1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,720 Hello! Hello! Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosting a Killer. I'm Kena. I'm Koelle. 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:13,120 And this is a kind of different minty breaky. Yeah, diffy minty breaky. Diff meant break. 3 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:41,840 There we go. Yeah. We know that you guys have been waiting for our true crime podcast festival 4 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:47,120 experience. We are bringing that to you today. And we're really excited. Really, really exciting. 5 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:53,840 It was from the 25th of August to the 27th of August, 2023. And I'm sure if you listened to any of 6 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,480 our podcasts from the last, I don't know, six, seven months, almost every single episode we 7 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,600 mentioned it, we were really, really excited to rub elbows a little bit and get to know our fellow 8 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:09,360 casters and not only that, but our listeners, our attendees as well. Yeah, that was really exciting. 9 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,800 And we just are so grateful that we were able to be a part of it. So thanks for everyone in advance 10 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,800 for listening to us and coming to support us. And this is going to be treated kind of like a 11 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:24,720 DAK live. No edits, just kind of a convo, casual convo. Yeah, we've definitely had quite a few 12 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,880 people asking about our experience. So we both thought that it would be great just to put an 13 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,880 episode out there. Just throw it out there. Plus, it's also kind of a getting to know us, 14 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:40,160 Sam's editing, amounts of editing. Yeah, for sure. We realized we had a lot of networking to be done. 15 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:45,120 And, you know, we kind of use this as a learning opportunity, but also a networking opportunity 16 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,760 for ourselves. And I feel like we got the question a lot like, so what's your podcast about? You know, 17 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,960 and so I was like, Oh, okay, people, we don't really, we didn't really have like a trade. We 18 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:58,640 actually just got done with our trailer. So go listen to our trailer. But we didn't do that 19 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,920 whole trailer thing. We're very new to podcasting or we were, you know, a couple of years ago, 20 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:07,200 we kind of just went in minimal research and we kind of just dove in like headfirst. Yeah. And 21 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:12,160 didn't really compare with anyone else. We wanted to stand out and be different. But with that comes 22 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,000 things that we didn't do like create a trailer right off the bat. So we did have, we have since 23 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,680 done that and that is now available. It's just a minute long of us talking. But yeah, I'm, yeah, 24 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:27,440 if anybody's heard me before knows me personally, they know that I'm not a podcast person. I don't 25 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:33,440 listen to podcasts. It's kind of funny that I co-host one. Yeah. So it's definitely interesting 26 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:41,840 listening to other people's, I guess, like their outline of what they do. And it's just been, 27 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,160 it's been a really interesting experience getting to know other people and then getting to know 28 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:51,600 like their personality first. Yes. And then listen to their podcast. Yeah. I think that's 29 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,000 something that's hard for maybe a lot of listeners, myself included, you know, where it takes me like 30 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,480 four or five episodes to really start to really like the podcast because then you feel like you 31 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,640 get to know the people. Right. But not a lot of people are willing to sit through four or five 32 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:07,680 episodes to kind of really get to know who they are. So it was really cool being on the back end 33 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,920 of it and meeting the people first. And now I have like, we keep saying we have like a bunch of 34 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:17,600 fucking years of binge-worthy content. For sure. Yeah. I think it was definitely a different experience 35 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:22,880 because I feel like it's all been word of mouth so far. People that listen to us generally have 36 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,600 heard through someone else or something like that, right? Which, I mean, since we've looked at the 37 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:33,200 statistics, of course we have listeners all over the world. But I think it was more, we were the 38 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:41,840 man behind the curtain. Yeah. Now we're exposed. And we're taking in all of this advice and 39 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,600 compliments. Honestly, people were saying, wow, that's so unique. I haven't heard of that. And I'm 40 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:52,320 like, really? Because I feel like maybe somewhere along, and of course with our podcast, you 41 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:59,520 tackle psychology, portions of psychology. But to have it truly based on mental health and mental 42 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:05,440 awareness, I think is something that really people were really excited about. And not only that, 43 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:10,560 but how many people's eyes lit up when they said we did two episodes a week, which we've kind of 44 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:17,040 slacked on this last week, but with the con. We've been busy. Excuse me. But people, yeah, 45 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,920 you're so right. Like we would be talking to other podcasters and we would say, yeah, well, 46 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:24,480 we do two episodes a week and everyone's like, what? That's crazy. We're like, I thought that was 47 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,640 normal. I thought everyone did that. I thought everyone did that. Content. Exactly. What else 48 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:33,600 do you do? People are like, what else do you do? Do you guys have jobs? Like, you know, mom and 49 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,080 yeah, exactly. And I go to school and there's definitely other aspects of my life besides 50 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:44,800 just the podcast. But I think that Ken and I are very similar in the way that we just have to have 51 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,440 something to do all the time. I completely agree. Yeah, we definitely are not home. Well, 52 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:54,320 we will be homebodies, but we're busy homebodies. Yeah, I guess. Like, you know, there's not a dull 53 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:59,440 moment. I don't like to relax. I feel like if I'm relaxing, I'm being unproductive. Yeah, same. So 54 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:06,640 it's kind of hard. One of these days, I'll die. I'll die. I'll die. From stress. No, but I do think 55 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,760 I speak for both of us when I say that we went into the podcast festival weekend with a lot of 56 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:16,000 imposter syndrome and we came out of it completely rid of those fears because everyone made us feel 57 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,760 so welcome, so comforted and so not alone in those feelings. Like, I can't tell you how many podcasts 58 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,840 told us like, oh my God, if you didn't think we if you thought we didn't have imposter syndrome, 59 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:29,360 you know, a year or two or three years ago, then you're completely wrong. You know, and anyone 60 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,760 says that they never had it is lying, you know, it's not an easy thing to do to put yourself out 61 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,640 there, put not even yourself out there, but your voice, your vulnerability and your opinions on 62 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,920 things. I mean, yes, we're relying facts, but we also have strong opinions on certain things. 