32:49,260 --> 00:32:51,140 He's like, I want to make sure that this is like happening. 837 00:32:51,140 --> 00:32:52,140 Right. 838 00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:56,820 The defense attorney in the case was one Thomas Campbell Foster who argued during the trial 839 00:32:56,820 --> 00:33:01,060 that Charles had actually died from inhaling arsenic that was in the dye of the green wallpaper 840 00:33:01,060 --> 00:33:02,260 of the cotton home. 841 00:33:02,260 --> 00:33:03,260 Oh. 842 00:33:03,260 --> 00:33:04,500 Well, why didn't anybody else get sick? 843 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:05,500 That's what I'm saying. 844 00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:06,580 It was a dumb argument. 845 00:33:06,580 --> 00:33:07,580 Yeah. 846 00:33:07,580 --> 00:33:10,380 There was other testimony from a chemist and a doctor that went back and forth on how the 847 00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:15,420 child could have ingested arsenic, but ultimately after only just 90 minutes of deliberation, 848 00:33:15,420 --> 00:33:17,220 the jury came back with a guilty verdict. 849 00:33:17,220 --> 00:33:18,220 90 minutes? 850 00:33:18,220 --> 00:33:19,220 Yeah. 851 00:33:19,220 --> 00:33:20,220 It's like hours now. 852 00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:21,220 Yeah. 853 00:33:21,220 --> 00:33:26,260 A correspondent from The Times would report on March 20th, quote, after conviction, the 854 00:33:26,260 --> 00:33:30,780 wretched woman exhibited strong emotion, but this game plays in a few hours to her habitual 855 00:33:30,780 --> 00:33:32,900 calls, reserved demeanor. 856 00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:36,380 And while she harbors a strong conviction that the royal clemency will be extended towards 857 00:33:36,380 --> 00:33:39,980 her, she staunchly asserts her innocence of the crime that she has been convicted of. 858 00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:40,980 End of quote. 859 00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:43,300 It's a lot of words in there that I've never fucking used before. 860 00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:46,340 I certainly wanted to hear you say that in an English accent. 861 00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:47,340 Shit. 862 00:33:47,340 --> 00:33:48,900 Well, the English listeners probably don't. 863 00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:49,900 I'm like, fuck you. 864 00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:53,660 After conviction, the wretched woman exhibited strong emotion. 865 00:33:53,660 --> 00:33:54,660 Okay, that's all I'm saying. 866 00:33:54,660 --> 00:33:55,660 Thank you. 867 00:33:55,660 --> 00:33:56,660 You're welcome. 868 00:33:56,660 --> 00:33:57,660 You're welcome, you're welcome. 869 00:33:57,660 --> 00:33:58,660 You're welcome. 870 00:33:58,660 --> 00:33:59,660 You're welcome. 871 00:33:59,660 --> 00:34:00,660 You're welcome. 872 00:34:00,660 --> 00:34:01,660 Thank you. 873 00:34:01,660 --> 00:34:02,660 I'm going to go to your all night. 874 00:34:02,660 --> 00:34:03,660 Thank you. 875 00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:05,420 Mary Ann Cotton would be hanged at Durham County Gowl on March 24th, 1873, just 19 days after 876 00:34:05,420 --> 00:34:06,420 her child. 877 00:34:06,420 --> 00:34:07,420 What? 878 00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:08,420 Just kill her. 879 00:34:08,420 --> 00:34:11,900 They don't have anything else going on in the justice system in England at the time? 880 00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:12,900 No, they're like, go. 881 00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:13,900 Go ahead. 882 00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:14,900 Go ahead. 883 00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:15,900 Why are we waiting? 884 00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:16,900 Why are we waiting? 885 00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:19,980 Mary would not die from her neck breaking, however, but from strangulation, which is something 886 00:34:19,980 --> 00:34:21,300 that is thought to have been deliberate. 887 00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:24,340 That's why I put that in there, because they think it was like on purpose. 888 00:34:24,340 --> 00:34:28,900 They think that they rigged it in a way that, uh, that's awful. 889 00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:32,780 Of Mary's children, only two would survive out of 13. 890 00:34:32,780 --> 00:34:37,100 That's Margaret Edith, who lived from 1873 to 1954. 891 00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:39,020 That was like yesterday. 892 00:34:39,020 --> 00:34:40,860 That was like yesterday. 893 00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:44,860 And her son, George, from her marriage to James Robinson, I didn't get his birth and 894 00:34:44,860 --> 00:34:45,860 death dates. 895 00:34:45,860 --> 00:34:46,860 Right. 896 00:34:46,860 --> 00:34:49,260 But that's the one that the husband took, right? 