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Water Talks. Got my buddy Tim Kirkpatrick on here today. Tim's been helping nonprofits, businesses,

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NGOs, churches do what they need to do for a very long time. And I got introduced to Tim from some

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video courses that I watched that were very, very helpful to me in developing a process to help

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people understand what we do at Ocean Water. And it was very, very helpful. So out of that,

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decided to have a little combo with you today, brother. So thanks for coming on, man.

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Hey, thanks for having me.

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Yeah, yeah. Stoked. Okay. So when you're at home these days, we've all been at home. Where's home?

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What do you get to eat? And yeah, how do you do it?

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Yeah, usually we talk about our favorite restaurants, but we haven't been going out to eat too much. I

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live just west of Washington, DC in Northern Virginia, which is absolutely amazing. We love it.

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We love the history. We love the scenery. We're about an hour to three hours from the beaches,

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depending on how nice the beach you want to go to, and about 30 minutes from mountains. So it's

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just a really, really great, what we would call mountains over on the East Coast at least, but a

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really great time. But I haven't been eating out too much, but I have been smoking a lot of meat and

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barbecuing and experimenting and just doing all the things that a dad's supposed to know how to do

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automatically that they don't teach you in dad's school, like how to grill the perfect steak and

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whatnot. So the only problem with that is the rest of my family are completely vegan. And so when I'm

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making a 10 pound brisket, my dog and I eat off of that for a while. That's about it.

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I love the diversity of thought of the home, man. My father, I've seen my father eat a piece of

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chicken, I think twice in my life. Twice. And then I can remember my dad has been a vegetarian my

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entire life. I've always told my dad, he like missed a generation. He was a vegetarian my whole

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life, rode his bicycle to work and served and was very unconventional. He was like, he was born two

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generations early. Oh, absolutely. But yeah, so Tim, thanks for that. That's a beautiful part of

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the country. I've been out there. I love it. It's wonderful. It's beautiful. What do you do in these

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days? And how did you get into it? Yeah, I have an organization called Second Chair Solutions. And

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it's a business I run that was when we started was just me doing consulting work for for different

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organizations and people almost like a hired gun coming on and, and helping them transition through

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some stuff, but it grew fairly rapidly last couple years. And, and I have several other people that

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work with me. Basically, what we do is anything that an organization, a leader is going through,

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whether it's a rough transition, or maybe they're just stuck in some organizational cultural things,

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systematic stuff, strategy, we come alongside out of the spotlight, helping them from the side or

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from the back, and really propping them up for success. And our whole mantra is like, your vision

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is our mission. So whatever it is you want to do, we want to help you do it, but we don't want any

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of the credit. We want to be completely behind the scenes. And, and that really comes from in, in

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Romans, the message version of Romans 12 talks about learn to play second fiddle. So we call it

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the second chair, or second chair solutions, which we don't want first chair, that's for other

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people. And that's completely fine. We want to we want to come alongside help you for a time, and

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then get you off and running. And so we've been doing that for the last four or five years. And

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it's been just going gangbusters. And, and the way we start all that is a very interesting story in

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and of itself. But yeah, we love it. And things are going great. COVID kind of knocked us off a

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little bit because we had a lot of travel plans. But with anything in life, you pivot, and you try

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to figure out how that works and how you do that with virtual school or no school and everything

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else that goes along with it. So actually, I was talking to one of my one of my clients the other

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day, and I said, I've had to really coach myself and take a lot of the advice that I give other

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people. I've had to take it a lot myself, the last couple of months. And so taste of your own

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medicines, it's kind of interesting, fun. I can see why you're, you're good friends with Rick

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Dunn. Yeah. Very, very similar heart. Wonderful, wonderful guy. Yeah, Rick's a great guy. He is

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a wonderful man. I've been following his Bronco journey. He's he's restoring an old Bronco. Yeah,

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I'm trying not to have the envy. Yeah, he's a car pro. He is a he's a car savant. Yeah, what a what

