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Today we are going to be talking about dependent personality disorder.
Oh yes, I've been wanting to do this one because I feel like we mentioned this like every mental breakdown.
Yeah.
And we kind of just talk about it, but we've never done a full episode on it.
It's very interesting.
And I did want to tackle a personality disorder because we haven't really talked about one in a while.
Yeah.
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Most of what I have is going to be from the DSM-5.
Okay.
So just because it does a really great job of explaining the criteria and such.
Okay.
Cool.
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Number one, has difficulty making everyday decisions without an excessive amount of advice and reassurance from others?
I should say their life.
Number three, has difficulty expressing disagreement with others because of fear of loss, support and approval?
Note, do not include realistic fears of retribution.
Number four, has difficulty initiating projects or doing things on his or her own because of a lack of self-confidence and judgment or abilities rather than a lack of motivation or energy?
So you just like don't.
So you just don't initiate projects because you lack the self-confidence.
Number five, goes to excessive lengths to obtain nurturance and support from others to the point of volunteering to do things that are unpleasant?
It's so funny because, not funny, but I've been researching a lot about this disorder recently just on my own and I was actually thinking about maybe bringing it as a mental breakdown so I'm glad you're doing this.
Yeah.
But it's funny because I've like nearly memorized all of those criteria really because I've read them so many times.
But honestly like if you really think about it, I feel like every one of us, listeners included, could probably think about one person in their life at least that shows like one or two of those.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, because that's pretty understandable if someone feels some of those types of ways.
Right, yeah.
Number six, feels...
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were done.
No.
It's fine.
Number six, feels uncomfortable or helpless when alone because of exaggerated fears of being unable to care for oneself.
Number seven, urgently seeks another relationship as a source of care and support when a close relationship ends, which I found interesting.
Yeah, very interesting.
Number eight, is unrealistically preoccupied with fears of being left to take care of themselves.
Oh wow, I didn't know that one.
Yeah, unrealistically preoccupied with fears of being left to take...
Like that's too much.
Yeah.
So like have to take care of yourself so you seek out someone else to do it for you.
It's almost like a really mild version of Munchhausen.
Yeah.
Like you're not hurting yourself to get people to take care of you but you're internalizing like that you want people to take care of you.
Yeah.
You need that.
That's that specific attention.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's not interesting.
So yes, if you have met five or more of those criteria, you may suffer from dependent personality disorder.
So the dependent and submissive behaviors that one might be experiencing or exuding are designed to elicit a caregiving and like response from another person and arise from self-perception of being unable to function adequately without the help of others.
Individuals with dependent personality disorder have a great difficulty making everyday decisions from what color shirt they might wear or whether or not to carry an umbrella in case it rains.
And this is without an excessive amount of advice and reassurance from others so they constantly need that reassurance or guidance.
Yeah.
So I don't know what color, what color shirt do you think I should wear?
Yep.
Should I wear this?
Should I wear that?
Exactly.
And I feel like I know a couple people like that.
They have to, like if they're experiencing like any sort of conflict, whether it's that small or something major, they talk to like everybody in their life about it and try to get everyone's input on it before they make a decision on what to do moving forward.
Yeah.
I'm going to take like two different types of selfies and then send them to a few people and get everybody's opinion on what I should wear.
Yeah.
These individuals also tend to be passive and allow other people, often a single other person, to take the initiative and assume responsibility for most major areas of their life, which is criterion two.
Can't make, you know, the decision for the group.
Right.
Yeah.
It's got to be, and not only that, but like most major areas, like what kind of job they should have.
Yeah.
And stuff like that, which, you know, is interesting.
Yeah, for sure.
The results with this disorder typically depend on a, depend on a parent or a spouse to decide where they should live, what kind of job they should have, which neighbors to be friends.
Adolescents with this disorder may allow their parents to decide what they should wear or whom they should associate with, how they should spend their free time and maybe what school or college they should attend.
God, that's got to be exhausting.
All the time.
Just like always needing someone else's thought process or opinion to make your decision.
It's exhausting for the people around them too.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Like having, literally having to take care of another child.
And I feel like that's so much easier to kind of fall into a disorder like that or not fall into, but to show like more signs than in the past because now conversation is so accessible.
Right.
So instead of waking up and waiting until you see someone in person to ask them something like you can just use someone to text first thing in the morning.
Or hop on Instagram or whatever and get that validation.
Yeah.
This need for others to assume responsibility goes beyond age appropriate and situation appropriate requests for assistance from others.
Like the specific needs of a child, an elderly person or someone who needs further assistance.
