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Hello!

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Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer.

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My name is Kena. I'm Koel.

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This one's a fucking douche.

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A douche.

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It's the dousiest of the dousies.

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I forgot that we weren't doing any ads here and that means that there's no pause for

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the music because it's gonna go to the music.

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Welcome back everybody.

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Yeah.

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Are you excited to be having your case on a Tuesday this week?

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That's kind of weird, right?

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It's odd.

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It feels odd, but everything feels odd this week with the con coming up this weekend.

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We are so excited. I've been posting the countdown on the Instagram and this is technically

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also a countdown with this case. So this will be countdown two and then I guess one tomorrow.

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Not tomorrow, but when this comes out on Wednesday for the last mental breakdown and then we're

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going and then we're going.

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Oh my gosh, I can't even.

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So that just means that nothing on Thursday is to be expected, but we'll try to get you

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something out on Monday, which is likely gonna be our experience while we're gone.

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Yeah, absolutely. We're definitely gonna talk about that.

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But before we do get into this case, do you want to tell everybody about where they can

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If this is their first time listening?

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There, there is links to merch and resources.

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You can also check us out on any social media platform at diagnosingakiller other than X,

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which is at killer diagnosis.

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I do just want to quickly mention a message that I got on my personal Instagram the other

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day from my friend Christina.

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She said that she's been binging DAK and she said it's so good that we crack her up.

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And she said she already is on episode 20 and she only started a few weeks ago.

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Nice.

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And then I messaged her literally within a few hours.

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She's like, I'm on episode 24 now actually.

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So she's clearly been listening a lot.

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So thank you Christina for the lovely words and for listening.

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And we're glad that you are here.

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Thank you for being here.

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Absolutely.

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So today's case is actually a request from another listener.

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And this request dates back to February of this year.

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Oh my goodness.

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So it's an oldie but a goodie.

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And one of our listeners requested it.

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I read the whole message back in the day back in February.

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So if you want to listen to the whole message, read it there.

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But I will be sure to mention the name in our post when we do post this because she said

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that was okay.

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But without further ado, today we are going to be talking about one Gerard John Schaefer.

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Gerard Schaefer?

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Yes.

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I don't think I know this one.

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I didn't know this one either.

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Okay.

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But I will say it's fucking horrendous.

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Where's he from?

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He is from Wisconsin.

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Wisconsin.

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Yes.

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So American guy, we are going to be talking about him today via request and let's get

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into it because this is going to be a doozy of a case.

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Okay.

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Content warning, this episode contains depictions of child abuse, violent sexual fantasies,

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extreme animal cruelty, assault and murder of minors, sexual tendencies, negative idolations

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of race, and talk of cannibalism.

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If this is not the episode for you, we encourage you to find another episode.

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Remember, your mental health is very important to us and we love you.

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Love you.

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Bye.

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What is that?

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Content warning.

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So yeah, there's a lot going on.

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Are you sure this is one person?

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That's a lot.

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It's a lot.

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And he just had a lot of internal shit going on.

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And we'll obviously get into all of that, but let's get into when Jar- Jar- Jar- Jar-

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Okay, well, that's awful.

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Off to a great start.

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His name is Jarard.

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So we're going to get into when he was born.

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Jarard John Schafer was born on March 26, 1946, and Nina, Wisconsin, was in Washington.

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He would be the first of three children born to Jarard John Schafer Sr. and Doris Marie

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Runis Schafer, with a sister named Sarah and a brother named Gary.

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Oh, always a Gary.

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Always a Gary.

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Jarard Sr. was a traveling salesman for Kimberly Clark, who were known for their toiletries

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and household items at the time, and mom Doris was a housewife or a stay-at-home mom.

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Although Jarard was born in Wisconsin, he would be raised mostly in Nashville, Tennessee,

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as his dad was frequently moving the family due to his job.

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The family would move yet again while Jarard was still young, locating this time to Atlanta,

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Georgia, where Jarard would attend Marist Academy, a private Catholic school.

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Pretty religious-based family.

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Ultimately, the family would relocate once again, this time to Fort Lauderdale, Florida,

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in 1960, where they would remain permanently for their main duty.

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George Charles.

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Still a lot of moving for a young kid.

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Still a lot.

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In 1960, I mean, he was born in 46.

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46, yeah.

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So he's 14, and he's moved like four times.

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That's gotta be a lot, a lot.

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And having to make new friends every time and having-

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You can't really keep in contact, especially now.

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There's no cell phones back then, you know?

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It's not the 1920s.

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It wasn't.

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He had the pen pal.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It was probably hard for him.

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Jarard would later describe his childhood as, quote, troubled and turbulent, quote, mostly

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due to the frequent moves due to dad's job, like I said, but also due to his father actually

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being very verbally abusive and an alcoholic.

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So Jarard Sr. was noted as being verbally abusive to the children and his wife alike

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throughout the kid's upbringing.

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And although Jarard Sr.'s job would keep him out of the house often, it also caused

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him and his eldest son, Jarard Jr., to have a tumultuous relationship, because they didn't

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get to see each other, and when they did, he was-

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So Jarard Jr. always thought that his father favored his two siblings, and he resented

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him for the frequent belittling and favoritism.

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Well, what an interesting thought, because you're literally named after the guy.

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And he thinks that he favors his siblings.

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Well, do you think that maybe he thought in a way because he was his namesake, he would

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be treated better?

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I think that might be the case.

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Or maybe it's like, oh, you only named me that because I was your firstborn, but you

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clearly don't like me or whatever.

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Or firstborn son.

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So due to this difficult relationship with his father, Jarard Jr. would become close

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to his mother while growing up, as one does.

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Doris was the opposite of Jarard Sr. and she was known as being extremely protective of

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not only herself, but the children as well, especially when it would come to these abusive

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arguments.

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So she would get in the middle sometimes, you think?

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He would either be yelling at her and she would defend herself verbally, whatever, or

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yelling at the kids and she would defend them, I think, is what it came down to.

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And I mention this because I feel like we really commonly hear that if the father is

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abusive, the mother is also either an addict or neglectful or something, like in these

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cases.

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Or just ignores it.

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I think it's not there.

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So kind of wanted to mention that the mom in this particular case was really defensive

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of her children.

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So although Jarard had a better relationship with his mom, he also sometimes thought that

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she favored her other children as well over him.

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And while some people would refer to the Schaefer's children's childhood as, quote, idyllic,

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end quote, Jarard would refer to himself as the quote, illegitimate product of a forced

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marriage, end quote.

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Ooh.

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That's heavy.

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That is heavy.

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Like, yeah.

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Like, he's like, they didn't want me.

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They didn't even want me.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And now I'm essentially the cause of them being together.

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He might think that.

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And he's like, they're probably still together only because of the kids.

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And now it's like my fault that they're in this tumultuous relationship.

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That's such a hard feeling to go through.

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For like a teenager or a kid, I don't know when.

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He said that later, but you know what I mean?

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He probably felt that way when he was younger.

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He would also later speak about his problems with both of his parents, stating that they,

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quote, never had a good relationship, end quote, that his father was, quote, always critical,

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end quote, and his mother was, quote, always on my back to do better, end quote.

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So it's like he can't win.

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Like, he's like, no matter what I do, I can't please them.

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I'm not their favorite.

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Yeah, I'm never going to, it's never going to be solved because I am the problem.

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I know.

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It's awful.

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But due to the fact that Gerard's seniors seem to favor his daughter, Sarah, Gerard

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Jr. would later admit that this flip made him, quote, want to be a girl, end quote.

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Oh, okay.

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Gerard Jr. would also struggle with suicidal thoughts before the age of 12, stating, quote,

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I wanted to die, end quote, and telling psychiatrists, quote, I couldn't please my father.

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So in playing games, I always got killed, end quote.

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So like they would role play or whatever, and he would always be the one to like die.

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That's like kind of like Randy's stare when Randy's stare would have those homework assignments,

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those essay assignments, and he would always write him as kind of this main character and

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he would always end up dying either by suicide or, you know, death by cop or something like

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that.

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So kind of similar.

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Not being able to please his father, Gerard would continuously try and he would pursue

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outdoor activities such as like hunting and fishing and even develop the liking for

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gun collecting because these were things that like his dad was into.

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Gerard Sr. would partake in these activities with Jr. so it made him feel closer to his

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father when they were able to hang out.

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At the age of 12, Gerard stated that he, quote, discovered women's panties for the first time

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and he would begin to masturbate while wearing them himself.

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At 12, by the way.

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I don't know if you heard me say that.

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I said thanks.

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Yeah, I did.

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I think I'm listening to you.

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Thanks, I'm listening.

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On this age as well is when Gerard first began experimenting with masochistic bondage stating,

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quote, I'd tie myself up to a tree, struggle to get free and I'd get excited sexually

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and do something to hurt myself.

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End quote.

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Whoa.

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Remember he's 12.

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That's heavy.

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I know I said that like three times but just let everyone know.

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How do you, how do you, I'm sorry but like at 12, how do you come up with stuff like that?

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Well you have to, I have seen it.

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I have seen it somewhere, right?

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Yeah.

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As it usually goes with these cases, what Gerard was partaking in would not continue

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to satisfy him and he would begin to escalate his fantasies stating, quote, I would fantasize

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about hurting other people, women in particular, end quote.

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You think he had like a hatred for women because of his sister?

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I think he was extremely jealous of his sister, yeah.

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So it's more like a, yeah, it's not that he's maybe necessarily attracted to women

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as much as he hates women.

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I don't think it's like a mommy complex either.

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I think it's like, I think it's a jealousy thing at the end of the day.

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And he said that he like wanted to be a girl because he thought that's what would make

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his dad like pay more attention to him.

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I don't think he actually really wanted to be a female.

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It's interesting.

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I know.

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So he would also admit about this time that he had an extreme obsession of death to the

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point where it was all he could think about.

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He would say about this preoccupation that it got to the point that he quote, didn't

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know what was fact and what was fantasy, end quote.

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So it's like ingrained somewhere.

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It's ingratiated into his thoughts and his memory.

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Yeah.

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And just that's something that is just a part of him now.

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Exactly.

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And it reminds me of the mental breakdown that we did.

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It would have come out the day before this episode about how your brain can like really

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trick you into believing.

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Yeah.

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Like anything.

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Placebos or yeah.

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Yeah.

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So now we're back in 1960 when the family first moved to Fort Lauderdale and they would

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quickly join the local yacht clubs and country clubs around town.

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Okay.

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And they were well off.

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They were.

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And I think that they also really liked the idea of people knowing that they were well

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off.

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I see.

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Yeah.

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The same year that they moved when Gerard was just 14, he would meet a young girl by

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the name of Cindy and the two would quickly begin dating.

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I was gonna say Cindy Lou who?

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And he was 14.

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So they couldn't.

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I mean, because it could have come here.

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They need to get a parent's permission and I'm pretty sure.

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Right.

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They would continuously date over the next three years, but their relationship was hardly

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passionate as they came to a specific agreement.

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Well, Gerard would say that it was an agreement.

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Not sure about Cindy.

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Okay.

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In this relationship, when the two would engage in sexual activity, every single time Cindy

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would perform in scripted scenarios in which she would demand that Gerard quote, rape her.

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End quote.

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It's like a rape fantasy.

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Yeah.

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But I'm pretty sure it was all him and she's like, yeah, I'll do this.

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Like if you want.

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If that's what gets you off, I guess.

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Yeah.

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Now Gerard would attend St. Thomas Aquinas High School of Roman Catholic Co-educational

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College Prep School where he would recall quote, not being a part of any clique, end

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quote, and he would prefer to pursue his interests alone, defining himself as a loner of sorts.

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Okay.

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I'm a loner, Jody.

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I'm a rebel.

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No, no, Jody.

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It reminds me of Randy Starr or Ellie Roger, you know.

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His family and peers would describe Gerard during this time as a quote outdoorsman, end

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quote, who was wanting to become a forest ranger in the future.

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That also sounds like Randy Starr.

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This just sounds like Randy Starr.

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But it's like, he's an outdoorsman.

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What is he doing?

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He's, yeah, he's out there fucking with animals.

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Yeah.

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Is he actually like into hunting for like sport or like from eating?

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Or is he like putting dogs heads on spikes?

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Yeah.

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As a quote unquote prank, a neighborhood prank.

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I'm just pranking him.

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It's an innocent neighborhood prank.

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With the seemingly innocent comments made by Gerard's peers, others in school would also

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describe him as quote weird and out of it, end quote, even stating that he would quote

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practically stand on his head to see up a girl's skirt.

325
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What?

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Yeah.

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I'm sorry I interrupted your end quote, but wow, that's extreme.

328
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That's so gross.

329
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It's like, don't be that obvious.

330
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Yeah.

331
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Like what are you doing?

332
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Don't be that obvious.

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Put mirrors on your shoes.

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You're in a Roman Catholic school.

335
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Like what?

336
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No, mirrors on your shoes.

337
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You should give me people ideas over here.

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I'm sorry, don't do that.

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That's gross.

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That's gross.

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Gerard would also be noted as frequently upsetting the nuns by questioning the religious practices

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and even once wrote an essay that scientifically challenged the virgin birth of Christ.

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He also looked up their skirts.

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Seriously.

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Now being a peeping Tom was not helping Gerard's image at school and although he was seeing

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Cindy, other girls remember feeling very negatively about him.

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A former classmate of Gerard's by the name of Barbara Kralik stated about Gerard quote,

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I can't remember him being friends with any of the guys.

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He was always on the outside looking in.

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As a matter of fact, the only thing I really remember is that I always had to tuck my skirt

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under my legs.

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End quote.

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That is so uncomfortable.

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She's just saying that he was seeing on his head.

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I know I was cracking jokes, but in all seriousness, I cannot imagine walking around like a school

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campus and feeling that uncomfortable.

357
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Even like you have to like the skirt is the uniform.

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You have to wear that.

359
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So there's no getting around that.

360
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And then you have to like hold it down when you walk because of some creepo.

361
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That's so gross.

362
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Seriously.

363
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Oh, it's disgusting.

364
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Now even with these fellow students having their strong opinions of Gerard, he was actually

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considered to be a very promising student by his teachers.

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A look into a yearbook from St. Thomas would show that Gerard was on the varsity football

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team during his sophomore and junior years, although no one remembers him joining the

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team or playing at all.

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So I don't know how he got that to happen.

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He played dress up and ran into the photo.

371
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Or he like bribed the journalist guy like that's a yearbook.

372
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It's like one of those days that I was on the team.

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Yeah, like one of those where he's on one knee with like his helmet, you know, in the

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field.

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One of those shots.

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One of those shots.

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And it's like a parent paid page where like they put it in there.

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Gerard, best quarterback.

379
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Yeah.

380
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I just go to fuck.

381
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I never signed play once.

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So with Cindy, is it just that she likes that he's weird?

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Or is it?

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I actually don't know.

385
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She kind of, I don't know.

386
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I didn't know.

387
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I didn't hear anything with Cindy.

388
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I don't know Cindy.

389
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Yeah.

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My opinion, I think that she just kind of went along with it.

391
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Maybe she was into the sex.

392
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I don't know.

393
00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:23,440
Yeah.

394
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Or maybe she just wanted a high school boyfriend.

395
00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,080
Yeah, exactly.

396
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You know?

397
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And maybe she felt bad for him because he was weird.

398
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There you go, clearly.

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00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,360
So speaking of sports, Gerard was also known to have been really good at golf, although

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he would never pursue this.

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Although he also was in the yearbook.

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Pepper in there.

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He also did tennis and he did bowling and he did whatever.

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In the spring of 1964, during his senior year, Gerard would meet a 17 year old girl by the

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name of Sandy Stewart at a school dance.

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Cindy had actually broken things off with Gerard earlier this year.

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So they were already broken up.

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Good job, Cindy.

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Sandy would later refer to Gerard as a quote dazzling young stranger.

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Oh, quote.

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Who swept her off her feet and became her first love with his impressive relationship

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with her parents.

