Hello! Hello! Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer. I'm Koelle and I'm Kana.
How's it going? It's going. Yeah. I just cleaned my room and packing for my trip.
Yeah. And it's like several days away, but I just got too excited and I was cleaning my room anyway
and I was like fuck it. Just gonna start packing things I don't need until I go. I love to over pack.
Like when we went to New York, I totally over pack. Oh yeah, no. I was telling Dana, I was like,
I would rather have too much shit than not enough. Yeah. Like I don't want to be without something.
If I have too many things, cool. I'll just put them away when I get home. I don't have to wash them.
I want a million clothes options because I don't know how I'm gonna be feeling.
And I always have like 18 pairs of underwear for a four day trip because what if you shit yourself
like three times a day when you're here? Like what are you gonna do? God forbid. God forbid, but it happens.
But it's reality. It's reality. Adult life is already so goddamn weird. Well, welcome back everybody.
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because it's like if you're somewhere out of Texas and maybe your sandals strapped or something.
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They're sneakers in the UK. That's what they call them. Yeah. Instead of like, yeah, sneakers,
they're trainers. Oh, wow. I guess it's like all of our UK listeners. Just like endurance running all
the time. Yes. Yeah. Well, we call them tennis shoes. Tennis shoes. Yeah. But that's true. We
don't always play tennis with tennis shoes on tennis with them. Anyway, I'm excited to hear your case.
I am for the first time really nervous to deliver a case. Really? Yeah. I don't know why I just got
that like, like anxious feeling. I'm not trying not to talk too fast. Do you think it's because of
like the I'm just excited. The case is so well known. Yeah. I'm just excited to deliver the content.
Okay. So we discussed this before we sat down. Obviously, I don't know who you're doing, but
you said that I will know it. But you've said that in the past and I didn't know it.
Like Mark David Chapman. I was like, who? It's John Lennon dead.
So I'm really anxious to see if I'm going to actually know this person. Today we're going to
be talking about oh god, you look really excited. Jodi and Arias. Oh, okay. Obviously.
This is the reaction I wanted. Well, I don't really know the whole story. So well, then it's
going to be even more exciting. Oh my gosh, Jodi Arias. I know you've been wanting to do this
one for a long time. So excited. Not excited, but just you know, ready to deliver the content.
Ready. Content warning. This episode describes scenes of childhood neglect, stalking, domestic
violence, and ultimately brutal murder. If this episode is not for you, please feel free to check
out another one of our episodes. Remember, your mental health comes first and we love you. Bye.
So Jodi and Arias was born on July 9th, 1980 in Salinas, California. Her parents, I know,
right? Oh my, happy birthday and oh, and oh. Her parents were William and Sandra Arias. When Jodi
was born, she already had one older half sister and soon the family would have Jodi's younger
brother and then two more younger sisters. Couldn't find their names, but also, you know,
some people remain unknown. Sure. On purpose. Yeah, on purpose. By all accounts, Jodi's family life
was mostly that of a typical middle class family. She got along well with her siblings pretty well,
and was a bright child, as one is. Her mother would say that Jodi picked up reading at a very young
age and soon began to collect books. Jodi was perceived as a highly intelligent girl with a
crazy amount of book smarts. The family at some point would relocate to Wairika, California,
which is kind of like super far north Carolina, California. Jodi did have some rebelliousness
about her and by the time she had high school, she had come to realize that she gained attention
through her looks. Oh, okay. Her grades would begin to decline in school as she started treating
school as kind of a social outlet rather than a place to gain an education. Well, that's what we
have heard in the past as well. People with people that are highly intelligent kind of think that
school is like tedious almost, even when they get into high school. Yeah. Like this is like really
lame. Like this isn't even challenging me. And I just don't want to be here. I just don't even want
to be here. Yeah, it's just more of a social thing. Yeah. Jodi also found a passion for photography
while she was in high school. She would begin to fight with her parents. She would often berate
her mother for never graduating from college. Oh, she would belittle her mother insinuating that
she was less intelligent and constantly asked her mother things like quote, don't you want
something better for your life? End quote. Oh my God. How about like, I would feel like
such shit if my daughter said that to me. Jesus. Yeah. And this was her mother's account. And
even when her mother is remembering those things, she gets emotional. It was almost like Jodi would
bully her own mother. I'm really like, yeah, well, I had to raise your fucking punk ass. Like,
fuck you. In one instance, Jodi's father spotted something in their backyard. Jodi had attempted
to grow weed plants in the backyard. And when her father found out about this, he actually called
police to have the plant removed. OMG, that's hilarious. Which is kind of like, I kind of get
it. Like, you don't know what to do with it, especially if you like, don't do that. You're
like, I guess I should hand this over to police. That's so funny. But in doing so, you're kind of
calling out your own daughter. Yeah. And he's like, I'm sorry, sir, who planted this? I don't know.
It just began to grow. It just popped up there. Must be naturally occurring. Yeah. Jodi began to
see her parents as overbearing and nosy. Jodi began to tell her friends that her parents were
incredibly strict, like they're entirely too strict, and would sometimes garner sympathy by
exaggerating how her parents treated her. Okay, she's getting attention from that at school now.
She's like, oh, they abuse me. Okay. She did claim on several occasions that her parents would hit
the kids with wooden spoons or belts, but this was never cooperated by her siblings ever. Oh my
God. Yeah, she was like, they beat us. It's like, well, this isn't that extreme just yet, but it
reminds me of like, people that fake illnesses or like they fake a pregnancy, like for attention.
Yeah. That's like a big accusation to make. Absolutely. Especially like when the siblings are
like, we have no idea what she's talking about. Yeah. When Jodi hit her junior year in Wairika High,
she decided to drop out in order to pursue a career in photography, which is like, you'd
berate your mom about not finishing college, but you're going to drop out of high school.
Yeah, exactly. I was just saying that, but she probably thinks she's too smart for high school.
She's like, you dropped out of college and you're not that smart. I can drop out of high school,
and I'm still smarter. Still smart. Yeah. She moved out of her parents' house, dyed her hair,
bleached blonde, and settled in just south of Salinas. So back down in South California. So
they were in Salinas. They went up to Wairika, and they came back down to Salinas. I don't think I
mentioned that earlier. My bad. I think you did. Did I? That they've moved to Wairika? Okay.
Remember you said Carolina? Carolina. Say Carolina. South Carolina.
She began to work small jobs in photography, and in 2001, Jodi began working as a server at a local
spa called the Ventana Inn in beautiful Big Sur, California, which I looked at the map, and it's
like remote and just beaches. It's really nice. Yeah, that's pretty. Here she met food servicing
manager Darryl Brewer. Darryl was a divorced father of a young son, and he worked at the spa
several years before Jodi was hired there. The two worked well together. Darryl saying that Jodi was
a model employee, and after about a year of working together, the two would start a romance in 2003
after Darryl stepped down from management. So they became equals, and they started dating.
