1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,000 Hello! 2 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Hello! 3 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,360 Welcome to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer. 4 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:05,360 I'm Koelle. 5 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:06,360 I'm kind of... 6 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:07,360 It's the mental breakdown, my bad. 7 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:08,360 I was waiting for you to say it. 8 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:09,360 Ah, just hit my hand. 9 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:10,360 We'll do a great start. 10 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:11,360 We'll do a great start. 11 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:12,360 Ah. 12 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:39,040 Hi. 13 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:45,560 So, this is the first conversation you and I have had today. 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:46,560 I think it's the first conversation. 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:47,560 You and I... 16 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:48,560 Oh, that's true. 17 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:49,560 Because you came home last night. 18 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,560 Yeah. 19 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:51,560 Night before. 20 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:52,560 I was home last night. 21 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:53,560 Last night. 22 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,560 But I'm just saying I get home and run into my room to do some research on other topics. 23 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,560 And then we sit down and we're like, hey, how's it going? 24 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,040 We don't say anything until we start recording. 25 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,040 So, Professor. 26 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,720 So, Profesh, how did your day go? 27 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:07,720 It was good. 28 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,520 a little tired because yesterday was a big day. KC's team won the championship, which is super 29 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,120 exciting. I don't know if anyone doesn't know my boyfriend plays baseball on a men's league, 30 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:21,480 and he's like all about baseball. And yesterday they had their last game and they won the whole 31 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,920 thing and it was really exciting. It was a game-winning home run by none other than Brian Witt, 32 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:32,280 so shout out Brian. But yeah, it was fun. And then we went to celebrate, of course. Yeah. We 33 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,360 got home kind of early, but we still went to bed really late. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Long day, 34 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:41,880 what about you? Leftovers in the fridge. Did you go to 54th? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, like I bummed 35 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:49,560 about it. She's so bummed about it. I don't like it. Pretty good. Just, you know, got up, 36 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:58,520 started doing chores, went to H.E.B., yeah. The E.U.J. The E.U.J. ran some errands. Love it. Went to 37 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:05,880 go see the the dude's mom. She's so sweet. She's the sweetest thing. Yeah, I love that. I know. 38 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:11,080 Well, I guess we can get into this minty breaky, but before we do, I just want to say 39 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,560 thanks to all of our Patreon members, Jay will actually change his tier to tier number two, 40 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:21,080 so he's going to get access to all those extra goodies. If you don't know what we have on Patreon, 41 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:26,600 we have three tiers on our Patreon members. Every tier does get ad-free episodes every week. 42 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,400 Tears two and three are going to get an additional bonus episode. No content warning, all graphic, 43 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:36,440 all the nitty gritty. Pretty like bigger cases than we normally would do graphic wise, 44 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:41,320 and that's going to be on the 29th of every month. I'm doing the toolbox killers for my next one 45 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,720 that's coming out on the 29th of this month, so get prepared for that because those guys are 46 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:51,560 fucking ruthless. It's disgusting. It's disgusting. And there's like transcripts and stuff, like kind 47 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:56,280 of like the toy box. So I just get the bad ones. Oh gosh, the case I'm doing right now, there's like 48 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:02,520 autopsy reports. It's brutal. I keep having to like pause. Yeah. I mean, this is the one that's 49 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:10,040 going to be coming out on Thursday. So it's a little bit of a doozy for a common case. Yeah. 50 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:17,000 For a common episode, I guess. Not common. That sounds like peasants. It's just a common. 