1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Hello! 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,800 Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer. 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:06,400 I'm Kenna and I'm Koa. 4 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,880 And I think I went, hello! 5 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:37,280 How's everyone doing? 6 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:38,800 Yeah, pretty good actually. 7 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:45,280 I went to go see a baseball game with most of the fam, you and Kace, slept in. 8 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:50,800 It was his birthday the day before we were recording this and I didn't feel like getting 9 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:51,800 up neither did he. 10 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,800 Yeah, we were all up pretty late last night. 11 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:54,800 Yeah, definitely. 12 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,920 We just had some really nice Texas barbecue for dinner which was so yummy. 13 00:00:58,920 --> 00:00:59,920 So yummy. 14 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:02,800 And now we're here to talk to you guys and we're super excited. 15 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,720 This is another one of our cases that we're recording before my trip so this is gonna 16 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:11,120 be coming out while I'm not even in Texas but we wanted to bring you guys all the content 17 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:12,120 and we're really excited. 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,120 I'm really excited about this one. 19 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,120 Yeah. 20 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,100 Before we get started do you want to tell everyone about our handles and then I do have a couple 21 00:01:18,100 --> 00:01:19,360 messages to read as well. 22 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:20,360 Sure. 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,200 You can catch us at diagnosticackiller.com. 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,280 There you will find links to research and merch. 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:26,360 Use that merchy merch tab. 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,240 It'll take you over to Redbubble. 27 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,680 Get some shirts before the convention in August. 28 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,960 Also on our website you can find a DAKPOD coupon code. 29 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:42,640 That'll get you 15% off of a ticket to the True Crime Paranormal Podcast Festival. 30 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,760 A lot of hands. 31 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:45,760 A lot of hands. 32 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:46,760 Grabby hands. 33 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,680 I'm definitely making sure to bring a bunch of extra business cards to Ohio so if I run 34 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,040 into anybody, like we strike up conversation with anybody at a bar, you're getting a business 35 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,040 card. 36 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,040 For sure. 37 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,040 Just beware Ohio. 38 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:02,200 Catch us on social media anywhere at diagnosticackiller other than Twitter or X which is at killer 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,200 diagnosis. 40 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:04,200 Yeah. 41 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:10,640 So, one, two, and three tier members get an exclusive bonus episode every month. 42 00:02:10,640 --> 00:02:16,680 And even our tier one Patreon members also get access to ad free episodes in addition 43 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,480 to two and threes as well. 44 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:19,480 Yeah, absolutely. 45 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,600 And the bonus episode comes out every month on the 29th which means by the time you're 46 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,840 hearing this, the bonus episode has already been out for almost a week. 47 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,120 So, hope you guys have enjoyed that episode. 48 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,520 It was a lot off of my mind to stop talking about it. 49 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:38,040 But oh my god, speaking of the Patreon bonus episodes, I found audio recordings of the 50 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,960 Toybox Killer, the one I did last on TikTok. 51 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,240 They have like four part, five part of the whole audio and it's like even grosser, like 52 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,080 hearing him say it, not even just reading the transcript, like his voice is nasty. 53 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:56,240 It's like that jigsaw moment where he's broadcasting the same video to multiple people. 54 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,120 Yeah, exactly. 55 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,800 So like I said, before we get started, I do have a couple of messages that our lovely 56 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,160 listeners have sent us. 57 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:09,200 So we did get a message from Connie and Connie said, hey y'all, fellow Texan here just saying 58 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,360 I love your podcast. 59 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,040 I just came across the story of Mary Ann Cotton and wondered if either of you had ever heard 60 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,040 of her. 61 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:16,040 Crazy. 62 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,040 Anyway, love you, bye. 63 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,040 That was really sweet. 64 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,520 I hadn't heard of her but I actually did look her up and put her on my list and it's 65 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:23,520 like a wild one. 66 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:29,040 She got convicted of murdering her stepson but she was like suspected of a bunch of different 67 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,560 murders like in her family. 68 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:31,560 Really? 69 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,240 Yeah, so thanks for the lovely message Connie and of course I responded. 70 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,440 I always respond on the Instagram if you guys send a message. 71 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,000 So we appreciate that and then we have another one from Kirstie. 72 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,440 Kirstie said, hey, as you ask in your episodes, I'm listening from the Netherlands but originally 73 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:47,440 from the UK. 74 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,880 So hopefully that crosses off places on your listen map. 75 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,840 I only started recently with your Elliot Roger episodes but I love the style of the episodes, 76 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,440 so much information with the heart. 77 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,440 That's really sweet. 78 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:57,440 That's Kirstie. 79 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:02,800 Yeah, we definitely try to get as much info out there as we can without sounding like 80 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:03,800 a documentary. 81 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:04,800 Yeah. 82 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,200 We definitely do our due diligence in our research. 83 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,960 I know that we've talked in previous episodes about our different research styles but either 84 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,320 way, we want to bring you guys all the content and if there's anything that we ever leave 85 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:15,720 out, just let us know. 86 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:16,720 Yeah. 87 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:17,720 We're not perfect. 88 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:18,720 It's true. 89 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,520 We're sometimes for brevity's sake. 90 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,640 If it doesn't really pertain to the case or maybe a mental diagnosis of some kind, then 91 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,000 we usually don't put it in there. 92 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,560 I don't care to know what Jeffrey Dahmer's favorite fruit salad is. 93 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:31,560 Yeah, exactly. 94 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,200 It's out there though. 95 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:34,200 You might, yeah. 96 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:35,200 Just kidding. 97 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:36,200 So just let us know. 98 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,720 And lastly, we got a message from Andrea. 99 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,040 Andrea said, hi, Koala and Kenna. 100 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,160 This is Andrea, Louie's sister. 101 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,280 Just wanted to say I love listening to your podcast, Keep Up the Great Work. 102 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:49,160 In the Jodi Areas podcast, you had said to message you about Rainforest Cafe. 103 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,240 So I just wanted to let you know that we have a Rainforest Cafe here in Ontario, California. 104 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:54,240 Love you, bye. 105 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,160 I was like, oh my God, thanks so much for letting us know. 106 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:58,760 Let us know about your Rainforest Cafe. 107 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,560 Well, I love that. 108 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,920 You can really tell in these messages that obviously people are listening but they're 109 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,440 like, oh, I know that they would really appreciate it if we gave them a little info about places 110 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:08,440 that they haven't been to. 111 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:09,440 Yeah, absolutely. 112 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:10,440 I've never been to Ontario. 113 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,240 I've been to California but not that part and of course not in the UK at all. 114 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,560 It's really fun to hear from you guys and hear what people have in different spots or 115 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:18,880 even just where you're listening from. 116 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:19,880 It's really cool. 117 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:20,880 I really enjoy it. 118 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,200 And it's more personal than just the map that we have. 119 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,200 For sure. 120 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,200 I love when y'all's playing off with love you, bye. 121 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:26,680 Oh yeah, that's so great. 122 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:27,680 It's so awesome. 123 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,240 It's like the subject's like, hello, signature love you, bye. 124 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:32,720 That is our thing. 