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Hello. Hello. Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer. I'm Koelle and I'm Kenna and

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you're almost

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27, 28. Girl, you're leaving the whole day out. What year is it?

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Yes, T-minus, well I guess a few days, this is gonna come out the day before my birthday.

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38. At 38, 28. Yes, T-minus a couple days is what I meant to say, like for my birthday, but

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you guys will be hearing this the day before my birthday. Yeah. Yeah, it's wild. I'm getting

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fucking elderly. It's totally fine. My back hurts all the time. I almost broke my toe trying to stand

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up yesterday, so that was fun. And I had a huge ass panic attack at work today, so that was the first

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and I like a dead ass thought I was gonna pass out. I had to sit down, it was bad.

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Jeez. It was really bad, like I'm still feeling the effects of it like now and it's been like

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almost 12 hours. It's been an intense week. Yeah. Yeah. Just in general. And it has. Once the week,

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like the week is over, I think it'll be better by Monday because you're gonna go out of town

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this weekend. Yeah. And that's exciting. Yeah. Yeah. I'm really excited. So we're going to the

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birthday weekend. We're gonna wakeboard and jet ski and we have two of our really good friends,

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Braxton and Kaylee, that have never been to the lake house with us, so we're gonna go

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with them and this is like our first like little mini vacay with them that we've ever done. So

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that's really exciting. And then also I'm gonna announce this at my birthday dinner on Friday,

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but I got accepted to grad school. Congratulations. Thank you. That's awesome. That's something that's

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been really kind of stressing me out because like not only am I accepted, but now I have to do all

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of the stuff before the three weeks goes by when I start classes. Right. Because I kind of did my

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application a little bit late, but it went through. I'm accepted and I will be pursuing an MS in

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forensic psych. That is really scary to say. Incredible. You're not scared, you're excited.

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I'm so excited. Yeah. I can't believe you start before I do because I don't start until after

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the festival. Yeah, mine starts on the 7th of August. Like it's early, but it's completely online. I

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mean, it's so is yours, but I don't know. I don't know how it works, but yeah, it's fucking a while.

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It's gonna take you about two years, but throughout that time, listeners, you'll be able to hear my

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knowledge increase on the topics that we bring you every day. That's so exciting. So that's pretty

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cool, right? I feel like I'm gonna sound smarter like a couple weeks, just in a couple weeks,

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getting that knowledge. We're on an upswing here. Yeah, I think we are. For sure. Like I'm almost

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done with my associates and then after that, hopefully transfer to a university. Yeah. The

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university that I want because my GPA is right where I want it to be. Yeah, your GPA is awesome.

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You're doing a great job getting it up there. Mine was terrible. I think I was like a tenth of a

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GPA point above like the minimum. Really? The master's. Oh no, I definitely wanted them to be

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able to look at my application and be like, oh, clearly GPA is there. Clearly she put it in the

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we are going to be talking about Brenn Omdil Hartman. Okay. Now she might not sound too familiar

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to you right now, but she will. She will sound familiar. Okay. Content warning, this episode

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So Brenn Omdil Hartman was actually born Vicki Jo Omdil on April 11th, 1958. Vicki Jo. Vicki

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Jo. I feel like we always get those names. Vicki Jo. She was born in Thief River Falls in Minnesota

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to parents Donald Jean and Constance or Connie Faye Omdil. I think Constance is such a cute name.

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I think so too. Constance. I think of Constance though when I think of Monster House because

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that was the big lady. Yeah. The wife. Yeah. Oh yeah, the house. Yeah. She's like that was her.

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She was the house. I think that was Kathleen Turner. Yeah, she was the house. I want to say

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she was Kathleen Turner. I love her raspy voice. Donald worked as an engineer and Connie worked

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for a local retail shop. Cute, quaint. Brenn was one of four kiddos or in this case Vicki Jo

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because she was born in Vicki Jo. Yes. Or Vicki. Vicki was one of four kiddos and they were all

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raised in a middle class Christian household. Vicki had an older brother named Greg and then she

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had two sisters, Catherine and Deborah. Greg. Greg. Gregory. As long as her family remembers,

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Vicki was a vivacious, charismatic and ambitious young child. She was known to be extremely funny

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and silly. She would be considered the troublemaker of the four kids. At a young age, Vicki expressed

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her desire to be famous like as an actress or a model. I want to be famous. I want to be famous.

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You're going to see my name up in lights blah blah. But for real. So those around her gave her a

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lot of encouragement to become an actress or a model. She was always really cute or she was,

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you know, grew up and blossomed into this beautiful woman. The encouragement seemed to validate Vicki's

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kind of arrogant attitude after a certain time. Like she often thought that she was better than

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others because one day she dreamed that she would just leave this small town behind and go to LA

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and be this famous person, right? You know who that sounds like? That sounds like Cousin Vicki

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from Vegas Vacation. Yeah. She's like, she's like dancing on the side and she gets ovary

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up there like with her. Andre or Aubrey on her. Yeah. The blonde girl. She's like, look,

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he's like my daughter's famous. She's on the billboard. Yeah. It's like sex work. Yeah, exactly.

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Call this number. Gross. Yeah. He's like, do that little number at Shoddy sweetheart and then it's

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on a pole. So gross. I want something better. What's up better than this goddamn life? Did you lose your place?

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I was thinking about Vegas Vacation. It's a good movie. I love that movie. Great fucking movie.

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So Vicki was 5'10". She was blonde-haired, blue eyes and beautiful. And this came with its own

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sense of superiority over others as well because she got a lot of attention or admiration. It came

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very easily to her, especially from men. She was described as a very girl next door, quote, unquote.

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Wouldn't the girl next door kind of be like someone that's like not outwardly like at first glance,

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like really good looking and it's someone that's like kind of just like down to earth and genuine

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and doesn't really realize how pretty they are? I feel like that's what I think of when I think of

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girl next door. Girl next door. Yeah, maybe. I think maybe it was because she was conventionally

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attractive. You know, yeah. Got it. So by high school age, Vicki began to go by Vicki Joe as it

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made her seem more exotic or something. Vicki Joe. Vicki Joe would begin dating a man by the name of

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Douglas Torfinn when she was in high school, which Douglas had already been married and divorced at

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this point. Couldn't really figure out how old Douglas was, but either way in the May in May

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of 1977, the two would marry after being together for a few years. So if you do the math, she's

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born in 1958 and she's married in 1977. She would be 19 years old. Oh my gosh. So I don't know how

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old this guy was, but either way, they were like together for about eight years. Dang. Yes. That's

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still like kind of gross though. Yeah. I'm sorry, they were together eight years and she got married