413
00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:09,920
Okay.

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So he's a promising young man.

415
00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:13,800
He's a promising young suitor.

416
00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:14,800
Yes, suitor.

417
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That's my daughter.

418
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Finally chosen a suitor.

419
00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:17,800
Is that Aladdin?

420
00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:18,800
Okay.

421
00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:19,800
I was thinking Malrat.

422
00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:20,800
I love that movie.

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Sandy also stated that Gerard had extremely good manners and would go out of his way to

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make their time together special.

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He was really romantic.

426
00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:34,200
Aw.

427
00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:35,200
Right?

428
00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,200
It seems like a catch.

429
00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:37,200
Yeah.

430
00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,200
Well, he's going to butter her up and her parents.

431
00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,200
Yeah.

432
00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:40,200
Real quick.

433
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Gerard had taken Sandy on an excursion to the Everglades at one point and actually tried

434
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to encourage her to engage in hunting with him.

435
00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:46,640
Oh.

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Sandy remembered that Gerard seemed amused when she could not bring herself to kill an

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animal for sport but did not really think anything else of it.

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She's like, okay, that's kind of weird.

439
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He thought it was funny that she didn't.

440
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That she didn't want to do it.

441
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I feel like, I don't know, I guess you never felt that way hunting with Casey though.

442
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We were like, I'm not going to do this.

443
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I mean.

444
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You have to get over a hump.

445
00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:06,880
No, definitely.

446
00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,720
But there's been, I mean, Billy, not Billy, it's dozens of times that I've gone with

447
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Casey on a hunt and I haven't hunted.

448
00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:13,200
Oh, really?

449
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I just sat there.

450
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I just watched.

451
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I just sat there.

452
00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,200
Yeah.

453
00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,200
I definitely couldn't do that.

454
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Like, I would cry.

455
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I would be a beetle a few weeks ago and I bawled my eyes out.

456
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It's mostly like with us.

457
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It's not that I don't want to hunt or I'm like not willing to.

458
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I just, I'm not as experienced as everyone else.

459
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So I don't want to like slow them down or like ruin an opportunity for them.

460
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So I just kind of like hang out.

461
00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,320
Yeah.

462
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If it's just me and Casey, like I'll hunt every time.

463
00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:37,320
Yeah.

464
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No, I just couldn't do that.

465
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But I don't, I mean, I definitely, other than stepping on the beetle because Cliff was

466
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really nice about it.

467
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But I have been in situations where, you know, I'm with like a dude I'm dating or something

468
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and I'm like, oh my God, it's so sad.

469
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And they're like, ha, ha, ha.

470
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That's so funny.

471
00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,360
Like, oh no, that's not that you're not that it's cute that I'm crying.

472
00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:57,600
It's just cute that I'm crying.

473
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Not that it's like, ha, ha, you have empathy towards creatures.

474
00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,800
I don't know.

475
00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,360
Well, maybe there's a reason I'm not with those guys anymore.

476
00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:09,360
That's very true.

477
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And also like, if anyone knows me personally, like, you know, I have like the most empathy

478
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for living creatures.

479
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I'm an animal lover through and through and I get so sad when I see like animals being

480
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treated a certain way.

481
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However, like I understand, I have a different understanding of like hunting than like someone

482
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else might, you know.

483
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Anyways.

484
00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,040
Anyways.

485
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,520
But that's a little bit about us.

486
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:36,040
So Sandy would refer to Gerard as a quote, sensitive and enthusiastic lover and quote,

487
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who was eager to please enthusiastic.

488
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,400
He's an enthusiastic lover.

489
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:42,400
Oh yeah.

490
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:43,400
I know he's always eager to please.

491
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He's a 17 year old guy.

492
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After graduating Gerard would travel with Sandy's family and would become very much

493
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a member of her family in their eyes.

494
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However, it was all a cover up for his true internal thoughts that he had been battling.

495
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Struggling with his feelings, Gerard would consider joining the priesthood despite his

496
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relationship with Sandy.

497
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,120
He would apply to St. John's Seminary but was quickly rejected.

498
00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:10,720
He would later, he's got a reputation for looking up skirts.

499
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:11,720
Yeah, exactly.

500
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:16,160
He would later comment on this rejection stating quote, they said I didn't have enough faith.

501
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,160
I didn't think it was fair end quote.

502
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,640
Like well what have you done to really prove yourself?

503
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:21,640
Yeah.

504
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:22,640
Like you went to Roman Catholic high school.

505
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:23,640
Yeah.

506
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,360
Because you were probably like forced to go by your parents.

507
00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:29,320
What else have you done to like devote yourself to this religion?

508
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,320
Yeah.

509
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:31,320
You know?

510
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:32,320
Not looking up skirts.

511
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,320
Yeah.

512
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,800
Or engaging in premarital sex.

513
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:35,800
A bunch.

514
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:36,800
A bunch.

515
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:37,800
A lot of stuff.

516
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:38,800
You know?

517
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,800
So after the rejection and many years of attending Mass daily, Gerard came to the conclusion

518
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:48,520
that he had been quote, under a certain Catholic mind control thing, end quote, and decided

519
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,800
that he was going to distance himself from the church.

520
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,800
So pendulum's going to swing the other way completely.

521
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:53,800
Of course.

522
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:54,800
Guarantee it.

523
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,800
Because he's not being accepted because he's trying to go all out without doing any work.

524
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:58,800
Yeah.

525
00:20:58,800 --> 00:20:59,800
So now he's like fuck it.

526
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:00,800
Like I'm not doing it at all.

527
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:01,800
Yeah.

528
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,440
I'm not going to be accepted by the church so I won't accept the church.

529
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:05,440
Exactly.

530
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,880
After the death of Gerard, in the year of 1964, Gerard would enroll in Brownward Community

531
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:14,080
College, where he began as a social studies major, but quickly changed his focus to teaching.

532
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,440
Gerard would become a fishing guide in the Everglades for a short stint around this time

533
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,240
as well, and he would continue indulging in his preferred activities such as hunting

534
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,080
and fishing on the side in his freedom.

535
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,080
I'm never going to let it go.

536
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:30,400
A neighbor of Gerard's named Gary Hainline, I think it's Hainline, was one of many people

537
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,760
that noticed that Gerard was not hunting the usual game you would see someone pursue.

538
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,760
Like deer or what else would you do?

539
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,920
Gary stated, yeah, deer, birds.

540
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,520
In Florida, I'm not really sure, alligators maybe.

541
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:43,520
Hogs.

542
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,080
Gary stated that Gerard, quote, enjoyed shooting things you can't eat.

543
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,000
Songbirds, land crabs, that sort of thing, end quote.

544
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,360
Oh, it's not a hunting thing.

545
00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:56,360
It's under the guise of hunting.

546
00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:57,360
Absolutely it is.

547
00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:58,360
He's not hunting for sport.

548
00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:00,040
He's not hunting for food.

549
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,160
He's hunting because it gives him permission to shoot an innocent animal.

550
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,160
And kill it.

551
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,760
Ugh, I'm so gross.

552
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,440
Gerard was known to have played tennis occasionally with Gary's sister, Lee, and some sources

553
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,200
suggested that the two may have been a casual couple at one point, although this was never

554
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,760
confirmed and he was also still seeing Sandy at this point, so not sure.

555
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,520
Just wanted to put that in there.

556
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,240
However, Gerard would later admit around this time that his relationship with Sandy was

557
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,880
beginning to feel more like therapy than romance.

558
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,960
I'm sure she wanted to talk about her feelings, you know, like people do in a relationship.

559
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,320
Like, so how'd your day go?

560
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:35,320
God, woman, get off my car.

561
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,840
God, what do I have to tell you?

562
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,000
This being the case and with Gerard spending more time with Lee, Gerard was known to have

563
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,360
been inappropriate towards her on several occasions.

564
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:47,720
This again, the neighbor's sister.

565
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,800
It is said that Gerard would creep around her house at night and masturbate while she

566
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:52,800
undressed.

567
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,240
Oh, that's only just a little creepy.

568
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,240
Just a tad.

569
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,240
Just a tad.

570
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,240
It was just a little unusual.

571
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,320
Yeah, it was just a little weird.

572
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,840
I wasn't sexually assaulting her.

573
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,880
I was just masturbating while I was watching her without her knowledge.

574
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:04,880
So fucking gross.

575
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:05,880
No.

576
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,080
I watched a video the other day of this couple having sex on a Ferris wheel and they got

577
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:14,680
arrested for like an decent exposure because there were minors that saw it happen.

578
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,360
There was like, I think two 18-year-olds, a 17-year-old, a 16-year-old or something

579
00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:20,760
I thought, or a 15-year-old that I don't remember.

580
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:25,200
But like, the officer was asking them, what did you see?

581
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,920
Did it, because they are saying that she just bent over to pick up a pack of cigarettes

582
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,440
and he jokingly came up behind her and like, hummed her twice, you know?

583
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,840
And this is like, in another thing or whatever, like a little, what is it called?

584
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,560
Just the pods, you know, on a Ferris wheel.

585
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,840
And when the girls went to go look or whatever when they were like, side by side or underneath

586
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,800
them or whatever it was, the officer asked, what did you see?

587
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,360
Did you see like, his genitals or whatever?

588
00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:55,320
And she said, I saw it going in and out.

589
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,320
Oh.

590
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,320
It's disgusting.

591
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,320
Disgusting.

592
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,200
I mean, I don't really think I really thought that, but apparently one of them had a traumatic

593
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,200
past.

594
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,960
So it was traumatizing, you know?

595
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,640
There's no, and they just thought that they were just having a fun all time and like,

596
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,360
do they not fucking think?

597
00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:11,360
I guess not.

598
00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:15,280
Anyway, so in this case with the dude masturbating by the window, it's like, he might not think

599
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:21,160
that he's doing anything technically inappropriate, but that's traumatizing.

600
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,640
Yeah, it's a huge evasion of privacy.

601
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:24,640
Absolutely.

602
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,640
It's disgusting.

603
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:26,640
Ugh.

604
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,320
I mean, it's not only Lee that he was doing this and crossing the line with, and whenever

605
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,880
he was questioned about these actions later, Gerard would refer to these women as taunting

606
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,440
him and calling them quote, sluts and whores, end quote.

607
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,440
Do you think it's terrible?

608
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,760
Because they're changing in the privacy of their bedroom.

609
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:44,760
Literally.

610
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:45,760
That's awful.

611
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,840
Because they are changing in the privacy of their bedroom.

612
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,320
I bet he thinks that ankles are like a huge thing too.

613
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,600
It's a good turn on.

614
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,320
Probably a foot person.

615
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:58,240
So Gerard would begin to express his true feelings about women to Sandy, frequently crying out

616
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,320
in anger about his urges to kill women that aroused him.

617
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,800
So he's like upset that like women, like he's attracted to women.

618
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:06,800
He's upset that he's attracted to women.

619
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,680
Okay, that makes sense.

620
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:14,240
Sandy would also often witness violent altercations between Gerard and his father and had to hear

621
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,760
stories from Gerard about him and Cindy's role playing in their relationship.

622
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,480
Ew, okay, no, this isn't going to last long, right?

623
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,480
Please don't tell me they get married.

624
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,920
So Sandy, knowing way too much and becoming increasingly uncomfortable, decided to break

625
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:25,920
things off of Gerard.

626
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,520
Okay, good, gosh, I couldn't deal with that.

627
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,520
No way.

628
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,520
Oh my gosh.

629
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,880
So Gerard did not take this well at first, obviously, and he would continuously call

630
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,000
her and even like show up unannounced, showing like stalking behaviors.

631
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,600
But he would eventually give up and leave Sandy alone for good and nothing bad happened.

632
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,440
He also made the right decision, Sandy, good for you.

633
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,680
Especially at a young age that might not be easy to do.

634
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,680
Absolutely.

635
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,680
Now, during his first year enrolled in college, Gerard would open up to his creative writing

636
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,600
professor, Dr. Neil Crispo, stating that he wanted to join the army because he, quote,

637
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:58,960
would like to kill things.

638
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,560
I even like to shoot at cows now, end quote.

639
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,560
At cows?

640
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,560
Yeah.

641
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,480
I gotta go, Gloria, we got cows.

642
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,040
Remember we were talking about that recently?

643
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,240
It's like some people join the military just because they will give you a gun and let you

644
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,240
shoot it.

645
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,240
Yeah.

646
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,240
And you don't have to do like anything else.

647
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,680
Oh, that's not a fair statement.

648
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,080
But people do that for the mindset of like, I want to shoot a gun.

649
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,080
But a cow?

650
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,080
I know it's awful.

651
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,080
What the fuck is a cow doing?

652
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,080
Nothing.

653
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,080
Just fucking grazing.

654
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,080
Just sitting there.

655
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,080
Yeah.

656
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,080
Mowing.

657
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,080
Mowing.

658
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,080
Mowing.

659
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,080
Probably drinking water.

660
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,080
Probably eating some grass.

661
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,080
Poor little cow.

662
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,080
I know.

663
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,440
Gerard would later admit, however, that he was not only killing livestock, but he was

664
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,480
also engaging in bestiality after they died.

665
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,480
No.

666
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,480
And I didn't really want to put this in here, but I just will, that it was essentially like

667
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,480
he was like decapitating the animals and then like using-

668
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,480
No, no, no, no.

669
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,480
Okay, that's enough.

670
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,480
That's enough.

671
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:56,480
Thanks.

672
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:57,480
Thank you.

673
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,480
You're welcome.

674
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:59,480
I think we all know what that means.

675
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,480
Reason being, is that he's a sick fuck.

676
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,480
Yeah.

677
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,480
That's like the point of saying all that.

678
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,680
I'm sure if this is the Patreon exclusive episode, there would probably be a little bit more

679
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:09,680
detail.

680
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,880
I appreciate the not detail in this moment.

681
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,720
Not ready for a Patreon again yet.

682
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,280
So he said this to his fucking one of his college professors.

683
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,280
What?

684
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,880
By the way, yeah, he opened up to his professor.

685
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:21,880
That's what I was telling him.

686
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,080
He was like, I want to join the military because I'm shooting at cows and by the way, having

687
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,160
sex with their carcasses.

688
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,160
Their heads.

689
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,160
Yeah.

690
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:35,480
So, regardless of this conversation, Gerardo was actually not reported by the professor.

691
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,520
It was like, this guy's funny.

692
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:39,880
He should be a creative writer.

693
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,880
He should be a creative writer.

694
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,880
Have you been to the psychology department?

695
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:45,880
Seriously.

696
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,880
So, Gerardo was actually able to return to campus in August of 1965.

697
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:50,960
I can't even believe that.

698
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:57,880
Where he would complete one more semester before leaving to travel with quote, sing out 66.

699
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:58,880
Sing out?

700
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,880
This is the musical group of the moral re-ram-ment movement.

701
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:04,880
Sorry.

702
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,880
And I'm going to explain what that is because I had to look it up.

703
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,480
So this movement was initiated by Frank Buchman, an American Lutheran who founded the first

704
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,320
century Christian fellowship in 1921, which would become to be known as the Oxford group.

705
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,680
I'm not sure if you've heard of the Oxford group.

706
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,800
This would become transformed under his leadership to the moral re-ram-ment, which strived to

707
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:29,160
maintain that the practice of high morality in public and private life is the key to world

708
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,160
betterment.

709
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,120
That was like the theme of what they were trying to get across.

710
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:37,960
Anyway, they had a singing troupe which Gerard decided to join in and travel with.

711
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,440
So they were traveling across America trying to present their ideas to new people.

712
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,440
Yeah.

713
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,280
So again, he's trying to say that he still believes in this kind of thought.

714
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,280
Right?

715
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,600
Well, this is not so much religious, but more of like a movement, like a political movement.

716
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,600
Okay.

717
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,480
But now he's like apparently he can sing.

718
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,600
Like it's like he's just trying anything to like fit.

719
00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,600
Oh, I can sing now.