125 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:33,720 Love you guys. 126 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:34,720 Thanks so much. 127 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:35,720 Love you guys. 128 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:36,720 Yeah, seriously, it's always great to hear from you guys. 129 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,280 I love all the positive words. 130 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:39,280 Yes. 131 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:40,760 Are you ready to get into this case? 132 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:41,760 Yes. 133 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:42,760 All right. 134 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,880 Is it Sherry Papini? 135 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:45,880 No. 136 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,040 You have any more guesses before I go into my content? 137 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,040 Is it Diane Reteer? 138 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,040 No. 139 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,040 I don't think it's a name. 140 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,600 Diane, I don't remember. 141 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,480 I don't think, I don't know if you'll know this case. 142 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,520 Like if you do, I won't be surprised but if you don't, I also won't be surprised. 143 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,520 Is it a woman? 144 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:00,520 Yes, it's a woman. 145 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:01,520 Let me just say the story. 146 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:02,520 I mean, we're already here. 147 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:03,520 I'm about to get into it right now. 148 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:04,520 All right, fine. 149 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:05,520 This is what's happening. 150 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:11,480 So today, we are going to be talking about Brittany Norwood. 151 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:12,920 Brittany Norwood. 152 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,600 Again, if you don't know her, I won't be surprised because... 153 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,360 Brittany Norwood. 154 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,000 I think it's just because I went to high school with a Norwood, so I think that's why it sounds 155 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,000 familiar. 156 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Probably not the same gal. 157 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,000 It's not the same gal. 158 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,000 I'll tell you that. 159 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Definitely not the same gal. 160 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,000 It's not. 161 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,960 Yeah, no, I think that's why it stuck in my head specifically. 162 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,360 I think once we start getting further into the story, you might be like, oh, I think 163 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,520 I've heard about this. 164 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:37,520 Content warning. 165 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,240 Brittany Norwood also contains descriptions of sexual assault, racial bias, and graphic 166 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:42,240 physical assault. 167 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,880 If this episode is not for you, we encourage you to find another one of our episodes. 168 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,240 Remember your mental health is very important to us, and we love you. 169 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:49,240 Love you. 170 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:50,240 Bye. 171 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:51,240 Bye. 172 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,240 So yes, Brittany Norwood, and I'll just go ahead and get into it because why am I wasting 173 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:55,240 any more time? 174 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,240 Keep saying that I'm going to get into it and then I don't get into it. 175 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,240 Okay. 176 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:04,240 Brittany Norwood was born on May 18, 1982, to Earl and Larkita Norwood in Washington 177 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,520 State. 178 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:10,760 As far as I can tell, she had four brothers and four sisters, as she was a very big family. 179 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,280 The Norwood family was known as being really well known around the neighborhood and even 180 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,520 admired while the children were growing up. 181 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,120 There's actually even a couple of articles that Brittany was featured in as a young kid 182 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,760 because she was super active in the community. 183 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,160 One of these, she was working with some fellow classmates in sixth grade on a project about 184 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:32,000 religion, and it was posted in the Federal Way News Tribune. 185 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,800 Both Earl and Larkita had been described as friendly and generous, and they raised their 186 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,560 children to be the same way. 187 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,640 So the parents, Earl and Larkita, owned a furniture upholstery and fabric business that 188 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,400 went well for a while, but it also had its troubles as well. 189 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,180 The two were known to stay extremely dedicated to their children's needs even through the 190 00:07:49,180 --> 00:07:52,800 rough patch with the business, financial needs, I mean. 191 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,920 On top of this, friends and acquaintances noted that the family never complained even when 192 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,400 needing to put thousands of dollars into their children's extracurricular activities. 193 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:02,680 So just like really great people. 194 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,480 Yeah, they want everything for their kids. 195 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:05,480 Absolutely. 196 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,920 Of the sports the kids played, Brittany was extremely into soccer as a kid and well into 197 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,000 adulthood as well. 198 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,800 Earl was known to attend every single one of Brittany's games, and he was always dressed 199 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,680 very formally, notably wearing a collared shirt, a jacket, and slacks. 200 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,840 Like he's like, I wanna look the greatest to watch my daughter play. 201 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,680 What a dad. 202 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,400 Brittany knew from a young age that she wanted to pursue her dream of playing on the US Women's 203 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,440 National Soccer Team, and she would work very hard at soccer her whole childhood because 204 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,200 of this. 205 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,600 Her rough behavior during games was something that people took notice of, but always stated 206 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,400 that it never translated off the field. 207 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,560 It's like she's just an aggressive soccer player, but she's not an aggressive person. 208 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:49,280 Brittany would attend Decatur High School in Federal Way, Washington, where she was also 209 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:54,000 involved in cheerleading, and she would graduate in the year 2000. 210 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,920 After she graduated, she would move to Long Island, New York to study sociology at Stony 211 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,880 Brook University, and would receive remarkable praise as a soccer player playing through 212 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,680 her junior year. 213 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:08,680 While she was in college, however, numerous reports would be made against Brittany from 214 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:12,960 her roommates, teammates, and classmates about Brittany stealing from them, like specific 215 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:13,960 items. 216 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:14,960 What? 217 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:15,960 Okay. 218 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:16,960 It's kind of like, it goes out of nowhere. 219 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:17,960 Yeah. 220 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,280 They would refer to her as a kleptomaniac, like most of the time, like it was that bad. 221 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,440 I wonder what the psychology behind that is. 222 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:25,440 Exactly. 223 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,960 You didn't want for anything as a kid as far as we know. 224 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:28,960 Yeah. 225 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:29,960 So why do you feel like you have to steal things? 226 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,280 It's like a slight risk situation that probably feels pretty nice or something. 227 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,200 Or maybe she didn't like the idea of people calling their family perfect all the time 228 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:39,200 when she was growing up. 229 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,600 She's like, oh, well, I'll like show them. 230 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:41,600 I need a rebel. 231 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:42,600 Yeah, exactly. 232 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:43,600 I don't know. 233 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:44,600 Give me your socks. 234 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:45,600 I still can't figure out like the motive. 235 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:46,600 Huh. 236 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:47,600 That's very interesting. 237 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,120 From her friend and fellow soccer player, however, she would be referred to as quote, 238 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:55,560 very sweet, funny, and amazing soccer player, stealing was her only vice end quote. 239 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:57,760 It was something that was really like something deal. 240 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,120 Yeah, it was a high. 241 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,120 Exactly. 242 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,320 Most people actually seem to laugh off the constant stealing, like made it like not so 243 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,640 much a big deal, a stating quote, oh, that's just something she does. 244 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:08,640 End quote. 245 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:09,640 That's just Brittany. 246 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,040 Yeah, like don't leave your shit out around her. 247 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,240 No, that's like a fucking. 248 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,240 It's a problem. 249 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:16,240 Yeah, definitely. 