Dependent personality disorder may occur in an individual who has a serious medical condition or disability, but in such cases the difficulty in taking responsibility must go beyond what would normally be associated with that type of condition or disability.
Yeah.
And again, that can very easily turn into munchausen.
Right.
If you do get that satisfaction of someone taking care of you after you've been sick, then continually trying to like keep yourself sick.
Right.
To get that invalidation.
That would change that diagnosis.
Yeah.
Yeah, I would think so.
But again, it's if you have a serious medical condition and you're not abusing it essentially.
Yeah.
That's, you know, wouldn't be cause for that or for a diagnosis.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm going to adjust my leg here.
Because they fear losing support or approval, individuals with dependent personality disorder often have difficulty expressing disagreements with other individuals, especially those on whom they are dependent on.
So you just refuse to kind of have a disagreement.
You know, one might call it like people pleasing or something.
Yeah.
So that you don't have to lose that person that you're dependent on.
You always want to kind of please that person so that you always have someone around you.
Yeah, exactly.
And you want to kind of butter them up so to speak like all the time.
Yeah.
Like by doing things that might put you out of your comfort zone.
Right.
You know.
These individuals feel so unable to function alone that they will agree to do things that they feel are wrong rather than risk losing the help of those to whom they seek for guidance essentially.
You don't get appropriately angry at others who support and nurture them out of fear for alienation.
Like they don't want to alienate that person.
So again, they won't, even if they are upset, they might just rein it in.
Yeah.
To not have to have a discussion around it or to further upset the other person.
So which, you know, just makes me think like in certain times, everybody's been in a situation where somebody has said something that you don't like.
Yeah.
This would essentially be like someone you should be comfortable enough with to have a discussion around not approving of what someone else has said or done.
Yeah, exactly.
And in this case, it is almost essentially to the detriment of yourself that you don't say something because you're just bottling it in.
Yeah, exactly.
You're bottling it in and then also like when it does come out, then it becomes this big, excuse me, this big blow up.
Yeah.
The main potential, I don't know.
Why didn't you tell me it bothered you then?
Because it wasn't a big deal before, but now that it's been festering, it could potentially become a very big deal.
Right.
Well, it could have already originally been a big deal, but nobody's, you didn't say anything because you were trying to not push that other person away.
Yeah, it's interesting.
Just really quick, you know how we talk about epigenetics and how, you know, develop, disorders can develop based off like a past trauma or something.
And then you're like, you know, you're going to be able to get away from the trauma and then you're going to get away from the trauma to the surface.
I wonder if the past trauma, if you will, and like a person that might have dependent personality disorder would be someone blowing up and leaving their lives, perhaps a parent.
You know, they blew up at their other parent and they decided that they're going to get a divorce and they leave.
Yeah.
And they're very fearful that the next time someone gets angry around them or at them, that same thing is going to happen.
Yeah, I totally agree with that.
I'm so smart.
If the individual's concerns regarding the consequences of expressing disagreement are realistic, like realistic fears of retribution and an abuse of, with an abusive spouse, the behavior should not be considered to be evidence of dependent personality disorder.
Yeah, absolutely.
Because again, you're in fear for your fucking life.
Yeah, that would fall out, definitely out of the criteria for sure.
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Individuals with this disorder have difficulty initiating projects or doing things independently, like we mentioned in criterion 4.
They lack self-confidence and believe that they need help to begin and carry through those tasks.
I definitely don't have this.
Right?
I'm over here putting two of my quicks.
I applied for fucking grad school the other day and I didn't even have to.
It was so exciting.
We shall see.
They will wait for others to start things because they believe that as a rule, others can do them better.
Other people can just do it better.
That's kinda sad though.
But they lack the self-confidence.
I know, that's really sad.
Well, you guys will take care of it.
Yeah, I'm not even gonna touch that because someone else can probably do it better than I can.
I'm sad.
These individuals are convinced that they are incapable of functioning independently and present themselves as a NEPT and require constant assistance.
They also don't just feel that way but they present that way.
I just can't.
I'm incapable.
Someone has to do it for me.
Yeah, I can see that.
I can also see it being something very...
Very embarrassing.
For someone to admit that they can't do it.
They'll maybe make a comment insinuating that the other person can take care of it but not saying that they can't.
You probably do it better than me but not saying, oh, I can't do that.
I just can.
They probably do say, I can't do this.
Probably to themselves, especially.
This is an entire personality type.
That it's just me.
I am the meeker, weaker person and I can't do it as well as you can.
Yeah, that makes sense.
