1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,960 All right, welcome to today's Water Talk. 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:11,200 I have one of my closest friends here today, Drew Tevez. 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:19,800 And for those of you who missed the first time we've done this, Drew and I met in 2012 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:25,680 and immediately started surfing together. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:35,560 Drew and I have surfed in Mexico at Todos Santos all over San Diego, the ranch in Santa 6 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,480 Barbara on one of the better surf days of my life. 7 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:43,400 We have surfed Tavarula in restaurants in Fiji. 8 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,640 We've surfed in El Salvador. 9 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,100 And in March, we're going to go to Indonesia together. 10 00:00:51,100 --> 00:00:59,520 So Drew and I's friendship has revolved mostly around surfing, but we're also pastors. 11 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:07,120 And Drew is coming up on celebrating one year of him and Trish starting Aloha Church. 12 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,040 And then I'm like a year behind Drew. 13 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,240 We're just a little over a year of doing Ocean Water Church. 14 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:18,680 So today I thought it'd be fun if we would just talk informally about some of the lessons 15 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:26,640 that we've learned along the way in this new chapter of starting churches. 16 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,640 So good to see you, man. 17 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:31,640 Yeah. 18 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,520 Yeah, I'm stoked to see you, Betty. 19 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:34,520 Yeah. 20 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,560 Hope that I can have enough information for you guys. 21 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:42,880 I'm a father of four, and I got to drive and go pick up my kids pretty soon. 22 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:48,960 Earlier today, we had a couple over to do premarital. 23 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:55,600 So your life is always just integrated and entwined, and just like ministry and lifestyle 24 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,480 can all get just put together. 25 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,080 So you guys got to watch your time. 26 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,080 That's a big lesson. 27 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,160 You know what I mean? 28 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:06,560 Marriage is first. 29 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:07,560 Family's first. 30 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,120 Say no a lot. 31 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,320 And always just say yes. 32 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:19,560 Just say yes to being available to God using you the way he's uniquely created you. 33 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:24,440 And I think it's oftentimes hard for maybe sometimes a lot of people to find how God's 34 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:28,400 uniquely created you, not to please anybody else. 35 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:29,400 You know what I mean? 36 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:36,680 That's a big thing is I want to please God first, not the church you work for or denomination 37 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,600 or people's expectations of what they think you should do as a person in ministry. 38 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,320 So check in your heart first, right? 39 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,120 Like a lot of people I think get into ministry or different things because they want to prove 40 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:54,440 to themselves, prove to God, or they think if they climb a ladder to success. 41 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:55,440 So whatever it is. 42 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:04,040 So when you and I talk to people, Ryan, we're always, we're always trying to sense the motivation 43 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,720 behind why people want to do things, right? 44 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:13,840 So whether that's ministry or just getting into surfing or why are you posting on Instagram? 45 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,200 It always comes out of what's inside their heart. 46 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,840 And Jesus was always checking the heart motivation of people. 47 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,800 So that's a big lesson that I've learned is my own heart. 48 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:29,480 And then trying to have wisdom and discern the motivations of why people are coming onto 49 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:34,440 our team, why they're saying what they want, why do they want to be given out, whatever 50 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:35,440 that is. 51 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,560 So that takes some experience, I guess, and being in tune with what the Holy Spirit is 52 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,080 doing in your life. 53 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,840 I just made a whole lot of stuff right there. 54 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:44,840 But that's fine. 55 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,680 It's nice to do one of these with no agenda. 56 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:48,680 No, no. 57 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:49,680 Yes. 58 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:50,680 Normally. 59 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:51,680 Yeah. 60 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:52,680 So this is really nice. 61 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:53,680 I think you're right. 62 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,480 You know, heart and intentions matter. 63 00:03:55,480 --> 00:04:01,320 You know, following Jesus is all about your motives and your intentions, so much so that 64 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:07,240 he had to remind us that in Matthew that it says, do not judge, lest you be judged for 65 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,280 the measure you use it, it will be measured unto you. 66 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:16,040 What he was talking about there was, well, the reason this conversation happened in the 67 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:25,320 first place is because we always get into troubled territory when we become over concerned 68 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,200 with motives and intentions. 69 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,200 But they matter. 70 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:36,440 You know, our own motives and our own intentions, they absolutely matter. 71 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:46,280 Christianity at its heart is a heart and spirit led relationship. 72 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:53,360 It's about getting the heart and the intentions of Jesus into our daily life and actions. 73 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,840 So that's what Maria mostly reminds me of. 74 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:03,080 She's wonderful, but she's always usually reminding me of stuff that's going on in my 75 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,080 heart. 76 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,080 And so it's good, man. 77 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,760 Very, very good. 78 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:15,880 I know you're having your two year anniversary this Sunday at Dan and Tori Pines, and I'll 79 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:16,880 be there. 