250 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:17,240 Yeah. 251 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:22,480 I think it's definitely a big time in pretty much everyone's life that they've taken something 252 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,440 that they weren't supposed to. 253 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:30,360 I just find that very interesting that there's something commingling with like endorphins 254 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,240 and stuff like that that makes someone want to do it all the time. 255 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,880 Well, I think that, you know, as a kid, everyone steals something once or whatever. 256 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,520 And usually you figure out that that's wrong or you get in trouble and then you don't do 257 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:41,520 it again. 258 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:42,520 Right. 259 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:43,920 But she's kind of been getting away with it. 260 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,320 Well, especially if people are laughing it off. 261 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:47,320 Exactly. 262 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:48,320 There's no ramifications. 263 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:49,320 Yeah, exactly. 264 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,400 Eventually, though, she would be reported enough times and she would actually lose 265 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,120 her scholarship and ultimately be expelled from the school when she was a junior. 266 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,520 Okay, well, that's a big consequence. 267 00:10:58,520 --> 00:10:59,520 Yeah. 268 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,960 Well, it was classmates, roommates and teammates alike. 269 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,960 Like everyone was like reporting her on. 270 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:04,960 She stole my cleats. 271 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:05,960 Yeah, exactly. 272 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,360 They're on her feet. 273 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,240 Just pushing her over and jacking them up for her feet. 274 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:17,960 Now in 2007, allegations of Britney stalking her ex-boyfriend also surfaced. 275 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:22,720 A restraining order from the same ex had also been filed against Britney as well, but she 276 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:27,760 would continuously reschedule the hearings due to like work conflicts, despite receiving 277 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,120 letters about how important it was for her to attend. 278 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,760 After a year of dodging the court proceedings, the restraining order had actually expired, 279 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,240 as the boyfriend did not have any way to prove his domestic violence claims because she wouldn't 280 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:41,480 show up to this hearing. 281 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,200 Which is honestly like kind of lame because- 282 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,280 No, you don't show up. 283 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,680 You should be granted the restraining order. 284 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:47,680 Exactly. 285 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:48,680 Like she didn't show up. 286 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:49,680 Like clearly. 287 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:50,680 Yeah. 288 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:53,280 But I don't know what the prosecution or whatever is like, oh, she didn't show up. 289 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:54,280 She's clearly not stalking you. 290 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:55,280 She's not here. 291 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:56,880 She doesn't even want to be around you. 292 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:57,880 Yeah, exactly. 293 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:58,880 But I don't know. 294 00:11:58,880 --> 00:11:59,880 But I didn't know that. 295 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:03,400 I don't know if it's any different now, but yeah, the restraining order had been filed, 296 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,200 but it had been over a year since it had filed. 297 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,960 So it kind of just like fell into the- 298 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,760 Or I guess like maybe she just wasn't contacting him anymore and then- 299 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:12,760 Maybe. 300 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:13,960 At all and then yeah. 301 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,440 But I just feel like- 302 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:16,440 They should grant it. 303 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:17,440 They should grant it. 304 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:18,440 Yeah. 305 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,320 Like that person doesn't show up because they're afraid of a court proceeding. 306 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:22,320 Like no. 307 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,560 I completely agree. 308 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:28,960 The same year, 2007, Brittany would move to Washington, D.C., Maryland area to live with 309 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,120 one of her four sisters. 310 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,480 She would initially begin working at the William Intercontinental Hotel and was actually quickly 311 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,200 promoted to management. 312 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,600 However, this would not last long as Brittany was very interested in opening and owning 313 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,040 her own gym and becoming a personal trainer. 314 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,040 Okay. 315 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,720 So that's like a positive thing. 316 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:47,720 Yeah. 317 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:52,520 But you know, I'm already concerned because I see the kleptomania already or I guess, 318 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:57,880 I don't know what would the proper term be for that if you have that kleptomania. 319 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:58,880 You have that. 320 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:04,960 You have the boyfriend that wants the restraining order and then you have her thrusting herself 321 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:05,960 into work. 322 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,560 And I think that it's, I just, it sounds like a Kristen Gilbert. 323 00:13:09,560 --> 00:13:10,560 It really does. 324 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:13,160 I can't stop thinking about Kristen Gilbert right now. 325 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:18,440 I think that with the personal training, like the motive behind that might have been like 326 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,080 stealing people's stuff because you're working one-on-one with people. 327 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:26,040 You have access to like a lot of their maybe like information or belongings or whatever. 328 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,040 I don't know. 329 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,880 She clearly wants to make a lot of money. 330 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:30,880 Yeah. 331 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:31,880 Absolutely. 332 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,320 And she's clearly interested in doing something physical. 333 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:35,320 Yeah. 334 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:36,320 Interesting. 335 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:41,080 So speaking of money, she found herself in a position currently at this moment that she 336 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,000 wasn't able to open her own gym because she didn't have enough money. 337 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,720 So she decided to apply at a place that sold like active wear and gym wear. 338 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,560 So she could kind of be like in the community and just not working at a gym. 339 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:56,400 One of these places that she applied for was Lulu Lemon Athletica and Brittany would ultimately 340 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:57,400 get the job. 341 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,680 Do you know this case now? 342 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:00,680 No. 343 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:01,680 Okay, cool. 344 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:02,680 So you probably don't know it. 345 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:03,680 If you don't know it now, you probably don't know it. 346 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:05,960 This was recent, was it not? 347 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,480 This was in like the murder was in like 2011. 348 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:10,480 Murder? 349 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:11,480 Well, diagnosed to be a killer. 350 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,160 Well, diagnosed to get clustered. 351 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,520 Who dies? 352 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:22,760 So on March 12th, 2011, Rachel Ortley, the manager of Lulu Lemon and Bethesda, Maryland, 353 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:23,760 how do you say it? 354 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:24,760 Bethesda? 355 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,920 Bethesda, Maryland, arrived in the morning to find the door unlocked. 356 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,400 Rachel thought this was strange, but she assumed another store employee had either just been 357 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,480 there before her or someone had just forgotten to lock up the night before. 358 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,560 Once she entered, she came across merchandise strewn all over the place and the mannequin 359 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:45,680 is completely apart as well as drawers open and racks tipped over like a rent sacking. 360 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,920 The rent sack. 361 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,320 Upon entering, she immediately grabbed her phone to contact any other employee that 362 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:56,240 might have been there and simultaneously called out to see if anyone was inside. 363 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,480 Once she yelled, Rachel noted a strange sound that sounded like groaning coming from the 364 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,560 back of the store. 365 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,080 Of course, this completely scared her and she ran outside to dial 911 and also grabbed 366 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,200 a nearby man by the name of Ryan and briefly explained to him what she heard and asked 367 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,480 him to come investigate with her. 368 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,200 She said, I don't want to go in there alone, which I don't know. 369 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,840 Ryan agreed to help Rachel and she would stand at the front door while he went back to hear 370 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,120 what the groaning was. 371 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:26,120 A minute later, Ryan yelled at Rachel to call the police. 372 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,520 Rachel immediately called 911 and told the dispatcher, quote, I think someone's dead, 373 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,120 end quote. 