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Hello! Hello! Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer. I'm Koelle and I'm Kana.

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How's it going? It's going. Yeah. I just cleaned my room and packing for my trip.

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Yeah. And it's like several days away, but I just got too excited and I was cleaning my room anyway

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and I was like fuck it. Just gonna start packing things I don't need until I go. I love to over pack.

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Like when we went to New York, I totally over pack. Oh yeah, no. I was telling Dana, I was like,

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I would rather have too much shit than not enough. Yeah. Like I don't want to be without something.

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If I have too many things, cool. I'll just put them away when I get home. I don't have to wash them.

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I want a million clothes options because I don't know how I'm gonna be feeling.

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And I always have like 18 pairs of underwear for a four day trip because what if you shit yourself

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like three times a day when you're here? Like what are you gonna do? God forbid. God forbid, but it happens.

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But it's reality. It's reality. Adult life is already so goddamn weird. Well, welcome back everybody.

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If you are listening to us for the first time, welcome and we are super excited to have you guys here.

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For those of you that do not know, we do a mental breakdown on Mondays. It has a little bit of psychology

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and we kind of dive into a specific mental disorder or a event or phenomena or something like that.

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Phenomenal. Phenomenal. Phenomenal. And then on Thursdays we bring you our true crime case,

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which is the episode that you're listening to currently. Yeah. I'm really excited to hear who you're doing.

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I think this is like episode 102. Something like that. 103? Yeah, it's a big deal. It's a big deal.

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It's a big deal. Like a pickle. Like a big deal. Yeah. Check us out on social media, anywhere at

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diagnosing a killer other than Twitter, which is at Killer Diagnosis or X. I guess we got to get used to saying that.

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X. Yeah, Elon Musk, he's changing it from Twitter to like X.

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Oh, what the fuck? It's been Twitter for like 10 years. I tried to click on a Twitter page earlier

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and then it took me to Twitter. Totally fine. And then all of a sudden the screen went black and it was like

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X. And I was like, whoa. And it wanted me to log in and I was like, no, no, no. We're not doing that yet.

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Hard pass. Yikes. Hard pass. Yikes on bikes. Yikes on bikes. So.

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We also do have a website, diagnosingkiller.com. There you can find links to resources and merch

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and True Crime Podcast Festival discount for the tickets, which we are going to be host at in literally like three weeks.

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Yeah. This is coming up so fast. But we're so excited. So excited. So excited. And we're going to be bringing

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all content right up until the fucking hat drops. Like we're going on Thursday and we're still releasing an episode that day.

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Yeah, absolutely. And then we come back on Monday and we're still releasing an episode that day.

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Yep. So. No need to fret. Yeah. And then you get your case at the 29th is the next day on that Tuesday.

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So. Yes. For the Patreon bonus episode, those of you that do not know, we have a Patreon setup that is

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patreon.com slash diagnosingkiller. Tiers one, two and three all get ad free episodes every week.

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Tiers two and three will get an additional bonus episode that is completely uncensored, completely unedited.

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This one that's coming out, I think after this case is going to be fucking horrendous. So just

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warning everyone here, I can warn people on this platform. Yeah. But just get your boots fucking strapped

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because it's like if you're somewhere out of Texas and maybe your sandals strapped or something.

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Yeah. But your it's a doozy. Your trainers. Yes. Their trainers. What are those?

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They're sneakers in the UK. That's what they call them. Yeah. Instead of like, yeah, sneakers,

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they're trainers. Oh, wow. I guess it's like all of our UK listeners. Just like endurance running all

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the time. Yes. Yeah. Well, we call them tennis shoes. Tennis shoes. Yeah. But that's true. We

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don't always play tennis with tennis shoes on tennis with them. Anyway, I'm excited to hear your case.

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I am for the first time really nervous to deliver a case. Really? Yeah. I don't know why I just got

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that like, like anxious feeling. I'm not trying not to talk too fast. Do you think it's because of

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like the I'm just excited. The case is so well known. Yeah. I'm just excited to deliver the content.

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Okay. So we discussed this before we sat down. Obviously, I don't know who you're doing, but

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you said that I will know it. But you've said that in the past and I didn't know it.

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Like Mark David Chapman. I was like, who? It's John Lennon dead.

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So I'm really anxious to see if I'm going to actually know this person. Today we're going to

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be talking about oh god, you look really excited. Jodi and Arias. Oh, okay. Obviously.

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This is the reaction I wanted. Well, I don't really know the whole story. So well, then it's

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going to be even more exciting. Oh my gosh, Jodi Arias. I know you've been wanting to do this

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one for a long time. So excited. Not excited, but just you know, ready to deliver the content.

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Ready. Content warning. This episode describes scenes of childhood neglect, stalking, domestic

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violence, and ultimately brutal murder. If this episode is not for you, please feel free to check

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out another one of our episodes. Remember, your mental health comes first and we love you. Bye.

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So Jodi and Arias was born on July 9th, 1980 in Salinas, California. Her parents, I know,

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right? Oh my, happy birthday and oh, and oh. Her parents were William and Sandra Arias. When Jodi

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was born, she already had one older half sister and soon the family would have Jodi's younger

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brother and then two more younger sisters. Couldn't find their names, but also, you know,

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some people remain unknown. Sure. On purpose. Yeah, on purpose. By all accounts, Jodi's family life

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was mostly that of a typical middle class family. She got along well with her siblings pretty well,

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and was a bright child, as one is. Her mother would say that Jodi picked up reading at a very young

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age and soon began to collect books. Jodi was perceived as a highly intelligent girl with a

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crazy amount of book smarts. The family at some point would relocate to Wairika, California,

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which is kind of like super far north Carolina, California. Jodi did have some rebelliousness

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about her and by the time she had high school, she had come to realize that she gained attention

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through her looks. Oh, okay. Her grades would begin to decline in school as she started treating

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school as kind of a social outlet rather than a place to gain an education. Well, that's what we

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have heard in the past as well. People with people that are highly intelligent kind of think that

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school is like tedious almost, even when they get into high school. Yeah. Like this is like really

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lame. Like this isn't even challenging me. And I just don't want to be here. I just don't even want

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to be here. Yeah, it's just more of a social thing. Yeah. Jodi also found a passion for photography

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while she was in high school. She would begin to fight with her parents. She would often berate

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her mother for never graduating from college. Oh, she would belittle her mother insinuating that

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she was less intelligent and constantly asked her mother things like quote, don't you want

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something better for your life? End quote. Oh my God. How about like, I would feel like

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such shit if my daughter said that to me. Jesus. Yeah. And this was her mother's account. And

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even when her mother is remembering those things, she gets emotional. It was almost like Jodi would

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bully her own mother. I'm really like, yeah, well, I had to raise your fucking punk ass. Like,

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fuck you. In one instance, Jodi's father spotted something in their backyard. Jodi had attempted

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to grow weed plants in the backyard. And when her father found out about this, he actually called

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police to have the plant removed. OMG, that's hilarious. Which is kind of like, I kind of get

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it. Like, you don't know what to do with it, especially if you like, don't do that. You're

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like, I guess I should hand this over to police. That's so funny. But in doing so, you're kind of

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calling out your own daughter. Yeah. And he's like, I'm sorry, sir, who planted this? I don't know.

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It just began to grow. It just popped up there. Must be naturally occurring. Yeah. Jodi began to

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see her parents as overbearing and nosy. Jodi began to tell her friends that her parents were

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incredibly strict, like they're entirely too strict, and would sometimes garner sympathy by

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exaggerating how her parents treated her. Okay, she's getting attention from that at school now.

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She's like, oh, they abuse me. Okay. She did claim on several occasions that her parents would hit

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the kids with wooden spoons or belts, but this was never cooperated by her siblings ever. Oh my

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God. Yeah, she was like, they beat us. It's like, well, this isn't that extreme just yet, but it

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reminds me of like, people that fake illnesses or like they fake a pregnancy, like for attention.

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Yeah. That's like a big accusation to make. Absolutely. Especially like when the siblings are

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like, we have no idea what she's talking about. Yeah. When Jodi hit her junior year in Wairika High,

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she decided to drop out in order to pursue a career in photography, which is like, you'd

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berate your mom about not finishing college, but you're going to drop out of high school.

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Yeah, exactly. I was just saying that, but she probably thinks she's too smart for high school.