It's wrapped up in praise almost.
You're just the best.
You're the best at it.
I can't do that.
I can see it either way.
On the flip, they are likely to function adequately if given the reassurance that someone else is supervising them or is approving other actions.
Okay, I can see that.
I can do it but you need to walk me through it.
I won't be able to just do it on my own.
For sure.
They need someone to say, no, I'm right here with you.
You can do this.
It's kind of hard to get a job and stuff if you have this personality stuff.
But if you feel validated in your position, then...
There you go.
There may be a fear of becoming or appearing to be more competent because they believe that this will lead to abandonment.
Like, oh, you can handle it on your own.
You can handle it on your own.
You've got this covered.
Because they rely on others to handle their problems, they often do not learn the skills of independent living, thus perpetuating dependency.
Oh yeah, they probably live at home for a very long time.
Or get stuck in a roommate situation for a very long time.
That's got to be so hard.
I can't even imagine.
That's got to be so draining.
Individuals with dependent personality disorder may go to excessive lengths to obtain nurturance and support from others,
even to the point of volunteering for unpleasant tasks if such behavior will bring the care that they require.
Like, for example, maybe going to...
Out of your way, maybe 30 minutes to pick somebody up because you really want them to come with you.
Or maybe dealing with a friend that you know isn't good for your partner because your partner likes that friend.
Ah, okay.
You know, like, I'm putting myself in an uncomfortable situation and I can't speak to that because if I say something bad about your friend,
then you might get mad at me.
You might choose your friend, don't you?
Yes, exactly.
They are willing to submit to what others want even if the demands are unreasonable.
Their need to maintain an important bond will often result in imbalance or distorted relationships.
They may take extraordinary self-sacrifices or tolerate verbal, physical, or sexual abuse.
It should be noted that this behavior should be considered evidence of a dependent personality disorder
only when it is clearly established that the other options that are available the individual ignores.
So, again, if you're in a domestic violence situation and you have nowhere else to go, that wouldn't be considered dependent personality disorder.
But if the option was to maybe spend time with a partner or go to work and you choose not to go to work and spend time with that partner,
even though that option is there, then that would be considered a dependent behavior.
That makes sense.
Individuals with this disorder feel uncomfortable or helpless when alone
because they're exaggerated fears of being unable to care for themselves.
That's part of the criteria in six.
They will tag along, quote, unquote, with important others just to avoid being alone,
even if they're not interested or actually involved with what's happening in the situation.
Yeah, and I feel like honestly with any mental disorder, solitude is not going to help that.
It's just going to perpetuate your fears and your ideas,
especially something like schizophrenia spectrum disorder or delusional disorder.
So that's where it's got to be hard for this because one of the criteria is that you can't, not can't,
but a lot of people don't put themselves out there in a fear of failing or thinking that they can't do it,
which results in them being alone a lot at home because they don't have a hobby or a job or whatever.
But then being at home makes the symptoms worse.
Worse because they feel, again, alone, abandoned.
It's almost like a self-manifestation.
You don't want to be alone, but it's like facing your worst fear if you're going to treat the dependent.
It's like a vision cycle.
I just found it interesting that, again, out of fear of being alone,
people with dependent personality disorder choose to even put themselves in situations that they're not even a part of.
Yeah, just to be around people.
And it would be like, I don't know, inviting, like, I'm going to a wedding this weekend.
Oh, can I come?
Yeah, or like, you know, oh, we're all going to go play tennis.
Like, I've never played in my life and I won't play.
I'll just come and I'll watch or whatever.
Exactly.
Like, I'm not even a part of whatever's going on here and I don't know the company,
but I do know you and, you know, it's like a gateway.
I feel like, again, everybody knows somebody with at least one or more of these criteria.
So it's very common.
I'm anxious to hear the prevalence.
When a close relationship ends, say, with a breakup with a lover or the death of a caregiver,
individuals with dependent personality disorder may urgently seek another relationship to provide the care and support that they require.
Their belief that they are unable to function in an absence of a close relationship motivates these individuals to become quickly and indiscriminately attached to another individual.
I've seen that before.
So it doesn't matter who it is.
I'm just going to run to the next person that will give me that attention.
Yeah, absolutely.
Individuals with this disorder are often preoccupied with fears of being left to care for themselves.
They see themselves as so totally dependent on the advice and help of an important other person that they worry about being abandoned by that person when there are no grounds to justify such fears.
So to be considered as evidence of this criterion, the fears must be excessive and unrealistic.
For example, an elderly man with cancer who moves into his son's household for care is exhibiting dependent behavior that is appropriate given the life circumstance.