What's the next line? The two would... No, I thought you were serious. Darryl would introduce Jodi to
his son, and the two seemed to get along really well, Jodi and the son. Darryl would move to Monterey,
California, to be closer to Darryl's son and his ex-wife, whom he shared custody of with his son with.
This also happened to be much closer to where Jodi was living at the time.
The two would often see each other several times a week, being Darryl and Jodi,
and their relationship seemed to be progressing nicely. Confident in this, the two decided to
move in together in about 2004-2005. They moved into a gorgeous three-bedroom home in Palm Desert,
which was even closer to Darryl's child. Reportedly, the couple were spending $2,800 each in mortgage
payments. Oh my gosh. That's a very expensive place. Yeah, absolutely. And this didn't include
the bills, which were also split between the two. That would be expensive now. When was this again?
This is 2005. Okay, but still. That would still be expensive now. I don't think there's much of an
exchange rate. Or, I'm sorry, a conversion rate. Probably not. Darryl said about Jodi during this
time that he had never sensed any jealousy from Jodi whatsoever towards his ex or his child.
And in fact, she was a great maternal figure for her son, and that they got along very well,
that she was a very kind and loving person. In February of 2006, Jodi began working another job
with prepaid legal services while still working as a server at the spa. She was very successful in
this new position and quickly became passionate about network marketing, also known as multi-level
marketing. They call it network marketing now. Cute. So you make sure that you don't know
what you're getting into. You forget about it. Yeah. Jodi and Darryl's relationship began to
deteriorate, and the couple started having issues within the relationship. Jodi and Darryl, who have
had a thriving sex life up until this point, seemed to be distancing themselves from one another,
mostly Jodi pulling away from Darryl. Okay. Darryl also noticed that Jodi wasn't keeping up her half
of the bills, although she was still maintaining her part of the mortgage. Darryl had thought the
relationship was headed towards marriage, but at this rate, things weren't looking so hot. Yeah.
In September of 2006, Jodi would head to Las Vegas to attend a prepaid legal service convention,
which she was very excited to attend. Here she met the man that would change the course of her life
forever. You're so funny you always say that lie. I say that. Travis Victor Alexander was born on
July 28th, 1977, to parents Gary David and Pamela Elizabeth Alexander in Riverside, California.
Oh my god, LOL actually happy birthday because his birthday will be a day after this case comes out.
Oh, that's true. Oh, happy birthday Travis. Is he a good guy?
So he was the second youngest of a blended family containing seven kiddos. Tanisha, Samantha,
Hillary, Gary Jr., Greg, then Travis and then Steven's the youngest. The fact that you have all
of his siblings' names is kind of concerning. Yeah, I feel like his siblings are good people.
Both of Travis's parents did struggle with substance use, unfortunately. This meant that
the house was sometimes a chaotic one. Often the children were abused and neglected. The
family struggled financially and Travis was often picked on at school for being poor or not having
nice clothes and would actually engage in fights regularly with neighborhood bullies. Bricks my
heart. Travis wrote about this experience in a blog that he had maintained as an adult, quote,
four days with a house full of kids there isn't any food cooked. We would eat what was there,
but before long what was edible would be eaten or rot and what was rotten would be eaten too.
His brother Steven also said that the main source of nutrition in the house most often was usually
ramen noodles. And that's arguably one of the worst things you can eat for nutrition. Yeah,
there's so much sodium. There's no value in it. Yeah. When Travis was 10, he ran away to live with
his grandmother, to which his mother apparently had not a big problem with because eventually in
1997 his siblings would also move into the grandmother's home after the unfortunate passing of
Travis's father. Travis was 20 and his father had passed away in a motorcycle accident. After
living with his grandmother, Travis began to attend church with her and eventually converted to the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or LDS or Mormonism all in the same kind of, well I
don't want to say it's under the same bracket, but yeah, he converted to LDS. Travis thought at
first that he would try his hand at comedy for a career because he never really wanted to go to
college. College wasn't his thing, but eventually Travis realized that he did have a passion for
public speaking and that he could use this as a tool to motivate others. Bro, having a passion for
public speaking is wild. Don't even know what that's like. What? The ball's on those guys, seriously.
We speak all the time in private. I know. Like the fucking festival is going to be a big challenge
for us to talk to. Well, no, not really because we're not like putting it for a speech, which is
not going to be a panel. Yeah, but still, like public speaking is not my forte. Right. Travis began
speaking as a motivational salesman for prepaid legal. Same company that Jodie is working for.
Sometime in the early 2000s. He quickly found that a young and attractive man who had such a
great way of looking at life and business could garner some attention, especially from women.
Travis tried to remain steadfast in his newfound beliefs, but sometimes he found this to be
difficult and Travis struggled with these two sides of himself. Okay. Nonetheless, Travis was
successful in his position, even enough to buy a three bedroom house in 2006, in which he was able
to rent out two rooms to his two roommates, one of which was a man by the name of Zach Billings,
and he was a good friend of Travis's. Things were going pretty well for Travis. And in September
2006, Travis would attend a conference in Las Vegas where he would give a motivational speech
that Jodie Arias just couldn't help but take notice of. Okay. After the speech, Jodie, Travis,
and a group of coworkers went out to eat dinner at, and I found out at a rainforest cafe, which I
had to put that on there because that's hilarious. That is hilarious. Rainforest cafe, RIP.
Geez, throwback. Does there no more rainforest cafes anymore? I don't think so. Email us on
the snow. I thought there was one at Katie Mall up by Houston. There might be, but RIP to where we
live in rainforest cafes. Because we had one downtown for a little bit, right? I think there's
still one in the Vegas strip too. I think that's actually, when we went to Vegas, we went by the
rainforest cafe. It's probably the same one. Either way, let us know. It's on the strip.
There was an immediate attraction between the two, and they would exchange information.
Travis and Jodie made plans to meet up in the future. He was single at this point, correct? Yes.
At first, Travis thought that he may be able to testify to Jodie about his faith,
and then help her. Because that's kind of what he did, right? Yeah. He was, again,
very much into the Mormon faith. One week after they exchanged information, Jodie and Travis would
meet up in his town of Mesa, Arizona, which is about a cool 10-hour drive from Jodie at this time.
Oh, awesome. The two had spent hours together and ended up engaging in sex,
and Jodie would make the drive all the way back to the Monterey area. Just a hop, skip, and a jump.
Remember Daryl? They're still living together. Yeah. And he's beginning to notice a change in Jodie.
I wonder why. She began talking about how she wished to become Mormon, and that she realized
that she's living a life of sin, and that in this already almost sexless relationship,
it would now become a celibate one, as she wanted to save herself for marriage.
But you just had sex with Travis. Yes. Okay. Oh, okay. Yes.
Jodie and Travis would talk every day, constant calls, emails, and meetups, often to engage in
sex or other sexual activities. Just for Jodie, just to head back to our life with Daryl.
That's super Mormon of them. Super Mormon. In November, just two months after meeting Travis,
Jodie decided to give baptized at an LSD church. LSD? LSD church. Oh, really? No.
She tripped in an LDS church. Mascuse. LSD. Shit. It was one of those dudist churches.