51 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,600 It's a peasant one. Well, you guys can definitely check us out at patreon.com slash diagnosing a 52 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:27,080 killer if you want access to those. We also have diagnosing a killer.com where you can find links to 53 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:32,920 like super cool merch and resources and all that jazz. You do get 15% off on the tickets to the 54 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:36,920 True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival. That is happening in like three weeks, y'all. And we're 55 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,720 going to be there. So please, please come support us. We would love to meet all of you guys. And 56 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,880 we are also on Instagram and everywhere else at diagnosing a killer except for Twitter, which is 57 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:53,960 at Killer Diagnosis. That was my cat if you can't hear. And email us diagnosingkiller.com at gmail.com. 58 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:03,000 Diagnosingkiller at gmail.com. Send us an email, live laugh lurk. Live laugh lurk. Jen messaged me 59 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:11,640 through Instagram about the Go To Jon episode. Who? Jen? Jennifer. Jennifer. Jennifer. 60 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:16,520 Patreon Jennifer? Yes. Oh, okay. Saying that the HBO documentary wasn't saying for that case. And 61 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:21,160 I was like, is that the mom dead and dearest? Mommy dead and dearest. Yeah, mommy dead and dearest. 62 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:27,720 She said, yeah, it's an insane documentary. Yeah, no. And I love that when I posted that we were 63 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:32,280 doing it, Lady was like, oh my gosh, like, can't wait to listen to this one. I actually listened 64 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:35,960 back. Like I haven't really been listening back lately. But I listened back to that one. I was 65 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:42,600 like, dang, I did a, I did a pretty good job if I do say so myself. Can I, can I tends to not listen 66 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:48,360 right away? I tend as soon as it's posted, I have to listen to it. I need to know. I need to know. 67 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,880 I need to know. And then I haven't really been listening lately. But that one I did. I was like, 68 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,880 this one was, oh, and I, I drove down to the coast. So I obviously had like two and a half hours to 69 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:00,200 kill. So I was like, yeah, and I might as well. And you eventually listen to them. Yeah, yeah. It's 70 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:05,160 just, it's like, you ever see a celebrity, you're here, celebrities say, oh, I never watched my 71 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,640 own movies or I never watched myself on TV. I never want to get to that point. I always want to, 72 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:14,440 like, remember things. Yeah, exactly. Because sometimes people come up to me and they'll give 73 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,040 me like a quote from an episode and I'll be like, I have no idea what you're talking about. They'll 74 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,720 say, oh, it's from episode blah blah blah. And I'm like, oh, I need to like go back and listen. 75 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:29,080 Oh, that's so funny. Episode blah blah blah. Yeah. Well, we actually, I think are at 100 episodes 76 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:35,000 posted on our page. I'm pretty sure it's like 99 or 100. Let me list. Because Gypsy's was 77 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:41,960 102. So we have 101 episodes total posted. So if this is your first time listening, obviously, 78 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:49,160 you've seen our page. But that means that you have 100 episodes to listen to. Well, no, because 79 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:55,480 101 as we're recording this. So that'd be 102. So you have 101 right now. But anyway, let's get into 80 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:00,600 this mental breakdown. I'm excited. Today, we're going to be talking about the difference between 81 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:08,040 psychopaths and sociopaths. What? That's interesting. So in order to talk about psychopathy and 82 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:15,480 sociopathy, sociopathy, sociopathy, sociopathy, sociopathy, sociopathy, sociopathy, sociopathy. 83 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:20,600 We know. We got it. Cool. Let's talk about psychopaths and sociopaths. We first need to 84 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:25,560 talk about antisocial personality disorder, as both of these terms are not considered clinical 85 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:32,680 diagnosis. Yes, I know. That's why it's interesting. So according to the DSM-5, anti-social personality 86 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:38,600 disorder is defined as A. This is the first one that I've ever seen that does A, B, C, D, but then 87 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,800 also has little criteria underneath each one. I know. And usually when we look at the DSM-5, 88 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:51,320 it just has just the definition and then the bullets, right? So A, a pervasive pattern of 89 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:58,200 disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15, as indicated by three or 90 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:04,520 more of the following. Okay. Number one, failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful 91 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:10,840 behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest. Number two, 92 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:17,720 deceitfulness as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal 93 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,760 profit or pleasure. Use of aliases. That's interesting. Like it's very specific. Yeah. 94 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:28,600 Use of aliases. All right, Dee Dee. I was going to say, yeah, people like Dee Dee Blanchard or, 95 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:34,120 you know, people like, I don't know, give me another example. I don't know. The colonel. The colonel. 