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at 19. Is that what you're saying? No, they would be married for, they would get married in 1977

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and they would be married for eight to nine years. I was like, hold the phone. She was eight. I had

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to do that. Eight, eleven? I did that too. And I was like, wait a minute, this can't be right. And I

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had to go find other sources. Douglas was the kind of guy that was ready to settle down and have kids,

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but Vicki Joe again was not satisfied with living in a simple town. She did not want to be a house

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wife. She had these big dreams. So eventually the couple would divorce and Vicki would find this

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as kind of an opportunity for her to pursue her modeling and acting career. Okay. And how old

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is she around this point? Oh gosh, eight years later? Yeah, about 28. Vicki would find mild

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success in local shoots and she would get headshots and all that other stuff. She tried to

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do modeling locally and as soon as she had this kind of like portfolio put together,

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she decided to move to LA and she took acting courses as well. She lived extremely modestly

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in LA and she struggled to get jobs almost immediately. After some failed attempts at

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launching her career, Vicki Joe changed her name to Brendan as it seemed even more unique.

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Brendan. B-R-I-D-O-N. Like it almost looks like Brydon, but it's Brendan. Yeah, Brynden.

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For a girl. For a girl. I'm just going to call her Bryn from now on because she does shorten it to Bryn.

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A childhood friend of Bryn's would later recall, quote, when I met her, she was Vicki. Then she

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became Vicki Joe, then Brendan and then Bryn. I'd laugh all the time and say, who are you this week?

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End quote. Hell of a wall. The name change seemed to help a little bit as Brynden would eventually

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book her first swimsuit job. It's a swimsuit model. She would continue to model swimsuits

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in various catalogs over some time, but it still wasn't the ultimate success that she craved.

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She tried out for many acting roles with no callbacks. Brynden had thought that since everyone

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at home had admired her, being in LA was going to be no problem. She just thought that she would

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be able to find work very quickly. And that wasn't the case. No, serious reality check. When you go

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to LA, everybody's tall, skinny and beautiful. Everybody's blonde and blue-eyed. Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, like it's not just you now. Brendan would soon become depressed and once on a night out,

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Brendan tried cocaine for the first time as it was a part of the regular nightlife.

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However, she would become highly addicted to cocaine and alcohol, resulting in multiple

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stents in rehab. Oh, shit. Brendan would change her name simply to Bryn, but now sober after rehab

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and on Zoloft to treat her ongoing depression, Bryn began to work again and became a Catalina

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swimsuit model. Oh, okay. Catalina wine mixture. In 1986, with her life finally stabilizing once more,

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an LA friend of Bryn's wanted to set her up on a blind date. This man was described as funny,

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successful, and was right at Bryn's alley. On November 25th, 1986, Bryn would meet her future

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husband, Phil Hartman. Okay. Am I supposed to know who that is? Yeah. Okay. My bad. He was on

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Asadone, PD's Playhouse. He was Pee Wee Herman. No, he was Paul Rubens. But he was in a... Okay,

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do you remember Three Amigos really well? Not really well. Damn, okay. I only remember from

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that as Chevy Jays. There's Phil Hartman's at the beginning and he's like the dude that's just the

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telephone guy and he's like, take the Amigos clothes. No? I mean, I haven't seen that movie

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in probably 15 years. The Coneheads? I remember that movie. Haven't seen it in 15 years. Which is,

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oh my gosh, that was the Astral Plane just now because I literally said the Coneheads earlier.

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I was at work and I put like a little tiny traffic cone on one of my kiddos head and I was like,

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hello, Conehead. Coneheads. That's so funny. Can't look at an airplane. Wow, that was the Astral

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Plane for sure. That's so strange. No, I'm showing my age even though I was just complaining about

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being old. I don't know who that is and the listeners are probably very disappointed. Well,

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I'm going to tell you who Phil is. Philip Edward Hartman was born at September 24th, 1948. He was

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a Canadian born fourth child of eight. His parents were Doris Marguerite and Rupert Lovig Hartman.

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Whoa, those are names, right? Those are names. Phil's father sold building supplies and the family

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grew up in a middle-class home. He was raised in a Catholic household and Phil says about his

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childhood, quote, I suppose I didn't get what I wanted out of my family life. So I started

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seeking love and attention elsewhere and quote, oh, that's sad. Being directly in the middle of all

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eight kids, Phil strived to get the love and attention that he desired and craved. He also had

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a disabled younger sibling that took up a lot of his mother's time at home and his dad worked

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extremely long hours. Dang. He found the best way to gain positive attention was through comedy and

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would often goof off around his family being the cheery one. Phil's family moved to the United

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States when he was just 10 years old, first living in Maine, then Connecticut, and then ending up in

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Los Angeles neighborhood Winchester. This was all within five years. So the family moved. I'm sorry,

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where did you say he was born again? In Canada. Oh, okay. In Ontario. Okay, I'll show. Phil graduated

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from Westchester High and was most notably the class clown and noted as a true romantic.

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He often doted on the girls that he dated, writing them love letters and embarrassing them in front

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of other students with his outward expressions of love, which is so cute. Oh, so cute. After high

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school, he decided to attend that Santa Monica City College, but then he soon dropped out in

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1969 as he found an opportunity to tour with a rock band as a roadie, which I think is just like,

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book this school. I'm just gonna live on the road. It's punk rock. Oh my god. I don't know why

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that just reminded me. Complete side note. Me and Casey watched the hatchet wheeling hitchhiker

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documentary. Did you see it? Kai. Oh my gosh. That guy is, yes, I saw it. The documentary? Yeah. Oh my

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god. It's wild. It's wild. It's just as wild as he is. Yeah. That reminded me because he said this

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guy's like, oh, fuck it on the road. Like, I don't have to worry about working. Yeah. Doing anything.

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Some mash. Some mash. So bad, dude. Awful. And then that one guy made such a good point when he was

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like, you know, he would say things that were like very clearly alarming and people would just

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like not fucking say anything. People would laugh. Yeah. I'm doing right now. Exactly. Like, he's

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literally talking about hitting somebody in the head with a hatchet and everyone's like, and it's

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like, haha. Smash. Oh, you dog. Oh, that catchphrase. I need that on a t-shirt. Seriously. That's

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terrible. Yeah. Anyway, back to the story. So while working with musicians, Phil found a passion

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in graphic design and he actually wanted to create album covers, which I thought is really unique

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and interesting. Really cool. So he actually went back to college. He went to California State

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University in Northridge to study graphic design. He would graduate and come to own his own graphic

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design company. His company designed over 40 album covers. Most notable graphic designs were for

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Poco, America, and the Crosby, Crosby stills in an ash before they had Neil Young, which is like

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huge. That's really cool that Phil Hartman would do that. Huge. Don't know who any of those people are.