She's like, what's in the water? What's in the water? Am I in water right now? Yeah.
It was said by Jodie. She later admitted that this was an attempt to get closer to Travis.
At the time, she was like, you know, whatever. So by December of 2006, again, a month later,
Jodie decided to end her relationship with Daryl entirely and move out on her own.
Okay. Very quick, right? So she met Travis in September. This is already December,
which I don't even think that Travis knew she was living with anybody.
Of course not. Probably not. Come February of 2007, Jodie and Travis would officially become a
couple. Jodie was known by Travis's friends to be a pretty intense person. Oftentimes, she seemed
inauthentic and they weren't really quite enthused that Travis was dating somebody who seemed to be
like obsessed with him. Yeah. There was just something about her that really rubbed them
the wrong way. And one friend even said, quote, she just had to sit right by him. She didn't
appreciate it when he was talking to another female. She didn't like the fact that there was
anyone that didn't know that they were together. She wanted to make that very clear. I cannot stand
people that do that. Like, I have gotten more compliments on the fact that me and Casey can
be in the same room together and not even like speak for like an hour because they're mingling
with other people than anything else in our relationship. Like goals. We will go out together.
We will go to the bar and if we're with our friends, we will just hang out. And if I go to
the bar to get a drink and some random guy starts talking to me, Casey just sits back there and he's
like, she can handle herself. She can handle herself. And when she can't, she'll let me know.
And vice versa. Yeah. And there was even one moment where it was like a new couple friend of ours.
They had even asked Casey, like, oh, look, there's this guy talking to the, like,
kind of at the bar, do you want to maybe go over there? And he's like, no, she's a big girl.
Like she got it. If she needs anything, she'll let me know. I love that. And that's so great.
Like you have, like, I think that's something that is really the foundation of our relationship,
is that we can be in the same room and not have to be clung onto each other the whole time.
Yeah, exactly. I don't get me wrong. I like enjoy that part. But at the same time, you know,
totally handle, handle your shit in a room and not feel like you have to just have your hand on
somebody's back pocket. And honestly, I feel like it's a little disrespectful to be like just right
on top of your partner in front of like company, like your friends as well. Yeah, just a couple
hanging out with some random people, you know, or by ourselves. Another friend, Taylor Cyril, would
say, quote, when I first met Jody, we were at his house, meaning Travis's house, on a Sunday evening.
There were people over from church, and we were all making cookies. She presented herself to me
as his woman and welcomed me into her house. Oh, hell no. As someone, as someone who has been very
close with him, she was already trying to make claims on my buddy. And I didn't even know her.
It really rubbed me the wrong way. There was always small nuances like that. I was just very put off
by how she was, end quote. She's like, hi, I'm the Mrs. Welcome to my home. And she's like, yeah,
I've known him for like 15 fucking years. She's wearing an apron. She's pulling out like already
made cookies from the oven. Yeah, the hell? The oven's not even on. Jody even began to eavesdrop
on conversations Travis would have on the phone. She would position herself to listen in on his
conversations no matter what they might pertain. She was even caught several times by his friends
doing this standing outside of the bathroom when he was in there. Oh my gosh. Like he would go to
the bathroom and she would stand outside to see if he was making a phone call inside the bathroom.
So possessive. Right? That's scary. That is scary. It's like usually you're walking on egg shells.
Yeah, absolutely. You can say anything. She would even also eavesdrop on his friends' conversations
just to ensure that they weren't talking negatively about her. And what if they were? Well, she'd
probably be like, you can't hang out with them anymore. That's so annoying. Don't be that girl.
Don't be that person. Don't you? It doesn't have to be a girl. Don't be that person.
She was exhibiting stalker-ish behavior and everyone seemed to notice and the only person
that didn't seem to notice was Jody. Oh, I was like Travis. Yeah. Another friend once told Travis,
quote, Travis, I'm afraid we're going to find you chopped up in our freezer. End quote. That's a
really, really big accusation to me. I'm sure it's like said as a joke, but also he's like,
haha, you're going to get murdered. LOL. Oh God, you don't know this story. Okay. I don't. I told you.
You're always like, you definitely know this story. I'm like, no, don't maybe, you know what?
I want at least one listener to say, I haven't heard this story. That's me.
I volunteer. You're the one that's going to write the email. Yeah. Oh, thanks so much for
bringing this case. I've never heard it before. I've never heard it. Loved it.
Travis had defended Jody and their relationship up until this point, even telling some friends
that Jody was to be his future wife. So kind of back up, y'all. Yeah. Travis said about Jody
in an email quote, I went from intrigued by her to interested in her to caring about her deeply
to realizing how lucky I would be to have her as my partner in my life forever. She is amazing.
It's not hard to see that whoever scores Jody, whether it be me or someone else,
is going to win the wife lotto end quote. So he really did love her. But apparently. It's another
thing as well. You can't really see how poorly you're being treated or how controlling,
manipulative, whatever their partner's being because you're so close to it. Yeah. And once you
take a step back, you realize, I don't have that personal experience with relationships like boyfriend,
but I do have that personal experience with friends. Yeah. I was way too close to the situation.
I distanced myself from that person and then I was able to realize how manipulative they actually
were and are. Yeah. Yeah. You just probably doesn't know, you know, because he's so close to it.
You're right. I totally agree with that. Definitely. I've been in that situation myself.
And I feel like that's how a lot of relationships like this go. And I feel like, you know,
a lot of people are so quick to say, you know, oh, if I was in a God forbid domestic violence
situation and a relationship, I would leave. I don't know how someone stays there. And it's
like, you don't know because you don't realize that it's actually as bad as it is because you're
so close to it. Absolutely. I did that for many, many years. Yeah. All those relationships,
I feel like, can be related in that sense. So by June of that same year, 2007, Jody's behavior
had become bizarre and erratic. Jody would snoop through Travis's things just to break into
Travis's email account and social media account, which I think at this time was, well, I think
it's Facebook. Well, the iPhone came out in 2007, so they already got smartphones and she is true.
No. I feel like this is like 1984. So after finding his passwords, any correspondences that
she found between Travis and another woman was met with an email from Jody warning them to stay
away from Travis. Even if they were friends, church members, somebody from work, you better stay
away from my man and pee all over him. I can't stand that. Like I've only seen like screenshots
of shit like that. Someone's like, hey, do you have that math homework from this past weekend?