720
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,600
Yeah.

721
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,600
I used to be a football player, but now I can sing.

722
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,600
Yeah.

723
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:08,960
So, I'm going to be a future movie star, Glenn Close.

724
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:14,200
Although Gerard was much more interested in Martha or Marty, Louis Fogg, a fellow student,

725
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,200
two years his junior.

726
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,760
I like it that you use that phrase.

727
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,760
Yeah, two years his junior.

728
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,000
But yeah, I thought that was interesting.

729
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,000
Glenn Close, like what the fuck?

730
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,000
Yeah.

731
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,000
Hi.

732
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,000
She's a friend.

733
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,000
She's in a hook.

734
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,000
She's in the, dude, that's in the boo box.

735
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,000
Yeah.

736
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,000
She's in a lot of stuff.

737
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000
I was looking her up because I was like, low key thought she was a guy when I read the

738
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:35,040
name that was like, wait, she's really blue eyes.

739
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,760
The two would quickly begin dating.

740
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,520
So this is Marty and Gerard, Martha, Marty.

741
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,800
Oh, that's a great name for a girl.

742
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,800
Yeah.

743
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:44,800
It's with an I to M-A-R-T-I.

744
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,240
So they would quickly begin dating over the summer and Gerard was even planning on joining

745
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,120
the group's European tour so that he could spend more time with her.

746
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,200
Although he would contract the measles and he would eventually lose touch with Martha

747
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,200
during this time.

748
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,200
Huh.

749
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,200
Marty, excuse me.

750
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,200
She kept traveling and he was sick.

751
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,320
After he was back in good health, Gerard would return to college in September of 1966.

752
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,680
And the following year in 1967, he would achieve his associate's degree in business admin and

753
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:18,040
would apply and enroll in Florida Atlantic University in January of 1968 where he would

754
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,440
seek his B.A. in education.

755
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,560
So F.A.U. is the college.

756
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:28,160
Around this time, young men were being drafted to assist in the Vietnam War and Gerard had

757
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,320
been avoiding being called due to the fact that he was in college full time with good

758
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,320
grades.

759
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,680
However, his change of program and schools proved to be a lot harder than he originally

760
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,320
thought and his grades began to slip.

761
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,320
Uh-oh.

762
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,880
Gerard would be called to report for his army physical in April of 1968, but he would not

763
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:53,320
plan to attend the physical and instead would write up a suicide note, leave it in his dorm,

764
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,320
and run away.

765
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,320
What?

766
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,240
So he's like, if they think I'm dead, then they're not gonna draft me.

767
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,600
But like, why wouldn't he want to go?

768
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,040
He loves guns and he loves killing things.

769
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,120
So I guess it was like, maybe not his style.

770
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,720
Like the Vietnam War was not what he was trying to get into.

771
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:08,720
Yeah.

772
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,720
It was like the regular like reserves.

773
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:10,720
Yeah.

774
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,720
I don't know.

775
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,840
But it was interesting that he was like, I want to join the military because I want

776
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:14,840
a gun.

777
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,600
And then when the opportunity literally presented itself, he was like, well, I don't want to

778
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,080
die is probably what he thought.

779
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,080
Exactly.

780
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,080
I don't want to die.

781
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,600
And I'm sure he's hearing all this stuff around everywhere about the ongoing war.

782
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:25,600
It's scary.

783
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,240
I feel like if you really wanted to go to school that I feel like that would just from

784
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,120
January to April, that's not a long time.

785
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,480
It's not like two semesters worth.

786
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,280
I mean, he was probably just not even attending class.

787
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,280
Probably not.

788
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,160
And again, he had gotten his associates in business admin and now he's pursuing education.

789
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,160
It's much different courses.

790
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,160
Yeah.

791
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,000
So he's probably overwhelmed maybe in over his head.

792
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,000
Yeah.

793
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,520
I just feel like that would be a really good motivator to not be drafted.

794
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,520
Yeah.

795
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:51,920
It certainly would for me.

796
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:52,920
Yeah, for sure.

797
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,280
And Gerard's roommate at the time by the name of Jerry Webster found the note and went to

798
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,040
track Gerard down.

799
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,440
He would find Gerard at their favorite shooting range and asked him what was going on.

800
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,480
He's like, Hey, by the way, you are the suicide note and you're here.

801
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,480
Yeah.

802
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,480
So what's going on?

803
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,480
What's up?

804
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,200
Gerard explained to his roommate and friend, same person, but roommate and friend.

805
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,200
Jerry and Jerry.

806
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,200
Yeah.

807
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,360
Like from the movie Soul.

808
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,840
That quote, he did it to help him get the deferment end quote.

809
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:24,560
Dr. Raymond Killinger would refer Gerard for emergency psychiatric testing on May 17th,

810
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:25,560
1968.

811
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:26,560
Yeah.

812
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,640
The test would reveal that while Gerard had no true suicidal urges, his quote, psychological

813
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,400
disorganization is severe and his frustration level low end quote.

814
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,920
Oh, that's kind of heby a little bit.

815
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:45,040
Lacking empathy, frustration level low and psychological disorganization is severe.

816
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,040
Severe.

817
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,040
He can't think clearly.

818
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,040
Clearly.

819
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,040
In no situation.

820
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,040
Yeah.

821
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,240
In an organized fashion.

822
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:59,800
But the fact that he is not frustrated by that, that's no empathy.

823
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:05,520
That's part of that personality kind of schizo typo.

824
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:06,520
What were you talking about?

825
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:12,040
The like psychopathy versus or psychopathy versus you know, sociopathy.

826
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,960
And like at this point in my personal opinion, I'm not a professional, my personal opinion,

827
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,000
this is where they should have said, you okay, we need to take steps to treat this before

828
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,440
it gets out of hand.

829
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,960
Because we know how to treat that.

830
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,320
Well, maybe they didn't in the sixties, but we know what we can do moving forward now

831
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,760
that we have a clear diagnosis.

832
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,560
And if we have this left untreated, we don't want something negative to happen.

833
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:37,560
Right.

834
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,080
Like we always say like not everyone with diagnoses like this are going to go on to do

835
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,800
something like this.

836
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,280
But getting treatment is like the best option because things like this don't just go away

837
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,280
on their own.

838
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,760
Yeah, I feel like treatment was a little rough back then.

839
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,440
I'm pretty sure these two girls, you know, people with mental disorders like LSD and

840
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,440
shit.

841
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,440
Shock treatment or something.

842
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,440
Yeah.

843
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,440
Well, maybe not shock treatment, but yeah.

844
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,640
So we know that Gerard had been experimenting with wearing women's underwear in the past

845
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,040
when he was in his preteen years.

846
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,640
And actually it seems like he was also doing it up to this point as well.

847
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,920
He would later claim that this was also another tactic to keep him from being drafted was

848
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,960
the wearing women's clothing.

849
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,560
So he was trying to make other people feel uncomfortable.

850
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:24,520
I think he was trying to not be allowed into the army because it was like really don't

851
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,960
ask, don't tell maybe in the back then.

852
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,800
I think he was like, oh, if I'm like kind of outlandish with like my views or like my

853
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,800
dress.

854
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,640
Yeah, my identity or my sexuality or orientation.

855
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:40,360
Gerard would, however, receive a quote, one why deferment for quote, mental, moral or

856
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,360
physical reasons.

857
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,360
Okay.

858
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,040
So he got a deferment and it was meant for mental reasons essentially.

859
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,840
But it was called one why, which I've never heard of that.

860
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,200
One why.

861
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,200
Maybe one year.

862
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,200
I don't know.

863
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,200
Yeah, right.

864
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,200
Right.

865
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,680
Yeah, let us know.

866
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,120
Although Gerard claims that he was quote, very open about it and quote, referring to his

867
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,840
wearing women's clothing.

868
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,960
Nobody at FAU were called ever being the wiser, even his roommate.

869
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,480
They were like, never saw that.

870
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,480
Never saw that.

871
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,480
Never even had anything.

872
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,480
Don't know where that came from.

873
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,480
Yeah.

874
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,240
The claim that Gerard tried to use this to avoid war only came way later when police

875
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:18,680
searched his mother's home and found photos of Gerard dressed in lingerie.

876
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,200
He was like, oh, those are from the war.

877
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,200
Exactly.

878
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,760
He's like, oh, I only did that because of this and that and the other.

879
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,880
Meanwhile, while all of these things are going on with Gerard, his parents' 22 year long

880
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,800
marriage was crumbling.

881
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:30,800
You don't say.

882
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:31,800
Yeah, shocker.

883
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,560
Gerard's senior had been heavily drinking and seeing multiple other women around this

884
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,600
time or for a while.

885
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,360
And he would ultimately lose his job in May of 1968 and things would only get worse from

886
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,920
there.

887
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,600
Doris would file for divorce on July 2, 1968, and Gerard's senior would move out.

888
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,160
After hearing about this, Gerard Jr. would quit his construction job and leave for a

889
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,680
hunting trip to Michigan.

890
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,520
So he's like, on the drop of a hat, something's going wrong in my family.

891
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:00,880
My parents are getting divorced.

892
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:01,880
I'm quitting my job.

893
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:02,880
I'm going hunting.

894
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:03,880
He wants to blow off steam.

895
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:04,880
Yeah.

896
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:05,880
That's what he does.

897
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:06,880
Yeah.

898
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,400
Which is interesting that his frustration is typically low.

899
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,400
Yeah, exactly.

900
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,720
But is it because he's engaging in activities like this that kind of create that?

901
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:14,720
He has an outlet.

902
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:15,720
Yeah.

903
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:16,720
Yeah.

904
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:19,200
Now, once his hunting trip was over, Gerard would return to Florida.

905
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,880
But this time, he was not alone.

906
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:30,080
Gerard and his now-fiancé, Marty, would arrive in Florida and announce their surprise engagement.

907
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,440
Marty, come on.

908
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,240
She had gotten back at some point during this time.

909
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:40,560
They reconnected and they got engaged within a few weeks.

910
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:46,040
The two would quickly get married in December of the same year, 1968.

911
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:51,200
So they announced their surprise engagement around the beginning of August, like late

912
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,280
July, they're married in December.

913
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,440
They turn around in a circle.

914
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,400
They're like, surprise we're engaged.

915
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:56,400
Surprise we're married.

916
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,400
Surprise we're a baby.

917
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,400
Exactly.

918
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,200
Gerard and Marty would move in with Gerard's now single mother and would both return to

919
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,080
FAU to study in January of 1969.

920
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,880
Being closer to the end of his degree, Gerard would be assigned as a student teacher at

921
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,640
Plantation High School on February 27th.

922
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:20,240
But he would quickly be removed from the school after persistent efforts to, quote,

923
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:24,400
impose his moral and political views on the students, end quote.

924
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,360
This place is called Plantation High School.

925
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,440
Literally doesn't have to say that.

926
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:34,720
And they kicked him out because he's trying to impose his moral viewpoints and political

927
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:37,320
standpoints on the children.

928
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,320
Are you kidding me?

929
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,320
Tell me it's not called that anymore.

930
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,320
Did you Google it?

931
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,320
I didn't.

932
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,320
Do you want to look it up?

933
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,320
Yeah.

934
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,320
Let's pause.

935
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,520
LOL, it's called Plantation High School because it's in Plantation, Florida.

936
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:48,520
LOL.

937
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,320
I was like, damn, I'm a dick.

938
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:55,320
I mean, I understand that you can't rename the entire city, but you could probably rename

939
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,320
it Rainy in the School.

940
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,320
You could.

941
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,080
But also, this is a perfect example of what we're talking about in the most recent mental

942
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,280
breakdown about if you don't know something, look it up.

943
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,800
If you're wrong, admit that you were wrong and accept the truth and do better.

944
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:08,800
Yeah, exactly.

945
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:09,800
Just do better from here on out.

946
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:10,800
Perfect example.

947
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,320
Now, I mean, clearly they know that the school is called Plantation, so they know they better

948
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,520
do better.

949
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:23,040
So the principal of this school would ask Gerard to leave in just a few weeks in, citing

950
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,400
quote, totally inappropriate behavior, end quote.

951
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,720
I don't understand why he would pursue education other than to be around girls.

952
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:31,720
No, absolutely.

953
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:36,680
And he is trying to, again, impose his moral political views on the students.

954
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,160
He just wants that sense of power.

955
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,200
He doesn't really want to educate people on the school system and the curriculum.

956
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,400
He wants to educate people on what he thinks is right.

957
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:47,640
Right.

958
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,920
So being kicked out of his student teaching program left Gerard without a job for several

959
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,280
months, although he was applying and having no luck, and he would spend a lot of his downtime

960
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,240
in the Everglades or just at home.

961
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:02,040
Having all of the free time in the world to overthink, Gerard would quickly spiral with

962
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,760
thoughts of his failure as a priest and now a teacher.

963
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,880
He would later admit that during this time, he frequently found himself, quote, convinced

964
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,120
that indecent women and prostitutes should be destroyed for the welfare of society,

965
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,840
end quote.

966
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,840
What a thought.

967
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,560
For the welfare of society.

968
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,120
Again, your brain can make you believe fucking anything.

969
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,320
No empathy for the people.

970
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,320
No, not at all.

971
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,480
That he's presuming, first of all.

972
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,480
He's making assumptions.

973
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:28,480
Yeah.

974
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:33,920
And second of all, even if he is talking about people in sex work, like, you don't have a

975
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:34,920
job, bro.

976
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:35,920
Yeah, literally.

977
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:36,920
You're hanging out in the Everglades.

978
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,800
Why don't you get off your ass and do something?

979
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,600
He's putting like every single woman in a box and saying like, you guys are all hoarsed

980
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:44,600
or whatever.

981
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:45,600
Like he was saying.

982
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,600
You're all hoarsed.

983
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:47,600
Hoarsed.

984
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,080
Yeah, it's definitely like an Elliot Roger.

985
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,080
Yeah, for sure.

986
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,880
He only saw women as a thing, not people.

987
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,920
Gerard's parents would finalize their divorce in September of 1969.

988
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:04,160
And at the same time, Gerard would return to Florida once again to start the new semester.

989
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:09,360
Three days after Gerard began school on September 8th, news was circling about a missing woman

990
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,480
that Gerard knew from his past.

991
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,280
Lee Hainline, Gerard's old neighbor's little sister, had married a man by the name of Charles

992
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,960
Bonadise on August 21st, 1969.

993
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,560
Their relationship was known as being tumultuous from the beginning with frequent fights between

994
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,320
the two.

995
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,360
When police began to look into Lee's life, they found out that Gerard had offered her

996
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,840
$20,000 at one point in exchange for her joining the CIA.

997
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:35,840
What?

998
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,640
He was like, I'm going to give you this money so that you join the CIA?

999
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,280
Yeah, he's like, join the CIA.

1000
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,600
Like I guess he was like, do me a favor.

1001
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:43,600
Here's the all me.

1002
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,080
I'll pay you and I'll get you a good job or something.

1003
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,080
I don't know.

1004
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,080
Whoa.

1005
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,080
It's very strange.

1006
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,080
That is strange.

1007
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,040
I think Charles, hearing this, laughed it off and told her to just forget about it.

1008
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,720
On September 8th, again, three days after Gerard returned to school, Charles came home

1009
00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:01,520
to find a note from Lee stating that she had gone to Miami.

1010
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:06,080
Lee would never return and her car would later be found in a Fort Lauderdale parking lot.

1011
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,080
What?

1012
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,160
That is very strange.

1013
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,160
Yes.

1014
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,920
Trying all options, Gary would phone Gerard and ask if he knew anything about Lee leaving

1015
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:14,920
to Miami.

1016
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,400
Gary is the brother, right?

1017
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,400
Gary is the brother.

1018
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,280
Gerard told Gary that Lee had called him and told him that she was leaving Charles and

1019
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:26,000
asked Gerard for a ride to the airport where she was planning on catching a flight to Cincinnati.

1020
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,000
Okay.