374 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,840 What Ryan had come across was a scene out of a horror film. 375 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,760 He told Rachel that there was a body of a woman laying face down in the hallway and 376 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:44,400 another woman tied up in the bathroom, seemingly barely breathing and possibly assaulted. 377 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:45,620 Oh my gosh. 378 00:15:45,620 --> 00:15:49,600 At this point, Rachel would phone 911 again to give them the further information that 379 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,840 she had gathered. 380 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,880 Montgomery County police had responded to the 911 call and arrived at the scene to discover 381 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,400 the same trash place. 382 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:03,080 On the floor leading to the body and woman, there were two bloody footprints, one kind 383 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,200 of big and then one smaller. 384 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,880 But there was blood everywhere. 385 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,680 Yeah, so it was probably hard to distinguish that in the first place. 386 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,000 Exactly. 387 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,280 The body of the 30-year-old woman was that of Jaina Murray, a manager of the Lulu Lemon 388 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,760 store, and the employee that had been closing the night before this incident. 389 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,720 She was the manager on duty. 390 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,120 Oh, she was the manager on duty the night before. 391 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:25,120 Yes. 392 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,480 She was in there all night. 393 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:27,480 Yes. 394 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:28,480 That's awful. 395 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,840 The other woman, 28, was none other than Brittany Norwood. 396 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,600 Brittany's hands and feet were zip-tied and she had cuts all over her chest, legs, arms, 397 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:38,600 and face. 398 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,000 Oh my gosh. 399 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,560 Police would rush Brittany to the hospital to tend to her wounds and began searching for 400 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,320 any leads to find the perpetrator of this horrific crime. 401 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,760 There were no security cameras, however, or even eyewitnesses except for one. 402 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:52,760 Brittany. 403 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:53,760 Brittany, she was alive. 404 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,920 She also was working overnight. 405 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,040 She had been working that night before as well. 406 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:00,040 Okay, so we're cool. 407 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,040 But they didn't know this at the time. 408 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,040 Okay. 409 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,920 Well, I guess Rachel knew that, but police didn't. 410 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,160 Once Brittany was stable, police would return to the hospital to question her about what 411 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,080 had occurred that night before. 412 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,760 Brittany explained to police that her and Jaina had closed the store the evening prior, and 413 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,440 while she was leaving, she realized that she had forgotten her wallet. 414 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,200 She called Jaina to let her back into the store, and alarm records showed that the door was 415 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,840 indeed unlocked at 10.05pm. 416 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:25,840 Okay. 417 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:31,120 According to Brittany, two men wearing dark clothing and ski masks then entered the store, 418 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:35,040 attacked both women, and sexually assaulted them as well. 419 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,840 She stated that Jaina tried to fight back when being sexually assaulted, and the two 420 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,600 men responded to this by ultimately ending her life. 421 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:47,080 So how did she, was she, she was stabbed or? 422 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,760 I'll get to it in just a second. 423 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:49,800 Okay, okay. 424 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,520 While police initially thought that Brittany was a victim of this crime, they quickly realized 425 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:58,040 while talking to her that most of what she was claiming happened did not add up. 426 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:04,840 Jaina had been savagely attacked with at least 331 wounds inflicted with five different 427 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:05,840 weapons. 428 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:06,840 What? 429 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:07,840 Yeah. 430 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:13,120 Like, I'm sorry, that's not like a, oh they got mad and they beat her to death. 431 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:17,040 Or that they were looking to rob and or sexually assault. 432 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,040 Yeah. 433 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:24,680 Like if you, in most cases that we've covered, if there's a sexual assault and you know, 434 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:29,640 the person is unfortunately murdered, it's usually very, I wouldn't say quick, but you 435 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,400 don't take too much. 436 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:36,160 You don't use five weapons and hit, stab, whatever. 437 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,160 Yeah. 438 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,160 300 times, that's crazy. 439 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:44,160 So out of these weapons, they concluded that it included a knife and a hammer that actually 440 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,040 came from a toolbox that was in the, the stores like storage. 441 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,920 It was the toolbox killer. 442 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,160 On the other hand, Brittany's wounds were relatively minor and superficial and appeared 443 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,440 to be self-inflicted. 444 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:01,760 Like they were all on her front, not on her back or on the back of her head or, yeah. 445 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,720 Forensic experts even noted later on that she had a cut on her forehead as well, but 446 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:11,840 the blood that dripped from it was straight down, which would appear that she would be 447 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,480 standing straight up. 448 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:14,480 And so. 449 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:15,480 But she was found laying down. 450 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:16,480 Yeah. 451 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,920 It's literally like Dexter, like the blood spatter to match what she was wearing. 452 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,240 She was looking in a mirror when she did it. 453 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,320 Exactly. 454 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:28,360 The bloody footprints on the floor had come from two pairs of shoes, one being size 14 455 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:31,560 Reebok sneakers, which were found inside the store. 456 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:32,560 What? 457 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,560 And Brittany's personal shoes. 458 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,520 So she wore, oh my gosh. 459 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,520 We don't know yet. 460 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:39,520 Wait. 461 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:40,520 We don't know yet. 462 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:46,000 The perpetrator, whoever that might be, left their shoes behind. 463 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,480 And working at Alululemon, which I'm assuming that they have shoes. 464 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,480 Yeah. 465 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,760 So they just picked out some off the rack. 466 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:54,760 Yeah. 467 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,720 Put them on for the purpose of the crime. 468 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:04,680 And then put their own shoes on to leave. 469 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:09,480 Featured in vogue, forbs, and more, Alariss has the most beautiful and expertly crafted 470 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,560 diamond jewelry for that special someone in your life. 471 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,560 From engagement rings, pendants, and earrings, you're sure to find the perfect gift that 472 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,960 expresses exactly how you feel. 473 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,200 Click the link in the show notes to receive $10 off all orders plus free shipping. 474 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:31,840 Alariss, fitting all your jewelry needs from A to Z. 475 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,400 On top of this, the bloody shoe prints ended before the exit door, indicating that the 476 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,040 person who made them did not leave. 477 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,040 Never left. 478 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,040 Yeah. 479 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,760 So they were going to go take a jog around the block or something. 480 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,160 Just leave them down an alley all the way around. 481 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,160 It was terrible. 482 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,160 Yeah. 483 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,160 Lead them to another perpetrator. 484 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,360 It was like in the embassy group when they were running. 485 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:54,360 Yeah. 486 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:58,360 She just paints a sign with an arrow pointing to a dude. 487 00:20:58,360 --> 00:20:59,360 He did it. 488 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:00,360 He did it. 489 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:01,360 It was terrible. 490 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:04,640 So investigators would do further testing and actually came to the conclusion that neither 491 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,800 one of the women had been sexually assaulted like Brittany claimed. 492 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:08,800 Oh, what? 493 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:13,560 Jaina was even found with a hole in her pants like next to her genitals to suggest that they 494 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,880 had been like ripped, but there was no physical evidence of sexual assault. 495 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,480 I wonder why she would claim that if it didn't happen. 496 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,360 Well, like there's ways to tell that that happened. 497 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:24,360 Absolutely. 498 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:27,400 I think that, and I'll get into it a little bit more, but I think that she was just trying 499 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,920 to make these people look like the worst people in the world. 