Like I was out or this past week, like I was out. And then he's like, this is my boyfriend,
don't text him. He's like, okay, cool. So do you have the math homework? I just need the
fucking notes. I just need the notes. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, she's 27 at this point just to give you
a total understanding and acting like a 14 year old. Like a jealous 16 year old. Yeah. Travis
wasn't able to ignore Jody's increasingly disturbing behavior any longer. And he decided to end
the relationship. Although the two would keep in contact. Travis was also struggling with remaining
true to his Mormon faith. And the guilt was getting to him about engaging in premarital sex,
especially since it seemed like his friends and his family had no idea that him and Jody were
intimate. Ironically, Jody was essentially crossing herself off his potential wife list,
which is the opposite of what she was trying to accomplish. Yeah. And this is by her continuing
to participate and sometimes force Travis into engage in sexual activity. Oh, shit. You know,
if you think about it that way, like he's like, I want to be this good Mormon person. She converted
to Mormonism. But at the same time, it's like, I want to be with her, but I can't be with her
because we engage in sex. And that's not part of my religion. It just she's not practicing the
religion like no, exactly. And like, or the way that he wants to. And so it's just ironic that
her forcing him or maybe force isn't like co-corusing him into participating in this because
she thinks it makes her desirable is actually the turn off the one thing like you can't get over.
Yeah, that's interesting. So again, Travis has decided to break up with Jody. And surprisingly,
and Jody's response to this breakup is probably not one you'd expect. Jody decided to pack up and
move to Mesa, Arizona. Apparently about a mile down the street from Travis. She moved from
California to Arizona after they broke up to get to maybe I'll just like run into him at the grocery
store or just run into him, you know, on his street and he'll be like, oh my gosh, I just totally
miss you. I totally forgot how much I loved you. That's probably her fucking plan. She's like, if
we're like within a mile of each other living, there's we've got to run into each other at some
point. It wouldn't take long for the relationship to become sexual again. Sometimes Jody would just
show up unannounced or even on several occasions, Travis would wake up in the middle of the night
to Jody in his bed performing oral sex on him while he slept. How was she getting inside?
She knew the code to the garage. And he was just like, cool? No. This is after she had made
entrance through the garage door using a code and at least one occasion after using a doggie door
shut to access the house. I'm not even kidding. She's like, he won't be mad at me if I suck his
dick. Let's go in and I'll just give him a head and he'll wake up and he'll be like, oh, okay,
you can stay. That's fucking nuts. It's creepy. Rape. It's absolutely fucking rape. Absolutely
fucking rape. And it's like also B and E. Maybe not B, but E. Definitely an E. E for sure.
Fucked up. Like, ew. So this obviously made Travis his friends and roommates even more uncomfortable
as they often saw Jody coming and going in the middle of the night and became suspicious of
her intentions with Travis. Bro, I would like board up that doggie door, be like, sorry dude,
you gotta go outside, like just let me know if you got a piece going through the doggie door,
like bark bark bark. Oh my gosh. That is- Change the fucking garage code.
You imagine waking up in the middle of the night to somebody in your bed. I don't care who the
fuck it is. Assaulting you. Assaulting you. Like, I don't care who the fuck it is. It's a fucking
golden state shit. Ugh. Travis would sometimes protest this, but mostly would give in to temptation
whenever Jody would show up. Oh my gosh. Again, they aren't together, so eventually Travis found
interest in another woman named Lisa. When Jody found out that Travis was seeing this woman,
she waited for Travis and Lisa to show up to his place and in an effort to scare her off,
Jody began to bang on the doors and windows. Like, that's so childish. That's so childish.
I'm pretty sure Lisa's like, hey, are you expecting company? And he's like, no, she's like, oh,
that's weird. Yeah, but what is Travis gonna say? Oh, that's just my StockRex girlfriend.
Yeah, for real. Like, that would totally turn somebody off. That's true. On two occasions,
Travis's tires were slashed while he was dating Lisa, although this was never confirmed to be
the work of Jody. But it was. But it was. But it was. After months of this and now April of 2008,
Travis was able to convince Jody that it would be best for her to take some rest back in Wairoika,
California. Yeah, go home, bitch. Again, very northern California to stay with her grandmother.
This was almost a year since the breakup. So all that stuff had happened. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
because that would have been April and then it was, what did I say? June is when they broke up.
So an entire year of this shit. I bet his roommates are like, bro, like, this isn't my
fucking problem. This is your lady, like, figured out, right? Get a restraining order. And it's not
his fault either. You know what I mean? It's definitely her. But if I was roommates, I'd be
like, dude, like, come on, like, this is getting fucking out of hand. Jody agreed to this and
Travis was elated. He told his friends and family he was excited to really focus on work, church,
and ultimately be able to date the right kind of girls and hopefully find his future wife.
Sweet. This did not stop Travis from corresponding with Jody, however. And the two would regularly
share nude photos of each other and have phone sex. Okay, you can't be like, leave me alone and then
go for it again. Like, or just this clear, this girl is clearly not a side chick, right? Like,
she's not cool with being a side, she's not cool with being a side, like, stop making her the
side bitch. She's not cool with it. She's clearly not cool with it. Like, yeah, you're not going to get
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but not in a fun way. Oh god. The two were arguing over the state of their relationship
when Travis exploded on Jodi saying that she ruined his life and that she was a sociopath.
He was totally done with her. And even after this, Jodi claimed that the house that she was living in,
her grandmother's house at the time, was burglarized and perpetrators took a 25 caliber gun from the
house. But this was still not enough to garner any attention from Travis. Travis was like done.
He's like, yeah, I'm done, but I'll hit you up in like three or four days for sex.
Well, I don't know about that. I mean, that's what it sounds like in the beginning. Well, yeah, for
sure. But she was like, you know, talk to me like, oh my gosh, the house is burglarized. Like, yeah,
making catfishing. I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant. So again, Travis has at this point,
been looking forward to dating again. Travis met a woman by the name of Mimi,
and Mimi and Travis had been on a date or two prior, but Mimi didn't really have a lot of
interest in seriously dating Travis, especially after learning that he had a stalker. Yeah.
This time around, however, Travis had decided to invite Mimi on a trip to Cancun, Mexico.
Maybe the two would have an opportunity for them to get to know each other without all the
complications of the past. There's no way Jodie can find us there. Just saying. I'm just saying.
Travis also invited a couple friends of his, and this is Chris and Skye Hughes. So another couple.
Chris and Skye would leave for a few days before Travis and Mimi would arrive, and then the four
of them had plans to meet up on June 10th of 2008. This is like fun, right? Just like a couple's
thing. I love a good couple's weekend. Right. I want a couple's weekend. Or a couple's night or
something. I don't want a couple's dinner. I feel like that's too intimate. It would have to be like
a couple's vacation. Because couple's dinner is like the best. Really? I think so. I feel like
that's kind of awkward if you're just talking across. Well, I guess it would have to be like
three couples. I feel like that's better than two couples. Yeah, for sure. No. Otherwise,
it would be like a double date. Like a double date dinner. I feel like that's a little. Double
date dinner is kind of weird. That's a little weird. Triple D. A little weird. Triple D. A little weird. Don't do it. Triple D. Double date dinner. Oh,
double date dinner. Yeah, don't do it. So again, on the night of the fourth, Mimi was texting Travis,
kind of talking about flight plans, what to pack, what kind of things they were going to do,
but there would ultimately be no response from Travis. Skye and Chris leading up to the trip
tried calling Travis after hearing that Mimi was having trouble getting a hold of him. Chris
left a voicemail that week saying about this quote, I said, T dog, you better be dead, bro.