63 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:49,840 And one of those things is that mental illness is a problem and sometimes it causes crimes. Like, 64 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:53,600 and a lot of people, some people don't agree with that. They're like, no, I don't think that's true. 65 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,640 Or they think that we're putting them in a blanket statement, which is obviously not true 66 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:01,680 if you guys listen, you know, or an excuse. But we do want to just thank you to all of our amazing 67 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,760 supporters. Obviously, everyone that's here and listening knows that we're doing this for the 68 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:10,160 right reasons. And we just really want to educate and get the word out. But we also want to talk 69 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,880 about some people that we met and again, our full experience, not just a generalization of it. So 70 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:21,280 we've kind of broken it down by day. We absolutely want to go ahead and take a moment to appreciate 71 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:28,800 our listeners just by your downloads alone. You help us a lot and your lended ear and conversations 72 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:34,400 that you might have on the ground with your friends and family members. We also want to thank 73 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:40,880 our Patreon members as well. You guys, SuperDuper, don't have to do that, but you do. And we love 74 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:46,320 you for it. And we specifically also want to shout out Louis and his family for all of their support 75 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:52,480 and going through that weekend. And yeah, so thank you all very, very much. We really appreciate it. 76 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,080 Absolutely. We definitely couldn't be here without any of you guys and all of your support. So we 77 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:01,520 appreciate it. So you want to talk about Thursday? Shall we get into Thursday? 78 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:07,520 Oh no. So we were fortunate enough to be able to go to Austin on Thursday and then come home on 79 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:12,160 Monday even though the festival was only Friday, Saturday, Sunday. So I decided to take work off 80 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:17,680 on Friday so we could leave right after work on Thursday. It was like, let's get everything going. 81 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:23,840 Have dad drop you off at work for my work so that we can just go because I live, we live about 25 82 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,400 minutes south of where we were going. It wouldn't make sense for me to drive back, pick you up and 83 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:33,760 then go. Obviously we're going to carpool. So this is your story. Mom was going to pick up my 84 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:39,920 Keto from the bus, which was like late afternoon. That was all taken care of or was going to be 85 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:47,760 taken care of. So my responsibility was to what, did I go grocery shopping? I can't remember. 86 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:52,480 You did? Yeah. I went grocery shopping and I put everything in the cooler and I had the cooler packed 87 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:57,040 and ready to go with all of these like quick microwavable meals because our intention wasn't 88 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:02,800 to really leave the hotel room but for maybe once or twice that weekend. So filled up the cooler, 89 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,680 getting all that done. I still, well I didn't still have to pack, but I packed my bag that morning 90 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:12,000 because I'm definitely one of those people that's like, I have to pack last second. Otherwise I will 91 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:17,520 obsess and overpack. Yeah, same. And then I have to, like I have no other choice. I'll pack and if 92 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,680 I'm missing something, I'll just buy it when I get there. Yeah. I have to be that way. Otherwise 93 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:27,120 I'll come toting like five suitcases. That's absolutely me and that's what I did. I knew you 94 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:33,680 started packing like a week or two before that. Yeah, probably. So we had that. We had all of our 95 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:38,880 booth gear, all this other stuff. We're going to pack it up into the Rogue, right? We had all these 96 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:44,080 little bottles of water and I had bought iced coffee for us so that we didn't have to go spend 97 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:54,720 any money at Starbucks, all this stuff. And so I'm noticing that like my bank isn't exactly where it 98 00:08:54,720 --> 00:09:00,240 needs to be. And I was like, why, okay, I'll just transfer money. Well, I was trying to transfer 99 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:05,040 and nothing was transferring. And I was like, well, I did just change my pin number and I was like, 100 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:12,160 maybe it's that. So I, that was already wonky. And then my phone wasn't working, right? Remember, 101 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,760 like that was like something we're experiencing to the last few days is like nobody's phones were 102 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,560 working and we all have the same service that we all don't have the same plan. Yeah. So I make the 103 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:24,880 bright decision and I'm like, why can't leave for Austin if my phone's not working, right? I make the 104 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:30,880 bright decision to call my, well, I couldn't call because my phone wasn't working. Yeah. But to start 105 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:38,240 a chat with my service provider. And I said at 317 when we're supposed to be like on our way to 106 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:47,040 go by like 330. And so like three, like I said, 1517 somewhere in there, I'm like, hey, this is 107 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:52,400 the dealio I can't call to and from I've had people try to call me can't get a hold of me, text messages 108 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,480 aren't going out, like all this stuff. And not only that, but it's happening to other people in the 109 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,760 home, same service provider, but not the same contract. So it wouldn't be like a plan thing. Yeah. 110 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:06,480 I had just paid my bill like two days before this, not, you know, it's none of those things. And 111 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,720 obviously the internet's working because you're chatting with them. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. They're 112 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:16,240 making it. Clearly. Right. So yeah, this guy starts like tier one IT and he's like, is it on, you 113 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:22,960 know, kind of plug it in and restart your computer, restart your Wi-Fi restart. I'm like, it's not my 114 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,920 Wi-Fi. We are having so many problems with their internet. We were contacted that provider and they 115 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:33,040 just redid all of the equipment. The Wi-Fi is perfect. We checked. It's perfect. I guaranteed. 116 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:37,440 So then I was just like getting peeved and I was telling this guy was like, I gotta be, 117 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,960 like I'm going out of town right now. Like I wasn't trying to be a caring about it, but it was like, 118 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,480 do I need, is this something that I can fix? Is it, you know, or not? And I was, my phone works, 119 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:52,080 like, this is the model to my phone. It's clearly not all, because I had ran to the grocery store 120 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:57,040 just two days before that or whatever and my phone worked fine. Yeah. So I'm thinking like, 121 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:03,600 it's got to be something in this area or it's something with their service. Yeah. And meanwhile, 122 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,640 I'm at work like watching the time go by, checking your location. She's texting me. 123 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,240 She's not fucking on her way. Where is she? I'm getting peeved. 124 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,400 You haven't left yet? Yeah. I was actually getting mad. I know. I was getting mad. 125 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,960 Which is never good with you and me because when we're both pissed, we're just awful. 126 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,840 So I finally, he's like, oh, it appears that there's something wrong with the tower. We'll 127 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,720 have it fixed in 24 hours. And I was like, I've been on chat for 45 minutes at this point. 128 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,960 You didn't know that the tower was out? It was after 4pm by this point. Yeah. 129 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:38,080 And I'm like, great, thanks. So... Great. And we were supposed to meet at 4 just to remind everyone. 130 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,520 Yeah, we're supposed to meet at 4. 25 minutes away from the house. This is like 4.10 at this 131 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,920 point, 4.08 or something. And I'm like, cool. So I just paid my bill and I haven't been able to 132 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:51,440 use my phone in three days. So if my math is correct, I think it's like $5.80. May I get that 133 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:56,400 reimbursed? Please get that done. And he said, well, it should be 24 hours since the towers. 134 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:01,200 It was like, great, you already told me that. Can I get my $5.80 please? And he refused. And I was 135 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:08,560 like, so rude. Sir. But the thing is, is like, if it was just me, fine, but I also told him I 136 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:12,160 had a house full of people that couldn't use their phones. So I'm like, God, that would be a gateway. 