Of course.
Yeah, like you're not going over there because you can't be alone.
You're going over there because you're ill and you need the help.
Exactly.
Yeah.
But it's not like just having to seek out the next person, you know?
So prevalence.
Data from 2001 to 2002 National Epidemi... like checkbook survey on alcohol and related conditions.
That was a big word.
What is it?
Epidemiologic.
There you go.
Yeah, I said that's what I said.
Sure.
It yielded an estimated prevalence of dependency, of dependent personality disorder of 0.49%.
Dependent personality was estimated based on a probability sub-sample from part two of the National Comorbidity Survey Replication to be 0.6%.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
That's actually a lot.
It's a lot.
Well, it's interesting that, you know, we talk about like schizophrenia spectrum, for example, that a trauma might trigger more symptoms or signs of schizophrenia disorder later in life.
I really feel like this is one that is probably attached to some type of a, I don't want to say like a PTSD, but a trauma response.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
And that can be like any trauma.
Environmental, physical, emotional, psychological.
It doesn't have to be abuse.
It can be a big move.
You move away from, you know, your hometown and you lose all of your close friends.
Something as simple as that can be an emotional trauma that can cause something like that to surface.
In clinical settings, dependent personality disorder has been diagnosed more frequently in females, although some studies report similar prevalence rates, prevalence rates among males and females.
So, there are five main types of dependent personality disorder, and I'm going to talk about those real quick.
Oh, interesting.
So, disquieted dependent, including avoidant features, manifests as restlessly perturbed, disconcerted, and fretful.
What do all those words mean?
Like, yeah, for sure.
Perturbed?
Perturbed, isn't that like disconcerted?
Isn't perturbed like, just like miffed?
A loof?
No, like miffed, like just, just a, no not that one either.
Okay.
I'm over here like I'm wicked smack.
Fucking wicked smack.
Okay, just keep going.
I'll use context clues.
This person feels dread and foreboding, apprehensively vulnerable to abandonment, lonely unless near supportive figures, which is, you know.
So, the next one is the selfless dependent, including masochistic features.
So, this person merges with and immersed into another person, so like has to be completely immersed by someone, is engulfed, enshrouded, absorbed, incorporated, willing to give up their own identity, and becomes one with or an extension of another.
That sounds like Carlo Hamoko.
Right?
The selfless dependent.
Like you, I will turn myself into a murderer to keep you and I together and to be happy.
Yeah.
That's why.
Because this is what you want.
Yeah.
The immature dependent, which is a variant of pure pattern apparently.
This person is unsophisticated, half grown, unversed, childlike, underdeveloped, inexperienced, gullible, uninformed, incapable of assuming adult responsibilities.
Yeah, that's like kind of fucked up like all those words.
Like what a day.
That sounds like a really shitty situation.
Seriously.
But I mean, it's just because of probably when it started manifesting.
Of course.
And you've just learned to be that way.
And yeah.
Maybe you weren't nurtured as a child, you know, maybe not in an extreme way, but that's what gives you comfort.
Yeah.
And you just don't need to grow up.
Overly nurtured.
Yeah.
Definitely.
Accommodating dependent.
This is including histrionic features.
Oh.
This person is gracious, neighborly, eager, benevolent, compliant, obliging, agreeable, denies disturbing feelings, and adopts submissive and inferior roles.
So one person that's like too happy and always wanting to hang out.
Like a Stepford wife.
Yeah.
Just like there's nothing wrong in the world at all.
Yeah.
And I'm never going to let you see that I'm upset and I'm always going to be available to hang out.
Yeah.
So then the last one that we have is the ineffectual dependent, including a schizoid features.
Oh, wow.
Schizoid.
Is that right?
Schizoid, yeah.
This person is unproductive, gainless, incompetent, meritless, seeks untroubled life, refuses to deal with difficulties, and is untroubled by shortcomings.
Oh, wow.
So a little bit, that's aloof, like unbothered.
Yeah, I would think so.
Just a little like eh, but seeks an untroubled life.
That's interesting.
That is interesting.
I mean, I seek an untroubled life.
Yeah.
Refuses to deal with difficulties.
This is going to, like this kind of person reminds me of someone who would be like a train hopper.
Like it's like I'm not worried about anything.
I'm a free spirit.
I'm just going to, I'm a free spirit.
But wants to talk to like everyone that they see on the train.
Have to.
Yeah, to maintain that connection with just people.
Yeah.
So a little bit of history of DPD, which came from Wikipedia, sorry.