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Are you there? God damn it. I'm just like, hmm, impressive. Some people will listen to this and

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go, I know exactly who she's talking about. Yeah, exactly. That's for our listeners older than me.

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So around this time or during the time that he was working at this graphic design company,

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Phil had met Gretchen Lewis and now Phil was finding success in work and he felt successful.

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He asked Gretchen to marry him. The couple would quickly marry in 1970, but they would

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also quickly divorce in 1972. Oh dang. Soon after this, Phil's first television debut was on an episode

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of The Dating Game where he would actually win. Oh really? Which was interesting. I know what that

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show is. Oh, you know what The Dating Game is? I do. Don't know, Phil Hartman. Dating Game is old.

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I want to do that. What's that guy's name? I want to do The Dating Game Killer. Oh yeah.

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Oh yeah. I waited. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'll, I'll, I don't know his name. I'll cut it. Mom sent it to us.

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Yeah. Remember? Yeah. That guy's creepy looking. In 1975, he started attending He Being Phil,

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not The Dating Game Killer. Started attending a comedy group called The Groundlings where he

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actually met who would become his two biggest friends and confidants, John Lovitz and Paul

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Rubins who is P.B. Harman. Oh okay. I know who that guy is. John Lovitz would later recall about

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Phil quote, he could do any voice. He could play any character, make his face look different in a

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whole different way without makeup. He was the king of The Groundlings and quote. Aww. So cute.

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Why does he have Jim Carrey? Like he can change his whole face. Oh for sure. Yeah. Phil would meet

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and marry Lisa Strain in 1982 and the couple were seemingly fine until their marriage problems arose

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in 1985, just three years later. Lisa was beginning to become frustrated about Phil's lack of

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communication saying that when, during disagreements, Phil would quote, disappear emotionally. His body

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would be there but he'd be in his own world. That passivity made you crazy and quote. Yeah.

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It's like you're talking to nobody. Yeah. Lisa said about Phil quote, my sense of Phil was that he

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was really two people. He was the guy who wanted to draw and write and think and create and come

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up with ideas. He was the actor and the entertainer and then he was also the recluse end quote.

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That's like really sad honestly. It reminds me of like Robin Williams. Yeah or Jim Carrey's that way

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too or was. Jim Carrey yeah exactly. And it's just you become that person. Yeah like a lot of people

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that are like they seem the happiest or actually like the most depressed you know. Sad. I'm truly sad.

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The couple would divorce in 1985 however the two would not lose contact and in fact would develop a

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very deep friendship over the years. The former Groundlings troop members would go on to create

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a children's television show called Peewee's Playhouse. The concept was mostly about identifying

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with young kids by playing along with them instead of strictly educational videos or an

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election lecture type setting. Phil would play Captain Carl in the show and Phil would actually

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go on to co-write the screenplay for Peewee's Big Adventure. I love that movie. Right. The

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Basement of the Alamo. Yeah. I've seen it. My favorite part. It's the best part of the Alamo.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's the basement. Yeah. If you haven't been down to the basement you should go check it out.

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I was saying that it was the best part of the movie but. Oh the basement. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. No I think the best part of the movie is when they're in the 18-wheeler and she's like

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it looked like this and then her face gets all crazy. Scared the shit out of you when I was a little.

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Come on, A-Bastard King. I'm a loner, Dotty. A rebel. A rebel. A rebel. Oh my god. I need to watch that.

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I used to have such a crush on Paul Rubins too. He's a cutie. Everybody always looked at me weird

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when I said that. He's a cutie. Yeah he's cute. Yeah. Okay. Back to the story. Anyways.

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Well he's important. He's part of the story. He's important. Yeah he was like one of Phil

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Hartman's best friends. So either way this would be around the time that Bryn would be set up with

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Phil and they go out on this date and the two hit it off. Bryn loved Phil's sense of humor and how

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doting he was with her and Phil couldn't believe that he nabbed this tall beautiful blonde babe,

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right? She's like kind of a working model. Things were looking up for Phil as in the same year that

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Peewee's Big Adventure came out and when he met Bryn later on that year in 1986 he would be asked

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to join the cast of Saturday Night Live, which is a huge career changing move that most comedic

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writers dream about. Phil said, quote, I wanted to do SNL because I wanted to get the exposure that

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would give me box office credibility so that I can write for movies myself, end quote. Phil was

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known for his laundry list of impersonations, most notably his Bill Clinton impersonation,

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and original characters such as Caveman Lawyer, which was like this thought out Caveman Lawyer.

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Sounds funny. I said that's funny but my voice like didn't work for a second. Adam Sandler used

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to refer to Phil as glue for a nickname. Lauren Michaels, who was the creator of SNL, explained

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this nickname saying, quote, he kind of held the show together. He gave to everybody and demanded

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very little. He was very low maintenance, end quote. Yeah, that's sweet. Lauren Michaels of SNL.

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Yeah. Are you telling me that he's the one behind the, it's Saturday Night Live. It's really good.

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It's Saturday Night Live. It's like you have to do like a little bit of vibrato on the live.

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Yeah. Girls that doesn't sound right. Live. Dana Carvey. Like that. Tim Meadows. We did that for

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like not as good as Johnny from Jeopardy. Oh, Johnny from Jeopardy is really good. Now, here's the

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host of Jeopardy, Alex Travec. Thank you, Johnny. Ken Jennings. Thank you, Johnny Gilbert. That's

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great. I like when Johnny does the categories. Yeah. Yeah. That was really good. Kind of. Thanks.

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I'm a voice actor. You should be. So the couple have become inseparable, walking red carpets together

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and going to shared interviews even on Howard Stern. What's wrong? Nothing. Oh, I thought there was

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a bruise on my elbow and I mean, there is a bruise on my elbow. I was trying to see if I could

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locate it. Okay. I thought maybe you got a bug bite or something. Whatever. It's always something with me.

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Within a year of their first date, the couple would marry in November 1987. Their son,

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Sean Edward Hartman was born in 1989 and their daughter, Bergen Anika? Anika. It's either Anika

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or Anika. Hartman was born in 1992. By all accounts, their marriage was a rocky one. Further

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compounding all of the complications that they were having, Bryn began to use drugs and alcohol

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again. No. She tried entering rehab on several occasions, but often when the couple would fight,

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Bryn would get verbally or even physically abusive with Phil. He would often come to work.

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Co-workers would essentially notice that there would be marks on him. Oh my god, that's so sad.

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You know, we always say that. Spousal abuse can go both ways. I feel like a lot of the times,

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it gets overlooked when it's a female spouse abusing her male partner.