137 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,400 You know what I mean? He's a listener, you know. He's like, the bitch, he's laughing. 138 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:22,960 So I was thinking if he had paid me $5.80, so I'd be like, great, can I get that for my family too? 139 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,480 Oh, my gosh. That's so funny. So whatever, I was pissed off. But 140 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,160 Well, so meanwhile, I'm now I'm like, I threw my hands up in the air. I was like, 141 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,040 fuck this. I just, I guess I'm going home because I'm not going to sit in a way at home when you're 142 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:38,000 25 minutes away. I'm speeding the hell home. And I'm like, this is exactly where I didn't want to do 143 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,680 like talking to myself in the car. Meanwhile, we're still in San Antonio, guys. Like they haven't 144 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:47,360 even left the facility. And it's 410 on a Thursday. No, I think I got back here at like 420. And I 145 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,760 was like, I'm ready to go. And you're like, great. And you weren't. And I wasn't ready. No, no, no. 146 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,360 What happened? Oh, because all this stuff was in the rogue, because we were supposed to leave, right? 147 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,800 So then we start unpacking everything in the road, kind of like pulls up like a bad out of hell in 148 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,160 the front yard. I left my car on everything. Yeah. And you're like, let's go, let's go. And I was 149 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:07,840 like, all right, well, then I thought you had said, Oh, I didn't hear you say bye to everybody 150 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,880 is what it was. And you went to the car and I thought you were going to the car to get something. 151 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,120 So I was kind of like taking my time. I was like finding my chapstick. I was talking to mom and 152 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:21,120 dad. Meanwhile, I'm profanity. Clearly in the car. No, seriously, I was like slamming my hand on 153 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:26,320 my steering wheel. I was like, what the hell are you doing? I can't call her because it's not 154 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,000 fucking working. Yeah, it's not working. So it's kind of nice about knowing that the phone was 155 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,880 going to work was that once we left the area, my phone did work after that. Yeah. To what 156 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:40,640 it's like, okay, Mac, we have cats. So yeah, so that was a pain in the ass. And then it looked at my map 157 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:45,440 and what would usually be an hour and 15 minute drive is now an hour and 50 because it's rush hour. 158 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:50,720 And we're supposed to meet Jennifer at 730 for dinner. Yes. We had dinner plans. Thankfully, 159 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:55,680 we weren't actually allowed to have access to set up our booth until Friday at noon. We thought we 160 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:59,520 had to set up Thursday night and be ready by 8am on Friday. So we were freaking out. We're like, 161 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,880 we're not going to have time for this. I hadn't showered in like three days. I was like, I need 162 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,440 to shower before dinner. Like I stink. I ended up not showering before dinner because we had 163 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:12,080 a little bit of issues at check in because there was just some miscommunication with all of that. 164 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:17,440 Yeah, with the cards and stuff. Yeah. So it caused us to get into our hotel room at, 165 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:23,920 I think it was like 640. 640 and we needed to leave at 710 for dinner. For dinner. Yeah. Yeah, 166 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,800 absolutely. And that's not including the time to take all of the shit from the car up another floor 167 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:33,680 and all that. So it was pain. Fifth floor. And so of course, taking everything from the parking 168 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,080 garage and we weren't going to leave all of our merch stuff, stuff for our booth, which was really 169 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,400 heavy by the way. It was really heavy. And we had the cooler that was filled with stuff. And then 170 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:48,240 our backpack, my backpack, your handbag, your other bag, and my backpack, your backpack. So much 171 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:53,200 stuff. So yeah, so we got all of that stuff upstairs. And the room was nice. It was just really 172 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,880 funny because after all of that, I was like, okay, let's wind down, let's have a drink at dinner. 173 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:01,040 Like, let's just have a good night. Like this is where our vacation starts. And then later in the 174 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:07,040 weekend, I am hearing that people are from Canada and people are from Washington and, you know, 175 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:12,560 Maine. And I'm like, I was bitching a moan in about a two hour drive here. Oh my gosh. They flew 176 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,840 with all that stuff. They flew with all that stuff. And I can't even imagine how much it would cost. 177 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:22,560 Like I think we heard from one caster that said that she spent like 60 bucks just for one. 178 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:28,160 Because she had too much stuff in her bag. Yeah. But yeah. So that was our Thursday. Oh, and then 179 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:33,520 the cherry on top. When we get to the hotel room and take a inventory of all of our stuff, 180 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:40,720 guess what's not there? All of the iced coffee and all of the water. Because it was in the back seat 181 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:48,640 of the car that dad was supposed to drive to my work together. So we had no water and no iced 182 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:55,280 coffee. We were like, great. We have to go to HB to get it, is what you're thinking. Yeah. But then 183 00:15:55,280 --> 00:16:00,240 at that time we started realizing that, okay, Friday we don't set up as an until noon. Yeah. We can 184 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,840 get our, we can figure out where our space is. And then when we figure out where our spaces 185 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:11,280 we'll set up as much as we possibly can. And then go get the waters and stuff. Yeah, for sure. And 186 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,880 you know what, side note, if anybody here is listening that is like about to go to a con or 187 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:19,120 like wants to go to a con in the future, don't bring fucking 40 bottles of little water to people 188 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,800 because they're not going to drink it because there already is like a water thing set up at the 189 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:27,920 corner with like ice watering cups. And we didn't know that. Sometimes. We probably got rid of like 190 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:33,920 seven waters out of 40 and I drank three. By the end we were like, please, please, sir, take the water. 191 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,520 Please take the water. We don't want to lug us back to San Antonio. That's one thing we learned. 192 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:47,280 We will not be buying waters for next year. Okay. That was Thursday. Well, kind of. Well, Thursday's 193 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:52,720 not over. We went to Jen. We went to meet Jen, who's one of our loyal listeners, her and Jonathan. 194 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:59,280 And Jonathan unfortunately was unable to make it, but Mac, be quiet. But Jennifer was and she took 195 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:07,520 us to this place called Rose Gose. Oh yeah, it was so good. It was delicious. They had kimchi olives 196 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:12,320 that were like soaked in that kimchi. Oh my gosh. So good. No, that was probably like some of the 197 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,560 best food I've ever had in my life. A little elevated, but really good. Bliss is good though. 