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a great guy. So part of part of being a leader, you know, you help leaders come alongside leaders,

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you serve leaders, we're always trying to get at learning learning and has two ways to learn. We

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learn from others mistakes for our own. So one of the things that I like to ask people is, you know,

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what what are some things that you might, you know, the current Tim might say to like, you know, 20

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year old Tim, what are some things you've learned along the way? Let's see, I got to edit some of

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this stuff out because I think the 20 year old, sorry, besides, I'm sorry. Yeah, the, the 20 year

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old Tim would only would only hear things if you were yelling at him or slapping them around.

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Because very, very hard headed, right? I think patience is huge. As the older we get, the more

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we realize that there was time to have patience. When the younger we are, we don't understand time.

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When you're 20, you only live 20 years, you believe lived at all. And you're like, well, that went by

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way too fast. I have no concept of what 60 is like, I have no concept of what 40 is like, all I know

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is, I feel like I'm a third of way through my life, or half of the way through my life, or, you know,

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up until that point, you're all the way through your life. So you have no concept. That starts to

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change around 3035. I'll be 40 in a couple of months. And it's not rocking my world as much as

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it did my dad, I think when when I saw my dad turn 40, when I saw his friends turn 40. And about five

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years ago is how I got into what I'm doing now. I kind of had this whole existential crisis of, of

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what am I doing? Like, why am I here? What's you know, I'd achieved a lot in my life up until that

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point. Some of it planned a lot of it not planned. And just kind of had a whole why am I here type of

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type of moment and walk through Donald Miller had a great course on Miller from Blue like jazz, what

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on earth are you here for? He's gonna get a company called story brand, but he had a whole life plan

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course that I did is like 16 modules that that I walked through. And it just completely wrecked my

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life in a good way, and helped me rebuild a lot of things. That's where I came up with the the life

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calling the life purpose of I'm here to help others do what God's called them to do. And the

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moment I shifted my perspective in that a job didn't change, my marriage situation didn't change,

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my kids didn't change, my perspective change, and everything else changed with it. And I would go

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back and I would tell that younger Tim, the sooner you figure out your purpose, and the sooner you

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only do your purpose, the better your life is going to be. Wise words, man. That'll that'll work.

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That'll work every day of the week. Yeah, try to try to find out, you know, try to find out what

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we're supposed to be doing, and then and then go and do it in this in as nice a way as possible.

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Wonderful, wonderful advice. Yeah. So, you know, part of part of growing too, is, you know, just

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staying curious. So what do you what are you interested in these days? There's no right answer

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to it. Just Yeah, what? What are you interested in? Well, right now I'm interested in Rick Dunn's

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Bronco. But that's that's more old envy than anything else. I try not to get too meta philosophical

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on it. I do I do like old things. I like old houses. I like old cars. I like old people. I like old

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things, but I like to see them restored in a way and not sitting, you know, rusting and broken down

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and all that stuff. And there's probably some like, again, philosophical inner thing that like, I

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don't want to see things wasted. I want to see people wasting that but I just love tinkering with

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that stuff. Like even with smoking the meats and the briskets and the in the Boston butts and what

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not what not that I'm doing right now. I'm not using like a fancy $1,000 Traeger grills or pellets

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or anything like that I got get for free and old Weber kettle grill that was just banged up got it

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for free. And that's what I'm going to work on because that's what my grandfather would have

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used. And that's what my father would have used. And and so I'm having fun with old stuff, you know,

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I'm not an antique collector, I just I just seek the value of things that were well made. So I'm

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curious about that. I'm also really, really into psychology right now. Psychology and physiology

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with the way the mind and the body work together. There's a book on trauma that's absolutely

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phenomenal called the body keeps score that I went through last year. And it is if you if it's helpful

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if you if you want to be trauma informed, if you've been through a lot of trauma in your life,

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it's probably going to bring up a lot of things. But just seeing the how psychology and physiology

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really work hand in hand, and they're more connected than separated, has just been absolutely

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fascinating to me. But it's also helped on on the client and on the business side of helping people

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as well. So yeah, those are those are from from meat to psychology and physiology. Those are all

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those are all things I'm curious about. I tend to be naturally curious as well. So I can get

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very curious about a lot of things very quickly. Well, that's one of the best qualities I think

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you can have as a person is that absolutely. And that's why it's fun to have these conversations.