96 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:39,160 Call me the colonel. Go with the colonel. We're saying, you know, oh, yeah, my name is, yeah, H-H, 97 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:49,560 or my name is Liz, not Liz, it's Elizabeth, you know. Who did that? Oh, it was not Jimmy, 98 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:55,320 it's James. That was- Oh, yeah. Oh my gosh. That's so funny. That was what's her face. Number three, 99 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:03,080 impulsivity or failure to plan ahead. What's like, who does that? Me. Everybody. You have to have three 100 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:10,520 or more. Four, irritability and aggressiveness as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults. 101 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:20,200 Me. No, she's kidding. Me. Five, reckless disregard for safety of self or others. Okay. Number six, 102 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:25,560 consistent irresponsibility as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work 103 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:32,520 behavior or honor financial obligations. Number seven, lack of remorse as indicated by being 104 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:38,440 indifferent to or rationalizing, having hurt, mistreated or stolen from another. Okay. So that's 105 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:44,360 all A, if you meet three or more of this criteria, you may have this or again, I'm not here to 106 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:49,400 diagnose anybody, just that's what- that's the criteria you have to meet for your antisocial 107 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,920 personality disorder. For sure. And a lot of people that we've talked about in the past have 108 00:08:53,720 --> 00:09:00,360 almost all, if not- most of them, not all of those criteria. Right. Bundy. Yeah. Bundyth. Bundyth. 109 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:08,040 So that was A. So B is the individual has to be at least 18 years old. C, there is evidence of 110 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:13,880 conduct disorder with an onset before age 15. So otherwise, essentially before age 15, it would 111 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:18,280 be some type of a conduct disorder that they would have. And finally, D, the occurrence of 112 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:23,960 antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder as well. 113 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,200 Okay. Yeah. I feel like a lot of people think- and we- we did an entire episode on antisocial 114 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,280 personality disorder. A lot of people think that that means like, antisocial, like you don't want 115 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,360 to talk to people, well, that's not what it means. It means like, the lack of empathy is like a really 116 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:41,080 big deal. Yes. I agree with that because I also tried to look up celebrities with antisocial 117 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:46,840 personality disorder. And it's like, Angelina Jolie likes her privacy. And it's like, that's not 118 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:55,800 what that means, you know? She goes to her five beach houses to get away from people. No. It's 119 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:01,000 not funny. But that is the reason that we're doing this. Yeah. Misunderstood. So that people don't 120 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,360 say like, oh, I had antisocial personality disorder. I don't like being around people like, 121 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:13,560 that's not what that means. Yeah. Yeah. Looking to expand your wine knowledge or just indulge in 122 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:19,400 your favorites, Gold Medal Wine Club is what you're looking for. Enjoy small production, award-winning 123 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:24,840 wines from authentic family-owned wineries delivered right to your door. 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Hmm. Because deceit and manipulation are 132 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,760 central features of antisocial personality disorder, it may be especially helpful to 133 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:24,040 integrate information acquired from the systemic clinical assessment with information collected 134 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:33,160 from collateral sources. Damn. That's the worst sentence. Yeah. Okay. So in a way, antisocial 135 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,280 personality disorder is kind of an umbrella, and then these two are kind of underneath that 136 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,840 umbrella. Got it. But it is absolutely in the DSM-5. Those words are in the DSM-5. They're just not 137 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:46,840 a clinical diagnosis. Yeah, absolutely. And that's why, like, you know, we try to steer clear of that 138 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,440 being like a diagnosis that we talk about, like especially with Ted Bundy. I was like, a lot of 139 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:55,400 people have referred to him as a true sociopath or a true psychopath, but those are not diagnoses, 140 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,080 right? Right. So he has to have had something else that that would have just been a part of, 141 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,720 a.k.a. antisocial personality disorder. Yeah. Narcissistic personality disorder. Absolutely. 