198 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:21,360 Yeah. Oh yeah. It was really good. But we had a great time with Jennifer. Thank you so much, Jennifer, 199 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:27,280 for hosting us. Yeah. We're strong but hosting us in Austin and hanging out. Yeah. Live in the 200 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:32,560 Austin area. Go check it out. It was for sure. The oysters. You didn't care for the oysters. I 201 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,920 didn't care for the oysters, but they were Gulf oysters. They were little gulfy. Yeah, they lied 202 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:42,640 to me. But the strawberry like kind of compote one that they had was so good. What else did we have? 203 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:48,400 They had like a beef tip plate. Oh yeah, with the mushrooms that we took. We took it to go. But 204 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:55,600 delicious. And then afterward, me and Coel or Coel and I found ourselves at a bar called La La's. 205 00:17:55,600 --> 00:18:01,680 And if you're not familiar with Austin or the area, La La's is a year round Christmas themed bar. 206 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:08,400 And this is important because this will come back later. Come back later. Take a note of this, 1744 207 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:14,560 or maybe more when I add the ads. But this is important. It was fun. We had just a few drinks 208 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:21,200 there. It was a different, all different kinds of people type crowd. It was very divey. It was 209 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,800 cool. I love a good dive. Bartender's were super nice. Bartender's were super nice. They had an 210 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,440 old jukebox. And when you opened the restroom door, there was like a fishing line that had all 211 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,400 these little like elf on the shelf and they all dropped in front of the people sitting at the 212 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,040 bar like home alone. Yeah. Yeah. It's so cute. But that was a really cute little bar. And then 213 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:42,640 what a pleasant surprise when we showed back up to the hotel, who did we run into? But Lainey, 214 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:49,280 co-founder of True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival, she was sitting with Kristen from 215 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:55,280 Murder She Told the podcast. And then also Jason from the podcast Santa, Maybe a Criminal. 216 00:18:55,280 --> 00:19:00,160 That's why the bar was important. I thought it was going to come back way later. Way later. No, 217 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:05,200 but it was really nice. Honestly, felt kind of a relief of mine to just kind of be able to meet 218 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,520 her in person. We had a lot of correspondence with her via social media and email. But being able 219 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,280 to meet her in person in a kind of like not so professional setting because it wasn't like 220 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,120 right in the middle of the festival. Yeah, it's like in the lobby area. Yeah. And chill out area. 221 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:23,600 Exactly. And we were able to just have a little bit of a convo and we went to bed. Yeah. So that 222 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:31,920 was really nice. And then Friday morning, the sun sets. He came in from the outside. It was cold. 223 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:43,440 It was cold. She had dew on a jacket. What's next? So we don't, I don't think, well, we were setting 224 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:49,440 up at noon on Friday, right? Yeah, we didn't get down there. It was probably 11. No, it was like 225 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:54,160 right at 11.50. We were walking down there. Yeah, we were too excited. Starbucks because again, 226 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,480 we forgot the iced coffee. Yeah, the back of the road. Starbucks snacks though. That Starbucks 227 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:04,080 did snack. Every Starbucks snack. Well, it's not, it's, it's brewed or served Starbucks. It's not 228 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,160 an actual Starbucks. Yeah. They just have Starbucks products. Yeah. Yeah. But it was really good. 229 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,880 Either way. Yeah. Yeah. So we found our little booth, which is really cool because again, this is 230 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,560 the first time we've done anything like this. And so we didn't know anything like what to expect 231 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,920 at all. We didn't even know what it was going to look like. So we finally got access to the 232 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,960 Grand Bullroom that we tried to open the night before, but it was locked. It was locked. We tried 233 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,360 to sneak in. You know, we kind of made our, like, weaved our way in and out of these tables. And 234 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:31,680 on every table, there was a piece of paper, like a regular piece of printer paper with the podcast 235 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:36,320 name and then two lanyards with also with a podcast name. Yeah. And we, it took us a little bit 236 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:41,600 of time because we were nice. We were happy to be in the middle. It's not that middle. Yeah. And we 237 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:48,000 picked up our lanyards and the rest of the rest of the street. And yeah. So we ended up starting 238 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:54,320 to get set up. We had two very ginormous flags made. I'm sure you guys saw the photo on Instagram 239 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:59,280 or TikTok, but we had two very, very big flags made. And we didn't know what we were going to do 240 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,120 with, we didn't know what we were going to have if we were going to be able to hide behind us or 241 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:07,680 on the table or as a runner. We had our backs to a wall or something. So I brought thumbtacks just 242 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:13,200 in case. Yeah. But it ended up fitting perfectly over like as a tablecloth almost. And our logo 243 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,680 was right in the center. And I was like, this is perfect. It was so cool. So we set up what we had 244 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:23,920 and then we had to go to HEB to get some water. We clearly needed those waters. Yeah, for sure. 245 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,680 We needed the water. Well, we, in retrospect, we didn't need the water, but we thought we did. 246 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:32,320 Yeah. And as soon as we walk into that HEB, man, and that lady was like, do you want to try some 247 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:37,920 salters? And we're like, yeah. And so by the way, we have a lot of listeners that are not from 248 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:45,280 Texas or America. It is our local grocery store. If people think it's acronym for here, everything's 249 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:50,400 better, but it's actually Henry Edward, but he's the founder. Henry or Harold, I'm like that. I 250 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:57,040 think it's Henry. I think Charles is in charge. Yes, Charles is in charge. But yeah, when you 251 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:02,880 hear us say HEB, that's our local supermarket, I guess. It's a grocery store. There are some 252 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:09,280 HEB pluses that carry other things similar to like a Myers maybe. Yeah, true. Some clothing items, 253 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:14,960 some comforts. Yeah, it's kind of a grocery store. So yeah, we walk in and we talked to the 254 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,840 lady that was, yeah, the lovely lady that was serving the little samples of alcohol, 255 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,760 yeah, of course. And we're like, we're here for the true crime paranormal podcast festival. And 256 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,480 she said, I meant, I thought that was last weekend, I meant to be there. All this stuff. She was super 257 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,800 duper nice. Super nice. Yeah, we've been telling like literally everyone that we saw on Austin about 258 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:38,000 it because why not? If you even come, they had day passes left, you know. Yeah. In the lanyard, I had 259 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:43,840 the diagnosing it like the true crime paranormal, like the logo, the diagnosing it killer. And then 260 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,560 on the back of that, I put, well, we both had our business cards on the back. So sometimes we'd just 261 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:53,680 be around Austin going to pick up stuff from the store or having lunch or something and just 262 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,640 it's right there bam, scan it over the QR codes right there. 263 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,920 It's no secret that we value your mental health. So we are thrilled to announce that we are sponsored 264 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:11,600 by BetterHelp to support you. BetterHelp is the world's largest therapy service, and it's 100% 265 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:17,280 online. With BetterHelp, you can access a network of over 30,000 licensed therapists with a wide 266 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:23,280 range of specialties and be linked with the perfect match. Whether it's via text, chat, or video call, 267 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,760 you can talk to your therapist when it works for you. 