80 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:17,880 I'm excited. 81 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:18,880 I'm excited. 82 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:19,880 I'm excited to be there. 83 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,880 I'll save some tacos for you. 84 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,120 I know Mark will be there because I spent time with Mark yesterday. 85 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,600 I know he's coming. 86 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,000 And I asked Bobby if he would come. 87 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Bobby will be out of town. 88 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,000 Oh, right. 89 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,000 It'll be a big party. 90 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,400 Yeah, but yeah, that'd be so that's two years. 91 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:36,520 So that's clear. 92 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,920 That's two years of when we launched public services. 93 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:46,620 But as you and I know, it's more about like three years because the first whole year was 94 00:05:46,620 --> 00:05:49,440 like a study in my house. 95 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,080 You know, Bible study in my house. 96 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,520 Doing ministry, serving. 97 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,560 So that's a whole nother topic of how to start churches or whatever. 98 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,760 It's just love. 99 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:07,480 It's the Holy Spirit led and God always pours fire on where he's moving. 100 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,320 So it was just something in our house, a Bible study, you know, doing ministry, building 101 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,480 a team, and that's growing and that's the next growing. 102 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:22,680 And then your leadership experience and how God's wired you, that just kind of helped 103 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:28,360 build the structure and vision and plan and strategy and motives and vision and all that. 104 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:34,720 But then all in the meantime, why we're doing church, right? 105 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:39,400 Why we're doing church is because the harvest is plentiful, the workers are few. 106 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:44,460 So there's a whole lot of people out there who want to experience the Lord. 107 00:06:44,460 --> 00:06:47,800 For us, it was we wanted two people, two kind of groups. 108 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,800 We want to reach people who are wanted Jesus, but we're just kind of fed up with the hijacked 109 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,360 version of what has become the church, right? 110 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,520 That's a whole other topic, right? 111 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:06,200 So we just started gathering people at beaches and home, being the church kind of old school, 112 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:07,240 really simple. 113 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,000 And those things started to grow. 114 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,200 We have a couple of mini churches now that are way bigger than the mini church I have 115 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,680 at my own house, which is awesome. 116 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:19,280 We want to just keep pouring fire and resourcing to all those people. 117 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,080 And then after about a year, we finally were able to get a school that's a mile from my 118 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,080 house. 119 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,360 The past six months, we haven't met at that school. 120 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,520 So our two year anniversary is going to be at another church that my friend runs because 121 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,240 God provides on their grass because it's one big church. 122 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,640 Just want to have everybody else win. 123 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,480 And that's the beauty of it that goes back to again, why the motives of doing it, right? 124 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:46,640 Am I trying to build Drew's name and be, or we're just trying to bring Jesus to San Diego 125 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,480 because a lot of people are hurting, especially now, right? 126 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,880 Especially now is a great opportunity. 127 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,600 I believe we're in a revival. 128 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:55,680 Everybody's praying for a revival. 129 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:00,800 I believe a revival is now where Christians just have to really seek like, I got to seek 130 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,360 the Lord on my own. 131 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,520 And that's, you can't give that to anybody else as a pastor, right? 132 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:12,200 Seeking the Lord on your own, the same way a brand new believer has to seek Jesus on 133 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,240 their own every day. 134 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:15,360 And that's the best way to do it. 135 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,400 So keep it simple. 136 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,160 You and I are on the same page of that for sure. 137 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:21,160 Yeah, we are. 138 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,320 We're on the same page about a lot of things. 139 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,880 And I do, but yeah, I really sense God moving as well. 140 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:35,080 In the last month, I've baptized like 10 people in the ocean. 141 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,120 It's awesome. 142 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,120 It is awesome. 143 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,360 And none of it was planned. 144 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:51,440 I went to Adam's son's birthday party, who, a kinnier who turned 13. 145 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:58,000 And I went down to Riviera, went to his birthday party and I show up and it's a beautiful day. 146 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:03,840 And long story short, his birthday party turned into a baptism. 147 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,640 Oh man, that was great. 148 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:12,720 He got baptized, his sister, his mom, his dad, their other two friends. 149 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,720 They all wanted to get baptized together. 150 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:16,720 That was beautiful. 151 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:25,800 And then Julie's mom said, hey, I'd like to get baptized soon. 152 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:30,360 We went back a few days later and she got baptized. 153 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:36,520 And then Sunday night, I got a call at nine o'clock at night and Bobby, Bobby Rams, you 154 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:41,960 know Bobby, and Bobby had had his next door neighbors over to his house to watch the football 155 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:42,960 game. 156 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:50,560 During the football game, Bobby led his neighbors to the Lord and called me and said, hey, they'd 157 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:52,080 like to get baptized. 