Yeah, like I was joking, but call me back, you know, like where why are you dissing me?
Why aren't you calling me back? And I said to Skye, something's wrong. End quote.
You better be dead, bro. Complete side note really quick. I was a little co-worker of mine
a long time ago. I was probably like 19 or 20 and we went to a house party and we both drove home
separately and she didn't show up to work the next morning. We were supposed to go to work.
And I literally texted her something like that. I was like, are you alive because like,
where are you? Like you're not at work. Yeah. And then I found out like an hour later that she was
in the hospital because her boyfriend got in a car wreck the night before she was fine.
Oh my gosh. But it scared the shit out of me. I was like, oh my god, like I texted her like,
are you alive? And she might like not be like, imagine that fucking feeling like it was so scary.
And at this point, Chris and Skye are in Cancun waiting for him. Yeah, I couldn't even fucking
do anything. Can't do anything. Oh my god. By June 9th, Mimi had had enough with Travis supposedly
ignoring or ghosting her essentially. Yeah. So she, especially because they were supposed to leave
from Mexico the next day on the 10th. Yeah. She went to Travis's house and began banging on the
front door. With no reply, she became not upset but more worried at this point. Oh my god. She
called her roommate or her best friend. I couldn't really, at some accounts that it was a friend,
some accounts that it was a roommate and her boyfriend to come over to Travis's house in
order for the three of them to investigate. I would do the same thing. I would not want to go
in alone. I wouldn't want to go in alone. Eventually Mimi would gain access to the house
through the garage after contacting one of Travis's friends who gave her the code.
And they were immediately greeted with the smell of death upon entering the home.
Where are his roommates? Walking through the house, they heard loud music coming from one of the
bedrooms. Mimi knocks on the door and one of Travis's roommates, Zach Billings, opens the
door to find three strangers in his house. Shut up. Zach's girlfriend was also over and once
Mimi asked where Travis was, Zach responded with, well, he's in Mexico. Mimi further explained that
Travis hadn't been heard of since the fourth and that in fact she's the one that he's going to
Mexico with, but I can't get ahold of him, right? Oh my god. Zach produces a spare key for Travis's
room once discovering that it was locked. When Zach opens the door, he's met by a horrific scene.
Blood covered the walls of the hallway that was leading into Travis's bedroom.
They travel down the hallway as a group and they enter the bedroom, eventually the master bathroom,
where slumped down in the shower was the body of Travis Alexander. Oh my gosh. He had been stabbed
27 to 29 times, shot in the head with a 25 caliber and his throat had been slit. Oh my god, that's so
brutal. Brutal. And complete fucking overkill. Complete overkill, absolutely. And I'm sorry,
25 caliber? That's really weird that she has like a text message proof that she said something else.
Her house was robbed and the 25 caliber was missing. That was her alibi. Oh my gosh. They're like, oh,
you know, well, I don't want to say she yet, but. Well, her name is the name of the episode, so
I'm assuming. What the setup, right, is that she's like, oh, well, if someone took this gun and it
matches the gun that kills Travis, they clearly have to have an alibi as far as like why that would
happen. Well, because the gun was stolen. Just happened to be used to kill my ex-boyfriend that
lives in Mesa when I live in Wairika. And he's claimed to multiple people probably via text
messages. She's a fucking stalker. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Immediately, everyone exits the house
and Zach calls 911 to report that he's found his roommate deceased. Oh my god. Police arrive on
scene and when asked how Zach didn't know there was a dead man in his house for five days. Yeah,
I was just thinking that. Zach said he attributed the smell to just bachelors being bachelors.
Sometimes dishes go unmade, trash piles up, and each roommate usually keeps it themselves in
their own room. Plus, this is a pretty big house. Yeah. And not that he couldn't smell it, but the
way that the bedrooms look like they were set up is like almost behind a door. There was a long
hallway that would get to a bedroom. It's almost like an apartment living type situation, but in a
house. So it made sense. Not totally unheard of, right? Yeah. And if I was the girlfriend, I'd be
like, bro, I was here. Yeah, there's something sad underneath your... For like five days. Well, I mean,
there was that time that I smelled something fucking dead outside and it went away within like two
days, but it's like, you know, after a day, it's like, holy crap. Yeah. But you just assume it's
like a dead animal or something, right? Yeah, exactly like an attic or something. Ugh. That's
just awful that he was left there for five days. That's so horrific. Fucking awful. Police begin
to process the scene, noting that long brown hairs are found on the floor covered in blood. Oh my
god, how convenient. A bloody palm print was on the wall of the hallway and a digital camera was in
the washing machine. The washing machine? Having been washed. That's the best way you could think
of to dispose of that? Sure. Yeah. Well, they tried to look at it. Of course, it wouldn't work. Yeah.
But yeah. When they did eventually look at the Sims card, everything had been deleted. So it took
some forensic, what do they call that? Like forensic computing, you know. When asking the
witnesses who found Travis, they had, they asked them if they had any idea of who would want to
hurt Travis and it didn't take long for someone to pipe up and say the name Jody Arias. Everybody
immediately was like Jody. It's her. It's Jody. It's Jody. Yeah, the roommates like, yeah, I was the
one that literally said like, I'm afraid you're gonna get chopped up into a million fucking pieces.
Right. Yeah, it's her. It was another friend, but still. I know, I'm just saying like,
that's pretty fucking obvious. It was her. It was obvious. Within hours of finding Travis's body,
Jody actually called the Mesa Police Department to ask about the case. Shut up. Hours.
She's like, hey, so did you find him? Hey, so did you find him? What kind of evidence do you have?
Well, she waited five whole days. She waited five whole days. Shit, this is, this is the chick that
is so nuts about him that she can't stand to not, not talk to him. Yeah. But she goes five days.
She's definitely extremely mentally ill. She had heard from a friend that Travis had passed away.
And this is where Jody began to journal.
Quote, Tuesday, 1250 AM-ish, June 10th, 2008. Dan Freeman just called. I was excited to hear
from him. I immediately began to see how I might be making a trip out there soon, and he softly
responded with yes. I think you're going to have to make a trip out here soon. Then he told me,
it was about Travis, but he couldn't really tell me anything. He just said something was wrong.
I don't know what's going on and I need some answers. I'm praying that there's been some kind
of a mistake. I tried calling his phone. Nothing. For the first time ever, I've called. His voicemail
box is full. For some reason, Disneyland keeps flashing in my mind. At night, maybe because
that's the last time we were there, I called Brent's number over and over. Nothing. I'm going crazy,
and I feel so helpless being all the way here in California. End quote. Okay. She's creating
herself a little baby alibi right now. It's like an entire fucking narrative of an alibi. It's like,
here's the time. It's like in California. I'm here right now. I'm here right now in California.
So I'm sorry, if I just found out that the person that I love and admire was even hurt,
I wouldn't take the time to fucking journal about it. Yeah. I would be heading there to find out what
happened. Yeah. I'm just going to go ahead and write down all my fucking thoughts. Gotta make
myself look innocent. Yeah. Gotta put my fucking alibi out there. Just make sure. Another entry.