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It was like a picture of what she does because she's a YouTuber as well. 275 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,280 And she talks in front of this actual setup, but it was just a photo of it. So it could kind of mimic 276 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,440 what her videos looked like. Almost like a fireplace and like a mantel, I think. Yeah, 277 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,640 with these creepy candles on it. Yeah. On the reverse side of that, so again, facing our booth 278 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,520 was this giant black and white QR code. Well, when we walked up, I was like, oh dang, someone put a 279 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:41,040 QR code for us. Like that's really nice of them. Anyway, so we walked up and then we realized what 280 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,720 that was for. Well, unfortunately, Kimber wasn't there at the moment. So we weren't able to talk 281 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,720 to her about it, but it was still early and we were like, you know what, not a big deal. It 282 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,400 matches our colors. Yeah, where it's stationary with black and white. Exactly. And we were like, 283 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,960 if anyone comes up and scans it, we'll just explain to them that's not her QR code, but she's amazing 284 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:02,080 YouTuber. So it's like, there's no harm no foul, right? So that was that. And then we went over and 285 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:08,480 met. I'll let you take this one. Ninja Nancy. So what's so funny is that when we were setting up, 286 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:13,040 every once in a while, you would hear this like noise, but a very loud one. Scary. 287 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:18,640 Across the ballroom. It's like a bug being zapped in one of those lights. And I had snooped on the 288 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:25,520 festival's Instagram before. And so I had seen that there was a self-defense booth up last year. 289 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,520 And so it's like, that has to be the self-defense. People like have to go over and talk to them. 290 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:35,760 So Ninja Nancy, Damsel Ninja Nancy, who actually has a TikTok, by the way, and I love her TikTok. 291 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:43,760 I love it. Damsel in Defense. Damsel in Defense. And it's, she does all these like self-defense kits. 292 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:49,040 And a lot of them, like they had, she had everything in pink and I wanted like the whole Barbie 293 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,920 collection. I love it. I bought a pokey device thingy from her. Oh, the pointy butt block. 294 00:25:53,920 --> 00:26:01,680 So we were calling it a pointy butt block. I loved it though. Well, I mean, I think it's just, 295 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:06,960 if you have to stab someone with it, it gets lodged. It'll do some damage. Yeah. But yeah, 296 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:12,240 I jokingly couldn't, I couldn't describe it to Cliff. So I called it a pointy butt block. 297 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,680 And so I got the rose colored one. I think it was Matt. Matt rose. Matt blush, I think is the one 298 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,080 that I got. Well, Ninja Nancy is freaking amazing. Y'all definitely go check her out. She has great 299 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,960 products and she is a wonderful person. Like she just cracked me up. She had these little keys 300 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,960 and that the little puff ball you were saying like, what is that key chain for? And the little key was, 301 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,720 it goes into the stun gun. Yeah. So that if someone takes it out of your hands, it disengages. 302 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,640 They can't use it. They can't use it against you. I thought that was so cool. It was Matt. Yeah, 303 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:47,200 check out Ninja Nancy. She's so animated. She's so much fun. She reminds me of everybody's fun aunt. 304 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,760 No, she's great. She really is. And thanks for the great combo Ninja Nancy. We will definitely 305 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,000 be keeping in touch with you. And the knowledge, the education that she teaches is really, 306 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,840 really important. She was cracking me up when she was saying, this was not Friday. This was the next 307 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,760 day when she was saying that like, when she's trying to like sell these to people, she goes to 308 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,800 parks or whatever, like events like in the parks, whatever, and this lady will come up and she's 309 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,480 like, yeah, so she's telling her about their products and ladies like, well, I don't, this is 310 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,000 like a customer. She's like, well, I don't really know if I need that. You know, I don't really 311 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,840 leave my house. And she's like, Nancy's like, oh, so you live here in the park? You live here in 312 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,800 the park? You live here in your house? You're in your house right now? Like you live here? Oh, 313 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,240 you live here? Oh, okay. Nice. And she's like, well, no, I don't really ever go places without my 314 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,800 husband. And she's like, where is he? Where is he? I don't see him cracking me up. I don't see him. 315 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,680 I don't see him. He's gonna go anywhere with your husband. Well, he wants to go without you. 316 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:39,600 Gosh, is there something happens to your husband? I don't see him. Anyways, so yeah, 317 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:46,240 so then we had the podcasters only mixer on Friday night, which was really great. They had 318 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:51,440 like Orderv set up for us and we got to meet a lot of really great people. I think in my opinion, 319 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,840 the most memorable and admirable for that night because we met them for the first time was Jen 320 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:04,080 and Cam from our True Crime podcast. Yes. Wonderful women, just so graceful and so genuine. And 321 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,960 definitely go give them a listen because we actually listened to them on the way home from 322 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,200 Austin. Like, I was so excited we were about them. Super, super nice. And I know that they 323 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,080 recently shouted us out on Instagram too. So thank you for that. Thanks guys. But just we had 324 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,680 some personal connections with them and we just really appreciate the authenticity of the conversations 325 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,160 we were able to have. And I feel like they very quickly took on like a maternal role like for 326 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:32,560 us as well. I was gonna say it was definitely like familiar. The feeling was very familiar. Like, 327 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:37,360 it was almost like either old friends getting back together or family members getting back 328 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:41,280 together or something. It was very, I don't know. It was nice. Something deep there. Yeah, 329 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,400 and I think I'm not mistaken. They're from Michigan. So I think I'll visit. Yeah, I'll visit Michigan. 330 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:51,920 I'll visit Michigan. Yeah, give them a listen for sure. And then you want to talk about our next 331 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:57,600 person? Who is our next? Oh, is it Jason? Yeah. Okay, I love Jason. I'm obsessed with Jason. 332 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:06,880 You heard it here first. You heard it here first, folks. So yeah, when we met Jason the first night, 333 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:13,600 do you want to talk about Jason? Hold on. I had to pause because the cat was pissing me. I was 334 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:20,160 making so much noise. Yes, I will talk about Jason. And I was 100% transparent with him. I am 335 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:25,760 always the kind of person that like, if I make a wrong assumption, or I say something I don't 336 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,360 necessarily mean, or I say something before I know the facts, like I will always admit that. 337 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:36,080 And I will always make sure that I am being 100% genuine with people. Right. And I told Jason 338 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:42,560 the next night, on Friday night, that when I met him at first, I didn't really care for him. I 339 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,960 thought that it was a shtick that he was doing. I thought he was making a light of true crime in 340 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:53,440 his podcast. I have since realized that his podcast is literally a true crime satire podcast. 