1021
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,000
So, okay.

1022
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:34,840
Like why are you calling him and asking him for it?

1023
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:35,840
Go ahead.

1024
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:36,840
Sorry.

1025
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,320
She said, she left a note saying she was going to Miami but then said she needed a flight

1026
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,520
to Cincinnati.

1027
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,520
She left a note for her husband saying she was going to Miami.

1028
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,880
Now Gerard is saying that she called Gerard and saying can I meet you in Miami and can

1029
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,080
you take me to the airport because I'm going to Cincinnati.

1030
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,320
Yeah, exactly.

1031
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,200
But at the same time, you did say that her and her husband had kind of a bad relationship,

1032
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,200
right?

1033
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,200
Yes.

1034
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,200
Okay.

1035
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,760
Gerard would agree, this is his words, that he would say, oh I agreed to take her to

1036
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,280
the airport but Lee never called me back to give me the details of what time.

1037
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,920
So I never saw her.

1038
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,240
It would make more sense had he dropped her off.

1039
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:08,240
Yeah, exactly.

1040
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:09,240
Or at least in the area.

1041
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:10,480
He's like, I dropped her off at the airport.

1042
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,720
That would be like a good alibi.

1043
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:12,720
Yeah.

1044
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:14,960
I don't think, I don't know if they had security cameras then.

1045
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:15,960
That's true.

1046
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:16,960
I think they probably did.

1047
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,720
And so I'm thinking like, well if you say that you just dropped her off like down the

1048
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:21,720
street from the airport and then she walked.

1049
00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:22,720
That's true.

1050
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:23,720
I mean do your due diligence here, right?

1051
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:24,720
But like.

1052
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:25,720
Lee's dumb.

1053
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:28,120
And I think it would make sense for her to tell her husband that she went to Miami but

1054
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,640
then flew somewhere else so that he doesn't go looking for her in Miami.

1055
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,840
If she really wanted to leave him for good.

1056
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,320
But why would she call, I guess she'd call Gerard because he's close to Miami maybe.

1057
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,320
Yeah.

1058
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,720
But like she could call Gerard's mom.

1059
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:40,720
Yeah.

1060
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:41,720
Like she knows her, you know?

1061
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:44,680
Did Gary know that it was Gerard or he just brought it up in conversation?

1062
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,520
Well he was like, if she's in Miami she might have like reconnected with Gerard because like

1063
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,280
obviously like he knows that he's down there.

1064
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,280
Yeah.

1065
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,560
So he was just trying all lines of communication.

1066
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,920
He's like, let me just ask anybody.

1067
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:56,920
Right.

1068
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,400
And where was she living with the husband?

1069
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,400
This was in.

1070
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,400
They were in Georgia?

1071
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:05,040
No, they were in Fort Lauderdale like with like where they were, Gerard grew up and all

1072
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,040
that stuff.

1073
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,040
Oh, okay.

1074
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,960
And I think that Gary was really just trying all avenues because he was like, I don't know

1075
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,840
what the fuck else to do.

1076
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:12,840
Maybe she called Gerard.

1077
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:13,840
Right.

1078
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,040
So anyway, he called her, he called him, excuse me, Gerard would say, oh, you know, the whole

1079
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,040
thing with the airport.

1080
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,400
Well, Charles, thinking that his wife actually left him, filed for divorce in the following

1081
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,280
October 10th, 1970.

1082
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,960
You can, yeah, claims that was an abandoned man.

1083
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,080
Lee would never be heard from again and nothing else would ever come up regarding her disappearance.

1084
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,080
Is this still a cold case?

1085
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,080
Oh my God.

1086
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,080
I know.

1087
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,080
That's awful.

1088
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,160
It's awful.

1089
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,400
And we'll talk a little bit more about it later.

1090
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,840
Four months after being let go from his internship, Gerard would successfully apply for and receive

1091
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,440
a second teaching internship at Strandhand High School.

1092
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,320
He would begin teaching geography on April 2nd, 1970, and his fellow teachers would quickly

1093
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:57,480
take notice of his poor performance, stating that he was arrogant and quote, very limited

1094
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,800
and quote on the subject knowledge that he taught.

1095
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:00,800
That's that Dunn and Kruger.

1096
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:01,800
Yeah.

1097
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,480
That's him thinking like, oh, I just know everything about everything.

1098
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,120
So college is going to be a breeze.

1099
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,120
Exactly.

1100
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,880
And it's like, again, like I said, he's not interested in teaching a curriculum.

1101
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,800
He just wants to, people to listen to his point of view and agree with him.

1102
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:19,200
Just seven weeks into this internship on November 11th, 1969, Principal Richard Goodhart

1103
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,720
made the decision to remove Gerard from his position, stating quote, I told him when he

1104
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:27,240
left that he'd better not let me hear of his trying to get a job with any authority over

1105
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:30,360
people or I'd do anything I could to see that he didn't get it.

1106
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,360
Oh.

1107
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,360
He knows.

1108
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,360
Yeah.

1109
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:34,360
He can see right the fuck through him.

1110
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,360
You're a phony.

1111
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:36,360
That guy's a phony.

1112
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,480
He, Gerard would drop out of school citing marital problems as the reason.

1113
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,880
And years later, he would tell psychiatrists that he was barred from teaching quote, because

1114
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,960
they only wanted black people end quote.

1115
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,680
Oh my God.

1116
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,880
Just pulls it out of fucking nowhere.

1117
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:56,920
Again, it's, I love that now this is the second time, right?

1118
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,720
So the panty thing, not his fault, right?

1119
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:00,720
He's trying to stay out of the army.

1120
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,720
There's lots and hoors, yeah.

1121
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:07,440
You're talking about the wanking it off with the neighbor not knowing.

1122
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:08,440
Wanking it off.

1123
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,440
No.

1124
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,400
With the panty thing to not go into the army.

1125
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,400
No, yeah.

1126
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,840
And then now that like, it's everybody, it can't possibly be the fact that he's not

1127
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,440
equipped to deal with this job.

1128
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:19,440
Yeah.

1129
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,440
Never his fault.

1130
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:21,440
Everyone else around me is the asshole.

1131
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,440
Yeah.

1132
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,440
Yeah.

1133
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,440
For sure.

1134
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:25,440
It's not that I'm not smart enough is what he's trying to say.

1135
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,440
Yeah, I know, absolutely.

1136
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,440
Okay.

1137
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:28,440
Ready?

1138
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:29,440
Yes.

1139
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:35,040
On December 18th, 1969, 22 year old Carmen Marie Halleck had lunch with her sister-in-law

1140
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,640
and was discussing a date she had planned for that evening.

1141
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,560
She explained to her sister-in-law that she was meeting a teacher who would offer her a

1142
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,600
job involving, quote, some kind of undercover work for the government.

1143
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:46,600
Oh no.

1144
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:47,600
Oh no.

1145
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:48,600
Ugh.

1146
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,240
She explained that this guy told her the position included international travel and, quote, lots

1147
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:54,840
of money, end quote.

1148
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,720
You know what I'm realizing right now?

1149
00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:05,120
That's probably why Gary called his brother, Gerard, to ask about Lee is because remember

1150
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,000
he offered Lee that money to go to the CIA thing.

1151
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,360
Duh, that makes sense.

1152
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,040
So I bet the husband was like, well let me call Gary and see if his brother knows.

1153
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,240
Maybe she took him up on the offer for the money or something, you know?

1154
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:18,240
Gary and Gerard aren't brothers.

1155
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:19,240
I'm sorry.

1156
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:20,240
No, you are brothers.

1157
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:21,240
Gary and Lee, I'm sorry.

1158
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:22,240
I said that wrong.

1159
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:23,240
But you know what I'm saying.

1160
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:24,240
Yes, I get what you're saying.

1161
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:25,240
Yeah, that makes sense.

1162
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:26,240
So yeah, I didn't even think about that.

1163
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:29,240
So Carmen, with her sister-in-law, is telling her that this guy offered this job, it's

1164
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:30,240
a lot of money.

1165
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,240
It's the M.O., that's what I'm saying.

1166
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:33,240
Yeah.

1167
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:36,080
The next night, Carmen was scheduled to work a shift as a cocktail waitress, but she would

1168
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,120
never arrive for her shift.

1169
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,520
She would not be seen for multiple days, and once she was not heard from on Christmas day,

1170
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:47,200
her family would use a spare key and enter her apartment in search of her.

1171
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:52,440
Upon entering, they came upon the bathtub completely full and her dog unfed.

1172
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,480
A few days later, Carmen's vehicle would be found in a nearby parking lot, and her body

1173
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,480
would never be located.

1174
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:58,480
Oh my gosh.

1175
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,480
That's awful.

1176
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:05,480
I can't imagine, first of all, not knowing what happened to your loved one, but like,

1177
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,240
still not being able to have some kind of closure.

1178
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:09,240
Like after all these years.

1179
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:10,240
Like have them home.

1180
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,560
That was in 1970, by the way.

1181
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,800
Gerard would argue his removal from school and petition FAU administrators to change

1182
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:22,320
his records from withdrawal to quote, incomplete, and asked if he would be able to remain studying.

1183
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,080
Like you're the one that fucking dropped out.

1184
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,080
Yeah.

1185
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,080
And now you're asking for a second chance?

1186
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,080
I have marital problems.

1187
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,080
He's like, it's too hard.

1188
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,080
It's like.

1189
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,080
I tripped on a rock yesterday.

1190
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,080
Yeah, seriously.

1191
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,640
The couple would, that's a couple, the college would agree, and Gerard and his wife would

1192
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,160
both return to school at FAU.

1193
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,800
Although they were both together around this time, Marty would ultimately file for divorce

1194
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:47,200
on May 2nd, citing Gerard's quote, extreme cruelty, end quote.

1195
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,760
So who knows what was going on behind closed doors with them.

1196
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:50,760
Yeah.

1197
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:51,760
Oh gosh.

1198
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,080
So Gerard would react to this divorce by going to Europe and North Africa on a month-long

1199
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,080
trip.

1200
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:02,000
That's like a theme too, is him experiencing bad news and then running away.

1201
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,000
Yes.

1202
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,320
Keep that in mind, by the way.

1203
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,360
He went to Europe and North Africa for a month-long trip.

1204
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:08,360
Okay.

1205
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,360
Okay.

1206
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:14,080
By October 1970, Gerard would take a job as a security guard at Florida Light and Power

1207
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,960
in order to make tuition money.

1208
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:16,960
Okay.

1209
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,600
While working there, he met Secretary Theresa Dean, and the two would quickly become engaged.

1210
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:22,600
Okay.

1211
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:23,600
Hi.

1212
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:24,600
Theresa, see you.

1213
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:29,560
It would be almost a year later, in August of 1971, that Gerard would graduate from FAU

1214
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,200
with his degree in geography, and he and Theresa would get married.

1215
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,880
According to Gerard, his second marriage was much better than his first.

1216
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,120
He would say that Theresa was very willing to comply with his sexual demands and also

1217
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:43,920
shared his passion for fishing.

1218
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,760
Oh wow, that's all I need.

1219
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,400
That's what my online dating profile says.

1220
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,400
Yeah.

1221
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,880
I'm not allowed with my sexual demands.

1222
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,880
And I love fishing.

1223
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,720
Second to the demands.

1224
00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:02,000
Not being able to pursue his career as a teacher and having a good time at his security job,

1225
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,280
Gerard decided to pursue a career with law enforcement.

1226
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,280
Why?

1227
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:11,880
Now, we're going to assume at this point he's responsible for the disappearances of both

1228
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,960
Leah and Armin.

1229
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,840
So just keep that in mind.

1230
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:22,200
They haven't been kind of closed, like the case is kind of, they haven't closed, but

1231
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,480
there is a little bit of circumstantial stuff that we'll talk about later.

1232
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,640
On September 3rd, 1971, Gerard would get a job with the Wilton Manners Police Department

1233
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,880
and was sent back to Broward County Community College, or I think it's Broward Community

1234
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,520
College, to the school's police academy.

1235
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:44,160
He would graduate from this on December 17th, 1971, and would fall into his six month probationary

1236
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,520
term at the job.

1237
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,560
Three weeks into Gerard working this new job, another woman would disappear.

1238
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,960
Belinda Hudgens was a 22 year old cocktail waitress who was married to a man that was

1239
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,200
a known drug addict.

1240
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:02,440
On January 5th, 1972, Belinda's husband and her two year old daughter reportedly watched

1241
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:07,840
her get into a vehicle with a strange man at the wheel and she was never seen again.

1242
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,280
When questioned by police about her disappearance, Belinda's husband stated that she, quote,

1243
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,080
had her own lifestyle and did what she wanted to do, end quote.

1244
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,160
So she might be a sex worker.

1245
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,280
Yeah, and I think that he was like, it wasn't uncommon for her to just get in the car with

1246
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,400
someone I know.

1247
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,200
While in Wilton Manners, Gerard proved himself yet again to be poorly suited for the job

1248
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,000
he was doing.

1249
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:34,240
Chief Bernard Scott would tell reporters, quote, he used poor judgment, did dumb things, I

1250
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:38,280
didn't want him around, end quote, before letting Gerard go just six months into this

1251
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,280
position.

1252
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:44,040
So do you think along with disorders there might be some type of developmental disorder?

1253
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,400
I could see it, yeah, maybe.

1254
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:52,160
But I don't know if it's necessarily like he's lacking the skill, I think he just lacks

1255
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:53,160
the effort.

1256
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,160
You know what I mean?

1257
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,640
Like, he knows how to do it.

1258
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,280
I just feel like he doesn't want to fucking do it.

1259
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,280
He doesn't want to work hard.

1260
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,320
It just sounds like a defiant disorder of some kind, but just into adulthood.

1261
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,320
What would that be?

1262
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,320
You know, that's what I mean.

1263
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:05,320
I don't know.

1264
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,840
It might be like a comorbidity with something else that he has.

1265
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,800
His colleagues would actually also refer to Gerard as quote, badge happy, end quote, and

1266
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,400
obsessed with running traffic tickets.

1267
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,920
Like he just had to have the superiority like other people.

1268
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,680
Oh, I believe that.

1269
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,240
Yeah, ex FBI agent Robert Ressler, by the way, have you heard that name before?

1270
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:24,680
I heard Ressler, yeah.

1271
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,400
Would state that Gerard would pull women over just to ask them on dates.

1272
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:29,400
What?

1273
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,880
Like he would literally like pull?

1274
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,360
Is that hey baby?

1275
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,360
Yeah.

1276
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,360
Like that's so disgusting.

1277
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,360
You can go that fast on the way to my apartment.

1278
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,720
Here's my address.

1279
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:45,400
Years later, detectives actually suggested that one of the women who was never publicly

1280
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,520
identified vanished shortly after being pulled over by Gerard.

1281
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:49,520
Oh my God.

1282
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:50,520
That is terrifying.

1283
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,040
It reminds me of mom.

1284
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,040
Yeah.

1285
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,640
Like it's like, no, our mom got pulled over when you were a little right and if I'm not

1286
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,800
mistaken, you were in the backseat with Cameron and dad, all three of y'all are just you and

1287
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:01,800
dad.

1288
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:02,800
I think it was me and dad.

1289
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,280
My mom was driving and she went to this neighborhood that we live next to and the cop pulled her

1290
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,240
over, claimed that she was speeding.

1291
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:09,320
She wasn't.

1292
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,440
He saw dad in the backseat, gave her a warning and then that guy was later arrested for soliciting

1293
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,080
sex from single women in their cars by themselves.

1294
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,080
Yes.

1295
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,080
Gross.

1296
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,080
Yeah.

1297
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:21,520
We had this big old like travel van.

1298
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,800
So and with curtains, you know, like from the nineties.

1299
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,280
And so, yeah, that makes sense.

1300
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,600
Like when you're walking past, you wouldn't see it.

1301
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:29,600
There's no one else in the van.

1302
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:30,600
Yeah.