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She's like, you dropped out of college and you're not that smart. I can drop out of high school,

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and I'm still smarter. Still smart. Yeah. She moved out of her parents' house, dyed her hair,

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bleached blonde, and settled in just south of Salinas. So back down in South California. So

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they were in Salinas. They went up to Wairika, and they came back down to Salinas. I don't think I

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mentioned that earlier. My bad. I think you did. Did I? That they've moved to Wairika? Okay.

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Remember you said Carolina? Carolina. Say Carolina. South Carolina.

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She began to work small jobs in photography, and in 2001, Jodi began working as a server at a local

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spa called the Ventana Inn in beautiful Big Sur, California, which I looked at the map, and it's

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like remote and just beaches. It's really nice. Yeah, that's pretty. Here she met food servicing

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manager Darryl Brewer. Darryl was a divorced father of a young son, and he worked at the spa

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several years before Jodi was hired there. The two worked well together. Darryl saying that Jodi was

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a model employee, and after about a year of working together, the two would start a romance in 2003

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after Darryl stepped down from management. So they became equals, and they started dating.

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What's the next line? The two would... No, I thought you were serious. Darryl would introduce Jodi to

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his son, and the two seemed to get along really well, Jodi and the son. Darryl would move to Monterey,

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California, to be closer to Darryl's son and his ex-wife, whom he shared custody of with his son with.

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This also happened to be much closer to where Jodi was living at the time.

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The two would often see each other several times a week, being Darryl and Jodi,

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and their relationship seemed to be progressing nicely. Confident in this, the two decided to

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move in together in about 2004-2005. They moved into a gorgeous three-bedroom home in Palm Desert,

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which was even closer to Darryl's child. Reportedly, the couple were spending $2,800 each in mortgage

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payments. Oh my gosh. That's a very expensive place. Yeah, absolutely. And this didn't include

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the bills, which were also split between the two. That would be expensive now. When was this again?

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This is 2005. Okay, but still. That would still be expensive now. I don't think there's much of an

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exchange rate. Or, I'm sorry, a conversion rate. Probably not. Darryl said about Jodi during this

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time that he had never sensed any jealousy from Jodi whatsoever towards his ex or his child.

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And in fact, she was a great maternal figure for her son, and that they got along very well,

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that she was a very kind and loving person. In February of 2006, Jodi began working another job

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with prepaid legal services while still working as a server at the spa. She was very successful in

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this new position and quickly became passionate about network marketing, also known as multi-level

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marketing. They call it network marketing now. Cute. So you make sure that you don't know

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what you're getting into. You forget about it. Yeah. Jodi and Darryl's relationship began to

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deteriorate, and the couple started having issues within the relationship. Jodi and Darryl, who have

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had a thriving sex life up until this point, seemed to be distancing themselves from one another,

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mostly Jodi pulling away from Darryl. Okay. Darryl also noticed that Jodi wasn't keeping up her half

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of the bills, although she was still maintaining her part of the mortgage. Darryl had thought the

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relationship was headed towards marriage, but at this rate, things weren't looking so hot. Yeah.

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In September of 2006, Jodi would head to Las Vegas to attend a prepaid legal service convention,

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which she was very excited to attend. Here she met the man that would change the course of her life

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forever. You're so funny you always say that lie. I say that. Travis Victor Alexander was born on

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July 28th, 1977, to parents Gary David and Pamela Elizabeth Alexander in Riverside, California.

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Oh my god, LOL actually happy birthday because his birthday will be a day after this case comes out.

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Oh, that's true. Oh, happy birthday Travis. Is he a good guy?

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So he was the second youngest of a blended family containing seven kiddos. Tanisha, Samantha,

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Hillary, Gary Jr., Greg, then Travis and then Steven's the youngest. The fact that you have all

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of his siblings' names is kind of concerning. Yeah, I feel like his siblings are good people.

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Both of Travis's parents did struggle with substance use, unfortunately. This meant that

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the house was sometimes a chaotic one. Often the children were abused and neglected. The

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family struggled financially and Travis was often picked on at school for being poor or not having

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nice clothes and would actually engage in fights regularly with neighborhood bullies. Bricks my

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heart. Travis wrote about this experience in a blog that he had maintained as an adult, quote,

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four days with a house full of kids there isn't any food cooked. We would eat what was there,

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but before long what was edible would be eaten or rot and what was rotten would be eaten too.

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His brother Steven also said that the main source of nutrition in the house most often was usually

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ramen noodles. And that's arguably one of the worst things you can eat for nutrition. Yeah,

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there's so much sodium. There's no value in it. Yeah. When Travis was 10, he ran away to live with

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his grandmother, to which his mother apparently had not a big problem with because eventually in

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1997 his siblings would also move into the grandmother's home after the unfortunate passing of

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Travis's father. Travis was 20 and his father had passed away in a motorcycle accident. After

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living with his grandmother, Travis began to attend church with her and eventually converted to the

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Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or LDS or Mormonism all in the same kind of, well I

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don't want to say it's under the same bracket, but yeah, he converted to LDS. Travis thought at

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first that he would try his hand at comedy for a career because he never really wanted to go to

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college. College wasn't his thing, but eventually Travis realized that he did have a passion for

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public speaking and that he could use this as a tool to motivate others. Bro, having a passion for

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public speaking is wild. Don't even know what that's like. What? The ball's on those guys, seriously.

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We speak all the time in private. I know. Like the fucking festival is going to be a big challenge

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for us to talk to. Well, no, not really because we're not like putting it for a speech, which is

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not going to be a panel. Yeah, but still, like public speaking is not my forte. Right. Travis began

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speaking as a motivational salesman for prepaid legal. Same company that Jodie is working for.

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Sometime in the early 2000s. He quickly found that a young and attractive man who had such a

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great way of looking at life and business could garner some attention, especially from women.

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Travis tried to remain steadfast in his newfound beliefs, but sometimes he found this to be

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difficult and Travis struggled with these two sides of himself. Okay. Nonetheless, Travis was

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successful in his position, even enough to buy a three bedroom house in 2006, in which he was able

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to rent out two rooms to his two roommates, one of which was a man by the name of Zach Billings,

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and he was a good friend of Travis's. Things were going pretty well for Travis. And in September

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2006, Travis would attend a conference in Las Vegas where he would give a motivational speech

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that Jodie Arias just couldn't help but take notice of. Okay. After the speech, Jodie, Travis,

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and a group of coworkers went out to eat dinner at, and I found out at a rainforest cafe, which I

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had to put that on there because that's hilarious. That is hilarious. Rainforest cafe, RIP.

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Geez, throwback. Does there no more rainforest cafes anymore? I don't think so. Email us on

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the snow. I thought there was one at Katie Mall up by Houston. There might be, but RIP to where we

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live in rainforest cafes. Because we had one downtown for a little bit, right? I think there's

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still one in the Vegas strip too. I think that's actually, when we went to Vegas, we went by the

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rainforest cafe. It's probably the same one. Either way, let us know. It's on the strip.

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There was an immediate attraction between the two, and they would exchange information.

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Travis and Jodie made plans to meet up in the future. He was single at this point, correct? Yes.

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At first, Travis thought that he may be able to testify to Jodie about his faith,

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and then help her. Because that's kind of what he did, right? Yeah. He was, again,

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very much into the Mormon faith. One week after they exchanged information, Jodie and Travis would

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meet up in his town of Mesa, Arizona, which is about a cool 10-hour drive from Jodie at this time.

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Oh, awesome. The two had spent hours together and ended up engaging in sex,

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and Jodie would make the drive all the way back to the Monterey area. Just a hop, skip, and a jump.

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Remember Daryl? They're still living together. Yeah. And he's beginning to notice a change in Jodie.

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I wonder why. She began talking about how she wished to become Mormon, and that she realized

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that she's living a life of sin, and that in this already almost sexless relationship,

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it would now become a celibate one, as she wanted to save herself for marriage.

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But you just had sex with Travis. Yes. Okay. Oh, okay. Yes.

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Jodie and Travis would talk every day, constant calls, emails, and meetups, often to engage in

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sex or other sexual activities. Just for Jodie, just to head back to our life with Daryl.

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That's super Mormon of them. Super Mormon. In November, just two months after meeting Travis,

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Jodie decided to give baptized at an LSD church. LSD? LSD church. Oh, really? No.

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She tripped in an LDS church. Mascuse. LSD. Shit. It was one of those dudist churches.

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She's like, what's in the water? What's in the water? Am I in water right now? Yeah.

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It was said by Jodie. She later admitted that this was an attempt to get closer to Travis.