142 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,600 So now that we've talked about the DSM-5's definition of antisocial personality disorder 143 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,960 and what it means to be maybe a psychopath or a sociopath, we're going to talk about the differences. 144 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:19,560 Okay. So sociopaths make it clear they do not care about how others feel. They tend to behave in 145 00:12:19,560 --> 00:12:26,040 very hotheaded and impulsive ways and are prone to fits of anger and rage. Sociopaths recognize 146 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:31,320 what they are doing is wrong, but rationalize their behavior instead. Got it. Sociopaths can 147 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:36,040 not maintain irregular work and family life, but are able to form some type of emotional 148 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,920 attachment, although it can be very difficult. That sounds like narcissistic personality disorder, 149 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,840 which again, that could definitely be a under the umbrella of that. Right. I feel like the 150 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:50,360 narcissism comes in when it's more that grandiose sense of self that we've talked about. 151 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:56,760 But I can see, I think that when we, again, we're going to keep talking about Bundy because it's 152 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:02,680 the prime example, right? Yeah. He tended to be very hotheaded and get very angry very quickly, 153 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:09,400 would be quick to anger. And he would go like to the biggest lengths just to like get revenge on 154 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:15,000 someone, you know. So psychopaths pretend to care. They display cold, harder behavior, 155 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,400 and they fail to recognize other people's distress. Psychopaths have relationships 156 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:24,600 that are shallow and fake and can maintain a normal life as a cover for criminal activity, 157 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:29,720 although they fail to form genuine emotional attachments. See, that's something that like 158 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:35,800 or like even Bundy, you know, like that's something that is so interesting to me. Like, 159 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:40,200 how do you even know like if someone's being genuine because they can put it on so well? 160 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,120 Yes. Again, just like Bundy in his interviews, we talked about this before, but in court, 161 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:48,920 he's this charming lawyer dude, he's handsome, he has it all together. Right. And then someone 162 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,200 says something he doesn't like in the audience and he turns around and you could just see the 163 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,920 switch on his face. Like everything before that was fake. And that's the real Bundy. Like I have 164 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:04,120 the he was just thinking about it. Like, it's just sorry, it's just so hard to kind of pinpoint 165 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:08,520 like who can do that. You know, it's scary because it's like you could be taken advantage of really 166 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,520 easily. Of course, especially if they're if they are really good at it, you know, and that's 167 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,760 something that they've been able to practice or hone in on as as what they would consider to be 168 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:23,240 a skill. Right. Strangely enough, psychopaths may even love people, but this is in a way that they 169 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:29,480 understand what love to be. So think of like Robert Durst, Kathy Durst, right. He loved Kathy, 170 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:37,400 but you know, it's but it's still his way of love, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Or again, 171 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:42,680 like BTK, it's his way like he might love his wife, but it's his version of what he thinks love is. 172 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:50,200 It might not be it might be tangled up in simply the fact that his wife is a cover or whatever. 173 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:56,280 But yeah, exactly. Whatever they think love should be is what they exactly the same way that his wife 174 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,600 would say, you know, if you love me, you wouldn't do something like you've been doing and keep all 175 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:05,560 these secrets. Yeah, love to me, but that might be love to him, like I'm protecting her from my 176 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:12,360 real world. Exactly. You know, yeah. Unfortunately, it is a common misconception that a person with 177 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:17,880 either of these types of anti social personality disorder are inherently violent. Plenty of people 178 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:23,000 with anti social personality disorder lead successful and fulfilling lives. According to a 179 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:29,800 2014 article by PubMed Central, approximately only 20% of prisoners in North America qualify as 180 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:35,240 having anti social personality disorder. So even though it's again this misconception that you're 181 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:40,680 inherently violent and that you will always cause problems, you know, you're always going to be cutting 182 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,120 or yeah, exactly. Or you're always going to end you're just a bad person, you're going to end up 183 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:49,560 in jail. Only 20% of those people qualify. That's not even people that are diagnosed. Yeah, absolutely. 