1303
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:31,600
Even see into the van.

1304
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:32,600
Yeah.

1305
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:33,600
Like dad was sitting in the back.

1306
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:34,600
Yeah.

1307
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:35,600
Scary.

1308
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:36,600
But it's still creepy.

1309
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,960
So with all this shit that Gerard's doing at work, Chief Scott was ready to fire him

1310
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:46,520
on March 16th, 1972, but Gerard actually surprised him by winning a commendation for a drug arrest,

1311
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,400
ultimately saving his job.

1312
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,640
Having the spotlight on him did not stop Gerard from making dumb mistakes while on the job,

1313
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,800
and he was called into Chief Scott's office on April 19th.

1314
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,840
According to Chief Scott, Gerard begged for another chance, quote, almost with tears in

1315
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,560
his eyes, end quote.

1316
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,880
And he ended up not letting Gerard go that day either.

1317
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,560
He was just like, oh, give me 24 hours.

1318
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:09,560
He's crying.

1319
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:10,560
He's crying.

1320
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,400
He wouldn't use my chair.

1321
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,880
The following day, actually, Chief Scott found out that Gerard had actually applied for a

1322
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,560
different job with the Broward County Sheriff's Department and fired him on the spot.

1323
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:21,560
He was like, fuck you then.

1324
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:22,560
You're gonna apply for the job?

1325
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,960
You're begging to keep this one?

1326
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:24,960
Like seriously?

1327
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:25,960
God.

1328
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:30,120
Unfortunately for Gerard, his new application would not work out for him either, as he would

1329
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,720
fail the mandatory psychological exams.

1330
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:34,600
Okay, here we go again.

1331
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:35,600
Another red flag.

1332
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,600
Another red flag with law enforcement that can do something about it, and they're not.

1333
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:39,600
And they're not gonna.

1334
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:44,680
I mean, it's not their job to get him into treatment, but still, they have the knowledge

1335
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,080
that he's not psychologically fit.

1336
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,400
And so does the military, right?

1337
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,440
Yeah, exactly.

1338
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,960
And the professor, the college repressor.

1339
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,360
Gerard would apply to many other departments around the area, and each would call Chief

1340
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,400
Bernard Scott for his opinion.

1341
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,160
Bernard stated, quote, I told them I would put on a uniform and walk the streets myself

1342
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,360
before I would have him back, end quote.

1343
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,400
He's like, do not hire him.

1344
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,960
Do not hire him.

1345
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:16,800
On June 30th, 1972, Gerard didn't be hired by Sheriff Richard Crowder in Martin County.

1346
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,320
A standard background check showed no criminal record for Gerard, and upon applying, Gerard

1347
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:26,000
would include a glowing letter from Chief Bernard Scott, stating that Gerard was a star employee

1348
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,880
and one of the best he had ever seen.

1349
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:28,880
Bullshit.

1350
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,680
Of course, this is falsified by Gerard.

1351
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:35,520
It's like everyone knows he's experiencing whatever he's experiencing except for him.

1352
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:36,520
Except for him.

1353
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,600
And again, that's that lack of, what is it, like low frustration a little bit about psychological

1354
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:41,600
disorganization?

1355
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:42,600
Yeah.

1356
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,160
It's just, he doesn't get it.

1357
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,720
It's just all over the place, and there's not one linear thought that's like, maybe

1358
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:51,680
I shouldn't be doing this.

1359
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:56,040
Or maybe my experiences all have one thing in common, me.

1360
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,040
Me, exactly.

1361
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,400
If you're a common denominator, you're the problem.

1362
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,800
And it's like, if he's not willing to change anything, this is going to keep happening.

1363
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,720
But he just lacks that self-awareness.

1364
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:06,720
Yeah, absolutely.

1365
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:10,360
And now that we know that this letter was falsified, obviously, it actually wouldn't

1366
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,040
be found out by the department until a month later.

1367
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,680
So he was able to work there for a month.

1368
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,640
The thinking that he had this glowing review from his last chief.

1369
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,760
I'm sure that they were like, there's no way this guy has a glowing review.

1370
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:22,760
Let me look into this.

1371
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:23,760
Yeah.

1372
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,520
And at this point, again, we know that Gerard has had some victims, but nobody else was

1373
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:31,160
the wiser about what was going on behind the scenes, because there's been no found

1374
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,560
disappearing women, you know?

1375
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,240
Yeah, no evidence linking him to anything.

1376
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:40,000
Around this time, Gerard explains that he grew tired of killing single victims, and

1377
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,960
he wanted to move on to, quote, doing doubles.

1378
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:43,960
End quote.

1379
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,120
Doing doubles?

1380
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,480
Like to women or men and women?

1381
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:48,840
To women.

1382
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,920
He stated about this, quote, doing doubles is far more difficult than doing singles.

1383
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,880
But on the other hand, it also puts one in a position to have twice as much fun.

1384
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,440
There can be some very lively discussions about which of the victims will get to be killed

1385
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,560
first.

1386
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,680
When you have a pair of teenage bimbalinas bound hand and foot and ready for a session

1387
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:10,240
with a skinny knife, neither one of the little devils wants to be the one to go first.

1388
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:13,920
And they don't mind telling you quickly why their best friend should be the one to die,

1389
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,480
end quote.

1390
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,520
That is some sadistic shit.

1391
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,040
Sinister as fuck.

1392
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,960
Like that takes some thought.

1393
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,640
So clearly he is able to have a linear thought.

1394
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:27,640
Yeah, exactly.

1395
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,200
Just when it pertains to anything that interests him.

1396
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:35,440
And it's like fucking terrible empathy in those sentences.

1397
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:41,160
And the thing that makes my stomach churn about that statement is that it's probably

1398
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,920
a little bit of truth behind it.

1399
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:49,280
And he's using it to get under your skin and tell you, this is what happens when I have

1400
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,840
the control and people are terrified.

1401
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:52,840
Yeah.

1402
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,520
And that grosses me out.

1403
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,560
Over something that you can say.

1404
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,360
Like he can say that and know that it has control over people's minds.

1405
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,360
Yeah, absolutely.

1406
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,400
Like when I read that I was like, what the fuck?

1407
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,400
Like what the fuck?

1408
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:06,400
Disgusting.

1409
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,880
While there is not a specific timeline to show when Gerard began killing two victims

1410
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:16,240
at one time, he is thought to have been linked to the 1966 disappearances of 21 year old

1411
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,680
Nancy Leichner and 20 year old Pamela Nader.

1412
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:24,720
The two women would disappear from a picnic they were having at the Ocala National Forest.

1413
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,280
The case is still unsolved to this day.

1414
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,720
On December 29th, 1970, so a few years prior to Gerard getting the job with the phony letter

1415
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:37,400
recommendation, nine year old Wendy Stevenson and nine year old Peggy Ron would vanish from

1416
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,240
Pompano Beach.

1417
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,280
The following day, a clerk at a nearby convenience store would report a man that was buying ice

1418
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,720
cream for two young girls on the previous afternoon.

1419
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:46,960
Ew, that's so creepy.

1420
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,160
So creepy.

1421
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,920
The clerk positively identified the two girls as being Wendy and Peggy and described the

1422
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:58,600
man they were with as in his 20s, about six feet tall and around 200 pounds.

1423
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,680
The girls are still classified as missing to this day, although Gerard would be publicly

1424
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,280
accused of these crimes on his later hearing.

1425
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:06,280
Okay.

1426
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,280
But, cool case.

1427
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,000
I didn't realize we were in LA.

1428
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,000
Yeah.

1429
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:15,040
Many years after his incarceration, Gerard would write in a letter, quote, I am annoyed

1430
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,760
by all this murder talk.

1431
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,240
Peggy and Wendy just happened along at a time when I was curious about fishes craving for

1432
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,720
the flush of young girls.

1433
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,280
Fish referring to Albert Fish.

1434
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,960
That was not the part of the quote I was adding that in.

1435
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:29,960
Oh my god.

1436
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,480
Quote, I assure you these girls were not molested sexually.

1437
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:39,280
I found both of them very satisfactory, particularly with sauteed onions and peppers, end quote.

1438
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:40,280
He is like fish.

1439
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:41,960
He's trying to emulate fish.

1440
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,120
I think he's trying to, I don't think this is true.

1441
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,520
I think he's saying it for the shock factor.

1442
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:48,520
Yeah, I agree.

1443
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,960
Because there is nothing else that indicates that he engaged in cannibalism besides this.

1444
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,840
One fucking sentence.

1445
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,880
Which is very eerily similar to the Albert Fish letter.

1446
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:58,880
No, absolutely.

1447
00:58:58,880 --> 00:58:59,880
Yeah, it's disgusting.

1448
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:01,440
He said I assure she died a virgin.

1449
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,440
Yeah.

1450
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:03,440
You know?

1451
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:04,440
Like I don't fucking care about that or whatever.

1452
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:05,440
Like fuck you.

1453
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:06,440
I only just wanted to eat a fish.

1454
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:07,440
Literally, fuck you.

1455
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,440
She'll dread.

1456
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:13,400
Now we're back to the present time, so this is on the afternoon of July 21st, 1972.

1457
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:19,320
Gerard came across two female hitchhikers, Nancy Ellen Trotter, 18, and Paula Sue Wells,

1458
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,960
17, while he was on official police duty.

1459
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:28,120
Gerard would pick the pair up and drive them to their intended destination in Stuart, Florida.

1460
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:33,320
Gerard warned the two young girls of the dangers of hitchhiking, and during their conversation,

1461
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:38,000
he came to realize that neither of the girls were Florida natives, and they intended to

1462
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,360
hang out at Jensen Beach on the following day.

1463
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:41,800
Oh, that's so scary.

1464
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,000
But he's a police officer, you would think.

1465
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,000
Yeah.

1466
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,000
That you could trust a police officer.

1467
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,480
And these girls are 18 and 17.

1468
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:49,480
It's true.

1469
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:54,920
Like, you know, again, they're young, never had probably maybe any run-ins with the law

1470
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:55,920
at this point.

1471
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:56,920
Yeah.

1472
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:57,920
I mean, you know.

1473
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,120
And they're not native of Florida.

1474
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,120
He knows that now, so he's like, they're gonna not know their way around.

1475
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,200
Yeah, I just mean that there's no reason to, like, distrust him.

1476
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,120
Yeah, no, of course, in their eyes.

1477
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:08,120
Yeah.

1478
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,760
Upon hearing their plans, Gerard suggested that he drive the two girls to the beach the

1479
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,520
next day, to which they agreed.

1480
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,480
The following morning, Gerard met the girls exactly when and where he said he would.

1481
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,360
But this time, he was not in his police uniform and instead in regular clothing.

1482
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:23,960
It's like I'm off duty.

1483
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,040
He was also driving his own vehicle, but he explained to the girls that he was indeed

1484
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,160
still on duty just working undercover.

1485
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:30,160
Oh, okay.

1486
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,160
I'm just gonna leave.

1487
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,080
Because regular police officers just do that.

1488
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,080
Just do that.

1489
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:35,600
Well, he can't bloody his uniform.

1490
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,000
Yeah, I know exactly.

1491
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,000
For his car.

1492
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,080
Shortly after the girls got into the car, Gerard began driving the wrong direction,

1493
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:46,720
telling them he wanted to show them, quote, an old Spanish fort, end quote, on New Hutchinson

1494
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:47,720
Island.

1495
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:48,720
I would jump out of the car.

1496
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,520
Well, it's probably locked.

1497
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,000
While on the way to this destination, Gerard would warn the girls once again about the

1498
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,280
dangers of hitchhiking, telling them they could be, quote, sold into white slavery,

1499
01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:59,280
end quote.

1500
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,480
I also hate that on top of this, this guy's a fucking racist.

1501
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:04,480
No, literally.

1502
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:05,980
It's like the worst.

1503
01:01:05,980 --> 01:01:07,520
He's like the worst of every fucking thing.

1504
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:08,520
He's the worst part.

1505
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:09,560
He's probably the worst human.

1506
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:10,560
Yeah.

1507
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:15,160
Almost as soon as he said this, Gerard would stop the vehicle and handcuffed and gag both

1508
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:16,840
girls.

1509
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,840
It was not clear which girl he took out of the vehicle first, but what we do know is

1510
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:26,160
that Gerard grabbed one of the girls and took her to a large tree, subsequently tying

1511
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:31,080
her legs to the trunk of it and binding a noose around her neck.

1512
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,520
The noose was attached to a branch tall enough that it forced the girl to have to stand up

1513
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:41,160
all the way, like on a platform to not be strangled.

1514
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,760
Gerard then took the other girl to a different tree a short distance away and tied her up

1515
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,680
extremely similarly.

1516
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,760
So again, both girls found themselves having to stand on narrow branches in order to keep

1517
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,840
their body weight up to avoid being strangled.

1518
01:01:54,840 --> 01:02:00,160
Gerard then informed both girls that he intended to sexually assault them and then murder them.

1519
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:04,160
At this same moment, Gerard received an urgent radio dispatch telling him to report to the

1520
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,640
station immediately.

1521
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:11,520
Gerard told the girls, quote, I gotta go, end quote, but not to, quote, try to run away

1522
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,400
because I'm not gonna be very far down the road, end quote.

1523
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,080
So he's like, he has to leave them there.

1524
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,000
Like, he is on duty and he just got a call.

1525
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,000
He's like, I have to go, don't fucking move.

1526
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,440
Does he have his uniform with him?

1527
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,680
Oh my god, how does he do this?

1528
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,400
Nearly two hours later, Gerard returned to the scene of the crime to see both of the

1529
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:30,400
girls missing.

1530
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:31,900
What?

1531
01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:36,760
He would immediately return to his house and phone his station, asking to speak with Sheriff

1532
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,320
Robert Crowder.

1533
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,040
He informed his boss, quote, I've done something very foolish.

1534
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:43,960
You'll be mad at me, end quote.

1535
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:44,960
What?

1536
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:45,960
What?

1537
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:46,960
Okay, this is wild already.

1538
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:47,960
What's gonna happen?

1539
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,920
Gerard then went on to explain to Robert that he had taken it upon himself to teach two

1540
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:55,040
young girls, quote, a lesson, end quote, on the risks of hitchhiking.

1541
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:59,520
But he claimed that he, quote, overdid the job, end quote, stating that he abandoned

1542
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:03,240
the two girls in the Swampland area of Hutchinson Island.

1543
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,720
He's like, I just dumped them out there telling that exactly.

1544
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,400
He's like, I just dumped them out there and told them that hitchhiking is dangerous and

1545
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:10,400
I was teaching them a lesson.

1546
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,000
Yeah, I was gonna come back for them, but now they're missing.

1547
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,960
Robert and his lieutenant, Melvin Waldron, immediately headed towards Florida State Road

1548
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:22,480
A1A, where they came across a partially gagged teenage girl with her hands behind her back,

1549
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:23,960
attempting to swim down the river.

1550
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,200
Oh my gosh, with her hands behind her back?

1551
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:27,200
Yes.

1552
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:34,480
I'm sorry, if I was threatening to be sexually assaulted, murdered, I'd probably do the same

1553
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:35,480
shit.

1554
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:36,480
Absolutely.

1555
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:37,480
That and then some.

1556
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:38,480
And I felt my, saw my escape route.

1557
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:39,480
Yeah.

1558
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:40,480
Absolutely.

1559
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:41,480
My escape opportunity, absolutely.

1560
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,120
What does he think is gonna happen when they find the girls though?

1561
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,120
Yeah, exactly.

1562
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:45,120
They're just an idea.

1563
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:46,120
Yeah.

1564
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:47,120
Idiot.

1565
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,240
The officers pulled over to see the girl getting out of the water by the bank and attempting

1566
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:50,240
to like get their attention.

1567
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,960
Like they kind of saw each other at the same time.

1568
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,840
Upon her moving the gag from her mouth, the girl identified herself as Nancy and told

1569
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:00,920
the officers that her friend was somewhere in the forest.