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At the time, she was like, you know, whatever. So by December of 2006, again, a month later,

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Jodie decided to end her relationship with Daryl entirely and move out on her own.

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Okay. Very quick, right? So she met Travis in September. This is already December,

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which I don't even think that Travis knew she was living with anybody.

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Of course not. Probably not. Come February of 2007, Jodie and Travis would officially become a

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couple. Jodie was known by Travis's friends to be a pretty intense person. Oftentimes, she seemed

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inauthentic and they weren't really quite enthused that Travis was dating somebody who seemed to be

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like obsessed with him. Yeah. There was just something about her that really rubbed them

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the wrong way. And one friend even said, quote, she just had to sit right by him. She didn't

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appreciate it when he was talking to another female. She didn't like the fact that there was

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anyone that didn't know that they were together. She wanted to make that very clear. I cannot stand

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people that do that. Like, I have gotten more compliments on the fact that me and Casey can

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be in the same room together and not even like speak for like an hour because they're mingling

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with other people than anything else in our relationship. Like goals. We will go out together.

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We will go to the bar and if we're with our friends, we will just hang out. And if I go to

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the bar to get a drink and some random guy starts talking to me, Casey just sits back there and he's

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like, she can handle herself. She can handle herself. And when she can't, she'll let me know.

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And vice versa. Yeah. And there was even one moment where it was like a new couple friend of ours.

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They had even asked Casey, like, oh, look, there's this guy talking to the, like,

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kind of at the bar, do you want to maybe go over there? And he's like, no, she's a big girl.

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Like she got it. If she needs anything, she'll let me know. I love that. And that's so great.

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Like you have, like, I think that's something that is really the foundation of our relationship,

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is that we can be in the same room and not have to be clung onto each other the whole time.

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Yeah, exactly. I don't get me wrong. I like enjoy that part. But at the same time, you know,

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totally handle, handle your shit in a room and not feel like you have to just have your hand on

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somebody's back pocket. And honestly, I feel like it's a little disrespectful to be like just right

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on top of your partner in front of like company, like your friends as well. Yeah, just a couple

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hanging out with some random people, you know, or by ourselves. Another friend, Taylor Cyril, would

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say, quote, when I first met Jody, we were at his house, meaning Travis's house, on a Sunday evening.

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There were people over from church, and we were all making cookies. She presented herself to me

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as his woman and welcomed me into her house. Oh, hell no. As someone, as someone who has been very

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close with him, she was already trying to make claims on my buddy. And I didn't even know her.

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It really rubbed me the wrong way. There was always small nuances like that. I was just very put off

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by how she was, end quote. She's like, hi, I'm the Mrs. Welcome to my home. And she's like, yeah,

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I've known him for like 15 fucking years. She's wearing an apron. She's pulling out like already

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made cookies from the oven. Yeah, the hell? The oven's not even on. Jody even began to eavesdrop

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on conversations Travis would have on the phone. She would position herself to listen in on his

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conversations no matter what they might pertain. She was even caught several times by his friends

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doing this standing outside of the bathroom when he was in there. Oh my gosh. Like he would go to

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the bathroom and she would stand outside to see if he was making a phone call inside the bathroom.

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So possessive. Right? That's scary. That is scary. It's like usually you're walking on egg shells.

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Yeah, absolutely. You can say anything. She would even also eavesdrop on his friends' conversations

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just to ensure that they weren't talking negatively about her. And what if they were? Well, she'd

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probably be like, you can't hang out with them anymore. That's so annoying. Don't be that girl.

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Don't be that person. Don't you? It doesn't have to be a girl. Don't be that person.

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She was exhibiting stalker-ish behavior and everyone seemed to notice and the only person

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that didn't seem to notice was Jody. Oh, I was like Travis. Yeah. Another friend once told Travis,

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quote, Travis, I'm afraid we're going to find you chopped up in our freezer. End quote. That's a

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really, really big accusation to me. I'm sure it's like said as a joke, but also he's like,

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haha, you're going to get murdered. LOL. Oh God, you don't know this story. Okay. I don't. I told you.

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You're always like, you definitely know this story. I'm like, no, don't maybe, you know what?

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I want at least one listener to say, I haven't heard this story. That's me.

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I volunteer. You're the one that's going to write the email. Yeah. Oh, thanks so much for

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bringing this case. I've never heard it before. I've never heard it. Loved it.

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Travis had defended Jody and their relationship up until this point, even telling some friends

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that Jody was to be his future wife. So kind of back up, y'all. Yeah. Travis said about Jody

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in an email quote, I went from intrigued by her to interested in her to caring about her deeply

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to realizing how lucky I would be to have her as my partner in my life forever. She is amazing.

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It's not hard to see that whoever scores Jody, whether it be me or someone else,

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is going to win the wife lotto end quote. So he really did love her. But apparently. It's another

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thing as well. You can't really see how poorly you're being treated or how controlling,

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manipulative, whatever their partner's being because you're so close to it. Yeah. And once you

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take a step back, you realize, I don't have that personal experience with relationships like boyfriend,

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but I do have that personal experience with friends. Yeah. I was way too close to the situation.

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I distanced myself from that person and then I was able to realize how manipulative they actually

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were and are. Yeah. Yeah. You just probably doesn't know, you know, because he's so close to it.

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You're right. I totally agree with that. Definitely. I've been in that situation myself.

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And I feel like that's how a lot of relationships like this go. And I feel like, you know,

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a lot of people are so quick to say, you know, oh, if I was in a God forbid domestic violence

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situation and a relationship, I would leave. I don't know how someone stays there. And it's

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like, you don't know because you don't realize that it's actually as bad as it is because you're

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so close to it. Absolutely. I did that for many, many years. Yeah. All those relationships,

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I feel like, can be related in that sense. So by June of that same year, 2007, Jody's behavior

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had become bizarre and erratic. Jody would snoop through Travis's things just to break into

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Travis's email account and social media account, which I think at this time was, well, I think

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it's Facebook. Well, the iPhone came out in 2007, so they already got smartphones and she is true.

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No. I feel like this is like 1984. So after finding his passwords, any correspondences that

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she found between Travis and another woman was met with an email from Jody warning them to stay

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away from Travis. Even if they were friends, church members, somebody from work, you better stay

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away from my man and pee all over him. I can't stand that. Like I've only seen like screenshots

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of shit like that. Someone's like, hey, do you have that math homework from this past weekend?

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Like I was out or this past week, like I was out. And then he's like, this is my boyfriend,

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don't text him. He's like, okay, cool. So do you have the math homework? I just need the

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fucking notes. I just need the notes. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, she's 27 at this point just to give you

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a total understanding and acting like a 14 year old. Like a jealous 16 year old. Yeah. Travis

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wasn't able to ignore Jody's increasingly disturbing behavior any longer. And he decided to end

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the relationship. Although the two would keep in contact. Travis was also struggling with remaining

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true to his Mormon faith. And the guilt was getting to him about engaging in premarital sex,

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especially since it seemed like his friends and his family had no idea that him and Jody were

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intimate. Ironically, Jody was essentially crossing herself off his potential wife list,

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which is the opposite of what she was trying to accomplish. Yeah. And this is by her continuing

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to participate and sometimes force Travis into engage in sexual activity. Oh, shit. You know,

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if you think about it that way, like he's like, I want to be this good Mormon person. She converted

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to Mormonism. But at the same time, it's like, I want to be with her, but I can't be with her

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because we engage in sex. And that's not part of my religion. It just she's not practicing the

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religion like no, exactly. And like, or the way that he wants to. And so it's just ironic that

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her forcing him or maybe force isn't like co-corusing him into participating in this because

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she thinks it makes her desirable is actually the turn off the one thing like you can't get over.

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Yeah, that's interesting. So again, Travis has decided to break up with Jody. And surprisingly,

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and Jody's response to this breakup is probably not one you'd expect. Jody decided to pack up and

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move to Mesa, Arizona. Apparently about a mile down the street from Travis. She moved from

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California to Arizona after they broke up to get to maybe I'll just like run into him at the grocery

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store or just run into him, you know, on his street and he'll be like, oh my gosh, I just totally

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miss you. I totally forgot how much I loved you. That's probably her fucking plan. She's like, if

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we're like within a mile of each other living, there's we've got to run into each other at some

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point. It wouldn't take long for the relationship to become sexual again. Sometimes Jody would just

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show up unannounced or even on several occasions, Travis would wake up in the middle of the night

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to Jody in his bed performing oral sex on him while he slept. How was she getting inside?