897 00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:50,260 Yeah. 898 00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:51,260 Oh, gosh. 899 00:34:51,260 --> 00:34:52,260 And the husband saved himself, too. 900 00:34:52,260 --> 00:34:54,260 Again, he saved him and his son's life. 901 00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:58,540 Though Mary never confessed to any of the murders, it is thought that she killed upwards 902 00:34:58,540 --> 00:35:01,660 of 21 people throughout her lifetime. 903 00:35:01,660 --> 00:35:05,660 While some people believe that Mary was Britain's first female serial killer, there were other 904 00:35:05,660 --> 00:35:09,900 women that have known to have been hanged for the murder of multiple people. 905 00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:14,460 Mary and Cotton was widely recognized as the country's deadliest killer until Harold 906 00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:18,060 Shipman came around and he outkilled her. 907 00:35:18,060 --> 00:35:19,060 Wow. 908 00:35:19,060 --> 00:35:20,060 Yeah. 909 00:35:20,060 --> 00:35:22,860 And lastly, while Mary was never diagnosed with any mental disorders, it is clear that 910 00:35:22,860 --> 00:35:26,620 she had something, however, mental disorders were not something that were even known about 911 00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:29,540 at this time, let alone talked about and discussed. 912 00:35:29,540 --> 00:35:35,060 So there's really, I mean, I don't even know, based on the lack of information in general, 913 00:35:35,060 --> 00:35:36,540 I couldn't even speculate. 914 00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:39,140 It might be a Munchausen by proxy issue. 915 00:35:39,140 --> 00:35:40,140 Maybe, yeah. 916 00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:42,820 I mean, it could just be a greed personality disorder. 917 00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:48,460 I think it might be narcissistic or antisocial, honestly, because that would be like, I don't 918 00:35:48,460 --> 00:35:51,300 care about anything, all I want is this one thing, which is money. 919 00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:52,300 Right. 920 00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:53,300 I think I've stated on that. 921 00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:54,300 Yeah. 922 00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:55,300 But yeah, that's the story. 923 00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:58,300 It's a little bit of a shorty today, but again, that's the case from the 1800s. 924 00:35:58,300 --> 00:35:59,780 It's about all I could fucking find. 925 00:35:59,780 --> 00:36:01,300 Still a lot of detail though. 926 00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:02,300 Yeah. 927 00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:04,860 I mean, they clearly have a trail of hers. 928 00:36:04,860 --> 00:36:06,340 So that's incredible. 929 00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:07,340 I know. 930 00:36:07,340 --> 00:36:09,820 And I don't think we've ever done a case from the 1800s. 931 00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:11,820 We have, but it's very rare that we do. 932 00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:12,820 Yeah. 933 00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:13,820 I know, because well, you did AGH, right? 934 00:36:13,820 --> 00:36:14,820 That was made to the 1900s. 935 00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:15,820 I did AGH, yeah. 936 00:36:15,820 --> 00:36:16,820 Yeah. 937 00:36:16,820 --> 00:36:18,820 That was all the way up until the 1900s or the 1900s. 938 00:36:18,820 --> 00:36:19,820 Yeah. 939 00:36:19,820 --> 00:36:21,820 But isn't that wild that her last born daughter, the 13th, is still alive? 940 00:36:21,820 --> 00:36:22,820 Yeah. 941 00:36:22,820 --> 00:36:24,940 The 13th, she passed away in 1954. 942 00:36:24,940 --> 00:36:27,540 That's like, our parents were alive during that time. 943 00:36:27,540 --> 00:36:28,540 Yeah. 944 00:36:28,540 --> 00:36:29,540 Like this. 945 00:36:29,540 --> 00:36:30,540 Well, one of them. 946 00:36:30,540 --> 00:36:31,540 Okay. 947 00:36:31,540 --> 00:36:32,540 Dad was alive. 948 00:36:32,540 --> 00:36:33,540 Dad was alive. 949 00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:34,540 But still. 950 00:36:34,540 --> 00:36:35,540 Yeah. 951 00:36:35,540 --> 00:36:36,540 That's incredible. 952 00:36:36,540 --> 00:36:37,540 Thanks for the suggestion, Connie. 953 00:36:37,540 --> 00:36:38,540 We really appreciate it. 954 00:36:38,540 --> 00:36:39,540 I'm glad that. 955 00:36:39,540 --> 00:36:40,540 I hope you enjoyed this episode and let us know what you thought. 956 00:36:40,540 --> 00:36:42,100 We'll make sure to tag you in the post. 957 00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:43,100 Yeah. 958 00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:44,100 But yeah. 959 00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:46,220 Do you have anything else you should tell everyone about the Patreon episode? 960 00:36:46,220 --> 00:36:47,220 That's 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00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:54,340 And it is a doozy. 990 00:37:54,340 --> 00:38:00,180 And that is why we've decided to make that a Patreon or I've decided to make that a Patreon. 991 00:38:00,180 --> 00:38:03,980 Content heavy, pretty graphic. 992 00:38:03,980 --> 00:38:06,300 The topic overall is really sensitive. 