1570
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,160
Officers informed her that Paula had been located already by a trucker and was already

1571
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:05,160
safe in custody.

1572
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:06,680
Oh my gosh, that is so scary.

1573
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,840
The two girls would be taken in for questioning where they both explained their situation.

1574
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,920
Both girls stated that they managed to escape by grinding their bindings and loosening their

1575
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:16,760
gag slowly.

1576
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:22,240
The entire time while doing this, they were able to maintain their balance on the narrow

1577
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,640
branches that they had been put on.

1578
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:26,640
Those are badass bitches.

1579
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:27,640
Bad bitches alert.

1580
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,960
Like if they had slipped at any point, they would have died.

1581
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:31,960
Oh my gosh.

1582
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:33,200
And then, oh my god, I'm not even gonna know that.

1583
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,160
Can you imagine like just, and then being there with your friends?

1584
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:37,480
With your friend, I know exactly.

1585
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:41,360
Oh my god, it's so, it's heroic what they did.

1586
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:45,000
Both girls were able to provide a detailed description of their attacker and his vehicle

1587
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,160
before formally identifying Gerard Schaefer as the perpetrator.

1588
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,760
Lock his ass up.

1589
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,240
When questioned, Gerard stuck to his story that he had overreacted in a lesson he was

1590
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:55,440
trying to teach the girls.

1591
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:59,080
However, his story would obviously not be believed and he was immediately dismissed from the

1592
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,720
force and placed under arrest.

1593
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:06,120
Robert Crowder instructed his officers to charge Gerard with false imprisonment and aggravated

1594
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:07,760
assault.

1595
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:12,720
Two weeks after his arrest, Gerard would post his $15,000 bail, which would be the equivalent

1596
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,880
of about $110,000 today.

1597
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,840
Due to making bail, Gerard would be released while he awaited trial that would not be scheduled

1598
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,520
until November 5 months later.

1599
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:37,760
He would return home where he lived with his second wife, Teresa, and her and her parents

1600
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,440
would recall Gerard not acting any different.

1601
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,680
In fact, they believed his claims that he was just trying to teach the girls a lesson.

1602
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,560
They were like, oh, he obviously didn't do anything wrong, he's not broken up about it,

1603
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:48,560
he's not freaking out.

1604
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:49,560
Yeah.

1605
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:50,560
Remember, low frustration.

1606
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:51,560
Low frustration.

1607
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:52,560
He's not worried about it at all.

1608
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,240
He's just going to get out of this pickle.

1609
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,520
While awaiting trial, Gerard got and worked a job at Quick Check.

1610
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:04,800
On September 27, 1972, again while still awaiting trial, Gerard would abduct two teenage friends,

1611
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,720
Susan Carol Place, 17, and Georgia Marie Jessup, 16.

1612
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:12,320
Are you still going to commit crimes like this?

1613
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:17,000
The two were attending an adult education center in Florida, Lauderdale, Fort Lauderdale,

1614
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,240
and Gerard just so happened to be there that day as well.

1615
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:25,400
Gerard would introduce himself to the girls as quote, Jerry Shepherd, stating that he

1616
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:30,040
was from Colorado and that he intended to return home following a trip to Mexico.

1617
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,680
It's just interesting because not only was his college roommate named Jerry, but his

1618
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,680
said his last name was Shepherd and that's super close to Gerard Schaefer, Jerry Shepherd.

1619
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,360
He didn't do much work there.

1620
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,360
Yeah, he was like, no, I totally said that my name was Gerard Schaefer.

1621
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:49,040
They just didn't hear me right.

1622
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:53,040
The afternoon of the disappearance, Susan's mom remembered coming home to find her daughter

1623
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,840
cleaning her room with Georgia sitting in a chair hanging out with her.

1624
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,240
She also noticed an older man in the room as well, who the girls introduced to her as

1625
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:01,760
Jerry.

1626
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,720
Susan told her mom that the three of them were planning on going quote, to the beach

1627
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,080
and to play guitar, end quote.

1628
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:11,200
And although Susan's mom was suspicious, Jerry assured her that his intentions were

1629
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:12,600
pure.

1630
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:16,000
Even so, she made sure to write on the license plate of his vehicle while the three took

1631
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,000
off.

1632
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,000
Good mom.

1633
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,800
So, he's in his early 20s and the girls are 17 and 16.

1634
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,440
And he's like 20, almost late 20s?

1635
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,160
He's 20, yeah, 26 at this time.

1636
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:30,000
So, he's not in his early 20s, he's in his mid 20s, but still 17 and 16 are young for

1637
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,000
him to be hanging out there.

1638
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,560
That's a 10 year age gap.

1639
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:33,560
Yeah, exactly.

1640
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,840
That's a very significant time in your life, you know?

1641
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:36,840
Definitely.

1642
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:41,440
On top of being a little suspicious about this guy's age and all that jazz, Susan's mom

1643
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,480
was actually already kind of thinking in the back of her mind that her daughter was planning

1644
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:46,480
on running away.

1645
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:47,480
Okay.

1646
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,920
And she was also kind of worried like, oh my god, I hope she doesn't like run away with

1647
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:50,920
this guy.

1648
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,440
He's a strange dude, yeah.

1649
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:53,440
Yeah.

1650
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,960
But while they were saying goodbye, Susan assured her mom that she would be gone, quote, just

1651
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,880
for a little while, and quote, and would keep in touch.

1652
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:00,880
Okay.

1653
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:05,240
The girls would leave the house around 8.45 p.m. and when she hadn't heard from her

1654
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:10,160
daughter in four days, Susan's mother contacted Paula's mom who said that she had assumed

1655
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,440
her daughter had run away after not hearing from her since the 27th.

1656
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,360
There must have been some history there with behavioral behavior or something.

1657
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:21,920
It was at this point that both girls were reported missing to the Oakland Park police.

1658
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,240
Susan's mom provided police with the license plate number she wrote down and the plate

1659
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:29,520
was traced to an entirely separate model of vehicle that belonged to a St. Petersburg

1660
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:34,080
resident who did not resemble Jerry Shepard and who also had an alibi for the night the

1661
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,120
girls went missing.

1662
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,680
Without having any more leads and not getting anywhere with the Jerry Shepard name, by the

1663
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,080
beginning of 1973, the case had become cold.

1664
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,360
That's that.

1665
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,240
That's that for now.

1666
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:54,000
On October 26th, 14-year-old Mary Alice Briskolina and 13-year-old Elise Lena Farmer went missing.

1667
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:58,880
Elise's family reported her missing the following day, while Mary's family did not report her

1668
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,600
for a week, assuming that she had run away from home.

1669
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:07,760
The two had vanished while hitchhiking to a commercial boulevard restaurant from a motel.

1670
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,160
Friends and family of the girls were questioned following their disappearances and police

1671
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,720
were informed that the two girls frequently visited an apartment rented by the older sister

1672
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:21,280
of Mary's boyfriend and that a man they were called by the name of Gary Shepard was hanging

1673
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:22,400
around a lot.

1674
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:23,400
Gary now this time?

1675
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:24,400
Yeah.

1676
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:25,400
It's always a Gary.

1677
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:30,120
They also stated that this man had claimed to be a quote ex-Wilton Manners police officer

1678
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:31,120
and quote.

1679
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:32,120
Why would you say that?

1680
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:33,120
Because they were literally telling them her whole life.

1681
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:34,120
Like why?

1682
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:35,120
Why would you say that?

1683
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:40,560
Three months later, on January 11th, 1973, 19-year-old Colette Marie Goodenough and

1684
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:46,080
Barbara Ann Wilcox, also 19, disappeared while hitchhiking from Sioux City, Iowa to Florida.

1685
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:47,200
Her last name's Goodenough?

1686
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:48,280
It's literally Goodenough.

1687
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:49,280
That's amazing.

1688
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:50,280
Yeah.

1689
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:54,440
Both of the women were last seen alive in Biloxi, Mississippi.

1690
01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:58,560
During the time of the disappearance, Gerard was out awaiting trial still and he was known

1691
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:04,000
to have made many long distance phone calls from CD Rapids, Iowa to his Florida home shortly

1692
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,560
before the girls went missing.

1693
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:06,560
What?

1694
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:07,560
So he was like there.

1695
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:08,560
How was he allowed to travel?

1696
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:09,560
I don't understand.

1697
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:10,560
Because he's an ex-police officer.

1698
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:11,560
That's Hollywood.

1699
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:12,560
Sure.

1700
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:17,400
In December of 1972, Gerard appeared in court in relation to the abductions of Nancy Trotter

1701
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:18,960
and Paula Wells.

1702
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:23,480
His attorney had offered a plea bargain that he strongly suggested Gerard take.

1703
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:27,160
This plea deal would mean that Gerard would plead guilty to just one charge of aggravated

1704
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:31,520
assault for which he would receive a sentence of one year in jail with the possibility of

1705
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,680
parole after just six months.

1706
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,680
Tell me he filed a non-guilty plea.

1707
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:41,560
Following his release, he would be on probation for three years if he took the plea deal.

1708
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:46,920
Gerard would agree to this and on December 22nd, Judge D.D. Smith stated to Gerard,

1709
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:51,520
quote, it is beyond the court's imagination to conceive how you were such a foolish and

1710
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,120
astronomical jackass as you were in this case.

1711
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:55,120
Man.

1712
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,120
Oh my God.

1713
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:58,120
Okay.

1714
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:02,240
Well, I was thinking that his narcissism would just not allow him to accept it.

1715
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,560
He would go through a non-guilty plea.

1716
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,080
I could see that.

1717
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:10,920
The judge would allow Gerard's formal sentencing to be postponed until the holidays were over

1718
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:15,120
and Gerard would begin his sentence in Martin County jail on January 15th, 1973.

1719
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,400
Yeah, that was just for everyone's convenience.

1720
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:18,840
Yeah, for sure.

1721
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:24,000
Upon leaving court on December 22nd, Gerard told several reporters, quote, I made a stupid

1722
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:25,000
mistake.

1723
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,440
There was no sex involved.

1724
01:11:26,440 --> 01:11:27,440
No one was hurt.

1725
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:28,440
End quote.

1726
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:29,440
He had to say that.

1727
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:30,440
Yeah.

1728
01:11:30,440 --> 01:11:32,040
No one, there was no sex involved and no one was hurt.

1729
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:33,240
I'm sorry, not sex rape.

1730
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,440
There was no rape involved and no one was hurt because you got a fucking dispatch call.

1731
01:11:36,440 --> 01:11:37,440
Yeah.

1732
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:38,440
What would have happened if they didn't call you?

1733
01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:41,320
It's the only reason that those girls were alive.

1734
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:42,840
Stupid.

1735
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:49,000
In March of 1973, Susan Places mother Lucille discovered a letter signed by one Jerry Shepard

1736
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,240
in her daughter's bedroom.

1737
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:55,320
She would follow the address on the letter and speak to the building manager.

1738
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:59,800
Jerry Shepard had registered at this property under his real name, Gerard Schaefer.

1739
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:00,920
Oh well.

1740
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:05,040
Upon hearing this and learning that this man had recently been sent to jail for an abduction

1741
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:10,280
and attempted murder of two young girls, her and her husband Ira drove around the county

1742
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:13,040
looking for a similar license plate.

1743
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,640
While driving around, Lucille realized that the police may have been searching for the

1744
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,400
license plate match in a different county.

1745
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:24,200
Upon relaying this new information to police, they discovered the plate actually belonged

1746
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:29,000
to a blue-green Dotson registered to a Gerard Schaefer and his address matched the return

1747
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,760
address on the letter.

1748
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:36,280
When questioned in jail, Gerard denied ever encountering Susan or her parents, even though

1749
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:42,560
he was identified via photograph by a Wilton Manners personnel.

1750
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:47,640
On the afternoon of April 1, 1973, a father and son were searching for discarded cans

1751
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:52,600
when they discovered the extremely decomposed bodies of two people in a hole in Oak Hammock

1752
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,480
Park, Florida.

1753
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:58,920
Both victims had been bound and murdered, with their spinal cords severed at the lumbar

1754
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,320
and cervical sections.

1755
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:06,040
The bodies would be identified as those of Susan Place and Georgia Jessup by Medical

1756
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:13,640
Examiner's Department Dr. Richard Sovron.

1757
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:17,400
Shortly after the bodies were identified, Gerard was informed of the discovery and he would

1758
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:23,320
immediately request the representation of a public defender, being one Elton Schwartz.

1759
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:27,000
Due to the location of the bodies and the similarities in the murders and abductions

1760
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:31,080
that Gerard was already doing time for, police were able to obtain a search warrant for Gerard's

1761
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:36,320
house and vehicle, as well as the home of his mother because he was living there.

1762
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:41,640
Inside a locked bedroom at Gerard's mother's home, police found 300 pages of personal stories

1763
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,480
that Gerard had typed out over the years.

1764
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:49,720
These pages included details of kidnapping, torture, sexual assault, and ultimately murder

1765
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:55,160
of a number of teenage girls and young women whom he commonly referred to as, quote, whores,

1766
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,160
sluts, and harlots.

1767
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:02,720
When he's talking about murdering them, he's referring to the most of those things.

1768
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:03,720
He's a murderer.

1769
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:04,720
Yeah.

1770
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:06,720
What does that make you?

1771
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:07,720
Monster.

1772
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,280
Jesus.

1773
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,960
Also included in these writings, Gerard stated that he would commonly force his victims to

1774
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:17,800
drink beer or wine while they stood balancing on various items, hoping not to be strangled.

1775
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,560
Because they would fuck up their balance.

1776
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:21,560
Terrifying.

1777
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:25,320
He stated that he frequently returned to the scenes of the crimes for weeks and even months

1778
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:29,800
after the murders to commit necrophilia or to extract teeth from the skull.

1779
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,520
I might have left out necrophilia in the content warning.

1780
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:33,520
I'm very sorry.

1781
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:34,520
Well, sorry.

1782
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:35,800
You know?

1783
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:37,480
The content warning was adouzi enough.

1784
01:14:37,480 --> 01:14:39,320
I don't think this is very surprising.

1785
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:40,440
Everything under the sun.

1786
01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:41,720
But this is what he wrote.

1787
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:42,720
This isn't...

1788
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,720
He's like de- he's like journaling essentially.

1789
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:45,720
He's journaling.

1790
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:46,720
Okay.

1791
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:47,960
You're like fantasies, right?

1792
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:48,960
Yeah.

1793
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:49,960
Oh yeah.

1794
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:50,960
Okay.

1795
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:56,120
Also at the home, police located 11 bags filled with guns, live and spent ammunition, 13 hunting

1796
01:14:56,120 --> 01:15:00,880
knives, sections of ropes, and soft-core porn magazines.

1797
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:01,880
Soft-core porn.

1798
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:02,880
Yeah.

1799
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:03,880
That's hilarious.

1800
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:05,520
Like, like Playboy.

1801
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:09,560
Multiple photos of women before and after death were located as well, although it was

1802
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,600
hard to identify any of them because the photos were really poor or they just didn't have

1803
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,440
their faces.

1804
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:19,200
On top of this, there were photos of Gerard and various types of lingerie, like we said

1805
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:20,200
earlier.

1806
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:26,880
Lee hand-lined Bonadise jewelry would later turn up at Gerard's mother's home as well,

1807
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,920
the neighbor's sister.

1808
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,320
But unfortunately, she would again never be located and Gerard would never be convicted

1809
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:33,320
of her disappearance.

1810
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,880
So was he saying like he's like not doing...

1811
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:36,880
Well, we haven't gotten there yet.

1812
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,120
I'm sure we'll get there, but he claims he has nothing to do with her disappearance,

1813
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:43,400
but why the fuck was her jewelry at the house?

1814
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:48,720
When Gerard's stash of souvenirs was seized in 1973, police would recover two of Carmen

1815
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:53,480
Halleck's gold-filled teeth and a shamrock pin identified by her family.