184 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:55,720 Interesting. Although individuals with anti social personality disorder are 15 to 25 times more 185 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:01,000 likely to break the law as it is written in the DSM five criteria. So it's yeah, again, 20% of 186 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:09,240 prisoners that qualify. But people with a disorder have 15 to 25 times more likely of a chance to 187 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:14,840 break the law. A study from 2006 on people who struggle with symptoms of anti social personality 188 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:19,800 disorder noted that up to 51% of people living with a disorder feel no remorse for their actions. 189 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,880 And that's probably why they're more likely to commit a crime because they don't really realize 190 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,520 the weight that it holds to do that. Or they I mean, a lot of crimes, they probably think, oh, 191 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:33,400 it's a victimless crime. It's a victimless crime. You know, but it's most likely not. But you know, 192 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,560 it might be the thought process of like, oh, like, I don't or I don't even care if it is a victim 193 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,560 crime, you know, I don't care who I hurt. Yeah, absolutely. I agree with that. And again, we're 194 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:46,520 not here saying that everybody with anti social personality disorder is a criminal. We're not 195 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,600 saying that. Absolutely. And we're not saying either that everybody with anti social personality 196 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:55,080 disorder is classified as a psychopath or a sociopath. That's true. That's just a, again, 197 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,160 something under the umbrella. Yeah, not all criminals have anti social personality disorder. 198 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:03,800 You know, we can all just sit here all day and just stand ourselves. We're just reading what the 199 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:09,560 book says. Yeah. Many people choose to believe that someone who is considered a psychopath or 200 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:15,560 a sociopath are simply just born that way. But plenty of outside influences can cause or exacerbate 201 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:20,520 an already occurring mental illness. Some comorbidities for anti social personality disorder 202 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:26,600 may include major depressive disorder, bipolar disorder, gambling disorder, sexual and paraffinic 203 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:34,280 disorders, substance use disorders, or somatic symptom disorders, which hyper focus on the 204 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:40,280 physical symptoms of the point of distress. Yeah. It is estimated to affect between 0.6% 205 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:48,440 and 3.6% of adults and is three times more common amongst men than women. 206 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,760 Well, that's like a really wide range of like average, but it makes sense because a lot of 207 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:57,480 people go undiagnosed. I absolutely agree with that. A lot of people probably experiencing 208 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,000 symptoms like that. First of all, might not even realize that there's something 209 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:07,400 not normative about the way they act, or they're too almost prideful or like don't really care 210 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,240 enough to get help. Right? So they just go undiagnosed. It's true, especially if you feel 211 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,400 like there's nothing wrong with your behavior. Yeah. Exactly. Like why would you choose to 212 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:21,240 seek it out? Yeah, because you're fine. Because you're fine. So yeah. Everything's just fine. 213 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:28,280 So treatment for anti social personality disorder can range between family therapy, 214 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:34,440 behavioral therapy, psychotherapy. Again, talk to your GP. Yeah. Do your due diligence. If you 215 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,440 feel like you suffer from any of those symptoms, talk to a friend. Absolutely. You know, it's always 216 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:43,000 good to have somebody in your corner that you can trust and, you know, obviously just go with your 217 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,640 gut. And that's why we do these so that we can give people some more knowledge on 218 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:53,160 symptoms that they or a friend could possibly be experiencing. For sure. And even treating 219 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:58,280 other symptoms like we said, you know, coronaviridity with major depression, major depressive 220 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:03,880 disorder or substance use disorder, a lot of those can alleviate your symptoms as well. 221 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:10,120 So yeah. Absolutely. So just, of course, we've talked about Bundy so far, maybe Dahmer, 222 00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:17,960 H.H. Holmes, Ed Gein, John Wayne Gacy, all of those, you know, infamous killers have been 223 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:24,360 dubbed psychopaths, although it's not, again, not a clinical diagnosis. But kind of an interesting 224 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:31,320 fact that I came across is how many people have written their main characters in storylines to be 225 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,760 psychopaths or sociopaths, people like the Joker. Oh yeah, I mean, obviously. 