The conceptualization of dependency within classical psychoanalytic theory is directly related to Freud's oral psychosexual stage of development.
So frustration or over gratification was said to result in an oral fixation and in the oral type of character characterized by feelings, feeling dependent on others for nurturance and behaviors by representative of the oral stage.
Dang.
Forgive me.
It's a lot.
So in the earlier psychoanalytic theories shifted the focus from a drive based approach of dependency to the recognition of the importance of early relationships and establishing separation from early caregivers.
So in which the exchange between the caregiver and the child become internalized and the nature of these interactions become part of the concepts of the self and of others.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
So I feel like that's a really fancy way of saying like you can literally do like whatever and your kids still might have this because it's an internalized dependency.
It's not like that you did something wrong by like taking care of your child.
Yeah, but I feel like everybody wants that feeling of being nurtured or taking care of.
Of course.
But once you get to a certain age, granted you do not have a disorder like this or a mental disorder, you start looking for that as a partner instead of an appraiser.
Yeah.
And that's where you get that same comfort, but you don't need your parent anymore.
Right.
I definitely, I can see exactly what you're saying.
Nobody wants to really date their mom or their dad, you know, and they don't want to also feel like you're their child.
Yeah.
And that you as a person having to be someone's parent either.
And it reminds me of this episode of Dr. Phil where the husband was real, like kind of like misogynistic and but she wanted to, she was like, oh, I'm fine with just being this submissive little whoa, whoa, head in the clouds.
And Dr. Phil asked, he said, when was the last time you all had sex?
And he was like, I don't know.
It's probably been like a year at least.
And he's like, yeah, because nobody wants to have sex with their dad.
It's pretty true.
I mean, that's what it was.
And he's like, well, I'm down for it, whatever.
And she's like, I'm completely shut off here because you're treating me like a child.
Yeah.
And I don't, that's, you know, there's somewhere in this, and this somewhere in the subconscious is like, don't do that.
That's weird.
Yeah, exactly.
He bosses you around all the time.
Yeah, for sure.
So treatment for DPD can include psychotherapy and sometimes medication is necessary as individuals with DPD can have increased depression and anxiety.
Got it.
Yeah.
So like kind of treat the comorbid symptoms as well as disorder.
Yeah, exactly.
And that should lessen those signs and symptoms.
That's true, yeah.
But really what it's about is just being self-aware.
It really is.
And we're not obviously by any means saying that you can just like change your mindset and not have a mental disorder.
No, yeah.
But it's just really, that's why like one of the main reasons that we do this is education.
And the more that you know about a disorder that you might be experiencing or a loved one might be experiencing the earlier you can help and get treatment for that.
No one, not everyone with DPD or any mental disorder is going to require treatment or require medication or, you know, talk therapy.
But if you can get to it at the root before it becomes out of control, that's the main goal in this.
For sure.
You know, and you can't, we've talked about it before with epigenetics.
Sometimes you can't prevent a mental disorder from developing.
Sometimes you're born with it.
Sometimes it's genetics.
Sometimes it's hereditary.
Right.
Sometimes it just comes out over the surface because of the trauma.
So knowing how to approach it if and when it does come up is the key, I think.
Right.
DPD is as far as we know a hereditary mental disorder.
So it is likely that if you experience symptoms like that, a parent is probably experiencing the same symptoms or has.
And that's how you just pass it down.
If not by nature, then by nurture.
Yeah, for sure.
Which is interesting.
Yeah, that is really interesting.
Well, that was a good one.
Thanks.
I'm glad you brought that.
And of course, you guys know that we always have all of our resources on our website.
You can definitely click there.
We definitely want you guys to get like the best mental health treatment possible and just be aware of certain things.
We are not here to exploit people with these mental disorders.
We're here to educate.
Of course.
And we're here to really get to the root of how to help.
And start discussions.
Yeah.
Not just, you know, I mean, Ken and I are just sitting in a closet, but, you know, start discussions with your friends and family about some of the things that they might be experiencing.
Or it doesn't even have to be that.
You can just say, I listened to a diagnosed annular and they talked about dependent personality disorder.
And now I can recognize that maybe in myself or in others.
Yeah.
And then you just know a little bit more.
Exactly.
That's okay too.
You do what you can until you know better.
And then when you know better, you do better.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Just do better.
Well, that was good.
Thanks for bringing that.
I hope you guys enjoyed this one too.
All right, all right, all right.
We'll see you guys on Thursday with another case.
And yeah, I think that's it.
All right.
Anything else?
Nope.
Let's get out of here.
All right.
Love you.
Bye.
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