341 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,920 Right. And it's essentially an audio TV series. And Jason, if you're listening, I want episode 342 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:03,280 12. Okay, so you know that I don't dislike you. I really like the episode. I texted him, I want to 343 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,840 be, I want to be Richie when I grow up. Yeah, no, Richie's great. But Richie's the character in 344 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,080 his show. You'll have to listen seriously. It's called Santa May Be a Criminal. And anyway, so 345 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,160 I was talking to Jason on Friday and I said, look, I just want to be completely honest. I 346 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,360 made a wrong assumption about you. I should not have judged based on a 30 second conversation 347 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,920 with you or an interaction that was last second. I really do think you're a nice guy. And I think 348 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,480 you're super genuine. And I really like what you do. And he said, he's like, you know what, I really 349 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:35,040 appreciate that, like that honesty. He's like, I don't know how I come across to people a lot of 350 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,720 the time. And I like when people give me that feedback, because then I can do better in the 351 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:44,160 future. And I really like personally, as Kenna, I really liked that response. Because some people 352 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,080 would say, why the hell did you even tell me that you didn't just say that to me? Like, that's rude, 353 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,320 or like, Oh, how dare you like not like me immediately or whatever. But he took it so 354 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:57,280 gracefully. And he took it like, seriously, it was a learning opportunity for him. It absolutely 355 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,040 was. And it was also a learning opportunity for me. I should not have, you know, I should not 356 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,360 have immediately made an assumption about someone I don't know him. You know, I still don't know him 357 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,920 very well. But I think that that's kind of over and done with. But he has made fun of me about four 358 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:18,800 times since then. He's never gonna let it go. Which is fine. Yeah, I think like, we all do this thing 359 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,120 where when we are put in an uncomfortable situation, but we know we want to push through it because 360 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,280 we like this whole situation when we talked about our imposter syndrome, which Jason was one of the 361 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:35,440 first people to say he was I dealt with that. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that we all have certain 362 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:42,320 soothing habits when we're uncomfortable and stuff like that. Like what a mine is to drink. And 363 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:50,480 but you know, maybe one of Jason's is this, you know, this is the let me give you all the 364 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,440 information that I have at this moment right now, the way I can get over this. Yeah, no, 365 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,960 no, real quick and just break the ice. And so I think maybe him breaking the ice to you came off 366 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,440 as disingenuous. Yeah, no, for sure. And I think that's what it was as well. And again, like, 367 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,800 no one do what I did. Don't just make an assumption about someone off of the they always say like 368 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,480 in a first impression is within this first seven seconds of meeting someone. But I just agree, 369 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,920 like, you can make that first impression and you could always change your mind and you can always 370 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,320 admit when you're wrong, which is exactly what I did. Yeah, but it was really funny because 371 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,520 after I had that long conversation with him on a Friday night about all that, 372 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:32,400 Saturday morning, I busted his balls a little bit because I knew I could. And I he was wearing his 373 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,040 little suit, his suit jacket, not little, he was wearing his suit jacket with the fur like a 374 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,360 Santa coat, but it was like an actual suit. Right. And I walked up, he was in a group of a bunch 375 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:47,040 of people and we walked up and I go, Oh, hey, head elf. And he goes, Oh, so you listened to my podcast. 376 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,520 And I said, No, I read your synopsis. Thank you. I think everyone started cranking up. And I was 377 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,200 like, Oh my God, he's like, Oh, okay, two shake. Yeah, but I have and I still am. I was listening 378 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:01,040 to it earlier today. I was listening to it to Jason. Yeah, kind of obsessed. Anyway, Jason, again, 379 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,840 completely changed my mind about him and he'll super nice to keep reminding me about I'm sure for a 380 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:11,920 while. But also, you heard it here first folks, Jason, if you're listening, I'm trying to write 381 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,880 a book and I need your assistance because you were so creative. Jason's writing is really good. 382 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,600 For sure. Yeah, it's definitely entertaining. Like I've been talking about it to other friends of mine 383 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:28,080 and especially some of our closest friends and some of our longest listeners, because I think 384 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:35,440 that they would really enjoy it. The writing is funny. It's so funny. And but it really, 385 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,320 like he creates this entire universe and it's so fun. And it reminds me of old radio shows, 386 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,120 like old noir radio shows, like you'd be listening in every week. It's essentially an audiobook. 387 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,720 Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, you know, just back in the day when you didn't have a television, 388 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,960 you only listen to radio. You had to leave it to the imagination. And like I said, I'm so daft 389 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,920 when it comes to podcasts because I don't listen to podcasts. Yeah. So it's the first one that 390 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,440 I've ever listened to that's kind of like that. Well, same. I mean, honestly, like that's not 391 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,480 really my cup of tea when it comes to podcasts. But I really enjoy it. I didn't even realize 392 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,600 there were podcasts that did that. Right. So that's really cool. So go check out Jason again. It's 393 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,840 Santa, maybe a criminal is the name of the podcast. And it's a 12 part series. He has a bunch of 394 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,240 episodes. Right. So go listen. And that's about Jason. And that's about Jason. Where are we going 395 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:22,240 next year for the True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival? We're going to be in Denver. 396 00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:27,680 So excited. I love Denver. I used to visit some friends when they lived in Denver. And 397 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:34,400 so it's been probably over 12 years since I've been there. Wow, really? So I was, I just love the 398 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,720 fact that not only are we going somewhere where it's like out of our home state, we get to meet 399 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:42,960 so many new people that aren't from Texas. But it's also familiar to us because both of us have 400 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,800 been there so many times. So that's great because it's a familiar area, but it's out of our comfortable 401 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,160 zone about like South Texas. And it's going to be in July. It's going to feel so nice. Yeah. And 402 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,240 it's my birthday weekend, bitches. Oh, that's so cool. So y'all better go. I'm making all my friends 403 00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:59,760 come this week. We're going to do the same thing, I hope, with the five day thing, making a whole 404 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:06,080 trip, especially if it's this far. For sure. And it's my birthday on Sunday. So the last day of 405 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:11,600 the festival is my birthday. So you guys better go. Okay, thanks. So excited. Who else did we meet? 406 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:20,560 We met Brandy and Chris from Texas Wine and True Crime? Yes, Texas Wine and True Crime. 407 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:27,120 They're so nice. So nice. I love seeing couples doing these things. Yeah, that's so cool. My boyfriend 408 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,360 doesn't even listen to the podcast, let alone he wouldn't host it with me. Southern Fried too. 409 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:46,320 It was the other time. So they're in for a true crime. Eric and her husband. Yeah, Mr. Kelly. Mr. Kelly. Very, very nice people. And just again, people that have been doing it for years and are just as inviting as people that have been doing it for six months. You know, like it's so great. It's so great. 410 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:58,960 There's a big sense of community with that. Absolutely. CJ. CJ. Hi, CJ. Love CJ. Hi, CJ. CJ hosts Beyond the Rainbow podcast. Yes. 411 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:07,920 CJ brings light to crimes against the LGBTQ plus community and is a lot of advocacy with that as well. 412 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:14,560 And you were obsessed with her tagline. Do you remember what it was? It was. It's not a crime to be gay unless you're a murderer. 