993 00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:08,460 For sure. 994 00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:15,220 And I would like everybody to know that me personally, I wouldn't say directly affected, 995 00:38:15,220 --> 00:38:18,180 but I do know people that were directly affected. 996 00:38:18,180 --> 00:38:25,100 And I would like to tackle it with as much understanding, compassion, grace. 997 00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:31,100 And at the same time, really bring awareness to something that again shifted out, especially 998 00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:39,540 our nation into kind of this, it propelled us in a way that was just a very, very interesting 999 00:38:39,540 --> 00:38:49,300 time during that time in the 90s and the early 2000s and school and school shootings. 1000 00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:54,300 And it's just kind of the one that just stuck with me. 1001 00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:58,660 It stuck with a lot of people my age and a little younger than me and definitely older 1002 00:38:58,660 --> 00:38:59,660 than me. 1003 00:38:59,660 --> 00:39:02,620 And it just became this thing. 1004 00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:05,460 And again, I just want to be really respectful. 1005 00:39:05,460 --> 00:39:08,780 However, I'm going to bring the raw content because it's the reality. 1006 00:39:08,780 --> 00:39:09,780 Absolutely. 1007 00:39:09,780 --> 00:39:14,740 And I was just thinking while you were talking, it's a hard topic, but it still happens every 1008 00:39:14,740 --> 00:39:15,740 day. 1009 00:39:15,740 --> 00:39:17,460 And so it needs to be talked about. 1010 00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:19,260 And we will be the ones to talk about it. 1011 00:39:19,260 --> 00:39:20,420 Well, you will be the one. 1012 00:39:20,420 --> 00:39:21,420 I will be the one. 1013 00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:22,420 I'll be the comment. 1014 00:39:22,420 --> 00:39:27,300 And I'm so glad that we decided to do these once a month because, like I said at the beginning 1015 00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:34,940 of the episode, we satiate ourselves into these worlds with who these people are and 1016 00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:41,700 what they did and their crimes and their mental disorders, whether they're present or not 1017 00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:45,580 and or at least a speculation of sometimes. 1018 00:39:45,580 --> 00:39:49,940 And it gets so heavy that it's really hard to pull yourself out of it. 1019 00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:52,500 It's almost like you're going through it all over again, especially if it's something 1020 00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:56,140 that you feel particularly attached to. 1021 00:39:56,140 --> 00:39:59,860 And so I'm grateful that these really tough cases that we bring on Patreon, we're only 1022 00:39:59,860 --> 00:40:04,900 doing once a month because we go through it, rewrite it, we live it, we breathe it, we 1023 00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:07,700 dream about it sometimes. 1024 00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:12,420 And then we deliver it and then it's kind of like, ugh, it's like a wash, you know. 1025 00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:17,300 It's like standing in the rain like Andy Dufresne and just washing over you and just 1026 00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:25,260 Andy Dufresne and just letting it go and it be out there and, you know, not necessarily 1027 00:40:25,260 --> 00:40:29,820 have to think about it ever again, but it's nice to kind of cleanse yourself of it and 1028 00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:32,220 then start tackling the next one. 1029 00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:35,300 For sure, and this is also a requested case by our listener from India, Ashana. 1030 00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:39,580 So Ashana, if you're listening, that's Patreon exclusive, go ahead and if you would like 1031 00:40:39,580 --> 00:40:41,580 to hear that episode, help tier two and three. 1032 00:40:41,580 --> 00:40:43,460 Actually, we didn't even say this to all the listeners. 1033 00:40:43,460 --> 00:40:47,940 Two and three is going to get you that exclusive bonus episode and thanks for the suggestion. 1034 00:40:47,940 --> 00:40:48,940 For sure. 1035 00:40:48,940 --> 00:40:49,940 Yeah. 1036 00:40:49,940 --> 00:40:50,940 Yeah. 1037 00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:51,940 I think we're done for the night. 1038 00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:52,940 Do you have anything else? 1039 00:40:52,940 --> 00:40:53,940 No, I think that's it. 1040 00:40:53,940 --> 00:40:54,940 Okay. 1041 00:40:54,940 --> 00:40:56,140 Well, thanks for listening, you guys. 1042 00:40:56,140 --> 00:40:58,140 We love you very much and we'll see you later. 1043 00:40:58,140 --> 00:40:59,140 Love you. 1044 00:40:59,140 --> 00:41:04,340 Bye. 1045 00:41:04,340 --> 00:41:08,740 Looking to expand your wine knowledge or just indulge in your favorites, Gold Medal Wine 1046 00:41:08,740 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