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Bryn often went out drinking until early morning hours and she would come home to pick fights with

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Phil, who would most often be sleeping. She would come home, messed up, and would pick fights with

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him. Wake him up, justify it. Justify it. Justify it until they don't argue about it.

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Phil had also on multiple times pretended to be asleep when she would arrive just to avoid

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arguments, but it only seemed to enrage her more. Phil would tell a friend, quote,

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I would go into my cave and she would have to use grenades to get me out.

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Grenades? What do you mean? Like a metaphor. Like he would go into his usual like kind of

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self-protecting cocoon and she would get so explosive in order to get him to react.

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Like, I don't understand that. Like, if alcohol makes you, and I know that's addiction,

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I'm just saying like alcohol makes you fucking act like that, then why are you drinking that much?

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Like I just don't ever understand that. Like personally, like I don't obviously struggle

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with addiction, but I noticed a while back that certain types of alcohol made me act

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certain ways when I was intoxicated. So I stopped drinking those certain types.

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For sure.

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Because I didn't like the way I acted when I was very drunk, you know.

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And she's, you know, she's mixing it with her antidepressants and she's mixing it with cocaine.

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Yeah.

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And she clearly has some type of an addictive personality here because she's had stents in rehab

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before. Yeah. And it's easier said than done, you know, to just not drink, you know. But it's

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definitely not, it should not, and it is terrible that it's at the expense of Paul.

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Phil.

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Of Phil.

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Yeah, not Paul Rubin.

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I know, I was thinking of Paul Rubin still.

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Who doesn't think of Paul Rubin?

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Just constantly in my mind.

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Phil wasn't the only one that Bryn would start conflict with.

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Specifically after Bergen was born, Lisa Strain, who was Phil's ex-wife but long time

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friend, wrote a letter to the Hartmans congratulating them on the birth of their second child.

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Lisa, however, would receive a letter a few weeks later from Bryn telling Lisa to stay away from her

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family and that she is to cease all contact with Phil and at one point threatened to quote,

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rip your eyes out if you speak to him again, end quote.

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Jesus, you didn't deliver a load of death?

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Straight up.

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That's what, remember, that's what one of the people we've done said, he messaged them and said

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that he was going to deliver a load of death.

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Deliver a load, a load of death.

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Like, that's not funny, but like that's not, that's terrifying.

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Intense.

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So, but it's poor Lisa, she's probably like, what the fuck?

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Makes me wonder if she was abusing alcohol then as well right after the birth of Bergen.

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And if she wasn't, then that's just her, that's just how angry she gets.

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And it's just compounded by drugs and alcohol.

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Gosh. Bryn began showing extreme signs of jealousy and began to attempt to isolate Phil.

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Bryn has struggled to find acting work only appearing in a single movie in 1994 as a waitress.

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Bryn began to feel that because of Phil's career taking off, it dwarfed her.

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It was such a point of contention between the couple that at one point,

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Phil even considered retiring just to allow his wife to pursue her career without his influence.

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Oh my god. That sounds like a textbook narcissistic personality disorder.

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Like you can't be great.

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Yeah, I'm the only one that can be great.

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Yeah, because your greatness is like dimming my light.

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Exactly, dimming my light.

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That's ridiculous.

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Like you should be lifting your partner up, not, you know, trying to outshine them or whatever.

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Phil had even removed the children from the house on occasion to stay with friends or family

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members because of Bryn's outburst, which is also scary that there's two children involved in this.

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That is very scary. And also, like, it's not only, like, it should never have affected anybody,

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but now it's affecting, like, outside people. And I'm sure that she's not enjoying the fact that her

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behavior is getting a lot of recognition. Like, she's like, probably like, oh,

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shit, like, I don't want them to know about, you know, these certain things.

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Because of course, a narcissist, someone that abuses their spouse doesn't want it to get out,

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because then they're going to say, how dare you make me look bad?

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Yes. By telling people things I said and did.

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Nobody will hire me in this town because you, you know.

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You slandered my name.

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You slandered, you told everyone.

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Exactly. Even Phil's SNL co-stars were not safe from Bryn's jealousy.

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She would constantly accuse Phil of having feelings for Jan Hooks, who was a famous impersonator,

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and often played politicians' wives on the show. Bryn would always say that she believed

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Phil and Jan were married, quote, on some other level, end quote.

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Oh, whatever, dude.

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Bryn had written Jan several letters, giving detailed threats to Jan in a similar manner

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the way that she threatened Lisa. Thankfully, she never sent these to Jan,

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and they wouldn't be found until much later.

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Imagine being like, extremely famous and on SNL and having to deal with this shit.

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Right?

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I'd be like, are you fucking serious? Like, as Jan, I mean.

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Yeah, well, I'm, well, Jan didn't get the letters.

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I know, but I'm just saying, even then, she would quote, unquote, like, joke.

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Like, yeah.

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Oh, you guys are like, married.

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Fuck off.

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When she's really actually fucking jealous.

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What's even more interesting about it is I feel like maybe the reason Bryn didn't send

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the letters to Jan is because Jan is famous.

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Yeah.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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And she couldn't win anything against Jan Hooks.

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She might have gotten like a lot of backlash.

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Exactly. So she probably wrote all these things down because those were her feelings,

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but she couldn't do anything about it because, again, that's her narcissism.

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Yeah.

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Because if she really wanted to accuse her of an affair, she could.

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It's true.

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If she felt it was the truth, but she probably didn't think it was the truth.

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I mean, that's like not the worst thing in the world to like write down, you know,

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your feelings and then throw them away and not say, you know, but like, that's toxic as fuck.

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This is clearly toxic.

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And not only that, but it's not just her feelings that she's keeping to herself and

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then getting rid of.

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She's taking it out on her husband.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Phil's career continued to blossom.

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He would do multiple voice acting jobs for The Simpsons, Animaniacs and The Critic,

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but he really hit it big with News Radio in 1995.

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News Radio was a TV show that surrounded a radio station and the characters that worked there.

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The show started the likes of Andy Dick, Joe Rogan and Dave Foley.

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This would be one of Phil's most accredited roles as Bill McNeill.

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Britain, on the other hand, was still struggling to find work and was becoming

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more and more jealous of her husband's career and tired.

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She grew tired of feeling simply like arm candy.

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Here's the thing.

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I guarantee you he could have at least assisted with getting her work.

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And I guarantee you she was like, no, I can't.

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No, there's no way I'm getting famous off of your doing.

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I have to do this on my own, blah, blah.

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Well, he actually did.

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So in 1998, he was on a show called Third Rock from the Sun.