500 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:30,920 Yeah. 501 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:31,920 She's saying anything she can. 502 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:32,920 Yeah, there's demons. 503 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,440 Probably like, oh my God, how horrible. 504 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,680 We need to go find these guys and not really like focus their attention on her. 505 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:43,240 Although her story seemed extremely unreasonable, police did not have any concrete evidence 506 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,640 to make an arrest or even hold Brittany at all. 507 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,320 So they began searching for leads in the case. 508 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,720 Detective Dimitri Rubin, who had done the questioning of Brittany, was really suspicious 509 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,640 of her from the beginning of her story. 510 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:55,920 Did you mean to say Rubin? 511 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,400 Oh, okay. 512 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,960 He stated about this quote, the amount of trauma that Jaina suffered wasn't normal. 513 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,280 It's just the little voice in the back of my head. 514 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,720 Something's just not right. 515 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:10,880 The way Brittany's describing these two guys, they're racist, they're rapists, they're robbers, 516 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:11,880 they're murderers. 517 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,000 It's like the worst human being you could possibly describe, right? 518 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,120 It doesn't say two crazy people off the street that screams an inside job. 519 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:22,120 Oh, I got the heave. 520 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:27,360 But I'm sure they're looking at her like there's no way she could have perpetrated this crime. 521 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:30,600 We got to look at other leads, potential other leads. 522 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:36,680 And it's kind of interesting, I do like that theory when investigating a crime. 523 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,960 Go ahead and throw out the what-ifs and just, it's all just going to come back around to 524 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:41,960 that person, right? 525 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,480 Like, let me go ahead and test all of these theories and when they are disproven, then 526 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,160 the evidence only points to one person. 527 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,160 Exactly. 528 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,520 It's always going to point back with the evidence. 529 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,720 The thing is, is like, okay, obviously we all know that Brittany was the one that did 530 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:55,720 this. 531 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:56,720 Clearly. 532 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:57,720 Her name is her title. 533 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,840 No, she doesn't have a size 14 shoe. 534 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,960 No, her name is on the episode, we all know. 535 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,920 But at this point, like, police don't know what she's capable of. 536 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,200 She is obviously in a criminal mastermind, so all of this shit's going to come out and 537 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,200 it's just a matter of time. 538 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,960 Like, police just are going to do their jobs. 539 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,120 They should detectives, you know, whatever. 540 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:16,120 And it's going to come out. 541 00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:22,120 I'm sure they're also trying to eliminate any potential, you know, possibility that 542 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:23,760 someone helped with the crime as well. 543 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:24,760 Exactly. 544 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:25,760 They need to make sure that it's just her. 545 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:26,760 Only her. 546 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:27,760 Absolutely. 547 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,600 So meanwhile, the store owners had offered a $125,000 reward to anyone who could help 548 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,360 police find and convict the two male suspects. 549 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:36,360 She call. 550 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:37,360 Yeah, right? 551 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:38,560 She's like, I think they went that way. 552 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:39,560 Yeah. 553 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,560 Can I get my 120K? 554 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,480 Yeah, for real. 555 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,440 Police would question the neighboring stores, because it was in like a strip mall, for anybody 556 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,440 that may have heard something that night. 557 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,480 Employees in the Apple store next door had explained that they indeed heard an altercation 558 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,760 through the wall the previous evening. 559 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,720 Surveillance footage from inside the Apple store. 560 00:23:58,720 --> 00:23:59,720 This is funny. 561 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,520 It's not funny, haha, but it's like, okay. 562 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,360 It showed the two employees standing next to the shared wall, like kind of like leaning 563 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:10,040 into it and then walking away while the security guard was just listening to his iPod. 564 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,120 The security guard was not interested in shit. 565 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:14,880 He's like, that's not my thing. 566 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:15,960 Not my problem. 567 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:16,960 Not my store. 568 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:17,960 Not my store. 569 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:18,960 God, it's terrible, but. 570 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,960 I bet they looked at him like, bro. 571 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,800 He's fucking serious right now. 572 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:23,880 You hear something. 573 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:24,880 Go investigate. 574 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,600 Yeah, but he doesn't get paid to do that. 575 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:27,600 Exactly. 576 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:32,720 And it's just, I mean, not to diminish the job of a security guard, but. 577 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:33,720 He's not a cop. 578 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,720 Yeah. 579 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,720 I'm sure he doesn't have a cop. 580 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:37,720 Yeah, he doesn't have a cop. 581 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,720 Yeah. 582 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,720 He's just gonna phone the police. 583 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,320 He's like, bro, I get paid $16 an hour. 584 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,320 Yeah, that's very true. 585 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:44,720 Not gonna go over there. 586 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,800 Yeah, at least call the cops. 587 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,960 I think it almost is like, they don't think he heard anything, because he was like on his 588 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:51,960 iPod. 589 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:52,960 You know what I mean? 590 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,960 He's just like, that's the officer that he puts his iPod in. 591 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,960 What do they call it? 592 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:00,960 Headphones? 593 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:01,960 They're not earpods. 594 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:02,960 Airpods. 595 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:03,960 No, they are earpods. 596 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:04,960 Earbuds. 597 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:05,960 This is in 2011. 598 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:06,960 They wouldn't have had earpods. 599 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:07,960 Yeah. 600 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:13,960 And I'm pretty sure Earbud is that Golden Retriever movie. 601 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:14,960 Earbuds. 602 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:15,960 Earbuds. 603 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:16,960 Anyway. 604 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:24,960 So the Apple employee that did hear something would state that she heard women arguing, 605 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,960 then one saying, quote, talk to me, don't do this, talk to me, what's going on. 606 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,960 Oh my gosh. 607 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,680 And then followed by screams and the sound of something or someone being hit or dragged. 608 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:37,680 But nobody called the cops. 609 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,680 So specific. 610 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:39,680 Yeah, oh yeah. 611 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,280 After this, she heard the same voice, but she said it was weak this time, saying, quote, 612 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,360 God help me, please help me, end quote. 613 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,200 And nobody called the cops. 614 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,200 Like what? 615 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,840 Nobody called. 616 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:59,480 Because the other Apple employee testified later that he thought the noise was, quote, 617 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,480 just drama. 618 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,680 Oh, it's just two girls. 619 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:03,680 They're just so dramatic. 620 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:04,680 Oh, you've hit me. 621 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:05,680 Stabbed me. 622 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,280 Oh, they're so dramatic. 623 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,600 Girls are so dramatic. 624 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,600 Those hysterical women. 625 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:10,600 Those hysterical women. 626 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,040 Meanwhile, someone's getting like with their black bile. 627 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:19,560 Like causing all this magic to happen in your brains. 628 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,560 You women's. 629 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,000 Yeah, I guess this was Freud that was working at the Apple store. 630 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,560 But he had male hysteria. 