158 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,760 So last night, Maria and I went down to St. Clemente Pier and we had another baptism and 159 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,760 what I, you know, got. 160 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,680 Yeah, that's so dope. 161 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:01,680 It's awesome. 162 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:03,360 Yeah, you can't plan that kind of stuff. 163 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,560 You can't strategize or put it on the goals or fill out spreadsheets. 164 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:07,920 I mean, you can. 165 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,680 That's nothing wrong with that. 166 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:17,920 But just allowing God, I think we've, we say we want to slow down our lives, right? 167 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,840 Slow down our lives to allow the Holy Spirit to interrupt our lives, you know, to allow 168 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:28,280 the Holy Spirit to just find times you go into your friend's house, invite it like Bobby 169 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,520 going to party that you're slowing down your life and you're being with people. 170 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:36,960 Ryan, that is like, that's hard to teach because that's unfortunately not always taught in 171 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:45,120 the systems that sometimes in the entrepreneurial business of planning and church strategizing, 172 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,120 right? 173 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,480 It's like a lot of it is service planting. 174 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,640 People want to plant services, right? 175 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:56,520 But I think now with the world and how you're doing church is awesome because you're allowing 176 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,480 the Holy Spirit to just move in your life. 177 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,120 And I mean, if you look out, that's how Jesus did his miracles. 178 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:03,120 He did it at a wedding, right? 179 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:08,640 He showed up to a wedding, did a miracle, fed 5,000 because they're just out there. 180 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,680 So they didn't like strategize or plan all that, which is we're not against that. 181 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:17,920 But I think it's how the God moves. 182 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,760 And we see God move even more in those instances, right? 183 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,880 But you have to slow down. 184 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,480 Americans want to plan our whole life and have everything. 185 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,760 We want to plan so much that we don't need faith, right? 186 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:34,520 We want to climb a ladder, strategize, have financial health and wealth and all the stuff 187 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,360 so that we don't need faith. 188 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,560 But faith is really the only way to please God. 189 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:42,820 And when you're doing ministry like this on shoestring budget and grassroots and living 190 00:11:42,820 --> 00:11:47,960 rooms and borrowing stuff and getting people giving you chairs and in people's houses, 191 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,760 it is like definitely you see your faith grows. 192 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:57,520 At the end of the day, to have strong faith, you have to use it. 193 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:02,040 So praise God for all this opportunities and hardships, right? 194 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,000 Yeah, it is. 195 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:10,400 I think you do learn to depend on God. 196 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:16,600 And I do think that if you just build relationships, a lot of wonderful things will happen. 197 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:27,120 So our guys group meets on Fridays in the back of a coffee shop up here in St. Clemente 198 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,440 called Sur that our friend Mark and Adam started. 199 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:35,800 And two weeks ago, Bobby invited his neighbor, this guy Woody. 200 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,280 Woody's this giant guy. 201 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,700 He's a Navy SEAL and a real tough guy. 202 00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:46,080 He's actually going to deploy in two weeks. 203 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:51,800 And so yeah, and then Bobby had them over and God moved. 204 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,760 And that's a beautiful thing. 205 00:12:53,760 --> 00:13:00,640 I think when you and then today we met for lunch to kind of celebrate last night and 206 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:05,320 Adam came and helped me with the with Adam and Bobby helping with that. 207 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:06,320 Isn't that great? 208 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:11,200 And today we were having lunch and then Adam's friend, who he's been friends with since high 209 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,880 school, came to have lunch with us today. 210 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,440 And then he asked if he could if he could go to Indonesia with us. 211 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,200 So now he's going to come. 212 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:30,360 So it's nice when you see God moving through sincere friendships and relationships. 213 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,560 It's an awesome thing. 214 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:33,560 Yeah. 215 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:36,240 Yeah, man. 216 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,240 What a journey. 217 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,720 Yeah, it's good. 218 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:45,680 So it's well, I'm excited to to be here on Sunday and to celebrate with you. 219 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:51,040 I was there for your launch in the one year. 220 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,520 Yeah, a lot of times there for your launch. 221 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,440 I was not there when you when you started gathering people in your home. 222 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,000 Although I think I did come one time. 223 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,440 I think I came once to say hi. 224 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:02,440 Yeah, I think you did. 225 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:09,080 And then the first time you and Trish have a service at Michigan High School was wonderful 226 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,080 to be at. 227 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,680 I got to be at your one year. 228 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:14,920 I get to be at your second year. 229 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:23,760 And what are some you have a lot of younger people coming to Aloha a lot of it's awesome. 230 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,880 What are some things that you might you might share? 231 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:33,120 You might say to some, you know, some guys in their 20s that are that are thinking, well, 232 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,520 I really love God and I really love people. 233 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,600 Maybe God's maybe God's tapping on my shoulder to help me start a church. 