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And I think he's only in two episodes maybe, but he got her a two episode job on there.

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You know, like, oh, just throw my wife a bone.

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She won't fucking stop complaining about her career and all.

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So just give it, just put her on the fucking thing.

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Just put it, just please.

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Yeah, just like fucking help me out.

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Please.

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So she's not just a total bitch when we get home, you know, kind of shit.

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It's just that's so awful.

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And like, I wonder how uncomfortable that would make.

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I'm uncomfortable.

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I said that really comfortable uncomfortable that made him feel.

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Not only is he now having to experience this abuse at work at home, he's probably having to

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experience that at work, maybe like a verbal abuse or maybe like under her breath or like

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passive aggressiveness or whatever.

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And like, he did her a fucking favor and I guarantee you she didn't change her fucking attitude.

392
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,000
No, especially at work.

393
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:38,960
No, because she wanted to make it big.

394
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,880
She didn't want to be the wife of an actor.

395
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:41,360
Yeah.

396
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,120
She wanted to be an actress.

397
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:43,360
Yeah.

398
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,440
Expressing his marital problems to Joe Rogan of all people,

399
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,880
Joe recalls telling Phil several times to leave the marriage and that the relationship was toxic.

400
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,040
Joe said, Phil told him that he couldn't because he wanted to stay together for the kids,

401
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,200
which is awful.

402
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,720
And absolutely is no one blaming the children.

403
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,280
Yeah, of course.

404
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,000
You know, it's not.

405
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,640
But he's like, you know, she's a really good person.

406
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:07,760
It's just the drugs.

407
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,560
It's the abuse.

408
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:09,840
You know.

409
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,840
Well, I guarantee he wasn't like there was not even a thought in his mind that they could

410
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,360
have an amicable split.

411
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:15,520
Right.

412
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,520
And then make sure that the kids were taken care of.

413
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:17,680
Yeah.

414
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,320
There's no way.

415
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,480
At least you would have to get her like stabilized.

416
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:21,600
Yeah, exactly.

417
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,680
And then, you know, even begin to have a conversation about divorce.

418
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,560
Exactly.

419
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,960
And by this point, the couple were sleeping in separate bedrooms.

420
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,840
On multiple occasions, staff on the SNL set would hear Phil and Brynn arguing in his dressing room.

421
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,840
And on one, at least one occasion in 1998, Brynn came into the studio demanding a divorce

422
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,880
after Phil had given Brynn an ultimatum, the drugs or the kids.

423
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:44,400
Damn.

424
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,760
He was just like, this is it.

425
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,080
You get, you have to get sober or you're not going to like I'm taking the kids.

426
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,200
It's unhealthy.

427
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:51,920
Our kids.

428
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:52,880
Sorry, I said your kids.

429
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:53,520
Our kids.

430
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,880
Phil confided in his makeup artist after this argument that he was going to be a good

431
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,000
kid, that he actually didn't want a divorce and that he would likely have to deal with

432
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,800
Brynn, her addiction and her abuse for the rest of his life.

433
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:05,600
Oh my god.

434
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,200
He, unfortunately, was not wrong.

435
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:14,480
On May 27, 1998, Brynn and a friend of hers went to a local Italian place in LA where

436
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,960
Brynn was noticed to have a few glasses of wine.

437
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,320
This spot was known as a regular spot for Brynn and Phil, and even at one point a server

438
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,320
asked Brynn where Mr. Hartman was, to which she replied at home.

439
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,000
Brynn seemed to be in good spirits and the two women would leave the establishment around

440
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,040
9 or 10 PM.

441
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,880
Not entirely done with her night, Brynn proceeded to drive to a former boyfriend's house named

442
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,440
Ron Douglas in order to continue drinking.

443
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,760
So Phil can't talk to his ex-wife.

444
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,080
His ex-wife cannot send a letter of congratulations on having a fucking baby,

445
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,440
because she can stop by her ex-boyfriend's house in the way because she's not done drinking.

446
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,240
And drink more.

447
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,240
Phil did not care for this man, not because he was a good boy.

448
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,440
Because he thought that they were intimate or any of that other stuff, but it's because

449
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,800
Ron would often supply Brynn with as much cocaine as she wanted.

450
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:03,300
Yeah.

451
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:09,200
Brynn became increasingly agitated as she began to talk about Phil and their relationship

452
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,480
and the ultimatum, and she continued to get high at Ron's place.

453
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,560
Around midnight, Brynn was so full of rage she decided to drive home to confront Phil yet again.

454
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,240
Brynn arrived home drunk and high on cocaine.

455
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,800
She and Phil proceeded to get into an argument.

456
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:33,040
Hours went by and at some time after 3am, Brynn called Ron to say that she had found a note from

457
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,880
Phil saying that he was going to be out for the night.

458
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:36,160
What?

459
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,320
Ron found this to be unusual as both children were in the house that evening,

460
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,240
and knew Phil wouldn't leave the kids alone overnight with no one home.

461
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:44,560
Yeah.

462
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,720
Brynn asked if she could go back to Ron's house, which he replied,

463
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:52,000
no because the kids are going to be alone and you've clearly been drinking.

464
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,720
She sounded way more wasted than when she left.

465
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:58,800
So did he offer to come over because she's fucked up and she's by herself with the kids?

466
00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:59,040
No.

467
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:00,880
He was just like, go to bed.

468
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,000
Jesus.

469
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:02,800
She was like, okay.

470
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,680
Brynn would not take this advice, and 20 minutes later Brynn shows up at Ron's house.

471
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,240
She immediately states, quote, I think I killed Phil, end quote.

472
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:16,240
What?

473
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:16,880
Yeah.

474
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,320
Just like, I think I killed him.

475
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,080
Like just in like a fucking drunk and stupid.

476
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:22,160
Like in a fucking stupid.

477
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:22,560
Yeah.

478
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,000
Like a way to put it on.

479
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,280
And she's, you know, fucking completely high.

480
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,760
What do you mean I think I killed him?

481
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:29,840
I think I killed him.

482
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,720
You just said he was out for the night, like 20 minutes ago.

483
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,440
Seeing that Brynn was completely intoxicated and almost inaudible,

484
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,800
Ron didn't believe her at first.

485
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,880
Then Brynn produced a handgun stating that this was the potential murder weapon.

486
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,320
Ron immediately removed the weapon from her hand and inspected it.

487
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,160
Oh, putting his fingerprints on it.

488
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,520
He was just like, what the fuck?

489
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,440
I would be like, why the fuck did you bring that to my house?

490
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,160
Why are you here?

491
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,360
Why the fuck did you do that?

492
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,960
And you came immediately to my house?