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I like what you said about old people. I like old people too. Yeah, there's some I think they're

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great. I think I think they're scrappy. That's the word they're scrappy. And there's Yeah,

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there's a different set of I don't know, I just I like I like all types of people. But I really,

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I really like old people. I think you get the perspective to even with that and talk about

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patience. Old people will tell you when you need to act quicker and when you need to act slower,

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because they seen it. The younger you are, the harder it is to discern those two.

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act quickly on. And really, I don't know any other way other than failing that you learn

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the difference between the two, you know. And so that's why I try to get I do I ask,

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I will naturally be curious with older people and ask them, what's what's your best win in life?

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Best win in life? What's your biggest like what you're doing? What's your biggest failure? What's

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your biggest regret? What's one thing that that you're glad you did early on, you know,

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all that stuff, just to try not to reinvent the wheel every single time, just try to learn from

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other people's successes and failures. And it's been it's been very, very rewarding doing that.

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Yeah, it sure has. And we need the older Yeah, the older I get to the more I find myself

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apologizing about every decade I've lived. That's okay. Yeah. So what's on that line? I think one of

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the what another fun question to ask is something that you fail that you want to talk about.

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Yeah, um, keep it recent. Keep it recent. Yeah, I well, yeah, honestly, it's fairly recent

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that I that I changed. I don't think I realized how bad I was failing at it until I stopped doing it.

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So by nature, second chair leader, I have no problem being the Robin to somebody's Batman

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type of situation, right? Yeah. This profile high I hi D, I'm a D if there's not another D around,

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if there's a D around, I'll go into the I space all that stuff. I have not done a good job of

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I have not done a good job of leading up very good at leading down. But leading up with whether it's

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with clients or people that I've worked for, realizing that everybody wants to be led,

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everybody wants the cookies out on the table, bag open, all that stuff. And so realizing the

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responsibility is on me, not to be forceful with it, but to say, hey, this is step one to step five,

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let me walk you through that. And, and whether it's your fundraising, which you probably are

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doing a lot of fundraising, whether it's fundraising, whether it's disseminated information

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to a staffer, or, or even if it's working with your spouse or with your kids, clearly communicating

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and leading them step by step is absolutely huge. Otherwise, we're all walking around with like

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IKEA instructions with an Allen wrench and a picture. And then like three pictures later,

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everything's supposed to be done. And just like IKEA furniture, at least a lot of frustration and

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confusion. So I think just leading people micro steps, not micromanaging, but just leading people,

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and the responsibility is always on the person to do that. Always on the part like if I want

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something done, I need to lead you to that. And I think I've not done a good job of that in the

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past. And it really, really put me far behind on a lot of things I wanted done personally,

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professionally, relationally. So

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that's great. That's great. So let's, let's, let's hang a bit of a right. Yep. What do you,

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what do you know about, like, water situation in the world? What would be your, your, your,

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your reference point? Yep. So I'm on a freshwater team that it's a desalination team, which you

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obviously know a lot about that can in 24 hours, moments notice go anywhere in the world. There's a

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tsunami, earthquake, whatever, be deployed with some private airplanes and get to a location to

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provide emergency water. Obviously, everybody needs water to survive. And that's an emergency

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situation. What, what I've seen though, more often than not is the long term, that's long term

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effects of not having clean water versus having clean water. Yeah. Forget a week or two weeks,

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that that would lead to sudden death, obviously. But when you're getting into, you know,