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She knew the code to the garage. And he was just like, cool? No. This is after she had made

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entrance through the garage door using a code and at least one occasion after using a doggie door

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shut to access the house. I'm not even kidding. She's like, he won't be mad at me if I suck his

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dick. Let's go in and I'll just give him a head and he'll wake up and he'll be like, oh, okay,

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you can stay. That's fucking nuts. It's creepy. Rape. It's absolutely fucking rape. Absolutely

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fucking rape. And it's like also B and E. Maybe not B, but E. Definitely an E. E for sure.

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Fucked up. Like, ew. So this obviously made Travis his friends and roommates even more uncomfortable

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as they often saw Jody coming and going in the middle of the night and became suspicious of

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her intentions with Travis. Bro, I would like board up that doggie door, be like, sorry dude,

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you gotta go outside, like just let me know if you got a piece going through the doggie door,

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like bark bark bark. Oh my gosh. That is- Change the fucking garage code.

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You imagine waking up in the middle of the night to somebody in your bed. I don't care who the

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fuck it is. Assaulting you. Assaulting you. Like, I don't care who the fuck it is. It's a fucking

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golden state shit. Ugh. Travis would sometimes protest this, but mostly would give in to temptation

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whenever Jody would show up. Oh my gosh. Again, they aren't together, so eventually Travis found

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interest in another woman named Lisa. When Jody found out that Travis was seeing this woman,

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she waited for Travis and Lisa to show up to his place and in an effort to scare her off,

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Jody began to bang on the doors and windows. Like, that's so childish. That's so childish.

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I'm pretty sure Lisa's like, hey, are you expecting company? And he's like, no, she's like, oh,

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that's weird. Yeah, but what is Travis gonna say? Oh, that's just my StockRex girlfriend.

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Yeah, for real. Like, that would totally turn somebody off. That's true. On two occasions,

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Travis's tires were slashed while he was dating Lisa, although this was never confirmed to be

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the work of Jody. But it was. But it was. But it was. After months of this and now April of 2008,

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Travis was able to convince Jody that it would be best for her to take some rest back in Wairoika,

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California. Yeah, go home, bitch. Again, very northern California to stay with her grandmother.

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This was almost a year since the breakup. So all that stuff had happened. Oh my gosh. Yeah,

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because that would have been April and then it was, what did I say? June is when they broke up.

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So an entire year of this shit. I bet his roommates are like, bro, like, this isn't my

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fucking problem. This is your lady, like, figured out, right? Get a restraining order. And it's not

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his fault either. You know what I mean? It's definitely her. But if I was roommates, I'd be

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like, dude, like, come on, like, this is getting fucking out of hand. Jody agreed to this and

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Travis was elated. He told his friends and family he was excited to really focus on work, church,

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and ultimately be able to date the right kind of girls and hopefully find his future wife.

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Sweet. This did not stop Travis from corresponding with Jody, however. And the two would regularly

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share nude photos of each other and have phone sex. Okay, you can't be like, leave me alone and then

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go for it again. Like, or just this clear, this girl is clearly not a side chick, right? Like,

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she's not cool with being a side, she's not cool with being a side, like, stop making her the

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side bitch. She's not cool with it. She's clearly not cool with it. Like, yeah, you're not going to get

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off your first online order. By the following months, text exchanged between the two got heated,

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but not in a fun way. Oh god. The two were arguing over the state of their relationship

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when Travis exploded on Jodi saying that she ruined his life and that she was a sociopath.

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He was totally done with her. And even after this, Jodi claimed that the house that she was living in,

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her grandmother's house at the time, was burglarized and perpetrators took a 25 caliber gun from the

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house. But this was still not enough to garner any attention from Travis. Travis was like done.

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He's like, yeah, I'm done, but I'll hit you up in like three or four days for sex.

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Well, I don't know about that. I mean, that's what it sounds like in the beginning. Well, yeah, for

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sure. But she was like, you know, talk to me like, oh my gosh, the house is burglarized. Like, yeah,

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making catfishing. I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant. So again, Travis has at this point,

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been looking forward to dating again. Travis met a woman by the name of Mimi,

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and Mimi and Travis had been on a date or two prior, but Mimi didn't really have a lot of

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interest in seriously dating Travis, especially after learning that he had a stalker. Yeah.

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This time around, however, Travis had decided to invite Mimi on a trip to Cancun, Mexico.

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Maybe the two would have an opportunity for them to get to know each other without all the

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complications of the past. There's no way Jodie can find us there. Just saying. I'm just saying.

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Travis also invited a couple friends of his, and this is Chris and Skye Hughes. So another couple.

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Chris and Skye would leave for a few days before Travis and Mimi would arrive, and then the four

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of them had plans to meet up on June 10th of 2008. This is like fun, right? Just like a couple's

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thing. I love a good couple's weekend. Right. I want a couple's weekend. Or a couple's night or

376
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something. I don't want a couple's dinner. I feel like that's too intimate. It would have to be like

377
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a couple's vacation. Because couple's dinner is like the best. Really? I think so. I feel like

378
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that's kind of awkward if you're just talking across. Well, I guess it would have to be like

379
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,360
three couples. I feel like that's better than two couples. Yeah, for sure. No. Otherwise,

380
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it would be like a double date. Like a double date dinner. I feel like that's a little. Double

381
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:02,160
date dinner is kind of weird. That's a little weird. Triple D. A little weird. Triple D. A little weird. Don't do it. Triple D. Double date dinner. Oh,

382
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:10,880
double date dinner. Yeah, don't do it. So again, on the night of the fourth, Mimi was texting Travis,

383
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kind of talking about flight plans, what to pack, what kind of things they were going to do,

384
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but there would ultimately be no response from Travis. Skye and Chris leading up to the trip

385
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,680
tried calling Travis after hearing that Mimi was having trouble getting a hold of him. Chris

386
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:31,120
left a voicemail that week saying about this quote, I said, T dog, you better be dead, bro.

387
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,520
Yeah, like I was joking, but call me back, you know, like where why are you dissing me?

388
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,200
Why aren't you calling me back? And I said to Skye, something's wrong. End quote.

389
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You better be dead, bro. Complete side note really quick. I was a little co-worker of mine

390
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,360
a long time ago. I was probably like 19 or 20 and we went to a house party and we both drove home

391
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,960
separately and she didn't show up to work the next morning. We were supposed to go to work.

392
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,120
And I literally texted her something like that. I was like, are you alive because like,

393
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,400
where are you? Like you're not at work. Yeah. And then I found out like an hour later that she was

394
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in the hospital because her boyfriend got in a car wreck the night before she was fine.

395
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,040
Oh my gosh. But it scared the shit out of me. I was like, oh my god, like I texted her like,

396
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:14,240
are you alive? And she might like not be like, imagine that fucking feeling like it was so scary.

397
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:18,480
And at this point, Chris and Skye are in Cancun waiting for him. Yeah, I couldn't even fucking

398
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:25,760
do anything. Can't do anything. Oh my god. By June 9th, Mimi had had enough with Travis supposedly

399
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,800
ignoring or ghosting her essentially. Yeah. So she, especially because they were supposed to leave

400
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,920
from Mexico the next day on the 10th. Yeah. She went to Travis's house and began banging on the

401
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:42,560
front door. With no reply, she became not upset but more worried at this point. Oh my god. She

402
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,240
called her roommate or her best friend. I couldn't really, at some accounts that it was a friend,

403
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:51,040
some accounts that it was a roommate and her boyfriend to come over to Travis's house in

404
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,480
order for the three of them to investigate. I would do the same thing. I would not want to go

405
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,720
in alone. I wouldn't want to go in alone. Eventually Mimi would gain access to the house

406
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:02,480
through the garage after contacting one of Travis's friends who gave her the code.

407
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,640
And they were immediately greeted with the smell of death upon entering the home.

408
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,680
Where are his roommates? Walking through the house, they heard loud music coming from one of the

409
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,880
bedrooms. Mimi knocks on the door and one of Travis's roommates, Zach Billings, opens the

410
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:22,000
door to find three strangers in his house. Shut up. Zach's girlfriend was also over and once

411
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:30,320
Mimi asked where Travis was, Zach responded with, well, he's in Mexico. Mimi further explained that

412
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Travis hadn't been heard of since the fourth and that in fact she's the one that he's going to

413
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Mexico with, but I can't get ahold of him, right? Oh my god. Zach produces a spare key for Travis's

414
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:47,520
room once discovering that it was locked. When Zach opens the door, he's met by a horrific scene.