493
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,360
Well, he looked at the gun and apparently there was

494
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,040
like the gun was full of bullets or something.

495
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,600
So he was like, did she, did she not?

496
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,360
Was this a dream?

497
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,720
Did she threaten him with a gun?

498
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,000
And that's what she thinks or whatever.

499
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:08,800
Yeah, that's true.

500
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,200
He probably wasn't like immediately believing her that she did that.

501
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,280
I don't even know how she made it to his house.

502
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:13,680
You know?

503
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,400
Oh yeah, it's true.

504
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,160
In her inebriated state, she actually asked Ron to call the house multiple times

505
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,240
to see if Phil would answer the phone.

506
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:23,840
Unsure if she had even hurt Phil.

507
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,920
Ron did multiple times, but no answer at the house.

508
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,320
My God, now he has that on the fucking record.

509
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,640
The two waited at Ron's house for several hours.

510
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,680
As Brynn was so intoxicated and high, she actually became sick,

511
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,200
like she started throwing up.

512
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,920
And Ron feared that she would eventually have an overdose.

513
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,280
So he waited for her to kind of not, not call an ambulance.

514
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:45,440
Yeah, of course not.

515
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,800
Not call a police.

516
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,040
He was just like, oh, let's see if she overdoses.

517
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,880
And where the fuck are the kids during this whole thing?

518
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,000
They're at the house.

519
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,200
By themselves.

520
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,680
With their deceased father, presumably in the house with them.

521
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:56,400
Presumably.

522
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,560
And Ron, Ron knows this and is like,

523
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,640
Well, he doesn't really know because again, she's so messed up.

524
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:03,200
Okay, well.

525
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,000
I can see that.

526
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,360
I can see that perspective.

527
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,560
But she's been known to be outlandish and dramatic, you know?

528
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,200
Here's the thing, even if he's not dead, the kids are still there.

529
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:13,360
Alone.

530
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:13,920
Find themselves.

531
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,400
Like.

532
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,920
Even if Phil had gone out for the night, right?

533
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,040
Yeah, like what?

534
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:17,280
Yeah.

535
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,080
Yeah.

536
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,760
So after a few hours, the two would make their way over to Phil's house.

537
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,960
And while in the car, Bryn called another friend.

538
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,200
And this time she confessed to killing Phil.

539
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,120
Or at least what she thought she had done.

540
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,280
When arriving on the scene at about 6 10 a.m.

541
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,920
Ron entered the home where he found Phil lying in his bed as if he were sleeping.

542
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,040
Oh my God.

543
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,320
He had been shot three times.

544
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,440
The first shot through the forehead killing him instantly.

545
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,320
Bryn had shot him an additional two more times.

546
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,240
Once in the throat and another in the chest.

547
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,880
Ron immediately called 911.

548
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,080
Bryn called more people, including her sister, from her own phone stating multiple times that

549
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,000
she had killed her husband Phil and apologized in her intoxicated state.

550
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:04,720
She told her sister to take care of her children as she wasn't going to be able to any longer.

551
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,280
Police arrive on the scene and begin to process the house.

552
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,400
The police knew right away from the phone call that there had been a shooting and that there

553
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,200
were children present, so their first priority when arriving at the scene was to remove 9 year old

554
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,040
Sean and 6 year old Bergen from the home.

555
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,520
Yeah, that you probably fucking woke up during that whole shit too.

556
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,640
That's so sad.

557
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,440
Sean said he heard noises of gunshots, but at the time he thought after yet another argument

558
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,960
his parents were just slamming doors.

559
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:30,720
Oh my God.

560
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:35,200
Meanwhile Bryn moved into the bedroom where Phil was and locked herself inside.

561
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,480
Once the children were safely out of the home, a single gunshot could be heard from the house.

562
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,560
Bryn had taken her own life lying next to her husband Phil's lifeless body.

563
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,440
Both were pronounced dead at the scene.

564
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,760
So that's why she told her sister to take care of her kids, not because she was going to prison.

565
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,920
Oh my God, that is so fucked up.

566
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:56,720
It's really fucked up.

567
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:59,440
Oh my God.

568
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,920
After this tragedy Bryn's brother Greg sued the company Fizer who produced Zoloft at the time

569
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,920
and her kids psychologist who had provided the Zoloft to her.

570
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,360
Her child's like her two kids psychologist.

571
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,480
Not even her own doctor.

572
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,760
Not even her own doctor.

573
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,040
Wow, that was a fuck up.

574
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:23,760
The case was settled with Fizer and ended up paying out 100,000 to the family of,

575
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,760
to the children.

576
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:32,640
Two other examples of homicidal side effects of the drug Zoloft are actually present in the

577
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:38,720
cases of James Holmes who's the Dark Knight shooter and Eric Harris from Columbine.

578
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:45,360
So they are two other instances of this kind of homicidal rage that is incorporated with

579
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,200
abusing Zoloft or mixing it in combination with other things.

580
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,360
Both of these individuals had struggled with homicidal rage while using Zoloft essentially.

581
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:02,960
Andy Dick who was a co-worker of, or co-star of Phil Hartman's was actually accused of

582
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,680
starting up Bryn's cocaine habit by John Lovitz.

583
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,720
What?

584
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:11,040
John claims that Andy gave Bryn cocaine at a party a few weeks before the murder suicide.

585
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,640
Although Andy claims that Bryn had either A already relapsed by that point or B he didn't

586
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,600
know that she actually had any severe problem with it.

587
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,120
Yeah, I just gave her drugs.

588
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:21,920
I didn't like give her a dick shit.

589
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:22,960
Neither of which is okay.

590
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:23,760
Yeah.

591
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,720
I just provided her with a fucking classic by the person.

592
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,000
She's got a problem.

593
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:28,720
That's her issue.

594
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:29,120
Yeah.

595
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:29,920
Like what?

596
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:30,880
Fuck you Andy Dick.

597
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,400
It gets better.

598
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,680
So, fuck you Andy Dick.

599
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:41,680
John did forgive Andy until one incident in 2006 where the two were sitting separately at a restaurant.

600
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,680
Andy Dick came up to John Lovitz and said quote,

601
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,680
I put the Phil Hartman curse on you.

602
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,960
You're the next to die.

603
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:49,520
End quote.

604
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,280
This is his co-star.

605
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,280
The dude that did news radio with him.

606
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:58,480
So he's saying like I gave your wife cocaine and now she's gonna be an addict and kill you?

607
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,280
Is that what he's saying?

608
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,680
Like it's just Andy Dick being a fucking asshole.

609
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,280
Like and you know everybody knows Andy Dick is a fucking asshole.