631 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:27,840 That's very true. 632 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,000 Although they called it PTSD. 633 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,120 It's PTSD when it's a man. 634 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:33,840 It's hysteria when it's a woman. 635 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,840 Yeah. 636 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,840 Mental breakdown. 637 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,840 I know which episode was that. 638 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:37,840 15.0. 639 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,480 So long ago. 640 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,440 So police would continue their investigation and they would get a warrant to search Jaina's 641 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,440 car. 642 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,440 Okay. 643 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,960 So they would find and collect a blood sample that would later be identified of being a mixture 644 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,200 of Brittany's and Jaina's blood. 645 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,200 In her car. 646 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,200 Yeah, in Jaina's car. 647 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,200 Okay. 648 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,760 When questioning Brittany, police asked her if she had moved Jaina's car, which was found 649 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,920 three blocks away at a farmer's market. 650 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:01,800 Oh, she thought that was ditching the car. 651 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,040 She thought she was like clever. 652 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,040 Yeah. 653 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,320 She explained that the men had ordered her to and told her if she didn't come back in 654 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,080 10 minutes, they would kill her. 655 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,200 Like that seems like a perfect opportunity to escape. 656 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,200 To escape. 657 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,200 You have a car. 658 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,320 You're in a car. 659 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,640 You're outside the building. 660 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:17,640 Yeah. 661 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,120 Moving three blocks away. 662 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:22,080 Like you know how fast cars can go? 663 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,480 Just step on the skinny pedal. 664 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,920 I'm sure she also couldn't claim that they were in the car forcing her to do it. 665 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:27,920 Oh, of course. 666 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,000 She said that they stayed at the store and they told her to go and come back. 667 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,000 Yeah. 668 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,000 Yeah. 669 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,520 But she also stated that she even saw a police officer while she was moving the car, but 670 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,880 she just decided not to say anything to him. 671 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:38,880 She's like, I'm fine. 672 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:39,880 I can handle this. 673 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:40,880 I'm a big girl. 674 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:41,880 Yeah. 675 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,880 What? 676 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,880 Oh, I'm gonna go and leave the car. 677 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:44,880 I'm going to leave the car. 678 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:45,880 That's fine. 679 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:46,880 I can handle this. 680 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:47,780 When asked why she didn't just flee when she was out of the building away from the perpetrators 681 00:27:47,780 --> 00:27:52,680 in the car, she explained that the two men had seen her home address on her ID and she 682 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,840 was worried that they would try to find her. 683 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,880 They just glanced at it but gave her her ID back. 684 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:57,880 Right? 685 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:58,880 Like, oh that's interesting. 686 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,600 No, I have a photographic memory you can keep it. 687 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,000 Exactly. 688 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,920 So while the investigation was still going on and within a week of the murder, the community 689 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,760 would hold a vigil for Jane and Murray. 690 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,320 As the night went on, news began to spread throughout the vigil. 691 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,760 Brittany Norwood had been arrested in connection to the murder of Jaina. 692 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:16,760 Wow. 693 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,080 This is at her, sorry, this is at her vigil. 694 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,080 Yes. 695 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,080 Oh my gosh. 696 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:27,360 A week after the assault on March 18th, Brittany Norwood was charged with first degree murder. 697 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:32,080 Police would keep the details of the arrest and crime very tightly under wraps and would 698 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,600 actually not release any information to the public until nearly seven months later at 699 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:37,600 her trial. 700 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,600 What? 701 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,680 Just anyone screwing up the story, they wanted all the evidence to be right there. 702 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,680 Wow. 703 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,680 And they were like, we're not releasing any information about this. 704 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:46,680 Nope, no press release. 705 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,120 All they know was that she was held for it. 706 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,120 Wow. 707 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,120 Yeah. 708 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,240 During the time awaiting trial, the Lulu Lemon Store was closed and boarded up, which I 709 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,520 just had to put that in there because I thought that's like really sad. 710 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,920 Like, it's probably like a mom and pop owned, you know, franchise or whatever. 711 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:04,040 But they had to keep it closed, of course, because it was an active crime scene essentially. 712 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,480 I'm sure they were collecting evidence that whole time as well. 713 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,480 Yeah. 714 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,480 You would think so. 715 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,360 But Brittany's trial would begin on October 26th, 2011. 716 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:17,160 It was then that the grueling details of what actually happened that night were exposed. 717 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,960 So on the night of the murder, Brittany and Janna were closing up the store and Janna 718 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,560 asked Brittany if she could check her bag. 719 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,280 This was very common and still is in high end retail stores because the merchandise 720 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,280 is super expensive. 721 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,000 Obviously, they don't want anyone stealing it. 722 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,760 Yeah, I worked for a company that did that for sure. 723 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,760 Yeah. 724 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,200 Everybody had to look at each other's bags before we left. 725 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,200 Yeah. 726 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,200 And not for nothing. 727 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,640 Not for the other before, but Brittany is a klepto. 728 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,520 So it's like, okay, might as well check her bag. 729 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,160 That makes so much sense now because I was going to ask what's the motive. 730 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,160 Yeah. 731 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,920 So Janna had found a pair of stolen yoga pants in Brittany's bag. 732 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,720 So it's unclear whether or not Janna asked Brittany about the pants or if there was just 733 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:55,720 tension. 734 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,080 But either way, like Brittany knew that Janna saw the pants. 735 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,400 But either way, Janna thought to herself that she would just give her superior a call once 736 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,480 Brittany left the store and she wasn't going to say anything to her. 737 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,040 The two had both left the store, Janna locking up, and then they both took off. 738 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,800 A few minutes later, Brittany called another store employee to ask for Janna's number 739 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,040 as she had left something behind inside but didn't have her number. 740 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,320 Or she just said that she didn't. 741 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,320 Exactly. 742 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,840 The employee gave her the number and Brittany then called Janna. 743 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,200 Janna had just gotten off the phone with her boss who she had informed about Brittany's 744 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,200 theft. 745 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,200 And the superior told Janna that she would just deal with it in the morning. 746 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,000 She was like, go ahead and go home, I'll figure it out tomorrow. 747 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,920 So once Janna answered Brittany's call, Brittany explained that she left her wallet inside 748 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,400 and asked Janna to come in and unlock the door for her. 749 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,480 Once inside, Brittany attacked Janna, ultimately, of course, brutally killing her. 750 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:51,320 So that was the 10 o'clock thing that the alarm was turned off. 751 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,560 Yes, exactly. 752 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,840 So Brittany then staged the scene to look like a robbery and put on a pair of men's shoes 753 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,520 from the store. 754 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,700 Begin tracking blood around the floor. 755 00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:04,040 She would then move Janna's car and come up with her elaborate plan. 756 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,640 What were the people at the Appalachian store doing there so late? 757 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,520 I don't know, maybe they closed like an hour later than Lulu? 758 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:16,520 Yeah, maybe they were like 10, 20, 18, 15. 