413 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:26,880 And I love that. So good. So good. So good. Obsessed. That is so clever. And that's so true. Like, fuck off, everyone. If you're a criminal, you're a fucking criminal. Yeah, that's all. That's all. That's all it is. That is all. 414 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:37,920 But I definitely gravitated towards CJ and her story and her and I talked about identity and orientation and stuff like that. And it was just so nice to talk to her. 415 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:47,200 And you could tell that she's just talk about an open heart and a genuine person. Absolutely. Again, just another one of everybody's favorite fun aunts. 416 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:57,360 And CJ's booth was actually set up directly to the right of Kimber so she was like, catty cornered us so we could literally just turn around in the middle of the system and be like, hey, what's it doing? 417 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:10,000 So of course, one of the questions I asked that CJ said that she gets asked a lot is whether or not she covered Matthew Shepard because it's one of the bigger, especially when I was growing up in late 90s, early 2000s. 418 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:24,080 Don't quote me on the year, but if you don't know Matthew Shepard was murdered for being gay in a small town. And so I asked her about that and she said, yes, she said I do do big cases because sometimes that's what people want to hear. 419 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:35,840 But she really likes to focus on the lesser known cases. Absolutely. Light and awareness that this happens everywhere, not just in major cities. Yeah, absolutely. People that don't even know the news. 420 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:46,560 Exactly. Yeah, absolutely. Especially people of color and especially people in lower funded areas. Yeah, absolutely. And it's definitely like heartbreaking and the fact that I feel like she's almost doing something similar to us. 421 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:55,600 It's like she's bringing a whole new take on true crime that a lot of people don't really do when they start true crime. And that's unfortunate because those do need to be talked about. 422 00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:11,920 Yeah, so she does hers in seasons. So I think she's on season. I lied. Wow, she's in season 10, season 11. My gosh, she's got like 15 episodes a season. So go check out Beyond the Rainbow. 423 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,760 Yeah, binge worthy content right there. 424 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,600 Binge worthy content. For sure. Yes. How about Mallory? 425 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,080 Mallory Robinson. Mallory Robinson. 426 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:33,040 Mallory, what a sweetheart, man. I loved her. Yeah, I love her. Let me find her website real quick because she does a trans sensitivity training. And let me look real quick. 427 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:50,000 So Mallory's website runs a hateful homicide.net. And on her history, just a little bit of a synopsis about her podcast, A Hateful Homicide is a True Crime and Investigative Journalism Podcast since March 31st, 2021, by transgender advocate Mallory 428 00:38:50,000 --> 00:39:03,440 Jenner Robinson. The cases cover all trans identities in the US and abroad. So her mission statement is, A Hateful Homicide's mission is to assure that all trans victims have a voice by assuring accurate, adequate and affirming case coverage. 429 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:16,640 Yeah, absolutely. And one of those things that when people start a true crime podcast, not to diminish anybody else that does true crime, but one of those things that it's a different angle, it's a different voice that needs to be heard. 430 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:32,000 Absolutely. So she does post these transgender empathy training sessions. And so the vision is that transgender empathy trainings are provided online, hybrids and in person Monday through Saturdays 11 to 7. I think she's in... 431 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:43,280 I think she's in LA. Is she in LA? I think she is. I think you're right. I think you're right. Either way, just Google A Hateful Homicide.net. All the information is there. I think that the trans empathy training is a huge, huge thing. 432 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:54,320 Especially in LA, that like is such a big hub where so many people are, you know? For sure. Definitely something to look into. Definitely go give Mallory a follow. Yeah, thanks for your work, Mallory. 433 00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:02,800 Absolutely. And just to shout out a couple more podcasts that we did get a chance to talk to. Malice and Mocktails, the girls are really amazing. I love talking to them immediately. It was so nice. 434 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:16,080 You guys, please hit us up. I know that we, I think we might have exchanged numbers with them actually. I think we did. Nefarious Nightmare, those girls are great as well. They're the bees. The bees. I love the bees. I found Lisa, one of our listeners. I was over at her place recently. 435 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:30,960 And she does charm bracelets, not charm bracelets, but like phone charm beads. And then she started doing friendship bracelets for the Taylor Swift concert that's happening. Oh my gosh. But she had a whole set of bees, like bee bees. Oh, I love it. It was so cute. Anyways, it reminded me of them. 436 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:53,280 Yeah, no worries. Crime and cocktails is really great as well. Super nice girls. Tiffany, yeah. And there's Vanish. That was really great. I'd like to hear the take on that. It's like a history podcast as well. As well as murders and mimosas. That is a mother daughter duo. They are so sweet and so great. And there's a couple of paranormal podcasts as well that went obviously, hence the name. 437 00:40:53,280 --> 00:41:19,280 Yeah. There's a Paranormal Chicks. A paranormal chick. Which I love physically on words, a pair of normal chicks. Their booth was so cool. It was lime green with like this caution tape. It was so fun. And then Seuss Deux hosted by Adrian. That was a really interesting booth. All of his stuff looked so cool. And I want a Seuss Deux shirt. I love it. And then there's also paranormal putas. Paranormal putas. Love them. 438 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:43,280 And then PNW Paranormal Pacific Northwest. Right? Yes. PNW. We know what that means now. Right? Because we had that, what happened, it was the Batter Minhoff. Right? Yes. It definitely was. We saw PNW. And then somebody was like, what is that? Oh, Pacific Northwest. And then CJ said, PNW, right? Yeah. We're like, no, we know what that means. 439 00:41:43,280 --> 00:42:10,280 So last couple of shoutouts was Gary Howard from Truck Stop Murder, super nice guy. And then Robert from the Broken System Podcast. Robert. Awesome people. Thank you guys for everything. Also Heather and Brittany from Nature vs. Narcissism. So nice talking to you, gals. And thank you so much for all the advice, as well as sinners over sayings. The girls were really great. And I did a little bit of trivia at their booth. And that was really cool. I feel like a genius as I got all three right. It happened to be all three cases that I've covered. 440 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:38,280 Yeah, Jen from Vanished. We have some pretty good conversations too about, you know, just criminalization of mental health and all, just the cycle, the pattern that can happen. The pattern is going to talk to you. Absolutely awful. And as far as listeners go, huge, huge shout out to Jill and Ray from Louisiana. We had such a great weekend with them. I think I met Jill on Friday night and we hung out with her in her room. Almost every night. 441 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:53,280 Almost every night. Just such great people and just such great stories that we were able to share and hardships that we were able to relate on and share. And just a great couple on it. Don't really have another word other than great. They're so amazing. 442 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:59,280 Oh, the cast of the Double Tree was hilarious. The cast. The staff. The staff was great at the Double Tree. 443 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,280 Like it was the Truman Show. 444 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:13,280 Yeah, Arif, Mehmet and Arma. Yeah, they were great, great people. They were so nice to talk to. So they're pretty much in the bar restaurant area. 445 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:27,280 Yeah, for sure. And then lastly, I got a chance to talk to a couple from Vegas by the names of Sean and John. Sean and John are a married couple and we were, I had a conversation with them for probably an hour. I was like, at the end of it, I was like, I am talking. 446 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:33,280 Y'all's ears off. Please be quiet. And then John kept inputting his input. I was like, okay, he's trying to talk. He's still willing. 447 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:42,280 He actually tagged me in a post recently or tagged us in a post recently on Instagram. And it was like a political post, but the guy was kind of going in circles and he was like, wasn't making any sense. 448 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:49,280 But he was trying to relate like mental health and violent crimes and it just wasn't working. It was like, dude, you did like a serious change of heart. 449 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,280 We forgot to finish the story about Kimber. 