226 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:43,240 James Bond apparently was written as a psychopath. What? Yeah, which is really interesting. Sherlock 227 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:48,440 Holmes apparently is a psychopath. Huh. Yeah. So I thought that was really interesting how many times, 228 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:55,000 you know, psychopaths or sociopaths have been written about as kind of these very interesting 229 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,160 characters, but mostly like they're kind of, they're good guys. Yeah, like intelligent, 230 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:05,720 like really intelligent, oh, the Joker. But James Bond, Sherlock Holmes, you know, it's all about 231 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:11,160 enigma. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, I found that to be very, very interesting. Apparently Neil Armstrong 232 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:16,920 was on that list. Huh. But people considered him to be a psychopath. Interesting. Yeah. Gary Beasie, 233 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:23,560 I mean, saw that. Sean Penn, Mike Tyson, Courtney Love. Dang. There's a lot, there's a lot of 234 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,920 people out there. Yeah. And of course, these are like, these are, you know, they're a little, 235 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,840 they're a little wild. They're a little subjective. And they're a little wild child, but they're 236 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,840 hugely successful people. Yeah, absolutely. Which is interesting. I feel like I said, 237 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:39,880 absolutely, like a freaking knowledge of that. Absolutely. Oh, Brad Doriff. I love Brad Doriff. 238 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,920 He did the voice of Chucky. Aw, right? Wait, Chucky, the creepy guy or Chucky from Love Rats? 239 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:51,960 Oh. I was like, aw, no, that was a girl that did Chucky. Never mind. Never mind. Well, thanks for 240 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,640 bringing that. That was an interesting topic. I know we've always really kind of seen those words 241 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,240 thrown around when we're doing research and stuff and every, you know, other podcasts that we listen 242 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,480 to, a lot of people say that, but it's nice to know that it's not a clinical diagnosis. So 243 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,040 you can tell your friends that you learned something new. If someone goes, oh, that person's 244 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,720 a psychopath, like, no, they're not because they weren't diagnosed. They can't be diagnosed that. 245 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:14,280 Yeah. Well, that was... Well, you mean anti-social personality disorder? 246 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,560 Nobody could see me, but I was pushing up my glasses. Pushing up the glasses to make yourself 247 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,600 look smart. Smart. Wicked smart. Wicked smart. Well, you guys definitely join us on Thursday for 248 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:29,000 another case. And then we have our 29th episode coming out, not 29th episode, but the 29th of 249 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,080 this month is going to be a Patreon bonus episode. Yeah, Patreon bonus. And we're doing... 250 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,120 Can we come up with something for that? Yeah, we're doing a lot, a lot of work this week because 251 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:39,800 we're actually recording two additional episodes because I'm going to be at a town for an entire 252 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:45,160 week, like starting after like the 31st. So we're going to get all of that content out to you. We're 253 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,440 not going to skip a week just because I'm going to be gone. We're going to pre-record for you guys 254 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,680 because we know that you guys like us to be prompt and you love our episodes and we don't want to 255 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,720 miss out on anything, right? Well, in the meantime, you guys send us an email or a DM or anything of 256 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,680 anything you want to hear. Maybe if you are listening to these mental breakdowns and you're 257 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,200 like, man, they haven't done something that I've been really thinking about yet. Let us know. 258 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,160 Of course, all of the case suggestions we have written down. We could only do so many cases 259 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,000 at a time because they're really long. So we have your suggestions written down and we will 260 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:18,200 definitely get to them. 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