415
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:52,240
Blood covered the walls of the hallway that was leading into Travis's bedroom.

416
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,680
They travel down the hallway as a group and they enter the bedroom, eventually the master bathroom,

417
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:05,040
where slumped down in the shower was the body of Travis Alexander. Oh my gosh. He had been stabbed

418
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:13,440
27 to 29 times, shot in the head with a 25 caliber and his throat had been slit. Oh my god, that's so

419
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:20,080
brutal. Brutal. And complete fucking overkill. Complete overkill, absolutely. And I'm sorry,

420
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:26,560
25 caliber? That's really weird that she has like a text message proof that she said something else.

421
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:34,320
Her house was robbed and the 25 caliber was missing. That was her alibi. Oh my gosh. They're like, oh,

422
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:39,600
you know, well, I don't want to say she yet, but. Well, her name is the name of the episode, so

423
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:48,240
I'm assuming. What the setup, right, is that she's like, oh, well, if someone took this gun and it

424
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:55,280
matches the gun that kills Travis, they clearly have to have an alibi as far as like why that would

425
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,840
happen. Well, because the gun was stolen. Just happened to be used to kill my ex-boyfriend that

426
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:05,680
lives in Mesa when I live in Wairika. And he's claimed to multiple people probably via text

427
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:12,320
messages. She's a fucking stalker. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Immediately, everyone exits the house

428
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:18,160
and Zach calls 911 to report that he's found his roommate deceased. Oh my god. Police arrive on

429
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,080
scene and when asked how Zach didn't know there was a dead man in his house for five days. Yeah,

430
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:27,200
I was just thinking that. Zach said he attributed the smell to just bachelors being bachelors.

431
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:33,520
Sometimes dishes go unmade, trash piles up, and each roommate usually keeps it themselves in

432
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:41,040
their own room. Plus, this is a pretty big house. Yeah. And not that he couldn't smell it, but the

433
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,920
way that the bedrooms look like they were set up is like almost behind a door. There was a long

434
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:51,520
hallway that would get to a bedroom. It's almost like an apartment living type situation, but in a

435
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:57,280
house. So it made sense. Not totally unheard of, right? Yeah. And if I was the girlfriend, I'd be

436
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,480
like, bro, I was here. Yeah, there's something sad underneath your... For like five days. Well, I mean,

437
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:09,680
there was that time that I smelled something fucking dead outside and it went away within like two

438
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,080
days, but it's like, you know, after a day, it's like, holy crap. Yeah. But you just assume it's

439
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,400
like a dead animal or something, right? Yeah, exactly like an attic or something. Ugh. That's

440
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,440
just awful that he was left there for five days. That's so horrific. Fucking awful. Police begin

441
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:29,280
to process the scene, noting that long brown hairs are found on the floor covered in blood. Oh my

442
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:35,200
god, how convenient. A bloody palm print was on the wall of the hallway and a digital camera was in

443
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:41,520
the washing machine. The washing machine? Having been washed. That's the best way you could think

444
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,400
of to dispose of that? Sure. Yeah. Well, they tried to look at it. Of course, it wouldn't work. Yeah.

445
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:53,200
But yeah. When they did eventually look at the Sims card, everything had been deleted. So it took

446
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,560
some forensic, what do they call that? Like forensic computing, you know. When asking the

447
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,520
witnesses who found Travis, they had, they asked them if they had any idea of who would want to

448
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,640
hurt Travis and it didn't take long for someone to pipe up and say the name Jody Arias. Everybody

449
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,120
immediately was like Jody. It's her. It's Jody. It's Jody. Yeah, the roommates like, yeah, I was the

450
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,960
one that literally said like, I'm afraid you're gonna get chopped up into a million fucking pieces.

451
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,280
Right. Yeah, it's her. It was another friend, but still. I know, I'm just saying like,

452
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:26,800
that's pretty fucking obvious. It was her. It was obvious. Within hours of finding Travis's body,

453
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:32,640
Jody actually called the Mesa Police Department to ask about the case. Shut up. Hours.

454
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,760
She's like, hey, so did you find him? Hey, so did you find him? What kind of evidence do you have?

455
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,960
Well, she waited five whole days. She waited five whole days. Shit, this is, this is the chick that

456
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:50,160
is so nuts about him that she can't stand to not, not talk to him. Yeah. But she goes five days.

457
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:57,520
She's definitely extremely mentally ill. She had heard from a friend that Travis had passed away.

458
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,480
And this is where Jody began to journal.

459
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:10,400
Quote, Tuesday, 1250 AM-ish, June 10th, 2008. Dan Freeman just called. I was excited to hear

460
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,360
from him. I immediately began to see how I might be making a trip out there soon, and he softly

461
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,480
responded with yes. I think you're going to have to make a trip out here soon. Then he told me,

462
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,760
it was about Travis, but he couldn't really tell me anything. He just said something was wrong.

463
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,560
I don't know what's going on and I need some answers. I'm praying that there's been some kind

464
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:37,920
of a mistake. I tried calling his phone. Nothing. For the first time ever, I've called. His voicemail

465
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:44,240
box is full. For some reason, Disneyland keeps flashing in my mind. At night, maybe because

466
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:50,560
that's the last time we were there, I called Brent's number over and over. Nothing. I'm going crazy,

467
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:58,320
and I feel so helpless being all the way here in California. End quote. Okay. She's creating

468
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,280
herself a little baby alibi right now. It's like an entire fucking narrative of an alibi. It's like,

469
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:10,400
here's the time. It's like in California. I'm here right now. I'm here right now in California.

470
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:18,560
So I'm sorry, if I just found out that the person that I love and admire was even hurt,

471
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,960
I wouldn't take the time to fucking journal about it. Yeah. I would be heading there to find out what

472
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,320
happened. Yeah. I'm just going to go ahead and write down all my fucking thoughts. Gotta make

473
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,800
myself look innocent. Yeah. Gotta put my fucking alibi out there. Just make sure. Another entry.

474
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:38,720
Quote, Tuesday, 3am, June 10th, 2008. This is horrendous. The most awful thing I've ever had

475
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:44,720
to deal with, and I am in total shock right now. It hasn't fully hit me. This can't really be real.

476
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:50,160
It just can't be happening. I spoke with Bishop Layton. He confirmed that Travis is dead.

477
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:58,080
What happened? Travis, what is this? End quote. Ew. Ew. I'm sorry. What happened? I'm pretty sure

478
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:04,160
you can answer that yourself. You can probably answer that. Thanks. Mm-mm. Quote, Wednesday,

479
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:11,520
6-11-08. I've been numb mostly, but last night was extremely hard. I broke down as I finally

480
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:18,160
brought myself around to go to bed. It was 2.30am. I wanted so badly to call Travis, but knowing he

481
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:24,640
couldn't answer was too much to bear, and I know he wasn't calling me anytime soon. It's just killing

482
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:31,600
me. I broke down as I climbed into bed, and I cried and cried and cried and cried until I fell asleep.

483
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:37,040
End quote. No, you didn't, because your last journal entry said 3am, and you just said that you

484
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,280
went to bed at 2.30am. This is the next day. But she said the previous night she went to bed at 2.30am,

485
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:48,960
but the last journal entry said 3am on the previous night. Well, that was Tuesday at midnight,

486
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,280
so this would have been Monday, technically. You know what I'm saying? Well, I just don't believe

487
00:45:53,280 --> 00:46:00,560
her anyway. She's a liar, so... She's a liar. That's okay. I'm sorry. And also the line about, like,

488
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:06,960
I don't think he's going to be calling me anytime soon. Yeah, because you fucking killed him,

489
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:14,880
so he's not going to call you ever. He's dead. That's awful. Quote, Travis, I have so much to

490
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:20,800
thank you for. I'm grateful that I seized the opportunity to do so on so many occasions. Being

491
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:26,800
aware that you were a words of affirmation kind of guy. Thank you for all you've done for me.

492
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,920
Thank you for opening your home to me, and more times than I could count. My refrigerator is

493
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:37,280
your refrigerator. Thank you for all the times you called me up in the early evening and told me to

494
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:43,200
go outside and look at the sunset. Travis, this can't really be real. I know you hated that kind of

495
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:48,960
thinking. After we broke up, I stopped wearing the CTR ring you gave me, but it's back on my finger

496
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:55,200
now. I didn't have the slightest clue that when we met at the rainforest cafe, that you'd have such

497
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:01,520
a lasting and profound impact on my life. It seems fitting that we should meet at the rainforest

498
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:08,480
cafe. Being the environmentally forward people that we are, you care so much about this planet,

499
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,920
always encouraging us to take care of it, reminding us it's the role in God's eternal plan.