234 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,680 What are some things you might say to those guys? 235 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,400 Yeah, that's a good question. 236 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:49,000 We do have some young guys that are they've told me I feel like God's coming to be a pastor 237 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,360 to start a church. 238 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,400 There's a lot of routes people take is like the education route. 239 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,280 There's like seminary, which is all good. 240 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:58,280 Bible knowledge. 241 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,280 That's all good. 242 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:05,040 You know, we always believe it's a biblical principle that, you know, we equip the called. 243 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,280 You know, so people feel called to do it. 244 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,880 I always ask I always ask a question I say, why? 245 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,120 Why do you want to do this? 246 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,920 And then I say, like, who do you love? 247 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,640 Like, like, who are the people that that you love? 248 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:20,840 Because that's what it's about. 249 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,000 It's about loving kind of a certain group of people. 250 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:31,040 If you're not loving people now, you know, it's going to be tough to switch that loving 251 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:41,760 people because you can get so caught up in like starting the business of a church nonprofit 252 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,840 planting services, right? 253 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,720 Planning meetings, planting services. 254 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:53,520 But we want to plan a movement we want to live changed. 255 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:54,920 That really light bulbs changed. 256 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,120 So that's a big shift. 257 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:05,160 I think sometimes people are handed down an idea of church services, people on stage, 258 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:09,560 people honoring people who are on stage. 259 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,240 But not everybody is that a lot of people just like the grassroots movement. 260 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:18,080 I would tell those I tell those people, hey, start something in your house, start a mini 261 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,080 church. 262 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:20,080 Gather some people. 263 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,160 Gather some people. 264 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,580 Meet their needs. 265 00:16:23,580 --> 00:16:26,160 If you love the word of God, it goes in your heart. 266 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,840 You start to love the things God loves. 267 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:28,840 God loves his people. 268 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,680 You start to love God's people. 269 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:31,920 You start to want to meet their needs. 270 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,280 When you start meeting their needs, you start to see the overpouring outflow of God in your 271 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:37,880 life in their life. 272 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,240 And that's really what a church is. 273 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:40,240 It's a family. 274 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,920 People called out to know God meeting each other's needs. 275 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:49,720 It's it's doesn't it's not all it's not services and all that stuff that's in the Bible. 276 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,120 It doesn't have that in the Bible, right? 277 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:59,400 So when you read just the Bible, it's unnamed places by unnamed people at birthday parties 278 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,560 at football games, right? 279 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:02,600 Baptizing people. 280 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,640 So it's just very organic. 281 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:06,760 That's what I tell people to do. 282 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,400 Just start loving people, gathering them right where you're at today. 283 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,080 Don't wait to have a certificate. 284 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:16,500 Don't wait till you're 50 years old to have a denomination and raise a million dollars 285 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:17,500 and have a building campaign. 286 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:18,500 You know what I mean? 287 00:17:18,500 --> 00:17:19,920 Like you could do it now. 288 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,720 So we need a lot more young people loving on their friends right now because a lot of 289 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,920 pastors, as you know, the average age is like one hundred and sixty five. 290 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,480 So we need to lower that average down. 291 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:35,600 You know, some young guys pasturing, baptizing people, gathering people, they can do it. 292 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,640 They have permission and they're released. 293 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,800 And guys like us are going to help them and try to support them and coach them. 294 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,360 And really, it's just being available, not being afraid of failing. 295 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:44,360 Yeah. 296 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:46,360 I love what you said. 297 00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:51,160 And you and I are both well, there's two ways to lead. 298 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,880 You can lead like this, which is I have every decision. 299 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,640 It's my thing. 300 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:58,640 I'm in control. 301 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,800 I'm in control. 302 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,360 This signifies control. 303 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:03,360 Yeah. 304 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:05,360 A controlling leader is a fearful leader, right? 305 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:06,360 We learned that. 306 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:11,000 Or you can lead like this, which is how you and I try to lead. 307 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,000 And that is open handed. 308 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:18,120 And the reality is, Aloha is not your church. 309 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:19,120 It's God's church. 310 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:20,440 Ocean water isn't my church. 311 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:21,440 It's God's church. 312 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,800 The people that come to Aloha aren't Jewish people. 313 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:24,800 They're God's people. 314 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,960 The people that come to ocean water, they're not Ryan's people. 315 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,080 They're God's people. 316 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,600 All we get to do is be involved in their lives. 