Quote, Tuesday, 3am, June 10th, 2008. This is horrendous. The most awful thing I've ever had
to deal with, and I am in total shock right now. It hasn't fully hit me. This can't really be real.
It just can't be happening. I spoke with Bishop Layton. He confirmed that Travis is dead.
What happened? Travis, what is this? End quote. Ew. Ew. I'm sorry. What happened? I'm pretty sure
you can answer that yourself. You can probably answer that. Thanks. Mm-mm. Quote, Wednesday,
6-11-08. I've been numb mostly, but last night was extremely hard. I broke down as I finally
brought myself around to go to bed. It was 2.30am. I wanted so badly to call Travis, but knowing he
couldn't answer was too much to bear, and I know he wasn't calling me anytime soon. It's just killing
me. I broke down as I climbed into bed, and I cried and cried and cried and cried until I fell asleep.
End quote. No, you didn't, because your last journal entry said 3am, and you just said that you
went to bed at 2.30am. This is the next day. But she said the previous night she went to bed at 2.30am,
but the last journal entry said 3am on the previous night. Well, that was Tuesday at midnight,
so this would have been Monday, technically. You know what I'm saying? Well, I just don't believe
her anyway. She's a liar, so... She's a liar. That's okay. I'm sorry. And also the line about, like,
I don't think he's going to be calling me anytime soon. Yeah, because you fucking killed him,
so he's not going to call you ever. He's dead. That's awful. Quote, Travis, I have so much to
thank you for. I'm grateful that I seized the opportunity to do so on so many occasions. Being
aware that you were a words of affirmation kind of guy. Thank you for all you've done for me.
Thank you for opening your home to me, and more times than I could count. My refrigerator is
your refrigerator. Thank you for all the times you called me up in the early evening and told me to
go outside and look at the sunset. Travis, this can't really be real. I know you hated that kind of
thinking. After we broke up, I stopped wearing the CTR ring you gave me, but it's back on my finger
now. I didn't have the slightest clue that when we met at the rainforest cafe, that you'd have such
a lasting and profound impact on my life. It seems fitting that we should meet at the rainforest
cafe. Being the environmentally forward people that we are, you care so much about this planet,
always encouraging us to take care of it, reminding us it's the role in God's eternal plan.
Thank you for believing in my skills as a photographer and as an artist.
So two things. One, again, I repeat, she's very clearly mentally ill because she's writing to
somebody that she knows she murdered. I feel like this goes beyond an alibi. This is now
like delusion. It's creating this narrative still. Yeah, exactly. I think that it was very much,
if I can't have Travis, no one can. No one can. This is her still talking to Travis.
Yes. She still owns him. Exactly. Number two, what did you say, a CTR ring?
A CTR ring. I looked it up and it's a ring that stands for Choose the Right and it's an LDS thing.
It's essentially she's saying, when we broke up, I took it off because I don't want to...
She was clearly only affiliated with the religion because of him. Then she's like,
and I wear it all the time now that I know, and it's been two days or whatever.
Yeah. Oh yeah. Three days. All the time. Yeah. No, I wear it. Yeah. No, I'll never take it off.
Yeah. Dang, no, it's very clearly a delusion. She's going through it. She's going through it.
That was a complete overkill, complete rage killing, in my opinion. And she's over here like,
oh my god, I'm gonna miss you forever. My refrigerator's your refrigerator. If you're a
murderer, you're a murderer. You're still environmentally, like we care about the planet. And she's talking to him like he's still present.
Yeah. When pulled in for questioning, Jodi claimed that it would have been impossible for her to be in Mesa,
California, as she was actually at a guy's house who lived in Utah at the time of the murder. Where's the guy?
Ryan Burns was interviewed by police who stated that yes, Jodi had come to see him in Salt Lake City,
Utah, but on the fifth, a day after she was supposed to arrive. Yikes. Worried when Jodi didn't show up
on the fourth, Ryan had tried to call Jodi several times, but with each time, her phone went straight to voicemail.
When she arrived, she claimed that her phone had been dead the whole time.
Ryan also noticed that Jodi had cuts all over her hands. Oh. Furthermore, Jodi was now brunette instead of blonde.
God, like she had been blonde this whole time. Can you be more fucking obvious? I think she dyed her
hair because if she were to sneak in and a roommate were to see her, it couldn't possibly be Jodi that
came into his bedroom that night. You know what I mean? That's a good point. I was thinking that she
dyed her hair after the fact because she was like, okay, I can get away now or whatever.
Again, this is all happening on the fourth. The fourth was the day of the crime. Jodi was supposed to,
she had made plans with Ryan saying, I'm going to come see you on the fourth. Didn't hear from her
until the next day or early the next day. So yes. She ended up staying the night and the two
engaged in sex several times before heading back to Ayureka. Can you believe, can you imagine how
gross that guy probably feels? He's like, I literally had sex with her like less than 12 hours after
she killed someone. Yeah. I don't even know. Yeah. And she was like, oh, I'm just going to pretend
like everything's great and normal and I didn't just murder my fucking ex-boyfriend. I just had sex
with you. Clearly she loved Travis so much. She loved Travis so much. She clearly loved him so much.
She's like a black widow, I guarantee if Ryan and her remained as a couple, he might have been
another victim. Yeah. So she again stayed the night and then she went back to Ayureka the next
morning. Phone records indicated that Jodi called Travis's phone several times on her way back to
Ayureka from Salt Lake, leaving voicemails and even at some point accessing his voicemail
to listen to her and other messages left on Travis's phone. People that were desperately
looking for Travis. She was trying to see who was calling, who was aware that he was missing,
or not answering. And she was probably trying to make sure that her voicemail sounded genuine.
Yes. She probably listened back, deleted it, and then whatever. But her phone records indicated
that she accessed his voicemails. That's so icky. During all of this investigative time,
labs were processing the bloodstains, palm prints, and camera recovered from the scene.
The blood was a mixture of areas and Travis's. The palm print belonged to areas,
and the camera held the most damning evidence of all. I said they were deleted.
They were deleted, but they went through like that. Like I told you, the forensic computing stuff.
Or anal, whatever, forensic technology. Something like that. Something like that.
You know. No, I don't. Nude photos were taken between the hours of 1.30pm and 5.30pm
of Travis and areas in provocative and lewd positions. Together?
Together. Including in the shower, where Travis was ultimately found.
So she went all the way down to Mesa, California,
engaged in sex with Travis. Was there for four hours while they were taking photos of
each other? Being, you know, having sex or doing stuff. And some of the pictures that
some of the last on the camera roll were of Travis in the shower where he was murdered.
Like, pictures. So she literally took a photo of him, set the camera down, and then murdered him.
Oh my god. Well, sort of. Okay, well. So just moments after the last photo of Travis alive,
there were two more photographs taken. One of which seemed to be snapped as Jodi dropped the camera
out of her hands because you can kind of see her-ish. You can see someone with dark hair.