450 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:59,280 Yeah, oh, we did. Oh my gosh. Okay, over here, people are like, dang, they don't like that one girl. 451 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,280 But like, it'll come back around and it never does. It's like the polar bears and the lost one. 452 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:12,280 So yeah, speaking of the story with Kimber, so we had our booth backed up to her. If you guys don't remember her QR code was showing on our side and she wasn't down there for us to talk to. 453 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:19,280 So Kuella and I made the decision like, you know what, it's not a big deal. It's our first year here. We're here to learn. We're not here to, you know, nitpick anything or anything like that. 454 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:26,280 We walked down and all I said was, hey girl, do you mind if we hang up our second flag? She turns around and she goes, oh my God, yes. 455 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:33,280 I'm so sorry. She's like, please, please use my, do you want some, whatever, like some zip ties? She was so nice. 456 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:38,280 She was, I mean, she didn't have to do that and it was so nice, her and John and they helped us put it up. 457 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:46,280 And then Friday night it actually fell and the next morning we showed up and it was back up and we realized that John, who was at the booth with her, put it back up for us. 458 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:51,280 Put it back up for us with safety pins. With safety pins. They were just so nice. 459 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:58,280 Honestly, could not have asked for a better booth buddy and just a whole experience. Like everything was so great. 460 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:06,280 If, you know, I had no confidence going into it, honestly, not no, but not a lot and coming out of it, I'm like, dude, everyone is just like us. 461 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:11,280 Everyone is just trying to get their voice out there and just trying to have fun while doing this as well. 462 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:16,280 Yeah. And raising awareness, honestly, talk about the Bexley box because you talked to that lady at the booth. 463 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,280 Yeah. So I was able to learn a little bit more about Project Bexley box. 464 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:30,280 I'll just give you the little synopsis here. On February 16th of 2022, a man by the name of Jared was actually shot and killed in front of his two year old daughter by the name of Bexley. 465 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:36,280 Jared would leave behind Bexley. Three of his other children and his wife, Kristen, after this night. 466 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:45,280 Bexley was alone for several minutes between when her dad was shot just a few feet away from her to win a kind bystander removed Bexley from the vehicle and actually wrapped her in a blanket. 467 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:52,280 Bexley and her mom actually spent hours at a police station that night without any materials for the baby at all. 468 00:45:52,280 --> 00:46:00,280 So the goal behind Bexley boxes is to equip police stations with simple toys, blankets, food items, other necessities such as diapers, wipes, etc. 469 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:06,280 to ease the anxiety and pain children experience when finding themselves in similar situations to Bexley. 470 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:15,280 I know that this just started in late 2022 and they've already donated, I think, over 30 boxes, which is so cool. 471 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,280 And that was just a synopsis I read from the Instagram page. 472 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,280 The Instagram page is called Justice for Jared B. 473 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:31,280 And it has a bunch of information. It actually looks like they did make an arrest earlier in the year, but there is still multiple people that they think were involved in this. 474 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:37,280 So if you have any information, please call your local authorities and donate to Bexley Box if you can because it's a really great cause. 475 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,280 Yeah. And you said they keep up with the expiration dates and all that with the money left. 476 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:46,280 They do, yeah. They make sure they keep in contact with the police stations so that they can continuously have restocked boxes. 477 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:55,280 We also met a man by the name of Jason Watts. He is a private investigator who is an advocate for missing persons, family of missing persons. 478 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,280 And currently he's looking for Jason Landry. 479 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,280 Jason Landry at the time of his disappearance was 21 years old and a college student. 480 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,280 His car was found crashed and unoccupied in Luling, Texas. 481 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,280 This is on the eve of December 13, 2020. 482 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:16,280 And it is believed that he was traveling from his college apartment in San Marcos, Texas to his hometown of Missouri, Texas. 483 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:22,280 And items belonging to Jason were left behind in his car and strewn about the area, but he has yet to be found. 484 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:28,280 And I know that Jason said that they had searched like the mile radius around the area where they believed he was. 485 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:33,280 He has brown hair. He has 6'1", 170 pounds, brown eyes. 486 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:42,280 He is a white male and he has olive complexion. But if you know anything about the disappearance of Jason, there is a reward up of $20,000. 487 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,280 Yeah, absolutely. And Jason's parents were actually at the festival as well. 488 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:53,280 I think it's super admirable that they were able to go out there and do that and just put the word out there for anybody that is willing to take a flyer and listen. 489 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,280 The more that his face is shown around, the better the chances are. 490 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,280 So we figured we would also put that out here on our platform. 491 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,280 Absolutely. And Jason Watts is also looking for Kay Alana Turner from Tumble, Texas. 492 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:09,280 She was 28 years old and she was last seen near the block, 1800 block of Country Hills in Tumble, Texas. 493 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,280 She was wearing a long pink dress at the time of her disappearance. 494 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,280 And if you have any information of her, contact your local authority. 495 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:25,280 Yeah, absolutely. I think it's really impressive that this con is one of the, if not the only one that is focusing on advocacy as well, like forward. 496 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:30,280 I think that's a really big factor in getting, you know, a lot of people on board. 497 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:43,280 And I just think it's really great because a lot of people, I think, not in cons specifically or festivals, but in the true crime world in general, I feel like we have a lot of people that are trying to exploit certain aspects of true crime. 498 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,280 And we have a lot of people that aren't. 499 00:48:45,280 --> 00:49:00,280 Yeah, I agree with that. And I think that we also can't forget that this is also a very real aspect of true crime, our missing people and family members that are left behind as well that also needs to be taken care of when a crime happens to them. 500 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:09,280 And we definitely met, we met quite a few people there that had loved ones that had been murdered or victims of homicides or assaults. 501 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:24,280 And this is why they do that. And I think it was when we were having a pretty real conversation with, I want to say it was Jen, Jason, Robert, I think even Brandy and Chris were out there when we said there's something that brought us here. 502 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:25,280 Yeah. 503 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:33,280 There's something that is in our past that makes us passionate about doing this and raising awareness in any sense of the true crime world. 504 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:43,280 And I think that, yeah, there's a reason we're all there. And it was, again, so lovely to meet such supportive people because we all, again, we all have a history here. 505 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:49,280 Yeah, absolutely. And we're super looking forward to next year when not only are we walking into Denver, but we're walking in with like 50 new friends. 506 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,280 I know, so cool. 507 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:58,280 So thank you guys so much for the support. And obviously thank you for the amazing listeners that came and saw us. We really, really, really appreciate it. 508 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:09,280 And it's just crazy that we were able to do this and we're going to continue to do things like this. If you know of any like local things that we can go do a panel out, like please let us know because we're still looking. 509 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:19,280 We're new to all of this. That was our first exposure to the networking world. So please, please reach out to us. And again, if you have any case suggestions, you always want those. So email us and DMS on Instagram and stuff. 510 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,280 Yeah. 511 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,280 Oh, it's like an end of an era. It's also a two year. 512 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,280 Wrapping it up. Yep. Happy two years. 513 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,280 All right, guys, we will talk to you later. 514 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:58,280 Talk to you later. Love you. Bye. 515 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,280 Yeah.