317 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:39,080 And when people, when God's moving in someone's life, you're just open handed and you say, 318 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,120 I'm behind you. 319 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:53,680 And the thing about leadership is if people will follow you, then you're the leader. 320 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,160 It's not rocket science. 321 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:01,760 So if you're open handed like this and you give people permission and you notice that 322 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,040 other people will follow someone, that's called leadership. 323 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,440 Because leadership is not a title and it's not an order chart. 324 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,240 It's influence. 325 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:12,240 Yeah. 326 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:17,040 If you notice a person who has influence and you notice there's a person that a lot of 327 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:25,040 people will follow and then you're open handed, God can move and do beautiful things. 328 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:31,960 And I just want to say to anybody who's watching this that's younger and you might feel like 329 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:37,000 God's tapping you on the shoulder, I want to say, Drew and I are open handed and we 330 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,000 will love you. 331 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,840 We will support you. 332 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,040 You have permission and you're called. 333 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:53,960 You don't need all of the traditional pedigree or resume or boxes to be checked in your life. 334 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:54,960 You don't. 335 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:55,960 In order to feed. 336 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,720 You don't have to raise a year's salary. 337 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:58,720 You don't get a building. 338 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,720 You don't have to do that kind of stuff. 339 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,760 You got to love people. 340 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:04,760 Yeah. 341 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:10,360 And you also don't, you also, one of the things it's not talked about a lot. 342 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:16,280 I know you just have like two minutes left, but you know, actually the less money involved 343 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:17,280 the better. 344 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,240 A lot of the time, you know, when you just keep it around Jesus and the Bible and food 345 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:28,000 and so many beautiful things can come out of that and God can pour water and make something 346 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,000 grow. 347 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,480 So that's right. 348 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,480 Everything you have is in your house. 349 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:41,400 Basically, I think I just preached that Elijah and the widow, she only had a jar so of oil. 350 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,240 So I was a sermon coming out of me. 351 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,920 How's the wonderful message on Sunday, by the way, I watched it. 352 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,880 Thank you for that. 353 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,240 Tracy did a great job sharing at the end as well. 354 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,840 So yeah, a little touch. 355 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:55,840 Everybody likes the Trish. 356 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,400 That's that's everybody's favorite part. 357 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,360 I work, I work all week. 358 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:04,080 There's a message and Trish gets up there from a heart and everybody, everybody likes 359 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,080 that part. 360 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,080 So hey, right on. 361 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:11,040 Whatever the Holy Spirit teaches people are all good. 362 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,160 So hopefully young people watching this, you know, hopefully a lot of 20 year olds watching 363 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,680 this that are feeling like it's a it's not as far as they think. 364 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:20,680 You know what I mean? 365 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,080 It's not as so far out there. 366 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,580 It's like right in your, there's always people right around you. 367 00:21:25,580 --> 00:21:27,240 You can gather and start love. 368 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,240 You have to have all the answers. 369 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,480 You don't have to know about the dinosaurs or know the book of Revelation. 370 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,200 I don't even teach on the book of Revelation there. 371 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,200 Young people. 372 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,200 I'm like, whatever. 373 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,640 I taught my whole life and we never talked about Revelation. 374 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:39,640 Jesus coming back. 375 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:40,640 Just be ready. 376 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,640 He's coming back soon. 377 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,640 Maybe not tomorrow. 378 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,840 Yeah, love, love people. 379 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:49,840 I go with John. 380 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:54,280 John in the New Testament talks about loving people over and over and over again. 381 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,800 So that's a good message. 382 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:56,800 Love people. 383 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:57,800 Love one another. 384 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:58,800 Love you. 385 00:21:58,800 --> 00:21:59,800 Love you. 386 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:00,800 Love you, that. 387 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:01,800 Well, thank you. 388 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:02,800 Get hot. 389 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:03,800 Love you. 390 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:04,800 Yeah, man. 391 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:05,800 I wanted to see you guys. 392 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:06,800 Yeah, I'll see. 393 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:07,800 I'll see you this weekend. 394 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,480 I just kind of wanted to get a little informal chat about some things you've learned in the 395 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:18,200 last last couple of years, getting a little hot and going right out of your home and with 396 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,560 you and your wife and your family and your home and seeing how it's progressed just really 397 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,600 stoked, really honored to be a part of it. 398 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,600 And I love you, dude. 399 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,520 I'll see you this weekend and have fun picking up kids. 400 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:57,640 Thanks, bro.