759 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,480 So Brittany would then return to the store where she cut herself up numerous times, bound 760 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,480 her feet and hands and laid on the bathroom floor. 761 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,000 Police believe that there was a nearly 90 minute time frame since Janna's death and 762 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,840 Brittany laying on the bathroom floor. 763 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,880 90 minutes in between. 764 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,240 90 minutes in between of what? 765 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,240 So she was- 766 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,240 Janna passing and Brittany laying on the floor, which means she had an hour and a half to 767 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,120 do all this planning and then she literally laid on the floor all night. 768 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,120 All night long. 769 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,840 That's another thing that I was gonna ask was like, because this is the next morning. 770 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,520 Does she think that maybe she was gonna be loud enough that the Appalachian store employees 771 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,520 would call the cops? 772 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:54,520 Yeah, I think so. 773 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,600 I think she was waiting for someone to show up. 774 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,720 Like there's no way that they didn't hear the ruckus, like the police are gonna be coming. 775 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,720 And then they didn't. 776 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,280 Or the manager showed up the next morning. 777 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,240 Or someone's gonna be looking for my ass because I'm not home yet. 778 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,680 Or nobody's heard from me in a few hours or something. 779 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:10,680 Wow. 780 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,680 Exactly. 781 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,720 I know, honestly, that's the creepiest part of this whole thing to me. 782 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:22,280 She literally laid down a deceased person for probably eight hours. 783 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,720 Just for her fucking story. 784 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,720 That's so- 785 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,920 Like how far are you willing to go for a pair of leggings? 786 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:28,920 For a pair of leggings. 787 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,760 Like all over a pair of leggings. 788 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,400 Well, she was afraid she was gonna lose her job is what it was. 789 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:38,240 Yeah, but like it's just like you said it was kind of just like a, oh well, I'll just 790 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,240 start working here. 791 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,240 Yeah, exactly. 792 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,160 So it wasn't even like a career or anything like that. 793 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,320 But it could ruin her reputation and her career. 794 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,560 Well, she already knew what happened. 795 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:47,840 Last time she got reports of theft. 796 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:48,840 That's true. 797 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:49,840 You know, she got kicked out of school and everything. 798 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:50,840 That's true. 799 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,680 During the trial, prosecutors showed the jury all of the evidence, including phone calls 800 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,240 and video footage of Brittany claiming to not know the type of car that Jaina drove. 801 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,240 What? 802 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,280 She's like, oh, I don't even know what kind of car she drives. 803 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,280 But she drove it. 804 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,280 Yeah, exactly. 805 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,760 She drove it at least once. 806 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:11,440 The evidence was so overwhelming in fact that Brittany had to alter her plea to self-defense 807 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,800 as opposed to not guilty because they were like there's literally no way to do this. 808 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,360 Like you could not like physically could not put in a plea of not guilty. 809 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,000 Not have done it. 810 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,200 Yeah, exactly. 811 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,640 The jury deliberated for just 21 minutes before finding Brittany Norwood guilty of first degree 812 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,640 murder. 813 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,640 21 minutes. 814 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:29,640 21 minutes. 815 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,480 This sounds like a girl that's kind of entitled, honestly. 816 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,520 This sounds like a girl that was really entitled and thought that she could just get away with 817 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:43,480 it because she's never had to deal with any of the consequences most of her life when 818 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,280 stealing things for a while, you know, until it got really bad. 819 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,640 Yeah, I just, ugh, yeah. 820 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:50,640 Well, it sounds like entitlement. 821 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:56,320 Again, like I said earlier, I think that she thought there's no way they're not going 822 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,120 to believe me if I have cuts all over my body. 823 00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,920 I'm found tied up. 824 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:01,440 I tell them I'm sexually assaulted. 825 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:02,760 There's no way they're not going to believe me. 826 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,280 They're going to go looking for these guys and then I'm going to get away with Scott 827 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,280 Free and they're never going to find the guys. 828 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,280 Yeah. 829 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,280 And my problem solved. 830 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,280 I got to keep the leggings. 831 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,280 You know what I mean though? 832 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,920 Like she didn't think about the consequences. 833 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,080 Or the fact that they might be able to seat their bullshit. 834 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,320 And how old was she at this point? 835 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,560 Because I'm thinking about that whole frontal lobe thing about learning consequences and 836 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,560 stuff. 837 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,560 28? 838 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:24,560 28, yeah. 839 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,000 She sounds like she's a 14, 15 year old girl. 840 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,480 In the thinking process. 841 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,480 Yeah, exactly. 842 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,080 You know, it's just wild. 843 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:38,800 She definitely didn't, it was most definitely a rage crime. 844 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,800 With the amount of wounds that Jaina had, like that's ridiculous. 845 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,800 And I'll talk about that in just a minute as well. 846 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:49,360 I went, yeah, like you said, the rage behind it, I'm wondering if it wasn't just her taking 847 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:56,320 out every bit of uncomfortability or frustration she's ever felt surrounding Cleptomania. 848 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,000 Yeah, she's like, I got confused. 849 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,400 I got caught once again or not even caught in her mind. 850 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,960 She probably thinks I got, what's it called when you accused? 851 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:05,960 I got accused. 852 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,960 Yeah, she's more mad about that. 853 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:08,960 Yeah, exactly. 854 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:14,400 So at Brittany's sentencing, Jaina's family showed home videos of her and they were adamant 855 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,360 that Brittany not be eligible for parole and serve out her entire life sentence. 856 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,280 Well, yeah, the crime was brutal. 857 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,640 Yeah, absolutely. 858 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,320 The judge would agree and Brittany was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of 859 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,440 parole on January 27th, 2012. 860 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,800 In 2015, Brittany contested her conviction using a Maryland state law that guarantees 861 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,040 circuit court defendants the right to appeal. 862 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:43,120 Her lawyers would argue that she did not receive her Miranda rights early enough in the investigation 863 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,760 and was thus improperly questioned by detectives. 864 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,920 What was I supposed to give her Miranda rights when she was unconscious in the hospital or 865 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:51,920 asleep or something? 866 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,920 Yeah, when was I supposed to do that? 867 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,640 The court bluntly stated about this quote, the evidence of Norwood's guilt was overwhelming. 868 00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,640 End quote. 869 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:00,640 That's, yeah. 870 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,240 It's like all they responded with. 871 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:03,240 Mic drop. 872 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:04,240 Yeah. 873 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:08,840 They were ruling them just saying that effectively has ruined her chances forever appealing again. 874 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,920 Well, I mean the brutality of the crime is outrageous. 875 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:13,920 Yeah. 876 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,240 I think in a way, I don't want to say unmatched because like how do you compare apples and 877 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,720 oranges but it's very extreme. 878 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:24,800 331 wounds at least. 879 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,800 That's not total. 880 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:26,800 That's as many as they found. 881 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:27,800 Yeah. 882 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:28,800 Exactly. 