610
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,280
And he struggles with his own addictions.

611
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:09,840
That's wild.

612
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:15,280
This caused a massive disturbance with which ended with Andy Dick being ejected from the establishment.

613
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,080
Jesus.

614
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,080
The two would run into each other once more some years later at a comedy club.

615
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:26,080
In which an altercation occurred with John Lovitz slamming Andy Dick's head into the bar multiple times.

616
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:26,880
Oh jeez.

617
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,080
I can't even get through that sentence.

618
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,280
It's such a wild sentence.

619
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,080
It's a wild sentence.

620
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:30,880
Right?

621
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,080
I'm like oh John Lovitz like all of a sudden.

622
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:34,880
Okay.

623
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:35,680
Okay.

624
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:36,080
You know.

625
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:36,880
Oh.

626
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,680
News radio would end after the show attempted to replace Phil Hartman's character unsuccessfully.

627
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,080
Or at least kind of get away from that tragedy.

628
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,280
Tragedy.

629
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,280
The show would be cancelled the following year.

630
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,280
Bergen and Sean were adopted by Brinn's sister Catherine.

631
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,480
And Phil always thinking of his children.

632
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:04,080
Put a very specific inheritance plan together for his children which I thought was this is this is cool.

633
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,880
Like if I was you know a very wealthy individual this is probably what I would do.

634
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:09,280
Okay.

635
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,280
The two would receive a third of their inheritance when they turn 25.

636
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,680
Or if they receive a bachelor's degree from a four-year accredited university first.

637
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,680
So you could do the bachelor's degree four-year accredited university.

638
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,680
And then you could get that third of your inheritance or whenever you turn 25.

639
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:26,480
Okay.

640
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,680
The remaining inheritance would be split given half at age 30 and the rest at 35.

641
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,880
So like by the time you're 35 hopefully you're established enough.

642
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:35,680
Yeah.

643
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,280
And it's just like it's not you turn 18 you get all the inheritance.

644
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:39,680
Exactly.

645
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:40,080
Yeah.

646
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,080
It's you know kind of siphoned out.

647
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:42,480
Hmm.

648
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,080
Which I yeah.

649
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:44,480
Yeah.

650
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,280
I think that's kind of cool.

651
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,080
I do too.

652
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,080
Also in their will Phil and Brynn wish to be cremated.

653
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,480
Ashes spread along Catalina and have a shared headstone which was honored.

654
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,280
That's fucked up.

655
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,480
I wouldn't have done that.

656
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:56,880
Yeah.

657
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,080
Like I'm I know it's in your will but like come on.

658
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,280
Yeah.

659
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,480
Like that's all I was saying.

660
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,480
It's just either way it's fucking sad.

661
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,280
It's very sad.

662
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,080
No it's horrific.

663
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,680
The children have seemed to adjusted as well as they possibly could.

664
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,680
Sean is now 34 and is a artist and musician.

665
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:16,480
Oh wow good for him.

666
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:23,280
And Bergen is 31 and she is happily married and she has been sober from drugs and alcohol since 2012.

667
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,480
Wow good for her.

668
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,280
Right.

669
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,680
Bergen shared recently on her Instagram a photo of her father on Father's Day.

670
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,880
The caption said quote as another Father's Day comes to an end.

671
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:38,080
I remind myself that no matter what I am very fortunate to have a number of great father figures in my life.

672
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,680
But this dapper dude will always have my heart and quote.

673
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,880
I just got full body he's it's really sweet.

674
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:45,680
Right.

675
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,080
And it's a really good picture of him too.

676
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,480
Sean mostly lays low so but again he's a successful artist and musician.

677
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,480
In a final interview films but not yet aired at the time of Phil's death.

678
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,880
Phil said some of his final words quote.

679
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:07,280
I think of my old age I've come to realize how precious everything is and I try to value the many blessings that I have that have been bestowed upon me.

680
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,480
But there's also this sense of vulnerability.

681
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,680
If fortune took another turn for the worst and that you have to live with the awareness that anything could happen in this world.

682
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,080
End quote.

683
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,680
I feel like he knew.

684
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:18,580
Right.

685
00:44:18,580 --> 00:44:29,680
I feel like he knew not only with that quote but also with him saying that he was going to spend the rest of his life with his wife's addiction.

686
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:30,780
Yeah.

687
00:44:30,780 --> 00:44:37,580
I think that he had an inkling you know and they say that like sometimes like you just know like when you're like going to die soon.

688
00:44:37,580 --> 00:44:40,780
Like people just have like an intuition about it.

689
00:44:40,780 --> 00:44:47,480
Like you've ever seen like those final tweets or whatever like this one girl said like oh the future looks dark and then like she died like a week later.

690
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,180
Yeah.

691
00:44:49,180 --> 00:44:50,480
That's really fucking sad.

692
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:57,680
It's like a highly abusive situation you know this domestic violence situation where everything is still unpredictable.

693
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,280
And you have to feel so helpless.

694
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,880
Yeah.

695
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,180
I'm just glad that the kiddos were okay.

696
00:45:03,180 --> 00:45:11,180
But that's really really sad and it's sad on both parts like with her struggling with addiction for so long and then him becoming a victim of that.

697
00:45:11,180 --> 00:45:16,080
And then also Zoloft like I mean that's it's not the only time that that's happened.

698
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:29,280
I think they I read an article that in the UK there was something like 28 to 32 people with and like a you know six month or a year span that were that had harmed other people or themselves on Zoloft.

699
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,680
That's scary and they still prescribe that.

700
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:37,780
Phil Hartman was to voice that brand again from Matt Groening's Futurama but would be replaced with Billy West.

701
00:45:37,780 --> 00:45:38,780
But he did try out for it.

702
00:45:38,780 --> 00:45:45,880
He would have been that brand again which is kind of cool because Billy West does his own like interpretation of Phil Hartman.

703
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,580
You can really hear it.

704
00:45:47,580 --> 00:45:53,780
He was also nominated for an Emmy Award for his participation in news radio after his death.

705
00:45:53,780 --> 00:45:58,080
Small Soldiers was also dedicated to Phil Hartman as it was his last film.

706
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:06,080
And in September 2012 Phil Hartman was inducted into Canada's Walk of Fame with Paul his brother accepting his award.

707
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,780
And in August 2014 he got his own star on the Hollywood Walk.

708
00:46:09,780 --> 00:46:11,280
Oh that's really sweet of them.

709
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,680
Yeah I think it was really yeah it's nice to like commemorate him.

710
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:16,680
Yeah for sure.

711
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:22,880
It's it's just thinking about the way the direction that his career was going like there wasn't going to be any stopping him.