500
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,480
Thank you for believing in my skills as a photographer and as an artist.

501
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:26,640
So two things. One, again, I repeat, she's very clearly mentally ill because she's writing to

502
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:33,360
somebody that she knows she murdered. I feel like this goes beyond an alibi. This is now

503
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:41,840
like delusion. It's creating this narrative still. Yeah, exactly. I think that it was very much,

504
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,480
if I can't have Travis, no one can. No one can. This is her still talking to Travis.

505
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,680
Yes. She still owns him. Exactly. Number two, what did you say, a CTR ring?

506
00:47:51,680 --> 00:48:00,720
A CTR ring. I looked it up and it's a ring that stands for Choose the Right and it's an LDS thing.

507
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,960
It's essentially she's saying, when we broke up, I took it off because I don't want to...

508
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,640
She was clearly only affiliated with the religion because of him. Then she's like,

509
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,240
and I wear it all the time now that I know, and it's been two days or whatever.

510
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:18,080
Yeah. Oh yeah. Three days. All the time. Yeah. No, I wear it. Yeah. No, I'll never take it off.

511
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:24,560
Yeah. Dang, no, it's very clearly a delusion. She's going through it. She's going through it.

512
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:33,520
That was a complete overkill, complete rage killing, in my opinion. And she's over here like,

513
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,200
oh my god, I'm gonna miss you forever. My refrigerator's your refrigerator. If you're a

514
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,920
murderer, you're a murderer. You're still environmentally, like we care about the planet. And she's talking to him like he's still present.

515
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:47,280
Yeah. When pulled in for questioning, Jodi claimed that it would have been impossible for her to be in Mesa,

516
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:52,400
California, as she was actually at a guy's house who lived in Utah at the time of the murder. Where's the guy?

517
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:58,640
Ryan Burns was interviewed by police who stated that yes, Jodi had come to see him in Salt Lake City,

518
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:05,280
Utah, but on the fifth, a day after she was supposed to arrive. Yikes. Worried when Jodi didn't show up

519
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:11,680
on the fourth, Ryan had tried to call Jodi several times, but with each time, her phone went straight to voicemail.

520
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,080
When she arrived, she claimed that her phone had been dead the whole time.

521
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:24,160
Ryan also noticed that Jodi had cuts all over her hands. Oh. Furthermore, Jodi was now brunette instead of blonde.

522
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:31,520
God, like she had been blonde this whole time. Can you be more fucking obvious? I think she dyed her

523
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:36,080
hair because if she were to sneak in and a roommate were to see her, it couldn't possibly be Jodi that

524
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,080
came into his bedroom that night. You know what I mean? That's a good point. I was thinking that she

525
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,920
dyed her hair after the fact because she was like, okay, I can get away now or whatever.

526
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,960
Again, this is all happening on the fourth. The fourth was the day of the crime. Jodi was supposed to,

527
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,200
she had made plans with Ryan saying, I'm going to come see you on the fourth. Didn't hear from her

528
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:58,400
until the next day or early the next day. So yes. She ended up staying the night and the two

529
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,360
engaged in sex several times before heading back to Ayureka. Can you believe, can you imagine how

530
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:08,640
gross that guy probably feels? He's like, I literally had sex with her like less than 12 hours after

531
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:15,120
she killed someone. Yeah. I don't even know. Yeah. And she was like, oh, I'm just going to pretend

532
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,520
like everything's great and normal and I didn't just murder my fucking ex-boyfriend. I just had sex

533
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,880
with you. Clearly she loved Travis so much. She loved Travis so much. She clearly loved him so much.

534
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:30,560
She's like a black widow, I guarantee if Ryan and her remained as a couple, he might have been

535
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:37,600
another victim. Yeah. So she again stayed the night and then she went back to Ayureka the next

536
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:43,840
morning. Phone records indicated that Jodi called Travis's phone several times on her way back to

537
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:52,000
Ayureka from Salt Lake, leaving voicemails and even at some point accessing his voicemail

538
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,720
to listen to her and other messages left on Travis's phone. People that were desperately

539
00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:02,160
looking for Travis. She was trying to see who was calling, who was aware that he was missing,

540
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,800
or not answering. And she was probably trying to make sure that her voicemail sounded genuine.

541
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:12,320
Yes. She probably listened back, deleted it, and then whatever. But her phone records indicated

542
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:19,840
that she accessed his voicemails. That's so icky. During all of this investigative time,

543
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,000
labs were processing the bloodstains, palm prints, and camera recovered from the scene.

544
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:30,240
The blood was a mixture of areas and Travis's. The palm print belonged to areas,

545
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:34,080
and the camera held the most damning evidence of all. I said they were deleted.

546
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:39,040
They were deleted, but they went through like that. Like I told you, the forensic computing stuff.

547
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,800
Or anal, whatever, forensic technology. Something like that. Something like that.

548
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:52,320
You know. No, I don't. Nude photos were taken between the hours of 1.30pm and 5.30pm

549
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,920
of Travis and areas in provocative and lewd positions. Together?

550
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,840
Together. Including in the shower, where Travis was ultimately found.

551
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,600
So she went all the way down to Mesa, California,

552
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:14,640
engaged in sex with Travis. Was there for four hours while they were taking photos of

553
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:21,920
each other? Being, you know, having sex or doing stuff. And some of the pictures that

554
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,880
some of the last on the camera roll were of Travis in the shower where he was murdered.

555
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:33,680
Like, pictures. So she literally took a photo of him, set the camera down, and then murdered him.

556
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:43,280
Oh my god. Well, sort of. Okay, well. So just moments after the last photo of Travis alive,

557
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:50,480
there were two more photographs taken. One of which seemed to be snapped as Jodi dropped the camera

558
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,280
out of her hands because you can kind of see her-ish. You can see someone with dark hair.

559
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:03,520
And everything's really dimly lit. The second of which is Jodi's foot. Her leggings clearly visible

560
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:08,160
with what appears to be a dead or dying Travis bleeding profusely on the ground.

561
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:14,160
She didn't mean to take that one? No. What investigators assume is that she kicked it to move it out of the way,

562
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,160
and it snapped a shot because there's no flash on. She wouldn't have known.

563
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:24,160
Oh my god. So one is like her either dropping the camera or something, and she tried to catch it.

564
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:29,120
And then another one is like after she kicked it. I'm not trying to say like that's a good thing,

565
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:34,720
but like how lucky. Like that's so damning. It's damning. Like you can't refuse.

566
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:38,480
Oh my god. You can't argue that. Yeah, you can't argue that.

567
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:45,120
Jesus. And this dumb lady doesn't even know that that's there. Yeah.

568
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:50,400
Or she- Yeah, she might have not noticed or did it really quickly or something, you know?

569
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,280
Yeah, or just deleted like everything at once without even looking through the photos.

570
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:58,240
Yeah, like a delete all or something. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely incredible.

571
00:53:58,240 --> 00:53:59,360
That's so wild.

572
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:06,000
After 24 hours of being held in a jail cell, Jodi was ready to talk. But would she give the truth?

573
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:12,960
Oh no. Jodi claimed that yes, she did go visit Travis the day of June the third,

574
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,280
and while in his home, two intruders would come bursting in, threatening Jodi and ultimately

575
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:23,360
killing Travis. You just weren't going to mention that to like any of his friends or

576
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:28,480
roommates or anything? For five to six days, no. You think that the roommates might have,

577
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:33,600
I don't know, heard that people were brutally murdering someone after breaking into their home?

578
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:38,560
No. No. Her explanation for not being harmed was that the intruder said, quote,

579
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:43,040
she's not who we came here for, end quote. Oh my god, like a fucking movie. It's a movie.

580
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,320
Yeah. You're not the one I'm here for. Sorry, just not to the fucking thing.

581
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,440
Police rejected this claim as there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that anyone else had

582
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:57,280
perpetrated this crime and arrested Jodi on first degree murder charges July 9th, 2008,

583
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:02,240
which is Jodi's 28th birthday. He's like, hmm, the doggy door looks a little suspiciously pushed

584
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:07,120
over. Dang, that sucks on her birthday too, but hey, she fucking did it.