And everything's really dimly lit. The second of which is Jodi's foot. Her leggings clearly visible
with what appears to be a dead or dying Travis bleeding profusely on the ground.
She didn't mean to take that one? No. What investigators assume is that she kicked it to move it out of the way,
and it snapped a shot because there's no flash on. She wouldn't have known.
Oh my god. So one is like her either dropping the camera or something, and she tried to catch it.
And then another one is like after she kicked it. I'm not trying to say like that's a good thing,
but like how lucky. Like that's so damning. It's damning. Like you can't refuse.
Oh my god. You can't argue that. Yeah, you can't argue that.
Jesus. And this dumb lady doesn't even know that that's there. Yeah.
Or she- Yeah, she might have not noticed or did it really quickly or something, you know?
Yeah, or just deleted like everything at once without even looking through the photos.
Yeah, like a delete all or something. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely incredible.
That's so wild.
After 24 hours of being held in a jail cell, Jodi was ready to talk. But would she give the truth?
Oh no. Jodi claimed that yes, she did go visit Travis the day of June the third,
and while in his home, two intruders would come bursting in, threatening Jodi and ultimately
killing Travis. You just weren't going to mention that to like any of his friends or
roommates or anything? For five to six days, no. You think that the roommates might have,
I don't know, heard that people were brutally murdering someone after breaking into their home?
No. No. Her explanation for not being harmed was that the intruder said, quote,
she's not who we came here for, end quote. Oh my god, like a fucking movie. It's a movie.
Yeah. You're not the one I'm here for. Sorry, just not to the fucking thing.
Police rejected this claim as there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that anyone else had
perpetrated this crime and arrested Jodi on first degree murder charges July 9th, 2008,
which is Jodi's 28th birthday. He's like, hmm, the doggy door looks a little suspiciously pushed
over. Dang, that sucks on her birthday too, but hey, she fucking did it.
Jeez. During her trial, Jodi changed her story again to include that she killed Travis in self-defense.
Yeah. Okay. So we're going to believe you now that you lied to us twice and now you're going to
make up a story about how it was self-defense. Well, it was self-defense. Now I don't fucking
believe you. Her defense team maintained that Travis was emotionally, mentally, and physically
abusive towards Jodi and that Jodi had no other choice but to kill Travis to avoid further abuse.
How about all the character witnesses on his behalf? Right? Because there's a lot.
Yeah, there's a lot. Sure there is. Prosecution argued that Travis would not have possibly
been abusing Jodi, especially if she lived many states away and therefore was away from abuse.
Defense argued that it's just how controlling Travis was. He forced Jodi to make the trip since
she was still being brainwashed even states away, threatening to expose her nude photographs and
sell her reputation like she doesn't like she doesn't already do that. Yeah, just make the
victim look like the bad guy. Yeah, we love that. Jodi's defense even went so far to claim that
Travis was a pedophile and that Jodi was suffering from PTSD from all of the abuse.
I can't fucking stand when I know that defense attorneys are just doing their job, but I can't
fucking stand when they use the victim as the perpetrator. Like after death, like they're not
there to defend themselves for a reason. The prosecution agreed, yeah, Jodi does have a mental
disorder, but it's not PTSD. Instead, their psychologist who evaluated Jodi said that she
would likely qualify for having borderline personality disorder if anything. That's what
I was thinking. Absolutely. And also not to mention like if it was self-defense, like why
did she say that 27 times and then cut his throat and then what else did she do? Shoot him. Shoot
him. Yeah, that's self-defense. Okay. Either way, what was absolutely clear was that on the 2nd of
June, Jodi rented a car and the following day stopped by her ex-boyfriend's house. Remember,
Darryl? Oh no. She asked to borrow two gas cans. Darryl, assuming that he was just helping Jodi
out, obliged. Jodi then took the 15-hour long trip to Travis in Mesa, where Jodi killed Travis
after hours of intimacy. She then took the drive 10 hours up to Salt Lake City, where she visited
and engaged in sexual activity with Ryan Burns, then drove back to Ireka another 11 hours. In
total, she clocked 2,800 miles on the rental car. So you're telling me that she drove 15 hours.
She had 15 hours to reconsider from when she left Darryl's house to when she got to Travis.
Not 15, I'm sorry, 19, because she was with Travis for four hours before she killed him.
So she had almost an entire day to reconsider if not months before, because who knows how long she
was planning this. And I think that it's because she found out that Travis and Mimi were going on
a trip together. Well, God forbid Mimi was there when she showed up, you know? Like who knows,
she could have been a victim as well. People had said that if a girl was with him though,
she wouldn't do it. She needed to get him alone. Just because of who she was with that borderline
personality disorder. She wanted others to see good things about her. That's true. She meticulously
planned this. She would not have been able to follow through if someone was with him. Jesus.
That's so fucking scary. She took the two gas cans so she didn't have to fill up the car.
Oh, I see. I was thinking she was going to try to burn the place down or something.
No. She just didn't want to have a paper trail or anything like that.
Well, she fucked up. She took all those photos. Well, that's the thing. She lost all those voice
emails. They say ultimately she tried to commit the perfect crime, but it was because it was
committed by Jodi Arias, essentially. Yeah. That's why it wasn't the perfect crime.
Yes. So the photos and all that other stuff. So essentially that's kind of what the defense said
too, to piggyback off your point, that she had 19 hours to think about this, what changed.
And so the defense had said it was because during these intimate moments when she was
taking photos of Travis while he was in the shower, that she accidentally dropped the camera.
And that's where you see that one where it's kind of like an upward angle, that that's where that
snap was taken and that Travis attacked her. Like got mad at her. Got mad at her for dropping the
camera. Okay. Yeah. That's what changed. But I agree with you. I think that she knew what she
was going to do and because she had planned it. You know why? Why all the gas cans or whatever.
Yeah. Well, also she probably knew about his trip to Mexico somehow, some way. Yeah. She probably
thought that maybe if he left for Mexico, then she was really going to lose him forever because he
would spend this much time with this woman, you know, and or maybe fucking stay there longer or
whatever, you know, that she was thinking. It was noted that when she returned the rental car,
the floor mats were missing and reddish brownish stains could be found on the driver's seat.
Although police weren't able to collect any evidence because the car had been detailed after
that. So this was just a witness. Yeah. Arias decided to take the stand in her own defense.
That was always a great idea. Always great idea. And in an emotionless display, she described how
abusive Travis was to her, claiming that her position in the relationship was to satisfy
Travis so that he would not commit indecent acts with children. What a hero. I can't fucking deal
with that shit. At other times, she described what a beautiful relationship they had. So when
you watch the tapes, it's almost like you can see there's this last bit of control that she has over
Travis's narrative. And she's controlling about their relationship. It's just very, very gross.
Travis's brother, Steven, said about this quote, her mission was basically to murder my brother
again for a second time by destroying his reputation. Damn, that's heavy. Right. But it's true. It is.