712
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,180
It was just this you know.

713
00:46:26,180 --> 00:46:39,180
So we have talked about Zoloft and we have talked about alcohol and drug abuse and we want to make it clear that we are not saying anything specific about any type of medication or drug that if you take Zoloft this will happen to you.

714
00:46:39,180 --> 00:46:39,680
Yeah.

715
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:52,780
You know definitely not saying that but there are some very real links between just medication in general SSRIs plus alcohol and the side effects that it can create.

716
00:46:52,780 --> 00:46:53,980
Yeah or other drugs.

717
00:46:53,980 --> 00:46:54,980
Yeah.

718
00:46:54,980 --> 00:47:00,280
And even mix things you know any type of medication with any other kind of medication for sure.

719
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:11,780
So specifically between alcohol and Zoloft some of the increased effects can include dizziness depression suicidal thoughts anxiety headaches nausea diarrhea or drowsiness.

720
00:47:11,780 --> 00:47:19,780
So yeah don't want to be mixing alcohol for the most part talk to your doctor always talk to your doctor always talk to your doctor everyone's different.

721
00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:33,580
Now without the SSRIs alcohol alone can send symptoms of anxiety feeling worthlessness fatigue irritability tiredness or insomnia restlessness weight gain or weight loss and loss of appetite.

722
00:47:33,580 --> 00:47:40,880
So even if you take Zoloft or any other medication for a condition other than depression it still might not be safe for you to drink alcohol.

723
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,680
You may still have an increased risk of depression from alcohol just alcohol alone.

724
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:52,780
This is because depression is common as a common symptom of other related health problems like OCD PTSD that Zoloft does treat.

725
00:47:52,780 --> 00:47:53,380
Yeah.

726
00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:54,380
Gotcha.

727
00:47:54,380 --> 00:48:02,880
If you are a loved one or struggling with drug or alcohol addiction call the substance abuse and mental health services at 1-800-662-4357.

728
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,280
You can always reach out to the National Suicide Lifeline at 988.

729
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,380
But if you or a loved one or an immediate danger please call 911.

730
00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:17,880
If you are a loved one is experiencing domestic violence call 1-800-799-7233.

731
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:18,880
Great job.

732
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:19,480
Thanks.

733
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:20,580
That was a good story.

734
00:48:20,580 --> 00:48:20,780
Yeah.

735
00:48:20,780 --> 00:48:21,780
Did that sound sarcastic?

736
00:48:21,780 --> 00:48:22,080
It did.

737
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:22,880
Oh my bad.

738
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,480
I really was just like kind of dwelling but what's the word?

739
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:28,280
Mulling over.

740
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:33,380
Yeah mulling over everything that I just heard and I was like great job but it sounded really auto tone the way it came out.

741
00:48:33,380 --> 00:48:34,680
No that was a good case.

742
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:43,080
It was one that I kind of wanted to tackle just because I feel Phil's name is still so highly attached to that incident.

743
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:43,680
Yeah.

744
00:48:43,680 --> 00:49:00,680
And Bryn I'm not you know what happened was an absolute tragedy and it's just I think that had there been maybe more resources that either them or someone else maybe suggested.

745
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:13,180
Clearly Bryn was dealing with some mental disorder issues and alcohol dependency probably drug dependency you know and possibly even anger issues.

746
00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:14,280
Yeah definitely.

747
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:21,780
You know I don't I definitely again we said earlier domestic violence goes both ways.

748
00:49:21,780 --> 00:49:25,080
He was definitely becoming isolated.

749
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,180
You know check check up on your friends.

750
00:49:27,180 --> 00:49:28,880
Yeah check up on your loved ones.

751
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:47,880
Absolutely and you know it it's really hard because there's a lot of situations that really seem different than they are but that's why it's important to like start these hard conversations and talk about the things that we talk about on the podcast because yeah it might be uncomfortable but it could quite literally save someone's life.

752
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:48,380
Yeah.

753
00:49:48,380 --> 00:49:57,680
Just having that person that they can find it in order to be able to tell them how they're feeling or what's going on you know in their personal life and stuff you know.

754
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:13,480
And this is a very very minute thing compared to what we just spoke about but I mean similarly to today at work you know I was having very bad panic attack I was seeing spots and I immediately grabbed someone and I told them look this is what's going on.

755
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,880
I need to take a second and they took over for me and they covered for me so that I could sit down.

756
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:33,680
And it's just again that's a very small on the scale but that if I didn't have this confidence in talking about mental health or hard subjects I might have just pushed past that and who knows I could have actually passed out you know or I could have.

757
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,980
Or eat out more you know or you know when I come home and then spend the rest of your night in bed.

758
00:50:37,980 --> 00:50:43,080
Exactly because it's it hits you all then because yeah because you didn't take care of it in the moment.

759
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:51,880
And held it held it in for a long time and that I mean that's not an example that's like this one but this is way obviously more detrimental on that scale but.

760
00:50:51,880 --> 00:51:01,280
It's I think it's just that awareness the knowledge helps you and others you know I think you're able to recognize it in other people because you can recognize it in yourself.

761
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:12,280
Yeah absolutely and it actually helps me having all this knowledge it helps me like handle my personal like struggles like better more better more better and on that note.

762
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,680
Thank you guys for joining us for another episode.

763
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:21,080
Join us next week for our mental breakdown on Monday and then my case next Thursday.

764
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,480
It's a doozy.

765
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:29,880
Y'all are going to really like this one and if you have not heard of the herd of this case that I'm bringing next Thursday I will be very very surprised really.

766
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,680
And that goes for you and all of the listeners.

767
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,680
This is a very popular case that I'm bringing next week.

768
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:40,080
And then don't forget on the 29th the week after that is going to be our Patreon bonus.

769
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:47,880
It's already here again I feel like we just did Dahmer and this Patreon bonus episode has been suggested by a patron.

770
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,480
And that's all I'm going to say for now.

771
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,880
You're not even going to tell me who it is.

772
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,880
Well I'll tell you who it is but I'm not going to say it on the mic because I'm going to say it next week.

773
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,880
Remember we do it a week in advance so you're right.

774
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:57,880
You're right.

775
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,280
I'm going to turn off the mic now so I can tell.

776
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,280
Call the I don't think I've ever said call on here.

777
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,080
I don't think you have.

778
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,480
That's called an inside joke.

779
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,480
We'll tell we'll talk about the legacy that is called eventually.

780
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,680
We will if you guys want to hear that story email us.

781
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:11,280
Yeah.

782
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:11,880
Okay.

783
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,080
Alright see you guys on Monday.

784
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:13,680
Love you.

785
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:14,480
Bye.

786
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,280
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