585
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:14,240
Jeez. During her trial, Jodi changed her story again to include that she killed Travis in self-defense.

586
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:19,520
Yeah. Okay. So we're going to believe you now that you lied to us twice and now you're going to

587
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,720
make up a story about how it was self-defense. Well, it was self-defense. Now I don't fucking

588
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:27,600
believe you. Her defense team maintained that Travis was emotionally, mentally, and physically

589
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:33,440
abusive towards Jodi and that Jodi had no other choice but to kill Travis to avoid further abuse.

590
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,360
How about all the character witnesses on his behalf? Right? Because there's a lot.

591
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:42,800
Yeah, there's a lot. Sure there is. Prosecution argued that Travis would not have possibly

592
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,280
been abusing Jodi, especially if she lived many states away and therefore was away from abuse.

593
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:53,440
Defense argued that it's just how controlling Travis was. He forced Jodi to make the trip since

594
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:59,520
she was still being brainwashed even states away, threatening to expose her nude photographs and

595
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:04,080
sell her reputation like she doesn't like she doesn't already do that. Yeah, just make the

596
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:09,520
victim look like the bad guy. Yeah, we love that. Jodi's defense even went so far to claim that

597
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:18,000
Travis was a pedophile and that Jodi was suffering from PTSD from all of the abuse.

598
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:25,760
I can't fucking stand when I know that defense attorneys are just doing their job, but I can't

599
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:33,120
fucking stand when they use the victim as the perpetrator. Like after death, like they're not

600
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:38,720
there to defend themselves for a reason. The prosecution agreed, yeah, Jodi does have a mental

601
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:44,000
disorder, but it's not PTSD. Instead, their psychologist who evaluated Jodi said that she

602
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,840
would likely qualify for having borderline personality disorder if anything. That's what

603
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,840
I was thinking. Absolutely. And also not to mention like if it was self-defense, like why

604
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:57,120
did she say that 27 times and then cut his throat and then what else did she do? Shoot him. Shoot

605
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:03,040
him. Yeah, that's self-defense. Okay. Either way, what was absolutely clear was that on the 2nd of

606
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:08,640
June, Jodi rented a car and the following day stopped by her ex-boyfriend's house. Remember,

607
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:16,000
Darryl? Oh no. She asked to borrow two gas cans. Darryl, assuming that he was just helping Jodi

608
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:23,440
out, obliged. Jodi then took the 15-hour long trip to Travis in Mesa, where Jodi killed Travis

609
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:29,600
after hours of intimacy. She then took the drive 10 hours up to Salt Lake City, where she visited

610
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:36,160
and engaged in sexual activity with Ryan Burns, then drove back to Ireka another 11 hours. In

611
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:43,280
total, she clocked 2,800 miles on the rental car. So you're telling me that she drove 15 hours.

612
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:49,760
She had 15 hours to reconsider from when she left Darryl's house to when she got to Travis.

613
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,160
Not 15, I'm sorry, 19, because she was with Travis for four hours before she killed him.

614
00:57:54,160 --> 00:58:00,080
So she had almost an entire day to reconsider if not months before, because who knows how long she

615
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:05,040
was planning this. And I think that it's because she found out that Travis and Mimi were going on

616
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,680
a trip together. Well, God forbid Mimi was there when she showed up, you know? Like who knows,

617
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,160
she could have been a victim as well. People had said that if a girl was with him though,

618
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:21,440
she wouldn't do it. She needed to get him alone. Just because of who she was with that borderline

619
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:27,360
personality disorder. She wanted others to see good things about her. That's true. She meticulously

620
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:32,880
planned this. She would not have been able to follow through if someone was with him. Jesus.

621
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:37,360
That's so fucking scary. She took the two gas cans so she didn't have to fill up the car.

622
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,640
Oh, I see. I was thinking she was going to try to burn the place down or something.

623
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:44,400
No. She just didn't want to have a paper trail or anything like that.

624
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,240
Well, she fucked up. She took all those photos. Well, that's the thing. She lost all those voice

625
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:55,360
emails. They say ultimately she tried to commit the perfect crime, but it was because it was

626
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,400
committed by Jodi Arias, essentially. Yeah. That's why it wasn't the perfect crime.

627
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:04,720
Yes. So the photos and all that other stuff. So essentially that's kind of what the defense said

628
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:11,280
too, to piggyback off your point, that she had 19 hours to think about this, what changed.

629
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:17,680
And so the defense had said it was because during these intimate moments when she was

630
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:22,800
taking photos of Travis while he was in the shower, that she accidentally dropped the camera.

631
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:28,880
And that's where you see that one where it's kind of like an upward angle, that that's where that

632
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:34,800
snap was taken and that Travis attacked her. Like got mad at her. Got mad at her for dropping the

633
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:41,520
camera. Okay. Yeah. That's what changed. But I agree with you. I think that she knew what she

634
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:46,240
was going to do and because she had planned it. You know why? Why all the gas cans or whatever.

635
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:51,440
Yeah. Well, also she probably knew about his trip to Mexico somehow, some way. Yeah. She probably

636
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:56,480
thought that maybe if he left for Mexico, then she was really going to lose him forever because he

637
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:02,080
would spend this much time with this woman, you know, and or maybe fucking stay there longer or

638
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:06,960
whatever, you know, that she was thinking. It was noted that when she returned the rental car,

639
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,960
the floor mats were missing and reddish brownish stains could be found on the driver's seat.

640
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,560
Although police weren't able to collect any evidence because the car had been detailed after

641
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:23,040
that. So this was just a witness. Yeah. Arias decided to take the stand in her own defense.

642
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:29,440
That was always a great idea. Always great idea. And in an emotionless display, she described how

643
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:34,240
abusive Travis was to her, claiming that her position in the relationship was to satisfy

644
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:41,520
Travis so that he would not commit indecent acts with children. What a hero. I can't fucking deal

645
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:47,600
with that shit. At other times, she described what a beautiful relationship they had. So when

646
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:52,240
you watch the tapes, it's almost like you can see there's this last bit of control that she has over

647
01:00:52,240 --> 01:01:00,080
Travis's narrative. And she's controlling about their relationship. It's just very, very gross.

648
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,440
Travis's brother, Steven, said about this quote, her mission was basically to murder my brother

649
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:15,040
again for a second time by destroying his reputation. Damn, that's heavy. Right. But it's true. It is.

650
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,880
She's trying to just, I mean, he's not here to defend himself. She's pretty much saying, like,

651
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,360
well, even if I did kill him, like he deserved it. Cause he was a piece of shit. Yeah. That's so

652
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,680
fucked up. I can't even, oh my God, I can't even believe that. Have you ever seen, you've seen Dexter?

653
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:33,680
You know that one episode where the guy winds up dead and then the wife is like all distraught

654
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:38,240
and she's like, we took this photo on our honeymoon and Quinn is like, oh, you want to take something

655
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:42,880
of his? Like she's like really upset. And Debra is like, no, like she's, she's fucking, she did it.

656
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,920
Yeah. And Quinn's like, yeah, I knew the whole time, but I was just trying to like make her

657
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:50,080
understand. And Debra was like, oh, this is a really great photo. Did you get a chance to see it

658
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,600
before you killed him? And it's like, like literally like the same thing. Like she's like

659
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,760
acting like this distraught woman. Right. Who someone came in and attacked, but her story

660
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:02,720
doesn't fucking add up. It doesn't, it doesn't add up at all. But essentially by what Steven was saying,

661
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:08,160
that she was, she's essentially revictimizing the family all over again. And Travis, which is just

662
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:15,760
oh, tremendous. Kiss me off. On May 7th, 2013, Jody Ann Arias was found guilty on first degree

663
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:22,000
murder after 15 hours of deliberation. Wow. She was found eligible for the death penalty,

664
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:27,520
as the crime was exceptionally brutal. Travis's cause of death was actually the slash to his

665
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:34,080
throat, meaning that the stabbing and the gunshot was overkill. Like we had mentioned earlier.

666
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:39,520
I want to say that like, if I can just like speculate, she stabbed him first and then she

667
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:44,800
slid his throat and then she shot him, I think. So I think what, I don't know how she did it or how

668
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:50,400
she got him in this position. Essentially, they could tell that the gunshot was last because

669
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:57,040
there was no blood from the wound. It was done postmortem. Yeah. I think from what they could

670
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:04,560
tell is that when she slashed his throat, she got carotid angiocular and that's he bled out. And then

671
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:10,000
I think she did that first and then because all of his stab wounds were, oh my wrist just cracked,

672
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:16,400
all of his stab wounds were in his back. Oh, okay. And if they see it, it's just a stand-up shower.