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impoverished countries, countries without clean flowing fresh water, that's where you're going to

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get the cholera. That's when you're going to get a lot of the viruses, bacteria and disease,

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or just the malnutrition that comes from not having fresh water with your crops or with your

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animals that, that can lead to just some serious, serious long term educational and impoverished

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just state of the community. So as far as statistics or anything like that, not quite sure. I just know,

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I just know it's a huge, huge need. That seems like it's a drop in the bucket every time something,

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something positive does happen, but the need is seemingly always there for clean, sustainable

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fresh water. Yeah. I've actually had some really great long discussions on the phone with John

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Lyon. Yep. Yeah. Great guy. John's the CEO of World Hope and, and, and I've actually spoken with his

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mom. Yeah. Joanne, Joanne's the real deal with that. John's great. Speaking of, speaking of somebody

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who's older that I had a really nice conversation with, I must have spent an hour with her on the

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phone asking her all sorts of questions about all sorts of stuff. Some of it was, was related to

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water and she, she actually was very supportive. She, she connected me with her son and I had some,

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I do, I reach out to him from time to time and I ask him technical questions and, and because

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what I love about what John's working on is, is that it provides a quick solution in a crisis.

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Yeah. Well, and, and what I like, Joanne and, and John both, Joanne founded the organization

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20 some years ago. John took it over recently, but they probably won't, John might, but they

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probably won't hook the water systems up, but they're going to connect everybody to do it.

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They're going to get Amazon and Google and, and Tesla to, to power everything and, and get stuff

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there via Prime Air or whatever it is. And they're going to connect people with boots on the

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ground to actually get the work done. And so, and so that's, that's John and I are friends and Joanne

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and I go, go way back, but that's how I got connected with the freshwater stuff. And so,

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I got connected with the freshwater stuff as well. Cause I got curious a couple of years back and

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became a certified EMT for no reason. Like I did the wilderness survival EMT course, three weeks

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EMT course. And so they said, Hey, you probably would be good to, to be ready to be deployed.

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So it's just, it's kind of one of those things I was curious about and then got, got

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stuck with it. I love what they're doing, especially because they're, they're, they're able to respond

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quickly and that's very important. So kind of in the, people are like, well, what do you need when

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it, when it comes to water and do you need relief or development? Well, the answer's both. You need

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both. You need relief is a quick response in a crisis, which if a tsunami hits or if there's an

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earthquake or there's natural disaster, what I love about what John does is they're able to,

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like you said, to, to deploy quickly and provide that relief. That's wonderful. And I've actually

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spoken with him about leading open the opportunity of us passing the torch after they've done some

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relief into doing some development. And then of course we do the development through a local

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church and there's a lot of practical reasons for that. Perfect. Yep. People after you've done relief,

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things only survive in the long-term if they're run by locals. And I understand locals and localism

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because I've served my whole life and there are many cultural similarities between kind of the

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localism and the territorialism that exists in surfing and how it helps you when you're doing

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development work in third world countries. Yeah. When you're doing long-term, just some of that,

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some of those nuances there of, of, of, of respect and work in, uh, working through locals, locals

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only, that's like a surf joke, but that's actually, yeah, might be some of the best advice you could

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ever get when you're doing work outside of the U S it's locals only. Yeah. Hey, side surfing question.

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Have you ever been surfing in Puerto Rico and recall? I have not, but I've, I'm in dialogue with

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a, with a few, probably five people about, about doing something there and the right timing. Yeah.

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Um, I was down there, uh, around Christmas time, we were touring around the whole island and, uh,

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everything's very touristy, obviously in, in parts of Puerto Rico, but you get out to Rico and,

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which is on the Western coast, which is, I mean, it's like server's paradise out there.