1816
01:15:53,480 --> 01:15:55,720
That's the one that was telling her sister-in-law about the date.

1817
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:56,720
Her teeth?

1818
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,120
But she would never be found either.

1819
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:00,800
Oh yeah, she just gave me her teeth.

1820
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:01,800
Yeah, exactly.

1821
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:05,440
That's not funny, the life that's given.

1822
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:10,600
During the search of both homes in 1973, police located an address book containing the name,

1823
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,920
address, and phone number of Belinda Hutchins' husband.

1824
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:18,040
She was the one that a husband and two-year-old saw her getting into an unknown car.

1825
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:22,280
Days later, her husband would identify Gerard's car as the one that took Belinda the day she

1826
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,160
went missing, but she would never be recovered.

1827
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:31,480
Elise Farmer's skeletal remains would be found on January 17, 1973 at a construction site

1828
01:16:31,480 --> 01:16:33,800
near Plantation High School.

1829
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,360
Near the high school?

1830
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:41,760
Mary Briscolinas' remains were found on February 15, about 200 yards away from Elise's.

1831
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,880
The two girls were found with their legs spread apart, and Mary had been beaten brutally on

1832
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,960
her head with one blow proving to be fatal.

1833
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,080
Several of her fingernails had also been detached from her fingers showing signs of

1834
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,080
a brutal struggle.

1835
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,200
Elise had also been bludgeoned to death.

1836
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:58,200
Not a fingernail person.

1837
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,280
I know me either.

1838
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:03,560
Following a search of Gerard's home in April, Mary's relatives would identify a piece

1839
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,160
of jewelry that belonged to her.

1840
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:10,400
Although Gerard was never charged with these crimes, he would admit to them in a letter

1841
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:14,080
later titled, quote, Murder Demons, end quote.

1842
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,360
I don't understand, like, I mean, I understand that's circumstantial and there's no real

1843
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,280
evidence, but like, come on, fuck off.

1844
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:20,840
He's admitting to it.

1845
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:21,840
So I have the letter.

1846
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:22,920
Oh, you've admitted some of it.

1847
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:28,000
In the letter, written on April 9, 1991, he stated, quote, What crimes am I supposed

1848
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:29,000
to confess?

1849
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,000
Farmer?

1850
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,200
Briscolina?

1851
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,240
What do you think Murder Demons is?

1852
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:34,240
Fiction?

1853
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:38,720
You want confessions, but you don't recognize them when I anoint you with them, end quote.

1854
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:39,720
Anoint you?

1855
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:41,720
When I anoint you, because I'm God.

1856
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:43,120
First of all, I'm God.

1857
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,440
And second of all, I know a big word.

1858
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:47,400
Remember you didn't get into the priest's shit?

1859
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:51,920
You can't anoint someone.

1860
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:55,720
The skeletal remains of Colette Goodenough and Barbara Wilcox were discovered in January

1861
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,840
of 1977.

1862
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:02,880
Both victims had been bound together and were still attached together when found.

1863
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:07,080
It's that Gerard was the perpetrator of this crime was found in his mother's home as well.

1864
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:08,880
But again, never convicted.

1865
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:10,600
He wasn't convicted of that one?

1866
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:15,000
This evidence included Barbara's driver's license and Colette's passport, diary, and

1867
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:16,000
book of poems.

1868
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:20,200
So he stole her personal shit.

1869
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:25,080
Gerard would later boast about victims, quote, on three continents, end quote, but no bodies

1870
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,520
were ever found or linked to him overseas.

1871
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,200
So that was the Africa and the Europe trip.

1872
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:30,320
Yeah, I remember why I said that earlier.

1873
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:31,600
I remember that.

1874
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:36,440
Furthermore, teeth and sections of bone later identified as belonging to at least eight victims

1875
01:18:36,440 --> 01:18:39,120
were also recovered from the property.

1876
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,640
There was extensively more evidence found at Gerard's home that could all be found online

1877
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,720
and pointed to him as the perpetrator of at least two more victims.

1878
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,240
So what was he charged with?

1879
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:48,840
I'm getting there.

1880
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:54,000
Georgia Jessup's purse was found in the possession of Gerard's wife, Teresa.

1881
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,000
Georgia Jessup.

1882
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,000
Yeah.

1883
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,000
Remember?

1884
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,000
Yeah.

1885
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,680
Teresa would explain to police that her husband had given her the purse in quote, about November

1886
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:04,240
end quote of the previous year, two months after their girls went missing.

1887
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:05,720
She thought it was a gift.

1888
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:06,720
That's so disgusting.

1889
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:07,800
Can you imagine?

1890
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,960
It's so gross.

1891
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,240
Around April the following year, Teresa explained that Gerard had tried to persuade her to discard

1892
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:20,000
the purse with the explanation that police may try to use the item, quote, to make up

1893
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,600
some kind of evidence, end quote, against him.

1894
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:26,400
Yeah, I have no involvement in this crime.

1895
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,160
But that purse I gave you was a gift, you might want to get rid of that because they

1896
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:30,160
might be able to use that.

1897
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:31,160
Yeah.

1898
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:32,160
There might be.

1899
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,560
Who's to say they can't use my shoes or my watch or whatever?

1900
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:35,720
The purse specifically?

1901
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:37,520
The purse specifically.

1902
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,760
Upon learning this, Gerard's brother-in-law gave up the purse to police.

1903
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:41,760
Here you go.

1904
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:42,760
He told you to get rid of it?

1905
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,600
Okay, we'll get rid of it into the fucking hands of the police department.

1906
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:46,600
The hands of the police department.

1907
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:48,160
It's no longer in the house, I told you.

1908
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:49,160
Yeah, exactly.

1909
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:50,160
I got rid of it.

1910
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:54,840
By May 1973, police had gathered enough physical and circumstantial evidence to link Gerard's

1911
01:19:54,840 --> 01:20:01,080
Schaefer to nine murders and unsolved disappearances between 1969 and 1973.

1912
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:05,480
The same month, a list of 28 murdered or missing girls potentially linked to Gerard was also

1913
01:20:05,480 --> 01:20:06,480
released.

1914
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:08,920
That is a lot.

1915
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:13,520
At a press conference held on May 14, chief investigator, Lem Brumley Jr. stated to the

1916
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:18,720
media, quote, in terms of scope and bizarreness, end quote, the case was the biggest that he

1917
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,400
had encountered in his career.

1918
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:26,440
On May 18, 1973, Gerard Schaefer was formally charged with first degree murder for the killings

1919
01:20:26,440 --> 01:20:30,920
of Susan Place and Georgia Jessup, and was held without bond to a wait trial.

1920
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:32,760
Good, thank God.

1921
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:37,000
Following being formally charged, Gerard was transferred to Florida State Hospital in Chattahoochee

1922
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,920
to undergo 30 days of psychiatric examinations.

1923
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:46,360
He would be returned to St. Lucie County Jail on June 20.

1924
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:52,000
As a result of the evaluations, Gerard was diagnosed as suffering from paranoia, psychosis,

1925
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,040
and acute sexual deviation.

1926
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:59,880
The results also suggested that he saw himself as, quote, an eliminator of women he deemed

1927
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:06,440
immoral, end quote, but nonetheless mentally competent to stand trial.

1928
01:21:06,440 --> 01:21:08,960
So he knew what the fuck he was doing.

1929
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:14,120
At Circuit Court on June 21, District Attorney Robert Stone argued before Judge Cyrus Pfeiffer

1930
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:19,400
at Trowbridge that Gerard was sane and competent to stand trial, while Gerard maintained his

1931
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:24,440
innocence stating that the accusations against him were, quote, a mistake, end quote, and

1932
01:21:24,440 --> 01:21:27,000
saying that he was confident he would be exonerated.

1933
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,000
What?

1934
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,000
How is he thinking?

1935
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,360
How is all this shit in your house a mistake?

1936
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:32,360
Oopsies.

1937
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:33,360
Whoopsies.

1938
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:34,360
Well, just let that shit there by accident.

1939
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:35,360
Yeah, exactly.

1940
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:39,000
He was cleaning up the streets, and he was walking around just collecting trash and discarded

1941
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,000
items.

1942
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,000
It just happened to be connected to 30 women.

1943
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,800
Yeah, exactly.

1944
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:48,760
On September 17, 1973, Gerard Schaefer stood trial for murder.

1945
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:52,560
At the time of the murders, capital punishment had been declared unconstitutional by the

1946
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:58,000
state of Florida, so the prosecution went into the trial seeking a life sentence.

1947
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:02,520
Gerard would plead not guilty on all charges, and was known as staring coldly at the witnesses

1948
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,320
as they testified against him.

1949
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:05,320
Oh, God.

1950
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,120
I can't imagine sitting across from, like, a perpetrator like that.

1951
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:09,120
Oh, yeah.

1952
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:13,160
And on top of this, he was also known as smiling at any witness that testified on his behalf.

1953
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,960
So like, the prosecution goes up and he's staring at them, and then the defense comes

1954
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,400
up and he's like, hey, buddy, how's it going, friend?

1955
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:25,000
In his opening statement to the jury, Stone Shaler, one of the main prosecutors, stated

1956
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,920
that the physical and circumstantial evidence against Gerard would prove his guilt without

1957
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:34,320
a doubt, and that the state expected the jury to return, quote, a verdict of guilty of murder

1958
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,760
in the first degree as to both counts, end quote.

1959
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:41,840
The defense asked to hold their opening statement until the state had rested its case and permission

1960
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,400
was granted, which I've actually never really heard of that happening.

1961
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,560
So it was going to be all prosecution, then all defense.

1962
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:50,760
Yeah, they're like, we want to know what you have before we go into the argument, or lack

1963
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:52,920
thereof.

1964
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:57,680
Multiple people testified during the trial, including Susan Place's parents, Nancy Trotter

1965
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,800
and Paula Wells, his first two victims.

1966
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,000
Well, that we had you got charged with.

1967
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,000
Following an entry into evidence of a manuscript written by Gerard in which he had detailed

1968
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:12,720
how to, quote, properly execute, end quote, women, Stone announced that the state had

1969
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:14,960
presented their whole case.

1970
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:18,480
Following this, Gerard's defense attorney, Elton Schwartz, would immediately call for

1971
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:23,880
Gerard's acquittal, stating that the prosecution's case was fully circumstantial.

1972
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:25,400
The court would rule against this.

1973
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:26,400
Yeah, good.

1974
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,280
Like, duh.

1975
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:34,960
The defense's strategy was to discredit witness's testimony regarding the identification of Gerard.

1976
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:35,960
Wait, what?

1977
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:40,720
So they were essentially saying, oh, the two people that you got, your witnesses that you

1978
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:45,520
actually got convicted of their crimes, they misidentified you.

1979
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,080
They're just not remembering, right?

1980
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:50,760
And they're just wrongly assuming that he's the guy when it's not even him.

1981
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:52,680
Even though he's been found guilty of that crime.

1982
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:57,320
Yeah, or maybe it was others, like the mom of Susan, other people like that.

1983
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:58,320
Oh, I see.

1984
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,520
I'm not sure exactly who, but that's essentially what he was doing.

1985
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:01,760
Eye witnesses just in general.

1986
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:02,760
Yeah.

1987
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:03,760
Okay.

1988
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:08,640
So the first thing goes with Georgia Justice Purse being in Teresa's, what's it called?

1989
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:09,640
Possession.

1990
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:10,640
Possession, thank you.

1991
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:14,560
They even had a witness, the defense did, who stated that he always carried a purse similar

1992
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,400
to the one identified by Georgia's parents.

1993
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:20,680
So that, like, this is like, well, that's a really common looking purse.

1994
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,440
Yeah, anybody can have that purse.

1995
01:24:22,440 --> 01:24:23,440
Like what?

1996
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:25,480
Yeah, obviously there's more than one purse made.

1997
01:24:25,480 --> 01:24:27,480
Oh, but it has their ID in it.

1998
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:28,480
Sorry.

1999
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:29,480
And her DNA on it.

2000
01:24:29,480 --> 01:24:30,480
Yeah.

2001
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:34,880
And along with other witness testimony continued until the defense closed their case.

2002
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:39,400
In closing arguments, Elton Schwartz stated to the jury, quote, ladies and gentlemen,

2003
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,000
they have got the wrong man.

2004
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:45,400
And I hate to think of that because somebody did this, but I don't believe it was Gerard

2005
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:47,280
John Schaefer, Jr. and quote.

2006
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:48,680
Like he's out there.

2007
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,560
We're not doing our due diligence and finding the real perpetrator for these crimes.

2008
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:52,560
Oh my gosh.

2009
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:56,480
Like I know that's your job, but like, come up with a better answer.

2010
01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:57,480
Seriously.

2011
01:24:57,480 --> 01:25:00,600
Like get some like actual evidence that he's not guilty and maybe we'll listen, but-

2012
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,840
I had a better angle with the whole he's trying to clean up the streets thing.

2013
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:04,840
Yeah.

2014
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:09,120
Just happened to come across this woman, these women's gold teeth.

2015
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:10,120
Yeah.

2016
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,720
So Elton would request that the jury return a verdict if not guilty, obviously.

2017
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:18,200
In the prosecution's closing argument, Stone referenced a comment made by a colleague earlier

2018
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:23,640
in the trial regarding Gerard being the quote, prosecutor, judge and executioner, and quote,

2019
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:24,960
in the murders.

2020
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:30,760
He added to this quote, I submit to you one more word, God, because he decided whether

2021
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,760
he was going to let them live or die.

2022
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,560
He became God and quote.

2023
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,200
And I believe that I think that he thinks that he is just-

2024
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:40,120
He has executioner.

2025
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:41,120
The power.

2026
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:42,120
Yeah.

2027
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:46,000
The jury deliberated for five hours before returning with the verdict of two counts of first degree

2028
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,720
murder.

2029
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:53,040
Upon receiving this verdict, Gerard proclaimed his innocence stating quote, that's the role

2030
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,840
of the dice, I had a good defense, but I'm innocent, end quote.

2031
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,880
Obviously, you didn't have a good defense because you just got found fucking guilty of

2032
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:00,880
two counts of murder.

2033
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,880
That was the crappiest defense I've ever heard.

2034
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:03,880
It just wasn't him.

2035
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:04,880
It just wasn't him.

2036
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,160
That's the only- the defense is that it's just not you.

2037
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:10,360
Yeah, it's just not you and you're just remembering wrong.

2038
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:11,360
Yeah.

2039
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:16,240
Sentencing began on October 3rd, where the defense argued that Gerard should be involuntarily

2040
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:21,640
institutionalized under the 1971 Baker Act rather than life imprisonment.

2041
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:22,920
I would be down for that.

2042
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:23,920
Yeah.

2043
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:24,920
As long as he's never getting out.

2044
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:25,920
Exactly.

2045
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:26,920
And he's getting treatment.

2046
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:31,000
The following day, Gerard Schaefer was sentenced to two concurrent life sentences to be served

2047
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:32,200
in Florida State Prison.

2048
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:33,200
The judge was like, no.

2049
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:34,200
No.

2050
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:35,200
Fucking no.

2051
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:36,720
No, he's got- he's had too many chances.

2052
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,040
Because he has been found sane.

2053
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:40,040
Yes.

2054
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:44,240
Gerard once again claimed his innocence before requesting that he be sent to a psychiatric

2055
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:45,740
hospital.

2056
01:26:45,740 --> 01:26:47,720
Now he's trying to play the I'm Crazy card.

2057
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:48,720
Yeah.

2058
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:49,880
Because it's out of convenience now.

2059
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:50,880
Of course.

2060
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:56,040
Susan- Susan Plays' mother expressed her satisfaction at the sentencing by stating to reporters,

2061
01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:00,280
quote, At first I thought I'd like to see him dead, but I think people suffer more with

2062
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:01,280
confinement.

2063
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:02,880
Death is the easy way out.

2064
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,840
Just as long as he's never on the streets again, end quote.