673
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:21,120
So if he had his back turned, I don't know, she probably convinced him to get him down on his knees.

674
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:26,480
Behind him or something. Behind him. Got it. Got his, yeah, did his throat and then as,

675
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:31,920
maybe he fell forward, she stabbed him in the back. Okay, that makes me retract what I just said.

676
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:42,800
And then his gunshot wound was right above the right eyebrow into, yeah, and then, but it did

677
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:49,360
a downward angle and it almost exited his left cheek. Got it. So, but it was very, yeah, or

678
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:54,400
depending if he's slumped because the way that he's slumped is essentially like, okay, stand-up

679
01:03:54,400 --> 01:04:02,560
shower and stand in the shower but turn to your left and his back is slumped up against the right.

680
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,920
So what I'm thinking is that when he's slumped, he might have turned his head

681
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:11,840
or something at a certain angle and that's how she was able to. Or she moved him. Or she moved him.

682
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:17,520
That's true. I mean, he didn't, well, there was blood all over the hallway and the bedroom.

683
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:25,200
I wonder if he, you know, there was clearly a struggle because if you look at his hands,

684
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:30,800
and I don't want to get too graphic, but if you look at his hands, his hands have some defensive

685
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:37,360
wounds on him. I want to say maybe four to five cuts, but they look very erratic. Like, it was in

686
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:43,680
the moment that he was getting his throat slit. It wasn't him trying to get, you know, I don't know.

687
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:49,680
It just, it's just awful. And so I think she placed him back into the shower.

688
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:55,440
Oh, so that would make sense because of the picture of her foot. He's clearly laying down

689
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,760
in front of her. It's awful.

690
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,720
I know. It's like, exceptionally brutal crime.

691
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:09,920
Her first sentencing hearing ended in a mistrial as jurors could not agree on life imprisonment

692
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:17,840
or death. At Aries' retrial, the jury deadlocked yet again 11 to 1 for the death penalty.

693
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:23,520
It's a one juror that hung on. This was after 26 hours over five days.

694
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:24,320
Oh my God.

695
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:30,080
So they super was not about it. They was. They was super not about it.

696
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:30,720
They super was not about it.

697
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,080
They super was not about it.

698
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:40,560
So the judge refused to declare a mistrial and renegotiated terms to either life without parole

699
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,600
or life with the possibility of parole after 25 years.

700
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:44,800
Oh, yikes.

701
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:49,040
On April 13th, Aries was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.

702
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:55,440
Aries has tried to appeal her conviction and even cites that the media frenzy is what caused,

703
01:05:56,080 --> 01:06:00,160
like, that was caused by the prosecution is grounds for a new trial.

704
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:00,880
Whenever.

705
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,200
She's like, everybody is just talking about me.

706
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,440
It's so much popular.

707
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:06,160
Yes.

708
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,040
She has remained steadfast all the way up until 2020,

709
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,040
which was one of the last appeals that she had.

710
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:13,280
Is she alive?

711
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:14,640
Yeah.

712
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:15,520
She's alive.

713
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,080
Aries is now 43.

714
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:19,920
Well, she will be 43.

715
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,480
Oh yeah, because she just turned, yeah, because her birthday is July 9th.

716
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:23,680
So she just turned 43.

717
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:24,640
Oh my God.

718
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,800
She's worked in the Perryville, Arizona State Prison Library since 2018.

719
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:35,760
She has been reprimanded at least once for being disrespectful to the staff, which whatever.

720
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:37,360
Whatever.

721
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:37,760
Whatever.

722
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,480
No word on if she is being treated for mental disorders at this time.

723
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:43,680
Probably not.

724
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,560
Although she has been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder.

725
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:46,880
Damn.

726
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:52,240
In the years since the trials, the Jodi area support groups have gotten bigger and bigger.

727
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:52,640
Oh no.

728
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:57,280
These groups believe that Jodi was a victim of domestic violence and ultimately had no choice

729
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,520
but to kill her abuser.

730
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:04,640
These groups have taken up donations in order to support Jodi area's appellate fund in order

731
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,680
to assist her and her desire to be freed from prison one day.

732
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:13,680
Even Jodi herself has taken up painting and drawing, selling these pieces of work in an

733
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,720
effort to raise money for her appellate fund.

734
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:22,480
Our friend Travis, the Travis Alexander story, was written by Travis's friends,

735
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:23,440
Chris and Sky Hughes.

736
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:29,600
The book details Travis's legacy and the unforeseen tragedy that befell him through the

737
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:30,800
actions of Jodi areas.

738
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,360
The book's description reads, quote,

739
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,080
They wrote this book to share to the world who Travis Victor Alexander was,

740
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:42,160
the reality of what he endured, and the impact he continues to have on this world.

741
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:48,000
Chris and Sky Hughes are able to offer an insight that few, if any, have into Travis's life

742
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,840
and the evil that ultimately ended it.

743
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:54,080
The world deserves to know the real Travis and they hope that you will get to know him

744
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:54,720
through this book.

745
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,920
They hope that his loving demeanor, zest for life, passion for service, and ability to

746
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:04,880
make people realize their divine potential jumps off the page and right into your heart.

747
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,480
It was released in 2015.

748
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,880
Oh my god, I got the heaps like three times like that.

749
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:09,840
You did, I saw you.

750
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:13,680
That's the story of Jodi area.

751
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:14,240
The story.

752
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,560
The story of Jodi.

753
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,440
The story of Jodi.

754
01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:22,320
God, the story of Jodi areas.

755
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:23,520
That was a whirlwind.

756
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,320
Honestly, like you're so funny because you're like, you'll definitely know this case.

757
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:27,040
I know the name.

758
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:28,160
I did not know this case.

759
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:29,600
I thought she was a serial killer.

760
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:30,080
Oh really?

761
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,320
As soon as I heard the name, I was like, oh yeah, I think she's a serial killer.

762
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:33,520
Like I did not know.

763
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:34,160
Yeah.

764
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,200
But damn, that is a wild story.

765
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:37,680
It is a wild story.

766
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,920
Like we say that every time we do a case.

767
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,840
But shit, it was wild.

768
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:43,680
Yeah.

769
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:44,880
Well, thanks for bringing that.

770
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,920
I know before we sat down to record mom was like, do you know who she's doing?

771
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,560
And I was like, no, she's like, oh, like she knew and everything.

772
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,640
And I told her who I was doing next week.

773
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,760
So I complained to Cliff like the entire time I was researching.

774
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:56,320
I love it.

775
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,080
I was like, oh god, I hate her.

776
01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:58,320
Yeah.

777
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,760
Well, that was a really great story the way that you told it.

778
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,200
I mean, not the story itself, but thank you for bringing that.

779
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:08,160
For sure.

780
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:08,880
Absolutely.

781
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:14,640
And thank you guys for joining us for another regular episode of the DAK.

782
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,920
We have another potential DAK live in the works.

783
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,600
It'll be coming out probably next month.

784
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,400
We don't like to do those every month, but every couple of months.

785
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:23,360
Every couple months.

786
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:23,840
Yeah.

787
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:27,920
And then be looking forward to the Patreon bonus episode coming out.

788
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,000
It'll be two days after this comes out.

789
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,880
So that's really exciting.

790
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:32,960
Yeah.

791
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,800
That one's fucking gnarly.

792
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,080
Next, this whole month is just going to be like crazy.

793
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:39,040
Yeah, absolutely.

794
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:43,360
We have been working our tails off to bring you guys all the content.

795
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:47,520
And thank you guys so much for continuing to support us with the Patreon,

796
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:51,680
but also on social media and via DMs and emails.

797
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,360
And we just love you guys so much.

798
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,040
Love you guys.

799
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:59,120
And hopefully by the time that we get to the convention,

800
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:03,520
we will have another way for you guys to interact with us on social media.

801
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:04,080
Oh yeah, absolutely.

802
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:05,360
Very very excited.

803
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,280
Definitely, definitely.

804
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:08,320
All right, do you have anything else?

805
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:08,960
Nope, that's it.

806
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:09,440
Okay.

807
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:10,560
Okay, well, see you guys later.

808
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:11,200
Love you.

809
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:17,200
Bye.

810
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:42,000
you