883 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,480 That is absolutely brutal and content warning for you guys, if you do research this crime, 884 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,200 there are crime scene photos online, not of the body but just as much of blood and stuff. 885 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,200 Oh, I see. 886 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,200 Well, not that I could find. 887 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,200 I didn't look, try to look. 888 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:45,040 I should have said that about Jodi Arias because oh gosh, those things are, those pictures 889 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:50,520 are everywhere and it's just heartbreaking because you know, the Alexander family has 890 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,520 to deal with that. 891 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,520 Yeah, absolutely. 892 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,600 That's awful. 893 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,480 So Brittany Norwood remains in the Maryland Correctional Institution for Women in Jessup, 894 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,320 Maryland to this day and she has been living a relatively quiet life since 2015 as there 895 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,160 is not really much known about her online since then. 896 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,200 She's like, she was like, I can't appeal anymore, might as well just shut up. 897 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,200 I'm just going to be quiet. 898 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,200 Yeah. 899 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,200 Which is probably what she should do. 900 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,200 Honestly. 901 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,800 Of course her parents do not agree with the decision and they continue to show support 902 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,960 for their daughter, hoping that one day she will be released. 903 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,200 Do you think it was just like a mental break? 904 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,960 Do you think that there was something that just snapped and she just raged out? 905 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,800 Yeah, I think so because I was going to say that she was never diagnosed with any mental 906 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,560 disorders, but it is known that she was actually going to try to attempt to plead insanity 907 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,600 at first, but her lawyers weren't able to prove any mental disability. 908 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,400 Well, I wonder if it's not a CTE thing. 909 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,400 It might be. 910 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,400 And they won't know that. 911 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,120 Yeah, they won't know that until post-mortem. 912 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,120 I mean, yeah. 913 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:52,120 Yeah, no, it's just a really like giant horrible story, you know, from the beginning and this 914 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,680 is a smaller case that I decided to bring this time. 915 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,000 But I think it's like really important. 916 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,720 Like there is no underlying mental disorder that we know of, but you're completely right. 917 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,920 I didn't even think about CTE. 918 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,120 And even if there's not a mental disorder, like we want to cover cases like this as well 919 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:12,360 because of that brutality of that crime is just so unfair and like over something so 920 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,720 little, like there's no way that there's not a mental disorder in there is what I'm trying 921 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:16,720 to say. 922 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:17,720 Yeah, exactly. 923 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:18,720 Like there's no way. 924 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:19,720 I agree. 925 00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:23,360 Yeah, especially with the brutality of the crime and, you know, the lengths that she 926 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,120 attempted to go through to cover it up. 927 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,120 Yeah. 928 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:32,840 And, you know, I'm sorry, but you just, I feel like if it was like a snap or something 929 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,000 that she wouldn't have that wherewithal to kind of cover it up. 930 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,000 I agree. 931 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,000 And maybe that's what it was. 932 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,280 Maybe it was just a scramble to try to figure out a story or something. 933 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,280 Yeah. 934 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,680 I mean, she had eight hours to think about what she was going to say. 935 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,680 Yeah, exactly. 936 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,120 But she also, like I said, had 90 minutes in between the killing and her laying down to 937 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,760 like being a victim. 938 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:52,760 Yeah. 939 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,920 She had so much time and yeah, in the eight hours on top of that, she had so much time 940 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:56,920 to reconsider. 941 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,040 Why even stay there? 942 00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,400 Why not just escape? 943 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,520 Why not just leave the scene? 944 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,000 Well, she's totally thinking like I was the only other employee with her here last night. 945 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,680 So clearly it's yeah. 946 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,680 I don't know, man. 947 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,040 I think I think personally like she did snap in that moment and then she was like, oh shit, 948 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,160 like what am I going to do? 949 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,680 People that are kleptomaniacs, if you will, are also very good at like lying and they're 950 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,080 very manipulative. 951 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,640 And I think that's something that she was, I think she was thought that she was going 952 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,160 to outsmart everybody's story. 953 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:30,520 Well, even kleptomaniac can be an impulsion and a compulsion at the same time. 954 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,560 So I think that maybe it's also that it's like a snap decision and then I'll just pay 955 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,560 for the consequences later if there are any. 956 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:38,560 Yeah, absolutely. 957 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,600 Well, obviously our thoughts go out to Jaina's family. 958 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,320 I do hope that Brittany is getting the help that she needs in jail, but you know, we can 959 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,240 never really count on that, especially because she wasn't diagnosed with anything. 960 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:52,200 But anyway, that's the Lulu Lemon murder story and that's what it's known as. 961 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,200 But yeah, Brittany Norwood, I didn't think that you knew that case. 962 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,280 And so I was like, I'm going to bring this one, see if she catches on. 963 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,560 Like I think that I saw maybe a YouTube, because I watch a lot of that chapter, Dave's 964 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,880 Lemonade or Dreading. 965 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,480 And I always talk about those guys because they're my favorite and I'm obsessed, but 966 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,640 I'm pretty sure one of them had done a case on this. 967 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:15,880 And so I think it sounds familiar, but I'm also like severely ADD. 968 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,960 And so I'll be walking around the house with my wireless headset and just like listening 969 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,160 to true crime 100% of the time. 970 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,720 And so I think I heard it, but I didn't really retain it. 971 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:27,720 Yeah. 972 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:29,840 So yeah, thanks for bringing it. 973 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,840 Yeah, absolutely. 974 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:31,840 Thank you guys for joining us. 975 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,360 We are on the countdown for the festival. 976 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,800 I think by the time you hear this, it'll be maybe two weeks. 977 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,840 And then we go to the festival three weeks. 978 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:40,840 Yeah, three weeks. 979 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,480 Yeah, I think to the day actually, because we're going to leave that Thursday. 980 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:44,680 So three weeks to the day. 981 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:45,680 And then we're going. 982 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:50,640 We're definitely getting some merch working for you guys. 983 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:51,640 We're going to have some freebies. 984 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,360 We're also going to have some Patreon merch as well. 985 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,920 If you sign up for the Patreon, you get something special, but we will have some freebies. 986 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:03,920 So definitely come by and stop by and say hello to us and buy us a beverage and do whatever 987 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:04,920 you want. 988 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:05,920 Do everything that's fun. 989 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,440 I'm just going to have to ship Lui a pen. 990 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:08,440 Yeah, no, absolutely. 991 00:41:08,440 --> 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the fact that she would- what? 1018 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,400 The cat. 1019 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,400 The cat. 1020 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,400 Whole place. 1021 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:44,400 Absolutely. 1022 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,400 And you know, we haven't even, like you said, oh. 1023 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,400 Absolutely. 1024 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:55,120 It didn't know what I was supposed to say. 1025 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,120 Absolutely. 1026 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,120 Just absolutely. 1027 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:13,540 Pat's fan of youtube City Do You Know You N turns out- 1028 00:43:13,540 --> 00:43:14,540 What? 1029 00:43:14,540 --> 00:43:20,320 Until no did you malign its 1030 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,360 Bition. 1031 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,220 Vaaps.