2065
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:12,120
Originally, Gerard would have had the possibility of parole after between 14 and 19 years served,

2066
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:18,200
but his date was revised in May 1979 to indicate the likelihood of parole in 2016.

2067
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:19,200
Okay.

2068
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:24,240
Gerard would appeal his conviction, stating that he had never been indicted by a grand

2069
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:26,960
jury and requested a new trial.

2070
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,600
The appeal was rejected in 1974.

2071
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:35,800
Gerard would maintain his innocence in prison, filing 19 appeals total, all of which were

2072
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:36,800
denied.

2073
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:38,320
He's just gonna keep trying.

2074
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:43,160
He also developed a reputation in prison as an aloof, sketchy guy who may have been

2075
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:44,160
an informant.

2076
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:45,160
So-

2077
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:47,000
So everybody thought he was an informant?

2078
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:48,100
Yes.

2079
01:27:48,100 --> 01:27:53,320
He got into writing and also tried to sue a writer who described Gerard as, quote, worse

2080
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:55,680
than Ted Bundy, end quote.

2081
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,640
He's like, fuck you, I know worse than Ted Bundy, I'm doing the Lord's work.

2082
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:00,640
Yeah, honestly.

2083
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:02,840
That's what he thinks, I mean, not honestly.

2084
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:06,800
In response to this letter threatening to sue, the writer responded that there was no

2085
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:12,120
reason for him to be intimidated by, quote, a middle-aged pale and doughy wimp who prayed

2086
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:16,360
on victims that were physically and psychologically weaker than him, end quote.

2087
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:17,360
That's not funny.

2088
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,960
It's not funny, but the doughy is hilarious.

2089
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:20,960
Got me.

2090
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:25,120
But it's really funny though, because this guy's like, Gerard, you're worse than Ted Bundy.

2091
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:30,680
Gerard's like, yeah, I mean, I don't intimidate anybody, you doughy wimp.

2092
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:31,680
Doughy pussy.

2093
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:35,360
He was a middle-aged too, which is funny.

2094
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,360
This is non-threatening.

2095
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:38,880
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

2096
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,080
He's like, yeah, you can't do anything.

2097
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:43,000
Well, I mean, it's true.

2098
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,640
He prays upon young girls.

2099
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,400
He's physically and psychologically weaker than him.

2100
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:49,400
That's so true.

2101
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:58,480
Yeah, or people that are used to sex work or people that do this as a career or a job,

2102
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:02,200
and just, yeah, he's specifically targeting people.

2103
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:03,200
Of course.

2104
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:05,680
And we see that a lot too, people that target certain communities because they think it'll

2105
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:07,440
be easier to get away with.

2106
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:10,680
But the funny is that for him, it's in the subconscious.

2107
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,120
He doesn't see himself that way.

2108
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:15,240
He sees himself as this big alpha male figure.

2109
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:18,160
You know, like when he's just a doughy wimp.

2110
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:24,440
On December 3, 1995, Gerard John Schaefer was stabbed to death on the floor of his

2111
01:29:24,440 --> 01:29:25,440
cell.

2112
01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:26,440
What?

2113
01:29:26,440 --> 01:29:33,680
He had over 40 stab wounds on his face, head, neck, and body, and his throat was also slashed,

2114
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:38,280
his right eye destroyed, and several ribs fractured.

2115
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:39,520
Too good for him.

2116
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:43,240
His body was discovered by a fellow inmate who informed COs.

2117
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:48,200
32-year-old fellow inmate Vincent Foskina Rivers had killed Gerard over an argument

2118
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:52,240
over who was going to get the last cup of hot water from the dispenser.

2119
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:53,240
What?

2120
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:58,160
This argument reportedly happened days before the murder, and Rivers was ultimately convicted

2121
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:03,800
of Gerard's murder in 1999 and received an additional 53 years and 10 months added to

2122
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:05,080
his sentence.

2123
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:08,160
He was already serving life plus 20 years for double homicide.

2124
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,440
I was gonna ask if he was a lifer, and that's why.

2125
01:30:10,440 --> 01:30:15,600
He actually never confessed to Gerard's murder and the true motive behind his death remains

2126
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:16,600
unknown.

2127
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:18,320
Yeah, it could have been another...

2128
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,760
Well, I mean, he's already been there for life.

2129
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:26,240
Maybe he took the rap for the guilt or blame or sorry for someone that was maybe getting

2130
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:27,240
out soon or something.

2131
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:28,240
Yeah, I don't know.

2132
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:34,160
Well, I mean, Gerard wasn't probably the easiest person to get along with, I'm assuming.

2133
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:38,680
And I was gonna add in as well, it was widely believed that he was killed for being a prison

2134
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:44,040
informant as there was numerous acts committed against him in the year prior to his death.

2135
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:45,720
He had been assaulted before.

2136
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:46,720
I could see that.

2137
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:51,000
They're like, okay, he used to be a former cop, there's gotta be some good in you somewhere,

2138
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:52,200
and they play that angle.

2139
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:53,200
Exactly.

2140
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:59,360
Well, included in these multiple attempts to hurt him in the past, he actually got fecal

2141
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:04,400
matter thrown at him, and his cell got set on fire multiple times.

2142
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:08,920
It was like lightest fucking bed on fire and his fucking clothes and shit.

2143
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:09,920
Yeah.

2144
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,480
Well, I mean, it might have also been the fact that he was a cop.

2145
01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:14,680
Yeah, I think that people really played into it.

2146
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:16,560
They just assumed.

2147
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:21,000
Upon hearing of Gerard's death, Georgia Jessup's mother stated, quote, I've always believed

2148
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:22,400
he was going to get this.

2149
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:26,280
I just wish it had been sooner rather than later, end quote.

2150
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:30,360
The judge who presided over his murder trial stated, quote, he's finally gotten the death

2151
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:34,280
sentence he ultimately deserved but couldn't be given, end quote.

2152
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:36,960
Oh, I know it's a baby's.

2153
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:40,360
Police were in the process of getting more evidence together to convict Gerard of further

2154
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:43,080
murders while he when he was killed.

2155
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:48,200
Sheriff Robert Crowder would later recollect the case in 2009, quote, I think the case

2156
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:52,360
just made law enforcement more aware of the existence of serial murderers.

2157
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:56,280
It made us aware of things to keep in on when we have a crime like this, where there is

2158
01:31:56,280 --> 01:32:01,360
the potential for it being one perpetrator and multiple victims, end quote.

2159
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:05,360
In reference to the victims, a fellow panelist at the meeting that Sheriff Crowder spoke

2160
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:09,360
at stated, quote, the victims are not the only victims.

2161
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:11,280
The victims are also the families.

2162
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:14,360
The victims are also the law enforcement who worked these cases.

2163
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:18,760
None of those people who worked this were ever the same, end quote.

2164
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:22,000
So I mentioned earlier a couple of victims that were likely related to Gerard, but there's

2165
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,960
a couple more that I'd like to mention as well.

2166
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:31,240
On January 18th, 1970, 19-year-old Merid Ellen Malarick and 18-year-old Karen Lynn Ferrell

2167
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:35,400
were last seen alive leaving a cedar in Morgantown, West Virginia.

2168
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:39,360
Their bodies were discovered on April 16th, and although an inmate with an extensive history

2169
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:43,240
of writing false confessions claimed to have committed the murders, the validity of the

2170
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:45,560
confession was disputed.

2171
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:49,720
And the evidence pointed directly at Gerard, but he was actually formally cleared as a suspect,

2172
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:51,040
not sure why.

2173
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:53,760
He was cleared in 1982.

2174
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:59,200
On February 29th, 1971, 13-year-old Deborah Sue Lowe was last seen walking to her middle

2175
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:00,200
school.

2176
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:04,400
Her textbooks would later be found in a trash can, just one block from her home.

2177
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:08,840
Her body was never found, however, her family strongly believes that Gerard was responsible

2178
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:12,440
for her disappearance because he had actually worked with her dad at one point.

2179
01:33:12,440 --> 01:33:14,560
It was like frequently in the home.

2180
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:15,560
Yeah.

2181
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:16,560
That's creepy.

2182
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:20,000
On March 19th, 20-year-old Bonnie R. Taylor was last seen.

2183
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:24,640
It is known that she was stopped for a speeding violation by Gerard shortly before her disappearance,

2184
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,600
and there is not any more information on this case as far as I know.

2185
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:30,520
That's in 71, I think.

2186
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:36,360
On August 11th, 1971, Leonard Joseph Master, 46, was last seen alive at a bar in Riviera

2187
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:37,360
Beach.

2188
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:42,280
His body was discovered on Hutchinson Island on January 3rd, 1973, close to where Gerard

2189
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:45,280
had bound and threatened Nancy Trotter and Paula Wells.

2190
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:50,480
Leonard's body was found without hands, and no direct evidence exists to pin Gerard for

2191
01:33:50,480 --> 01:33:51,480
the murder.

2192
01:33:51,480 --> 01:33:55,680
However, Gerard was known to have referenced his murder at one point following his conviction.

2193
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,080
Okay, so that's the only reason why they suspect him.

2194
01:33:58,080 --> 01:33:59,880
I was going to say it's totally out of the MO.

2195
01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:04,480
It totally is, and I don't know if he referenced it because he took something from it, maybe,

2196
01:34:04,480 --> 01:34:06,800
and used it in one of his future murders.

2197
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:07,800
I don't know.

2198
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:10,160
But that's all they had to say about that one.

2199
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:11,160
Interesting.

2200
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:15,120
22-year-old Elizabeth Renee Wilt was traveling to Florida from Fayetteville, Arkansas when

2201
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:16,720
she was last hurt from.

2202
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:21,240
She had sent her stepfather a letter dated August 30th, postmarked in Miami Beach, where

2203
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:24,520
she indicated that she was quickly going to return home.

2204
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,080
Her body would never be found either.

2205
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:33,160
At the end of 1972, 15-year-old Suzanne Gale-Poole would go missing two days before Christmas.

2206
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:37,840
Partial skeletal remains were found on June 16th, 1974, bound to a mangrove tree in a

2207
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:39,280
swamp land.

2208
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:44,720
The remains would not be identified of being that of Suzanne's until May of 2022, via genetic

2209
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:45,720
genealogy.

2210
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:46,720
Woah.

2211
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:50,880
The circumstances surrounding her disappearance led investigators to believe that she may

2212
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:55,560
have been a victim of Gerard's, as he was temporarily released from court one day prior

2213
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:58,120
to her disappearance.

2214
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:02,800
So if anybody listening has any information on any of those cases, obviously you can call

2215
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:04,440
your local police department.

2216
01:35:04,440 --> 01:35:08,880
I don't have a direct line, but definitely reach out if you have any information.

2217
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:12,760
If you're interested in watching a documentary of Gerard's full life and everything, I mean,

2218
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:16,200
I was pretty detailed here, but if you want to watch the documentary, he was featured

2219
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:21,120
in episodes of Married with Secrets, Killer Cops, and Investigations Discoveries Most

2220
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:26,200
Evil, and his diagnoses again just to remind everybody include paranoia, psychosis, and

2221
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:30,800
acute sexual deviation, as well as suspected antisocial personality disorder, which I'm

2222
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:31,800
sure you were thinking of earlier.

2223
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:35,720
Yeah, yeah, well we talked about personality disorders, some narcissism in there too.

2224
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:41,040
Yeah, but that is the wild, requested case of Gerard John Schaefer, and thank you so

2225
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:42,040
much for requesting that.

2226
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:43,520
Yeah, absolutely, that's what I was gonna say.

2227
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:46,320
Thank you for requesting that because that is a doozy.

2228
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:47,320
Huge doozy.

2229
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:48,320
A hugey.

2230
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:49,320
A huge doozy.

2231
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:50,320
A huge doozy.

2232
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:51,320
A doozy doozy doozy.

2233
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:52,320
Yeah, that's a lot.

2234
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:53,840
How's that for the case before the con?

2235
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:56,160
Gosh, that's a good one right before the con.

2236
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:57,680
Gosh, a lot of content there.

2237
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:02,680
A lot of content, and I know that when the episode was suggested by our listener, she

2238
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:05,840
said that it's also suspected that he had gender dysphoria.

2239
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:09,880
I personally didn't get that in my personal opinion because what we kind of talked about

2240
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:13,000
with it kind of seemed like it might have been like a cover up for like the army or

2241
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:14,000
things like that.

2242
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,880
I don't know if that's necessarily true and he wasn't ever diagnosed with that, but

2243
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:18,640
I did just want to pepper that in there as well.

2244
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:23,880
I think that the, you know, with us discussing the, and again we're not here to diagnose,

2245
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:31,480
but I think with the hatred towards like maybe his sister or wanting to be seen as more,

2246
01:36:31,480 --> 01:36:39,000
or recognized as maybe more sensitive, and to I think that maybe in watching his father

2247
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:44,000
participate with his sister, maybe he's like, I wish I could be that sensitive and vulnerable

2248
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:45,560
with my dad, but I can't.

2249
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:48,160
Like I'm expected to be this like man.

2250
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:52,000
And maybe that's where a lot of that alpha stuff comes from, but that he's trying to

2251
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:59,760
still maintain some type of connection to his sensitive, like to be vulnerable and be

2252
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,640
sensitive and maybe that's where the underwear thing came from.

2253
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:03,640
Yeah, no, absolutely.

2254
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:10,120
He definitely had a lot going on up there and I don't know, I mean it's just like a,

2255
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:14,880
it's a really sad kind of story, like all the way around, like of course for the victims.

2256
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:19,480
But I mean, I don't want to say he had like a bad, bad childhood because we've seen

2257
01:37:19,480 --> 01:37:24,760
worse cases, but with the constant verbal abuse in the house with the alcoholism, who's

2258
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:30,320
to say there wasn't any sort of under predisposed underlying mental disorder that trauma caused

2259
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:31,320
to present.

2260
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:32,320
Yeah, exactly.

2261
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:33,320
He clearly had a lot of mental issues.

2262
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:35,920
Trauma is trauma, abuse is abuse.

2263
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:41,120
And I do definitely think, especially after talking about that Donan Kruger and talking

2264
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:49,240
about how he clearly was inept in many cases and is like pursuing, being a police officer,

2265
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:55,400
pursuing college or being an educator, he self-sabotaged because he wasn't capable of

2266
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:56,600
the follow through.

2267
01:37:56,600 --> 01:38:01,160
And I find that very interesting that he didn't realize how inept he was when it came

2268
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:02,160
to things like that.

2269
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:04,160
It was everybody else's fault.

2270
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:06,680
And then again, that low frustration you talked about.

2271
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:10,000
Yeah, I've never really heard that term described, but it makes sense.

2272
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:13,480
Like as soon as I heard it, I was like, oh, I know exactly what that means.

2273
01:38:13,480 --> 01:38:18,680
He's found things that work for him to create that dissonance or that distance from being

2274
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:20,640
uncomfortable.

2275
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:25,040
And that's something that was probably very much nurture.

2276
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:26,040
Yeah.

2277
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:27,040
So.

2278
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:28,040
Absolutely.

2279
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:29,040
Well, thank you guys for joining us.

2280
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:30,960
Thank you again for the requested case.

2281
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:34,880
I actually am doing another requested case for my next case in two weeks.

2282
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,960
And when you hear this, the next day we'll be having that new mental breakdown coming

2283
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:38,960
out.

2284
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:39,960
And that's also a requested mental breakdown.

2285
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:40,960
Oh, that's a great question.

2286
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,320
So I'm doing a lot of listener requests for the week before the con.

2287
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:46,120
So thank you guys so much for joining us.

2288
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:47,960
And we hope you liked these long episodes.

2289
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:49,240
That one was a doozy and a half.

2290
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:51,240
So we will see you guys soon.

2291
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:52,240
Yes.

2292
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:53,240
We'll see you tomorrow.

2293
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:54,240
Love you.

2294
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:55,240
Love you.

2295
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:56,240
Bye.

2296
01:38:56,240 --> 01:39:03,240
Bye.