She's trying to just, I mean, he's not here to defend himself. She's pretty much saying, like,
well, even if I did kill him, like he deserved it. Cause he was a piece of shit. Yeah. That's so
fucked up. I can't even, oh my God, I can't even believe that. Have you ever seen, you've seen Dexter?
You know that one episode where the guy winds up dead and then the wife is like all distraught
and she's like, we took this photo on our honeymoon and Quinn is like, oh, you want to take something
of his? Like she's like really upset. And Debra is like, no, like she's, she's fucking, she did it.
Yeah. And Quinn's like, yeah, I knew the whole time, but I was just trying to like make her
understand. And Debra was like, oh, this is a really great photo. Did you get a chance to see it
before you killed him? And it's like, like literally like the same thing. Like she's like
acting like this distraught woman. Right. Who someone came in and attacked, but her story
doesn't fucking add up. It doesn't, it doesn't add up at all. But essentially by what Steven was saying,
that she was, she's essentially revictimizing the family all over again. And Travis, which is just
oh, tremendous. Kiss me off. On May 7th, 2013, Jody Ann Arias was found guilty on first degree
murder after 15 hours of deliberation. Wow. She was found eligible for the death penalty,
as the crime was exceptionally brutal. Travis's cause of death was actually the slash to his
throat, meaning that the stabbing and the gunshot was overkill. Like we had mentioned earlier.
I want to say that like, if I can just like speculate, she stabbed him first and then she
slid his throat and then she shot him, I think. So I think what, I don't know how she did it or how
she got him in this position. Essentially, they could tell that the gunshot was last because
there was no blood from the wound. It was done postmortem. Yeah. I think from what they could
tell is that when she slashed his throat, she got carotid angiocular and that's he bled out. And then
I think she did that first and then because all of his stab wounds were, oh my wrist just cracked,
all of his stab wounds were in his back. Oh, okay. And if they see it, it's just a stand-up shower.
So if he had his back turned, I don't know, she probably convinced him to get him down on his knees.
Behind him or something. Behind him. Got it. Got his, yeah, did his throat and then as,
maybe he fell forward, she stabbed him in the back. Okay, that makes me retract what I just said.
And then his gunshot wound was right above the right eyebrow into, yeah, and then, but it did
a downward angle and it almost exited his left cheek. Got it. So, but it was very, yeah, or
depending if he's slumped because the way that he's slumped is essentially like, okay, stand-up
shower and stand in the shower but turn to your left and his back is slumped up against the right.
So what I'm thinking is that when he's slumped, he might have turned his head
or something at a certain angle and that's how she was able to. Or she moved him. Or she moved him.
That's true. I mean, he didn't, well, there was blood all over the hallway and the bedroom.
I wonder if he, you know, there was clearly a struggle because if you look at his hands,
and I don't want to get too graphic, but if you look at his hands, his hands have some defensive
wounds on him. I want to say maybe four to five cuts, but they look very erratic. Like, it was in
the moment that he was getting his throat slit. It wasn't him trying to get, you know, I don't know.
It just, it's just awful. And so I think she placed him back into the shower.
Oh, so that would make sense because of the picture of her foot. He's clearly laying down
in front of her. It's awful.
I know. It's like, exceptionally brutal crime.
Her first sentencing hearing ended in a mistrial as jurors could not agree on life imprisonment
or death. At Aries' retrial, the jury deadlocked yet again 11 to 1 for the death penalty.
It's a one juror that hung on. This was after 26 hours over five days.
Oh my God.
So they super was not about it. They was. They was super not about it.
They super was not about it.
So the judge refused to declare a mistrial and renegotiated terms to either life without parole
or life with the possibility of parole after 25 years.
Oh, yikes.
On April 13th, Aries was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.
Aries has tried to appeal her conviction and even cites that the media frenzy is what caused,
like, that was caused by the prosecution is grounds for a new trial.
Whenever.
She's like, everybody is just talking about me.
It's so much popular.
Yes.
She has remained steadfast all the way up until 2020,
which was one of the last appeals that she had.
Is she alive?
Yeah.
She's alive.
Aries is now 43.
Well, she will be 43.
Oh yeah, because she just turned, yeah, because her birthday is July 9th.
So she just turned 43.
Oh my God.
She's worked in the Perryville, Arizona State Prison Library since 2018.
She has been reprimanded at least once for being disrespectful to the staff, which whatever.
Whatever.
No word on if she is being treated for mental disorders at this time.
Probably not.
Although she has been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder.
Damn.
In the years since the trials, the Jodi area support groups have gotten bigger and bigger.
Oh no.
These groups believe that Jodi was a victim of domestic violence and ultimately had no choice
but to kill her abuser.
These groups have taken up donations in order to support Jodi area's appellate fund in order
to assist her and her desire to be freed from prison one day.
Even Jodi herself has taken up painting and drawing, selling these pieces of work in an
effort to raise money for her appellate fund.
Our friend Travis, the Travis Alexander story, was written by Travis's friends,
Chris and Sky Hughes.
The book details Travis's legacy and the unforeseen tragedy that befell him through the
actions of Jodi areas.
The book's description reads, quote,
They wrote this book to share to the world who Travis Victor Alexander was,
the reality of what he endured, and the impact he continues to have on this world.
Chris and Sky Hughes are able to offer an insight that few, if any, have into Travis's life
and the evil that ultimately ended it.
The world deserves to know the real Travis and they hope that you will get to know him
through this book.
They hope that his loving demeanor, zest for life, passion for service, and ability to
make people realize their divine potential jumps off the page and right into your heart.
It was released in 2015.
Oh my god, I got the heaps like three times like that.
You did, I saw you.
That's the story of Jodi area.
The story.
The story of Jodi.
God, the story of Jodi areas.
That was a whirlwind.
Honestly, like you're so funny because you're like, you'll definitely know this case.
I know the name.
I did not know this case.
I thought she was a serial killer.
Oh really?
As soon as I heard the name, I was like, oh yeah, I think she's a serial killer.
Like I did not know.
Yeah.
But damn, that is a wild story.
It is a wild story.
Like we say that every time we do a case.
But shit, it was wild.
Yeah.
Well, thanks for bringing that.
I know before we sat down to record mom was like, do you know who she's doing?
And I was like, no, she's like, oh, like she knew and everything.
And I told her who I was doing next week.
So I complained to Cliff like the entire time I was researching.
I love it.
I was like, oh god, I hate her.
Yeah.
Well, that was a really great story the way that you told it.
I mean, not the story itself, but thank you for bringing that.
For sure.
Absolutely.
And thank you guys for joining us for another regular episode of the DAK.
We have another potential DAK live in the works.
It'll be coming out probably next month.
We don't like to do those every month, but every couple of months.
Every couple months.
Yeah.
And then be looking forward to the Patreon bonus episode coming out.
It'll be two days after this comes out.
So that's really exciting.
Yeah.
That one's fucking gnarly.
Next, this whole month is just going to be like crazy.
Yeah, absolutely.
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Very very excited.
Definitely, definitely.
All right, do you have anything else?
Nope, that's it.
Okay.
Okay, well, see you guys later.
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