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And that, that's the whole thing. It's locals only. And I mean, it was great, but, uh,

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just as you said that thought, man, that's, I mean, you were, you were so right when the,

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you go to the surfing subculture, uh, it's, it's a whole nother world. That, just that little

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understanding, you know, I, what, what, what was a long time joke as a, as a kid growing up has

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actually helped me as I've developed ocean water, because as you, as you, that little,

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that little understanding of, of surfing, I've served for, uh, 34 years now and haven't just

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having that understanding is very helpful. You know, in fact, I remember I served, uh, I went

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to Hawaii one time and I was in Maui and there's a spot there called Honolulu Bay waves are very

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good, really good. And there were six, there were six Hawaiians out surfing and I paddled out and I

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said, I'm Ryan, I'm from California. I'm going to be here for eight days. Is it okay if I surf here

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today? And, uh, they said, absolutely. And then they, they ended up giving me a lot of, a lot of

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great waves. Yeah. I was prepared to paddle back in. Yeah. Cause what you're doing is you're

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respecting the locals, respecting the culture, not stepping on, on toes that you don't know about,

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even if they were going to be polite about it, you don't want to assume. I want to turn around

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and go somewhere else. But, uh, it turns out that, uh, the same type of respect that you decide you're

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going to show people it's, it's amazing what can happen when you put respect ahead of results.

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And a lot of people don't do that. A lot of people want their results and they leave respect as a

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secondary. You can't do that. If you show people respect, eventually you'll have results, but if

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you aim for results, you'll eventually won't have those cause you don't have anyone's, you don't

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have anyone's respect. So there's a little, it's a little nuance. In fact, a lot of, uh, you may

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wonder why I, why I showed this, this photo, this isn't just a cute screensaver. I mean, it is a

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nice photo. A fr, first of all, a friend of mine took this photo and then the guy who's, uh, who's

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a very good surfer. This is some pop-up. He leads ocean water in El Salvador. So the very good surfer.

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This is also a personal photo because this, this, uh, way that he's riding is about 75 yards in

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front of where the water system is. So that's a, it's a very personal, very, it's also a nice

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photo, but it's always nice to get a little, get a little context there. And, and, um, this has been a

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wonderful conversation, man. I had no idea that we were gonna, we were going to talk about, uh, John

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and Joanne and that's beautiful. They're wonderful people that I love how we're just all working out

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on a lot of the same stuff and trying to help each other. Yeah, that's it. That's what it's all about.

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Exactly. I mean, when you're, there are, there are 108, there are 108 countries in the world that have

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direct access to, to ocean water. And when you, and when you're talking about, um,

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that, that type of problem, you just need, you need everyone who understands as possible and,

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and everyone, you know, helping. And so thank you for that, man. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So, uh,

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what, what are, what are, what are the last words you want to give us today? Do what, what do we

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need to hear from Tim before we, uh, before we call it a day? Um, I would say,

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find your purpose and, um, and change everything that you can to, to, uh, prop that up. And if you

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don't know what your purpose is, hang around guys like Ryan and, uh, and you'll either, either serve,

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serve his and figure yours out, or you'll very quickly figure, figure out that you're supposed

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to be a part of it as well. But I tell people, if you don't know what it is, just start playing

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and messing around with people that do know what theirs is. And, you know, some of that's going to

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rub off on you. And, uh, and so I would just encourage people that are watching this, uh, to

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connect deeper, uh, and Ryan didn't ask me to say this, but I'm just saying I would, I would

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encourage you to connect deeper, uh, with ocean water, with, with Ryan and, um, and figure a lot

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of those things out and you're going to do a lot of good along the way.

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Oh, thanks Tim. Well, I've enjoyed getting to know you and thanks for how you've helped me

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so far in developing processes and systems that are really helpful. I spend a lot of my time when

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I'm at home working on that stuff to make life easier for people when they get interested in

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what we're doing. I mean, thank you, you and Ed Love actually, that was very, very helpful. And

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I look forward to doing this again sometime, man. Thank you so much. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you. I

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appreciate it. Yeah. Have a great day, Tim. Thanks so much. All right.